manga-theories

[covert dagger]

So this is Godvalley, right? I really feel like it is.

[brave creek]

God valley dissapeard from the map even the navy doesn't know Abt its place

[timid steppe]

Xebec made it disappear with Yami Yami No Mi :0

[brave creek]

The only thing that make it dissapear or it sank underwater , is a strong conq haki clash or the quake fruit

[covert dagger]

Or it disappeared from the map and only the map

[tiny hatch]

Which characters do you guys think knew about the true nature of luffy's fruit?

[brave creek]

Ye to keep it a secret but I think sengoku said that even the navy doesn't know Abt its place right ?

[brave creek]

Imu Sama and shanks probably

[tiny hatch]

do you think rayleigh dragon or garp knew?

[brave creek]

No I don't think so

[tiny hatch]

clearly the gorosei also btw

[brave creek]

The knew or shanks told them

[tiny hatch]

seems like they been knew since they were already trying to get the fruit for it seems centuries

[brave creek]

Ye , but they probably didn't know that Luffy has that power tho

[tiny hatch]

I mean luffy says it like every other day

"I ate the gomu gomu fruit making me a rubber man"

[upper saddle]

talking about blackbeard, he and luffys fruit are very similar

[tiny hatch]

how so?

[brave creek]

They look pretty similar ye

[upper saddle]

well i cant send images here but search on google the yami yami and the "gomu gomu"

[upper saddle]

thanks, they are quite similar

[tropic vapor]

Yami yami no mi = Hito Hito no mi Model moon God

[tiny hatch]

honestly could be interesting

[brave creek]

Possible

[tiny hatch]

moon god would be prob stronger than sun god in the one piece world though since the moon is connected with the ocean

[tropic vapor]

saw it on a tt vid, to support this, the yami yami doesnt act as a normal logia, and the theory that bb has multiple personalities is just that he he has the moon fruit and the moon has different phases

[brave creek]

We only saw bb's power on the light so it won't seem like a normal logia since the light is the weakness of darkness , but we didn't see his power in the night

[tropic vapor]

if that is true then Luffy isnt fighting at full power either since its night time in the manga currently

[brave creek]

He is a sun god , what's the sun's weakness ? Idk , I only know that light's weakness is darkness , and darkness weakness is light

[tropic vapor]

the sun's weakness is time

Luffy already lost 20 years of his life saving ace + the time he lost using gear 2nd

[mellow sapphire]

Nika’s power being to change its user into a cartoon character makes me really hope Joyboy looks like Popeye

[tropic vapor]

I feel like this is connected somehow

[hollow sky]

foreshadowing bounty after wano??? 5 billion berries????

[tropic vapor]

imagine thoo

[mellow sapphire]

Honestly this might make Luffy the most wanted man in the world

[tropic vapor]

alive*

[mellow sapphire]

No, more wanted than Roger

[tropic vapor]

the most wanted dead and alive included is roger

[mellow sapphire]

More wanted than his dad

Luffy’s existence is a threat to the World Govt’s existence

Maybe not at this moment, but when the news gets out

[tropic vapor]

doubt it, Luffy is after the One Piece the secret of the WG while the revolutionary is after the WG directly, what do you think is more dangerous? I mean sure Luffy is a threat but he aint that big of a threat until he finds the One Piece

[tiny hatch]

it fits though

if luffy beats kaido and is known to be in an alliance with kidd and law ( maybe even be misunderstood to be subservant to him)

[tropic vapor]

when the sun explodes it will cause a massive disturbance in the solar system, leading it to its downfall

[tiny hatch]

I mean the bounty

[tropic vapor]

solar system, probably the galaxy

[tiny hatch]

its no coincidence that 5b is awfully close to roger's and might be luffy's final bounty or something

[tropic vapor]

Im tryna find reasons to support the 5 billion

[tiny hatch]

ah

I mean reason enough is luffy defeated kaido and might be considered the leader of the alliance of kidd and law who took down big mom

essentially making him the leader of a group that took down 2 yonkous at once

[pure raven]

https://youtu.be/EHIzkmHt-gE

[tropic vapor]

I still wonder why after MF luffy bounty was only raised by 100 million not like 300 million

[visual merlin]

Its more likely he'll get credit for kaido and they get credit for BM, ultimately if they wanna name a leader it'll be luffy, but the credit wouldn't be separated like that

[round widget]

If the world gov has sabo, marine ford 2.0 ?

[tiny hatch]

because he didnt do too much in the war tbh

[tropic vapor]

everybody was happy

[tiny hatch]

plus the pirates lost the war. Him going up 100m compared to his 300m was just an immediate change they did

his increase to 500m and 1.5b is them readjusting his actual threat level tbh cause after the time skip the governement and navy had no idea how strong luffy actually is

[tropic vapor]

he was the main reason ace escaped, mans had a fruit that could stretch, lead the team from Impel Down, escaped MF, bro was the grandson of Garp and son of Dragon. I feel like 100 million is so little

[tiny hatch]

I mean sure but at the time it was a 33% increase in his bounty

and they dont give out bounties above 500m that often in the first place

most 500m+ bounties we see are either current supernovas or were commanders of a yonkou/sabo

Luffy at the time was still fairly weak and no one new actually joined the crew plus none of his crew was there to show their strengths

[tropic vapor]

true but his bounty still felt small comparing it to the other jumps which was 30 mil - 100 mil - 300 mil

[tiny hatch]

not really

[tacit umbra]

So i thought about this literally 5 minutes ago
So there are 3 so called 'powers' in this world that would create havoc if brought together Pluton, Uranus and Poseidon
Pluton is a warship which was made in Water 7 ages ago
Poseidon is the mermaid princess
Now the question is about Uranus
Nico brought the word up during the fishman island arc, and i just think that to name anything a godlike weapon it should be absurdly powerful and after reading the recent chapter Luffy has becometh bery powerful
So is there any chance that the Nika Nika fruit is Uranus?

[tiny hatch]

cause the government has BEEN knew he was the son of dragon

so why raise it now after revealing it the the world when they could have at the beginning

[round widget]

World gov has been after his fruit for 800 years dude, when he defeats a combo of big mom and kaido 5 bill makes sense. He’s taking out two 4 billion berry bounties

You gonna give him a bounty lower then two pirates he defeated ?

[tiny hatch]

Possible since Uranus isn't the god of thunder but rather the god of the sky and the sun is in fact in the sky

[potent saffron]

I don't think the Nika Nika fruit is Uranus.

[tiny hatch]

he didnt beat big mom that was law and kidd

[tacit umbra]

exactly

[round widget]

Semantics really, his pirate alliance did.

[tiny hatch]

which wouldn't count as just him

thats like say blackbeard soloed whitebeard in marine ford

[round widget]

Literally not the same thing at all 😂

[tiny hatch]

how so Luffy didnt fight bigmom when she was defeated

atleast blackbeard had the finishing blow on whitebeard

[visual merlin]

its not reallly semantics. Kid isn't part of the alliance, and within the alliance law and luffy are considered equals

kid and law are gonna be the ones getting the major credit for BM, he'll get his major credit for kaido

[tiny hatch]

I mean luffy's will prob be 5b it just makes sense but it isn't cause he "beat bigmom" cause he didnt

[round widget]

Kids still rotting in a dungeon if luffy doesn’t free him. If law is an equal partner to luffy still same difference in defeating big mom

[visual merlin]

?

Those are both horrible points

[tiny hatch]

so dadan should be a yonkou cause she raised luffy then?

[potent saffron]

Nika Nika fruit is likely Chaos, which is the void (space) above the sky. It's pretty obvious that Luffy is based on Sun Wukong, which means monkey awakened to the void. And it is also likely that Oda may be playing on the fact that Sun = monkey in Chinese but Sun = Sun in English.

[visual merlin]

Luffy saving kid before in no way changes anything,. Luffy would also be dead if not for law's crew, this is so irrelevant. And if you're arguing for pirate alliance, law is officially an equal to luffy in that

[tiny hatch]

its literally called sun god

[visual merlin]

luffy being physically stronger in no way means he gets the credit for big mom

[visual merlin]

the nika nika fruit is rubber

[tiny hatch]

properties of rubber not rubber itself

[visual merlin]

Yes, its rubber, if it acts as rubber in every way, he is rubber, whether or not he looks like rubber changes nothing about whats relevant

[tiny hatch]

its very relevant rubber can melt and other stuff

[visual merlin]

he has every property of rubber without specifically looking like rubber,

[visual merlin]

so then he can do that

because he has all the properties of rubber

he just doesn't look like it

[tiny hatch]

so he can die from fire that can atleast melt rubber

[potent saffron]

Sun is a pun meaning monkey and sun.

[visual merlin]

whatever rubber can do he can do

he's rubber, not looking like it won't change anything relevant

[tiny hatch]

yeah properties like the manga says "properties of rubber"

[visual merlin]

dude

if he has every property of rubber

whether or not he looks liek rubber is irrelevant

it changes nothing important

its pointless

[tiny hatch]

properties of rubber and actually be rubber are very different actual rubber can't do what luffy does whatsoever

[visual merlin]

so we can move on from that

Yea, except he's just rubber

the only difference is he doesn't specifically look like it

[round widget]

So if law is luffy equal how is it not going to be framed as their alliance defeated Kiado and big mom. A lot of bounties are based on what’s put in the news, luffys jumped to 1.5bill after whole cake island because they “attacked the wedding” when all they did was barely escape and the tamate box exploded, but it was reported differently

[visual merlin]

thats not changing that he acts in every way as rubber

[tiny hatch]

he wouldnt have weaknesses of rubber though

[visual merlin]

It'll be framed as this group of people beat them. Kid and Law will get most if not all the credit for Big mom, Luffy will get most if not all the credit for kaido

[visual merlin]

He would, as he is rubber in every way but appearance

we also already know he is weak to sharp objects

[tiny hatch]

dude it was just luffy's crew and bege's crew that did the wedding thing and luffy not only beat katakuri but they also trashed it completely

[tiny hatch]

thats just weakness of being alive shoot I weak to sharp objects also

[visual merlin]

?

why do you think its made a point that he was immune or resistant to bliunt things

but weak to sharp things

[tiny hatch]

it is very specific wording they said properties of rubber not actual rubber

[visual merlin]

No, you're just completely overthinking it

he's rubber, he acts in every way as rubber

[tiny hatch]

he isn't weak to them its not like he bleeds more than other people he just doesnt have an invulnerability to it

[visual merlin]

whether or not he looks like a rubber band to you isn't changing how his body operates

[tiny hatch]

if it doesnt matter either way why not just be correct and say what the manga says and say he has the properties of rubber

[visual merlin]

Yes, as in its a weakness. He's immune to blunt shit, but not to sharp things, there's a reason this is highlighted early on

[tiny hatch]

I wouldnt say its a weakness though

[visual merlin]

Because thats completely pointless and wastes energy. He is rubber, we're told he is rubber. Im not going to write all that out just because he doesn't look like a rubber band

for all that anyone cares about, he's rubber, and so there's no point in complicating things

[tiny hatch]

like a knife isn't gonna be more effective on him than a knife on a normal person

[tiny hatch]

we just got told that he wasnt actually rubber

[visual merlin]

No, we got a specific description, it doesn't tell us he isn't actually rubber. And for the last time, even in your case you're arguing, he acts in every way as rubber

so this is very dumb

[tiny hatch]

rubber by itself has restrictions properties of rubber are completely different in its restrictions

[visual merlin]

this is pointless

the fruit power is rubber focused

[tiny hatch]

yes this is dumb I am clarifying what the manga just said and you are arguing against it

its a zoan that happens to give properties like rubber

[visual merlin]

the fruit is rubber focused, that was the point

nothing you're saying is changing that, so we don't need to devolve into that argument

[tiny hatch]

it isnt rubber focused though

[visual merlin]

yes it is, rubber properties is still rubber focused

[tiny hatch]

properties of rubber and BEING rubber mean different things

[visual merlin]

you're being pointlessly difficult now

[visual merlin]

yet both count as rubber focused

[tiny hatch]

the fruit gives properties that match up with rubber

[visual merlin]

dude

that is still rubber focused, please stop

[brave creek]

Luffy can basically shape shift himself also he still can use rubber powers

[tiny hatch]

its not rubber though

[brave creek]

It is

[visual merlin]

Please stop if you're just going to be difficult for no reason

[tiny hatch]

bruh it legit says its properties of rubber not actual rubber

[visual merlin]

and both count as rubber focused

again, stop if you're just going to be difficult for the sake of it

[tiny hatch]

if you have problem blame the translations or writing idk what to say

[brave creek]

When he grabbed kaido and carried him to the roof , he used his rubber powers to stretch his arm and grab him

[tiny hatch]

just cause 2 things share properties doesnt mean one is based on each other though

[visual merlin]

Are you listening to anything Im saying

[brave creek]

He is basically rubber , also he turned ground into rubber

[tiny hatch]

the fruit happens to let your stretch making you more resitant to blunt attacks and be immune to electricity

[visual merlin]

I will take that as a no

[tiny hatch]

wait when did he turn ground into rubber?

[tiny hatch]

I am but its been mostly just us repeating the same thing over and over I understand your point and reasoning but it just hasn't countered anything I've said

[visual merlin]

No, you're not because I am not arguing that point anymore. Im telling you either way it is rubber focused

[slate wharf]

it does actually, coz luffy is a rubber lmfao

[tiny hatch]

and I am saying its not because it just happens to have properties that are similar to rubber

[visual merlin]

if its a rubber body, its rubber focused. If its rubber properties, it is still rubber focused

[slate wharf]

here, with his awakening

[tiny hatch]

but cant can this also be explained with the ability to make things stretch and be elastic

[visual merlin]

no

[slate wharf]

no

[visual merlin]

He has every property of rubber, maybe at that point its a hint that the power is rubber

[tiny hatch]

the properties luffy have shown arent only seen in rubber

[visual merlin]

its not just stretching

[slate wharf]

Coz there are no other things that can negate a lightning strike like rubber

[visual merlin]

why do you think he coincidentally has every property of rubber

[slate wharf]

at least in this story

[visual merlin]

including both things such as stretching, turning things to rubber, and immune to lightning

[round widget]

Maybe he’s made of chewing gum or silly puddy

[visual merlin]

he also doesnt just stretch the ground here, he uses it to bounce an attack back

[round widget]

(Sarcasm)

[tiny hatch]

elastic

[slate wharf]

someone even have a theory of him having a resin. but still nah

[tiny hatch]

also rubber melts

[visual merlin]

so he makes things btoh stretchy and elastic, can stretch, can bounce bullets back, is still weak to sharp things, while also being immune to blunt damage, is electricity, and has been known as rubber the entire series with no issue

and somehow

you think he's not rubber

[tiny hatch]

lightning melts rubber so its not even immune to lightning

[visual merlin]

Thats just the extent of anime logic, the idea is there

[slate wharf]

bruh

[tiny hatch]

because we just got a reveal that it ISNT rubber but the fruit gives him properties of rubber which means its not rubber

[visual merlin]

dude

what do you think he is

[brave creek]

Bruh

[tiny hatch]

Last I checked rubber has nothing to do with HUMANS OR THE SUN

[visual merlin]

We have no clue what sun god means, and this is not the human fruit, its the human fruit model nika, the thing thats also rubber

again

[brave creek]

Nika was probably a rubber man

[round widget]

Well if his fruits awakening involves fire like the drawings it’s difficult to say he’s rubber tbh rubber melts

[visual merlin]

what do you think he is?

[tiny hatch]

just cause it has the properties similar to rubber doesnt mean its rubber

[visual merlin]

okay

so what is he

[slate wharf]

the sun god is just an epithet for nika gave by slaves.

[tiny hatch]

thats what I want to find out but he is described to be not rubber

[visual merlin]

so you have no clue what he'd be besides rubber

is what you're telling us

[tiny hatch]

Rubber can melt and isnt immune to lightning he has never been actual rubber

[slate wharf]

at least for now, as there are still mysteries for it

[brave creek]

Bro he literally stretched his arm to grab kaido , THAT AINT RUBBER !??

[visual merlin]

what else is he

[west burrow]

Hey y’all,
So what do you guys think of Blackbeard taking Kaido’s fruit?

[visual merlin]

doubt it

[tiny hatch]

unlikely unless blackbeard is nearby rn

[brave creek]

Can't see this happening

[leaden trench]

No don't have to fight the same DF, when Oda can creative come up with a Another OP DF

[tiny hatch]

a zoan that can make him elastic and can be immune to lightning which rubber isnt

[visual merlin]

Lets say just for sake of argument, the real substance is resin, why would they not just say he is resin?

[visual merlin]

dodging the question

[tiny hatch]

he isnt resin he is a zoan

[visual merlin]

Yea

and the zoan gives him resin powers

[potent saffron]

In Japan, there is a whiskey distillery called Nikka, which is owned by Asahi (which means morning sun).

[visual merlin]

instead of saying rubber properties

[tiny hatch]

it doesnt give either

[visual merlin]

Okay, Im gonna do this over

Im giving you a hypothetical here for the sake of argument

[tiny hatch]

it just makes him elastic and immune to lightning and has some heating properties it seems with all the steam we've seen

[visual merlin]

we're saying its something, but its not rubber

the zoan fruit gives him some ability that is like rubber, but isn't rubber

for the sake of argument, we're going to say that thing is resin

[tiny hatch]

a hypothetical that has nothing to do with my argument

[visual merlin]

Please just read

[tiny hatch]

I am not saying its resin you are adding stuff that doesnt connect to my point at all

[visual merlin]

I am not saying you are saying its resin

listen for more than 5 seconds

[tiny hatch]

so why make the hypothetical and say its for me if its not for my point AT ALL

[visual merlin]

Maybe you would find out if you actually waited and read what I had to say

[potent saffron]

Just type out the hypothetical in full.

[visual merlin]

sure

[tiny hatch]

I'll make you a hypotehtical if luffy was rubber he should have died against enel the end

[waxen tusk]

Any theories yet where will shanks will originally gonna bring the gomu gomu no mi?

[leaden trench]

Ace?

[tiny hatch]

probably just to keep it safe I mean he didnt eat it nor did he seem to be in any rush to bring it somewhere since he stopped to party at a random island

[tropic vapor]

ace had a fruit, mans would have died

[tiny hatch]

ace didnt have a fruit back then

[waxen tusk]

Imagine if shanks knews it all along

[visual merlin]

The power is the Nika fruit. The Nika fruit gives you the power of some substance, we are saying that substance is like rubber in these properties, but isn't actually rubber. For the sake of argument we're gonna act like this substance is Resin. So Luffy's power is the nika fruit, which gives him the power of resin, why would they go through the trouble of saying "rubber properties" and "rubber body" if they can just say resin? @tiny hatch

[leaden trench]

I meant he went to visit Roger son thinking he might be joy boy when Luffy accidentally ate it

[tropic vapor]

yeah but the time he was starting to get noticed he had it

[tiny hatch]

i dont think its a substance though if anything its just elastic

[visual merlin]

That is not an option , if its just elastic, he wouldn't be immune to lightning. He is very clearly a substance

[tiny hatch]

he is elastic and can be immune to lightning

[visual merlin]

how

[tiny hatch]

whatever the hell nika is

[visual merlin]

why is he also immune to lightning

Okay, so this is clearly hopeless, but lets just put this into perspective

[tiny hatch]

same reason steam can generate from his body idk but to say he is rubber just isn't true

[pure raven]

?

[tiny hatch]

I don't know what he is but I know what he isn't and that is rubber

[visual merlin]

basically, everything is pointing to rubber powers. He has all the properties of rubber, has been rubber the entire series and whatnot, but you'd rather believe Nika isn't rubber, and just so happens to be elastic, + can stretch + is immune to lightning

[tiny hatch]

he also has all the properties of resin does that make him resin

[visual merlin]

hopeless

[tiny hatch]

yes he has properties that rubber also "has" but he has more

HECK mochi is an insulator just like rubber

and can stretch too its not unique to rubber in any way

[potent saffron]

I like your reasoning. However, I would posit that he can be both rubber and other things. Because your conclusion that he is rubber requires a necessary but unstated premise that Nika has to be one thing and cannot be two things.

[terse tangle]

Guys. He is Nika. An in-story thing. He has rubber properties. Oda can just shove in all things having rubber properties can do. Doesn't have to be specifically just this and that

[tiny hatch]

but he isn't rubber he has the properties of rubber but he isnt rubber

to say nika is based off rubber is to say mochi is also based off rubber

[potent saffron]

This is a false analogy.

[tiny hatch]

since it has the same properties as rubber and a bit more

[tiny hatch]

how so?

[potent saffron]

nobody is saying that mochi is also based off rubber.

[tiny hatch]

manga specifically states he has the properties of rubber and this guy was saying nika HAS to be rubber because it also has the same properties as rubber

[potent saffron]

why does that make you mad.

[tiny hatch]

and I am noting if that is your reason to why it has to be rubber based so should mochi as that reason fits there also

all I said was but Luffy isn't actually rubber and he refuted that he HAD to be rubber

[terse tangle]

Mochi and rubber are two different things... if you were to venn diagram them they're not even in the same circle. They just have a touching point of like maleabitility or sort. Resin is a better example

[tiny hatch]

yeah but we have a mochi fruit and not a resin fruit

his points were its elastic and is an insulator for electricity the 2 properties of rubber so it has to be rubber

[terse tangle]

Yeah but it's still false analogy. Look for another 😆

[tiny hatch]

mochi shares both of these properties also

its not a false one though mochi shares both these properties

and his reason to why Nika HAS to be rubber is because it also shares these properties

and with that logic and reasoning mochi would have too as well since it also shares these properties

sure resin might be a bit better but mochi is more fitting considering its a fruit we have seen in the series

[potent saffron]

Romeow just explained that mochi and rubber only share some properties. your conclusion only follows because you also have a necessary but unstated premise that these shared properties are the only significant elements to your argument.

[tiny hatch]

my argument isn't that mochi is rubber

[terse tangle]

Mochi isn't even immune to lightning nor can it induce fire. You're pushing the analogy because of 1 shared trait is what I am trying to point

[tiny hatch]

my argument is that being elastic and immune to lightning shouldn't mean nika HAS to be rubber

[terse tangle]

This is what we pointed out as false analogy

[tiny hatch]

thing is neither is rubber both are just insulators, Lightning would melt both

while luffy is full on immune to lightning as seen by enel's fight

[dry kindle]

Soooo guys there are different gods ?
Dragon being god of rain ?

[tiny hatch]

possibly maybe each god actually represents a different devil fruit

in ancient times information would be less known so someone with a devil fruit would seem much more like a god just like enel

[peak swift]

Nika is rubber man,

[terse tangle]

The idea with the immunity is that it takes into the fact that rubber doesnt conduct it. Like it doesn't care how large the volt is. It just is.

People just like to take things way into reality because 1 million volts would've melted actual rubber.

[tiny hatch]

how so though in the argument I had it was specifically because of the points made that I made such analogy

[tiny hatch]

mochi is also an insulator it doesnt conduct either

if anything the fact that luffy didnt melt from lightning

should actually prove that he is in fact not just rubber, him being immune not because rubber but because nika actually explains that

[dry kindle]

Imu being land god ?
Makes sense
Mythical zoan being smthg called tree god dryad

[terse tangle]

Then that I will concede. But mochi can't produce fire nor burn by itself. Even if rubber can't as well by itself but with friction it does have some heat. But that is also assuming that it was pure rubber in the first place

[tiny hatch]

yeah I know but again my analogy was specifically to make fun of the fact that it didnt make sense

since their reasoning was Nika must be rubber since elastic and immune which mochi also shares so I was saying it wasnt a valid reason

[tiny hatch]

idk if imu is land god though

we do legit have an ancient character called the continent puller

[opaque pivot]

He is "sun god"

[tiny hatch]

sun god seems to just be a title

[cunning wadi]

what other anime characters does luffy beat in a fight now with his new power limitations?

[tiny hatch]

well we dont know his new limitations so nothing new added

[cunning wadi]

oh

[tiny hatch]

I mean he can make materials elastic now thats all we know that is new

guess he can now has a pseudo immunity to swords now

since he can just make them elastic

[pure raven]

1044 spoilers
||GUYS THIS ONE IS A BIG ONE!

what if the hito hito no mi summoned the lightning that saved luffy in logtown!?||??

[tawdry bramble]

It was dragon.

[river plaza]

It was dragon's doing

[grave pike]

Ok

[peak swift]

Lightning can melt rubber? What sorcery is that

[tiny hatch]

yeah lightning is hot as hell

[wet perch]

Literally melts sand into glass, called fulgurite

[peak swift]

I mean can a lightning hit a rubber? I'm bad at science

[steel stream]

If anyones played Uncharted then they know of Henry Avery, a real pirate. Apparently Blackbeard was supposed to be named Avery instead of Teach.

[formal bridge]

Yeah seen a tire being burnt after hit by lightning.

[tiny hatch]

rubber just insulates electricity

[peak swift]

Oh shhh lightning is hotter than the surface of the sun, rip rubber

[tiny hatch]

the stronger the voltage the worse it gets at insulating it

its just anime logic that rubber is immune even though it really isnt

otherwise we'd be using rubber a lot more and lightning wouldnt be a problem

[formal bridge]

No it's the fruit that isn't normal rubber

[leaden trench]

You guys remember 4 picture IMU was holding? They are the God's, Luffy is already confirmed Sun, Vivi Rain alabasta incident Shiraoshi and BB

[modest skiff]

!theories

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using #manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description.

[leaden trench]

Shiraoshi forest she keep talking about visiting Forest and BB with Quack Quack fruit

[formal bridge]

Quake

[tiny hatch]

thats actually a good shout I never thought about

we have special wood who is to say we dont have special rubber

[peak swift]

We are serious, this gorosei didn't know how serious we are here smh

[formal bridge]

Btw what do you think uranus is

[tiny hatch]

My bet was always a weapon that controls the weather

but it might very well be Nika fruit

[formal bridge]

Pluton is a ship
Poseidon is mermaid princess

[tiny hatch]

if there is a fruit that is nicknamed the sun god there has to be a fruit nicknamed the moon god

[formal bridge]

@tiny hatch moon god doesn't exist in opverse though

Nika existed since skypiea

[summer laurel]

There is a theory that says BB holds that fruit. The theory also explains the multiple BBs theory where the moon has different phases thus different BBs

[tiny hatch]

I mean the moon god would make too much sense

[lunar topaz]

mute done

[tiny hatch]

considering we have a literal race of moon people and the moon is known to be heavily connected to the ocean

[formal bridge]

@tiny hatch there is no earth god though till now except vearth maybe

[naive wolf]

guys what if Nika was a character from a comic long ago, no joking, we seen in op universe there are comics, like the one about germa 66

[tiny hatch]

wasnt there that one panel talking about sun god rain god land god and forest god

[formal bridge]

Yeah but no moon god land god was called vearth

[naive wolf]

will also explain the rubber hose quality of the nika fruit

[formal bridge]

@naive wolf there is also buddha fruit that sengoku ate

[naive wolf]

yaa, i mean i m pointing to the idea that df were created by someone who inspire by myths and fiction

[modest skiff]

We have not seen a zoan from anything that never existed. And from WCI arc we are shown that devil fruits use lineage factor, which would not be possible with a comic book

It should not be possible to make a devil fruit out of something that isn't real

[somber sphinx]

Some parts made sense still https://twitter.com/StrawhatUFO/status/1505559874104885249?t=5JcggLAOEgKfIKTTTdDKNQ&s=19

Mr UFO 👒🛸 (@StrawhatUFO)

One Piece Theory:

Sarutahiko Okami. The God of the Crossroads. The Original Tengu.

There’s been theories about Sun Wukong and Hanuman…but could he be the true inspiration for Joy Boy?

#onepiece #onepiecetheory

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[formal bridge]

Btw do you guys think bara bara no mi is as good as ope ope no mi when awakened

[tiny hatch]

I mean that is a huge theory

why are so many fruits based off man made objects and myths like why is there a fruit that makes you a gun or a jacket?

last I checked jackets didnt exist in nature

[modest skiff]

Power comparison discussions go in #manga

[formal bridge]

Why is there a mochi mochi fruit did the creator think let's make a fruit for everything

[tiny hatch]

mhm

[modest skiff]

Toki is never described as a devil fruit user. It is possible that devil fruits existed after the powers they give

[naive wolf]

well we don't know if actually existed a buddha and a phoenix, also the ancient zoan on kaido fruits are so weird, it kinda makes sense someone created by his own headcannon of how those creatures were and how they used to hunt

[pure raven]

He was hungry maybe

[tiny hatch]

Unless the fruits just generate based off the thoughts of humanity or something so as technology and stories are told more fruits come into existence

[stone sparrow]

what is kaido has a similar situtation to gol d roger, where kaido's real name is kai d o

[pure raven]

Like he did fruit based on his necessities

[tiny hatch]

true her name legit is Toki meaning time

[formal bridge]

https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Toki_Toki_no_Mi

[modest skiff]

This entry is an assumption based on her power but the fruit is never shown and there is no mention in the manga of her eating a fruit

[tiny hatch]

wait

[formal bridge]

That happen 800 years ago nothing concrete is shown that far back

[tiny hatch]

800 years into the future wg was looking for nika for 800 years

[modest skiff]

Yes, the assumption is that Nika failed against the WG and Toki jumped into the future once the whole plan fell apart

[formal bridge]

I mean no flashback that far has been shown clearly

[tiny hatch]

I still think Oars is the land god

[modest skiff]

[tiny hatch]

I mean Continent Puller is legit his title

[formal bridge]

Btw i think finally luffy can now become giant without pumping himself with air

[tiny hatch]

i mean he never had to in theory tbh

if his whole body can stretch so can his organs and muscles and bones

[formal bridge]

He can just imagine himself become giant

[tiny hatch]

pumping in air never really was needed honestly it make no sense

cause wouldnt he need more blood if he made his muscles filled with air

and its not like he deflates when he is stabbed

[formal bridge]

Oda is not a science student i think

[tiny hatch]

honestly its always made my skin crawl just imaging air being pumped into your body like that

[formal bridge]

@tiny hatch if you talking about blood how can buggy separate without bleeding

[tiny hatch]

no I meant like luffy with pumping his body with air

[formal bridge]

It's not gore anime so each person cannot bleed more than a glass of blood

[tiny hatch]

yeah but still

makes my skin crawl

[formal bridge]

Btw does anyone knows if garp has known about the true power of df?

[tiny hatch]

no clues so far

he never seemed to have made any remarks on luffy's df I dont believe

[formal bridge]

I mean he keeps saying luffy isn't there yet whole time

[tiny hatch]

Prob something only those who know about the void century would know

[slate wharf]

ye coz balloons doesn't work this way

[compact grail]

He mean his strngth

[formal bridge]

But he can now

[slate wharf]

luffy's awakening gave him more freedom in fighting which is why he can now shapeshift without limitation or requirements like inflating his arm with air

[tiny hatch]

I mean ballons are hollow we are not especially in our arms

[formal bridge]

@tiny hatch first of all how can he blow himself without making hole in his body

[slate wharf]

the point is we can see the upgrade of luffy. also don't apply too much real life logic in an anime, i makes my skin crawl

[naive wolf]

yeah, maybe the ones who created the df just created some kinda cycle of it, and this cycle gets updated from time to time, so 800 years ago there wasn't a fruit like daz bone and baby 5, but maybe there was a paramecia of spear or bow, something like that, but now it evolves to nowadays kinda weapons

[tiny hatch]

maybe its just based off the imagination of the user

since baby 5 knows what a gun is her fruit not lets her make a gun

alot of fruits seem to be limited by the knowledge of the user like law's ope ope is only really op in the hands of a doctor

[molten sluice]

how do u guys think op will end

[slate wharf]

laughing

[tiny hatch]

you think it will end?

[molten sluice]

ye i mean oda said

[tiny hatch]

with its popularity it seems like a series that would get a side story like a prequel or sequel tbh

roger's journey would be fun even if it would much shorter and only focuses on important stuff

[molten sluice]

there is 2 people who know the ending of one piece, firstly a kid with cancer, oda told him the ending, and oda himself

[tiny hatch]

eh his wife prob knows too

[molten sluice]

imagine if the kid was still alive, oda would freak out

[formal bridge]

I think that kid took the secret to his grave

[molten sluice]

ye, may he rest in peace

[tiny hatch]

oda prob has some other people who know just incase he were to ever get sick or die in some way or atleast have it written as notes

[formal bridge]

Man i don't want him to die

[tiny hatch]

I mean oda has had the ending ready for a while since one piece was planned to be only like half of its current chapters

[shadow flume]

Oda’s editor and his assistants may know too

[tiny hatch]

I dont either

[molten sluice]

i think the ending would probs be something mad crazy, because theres nothing in the anmie that we didnt perdic the ending would be, like roger being alive, or luffys dad or the one piece isnt real or smth like that

[compact grail]

I dont know if its true or not i read it before that oda dint change the ending. Before it stretch out after water 7.

[tiny hatch]

nor do I want him to be in any scandals too many manga have been canceled because the authors couldn't keep it in their pants

[molten sluice]

oda knew the ending before evening making one piece

[tiny hatch]

One piece has been confirmed to be something

no bs like the treasure is the journey oda confirmed that

[molten sluice]

wallah i cant wait for the ending, when i gradute hs the ending will be out

[tiny hatch]

dude it baffles me that luffy is yonkou level rn or damn near it

[molten sluice]

bro he can smack akiaun wdym it baffles u, hes a fucking god bro

[tiny hatch]

like he was barely yonkou commander level an arc ago

heck he was below cracker level 2 arcs ago

[molten sluice]

hes a sun god bro what do u think he became the strongest living creature, he suprasses naruto with gear 5

[tiny hatch]

dont you even dare bring any other anime into this

[molten sluice]

believe it or not im still at dressrosa ep 701 :shame: , but i read the newest chapters

[molten sluice]

wdym, he suprassed naruto its so clear, theres no way naruto max form bayron mode is touching luffy, luffy claps narutos verse now.

[tiny hatch]

calm down bro nika is NICKNAMED the sun god not an actual god

[sick turtle]

Um stop, this is not a place for arguing

[molten sluice]

we arent aruging

[pastel kayak]

Not a place to mention other manga

[tiny hatch]

it is pointless to compared to verses with hugely different power scalings and abilities

[sick turtle]

Also

[molten sluice]

its a theory

[sharp steeple]

?

[slate wharf]

the only thing i can agree with u lmfao

[pastel kayak]

Oh well.. Hope you won’t get ban for it 🙂

[compact grail]

I think the strhawhat will go to elbaf after this, if joyboy is really a giant there is a chance the last poneglyp will be in thre, that will lead them to final island

[molten sluice]

ight i wont lol

[sharp steeple]

Pretty sure Nika is the one piece universe's sun god tho?

[tiny hatch]

yeah but its "Sun God" Nika

[sick turtle]

Lol yes especially if we don't know a character strength yet

[molten sluice]

nika fruit MAKES him a god, the power saved him from dying

[sharp steeple]

Wat?

[tiny hatch]

which is kinda like a title kinda like 'king of Beasts" kaido

[molten sluice]

the power transformed his body, and HE solos kiado now, no help

[sharp steeple]

So, does the fruit make Buddha the buddha? hito hito mi model buddha

[formal bridge]

Yeah look at sengoku

[sick turtle]

@molten sluice just shut up will you and just wait for the next chapter to come out?

[slate wharf]

ye, it would also make sense if joyboy was a giant as there are giants that carries the name of D, and that scene with imu having a giant strawhat

[sharp steeple]

No, the myth zoan have wills, they are existing entities

[tiny hatch]

I mean luffy has been had help with kaido

[molten sluice]

relax fam, im just chatting

[tiny hatch]

how so

[compact grail]

Another series of fruit than hito hito nomi is hebi hebi, sister of boa are also hebi hebi and mthicalnof hebi is orochi but diffirent model

[sick turtle]

Well not a place for chatting, ppl gives their theories in here and discuss

[tiny hatch]

look we have 4 hito hito fruits now 3 of which are mythical zoans

[sharp steeple]

Popular theory, but I think Red Line will be destroyed, combining all the seas, splitting it into 2 oceans All blue would make sense

[formal bridge]

Guys what do you think happened to sabo

[sick turtle]

In jail

[sharp steeple]

Nothing

[tiny hatch]

Wait I think we have 7 myth fruits and 7 logias right

[sick turtle]

Lol I mean cell, in mariejois

[formal bridge]

So is luffy gonna save sabo and bentham soon?

[sharp steeple]

Doubt, but possible

[tiny hatch]

Buddha, monk, nika, dragon, phoenix, yamato, orochi are all the myths right

[sharp steeple]

not dragon, fish

[sick turtle]

Smh

[formal bridge]

Monk who?

[tiny hatch]

Not phoenix either than bird right? Monk is the fox that stole weapons from people

[sick turtle]

Urouge or something his name is

[sharp steeple]

Dragon is ancient zone not myth and dragon = dinosaurs

[tiny hatch]

yeah its a mythical fruit based if a monk youkai or something

[formal bridge]

No he is saying about the one in wano

[sharp steeple]

It's fish fish fruit that kaido has

[sick turtle]

I was about to say something about that but welp

[formal bridge]

Kaido one is myth

[sharp steeple]

Ik but it's fish not dragon

[tiny hatch]

yeah but I am saying the model not the actual fruit name

otherwise I’d be saying hito hito hito fish bird dog snake

[formal bridge]

He himself said dragon dragon fruit

[sharp steeple]

Lmao nah

[sick turtle]

Huh

[formal bridge]

It's chinese dragon like momo

[sharp steeple]

Kaido's fruit is Uo Uo or Fish Fish mythical zoan

Dragon fruits are "Dinosaurs" ancient zoan

[tiny hatch]

Kaido’s fruit is Uo Uo: model Seiryu which legit means fish fish model blue dragon

[compact grail]

If mthical is rarer than logia why all of them appearing rn

[tiny hatch]

well we have 7 myths and 7 logias rn

[formal bridge]

Because it's new world

[sharp steeple]

Because OP is coming close to the end, he's showing us what he can

[tiny hatch]

and we are in the arc where there is an entire crew based of zoans funny thing is 2 of said myths are a fricking fox and orochi -_-

[compact grail]

You forgot the fox inn bb pirates

[tiny hatch]

Shoot you right

[sharp steeple]

Kyubi kyubi fruit

[formal bridge]

@tiny hatch what is power of orochi btw

[sick turtle]

That's nine tails fox right

[tiny hatch]

he can be beheaded a lot

[sharp steeple]

8 or 9 headed snake, Like a hydra

[tiny hatch]

he never learned to use his fruit so who knows

[formal bridge]

That is lame getting beheaded
He is even scared of momos sister

[sick turtle]

He might did learn but just didn't bother to learn it to fight

[tiny hatch]

Just so your guys know Orochi ate the Orochi fruit

[compact grail]

His fruit is actually a op but eat by lame

[old flare]

i think shanks went and told the gorosei that luffy ate the hito hito no mi

that happened during the beginning of wano and now cp0 is in wano

[formal bridge]

No he told about blackbeard

[sharp steeple]

that's a meme

[tiny hatch]

if you want to know what his fruit should be able to do look up orochi

[sick turtle]

My theory said imu is the one who told gorosei back in reverie arc

[sharp steeple]

Shanks didn't tell them shit, he's no snitch. He prob talked about BB

[old flare]

yea imu had luffys ppic in his hand

[compact grail]

Nope gorosei already know its a hito hito, they already trying to get that for a decade

[sick turtle]

Hmm

[tiny hatch]

wait guys

[old flare]

they probably didnt know luffy ate it

[sharp steeple]

They did

[old flare]

otherwise they couldve just send kizaru to clap luffy in the east blue

[formal bridge]

He literally keep saying gomu gomu no mi every move

[sharp steeple]

pre timeskip, 100% did, East Blue saga? prob not By, alabasta? definitely

[sick turtle]

Not decade but centuries

[tiny hatch]

Yamata no Orochi the fruit Orochi ate is apparently the dragon god that controls water

You telling me the one df that might have powers over water was eaten by OROCHI

[old flare]

the gorosei probably didnt know that luffy ate that fruit

[sharp steeple]

Cap

[tiny hatch]

thats what I’m saying

[formal bridge]

They know the true power way before luffy ate it

[sick turtle]

Smh

[compact grail]

They hide the name to not alert the other people, if they send an admiral to crush a rookie.

[tiny hatch]

how they not know this, but tbh by the time they knew of him they were already hunting him

[old flare]

they know about the fruit bro but i dont think they know he ate it 💀

[sick turtle]

We don't know anything yet tho

[tiny hatch]

just never knew where he was at all times

[formal bridge]

That is what i am saying luffy literally announces it with every move

[tiny hatch]

real question is how did robin get a df

[old flare]

ikr 💀

[sick turtle]

Uh

[tiny hatch]

did she just steal it

[old flare]

i honestly think luffy can beat akainu one on one now

[formal bridge]

Guys do you think dragon has mythical zoan or logia?

[sick turtle]

💀

[old flare]

imagine if luffy awakened in paramount war 🥶

[tiny hatch]

paramecia or a logia

[spiral comet]

Wen Lambo ?

[formal bridge]

@tiny hatch why paramecia?

[tiny hatch]

control weather

[sick turtle]

One piece would end 5 years ago

[old flare]

istg

[tiny hatch]

that or he has uranus and that controls the weather

[formal bridge]

Can't mythical zoan do that

[tiny hatch]

yeah but he never showed any zoan traits

[sick turtle]

Kaido could I think

[formal bridge]

Luffy did neither

[tiny hatch]

plus too many mythicals already

[tiny hatch]

I mean luffy has a transformation that we have never seen any paramecia have which is prob linked as a zoan

[formal bridge]

But we didn't know till this chapter though

[tiny hatch]

like no paramecia even has anything close to the gears which was kind of a clue ngl

Yeah but thats atleast a slight clue dragon hasnt shown anything other than lots of wind

so maybe wind logia we do need more logias not enough compared to myths

[compact grail]

If you are questioning luffy a rubber ability but a mytical zoan, they why sengoku use a shockwave as a buddha

[formal bridge]

What about that lightning

[tiny hatch]

myths are meant to be rarer yet we have 8 myths and like 8 logias

[stray warren]

I'm hearing that the limit to imagination was a mistake in the translation and there's no limit at all, but aside from that what if shanks already knew about the fruit and made luffy think it was a rubber fruit only, so that luffy would only use a portion of the fruit's power and build up from there with his imagination growing so that he wouldn't be targeted at a young age by the world government since that's a very important fruit to them, also could be the reason why he didn't use haki because he didn't want to hurt luffy since he had such a valuable fruit hence saying he bet it on a new generation

[tiny hatch]

wait 9 logias

[unique cairn]

bro what if pluton is luffy's human human fruit : model nika

[stray warren]

this makes more sense than the shanks rat thing

[formal bridge]

Pluton is a ship

[tiny hatch]

You mean uranus

[unique cairn]

ya

[formal bridge]

There is a theory uranus is on giant island

[tiny hatch]

Idk maybe uranus is the god of the sky and sun is indeed in the sky but I think dragon prob has uranus

[sick turtle]

Mythical hito hito no mi specialty?

[stray warren]

dang I got ignored

[sick turtle]

Bruh

[tiny hatch]

one is an attack the other is being rubber for some reason

hito got some weird specialties

[formal bridge]

I think luffy can control fire now

[sick turtle]

xD

[compact grail]

Attributes maybe, sengoku, shock wave luffy rubber, marco healer,

[tiny hatch]

really random attribute of rubber though plus luffy has red hawk and his thor thing

[formal bridge]

Btw now that we know luffy has zoan type can a non living thing eat it?

[tiny hatch]

so he has a fire attack and an electricity one

[unique cairn]

luffy's fruit abilities are fight with creativity and rubbery body . His fighting skills are only limited to his creativity and thinking

[tiny hatch]

yes and an animal can eat it and be human too since its hito

[sick turtle]

I don't think a hito hito no mi would work on non living thing

[tiny hatch]

which is no different from just rubber id thats the case

[formal bridge]

What if their ship ate it

[compact grail]

Maybe if the nika df is awakened by other people it will be diffirent

[tiny hatch]

if a sword can be an elephant why not a human

[formal bridge]

Why not

[sick turtle]

You guys don't think the df could actually refuse the user

[tiny hatch]

Listen an elephant was ok with being a sword

[sick turtle]

Cuz it's been running away from the world govt for 800 years now

[unique cairn]

i guess it's like he admired ace and he uses fire moves so he created red hawk

[compact grail]

Df fruit eaten by a non living thing only works in zoan fruit

[tiny hatch]

and orochi of all people has a mythical fruit so does a normal fox

[formal bridge]

Even before awakening?

[tiny hatch]

If dfs can refuse a user they would’ve by now

[carmine anvil]

BB acquired gura-gura

[sick turtle]

What if the nika model is just have more will than other zoans

[unique cairn]

ya it's like he was using the abilities of nika fruit before knowing what it is

[formal bridge]

He is saying about zoan fruit mostly

[carmine anvil]

O

[tiny hatch]

real question is what are the chances that orochi would get the fruit that is a mythical and is literally the orochi fruit

[sick turtle]

I was talking about zoans

[tiny hatch]

mans got the fruit that is his name

[slate wharf]

imagine BB having uranus as a medium to acquire more than 1 df

[tiny hatch]

also I wonder if enel is coming back from the moon

[compact grail]

I think there are fruit stronger than nika, maybe they called it legendary or strongest because of its previous owner

[slate wharf]

him having 2 literally doesn't make sense so ye

[sick turtle]

He's gonna comeback to kiss his new god feet

[tiny hatch]

like they really hinting here that he is still relevant electric man is on the moon, minks look at full moon and have electric powers

[carmine anvil]

They said ridiculous, not necessarily strongest

[formal bridge]

Yeah but nika is most ridiculous fruit according to gorosei

[sick turtle]

That has been happening for centuries isn't

[tiny hatch]

What if it can stretch continents

Continent puller oars and joyboy combo

[unique cairn]

lol

[carmine anvil]

They have electric powers without even looking at the moon

[sick turtle]

Huh

[tiny hatch]

you know I just realized

[formal bridge]

Btw in fishman island it was written that joyboy promised mermaid princess to bring noah to surface how

[tiny hatch]

skypeans have wings like lunarians but minks get stronger from the moon

are lunarians the ancestors of both?

[sick turtle]

We don't know

[tiny hatch]

also I wonder if minks are like merfolk where its kinda random what animal is born depending on ancestry

[compact grail]

Lunarian is like a royalty then skypiea is his own people with small feather.

[unique cairn]

lol if lunarians are ancestor of both minks and skypeans that it can be like how aryans travelled from middle asia to india and other european countries like germany

[formal bridge]

No real life theories here

[tiny hatch]

I wonder if we’ll see any more lunarians my friend says king looks hot and I’m not gonna argue against it

[unique cairn]

lol ok then it can be like lunarians sat on a plane and dropped at different safe zones

[tiny hatch]

considering he is on fire

[formal bridge]

Mermaid are hot too

[unique cairn]

and start camping and collecting loots

[tiny hatch]

but they aren’t on fire

[formal bridge]

They would die without water

[tiny hatch]

there is no coincidence that my friend thinks ace the fire man and crocodile the desert man are hot

[formal bridge]

Btw do you guys think strawhats will get new ship like maybe pluton

[tiny hatch]

nah they’d prob upgrade sun- holy crap

[unique cairn]

well what if thousand sunny is pluton itself

[compact grail]

The guy wyper in skypie and king are almost similar, skincolor, tattoo in eye and have winngs but diffirent size and color

[formal bridge]

Pluton can destroy islands sunny can't

[tiny hatch]

how would sunny a new ship be an ancient weapon

[formal bridge]

Pluton is a ship also because franky had the blueprint

[tiny hatch]

ok how would a newly built ship be an ancient ship

[slate wharf]

the pluton is on alabasta afaik

[formal bridge]

Remember franky had blueprint

[tiny hatch]

alabasta just had a poneglyph that said where it was

[slate wharf]

which is also why imu have a poster of vivi

[tiny hatch]

so robin knows where pluton is and franky prob can make pluton

[formal bridge]

Yeah

[unique cairn]

well franky had the model for pluton with himself so maybe remember the blueprints of pluton and maybe he still needs some materials to make it so he made thousand sunny as a base for pluton and when materials are gathered he will upgrade it to its complete form

[tiny hatch]

honestly why even need pluton when you have kizaru and akainu

[formal bridge]

Because water

[tiny hatch]

kizaru can prob blow up islands himself shoot even kuma was able to do that

[slate wharf]

ye, i forgor about that

[compact grail]

What do you think about a weapon that replace 7 warlord , any idea? Do you think its a human weapon similar to kuma

[tiny hatch]

honestly if vega punk can make pacifistas he can prob make a ship with a cannon that can destroy an island

[unique cairn]

ya and maybe it was written it was in water 7 with tom's family

[formal bridge]

What is uranus btw i think giants have it

[tiny hatch]

tom had blueprints not the ship itself the poneglyph said where the ship itself was

[tiny hatch]

that or dragon or Imu

[unique cairn]

i mean the blueprints and maybe the pluton was destroyed and all left was it's blue prints

[formal bridge]

Also i think strawhats need a bigger ship for their fleet

[tiny hatch]

guys do you think the gorosei are strong?

[tiny hatch]

No

[compact grail]

Maybe an average

[tiny hatch]

gorosei are prob yonkou commander level

[formal bridge]

That's weak

[unique cairn]

it can be the reason for why the world government are trying to slave all giants so that they could find the weapon

[tiny hatch]

you say that but like its that or kaido

[formal bridge]

WG is trying to enslave everyone

[tiny hatch]

like only levels above commander are yonkou/admiral

[unique cairn]

ya either world governmet or celestial dragons

[formal bridge]

Why can't they be stronger than admiral

[tiny hatch]

Well they could but kinda makes it weird that yonkou are even a problem

[formal bridge]

They are just lazy i mean there is imu too

[tiny hatch]

if they got that many admiral level fighters but then again they had fujitora and the green guy on standby to be new admirals

[formal bridge]

Btw what do you think green guy df is any theories

[tiny hatch]

like less than 2 years to find 2 admiral level fighters doesnt make sense unless they were already part of the government

[formal bridge]

They were part of military

[tiny hatch]

white tiger maybe? we have seen a zoan admiral yet

[tiny hatch]

which would be the government

[formal bridge]

Logia admiral trio was best

[formal bridge]

Admiral needs to be mythical then

[compact grail]

Related to plants or any green , base on their color cloths, akainu red lava, aokiji blue ice, kizaru yellow light.

[tiny hatch]

look if lucci has a normal zoan and is the leader of cp0

[formal bridge]

Lucci can't even stand against yonko though and we are talking about admiral

[tiny hatch]

they dont NEED to be mythical but prob is gonna be like a mythical bull

[pure raven]

THEORY: Coby will be the ultimate antagonist at the end of the story.

[formal bridge]

It could be paramecia too i mean only paramecia is fujitora and sengoku is zoan mythical too

[tiny hatch]

honestly lets theorize

[tiny hatch]

yeah but it would make sense for the 3 admirals to be 3 different fruits or maybe has no fruit

[formal bridge]

Before timeskip all three were logia

[tiny hatch]

the only hint we have for green bull is that he is lazy and hasnt eaten in years

[tiny hatch]

yeah but now we got a paramecia

[formal bridge]

We got zoan before too sengoku

[tiny hatch]

he was fleet though

Are there any mythical creatures that dont eat

[formal bridge]

No when fleet was kong

[formal bridge]

Plant plant fruit
It's green
It's eco friendly

[tiny hatch]

which we dont know who other admirals were or how kong fights

[tiny hatch]

hmm would that be zoan or paramecia

[formal bridge]

I don't know never seen plant zoan

[tiny hatch]

or paramecia

[formal bridge]

But would be something interesting

[tiny hatch]

closest we have is the grow grow fruit from film Z or maybe straw straw fruit

[formal bridge]

Plant would not need to eat only chlorophyll

[tiny hatch]

mhm

would plant possibly even be a logia? nah

[formal bridge]

Damn my theory is interesting what plant species though

[tiny hatch]

not carnivorous

[compact grail]

basil hawkin is a straw user right?

[formal bridge]

Yeah

[formal bridge]

What about fungus

[tiny hatch]

what if he is an Ent

[formal bridge]

Ent?

[tiny hatch]

giant sentient moving trees

from tolkiens lord of the rings

[formal bridge]

Oh maybe dryad can be mythical zoan

[compact grail]

There are no species that can survive without eating. Maybe its really a plant or tree.

[tiny hatch]

that counting mythical creatures

he could also be the like giant lion turtle thing that is like a living island

[formal bridge]

Kojo kojo no mi model: Dryad how about this

[tiny hatch]

kojo?

[formal bridge]

Kojo means plant

[compact grail]

Im really amazed to veganpunk, he can make an non living eat a fruit, make a human weapon, and also make an artificial fruit. A seastone etc. I Want really to see his character in op

[formal bridge]

Just translated in japanese

[tiny hatch]

honestly the one time we see green bull

[formal bridge]

Vegan punk 🤣

[tiny hatch]

he is legit sun bathing

[tiny hatch]

thing is we have proof vegapunk isnt the only one who make objects eat fruits there is a tea pot with a devil fruit in wano

[formal bridge]

Is there any mythical creature in real life that is both bull and plant like a fusion of them or something

[compact grail]

If he really a mtyhical zoan , Maybe its an attribute ability realated to plan

[formal bridge]

Yeah i think too

Or he can be paramecia

[pure raven]

[formal bridge]

Oh how times have changed

We need more strong paramecia and logia

[tiny hatch]

we have a bunch of strong logias we just need more in general

[formal bridge]

@tiny hatch we have seen to many zoan and paramecia

[tiny hatch]

well yeah they are the most common

[formal bridge]

@tiny hatch btw you remember mock town when luffy and zoro both said something about bb

[compact grail]

Blood logia? Oil?

[formal bridge]

Oil would be op he won't drown right?

[runic flax]

i actually think that big mom and kaido are going to ally with luffy

[wraith rose]

kaidoh ok but big mom?

[compact grail]

There is no way for them to ally the 2 yonkou are brutal kill an innocent. And how high their pride is to ally to newcomer

[wraith rose]

i dont think you can make a definitive statement about kaidohs personality yet. wait for the flashback

[runic flax]

well we did see her softer side
when she beat up kaido's forces because she found out they were hurting kids

[wraith rose]

hmmmm its not impossible

[formal bridge]

Not kids only tama

[runic flax]

i forgot exactly what she was mad about, but yeah

plus she spent all that time bonding with them when she had amnesia
i can see reasons that both of them would ally with the straw hats after they get their asses beat

[wraith rose]

is there enough marines to make a big mom kaidoh luffy fight reasonable tho? it would have to be blackbeard AND marines

or some third enemy we dont know yet

[formal bridge]

Shanks kinda op

[wraith rose]

so shanks would have to side against luffy too

we would need enel to return with some crazy moon army or something

[sour pagoda]

Kaido might just die in this arc ngl 🥸

[formal bridge]

We still got imu

[compact grail]

There is a chance if their final enemy is want to destroy this world enslaving even them.

[wraith rose]

yea but IMU + marines +ciphor pol = even vs kaidoh luffy big mom? idk

[formal bridge]

There's dragon too

[wraith rose]

he would for sure be with luffy in that situation right?

[compact grail]

Plus the new weapon too that replace 7 warlord

[wraith rose]

their is the new weapon factor good point

[formal bridge]

Kuma bot army

[runic flax]

a big reaosn why i think they'll ally with him is cus they really arnt going anywhere
unless luffy fuckin murders kaido, he'll recover and come back

and i DOUBT the world government can contain him

[wraith rose]

Kaidoh either dies or allies with luffy im with you on that. not sure he doesnt die tho

[compact grail]

Wiat forogot to ask did arlong really died? killed by luffy

[wraith rose]

arlong went o jail according to hachi

[formal bridge]

No he got arrested

[sour pagoda]

Kaido might have tried to commit suicide to see if he's Joy Boy

[formal bridge]

Luffy gotta save bentham from the prison

[wraith rose]

its really hard to imagine the marines as not in deep trouble right now. between luffys squad and the rebels. that new weapon and IMU better be op asf

[formal bridge]

There are other supernova too

[wraith rose]

yea so many powers i feel like could take what we saw from the marines in the war of the best

[formal bridge]

My personal favourite supernova is bonney

[compact grail]

Did you guys think that marinefor war are still better wano right now

[wraith rose]

like in terms of story? no

[formal bridge]

Not after latest chapter

[wraith rose]

i dont love some parts of the marineford arc. impel down isnt my favorite. I miss the mugiwara ichimi

[formal bridge]

When do you guys think zoro gonna fight mihawk again

[compact grail]

The one i dont like in marineford is buggy crew, comedic but annoying ha

[wraith rose]

he wont. someone else (blackbeard crew?) will do it first

[formal bridge]

But he promised luffy in baratie arc

[glad hatch]

mihawk is gonna get killed or defeated maybe by rain 😦

[wraith rose]

he promised he wouldnt lose until he became the best. beating someone who beats mihawk counts

[formal bridge]

Also shiryuu ain't that strong it was told in marineford arc that he is as strong as magellan

[wraith rose]

yea but that was years ago and the blackbeard crew is supposed to mirror luffys im sure they are stronger in that time

also luffy lost to magellen then no?

[formal bridge]

You think mihawk has become weak then he must be training too

[wraith rose]

im hoping the shiryuu he faces is top tier

[formal bridge]

That was when luffy wasn't immune to poison

[wraith rose]

u could be right tbh. but i think my theory is plausible

[formal bridge]

I think the bigger threat is sniper guy he is way stronger than ussop also maybe laffite vs sanji

[wraith rose]

nah u gotta know zoros opponent will be the second strongest he always is

u mean like biggest power gap? ussops arc is next hell get stronger

[formal bridge]

Burgess is second strongest in crew btw@wraith rose

[wraith rose]

u think zoro will fight him? or maybe sabo rematch?

[formal bridge]

Nah not sabo

[wraith rose]

then who?

[formal bridge]

I am just saying after bb he is strongest in crew

[wraith rose]

i think u might underestimate shiryuu whoever zoro fights WILL be second strongest when the time comes. u can count on that

[compact grail]

What if devon fruit can awaken, can copy the person and its other people power like df

[wraith rose]

he got a devil fruit since impel down

[formal bridge]

Yeah clear clear fruit

[wraith rose]

i could see sanji vs burgess happening

[formal bridge]

Maybe brook might fight shiryuu

[wraith rose]

then zoro gets who?

[formal bridge]

Burgess

[wraith rose]

hmmmm i dont like it. he alreaedy lost to sabo we dont give zoro seconds

[formal bridge]

Sanji gets lafitte

[compact grail]

For me lufffy bb, zoro shiryu, sanji laffit, usopp and sniper, burges or jinvei franky, yamato devon, doctor and chopper

[jade wagon]

Yamato

[formal bridge]

Sabo is way stronger than zoro though

[wraith rose]

idk about that

Zoro has conquerers haki

[formal bridge]

@wraith rose how do you think ussop will get stronger

[wraith rose]

no clue

but it is his arc coming up that i think is true

[formal bridge]

Also who will fight nami and robin in bb crew also franky too

[wraith rose]

robin isnt getting another fight so soon wouldnt be surprised if neither got a 1 on 1

franky could get anyone

[formal bridge]

Btw jinbei can be Burgess opponent too

[wraith rose]

oh i like jinbei burgess

that would once again put zoro with shiryuu tho

[formal bridge]

Both are good hand to hand combat fighters

[wraith rose]

how does zoro not get the one swordsman on the squad?

[formal bridge]

You said 2nd strongest i don't think shinryuu is that strong

[wraith rose]

but u gotta admit zoro WILL fight the second strongest and he is also the only swordsman it seems to line up

[formal bridge]

What about the sick doctor guy from bb crew

[wraith rose]

chopper surely right? guy is due for a fight

[formal bridge]

But that doctor looks more of a match for ussop both are too cunning

[wraith rose]

ussopp is getting auger for sure. its been hinted at a couple times

maybe its a 2v1 with his dad or something but he is getting involved

[formal bridge]

I know but that doctor gave luffy exploding apple

He looks coward for some reason too

[wraith rose]

ussopp is getting auger. hes the only sniper in the whole series we have come across ussopp has to get that one

i actually think brook gets laffitte

[formal bridge]

Also do you think luffy will get another crewmate coz at the start of manga he said he wants atleast 10 people

[wraith rose]

Seems likely he gets at least one more. prolly yamato if u ask me

[formal bridge]

Not momo he got older

[wraith rose]

momo has things to do and his own people to lead. could be though

[brittle storm]

What if- Blackbeard also gets kaidos df like whitebeards

[wraith rose]

no way dude we cant fight another dragon

[formal bridge]

I think bb wants luffy's not kaidos

[brittle storm]

Like when he is exhausted from fighting luffy

[formal bridge]

Also bb might have some limit or he would just get all fruits

[wraith rose]

lotta people think that limit is 3 tho

[brittle storm]

And, luffy can transform ground into rubber right? So can he turn many other things also into rubber?

[formal bridge]

@wraith rose how many does he have according to you

[wraith rose]

the 3 theory makes a lotta sense to me

i could see it also being 2 though. i say 60% 3 40% 2

[formal bridge]

Are you one of Cerberus theory guy

[wraith rose]

i dont feel strongly about it but i dont have anything else to explain it

[formal bridge]

My theory is that he is somehow related to xebec

[wraith rose]

i could also see him just being combines with rocks making 2 people. i mean we know for sure he is more than 1 person so many people have said so

yea ur theory sounds decent to me too honestly. thats why i say 2 or 3

[formal bridge]

@wraith rose according to 2 people theory he can't eat more but according to 3 one he can eat one more if only he has eaten yami yami and gura gura fruit only

[brittle storm]

Can luffy turn water/air into rubber? Just a wild theory but can he?

[wraith rose]

and i think its one or the other

[formal bridge]

@wraith rose but some say he already ate one before eating yami yami

[warm cave]

Theres 3 in him i think , because of his triple skull jolly roger flag

[wraith rose]

i could see that

[formal bridge]

@warm cave do you think he ate Cerberus fruit before yami yami

[wraith rose]

alright i need to go to bed out out. good night friends

[formal bridge]

Or he is a natural person who can eat 3 df

[warm cave]

That is actually highly possible , and more realistic than the triple hearts theory

[formal bridge]

@warm cave that means he already has 3 fruits and can't eat more

[warm cave]

I am thinking that the cerebus fruits opened up 3 extra space in his body , allowing him to eat 3 extra fruits other than the cerebus one

[formal bridge]

But if you go with three hearts theory it means his threat to eat luffy's df is real

[formal bridge]

But isn't Cerberus zoan already too op itself other than being able to give 3 more slots

[warm cave]

Cerebus zoan will only be op if the user is able to find 3 more fruits to eat , which in the one piece world , finding one fruit is already like a dream

[formal bridge]

But being able to become Cerberus must mean it's mythical so Cerberus mythical powers must be included too which is already op in real world

[eternal kayak]

What if monkey d. dragon have steal the devil fruit from Gold roger

[formal bridge]

@eternal kayak what fruit

[warm cave]

I dont really think that the entirety of ceberus power will be obtained by the eater , because if its true , buddha power eater will be able to manipulate everything in the world and create hills out of nowhere

[eternal kayak]

Idk we need to wait for his fruit

[formal bridge]

I mean Cerberus can control fire too afterall

What's the fun in being three headed dog if you can't use it's power

[warm cave]

Who knows , but mythical zoan does not give you the entire power of that mythical creatures in one piece world from what i have see , buddha only get strong palm explosion (no world manipulation) ,phoenix only healing flames (no unlimited revival) , and even more but i need time to do more research

[formal bridge]

@warm cave he healed himself quickly though look at kaido too

[warm cave]

Yes but i am sure he does not have the revival power , since theres no need to heal himself if he can just revive on and on

[formal bridge]

Lol dying is a waste of time that's why

[warm cave]

Dying and immediately revive , and also surprise attack since enemy might think u r dead , i dont see any bad thing in reviving

[formal bridge]

@warm cave even phoenix in myth don't revive quickly

[warm cave]

Phoenix in myth can only use healing flames to itself as well

[unique cairn]

well i guess luffy can't die as long as he has the will to live and protect others

[formal bridge]

As long as he keeps smiling

[unique cairn]

i think that might be not an important case cauz what i think his fruit is based on what he imagine so if he imagine or want to protect others near him , his fruit can literally change the law of universe and bring him back to life

it's like what had always happened like in alabasta and other places even in impel down

[formal bridge]

Putting smiles on faces far and wide that's in the intro itself

[unique cairn]

oh far tha it is i thought u meant as long as he laugh

[formal bridge]

It can also mean to smile wide himself i mean he keeps laughing after awakening @unique cairn

[unique cairn]

um it like his character he is like a funny airhead who don't take even his death serious and just laugh like it's a joke

[formal bridge]

Maybe or it can also be related to his awakening

[unique cairn]

like how i haven't caught upto neither manga nor anime just at dressrosa rn

[formal bridge]

This chapter is too shocking to me

[unique cairn]

1044 ?

[pure raven]

If black swords are made out of haki ? 🤔 So then they don’t need to use haki to hurt df logia user right since already sword have it..

[unique cairn]

don't know about that thing

[hoary hatch]

Since I see a lot of comments about why didn't WG elders do anything about Luffy's fruit previously my theory is this: Due to the massive amounts of secrecy involving the "Gomu Gomu Fruit" very few people actually knew the truth about it until recently. Shanks most likely knew the value of the fruit through Roger pirates uncovering the real truth behind the Void century (this is part of my theory and not verified in the manga though) but even the WG only knew that their predecessors had wanted that fruit. Since drawing attention to it might get someone powerful interested in it, the real leaders of WG had to pretend that it was just another paramecia and there was nothing important about it. The fact that most users wouldn't be able to awaken it helped make it a lesser risk. Finally though, once Luffy was creating more and more havoc, the Five Elders looked into their extra classified records to see what the fuss was all about. That is why they were merely annoyed about Luffy before. And that is why they suddenly panic when Luffy is fighting Kaido. They only recently found out about the coverup, they only now know just how dangerous the fruit Luffy has is. And that is why they overreacted, since they realized that Luffy could be able to awaken the fruit after all these centuries. The theories about these 5 dudes being immortals from Void Century is wrong. These guys are younger and that is why they didn't know about the Nika fruit previously but now that they do, they can see how everything about Luffy's ability to inspire people around him has been part of the effects of the Nika fruit, they knew how close the Awakening was.

[cyan oyster]

if your theory is right dont u think the WG will send the admirals to kill luffy since cp0 isnt able to do it??

Also i hope no one forgot about Sabo's incident (we dont want another marineford)

[tulip hedge]

They could simply not want to make a huge fuss about it cause the whole world would know if an admiral is on the move to kill a single pirate/crew and they'd need to justify it to the public why they're specifically targetting tthem

[cyan oyster]

we'll they still can go after luffy after addressing it to the public no big of a deal its just that there'll be more pirates coming to keep luffy safe

[sick turtle]

That would simply sounded as like it's all planned from the start even ever since his first bounty lol, it'll be a boring elements to the series for the theory

But not bad, maybe coincidence or new knowledge work better

[cyan oyster]

I have one question, who/what is joyboy??

[tulip hedge]

A very happy person

[hoary hatch]

Yeah. If my theory is correct, the WG will need to gather up their forces to fight the Strawhats. Admirals, the Special Science Group, Marines, CP agents... they failed to do a "subtle" assassination. Their plan was to make it look like pirates killed other pirates. Now when they hear that the fruit has awakened, they have to go all out as now anyone can see that there is something special going on.

[cyan oyster]

Well this is true but we cant confirm this because there are pirates who will come to save luffy is hes going to killed and theres no way luffy or a strawhat will die so soon, its just ridiculous

Its also kind of suprising that shanks is so strong and hes like the strongest yonko with only one arm and doesnt have the will of the D in his name

[spice berry]

Sending admirals will be just revealing to everyone that the fruit is a legend. That will just lead to more chaos and ultimately the fruit may not come back at all. Hence the CP0 who are secretive in their missions.

[cyan oyster]

his name cant be Rocks D shanks

[cyan oyster]

Yup so the theory can be partially true

[spice berry]

Yhh nothing is concrete.

[cyan oyster]

"Shanks’ Full Name – Shanks’ full name is… Portgas D. Shanks, so he’s Rouge’s brother, Ace’s uncle and Roger’s brother in law!"
the most stupid theory

[calm tree]

https://tenor.com/view/ew-nope-no-nuh-uh-no-way-gif-21846503

[raw laurel]

I think there is a 4th beast pirate calamity

https://www.reddit.com/r/WildAnimeTheories/comments/tpf4jb/the_missing_commander/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[prime bluff]

Roger divine departure can be compared to garp punching marco

[raw laurel]

Did someone @ me

[harsh tangle]

No don't think so

[lunar shell]

The Gorosei is all about knowing everything, its the core of their role here.

Else you can just have a little conversation with Imu being worried about Luffy and telling them the nature of his fruit

[hoary hatch]

The whole point of Imu was to reveal that even the Gorosei are not the true leaders of WG. And the first time they start talking about the legendary fruit, they make it clear that their predecessors covered this up and the current Gorosei generation did not have all the facts.

[lunar shell]

Oh really ? My bad then

[keen vault]

yo i got this off tik tok so the theory is that what if The yami yami no mi is also a mythical zoan called the Moon God fruit and thing is it makes sense cos the yami yami no mi doesnt have logia characteristics like not being able to phase attacks. And this would be perfect for the story cos luffy and bb have always been paralels now it would be the sun and the moon. This could also explain bb different personalitys/persons. this is becasue of the different faces of the moon like waxing moon, cresent moon full moon it makes sense that way aswell

[sour geyser]

that's a nice way to put it

[lunar shell]

True

[lunar shell]

Still I believe the fact he is many link to his ability to eat two fruit and his inability to sleep. He had an anormal body before eating the yami yami no mi

[keen vault]

ye there are some plot holes

[lunar shell]

But yeah the yami is weird like the gomu. That must be a mythological

[keen vault]

ye cos it is called the supposed strongest logia

ye it doesnt have any logia charcteristics other than the power which is a element

so if we think abt it that way fruit wise i believe it could be the mythical zoan Moon God

[keen vault]

theres also a panel which talks abt four gods

ill try and find it

[lunar shell]

Witch one

[keen vault]

it was in skypia

[lunar shell]

I dont remember that. Humm

[keen vault]

well i cant find it rn but anyway this was talking bout 4 gods and it mentioned a wind god and this is a massive stretch but what if Dragons evil fruit is the wind God fruit but this is a very very massive strech

[lunar shell]

Dragon fruit is wind. Its headcanonfirmed

[keen vault]

ye but its most likly not the wind god fruit lmao

[lunar shell]

Y it is. But this 4 god thing is interesting anyway.

[keen vault]

im trying to find it but i cant i literally saw it on tik tok and i remebreed it

[lunar shell]

Rain god, forest god, sun god, and earth god ?

[raw laurel]

I think they were all the same god

[pure raven]

I don’t think oda will make it like repetitive right since it’s predictable

[keen vault]

ye ye that one

[lunar shell]

@keen vault Imu should be the rain god and teach the earth god

[keen vault]

thats the one

[void flower]

I’ve been wondering. Does luffy have the voice of all things because he’s luffy or because he ate a god fruit?

[lunar shell]

Hum

[keen vault]

i was also wondering bout GreenBulls fruit
his fruit could be the forest god

[keen vault]

i think its because of the fruit and inherited will

[pure raven]

I think certain characters can do that cz Momo Roger all had it

[lunar shell]

The voice of all thing is being able to interpret will (haki) sound

[keen vault]

youve heard of the theory by Ohara bout devil fruits having their own will i think that gives luffy the voice of all things through the nika nika fruit

[lunar shell]

Yes the fruits obv have a will else they would’nt be able to go fruit to fruit

[pure raven]

So far only zoan Df have their own will which elders stated

[keen vault]

ye that too

[void flower]

Yeah, I have. It makes me wonder if luffy is special or the fruit makes him special

[keen vault]

i beleve Sabo inhertied aces will

[lunar shell]

The fruit chose Luffy.

[pure raven]

If Rogers didn’t ate a df that will be different I think it’s something with only will of D can do

[keen vault]

i think the will of D and the fruit both play a role i dont think the fruit solely is the reason

[void flower]

His haki feats are definitely on him, but powers like the voice of all things are stuff of destiny. Roger had it but he didn’t have the gomu gomu.