manga-theories

[keen vault]

would that be why he couldnt use the one piece?

[pure raven]

Yep that’s why I also said it

[pale yoke]

does anyone know why law came to marineford to save luffy?

[pure raven]

I think it’s because he’s not the Joy Boy or didn’t had the DF

[keen vault]

what if having a specific devil fruit comes into play when using the one piece since luffy has the power of imagination

[void flower]

Probably because he wanted his help taking down doffy. Fighting Kaido wasn’t part of his original plan

[keen vault]

it has something to do with the will of D

[keen vault]

ill find the video and send it to you

[pure raven]

I think this is a better explanation

Since law was so obsessed with bringing down doffy he needed to become a warlord first so reason he went to marineford can be to get that status first

Later parts we know right

[pale yoke]

alrightt thankss

[slate wharf]

probably to get information about doffy

[keen vault]

it has something to do with the will of D defeating a celestial dragon(god)

[void flower]

I think there are joyboy “candidates” . People with special haki and Voice of all things as well as D clan members. But to actually be Joyboy, they need to have the Sun god fruit and awaken it because it epitomizes freedom. That’s why I feel like luffy has the Voice of all things regardless of fruit and Zunesha only pays attention to him now because of the awakening.

[keen vault]

and the only person who fit the role was luffy

[pure raven]

That can too but law main reason is revenge cz of cora san

[void flower]

Exactly.

[slate wharf]

law's goal is only to defeat doffy right? idk about that will of D thing lol, exaggeration

[keen vault]

ye cos the awaking could have brought back nostalgia to zunesha and thats maybe why he said Joyboy has returned

[pure raven]

Possible luffy DF is the chosen factor

[keen vault]

cos The joyboy from 800 years ago could have had the Nika Nika no mi

[pure raven]

Yeah what drives him was revenge

[slate wharf]

this literally is the reason, he doesn't have a choice but to tag along now coz doffy is connected with kaido. he will eventually cross swords with him

[keen vault]

ye luffys df is like the last thing he need cos he alr inherits everything else

[void flower]

Yeah.

[pure raven]

Reason for him to come marine ford I think to get the warlord position cz it helps him to take down doffy since we all know law is planning well before act

[keen vault]

ye it gives him time to plan everything pperfectly just for luffy to screw it up lmao

[void flower]

Makes you wonder if what Madam Shirley saw was a future prediction of luffy or something that happened 800 years ago with joyboy but she saw luffy because he IS joyboy.

[slate wharf]

it's to get info about him ye, as we can see him (law) is in punk hazard even before the strawhats arrive

he's basically tailing doffy

[keen vault]

i think that has something to do with the one piece and destroying the red line which would destroy fishman island

[pale yoke]

oh and also why kurohige can use more than 1 devil fruit? is it bcs of his body or something else?

[pure raven]

I think Doffy knows about YM sama n secrets

[keen vault]

that makes sense

[lunar shell]

Yep its a fact

[pure raven]

Possible fact is his strange body

[keen vault]

nobody really knows but there are multiple theorys bout it

[lunar shell]

Cuz of his body.

[pale yoke]

ohh so it's not confirmed yet by oda?

[lunar shell]

It is trought marco

[sick turtle]

Marco said it's his body

[pure raven]

No I think that one stated by Marco after seeing him

[slate wharf]

my guess is he have uranus as a medium to get 2 or maybe more dfs

[keen vault]

its not confirmed but alot of theorys that make sense

[slate wharf]

as he is also a target of imu

[pure raven]

N buggy also said he doesn’t sleep in flashbacks

[pale yoke]

ohh yeah he just said this, thanks a lot

[keen vault]

what do you think uranus is

[slate wharf]

could be an object or bb himself. not really sure

[pure raven]

Mermaid princess is one of weapon that we know

[slate wharf]

since there's no possible explanation for me how he is the only one who have 2 dfs in the series

[keen vault]

thats pretty solid theory but i personally beleive its a devil fruit possibly luffys but that wouldnt make sense

[pure raven]

Other weapon can also be people

[sick turtle]

It can't be another person, right?

We alr have shirahoshi as poseidon, no way they gonna repeat the same weapon

[pure raven]

Probably YM sama got one or himself

[keen vault]

i think the sunny is also a weapn cos i think franky put in some aspects of pluton into the sunnt like the mega beam i forgot the name and the sunny has the ability to fly

[slate wharf]

dunno really. It might be some myth zoan model to another god but that might be boring as we already have it with luffy

[sick turtle]

It'll be boring if they do...

[keen vault]

ye it repetitive but what if its something rly bizarre and since its oda it can happen

[sick turtle]

Smh

[slate wharf]

ye, not really sure. so an object will do for me at least

[sick turtle]

Not sure about that cuz we have god of rain, god of forest and god of earth left

[slate wharf]

ye, that's the confusing part lol

[pure raven]

But we can predict it so oda won’t do that he tends to unpredictable things probably he now have seen this theory too

[sick turtle]

😳

[slate wharf]

it would be easy to guess if that god of rain is god of sea but it's not

coz it would be equal to poseidon. literally clueless with those 3 gods

[keen vault]

ye god of rain is imu for sure

[sick turtle]

Also I do think that all the 4 gods aren't actually god but are humans with godlike df that is specially just them can have it but idk sounds cringe

[keen vault]

i mean i wouldnt mind if oda did expand on them more tbh cos it might end up like the otutsuki clan from boruto and it might ruin one piece

[pure raven]

I’m thinking YM sama was right hand of joyboy or close friend end up betraying him

[keen vault]

wait do you guys think zunesha is a mythical zoan?

[pure raven]

He was a nakama of joyboy so can be

[sick turtle]

Nope, could be just like the sea kings

[keen vault]

i thought the gorosei were talking bout zunesha when they were talking bout the devil fruit

[sick turtle]

Smh

[slate wharf]

ye, but the way he did it with luffy makes sense so

[pure raven]

Oh me too at first but Later chaps figured it out

[keen vault]

ye it would kinda make sense but how would zunesha have become joyboys nakama? Like laboon but joyboy had the ability of voice of all things and thats how he communicates? that would makes sense

[keen vault]

i mean oda could make it really awesome but i wouldnt mind if he didnt bring it up either but wouldnt that be a plot hole?

[sick turtle]

Maybe they share a bond like poseidon(shirahoshi) with the sea kings

[formal bridge]

People who have voice of all things luffy momo shirahoshi roger oden joyboy anyone else?

[keen vault]

hmm kinda like he had an acienct weapn

[sick turtle]

Do you guys think the will of D is a clan and they're friends with kozuki clan?

[keen vault]

joy boy from 800 years agp

[slate wharf]

it will, we are getting answers every chapter anyways so imma just wait

[keen vault]

ye we will see

[formal bridge]

Giants too? That would be weird.

[sick turtle]

When will next chapter release tho I wonder

[pure raven]

I think Oden too

[sick turtle]

I don't think it's weird also I think giants are like the skypiea ppl, they worship the gods

[keen vault]

i mean not rly i dont think they are a clan but people who have an ideology far different from the so called gods (celestial dragons) i think those who have a ideaology who oppose the celestial dragons have the will of D since they havve the courage to fight back against God

[formal bridge]

They can't be same clan though maybe people from same kingdom

[sick turtle]

Yea might be too

[pale yoke]

do you think shanks is sus, i wanna think he's kind of celestial dragons but i dont want it too lol

[formal bridge]

@pale yoke he is pacifist maybe that's why

[keen vault]

i dont think race or clans have anything to do with will of d it just depends on the mindset of that person anyone could nessarially have it but they must have thee right mindset in order to gain it

[sick turtle]

Nah just respect

[pale yoke]

have to wait post wano to reveal shanks identity i guess

[sick turtle]

Cuz if he's a celestial dragon, I doubt akainu would pull his punch

[formal bridge]

So sengoku doesn't respect whitebeard?

[keen vault]

lmao i have an english essay to type which is due in 2 day yet here i am talking bout one piece theorys

[sick turtle]

Wdym

[formal bridge]

Whitebeard said to release ace but he didn't care

[keen vault]

maybe shanks has a secret kinda like doffy and thats why sengoku let him off easy

[sick turtle]

I think wano is about sun god reveal so maybe another arc

[keen vault]

elbaf most likely

[sick turtle]

Well that's not how respect works tho

[pale yoke]

[formal bridge]

@keen vault only garp calls shanks evil. When he tells luffy to not follow red hair

[keen vault]

ye maybe shanks is actually evil

[sick turtle]

Well he is pirate so

Luffy is still young that time too,and garp just wants luffy to stop his dreaming

[formal bridge]

Even gorosei let shanks speak

[sick turtle]

But we don't know the truth yet

[keen vault]

i hope not

[sick turtle]

What if, shanks discovered the truth about mariejois and blackmail gorosei

[pale yoke]

is it already revealed why doffy and pacifista killed moria after marineford?

[formal bridge]

@sick turtle why is he pirate then he could have been warlord

[sick turtle]

No also he didn't die there

[sick turtle]

Real question, why would he wants to be a warlord

[pure raven]

They didn’t ayyoo is this spoilers for you

[keen vault]

they didnt kill him

[pale yoke]

ahh nope, i just rewatching, i forgot already, you can tell me

[sick turtle]

I mean, warlord is like the world govt dog, why would he wants to be a warlord

[pure raven]

Ah no probably either moriah endup killed by BB or he will join them

[sudden patio]

Soooo

[merry elm]

Y’all are really at this

[formal bridge]

@sick turtle he could legally own territory

[sudden patio]

Greenbull is god of forest?

[sick turtle]

And get ordered by the world govt like a good boy

[pale yoke]

ohhh okeii, thanks mate

[keen vault]

isnt elbaf shanks territory

[formal bridge]

No but get only perks like doflamingo

[spice berry]

The Greenbull = Tree = Resin theory ?

[keen vault]

could makes sense tbh

[sudden patio]

Yeah i think which says he doesnt eat because he only needs sunlight

[sick turtle]

Nobody knows

[spice berry]

[formal bridge]

Is it paramecia or zoan?

[sick turtle]

I didn't remember that, which chapter is it?

[pure raven]

Either Shanks is a spy acting as a pirate /celestial/ or Rocka son / or one of elders son or YM samas son that’s the ones I think

[formal bridge]

Or maybe he is imu sama himself

[pure raven]

Or he is a true pirate like buggy who backstab people

[sick turtle]

Nobody's son, end of story (why would roger take him aboard his ship if he's one of their son tho)

[formal bridge]

@sick turtle roger doesn't discriminate

[sick turtle]

It's not discrimination...

[pure raven]

Yes that he don’t care so far as story tells if they don’t harm his crew or insult them

[formal bridge]

Even if he is enemy son i don't think roger would do something to a kid

[sick turtle]

I didn't say he would do something terrible... I just ask if there any reason why he took him aboard

[formal bridge]

I am not saying he is someone's son though just to make it clear

I think blackbeard is xebec son

[sick turtle]

Maybe a son of xebec's relative

[formal bridge]

No xebec coz why would he name his ship saber of xebec

[tepid coral]

Is ur name from an anime ?

Just curious

[formal bridge]

Demon of lust

[sick turtle]

Maybe he just wants to be like xebec

[tepid coral]

Ah I see and sorry I have to delete that since we can't go into other series specifics here

My bad

[sick turtle]

Smh

[formal bridge]

@sick turtle how would he know xebec his history is erased

[sick turtle]

Why would a relative won't know something about their own relative

[formal bridge]

That's why i said he is his son not someone impressed by him

[pale yoke]

btw do you guys think that luffy is on par with akainu rn? or better than akainu?

[merry elm]

I don’t think luffy could use gear 5th against akainu that’s no “laughing matter”

[sick turtle]

Well we don't know yet and his name could've been Rocks D Teach instead of Marshall D Teach

[formal bridge]

Also remember gol d roger son is portgas d ace
So maybe Rocks d xebec son is marshall d teach

[pale yoke]

ok this suits luffy

[sick turtle]

Asksjdk

Why would you ask that in here. Bruh

[merry elm]

Ask what?

[sick turtle]

You deleted the message

[formal bridge]

Anyone here who makes video on theories?

[merry elm]

Deleted what message?

[sick turtle]

Aight, fine, Imma pretend you didn't exist

[merry elm]

Good that’s what the world does 😢

[formal bridge]

?

Also do you think luffy will get personal vehicle like ace had that he can use with his df power.

[sick turtle]

I kinda think luffy can fly on his own now

[formal bridge]

It was very popular in early one piece smoker had one even though he could fly

People used to think different uses for vehicles back then now it's all stopped

[balmy halo]

Gear four is only known where luffy can fly that also for a limited time

[sick turtle]

Uh no I meant by fly on his own, without his gears

[lime cape]

Did Roger said ni ya... Ni ka?

[amber oar]

SFXs starting with "ni". "Niya", "niko", "nii", "nika" is a standard sfx to reflect grins. They're all over the place not just in OP but in other series too. It's not foreshadow.

The opposite is more likely, that Oda based "Nika" on the grin sfxs

[sturdy hound]

the latter for sure

nika is standard, so oda used that to create the god nika

[teal pulsar]

I read a theory in a post ...that.. the 4th road Ponegelyff is in Elbaf ... and Elbaf is Shank's territory ..... as also his SHIP looks a bit Viking-ish

and also ... Giants and Elbaf are a key factor in one piece as they are constantly mentioned and powerful people want them on side (like big mom) or either dead (like world government) ....they can be important as something regarding the hidden 800 year old history would be connected ..... and ELBAF could be Shank's territory

[formal bridge]

@teal pulsar also uranus is in elbaf supposedly

[solemn pendant]

any predictions towards choppers df awakening, bc there’s been a theory saying chopper has the human human fruit model forest or something

[dusk geyser]

Solid solid

[fathom matrix]

Yaknow what's interesting about Orochi's death?

Orochi is ironically getting burned alive by the same man, who he sent to betray Odin and get him burned alive

But unlike Oden, Orochi is anable to take the pain and heat

[pure raven]

I'm like 90 percent sure his powers will stay rubber related because it'd be unlike oda to pull a random new power that isn't just improving the old one

[fathom matrix]

well, Oden was boiled, but you get what I mean

since Zoans can effect the base form, I could see Green bull with a nature Zoan type#

Heck, I can imagine it being a real shocker when they find out "HOLY CRUD, THERE'S PLANT ZOANS?" and it's like "yeah, plants are living things after all"

[sinful wedge]

I don't think we've seen the last of Orochi

Probably when I see an Oda box or what Denjiro's up to

Also unlike Oda to just finish him off without explaining his mythical power's quirk even once

[lime cape]

I think Elbaf is going to be usopp arc, Shanks arc is going to be Hachinosu

[fathom matrix]

At this point, I think he should just die. There's only so many times you can fake kill off a character where it gets boring or just annoying

You had Kaido lopp off his head, then the scabbard, and now Hiyori's stabbed him with a sea prism pin, he's under some rubble, the Kasenbou's burning him alive

I think he should just die here and now

[spice berry]

Well he has a Zoan fruit.

[amber oar]

Hiyori pierced him with a seastone nail tho

[fathom matrix]

Yeah, so it does nulliffy base form abilities too

CAUSE, as we saw with luffy, whenever haki or sea prism, or Blackbeard's fruit was used, his rubber body didn't work to resist the pain or have it's bounciness

so most likely, even having a zoan type fruit with added durability and recovery time won't help

[slate wharf]

i could imagine him having zoan model: crocodile. as crocs can live in a year or maybe more without eating idk

[fathom matrix]

True

[slate wharf]

i mean, we have the exaggeration version of rubber being immune to lightning even tho it's just an insulator of electricity in real life so ye

[fathom matrix]

Also, I think the son Wukong theory might come about still, cause it's a shonen, and let's be honest

The main character needs a final forms for the last arc

[slate wharf]

there's more to it ig

[fathom matrix]

This might sound dumb, but the fruit's been "awakened" to allow him to transform, but I don't think it's an awakening

if that makes sense.

Like, Luffy's finally able to go into the Nika form, but there may be another stage to it

OR the form is an awakening but the Nika fruit is an exception to how it oporates like a lot of Zoan fruits

Like, the Nika fruit can only effect the base form and the awakening is the only zoan transformation

[slate wharf]

i really have no idea regarding that

when i said there's more to it i'm talking about why a personality such as nika who is known and worship by ppl (meaning he exist) became a devil fruit. the secret behind such thing

same thing probably happens to every zoan fruit so ye

logia are raw elements, and is quite the same with paramecia which is more like a product of some sort. i mean look at mochi lol

[fathom matrix]

Honestly, Paramecias could have been man made back in the olden times, as either tools or weapons to fight during the void century

[slate wharf]

ye, is also what i'm thinking. what is odd is how did it

[fathom matrix]

OH OH OH

What if Zoans were generation 1 devil fruits, actually using souls and essences of animals, Logias are generation 2 devil fruit using raw elements

BUT BUT, Paramecias, considered the weakest, were generation 3?

[slate wharf]

like the process of making df is unknown

[slate wharf]

could be

as there are a lot of mythical zoans. i don't think we will see mythical logia tho as they are not really a personality like base on humans or animals

[granite bluff]

maybe there could be a hybrid fruit made from the fusion of 2 different types of fruit

with some vegapunk science

[fathom matrix]

The thing is, myth means not real, and the thing is, Nika might be more of a story, and Joyboy was the true Nika

Like, God has a lot of different names in many religions but it's the same same, so maybe Joyboy was lost to time and Nika remained.

[slate wharf]

vegapunk can't even replicate a myth fruit properly

[fathom matrix]

So there was never a real god named Nika, but it was just Joyboy who was named and seen as him

[granite bluff]

Is joyboy someone real or just a title ?

[fathom matrix]

Joyboy might also be a title

Honestly, Joyboy and Nika might never be the guy's real names, but just names given to him or thought to be

[slate wharf]

ye, but sun god nika has many influences in many different places so i was thinking he really did exist

[fathom matrix]

True, but it could be Joyboy was the inspiration, but over time or back then he was given different names.

[slate wharf]

same thing is happening with luffy rn so ye

[granite bluff]

also because luffy has also a ito ito no mi like chopper, he could have multiple forms too

[lime narwhal]

thats what the gears are

just like choppers points

[granite bluff]

oh yeah it's so obvious haha

[warm cave]

Hito Hito No Mi , not Ito Ito No Mi 💀

[granite bluff]

[copper spoke]

Shanks is xebec 🙀🙀🙀

[proper stag]

Or xebecs son

[mossy lantern]

gum gum fruit = smile fruit = when you smile you see gums

[lone adder]

i think we will see im samas reaction to luffys awakening in manga soon

[quaint laurel]

i gotta be real shanks and luffy should pair up for a arc against bb or wg

[lone adder]

new op movie

[glad hatch]

new shanks movie will not be canon right?

[split glacier]

Most likely not. Might have elements like what they did with Shiki movie

[glad hatch]

yeah ok

[slate willow]

hmm nice analogy

[slate willow]

ic.....

[modern shard]

I have a feeling shanks going to fight luffy then bb is the final boss of the show

[slate willow]

intresting

[desert notch]

Sanji woke up so hypothetically he might fight as well

[slate willow]

yeah its like they all felt the presence of luffys haki

[desert notch]

How are sun god nika’s ability connected to the sun at all?

[slate wharf]

all i can see is one sided fight but i'll wait

[slate willow]

because he is the sun god? i mean thats what i think

[slate wharf]

luffy was emitting conquerors haki on chap 1044 afaik

[slate willow]

yeah

[slate wharf]

it could be just an epithet, i mean look at his appearance and personality

[slate willow]

[slate willow]

yeah thats true but it could also explain how he is able to use fire in his attacks and stuff

[lone adder]

guys what if conquerors haki is the will of gods and luffy having a god fruit mastered it? 💥

[slate willow]

hmm yeah but then kaido has also mastered it

[slate wharf]

nika was known for his heroic tales of saving slaves and how he always smiles in like everything ig

[slate wharf]

ye, u could apply a bit of logic for that honestly like in g2 or red hawk

[tame mortar]

Just want to drop in some thoughts: The only Warlord that is viable to be captured narration-wise is Hancock.
(and to some weird extent, Weevil)

From the current story, it is shown that SSG would become Warlord replacement, and Marines are confident about it.
And story-wise, it is natural to show the replacement narrative by at least having one of the current Warlord to be defeated, to show the seriousness of the WG.
If all remaining Warlords escaped somehow, it would undermine the hype.

Let's consider the current Warlords that's still active:
Mihawk, Hancock, Buggy, Weevil

These two has small chance of being captured:
Mihawk would be too strong for standard marines to capture, and he has another plot point with Zoro as WSS.
Buggy has his own plot armor that even he survived Marineford arc. He'll continue to be the gag character who would eventually get his treasure.

Weevil is a fairly new character, that is considered super strong. Still don't know how he will affect the story, so it's kinda weird to have him immediately captured even before his own feats.
Unless, he is actually a plot device to show that even a strong Warlord can be captured. His purpose is simply to hype up SSG, but then, that's just it. And it's kinda weird to be honest to introduce a big character just for that.

Hancock has Koby in pursuit, a somewhat central character. Her story is also kinda done, with the Amazon Lily arc until post-war arc. And it is a good opportunity to show how strong SSG or at least the seriousness of the Marine to disband the Warlord system.

[lone adder]

From the current story, it is shown that SSG would become Warlord replacement, and Marines are confident about it.

What's SSG?

[shadow bramble]

special science group

[slate wharf]

does this count as goda 6shadowing? coz nika has sword before, dunno if it's katana tho

[signal marsh]

dude

[modern shard]

Imagine a logia type fruit that is water

[modern shard]

And u can control water like a water bender

[signal marsh]

seriously

[sick turtle]

I don't think it's katana, more likely to look like a normal sword or a dagger

[modern shard]

The water u control cancels the enemies fruit powers

[echo plank]

💀

[sick turtle]

Also he have a staff

[slate wharf]

ye, just by basing on the image of nika i think so too. that's probably goda memeing in the series

[slate wharf]

more like a suicide fruit

[modern shard]

Isn’t control fruit (ope ope fruit ) the strongest fruit in the one piece world but the fruit is so strong they had to nerf law by making law have low energy

[mossy lantern]

can someone answer this for me pls. since ice is water but frozen. does that mean ice could technically stop someones devil fruit power? ik thats not how it works because aokiji but it would make sense right? (only on chapter 460 so still dont know alot

[modern shard]

Yes and no the ice would need to melt so ice turns in water

[slate wharf]

if it melts and the enemy got somehow submerge within the water then ye

[sick turtle]

I think only seawater works against df user but idk

[normal yarrow]

👀 ?

[deep wyvern]

This is crazy the fruit allows him to do anything he wills . So he thought it was rubber and thats probably why he can use it

[slate wharf]

any types of water as long as it's not moving like rains ig

[radiant grail]

Everybody makes theories about shank, joyboy, the "gods" and a ton of weird ass shit
Why no one doing a theory about one piece's human bodies
I see more abnormal shit there than AoT's ugly ass titans

[slate wharf]

well, u make one then

[lunar shell]

Guys you gotta hear me out I have an idea about Nika

I'm sure none of you fools thought of that.

What if Nika is ... ||a girl||

[sick turtle]

Why? It's just their characteristic and style

Oh wait nvm I think you mean the race

[slate wharf]

ehh, u mean coz nika is based in a god name nike, a goddess of victory smth. idk he might be very well be just a guy

[lunar shell]

I have a hunch.

Beside, -this doesnt prove a anything its just an information- some animator tv though Nika might be based on him ( cuz he laugh a lot), Oda replied in live : No its not on you, you will know cuz the next time you see Nika you will see his face.

[radiant grail]

Ik just joking around

[slate wharf]

welp, also nika's epithet is sun god and not sun goddess so there's that

[sick turtle]

If nika is a girl, then ppl wouldn't be calling "her" "joyboy"

[slate wharf]

joygirl kekw

[sick turtle]

xD

[lunar shell]

Meh that doesnt mean anything some Goddess are classified as god. Beside we dont know ( I dont ) if jap "God" word can work for female too

[lunar shell]

Joy Boy is some dude that eat the fruit but not Nika right ?

[slate wharf]

God = kamisama
Goddess = Megami

[sick turtle]

Joyboy is the one who ate the fruit, transform into nika and they become the same person lol

[lunar shell]

So ka

Ok well lets talk about it in a year, my hunch never fails ( almost never ( well sometimes they dont at least ( i think ? ) ) )

[slate wharf]

idk if there is even a slim chance of that happening but, we'll see

[sick turtle]

Smh

[slate wharf]

smh my head

[desert notch]

No. I mean he’s called sun god,but he never showed any ability connecting to the sun

[visual merlin]

sun god probably just isn't referring to his abilities

[sturdy sinew]

Maybe acts like the sun to everyone ☺️

[sick turtle]

The sun is torturing ppl, wdym

[split glacier]

Get ya melanin up

[sturdy sinew]

Is this one piece server?

[sick turtle]

Yes

[sturdy sinew]

So we talking about Luffy being sun god right?

[sick turtle]

Maybe sun god is reffered to his power. I mean, his hair is like a flame

[sturdy sinew]

Torturing people

[visual merlin]

sun god can't be referring to the power

[sick turtle]

But we don't know

[visual merlin]

we just got what the powers are, and sun god doesn't fit in nor was mentioned

thats probably more referring to how people saw nika

[coral vine]

super saiyan

[sturdy sinew]

Yeah brings new dawn or day to people

[sick turtle]

What about the other 3 gods then lol🤔

[ashen surge]

Vitamin D is an important thing that is necessary for peoples brains to produce dopamine which makes you feel good. You get Vitamin D from the Sun. Nika made people feel good and smile. (Lol Will of the D is Vitamin D :D)

[visual merlin]

what other 3 gods and what about them?

[sick turtle]

In skypiea arc, there is mentioned about god of rain, forest and earth

[sturdy sinew]

The ancient weapons?lol

[visual merlin]

don't recall that, but I guess they are their own thing. But we just got nika's powers and they ain't sun related

[sturdy sinew]

Yeah it's different with Luffy I guess

[sick turtle]

We can't just assume that yet since we didn't see or know everything

[visual merlin]

we can because we just got th eexplanation of what the powers are

[sturdy sinew]

That's why we are here lol

[visual merlin]

and have been following luffy for 1000 chapters

[pure raven]

hey guys I have a serious theory

[visual merlin]

go ahead

[pure raven]

What if luffy... is JOYBOY? like it makes a ton of sense tbh

[sick turtle]

But this channel is for theory tho not idea or headcannon

[coarse hinge]

Joyboy is a title. So stop

[sturdy sinew]

Is theory not an idea? My bad then

[pure raven]

Nika was a real person bruh

[ashen surge]

How do you know, Nika was just a legend

[coarse hinge]

Nika yes is a name. But Joyboy is not

[sick turtle]

Idea isn't something you explain, but theory is

[coarse hinge]

Joyboy=A boy who bring all peoples Joy

[sturdy sinew]

Really? How?

[coarse hinge]

Opinion, idea, hypothesis, and theory are all different thing

[sick turtle]

Wdym how lol

[pure raven]

While I you make a good point, I dont think its entirely conclusive yet whether its a real entity or simply a title

[zinc coral]

It’s definitely a title lol

[sick turtle]

Is english your 10th language you didn't know the difference

[ashen surge]

That's rude

[sturdy sinew]

Joyboy is a title the one who eats Nika

[zinc coral]

Zunesha didn’t call Luffy by the name Joyboy back in Zou so it’s definitely a title

[coarse hinge]

Kaido once said after the 2nd time he beat Luffy "You're not Joyboy". That's clear not debatable anymore, only a title

[sick turtle]

Sarcasm, yeah, it is rude

[sturdy sinew]

That's fine I'm used to that hahaha

That's just how she or he is

[sick turtle]

Joyboy could be a nickname tho btw

[pure raven]

^

[sick turtle]

??? Why delete

[agile tangle]

Cause ratio

[coarse hinge]

Joyboy is the same like Pirate King, Yonko, Shichibukai things

[ashen surge]

Nika is a story or a legend, we don't know if Nika was real or what he was able to do. The awakened devil fruit was probably named after nika because the properties of the fruit reminded the people who name fruits of Nika. Zunesha probably identified Awakened Nika-fruit from the change of Luffy's heartbeat so Awakened Nikafruit = Joyboy.

[sick turtle]

I think we need explanation on what you're saying. A good one

[coarse hinge]

THIS!

[sturdy sinew]

Lmao why need explaination to that

[pure raven]

Im leaning towards that it is a nick name, and at the same time a title, but that a person did at some point during the void century live as the original "joy boy"

[coarse hinge]

THIS TOO

[sick turtle]

Not enough explanation on why you thought of so but aight. Ok nvm I'm brain ded

[sturdy sinew]

Just think about Roger named being the pirate king

[coarse hinge]

^

[sick turtle]

Kinda doesn't sounds to match to be a title but welp

[slate wharf]

it's not also out of imagination that gods exist in this story, as we can see a lot of ridiculous stuff like sea kings, zunesha, minks, merfolks, giants, and devil fruit users. lots of fairy tales base stuff are in op verse so ye

[ashen surge]

Yeah Nika could've been real like a million years ago and at some point he became a stuff of legends. Still it doesn't have to have anything to do with Luffys fruit

[modest skiff]

Please don’t be rude in this channel. Read the channel description

[sick turtle]

But why would it said joyboy, as his name in the poneglyphs back in fishman island arc tho I wonder

[sturdy sinew]

Well luffys fruit is model Nika?

[sick turtle]

Ik. Sorry cuz it sounds like that

[slate wharf]

it's modeled to him so it does. what we dk is how he became a devil fruit (i mean nika)

[ashen surge]

Who decides the fruit names?

[slate wharf]

Who knows, maybe someone who knows the identity of such fruit.

[sick turtle]

Smh

[coarse hinge]

It random just the characteristic

[modest skiff]

My assumption based on Toki is that long ago it wasn’t devil fruits, it was a power passed down from person to person. Eventually those people were put into devil fruits and they were named based on the user’s name/power

[sturdy sinew]

We getting another manga now lol

[slate wharf]

ye, and those power user somehow became a devil fruit for unknown reason. and will have name after being eaten and use by someone

or maybe just the power being df idk

[ashen surge]

If someone thought that if you eat [the fruit Luffy ate] that person could [achieve] same things as Nika did but not necessarily [do] the same things as Nika was able to do and thats why they named it after Nika

[modest skiff]

Here is my post where I elaborated on my theory #manga-theories message

[sturdy sinew]

You mean a real Gomu Gomu fruit ?

[ashen surge]

The fruit could be paramecia gomu gomu fruit or it could be mythical zoan nika fruit, does it really matter?

[sick turtle]

There could be no any gomu gomu no mi tho

[sturdy sinew]

Well Nika is a rubber boy and there could be a rubber that that is a thing

[tulip hedge]

it'd make more sense if there's no actual gomu gomu fruit, cause then if they'd notice there is one, it's obvious one's fake

[ashen surge]

No, the Nika fruit gives the user properties of rubber. We have zero indication that Nika the person who probably existed had such abilities

[sturdy sinew]

Well Nika just have a rubber body

[sick turtle]

Hmm

Might gotta reread the latest chapter again, welp, here off me go

[ashen surge]

Nika was a warrior who liberated the slaves, brought people together and brought smiles to anyones faces. You can do all that without eating the Nika fruit but it will surely help out

[sturdy sinew]

Then have a title of joyboy

[slate wharf]

that's the point if the one the fruit is modeled to is a rubber, then the user will gain the traits of it too. same thing with kaido who can transform into dragon coz he gain the traits to do so

[slate wharf]

also, have we seen a paramecia transforming into different stages? luffy is a weird one and i never even tried to think twice about him before lol

[tiny hatch]

what if nika lets the user copy the properties of different materials?

[sturdy sinew]

Eh that would be OP haha

[slate wharf]

if so then why the manga is always pinpointing us into rubber anyways?

[ashen surge]

I'm not trying to argue if Luffys fruit is Zoan or Paramecia because that doesn't really matter at all. I'm trying to argue that we have no idea knowing what kind of powers or abilities Nika had and the Nika fruit doesn't indicate anything

[tiny hatch]

Because it was trying to trick us

[slate wharf]

not me lol

[visual merlin]

why is the fruit trying to trick anyone

[tiny hatch]

Not the fruit the author

[slate wharf]

zoan has personality kekw

[visual merlin]

why would the author have the fruit only ever copy rubber

[humble dawn]

i think they mean natural rubber

[visual merlin]

and even the gorosei say it only does rubber stuff

[tiny hatch]

Why would the author try to trick the audience for a reveal later hmm

[sturdy sinew]

Well because luffys head is on fire so we want fire haha

[slate wharf]

welp, ye it doesn't indicate anything

[visual merlin]

No, why would the author have the fruit only ever be related to rubber if its actually able to just copy random materials?

[clear kraken]

Keep in mind that it’s probably only called the nika fruit because of its property of spreading joy just like the nika legend

[tiny hatch]

idk I am thinking of plastic man from DC very similar powers to luffy

[stray warren]

just like noland and skypia

[crude canyon]

Hey everyone

[ashen surge]

Thank you, this is what I tried to say

[clear kraken]

Why it spreads joy? Who knows

[visual merlin]

its called the nika fruit because its based off nika itself

[sturdy sinew]

Yeah this could work too named after a legend

[crude canyon]

What was shanks tryna do with the fruit my pals

[visual merlin]

nika itself was rubber too

[tiny hatch]

I mean elasticity is just its base and it cane use its elasticity to mimic other materials maybe?

[slate wharf]

idk, i'm not in for thinking that much or putting too much logic in an anime

[ashen surge]

How do you know that

[crude canyon]

What was shan tryna do

[visual merlin]

no, because that doesn't add up with what else we've seen

[tiny hatch]

Since its a zoan he can theoretically un rubber himself

[visual merlin]

because the fruit is called human human model nika

[sturdy sinew]

Yeah so there could b a real Gomu Gomu fruit right?

[visual merlin]

and the fruit gives you rubber powers

there could be, but there probably isn't one

[ashen surge]

so what :D

[visual merlin]

Probably not, same way Kaido can't turn off his scales

[tiny hatch]

wdym?

[visual merlin]

So the fruit is based on nika, and the fruit gives rubber powers, so nika was rubber

[tiny hatch]

kaido human form doesnt have scales does he?

[visual merlin]

being a zoan doesn't mean you can turn it off. Kaido can't turn off his scales in base

he does

thats why's durable even in base form

same way marco can heal in base

and can shoot fire out

[pure raven]

Gear 5

[coarse hinge]

Chopper is the best example, he's always mostly in DF mode all the time

[tiny hatch]

But marco isnt always on fire and we dont see actual scales on kaido ever

[coarse hinge]

Some could & some couldn't

[visual merlin]

He is, if you hit him his regen will activate

[tiny hatch]

Kaido being durable can honestly be explained as him just being op as crap with haki and his genetic makeup

[visual merlin]

and we don't need to see visible scales, the idea is his body is still in scales, and as hard as the scales

No, because he's equally durable in base and other forms, and we are told its because of his scales

mythical zoans simply retain properties of their fruits in base

[tiny hatch]

cause marco cant heal if he is attached to sea prism so theoretically kaido and luffy would unrubber and have no scales either way

[visual merlin]

what does this have to do with seastone

[tiny hatch]

So its not just scales

[sturdy sinew]

Lol

[visual merlin]

It is just scales, that is how he is durable

[slate wharf]

they will weaken and will not undf them or whatever bruh

[tiny hatch]

That make him durable atleast I am talking about the deactivation of rubber possibly

[visual merlin]

he cannot deactivate it

[ebon cloak]

sengoku should have been shiny in base

[visual merlin]

nor is there any indication he can turn into anything else

[tiny hatch]

we don’t know that for certain

[visual merlin]

given even the gorosei say the fruit is all rubber focused

this is too much overthinking

[slate wharf]

look at brook, there are times that he is submerge into water but he is still alive coz the fruit didn't got deactivated or smth

[pure raven]

Bruh

[tiny hatch]

thats not sea water

[visual merlin]

Why do you think they look weakened there

[slate wharf]

all water as long as they are submerged will weaken them lol

[coarse hinge]

Non canon. Luffy vs Arlong totally drown but still can scretch his head. DF power still active

[tulip hedge]

being in water doesnt kill devil fruit users

[slate wharf]

ye, oda saying this in sbs smth is non canon at all

[tiny hatch]

They are only suppose to feel tired from sea water other wise its not a weakness to the ocean or sea but just water

[visual merlin]

then this is sea water

because they are weakened by it

[tiny hatch]

I guess only seaprism can deactivate powers fully

[visual merlin]

anyway

[tulip hedge]

LOL anyway

[sturdy sinew]

Anyway Luffy is a rubber boy haha

[ashen surge]

sea prism doesnt deactivate his powers either, it just makes him weak

[visual merlin]

the fruit's always been related to rubber, even for 800+ years the gorosei have only known it to be related to rubber

[coarse hinge]

DF users still fine until drowned to upper body that will weakened them

[tiny hatch]

since sea prism can turn off marco’s healing and flames than it should turn off kaido’s scales and luffy’s rubber than right

[visual merlin]

no reason it'd be capable of copying other materials

[coarse hinge]

Rain, bath, shower they're fine bcs that

[slate wharf]

literally my point. but brook df made him alive even when he's just a skeleton rn so if ever it was deactivated (whatever this means) he might die

[tiny hatch]

I mean full imagination with haki and elasticity can really do a lot

[ebon cloak]

isnt it obvious that they gave it that fake name because anyone that eats it would think they have rubber powers

[sturdy sinew]

Maybe Nika ate Gomu Gomu fruit then he became a fruit lol

[tiny hatch]

we never seen him get attached with sea prism yet so maybe

[visual merlin]

Haki has nothing to do with this, his fruit isn't imagination, nor is elasticity the fruit if you're arguing for copying other materials

[coarse hinge]

Udon Luffy & Kid is fine after some training

[visual merlin]

it would just be elasticity, which clearly also doesn't match up with everything

idk man, maybe the fruit is rubber

[sturdy sinew]

Hahahaha

[tiny hatch]

what power has sea prism not deactivated?

[slate wharf]

i'm unironically waiting for this to happen, drowning is enough ig

[tiny hatch]

Mhm

[sturdy sinew]

Jack?

[tiny hatch]

what about jack?

[ebon cloak]

fishman?

[slate wharf]

ye, he was drowned before by zunesha right? but still fine

[tiny hatch]

seawater weakens when in contact and when fully submerged they get paralyzed

[sturdy sinew]

Yeah he just can't move

[royal grail]

only because jack is half fishmen

[tiny hatch]

only reason jack is alive is cause he is a fishman that can breath

[slate wharf]

yep, it didn't deactivate the fruit as we can see his head. but it made him so weak to not move

[sturdy sinew]

Oh yeah he is a fishman haha

[tiny hatch]

but they can still use haki even with seaprism

[coarse hinge]

Jack was fine bcs he's a fishman he can still breath on the water. Only losing swim ability like Vander Decker of Fishman

[slate wharf]

ye ok, look at luffy now

[tiny hatch]

so if they tried to kill kaido even with seaprism on him deactivating his scales he still has conqhaki armament combo

[coarse hinge]

Luffy saved bcs his neck scretched

[tiny hatch]

do you guys think seeing the future is actually observation + conqhaki

[visual merlin]

no

[tiny hatch]

I mean only characters we see do it also have conq haki

[visual merlin]

We've seen 3 people do it

that doesn't mean anything lmao

[slate wharf]

my point is the df was not deactivated just because he was submerge into sea

[visual merlin]

its an observation technique, Conquerors has no part in it

[tiny hatch]

but doesn’t mean it isn’t

[slate wharf]

it just made him too weak to move

[visual merlin]

Yea, what means it isn't is the fact that conquerors has no part in it whatsoever

[tiny hatch]

I mean 3 chars do it all have conq haki idk it could be

[visual merlin]

No

[pure raven]

This is the most accurate theory

[visual merlin]

just because those characters happen to have conquerors does not mean its related

those characters also have devil fruits

[tiny hatch]

if conq haki can fuse with armament it should be able to with observation too

[visual merlin]

it doesn't mean future sight is devil fruit infused in observartion haki

[pure raven]

Future sight is awakened observation Haki

[tiny hatch]

difference there is all dfs are different but they all have conq haki

[visual merlin]

No, there's no difference

its just a bad point

[sturdy sinew]

Is Luffy even using Haki in awaken form?

[visual merlin]

they all have coc, they also all have dfs

they are also all male

as well as all have armament

[tiny hatch]

probably

[royal grail]

doesnt seem like it

[sturdy sinew]

I mean armament

[visual merlin]

doesn't seem like it no, but thats because his haki is still coming back since losing g4

[tiny hatch]

Either way I wonder what conqhaki comboed with observation would do

[slate wharf]

he was emitting conquerors haki before he grab kaido so ye

[tiny hatch]

would it just super enhance observation

[visual merlin]

it probably is not a thing

[sturdy sinew]

Yeah but I mean armament. Possible of gear 4 plus awakening

[tiny hatch]

maybe it can let them use conqhaki with farther range ?

[visual merlin]

it probably just wouldn't be a thing

[tiny hatch]

knocking people out like a sniper

[slate wharf]

probably the same as how garp is using it, i mean look at luffy getting harm by garps punch even tho we don't see armament

[visual merlin]

people can already use a very wide range of CoC, its just not a thing

[sturdy sinew]

So nami had it too then lol

[tiny hatch]

that was before we knew about haki

[maiden charm]

Are there any theories about Robin and her DF, is it possible it's also a mythical zoan ?

[slate wharf]

it's foreshadowing haki somehow

[tiny hatch]

we never saw haki visualized back then nor have we seen garp actively fight or hit luffy now after ts

[maiden charm]

or any theories about her "devil" form in general

[pure raven]

What’s really crazy to me, is that now that Luffy has awakened his fruit every gear will be more powerful.

[sturdy sinew]

Yeah gear plus awakening

[coarse hinge]

That time still has no idea how Haki should be shown. If that moment happened post timeskip pretty sure, Garp armament will be clear

[slate wharf]

what we just know is luffy doesn't get dmg by normal punches, but only to specific things like blade, spikey things or garp

[tiny hatch]

wait did they actually call this gear 5

[pure raven]

Yes

[slate wharf]

it still make sense that he can hurt luffy

[brazen acorn]

hm garp just used haki?

[modest skiff]

Maria is 30 ft tall. Robin broke Maria over her knee. Robin had horns and fangs too. There’s no way there isn’t something very special about that fruit

[slate wharf]

probably enough to bonk luffy

[pure raven]

Yeah, that’s why his punches are so powerful

[tiny hatch]

wait if luffy was always in his zoan form that means he been had a zoan physical buff since being a kid

[coarse hinge]

I don't think base Luffy is zoan

[desert notch]

what?

[ebon cloak]

?

[tiny hatch]

unless gear 2 is his zoan

[desert notch]

isn't base luffy just in half transformation form?

[sturdy sinew]

Hahaha

[tiny hatch]

real question is this is gear 5 human zoan hybrid or full zoan

[slate wharf]

lol

[coarse hinge]

Y'all forgot Mythical Zoan has extra ability not only physical buff

[tiny hatch]

actually the gorosei say he turns rubbery when in combat

[tiny hatch]

which is the elasticity and the odd ability to make fire and electricity in attacks

[sturdy sinew]

Not when in combat why is Luffy always rubber

[tulip hedge]

Obviously Luffy isn't in a constant state of rubber

[tiny hatch]

luffy is always ready for fight but doesnt view nami as an enemy perhaps?

[slate wharf]

he's always a rubber even when not in a combat lol

[coarse hinge]

That's it. Imo maybe we can count Zoan while Luffy goes to transformation to his body but in base I don't think so

[tiny hatch]

thus some of her blows can hurt him idk

[pure raven]

He’s rubber when he’s not in combat guys, are we forgetting Amazon Lily?

[sturdy sinew]

Hahaha

[slate wharf]

nami hurting luffy is basically for comedy purposes, i thought ppl get that that i don't need to pinpoint

[merry aurora]

guys what do u think of the God Of Rain theory being Imo or Dragon

[pure raven]

Yeah it’s clearly implied

[formal bridge]

It could also be he let nami hurt him

[slate wharf]

nah nami has haki

[sturdy sinew]

Hahaha

[tiny hatch]

imo prob moon god honestly

[coarse hinge]

Buggy also have passive Bara Bara ability all the time, like he's been axed by Burogiri (Impel Down guard food supplier).

[formal bridge]

Dragon god of sea

[languid basin]

pretty sure the gears are his hybrid form

[coarse hinge]

Nami has love for him just as Garp. So we can continues another topic

[tiny hatch]

I mean thing is there is a possibility that not even the gorosei know what Nika can actually do

[sturdy sinew]

Well if no one had it for years

[formal bridge]

Someone said to me yesterday gorosei are immortal though

[tulip hedge]

yeah just like someone said luffy is a resin man

[tiny hatch]

doesnt mean they know everything though

[slate wharf]

i would believe this if they have law's fruit, ope ope no mi

[formal bridge]

Like more than 800 yrs old

[sturdy sinew]

Yeah like do they even know that Luffy ate that fruit

[formal bridge]

Ope ope no mi can't make themself immortal

[slate wharf]

doffy tried to steal it coz of how it does have an ability to make someone immortal so ye

someone

[tiny hatch]

you guys think law will use the surgery on anyone

[sturdy sinew]

Maybe zoro... Hahaha

[slate wharf]

imagine the drawbacks kekw

[formal bridge]

The user can make someone else immortal in exchange for their life if they are good surgeon only.

[tiny hatch]

honestly these past chapters tell me zoro is the most talented character in the series

[slate wharf]

literally what i'm talking

[tiny hatch]

sanji has modifications and luffy been a mythical zoan all this time while zoro just a normal ass human tanking this stuff

[merry aurora]

If I recall they mentioned in skypiea the God of Sun, the God of Rain, the God of Earth and the God of Sky I think

[royal grail]

there was this idea that luffy will use gear 5. However gear 5 will be way too taxing on his body so he will end up dying. to which law will then save luffy with the ope ope no mi, ending his own life.

Though I don't believe this will happen just because oda has mentioned before that he does not like killing characters because he wants people to be happy at the end of an arc.

[formal bridge]

Nobody mentioned god of moon either

[formal bridge]

Lol i fell for that one too

[tulip hedge]

I'm surprised not to hear much about it but I've always thought and still do, that Brook's fruit has huge potential if fully mastered/awakened
Like being able to bring people back to life among other things

[sturdy sinew]

Hoping for more backstory of zoro but I kinda like it too that zoro is just a normal or doesn't need to have a badass parents or whatever

[tiny hatch]

I mean atleast knowing how he ended up at the dojo and where he came from would be nice

[formal bridge]

Yeah like garp

[sturdy sinew]

Maybe zoro and xebec hahaha

[formal bridge]

Xebec died way early than zoro was born

[desert notch]

I think that luffy's gears are hybrid forms,but they are kind of in percentages. like base luffy is 10% sun god. gear 2 is 30% etc. Also i think that the new gear 5 form is still not completely sun god nika

[tiny hatch]

I just want to see luffy cruel sun someone now

[sturdy sinew]

Aw my bad haha

[coarse hinge]

Xebec died when Shanks & Buggy just 1 years old

[languid basin]

He’s also a human who ate the human human fruit so maybe that’s why he’s rubber and thought the fruit was a paramecia. I can see Oda leaving room for more power ups so he doesn’t get written into a corner.

[hollow jungle]

i think that xebec could have had luffys fruit but was using it for evil compare his siloette to gear 5 luffy

[formal bridge]

But it's weird that one of the wano guy that ran from wano looked like zoro even though he was ancestor of kuina

[desert notch]

yeah

[sturdy sinew]

Are we even getting a emotional zoro that wants to go back to sunny haha

[glad raft]

Xebec the real father of Dragon

[hollow jungle]

he thought the fruit was peramecia bc everyone said it was

[formal bridge]

Actually dragon never talks about garp

[tulip hedge]

Didn't Shanks just tell him what the fruit was?

[hollow jungle]

and thats not why hes rubber

[hollow jungle]

that or he looked in thedf enciclopedia

[tiny hatch]

plot twist xebec was garps wife

[sturdy sinew]

We don't know what shanks is doing hahah

[languid basin]

because his body is rubber, which might be because he’s a human who ate the human human fruit, so he doesn’t have to transform to use it 🤔

[coarse hinge]

https://www.opfanpage.com/2022/03/21/a-small-detail-missed-on-chapter-1043-cover-page/
BB Pirates at WCI ❗

[formal bridge]

Why did garp fight xebec then

[ebon cloak]

divorce

[hollow jungle]

can you join a vc i can explain why hes made of rubber i hate typing tho

[languid basin]

ik why he’s made of rubber, it’s cause Nika was made of rubber

[formal bridge]

Were roger and garp having affair

[hollow jungle]

thats not why

[tulip hedge]

100%

[sturdy sinew]

Yeah maybe Nika is just a rubber boy

[tulip hedge]

Sometimes it's just that simple, no need to overcomplicate it
Nika was a rubber man, or one of his abilities was to be a rubber man

[sturdy sinew]

Maybe that's his normal state

[formal bridge]

Is there a pic of nika and joyboy separately?

[sturdy sinew]

I don't know

[hollow jungle]

luffy is more cartoonish in gear 5 and can do more cartoonish things the main reason hes made of rubber is bc his power is a tribute to the oldest form of popularized art style rubber hose like steam boat willy

[slate wharf]

it works exactly like a paramecia when he still dk about g2 and above. ppl eventually believe it and never questioned so ye

[sturdy sinew]

Maybe we'll see more abilities but I hate too se that tbh

[glad raft]

Nika and Joyboy or two different people. joyboy could be a giant

[sturdy sinew]

G2 is just a cp9 thing

[languid basin]

that’s not the in story reason, but yeah that’s where Oda got inspiration from

[slate wharf]

no? i don't think any cp9 could do the same exact thing like g2

[formal bridge]

Nika could be giant too coz in Greek and Roman myth gods are giants

[alpine forge]

Dsmn buggy really has sone fruit
It is just that he is too scared to even use it

[slate wharf]

he was able to do it coz he is a rubber also. a human would be dead by now if not

[sturdy sinew]

I thought Luffy copied cp9 technique lol

[slate wharf]

he's basically speeding up the blood circulation inside his body. no human body could do that so

[formal bridge]

Cp9 techniques are too vague btw

[tiny hatch]

new theory: you see luffy has always been a fan of meat, his awakened reveals the strongest possible human zoan POPEYES Using the power of VEGETABLES HE SHALL BEAT KAIDO

[sturdy sinew]

I've seen my dog doing it too like kicking it's feet fast hahaha

[formal bridge]

He hates veggies

[formal bridge]

Your dog can do airwalk?

[sturdy sinew]

Now could sanji use that cp9 technique?

[tiny hatch]

true character growth

[sturdy sinew]

O my bad sanji moves so much faster now

[formal bridge]

Everyone does

[sturdy sinew]

Hahaha

[slate wharf]

luffy might got the idea of that airwalk in cp9 while using bounceman tho

[formal bridge]

Fastest running i have seen in op is Hancock when she trying to save luffy or attack those hurt luffy

[sturdy sinew]

I mean the soru of cp9

[desert notch]

but what are the other 3? and where does this theory come from?

[formal bridge]

Maybe bege kidd law

[drifting kiln]

maybe they aren't introduced yet

[formal bridge]

Air walk has same concept according to sanji

[hollow jungle]

one of them could be yamato

[sturdy sinew]

It's possible he is using it too?

[formal bridge]

Ofcourse he walked on air in dressrossa he calls it skywalk

[slate wharf]

luffy cheated his way into achieving that level lol

[sturdy sinew]

Hahaha yeah so maybe a human can do it with proper training with garp

[formal bridge]

Btw guys do you think who's who was stronger than rob lucci

[slate wharf]

such technique won't be acquired in a day or two. luffy even mentions that he has thought of a new technique at that arc iirc

[sturdy sinew]

Yeah it's just that his body was really made for that

[slate wharf]

i'm talking about the increase of pumping blood. no human could do that as they might/will die

[formal bridge]

Garp should have taught him when he was kid

[slate wharf]

it was never really implied if garp has teach luffy about certain techniques

[sturdy sinew]

If thats how it really works how can koby use it ?

[formal bridge]

Btw who thinks iron body is just armament haki

[slate wharf]

bruh. i'm basing on how luffy achieved it not on other ppl

[formal bridge]

He doesn't pump blood

[sturdy sinew]

Oh kinda get it hahha

[slate wharf]

idk how they (cp9 and other marines) could do that but we know they can

[sturdy sinew]

Just imagining kicking 10 times in a blink of an eye haha

[formal bridge]

I can do that if you blink very slowly

[sturdy sinew]

Lol

[hollow jungle]

what if the god theory does make sense we know luffy is sun god nika and i think yamato might be one too

[formal bridge]

Yamato is dog mythical dog

[formal bridge]

Guys normal zoan awakening is very lame

[manic timber]

I thought it was a wolf

[hollow jungle]

luffy has the gas cloud around him and we all thought it was the air leaking out ofhim what if thats not it

[formal bridge]

Inu inu no mi

[sturdy sinew]

Well eem

[manic timber]

Oh. I swear I saw someone say inu inu was wolf haha. Nevermind

[tulip hedge]

People say a lot of things

[hollow jungle]

enel is a false god

[formal bridge]

Japanese is weird they called kaido fish fruit

[sturdy sinew]

Well it's based on a myth?

[tulip hedge]

^

[manic timber]

That’s a very special fish

[hollow jungle]

have u not heard of the fish story

[tulip hedge]

Of the fish going up the waterfall and turning into a dragon

[formal bridge]

Nope

[manic timber]

Is this similar to the jar or the box story ?

[formal bridge]

Oh gyarados story

[sturdy sinew]

It's a fish that climbs a water that became or granted to be a dragon

[hollow jungle]

its the same for magicark in pokemon

[sturdy sinew]

Same entrance in wano lol

[tulip hedge]

the legend of the koi fish

[hollow jungle]

yes

[manic timber]

Oh shitttt. I dig it

[sturdy sinew]

Climbing waterfall to enter wano

[formal bridge]

Does that mean kaido was just a fish at some point hilarious

[tulip hedge]

That's what a lot of people assumed, would be funny if it's the case

[sturdy sinew]

Hahaha maybe

[drowsy wagon]

zoro is clapping the grim reaper in a 1v1

[tulip hedge]

like his regular zoan was a fish and then he awakened and became a dragon xD

[hollow jungle]

no bc when momo ate a copy of his fruit he wasint a fish but a dragon

[sturdy sinew]

Maybe that's why he is angry to big mom then goes to wano to climb a waterfall hahha

[tulip hedge]

That' could easily be explained by, when they copied the fruit it was already awakened/dragon form so it copied it when it was perfect/mastered

If they're able to duplicate fruits, nothing says they can't edit them

[formal bridge]

Why was it called failure then

[sturdy sinew]

Because it's color pink hahaha

[hollow jungle]

^

[pure raven]

That's the mystery. That's Oda setting up a question and potential Vega Punk forshadowing and characterization.

[tulip hedge]

I'm assuming it's cause it's lacking the will inside of it, maybe the will of Joyboy

[formal bridge]

Isn't that inside gomu gomu though

[hollow jungle]

i think it was deemed a failure bc it didnt have a will of its own like how all zoan fruits do

[tulip hedge]

Yes, so I'd guess they didn't know or were trying to replicate it since the fruit was already eaten
or yeah, a will of the zoan fruits or some sort of special component
Why else would it be deemed a failure? I wonder

[formal bridge]

Also btw gorosei never said name of joyboy when explaining df they only said nika

[pure raven]

In all honesty; I think it's just Vegapunk being a good man for the most part.

Everything he's done and everything that's been stated of him has been that he's brilliant and kind and wants to help people. He honored Kuma's last wish. He created a robot called the "Pacifista" aka pacifist because he doesn't want further blood shed but of course he doesn't truly control them, the government does.

And he stood against Caesar Clown and his further unethical experiments.

I think there's enough to say that if given the chance to create one of the most powerful devil fruits like Kaido's, he'd rather not let it fall fully into government hands.

[sturdy sinew]

Nice

[hollow jungle]

joy boy is a tittle thats why 800 years after the original died ppl still ask who is joy boy

[pure raven]

He's smart and knows the government can't be trusted and for the most part they trust him and he's developed enough good will at this point and the fact that no one is in his league in intelligence that he can maybe fudge a thing here and there like saying it's a failure.

Kuzan's Lazy Justice works the same way. Where he let's things slide because he's too "lazy" to deal with it even though flashbacks showcase that as a younger man he was active about it.

[formal bridge]

They should have added that joyboy ate it last

[pure raven]

Who do you guys think was the last gomu gomu fruit eater

Edit: no way to tell I know… but do you think it’ll be reveled?

[hollow jungle]

luffy looks like nika but is called joy boy by zunesha so its implied

[pure raven]

It doesn't matter explicitely because Joyboy is now associated with the awakening of the Gomu-Gomu/Model Nika fruit which hasn't been awakened since the voice century/Since Joyboy.

[formal bridge]

Xebec maybe

[sturdy sinew]

Is the fruit choosing only good person?

[steel forum]

what if blackbeard has a slave fruit and he can use the powers of the people that he encapsulated and the darkness is a representation of their despair

[pure raven]

I don't think so; Oda's not a man who writes in simple good or evil.

Anyone hear the theory that imu is the moon god since the moon has an affect on the sea and the waves? Would make sense since luffys the sun god now

He writes in Antagonists and Protagonists and breaks down notions of justice and good vs evil and all the aspects that comes with it. It's literally him being a good writer.

[sturdy sinew]

Why is it running away?

[hollow jungle]

its hard to tell bc only 2 ppl have used it and one of them we know nothing about

[pure raven]

Cuz it wants to have fun

[sturdy sinew]

Hahaha

[pure raven]

I question how the fruit runs; if anything I think something about the winds of fate being the thing honestly.

[mental hare]

What if dragon is one of those 4 gods

[formal bridge]

It's already explained that there is no moon god in op verse

[pure raven]

Where is it explained? I meant like a mythical zoan god btw

[sturdy sinew]

Maybe xebec had it?

[formal bridge]

Skypeia no moon god there but there was nika

[slate wharf]

u mean the gravity force of the moon while rotating somehow makes a waves in the earth oceans? anyways there's no moon god that's implied in op

[pure raven]

Yeah that

[drowsy wagon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/164971940648321024/957687249930178640/SPOILER_unknown.png hear me out

[pure raven]

Even if he did; it didn't matter. He couldn't awaken the fruit hence no Nika/Joyboy

[slate wharf]

only rain, sun, forest, and earth/land

[pure raven]

You can say the devil fruit had previous users but for the story, it doesn't matter since the only awakened one was Joyboy 800 years ago

Ok what about the void century. Is there a possibility imu has the ability to make people forget things and it’s such a powerful ability it takes a long time to charge up and use like king punch?

[sturdy sinew]

Hahah maybe oda would pull off the meme thing about zoro going wrong direction

[pure raven]

Maybe that was the last time the nika fruit was awakened

[formal bridge]

Then he didn't do a good job last time

[slate wharf]

this feels like aot kekw

[pure raven]

It literally worked? The gorosei asked him what century they should erase this time

[pure raven]

"make people forget" dawg, people don't live 800 years.

If anything just killing anyone and everyone in their way; genociding, and trying to scrub history of the void century is enough to make it forgotten; most real people don't know accurately what happened 800 years ago our time with all the science and tech we have today. No way in hell would the one piece world be able to keep track especially when everything is paper and burnable

[pure raven]

Ok fair point

Just discussing things I’m thinking lol. Idk if it sounds dumb

[formal bridge]

Did you forget those indestructible blocks

[pure raven]

The Poneglyphs literally can't be destroyed and they're scattered throughout the world. It's highkey why they tried to kill everyone who could read rather than trying to seek them all out.

[drifting kiln]

but there are also theories that imu is immortal because the ope ope fruiit

[sturdy sinew]

They even have buster call lol

[pure raven]

I agree with that; That's not a counter argument; that's a separate theory and one I agree with

[pure raven]

I can see this thanks to doffy’s dialogue

[formal bridge]

All gorosei are

[pure raven]

Yeah the gorosei have lived a really long time you’re right

[sturdy sinew]

What if an immortal had the ope ope?

[formal bridge]

The gandhi gorosei look alike gives me weird vibes

[pure raven]

I think that’s why they want it . They probably used the ope ope fruit 6 times and the 6th time it respawned it went to law

[sturdy sinew]

But they need to master the fruit right?

[pure raven]

The gorosei's only real evidence for immortality is that those guys didn't change at all with the time skip which isn't much evidence given the fact that Garp looks the exact same. So there's no proof of it other than speculation. Remember boys; You need to prove your argument before it's fact and not say it's fact and find evidence to prove it.

[formal bridge]

Doesn't mean much if they are not good surgeon

[sturdy sinew]

Yeah

[pure raven]

They all give me weird vibes lol

[pure raven]

nika is human

[formal bridge]

Look at sengoku

[visual merlin]

okay

[pure raven]

I have; he's changed. Garp hasn't; that's not counter argument; that's just a change into retirement.

Shooot I'd change into beach clothes everyday and just take a paycheck and make it someone else's problem

[spark topaz]

Gorosei might be the direct predecessors of the actual celestials. The only ones who get the knowledge passed down. Imu is immortal for sure tho

[formal bridge]

@pure raven garp retired too

[pure raven]

Ok here’s something that’s been racking my brain.

With the introduction of “mythical god zoans” does that mean the one piece world has Gods and fruits that the gods are based off of? Ie: Buddha

Or are the fruits just based off of what they imagined the gods to be?

[pure raven]

It's weird with that because he still showed up for Reverie.

[formal bridge]

Sengoku came too dressrossa too

[pure raven]

Imu is heavily implied immortal but no confirmation.

[pure raven]

That's cause he has an emotional stake to go. Corazon's saved kid, Law

[pure raven]

maybe it extends way past the void century . a world of gods and the fruit fruits are some how related to their abilities

[pure raven]

Well there’s also the fact that they knew about events that existed 800 years go

[slate wharf]

buddha isn't even a god. but a important person in buddhism irl ofc, but there might also be other df based on god like nika so ye

[formal bridge]

@pure raven garp is a training young marines now btw

[rugged mural]

any good theories on kaido awakening

[pure raven]

See that's where I'm also unsure.
Knowing what happened 800 years ago could just be private intel for the true rulers of the world. But whether or not that's an indicator of anything like immortality feels like it's a false equivalency.

[formal bridge]

Yeah you are right he isn't but some believe he is

[pure raven]

Ok I can see that

would anyone wanna see kaido follow (Joyboy) Luffy afterwards. he should die right?

[slate wharf]

those who don't know ye

[formal bridge]

In real life i mean

[spark topaz]

I feel like he might play a part on the final island for luffy's side but I doubt he will follow him

[pure raven]

I mean; I don't think he will; but I do see him and BM coming in for the greatest war the world has ever seen.

[pure raven]

You just reminded me of King saying kaido is the next joy boy. That should prove it’s a title then

[weak lava]

He wants to die, especially after all the dishonorable things he’s done in the name of trying to change(or save) the world.

[pure raven]

It could be both. But I think that's where the distinction is.

[formal bridge]

@weak lava same for big mom she ate her friends

[pure raven]

he's done so much harm. does he deserve redemption or death.

[weak lava]

Big mom is like possessed by that nun lady mentally

[pure raven]

The only explicit thing joy boy HAS to be is someone who brings joy as he fights ; as per: the gorosei

[pure raven]

She's not

[formal bridge]

Before she ate that nun

[weak lava]

She takes on all her mannerism and some of her personality on top of being an insatiable glutton

[pure raven]

Big mom hasn’t changed at all she just became more intent on her world vision

Edit: and kind of knows she can do whatever she wants now that she has the power to do it

[pure raven]

That's just her literally being raised by her and taking on her preaching. This isn't a possession thing. This is a "raised a child with your values" thing. And also weird subsequent trauma brain going "She disappeared"

[formal bridge]

@weak lava only good thing about bm is she wants everyone to live side by side(but she herself said her daughter third eye was ugly)

[pure raven]

^ BM has a vision she doesn’t mind hurting people to achieve

[weak lava]

Yeah I don’t think she wants to die in that case. Unlike kaido

[pure raven]

She’s just kind of an asshole

[rugged mural]

big mom is the low tier of yonko tbh

[formal bridge]

What is high tier

[pure raven]

Big mom has arguably the BEST durability in the universe lol

[weak lava]

Nah she’s hella strong and broken as hell. She fought giants as a kid. She’s just a huge piece of shit.

[rugged mural]

Whitebeard > kaido=shanks> BB > BM

[pure raven]

Maybe prime wb=Roger but the next two are definitely kaido>=big mom

[rugged mural]

i don't think kaido would've lost to law+kidd, but i can't base that on anything

[formal bridge]

What about shiki

[pure raven]

I’d say kaido is stronger or equal to big mom. Shanks just has the most balanced crew it’s been stated and bb is still kind of the rookie yonko so I’d say he’s last

[rugged mural]

shiki is cool, i haven't seen him in action enough to say, do we know his bounty?

i feel like bb, with the two fruits for some time now, has gotta be really OP, at least he's going to be a tougher fight for luffy compared to kaido, just based on plot progression

[pure raven]

I kinda firmly believe Kaido could beat the living shit out of Blackbeard without dragon form and it still wouldn't be close

[formal bridge]

@rugged mural he was in same crew with wb bm and kaido

[pure raven]

Idk kaido and big mom are kind of mutants. Black beard was a pussy until he got his first fruit

[solemn pendant]

Luffy is the “sun” and black beard is the “dark” can’t wait for it to go down

[formal bridge]

Bb has wb fruit though

[pure raven]

Remember fruits don’t make you strong, you gotta be strong and fruits just help u my example: Roger

[solemn pendant]

i feel like black beard will find the one piece before luffy and become pirate king, but luffy will have a full on battle claiming the title.

[pure raven]

Yea and I still stand by what I said

Give Kaido his club and or his bare fists and he'd beat the fuck out of BB; I'm not saying he wouldn't come out unscathed but BB definitely going down.

[formal bridge]

BB is way too cunning for his own good

[pure raven]

Kaido is an ogre and big mom is the harbinger of death. Then they got fruits. Black beard was a weird pie eating chicken.. then he got 2 fruits. He’s the weakest yonko lol

[solemn pendant]

Even with wb fruit kaido still beats his ass, black beard is morally smart with how he wins. Bro just comes for the clean up😭

[pure raven]

"Zhahaha I can negate your fruit Kaido!"

Kaido: Cracks knuckles "Who said I needed the fruit to beat tf out of you?"

[formal bridge]

I think BB can quake the shit out of him

[pure raven]

Can any fruit be awakened?

Maybe if bb awakens both fruits …..

Ace lost because he was so reliant on his logia form. And also didn't really showcase any major knowledge of how Haki worked.

[spark topaz]

Plus doesn't Blackbeard feel 2x the actual attack RIP

[pure raven]

He has to get hit once for it to actually "Read" the ability and then he's good.

[formal bridge]

BB trained his fruit really fast in a few months he beat so many big people

[pure raven]

but if you're just fighting bear fisted, Kaido has the W especially since we know he has future sight and already insane base durability.

But not the BIGGEST people literally and metaphorically lol

[rugged mural]

BB beat ace barely out of the gates in a fair fight

[pure raven]

Kaido with dragon form and it's not even a competition.

BB ran away when he saw the world government coming lol kaido would never

[spark topaz]

I wonder what Marcos awakening be

[formal bridge]

Lol fair fight between pirates?

[pure raven]

More advanced healing? idk

[spark topaz]

If luffy is human model zone shouldn't rumble balls work on him ?

[rugged mural]

aka we don't know that ace was nerfed in any way during that fight

[pure raven]

Maybe bringing others back from the brink of death

[pure raven]

Just cause fruit can awaken doesn't mean they will.

legit no idea. Drugs are funny like that and Chopper made it for his stuff so no clue.

[formal bridge]

Maybe healing others is his awakening

[drowsy wagon]

the grim reaper is just kanjuros drawing. zoro is not dead

[pure raven]

I thought he can already heal others

[pure raven]

Luffy still got that thing going on all those chapters ago where Luffy stated every use of gears shaves time off his life. So maybe He or Law come in and save him but who knows.

[spark topaz]

Ha can already do that with his flames

[formal bridge]

That's what i am saying he is awakened already

[pure raven]

Yeah the drumming heart beat Luffy has right now has to have a side effect

[spark topaz]

But awakening is quite taxing that's what I get from law and kids fight

[pure raven]

I don’t think Luffy can keep this up for long

[formal bridge]

@spark topaz it wasn't for doflamingo

Or katakuri

[pure raven]

To be fair we don’t know how long doffy had been using awakening. I think kid and law just started using them

[formal bridge]

That's a good point

[pure raven]

And we know for a fact Luffy JUST unlocked awakening

[spark topaz]

He was more used to using it and buy the end of it his strings couldn't keep up but if he wasn't then who knows

By*

[formal bridge]

Luffy will be finishing it fast anyways

[pure raven]

He will. But I’m worried about how he’s gonna be after… look at how he was after he used gear 4 the first time

I predict law or someone having to save him I hope they don’t die in the process

[formal bridge]

He literally died to awaken ofcourse it would take time for him to heal this time

[pure raven]

Laws death could be when they reveal his convo with Robin about the D clan

I don’t want law to die.

[pure raven]

he did say he was at his peak dont you think that includes his health too

[formal bridge]

It could be just adrenaline speaking it's happened before

[pure raven]

it sounded like how he felt after zoro took his pain

[rugged mural]

i hope zoro gets a power up from dying too

[spark topaz]

Yo what if luffy dies at Rogers age just cause of overuse

[formal bridge]

Awakened zoro

[pure raven]

Ah yes. Anime aids

[blissful star]

Zoro has zenkai like a mf saiyan

[rugged mural]

king of hell zoro

now that luffy is this strong, zoro has to get at least 80% there

[formal bridge]

But chopper working on curing all diseases

[pure raven]

💀 chopper can cure the incurable

[blissful star]

well one way to power him up is to make his conqueror haki busted like rayleigh's

[pure raven]

than comes marco and ruins his career

[formal bridge]

Or like garp

[blissful star]

i think the comparison with ray is more relevant when talking about zoro lol

[rugged mural]

i feel like he needs a flavor to his haki though, like some dark demon thing

[formal bridge]

@blissful star you can take oden too

[last halo]

Pretty sure 1044 100% confirms Blackbeard will be after Luffy’s fruit, the ultimate zoan fruit

If he doesnt have 3 already

[rugged mural]

how beast is kaido that he hasn't even had awakening yet and can take luffy gear 5 attacks

[formal bridge]

He already said way before he wants luffy fruit

I still can't believe his body can handle multiple fruits do you think this is a fake news made by wg too?

[slow agate]

It was never implied it would do that to its user. I personally dont like that idea at all and dont think its the case. Just that awakening lets user go even further into modifying his body -> more flexibility and strength and no toon powers of any kind.

[formal bridge]

@slow agate how did luffy make ground rubber then?

[slow agate]

Well, in my opinion, he can make inanimate objects into rubber by touching it. I really hope it doesnt extend further than that but its up to Oda. I dont think thats "toon power" and it was always expected from gomu gomu no mi awakening anyway.

[last halo]

I’m waiting for Luffy to turn into a Giant. Stretch his entire body. Maybe only in Elbaf, tho

[formal bridge]

Yeah I think so too but do you think he can use fire too now @slow agate

[barren steppe]

the problem is the make objects into element is a paramecia awakening not zoan

[formal bridge]

@barren steppe his fruit acts as paramecia and zoan too

Maybe logia too soon

[slow agate]

I wouldnt mind fire to some extent now that the fruit is nika. I was more annoyed by it before when it was thought as gomu gomu no mi.

[formal bridge]

I mean it's basic power is he can do anything he imagines

[slow agate]

Good point but was that ever explained to be the logic of awakenings? I dont remember that happening in manga.

[formal bridge]

@slow agate it was for normal zoan in impel down

[slow agate]

Oda gave himself a bit too much freedom with nika reveal

[formal bridge]

But it's nice something exciting

[barren steppe]

now the only power of the awakened zoans is durability and recovery

if the mytial zoans have a diferent awakening marco or kaido should have it awakened

[pure raven]

what are your guys theory with luffys eyes, emu, mihayk, zunisha, and the guy who sleeps and changes personality all have it

[rugged mural]

i still think luff's fruit is rubber, and not like 'anything he can imagine'

it's just that freedom manifests itself as a rubbery creature when it comes to body qualities

[formal bridge]

I think marco is awakened already and healing others is the benefit of awakening

Awakening doesn't have to be related to attack only

[split glacier]

BB isn't after Luffy's DF. He doesn't even know it's real name/form

[formal bridge]

He wanted luffy's df just to become immune to the pain he feels coz he feels more pain than normal due to his df

[split glacier]

When did this conversation happen?

[rugged mural]

agree

[formal bridge]

I think Burgess said that bb wants his fruit in dressrossa

[barren steppe]

im sure a cp0 member should have the true gomu gomu or a tenryubito

[rugged mural]

doens't make much plot sense for bb to to steal luffy's fruit, he's the darkness dude

[pure raven]

seriously?!, He left his crew and ; his friends he clearly doesn’t mind being lonely he does even have his own crew also luffy feels pain. Physically and emotionally. This is show. when zoro takes luffys pain or when ace dies. He wouldn’t of have recovered if it wasn’t for his friends.

[formal bridge]

Never seen a tenryubito with df

[split glacier]

That didn't happen. He only said anything about the Mera and Ace

[rugged mural]

i don't actually understand the point of tenryubito, or why these amazing people in WG are propping up these punks

[formal bridge]

@pure raven bb feels pain even from a little punch but luffy needs to get shit ton of damage to feel pain

Bb can take it but it's still pain

[barren steppe]

and now makes more sense more for bb to want luffy fruit

bb have a paramecia and a logia but not a zoan