manga-theories

[normal plume]

all channels are off the rails right now

[velvet wasp]

My theory is that Shanks was meaning to give the fruit to the son of Roger but Luffy ate it anyways

[paper nexus]

and thats why he immediately left even after staying in the village for quite awhile

[flat tusk]

My theory is that this Gear 5 is dangerous to luffy. Like way dangerous than the other gears

[silver sphinx]

So Shanks probably knew that gomu fruit = Nika fruit since he was Roger’s crew. That means Shanks had the opportunity to become joyboy but did not....why? What was he going to do with the fruit? How does this recontextualize his relationship with the Gorosei?

[paper nexus]

since its a first time awakening it might hurt like a bitch

[rapid oar]

WAIT CAN LUFFY COPY OTHER PEOPLES DEVIL FRUITS?

[ocean cloud]

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/oze3bz/theory_the_truth_behind_luffys_devil_fruit/

[tepid coral]

Doesn't matter we all are discussing it here only so pls comply and go to #also-manga it has less traffic

[zinc coral]

Because they said Joyboy would return 20 years in the future

[paper nexus]

probably to give it to ace

[gusty nova]

Or maybe not, just like Zoan users have the power to become a hybrid and full version of themselves without any consequences, maybe Luffy's Gear 5 is like a normal transformation

[upper terrace]

I WAS RIGHT ABOUT MY THEORY ABOUT WHO THE WERE TAKING ABOUT IN THE ROOM

[terse plover]

Luffy eyebrows like Sanjis

[pure raven]

Y'all realize Luffy is technically enlightened, if we go off what Oda said about the human human fruit in one of the Sbs's

[terse plover]

And eyes similar to Zunesha, imu, mihawk and cavendish

[velvet wasp]

Yep, the humans who have the Human-Human fruit are enlightened. Sengoku is literally the Buddha, Luffy is the laughing sun god

[tepid coral]

!theories

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using #manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description.

[silver sphinx]

He was dead before he awakened so I imagine the repercussions of this would be astronomical. The question is how are we going to deal with them?

[brittle orbit]

Gotta know if shanks snitched on Luffy now

[gilded rose]

Guys, what if nika is just a lunarian that ate the actual gomu gomu no mi, it would explain his rubber powers and the fire, and lunarian was regarded as gods in ancient times

[high portal]

The drawbacks to gear 5 is going to be insane, but I can't think of a worse drawback than the other gears, hell gear 2 already takes chunk out of Luffy's lifespan, gear 3 shrank him, and gear 4 shuts down his haki, the only legitimate drawback would be Luffy just straight up fainting avatar state style

[zinc coral]

Chopper got bodied😭😭

[rapid oar]

law sacrifice

[tepid coral]

THIS CHANNEL IS NOT FOR THE CASUAL CHIT CHAT FELLAS PLS MOVE ON TO #manga OR #also-manga AND DON'T USE THIS CHANNEL AS THE THIRD MANGA CHANNEL

[flat tusk]

Ha! Saw that theory before too. Law will sacrifice himself because luffy died

[high portal]

that would explain the fire on him perhaps

[normal plume]

joyboy actually put himself into a devil-fruit Why would he do this? Did he seek to fulfill his promise to FMI himself? Can you even say thats inherited will anymore

[velvet wasp]

idk he gained human sentience and godly understanding of medicine, that's pretty enlightening for a reindeer

[dusty hamlet]

Joyboy and the Lunarian tribe are absolutely tied together

[zinc coral]

That’s true but compared to Luffy’s new powers, he basically has toon force confirmed now

[pure raven]

I think Joyboy is the spirit of the fruit, the Gorosei did say mythical zoans had something like that

[zinc coral]

He’s achieved freedom, which is one of his goals and he can actually go beyond that now

[dusty hamlet]

Even the fishman saw Joyboy as a liberator. Sadly, he passed before he finished

Me thinks this failure allowed the WG to be the dominant power after the void era

[unkempt lintel]

I just wanted to make the point that Blackbeard’s fruit looks identical to Luffy fruit, idk how but I’m sure that will be significant at some point

[waxen light]

Please move idle chatter to one of the manga channels.

This channel is for posting lengthy theories.

Preferably with evidence and panels, etc

[rapid oar]

imo luffy is now free from the restraints of reality, he can now do whatever his mind wants.

[velvet wasp]

Basically see how Luffy says he feels better than ever and is nonstop laughing. This "ultimate high" is almost guaranteed to have the ultimate comedown. I suspect he's gonna mirror how Zoro is coming down from his meth. Methinks Luffy is going to be completely KO'd following Onigashima.

[grave thunder]

bro you got it right Damn

[latent zodiac]

So can it be assumed luffy and blackbeard are based on old timey character villain tropes?

Mickey and Pete from Disney

Popeye and Bluto from Popeye

[silver sphinx]

And thus, the df number theory is fulfilled

[tepid coral]

**CASUAL CHIT CHAT ABOUT LATEST CHAPTER GOES TO #manga OR #also-manga **

[last halo]

luffy's final bounty will be 5.629 billion

[silver sphinx]

Unless 0 is somehow used or if Oda wants to use 5 and 6 again in the stead of the 2,9 but I doubt it.

But, if anymore new joining straw hats with devil fruits without fitting into a 0,5, or 6 would break this pattern.

[signal dune]

Ight heres something i believe anyone who has eaten human human fruit model nika and awakens it gets the title of sungod nika it that simple

[velvet wasp]

The curved eyebrows on Gear 5th is definitely something interesting. It could just be a design choice or nothing more, but with the way Sanji's eyebrows changed back and forth during his fight with Queen, the mentioning of Lunarian DNA, and Nika's very likely connection to the Lunarians- there's a lot to unpack here.

[ivory gorge]

Wasn't it a older theory that the final destination of OP would be on the moon?

Considered what 1044 says now, the only way you could possibly get there is basically something cartoony

[cedar obsidian]

I had an idea something like that

[ivory gorge]

Also, is the term "Nika" considered to be translated as "Laugh"?

If so, could Roger's naming of "Laugh's tale" could be translated as "Nika's tale"?

[terse tangle]

So basing on goro context there's two ways I think of regarding them not doing anything to Luffy

1. They knew but kept tabs on it so not to lose it. They only got information about the actual powers of the fruit hence their talk in chapt 1037. They didn't even think it was real, believed it to be a myth why the other counters how wg renamed the fruit. This info is provided by Shanks

2. They are looking for the gomu but didn't consider Luffy. They aren't witnesses during Luffy's many crimes towards marines. Wanted poster gave no indication that Luffy had the gomu fruit. Given how they like to seal up all information and it is likely they won't even want to leak to the lower guys like akainu etc that they are looking for this dangerous fruit. Those who know Luffy has the fruit of course doesn't know this information is vital. Shanks is the cause for Gorosei finally knowing

Thoughts? 🤔

[velvet wasp]

I know the Enel returns meme has basically been a decades long shitpost/recurring joke. But honestly, with the inclusion of yet ANOTHER winged tribe, Nika references in skypeia, Luffy literally jumping in front of the moon- I think it's inevitable that we're going back up to the skies in one way or another

[timid timber]

could the hika hika no mi be one of the anceint weapons?

pls not hate tho just a theory

[ivory gorge]

never even heard of this fruit

[timid timber]

human human fruit

idk if youre cuaght up so i wont say anything

[ivory gorge]

Hito Hito no Mi?

[distant crown]

Damn kaido ar ar ar ar ar

[novel scroll]

Interesting...

[timid timber]

oh is it that? i must have misspelled

[buoyant minnow]

Mythical zoan damn

Oda and his foreshadowing

[velvet wasp]

No, they've definitely been aware of Luffy having Gomu Gomu no Mi. He's been on their radar since taking down Crocodile. But very likely they consider him a "controllable" threat as long as he doesn't awaken. And while Luffy is a genuine threat to the WG, he's not cataclysmic "kill him ASAP, CP0" level since he never awakened. But we don't even know how awakening works or the parameters for that. SOMETHING must have tipped them off, whether it was Shanks or another unknown variable

[ivory gorge]

Yeah. Hito Hito no Mi is the human human fruit.

[tepid coral]

**THIS IS NOT A CHAT FOR CASUAL CHIT CHAT, SUCH CONVO SHOULD TAKE PLACE IN #manga OR #also-manga **

It's for lengthy discussions like paprika and romeow guys are having

[velvet wasp]

Yes there is also a Demonia Robin reference in there too. It really gives credence to all of the crackpot theories like with the resin hanging from the tree. I've seen ones where it foreshadowed Ace's death years before it happened. Honestly I think it's brilliant since there's so many red herrings thrown in with the actual true foreshadowing

[terse tangle]

Okay then we can erase point 2.

I am in mind it was Shanks. Why else would he go to them to talk about a certain pirate. I saw some posts that Shanks talked about Sabo but that doesn't make sense at all.

I will agree that he isn't considered that much given how he is belittled and seen as underdog. Plus also that because of the name changed which I assume was done 800 years back information has sullied thus the true power of the fruit is lost to them further solidifying that to them Luffy is just gomugomu and not what he has become now

[ivory gorge]

I consider this to be the cause of the Gorosei's plight.

Also consider that even if they wanted to take him down early on his career, it wasn't feasible until he reached the new world.

Why spend resources on going to the east blue to take down a pirate when 80% of pirates going to the grand line never make it. They also knew of smoker who was pretty good on their radar already after him. So by their thought, Luffy was no threat to them.

[short chasm]

Black Beard ate the Cow Cow fruit. Cows have 6 stomachs, so he can eat more fruit.
He hides his utters in his pants, thats why hes so fat and can eat as much as luffy.

[ivory gorge]

My theory is that Shanks is either plotting something behind the scenes to use Luffy to get to the One Piece, hence he warns them of Luffy and the fruit he ate.

Or, my wild theory, is that Blackbeard's fruit is also not a paramecea but a Zoan on Luffy's level.

[velvet wasp]

I think the general consensus is that the "certain pirate" was either Blackbeard or Luffy. Honestly, the jury is out for both and the community seemed to just sway on whether or not they liked the idea of a morally gray/not good Shanks.

[silent dock]

Sorry ... @ivory gorge holy shit, that makes a ton of sense. This obviously also ties together with Binks Sake - a funny traveling tale, the tale of laughs. Looking at the lyrics, I think the idea of "delivering" may have more implications, like that they already have what's needed. Whether that be luffy himself, the alliances with both a diverse group of communities and the ancient weapons, or something hidden in plain sight, I have a feeling part of the one piece is already wit da gang

[terse tangle]

Shanks basically snitched. Actually he planned or hoped for this. He wanted Luffy to succeed. He has knowledge about the real name of gomugomu from the start as somebody theorized. He went to East blue to look for Ace but Luffy accidentally ate it.

He bet his arm. He gave his hat especially after Luffy said the same thing as Roger

[sick turtle]

What about ace and sabo. How can they eat a lot too?🤔

[terse tangle]

So Luffy wasn't born as a chosen one. He grew up and trained then and proved he can become the chosen one

[sick turtle]

Uh wrong reply

[jade wagon]

eating alot is hereditary with everyone in the monkey

[sick turtle]

I meant to reply to this

[ivory gorge]

Yeah I'm on board with this too, Luffy is Shank's bet. But for what I don't know.

Shank's plays a mean 5 head game, so he may be throwing Luffy under the WG Bus to trigger events he needs to happen. He knows that Luffy has to be the one that Roger was looking for. Now he aims to set his Captain's dream to be true.

[fast rover]

THEORY TIME : I think Roger was waiting for Joy Boy to free the samourai, the mink and the fishmen but then gave up because of his ilness and went to Laugh Tale where he found the 'gomu gomu no mi' and a journal from the previous user. he then had a laugh about the wasted time looking for its user so then gave it to Shanks for him to guard from the gouvernement. Shanks might be an empror cause he was guarding the fruit from Imu! but then Luffy ate it. However, Who’s Who literally said Shanks stole the fruit from him while he was a part of CP9 but thats contradictory, if Who's Who says CP9 had it but the 5 elders say ther have bean looking for it for 800 years. Maybe Who's Who was lying or CP9 isnt a part of the world gouvernement but directly controled by the dragons wich would explain them acting the way they did at reverie and why SWORD exist. 🤔

[sick turtle]

But they're not related tho

[velvet wasp]

Yeah basically, anyone can get the Gomu Gomu but the true awakening is the real game changer. And how do you even unlock that? Who knows. The idea of a cartoonish awakening being a godly, overpowered thing isn't exactly a new idea. Re: Shock Wille

[jade wagon]

.D

[ivory gorge]

Probably unlocked like what Kaido and ref. in Bink's Sake. You need to truely die

[alpine fog]

The one piece is a joke

[autumn ravine]

This actually makes a lot of sense. I don't see any other reason as to why he would be happy with how Luffy was progressing and then speaking with the WG.

I'm just wondering what the "Freedom" line relates to this. Is it referring to Freedom from the WG or his creativity which is the only real limitation of the fruit?

[paper saffron]

if luffy got that other fruit, then who got the real rubber fruit

[terse tangle]

That part i have no idea yet

[novel scroll]

Everyone got hype for Luffy reveal, they glimpse this important dialogue. So Gorosei just confirmed that Zoan Devil Fruit haa a will of their own? So DF is alive?

[sick turtle]

There's no rubber fruit

[velvet wasp]

I don't really buy the idea that Shanks is truly evil, but he adversary to the man who would dare to prove himself as Pirate King/Joyboy. He wants to make sure Luffy is going up against the full might of the WG and Pirates so he in fact breaks the system and accomplishes what Joyboy couldn't 800 yrs ago.

[alpine fog]

So does this mean that joy boy kept the promise of Noah’s ship since luffy is joy boy?

[terse tangle]

It's a bit hard to put context to a lot of the text with so little actual info. We're basically adding out own interpretation hahaha

[paper saffron]

yeah i mean all zoan fruits have to have a will, cause they feed them to weapons and stuff

[agile tangle]

I don't understand the difference between luffy's previous abilities and now?

[sick turtle]

Not yet

[terse tangle]

One note to that as well is that only zoan fruits are seen attached to inanimate object. No other types are shown merged together

[agile tangle]

Before he could stretch like rubber but now he can still stretch like rubber but with imagination?

[alpine fog]

He has the power of imagination and he is an awakened devil fruit user since he can transform land and stuff to rubber

[ivory gorge]

I don't think so either, but I think this is the swerve of storyline that might happen. Get the audience to think Shanks will betray Luffy for his own goals. But his own goals so happen to line up with what Luffy is already doing.

Shanks has an agenda and he is essentially using Luffy as a tool to get it. However righteous it may be, it can be portrayed as scumbagish.

[paper saffron]

dont know exactally yet but pretty sure its like a cartoon character, think like popeye but more stretchy

[agile tangle]

Hm maybe next chapter oda will explain

[sick turtle]

Body of rubber or something like that

[terse tangle]

I think it's just similar to Doflamingo. Before awakening you keep your powers within yourself but after awakening your power then has the freedom to influence outside of your body

[agile tangle]

So it's just the same as his previous powers but like without limits right? Because he can stretch infinitely and he can turn his surroundings into rubber

[vale current]

Is it impression or does the little girl with a bunny on the cover kinda resemble Monet?

From an old nice theory Monet would join as astronomer into moon arc.

[paper saffron]

i think he is a lot like popeye now because he grabbed the floor and the floor looked more moveable not like he was grabbing rocks, kind of like how popeye does things

[novel scroll]

Other neat thing, Luffy's awakening seems to affect Kaido too. He also turns goofy and more cartoony.

[alpine fog]

I was wondering about that since kaido’s eyes were cartoony and then luffy’s afterwards which made me wonder even more

[agile tangle]

Maybe I should watch popeye

[ivory gorge]

The most encompassing theory for Luffy is that at a basic level he's a zoan fruit user with rubber powers. At an awakened level, he is practically a "god" in their world, with not only rubber properties but potentially others as well.

[sick turtle]

That can too

[ivory gorge]

The biggest meme right now for Luffy is that he unlocked "Toon World" if you ever watched old school Yugioh

[agile tangle]

Ohh

[silent dock]

I think this is a huge reveal as well. Idk if I would say they're alive, but I believe they have a sort of mystical agency - almost like the ability to play with fate the same way the D clan does. This allows shit like sabo inheriting the mera mera, those odd coincidences that are really not coincidences at all (just like the lighting in loguetown).

This similarity between the will of D and the will of Devil fruits could come back when we learn more about origins of DF

[agile tangle]

I did not sadly, but I think based on my understanding so far what he can do is change the properties to rubber and do everything according to imagination? Like he can do anything within his imagination? Not even with limits of rubber

[ivory gorge]

Will of D could also refer to the "Devil's" inside the fruit.

But it is implied that for at least some Zoan fruits, their will shows up in mysterious ways to the world. Whether attracting Luffy and Sabo to the Mera Mera no Mi, or Luffy's fruit "Escaping the world for 800 years" only to be found by Shanks, and eaten by "accident" by Luffy.

[terse tangle]

I think it still stays with rubber. The cartoony for me is just Oda being funny. But we will find out more ig once they battle more

[alpine fog]

Theory: enma is testing zoro and if zoro defeats the reaper of death enma is black permanently

[ivory gorge]

I think the use of cartoons is telling of the actual power. Remember, the Gorosei consider Nika an actual "God" with "unimaginable" power.

The use of this cartoony art may show that Luffy is basically "free to manipulate" the world as he wants just so he can have fun.

[glass comet]

Goofy powers

[ivory gorge]

He maniuplated Kaido, the ground, the world around him, that the only way to show it to the reader is to make it a differrent art style.

[silent dock]

I think oda is going to return to the devil/biblical lore in the final stretch with Adam and Eve trees, Noah's Ark. fun fact, old community theory, but many believe luffys name comes from Lucifer. Lucifer translates to dawn bringer, originally being the name of Venus - the last star seen before the sun rises

[sick turtle]

One piece had always have old school styles in the manga and the anime for 20 years now lol

Why do we only noticed that just now

[terse tangle]

Hmmm that might be so. But that is at this moment speculation by Gorosei. Even if it can be backed. But yes I digress it might end up being the case. I'm just gonna wait for next chapter and see how much cartoony thingy is imported in it to further corroborate it

[ivory gorge]

I don't think these styles of eyes popping out, dizzy stars, and possibly more next chapter have been used before

[rapid oxide]

Luffy is the strongest person in One piece rn because he is creative he only limited by his imagination he beat croc with water he thinks outside the box this fruit is perfect for him

[alpine fog]

I disagree. We don’t know how strong Blackbeard is rn

[rapid oxide]

blackbeard doesn't have haki

[sick turtle]

It does as I remember but it's just a bit different since it's an imagination

[fast rover]

If he actually has toon force he is officially the most op anime character of all time bar none

[sick turtle]

An imagination which is meant to be in funny way

[alpine fog]

Bruh yes he does lmao

[rapid oxide]

proof?

[fast rover]

Imagine luffy with 'the mask'

[rapid oxide]

that would be amazing

[wise badge]

the dude even said luffy's haki is getting stronger when he punched him

[rapid oxide]

oh fr?

[dense surge]

Bro I have a theory. Maybe shanks found the gum fruit he gave it to the government for them to trust him that's why the gorossei said "just because it's you we made time" then he stole it back so basically shanks is a pirate trusted by the gorossei but he's secretly betraying them behind their back. He even brought the fruit to foosha village and when Luffy ate it shanks was distressed and said Luffy ate the gum gum fruit so I'm wondering did shanks know that it was not the gum fruit?

[wise badge]

yea in impel down

[timber orbit]

Can still nullify devil fruits tho so Luffy isn’t stronger. Also since he can do that wouldn’t Blackbeard also be able to nullify an awakening since that’s still the DF being in use?

[rapid oxide]

oh yae i remember that

[pure raven]

Now I see why smile and SAD were chosen as names, this has been foreshadowed for a while

[vernal ice]

i am going insane with new chapter

[fading kraken]

Guys Guys, Don't sweat it. I am not crying.

[sick turtle]

Time to wait for the next chapter leak and spoiler

[vernal ice]

i did not get spoiled and i will not again

[alpine fog]

^

[sick turtle]

I wish you good luck💀

[fading kraken]

Is there a way to measure this hype?

[ivory gorge]

I did, and I still enjoyed it lol

[ivory gorge]

No, but imagine someone reading this for the first time with what you know now and trying not to say a single thing. That's the measure of hype (20 years)

[fading kraken]

The hype of 25 years. The hype of being lied about for 25 years.

[sick turtle]

There's no number or words could describe the masterpiece

[terse tangle]

Na the smile name was coz of this

[sick turtle]

It's just way too awesome

[craggy oak]

The "Devil" Theory

So we know that luffy's fruit is actually the Hito-Hito No Mi Mythological Model Nika.

And I was thinking, Gorousei said that Zoan Types have minds of their own.

And devil fruits have a myth that devils exist within them. So what if these "devils" are actually past users of the fruit?

If Joyboy was a past user of the Gomu Gomu No Mi it would make sense that Zunesha sensed Joyboy in Luffy.
But why did Zunesha sense Joyboy only when Luffy awakened it?

See this is the part I was wondering about. I was thinking so hard and reading other theories to find the answer and it hit me.

Joyboy also awakened the Gomu Gomu No Mi! It would make sense since Joyboy was alive 900 years ago, and has been said to from the poneglyphs that he will return in 800 years time. And the WG have been trying to remove it's name from history for, you guessed it, 800 YEARS.

Side Theory : Joyboy is a nickname.
it could have been made because he was so happy when he awakened the Gomu Gomu No Mi

[sick turtle]

Finally found someone who did share my thoughts of Joyboy is a nickname...

[craggy oak]

yeah i think i got it from you

[fast rover]

I still dont get it tho. Whether Who'sWho is lying about shanks stealing the fruit from cp9 or the 5 elders are lying about not having the fruit. OR cp9 dont work with the elders, OR Who'sWho is 800 years old... Ok maybe not that last one lol

[terse tangle]

The foreshadow we can bind is that they are all zoans. Implies Kaido knows this special detail. The other is his obsession with death/suicide.. maybe it's how one triggers an awakening(? He did say death completes a person and we saw Luffy sort of... die but not really

[sick turtle]

Nice theory tho

[mossy oyster]

To anyone like me who was worried about retcon in this chapter these are the explanation i came up with from earlier chapters-
Gorosei thought Nika fruit awakening was a myth after not finding it for 800 years but on the off chance it's real they continued to look for and hoard fruits with rubber properties. Shanks tracked down the actual nika fruit and got it.
The fruit inspires hope in its user and if the joy is great enough it even rubs off on people other than the user. The reason it has the properties of rubber specially is also linked with laughter, bouncy things are amusing and tends to lighten the mood on people surrounding them which is why Oda went with rubber as the basis for Nika fruit.

[cloud valve]

A will of their own not a mind of their own

[worldly wind]

this is blowing my mind

[spiral torrent]

So... what fruit did chopper eat then:skull:

[velvet wasp]

Whoops sorry was driving, gonna get back to you on this. But yeah, we're gonna get a "Wow Shanks actually bad?!?" moment from the fandom. But I think he's basically acting like Luffy's toughest coach, and the gatekeeper for Laugh Tale as his final test. I can imagine him appearing next to Mihawk so Zoro can have his final duel, and Usopp will also be confronting his deadbeat dad during this time as well.

[rapid oxide]

"like rubber"
not
your body becomes rubber but
you body becomes like rubber
shanks knew the potential of the gomu gomu no mi

[tacit umbra]

Wasnt it the human human : human model

[spiral torrent]

Ic

[mild crag]

God gave you a brain, please use it. Did you ask the same question when sengoku appeared with another human fruit model?

[worldly wind]

lol

[spiral torrent]

[sick turtle]

Nika model. Nika is a god name

[craggy oak]

so thats why shanks said he will be the king of the pirates

he knew the fruit's potential

[valid finch]

Luffy after chapter 1044: This is not even my final form

[silent dock]

For everyone wondering why nika is like rubber, this dude nailed it: https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/t8c7fm/theory_the_true_nature_of_the_gomu_gomu_no_mi/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

[tacit umbra]

He asked for choppers df

[pure raven]

It could’ve made them laugh or cry instead, smiling was probably chosen for a reason

[rapid oxide]

and he knew that luffy was perfect for the fruit cuz of his imagination

[terse tangle]

OH OOOH dang I missed that

[sick turtle]

Oof my bad for not seeing the message

[valid finch]

his imagination is good, look at his the name of his attacks

[shut finch]

Updated mini-theory on how this all connects, now that we know the fruit name.

• In 1018, CP0 talks about WW and how the intelligence he has is old and poses no harm to the government. I think this shows that the WG had dismissed connections between Gomu gomu and nika.
• WW goes on to talk about the devil fruit and the story of Nika. These aren't explicitly tied together in the chapter, but I believe they are related. Imagine that WW was put in jail for allowing the gum gum fruit to be stolen, and the guard that told him about Nika told him that because it's why losing the fruit was such a big deal.
• As time went on, the gomu gomu was used by Luffy and nothing special happened. Because of this, the WG dismissed the legend of Nika as a myth and nothing more. (this part is shaky after 1044. Maybe they were trying to get it just in case but didn’t really believe it?)
• This brings us to 1037. When the gorosei said "death could come easily for anyone" this was talking about WW. Then, Zunesha, who I think may have been part of the legend of nika the gorosei were aware of, triggered them to be worried about the gomu gomu fruit's legend once again, enough to actually take action this time.

[manic orbit]

I think Joyboy is jsut a consequence of a fully awakened gomu gomu with cartoon powers bringing joy to everybody with its goofiness in a serious world

[terse tangle]

I was talking about the name being Smile. The side effects I'm not sure if they did it intentionally. Chapter only mentioned "side effects of imperfect mixture"

[craggy oak]

guys nika literally translates to grin so joy boy and nika could be the same person

[sick turtle]

Nika is a name in the series, like a title maybe

[manic orbit]

Nika was the original rubber cartoon physics holder

[sick turtle]

We still don't know his real name is or if it's his actual name

[craggy oak]

he could have made it a human human fruit cuz he used it. as said in my theory

[pure raven]

i just think that joy boy had the same devil fruit as luffy and when you awaken the devil fruit or when you become nika or whatever it makes the drum noises why zou thought joy boy was back

[fast rover]

Yo even back then, he was just smiling, foreshadowing 🤔

[steady prism]

Really quick observation: based on 1043’s ending, there was some theories out there that implied that Joyboy “reincarnated” into Luffy’s body due to the way Luffy’s laughter changed from “shi shi” to “ni ka”. Given the panel below from today’s chapter, we can clearly see that Luffy’s laughter hasn’t changed; the previous Joyboy didn’t “reincarnate” into Luffy’s body. But given what we know about Zoan awakenings (mostly animal-based ones), “what” has taken over Luffy’s consciousness? It’ll be very interesting to see how Kaido communicates with Luffy in this state because he seems to have knowledge on Joyboy and the Will of D. Is this Luffy or the df’s “will” that has been imparted into Luffy’s subconscious? We shall see

[manic orbit]

The drums is a consequence of the awakening, probably a physical product of full rubber transformation

[rapid oxide]

idk that a bit of a stretch

[novel scroll]

So that was a fckin lie...

[velvet wasp]

I'm not a huge fan of MHA, but I do hope we do get a similar "look back" at previous owners of the "Gomu Gomu no Mi" as Midoriya got for One For All. I want to see how previous users of it failed in their quest and couldn't ever become the newest Sun God Nika. I know the common theory is that Xebec likely had Yami Yami no Mi (which might not even be what it actually is named in the first place), but it would be interesting if he was a previous user of the Gomu Gomu.

[manic orbit]

It all ties up so nicely, even with cartoon nostalgia and joy reminescence

[craggy oak]

ayo this makes sense

[terse tangle]

I am still in mind that Joyboy is someone who used the fruit in its awaken state. Caused a lot of chaos. Zunesha's mistake cost Joyboy everything thus ending that era. The fruit is then renamed to hid it. 800 years later here we are

[rapid oxide]

why is everyone in vc

[manic orbit]

Awakening rubber may require a certain mindset

It's all tied with toon powers and physics after all

[naive ravine]

maybe the "ni-ka!" is a sound of transformation maybe??

like how animals growl, sun god nika says, nika lmao

[velvet wasp]

Yeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaah. This bugs me a little bit, I kind of wish they just called it Nika Nika no Mi or kept it a paramecia at least. It's pretty evident since our first real foray against Zoan users via CP9 that they have a human, hybrid, and full transformation.

[timber prawn]

Remember that Luffy has slowly been becoming the hero and liberator. He was always doing stuff for his friends and one of the last things he told Kaido is that he won’t let Kaido continue to cause pain and suffering to the people of Wano

[manic orbit]

Pure innocent joy akin to cartoon

[valid finch]

idk

[craggy oak]

ngl i feel like this 1 week is gonna be longer than the 2 weeks

[fast rover]

Why else would he smirk after being told he cant swim

[raw owl]

Is this just me or did Luffy get loney tunes powers lol

[fast rover]

Popeye rubber hose toon force :P

[rapid oxide]

oh yea he was a good swimmer

[craggy oak]

looney toons*

[manic orbit]

The world government fears cartoon

[valid finch]

now the pace of time are slow to us

[pure raven]

i cant wait for this to be animated

[worldly wind]

in 5 months lol because the pacing is god awful

[craggy oak]

make it 5, no 10 years

[steady prism]

All I know is “nika” is an sfx for someone that is “grinning”. So I kinda think Oda used specifically that term to signal this big reveal, but it was misunderstood as “omg did Joyboy reincarnate into Luffy?”

[rapid oxide]

he spun kaido around like a cartoon snake but oda has always drawn the cartoony reactions

[steady prism]

Maybe he’ll say that every time he goes into Gear 5. It’s entirely possible

[manic orbit]

Nika was named nika maybe due to the constant smile he was showing due to having unlimited freedom

[naive ravine]

yeah exactly, but we have to wait until the anime comes out 😭

[manic orbit]

If you felt you could do anything wouldn,t you be smiling as well?

[raw owl]

Right but his power description given by 5 elder is the same as those from looney tunes

[rapid oxide]

he can defy physics now

[ionic notch]

So now we know the importance of the moon in this pic, Black Beard DF is the moon god equivalent to Luffy's Nika Nika Fruit, counterpart to Luffy who makes his abilities from his mind, while BB takes abilities and adds it to him. This relevation would also give some context to why Im sama want BB dead as well as the fruit could have had the same equivalent of power of the Nika Nika. In fact there more similarities than meets the eyes, as the sun mythical zoans acts like a different type of what it actually because it was a natural part of there body, like Nika Nika rubbery body makes it look like a Paramedic Fruit as it interacts with the body in a un animal way, Blackbeard could also be that subversion with it acting like a Logia fruit instead being an extension of the darkness of the moon how it swallows everything whole when the dark side of the moon comes. In fact this may be why Oda never let us see the encoypedia of Devil Fruit, because it might not be a actual commonly printed book, instead a relic from the void century which reveals the Dark Dark and the Nika Nika fruit true identity, which also allows us to know why Blackbeard exactly know which Devil Fruit to hunt for his collection on his aim to become the Pirate King.

[craggy oak]

i was kinda hyped for katakuri style fighting
but this is even better

[raw owl]

Yep lol

[steady prism]

2+ years? Shiiiiet imagine waiting that long

[manic orbit]

Remember the joyful kid mindset cartoon brings, luffy is living it for real right now

[velvet wasp]

This Gear 5th form is WAY more reminiscent of a Paramecia rather than a Zoan, still. Not a single Zoan has ever been so out unfollowing to the rule. I wonder if Oda is going to retcon this into "Special Zoan" like with Katakuri lmao

[brazen acorn]

What if Joyboy isn't even a real name and it was a nickname because he was always full of joy like Luffy is...

[naive ravine]

well we gotta wait for the fight next week because NO BREAK LETS GO

[raw owl]

Exactly 🤣🤣

[valid finch]

Hmmm interesting point

[manic orbit]

I think it,S different due to the extent of the transformation, it's divine reality breaking cartoon powers

[brazen acorn]

I mean Joyboy's real name could be a different one not that he did t exist ofc lol

[valid finch]

maybe he just thought about this when he created Katakuri

[naive ravine]

created

[valid finch]

yes (?

[manic orbit]

Mythical Zoan all have godly powers

[valid finch]

anyway, maybe after that he thought "hmmm if Luffy... "

[craggy oak]

Nika D. Luffy

[terse tangle]

Yeah, imo he was given the title Joyboy becaue he had the nika fruit who enhanced his smiling laughing nature

[manic orbit]

Kaido can grab clouds, Luffy has cartoon physics

[valid finch]

ideas

[velvet wasp]

Oh my god. This is CRAZY. No reason he just draws the moon like that. It's been hyped up for decades. Enel and Fairy Vearth, Minks and their Sulong Form, Luffy this chapter, and the Birkans and their ties back to void century. This is definitely connected

[craggy oak]

(stolen joke)

Hito Hito no mi - Mythological Model - Nika||cado Avocado||

[velvet wasp]

And hey y'all I hate to be all narc but can we kind of limit this to less shitposts and more longform disuccsion

[valid finch]

Wee Wee no Mi, the fruit of WEEEEEEEEEGEE

[craggy oak]

thx for saying that

[brazen acorn]

I doubt Oda came up with all of luffy's powers after katakuri I can bet both my testicles oda had planned for gomu gomu no mi to be like this since veneery long ago

[rancid spade]

Could be why he never sleeps too. For moon reasons(?)

[lapis tapir]

So were the smile fruits that either make smile or Zoan, was Kaidos attempts at making joyboy fruit?

[brazen acorn]

Yea now that we know the nature of the fruit it makes sense

[manic orbit]

Unfortunately one piece world doesn't know cartoons

[rapid oxide]

wapol's fruit

[valid finch]

which one are this one?

[manic orbit]

I guess the forgotten century stuff had to do with the cartoon physics exploits

[velvet wasp]

SBS Volume 65 states he chose Gomu Gomu since he wanted Luffy to have the "most ridiculous power" aka what Gorosei said this chapter. Volume 64 contained the first time ever Joyboy was mentioned.

https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Volume_65

[brazen acorn]

I Still don't understand the joke in the cartoons thing lol

[craggy oak]

LMao

[rapid oxide]

wapol

[craggy oak]

luffy has a goofy, silly personality like loony toons

[valid finch]

[manic orbit]

That's why it was erased, world government could not afford the world to know so much freedom existed

[fervent flax]

luffy eye popping and exagerated expression look like western cartoons

[brazen acorn]

We have seen expressions like this since Enel

[fervent flax]

https://tenor.com/view/the-mask-jim-carrey-shocked-surprised-omg-gif-4424932

[manic orbit]

DO you see how he reflected Kaido's attack, toon logic

[lavish forum]

SOMEONE TELL ME WHAT THE RESIN THEORY IS

[pure raven]

I could be mistaken or reading too deep into it but I still think the parallel between forced smiles and servitude and genuine smiles of freedom is a deliberate narrative choice by oda

[steady prism]

Here’s something weird: why is Luffy’s hair on fire? Is it because of his “Sun God” epithet? Oh wow, so that explains why Luffy can make fire! He’s a Zoan so having multiple abilities (like Marco) makes sense!!!

[fervent flax]

It's dead , the theory is dead

[craggy oak]

check the pins

[brazen acorn]

Thankfully nothing anymore :D (at least I think so)

[latent zodiac]

We get it

[pure raven]

It doesn’t have a resin to exist

[velvet wasp]

Yeah it's definitely different and almost likely in a realm of its own alongside Blackbeard's Yami Yami no Mi not acting like a Logia. But still, one thing noted is that EVERY Mythical Zoan user has been seen this arc. Literally EVERY one. From Marco to Sengoku to Kaido to Devon etc. And now Luffy. But still, he shows no "hybrid form" nor "full transformation" unless you count awakening

[errant walrus]

is Uranus and Noah possibly be the same?

[rancid spade]

Luffy can basically do anything now, right? So he could still use resin/mochi like abilities if he wanted… right?

[tepid coral]

THIS CHANNEL IS NOT FOR CASUAL CHIT CHAT, PLS MOVE ON TO #also-manga OR #manga IF U WANNA HAVE A CONVO LIKE THIS

[rancid spade]

Gotcha

[pure raven]

Theory: luffy can do anything that he imagines and the only limit is his imagination. HOW IS ANYONE GONNA BEAT A GUY THAT CAN IMAGINE LIKE HIS FREAKING HAND BEING SIZE OF THE EARTH LMAO XD

[tame tendon]

wdym niku niku fruit?

[valid finch]

Niko Niko NIIIIII

[velvet wasp]

To the extent of his body morphing, yeah. Him being able to expand and grab Kaido is pretty much his craziest pure strength feat so far. I think if I was gonna compare to anything Luffy is less Mr. Fantastic and more Ms. Marvel (Kamala Khan) except like.... on crack and steroids.

[fervent flax]

Luffy can do anything now with the power of imagination *(toon powers) , like the Mask.
Nika is The Mask

[craggy oak]

was imu around when joyboy was alive?

[rancid spade]

I see

[manic orbit]

.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_hose_animation

[young geode]

Imagine he can just make air rubber 💀

[copper axle]

So instead of gomu gomu no mi making you a rubber man, it gives you the power of THE rubber man

[brazen acorn]

Who is imu?

[velvet wasp]

Something I just thought about RE: Zoan status. What if this Special Zoan's full transformation is the awakening, and each of the previous gears are just different versions of his "hybrid". This makes him WAY closer to the OTHER Hito Hito user, Chopper. G2/G3/G4 are like Chopper's Horn Point, Heavy Point, Kung Fu Point, etc.

[fervent flax]

Yup , how popeye stretches his arms etc. That's luffy powers now

[craggy oak]

the one above the five elders. @brazen acorn

[ionic notch]

For I probably thinking Im sama got the Immortal Body Treatment on him, hence why the WG know so much about the Ope Ope Fruit infomation on that treatment

[hearty osprey]

Reasons I think this fruit is a legend but also a myth.

-The hito hito no mi was in joyboys possession
-Only someone with all forms of haki mastered can use its full potential aka Nika mode.
-Once unlocked it gives you effects from all 3 categories awakening, Zoan/Paramecia/Logia.
-The fruit would run away from anyone it didn't deem worthy " you probably needed the will of D "
-Its awakening Required also near death to fully unlock and nobody that had tried that in the last 800 years probably lived.
-The wg had never set eyes on the fruit supposedly if it kept changing fruits to get away from them, so it became a myth of sorts.
-Anyone who eats the fruit becomes not only rubber but more human. What does this mean?? Doing the exact opposite of things someone would do to be called a monster.. the more human choices in life. The things that make us humans at our very core.
<His sense of justice.
<His sense of empathy.
<His free will.
<His joy.
<His pain.
<His determination.
ALL THESE THINGS we're Amplified when he ate the hito hito no MI Nika model and that's what made him who he is in a way.
Every time he sees someone in pain he feels the need to help them.
anytime he sees someone is lying to themselves he tells them that that's not the right path.
When he loses someone close to him it hits him harder than anyone else.
When he is happy it spreads joy to those around him.
That feeling people get from him that make them wanna follow or respect him.

Sure he had all these in spades to begin with but they were amplified by the fruit.

[craggy oak]

not immortal but more like eternal youth

[brazen acorn]

Oh

[ionic notch]

Yeah so never die on aging basically right?

[craggy oak]

yep pretty much

[brazen acorn]

For the ope opw no mi yo give eternal life I think it needs to be done again and again

[steady prism]

Yes, I completely agree with this. I would argue due to the “imagination” description of Luffy’s fruit, I’d say Luffy could do many more intermediate forms compared to Chopper’s finite set of forms

[lavish forum]

whats the logia part

[rapid oxide]

quick thought
what if shanks isn't evil but he went to Marie Josie to look for info about the gomu gomu no mi because all the celestial dragons have books about all the info in the world

[hearty osprey]

His heads on fire......

[lavish forum]

bruh

[fervent flax]

Shanks is not evil
which manga have u been reading.
Dude's the old mentor that's going to die b4 manga ends

[craggy oak]

i think only imu knew how powerful the gomu gomu no mi is because he/she as around when joyboy was alive and joyboy could be a past user

[manic orbit]

Ultimate cartoon freedom

[lavish forum]

his head being on fire does not mean he has logia properties

[hearty osprey]

Probably gonna to translate into flame punchs and power

[craggy oak]

when end tho

[hearty osprey]

Don't even try to hit me with logic at this point he went toontown on us

[tough glacier]

Is there a theory on here for what the actual one piece is btw?

[rancid spade]

Maybe the multiple transformations are hito hito specific. Sengoku could have more than 3 forms as well.

[lavish forum]

next week we'll see

[fervent flax]

I agree with Driss. in such that Nika is the mask , im not sure if u guys are old enough to remember, the mask have rubbery body , and could do anything a cartoon can

[maiden linden]

Guys kaido created smile fruits so that he could make the Nika fruit hence why its called SMILE

[steady prism]

Too many. Check pins

[manic orbit]

Bringing Joy to everybody with cartoon powers

[tough glacier]

Thanks!

[valid finch]

https://tenor.com/view/yay-inside-out-joy-happy-excited-gif-8137132

[maiden linden]

he wanted to become or meet joyboy which is why he was sad luffy couldnt be joyboy

[fervent flax]

what was he going to do if he created nika? eat it since he believe he's joyboy ? he would explode due to him being a dragon fruit

[rancid spade]

Bruhhh, 💯 I see that

[maiden linden]

or he just wanted to meet joyboy

[normal plume]

that would take away from what Luffy is himself. I think his qualities related to joy are only amplified when he's in his awakening mode or Gear 5

[terse tangle]

I mean that would be great but the panel story stating the name came from mockery is against that. We just surmise that they were making something akin to the nika fruit: a zoan that brings smiles. Given how Kaido is obsessed with joyboy might make sense he knows some details

[manic orbit]

I think you need to have the right mentality to awaken the fruit

[maiden linden]

so give it to someone else

[velvet wasp]

Yes, yes! I have always been onboard the theory that to "awaken", a user needs to basically die but have the willpower to "wake up". Law basically got murdered by Doflamingo (lost an arm, shot up, etc). Kid was BTFO'd by Shanks, Kaido, and Big Mom Pirates, so he had plenty of chances to "die". Katakuri and Doflamingo are like 40+ years old and are seasoned veterans of wars soooo.

[hearty osprey]

What if luffys fruit really isn't the original hito hito no mi Nika, and it's actually an exact replica from vegapunk like momos... like it really was lost to time until he recreated it.. this might also explain why it took so long to access its full power. Bc if it was like momos fruit it took longer to unlock certain powers??

[manic orbit]

And that mentality needs to be compatible with toon logic, same as with many people being too serious and not seeing the cartoon angle

[fervent flax]

Does the one piece world have TVs and cartoons? like kids watch cartoons?

[hearty osprey]

Maybe that's also why they renamed it? And maybe that's why the gaint hat is in the cold lock up!! Maybe vegapunk used DNA off joy boys hat to make luffys df!!

[manic orbit]

I'm still laughing in reminescence to old cartoon I used to watch, in expectation to the shenanigans luffy is going to show us

[velvet wasp]

Nah, Kaido does not know about the Nika fruit. He was literally talking about how "rubber doesn't act like that". I think the only people privy to this info are Gorosei and some former Roger Pirates.

[steady prism]

Then by that logic, the WG would already have the original Nika fruit, which I don’t think is the case.

[manic orbit]

Now the door to toon world are opened and the world government is gonna weep

[hearty osprey]

Not if it was lost to time

But your still right too

[steady prism]

Oh so they had it, but lost it? Sure that would work

[brazen acorn]

How was it lost in time?
And how does it explain shanks finding it?

[manic orbit]

The fruit chose luffy is waht is implied

[rapid oxide]

it's been trending for a week and its not even out offically yet

[timber prawn]

He dug a hole and found it

[craggy oak]

there is always 4kids

[steady prism]

Some high-level Marine decided to leave and steal the fruit with them? So many possibilities

[velvet wasp]

I think it's pretty clear that following Wano we're going to get the "Vegapunk explains devil fruits" thing

[craggy oak]

its probably one the biggest moments in anime history so makes sense

[manic orbit]

This fruit holds the litteral cartoon physics power

[rapid oxide]

yea

[manic orbit]

It's reality breaking

[wanton needle]

Its really ridiculous

[manic orbit]

Like the trickster run in pathfinder wrath of the righteous

[wanton needle]

I really wanna see his moveset now

[manic orbit]

I'm certain it'll bring joy and smiles

[brazen acorn]

Remember this is for theories not chit chat

[manic orbit]

Theory: new gear 5th moves are all cartoon tied

They gonna make everybody even the ennemies smile

The world government will be horrified and luffy's bounty will go sky high

[velvet wasp]

His grabbing of Kaido looked REALLY reminiscent of the OG Gear 3rd. I have to imagine it's going to be essentially pure creativity and stretchiness at its most absurd. Him lifting the ground is something new, however. Also with the fact he can bounce back a bolo breath means he can "toonify" basically anything now.

[manic orbit]

gear 3rd was probably tamed version of toon physics

[fervent flax]

what counts as chit chat and theories discussion?

[hearty osprey]

So wait.... does this mean luffy has been tapping Into the toon powers since gear 4? Like when dolfys kick rebounded and his python bending to chase enemies?? All toon power

[manic orbit]

I think even luffy realises this, that's why he declared 5th to be its peak form

[fervent flax]

anytime luffy does something , like water luffy , it's toon powers

[steady prism]

Maybe the “toon-town” or “reality breaking” capabilities of the Nika fruit essentially comes from Luffy’s contact with the enemy. Like, the enemy becomes cartoon-ish when they get attacked by Joyboy. Maybe in the future we’ll see Luffy turn an entire area/region into a cartoon-ish scene without having to touch anything.

[valid finch]

cuz is funny to him and make him smile

[sly stratus]

Is Shanks an evil mastermind?

[fervent flax]

No

[manic orbit]

And also the universal infectuouls laugh and smile of the toon logic

[glass comet]

Shanks snitch

[fervent flax]

Also how roger was laughing at raftel.

[velvet wasp]

hits crackpipe Okay hear me out. Sun God Nika.

Gear 2: Sun. Heat, red hawk, burning powers.
Gear 4: God. Literally described to look like a deity by Hyogoro.
Gear 5: Nika. Self explanatory.

Gear 3, also is a lot like Nika. His inflation and chibi-Luffy are INCREDIBLY toon-like. His Gear 4 is more akin to the "God" part of sun god

[pure raven]

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[manic orbit]

Ye one theory I have is void century ia all toon physics shenanigans

The ridiculousness of the thing, the irony of it all

[steady prism]

It doesn’t look like it affected Kaido yet, but maybe he’ll start to laugh as he continues his fight against Luffy

[velvet wasp]

In Legend of Korra, we saw the first Avatar Wan from like 4983094239048 years ago drawn in like this watercolor cartoony style back then. I hope when we get the void century flashback it looks different stylistically like that

[sly stratus]

Why did he save Luffy by giving up his arm, when all signs indicate that he could have easily took that seabeast down.

[brazen acorn]

After gear 3 he needs longer shrinks

[pure raven]

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[glass comet]

He really is, like what pirate has that connection to the 5 elders and world gvt

[sly stratus]

To gain his trust and plot on how to use him in the future?

[manic orbit]

Yo the one piece world is not ready for toon physics

[pure raven]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[valid finch]

but is a fictional world, would work

[velvet wasp]

Shanks needs Gorosei to take him seriously and to take on Luffy because Luffy really has no beef with them yet. He doesn't care about the World Government, he just wants to be Pirate King. Shanks wants likely to completely dismantle the system like Joyboy aimed to but failed. So he needs Luffy to get involved one way or another

[manic orbit]

ye but world government fear this power

[velvet wasp]

Luffy beat Cracker with the most cartoonish finisher in the entire Manga

[sly stratus]

I mean he has plenty of reasons to hate the WG without Shanks

Luffy also stated he doesn't want to be a Hero he just wants to be free

[steady prism]

One idea I’m playing around with rn about is whether Gear 5 needs Luffy to be “entertained”. We see that as things become more ridiculous and cartoon-ish, Luffy is laughing at every single exchange of blows. What if this is the point of the cartoon-ish behavior? What if Joyboy’s battles need him to engage in this ridiculous way in order to fuel and maintain his ability as Nika? If Blackbeard is Luffy’s “moon”, then perhaps only Blackbeard’s Yami Yami has the ability to neutralize Luffy’s Nika powers.

[velvet wasp]

They literally said sacrificing their top agent to secure Luffy's death is more preferable than the outcome of Luffy potentially awakening... so yeah, they're afraid of him now. Now what is interesting is that Imu wanted Vivi dead OVER Luffy or Blackbeard.

[manic orbit]

Ultimate freedom, ultimate Joy, toon physics

[glass comet]

nah shanks is sus brro

[velvet wasp]

Well Blackbeard can certainly negate Luffy's powers. Luffy still follows Devil Fruit rules, so toonforce is really only one "KUROSU" grab away from getting nullified.

[dense mountain]

holy shit, what a W chapter

[sly stratus]

I think Shanks told the WG about blackbeard, it makes no sense for him to say anything about Luffy

[manic orbit]

In joyboy form it will have to be tested

We never had a zoan with that much extensive power

[steady prism]

Yep. Not to mention Luffy’s fire-logia powers can come in handy to diffuse that kind of situation

[velvet wasp]

Shanks is sus but in no world is he a true villain/evil. He definitely has an ulterior motive

[glass comet]

probably he saw luffy bounty with bitterness in his eyes and want to be the pirate king thats why he snitch

[sly stratus]

The thing that makes the least sense is what the hell is Kuzan doing with blackbeard

[velvet wasp]

On the contrary! The OTHER Hito Hito no Mi is the ONLY other Zoan to have more than 3 forms. Chopper can now transform into multitudes of forms even without rumble ball.

[wanton needle]

Sengoku as well has a Hito Hito no mi

[sly stratus]

possible, would completely go against his character

[manic orbit]

The implication of full rubber are huge, imagine the degrees of freedom luffy now has

[glass comet]

shank ultimate sus slash world gvt agent

[manic orbit]

That's why it's called toon physics

[steady prism]

Uh, I think Marco is a perfect example of “Zoans with multiple abilities”

[manic orbit]

Luffy rn literally feels he can do anything

[orchid apex]

its the first zoan of a "god" afaik, sengoku is like a buddha but they didnt describe him as a god

[wet meteor]

My theory is that luffy is in a fib currently. (Irregular heartbeat) if he’s in gear five too long he’d go into v fib and eventually death ☠️

[brazen acorn]

Its official name is too physics? Lol

[velvet wasp]

Nah he's not a government agent, Gorosei were pretty opposed to him but let him slide for an unknown reason.

[pure raven]

THE ONE PIECE IS LUFFY'S COCAINE LAB

[wet meteor]

A-FIB*

[manic orbit]

You saw how he redirected Kaido's beam?

[glass comet]

where did even shanks came from? is he Rocks D xebec son or a celestial dragon

[manic orbit]

That's some roadrunner logic

[solid prairie]

Blackbeard this fruit has to be a mythical zoan which rocks had. I believe it's the kraken theory

[brazen acorn]

How is it roadrunner logic? Lol

[valid finch]

put Cuphead too

[amber oar]

pfp checks out

coke doesn't make you euphoric tho, that would be more like magic mushrooms

[solid prairie]

Combo of both?

[manic orbit]

Except it clearly affects reality as well

[pure raven]

Crackhead energy tho lol

[solid prairie]

Rocks raped a cd tho that's too dark for one piece or fell in love with a cd who was shunned

[glass comet]

yeah exactly he is sus and hold authority over WG

[amber oar]

awakened magic mushrooms

[velvet wasp]

Dude literally bounced back a beam of flaming gas. He gave Kaido the looney tunes eyes. He can "toonify" others too. Also look how happy Kaido was and how he genuinely apologized to Luffy like a friend

[solid prairie]

If oda can just explain how goresei had a random shift that would be great

[pure raven]

SHANKS SNITCHED THE FRUIT TO WG FOR SURE, in exchange for sabos safety 😂😂😂

[glass comet]

he doesnt even know sabo

[stoic trail]

Did Luffy pull the ground as if it was rubber in one of the fighting kaido panels near the end ??

[wanton needle]

Yessir

[vestal orbit]

yes

[formal bridge]

Why fid it take luffy so long to know true power of his fruit
https://c.tenor.com/_XOJRgZ2M8QAAAAM/sheldon-cooper.gif

[hollow prairie]

1044 proved that shanks isnt working directly for gorosei/wg, otherwise he wouldn't have stolen fruit

[hollow prairie]

its a human-human zoan how quickly would you figure out

[steady prism]

Maybe Oda wanted to play with the idea that “true freedom” is a childish ideal that isn’t rooted in the real world. Therefore, Oda created a character who chooses not to engage in the “real world” and instead pulls that world back into the world of idealism, which is a cartoon-ish world where Luffy has full control. Luffy’s awakening is such a game changer, he’s now able to bring people into a realm where he controls its physics due to his rubber-like qualities.

[formal bridge]

@hollow prairie look at momo

[stoic trail]

Maybe nika model can also have attributes of a logia fruit and turn other stuff into rubber , it did say the limit to power was imagination and his fruit is named after a god so I would assume it also has a gods spirit as it said they have spirits

[velvet wasp]

Headcanon is that to "awaken" you need to die first and will yourself back awake. Which is why Law never used Kroom until after Dressrosa where he got like shot up and lost a limb

[brazen acorn]

We have seen these "toon eyes" with other characters before... Enel and the girl from doffy's crew. The fact that he has a lot of freedom and everyone is surprised, I don't think makes everything "toonified"

[hollow prairie]

he turns into a dragon thats different

[formal bridge]

@velvet wasp luffy didn't awaken though

[wanton needle]

Makes you think about when Ace asked Luffy when they were kids

[steady prism]

It’s almost confirmed he has the power of a Logia: his hair is on fire. I think the fact that he can change anything into rubber means he can be imaginative and create a world of his own making

[hollow prairie]

im not gonna lie i still dont see how luffys fruit is stronger that the lightning fruit, but then again i guess next chapter will show that

[valid finch]

hmmm how many arcs left after Wano end?

[glass comet]

arcs?

[steady prism]

Yes he did. He said G5 is the final gear. He turned a piece of land into rubber. That’s an awakening

[brazen acorn]

I would expect most paramecia to not all to be able to turn things in their material form when awakened like Doffy's

[stoic trail]

Agreed , I can’t wait to see him use more logia type abilities too , I wonder if he will use rubber or fire

[valid finch]

I mean, story arcs

[velvet wasp]

Uhhhhhhh I mean. He literally turned the ground into Rubber and the Gorosei constantly refer to the Nika form as awakening

[wanton needle]

2 maybe, If Oda is feeling generous 3

[terse tangle]

It isn't. It's only 'strong' bec of immunity from rubber properties

[formal bridge]

@steady prism you serious its mythical zoan human human fruit that's normal for them

[valid finch]

Mary Geoise, Lodestar and Laugh Tale (?

[steady prism]

The time when Ace and Sabo laughed at him? Yeah this pretty much shows that Luffy now has the power to back up his childish ideals

[velvet wasp]

But Luffy also has NO IDEA what is happening. He literally said "What's happening? How can I still stand?"

[hearty osprey]

Can I just also inject something else into my theory from earlier?
Maybe that's also why they renamed it? And maybe that's why the gaint hat is in the cold lock up!! Maybe vegapunk used DNA off joy boys hat to make luffys df!!
Maybe that's why all of the vine smoke kids have the curly eyebrows because some of the DNA judge injected into them was from Joy boy

[hollow prairie]

no i know that, but the gorosei said luffys fruit is the strongest, but i still dont see how the lightning fruit isnt the strongest, aside from going against a man made of an insulator

[severe edge]

Turning the environment into a different material is normal for mythical zoan?

[wanton needle]

Add Elbaf in there

[velvet wasp]

Yeah I posted earlier tonight that Luffy's eyebrows, Vinsmoke Eyebrows, Nika, and Lunarians are all connected.

[formal bridge]

@severe edge marco can make fire everywhere

[hearty osprey]

Judge was on the research team so maybe he tried to take his own route in creating Nika by turning his kids into him

[steady prism]

No it isn’t. Back when Doffy explained awakenings, he said that as a paramecia, an awakening is when you can influence and transform the world around you into your ability. We saw that happen w/Katakuri as well. Given Luffy’s (now) Zoan df gives him a paramecia-like ability (rubber), the fact that in G5 he turned the ground into rubber and created a shield out of it shows that Luffy’s G5 allows him to transform the environment around him, which ties back to Doffy’s explanation of an awakening. I believe that’s enough proof

[mighty ledge]

they didn't say it was strongest, they said it was most ridiculous, it's 2 different things

[hollow prairie]

yeah i didnt remember when i was typing that so i just made it up and hoped it was real

[formal bridge]

@steady prism thanks for explaining

[steady prism]

He can create fire, but doesn’t lturn something” into fire

[terse tangle]

I think it was strong because of the possibilities it possess based on what they said.

[velvet wasp]

Not sure why I can't post pictures but if you reread Jinbe vs. Who's Who, it ends with Jinbe saying "If you're going to mouth off about history, be ready for what you're stepping into!" I think he definitely knows more than he lets on.

[steady prism]

Get pirate-related and df-related roles in #old-role-info , then you can post pics

[formal bridge]

Do you think dragon is zoan type too?

[hollow prairie]

thats true

[sick turtle]

Just model

[hollow prairie]

nah it was great that luffy awakened as a god and decided to call it gear 5th

[wanton needle]

Didn’t the Gorosei say they tried to get the fruit for 800 years?

[mighty ledge]

they mean Luffy dad, not the fruit

[formal bridge]

@sick turtle i mean luffys dad

[sick turtle]

Oh bruh

[terse tangle]

Rereading the chapter it seems my inital thought that Gorosei kept track of Luffy and not kill him so they know where the fruit is might be null else why would they have Luffy killed which will truly put the fruit away from their eyes... unless it was a calculated risk ? Kill the potential now and hope they find it next time

[sick turtle]

Well we still don't know what his power could be

[brazen acorn]

Question about dragon. When he saved Sabo did he return to the ship on a boat?

[formal bridge]

Maybe dragon is god of sea xD

[mighty ledge]

it has been 800 years and no one awakening it yet, so yeah, they might have think Luffy can't awaken like other, until recently when Luffy keep getting stronger and stronger, and now he facing again Kaido, the threat is bigger so they decide to risk everything to kill him

[hollow prairie]

they definitely would kill luffy, especially cause of his bloodline, itd be way better for some random dude to eat the fruit than for luffy to have it

[velvet wasp]

Thanks, and this is what I meant by Jinbe

[steady prism]

Maybe they knew that it will take a LOT to awaken the fruit (ie near death), so as long as Luffy “fails” and dies because of it, they didn’t care. But ever since wano, the WG have been sweating lol

[hearty osprey]

They wouldn't have Hunted Luffy down if they thought his fruit was a failure like Momo thought his fruit with a failure

[sick turtle]

Huh

[terse tangle]

I don't think they know how to awaken it especially if awakening fruit is really thru death. I mean if you know something grows stronger thru death you will make certain it doesnt die and be more trouble

[hearty osprey]

A little further up I theorized that maybe Luffy's DF was a copy created by vegapunk and that's why the giant hat is in the cooler because it has some of Joy Boys DNA on it

[bitter seal]

I thought it was most ridiculous

[velvet wasp]

Yep seems so. From the fact that it hadn't awakened in 800 years means that they were not exactly confident in this random Rookie doing so. I think if they realized that it kept escaping from the WG, they might as well keep tabs on it instead of wasting CP0 manpower to keep chasing it.

[hollow prairie]

yeah it was i just forgot and made something up

[wanton needle]

I believe the only time the WG had his DF is when Who’s WHO’s was assigned to guard it

[sick turtle]

DNA doesn't makes sense cuz it's not a living thing, it's an object

[formal bridge]

@hearty osprey it's weird if they can create a fruit through dna does it mean kids can inherit power from their parents

[wanton needle]

@hearty osprey and Shanks took it immediately after

[sick turtle]

Power of peeping

[wispy shell]

Is it possible that Awakening of a DF have a correlation with the user's mastery of Haki?
So far all DF awakening user's has mastery of Haki (on some level)

[flint quartz]

No because their DNA didnt inherently have the abilities

[hearty osprey]

Vegapunks gone so probably not anymore

[terse tangle]

Also after Joy boy dies. (I assume joy boy as a previous owner)

[steady prism]

I somewhat agree. Given Kaido’s discussion about how “death completes a person”, I wonder if Kaido knows about Joyboy. Anyway going back to the WG, I would argue that they knew but didn’t expect him to survive for this long and be as successful so that’s why he hasn’t been on Imu’s radar until the most recent reverie

[flint quartz]

thats why conquerers is an inherited trait and not devil fruit powers

[sick turtle]

Will

[velvet wasp]

"most ridiculous" has been a quote from Oda since Fishman island.

[sick turtle]

They are will

[wanton needle]

Probably after Nika/the previous joyboy died (joy boy is a title)

[hearty osprey]

If you scroll further up I also theorized that judge tried this with some of the DNA on his kids and that's why all of his kids have the same eyebrows as Luffy in gear 5, possible even explains the zoan like healing

[terse tangle]

Could it be the missing pages was actually ripped by Kaido and not oden?

[sick turtle]

Hmm

[slim kayak]

y’all think shanks knew the tru nature of the fruit?

[bitter seal]

Yes

[steady prism]

No I believe it was clear that Oden was the one that ripped the pages

[terse tangle]

That would explain where Kaido got his info and also his obsession

[hollow prairie]

yeah no doubt zero question

[wanton needle]

Maybe, he was on Rogers Crew

[velvet wasp]

Yes, leading theory states he was on Foosha village looking for Ace, son of Roger.

[flint quartz]

Did he warn the gorosei about it?

[steady prism]

Anyway, I agree with what you’re saying Romeow, we’re just guessing the motives rn

[slim kayak]

and then when he went to the gorosei saying “fellas, i might have fucked up”

[mighty ledge]

no, because if he got a hand on Oden journal, he will know everything, and look at how he obsessed with JoyBoy, I don't think he will do what did to Wano

[sick turtle]

If shanks knows then the gorosei must've know that shanks knew so I guess nope, he doesn't

[bitter seal]

Shanks probably told the gorosei tbh

[hollow prairie]

this chapter made me realize that shanks is actually a god cause i swear if i had a fruit that would turn me into a god and a little kid ate it i would tie rocks to their legs and watch them sink to the bottom of the ocean

[formal bridge]

What about biological kids

[terse tangle]

I'm still in mind that Nika isn't an actual human but something same to Buddha. Just a myth. Only nika is an in-story based myth not some acrual deity irl

[mighty ledge]

I don't think so, I'm more on the side of Shank bet on the future because he see Luffy's dream and not because Luffy ate the fruit

[winter goblet]

nika is actually a japanese folklore

[sick turtle]

Do you think shanks read oden's journal, know all the truth, rip the pages off and tell gorosei about it?🤔

[steady prism]

Here’s another quick thought: Kaido’s ideas on “death completing an individual” was present since the time Oden was boiled. So perhaps this was something “taught” to him when he was younger….perhaps an elder of the Oni tribe he originated from. Maybe the Onis know of Joyboy

[hollow prairie]

saw someone post a theory comparing them to an old sun god, meira, i think, who had a brother that was a moon god

[bitter seal]

No

[hearty osprey]

I'm just going to go ahead and put a pin in it like this we have crossed the realm of doing anything in Luffy's imagination I'm sure there are other crazy reasons why things are the way they are in the one piece universe and now all we can do is sit back theorize and wait

[wanton needle]

understandable

[sick turtle]

Then it's a no

[wispy shell]

I think shanks knows about the fruit.
I read a theory somewhere that Shanks originally goes to East Blue to search for Roger's son.
Shanks originally wanted to give the fruit to Ace but somehow fate tells otherwise.

[wanton needle]

Hey man 😂 he said “an arm is a small price to pay”

[valid finch]

Oh sorry

[sick turtle]

Because the only way to know about the truth is from oden's journal I assume

[wanton needle]

We might even go back to WCI 🤷🏽‍♂️

[hollow prairie]

nah bro im feeding luffy to to that monster

[bitter seal]

Poneglyphs ?

[sick turtle]

Laugh tale, oden did write about it in his journal

[tranquil orchid]

Yeah, no wonder nobody guessed it, it was a literally a One Piece exclusive God

[velvet wasp]

Luffy's imagination PRE-awakening is already wild. Him taking out Cracker by being a fat Haki cannon is already one of the most ridiculous ways he's ever beat any opponent. Gomu Gomu no Boh is also a 5D chess way of countering observation haki

[sick turtle]

But the pages got ripped

[terse tangle]

Yes. The theory is that Shanks went to East blue knowing fullwell the fruits truth. Intending to give it to Roger's son. But luffy accidentally ate it. Shanks then decided to bet his arm on Luffy. Then when Luffy said same thing as Roger he gave the hat with no regrets.

He even said he's waiting for Luffy. He believes Luffy will rise to the top as the chosen one. And to help him do this he releases the info about the fruit to the gorosei in order to induce an awakening. I assume Shanks bet on Luffy being killed by the gorosei like how they like to kill anybody with info/influence in changing the current status

[formal bridge]

Do you think laughtale is related to luffys fruit

[feral tapir]

shanks knew that gomu gomu no mi was that powerful so he was willing to sacrifice his arm and if he thought luffy wasn't worth giving the fruit to he would've killed luffy himself

[valid finch]

WCI?

[tranquil orchid]

Oh really? What's the name of the folklore?

[feral tapir]

Whole cake

[wanton needle]

Whole Cake island

[steady prism]

OH SHIT THIS IS WHY KAIDO WANTED TO GO TO ACE’S DEATH HE THOUGHT THE MERA-MERA FRUIT WAS ACTUALLY NIKA FRUIT BECAUSE OF HIS FIRE ABILITIES!

[valid finch]

Oh

[terse tangle]

Tbf Nika / Sun god, have several bases but as much as I looked into it there's no specific "nika" it was all like judt Sun god.

[wanton needle]

And WHO STOPPED KAIDO?

[smoky basin]

i'm going to post a theory because i thought of it and it has no basis at all but
the one piece is the gomu gomu no mi

[sick turtle]

So I assume shanks is the person who rips the pages off from the oden's journal which that is how he knows about luffy's df from you guys theory

[valid finch]

I'm glad, so good to see these things happening on the manga

[steady prism]

BECAUSE SHANKS KNEW EXACTLY WHO HAD THE NIKA FRUIT…..BUT WHY DID KAIDO LISTEN TO HIM???

[velvet wasp]

Yes and no. I think Laugh Tale definitely has something to do with Joyboy/Sun God Nika's legacy but I doubt it like "requires" Gomu Gomu no Mi to access, otherwise it would be pretty dumb and impossible of a challenge that Roger issued

[terse tangle]

Bruuuh makin Shanks the rat more sense!!

[formal bridge]

Btw does does anyone know if gomu gomu no mi really exist?

[valid finch]

and the end is near

or not

[lyric berry]

I fuckin told y’all

[mighty ledge]

don't overthink it, Shank stop Kaido because Kaido want to interfere and make the situation more complex, lower chance for WB to rescuse Ace - Roger's son

[bitter seal]

Technically no, it’s hitohito

[feral tapir]

I think so

[velvet wasp]

Because Shanks drank him under the table. That literally is the only logical way he could've convinced him to turn around from heading to Marineford

[sick turtle]

Ay

[wanton needle]

Nah man this is the surface answer think deeper

[hollow prairie]

nah a few years ago oda was reading his story and thought, "rubber isnt a wild enough power" then he chose to make him the god of the sun, whose power is rubber, not fire

[valid finch]

Hihihihito no Mi

Like a laugh

[tranquil orchid]

A mix of mythologies, even so now that we know the fruit we just need to see how the themes will go since Luffy probs wouldn't give a damn about destiny or prophecy he'll just do what he wants

[mighty ledge]

bruh... the journal has never left Wano... how could Shank ripped it...

[steady prism]

Given Kaido’s lead performers being Jack, Queen, King, and Joker….maybe Kaido just wanted his Ace in the hole

[formal bridge]

I know that i mean another fruit with rubber properties only

[manic orbit]

Zoro meeting death might be a sign of him becoming underworld king?

[feral tapir]

Oda always knew he was gonna do that

[sick turtle]

He could've come to wano secretly

[hollow prairie]

thats what my hope is

[bitter seal]

Possible I guess? but I don’t think so personally.

[mighty ledge]

a Yonko go to Wano and Kaido didn't know about it? Really?

[feral tapir]

On the ship when they came back?

[brazen acorn]

Omg good one

[steady prism]

Genius strat. Shanks isn’t a rat he’s just a drunk

[tranquil orchid]

Luffy's a gag character now

[sick turtle]

They're both yonko tho

[mighty ledge]

Shank is like 10-15 back then... why would he ripped the page?

[velvet wasp]

I mean... yeah. Big Mom pulled up with her megaship and nobody knew until the prison.

[sick turtle]

Could hide presence

[feral tapir]

What do you mean he's smart and wanted power all along

[mighty ledge]

but Kaido knew... he was there to stopped her... normal person don't know, I give you that, because they don't leave Wano

[carmine flicker]

are there any Mythical Logia fruits that we know of?

[brazen acorn]

Wait he was that young?

[sick turtle]

Also it could be anytime or any year before he come to east blue

[formal bridge]

@carmine flicker marco

[steady prism]

Marco and Sengoku I’m wrong nvm

[carmine flicker]

but they are Zoan

[sick turtle]

Bruh

[manic orbit]

This chapter works on a meta level:People who can't embrass the toon would hae never awakened Joyboy, a sign to people not making the looney connection

[mighty ledge]

in Oden flashback, he and Buggy is literally look like a kid, I will give him a late teen at best

[formal bridge]

?

[velvet wasp]

Note: EVERY Mythical Zoan user has been shown this arc so far. Marco, Sengoku, Devon, etc.

[steady prism]

I don’t think the term “mythical” can be applied to logia fruits. Clearly Yami Yami is dangerous but it wasn’t dubbed “mythical” at all. They’re just elemental

[sick turtle]

Huh

[formal bridge]

@velvet wasp kaidou too

[brazen acorn]

But do we know when the pages were ripped? Maybe he found another chance to do it after he knew more

[carmine flicker]

i propose Mythical Logia: Metal Metal Fruit type Uranium, literally nuclear power

[velvet wasp]

Yeah, pretty clear that Logias are ONLY natural elements. That's why Oda had to change Katakuri from Logia to "Special Paramecia"

[carmine flicker]

Uranium is natural

[sick turtle]

Mythical is for zoans that is mythology animals or creatures

[steady prism]

When Oden returned home he ripped the pages and then embraced his wife/kids. I remember Oden doing that specifically

[carmine flicker]

i guess that makes more sense

[sick turtle]

Lol it was stated by oda tho

[terse tangle]

I got a bit too hyped at Shanks stopping Kaido. I forgot to ask WHY Shanks stopped Kaido... i mean saving Ace tho.. is ig the most likely? But also.. feels like out of nowhere form of intent. Never seen any implications he cared

[velvet wasp]

A Mythical Logia would be like Vibranium fruit or something. The closest thing we have is Yami Yami because it acts so weird. Blackbeard says "Darkness is Gravity" but then Fujiitora literally has the real gravity fruit and it's completely different

[brazen acorn]

Ok that's cool. I really need to reread wano

[steady prism]

I still wish Luffy got the Oil-Oil fruit: Model Crude Oil. Homie would be the one true enemy of the sea

[mighty ledge]

it's his captain son, it's Luffy's brother, of course he care...

[mighty ledge]

again, why would he ripped it... he's on Roger ship, if he wants to know, pretty sure Roger will tell him everything... there is no reason for him to rip it, and if he want to hide it, everyone on the ship know, how could he hide it?

[steady prism]

Same. Way too many hidden gems.

[brazen acorn]

I think Yami Yami fruit is more like black hole?

[digital crown]

Shanks evil

[wanton needle]

They met when Ace had his own crew, but other than that yeah I didn’t understand why he cared so much

[pure raven]

Does Shank have a DF?

[formal bridge]

@pure raven no

[velvet wasp]

We don't know what Shanks' real goal really is. My headcanon is that he wants to act as the "gatekeeper" to Laugh Tale for the next Joyboy. If Kaido came to the War of the Best, it would've just been a massacre of all sides. Queen's gas bombs, King burning everything, quakes en masse by WB, Admirals all fighting serious.

[wanton needle]

Luffy ate it 😭😭

[brazen acorn]

As bec said Oden ripped the pages hinself

[sick turtle]

Nobody knows

Even Oda😔 (he's just joking tho)

[formal bridge]

Btw guys didn't shanks say in the start they wanted too sell that fruit?

[velvet wasp]

Really, if Kaido went to Marineford, Big Mom is the dominant force in the New World since WB vs. WG vs. Beast Pirates would be a massacre on all ends

[sick turtle]

Yea, the crew is iirc

[wanton needle]

Shanks was gatekeeping God Valley part 2 in a way

[velvet wasp]

Pirates can lie! Just like how he lied about what the fruit really was to Luffy

[formal bridge]

That makes zero sense in shanks knowing about the fruit then

[brazen acorn]

There is also shanks

[pure raven]

Luffy vs. Im Wokege

[terse tangle]

Ok looked into parts of it. There's no indication he cared for ace at all. This was more he is wary of blackbeard

[steady prism]

If he thought that Ace ate the Nika fruit, then it’d make sense. What if Kaido has been “beating people into submission” for one clear reason: to find the user of the Nika fruit. If he’s able to beat you into submission, your df is definitely not Joyboy’s fruit because there’s no way you’d allow yourself to be “under” somebody’s control. Maybe he’s been trying to use SMILE to create an artificial Nika-Nika Zoan df, but the byproduct of his request was he can create a massive army of Zoan df users…I never thought I’d be saying this, but Kaido’s a genius

[mighty ledge]

you don't know if he knew the real name of the fruit...

[modest skiff]

We don’t know he knew

[velvet wasp]

I mean... he robbed it from Who's Who. No reason he would face CP0 for some random meme paramecia

[formal bridge]

Yeah maybe shanks didn't know at that time

[mighty ledge]

if he not care... why would he want to stop Ace... Ace die or not doesn't matter to him...

[modest skiff]

We don’t know he was there for the fruit

[sick turtle]

Not sure about that but all we did know is that kaido build the entire smile users to destory world govt

[brazen acorn]

And if he knew what Nika fruit does it makes sense to name it SMILE

[mighty ledge]

Lucky Roux robbed it though, his vivre card said he was the one who robbed/found it

[velvet wasp]

Very true @modest skiff and @formal bridge. A lot is up in the air right now.

[wanton needle]

Shanks most likely gave him the order

[mighty ledge]

Isn't it been revealed that Orochi named it SMILE, not Kaido?

[modest skiff]

The simple fact of the matter is we know less than we knew 2 weeks ago @velvet wasp LOL

[terse tangle]

It wasn't purely about Ace well being. Check the next panel. It's about Blackbeard.

[steady prism]

Completely agree. But I would like to think that he had an ulterior motive that would help explain why he wanted to go and “save” Ace. He already has King, so why does he need Ace?

[brazen acorn]

But let's say that Kaido really did wanna make the Nika fruit... how would he use it? He already has a DF

[tranquil orchid]

Nah, the name SMILE came from the result of failing to aquire any abilities, laughing hysterically

[formal bridge]

@wanton needle maybe shanks stole it just to troll wg

[brazen acorn]

Oh ok

[mighty ledge]

no, because he need to make a point why Ace need to be stopped, you can't just tell WB to stop Ace without reason, and the reason is BB is dangerous

[velvet wasp]

Yeah, Shanks likes Ace as a person but this was clearly more of a "stop letting your headstrong commander fall into Blackbeard's obvious trap"

[terse tangle]

They named it as mockery

[sick turtle]

It's not confirmed if he wanted to "save" ace instead of destroying the marines

[terse tangle]

I think we just see in diff pov. I am with what Paprika said. It's more like a don't fall into a trap. Not because he didn't want ace dead specifically

[velvet wasp]

I don't think Kaido knows EXACTLY what the Nika fruit is since he's clearly unsure of Luffy's powers. But he certainly knows something linking "joyboy" and "bringing smiles" etc. The Artur theory stating that the One Piece is Binks' Sake also can make Kaido's drunkenness a mockery of that as well.

[formal bridge]

Man i used to think oda would give luffy second fruit like bb but i am surprised by this chapter

[steady prism]

That’s true. It’s headcannon but it doesn’t make sense for him to go there to help the marines either. When I say “save Ace”, he’s not doing that out of the goodness of his heart. Rather, it’s so that he can confirm his suspicions and worse case scenario, turn WB’s second-in-command into a lackey

[terse tangle]

Shanks definitely knows something more. He is making moves with calculations. What is it about we know not yet. So nothing as simple as not wanting ace to die

[velvet wasp]

Shanks and Buggy are the only people who ever took Blackbeard seriously. They knew something was up with him never sleeping during the 3 day battle. And Shanks later got scarred by fruitless Blackbeard's wolverine claws.

[manic orbit]

Lol just reaad something on the reddit gear 4th to gear 5th = breaking the 4th wall = toon physics

[wanton needle]

Film Red better cover all of this

[lyric berry]

So uh where yall resin theorists at?

[velvet wasp]

You know for a fact it is not going to explain a goddamn thing.

[formal bridge]

@terse tangle shanks is not a calculating guy or he won't have given up his arm for luffy

[mighty ledge]

I don't think it won't, it will risk spoiling everything for anime watcher

[sick turtle]

Or maybe he just wanted to go there for different purpose and only for personal thing

[mighty ledge]

like he want to see if a lot of high level power there can kill him

[velvet wasp]

Say what you will about the resin crackpot theorists, but we can clearly see Demonia Robin and Gear 5 teased in this random gamer color spread

[brazen acorn]

One mistake doesn't mean he is not calculating tbf

[steady prism]

Yep, hopefully Oda elaborates on it someday

[terse tangle]

For me the giving up arm is to give Luffy a lesson. He had a speech about it in the chapter

[sick turtle]

Dude seeks suicide 💀

[velvet wasp]

Yeah, like Blackbeard is the world's greatest schemer, but he was one five minute piss break by Shiryu away from dying from poison.

[formal bridge]

@brazen acorn he could have saved luffy without giving up his arm though

[steady prism]

Watch Luffy pull a Hadoken in future battles like wtf

[pure raven]

he was weaker

[sick turtle]

It might could've be too late for him that he lost his arm while trying to swim away

[manic orbit]

The twist will be that at te end of their fight Kaido's gonna want to live

[velvet wasp]

I mean... he basically reflected a fireball back at Kaido soooooooo.

[sick turtle]

Not that he purposely give it up

[formal bridge]

@sick turtle couldn't he have used flying slash

[lyric berry]

My username is my pride

[manic orbit]

Live in a world with Joyboy

[pure raven]

nah

[copper axle]

It seems like the user's perception of their fruit power actually manifests in a way, does that explain the weird shit with the Dinosaur zoans?

[brazen acorn]

I don't think that was the problem ... I think it was just a miscalculation or something that happened

[simple jackal]

Man he literally grew fighting pirates, so a sea beast like this shouldn't be a problem

[sick turtle]

There's no sword

[pure raven]

kaido wanted a honourable death

[brazen acorn]

I mean he was strong enough to secure the gomu gomu fruit from the wg

[manic orbit]

Joyboy's derivative power seems to bring about happiness and Kaido will be its first victim

[mighty ledge]

change it to it aint resin/sunwukong

[formal bridge]

@sick turtle zoro can do that without swird though

[torpid mist]

Can luffy wish back shanks' arm at this point

[pure raven]

i mean shanks at episode 1 is weaker than shanks now???

[velvet wasp]

A buddy of mine says that Kaido is going to be satisfied with Luffy's victory over him and consider it an honorable loss. Then he'll sacrifice himself destroying the Marine ships around Wano, and we see Ryokyugu next to his corpse.

[sick turtle]

We still don't know how capable shanks is that time tho so

[brazen acorn]

Or maybe oda just made it so shanks gave up his arm to show how important Luffy was to him even back then

[manic orbit]

Still an upgrade from wanting to suicide

[simple jackal]

Okay but your sentence didn't make sense when you said he was too weak to save luffy from the sb

[formal bridge]

@sick turtle shanks could use conqueror haki what else do you need

[steady prism]

Tbf I asked this before and someone said that it wasn’t Oda’s original decision for shanks to lose an arm: #manga-theories message so take it with a gain of salt I guess

[velvet wasp]

Y'all I think it's pretty like uh evident that Shanks choosing to "bet" his arm is a retcon by Oda when he decided he wanted to make Shanks a major character. I think if you just read chapter 1 in a bubble it's clear it's akin to someone taking a shot for a loved one.

[sick turtle]

Like I said, it's way too late, luffy would've get eaten before he use conq

[pure raven]

i said he was weaker not he was too weak to save luffy

[formal bridge]

He still used it after losing his arm though

[pure raven]

he had no time fr

[sick turtle]

That's because there is time, try to use logic for once...

[formal bridge]

Anyway i think oda just did that for feels there's no logic

[terse tangle]

Oh ok nevermind yall. Shanks lost his arm when Romance dawn was still a one shot. Apparently it wasnt supposed to be included but it was requested by Oda editor so when serialization happened they kept it in because it was iconic

[simple jackal]

You said he was too weak when we said that he could have saved luffy without giving up his arm, so it makes same sense whatever you said it or not

[mighty ledge]

let's me put it out for you:
Luffy Ch1 beat that sea beastin 1 hit, Luffy Ch1 is way weaker than CP9
Shanks Ch1 beat CP9 => Shanks Ch1 way stronger than Luffy Ch1 => way stronger than that sea beast

[velvet wasp]

Shanks was PLENTY strong during Chapter 1 since he had dueled with Mihawk in the past. Yes, logically, he could've just Armament Haki'd his arm and tore off Lord of the Coast's head in an instant. But it's clear that his arm loss was just part of Oda's vision for a pilot chapter

[pure raven]

what

[copper axle]

What if shanks was hesitant to save luffy for a second

[digital crown]

Shanks is evil

[formal bridge]

Yeah just for feels

[spring anvil]

several people are typing

[simple jackal]

Maybe oda didn't create those powers yet lol, he never knew that he will make powers like arnament, observation and stuff

[mighty ledge]

it mean Shank can save Luffy without losing his arm, but like other say, it could mean Shank teaching Luffy a lesson, so it doesn't matter, so if he's that calculated, evil person, then he still can save Luffy without lose his arm

[formal bridge]

@simple jackal or maybe it was just to make us emotional

[pure raven]

i wanted to say he was weaker than he is rn

[sick turtle]

Guys, please remember that shanks is swimming, he can't move fast like fishman or merfolk unlike zoro that have swords to help him dive by the current (well he might still could but he's just 0.1 sec late)

[simple jackal]

That's why he gave up his arm

[velvet wasp]

100% he didn't. He turned Shanks' glare into Conquerors, Mantra into Observation, etc. I don't think he had an idea of what Haki would be until Enies Lobby when Garp used the "Fist of Love"

[brazen acorn]

I doubt he hadn't thought of anything like that from the start

[simple jackal]

Everyone knows that doe, he just got a bit stronger than before nothing else

[simple jackal]

That's the reason shanks lost his arm

[formal bridge]

I don't think shanks got stronger. He was always strong instead git a little weaker due to losing arm

[warm cave]

Shanks only saved luffy because he knew about the secret of gum gum fruit

[pure raven]

so u telling me him at the start of one piece he could matchup w kaido

[formal bridge]

Yeah

[simple jackal]

Maybe, there's a 75% chance

[velvet wasp]

Word of God from Oda says Shanks got stronger since. He didn't turn Yonko until 6 years ago. Luffy ate Gomu Gomu 12 years ago.

[brazen acorn]

If it is true that the reason shanks lost his arm is because the publisher thought it would be cool, then oda probably used the fact that he had to make shanks lose an arm to his advantage

[simple jackal]

Yes

[warm cave]

Theory of the origin of Devil Fruits :
Millions of Years ago , the Gods and the Devils started a war to conquer each other’s territory , and after a long fight , the Gods have lost. The Devils took their souls and locked them inside capsules ,thus conquering the entire world.

Years Later , the devils started a civil war on each other due to their greedy and selfish thoughts to rule the entire world on their own , all the devils died in that war , leaving only ruins of the devil’s world , and the capsules to lock the souls of the gods are gone missing in different places in the world during the war.

These capsules are now known as the “Devil Fruits” , and whoever ate those capsules will gain the ability of the specific God/Goddess , but come with the price of unable to swim due to the fact that God/Goddess conquer only the sky/air in the past , and the devils conquer the land/sea , when a person with the god’s soul inside them try to swim , where the devil’s energy surrounds them (sea water all around them) , they cant move at all due to their energy being surpassed . The reason that they can still walk on land is that air (a part of the sky) still surrounds them , balancing the energy of the devils around them .

When a devil fruit user dies , the capsule together with the soul of the specific god/goddess will get reform at some place nearby , as the devils have made the capsule unbreakable, forcing the god/goddess to stay in the capsule forever , no matter what happens. Everytime the df’s user dies , the god/goddess will try to escape from the capsule , but wherever they go , the capsule will be around them.

[formal bridge]

@velvet wasp maybe he just didn't wanna be yonko

[spring anvil]

do people forget that shanks and white beard clashed

[heavy field]

Can someone explain what’s happening with this Luffy is outerversal stuff?? Like I know he is insanely stronger now but what’s with the “toon ability”

[sick turtle]

Bro this is copied and pasted, just shush

[warm cave]

Because no one rated it last time i posted it

[spring anvil]

People are saying his power includes him becoming the embodiment of rubberhole but i dont buy it

[sick turtle]

Then try post it when nobody's chatting

[velvet wasp]

There's negative evidence that Shanks got weaker other than Mihawk saying he won't duel a one-armed man. Single armed Shanks casually split the sky with Whitebeard, speedblitz blocked Akainu from hitting Koby, and was scary enough for Blackbeard to be like "lolnope I don't think I will keep quaking"

[upbeat crane]

Where’s the latest chapter discussion

[spring anvil]

manga

[warm cave]

I posted it when no one is chatting the first time i posted it , but no one replied or rate it , so i just tried again

[heavy field]

Neither do I but it seems interesting, like Luffy can now just imagine winning??

[simple jackal]

Luffy isn't actually a god, and the nika fruit just gave him extensions of rubber

[sick turtle]

Gone

[formal bridge]

Doesn't mean he couldn't do that when he had both arms

[heavy field]

I see I see

[velvet wasp]

So nobody knows anything concretely. But essentially from what we can see he can change and expand his form and the world around him to whatever form he sees fit. The biggest "toon" feats is expanding to wrap all around Kaido and reflecting a Bolo breath.

[spring anvil]

ya idk my theory is just that luffy now has more freedom with his body and manipulating the world around him as rubber because he has become nika from the fruit, who was able to do these things. Luffy was rubber before this transformation because nika was a rubber man

[sick turtle]

Lol maybe it's because it's way too long

[lyric berry]

Wya resin theorists????

[warm cave]

I posted a short theory last time and got a warn cuz it does not have enough points

[heavy field]

So like Luffy out here just reflecting kaidos strongest attack 🗿

[sick turtle]

What💀

[digital crown]

Can he beat goku tho

[spring anvil]

Some guy told me that there is a clear parallel between nika and popeye because they both save people lmaoooo

[heavy field]

hopefully 😌😌

[sick turtle]

Might equal😔

[heavy field]

nah tbh I don’t like those anime scaling discussions they’re just biased and dissatisfying

[warm cave]

y e s , by the most hated mod , youss

[spring anvil]

Like if this toon thing is real no one has given a compelling argument for it yet, i'm not saying its impossible

[velvet wasp]

It's more than that- he's bouncing back flaming gas like it's a bullet. He's bending the laws of physics to his will.

[urban tapir]

I am putting my liver on the line: This homie not only is not dead, but is also Vegapunk and he is the goat

[heavy field]

so what ur telling me is my guy can reflect Blackbeard stuff?

[terse tangle]

Likely backed by this silhouette. Look at the curve of his arms and legs. It's too C and not like L where normal joints will be. Now I'm trying to see other characters to contradict shown like this that aren't part of gag like chopper dancing so his arms are wiggly

[lethal heath]

When we find out Vegapunk and Caesar Clown were trying to make SMILE fruits for the government to remake Gomu Gomu No mi. Thats why Momos fruit was a failure it didnt mimic luffys but kaidos

[sick turtle]

Lol

[brazen acorn]

didnt the elders say that they sacrificed one of theirs? or am i misremembering gotta reread

[heavy field]

OH WAIT THAT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE

[spring anvil]

@terse tangle Ya i think simply nika was a man made of rubber, (being a mythological being)

[velvet wasp]

Blackbeard is the exception to like everything so who knows lmao. For all we know all Blackbeard has to do is grab Nikaman once, and then boom back to reality Luffy goes.

[urban tapir]

They did, but I know he ain't dead. 100% faking it

[lethal heath]

And Luffy cant stop laughing

[heavy field]

imagine sanji with this fruit 👀 😍😍

[velvet wasp]

Not just that, Luffy's curved eyebrows resemble Sanji's. King was saved from Punk Hazard, so there's definite Lunarian ties going on

[spring anvil]

Luffy is laughing because he is taking on the personality a bit of nika who is always portrayed as laughing

[urban tapir]

I know SMILE was an attempt to recreate Luffy's fruit. Vegapunk foiled this plan by having the actual fruit awaken

[sick turtle]

Also like that flame like hair?

[heavy field]

Vega punk is a good guy?? Or bad?

[lethal heath]

but Smile fruits are to copy it. thats the theory

[spring anvil]

its always been theorized that vega is a good guy

[terse tangle]

Yeah He was simply a rubber man according to the myth who used his power and maybe life to spread joy and liberate those who suffering thus the people began to worship him as Sun God (which I think is like symbol for hope and such in some)

[sick turtle]

Nobody knows

[velvet wasp]

Anyone else find the constant laughing kind of... unsettling? Someone pointed out that the drawback to G5 is likely far worse than Luffy losing lifespan or unable to use Haki

[lethal heath]

imo people are reading too much into the curved eyebrows

[velvet wasp]

Could very well be. But at this point anything flies IMO

[heavy field]

so guys here’s the big question what is the one piece now? i think that it’s the world becoming whole and the red line getting absolutely fucked

[spring anvil]

I dont like the idea of nika being a rubberhole being or soemthing i think its a bit lame but i can accept it, I just hope its as simple as what i've explained

[sick turtle]

That theory is before the introduction of chapter 1043 and 1044 so I guess the theory got uh, thrown away then

[urban tapir]

Vegapunk is probably neutral, but with a sprinkle of Hero's side

[hearty osprey]

I actually theorized not too long back that maybe his fifth gear decreases his lifespan every time he uses it and that's what was happening to Joy boy and that's why Joy boy had to write his goodbye

[velvet wasp]

Still follow Artur's theory that it's Binks' Sake and the plan to make the world whole.

[lethal heath]

i think its more the fire on his head, the orignal joyboy couldve been lunarian and with his spirit awakening the fire on luffys head is like a lunarian thing maybe?

[spring anvil]

joyboy and the fruit aren't connected joyboy just ate the fruit i think

[sick turtle]

What if luffy keep getting stronger as still he feels joy

[formal bridge]

Btw any fore shadowing of luffy being joyboy

[lethal heath]

Nika than

[heavy field]

Joyboy = Nika or no

[spring anvil]

@formal bridge him always smiling and being happy after eating the fruit

[velvet wasp]

Luffy suddenly feeling hyper energized definitely has to come with devastating drawbacks. As in he can likely only use this form a handful of times before he goes kaput for good

[sick turtle]

Nickname

[lethal heath]

i believe that but they could be 2 different people too

[spring anvil]

No nika is a mythological god, joyboy was the last user of the fruit hito hito no mi model nika (most likely)

[heavy field]

Luffy has split personality disorder

[urban tapir]

Rather, the last person to awaken it

[spring anvil]

ya probably

[lethal heath]

Joyboy couldve been NIka and become trapped in the fruit. Fruits are very likely man made

[urban tapir]

Gomu could have been afloat and seen as a useless fruit for centuries since Joy Boy

[heavy field]

Also I think that the post wano arc isn’t going to be elbaf but something right before it, what about y’all, sort of how wc had reverie right before Wano

[sick turtle]

But it says that luffy is joyboy and reincarnation is fully hated by oda

[lethal heath]

the WG was still looking for it

[spring anvil]

idk it makes more sense that joyboy was just the last one to awaken the fruit, i think the story of nika dates back wayyy before joyboy

[sick turtle]

Oda don't make sense sometimes fr

[urban tapir]

And they failed every time for some reason. I believe this to be the fault of D. family and the fact that they kept the fruit running around until somebody could awaken it and wreck havoc to the world; Destruction

[spring anvil]

luffy isn't joyboy, or at least who joyboy was

[sick turtle]

Manga chapter 1044...

[spring anvil]

i read it yes

[primal fjord]

Joyboy is the fruit itself

[tired junco]

joyboy could just be a title for whoever has the fruit rather than a name

[velvet wasp]

Joyboy is definitely a title. Since Kaido wanted to "be Joyboy"

[grave stratus]

There was a question mark at the end , so it is not confirmed that luffy is joy boy

[brazen acorn]

that would make sense, in a way

[terse tangle]

Nika is a mythological warrior revered as a god*

[heavy field]

It wouldn’t cuz then Zunisha would have said that back in Zou, like why now yk

[sick turtle]

Kaido's issues might just be like yamato wanted to be oden tho

[steady prism]

I like the play of devil fruits actually having the power of “gods” in them (at least, the original gods of this world). Also the “territories” are a great way to explain why df users are weak against the sea. I’m not quite sure I agree with the “capsule” idea just yet…I still think there’s a “tree” controlling the rebirth of these powers into different dfs

[urban tapir]

D. standing for "Destruction" makes sense with this and that panel

[manic orbit]

Imao Joyboy is a state of mind

[spring anvil]

I think most likely joyboy was given this name and the only reason zunesha called him joyboy was because he recognized the fruits awakening (him as in luffy)

[sick turtle]

Kaido wanted to be joyboy, not that he wanted to be the real joyboy but instead a new joyboy

Is what I think

[spring anvil]

ya kaido was most liekyl creating df's to recreate the fruit

[manic orbit]

A statek of mind evoking the pure childhood innocence and silliness brought by cartoons

[urban tapir]

100% trying to recreate Gomu Gomu

[velvet wasp]

I mean Luffy "destroying" fishman island by saving all the fishman and bringing them to the surface has been like universally agreed on for like a decade

[formal bridge]

Btw will luffy burn the fishman island now?

[spring anvil]

well trying to recreate myth. niika

[sick turtle]

The heartbeat, yea

[pale yoke]

what if Rayleigh decided to teach luffy bcs he already knew about the fruit?

[brazen acorn]

I can bet he did

[urban tapir]

possible. he do be knowing about the Void Century

[spring anvil]

is it even confirmed that rogers crew knew about the fruit?

[pale yoke]

damn that makes sense, shit my mind is blown

[sick turtle]

Nope

[steady prism]

No

[formal bridge]

Yeah he burn the whole island now

[urban tapir]

Buggy ain't seem to know shit, but he didn't go to Laugh Tale either

[spring anvil]

it's likely roger didn't even know that fruit existed

[analog sun]

Yeah it'd be interesting to know if he or Shanks had any clue about it. Hard to imagine Buggy had any idea though

[primal fjord]

But how kaido know too much about "joyboy"? Is Vegapunk his friend and he told him, since kaido ordered vegapunk-ceaser to produce "smiley" and it effects everyone same as luffy is affected by his fruit awakening

[tired junco]

shanks at the very least probably knew something

[sick turtle]

Maybe because of xebec

[urban tapir]

Unsure, since he stated his wish to meet with Joy Boy

[urban tapir]

yooo Xebec last Gomu fruit holder but was unable to awaken it?

[manic orbit]

Joyboy is both a title and a state of mind imao

[sick turtle]

Nobody knows man

[tired junco]

joyboy is a grindset my guy

[spring anvil]

that'd be sick actually @urban tapir

[steady prism]

Yep, either that or Oni species remember a lot more about Joyboy than expected. Tbf Xebec knowing it makes more sense because of his taboo knowledge

[sick turtle]

xD

[analog sun]

This chapter pretty much confirmed Joy Boy is just a person who had eaten and awoken the same fruit as Luffy, around 800 years ago. This is it, "Joy Boy is a title" is dead

[formal bridge]

The only guy with d that isn't against wg is garp

[spring anvil]

does anyone buy that luffy has rubberhose powers i dont buy it

[manic orbit]

They were enslaved, it makes sense they'd remember the ultimate freedom fighter

[steady prism]

Onis? When was that mentioned?

[urban tapir]

I bet my liver that Xebec had the Gomu fruit, died and lost it at Usopp Valley. What happened to the fruit between the battle and Shanks stealing it remains unknown, I can't fill this gap. But I know Xebec had the Gomu and failed to awaken it

[tired junco]

but that doesnt mean his true identity is joyboy, it could just be how he's refered to

[manic orbit]

Kaido was in Punk hazard alongside King, so I infered but it may be a stretch

[formal bridge]

Why does he have joyboy hair then

[analog sun]

Oh yeah fair enough, it might not be his real name

[sick turtle]

No he doesn't

[formal bridge]

Look in the pic

[urban tapir]

Unsure, but according to Gorosei the fruit hasn't been awakened for centuries. Couldn't have been him to awaken it at the very least

[manic orbit]

WG may have killed previous owner close to awakening it maybe?

[analog sun]

More like a nickname like "Blackbeard" or "Big Mom". But they're not titles that someone else will carry

[sick turtle]

It doesn't even look similar

[viral sluice]

joy boy is a person

[urban tapir]

Xebec was the previous holder. I'm convinced of this

[spring anvil]

does that mean roger might have tried to stop the awakjening?

[manic orbit]

Yes but it could asllo descibe the state luffy isin now

[analog sun]

The erasure from history part of it is awfully sus

[viral sluice]

the rubber heated up tur\s to resin witch makes the hari like melted resin

[steady prism]

Ohhh so my understanding was that he was captured by marines, hoped they’d kill him, and they failed. So he was put in Punk Hazard for experimentation. In the end, he got bored and decided to leave w/King . To summarize, Kaido was simply “caught” by the marines, his species wasn’t enslaved

[formal bridge]

@urban tapir why did they hide his info then

[quartz fiber]

That would mean it is… not dead

[urban tapir]

Couldn't afford to have people know Gomu was a god fruit, even in God Valley fight

[viral sluice]

joy boym is reincarnted luffy so this is joyboys powers awakening in luffy

[manic orbit]

His suicidal thoughts came after he nfailed at becoming joyboy

[bitter seal]

Kaido saying “ you couldn’t be joyboy either” totally could have meant xebec

[spring anvil]

^

[cursive jay]

Holy fuck, we gonna see more fire type moves

[manic orbit]

No it,S because luffy is lufy that he could awaken the fruit, i go further it's because the fruit chose him

[analog sun]

"How high will your ceiling go?" few chapters prior too with one of the rare appearances of Rocks

[bitter seal]

Misu luffy might return

[viral sluice]

he didnt awaken it yet

[sick turtle]

He could've also refer it to himself and not someone else tho

[severe robin]

bro luffys new pwoerup is literally him being a looney tunes character. It explains all of luffys past powers that made no sense

[steady prism]

It is awakened.

[sick turtle]

But welp theory is a theory

[viral sluice]

yall sure?

[urban tapir]

I am starting this theory officially now: GX Theory, Gomu Xebec.

[manic orbit]

To become Joyboy you need the toons mindset i think

[viral sluice]

WW|

[severe robin]

Sorry to burst your bubble but you didnt come up with that theory

[steady prism]

Yep, we hashed it out earlier. Here are my thoughts on it: #manga-theories message lmk if you still think otherwise

[urban tapir]

I popularized it, therefore I claim ownership. No one can stop me

[sick turtle]

Who

[brazen shale]

It doesn't matter

[severe robin]

I saw it before on twitter and tiktok

[urban tapir]

No, he meant to say "Who asked" (jk)

[sick turtle]

Most of these guys theories are from there tho

[analog sun]

Fine, we'll be sure to credit "That tik tok fartsmella saw one time" when mentioning the theory

[urban tapir]

Honestly Kaidou flashback will be hella interesting. Next big thing

[steady prism]

Also @viral sluice here are some thoughts on why “reincarnation” theory might be dead: #manga-theories message

[spring anvil]

reincarnation theory is dead

[sick turtle]

It had always been dead just some ppl are too dumb for not knowing about what oda hates

[viral sluice]

Remember when luffy said he wasn't a zoan user to momo

[urban tapir]

Lowkey foreshadow

[steady prism]

There’s still some questions on how much impact the Zoan df’s “will” has on its user

[analog sun]

Rocks and Vegapunk lore tease, followed by yet another interruption to his (now losing) fight with Luffy: the WG starts using whatever the fuck SSG is, destroying everything. Kaido sacrifices himself to beat them and save Wano and the Strawhats in a last minute redemption iconic One Piece moment.

End of Act 3

[spring anvil]

It's already affected his will, luffy has been changed by the fruit since chapter 1

[steady prism]

He didn’t know his fruit was a Zoan. Heck his flames power was plenty sus before that

[spring anvil]

he doesn't have flame powers lmao

[urban tapir]

Kaidou seen smiling while fighting Luffy is a good indication that WG might get clapped next chapter in exchange for Kaidou sacrifice

[steady prism]

Uh did you forget about Red Hawk?

[spring anvil]

No i didn't

[sick turtle]

My theory is that the df choose it's user even for centuries long for the right person to appear thus it's awakening power will make the user become joyful and given the name Joyboy

[spring anvil]

that isn't the result of fire powers lmao

red hawk is "A Haki enhanced version of Gomu Gomu no Jet Bullet"

[manic orbit]

Being ruber allows more freedom affecting your psyche indirectly

[urban tapir]

Zoans can live in ojects. Gomu could have been doing it's own thing as any fucking thing since Joy Boy, which is kinda crazy to think about

[sick turtle]

HELL NO MORE BROKEN BONES OR RIBS

[manic orbit]

gear 5th is just a culmination of everything, Luffy is basically enlightened

That's why he's confident it is his final form

[sick turtle]

What if hito hito no mi could only works on living beings

🤔

[viral sluice]

so but to explain why he can streach his rubber in multiple way
we go to the deformrs=ds version of rubber
resin
even more proof
when he is in his gear 2
gear four' he has a skill that streachers all around rubber cant do that its phsycly impossible but resin can. resin is still flameable so that zlso explain red hawk.and when he blows up hi are like a balloon over a baloon is resin .when resin is hpt it melts liek luffys hair did and resin is verry hard like whn the drumbs of liberation its lufys heart covers in hot hard resin wich make a lud noise

[analog sun]

So where's the Oro Jackson's giant egg and what's in it?

[manic orbit]

You'd have to know Nika's powers to be certain

[pale yoke]

anyone have theoriy where is my man zoro

[sick turtle]

Nope

[steady prism]

Here’s what I’m trying to say: Luffy telling Momo “my fruit isn’t a Zoan” didn’t make me doubt Luffy’s fruit isn’t a gomu-gomu. However, Luffy being able to “use flame skills” was sus to me personally, because it didn’t really fit my pov of Luffy’s gomu gomu fruit. Therefore, if someone wanted to be suspicious that Luffy’s fruit isn’t what you think it is, you can use Red Hawk as an example

[viral sluice]

but to explain why he can streach his rubber in multiple way
we go to the deformrs=ds version of rubber
resin
even more proof
when he is in his gear 2
gear four' he has a skill that streachers all around rubber cant do that its phsycly impossible but resin can. resin is still flameable so that zlso explain red hawk.and when he blows up hi are like a balloon over a baloon is resin

[manic orbit]

My guess is rubber is just a subset of the power's effects

[sick turtle]

Zoro is lost, once again

[pure raven]

is it safe to say that the Nika fruit was the same fruit Joyboy had?

[spring anvil]

I know what you are saying but I'm just saying that red hawk isn't really sus bbecause its just him manipulating his rubber body + haki

[viral sluice]

resin is flameable wich explains the red hawk and the other fire powers

[manic orbit]

He met Death then Franky saved him, Imaybe this encounter will be important to him as future king of the underworld

[analog sun]

Yep, Zunesha's recognizing it overlaid with the timeframe from the Gorosei leave little doubt now

[viral sluice]

its resin resin is a deformed version of rubber wich is flamebale so it dosnet need haki invovles

[spring anvil]

resin is dead sanji stop lmao