manga-theories

[split glacier]

He's known about Luffy for ages. Known he's been rubber, met him multiple times. He doesn't want his fruit.

He's after something else, something the government has or is after. BB doesn't know the Gorosei/Imu undying desire to capture the Nika fruit for the last 800 years which no one even knows exists...

And none of this "maybe Xebec's spirit told him" blah blah blah either lol

[lime stirrup]

Not even Luffy knows his fruit's true nature yet

[subtle jungle]

1044 spoilers! So Luffy has an extra circle in his eye. If his inner eye is red like Im or Mihawk? Fanart had some idea, just spooky!

[barren steppe]

maybe wb told him XD

[split glacier]

Get out lol

[marsh spear]

I wouldn't underestimate blackbeards information he is very special and has obviously had alot of information since the start he knows things that the gorosei probably don't

[rugged mural]

luffy looks so cool

[formal bridge]

Can anyone tell me chapter when sabo was fighting Burgess?

[rugged mural]

i finally want a luffy action figure

i like the theory that bb already has 3 fruits, because he's a mythical zoan and that modifies his body to get more fruits

[lime stirrup]

I re-read skypeia and i think its very interesting that there is a bit of a motif of music and freedom. In skypeia the ringing of the bell signifies the end of the war, and obviously now the drums of liberation are huge

[rugged mural]

i hated skypeia so much, but it's paying off big time now

[subtle jungle]

Blackbeard's teeth is all the proof we need tbh. Oda doesn't draw mistakes often, and three skulls, three guns.. plus Marco said a line about his strange body.

[marsh spear]

Lmao how is it cap bb has been curating his plan since he joined whitebeard. Wanting to get the Yami for a specific reason. Becoming a warlord to gain the governments trust, taking the opportunity to steal whitebeards fruit. For whatever reason he can have multiple devil fruits and we as well as the rest of the one piece world has no idea how. He met with shanks and scarred him and we have no idea why. There's no reason to underestimate his knowledge he has clear ties or knowledge of xebec aswell who is supposed to be erased from history

For all we know blackbeard could know the entire ancient history. I doubt it but there's no reason to undermine his Intel lmao

[barren steppe]

well luffy have a way to "upgrade" the gear 5 the rumble balls

[lime stirrup]

Yeah i didnt like it at first either but looking back it is so huge for the story

[marsh spear]

And he is clearly after something that the government have left alone. That could be Nika for all we know. An ancient weapon or whatever the hell else the possibilities are open

[barren steppe]

the rumbe balls only afects the human model of the hito hito or al zoans ?

[raw laurel]

Working on a new theory but I think robin is also a hito hito user

[amber oar]

Likely only Chopper's fruit

Zoan models are separate fruits, they just share a name because they share a group of species

[granite narwhal]

can luffy eat choppers balls?

[raw laurel]

Phasing

[pure raven]

Luffy is a hito hito no mi, Suddenly everyone is one. What's up with yall smh. Tryna debunk Odas unpredictability.

[amber oar]

looking forward to the nitpicks and mental gymnastics that prove this or that character has a model of hito hito.

[pure raven]

I’ve been hearing some dumb stuff ever since like this year started. Some guy yesterday said Law is yonko level.

🙀🤔🤔

Oda knew

[ebon cloak]

zoro is joyboy?

[charred crane]

I feel like at this point fruits should still hold more mystery than what is normally thought. I mean yes people that eat them automatically know what what it is but, that could be wrong and more like they get the gist but not everything. They don't automatically know how to use it well or how to awaken. Back in Enies Lobby the Giraffe guy was pulling some moves out of his ass figuring it out as he goes. Also there is Chopper with his rumble balls. He may have eaten a human fruit but his big form does not seem like it's human. As though it unlocks something else with the medicine. I have always wanted to see another devil fruit user try the rumble ball and see what happens. Last is awakening which does not have much in the way of what comes from it when it happens or what it takes to come in.

[cerulean thistle]

guys, let say brook have an awakening, what it could be? i mean, what kind of power he will posses?

[red nacelle]

Who says he hasnt?

Remember before time skip he could not do all the soul stuff

[cerulean thistle]

what proof? as far as I remember, his df active when he dia that time...

[spring anvil]

brook is gonna outlive the strawhats

[ebon cloak]

but is brook alive

[spring anvil]

his soul is

[red nacelle]

Now of course it may be that he didn't fully realize what he could do otger than awakening but my point is we basically know nothing of devil fruits and we can question everything

[spring anvil]

well ya not even just luffy's fruit but we also know a fish fish fruit exists

[red nacelle]

True

[robust edge]

Wasn’t it confirmed that Brook is still going to die at same time as a normal human

[red nacelle]

By the way all the hito hito no mi we know are mythical other than choppers

[spring anvil]

brook is 80 years old so

[robust edge]

90*

[red nacelle]

And it always stroke me as weird that existed

[robust edge]

I mean caveman?

[spring anvil]

A random thought, is the siickness whitebeard and roger had overdosing on haki basically?

[robust edge]

Hito Hito no Mi: Model Caveman sounds stupid but it could work for an ancient type

[spring anvil]

theoretically obviously

[red nacelle]

Who knows? It could be everything. But why should one die young and the other very very old and not even from this illness?

[robust edge]

Well why didn’t Oden have the same sickness he had a sword that literally drains Haki from you. As we saw from Zoro at a huge rate too

[spring anvil]

Well that's exactly it, oden couldn't overdose on haki if his sword takes it all

[red nacelle]

I like that

You assume the body absorbs the haki. Why do you assume that?

[spring anvil]

not sure what u mean

[visual merlin]

how would you overdose on haki

and they seemed to have different symptoms

[spring anvil]

I'm wording it weirdly i mean like they have so much haki it affects their health somehow

[visual merlin]

Nah, I mean there shouldn't be different tanks of haki for different people anyway

and if there is it wouldn't make you sick

[red nacelle]

You basically say that since zoro uses the haki it cannot overdose him. So does everyone else who uses haki.

[spring anvil]

well we dont REALLY know that

[robust edge]

How do you overdose on Haki by using too much of it or by having too much in your body

[visual merlin]

yea but we've no reason to doubt it

[nimble hinge]

Haki is just your own spirit/will. Are you saying they overdosed on their own spirit/will?

[visual merlin]

and if you could overdose on haki, Im sure others would too

[spring anvil]

idk its just a thought

[robust edge]

Because using too much Haki is confirmed to be dangerous again Zoro and Enma

[spring anvil]

i know there is another theory that rocks infected them with the germ germ fruit

[visual merlin]

Thats just by using all of it up, but you yourself wouldn't be harmed by having a lot of haki

[red nacelle]

Zoro isn't using the haki. Enma takes it

[spring anvil]

We dont know if having a lot of haki can affect your body or not

[visual merlin]

yea but again, we've no reason to doubt it

[formal bridge]

Is that paramecia or zoan

[spring anvil]

Ya but thats why im theorizing lmao

[red nacelle]

I am not saying rogers illness could bot have something to do with haki. It could. But i don't think it is so simple

[visual merlin]

Haki is your own will, there's no reason it should hurt you

[visual merlin]

theories involve evidence, its not just any random thing

[thorn sparrow]

my theory is luffy is gonna become a one man army sadly

[spring anvil]

well if haki is JUST your own wiill how come you can make is come out in physical form, its obviously not just your own will

[red nacelle]

Hahahahhahaha

[scarlet stirrup]

this has probably been pointed out already but i find it interesting that both luffy and enel have a cloth/smoke strand orbiting their shoulders

[visual merlin]

because thats how the power system works

[thorn sparrow]

thank you so much

[robust edge]

Whitebeard was probably dying from being old and Roger had a mysterious disease

[formal bridge]

Why did enel become fat

[spring anvil]

@visual merlin ok but that just proves that anything is up for debate

[red nacelle]

Who knows? Enel could have a mythical zoan as well

[visual merlin]

the point is its still your own will, there's no reason it'd hurt you, there's no sign of it hurting anyone in the series

[visual merlin]

no it doesn't

[spring anvil]

We literally have no idea if it CAN or CANT hurt you, we don't know, im not saying it will im saying it might

[formal bridge]

Also whitebeard drank too much alcohol

[visual merlin]

No, we have plenty of idea

[robust edge]

Luffy’s smoke bands are more like Gear 4th’s than anything else and as for Engel probably just a style choice

[visual merlin]

we just haven't been explicitly told "hey haki can't hurt you through illness"

[spring anvil]

Can you liink me something that states that haki CANNOT hurt you overtime

[visual merlin]

I can link you the past 500 chapters of haki never hurting anybody, including emperors

[robust edge]

Zoro would already be dead if that was what was killing him

[visual merlin]

and it being your will, etc

I don't need to post oda explicitly stating it doesn't hurt you

[spring anvil]

@visual merlin you aren't understanding my point, only 2 characters have had enough haki too hurt them

[formal bridge]

Zoro didn't drink too long as wb did

[red nacelle]

That's the opposite thinking. Since you suggest a theory, you should find evidence.

[visual merlin]

Why do you choose which 2 characetrs had enough haki to hurt them

[nimble hinge]

Where does it state they had the most haki?

[visual merlin]

and how come these things started affecting them at different ages?

[spring anvil]

You dont think roger has the most haki out of anyone we know?

[nimble hinge]

That's not what I asked you.

[robust edge]

Also like if Haki really did cause it why did their illnesses start at completely different times in their life

[formal bridge]

@spring anvil bullet had more i think

[red nacelle]

Maybe. But it has not been stated

[spring anvil]

Thats exacly what u asked

[nimble hinge]

I asked you where it states those two have the most haki. @spring anvil

[spring anvil]

I'm assuming, which is normal because this is a theory

[visual merlin]

No, thats not normal

theories don't mean you assume anything you want

that jsut makes a bad theory

[spring anvil]

you think its not normal to assume roger had the strongest haki?

[visual merlin]

I don't think its normal to assume things just because it fits your theory

[spring anvil]

But it doesn't just fit my theory

[visual merlin]

You're also already assuming people can have vastly different haki pools

[red nacelle]

No dude you can't just throw stuff at us and say it's a theory. You base that theory on something? Where are your somethings???????

[spring anvil]

Which i think people can???? I think it makes 100% sense that different people have different haki threashholds

[robust edge]

Strongest Haki of anyone we have really seen sure

[nimble hinge]

Roger had Uranus, which was a DF fruit. The most strongest fruit ever.

I can say this because I can assume Uranus was a fruit, I can assume it's the strongest fruit, and I can assume Roger had it. And it's reasonable, because the manga has never stated none of those things aren't possible.

[spring anvil]

you think chopper and luffy have the same haki preserve?

[visual merlin]

Can you show me where thats stated or implied then?

[spring anvil]

You need to go to manga channel thiis is manga theorie

[robust edge]

But like I feel there are stronger people who existed then him. Plus why wouldn’t people know Haki did damage if it could happen

[red nacelle]

Nice example

[visual merlin]

Chopper does not have haki, but yes arguably if he had haki, he'd have the same amount of haki, just not the same power behind it

[formal bridge]

Roger could swim though

[spring anvil]

lmao u have to be TROLLING

[visual merlin]

Theories are not random shit based on whatever assumptions you like

[spring anvil]

This dude said chopper and luffy would have the same haki preserve

[red nacelle]

Haki isn't about reserves. More willpower means stronger haki. And yes it has veen stated as such i am just too lazy to search for it

[robust edge]

This is like saying all the the Strawhats will have Haki by the end of series. Just a theory btw

[visual merlin]

Yea, thats different from having as strong of haki

[visual merlin]

why stop there?

Zoro is big mom's son

theory!

[nimble hinge]

Have we ever seen that?

[visual merlin]

the manga doesn't explicitly say he's not, therefore good theory

[spring anvil]

You guys arne't funny that's not my point at all

[formal bridge]

@visual merlin garp is the mastermind

[echo plank]

Lets be real they all probably will have some kind of haki by the end

[visual merlin]

You're going back to "its a theory" to defend it, Im pointing out how that logic doesn't work

[spring anvil]

@visual merlin If you aren't gonna be good faith im not responding

[visual merlin]

???

[nimble hinge]

@spring anvil Are all theories equally as good, or are some better than others?

[visual merlin]

I am showing you how saying its a theory changes nothing

[robust edge]

Still not a good theory you have your gut not any actual proof. Though I do kind of have the same belief not saying it’s a theory though

[spring anvil]

You aren't listening to me, go re read what i said and come back

[red nacelle]

Hahahahahha

[visual merlin]

cmssd. If you don't like how these sound, then that should tell you saying "its a theory" doesn't save you

[spring anvil]

I'm not just saying that, again ur bad faith

[visual merlin]

Alright, so lets go back then

[nimble hinge]

Outside of assumptions of things that CAN possibly happen. What do you have to support your theory?

[visual merlin]

What is the basis and or evidence for your theory here?

[spring anvil]

Expired can you restate my theory? I dont think u can

[nimble hinge]

Things CAN happen in every theory. That's the bare minimum.

[formal bridge]

Bro he is trying to say that a pirate king without df must depend on his haki against df so that conclude that he has strongest haki@visual merlin

[visual merlin]

Dude, Im asking you to give us the basis and evidence for it

[viral burrow]

Has there been any thread on chopper's hito hito no mi rumble ball knowledge potenitally being used for luffy's hito hito no mi?

[hidden prism]

man its a mud slinger in here

[visual merlin]

if you can do that, we'll go from there

[spring anvil]

I'm just saying that it might be possible that having too much haki or too strong haki might affect your health I'm not really pressed on this theory i just asked about peoples opinions

[hidden prism]

thats a good thought

[echo plank]

This theory isn't entirely unreasonable, all three of them had very good quality blades. Roger's is 1/12 supreme grades and so is WB's. Enma is 1/21 great grades.

[spring anvil]

Luffy gets GASSED everytime he uses his gears which is HAKI HEAVY you don't think anything stronger can affect people?

[echo plank]

and enma is currently draining zoro rn
if he turns it black it might also become a supreme grade

[visual merlin]

Okay, so my opinion is that it has nothing backing it, so there's no real point in considering it currently. luffy getting gassed is him using up his haki in one time, that's not nearly the same as getting sick because you inherently have too much haki

[hidden prism]

an enma enema if you will

[pure raven]

Do you guys think Rayleigh and Dragon will come to wano? They're both in the opening for ep1000

[spring anvil]

If you have a constant stream of incredibly strong haki you don't think that can affect you? Bullshit hahaha

[visual merlin]

no

[spring anvil]

I don't think you are engaging in good faith then

[visual merlin]

because there's nothing backing the idea that having a lot of strong haki would hurt the user

[hidden prism]

we are certainly due for Dragon lore

[pure raven]

Ya

[visual merlin]

It is their power. If they have an inherently large pool of haki, there's 0 reason for us to believe that would hurt them

[spring anvil]

Again im not really pressed on this theory i dont think its true im just bringing it up

[hidden prism]

any good theories on what Oda might be holding back about Dragon?

[nimble hinge]

You understand what Haki is right? It's not some physical thing inside of you. It's your own spirit and will, and it only affects OTHERS when you MANIFEST it.

[pure raven]

Celestial dragon maybe

[spring anvil]

yes i understand that

[visual merlin]

yea, as well as acting as if its bad faith to disagree with it apparently

[spring anvil]

Can you respond to me and not just talk generally to other people trying to dogpile lmao "helper"

[visual merlin]

That is what I have been doing this entire conversation

[formal bridge]

Man i wanna see garp vs wb

[visual merlin]

I've responded to no one else here

[spring anvil]

I understand mr helper i dont have evidence to backup this random thing i came up with i just wanted to talk about it but ill stay out of manga theories for you

Moderation team really is welcoming

[nimble hinge]

Asking you to think more critically about something you're posting on a public platform is the least you should expect when making theories.

[spring anvil]

I'm thinking as critically as i can there is no evidence to backup what im thinking

[nimble hinge]

You weren't called names. You weren't attacked. Toughen up.

[visual merlin]

First of all, drop the sarcasm. Second, you're perfectly fine talking about it, I said nothing about staying out of manga theories. What Ive been explaining is that there's nothing backing it up, and that its not a good theory worth really considering currently. My job as a helper isn't to make you feel better about your theories

[spring anvil]

You are gatekeeping, its not good theory worth considering? lmao

[visual merlin]

No, Im giving you my opinion, and that opinion is that its not a good theory

[spring anvil]

It wasn'tt just an opinon you are pushing back knowing its a dumb theory

[nimble hinge]

Not really, no. It's not even a theory. It's just an idea of whether something could be true. It's more a discussion topic than it is a theory.

[spring anvil]

Primal im not talking to you

[odd viper]

[visual merlin]

Thats what an opinion is, and I've been arguing for my opinion. I think its a bad theory, and I don't think its worth considering with everything we already know

[spring anvil]

also "It's just an idea of whether something could be true." "It's not even a theory" lmao

[nimble hinge]

Yes. That's not a theory. If you're discussing if something could be possible, you're just having a conversation. A theory is presenting an idea, and supporting it.

[formal bridge]

Btw WB died because he drank too much

[spring anvil]

Ok say its bad and leave me alone how about that

[visual merlin]

There is a difference there. Thats what I already pointed out with the "zoro is big moms son" thing. An idea that technically isn't impossible doesn't necessarily make it a theory, let alone a good one

[formal bridge]

It is impossible btw

[visual merlin]

This is a public server

[spring anvil]

I don't think saying haki could hurt you is comparable to zoro being big moms son

[visual merlin]

It is comparable in that both are possible, but neither having anything supporting them

[nimble hinge]

Neither have any support. If anything the Zoro one could at least scrounge up an ounce of material to back it up.

[visual merlin]

its simply an example

[spring anvil]

haki is known to gas people out that is at least alittle support

[pure raven]

😴

[visual merlin]

No, using haki too much is known to gas people out

[formal bridge]

Seriously bruh

[spring anvil]

Exactly??? hahahahahaha

[visual merlin]

and even then, you only get gassed in terms of using haki, you're still able to much and such

[visual merlin]

Yes, there is a big difference between getting gassed from using haki, and getting sick because you inherently have a lot of it

[nimble hinge]

Using haki and having haki are apparently the same now.

[pure raven]

here some theories:
-Blackbeard has a mystical zoan df and thats the reason why he can eat more df up to a total of 3 including the zoan
-some of luffy's attacks can fight for themselves sinces zoans have a mind for them self . thats why luffy spoke to it while fighting doffy or katakuri

[spring anvil]

Expired imagine this, iif someone using haki for 10 min makes them gassed. What if someone can't control their haki and it is being used all the time and they can't help it

[echo plank]

well i'd expect roger and wb to be able to control it

[nimble hinge]

Using all the petrol in a car makes it stop working, therefore putting too much petrol in the car will also make it stop working.

[spring anvil]

If it's too much they can handle they can't control it theoretically

[visual merlin]

What reason do we have to believe literally anyone can't control their own haki to the point that its used all the time, let alone roger and Wb of all people? And if this was the case, they also would not have survived as long as they did, nor would it be a sickness of that kind

[nimble hinge]

Crocus is the greatest doctor alive. Knew how much time Roger had left by calculating that he had too much haki.

[spring anvil]

Unironically a good idea

[nimble hinge]

And was giving him medicine to drag it out for as long as possible.

[spring anvil]

I don't think its that insane i just have 0 proof i never really think about this

im prob wrong though

[nimble hinge]

No other person is dying from having too much Haki. But Crocus was able to determine that as the cause and then somehow determine that he had 3 years left to live as a result

[visual merlin]

It has 0 proof, and we'd need several leaps for everything to make sense such as that people have different haki pools, roger and WB specifically have more than people like kaido, that despite being so strong, they can't even control it, that somehow even though using it up only gasses luffy out, it gives them some complex illness that only Crocus could figure out, etc , and so I think its a bad theory not really worth considering

[spring anvil]

yes i agree expired nice job

[visual merlin]

Don't get sarcastic because we've pointed out flaws

[pure raven]

we dont know rogers illnes

[kind lynx]

lack of pussy

[spring anvil]

I literally agree expired ive said many times i dony think im right, how many paragraphs are you gonna write telling me what i already think

[pure raven]

but we probably know that wb used his haki to stay alive and die while standing

[echo plank]

maybe their curse has to do with their supreme grade weapons

it's been shown that a great grade can drain someone, so imagine a supreme

[visual merlin]

Yea, pretty sure if this was what you already thought, you wouldn't be arguing for it. But sure, if you're agreeing now thats fine

[formal bridge]

Roger had cancer guys

[spring anvil]

I was arguing its not impossible not that its a valid theory, you literally dont listen lmao

[pure raven]

pirates are gay anyways

[echo plank]

although they got control over their weapon so probably not

[spring anvil]

im not gonna read anymore expired

[visual merlin]

Lots of things are not impossible, and you're not helping your case with these comments

[spring anvil]

I dont have a case anymore so

[echo plank]

damn

[pure raven]

luffy lost some of his lifespan while impeldown. what if roger exchanged some life for big meme porneglphy?

[echo plank]

there's that, maybe it's an overexerting of their haki that does it

[spring anvil]

Maybe

[pure raven]

big mom thought it is a good deal cuz roger has a insean spirit

[cinder void]

Guys, BlackBeard don't use a claw right. So what could have scar shanks like that:

[visual merlin]

he used to use a claw

[pure raven]

btw big mom is the meme of the yonkos like buggy was the one from 7 warlords. thats why she is the big meme

[spring anvil]

he had a claw

[cinder void]

||inb4 he is mythological zoan model Cerberus||

[pure raven]

his zoan df

[spring anvil]

ok hear me out i might triigger expired again, BB has the octopus fruit

[echo plank]

straight from glr

[cinder void]

how do you know that?

[nimble hinge]

It's been around for a few years. Well before GLR.

[echo plank]

it's fine though he has some nice ideas sometimes

[cinder void]

octopi do not have claw. Dogs have

[spring anvil]

dont octopus kinda have claws? or is that squid

[echo plank]

I haven't been here for a few years

[cinder void]

nah they have tentacles

[spring anvil]

well i dont think he's a octopus bc he has claws

[pure raven]

bb has the ashura df!

[cinder void]

waaaait where is that from?

[spring anvil]

Octopus have 3 hearts which could explain why he can have multiple df's

[spring anvil]

BB has always been depicted with claws in the past at least

[formal bridge]

I am surprised nobody till now has octopus devil fruit i mean Japan love tentacles

[cinder void]

oh interested thanks. I didn't know that

[young dew]

LOL

[spring anvil]

Exactly BB is gonna be the tentacle hentai character

[nimble hinge]

Mythical Zoan: Kraken is one of the older BB theories. The Nika mythology has added more fuel to them recently though

[formal bridge]

I meant they like eating octopus don't think vulgar things

[spring anvil]

XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[nimble hinge]

The Resin Fairy and Enemy Octopus or whatever it is.

[timber onyx]

Im thinking Kaido might be a good guy. Because maybe all this time he was trying to free the world, he even told king that he was "the only one who could do it". What if he recognized luffy's fruit from the beginning, and knowing he was joyboy, all this time he was trying to awaken it. Im saying that al this time Kaido has also been working to achieve the dawn, he just gad to force it out of luffy through villainous methods.

[spring anvil]

most people aren't "bad" in one piece

[formal bridge]

@nimble hinge kraken existed in sea luffy fought it

[nimble hinge]

And Dragons have existed yet a mythical Zoan dragon is still a fruit.

[vivid cradle]

1043 he went down and said to wano ppl yo go back to being slaves. Though i wont rule out that something might happen

[timber onyx]

Perhaps kaido has been looking for joyboy this whole time, after accepting it isn't him

[cinder void]

so good that he let an asshole give smiles to an entire village and enslaved an entire country to make weapons.

[formal bridge]

Oh yeah 20 years wano oppression just for luffy

[spring anvil]

@timber onyx he still hopes to become joyboy, which is why he was manufacturing zoans, he wanted to make the nika fruit maybe?

[formal bridge]

It was not western type dragon that was shown in east blue though

[timber onyx]

To bring out the liberator of the world you must bring ultimate oppression

[cinder void]

there is surely something to do with the nika fruit. It can't be a coincidence that the ones which fail remove the ability to express negative emotions

[timber onyx]

I think he has been trying to recreat the nika fruit to forcefully bring joyboy back

[spring anvil]

or become him

[timber onyx]

Why would he try to recreate a fruit that he cannot eat otherwise?

[spring anvil]

ahhhh true i forgot

[nimble hinge]

Eastern Dragon is how we categorize it. I don't believe the manga itself denotes it as a eastern dragon. And if it does, that only suggests that Eastern and Western dragons had to have existed to make that denotation.

[cinder void]

maybe he wanted to measure himself to the ultimate fruit. He's always looking to show he is the mightest

[vivid cradle]

I think kaido is gonna do a fly into the sunset, and leave wano and return later in the series. Like, nobody normal can kill him, and i dont think one piece will go dark

[timber onyx]

I think that because kaido is obsessed with joyboy, knowing hw isnt it, then he at least would like to be part of the process of bringing him back. Which he has achieved.

[formal bridge]

@nimble hinge also if you even take dinosaur in little garden and df of paypay and ulti they are ancient zoan not mythical. Mythical zoan are those that we can't see in present day opverse.

[cinder void]

yeah it could be

[nimble hinge]

Yeah, it's never called Eastern Dragon in the manga itself.

But we have seen dragons in present day One Piece. Punk Hazard had multiple. Monsters, which is canon (depending on how you interpret it), also had a dragon.

[formal bridge]

It's not called that but anything similar doesn't exist

[nimble hinge]

Anything similar would be a dragon. Which do, and have existed.

[dark aurora]

what are you guys talking about?
(jus joined in)

[proud kernel]

Except do flamingo he was bad

[timber onyx]

@dark aurora

[formal bridge]

I am trying to say that mythical zoan are df that imitate species that don't have similar animals in present opverse if they are present they are ancient zoan not mythical.

[proud kernel]

I thought mythical zoans were based on mythology 💀

[dark aurora]

thx, also interesting theory.
although i feel kaido would have a reaction to his new form if he were trying to activate G-5.

[formal bridge]

Not present in present opverse means myth right.

[nimble hinge]

Luffy's fruit is seemingly based on a real person. So Mythical Zoan's can exist in the world.

[vivid cradle]

Kaido, good nah.. kaido returns for his own reasons, maybe. Thats what i think. Maybe in a final super battle

[dark aurora]

wait, if zoans are based on mythology's, does that mean jesus is a fruit?

[formal bridge]

It's based on god that hasn't been seen in present

[dark aurora]

cause buddha is 😳

[kindred condor]

I think luffy is in his hybrid mode already

[timber onyx]

Im not saying he's good, Im just saying he wants to be part of the dawn

[nimble hinge]

But a god that exists nonetheless, based on what we know so far. I don't understand why it needs to exist now? The fact that it existed at all should be enough

[vivid cradle]

I suppose we need to learn more about rocks, and see how it plays into it all

[nimble hinge]

Unless you believe the DF of those mythical creatures can only exist after the mythical creature has died? Which wouldn't make much sense at all.

[formal bridge]

Meaning of myth a traditional story, especially one concerning the early history of a people or explaining a natural or social phenomenon, and typically involving supernatural beings or events. Get it?

[nimble hinge]

Do you believe Nika was a real thing in One Piece or not? IF it was, any of the other Mythical Zoans can have existed as real beings. It's that simple.

[timber onyx]

But if they existed, they wouldnt be mythical. They would be ancient zoans

[formal bridge]

It could have existed but people forgot and it remains a myth.

[nimble hinge]

A myth can still be based on real things. The entirety of it isn't true, but enough of it can be.

[timber onyx]

Wouldnt that be called a legend tho?

[formal bridge]

There's no legend according to oda what can i do about it

[timber onyx]

No, what Im trying to distinguish is the difference between myth and legend

[nimble hinge]

And that's obvious enough with the new fruit. Unless you believe Nika never existed.

The facts are:
We have a mythical Zoan, Model Nika
We have had references to a real being, called Sun God Nika.

So unless you think Oda meant to call it an ancient Zoan instead, clearly the mythical creatures can exist.

[formal bridge]

I googled this

[formal bridge]

I never said they didn't i said they don't now

[timber onyx]

Like a legend would be something that might have existed or happened, and a myth is something that has no foundation, like a dragon (in our world), for example

[nimble hinge]

This conversation started with the Kraken topic. You replying to a Mythical Kraken Zoan by saying "But Krakens already exist"

I'm showing why that doesn't mean the fruit can't exist. Because clearly the mythical beings can still be real and the fruit be real at the same time.

[formal bridge]

Yeah i meant they should not be mythical but ancient @nimble hinge

[nimble hinge]

Why can't it be mythical?

[formal bridge]

It exists

[timber onyx]

The kraken?

[nimble hinge]

So does Sun God Nika. Is Luffy's fruit an Ancient Zoan?

[formal bridge]

Just like dinosaur

[timber onyx]

Im so lost rn

[formal bridge]

Bro i gave you definition of myth already.

Read it carefully

[timber onyx]

Mythical beings don't exist, that's why they're mythical

[nimble hinge]

There's multiple definitions. A myth can use real things, as long as some parts are not real.

[nimble hinge]

Does Sun God Nika exist or no?

[timber onyx]

But then the whole thing isn't real

[nimble hinge]

No, that's not how it works. There are plenty of myths that explain real events by adding an aspect that isn't real. Real people, mixed in with fake events, etc.

[formal bridge]

Difference between myth and ancient is that myth has been forgotten but some parts remain and ancient means it is remembered and has proof of existence

[timber onyx]

Does a pheonix exist? As long as marco is in phoenix form the answer would be yes. But while he's not in that form then no, because Phoenix dont exist

[nimble hinge]

As long as some aspect of the story is exaggerated and not real, it counts as a myth. But the people involved can 100% be real.

[timber onyx]

Yeah but what Im saying is that if you grab a real event and explain it with lies, the the whole thing isnt real... even though it has factual bases

[nimble hinge]

But the individual aspects are not fake as a result.

Sun God Nika, can be a real being, but some of the things ascribed to him can be fake. And it becomes a myth.

[formal bridge]

Also it wasn't nika that existed 800 years ago but joyboy

[nimble hinge]

We don't actually know this yet.

[timber onyx]

Its like saying that I went flying to class today. Do I exist? Yes. Can I fly? No. So the myth would be a caasttroo that can fly. Which isnt real.

[formal bridge]

That's what myth is called

[nimble hinge]

We know of JoyBoy. We know of Sun God Nika. We don't know what they're entire relationship is yet.

[formal bridge]

Myth is something we don't have concrete evidence about

[nimble hinge]

For example, Siddhartha existed. 100% real. But some of the things he was believed to be real, were myths.

The same applies here. Sun God Nika can 100% be a real being, as long as some of the things applied to him are myths.

[timber onyx]

You could have a flying cassttroo df because that being doesnt exist

[formal bridge]

What is cassttroo

[nimble hinge]

Can you claim Siddhartha or Jesus didn't exist just because some of the things people claim they could do are myths? The same thing applies here. You can't claim Sun God Nika didn't exist, simply because there are myths ascribed to him.

[timber onyx]

Its like sengoku's df, buddha DID exist, however he did not have those powers, so you can have a powered buddha df because that being with those characteristics does not exist

[nimble hinge]

In fact, there's evidence that both Jesus and Siddhartha existed. So being apart of a myth doesn't erase your entire existence.

[timber onyx]

I am

[nimble hinge]

This is exactly what I'm arguing for, mate. You're AGREEING with me.

[formal bridge]

I never said they didn't existed i am saying we don't have concrete evidence they existed as people depict.

[timber onyx]

Thats what Im saying, if there was a jesus df it would be mythical because it has all the mythical powers. If it was just a df that turns you into a human that looks like jesus then it would be ancient.

[nimble hinge]

Yes, so this circles back to my point that there can be a mythical Kraken Zoan.

[timber onyx]

Lmao I guess we are

[nimble hinge]

While the other person is claiming it HAS to be an ancient Zoan

[formal bridge]

@timber onyx do you think kraken fruit will be ancient or mythical.

[timber onyx]

In one piece world or our world?

[twin widget]

didn't ask me, but probably mythical

[formal bridge]

We cannot have it in our world ofcourse.

[formal bridge]

Did you see fishman arc.

[nimble hinge]

Again, just because it exists, doesn't mean a mythical Kraken fruit can't exist.

[twin widget]

oh yeah i forgot about that kraken from fmi

[timber onyx]

In our world its a mythical, because krakens dont exist. In one piece world it would just be a zoan because they do exist. However if it was a kraken with special powers then it would be a mythical zoan

[nimble hinge]

Buddha existed and there's a mythical Buddha fruit. Dragons exist, and there is a mythical dragon zoan

[timber onyx]

Yeah but the buddha fruit is a mythical because of all the added mythical powers that the real buddha didnt actually have

[formal bridge]

Also another thing to notice is that mythical zoan has supernatural powers but kraken doesn't.

[nimble hinge]

And who's to say this Kraken fruit can't have extra powers?

He keeps saying it must be an ancient Zoan, but isn't providing any reasoning for it MUST be the case.

[formal bridge]

Then it wouldn't be kraken.

[twin widget]

Cthulhu fruit

[nimble hinge]

Mythical Kraken mate. Just like how there's a MYTHICAL Dragon fruit.

[timber onyx]

What Im saying is that if the kraken fruit is just a normal kraken, then its just a normal zoan fruit, like a cow fruit or whatever. If the kraken fruit gives you a kraken with extra powers then its a mythical zoan

[nimble hinge]

Which is why I said Mythical Kraken from the very start. There's dragon fruits, and there's the mythical dragon fruit. Both can exist.

[pure raven]

Do yall think bb crew is on whole cake island?? The people near the cake building may be the bb crew

[formal bridge]

You already know power of kraken right. How can a fruit creat powers that kraken doesn't gave.

[nimble hinge]

Unless you're suggesting that before Kaido came into play, you'd have argued that a mythical dragon fruit couldn't have existed, simply because dragons already did

[timber onyx]

Yes

[timber onyx]

Do you think the real buddha had shockwave fists?

[nimble hinge]

This is starting to get tedious. Look at Kaido's fruit. That should answer all your questions as to how it's possible for there to be a mythical Kraken fruit.

[formal bridge]

That's why it is myth we don't know in opverse.

[formal bridge]

I am trying to say we haven't seen kaidos dragon in wild

[timber onyx]

Dude, its not that hard to understand. If the fruit has powers that the ACTUAL CREATURE does not have, then the creature created by the fruit is a mythical zoan

[nimble hinge]

And you wouldn't have seen a MYTHICAL Kraken in the wild either.

[timber onyx]

Exactly

[formal bridge]

We don't know if those creatures had that power

[timber onyx]

DUDE IF YOU SEE A MYTHICAL CREATURE IN THE WILD IT IMMEDIATELY STOPS BEING MYTHICAL

[formal bridge]

But we have seen a kraken. And it doesn't have any power.

[lunar shell]

What is the argue here I'll solve it.

[nimble hinge]

And we have seen a dragon, and it doesn't have any extra powers.

[formal bridge]

That's what I am trying to say we saw a kraken in wild.

[timber onyx]

Garp sensei is arguing that a kraken df is a mythical zoan in op

[lunar shell]

Sure it is, why ?

[formal bridge]

I said it's ancient. Don't mix it

[nimble hinge]

No, he's arguing that a Mythical Kraken Zoan can't exist, because we've already seen a Kraken.

[lunar shell]

Really ? But Dragon are confirmed to have existed, and Kaido fruit is mythological, doesnt this solve the issue ?

[nimble hinge]

Which would be the same as arguing that a Mythical Dragon Zoan couldn't have existed back in PH

[timber onyx]

Yes. And Ive said it twice. If you eat a kraken df and you turn into a NORMAL KRAKEN, then you ate a normal zoan df. If you eat a kraken df and it turns you into a crazy kraken with extra powers then you ate a MYTHICAL ZOAN DF

[pure raven]

Kaidou dont have a dragon df tho

[formal bridge]

We haven't seen kaidos dragon though and never seen it's power but we have seen kraken

[nimble hinge]

His Fruit is the Fish Fish Zoan, Mythical Model: Azure Dragon.

[formal bridge]

It's fish

[shrewd basalt]

Isnt kaido a mythical fish or someshit

[pure raven]

Oh im trippin thought it was a fish

[pure raven]

??

[shrewd basalt]

My mans magikarp

[lunar shell]

I see whats going on here

[nimble hinge]

It is. Like how Luffy is now the Human Human fruit user.

[pure raven]

Might be only one or two to get the ponyglyph or else idk

[timber onyx]

Kraken is just a big octopus, if a kraken df turns you into a big octopus with extra powers, then its mythical, if not then its just normal zoan

[formal bridge]

@timber onyx how can you call it kraken then if original doesn't have powers

[timber onyx]

Bro what?

[formal bridge]

It can't be called kraken maybe cthulu because we have seen that original kraken creature in op doesn't have any power

[pure raven]

Mythical creatures dont exist anymore i think thats what makes them mythical

[timber onyx]

Lets say I eat a cow df.

If cow df turns me into a normal cow, then I ate a cow zoan df.

If cow df turns me into lazer beam shooting cow, the I ate a mythical cow zoan df.

[lunar shell]

So you guys think ( I would tend to agree ) that mythological are born from story instead of supernatural creature or being that actually existed ?

[pure raven]

They existed in ancient times

[oblique isle]

Hey remember when they did zoans wre the most powerful fruit and we all were like yeah right all zoans get they but kicked other than luccie and kaku!

[timber onyx]

If they existed they would be ancient

[nimble hinge]

No, I think both those things can be true. Luffy's fruit is proof of that.

[formal bridge]

You become a cow god not normal cow

[oblique isle]

Well eat it other fruits!

[pure raven]

Like all the dinosaurs arent they mythical ? Or only ancient ?

[timber onyx]

I think youre just trolling tbh and I wont continue this conv

[lunar shell]

Oh you are about : you can't find any mythological in the wild, they are long gone

[nimble hinge]

As long as some aspect of the being is untrue, then it's still a myth.

[timber onyx]

Dinosaurs are ancient

[oblique isle]

But will we get a human human fruit model Jesus! Or Mohammed!

[pure raven]

Yeahh so many new df we will see

[tawdry bramble]

Honestly a mythological angel fruit could be legit

[oblique isle]

Oh maybe buddhaa!!!!! Oh wait no already

[formal bridge]

@timber onyx let me explain another way if you eat normal inu inu fruit you turn normal dog if you eat ancient you become some ancient species of dog if you eat myth you become the one kaidos daughter has

[timber onyx]

Thats exactly what im saying

[formal bridge]

Me too but i am saying you can't be the same species we have seen in fishman island arc.

[pure raven]

Yeah anyway mythical zoans are unique

Theres not two creature like a mythical its a unique animal

[timber onyx]

Yeah because if the species exists or has existed before, then its not mythical.

[pure raven]

They can exist but be unique ?

Youre in one piece so of course the mythical creature already existed

[formal bridge]

Yeah doesn't that just means it's not normal kraken we have seen and thus not mythical.

[timber onyx]

Yes

[formal bridge]

At last i made you understand my pov

[timber onyx]

I think we agree lmao

It was just hard to express ourselves correctly imo

[pure raven]

I wonder if we will see the death df

Instant death when he touch you lol

[formal bridge]

I was just saying to him if a person becomes same as the kraken we have seen he will be ancient zian user

[timber onyx]

I hope that after op ends, we still get non canon movies

[ebon cloak]

but who classifies it as mythical

[pure raven]

Only oda lol

[nimble hinge]

Except you replied to me talking about a Mythical Kraken, by saying we've already seen a Kraken.

[timber onyx]

Nah bro read chat we went through this too much lol

[formal bridge]

@nimble hinge i was talking just about kraken you brought supernatural powers

Normal kraken that we saw can only become ancient zoan

[nimble hinge]

Other way around mate.

[formal bridge]

Supernatural powers anywhere?

[nimble hinge]

First two words in my post are Mythical Zoan

[formal bridge]

That's you though

[nimble hinge]

And you replied to me. Saying "Kraken existed in sea"

[formal bridge]

Yeah

[nimble hinge]

You're replying to me talking about Mythical Krakens. Not regular Krakens

[formal bridge]

I just said kraken never said the one with supernatural power

[nimble hinge]

So then why reply at all? I wasn't talking about Krakens. I was talking about Mythical Krakens.

Anyways, it's done with. Already been tedious enough

[formal bridge]

Coz there was only one kraken existed in op till now

[nimble hinge]

I can't be bothered to go around in yet another circle.

[formal bridge]

I guess my bad for mixing up

[lunar shell]

I can't figure out the "how devil fruits are made"

[oblique isle]

So I think black beards secret is he knew if you eat a zoan you can't eat other fruits. Because the devil in zoans are the will that's attached but other fruits as far as we know don't have wills

[formal bridge]

That took you too long to type

[oblique isle]

So black beard probably already knew this and kenw he could eat two fruits

[lime cape]

When the bee goes to the flower...

[formal bridge]

That is why even non living tings can eat that fruit

[small forum]

its kind of weird there's a "devil" fruit of a "god"

[lunar shell]

I mean if vegapunk can create through scientific mean a fruit like momo have, it leads to me think the answer lie in " the ancient civilisation that was erased was really advanced and created those fruits, they where called demon cuz nobody could understand such a technology "

[formal bridge]

In some mythology it is believed devil is a creation of god

[lunar shell]

Then the winner that defeated them were call Gods cuz Gods defeat demon

[fathom matrix]

I think the idea was they spawned from a devil or were made by them?

In the context of people thought that in the one piece world

Hell

I believe there are 3 generations of devil fruits.

OH I JUST REALISED! What if the 3 classes of devil fruits match the 3 ancient weapons?

A Zoan represents's Shirohoshi being the reincarnation of Posiden, who can controll the sea kings

A Paramecia represents Pluton, as it's a weapon and takes in manufactured/miscelanious concepts.

A Logia represents Uranos, and it's weather based and can control/create wheather?

So it's Wild Life, Weaponry and Weather?

[modest skiff]

Not necessarily. Modern synthetic chemistry can’t come close to doing what human bodies do. Modern computers are less efficient than human brains. Lots of examples of nature being significantly better than machines or technology

[lunar shell]

Hum. I'm also being bothered by the " sea " and " sea stone " that weaken the user.

There must be a link

[tropic gale]

Zunesha is pluton and the sword on onigashima belongs to zunesha as well..my theory

[fierce shale]

This theory is from Sawyer7. I thought it might be interesting to post this. Back in chapter 19, Luffy was sitting on a box that said “Danger” and was inspecting a hippo. That hippo had a swirly symbol on it. He thinks it could be foreshadowing Blackbeard having a hippo mythical zoan

[vestal orbit]

His animal resemblance is a hippo iirc might be a bit on the nose

[small forum]

nah its gonna be a frog zoan

[raw spear]

since no one in the wb crew ever said anything about bb not being able to swim im going to theorize that yami is either a gomu kept secret that not even the wg had any idea about or it has an ability that allowed him to get wbs fruit without going boom this would also make sense why his logia doesnt work in the usual logia way

if oda made bb have a mythical zoan too it would be too simple

[abstract pond]

But we know pluton is a ship with bluepritns

[small forum]

wondering if theres any other fruits that have been lies of the world government and are actually something completely different could deffo see the ope ope no mi being something else tying into the immortality surgery that doflamingo of all people knew about

[balmy frost]

I forgot who, but I was listening to someone yesterday say this about the Yami-yami no mi, since it doesn’t really work like other logias

[rapid oxide]

can someone tell me all the blackbeard theories

[balmy frost]

Another thought I had that I’m sure I’m not the first to have. What are peoples thoughts on dragons fruit being the human-human fruit, model Susanoo, and that being the god of storms from skypeia?

Edit: it’s actually the god of rain but same point

[pure raven]

No this was foreshadowing the hippo guy in Udon Prison

[small forum]

one fruit i see us getting based on real life gods will prob be in elbaf were oda gives us thor or odin whichever one oda thinks would be cooler

[pure raven]

Wapol's fruit is really the JoyBoy Joyboy no Mi

[small forum]

its actually the house house no mi it gives him the power to become the house

[pure raven]

The first theory is that he is actually Black. The 2nd theory is he has a really bad sunburn

[rapid oxide]

i think the first theory is correct

[pure raven]

Not til oda confirms it

[rapid oxide]

we'll see ig

[pure raven]

Shanks was warning the Gorosei of a Race War

[vale current]

Interesting. What about his scar? That has a shandora style

[balmy frost]

That’s a good point to, def not an accident

[flat rover]

do you think luffy might die by the end of one piece

[mild crag]

When it comes to defending wano after luffy leaves, and the argument that Yamato has to stay because she’s the sole person strong enough to ensure it remains safe. I don’t think enough credit is given to the fact that Momo is a biologically 28 year old dragon zoan. So what that he’s got the mind of an eight year old. The World Government don’t know that. In their eyes one dragon gets replaced by another, in a nation under the protection of the dual yonko defeating strawhat pirates flag, which may well also have Zunesha docked next to it and the entire mink nation backing them up.
As well as still having it’s murder currents and natural defences.
I don’t think the wg has any chance of besieging wano and aren’t dumb enough to try when they should be chasing luffy and blackbeard

[lyric berry]

Why does “someone strong” even need to stay behind? The people need to fend for themselves. The straw hats have left numerous locations without ensuring safeguards… fishman island, dressrosa, even alabasta

[balmy frost]

So that makes me think of another point, after wano is over who are the new yonko? Big mom and kaido are probably out right? So does law make it? Does it go back to 4 or stay at “5” with kidd being named one?

[lyric berry]

Big Mom would probably remain IMO

[modest skiff]

Btw congrats on it not being resin

[mild crag]

People seem to think that the wg will charge in and take it over after the power vacuum.
I don’t much agree myself but, wanted to put out my reasons why it wouldn’t. Luffy is definitely making this his first official protected territory as a recognised yonko

[lyric berry]

Thanks man. Been a big week for me. Not that crazy of a revelation considering if it was anything other than resin I’d be right lol

[modest skiff]

True, definitely easier to say “isn’t” rather than “is”

[lyric berry]

Yup also I had no alternatives/big brain theories of my own

[mild crag]

Resin fans always irked me for how determined they were on it just being something vaguely different rather than something that’s actually worth changing for. Swapping rubber for kinda rubber but slightly different is a waste thematically speaking
Also nice bird pfp my gf collects those

[errant nova]

I hear you, I think it was less the idea of resin and more all the insane “clues” that seemed to reinforce it that had people confident

[mild crag]

It’s kinda why it irks me, it becomes clear it’s more them getting too deep into a theory than anything, so that everything becomes a clue.
That kind of stuff has always been the bane of proper theory making in my opinion, fills the channels up with chaff from people thinking in a shortsighted way full of assumptions

If I have hear “oda said this thing that makes my theory true but I refuse to source that claim” one more time I’m going hakuba on the entire theory community

I just want to debate the potential meanings behind established fact and try and guess what bizarre stuff will come next

[desert notch]

The resin theory was so stupid lmao

[tiny hatch]

you guys think we gonna get any new crew members from wano

I want yamato to join it just fits the whole oden thing but who knows

[mild crag]

I think yamato’s pretty well propped to come aboard, either that or she’s gonna roll off on her own adventure as an allu

I’m unsure how luffy will take the whole “full body and soul emulation” meme she has going on though, might be a hard discussion about having your own dream as yourself not just piggybacking someone else’s, because this is just heavy peter pan syndrome and he doesn’t tend to be up for playing games like this, like with rebecca

[desert notch]

You lyin. One piece fans don’t have a gf

[tiny hatch]

I wouldn't say piggy backing she looks up to oden even idolizing him to the point of want to be him

yamato's dream is essentially going on a journey and being free

[mild crag]

She’s also clearly abandoned her own identity to be him, because being the abused imprisoned daughter of a bastard ain’t half as nice as being oden. Being true yo yourself is a big theme in onepiece after all.
I can see it settling down into being admiration without as much emulation, as she becomes more proud to be herself, and sets aside the duty of being ofen and protecting wano; to be Yamato and explore the seas

[mild crag]

Literally watching one piece episode 915 together, can’t wait until we catch up so I can harass her with theories 😎

[tiny hatch]

idk she wants to be free and the only person she has ever known or heard of that was free the way she wanted to be was oden

[mild crag]

True, but outright emulation has been played for humour for a reason, it’s not a healthy way to think so it makes other people think she’s crazy. That’s something that’ll need to be addressed if she’s on the crew. Luffy won’t want an actor playing the part of oden

[tardy flare]

Spoilers for 1044 is ok in this channel right?

[vale current]

Official chp is out. You can post but put a spoiler tag I guess

[tardy flare]

Ok sweet

||so where y’all think gear 5th Luffy stacks up in power compared to the big dons of the world??||

[vale current]

And This type of convo is in #manga

[tiny hatch]

he invited a skeleton with an afro that wanted to see some underwear I am sure he is willing

[tardy flare]

Ah ok thanks man

[mild crag]

Lets not normalise yamato’s trauma into a character quirk so quickly. Big difference between innately strange like chopper and brook, and having emotional/mental issues like nami’s betrayal and usopps arrogance. Issues that conflict with the characters ability to be free in body and mind are always dealt with

[feral rock]

since zoros left eye is kept shut after the timeskip i think that his closed eye is actually covering some ability that is extremely powerful like similar to the rinnegan from naruto

[pure raven]

I wanted to bring something up that I thought might be possible and really cool. Someone in a livestream had said that every devil fruit user in the straw hats (Luffy, chopper, robin, and brook) all have a version of the hito-hito no mi. I really liked this because luffy and chopper are confirmed. The reaper we saw thay wasn't brook could be his awakening of a reaper since it looked like brook and is soul related. Robin has had different stages where she grows new limbs throughout the series and now demonio fleur is a culmination or complete form of her zoan being some sort of demon.

[balmy frost]

Sage of six swords zoro

[feral rock]

i guess but since it zoro it would probs be related to a demon because during his fight with king zoro said he would become the king of demons

[shut heath]

Theory nugget for thought:

What if Zoro's 9 Sword Style was an early manifestation of his Conquerer's Haki, not yet complete in nature but enough to add to his attacks.

Once Zoro masters the ability, perhaps it could manifest fully as its Asura form whenever he wishes, as well as theoretically bringing his killing intent to life by helping visualize it to enemies.

If you remember, Zoro has only ever (canonically) used Asura in a state of emotional extreme and at his physical limitation, first with Kaku at Enes Lobby (After Giraffe boy insults Robin repeatedly and Zoro has taken quite a bit of abuse), 2nd with the Pacifista at Sabaody (Desperation to save his crew mates while at his physical limit from recovering at Thriller Bark), and finally most recently against Kaido (when he directed his serious focus and killing intent at him in an effort to end the battle).

The latter of which is when Kaido noted that Zoro also posseses the Conqueror's Haki.

[feral rock]

if Zoro gets his own black blade it will be called akuma because during his fight with king zoro said that he will become the king of demons and akuma in japanese means devil king

[azure dust]

Yamato joining the crew im 99% sure

[shut heath]

Wado Ichimonji will probably be the one. I'd like to see a scene of Zoro in Limbo with Kuina, who encourages him to keep going, and that he has to achieve their dream for the both of them. Zoro states that he wishes she could be here, but It's then that we visually see Kuina hand him Wado Ichimonji and states that she is, and always has been.

As soon as he takes the sword, he comes back to life, and Wado Ichimonji goes from being white to a stark black, now a fully Black Blade

[azure dust]

Zoro getting 3 black blades

[mental crag]

feed his blades mythical zoans

[shut heath]

Highly possible tbh, but I'd like to see Wado Ichimonji be the first

[azure dust]

Nothing less from the right hand of the Pirate King Rubber God

[shut heath]

It's the one that he's always had and it holds a lot of symbolism

[azure dust]

same fosho

[mental crag]

if he were to i think it'll be over time

[torpid mist]

Yamato's initial dream, to leave Wano, was really pathetic compared to most strawhat dreams, so i didn't see it as realistic. Now Yamato has a potentially a new dream (finishing Oden's journal by adding back the missing pages). But its still weak as hell. My original theory is still my headcanon - I really think Yamato will stay in wano as the shogun and protector

And, unfortunately, momo will prolly join

[azure dust]

I actually think Momo wont join even tho I want him to haha, opposite of your view

Even tho hes mentally still a 8 year old, his dream to be shogun is sitting right in front of him after the war

[mental crag]

i feel like momo's supposed to be the shogun, he's literally the symbol of hope for the rebellion

[torpid mist]

I see Usopp and momo helping eachother become brave warriors in the Elbaf arc

[shut heath]

I'd like to think Yamato joins to help Luffy and also understand what Oden saw and risked so much for, but also later on gains the same sort of brotherly relationship with Luffy to honor Ace

Either that or Yamato takes over the Beast Pirates and basically makes them an ally crew of the Straw Hat Grand Fleet

[feral rock]

now that luffy is now joyboy we probs might never see luffy again because joyboy would take over luffy's body for the rest of the series e.g. in tokyo ghoul haise disappeared and kaneki took over his body

[azure dust]

Id say Yamato has done more than the bare minimum to become Nakama

plus Yamato has a mythical zoan and can immediately be the one to show Luffy how to understand his new abilities after Wano

[feral rock]

zoan types are confusing in my eyes because of the different names and models of the fruit

[azure dust]

yeah they sure can be confusing

[edgy fiber]

Wait, what’s her fruit?

[azure dust]

Dog Dog fruit model Makami

which is an ancient wolf with ice powers, guardian deity of Wano

[edgy fiber]

Oh ok

[edgy fiber]

I think that they call Luffy Joyboy because he has the same fruit and that he is destined to liberate the slaves and stuff. I don’t think Joyboy will actually take over his body. Whenever they mentioned Joyboy in the past it was either the guy that wrote the poneglyph 800 years ago and made a promise with the fish men. But Roger says that he’s a man that’ll be born in the future that will surpass them all

I’m thinking it’ll more like a nickname

[latent lodge]

The one piece is meat
luffy = nika
meat = niku

[weak lava]

That’d be so funny.

[latent lodge]

Now i will give you a better one

One Piece is whatever Joyboy want the one piece to be

[unkempt quest]

Guys why the spoiler thread is locked? Where people discuss possible spoiler? Or everything outside that channel is considered fake?

[shut heath]

Spoiler thread is locked since 1044 came out today, and won't be opened til we get 1045's spoilers, which will probably be Tuesday/Wednesday

[shut heath]

You can always keep track of a Zoan Fruit by remembering that it's a General animal type, then the model is a specific species.

For instance, there are 3 overall Bug-Bug Fruits (Insects), with the specific models being a Rhinoceros Beetle, Hornet, and Caterpillar.

Likewise the Mutt-Mutt Fruit (Dogs) has approximately 7 or so different "models":
• Daschund (weenier dog)
• Jackal
• Wolf
• Dalmatian
• Tanuki
• Nine-Tailed Fox
• Okuchi no Makami

[gentle lily]

I rarely see this talked about on here, but I feel like this is really important. Yall remember the St. Briss from Jaya, well I rarely see anyone talk about the map on it (Chapter 220). This is one of the only maps we have of the grand line in full, and I've never been able to figure out what is that object on the other side of RM. Could anyone help?

[pure raven]

the other half of the grand line

[gentle lily]

I meant the object

[pure raven]

that's on the calm belt so likely a sea king

[gentle lily]

Yeah thats what I've always assumed. It just looks a lot more distinct though

[pure raven]

that map is like 20 pixels at best so like idk about that one chief

[gentle lily]

well yeah lol

but I would like to think it would mean that that ship was able to go through the GL in full, but I would doubt that

[pure raven]

the marines and the Kuja already have those type of ships

[gentle lily]

yeah but isnt that a recent development, since vegapunk created that tech

[steady dust]

Kuja's "tech" is definitively older than Vegas'

There are also individuals powerful enough to just travel the calm belt on a row boat or by swimming

[pure raven]

most people are not the quality of man rayleigh is

[upbeat latch]

Theory: I think what made Luffy awaken wasn't his supposed "death." Throughout the story, Luffy has been shown to have this intense desire to liberate those around him. And going from island to island intensified these feelings for him. We even see how Kaido was surprised by Luffy's snakeman form. He said "Rubber shouldn't be able to do this!" This means that Luffy started his awakening way earlier in the series. The "death" wasn't the only thing that made him awaken. It was his intense desire to liberate Wano. Luffy wants to make it a place where Tama can eat whatever she wants everyday 😭 . The primary reason that made Luffy awaken wasn't his death. It was his desire to liberate Wano. Hence, the Warrior of Liberation.

[silver smelt]

Here is my theory
Zoro ||as a pirate hunter is waiting luffy reward goes up so he can capture him and deliver to marine||

[pure raven]

meh

[upbeat latch]

I tried lol 😅

[torpid swallow]

I have theory maybe, the people who say there devil fruit name as an attack, like luffy and buggy, they acutally don't know there acutal name for there devil fruit name just name them based what the fruit do?

[pure raven]

The Issue I take with it specifically is more that people overhype and over think Luffy as the protagonist. Luffy's incredibly emotionally intelligent and absolutely represents the ideals of freedom but to say he is magnified further by it is a complete misunderstanding imho.

Luffy doesn't save people and doesn't liberate people with the explicit goal of doing so for freedom's sake. If that were the case, then he'd be another revolutionary and he's not. Luffy explicitly time and time again shows up and espouses his ideals of freedom and it's been the thing he's done since literally chapter 1.

Every time Luffy has saved a nation or someone, it wasn't because he cares about said nation or it's people; it's because he had a personal axe to grind due to the fact that the antagonist of the arc has hurt one of his friends leading him to step into action. Something that Roger himself did time and time again in the history of One Piece.

Luffy is literally in Wano at first to unite with the other half of his crew and to beat Kaido's ass as part of his goal to become the pirate king. All the Wano and all the liberation talk is there for thematic intentions and purposes but Luffy himself only does it because he grows to care for the people (Otama). When he yells at the broken soldiers in the prison, he does so in the same vain he told Coby about freedom and basically dying for something and his cause. (And also because it's to help Momo, his friend.)

Luffy's awakening trigger could be any amount of things. It could be him dying. It could be him finally pushed beyond his limits and thus bringing it out. It could be the will of the devil fruit itself acknowledging Luffy after all this time. Whatever the cause may be.

[upbeat latch]

yeah just throwing my thoughts out there

[raw laurel]

New out there theory.

Robin is also a hito user

https://www.reddit.com/r/WildAnimeTheories/comments/tpxm38/robin_ate_the_hito_hito_model_mahadevi_fruit_as/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[shut heath]

Well don't just stand there you buffoon, if it's out there then go out and bring it inside!

[raw laurel]

What ?

[shut heath]

You said it was an "Out there" theory.

[shut heath]

Also in all seriousness while I see the point being made here, I don't think it's the case. I think Robin is either awakening her fruit or finally tapping into its full potential by manifesting herself how she wishes.

There are parallels of course but I don't think it's the case with Robin's power

[untold sluice]

So, I've had a theory for years now that the moon Enel goes to in his cover story is where the fourth Road Poneglyph lies because no one knows where it's at and now that we know about the Sun God being very important, maybe we'll learn about those weird aliens and what's going on in the Moon.

[pure raven]

if the last poneglyph is on the moon; how did it get there after Roger found it? Because Roger had to find it first and then go back to earth.

[untold sluice]

There's a lot of stuff about the Sky Islands we don't know, including the "West Gate" (I think it was called something like that) that's another entrance to the sky and we have no idea how Urouge or Kaido got up there so the Knock Up Stream was just one way.

[pure raven]

but that's not evidence. That's speculation on unfounded evidence. If you're going to suggest it's on the moon, then theoretically there should be some kind of proof you got for it otherwise it's just a nothing burger.

[raw laurel]

But here’s the thing her power doesn’t really relate to flowers all that much and why does she have the same eyes as luffy

[eternal socket]

I have a theory that the name of the Ancient Kingdom is actually "Dawn".

[untold sluice]

There's not much to go off of, I just think there because cover stories always eventually tie back into the main story and introducing the moon and aliens feels too big to just never address when it's canon.

[worthy sinew]

Kaido can literally fly so we do have an idea about that
But you're right about Urouge

[eternal socket]

Many people on One Piece talk about "The Dawn" and stuff. There is even "Romance Dawn".

[shut heath]

It's a stylistic choice. Her ability is to make her limbs (or honestly herself) Grow on any surface she has a direct line of sight to, even on other people, much like a flower.

The petals are just a stylistic manifestation of how the power behaves

[raw laurel]

And the fact that Mary was watching her ominously with the don sign over it’s head which led to nothing ?

[pure raven]

I'm going to take a stab in the dark and assume most of the "Forest god" is them drawing the connection to Robin which ehhh

[modest skiff]

Yeah I agree, I was saying the same thing. Her transformation alone is really strong evidence

[raw laurel]

No greenbull is the one I see most

[shut heath]

I think it'd be too hefty a coincidence for it to be the case.

[raw laurel]

Nothing is a coincidence in stories, Oda does this for a reason

[shut heath]

Right but remember Robin's epithet is "Demon Child" or "Devil Child". Demonio fleur is something she made to reference that, considering how others perceived her before the Straw Hats.

[pure raven]

Greenbull is super funny in his short characterization and I wanna know where Oda got the idea from

The fact Oda was able to replicate the story of Momotaro in Wano is hilarious

[modest skiff]

While that is true, all of her other techniques have always involved legs and arms and forming them into things. In her transformation, she grew sharp teeth, horns, and her entire body was extremely large. Maria is 30 ft tall. Robin broke Maria over her knee. Robin was extremely huge in that form and it was clearly not composed of a bunch of arms and legs. I think that her situation is basically exact same as Luffy and she just so happens to have found her fruit at roughly the same age as Luffy.

I think all mythical hitos have a "baseline" power which was the power the god once had. In the case of Nika, Nika had the gomu power. In the case of Robin's god power, that god had the powers we have seen Robin use until now. But then once the fruit awakens, you unlock all the capabilities the god had even beyond the baseline, which is why I think Luffy gained fire abilities slowly.

[raw laurel]

Off a Japanese actor I bet

[pure raven]

well yea but I mean lore and mythos wise

[raw laurel]

Got to wait and see what he’s like first

[pure raven]

Oda draws so much inspiration from so many different sources that the inspiration has to come from somewhere.

[modest skiff]

@shut heath here is my elaboration on what I think Devil Fruits actually are and why mythical hitos essentially have 2 layers of power: #manga-theories message

[pure raven]

Honestly speaking I’m very surprised no one has any theories about the eye situation

[formal bridge]

I don't think gorosei would erase so many fruits from history that would be more suspicious than simply hunting the df users@modest skiff

[modest skiff]

My theory is that the eyes indicate multiple wills. I think it fits well with the folks who have shown the eyes, especially Cavendish and BM

[formal bridge]

Argus Panoptes is a character in Greek mythology. He was a giant with 100 eyes on his body. Panoptes means all-seeing. Argus was a servant of the goddess Hera and he made an excellent watchman because he never fell asleep.
If you think robin is zoan type

[modest skiff]

not sure what you mean by this

what are you replying to exactly

[cyan oyster]

fake

[formal bridge]

This robin df being zoan

[strong tulip]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mRq1c15zqRN4xSep5iHwuQ2bpX-JPUtq/view

Luffy God of sun, who're the other three?

Imu/Im and Black beard two of the three? Whos the last one?

https://imgur.com/a/dagFiz9

[limber holly]

There was a theory that Robin's devil fruit was named after a mythological diety from India.

Hana Hana no Mi’ is actually ‘Hito Hito no Mi - Mythical Zoan Type - Model: 𝐃𝐔𝐑𝐆𝐀’

Durga (दुर्गा) is a major deity in Hinduism. She is worshipped as a principal aspect of the mother goddess Devi and is one of the most popular and widely revered among Indian divinities. She is associated with protection, strength, motherhood, destruction and wars. Her legend centres around combating evils and demonic forces that threaten peace, prosperity, and Dharma the power of good over evil. Durga is believed to unleash her divine wrath against the wicked for the liberation of the oppressed, and entails destruction to empower creation.

Source: Mythical zoan

[wintry agate]

hito hito death match confirmed

[ebon cloak]

chopper wins

[strong tulip]

Either way, you know how Chopper has Monster Point and all of the other points?

So those must be like his versions of Gear 1-5

changes his body and fighting style, i wonder if it was intentional to have chopper having multiple points.

Is there 5 chopper points like theres 5 gears?

[wintry agate]

luffy and sengoku gonna team up to take chopper down

[strong tulip]

or is there only 4 points that chopper has and maybe there's a 5th unrevealed point we have yet to see...

https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Hito_Hito_no_Mi

Ah, there's like 7 of them? 3 base points and the 6 rumble ball points.

BUT one thing i noticed was the babyijii is the same side effect luffy has when he uses his haki too much and ends up with a tiny body. (so almost the same but without the geezer part)

damn meant 9* lol

[green quartz]

this is when zoro will finally betray luffy and protect chopper

[formal bridge]

Where is this from

[deep egret]

Wow

Looks somewhat legit. I'm not to sure about the sword part though

[junior cape]

EVEN IF THEY"RE FAKE, DO NOT POST SPOILERS IN THIS CHANNEL

[formal bridge]

@junior cape what spoilers?

[junior cape]

They deleted them, not important anymore. Some probably fake spoilers for 1045.

[formal bridge]

Whoever posted them dm me bro

[errant rune]

About Zoro being based of Horus theory
-Horus is associated with a hawk
-Horus lost his left eye in a fight with someone
-His left eye represents the Moon and.
also "Ra(Luffy) is the god of the sun,and the King of Kings"
Zoro is also depictet as a protecter throughout the story, protecting the ship, usually protecting Luffy and the other strawhats, in multiple color spreads Oda draws the weak trio hiding behind him since they feel protected.
It's quite a reach but I feel like there are a lot of parallels

[proper hemlock]

joyboy name is binks will of d is will of dawn the transponder snails will contribute something great towards the discovery of the one piece which is sake

[desert creek]

I’m starting to believe in zkk or atleast that zoro will cut a limb off kaido

[foggy nexus]

We now know the base of what the one piece is. Joyboy is kinda confirmed to have been the previous nika fruit user. And with Luffy's awakening he turned the ground to rubber and reflected Kaido's boro breath. Its also stated by the gorosei that the nika fruit is used to put smiles on the faces of others. When Roger and crew arrived at Laughtale the only thing they could do was laugh. I propose the one piece is unobtainable unless you wield the nika fruit. The treasure itself has been turned into rubber. Maybe even the entire ancient kingdom preserved in rubber...

[errant rune]

Considering he wasn't satisfied with his "feat" against Kaido since he was "hoping to at least knock him down". and also Kaido waiting for a Samurai as great as Oden, suggests that he might at least have a 2nd chance against Kaido

[near beacon]

Well every future stuff equates to a theory, fake or not they are very much relevant to this channel. Under what capacity are you deleting them 🤬

[radiant grail]

Spittin facts

[brisk mirage]

I need next weeks chapter like I need oxygen to breathe. I’m hoping we get a better view of G5 in action before switching who we’re focusing on

[hearty osprey]

If i had to guess aside from BB being luffys g5 weakness he will also have a pretty big weakness to poisons. With all the stretching he does his arms and legs act as natural blood pumps, thus poisons would spread through his body faster than a normal human

[brisk mirage]

But with the increased freedom and rubberness, can’t Luffy just bounce the poison away from him

[hearty osprey]

Suresure

[sick vault]

Why did the world government did nothing to luffy knowing that gomu gomu fruit is actually the human human fruit that they've been looking for 800 years?

[brisk mirage]

If there was one thing that might be a threat, that Luffy wouldn’t be able to bounce away, it would be darkness and light

[hearty osprey]

Do me a favor, don't tag me unless it's a real response and not just a gag response

[brisk mirage]

That wasn’t a gag response. We just watched Luffy reflect a dragon blast by grabbing the ground. My response was 100% serious

[hearty osprey]

And besides all you would have todo would be put it in his food, he's already been shown eating pretty much anything

If sanjis sister hadn't come along he woulda already died from eating once

[pallid kite]

After a DF user dies, the DF reappears. Maybe for mystical Zoan DF, when the user dies, the “will” transfers into the DF. Next user who consumes the DF will inherit the “will”. Maybe Nika is the first “will” and got passed down to JoyBoy. After JoyBoy passed, both Nika and JoyBoy’s “will” transferred to Luffy. To manifest the previous user’s “will”, the current mystical Zoan DF user must awaken the power.

Those who knew of this secret were Gorosei, Shanks, and Kaido. Possibly more too…

[modest skiff]

I really like that

[sharp cosmos]

Why no anime theory

But only Manga theory

[pallid kite]

And maybe mystical Zoan DF takes a longer amount of time for the Nika fruit to reappear. So which is why Roger said he was born in the wrong era to meet “joyboy’s will” in the next user.

Roger had the One Piece but was in the wrong Era without the reincarnation of “JoyBoy’s will”. So the One Piece has be connected to Luffy’s DF in some way, shape, or form. For Nika/JoyBoy/Luffy to obtain/use.

[lavish mirage]

saw some spoilers earlier but they got deleted 🤔 poor people who didn't see them

[pure raven]

People keep saying the WG already knew about Luffy's fruit, but did they really? I don't really remember a particular moment in the series where Oda made it clear they did. I've always assumed most Marines just look at Luffy as a Devil Fruit eater and don't even have the time or foresight to look into WHAT he's doing.

[formal bridge]

Guys do you think bb know armament haki

[shut heath]

I'd like to think that they knew of the Gum-Gum Fruit but not what exactly it was. Only the 5 elders, presumably Im, and probably a handful of other high-ranking nobles and government figures really know Luffy's true ability, though they themselves don't have any means to confirm it as it is merely legend to them at this point.

Government agents and the Marines try to track down specific fruits to use for their own agents, and they probably came across the Gum-Gum Fruit somewhere. Seeing it was on the list of Fruit to collect, they opted to transport it, supposedly to Marijoa, but Shanks robbed the ship and took it before they could get there.

Btw considering the fact that Who's Who was an actual CP9 agent (probably the lead agent before Lucci), for shanks to have fought him and won at that stage of the series implies that he was still really strong then.

Higuma and his mountain bandit goons never had a chance.

[still yacht]

Obviously

[formal bridge]

@still yacht why he already has yami yami be doesn't need armament haki to neutralize df power

[still yacht]

I feel either ways he would know both armament and obser

[shut heath]

But going back to the 5 Elders, they're not thinking that Luffy definitely has the Nika power, but they don't want to take the chance of that being the case, which they then ordered the CP0 Agent (whom, like GrandLineReview, I like calling Bob Lucci) to kill Luffy at whatever cost, but in doing this action, they have now sealed their fate.

Imagine the 5 Elders not knowing Luffy is still alive and then when he bursts into the room at Marijoa they all have enel shock faces lmao

Irony aside, the 5 Elders really screwed the pooch with this one. In fact they screwed the pooch so hard on this one every Dog Zoan user on the planet felt it.

[hoary hatch]

My theory is that they did not in fact know. The secrecy had been so thight that even the Gorosei only recently found out. The others were just following orders without the need to know about the truth. Imu probably knew the truth, but seems like Gorosei rarely talk to them. Perhaps finally heard of Luffy and thus warned the others of the dangers he poses?

[pure raven]

imho catching Luffy and company is easier said than done

Most of the time, Luffy's legitimately gotten away before the marines could show up. Literally every time. "Why didn't they send everyone?" Send them where??? They still gotta travel. They still gotta do stuff. Garp sure as hell wasn't gonna tell them anything beyond knowing Luffy was his grandson which alone feels like it wins a lot brownie points with the marines.

And Luffy was just one of many up coming big name pirates of that year; he's in a literal sea of people most of whom do in fact cover for him in literally every other island and they therefore can't get to Luffy without their entire political strucutre falling apart

[hallow spoke]

Luffy finish move is gonna be a headbutt

[lean spade]

They literally say the WG has been trying to get the fruit for 800yrs but it escapes them every time.

And they probably unalived the guard who told Whos-Who about Nika so as to further destroy any connection.

Roger talking about being born in the wrong era probably refers to the Nika fruit deciding when it’s ready to re-emerge and be eaten, now that we know zoans have their own wills

[gritty ether]

unalived

[torpid mist]

the government is competent enough to know what guards are saying in passing to prisoners, but inept enough not to realize that one of the strongest rookies they have engaged many times shouts "gomu gomu" all the time? -_-

[barren leaf]

is there any good theory on who Whos-Who is. just another minor shoe waiting to drop

[lean spade]

There’s obviously a separation of powers in the government. A desk worker isn’t going to know the same information as the board of directors. Their only job is to follow orders.

Sure if they went after him like Robin it would raise even more attention then they want him to have

[hoary hatch]

The Gorosei act as if they had not known about Nika fruit until just now. Read their conversation about the legendart fruit. It is possible that they were after the fruit for centuries AND that the current WG leaders were unaware why the fruit was so important to them.

[slender fulcrum]

Yep.

1. Either imu told them to get the gomu without explanation
2. Either the wg got an an ancient text saying they must secure the gomu gomu with no explanation - a bit like the giant bridge constructed

[timber onyx]

Katakuri might be imprisoned by bug mom

[hoary hatch]

The most important thing in the Imu reveal was that even the Gorosei are not the true leaders and there is someone above them. Also note the ceremony when they receive orders from Imu, clearly they do not meet often. This makes it plausible that information does not flow from Imu to Gorosei often.

[mellow berry]

yo, thanks for this, interesting read

[barren pier]

I think there will be some drawbacks of gear fifth once used

[torpid mist]

expound

[supple crater]

https://imgur.com/dFa1vVM
Oda gave us hint in Skypiea that theres other devil fruits that bare the name of a "God"

Luffy: Human Human Fruit Model, Sun God
(properties of rubber)

Imu-sama or Dragon: Human Human Fruit: God of Rain
(properties of water)

Greenbull: Human Human Fruit, God of Forest
(properties of tree he only need sunlight to live thats why he didnt eat for a years)

Blackbeard: Human Human Fruit: God of Land
(have properties of quake thats why he eager to get this devil fruit)

not my theory

[barren pier]

sorry sir

[proven monolith]

not even CP0 knew the fruit was important. Only Imu knows entire truth and the 5 elders seem confused at 1st. Why would marines or anyone else go out of their way to report that a boy made of rubber showed up to someone in the Holy Land. They really wanted him dead or captured because of the trouble he was causing and seemed worried cause his name was D at 1st. But thats all that was mentioned i think

[torpid mist]

is 1044 the first time we have gotten the name of the room gorosei are in? Hall of Power or something

[proven monolith]

Even though they probably knew Shanks stole the fruit....they would never expect Shanks to let an 8 yr old kid eat it. I don't think they would ever connect the two together. Plus after Luffy ate the fruit Garp hid him with Ace in the mountains. Thats why Garp begged them to join the Marines because Ace was Rogers son and Luffy ate DF that Shanks stole from WG. He knew if they became pirates, sooner or later they would both be hunted and killed just because of how much WG feared their existence

[slate wharf]

not df that bare the name of a god but hints us that there are gods that are worshipped by ppl in skypiea. aside from the sun god who got foreshadowed multiple times now, the other 3 are literally nonexistent and i see a slim chance of this happening unless goda foreshadowed their existence in the future chapters

at this point, it only looks like u want a certain character to be or have the df modeled to a god. lol

like personally

[formal bridge]

People who thinks gorosei didn't know luffy has gomu gomu no mi his fight was broadcasted during marineford and cipher pol is literally best secret service. Also they asked cp9 agent to protect it ofcourse they knew it's importance since beginning.

[late token]

but why was who is who tasked with protecting the fruit then? To me it seems like the 5 elders and the WG knew the whole time

[formal bridge]

They knew it

[proven monolith]

yes they did eventually find out the truth about Ace and Luffy at Marineford but he went missing for 2 yrs after

[late token]

nah they had to know before. at least since enies lobby

[proven monolith]

yeah i guess, i wish that Oda would just flat out tell us

[formal bridge]

Luffy has even fought in marine base after skypiea remember there were even snail like cctv there.

[late token]

yeah he has some explaining to do with that. hope he doesnt forget like the other loose ends of wano

[proven monolith]

i know, right.. we need answers

[formal bridge]

It's just anime logic it doesn't have to make sense just like ash being 10 years old even after so many years

[proven monolith]

honestly i am new to discord and reddit. My kids don't read the manga and just watch anime and i was driving them crazy so they showed me how to get in chat room and how to post theories..We all love One Piece but they same i am an addict

[formal bridge]

@proven monolith do you give them spoilers

[proven monolith]

oh no i would never do that

i just want them to read the manga so they can understand Oda's true greatness...LMAO

[pure raven]

I watched the anime and after 1044 I heard people banging on so I had to read the manga and the manga was worth it

[proven monolith]

I only started reading manga when Wano arc started. I couldn't take not knowing what was gonna happen next... And now i see the manga is just so much better but i still Love the anime

[merry sparrow]

I like how things play out in the manga but the anime is the best way to consume it

[proven monolith]

Here is a fun theory from reddit

i couldn't understand why Oda made some of the dinosaurs abilities so ridiculous and funny but i think it was to prepare us for the possibility that Nika's ability could practically use his imagination to do almost anything. Even the "smile" DF appearances were just absurdly funny. i just think its all connected to Luffy's DF in some way

[quasi bramble]

So; something kind of creeped into my mind now that we know the truth of the Gum-Gum Fruit and it's connection to Joy Boy and Mika. What if Im, the true leader of the World Government, was the previous iteration of Joy Boy? Something I noticed when looking at Luffy's eye design in Fifth Gear (it was less noticeable in Fourth Gear) is that the design of the irises are nearly identical to Im's. Im's red iris has a ring that surrounds the pupil. It would also explain why, inspite of the World Nobles and the Five Elders, don't technically rule the world. And now that it is implied that Zoan-type fruits have wills of their own (in a sense, they're alive), it might have been possible that the fruit disassociated itself from Im of its own volition, and thus it would explain why if Im was the previous user of the fruit, losing it didn't kill him.

Sorry if this seems incoherent, my mind is continually developing this theory as I explain this.

[merry sparrow]

So Im apologized to Neptune at fishman island?

I feel like that doesn’t make sense. I like the theory tho

[quasi bramble]

I think what happened is that; in the void century, the roles were reversed: The Lost Kingdom was the world government of it's time, and the twenty nations rose up to battle against it, with Im leading the charge. And then history repeated itself overtime, with the twenty kingdoms becoming the world government we know and hated, and Im (minus the devil fruit) became what he fought against.

[latent zodiac]

Something dawned on me today...

How would you all feel if Hiyori ended up being Shogun instead of Momo?

[quasi bramble]

Again; this is just me making huge spit takes xD

[proven monolith]

i actually understand what u mean but i think Joyboy and Im could be part of the same family.. Im with immortality who wants to rule the world and Joyboy with the ability to reincarnate wanting freedom for all people. Both are some type of "God" that once were beings above most other existences. For some reason the existence of both were erased from history so others wouldn't seek out Joyboy or his ideals that Im found so dangerous. Only the 5 elders know Im sits on the "empty throne"

[late token]

In my head that's already canon ^^ Momo has to go on the final adventure because he is one of the sovereigns

[quasi bramble]

That also makes sense.

[latent zodiac]

Its crazy that only now today after watching merphy's vid on 1044 and it makes total sense.

She has spent her time in wano for 20 years and knows what needs fixing to get wano back on track

Also Female Shoguns did exist irl

[late token]

who is merphy?

I think it was obvious from the start that hiyori becomes shogun during the time momo is away but i think momo will take her place when he comes back

[latent zodiac]

Amazing literature youtuber who started OP in 2021 and she just caught up

I reccomend her videos if you enjoy hearing about literature themes

[late token]

ty will check it out

[weak lava]

Ok… my theory for zuneshas crime is that he’s sided with joy boy 800 years ago, the wg doesn’t punish people based on the bad things they’ve done unless they’re “bad guys” in their eyes, for example they never went after the warlords who usurped various kingdoms

Wtf

[faint plinth]

I wonder why they did not just kill Zunesha

[weak lava]

Probably can’t

[slate wharf]

it's probably guilt, self-punishing himself for some reason

[weak lava]

Yeah considering joy boy failed to achieve his goals

[coral siren]

Could the "S" patterns in the devil fruit model mean "Sun"? or "Soon" as in soon to come joy boy?

[slate wharf]

ain't most fruits have design like that?

[faint plinth]

Nah

[pure raven]

I thought zunesha was punished by the kozuki clan

[glass comet]

really?

[prime bluff]

I wrote a theory why zunesha was punished

[prime bluff]

Zunesha punishment (major spoilers)
Zunesha was a nakama of joy boy
1.There were 2 will of D member one was joyboy And let other be sadboy When joyboy was defeated for unknown reasons Sadboy punished zunesha for being a nakama to joyboy to roam sea For example take sad boy as Blackbeard and Joyboy as luffy

2. Joyboy wouldn't punish someone But it can also be someone like orochi version 800 years ago would have punish someone

It can be compared to orochi making oden dance for so many years

[rocky dock]

I have a theory maybe the One Piece is ‘Binks Sake’ but inside the bottle of sake is actually a message.
A message in a bottle.
Something that when read is funny, but also tragic / truth of the void century

[prime bluff]

One piece is just a large bottle of sake

But joyboy needs meat
So joyboy started his journey for meat

[summer saddle]

Theory: I believe that the fruit gives you the characteristic of a cheerful boy. Luffy laughs because he imagines, and what he imagines he will expand so that the others laugh. As this JoyBoy ate that fruit at the time, he acquired that special characteristic but he was chosen for the fruit. Remember that the Mythological Zoan fruits have their own will. Probably the old Gods, as in the case of the "Sun God" (Gods of Lunarian > Luna > Skypieans, Shandia, and Bilkans) decided to transform into Devil Fruits (D. > Devil/Diablo). If you look Luffy has fire just like King. King has the physical appearance of Wyper (an inhabitant of Shandia) due to his face shape, skin tone, hairstyle and tattoo on his face. Monkey D. Dragon also has a similar appearance, dark hue, and tattoo on his face. It will have been an inhabitant of Shandia?.

Sea monsters are former Lunarian inhabitants to hide from the World Government's pursuits, and their goal is to guide pirates to seek the truth, such as the case of Zunisha. That is why Roger was not the chosen one for One Piece, the chosen one is another person, that is why he had to create a Pirate Era. For that indicated person to obtain the One Piece. And that is the legacy of the JoyBoy fruit.

[rocky dock]

Really the only reason I thought message in a bottle is because it’s a very ‘Piratey’ thing- possibly he died on that deserted island and left everything there preserved in a bottle.

[prime bluff]

One piece can also be a huge animal bigger than zenusha meat

[rocky dock]

this is a theory channel for serious posts, please don’t troll

[prime bluff]

No trolling but a laugh can be shared

[formal bridge]

But seriously one piece could be a huge piece of meat.

[lime stirrup]

i mean we know now that joyboy's whole thing is that he has the most "ridiculous power", maybe the one piece being funny to roger has something to do with that, perhaps a weapon or a techique for the user laid out by a poneglyph?

[summer saddle]

Pluto > Noah

Poseidon >
Shirahoshi

Uranus > Nami

[summer saddle]

And if the One Piece is under Gaimon?

[tulip hedge]

[glass comet]

Does anyone know how zoro got one eyed?

[cloud willow]

yeah

[pure raven]

From his training, I guess

[cloud willow]

mihawks sharp nuts scratched his eye

[ashen spindle]

Wrong section for this kind of question. But for Zoro - what do you guys think it would mean “then I will become King of Hell”? Is it possible that Zoro will get a boost post King fight or will he die after all? Or perhaps get yet another sacrf similar to Luffy?

[glass comet]

mihawks monkey sharp nut

[cloud willow]

mihawk and zoro gangbanged perona that's how he got that scar. oda confirmed theory

[glass comet]

ive seen worst

[trim flicker]

Roger learned that the "joyboy" was gonna come to change the world and free it from the WG, but that he was not the guy. He may also have known about the significance of the mislabeled gomu gomu, hence why shanks knew to steal it, and upon luffy eating it, immediately decided that luffy was the guy roger talked about, and was willing to give his arm for the chamce of a new era. The "he laughed" may have been that he arrived 20 years too early and missed the chance for himself, but knew his dream would be fulfilled. It all kinda works out tbh

Also checks out that whitebeard said "youre not the guy" to blackbeard when he had just met luffy and realized he was in fact the guy Also the will of D seems to have an effect on it cause "smiling in the face of death" is quite literally how the fruit seems to be awakened

[errant walrus]

gaban is prob s CP0 agent

[craggy fjord]

Praise gaban

[summer saddle]

Emma's aura

[prime bluff]

White beard knew the entire time after meeting luffy
That he is the person Roger was waiting for
Whitebeard was a real chad

[formal bridge]

Enma is king of hell

[trim flicker]

Only part that doesnt make sense is why the WG didnt care till now, when luffys been in custody before. But i think maybe it was that the fruit hadnt been awakened in so long that they didnt see it as an immediate threat. Better to keep it around in a 3rd rate pirate than to worry about someone actually strong getting it and awakening. Then when he was toe to toeing kaido they were like "hes yonko level, kill before he can awaken" hence the order to immediately interrupt the fight and kill luffy rn. Ironically being the cause of his awakening

[formal bridge]

Isn't yonko level already too strong

[trim flicker]

Yeah, they didnt realize just how strong he got until now though. Tbh none of us did

[formal bridge]

He survived marineford that's strong enough

[trim flicker]

Ion even think luffy knew how strong hes become

[trim flicker]

He got saved, he was definitely fodder for the admirals back then

[red nacelle]

To be fair he wasn't that strong. Only after he learnt advanced armament and conqueror's haki infusion that he became stronger and that was about a week total

[formal bridge]

His objective never was to defeat them though

[trim flicker]

Im just saying they didnt think he would be anywhere near strong enough at that point to awaken his df and or be of consequence

Hence why the cp0 assasination order only came now, as hes matching the king of beasts punch for punch

[formal bridge]

Did they think he would be partying for 2 yrs

They should have sent atleast an admiral when they found luffy came to saobody

[red nacelle]

They did

[formal bridge]

Which admiral

[red nacelle]

Kizaru was there. But he was saved from Rayleigh and kuma

Or do you mean post skip?

[formal bridge]

That was before marineford

[trim flicker]

Didnt they send fuji?

[formal bridge]

@trim flicker that was in dressrossa

[red nacelle]

Because they moved the headquarters and they couldnt make it in time since the straw hats left for fishman island

[trim flicker]

I mean dressrosa wasnt very long after sabaody? Was like a week or a few iirc

[red nacelle]

And they sent the pacifista to the fake ones since they beat them up pre skip

[formal bridge]

There are just too many plotholes to explain anyway

[red nacelle]

I was also thinking about it. But at most cases the either couldn't make it in time after they found they were on an island or they didn't know where they were

[formal bridge]

Fishman island arc was long

[red nacelle]

But very important

Terrible antagonist though

[formal bridge]

Also after fishman came caesar arc

[trim flicker]

I genuinely forget about fishman island sometimes. That and punk hazard were kinda like not "world news" the way dressrosa was

[formal bridge]

I just think gorosei have too much to do with revolutionary army making problems for them

[red nacelle]

And in dressrosa fujitora due to his justice left luffy to free them from mingo

[trim flicker]

Also tbh i dont think he wouldve even been considered a threat till after taking down doffy (the kata fight was closed door)

[formal bridge]

@trim flicker smoker couldn't do anything too

[red nacelle]

After that was zou. No contact. Whole cake. No contact. And wano which cp0 interfered.

[wary elk]

my theory is that luffy will get killed by kaido

[formal bridge]

Did you see 1044@wary elk

[red nacelle]

Smoker on punk hazard also helped luffy because he was saving the children

[pure raven]

He's already got killed by him

[red nacelle]

True

[trim flicker]

Smokers been outmatched since haki was a thing, and him and fuji both like luffy too much

[red nacelle]

Add drake and koby. Maybe even aokiji which is weirdly at the bb crew

[tulip hedge]

Admiral Koby waiting room

[formal bridge]

I think that full body haki guy was the main reason of luffy gear 5 theories too

[red nacelle]

Honestly, I didn't see any haki while at his nika form

[formal bridge]

Koby ain't becoming admiral if akainu lives

[red nacelle]

Whats your theory about the shirt changing color? Mistake? Nahhh

[pure raven]

You mean vergo?

[sudden helm]

literal emperor haki lightning breaking the ceiling

[formal bridge]

Yeah vergo

[tulip hedge]

That doesn't mean he's combining haki into gear 5 tho like he does with gear 4
Gear 4 you can see the haki envelopping his body

[red nacelle]

Sorry i meant armament like vergo

[formal bridge]

Vergo awakened those gear 5 edgelords

[red nacelle]

Gear 5 is the awakened form of his df. He just names it that way

[surreal oriole]

They've been after luffy since east blue yeah? I'm assuming a lot of people have had the Nika fruit the past 800 years and none have come close to awakening it. So much time has passed that it had become a legend even to them. I dont think they thought he would get that far with the power he displayed at marineford and only until after the TS or dressrosa have they started taking him seriously. He's had an unwilling admiral tasked with bringing him in ever since

[formal bridge]

Guys why do you think roger joined hands with marines to beat xebec?

[trim flicker]

Exactly. Once he started matching punches with kaido they were like "oh shit, hes actually gonna do it, kill him noooowwwwww"

[slim wasp]

Hi guys I have a quick question and I’m sorry if it’s been answered

Does this mean Luffy has been in hybrid form for along time?

[red nacelle]

I mostly agree. But they take him seriously after alabasta. That's when he got the gorosei attentions. Tekking correctly said so in one of his videos

[pure raven]

I think Roger had help from Garp. Roger doesnt trust pigs. He trusts individuals. Big key distinction

[trim flicker]

Wonderful question, no clear answer. I assume this fruit being unique may have unique effects

[formal bridge]

Why though was xebec gonna destroy something or what

[tulip hedge]

A lot of people will say no and lots will say yes
I personally believe his gears 1-4 are hybrid, 4 maybe close to full, and 5 being full zoan/awakened
And without gears he just has passive properties from the zoan

[red nacelle]

I assume his human form is the base form and all gears other than 5 are the hybrid

[pure raven]

Xebec was planning world conquest shit. Both parties viewed him as a threat and he had 3 people with CoC on his side that became Yonko in the future. It’s not hard to see why even Roger would need assistance

[red nacelle]

It will probably be explained at some point

[trim flicker]

True, chopper doesn't need to be in hybrid form to talk and think so human human brand fruits probably a constant effect

[slim wasp]

Okay thank you all!

[tulip hedge]

Exactly, so we can assume zoan fruits have passive properties without being activated into hybrid forms

[formal bridge]

No i mean he didn't ask roger to fight him did he?

[pure raven]

Probably not; Roger doesnt seem like the man who would do requests like that

[red nacelle]

Who knows? We know nothing of why all xebec stuff happened

[formal bridge]

I mean if we see luffy he fought shiki because he kidnapped nami and was gonna destroy east blue.

[tulip hedge]

Do we ever see marco control flames or heal without being in hybrid form? I can't remember

[pure raven]

Speak blatantly. What are you asking. Who is making requests

Smh

[formal bridge]

Did xebec challenge roger

Or did xebec hurt roger crew

[split glacier]

They fought, that's it. Roger and Garp won. There's no more info

[formal bridge]

Aren't pirates free why would roger care anyways

[silver sphinx]

Yeah on whitebeard’s island

[pure raven]

What if, all human human devil fruits are myticals

[formal bridge]

Chopper s isn't

[red nacelle]

We do in wb village

[pure raven]

Well maybe not given more informations about it yet

[tulip hedge]

Oh so yeah then

[formal bridge]

@pure raven but chopper doesn't look mythical in his beast form

[red nacelle]

By that logic Luffy should not do anything on any of the islands. Its just a choice

[pure raven]

There could possibility once he awakened it

[formal bridge]

Luffy fights only when it matters for him or his friends.

[red nacelle]

Don't you think his monster point is awakening?

[pure raven]

Also we weren't given what's the devil fruit model right?

[tulip hedge]

don't think that's the case tbh, I think chopper's fruit is straight up human, like manipulate the human body to a certain degree
So if an actual human ate it, they could do basically the same things as chopper, change their body shape and maybe become a giant

[pure raven]

I don't know cuz it's an effect of his rumble balls

[red nacelle]

Lol no. Unless you count 5 minute aquantances as friends

[formal bridge]

I don't but luffy does

[pure raven]

Nope, I think Oda said that if human eat one they will become more human like or more intelligent or something

[red nacelle]

Fair enough. So maybe roger is the same.

[formal bridge]

Oh yeah you got me

[tulip hedge]

Then why can chopper do those things? Does it affect him differently cause he's a deer? idk man, doesn't make much sense to me
Sure it would make them more intelligent etc in general, but they could probably use rumble balls too and change forms, at least that's what I think

[pure raven]

Because different species? idk xD

[red nacelle]

He said enlightened. But yesterday someone said here something interesting. He said hito hito no mi moder caveman. Given that ALL zoans we know of have models, choppers should too. That doesn't make him a mythical however

[pure raven]

Hmm I guess

[formal bridge]

Imagine if chopper had eaten gomu gomu would he transform in rubber reindeer or rubber human

[storm lily]

What in the one piece theorists is this💀💀💀

[trim flicker]

Looks like a wendigo

[tulip hedge]

Gomu gomu, or hito hito nika model?
Gomu gomu yeah, rubber reindeer
Hito hito nika into a rubber human deer, since the nika model is based on a "human"

[pure raven]

Troll ig

[formal bridge]

Same thing

[tulip hedge]

Nope

[storm lily]

Yh ik but that’s how some ppl do be acting fr fr😂

[formal bridge]

Gomu gomu and nika are same

[pure raven]

[red nacelle]

Although now that i think about it I don't think eating a caveman fruit would make chopper so intelligent and talkative...

[dense coral]

the talkative part maybe an innate nature of reindeer

[formal bridge]

It's not model caveman he is lying

[tulip hedge]

Obviously, I was speaking about the actual Gomu Gomu fruit, if it exists at all, which I doubt tho

[red nacelle]

Maybe its just hitto hito no mi model homo sapiens or something

[pure raven]

Lol I think it's just that all human human devil fruits works like that ig

[pure raven]

What's a homo sapiens

[red nacelle]

Its the modern human

[formal bridge]

I am talking about the one luffy ate what would happen then

[red nacelle]

The same?

[pure raven]

Roasted deer, weeee-

[formal bridge]

Would chopper become strechy reindeer or stretchy human reindeer

[red nacelle]

But he would not be able to even eat it, let alone awaken it

[formal bridge]

Why it's zoan

[red nacelle]

Strechy human reindeer imo

[pure raven]

Since luffy's hair is like on fire so ig if chopper eat it, he's gonna be burning deer cuz of his fur

[formal bridge]

That's on awakening though

[red nacelle]

Because since it has a will of its own, i assume it was searching for the next joyboy or something

[pure raven]

Yea ik but imagine tho, you saw a walking deer on fire

[formal bridge]

If chopper was joyboy then?

[red nacelle]

Strechy human reindeer with charred fur

[upbeat flume]

technically since luffy can expand his body without the use of air due to him being liberated from the restrictions of rubber.... couldn't luffy become a giant!??

[formal bridge]

Yeah

[pure raven]

Yea

[red nacelle]

If he imagines it

[upbeat flume]

👀

[red nacelle]

We don't even know if it has restrictions

I don't want a giant straw hat member

[formal bridge]

It's restriction is you get beaten a lot first

[red nacelle]

EVERY TIME??????

[formal bridge]

Look at katakuri and mingo both used awakening after they were beaten badly

[red nacelle]

I oddly have no way to argue

[pure raven]

Lol I also got nothing to say

[red nacelle]

HahahahhahahahahHah

[lime cape]

If you use gear 5 then you have a count down on how much you can live, maybe one or two years

[pure raven]

Smh

[red nacelle]

Are you connecting it to roger?

[pure raven]

How come tho. The gear 5 is just a zoan transformation

[lime cape]

I highly doubt it

[pure raven]

Well awakened

[lime cape]

It isn't a monster point

[red nacelle]

Why do you doubt it?

[pure raven]

Explain why

[pure raven]

Are you talking about chopper or luffy actually?

[red nacelle]

If monster point is awakening of Chopper's fruit then gear 5 is Luffy's monster point

[pure raven]

I'm pretty sure luffy's would be god point🗿

[lime cape]

I am talking about Luffy, his awakening is something different from impel down and chopper🤔

[pure raven]

Well his awakening form took a shape of a human. Real human

[red nacelle]

Why? We can't be sure. Rumble ball was never explained, perhaps on purpose

[dense coral]

i dont think theyre comparable. luffy's fruit better be compared with sengoku's

[pure raven]

Or a god

[lime cape]

Sure, but it isn't something like sengoku🤔 Oda f**** up this because you can justify anything with it

[red nacelle]

But we know nothing about sengokus fruit