manga-theories

[dense coral]

hito hito no mi model daibutsu

[red nacelle]

Nothing has been explained yet.

[pure raven]

Sengoku's is a buddha model

[dense coral]

chopper's only a hito hito no mi plain

[red nacelle]

Yes but do you know which form it is? Is it awakened?

[pure raven]

Lol we need to know his model

[red nacelle]

There is no plain. All zoans have models

[lime cape]

And Blackbeard are three people in one maybe another Zoan that let him divide his body

[dense coral]

idk it aint told yet if it's awakened but surely modified via drugs. his rumble balls

[red nacelle]

And sengoku isnt a Buddha fruit. Its the statue of Buddha fruit

[pure raven]

I've been in here for 5 hours now, I gtg bye. Lol

[red nacelle]

Me too

[dense coral]

probly there indeed is model but it aint shown yet hahha lets call Oda 🤣

[red nacelle]

See you guys later

[lime cape]

Hito hito no mi: hito model

[dense coral]

probly this. as mentioned earlier model homo sapiens 😆

[pure raven]

wait you can send photo here?

It is very strong that this is a member of blackbeard. Given that blackbeard was very cunning to kill Whitebeard when he was injured, would WCI be destroyed by blackbeard?

[agile tangle]

I mean in 1044 nothing happened tho

[lime stirrup]

I dont think thats bb

[trim flicker]

Cerberus is the most likely theory

[lime cape]

I defend the theory that BB is a Vegapunk project

[kind lark]

hey did you guys saw the new volume chapter, it shows sanji using blue fire like marco

[lime cape]

Some kind of Frankenstein project that went wrong and escaped

That would be an android, he might need some biological weapon genetically modified organism

I could make a parallel with the most popular shonen but I think it would be censured here

Like one modified organism, made up by the cells of multiple strong warriors...

I have seen at least two different personalities

The one that laugh at people who said the dream era is over and the evil one

[vapid raft]

Yeaaaa making sense

[floral elm]

How did sanji get a blue flame?

[tired osprey]

Garp will be unalived by d gorosei, this I have seen

[pure raven]

how does nami have a waist line that small. Don't question it

[desert notch]

we don't really know. a popular theory states that he might be a lunarian

[pure raven]

the easier answer is the flame got hotter since blue fire is hotter than regular red fire.

[floral elm]

I havent noticed let me check

[pure raven]

Huh. What spoiler?

I saw that message before it got deleted

[meager scarab]

Bro, this shit will be like Thriller bark. I think Luffy will use the big Sword to attack kaido

[meager scarab]

Yeah, I deleted it but there's some spoilers

[pure raven]

No way, he can't just retrieve that sword like thor

But I don't think oda would make luffy's hands dirty so ig he'll get killed by someone else rather

[meager scarab]

Well they arent confirm

[pure raven]

Oof

Care to show me in dm?

[meager scarab]

But maybe that skull with the sword is like foreshadowing the end of Kaido

[zinc gale]

nah bb prolly has 2 other twin brothers that he sucked in himself with the help of his df

[plush gulch]

spoiler 1045 out ?

[pure raven]

tuesday or wednesday

[storm igloo]

Luffy grabs the sword in the skull and slashes KAIDO ?

[plush gulch]

unconfirmed i guess

[pure raven]

Not confirmed yet

[storm igloo]

Could happen tho his arm can be huge

[pure raven]

He can turn into a giant too

[plush gulch]

does that only happen to his arm ? or whole body

[storm igloo]

I think his whole body can grow

[pure raven]

Whole body as we saw in the manga

[lavish snow]

What if luffys final form is a giant

[calm scarab]

luffys final form is gear 5 no?

[weak plaza]

Theory of Chopper's awakening might be the forest
In princess mononoke the forest god is same as chopper and he transforms too

Theory by fan
Credit: (ramy.magdy.587)

[quaint laurel]

what it do y’all boys

[desert notch]

good idea

[quaint laurel]

luffy finna snap on kaido ahhhhh he gonna make him look like a garden snake

[modest skiff]

I think Chopper ate a mythical hito and it happens to be this god thing. Good find. I haven’t been able to find a good god thing for chopper to be, but I have believed he is some kind of shape shifter. Chopper has never shown a human form. My original theory was chopper was some kind of werewolf shape shifter kind of thing. Your explanation is good and I think this is accurate.

@quaint laurel !theories

!theories

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using #manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description.

[modest skiff]

Comments like yours are totally welcome and appropriate in #manga but we like to keep this channel serious

[quaint laurel]

i like that theory of chopper though

[lyric berry]

Personally I hope Oda doesn’t go crazy and retcon everybody’s fruits. Although having chopper be a yeti would make sense on why his full human is still furry

[modest skiff]

Yeah I don’t think it would be retcon for chopper. He’s never been a human. His is obviously not a baseline human

[desert notch]

it will probably be an ancient zone type

[primal pivot]

don't forget he was a reindeer before eating the fruit so it's not the same as Luffy

[blissful star]

I feel like retconing the gomu is already more than enough, doing it twice would be a stretch (lol)

Chopper's fruit suddenly being a mythical/ancient fruit like model Yeti is too far fatched to be a thing

[eternal kayak]

/*joy boy have the rubber fruit right ?

[modest skiff]

I don’t think it makes sense to call either one a retcon. There is nothing previously which contradicts Luffy’s fruit being the Nika the whole time. We are specifically told it’s just a rubber fruit prior to awakening. We don’t know how hito zoans work but it appears to be unique. Sengoku’s transformation functions similar to Luffy

[silver sphinx]

It wasn’t retconned, he planned luffy being joyboy since pre ts

[pure raven]

literal genius

[formal marsh]

Was luffy's G4 redirection of punches actually him "touching" in his ability to influence the surrounding air and bouncing off his punches ?

[modest skiff]

I view it as simple as stretching a second, third, fourth time etc

Imagine you stretch something left to right. That portion on the right, you can stretch that up. I never understood what made that seem impossible

[tulip hedge]

My view on it was always that he simply redirected it with hardening haki on each point

[blissful star]

i used the word retcon as in the world of OP. Of course Oda planned this out lol. The only fruit that's been purposefully named wrong was the gomu/nika. So why would Chopper's hito hito change

[formal marsh]

this seems more likely. The problem with just stretching is that requires some force to be applied in the direction is stretched.

[modest skiff]

We’ve never really had any confirmation as to what fruit chopper ate

[raw hawk]

👀

What could it be if not just human human devil fruit

[modest skiff]

Hito model: (blank)

[modest skiff]

I think L had a good idea here

[blissful star]

Now that's just nitpicking... You could say the same about any other DF user whom we haven't seen explicitely eat the fruit. Everyone around him acknowledge him as having eaten the base hito hito, not the Yeti model or whatever, so there's no point in suddenly upgrading his df this way imo

[modest skiff]

But Chopper has never been a human. Every other zoan turns fully into their supposed form.

[raw hawk]

Rest of them would research the df they ate or recognises the ability and chopper’s df is sill confusing for me.

[raw hawk]

Yes like how kaido can turn into full grown dragon and chopper can’t turn human.

[blissful star]

also i like things being simple. Originally the mugis had goofy DF powers compared to the madlads around (luffy being rubber, chopper simply being human and brook being undead). I'm perfectly okay with luffy having the most busted DF from the beginning (since his use of it throughout the manga has always been goofy), but Chopper suddenly having a mythical/ancient while they're supposedly among the rarest/strongest fruits around is a no for me

Honestly, him keeping the fur in human form might be design issues lmao, i can't imagine how cursed furless Chopper would look like (imma google it up just for the sake of my curiosity)

[modest skiff]

I understand where you’re coming from, but Chopper being the only zoan we haven’t seen turn fully into their supposed form, in my eyes, makes it permissible for it to turn out it was something else the whole time. I don’t see why Chopper couldn’t just look like some normal human.

[raw hawk]

But an explanation would be nice of his df and it’s flaws or abilities

And I bet he would look like a kind kid if he transforms fully

[modest skiff]

One other thing worth mentioning is that BB attacked drum island prior to straw hats arriving

Perhaps they were after the fruit

[blissful star]

I also agree with yall on this, don't get me wrong! It's true that him being the odd one amongst the Zoan might lead up to some wacky revelation about his DF origin.
But I'm really hoping it doesn't end up being yet another mythical fruit. I like to think he has yet to master the human form and still keeps beastly features because of his trauma/lack of control. Which could sound illogical given his mastery of rumble balls but still~

[raw hawk]

Interesting..

[raw hawk]

I think oda is done with mythical dfs cause it is mentioned to rarer than logia.

And why is water type logia not introduced yet?

[pure raven]

technically kuzan

[raw hawk]

It like your saying akainu and ace has the same df.

[blissful star]

fire != magma though, meanwhile ice = water

[modest skiff]

There is also snow. They are not the same. Kuzan can’t melt the ice

[pure raven]

OK BIG THEORIE

[blissful star]

My boy Kuzan can't go above 0°... If there's ever going to be a water logia (as absurd as it might be) it'd naturally be Im's power

[pure raven]

If Blackbeard touches luffy and nullifys joy boy then luffy is just luffy

[pure raven]

technically speaking; magma is just super heated earth.

Fire isn't an actual state of matter so they are different.

Kuzan's ice fruit is just the frozen state of water in the same way the Harpy lady from punk hazard had snow which is a less harsh aspect of freezing

So different technically. And tehse technicalities matter because Oven has the heat fruit which he can set on fire but not become fire himself.

[modest skiff]

Fire is plasma, it is a form of matter

[pure raven]

ehhhh semantics but sure.

[modest skiff]

Mera could perhaps be said to be more similar to Gastino power rather than Akainu’s fruit

[raw hawk]

Yeah but kuzan can’t control or manipulate water

[modest skiff]

He can freeze water, as he did in MF

[pure raven]

and freeze water in the air to form his ice spears or whatever else.

[modest skiff]

That is also how he rides his bike on the ocean, by freezing water

[pure raven]

so technically he can control/manipulate water but only in the singular direction aka freeze

[raw hawk]

Freeze yes but can he split oceans and stuff with his df 🤷

[ruby hemlock]

Question! Are all monkey d's descendants of joy boy?

[pure raven]

unknown and loaded question.

[raw hawk]

Still in theory.

[ruby hemlock]

Most of them likes to laugh.

[blissful star]

Perhaps you meant all D's, not only Luffy's family ?

[modest skiff]

Unfortunately this question is impossible to answer without pure head canon. We have zero info

[ruby hemlock]

Yeah. I forgot. Haha

[pure raven]

I find most people like to laugh and have fun.

[ruby hemlock]

My question should be about the Ds

Im also remind of the phrase. The will of the D

Did that came from JB?

[pure raven]

You're now asking a question about literary analysis over this huge overly large encompassing story and we quite literally do not have the time. The last time I gave a lecture about one piece, I was in a voice call for like 8-9 hours.

[modest skiff]

The only mention we’ve ever had of that is Kureha mentioning it in Drum Island. Haven’t even heard the phrase since then

[ember summit]

So luffy got the stamina to return to battle because of the awakened zone fruit

Kaido still has his awakened zoan tho

[blissful star]

the closest we got was from WB's dying speech. Ace & Roger's wills could be considered D's will if you ask

[weak plaza]

There is this mythical creature where it former body is a deer 🦌
Qilin or Kirin that is called in Japan
Also a myth of mountain and forest spirit/god in a deer form but different from normal deer is very popular in various country. And Japan

[pure raven]

from shang chi

[weak plaza]

Yep, that’s what I’m talking Qilin/Kirin

[blissful star]

It's only half deer though. And most depictions of it do not give off deer vibes at all

[weak plaza]

It’s actually a deer, but get blessed by a god or something and become that way

It also had various form, not just this one look of form

[raw hawk]

Whoa a good one but still think oda won’t include more mythical df , and wasn’t this the df that some speculated for yamato

[weak plaza]

Idk, cause since chopper is a deer himself.

[normal yarrow]

Guys, what the most accepted opinion? Did you guys think oda planned it? Not to a detail but the bases of it? I mean in chapter 100

[pure raven]

Foreshadow?

[normal yarrow]

It’s just that it just fits, and he said he knew how he would ended

[blissful star]

it's not. Qilin (麒麟) is a mythical creature from the chinese mythology, there's no blessing or anything involved lol. Qilins are symbols of peace and harmony and have traits of deer, dragon, horse, wolf and ox among other things.

[pure raven]

Oda has stated he's known how one piece would end since the very beginning

[weak plaza]

Yeah, but it’s former body is a deer. I remember watching somewhere before, it’s foggy, I can’t remember well.
It got fused with dragon blood given to them and become that being like an upgrade

[normal yarrow]

Yeah that’s why I mean k the sense could it being a little hint for it? Since Roger words fit more than ever, and Dragon seems to be ok I the way Luffy is seeking freedom

[raw hawk]

relating to peace and harmony seems just like chopper.

[weak plaza]

Yeah, his personality and the fact his fruit is known as a mythical one

[amber oar]

Freedom and willpower has always been a core theme in OP, regardless of what Oda planned for Luffy's powers in particular

[normal yarrow]

Oh i was wondering since the fruit and now Luffy is the embodiment of freedom

[blissful star]

I know chinese mythology very well, there's no mention of that. You might have seen this story from some sci-fi movie which took some artistic liberties lol
Qilins don't become legendary animals, they already are. And they only share traits with dragons because both are mythical (but not the same species whatsoever) 🙂

[normal yarrow]

It’s almost like Dragon did know, or was he there just by chance?

[raw hawk]

His df is known as mythical? Since when?

[weak plaza]

If you had watch Chinese drama etc.
You would know there are god and deity turn from an animal into mythical animal and into a god form or deity, which is in human form but still had some trait of previous former body left on them. Example horns or completely turn into a human form like ascended to Godhood.

[gentle lily]

Well another Usopp lie has come true. In 184 he says that Devil Fruits dont have a will or something

[formal bridge]

But they do right

[gentle lily]

Basically I meant its the opposite (a thing he thinks is true that is a lie)

[raw hawk]

The google shows they are mythical chimeras…

[formal bridge]

Like he lied about giant fish but it existed

[blissful star]

I don't see how that's relevant ? You've just straight up admitted your only sources are dramas and pop culture, not historically accurate depictions... I'm only telling you that real mythology isn't what you think it is, and i could link you some neat books to read to improve your culture if you'd like 🙂

[small creek]

If aokiji wasnt in mf everyone would be ded from water

[gentle lily]

Thats not the point. Basically he knows thats a lie but its true, and some things he thinks are true are lies

[formal bridge]

Can you tell me another example of that

[small creek]

Theory on bb that he has more than one soul thats why he could eat 2 fruits and luffy and zoro mentioned that bb is not he but they

[gentle lily]

oh not off the top of my head. Its just a thought

[formal bridge]

They could also mean someone else was also hiding there

[raw hawk]

There is a theory that he has 3 separate souls

[formal bridge]

Maybe his second soul is that of xebec

[blissful star]

yep, chimeras. But the point is, deer isn't the most prominent feature of it - https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/58/Qilin.svg/1280px-Qilin.svg.png - this is an historical depiction of a Qilin lol

[small creek]

Yes his emotions

In some eps we seen he has different personalities *

[formal bridge]

Chopper is a reindeer

[small creek]

And with his dark frut he could hide them in him ez

[formal bridge]

But he was called weird before he got yami yami no mi

[raw hawk]

I don’t see the fact chopper being a reindeer a problem, only appearance wise he could look like this.

[small creek]

Thats how i think he got wbs fruit that he got one of clones to eat the fruit and replaced arm of clone with his real arm

[small creek]

Ik

[formal bridge]

Are you saying he has gura gura power in one arm only that's something different. I kinda like it.

[blissful star]

i don't get your post fam, could you rephrase it please

[small creek]

Yep i saw he can take things in hole with his df so i guess he done that and placed the rest of clone in him and on his other hand he has power of his official df

[blissful star]

This always bugged me. Like how tf did Marco and co know about his weird metabolism beforehand ?

[formal bridge]

Shanks and buggy too

[weak plaza]

Don’t be a judge and determined over other just over conversations when you know nothing about them.
It’s disgusting

[raw hawk]

Well… what I meant is that, how is chopper being a reindeer would affect his df. And the appearance of the qilin could go well with chopper

[small creek]

Cause he didnt sleep ever

[pure raven]

Smh

[runic flax]

Is that real

[formal bridge]

No

[tribal roost]

nah

[rigid compass]

I dont know haha

[runic flax]

I bet luffy will make kaido laugh eventually

[formal bridge]

It's Monday no spoilers yet

[tribal roost]

[rigid compass]

I have that sound in my ear with the road runner😂😂

[small creek]

Also we seen how he has different personalities

[small creek]

When his first appearance, impel down etc…

[formal bridge]

What different personalities

[small creek]

First personality was in mock town
He shares several attributes with Luffy, including having a voracious appetite, carefree attitude, competitive and reckless nature, persevering no matter what happens, and huge ambitions to follow his dream.

[modest skiff]

Everyone, strictly never post any spoiler in any channel other than the spoiler channel. Whether fake or otherwise

[barren steppe]

a cp0 or luffy's mom have the gomu gomu

[small creek]

2. Was we saw how evil and power hungry bb is

3. Was which makes Blackbeard fear death and act cowardly

[formal bridge]

Real gomu gomu

[formal bridge]

Yeah if he is a D he shouldn't fear death

[small creek]

We saw diff personalities

Thats why i think he has more than one soul

[formal bridge]

But i don't think 2nd one can be different

[small creek]

Wdym we saw 2nd one in impel down when he fighted luffy and ace

That he is evil and mf

[formal bridge]

We saw it doesn't mean it's different from 1st one

[blissful star]

although i really like the theory of teach having multiple souls i'd say we clearly lack arguments atm lol

[formal bridge]

Yeah

[small creek]

I guess it is we never saw him talk about his dreams anymore

[weak plaza]

Isn’t Luffy known can hear the voice of all thing ?
Is he able to hear the conversation blackbeard chat within themselves?
If it prove to be so later on, then Zoro might be able to hear it too

[blissful star]

him being evil and sharing traits with luffy doesn't cut it imo

[formal bridge]

Zoro can't hear voice of all things rn

[rapid oxide]

Do y all think usopp's lie abt conquerors haki will come true?

[formal bridge]

Which one

[late token]

i think they are just talkin about his crew. A chapter before we see doc q handing out apples and when they approach the island we see van auger shooting a seagull

[weak plaza]

Yeah, but just like I said if it prove that Blackbeard really is chat within himself later on and Luffy able to hear it. Then at those time Luffy able to hear it too.

Or oda cut some part of that chapter where black disorder personality scene talk to himself

[raw hawk]

Even in Wano he said a lie about it.

[formal bridge]

What lie

[small creek]

Might be for luffy but idk about zoro

[rapid oxide]

He said "I have conquerors haki that can knock out 50000 men"

[small creek]

But i dont think bb chats with himself he just uses the clones when he needs them and puts them inside him

[formal bridge]

Maybe in elbaf

[small creek]

Dont think usopp will get conquerors haki

[rapid oxide]

Why not?

[raw hawk]

Yes, about having conq haki to some beast pirates.

[small creek]

We never saw his observation after dressrosa and he dont have arnament also

[rapid oxide]

He is going to become a brave warrior of the sea

[weak plaza]

idk, but I think I remember whitebeard crew scene part where some of them also said blackbeard is they

[formal bridge]

Conqueror haki is rare though

[late token]

nah i dont remember that. Do you mean the part where marco says that is body is special?

[small creek]

And atleast from start we would have seen him use it atleast once or the sparks from conq haki

[formal bridge]

Already zoro also has it

[weak plaza]

Yeah, I think maybe that

[lucid grail]

is that real?

[small creek]

Maybe he will get arnament

[formal bridge]

Do you think he will ever change his weapon

[small creek]

Maybe to flintlock or musket like his father maybe not

[raw hawk]

Usopp has great ambitions, so he could awaken Conq haki

[formal bridge]

It's been so long he didn't change his weapon

[late token]

this one?

[small creek]

Yep

Idk if usopp will get conq there is too much kings as kaido stated to luffy “we dont need that many kings”

[formal bridge]

Wish marco explained more

[weak plaza]

Yeah. And the fact he never sleep, include relate to snow country where people never sleep, if they sleep they could die

[formal bridge]

Drum island?

[weak plaza]

Yea

[small creek]

I think he has souls(clones) in him that he took out and let one of clones eat fruit and arm where is gure he replaced from clone to his and placed clones back to him

[raw hawk]

Or the island where robin was sent by kuma.

[formal bridge]

Or where franky was sent

[late token]

could be ^^ but i hope oda comes up with something different

[small creek]

Thats the only possibility we have i dont think so there’s anything other

Otherwise he would been dead if he ate two fruits

[weak plaza]

Nah, it’s definitely drum island. There is a scene Luffy talk with Sanji while running in the snow

[late token]

maybe its just part of his yami yami no mi. would like that more

[weak plaza]

Scene theory here || https://youtu.be/QLle2jnZVmU||

[late token]

he describes it as a power that can "devour" anything. So why not a second or third DF

[small creek]

I dont think so as we have seen blackbeard has different personalities in episodes and the fact he never sleeps

[formal bridge]

If he can devour without limit isn't that too op

[late token]

i havent seen different personalities. I mean everyone in One piece has shown different personality traits. Doesn't mean they have multiple personalities

[late token]

yup

[formal bridge]

I wanted a Bipolar luffy for gear 5

[small creek]

Yes but he cant change that much in quick time

[formal bridge]

Like how kaido changes his mood

[late token]

i mean sanji changes his personality within seconds depending on who he talks too

[small creek]

And the thing he dont sleep i think other soul is sleeping in him and when its time he just rotates with him thats why his personalities change

[late token]

this could all be true but i just don't think that oda will go this way ^^ bc it opens up so many possibilities. I think it will either be his DF power or he figured out some kind of trick that others havent figured out yet

[raw hawk]

Um.. isn’t that’s supposed to a funny gag.

[formal bridge]

@small creek btw i think government is lying that people can't eat more than one df nobody has tried eating multiple df in manga

[late token]

i mean he is also able to collect other powers and give them to his crew members. How does that tie in with the different personalities?

[late token]

maybe its just a funny gag with BB too

[small creek]

Also we seen that bb is feeling much more pain than normal person but it dont hurt him much cuz his stats and endurance what i wanna say he feel pain of all his souls in him

[formal bridge]

He is doing what mingo did and killing original owner

[small creek]

Its all connected

[raw hawk]

Nah it won’t be cause we know too little of black beard and his motives

[weak plaza]

It’s not we know too little.
It’s oda show us too little, almost nothing about him.

[formal bridge]

Kaido changes his personality why can't luffy too

[late token]

that has also already been explained

[small creek]

Also we have seen in some eps that bb outfit changes

[small creek]

The souls some like wear more rings some not

[raw hawk]

Yes, that is what I meant 😂

[late token]

eps or manga? i wouldnt use ep for theories bc toei sometimes ads stuff in

[small creek]

Ofc his souls absorb the pain he has the stats of all his souls so it dont hurt him but he feels pain

[late token]

it literally says its his DF powers

[meager jasper]

I assume the Yami Yami no mi's going to turn out to be something else entirely as well. It has clear discrepancies with other logia fruits.

[lime mason]

what about that kraken zoan theory? octopus have 3 hearts

[formal bridge]

Is it zoan Cerberus as expected?

[small creek]

Also his pirate logo has three skulls

[late token]

probably some other hito hito no mi model. Probably just the counterpart to luffys fruit

[formal bridge]

Cerberus is dark type too

[raw hawk]

Marco says his body is different from others, his Jolly Roger has three skulls , Zoro and Luffy mentions BB is not ‘him’ but ‘they’ and Buggy says he hasn’t slept during the 3 days of battle. All of this lead to the 3 soul theory.

[floral elm]

What if someone just cannibalize a devil fruìt user just like big mum does he/she get the power?

[meager jasper]

There are a few theories surrounding BB. You have the 'schizophrenia' theory, the multiple souls theory, presumably his brothers' souls in that theory, The Mythical Zoan fruit 'Cerberus' theory

[late token]

but why would 3 souls make his body different? souls have nothing to do with the body, do they? ... everything else i totally agree

[meager jasper]

Cerberus has some merit, but I don't know. Might as well be another diety unique to One Piece, like Nika.

[formal bridge]

Wg said nobody can have 2 dfpowers anyway the injest it

[floral elm]

The black beard theory might be fake cuz oda lied to us about luffy not being zoan type

[raw hawk]

His body can hold three soul unlike normal humans.

[meager jasper]

Cerberus has merit also, because the scar Shanks got from BB resembles a claw

[late token]

but what property of a body stands in correlation to that? did we learn in one piece that the soul is stored in the heart or smth?

[formal bridge]

Cerberus has three heads like his pirate flag

[burnt sinew]

Why no 1045 chapter spoiler discussion thread?

[small creek]

And we saw bb took aces df power

[wind steppe]

Luffy awakened his DF with 1/1000 stamina, it's like drinking Red Bull 15 mins before final exams, after returning from a crazy party

[desert notch]

when did he lie? in an interview or something?

[small creek]

Yep

[raw patrol]

mother caramel awakened her fruit right before she died and took over big mom is my theory on this

[floral elm]

How does people even awaken theyre fruit?

[meager jasper]

@raw hawk There's no question about BB being inhabited by three souls or beings in my eyes. How he came to be that way is the unknown.

[raw patrol]

near death state seem slike

[small creek]

But why does big mom cry for her mother then

[late token]

we dont know yet. My guess is training or a near death experience

[raw hawk]

No, not a property of the body stands out but the body itself is weird accord to Marco and possibly because it houses three souls.

[meager jasper]

By the way, fun fact, look at any BB picture, he always carries three different pistols at the same time.

[raw patrol]

she doesn't know it happened and it's only affecting her personality so not overly apparent but it makes sense why the picture breaking hurts her

[floral elm]

Past = white beard fruit present = blackbeard future = idk

[small creek]

None body can have 3 souls

[raw hawk]

Yeah. Another mystery along with many 😅

[late token]

but then his souls or aura would be weird and not his body. But marco is a doctor and specifically talks about his body

[raw patrol]

cp9 said zoans require a lot of training to fully use their power

I also believe Luffy fought an awakened enel but he of course had no clue cause it didn't work on him

[small creek]

Ppl cant sense souls so they assume his body is weird which is they are in his body so

[late token]

isn't observation haki described as sensing ones soul/aura?

[raw hawk]

Well… idk what to say about that cause we only have a single dialogue from Marco about that

[floral elm]

Who knows he probably became a test subject for some kind of experiment of dr who created bot kuma

His family members got injected to him

Vegapunk experiment lab is in the snow so

[raw hawk]

But observation haki differs for various users. Like fujitora seeing Colors of people and other can’t.

[late token]

yeah me neither ... but if it were something with his souls, i believe everyone who has good observation haki would be able to tell that he has multiple souls. But so far no one with observation haki pointed anything out about that so i don't buy the Souls-Theory ^^

[small creek]

Yes but i think the three souls merged in one and that they can emerge from him

[raw patrol]

Luffy and Zoro plus marco

[late token]

yeah exactly and in BB case he would see multiple colours for 1 person

[raw hawk]

So what do you think about bb then?

[small creek]

This was stated that i think souls sleep in him and they just change so he dont need sleep

[raw hawk]

Oh yeah Ace also mentioned that teach enjoyed twice much of his life or smthing

[barren steppe]

what happen if luffy eat the rumble balls?

[late token]

Why can he steal DF powers? I guess bc of the yami yami no mi
Why can he have more than 1 DF? Probably bc his body is different.
Whats different about his body? I have no idea ^^

[raw hawk]

No one with that kinda haki has seen him I guess. Oh wait… maybe shanks has seen and warned WB because of this.

[small creek]

It would be very fitting for blackbeard to get his hands on the strongest Zoan-type Devil Fruit and declare himself the strongest of all time.

[late token]

That could be ... its just sad that the concept of haki wasn't fully introduced in marineford maybe we would have gotten more answers then ^^

[raw hawk]

Goes GOD mode 😂

[small creek]

But he can steal once and use once not forever

[late token]

i dont understand what you mean by that?

[raw hawk]

Yeah. And Usopp can figure this out cause he can see auras with obs haki 🙂

[small creek]

Its normal if he stole the power once and user dies he cant have the power then

[late token]

hopefully god ussop gives us answers 😄

[weak plaza]

Have you ever question about this ?
Why won’t Blackbeard become bald 👨‍🦲 when he never sleep ?
isn’t lack of sleep make one go bald. And Blackbeard didn’t go bald. is his brain separate like Dolphin where they switch sleep half of their brain while the other is awake and keep swimming ?

[errant thicket]

I think rumble balls will help luffy go into G5 , maybe he doesnt know how to trigger it without dying so he's gonna use rumble balls for the first few times after kaido

[late token]

Blackbeard = dolphin confirmed

he is actually half fishman thats also why his body is weird. He has a blowhole on his back where he can ingest another devil fruit

[small creek]

Black beard has multiple personalities or more than one soul in his body. Mild spoilers here. In the flashback when the roger pirates and the white beard pirates were hanging out, buggy told shanks that he noticed black beard never slept. Some think that the reason for this is that when one of his personalities is sleeping, the other one is awake. This would also explain why his personality switches between being impulsive and making dumb decisions and being a criminal mastermind who plans things years in advance.

[small creek]

That would explain change of his personalities

[errant thicket]

maybe he absorbed WB's soul/fruit

[small creek]

No

[weak plaza]

Yep, Blackbeard = Dolphin. Confirmed

[small creek]

It was mentioned even before when he was kid that he has strange body and that he never sleeps also change of his personalities

[small creek]

Maybe his clones are bald

[errant thicket]

yeah but i mean maybe he has the ability to have 3 souls inside of him , maybe he ditched one for WB's

[weak plaza]

He really is like a dolphin if his personality sleep switch like Dolphin sleep switch half of their brain and awake the other half

[small creek]

Idk i think yami yami has special ability that has like a move that stores something and that he stored his clones in there

[raw hawk]

Do you think usopp will eat a df?

[small creek]

We saw when he fighted ace that he absorbed whole village

[small creek]

I dont think so as he is sniperist idk why he would need fruit

[raw hawk]

Cause the fact it took luffy to improve his haki about 2 yrs and still improving. And usopp on the other hand has nothing done.

[weak plaza]

I found interesting theory image on Blackbeard

[small creek]

Yes?

[raw hawk]

@small creek And No matter how much he is a sharpshooter i think haki is gonna come in big in next arcs .

[rapid haven]

Kanjuro's maybe? Usopp is a decent artist and would surely help him make a variety of ammo

[small creek]

Thing i think usopp is get or new weapon or arnament haki

[small creek]

Maybe but idk

[raw hawk]

Observation is teased so…

[weak plaza]

The first image, click open to see it clearly

[small creek]

I dont think he has cerberus fruit lol

[raw hawk]

What if he is a test subject, like many other from the series, by the WG?

[weak plaza]

People said he had 3 devil fruit

[small creek]

Thats dumb theory for me ngl lol

I think this is how shanks got his scar

[alpine lichen]

So that would be why the "Twice" is bold?

[small creek]

We saw bb wear this @weak plaza

[small creek]

Wdym

[raw hawk]

Yeah on the roger/oden backstory too he wore this weapon

[weak plaza]

That’s 4 claw

[small creek]

Ues what with it

Yes*

[small creek]

On pic is 3 but pic is fan made so this probably how he got scar

[weak plaza]

The scar on shank is more of a claw instead of a knife

[small creek]

Yes no one say it was knife

[weak plaza]

As you see scar on Zoro eyes is more of a knife straight line

[small creek]

Yes

[weak plaza]

If shank scar is from weapon. Then it won’t leave that animal scratch scar

[small creek]

Every weapon can leave a scar if it was deep

[weak plaza]

No, that’s not what I mean

[small creek]

Like seen luffy

[weak plaza]

Animal scratch scar is on shank face.
It’s not a scar from weapon

[small creek]

I like bb personality where he talk in mock town

[twin plover]

i used to think the blackbeard/cerberus df theory was a bad one but after the gomu/nika reveal it wouldn't surprise me. i didn't think it made sense to reduce major character features to devil fruit abilities but looks like that's how some things work after all

[small creek]

Shanks got his scar from Blackbeard the time he was with the Roger Pirates or before he created his own crew. At the meeting (ep. 434) with Whitebeard, Shanks said they have been fighting since then, means that Shanks got his scar before he became the captain of Red Hair Pirates.

[dense ether]

Lynx weapon xd

[errant thicket]

can't be when he was still with Roger , at the end of the roger flashback we see him leave shanks and buggy and he doesnt have the scar yet

[dense ether]

I don`t think

[weak plaza]

I know, but still, what I want to say is the scar is not from weapon. (Not from those claw weapon of blackbeard)

[small creek]

Teach aka Blackbeard; the scar was absent on Shanks when he was part of Roger crew. When Shanks visited Luffy at Foosha Village he had scar. So he received the scar from Teach during the period between Roger's execution and the visit to the Foosha Village.
It is from weapon like luffy

[dense ether]

👍

[small creek]

It is from weapon like luffys scar

[weak plaza]

Analysis the scar here is an example

[small creek]

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMLHPVS18/

[errant thicket]

I get what you mean , the scar is not clean , it seems like bb ripped and not cut.

[dense ether]

I hate tiktok

[weak plaza]

Have you ever seen a scar in real life of scratch from weapon and from animal claw ? It’s two different sign to know which is from weapon sharp and straight. While claw of an animal leave an ugly mark

[small creek]

This gives me chills bb was never like that after

[modest dust]

When will the spoilers be out ?

[small creek]

Well if the weapon was damaged it would became like that

[weak plaza]

That’s nonsense -_-

[small creek]

How is it nonsense if bb used that claw non stop to fight overtime it would get damaged it cant always be in perfect shape

[weak plaza]

Man, sorry, but this sound like an excuse to me. No offense

[weak plaza]

Yea

[raw hawk]

Thursday probably

[small creek]

Excuse for what? Nothing is a excuse im just saying what im thinking

[raw hawk]

Given the latest chapter 👀

[small creek]

Neither you or me know how he got scar

[weak plaza]

Also God of Thunder, god of the sun,
God of the moon

[raw hawk]

We will be getting a lot of gods after Wano 😂

[weak plaza]

Japanese mythology also had these god.

[raw hawk]

But nika is a one piece Mytho figure

[weak plaza]

Yeah, but god of the sun.

[queen valley]

But wasn’t it said that blackbeard did that to shanks?

[raw hawk]

Yes it was, by shanks himself

[weak plaza]

It did not prove anything, it’s just a fact he really did.

[queen valley]

So it couldn’t be an animal if it was by Blackbeard?

[small creek]

Theory* Perospero is going to call for
Katakuri for support at Wano cuz bm dead but little
does he know it's too late,BB has
successfully invaded her territory and
has stolen the Poneglyph and
kidnapped Pudding, I believe at this
moment Katakuri will die and could
suffer the same fate as WB.

[raw hawk]

And not of japan’s mythology

[raw hawk]

Damn Dark theory 😂

[small creek]

?

[pure raven]

whose laugh is that?

[weak plaza]

But the scar itself is animal scar which is relate to theory of Blackbeard had 3 devil fruit and the other one is mythical animal fruit or normal zoan

[small creek]

Wdym laugh

[pure raven]

you posted that image of whole cake island being invaded.
Oda gives everyone a distinct laugh.
Whose laugh is that

[small creek]

Idk maybe someone from bb crew its a theory tho nothing confirmed

[raw hawk]

I meant, It is a very dark theory for one piece

[pure raven]

I also don't see Oda unceremoniously killing Katakuri like that

[brazen oasis]

il check wiki for laugh

[raw hawk]

The campion guy from BB’s crew

[small creek]

Idk its a theory i said

[pure raven]

Jesus Burgess?

[raw hawk]

Yeah I guess

[small creek]

Not yall putting 💀 for nothing 💀 its just a theory bruh?

[brazen oasis]

found his laugh on wiki Wiiiihahaha

[pure raven]

We ain't saying it's wrong; we're just checking viability of the theory cause that is smart, falls into blackbeard's characterization, and a bunch of other things.

[brazen oasis]

So yea jesus fits the bill in laughter

[weak plaza]

Watch this ||https://youtu.be/Oosm5ns4Kxk||
To me, this is relate to one piece storyline

[pure raven]

yeah i do. And then ceremonial kill him in a thriffling flashback (again)

[pure raven]

... I hope it's more than just Jesus honestly.

[raw hawk]

What about it?

[pure raven]

Cause like Jesus got his ass handed to him and I don't see him able to take down Oven really

[small creek]

https://youtu.be/JWfEmKz-OD4

[pure raven]

let alone someone like Katakuri

[small creek]

Here he’s laughing like wiihaha

[weak plaza]

It’s relate to one piece storyline. Although it did not say so, but if you watch it. You will find it sus

[silver sphinx]

I doubt it would be just jesus if bb invaded

[small creek]

I mean its on the pic and the same laugh in dressrosa soo

[brazen oasis]

i Wonder if the current cover story will transform (like the Cp9 cover story came from) into the infiltration story or if it will be covered in main one

[raw hawk]

I’m saying there maybe references to jap mythos but Nika (Sun God) is a God from the op lore itself, so it is possible to expect other gods to be of One piece lore itself.

[pure raven]

Maybe that's how Niji and Yonju escape?

[weak plaza]

Yeah I know, what I want to point out is oda pick up storyline idea from real mythology of Japanese god

[silver sphinx]

Bro Oda is literally making his own pantheon of gods in One Piece. The world building is gonna be off the charts when we learn about void century.

[small creek]

@weak plaza i know how shanks got his scar

[cyan berry]

@small creek please keep dumb jokes like that outside this channel

this channel is for serious posts only

[small creek]

I personally think shanks got his scar by bbs weapon

[raw hawk]

Ikr cause if a god of sun and liberation existed a god of opposites quality should also exist

[raw hawk]

Me too.

[silver sphinx]

You think Oda could’ve hinted at that god already?

[small creek]

After wano i think luffys bounty gonna surpass bbs

[silver sphinx]

It was already confirmed that BB gave Shanks his scar

[small creek]

They are close

When was Magellan vs BBs Pirates entrance so cold

Magellan almost killed them

[meager jasper]

What are you guys actually talking about? I've read back a bit but it's unclear to me.

[small creek]

Mostly blackbeard theories

[meager jasper]

Ah, alright. Let's discuss.

[small creek]

Alrighty

[silver sphinx]

What if Blackbeard is so durable and tanky because he actually has a mythical zoan fruit.

The darkness logia could be the antithesis for luffy’s Nika df

[meager jasper]

@silver sphinx Okay, let me lay out why I think you're right.

[small creek]

Dont think he has zoan i think that the souls in him have same stats and theyre combined thats why hes tanky

[meager jasper]

There's been the all-known foreshadowing of the different entities inhabiting BB, the discrepancies his yami yami no mi has from any other Logia fruit, the scar he gave Shanks resembles a claw mark hinting at a beast form.

[tender lynx]

Shanks is based of tyr

[small creek]

But they werent that strong back then

[meager jasper]

My conclusion would be a Cerberus inspired One Piece Diety with one of its powers being the control of darkness

[tender lynx]

He can already control darkness though

[small creek]

Imma stick w my theory about more than one sould

[silver sphinx]

I think the deity would be an original one Piece god like Nika

[small creek]

Its been mostly shown

[meager jasper]

@tender lynx I would wager the yami yami no mi not being the yami yami no mi at zll.

[tender lynx]

I didn’t think of that

[small creek]

Nothing else refers him having cerberus than shanks scar

[weak plaza]

The fact Cerberus imitating exist in previous battle episode in zombie island. The three heads dog

[tender lynx]

I was thinking gura gura is the earth god fruit

[silver sphinx]

There are three skulls on his flag

[meager jasper]

@small creek It doesn't have to be Cerberus, Cerberus just fits the 'Three souls' part

[raw hawk]

Maybe? Won’t know until he confirms it tho.

[small creek]

You dont know if it refers due to him having three souls or

[meager jasper]

@small creek But there is the fact that the scar is a claw mark.

[small creek]

Souls fits him more for me

[tender lynx]

You guys think one of the yonko gonna back up luffy in the final war? I personally think big mom would be the last one alive

[meager jasper]

There is the theory of his other souls belonging to his brothers.

[small creek]

Maybe shanks

[meager jasper]

I honestly don't feel Shanks will be alive by the end.

[small creek]

Ik

[tender lynx]

I strongly believe he will die cause e is based on tyr who died for ragnorok

[silver sphinx]

Well, we don’t know much about souls in one Piece. Where has the foreshadowing been that more than one can inhabit a body? Big mom prolly knows more about that than anyone

[meager jasper]

By the way, different theory because BB's been the subject for a bit.

[small creek]

We have seen some thing about bb tho that confirm/not he have more than one soul

[meager jasper]

Do you guys think Shanks knew the nika's identity all along

[tender lynx]

Yes

[meager jasper]

@tender lynx So do you think he came to the island to give the fruit to Ace, the son of the Pirate King and the fruit, having a mind of its own, chose Luffy in some way or another?

That's what I've been pondering.

[silver sphinx]

I honestly don’t know. I’m leaning towards that he didn’t until after he became a yonkou.

[tender lynx]

He made luffy eat that fruit he deffo had observation haki back then so he knew luffy would’ve eaten it and oda did know about haki back then as shanks used it on the sea king

[meager jasper]

I don't think he wanted Luffy to eat it.

His astonishment was obvious.

[tender lynx]

He could’ve faked it, I mean he’s on the level where he can talk to elder stars so he can probably trick a kid

[small creek]

I think shanks stole the fruit from wg and shanks stop on fusha village to celebrate and stay a little? that luffy accidentally ate it cuz he was hungry

If he wasnt hungry one piece wouldn’t even begin lol

[silver sphinx]

That’s a good theory...

[tender lynx]

But yeah it could’ve also been for ace that’s a good theory

[meager jasper]

But why exactly Fusha? Gol D. gave Shanks a mission before turning himself in. I think that mission was to locate the Joyboy fruit and give it to his son

[tender lynx]

For ace

[meager jasper]

Exactly.

[tender lynx]

But he did have observation haki though so that’s the only reason I don’t 100% believe that, he could’ve easily stopped luffy

[meager jasper]

Did he? Then why did he let a sea king bite his arm off?

[tender lynx]

“To wage on the next generation “

[meager jasper]

Was his observation haki even confirmed at that point?

[tender lynx]

He used conquers haki on the sea monster

[split glacier]

If Shanks didn't have Obs Haki at that time then he's truly garbage lol

[silver sphinx]

Since it was better for it to eat his arm than for it to eat the boy.

[small creek]

He probably went to Foosha village because it's small, quiet and out the way. He decides to use it as a base and stayed there between adventures on the open sea for about a year. The reason he stayed so long may have been because of Makino, but it's more likely he enjoyed the hero worship of Luffy and found his personality being so like Roger's facinsting.

[proven monolith]

i think even if Luffy didn't understand at the time, he felt drawn to the fruit..It chose him. Maybe through the VOAT. Why else would he eat a strange fruit from inside a strange box that tasted like crap

[meager jasper]

@small creek Too many accidentals for a writer like Oda. He'd never casually place Shanks there.

[tender lynx]

Cause he’s luffy

[small creek]

Or he wanted to give his straw hat to Garp so he could give it back to roger

[silver sphinx]

Wait. Tbf, how was Shanks gonna fight a Sea King in water. He doesn’t have a devil fruit or anything.

[small creek]

You never know

[tender lynx]

Anyone can beat a sea king in a fight

[proven monolith]

Plus Fusha village is on DAWN Island

[meager jasper]

@small creek You never know, I may be onto something.😂😉

[small creek]

He wanted to save luffy maybe and he got conqueror haki ability as he scared the sea king

[tender lynx]

OH wait, in shanks flashback when he met ace in a snowy cave he didn’t know who ace was

[small creek]

Yes?

[meager jasper]

@tender lynx He'd never seen him. Ace had left Fusha before Shanks arrived.

[silver sphinx]

Maybe on a ship. But in water? while protecting joyboy? Maybe it’s better to lose an arm than try to punch it while it eats the kid.

[meager jasper]

@tender lynx But Shanks couldn't have known that.

[tender lynx]

Your theory was that shanks thoight of giving me he fruit to ace, however he never even knew anything about ace when they were talking about luffy

[meager jasper]

Why would Shanks be holing up on an island with the most wanted fruit in the world. What was he holding onto it for? You would want to get that sold or used ASAP.

[tender lynx]

Yes so he purpouse fully let luffy eat it

[small creek]

Maybe rogers grave is on Fusha Village so Shanks wanted to pay respect to Roger’s grave, Shanks went there to return the Straw Hat to Roger’s grave

[proven monolith]

Shanks knew the fruit had to be took to DAWN Island

[meager jasper]

Don't believe that. They were absolutely not happy about it'

[meager jasper]

While on the run from the WG, carrying the world's most precious item.

[tender lynx]

Shanks isn’t no normal man I deffo don’t think he would “accidentally” leta. Kid eat the most important fruit in the world

[small creek]

Well its not confirmed he stole the fruit from wg maybe he didnt even know it was mythical

[tender lynx]

No it is confirmed by who’s who

[proven monolith]

yes its very confirmed

[small creek]

He saw potential in luffy myb what was confirmed

[meager jasper]

It was confirmed though.

[tender lynx]

And that’s why I believe he let luffy eat it, unless he didn’t have observation haki back then which I doubt because he was said to@clash with mihawk before that

[small creek]

Yeah

[pure raven]

nice dp

[small creek]

Well as fusha village being small and there are many islands they couldn’t find him that quickly

[tender lynx]

And if the theory about shanks being an evil traitor is true then he probably let the monster eat his arm so he can trick luffy but I don’t agree with that theory

[small creek]

Dp?

[pure raven]

Display pic, meaning pfp

[zealous brook]

This looks legit af

[small creek]

I dont like this theory but if its true then idk

[meager jasper]

So yeah, so far my theory.

[silver sphinx]

Eel slash is a terrible name

[meager jasper]

Luffy using a sword would be a terrible thing in and of itself.

[tender lynx]

Bruh how you send images

[zealous brook]

Shanks is not gonna be a villain that will be shitty

[small creek]

Imagine lufffy cooks kaido and eats him 💀

[pure raven]

Luffy be using the sword like he did with the sword Zoro was interested in at the beginning of Wano.

[silver sphinx]

Anyways, if the D means Den (like the den den mushi) then Roger’s full name would be Gol Den Roger.

[meager jasper]

I still think Shanks told the gov. about BB

[small creek]

Bruhh what

[meager jasper]

But what do I know, could as well be Luffy.

[tender lynx]

Do you guys think kong will be relevant later on, the commander in chief for the world government (highest rank a human could possibly get)

[pure raven]

ofc

[meager jasper]

The going theory for the D. is that it stands for Dawn, as in Romance Dawn, The bringers of the Dawn.

[pure raven]

been working and leading the admirals and everyone underneath

[zealous brook]

My guess is that shanks has seen future somehow it he is just to great planner. He set up wg so that they will make Luffy awaken his df or something like that

[tender lynx]

I started looking into him and there’s some theory’s about him@being garps Brother or a monkey D

[meager jasper]

The sun will rise after the darkness, yada yada

[pure raven]

What the D. Actually stands for doesn't matter. It's like asking what L stands for in Death note. It just doesn't matter.

[zealous brook]

Roger probably told shanks about laugh Tale treasure

[small creek]

Fusha village has dawn in it so maybe it’s connected that rogers grave is in fusha and shanks came to give back straw hat or pay respect

[pure raven]

I wanna know what brought him to tears.

Pretty sure it was the disbanding of the crew and roger leaving that made him cry

[meager jasper]

Roger telling him it was his time or some corny shit like that, probably.

[small creek]

And thats how he met luffy

[small creek]

And the one who took roger to fusha is Garp i think

[meager jasper]

Still a no for me. He wouldn't carry the gomu there for Roger's grave. He'd go there because he wanted to give it to someone there.

[zealous brook]

I like the theory that shanks was looking for Ace to give him Gomu Gomu no Mi but the fruit chose Luffy instead

[pure raven]

You guys haven't read the manga have you

[meager jasper]

Well, thanks!

[tender lynx]

Everyone here read it bruh

[pure raven]

just askin so i dont accidentally spoil

[small creek]

Maybe he was taking the gg with him and he meet luffy and saw potential in him and let luffy eat it

[pure raven]

I really do think that's the best fitting response and fit's Oda's vibe of whimsical story telling.

I wanna say something manga related so if u don't want me to just say no

[zealous brook]

Roger was expecting his son to do what he couldn't do maybe he told shanks to give his son the df to help him

[small creek]

As he was on runaway from wg its not big village though i didnt said shanks wanted to eat the gg

[meager jasper]

As I said, I don't believe he wanted him to eat it at any point.

[meager jasper]

That's what I'm thinking.

[small creek]

If he wanted to eat it he would have eat it when he got his hand onto it

[pure raven]

Yh I agree, he was in search of Ace I feel like, that's why he was mad when luffy ate it, plus he stole it from the WG for a reason coz he might know something

[zealous brook]

Yes. And shanks and his crew not having any devil fruit will probably mean something in further story

[meager jasper]

THANK YOU

[pure raven]

Cmonnn 😂

I unironically think the devil fruit escaping capture from the world government is hilarious and brings back to mind those old campbell soup commercials.

[meager jasper]

By the way, wild thought I suddenly had relating back to BB in a sense. The only fruits said to have willd of their own are Zoans. What if paramecia and logia fruits don't actually have an actual will of their own.

[zealous brook]

Oda is a very positive writer he wouldn't devasted Luffy's character by having him betrayed by his role model

[meager jasper]

Would that mean they could be stacked? So far, BB has a paramecia and a logia fruit.

[visual geyser]

You guys think zoro has a second soul?

[pure raven]

What do u think

[meager jasper]

Zoro has no soul.

[small creek]

Imagine if shanks sold the gomu gomu no on black market

[visual geyser]

Yes

[pure raven]

how come

[zealous brook]

That Gorosei kinda sounded like Zoans are the only df with their own brain.

[meager jasper]

He lost it and can't find it anymore. Worst sense of direction ever.

[pure raven]

would make sense; would explain how a sword eats the elephant fruit or a gun the dog fruit.

[meager jasper]

Exactly. Have any infused armaments been shown with paramecia or logia fruits?

[zealous brook]

Exactly + smile fruits are all Zoans and they have animals with own brain

[pure raven]

Katakuri?

[visual geyser]

Oh yeah i have a theory on how he lost it

[meager jasper]

@pure raven I may have phrased it wrong. I mean weapons infused with fruits.

Have there been any that were not zoan?

[small creek]

Baby 5?

[meager jasper]

Also has there ever been a SMILE fruit that's not a zoan fruit?

[pure raven]

... It's got me thinking... Are the Wardens in Impel down humans who ate the fruit or are they just like... animals or inanimate objects who ate their Zoan devil fruits?

I really wanna ask a question, but it's a big spoiler for anime onlys

[zealous brook]

What do you guys think about BB looking for strong Zoan fruit ? I had guessed it could be Dragon's fruit but maybe Luffy is his never target now

[small creek]

Go for it

[dusky tapir]

he already wish to have luffy's fruit

[small creek]

Maybe hes gonna show in onigashima and take kaidos fruit

[pure raven]

imho if BB's smart, he'll try for another/better Logia to ward off damage and actually survive stuff. Most other devil fruits are too confrontational fighting oriented which he's very much not imho

[small creek]

Kaidos fruit is tanky

[pure raven]

I unironically think BB trying to steal Kaido's fruit will not nearly be as easy as it was for him to steal it from Whitebeard

[small creek]

Same

[zealous brook]

BB taking Kaido fruit wouldn't mean anything for the story

[pure raven]

||Alright, so I remember chopper once mentioning something along the lines of how zoan fruits can influence the personalities of the users. Now, coz of chapter 1044 we know luffy has a zoan fruit, and it's the bloody SUN GOD, does that mean that THAT fruit, has influenced his personality a lot? Coz this kid is so morally strong and his personality is so great that he forms friends with almost anyone.||

[meager jasper]

Don't think BB's going to be the one to reap the spoils of Wano. Probably the World Government.

[pure raven]

SPOILERS FOR ANIME ONLYS

[small creek]

Does that mean why he came to totto land

[pure raven]

You mean Dressrosa? Maybe. I think Jesus is salty to not have a devil fruit

[small creek]

No totto land the laugh there is from Jesus Burgess

[meager jasper]

People first assumed he would be 'possessed' by Nika and lose his own personality. We've seen that doesn't happen. What seems more likely is that he inherited the will of Joyboy. The personification of Nika. He will be the complete Joyboy in that sense.

[pure raven]

but based on what evidence does he not lose his own personality? How do we know if it even is his?

[zealous brook]

Regardless of what type the fruit is. It's user is always going to be influenced by it. Akainu being angry at all times with his hot fruit. Aokiji always chilling and calm with cold fruit etc

[meager jasper]

He fully realizes he died moments earlier, but feels extremely happy at the same time. Showing he is still fully aware of who he is.

[pure raven]

I don't like that but also because we see some counter intuitive things to that.

[pure raven]

Still could be nika that influences him being "happy" though

Kuzan originally wasn't chill even with his ice powers; he believed in the marines and uses his "lazy justice" to disobey them and do what he thinks is right.

[eager frost]

nah his personality and other qualities are his own. things will be more clear after few chapters

[small creek]

If u search jesus laugh u can see its the same as its here

[meager jasper]

It is. It is complimenting his existing personality.

[pure raven]

ok alright, i hope oda clears it up next few chapters

[pure raven]

That's whole cake island; so I got lost by the name. I don't see him being able to take Katakuri or even Oven

[meager jasper]

That's the point. There's more to Luffy than just Luffy now.

[zealous brook]

However Luffy was always like what we see him before and after eating the df. Hence why the df chose him. Luffy was hanging out with soon to be Yonko pirate group as child having fun with them taking about friendship and all.

[small creek]

Idk its said a certain group and that there is Jesus laugh so

[pure raven]

no you said Totatto land or something and it made me confuse it for the Tontattas like Leo

[pure raven]

That's true actually, Idk how i forgot about luffy's flashbacks

[small creek]

Ohh

[eager frost]

it more of an enhancement on his own personality. i don't see any evidence suggesting the df does a 180 on users personality

[pure raven]

Fair point

[small creek]

Totto land - another name for whole cake

[pure raven]

I was just exaggerating to myself coz Sun God sounds huge, and i made the assumption it would have a huge impact on his personality

I just remember Lucci being more bloodthirsty coz of his fruit

Yh mb there

[small creek]

I like marco

[eager frost]

name of God is used pretty lightly in Op. we have Enel claiming to be a god. whole race claiming they are the gods, attack moves named after gods, bm with her lineup of "gods"

[zealous brook]

The concept is very simple to me whoever that Sun God was in his time or whoever JoyBoy was had nothing to with Luffy's current action. Luffy is just similar to them same way Zoro is similar to Ryuma

[small creek]

What yall talking about im not on

[pure raven]

U read the manga?

oh it's about luffy's personality

[small creek]

I see, watch anime too

[zealous brook]

Guess everyone in this chat read manga

[pure raven]

and how his fruit may influence it

Why is there this bloody time limit thing it's so annoying

[small creek]

It may influence a little cuz joyboy

[pure raven]

Ig to reduce spam but damn

[zealous brook]

Yeah I don't think this chat need Slow mode there is not much rush

[pure raven]

It is what it is, not our server

[zealous brook]

Bye. Gn. Hopefully we get some spoilers tomo😂

[pure raven]

I'm so sorry if i ruined anime ppl

I have a theory that robins devil fruit is actually a mythical zoan. Because in wano she recently literally turned into what looks to be a demon.

[cyan berry]

no thats just her fruit

she's able to sprout limbs

she sprouted limbs to make herself look like a giant demon

[pure raven]

She shouldn’t be able to turn into a literal demon

[cyan berry]

she didnt

[pure raven]

Bro she had horns and everything lmao

[small creek]

Yep

[cyan berry]

not actual horns but yes

[pure raven]

And made it black with Haki

[cyan berry]

again

she just sprouted limbs to make herself look like a demon

[meager jasper]

I don't know how I would feel if there were a lot more Devil fruit reveals. It would depend heavily on the narrative with the Akuma and how the Devil Fruits came to be. What it exactly means that Devil Fruits have minds of their own and what is at the origin of all of it.

[cyan berry]

and she doesnt have haki

[cyan berry]

thats a fan coloring

[meager jasper]

I expect there to be an origin tree somewhere with Vegapunk probably doing research on it.

[cyan berry]

here

[small creek]

Still it looks cool when colored

[pure raven]

You’ll see 😂

[cyan berry]

the fanart looks like headcanon garbage

[civic rain]

Cringe^

[meager jasper]

Yeah, I don't know what's up with Robin's fruit. The Oni horns are definitely interesting.

We know Nika doesn't have those so it's not a sign of divinity. It does show a link to Kaido though.

[eager frost]

im curious how many ppl ate gomu gomu fruit in the last 800 years. it must've been a good deal since WG wasn't in too much of a rush to hunt it from luffy since so many failed to awaken it and assumed Luffy would be just another guy destined to fail?

[civic rain]

The Fanart looks actually good

[pure raven]

I like to think the fruit just campbell soup'd them for 800 years

[meager jasper]

There's this crazy theory that Luffy's fire powers don't come from his devil fruit, but from him being half Lunarian, like Sanji and King.

Absolutely ridiculous, but I love it.

[eager frost]

💯

[idle dew]

Blackbeard has the Hito Hito no mi of a darkness god which is coincidentally the only counter to luffys fruit

[cyan berry]

please dont post other series spoilers here

also

Sanji isnt a Lunarian

not half lunarian as well

he's just not one

[visual merlin]

They just have anime logic fire

[eager frost]

maybe its just a trait of his awakened DF ?

[visual merlin]

fire?

[pure raven]

would be lack luster to call him the sun god without any actual imagery of you know said sun.

[eager frost]

who is a pet now

[cyan berry]

@pure raven keep stupid jokes like this to the manga channels, not here

[visual merlin]

We don't know what the meaning behind sun god is , doesn't really have to be related to nika's abilities at all

[meager jasper]

@cyan berry I may have misphrased the Half lunarian part, but the going theory is still that he has Lunarian Blood, bearing an uncanny resemblance to King and boasting Fire powers without a fruit.

[pure raven]

my apologies

[cyan berry]

he does not have an uncanny resemblance to King

[visual merlin]

what uncanny resemblance? He's just able to use fire

which 10 others are also able to do

[cyan berry]

and at least 5 other characters in Wano right now are able to use fire without a devil fruit

characters in this series are just able to use and create fire while not having special abilities or lineage

[visual merlin]

if sanji were meant to have fire, judge would react to diable jambe, that among several other reasons are why he's not lunarian

[twin plover]

yeah the context for using fire in one piece seems to be all over the place

i have been thinking though that the lunarians are related to those with the will of d somehow. like maybe people with d are descendent from lunarians. lunarians are set up to be the angels that lived on the red line before the wg and celestial dragons took over. since being ousted we can see them as fallen angels aka devils. the d has always stood for devil to me, and i imagine that those with d are these "fallen angels" who have forgotten their true origins.

[autumn mulch]

isnt it just the friction of the rubber

[mental wagon]

i feel like we're going to find out what luffy's unknown dream is soon enough because it mightve been something that only makes sense with the knowledge of luffy's true fruit idk tho

theres some holes in this one (like how roger had the same one, despite not having any df at all) , and its not really fleshed out that well but it kinda makes sense if you squint and also just not read it actually nvm

[torpid mist]

I just think it's something trivial like "i want to make everyone smile". Throwing the biggest party is less plausible to me bc i just don't think that would have shocked Oden so much

[twin plover]

that's what i think too. it could be a party with the whole world but i kinda expect something even simpler like making the whole world laugh

[modest skiff]

!theories @lunar shell please no jokes! Thank you!

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using #manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description.

[echo sandal]

Yo, ive seen some vids about what could blackbeard df be... They said its the opposite of luffy a hito hito no mi model moon God paku. Paku is mythical creature that devour dreams and nightmares

[lunar shell]

You know if this is really about a will of freedom, Roger and Luffy must have said " I'm gonna set up the greatest adventure".

Only a pirate king can do that. It is childish. It is amazing.

That is indeed what Roger did, like he said he would, after becoming the greatest pirate and using the treasure necessary to accomplish said dream.

Perhaps that was Joy Boy's dream also.
Definitely.

[modest skiff]

This doesn’t jive well with the outraged/perplexed response WB/Oden/Ace/Sabo gave.

[wide atlas]

source on the god?

[ashen surge]

But Roger really wasn't the most free dude in the world

[lunar shell]

It does, two think its childish, two think its unheard for

[lunar shell]

He was so free he could reach the whole world, and set it on an adventure.

[echo sandal]

https://youtu.be/MVT0DC_qEcc

https://youtu.be/06cSQnvxyA8

[ashen surge]

Yeah but the thing is that if everyone in the world is not free, then no one is.

[wide atlas]

ty gonna watch this

[lunar shell]

Freedom is not given, it is taken.

[ashen surge]

So you think that ones freedom requires a hierarchy where the other people below them are not free?

[hard forum]

Most powerful zoan that could exist?

[lunar shell]

Freedom have limitation. The one that has the most freedom is the one having the lesser limitation. This doesnt needs to be compared. It is to be fulfilled.

[ashen surge]

But what's the point of being the most free dude in the world if everyone else isn't the same?

[hard forum]

Guys if there could be a really powerful zoan, what would it be and why?

I'm not saying like kaido and stuff, just like if you could make your own

[lunar shell]

Do you think that everyone can have the exact same freedom ?

[ashen surge]

yes

[hard forum]

Everyone will always have some sort of limitation due to hierarchy

[pure raven]

The one piece is actually luffy's devil fruit

[ashen surge]

!theories this channel is not for headcanon

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using #manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description.

[lunar shell]

Then no one is free. They would be trapped in their lack of freedom notion.

[hard forum]

Oh sorry, where can i ask this question? I'm genuinely curious and i cant get it off my mind

[twin plover]

yeah if everyone is free then freedom has no meaning anyway. freedom needs non-freedom to exist. but i think we're conflating two different kinds of freedom. the kind of freedom luffy wants is freedom from responsibility. the kind of freedom he hands out is freedom from oppression.

[ashen surge]

the "exact same freedom" in One Piece is freedom from the oppression of the WG and celestial dragons

[lunar shell]

If we talk about slaves, about order, we dont talk about freedom at all.

[ashen surge]

You don't think a normal everyday person is a victim of oppression under WG?

[lunar shell]

Do you ask for the sun to shine in the night ?

[ashen surge]

I don't follow, the sun shines 24/7

[lunar shell]

night = the period from sunset to sunrise in each twenty-four hours.

Or is it that the sun never set ? never rise ?

No journey ? No dream. No freedom.

[ashen surge]

whatever, I asked you a yes/no question and you speak in riddles

[short pilot]

There are theories about Blackbeard will be the counterpart of Luffy, by eating a fruit with the power of "Moon god"

[ashen surge]

Why it has to be moon god? BB is a Cerberus and Cerberus is a guard who prevents dead people leaving from the underworld, that's pretty good counterpart to Nika who frees people

[hard forum]

Any theories of how luffy defeats kaido?

[short pilot]

Because luffy has the "Sun God"

[ashen surge]

I believe 0% youtuber theories

[lunar shell]

Here is how it will go :

In the end, Luffy will launch himself up using the ground turned gomu.

When up in the sky he will shrink himself to a point only his smile remain visible.

He will then release the pressure and be thrust to Kaido.

That's when he will strike Kaido using a gigantic punch on fire, shining like the sun, covering the moon, defeating Kaido.

People in the fire festival are in for a treat, for this punch will bring the sun, if for but a moment.

[ashen surge]

Mine are better because I don't get paid for coming up with 10 contradictory theories per week

[modest skiff]

Fight predictions or power discussions generally go in #manga . Lots of people have discussed this question there, so feel free to bring it up in that channel

[lunar shell]

You should. Freedom doesn't follow rules.

[bright vapor]

So, have people talked about Mihawk?
Could he be a mythical Zoan user too?
I just reread that scene in Marineford where he thinks about Luffy's ability of making new allies, and it felt like he was familiar with it. Maybe he was in this world 800 years ago? Knew joyboy, and so on.

Yeah I also inspire this idea by "the eyes" there's no way it is just a coincidence now.

[acoustic cairn]

the creation of the devil fruit power in one piece ,what the source of it?my thought luffy power to beginning was actually summoning that far from one piece world system a creation devil fruit,.,so luffy power, its originally created by goda that telling I was summoned from another world but that power indifferent bcs its from the world of freedom but my Japan always cheating hahahahaha, can I say that?

[lunar shell]

The essence of a sword master's force should be his mastery of the sword.

I understand the " eyes " thing, but I think he wont have any fruit.

[visual merlin]

Pretty sure that was just him recognizing that luffy is good at making allies in general

nothing to do with either of their abilities

[bright vapor]

I meant that it felt as if it was familiar to him. Might be just my interpretation though.

Also I feel like a moment when Marines come for him after the disband of warlords hints at him being an ally of Joyboy 800 years ago, when he too had to run away from WG forces. Also this could explain such boredom with this world.

[pure raven]

Thank you; I wish people would stop thinking being sociable, and making friendly is an actual super power. Oh wait these are shounen fans. They don't have social skills or friends.

[lunar shell]

I'd say Oda is going for the " advanced technology " way. We already know one of the ancient weapons is of such nature, that Vegapunk is close to reproducing them troughs scientific way, and that it links the ancient kingdom to the devil name ( devil for sorcery, sorcery for advanced technology, the one that defeat them hence being gods ).

Maybe Zunesha is the one creating them. He seems like a smart fellow.

[torpid mist]

The eye scar that BB gave Shanks might have current plot significance. When Shanks was discussing it w/ WB, he said that the scar "still hurts" and you can see some throbbing sound effect or similar. What if BB can see what Shanks sees through this injury? There are a lot of theories that BB had a zoan power before he got the yami yami and gura gura, which are now further enhanced by 1044, and it may even be a mythical zoan that BB has. it is possible that this scratch is imbued with one of the powers of the zoan that lets him see through shanks' eye. So this might be why BB knows how the WG is moving, because he was spying on Shanks' meeting with the gorosei.

[acoustic cairn]

once a gods and now get ready to slay claim god ,luffy just like god of spirit but the body human only power model , indeed god inu vs beings luffy , huhuhu the level of forbidden world, the war next arc it going to be scattered path just because zunesha died that easly lead many people to laugh tale ,once again history repeat battle of kingdom bfr reach to final, ahh SUCH FATE BB there

[pure raven]

your mom

she ate her(1045 theory)

[lunar shell]

Captain Eustass Kid

[pure raven]

my dad died

your mom sat on him

[torpid mist]

1045: BM eats kidd. 1046: Kid Mom v Law/Zoro

(zoro revival is offscreened)

[pure raven]

Charlotte D. Linlin?

[subtle jungle]

Rocks D Shanks, son of xebec and unarmed celestial dragon mother?

[thorn sparrow]

if joyboy died once, it CAN DIE AGAIN, LETS GO WG

[lunar shell]

Hey, bring it back !

[errant rune]

Thank you

There are also a lot of parallels with Luffy and Ra(the sun god) too,
Having 9 dieties(including Horus)on a boat called the (Sun Boat)
-The Sun God's main enemey being a God of darkness and chaos(Blackbeard?),
Ra being depicted with, or as a Hawk(red hawk attack?) and a Cobra(King Cobra attack?) etc...

[thorn sparrow]

excellent analysis, nice work

[errant rune]

@lunar shell

[slate wharf]

Basing only on appearance, if joyboy really was a giant. I can see it being inspired with the sun god helios who is also known as a titan and someone with flowing hair (sun like hair).

[icy cosmos]

i saw a theory about how because luffy has the hito hito no mi he could use rumble balls and use monster point ot turn into a giant

[sturdy sinew]

Wow nice gonna look up that

[sturdy sinew]

If he can fight with so much freedom maybe he can turn into a giant without eating a rumble ball

If that is the meaning of that haha

[icy cosmos]

ah yh true

[sturdy sinew]

He grabs kaido tho with that hand

But I wanna see that too tbh Luffy eating rumble ball since he is a Zoan haha

[slate wharf]

that's probably meant for choppers body

[slate wharf]

literally

[sturdy sinew]

Since he is an animal that ate a devil fruit?

[icy cosmos]

nah i doubt him being an animal would have anything to do with it. Its probably because his fruit is a different model

[slate wharf]

not sure about the reason but a doctor won't recommend the same medicine on just any other ppl just because both have the same symptoms correct me if i'm wrong.

[sturdy sinew]

So chopper could only transform into human form without the rumble right?

[slate wharf]

like both of them being a zoan type

[sturdy sinew]

Oh yeah

[slate wharf]

if anything, chopper would make a new one to fit it with luffy's body

[sturdy sinew]

Are we getting spoilers today?

[slate wharf]

idek when they normally give out spoilers

[slim wasp]

Huh quick question so luffy has a human human fruit

[urban adder]

yeah

[urban adder]

cant say for sure

[slim wasp]

So this is a smarter luffy huh wonder what his intelligence would be without the fruit

[visual merlin]

wdym smarter luffy?

[silent dock]

not sure if you can assume all human human fruits make one smarter. worked out that way in choppers case bc he was an animal with the ADDED intelligence of a human. plus we now know zoan fruits have a will of their own and bc of the significance of doctors in the world of one piece, it’s possible that fruit wanted chopper to eat it as he would be best positioned to leverage the fruit in its most useful way.

choppers fruit added intelligence could also be part of its ability set, if its indeed ADDED intelligence and not just standard human intelligence

[formal bridge]

Just because someone ate human human fruit doesn't mean they get smarter . It depends on model. Also there are stupid humans too not all humans are smart.

Man he is asking such strange questions are we sure he is human and not bot?

[silent dock]

if you mix water with more water you don’t get water that’s more watery. if you take lemonade and add water you get a watered down lemonade.

i think a human eat a human human fruit is like water + water in terms if intelligence , and an animal eating it is like the watered down lemonade, the added intelligence is actually recognizable

kind of a shit analogy tbh but you get my point? @slim wasp

[formal bridge]

@silent dock btw luffy is dumber than some animals it's been shown in anime already.

[silent dock]

this is a good point hahaha

[formal bridge]

Btw guys i think yamato gonna join the crew soon

[dire obsidian]

What if Roger had the gomu gomu no mi but never thought of it as rubber so he never had rubber properties? Maybe he went to Laugh Tale with the fruit but was never the right person to properly utilize it like Luffy so he failed to become Joy Boy and that’s why he cried when he saw the One Piece?

[formal bridge]

He didn't cry he laughed.

[dire obsidian]

Roger wanted the treasure while Luffy wanted the adventure and they were fundamentally different in that way?

[silent dock]

i think the rubber element is obvious, aka luffy stretching when immediately picked up. you can’t miss / avoid the rubber properties

[dire obsidian]

There’s a tear in Roger’s eye in the laughing panel whatchu mean. He laughed but he was clearly saddened by whatever he saw

[formal bridge]

Just so you no excessive laughing can bring tears

If you don't believe me try laughing hard. Like this 🤣

[dire obsidian]

The entire thematic of one piece is laughter and smiling. I know you can cry when you laugh, but tears are symbolic of sadness. No author would include tears if laughter was that symbolic in the series. Roger clearly failed in his journey. The tear has meaning

[silent dock]

i can definitely appreciate that, bittersweet tears as it HAS to sting to go all the way and realize you’re not that guy.

[dire obsidian]

To me reading whatever chapter where that happened, it was very obvious that Roger was not the man destined to become Joy Boy and that upset him. Roger was too early for whatever reason I think

[formal bridge]

He already knew he was early for the journey before he reached fishman island

[terse tangle]

https://www.opfanpage.com/2022/03/28/this-is-proof-that-oda-has-it-all-planned-from-the-start/

I saw someone post about how the wano sky turned into swirls. I've been trying to look into theories and such on when Oda started to foreshadow or at least hint that he planned something. I saw this article shared and wanted y'alls takes? Do we have anything more to back it up? I don't know Japanese so find it hard to do so

[silent dock]

BUT i can’t imagine in anyways roger having the gomu gomu no mi and missing its most basic power

[formal bridge]

Btw what's the reason for curly eyebrows is it just to make them look different or do they mean something

[dire obsidian]

Well if you want to be like that, it’s because Sanji was originally going to be named Naruto and the swirly eyebrow was liekly a reference to that pink and white thing in ramen bowls. Please realize that in storytelling, everything should happen for a reason. In a moment as important as Roger finding the one piece, it would be strange to include him crying if he wasn’t upset in some way. An author always strives to give as much information in as little word and attention as possible

If you don’t think Roger was sad when he saw the one piece then I don’t know what to tell you. Reread the chapter

[formal bridge]

I didn't say he wasn't sad but crying doesn't make sense he already knew he was early for it.

[dire obsidian]

You’re taking things at face value too much. Again, if you want to be like that, that moment was likely when he ultimately came to the realization. He probably knew that but he didn’t want to believe that. That’s a very human thing to do, like tearing up when you laugh, right?

[formal bridge]

Why would he name the island laughtale if he wanted to cry of course he got something from one piece that made him forget everything and laugh.

[wet otter]

guys i noticed that in the sanji vs queen fight sanji's eyebrows switched to facing sanji's left like his siblings

[dire obsidian]

He has the will of D, everyone with D laughs even at their own deaths. He laughed at his own failure. It’s extremely in tune with the thematics of one piece

[formal bridge]

He could be laughing at the treasure too. What if it's a huge piece of meat that keeps regenerating and never rots.

[dire obsidian]

Roger wanted the one piece but he was never destined to become Joy Boy, so he wasn’t able to use the one piece when he found it. Because of that, he laughed and he cried. That’s why he left it there and let himself be captured and killed, since he didn’t have much time left anyways. He left the one piece to be obtained by the person the previous Joy Boy left it for

If that’s not the case then what do you think it is?

[silent dock]

I have to agree that I think finding the One Piece was a bittersweet moment for Roger. He wasn’t the one, but you can almost tell how BAD he wanted to be, even when he tells Raleigh it’ll be his son who finds it. it’s 100% possible that he was laughing and crying all at once. i mean he just learned the tragic history of the void century, probably a heartbreaking story of destruction and defeat but it’s joy it’s story so you can’t help but laugh the ridiculous way handled it and he managed to set off a wild future chain of events.

But this is the theory page, do you have any other implications or evidence to tie to this observation other than he had the gomu gomu?

[formal bridge]

First of all he already knew he was dying so i don't think he could have used one piece at all even if he got it

[silent dock]

ok and? this is theory page post your ideas about that bro let’s hear it

[dire obsidian]

Exactly this, and I will say I was likely wrong about Roger having the rubber fruit. I think Roger’s entire importance as a character in the series is to foil a version of Luffy who had the same strive and ambition as Luffy but wasn’t meant to be Joyboy

[formal bridge]

Why would he name the island laughtale if he didn't find one piece funny.

[dire obsidian]

Because everyone with the will of D laughs even in failure and defeat. everyone who has the Will of D smiled in their death. We’ve seen this

[wet otter]

yea yea i noticed i posted in the wrong channel but i couldnt be bothered to delete it, ok i apologize continue on doing your thing

[formal bridge]

Btw it's also said all the crew laughed after seeing the treasure.

[dire obsidian]

Bruh you literally said the one piece is a giant chunk of regenerating meat like

[silent dock]

aw man i feel like a jerk i just wanted to hear your thoughts on the matter.

[wet otter]

its ok don't feel bad

[dire obsidian]

Do you think, especially after seeing Luffy become a god, the one piece will just end up being a joke item?

[formal bridge]

@silent dock maybe sanji eyebrows are caterpillars

The Roger Pirates were eventually able to uncover the enigma behind the Road Poneglyphs, having located them all in this new quest, and reach the mysterious final island 25 years before the current timeline. As they stumbled upon Joy Boy's treasure, Roger and his crew burst into laughter. They learned the truth about what happened during the Void Century, the true nature of the Ancient Weapons, and the meaning of the initial D. The nature of the treasure, coupled with what they had managed to learn about Joy Boy and the past, were considered a "funny story" by Roger, inspiring him to dub the final island "Laugh Tale".

[dire obsidian]

Do you think this huge mystery about the one piece that’s been hyped up for twenty five years real time is just gonna be some funny gag?

The one piece is just a photo of the original Joy boy doing the gottem hand sign

[formal bridge]

I don't know but that's all we know from oda right now

[dire obsidian]

What’s inarguable is the fact that Oda wanted to show Roger crying while simultaneously laughing when he saw the one piece and based on what we know about the thematics and meaning behind the story and information given to us in Roger’s monologue, it stands to reason that Roger was upset when he saw the one piece. Likely because he was too early when he arrived and/or not the destined person

That’s like the most lukewarm take possible and you’re refuting that

[iron inlet]

Ok odd question but with Luffy's devil fruit awakening can't he mimic most Zoan fruits?

[modest skiff]

Official translations corrected the whole "do anything you want" impression some people got from the fan subs

[crystal otter]

Let’s jump back a minute to 1014 first page that is not the cover page and kaido says “what was that? Gomu gomu no?” I think he knows every single name of every single devil fruit or at least most and I think in 1016 he says that luffy could not be joyboy either meaning that kaido was searching for the fruit.

[formal bridge]

Oda said he gonna make ending even more sadder than marineford ending.

[slate wharf]

gomu gomu no mi was a name wg use to keep the fruit in secret. kaido probably don't know it and the "you couldn't be joyboy" could also be implied to those with supreme haki

I mean, if he know the gomu gomu no mi is what he is searching for and he was replicating df for a long time. We should have seen lots of zoan with elastic ability or at least the same as rubber

[crystal otter]

Maybe he was trying to find a way to make a paramecia type fruit not thinking it was a zoan? Those few chapter are kind of confusing

[pure raven]

hmm... the wardens in impel down were awakened Zoan types right?

how different are awakened zoans from regular zoans?

[slate wharf]

It's not like it's confirmed he was replicating a certain fruit anyways. it could also be just him wanting to replicate zoan fruits for huge military forces

[slate wharf]

magellan? ain't he a paramecia?

[pure raven]

I'm not talking about Magellan

[slate wharf]

that's the only warden i can remember lol

[solemn saffron]

Shiryu who joins black beard

[sturdy sinew]

No the guards

[solemn saffron]

Shiryu is the other warden

[sturdy sinew]

They talking about Zoan users I think

[pure raven]

I am

[sturdy sinew]

Awaken zoans

[sturdy sinew]

Luffy is a zoan but can turn surrounding into a rubber

[pure raven]

Mythic Zoans are a special breed

[sturdy sinew]

Or maybe that is the meaning he can fight with so much freedom hahah

Kaido is mythical too?

[shut finch]

i have a big zoan awakening theory coming in in a few secs here

ZOAN AWAKENING THEORY/HEADCANON

In the series, we've seen five confirmed awakened Zoans. The four jailer beasts and Luffy. To our knowledge, Kaido is not awakened, and neither are the other Wano Zoans. That seems weird, considering Luffy just did it, but...

I believe that Zoan awakenings only happen in death, and the user can be revived if their will is strong enough. A user body strong enough to hold the awakening is also needed.

DEATH/THE PROCESS
I'll start by saying that death being the trigger is the part of this theory I am least confident in. However, I feel it's a strong option.

Here are the other trigger ideas I've seen, and why I don't like them as much:

Experimentation: I enjoyed the idea that Zoans can only be awakened artificially, and the jailer beasts were a result of Vegapunk fuckery. Luffy threw that out the window in 1044. I think all Zoan awakenings being by the same rules is the best option, so we'll scrap that as an overall idea.

Devil Fruit mastery: No chance in hell do I believe that those jailer beasts were df masters. Scrapped for same reason as above.

Repeated ass-beatings: This is the first that draws a thread between the Jailer Beasts and Luffy. Luffy awakened after getting destroyed by Kaido over and over, and the jailer beasts hypothetically could have awakened via abuse from Sadie. However, I feel that there should be more awakened Zoans by this logic. This could bring us back to experimentation for some extreme pain, but the logic is a bit too shaky for me to believe in this one.

This brings us to death. I'll first point out that we've seen a Paramecia and Logia user die, but never a human Zoan user. I say human because Smiley is a notable exception, but we'll go back to that. We also know that Zoans work very uniquely. They've been used in objects, they're the only fruits which are based on living things, and we learned in 1044 that they have "a will of their own."

Those last two points are key to this theory. This is how I imagine the process, roughly.

• Zoan dfs have a will associated with the living thing the fruit is based off.
• As we've seen though, that will seems to never be present while the user is alive. I think that will only can come out and attempt to take over the body in death. We know dfs can be used to restart the heart thanks to Enel, although this would be done by the will of the fruit and not the user. Before death, the user only gets the normal zoan range.
• If the users will is strong enough, they will revive and an awakened, competent zoan (Luffy) is created.
• If not, the Zoan will still awaken, but be a mindless beast (Jailer beasts).
• This is a one-time process. You get one potential revival, but once you/the zoan dies after that, it's done. Even if your will was strong enough to hold off the mindless stage.
• HOWEVER, this process doesn't work in any way if the user body/vessel isn't strong enough to hold awakening. This is only to fill a hole in the theory I'll mention at the end.
  I'll also note that this all ends up being somewhat similar to Brook's fruit, with different risks and advantages.

CONTROLLING THE WILL
Okay, here's the part I feel better about.

We've seen wills of the dead/other souls passed down and even taking action throughout the series, so we know this is possible. Zoro and Enma are an example. Oden's will was in Enma, and Zoro had to control it or be killed. This provides the possibility for something similar to be happening with Luffy, although it's a df, not haki

PROBLEMS/QUESTIONS
Drawbacks for Luffy: Awakening seems to eliminate a good amount of haki limitations for Luffy. Stamina is the drawback for paramecia awakenings (Kid and Law), but that shouldn't work for a zoan, which has increased stamina. The drawback for Luffy could be that the will of the fruit could take over if he's careless and in gear 5 for too long. Luffy would obviously not like this.

The jailer beasts didn't have a stronger will than a koala? I feel like we can suspend a bit of disbelief here. Also (headcanon alert) I doubt the humans that were turned into jailer beasts had very strong wills to live before death. They could have been tortured and such in experiments.

Does this mean Kaido will awaken if he dies? Yes, and that's a very interesting part of the theory. Oda would probs keep the Tobi Roppo and All-Stars (i dont think SMILEs can awaken) alive to avoid overkill, and may do the same with Kaido, but if he were to die, he could come back awakened and need to be killed again. I'm pretty shaky on this but I'd laugh if Kaido still couldn't die after dying

What about Smiley and df reincarnation? My explanation is that a Zoan can take over an inanimate object immediately, so it wouldn't go through this process. Through technicality, they're "awakened" right away, although it doesn't have much advantage. And I mentioned before that this is a one-time revival for humans, so after the awakened death is when the devil fruit reincarnates. This explains why Smiley went to a new fruit immediately after its only death. OR, objects aren't a strong enough vessel for a Zoan to awaken in post-death.

Wouldn't this cause a storm of awakened mindless Zoans from dead users? Yes, it could, but I think we can get around it. The jailer beasts seem pretty kill-able for the WG/Marines/strong pirates. This would go for most Zoans, so not a huge problem. For mythicals, it's a larger problem, but 1. Most with those rare fruits have strong wills, so the mindless beast stage wouldn't happen in most cases 2. The aforementioned point about the user needing to have a body capable of holding the awakening comes into play here. Previous users of the gomu gomu between joyboy and luffy couldn't even be a vessel for Nika.

ONE MORE CLARIFICATION: A user has to have a physically capable body for zoan awakening to be possible post-death, but need to be mentally capable to revive and not be a mindless beast.

anddd that's the end

[mint violet]

My theory will stay the same abt this. Nika was a Gomu-Gomu user back then. Thus, he's a paramecia. WG knew abt him, his nature, what he does againts WG, and how he freed slaves, bring smiles to ppl, and end their suffering. He get the title "Sun God" after he finished certain fears. The story about Nika passed down every generations and it become a legends. Thus, make Nika a legendary figure, a myth figure, a "Sun God". The fun thing is.. the Sun God words were (quoted? I have no words for "-" -ed sry) , that indicate that he's not a purely God like the God we usually know. That's an epithet for sure

So..When Nika die, the Gomu fruit appear somewhere and WG knew Nika was a myth / legend , tho I 100% believe that Nika was a real figure back then.

This is Why, WG called the Gomu-Gomu no Mi with another name. Hito-hito no Mi myth model - Nika, since it was used by Nika centuries ago , and Nika was a legend/myth figure tho i believe he's a human warrior

Heck I even thinking Nika = Joyboy, Joyboy is another epithet for Nika

Thus the actual root of Luffy ability was Gomu-Gomu no Mi all along, and no wonder if he can use his awakening to affect his surroundings, since he's Paramecia

[sturdy sinew]

Nice 👍

But this seems like a manga I can't mention

[lunar topaz]

theory about Kid being a D
When Luffy comes to marine ford he wrote 3D2Y Meant for his crew to meet him in saobody in 2years but
what if it mean 3D (Will of D) vs 2Y (Yonko)

[shut heath]

A fair observation. And there are certainly similarities between the two, however in Luffy's case, the Gum-Gum Fruit most likely dealt with different applications rather than oughtright abilities.

[amber oar]

why

ther 3D2Y subplot is already solved and there's no need to revisit it.

Also "yonko" means four emperors, put a 2 before "yonko" is redundant

[lunar topaz]

Make sense

yeah my bad lol sorry about that one

[modest skiff]

Nice, I like a lot of aspects of this and agree with most of it. I have been thinking a lot about this and I appreciate you filling in a bunch of gaps I had when I have thought about this

Where we agree:

1. Jailers were overwhelmed by the will of their fruits

2. Luffy's will was strong enough to harness the awakening rather than be overwhelmed by it

Where you have filled in gaps I couldn't:

1. Dying is necessary to give the will of the fruit an opportunity to flourish

2. Zoans work well on inanimate objects because the objects never had a will to begin with

3. Jailers were awakened in Impel Down, a place we know loved torture and killing. This was a great hint for you to pick up on that torture/death are necessary

Where we disagree:

1. The awakening has draw backs other than the possibility your mind is lost forever. I think it is possible, but right now I am leaning more towards Luffy simply mastering to fruit and there won't be a disadvantage to it

2. I am having a hard time understanding why you are saying a strong body is necessary to awaken when it feels like you already concluded it works on a tea pot because the teapot just goes straight to the awakening part. It seems like the awakening happens regardless depending on how you look at it. If dead, fruit takes over

Don't ask for hints like this. Take it to DM. Hints are just as bad

[mint violet]

Already get kt 😁

[sturdy sinew]

Kinda like that theory

[mint violet]

I was thinking that.. Mr.0 stated that "revived" was one of Zoan nature yes?

But.. but what if. Luffy never Zoan all along, it was only the other name the WG gave to Gomu-Gomu

What if.. it's the part of the awakening of gomu-gomu no mi? Since you know.. rubber will always comeback to its original state as long as u dont burn, slice, or dip em into acid

[modest skiff]

I know, I am saying the conversation you had where you discussed other series specifics in a very obvious way is against our guidelines for the server. Please don't do it again in the future. Any other series references need to be tagged in #other-series and strictly not anywhere else

[formal bridge]

Does losing mind means going berserk

[quaint solar]

ok i observed something, but i'm not sure if this is the place to post it or not

[mint violet]

Aight won't do, i'll try to dm when this happened again. Sorry and thanks for reminding 👍

[sturdy sinew]

I'm sorry too

[quaint solar]

it pertains to SAD and SMILES, and maybe One Piece itself

[formal bridge]

If so why are inanimate objects not going berserk@modest skiff i don't think there is any danger of losing their mind

[quaint solar]

So Laugh Tale is the place where One Piece is located, and I guess the origin of devil fruits might pertain to that? Is it an accident, in a possible similar vein, that SMILES are so-named because they're products of || synthetic devil fruit ||?

[mint violet]

Oke fellow reader!! I have a question that might not have answered till now. But i'd like to hear your opinion..

So... What do you think about the true nature of devil fruit?

1. Does it just pop up somewhere with certain abilities, from ancient times ago ?

2. Does it started with certain people that have an innate ability since their born, and once the died the ability turn into fruit (or seed) ?

3. It comes from many ages ago by using some magic?

Cuz from what I read and believe till now. I'd stick with 1 . It was a fruit that just pop up somewhere. Heck even Toki and Nika ate it since 800+ yrs ago

[quaint solar]

SMILES, Laugh Tale, Joy Boy, etc. All pertain to positive emotions, at least in name. Is this a relevant observation?

[modest skiff]

I guess since there is no brain to begin with, there is no ability to go insane? Explains why the zoan objects just sit completely still.

[lunar topaz]

2's a good one

[formal bridge]

Yeah also they obey their user faithfully

Btw does anyone think objects can eat SMILEs too. Oda never told us how objects eat df too

[mint violet]

Since Oda havent or might never tell us about this, about how the birth of the DF started

[ripe geyser]

Oda will definitely explain to us pretty much everything about how DFs work

[formal bridge]

Do you think objects can eat zoan df only.

[quaint solar]

if i had to guess, the "positive emotion" connotation is to associate with the concept of freedom and liberation from oppression (a sort of recurring theme in the series itself, even), which is often a direct result of people being empowered by devil fruits. even piracy in general holds often holds that nature, if only as a foil to the bullying world government

[ripe geyser]

I’m certain Oda said he’d explain more about devil fruits at a later time in an SBS

[modest skiff]

1. Wano calls devil fruit users magicians and also cursed people. I think this is a hint that power users did not always come from eating devil fruits

2. Toki is only ever said to have the "toki toki power", they never call it a fruit. I think Toki is from a time before powers were put in devil fruits

3. Toki having the same name as her power makes me think it is possible that devil fruits were used to preserve the will/soul/voice of people and/or animals in the past.

4. Nika was a real person and he had the gomu power. His will/soul/voice was preserved by putting him in a devil fruit. That is why Luffy had the gomu power from the beginning but only gained the more awakened form of his fruit later on.

5. I think Nika was a Lunarian and that is why Luffy has slowly gained more and more fire abilities as he got closer to awakening. I think it is also why Luffy's hair is all fire'ish. First he got the gomu power and now that the fruit has awakened, he gets a more complete set of all the aspects of Nika, which include his powers as a Lunarian

[pure raven]

nice theory👍

[formal bridge]

So do you think toki's power turned into df too then.

[modest skiff]

No sorry I mis-wrote, edited my message

[formal bridge]

Ok so her power didn't turn into df

[pure raven]

smh

[modest skiff]

I think its entirely possible Toki's power is just totally gone if it wasn't passed down somehow. But really I don't have a good answer for that. It begs the question of where the powers came from to begin with, I don't have a good answer but I will think about it. Good question @formal bridge

[south verge]

In chapter 764 Cora said the D name is the God's natural enemy. I think there's correlation between D and devil fruit and will be explained later in the story.

[ripe geyser]

It’s fairly obvious that the anti-swimming curse is something powers don’t naturally have and that they must’ve been forced into devil fruits somehow by the WG

[formal bridge]

I think a D created the Devi fruit

[shut finch]

Thank you! On the disagreement points:

1. yeah i could see it, that aspect is less important for me
2. yeah, this might just be me over-correcting any gaps, but the thing I wonder about if my theory were to be correct is why awakened zoans, even in just a mindless form, wouldn’t be more common. The gomu gomu also fruit hasn’t been awakened for centuries, which would mean it hadn’t even been eaten with this logic. Adding a physical restriction to the human side makes it a bit more believable imo that we don’t see more awakenings and makes the gorosei seem a bit more competent for Luffy’s fruit, but it’s not totally necessary and it does make the inanimate object portion a bit wonky

[mint violet]

If someday Toki information released someday in data book, and stated a Toki Toki no Mi, this 100% Toki ate the fruit foe sure

[ripe geyser]

The loss of the ability to swim as we know is associated with having restricted freedom

[formal bridge]

Doesn't that mean luffy can never attain true freedom

[ripe geyser]

What if it’s possible to lift the curse

[mint violet]

Oh wait.. there's Toki vivre card already, and it stated Toki Toki no Mi in it... So.. its safe to say that Toki a DF user after she ate it

[quaint solar]

the real question is why the world government heads dont want to crack down on the existence of SAD and Caesar, due to their ability to reverse engineer the devil fruits, in time, and the implication this could have on world order

[ripe geyser]

What if there was a way to remove a DF ability from someone

[mint violet]

It happens 800yrs ago since shes a time traveler so.. its also safe to say that the Devil Fruit exist since 800yrs aho

[pure raven]

yo i read a theory somehwere saying that the giant straw hat is actually belongs to poseidon😳

[ripe geyser]

Superpowers could be more complex in this verse than they seem