manga-theories

[lunar shell]

Ok now that we explained how Teach can do all he does I'm wondering : Where are his other two head, and where part of his body is weird, as marco says

[foggy iris]

The biggest thing about BB being more than one entity is when Zoro and Luffy on Jaya said ''It's not him, its them'' as if BB were more than one person

[ashen surge]

Has there been an artificial DF that wasn’t a zoan?

[terse moon]

Luffys fruit

[lunar shell]

I know that we never see teach without his headthing

[ashen surge]

We don’t know if Luffy’s fruit is manmade

[novel karma]

I think thats just them saying he's just not some random guy, hes a captain with will of his own

and with a crew*

[ashen surge]

Nah, dont think that

[foggy iris]

Would be weird

[lunar shell]

Yes but that wouldnt make sense, even Nami doest get it, why wouldnt Nami understand when they have all three the same intel about him having or not having teammate. No. Teach is legion.

[ashen surge]

But yeah, Vegapunk and Caesar probs found the artificial zoan method together and BB was part of those trials

[lunar shell]

Omg ok

I get it. I know what happened I think. Oda create two sister for Teach, and draw him crying under the moon. What if Xebec attempted to create a cerberus on his childs, fusing them together. Yes I'm going with that

[ashen surge]

Why Xebec and not Vegapunk

[novel karma]

bro yall wilding with theese

[lunar shell]

Cuz we need xebec involved in the story

[ashen surge]

No we don’t xd

[lunar shell]

Oh but we do, why else would Oda imagine such a character

Beside, Vegapunk is a good guy, he wouldnt sacrifice two girl

[ashen surge]

To build the narrative that even some of the Marines have disagreements if Roger or ”all pirates” are bad

[novel karma]

Xebec is in a story same way roger is in a story, roger had similar will to luffy's and BB probably has the same as Xebec. They will fight for One piece imo\

[ashen surge]

To show that there are forces in the world you have to deal with by finding common ground with someone who you’ve thought is your enemy

[lunar shell]

If you guys dont understand Oda implanted Xebec to serve to current story you are beyond any help I can provide. I'm sorry

[ashen surge]

What is the role of Xebec?

[lunar shell]

Precisely.

The answer is needed, and provided if he is linked to Teach.

[ashen surge]

So far? He was an antagonistic force who made Gol D Roger and Garp make an alliance

[novel karma]

Nah cuz with the same logic u can say when will joyboy come into place? Nah joyboy is past but we can draw from his actions what will happen.

[lunar shell]

Not to mention the Xebec => Teach parallel with Roger => Luffy

[novel karma]

Thats litteraly what i wrote lol

[ashen surge]

Xebec showed that pirates and marines can have a common enemy

[lunar shell]

And guess what, next arc, the sword will ally with Luffy to defeat Teach

[ashen surge]

Dunno who comes first, Shanks or BB. WG will be the last enemy

[lunar shell]

Then you understand that this significantly increase the fact that Xebec is link to Teach on a story point of view, and that is explain why Xebec and not Vegapunk

[ashen surge]

They don’t have to be linked, they can just have the same ”idea” or ”role”

[lunar shell]

Actually its Shanks vs BB, Shanks lose, then Luffy and sword defeat BB. Then luffy is defeating the WG ( Sword excluded )

[sinful helm]

bb should face luffy on Raftel

[lunar shell]

Xebec NEED to be linked to the current story

[ashen surge]

Sword will be the crew who will defect marines who side with WG

[novel karma]

Yeah thats why i think u can understand that characters dont have to be linked to inherit someone's will. Luffy inherited roger's and BB most likely inherited Xebec's

[sinful helm]

also it should go Elbaf-Lodestar-Raftel-End war arcs

[ashen surge]

Sword is literally the ”good cops” who will realize the corruption of WG

[lunar shell]

I'm sorry you dont see that but as a writer, you dont create character of such significance to have them on the background

[lunar shell]

Im not talking about inheriting will, and even in the reality I am, what you say is wrong

[lunar shell]

Roger need to be portrayed somehow so we understand what will is inherited, and roger was, a lot. He is everywhere.

If we dont know what Xebec goal was at least, then we couldnt even know if teach inherited his will or not. We wouldnt be able to compare them

[restive mirage]

Xebec is a nigga though

[ashen surge]

Yo with the racism

[novel karma]

💀 💀 💀

[lunar shell]

Teach alert

[novel karma]

bruh cant wait for next chapter im so hyped

[warm edge]

next arc is most likely Elbaf / Shanks Arc

[sour ivy]

Yeah Shanks has to make his move now

[ashen surge]

”What happens next” should go to #manga

[pure raven]

Who cares if Luffy is joy boy real question is how does Blackbeard does this

[ashen surge]

We just talked about that for an better of an hour

[pure raven]

REALLY HAHA I’m late

[ashen surge]

223,225,236 are the same teet btw

[lunar shell]

Its not ' he ', its ' they '

[ashen surge]

Blackbeard is the non-binary representation that we need and Luffy and Zoro were just acknowledging their pronouns

[lunar shell]

I know for a fact that 581 is an Oda fail

I wish we saw him having a personality shift though

[visual merlin]

Not sure how people think luffy and zoro just casually sensed multiple souls pre timeskip but the blackbeard thing may simply be an inconsistency anyway

he's back to broken teeth in 903

[lunar shell]

Animal instinct

[visual merlin]

that does not explain anything

[lunar shell]

only everything

An animal's instincts is the ability to know without thinking, the capability to automatically know how to behave or respond in certain circumstances. This "knowing" ability occurs naturally or instinctively to an animal, and is inherited from birth.

[visual merlin]

there's no animal instinct that would tell either of them that Blackbeard has multiple souls and for them to just casually state that as if its normal and as if its normal for them to be able to interpret that

Let alone them being the only people to point this out

no animal instinct is supporting this lol

[lunar shell]

You are wrong. Animal instinct can tell you if you are facing a being of multiple personality, and such, of multiple aura

[visual merlin]

where are you getting this from

[lunar shell]

Like all animals, humans have instincts, genetically hard-wired behaviors that enhance our ability to cope with vital environmental contingencies.

[visual merlin]

Dude, animal instinct is not the sort of thing that would explain luffy and zoro pre timeskip being the two specific humans to magically know that he has multiple souls, and for them to act as if thats normal, and as if its normal that they know that

If I could become a super genius using animal instinct that'd be great but it doesn't really work that way

[lunar shell]

hum

When someone is trying to kill you and know know his intention is to kill you

[visual merlin]

bro

[lunar shell]

How do you call that

[visual merlin]

I am going to stop you there

Somebody attacking me, and me inferring they want to kill me

is nothing like luffy and zoro magically knowing BB has multiple souls and acted as if its normal

[lunar shell]

You know what I mean ? In the manga they are line like ' he has a strong kill intent '

[visual merlin]

No, I do not know what you mean because this has literally nothing in common with the Blackbeard example

[lunar shell]

humm

Forget about blackbeard and explain to me how can Someone know if someone else has a " strong kill intent "

[visual merlin]

By seeing them mad and or using context of the situation

This is completely separate from the BB topic, and Im not going to get into an entire side argument over killing intent when there's 0 correlation here

[lunar shell]

What if said person is not mad or not having any context behind him, he is just sitting on a chair smiling

despite that one if able to feel ' a strong kill intent '

[visual merlin]

Then there probably wouldn't be anyone saying that person has killing intent

[lunar shell]

Ok then you dont see what I'm talking about. I'll say something else. Do you remember how Lucci singled out Lucci as his target, for no appearing reason ?

[visual merlin]

no?

[lunar shell]

Nami was confused at first, but someone told her it was ' animal instinct ' maybe sanji did

[visual merlin]

Gotama

none of these have anything to do with the actual topic

no amount of "x character said killing intent/animal instinct" will explain that situation

[lunar shell]

It does, but you having such little knowledge about the argument I'm giving you regarding the topic have us stretch this far

[visual merlin]

There's no way for luffy and zoro specifically to know that BB had multiple souls based on their brief interactions, nor way to explain why it was normal to them

[lunar shell]

But if you knew about the foundation of my reasoning, you would understand how easily understandable Luffy and Zoro knowing Teach was not just one entity is

[visual merlin]

Your foundation is "some guys think other people have killing intent"

and "animal instinct lets you know stuff sometimes"

[lunar shell]

Any third person than join this topic would say I'm right u know

[visual merlin]

What about either of these explains why someone having multiple souls would be normal to luffy and zoro?

[visual merlin]

wow what a great argument

[lunar shell]

a simple fact

[visual merlin]

anyway, the question

Im curious what your explanation is there

[lunar shell]

Yes, I dont see anything wrong with their posture, they face a two, three faced guys. Maybe it inspired Zoro 😉

[visual merlin]

what

well, whatever that is

can you answer the question now?

[lunar shell]

It would be normal to Luffy and Zoro cuz those instinct thing are serious, its not about reasoning, is about accepting new reality fast enough to see it as it is. They dont need to be surprised anymore

[visual merlin]

gotama

you realize luffy and zoro and others get surprised all the time

[lunar shell]

If you see a red tree, and then forgot you had glasses and when u remove them u see the tree is blue, you are not surprised

[visual merlin]

yes

I am surprised

because my glasses don't fucking change colors

and trees also aren't blue

[lunar shell]

I do but you dont get it, I said ' when it comes to those instinct thing '

[visual merlin]

no

that idea makes 0 sense

[visual merlin]

Them figuring out he has multiple souls doesn't mean they would not be surprised

[lunar shell]

You dont look surprised at my blue tree ? Why ?

[visual merlin]

Because its not real and you just mentioned a blue tree

For your sake, I'd stop with this point if I were you

Because Im not going to buy that this is serious anymore

[lunar shell]

You accept this new reality as a fact before having reaching any surprised feeling. That how it goes here, and that how it goes when it comes to instinct, you are surprised when your brain is struggling with a new acceptation

[visual merlin]

This isn't the place for shitposting

[dark palm]

lmfao

I can't stop laughing at this argument

[primal cargo]

Same
I do agree that Luffy & Zoro's behaviour in that scene was odd and probably setup for a future reveal though, just to settle the "any third person" point

[lunar shell]

Y, its obv.

I think he is not used to manga char behaviour that's all

[primal cargo]

I was disagreeing with you but ok
I'm not getting sucked into that lmao

[lunar shell]

No I know you tried to disagreeing with me but you are following my point not his

He is saying Luffy can't sense that Blackbeard are multiple. You are saying he can.

[visual merlin]

what

okay dude

this conversation flopped when you told me I wouldn't be surprised by seeing a red tree then taking off my glasses and seeing a blue one

this is no longer serious

[undone marten]

It is possible to sense that he has multiple souls but I don’t think luffy and zoro can

[visual merlin]

Just move on to the next discussion at this point

[lunar shell]

" after realising you had glass "

[visual merlin]

move on to the next discussion

[lunar shell]

If you see something yellow and then realise it was cuz you had glass, you wont be surprised to see the same thing in a other color when you then remove the glass

[undone marten]

💀💀💀💀

[visual merlin]

great, now you can move to a different topic

[undone marten]

I don’t know why you are so into that topic

[lunar shell]

its interesting

[sinful helm]

i always thought he meant the doctor the sniper and the wrestler on bb's crew then them knowing about his other personalities or anything else

[lunar shell]

it was always ambiguous

[pure raven]

What happened here

[little kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/nothing-happened-zoro-zoro-badass-one-piece-gif-21099082

[lunar shell]

One doesnt understand that a manga character knows things on instinct sometimes. One tried to explain using different means.

[pure raven]

ah

[lunar shell]

One failed.

[strong ibex]

I got warned last time by the mods multiple times and they are taking about trees. Wut lol

[pure raven]

I saw something on BB and instinct so I guess it's about the chapter with luffy and zoro saying they

[lunar shell]

yes

[pure raven]

hm

well I always thought it's just that they assumed he wasn't alone since he is a pirate, but I'm sure oda using this to actually show off that bb has multiple personalities could be

[lunar shell]

Yes but your first idea would be the odd one actually.

Like I said earlier, why would Luffy and Zoro know this instead of the smart Nami, and why would she be surprised about the fact.

This scenery that I read with the official translation actually suggest Luffy and Zoro, using their instinct, sense that Blackbeard is not just one being, but multiple

[pure raven]

^

Luffy isn't someone who comes to such conclusions

[pine hemlock]

😭

[lunar shell]

Oh you are wrong, when it comes to fighting instinct, Luffy is very serious.

[pure raven]

Wasn't a fight tho?

[lunar shell]

No, but the sense he has that are necessary for fight, such as reflex, allow him to have a better perception and empathy to world around him

[pure raven]

I think Zoro and Luffy did sense something weird, probably multiple bodies inside him

[lunar shell]

That is why in manga, the fighter always have an ' animal instinct ', sensing danger before it comes, sensing aura,

Well Oda went further have those that master this sense called Observation haki user

but the root of it is common, even in reality

[pure raven]

Imma find the chapter real quick

[lunar shell]

While you're at it, find the chapter where nami ask how Luffy knew Lucci was the strongest, and she get this answer from I think Sanji : Its animal instinct

Or the one when he looks at Jinbei and sense he is a good guy.

Or like any other, from any manga, that prove my point 😉

[pure raven]

I'm agreeing with you all the time, I don't know why you want to prove me something🗿

[lunar shell]

It is not about proving something to you, but to the one not getting it.

Also it wasn't to take at face value, it was a manner of speaking saying: There are multiple examples of it.

[cosmic bear]

https://preview.redd.it/qki451dqp2m81.jpg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=419f00b4deba6eecd33eaff17a54405e1a957142

[pure raven]

Oda turns the tables with Joyboy flashback in 1044?

[compact jewel]

you live in Narnia. Oda is not going to give Joyboy info so early. Before that, it goes, kaido, big mom, zoro, whatever wants zunesha to say... end of wano...

we are just going to see Luffys new power and you can thank Oda.

[snow oracle]

taken from twitter

[compact jewel]

If you look at the top it says "by pringles". And @weak finch is a guy in this discord and reddit community obsesed with the resin theory. Credits to him.

[snow oracle]

oh i just found it on twitter thankyou for that didnt know the op

[compact jewel]

ask him to explain it and prepare for torment.

[snow oracle]

how long will he go on for?

[compact jewel]

only Goda knows..

[snow oracle]

lmao

[golden moon]

10 in Japanese is Juu no Ju isnt it? and 4(Shi) can mean child or (44) shishi can mean lion

[pure raven]

Lion child

[snow oracle]

idek i just found it on twitter. but Jushi is translated to resin and Jushini is translated to resin body

lions are also associated with the sun

[golden moon]

or the shishi kagura dance

to celebrate the lion guardian spirit which holds the ancient buddhist spherical orb called the Tama

but thats most likely to reference the dog that protects Tama in the series idk

[snow oracle]

oooh sounds cool i like that theory

[golden moon]

cause its designed as the lion guardian/ fuu dog

[snow oracle]

guess we will find out next week hopefully

[compact jewel]

and sun - lion is literally the sunny

the face of the ship I mean

[cosmic oyster]

Wano people are pretty much slaves,my theory is that they are gonna use Noah to transport the people in Wano if something happens to that Island.

[slim mountain]

This is more relevant than ever?

[dark palm]

luffy is the new sun yeah

there'll definitely be some symbolism there

[patent matrix]

Juba

[dark palm]

wtf

who are you

you're not allowed here

[patent matrix]

[proper topaz]

Thoughts on what will happen for the new chapter?

[waxen light]

This channel is more for posting your own theories in long form. You can ask that question in either of the manga channels.

[proper topaz]

Ah okay, thanks. I wasn't sure if it was right to ask here.

[waxen light]

Np

[proud tree]

Kizaru is the sun? Because he has the light fruit?

Why should Luffys fruit be Sun God Niaks fruit? It would be much more fitting if the sun god had a) no fruit, or b) the light fruit now owned by Kizaru

[slim mountain]

This was talking about Ace at the time. I'm just saying Luffy represents the sun by symbolism.

[proud tree]

yeah ace had the fire fire fruit. That fits the sun symbolism, because the sun is hot and bright. What is the sun symbolism for Luffy beside his ship being called 1000 sunny?

[patent matrix]

He'll bring the Dawn or some shit💯

[proud tree]

And how is the sun symbolism not stronger with Kizaru who is literally a light source like the sun.

[proud tree]

yeah that has been said since chapter 200 or so, by Vivi

[slim mountain]

There's a lot of analysis/theory about this already that I've read and I don't want to just try and come up with it all now because I won't present it properly

[proud tree]

so it is ok imo, because you can see how long it has been planned, but it would also be nice to explain why Kizarus character is not fit to bring the dawn, or how he got the fruit unjustly by the World Government, or something.

Or how the character is more important then the devilfruit

[upbeat crane]

He isn’t a light source, he is the light

photon photon no mi ez pz

[lean stream]

i thought of smth about why the D. ppl smile when they are gonna die . I haven't thought my theory that much but if u rotate the D u can see a smile. Example = :DDD

[rough violet]

the world is foked up the time is near for its end then bye

[rough violet]

yes roger and cora san died smiling like that but i think theres something more to it :D

[lean stream]

ye ik and i haven't think it thoroughly yet

[lean stream]

and i think yk there more ppl who died with a smile other than roger and cora san :DDD

[rough violet]

basically every character that died who were in the backstories like dr hiruluk or the present like ace

oden too died smiling

[tepid coral]

!theories

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using #manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description.

[lean stream]

ye there are more like saul

[tepid coral]

Pl refer to this message and move on this convo to #manga

[rough violet]

discussing the theory of D

[cyan berry]

Read the command

Conversations like this can happen in the manga channels

This channel is ONLY for discussion about well thought out theories, not one line long messages

[lean stream]

so do we need to discuss the D theory elsewhere or no?

im new here so idk where to talk abt this theory

[cyan berry]

If you're gonna keep doing it in one line long messages then yes

[pure raven]

Yes

[lean stream]

i dont understand ;-;

[rough violet]

the D can mean devil as they are called the sworn enemy of gods
idk what more to write so its was 1 line only

[lean stream]

or the D could mean Dawn bcoz of many ways like toki's last words

[tepid coral]

As youss said , conversation like these can take place in #manga as this channel is only for lengthy theories discussions

[lean stream]

ok

[warm saffron]

What if teech starts a war with shanks
In marineford, he stated that he and his crew weren’t ready to fight shanks, but it’s been 3 years, Blackbeard is a yonko, he has had enough time to learn how to use the gura gura

[tepid coral]

@gloomy dirgeRead the channel description please, those questions should be asked in #manga or #also-manga

[gloomy dirge]

Ah

My apologies.

[slender fulcrum]

Its possible that Kozuki are from the D clan

[faint crater]

im still confused how can black beard have 2 devil fruit powers

[slim moat]

I am talking back all my theories about new devil fruit name and joy boy. We are all over thinking it. It's just plain ruber awakening. The joy boy thing is not definitive thing. Luffy will be called Joyboy same as Shirahoshi is called Poseidon. I doubt he will get any joyboy memories and stuff.

[warm saffron]

Because he can
He has a different body compared to the normal people, which allows him to have 2 devil fruits

[faint crater]

thats a thing?

[warm saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-blackbeard-anime-black-hands-gif-6048848

Yep, it’s a thing

[faint crater]

can luffy have two

[warm saffron]

Dunno, luffy hasn’t tried something like that

[tepid coral]

!theories

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using #manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description.

[tepid coral]

Please we have #manga and #also-manga for a casual convo like this, this channel is only for lengthy discussions

[fresh needle]

Yo. With the spoilers coming tomorrow or the next day or not at all, I'd like to point out a few things that 1043 makes possible.

Luffy having a different devil fruit. Some key things that a lot of people missed however are:

1. Luffy gets stronger, hotter, and faster the longer he fights and uses his df for compression and expansion.

2. Luffy is not a zoan. Ffs please let this go.

3. If it can't light on fire, it's probably not luffys fruit. (Sun God Nika)

Alright next point
Xebec looks like he ate luffys fruit last. This leads me to believe xebec wanted to be joyboy. He knew way too much about JB and was doing shit like freeing slaves, attacking the government and even wanted to die to awaken the fruit. For whatever reason though, when he died, he died for sure.

Zunesha had a huge part in the Joyboy experience 800 years ago. I'm guessing JB didn't have a crew like luffy does but him and Zunesha would go around the world and help people become free with JBs DF power that somehow lights everything on fire. Zunesha would put the fires out and carry all the runaway slaves away on his back. The presence of Zunesha is actually the main reason the gorosei are trying to kill luffy. They didn't think his fruit was a huge threat due to rocks proving recently that the DF is impossible to awaken.

I believe this is because in order to awaken Luffys DF, you cant know the name of it or its special power. Ironically, had the government made everyone know the story of JB, they could have prevented the fruit from ever being awakened again. Que laughter.

[warm saffron]

Understandable
Why do some poeple even think that luffy’s fruit is secretly spam anyway? That doesn’t make any sense

[fresh needle]

Yeah I think it is definitely a logia in solid state form that has to be worked like clay or rubber until it heats up enough to become liquid form

This would explain why kaido couldn't tell where luffys punches were coming from, he was manifesting them as he got very near a liquid awakening

[glass comet]

some people in this server doesnt know the types of devil fruit lol

[fresh needle]

It seems the sun wukong fruit is very popular. It just doesn't make sense to me

[glass comet]

Yeah how tf can he stretch like rubber and immune to electricity lol

[peak swift]

Enjoy the show, it's simple

[swift flume]

Rob lucci says once you gain the DFs power you learn the name so luffy having a different devil fruit doesn’t fit anyways right?

[fresh needle]

He has always been a logia with weird levels of control over his body. But because he is a solid state, he seems to be stretching but really he is using his logia powers

[fresh needle]

Nah, this has been confirmed to be untrue

[glass comet]

Logia?! luffy?

[swift flume]

Ahhh okay thanks!

[fresh needle]

Because he has shown absolutely zero signs of a real zoan transform and I can't imagine luffy didn't realize he could transform into an animal. You're right, I don't like it. Lol

[sinful wedge]

I think it's highly possible that he'll be a mythical zoan even though I wouldn't like that

[glass comet]

I don't think this sun wukong and zoan type devil fruit has solid ground

[compact grail]

Nah the fruit is diffirrent and not eaten yet, so the the wg can manipulate its real name, and for the wg , that fruit is legendary existence either that fruit did not appear in the series .

[fresh needle]

Another reason I'm completely against this is how OP it is. I prefer luffy having a fruit that is decent strong but almost impossible to awaken but once a awakened, it is op af. A mythical zoan takes all the hard work matters stuff away

[sinful wedge]

It's not confirmed anywhere that it hasn't been eaten yet

[glass comet]

it's paramecia fs

[fresh needle]

I think it is possible the gomu gomu is just a logia instead of a paramecia but they definitely changed its name so who knows. I like resin and all but personally... I'm thinking balloon balloon fruit which would be paramecia

[sinful wedge]

What if this specific mythical zoan is based on the in canon legend of Nika? Doesn't have to be someone from actual mythology

[fresh needle]

His awakening combines melted balloons and helium for a ridiculous blazing flame

[glass comet]

luffy doesnt show power of logia tho since if you shot a bullet on logia it would just pass through and logia is mostly natural elements like gas

[sinful wedge]

The resin/tree sap shouldn't warrant the kind of reaction it does from the elders

[compact grail]

But how they can manipulate its real name around the world if its not Eaten because once a user eat that fruit they will know its name, i

[fresh needle]

All logias are in a form beyond solid matter from what we have seen. Luffy would be the only one that starts in solid state. It is considered the worst logia but on the other hand, it is also the only logia that can go all the way from solid state to plasma state with awakening

[warm saffron]

That’s already been discussed up in the conversation, and it was stated to be lie
When someone eats a devil fruit, they don’t immediately know the name

[glass comet]

So resin as logia? i dont think so

it's like 2 layers of theory

[warm saffron]

Also, when luffy ate the fruit, he was told by shanks what it was named, he didn’t figure it out himself, maybe his subconscious didn’t want to reveal it until kaido knocked him down with his hardest hit

[sinful wedge]

How is anything resin remotely threatening enough for the WG to shit their pants?

When the likes of darkness , light and magma exist?

[compact grail]

Maybe depends if the previous user of that fruit is well known.

[fresh needle]

It is what makes sense. But everyone is missing the biggest point about luffys fruit. He gets stronger, faster, and HOTTER throughout every fight. Oda, using his masterclass genius, tricked all into thinking will power was the determining factor in the Kata luffy fight but really, luffy started off way behind in stats but as the fight went on, luffy got stronger faster and hotter to the point he could use culverin. This was the deciding factor in the fight but we never noticed. We argued powerscaling and will power and bull shit for years and this whole time we completely missed the point

[warm saffron]

That’ll be awful
Luffy as a zoan would be awful

[fresh needle]

Luffys fruit heats up

[sinful wedge]

Next week will be awful then I guess

[warm saffron]

Next week?
Why next week?
There’s a chapter coming out this week

[fresh needle]

He has the greatest fighting fruit in the whole world.

[sinful wedge]

Ah yeah I'm sorry, we're just a bit early into it which is why I used next lol

[glass comet]

well

[compact grail]

After the hype of the prev chapter for sure the nxt panel will not on luffy or diffirent scene

[glass comet]

A recap on what happened in the wano war 😂

[warm saffron]

Maybe it will be looking at kaido fighting everyone in the lower levels, and then in the last panel, luffy punches kaido back up to the roof top

[tepid coral]

!theories

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using #manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description.

[tepid coral]

Pl move on this convo to #manga or #also-manga , only lengthy serious disucssions here

Pls refer to above message , if u have a full detailed theory with evidences and panels to support ur argument then ur most welcome to share your theory here in this channel

[mellow sapphire]

Sun Wukong fruit theory is genuinely stupid

I get that "he could shapeshift", but why rubber? Why not default to, you know, a monky

[coral siren]

Do you guys think yamato would join the straw hats after wano?

[slender fulcrum]

Luffy is Like Goku. He already got all the aspect of the monkey king, even the name " Monkey " he is already a personification of Sun Wukong from the start. He doesn't need a " Monkey " fruit. Its the same as Dragon having a Dragon fruit theory....

[coral siren]

I think that luffy has the Resin Resin Fruit, which explains why his face was liquidy. The world government may have believed it was the Rubber Rubber Fruit but it was actually the Resin Resin Fruit to which I think only Joyboy knows of.

[warm saffron]

Yes
Ace made a promise, and luffy is there to honour it

[slender fulcrum]

I'm on that board, Resin or " Amber " fruit. I can also fathom a human human Zoan* legendary model Nika or whatever

[coral siren]

So luffy won't just decline Yamato's invitation to join the straw hats?

[coral siren]

I don't think a zoan would be active forever. Luffy's body has always been rubber even if he was asleep or maybe even semi-dead like when Kaido knocked him out and he used conquerors haki.

[lapis panther]

Yeah, I get it if it was the other way around. Like if Shanks had told Luffy that it is the gomu gomu and Luffy had then defaulted to rubber. Also, why would resin be so much stronger than rubber? IMO resin is fundamentally different and isn‘t even elastic.

[slender fulcrum]

Look at Chopper^^ If its a human model it wont change a damn thing for luffy except having the power of this " human model "

[warm saffron]

Doubt it
Ace made a promise to two people in wano, Yamato and Tama

[coral siren]

Chopper is a Reindeer and the Hito Hito no Mi affects his everyday life which turns him into a Human actively.

[coral siren]

The thing is, we don't know if the Nika Nika model belongs to the Hito Hito no Mi. I'd say it's more like a new fruit like the "God God Fruit"

[solar raptor]

made a theory video

[glass comet]

they said it could be as hard as diamond idk if its true tho

[sturdy hound]

You can put it in #promote-yourself and make sure to spoiler tag it and mention “one piece manga” outside the spoiler tags

[glass comet]

maybe not diamond but it is really tough material like its indestructible

[pure raven]

i think sawcon will play an imp part in the end

one of if not the most important factors in taking down WG imho

[cinder void]

Laugh Tale is inside Reverse Mountain and here's why:
So my starting thought for that theory was that Laugh Tale is an exceptional place thus it have to be somewhere exceptional.
The Strawhats already went in the sky, deep under water, inside a whale, in a multitude of differents islands: cold/dry/jungle/Venice-like... So there were 2 possibilities remaining I could think of for an exceptional place: space or inside a grotto

Then I look at what we know about Laugh Tale:
-Crocus tells us "it's the last island of the Grand Line"
And Reverse Mountain is both at the beginning and the end of Grand Line

Another converging thought that I have is that the Strawhats have dreams, and for two of them it may be related to reverse mountain: Sanji wants to find All blue (the 4 sea connects at reverse mountain and may flow under it), and ofc Brook wants to reunite with Laboon (and it would be cool if he was to do it with all the crew)

[quaint laurel]

dawn island top right

[tulip sorrel]

Most popular theory is its under enies lobby

[cinder void]

yeah I know, and I think it's a bad theory. I think Enies is just Seine reverted (the river of Paris), and nothing to do with Denies.

[tulip sorrel]

The "denies" one sounds far fetched yeah

[cinder void]

yeah, the other part of the theory might be valid though. It's just the Enies Lobby part that comes from nowhere.
I think Skull islands might be the 4 islands which indicate Laugh Tale. So yeah all of the 1st part about Jaya might be valid

[tulip sorrel]

To be honest i'd like to see something like that scene we saw on pirates of the Caribbean where they turned the ship upside down

I mean they need to do something crazy to go there, just like skypia and fishman island

[cinder void]

yes exactly

[craggy oak]

I saw this somewhere and I forgot but thought I'd share it.

Chap. 1043 has a hidden detail
if u remove the 3 it becomes 104
10 (ju in jap.)
4 (shi in jap.)
if u put it together it becomes
Jushi
Jushi meaning resin

[cinder void]

yeah Yuderon said that, we'll see. only a few more days for the resin theory

[arctic warren]

I just spent the last 3 hours listening to ohara on youtube - I don't know what to believe anymore

[compact raptor]

But why remove the 3

What has the number 3 ever done to you?

[terse fog]

I have never really liked his theories a lot of them are just kinda out landish and make no sense because they only have one reasoning that ain't really relavent and then assumes too much

[arctic warren]

I admit he strings up a few things quite fast that 'sounds' plausible, but doesn't really have much evidence to back it

But Laugh Tale being part of Jaya that was chomped by an island whale is quite ... interesting

[copper falcon]

abit far fetched, surely if he was planning this from the beginning then thered be a clue in chapter 104 aswell?

[terse fog]

I don't think it is plausible because if it was that chunk of land the world government would block access or at least put it under control because if it was would no doubt have some sort of ancient runes or historical artifacts there. There are some other reasonings why I think that it is not are hard to explain

[queen pollen]

I HAVE A BLACKBEARD THEROY :
So how it goes is, we already are speculating on that devil fruits inter twine with souls,
and that BlackBeard has three, so what if he had two when him and zebec with the yami-yami no mi
and the got his third from whitebeard when he ate his fruit,
and now that he as morias fruit he can steal devil fruits and
capture there shadows for a big wore and use there corps as an army,
and what if he does try to dig up white beard he has his fruit / maybe his soul to put into his body

war

[fathom matrix]

I had a theory that I discusse with people last night

How would you feel if during the god vally incident, after Garp and Roger defeated Rocks, Garp let Roger go and get off the island, but the celestial dragons came over afterwards.

Garp didn't like them overall, but it was after god vally, where they wanted to congratulate garp, but they saw the battlefield was bloody and went "Ew, commoner blood all over the ground. Be a deary and have me walks on the clean soldier's backs"

And Garp is appalled, seeing how after him and his conrads put their lives on the line, a lot of died and some too injured to stand, that the celestial dragons treat them like dirt. And then the CD wipes their hands and says "it should be the greatest honour in the world shaking my hand, you earned it"

Garp would have no choice, because he knows CDs won't care if you saved them or not, not obeying a request would be a death sentence or worse.

And from that day, he already hated them for being scumbags, but to completely disregard the efforts and sacrifices of those soldiers, was what really made garp not want to be an admiral/

Oh....OH ok.

That's actually an interesting idea

[pure raven]

Rubber fruit could actually be resin

[verbal fossil]

Condensed

[fathom matrix]

IT WOOOOOOOOOOOLD fit the naming scheme

Resin in Japanese means Jushi

So it would have originally been the Jushi Jushi No Mi

[pure raven]

Theory: what if the government catches sabo and an episode similar to ace’s episode

[umbral swallow]

https://youtu.be/euDhIa55UvU

he explains fruit could be resin

[pure raven]

And the episode would be called “EPISODE ???? WILL LUFFY MAKE IN TIME FOR A 2ND CHANCE!?!?”

It actually is logia to blunt attacks

[manic niche]

That would suck
Makes things repetitive imo

[umbral swallow]

Nah but it could be special paramecia

[rose sundial]

thoery:

Luffy melts cuz kaido is too hot to handle and rubber melting causes kaido lung cancer and throws up

END OF WANO

(:

[umbral swallow]

He owned the one piece at some point

[rose sundial]

he ws the owner ig

hmm its possible luffy forgets everything tht hppnd

its like he was unconsious or maybe joyboy doesnt take over its just luffy gets his powers

[umbral swallow]

I doubt joyboy being a person or a spirit it probably could be some sort of title

[rose sundial]

nvm he said nika so thts not the case

[rose sundial]

in my opinion joyboy gav himself tht title and then he was called joyboy then later 800yrs laterthe joyboy became inherited will of the real name of joyboy

nah thts just luffys personality imo

but luffy dying will ruin the show

[pure raven]

lmao

[cinder void]

Yeah he did die, everybody says his "voice" has vanished
And then ressurected as Joyboy, that only Zunesha recognizes

[rose sundial]

im pretty sure luffy wont acept joyboy

[cinder void]

well, it's not about accepting or rejecting, he is Joyboy

[umbral swallow]

Joyboy isnt a person

Luffy himself is joyboy it could be some sort of D thing

[weak lava]

Isn’t joy boy a title?

[cinder void]

I think it's the same as Poseidon for Shiraoshi

[slender fulcrum]

JoyBoy is a title, the one " who bring the dawn " hence SUN KING

[weak lava]

You don’t need to accept a title for it to bestowed upon you.

[umbral swallow]

Nah it could be simple “ joy boy” the boy with joy

We know how joyful luffy is

Nope

[weak lava]

No he died remember

[umbral swallow]

He even wished to live in the same era as joyboy

[weak lava]

Plus he didn’t really bring all that much joy to the world

[slender fulcrum]

he did.. " Laugh Tales " still exist and made everyone laugh

[weak lava]

It was always hinted at

[tulip sorrel]

Its not reincarnation, joyboy is just a title

If Luffy won't control himself and it's joyboy who died 800 years ago it would be stupid

[cinder void]

Well Zunesha recognizes Joyboy at the exact moment Luffy dies and resurrect so...

and "the drum of liberation", the sound of the heartbeat liberating what? Joyboy?

yes that's what Zunesha says

[tulip sorrel]

Maybe the awakening makes the user into a form which was identical to Joyboy. Maybe joyboy had awaken the devil fruit all the time and he was like that, for example if Luffy was in gear 4 permanently thats what i mean

[tulip sorrel]

OR there is a soul living in every devil fruit and joyboy happens to live in luffy's fruit

[pure raven]

I saw this theory a couple of days ago, glad to see it get attention

[sinful wedge]

Everyone is going to be wrong either way

[cinder void]

as always

[tulip sorrel]

Anyways, some "leakers" say that sanji have a great scene in 1044 so i cant wait to see if this is true or fake

[cinder void]

yeah I think I heard some youtuber talking about a book, but I don't remember exactly.
But I also think I remember the kanji used in the pictures are the same used in skypiea end party when they were dancing to the drums

[tulip sorrel]

The drums are luffy's heartbeats btw

[cinder void]

yeah maybe

[zealous grail]

I like this guy's explanation for if Luffy ends up being a Resin type fruit:

[cinder void]

death was to busy making a pact with Zoro

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using #manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description.

[tepid coral]

@mortal spirePlease stop talking about spoilers here

[mortal spire]

Ok

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using #manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description.

[fathom matrix]

Joyboy in african mythology would go around beating a drum to spread joy, and if Nikka is Joyboy, the free-er of slaves.

The Joyboy's drum beat is the beat of liberation and freedom. Freedom for those whoa slaves, freedom for those in jail, freedom for those with unhealth ties.

PLUS, if you think about it, in almost every arc, Luffy is always unintionally freeing people.

He freed people's sladows, he freed the people of Dressrosa and Alabasta, he freed robin from the WG, freed the impeldown prisoners (that's a bad one, but still), freed ace and though ace died, Ace was free from the torture and subjegation of being Roger's son.

[umbral swallow]

He even freed nami

[fathom matrix]

ESPECIALLY THAT

Luffy, like Joyboy, has always freed people

[umbral swallow]

And jinbei in some way

[prime bluff]

Mermaid princess is also a reincarnated with the same power
So is luffy
Nothing will change about luffy except he will just gain a powerup

[prime bluff]

On which website or platform did you hear that?

[umbral swallow]

Mermaid princess is said to be a weapon

[prime bluff]

Drums as in luffy is in party mood

[prime bluff]

Yes but she is a weapon too
But she is just same person with a powerup

[fathom matrix]

Do you think the final battle will be the longest and biggest in all of one piece?

I know that's a no brainer, but I'm talking CHAPTER LENGTH.

Like, on average, how many pages do you think the final battle's gonna be?

[hard arrow]

i think the drums of liberation was played everytime luffy was about to defeat an oppressor ( alabasta , skypeia , dressrosa etc ) but there was just no people to hear it !

[grim pine]

tf

[grim pine]

final battle of wano?

[vast sand]

similar to marineford?

[vast sand]

or maybe prolly more

[grim pine]

im not saying anything on that
but the length of chapter will be the same

[idle dew]

Usopp will die in Elbaf in a great war where he becomes a brave warrior of the sea

[grim pine]

yes
he is gonna die..but idk wherez

[idle dew]

Luffys bounty after wano will be 4.1B which is just above Shanks by a hair, and that's how he becomes a great pirate and why he gives him his hat next arc in Elbaf

[lunar shell]

Luffy will ' die ' , but ussop wont

[grim pine]

awesome man

[grim pine]

naaah
luffy wont die lol
atleast not very soon or in elbaf

[lunar shell]

Luffy without an adventure can't exist, can't be, Oda will have him dying for sure

[idle dew]

Luffy will die at the end of the series and Zoro will disband the strawhats

[neat schooner]

man where do you read leaks

[grim pine]

yes i think he will die at the end

[lunar shell]

Oh yes I mean in the very end. Ussop and any other mugiwara wont die

[idle dew]

Oda told me

[grim pine]

bro you can read it on reddit
it will be out on wednesday maybe

[idle dew]

😔

[neat schooner]

ha

[grim pine]

aap toh indian nikle hahah

[neat schooner]

yup

[grim pine]

can anyone tell me how to disable the slowmode lmaooo

[idle dew]

You can't

[neat schooner]

hmm

[grim pine]

how can y'all talking then?

[amber oar]

this is not the channel for casual chat

[grim pine]

ohhh i seee cool

[amber oar]

jesus people read the channel names and descriptions

[sharp anvil]

He did just agree with you and understand I'm pretty sure

[grim pine]

can anyone explain the 3 blackbeard theory to me?
i never got it-

[sharp anvil]

The cerberus one?

[grim pine]

yesss

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-blackbeard-anime-black-hands-gif-6048848

[lunar shell]

Easy.

Xebec had three childrens, he fused them together, that give you Teach

[grim pine]

wot da fa-

[lunar shell]

Now the dude have three times the organs of an human, three times the muscles

He wont sleep cuz he switch his brain every 8 hours

This allow him to take up to three fruits.

[grim pine]

😳

[lunar shell]

Sad thing is that her two sister died in the process obv.

[grim pine]

he has 2rn right?

[lunar shell]

dat right, he will obtain a third

[grim pine]

ohhhhhhh

[tepid coral]

!theories

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using #manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description.

[lunar shell]

Probably a zoan, so it doesnt interfere with the already most revelant other two

[fallow parcel]

Can we talk about the newest chapter in here?

[tepid coral]

Pl move on the convo to #manga

[lunar shell]

I'm actually very serious here.

[tepid coral]

Not about being serious or not, the purpose of the channel is for lengthy discussions : )

[lunar shell]

I understand I'll refrain from doing otherwise from now on

[fallow parcel]

Y’all thoughts on luffy having a resin fruit theory?

[tepid coral]

As I said above

Pl move on to #manga

[sharp anvil]

It comes from these panels. The one with Luffy and Zoro though I believe they were talking about his crew though. There is also Shanks scar.

I think he is just built different

[terse fog]

I wonder if there is a bad teach and a good teach, or something like that, and that also could explain why he never falls asleep, I think part of this could be because he had a lonely child hood he might of devopled split personalities and maybe somehow they can communtaice so he wasn't so lonely but I am kind of jumping to the gun here but whatever after all it is only a theory/guess/idea

[sharp anvil]

That's actually what I think. I think that's how he was able to get around Shanks haki and slash him as well. To me though he seems like he is way more knowledgeable (like is living a second lifespan) than everyone else. He seems to have alot of wisdom.

[vivid yarrow]

or maybe he is suffering from a personality disorder

[terse fog]

Also it could be a possesion

[sharp anvil]

I don't think he is three. I think he is two based on the sleep thing. He is also crying at night which makes me think that's when the good teech is around.

[terse fog]

But I don't think he could have 2 devil fruits that way then

[vivid yarrow]

yeah ur right,something bigger going on there.

[cyan sand]

"this grog taste awful good"??!! I thought he said it tasted bad earlier

[sharp anvil]

Solid chance imo he has a seriously large amount of information about rocks or rocks is a part of him

[terse fog]

Wait hold the phone, what?!?!??!

[sharp anvil]

That's actually awesome if he did I never caught that lol

[cyan sand]

yeah i cant believe i never got that, just a direct hint right there since I recall he liked the pie

[terse fog]

And did not like the drink

[cyan sand]

he definitely ordered pies to go so yeah another piece of evidence there

going to sleep now but nice catch

[terse fog]

Also I feel like it is kinda weird that he was kind of nice to luffy despite what he was planning

[vivid yarrow]

wonder what he is planning right now with everything going on in the OP world.

[sharp anvil]

Ok I'm loving this https://youtu.be/S0pCAGTS-7E

[terse fog]

It is kinda annyoing that we never get context from news papers

[vivid yarrow]

true true

[terse fog]

Anyway I am going to get off here and play some minecraft so cya

[vivid yarrow]

So many mysterys

[sharp anvil]

Since he ordered and took the pies I don't think he actually didn't like the grog lol

[terse fog]

Mysteries indeed

[pure raven]

sup ?

[cerulean hull]

i watched some clips on bb vs luffy in impel..and i notice bb df also same in haki that can hit and hurt df user whenever bb df touch the df user..

[sharp anvil]

I think blackbeard is planning to do whatever the hell Rocks did in God's Valley

[vivid yarrow]

maybe,could be something even bigger than that to

[sharp anvil]

We don't know how big it was Rocks didn't succeed

[vivid yarrow]

something “we“ wouldn’t expect

[sharp anvil]

My headcanon makes me think he wants to push Imu off the empty throne and the only way to do that is to become like him. The events of God's valley were the closest anyone was to achieving that state.

But then that means he knows about Imu lol. I'd think Shanks does.

[vivid yarrow]

oh..i taught he was Trying to or is Allied/Allies with Imu/Im

[sharp anvil]

Afaik I don't think it's been proven that anyone outside of the gorosei know

[pure raven]

The God Valley incident happened 38 years ago. If blackbeard is anything even close to thirty then he's 68. It's not possible for someone who's 68 to even beat shanks and deal with ace without a scratch.

[vivid yarrow]

“joy boy has returned“ loved that

[sharp anvil]

I'm confused sorry. Are you talking about them fighting before and how he doesn't have scars?

[pure raven]

Yes.

[lunar shell]

This probably caused Shanks scare.

Teach is heavily linked to the number 3, look at this flag for exemple.

The way teach eat two fruit as mentioned is link to his anormal body because Marco said so, if he is a cerberus, or inspired from a cerberus, maybe some obscure race like lunarian, it would explain it.

One of the three head of a cerberus is always awake, that would explain how teach is always awake. If he has more organs than the regular humans, that would explain what Marco said and why he think this allow him to eat multiple fruit.

Lot of strong character are linked to an animal.

Also I believe Xebec is responsible for this. Maybe he attempted to create a Cerberus like Vegapunk made a Dragon. Maybe he used a fruit for it.

[sharp anvil]

I think they were friends all the way up until the point blackbeard scarred Shanks. He was only able to do that because Shanks did not see him as a threat.

[pure raven]

That is one heck of a theory.

[pure raven]

Interesting. With the way shanks believes in people, i wouldn't really trust this theory however....it is quite conceivable.

[sharp anvil]

Oh yeah 100% headcanon my dude

[pure raven]

Cover page chapter 44. Look at this liquid

[sharp anvil]

There's BBs flag also we forgot to mention

[pure raven]

Yes but wouldn't he have to eat a df for that ? That along with 2 other fruits already sends teach at his limit.

[pure raven]

Damn. Remember reading the manga from its early days.

[lunar shell]

I dont think he become a cerberus trough a fruit

[sharp anvil]

Neither do I Gotama I think based on Marco he legit has a weird body. Like a two or 3 heart type thing.

[pure raven]

I did think of that -"other tribe" logic that he's from another tribe but I don't think wry is oda's style.

[lunar shell]

That would cause many issues. I think he was made like this by Xebec. Oda imagined two sisters for teach, I dont think its unlinked

[pure raven]

Cover page chapter 144. Look behind. Ancient civilisation ? Sun God ?

[sharp anvil]

Look at the bandaid 🥲

[pure raven]

Whew

[fathom matrix]

I think when Luffy and Zoro saw Doc Q, Ogre and Berges, either an early stage in haki or their instincts concluded "yeah, he's got more than just 1 guy under his belt.

[pure raven]

A part of me thinks Kureha fixed him or something.

I know thats idiotic

but still

[pure raven]

Who else remembers being confused at it being zolo or zoro ?

[sharp anvil]

She does make a mention about the D name in a nefarious tone

[lunar shell]

I think that Oda knew about Teach abnormality very soon. As we have Zoro and Luffy say this ' its they ' you know.

He had setup for teach already to defeat Ace and be a great vilain. Meaning he has link the role Teach will play in the story, with his abnormality.

A cerberus is the keeper of the gate of hell. This is a story about defeating the God. Maybe Oda have something planned here

[pure raven]

Interesting.

Last one Chapter 244. The Dawn, the sun, looks like a strawhat too ??

[fathom matrix]

There was an idea that when Shanks and Blackbeard fought, Shanks was being VERY careful, and some suggest when Blackbeard was slashed, Shanks thought he was dead but was still on guard, and BB striked his eye

[pure raven]

You believe you Oda's going to take it take being god vs mortals ??

you know....

[sharp anvil]

This I 100% think will happen the red line on the straw hat is too telling

[fathom matrix]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH MY GOD, I NEVER NOTICED THE STRAWHAT LOOKED LIKE A SUNRISE/SUNSET

THAT'S SMART

[pure raven]

Its my personal theory

[fathom matrix]

yeah but that's a good catch

[young hedge]

genius

[lunar shell]

@sharp anvil Yes the two or three earth are good also, I was on this before the cerberus thing, cuz we could pretend having two hearth give you more vitaly, and abnormal strengh and the ability to stay awake all the time. Obv also allowing for two fruits

[sharp anvil]

My headcanon is that the straw hat represents the red line and the dawn. The redline will be destroyed and the last scene will be everyone seeing the sun rise for the first time unobstructed by the red line.

[pure raven]

But look. Chapter 44, 144 and 244. In all of these there is some kind of "link" to all the JoyBoy Voidcentury lore

[sharp anvil]

Revealing the all blue

[lunar shell]

One other thing would be a fruit similar to BM and Brook, allowing to put one soul into a other body, if one body have multiples souls, then perhaps this allow to eat multiple fruit, but I wouldn't recognise any change in one's body

[rough violet]

A theory i found a long time ago was one piece is destoying the red line and making all the oceans into a "one piece" that also signifies how the fishman island will be destroyed by luffy as per madam sharley's prediction

[sharp anvil]

See that's what makes me think two but then there's his dumb flag lol

[lunar shell]

Yep. Tbh like I said Oda like to like his strong character with an animal, the Cerberus is a strong call here

[pure raven]

And the god is ..........IMU !!??

[lunar shell]

By god I mean the tenryubito

[pure raven]

Lol. Overead the situation

[sharp anvil]

The thing I think is weird about the Cerberus is that we seem to have an Oni right now

[lunar shell]

But yes IMU is close to a god, he is immortal and control the world for close to a millennium. That is what a god do

[sharp anvil]

They both are guardians of the underworld in different lore

[lunar shell]

That's more interesting than weird

Funny thing is, a gryphon is also a guardian of the realm of the death

Shanks is obv linked to the gryphon.

[pure raven]

Red hair, you mean ??

[lunar shell]

Yes.

Gryphon is a saber wielded by Shanks as his main weapon.

I will add that Shanks have a Gryphon vibe

[pure raven]

....thats kinda literal but...okay

Damn. At this point the inherited will theory seems slightly under all of this, despite being heavily anticipated.

[lunar shell]

inherited will is not a theory for me it's a fact. Luffy inherited Roger wills, that is why Roger is not dead. It is too heavily implied for me to consider otherwise

[pure raven]

Ah no, not that.

Btw, do you think Law is going to die now ?

[lunar shell]

https://www.britannica.com/topic/griffin-mythological-creature

If you scroll down to the part of churning of the ocean of milk you might read a very interesting story indeed.

I wonder if BM is linked a mythological creature devoted to protection, like the other 3 emperor.

[sharp anvil]

Griffins also pull the carriage of the sun god

[slow swift]

slept on theory: Luffy wasn’t supposed to be this strong. Jango hypnotized him to be stronger and sent luffy on the path he’s on with a strength boost

[pure raven]

I bet luffy is going to die when he realizes he missed all of his adventures

By sleeping.

[sharp anvil]

Most unstoppable free spirits end up adventuring to their own demise

Kinda like the dudes who first tested wing suits

[grave thunder]

if luffy dies I just know that law will die to save luffy

[pure raven]

ouch.

[sharp anvil]

And Roger

[pure raven]

Maybe.

[toxic tundra]

nice find!

[pure raven]

The number 44 is special I think. Chapter 1044, these cover pages, Grove 44 in Sabaody

[silver sphinx]

43+87+10+104=244

[vivid yarrow]

love this 1

[silver sphinx]

i did some math last night with the devil fruit numbers and i got that chapter. it's when some of the crew goes into love street on skypeia, finds a statue of Vearth, "the idol of the citizens of the sky", Luffy and Conis gets stuck by lightning but gets saved by God.

[pure raven]

Saved by god ?

[pure raven]

what are these numbers?

[silver sphinx]

remember the guy on the winged horse in skypeia? Gan Fall?

[silver sphinx]

the correlated numbers of the strawhat devil fruits

[pure raven]

Yeah but Gan Fall saved the strawhats only at the beginning when they arrived at skypiea.

When wiper was trying to kill any invaders, wasn't it so ?

[silver sphinx]

At the end of the chapter, Conis says "I know who you are.....please come back God!"

[silver sphinx]

he came back to save luffy and conis when they got struck by lightning from enel

[pure raven]

I'll have to rewatch that.

[silver sphinx]

i'd post a pic here but it seems i cant

[tame mortar]

Chopper's DF number is 1-10, Hi-To
Yomi 4-3, Hana 8-7, Gomu 5-6, Hito 1-10
The original fan who found this postulates that the next DF based on missing number would be 2 & 9, which is coincidentally Nikyu, and it exists

[pure raven]

Found it. Thx for mentioning. Imma watch the arc once again now.

[silver sphinx]

well shit, i got chopper's df wrong.

but the 104 =ju-shi which is resin so i was using that to see if there was any evidence of connection in the correlating chapters

[pure raven]

i dont understand where the 10 and 104 come from

[pure raven]

Kuma's fruit, right ?

43+87+56+110=296 ??

[silver sphinx]

i changed the 56 (gomu) to 104 (jushi). I used the Jushi Jushi no mi (the theorized resin fruit that luffy might actually have) instead of the 56. Ju=10 shi=4 thus, 104.

i messed up chopper's df numbers. i used 10 instead of 110.

[silver sphinx]

or kinemon's df. "fuku" in numbers could also mean 2,9.

but, i believe Oda's gonna use 0 in place of one of 2 or 9.

[pure raven]

Oda loves to play with numbers, so yeah

[pure raven]

I saw this theory on Grandline review

[tame mortar]

That's actually a good one though, because it fits. Fuku or Nikyu, both means 2-9
and coincidentally, both also allies of SH

[rough violet]

where?

[silver sphinx]

we also got to keep in mind that Nika = 2,9 as well

[tame mortar]

no, 9 is never "Ka"
that is the only part of that Nika theory I hard disagree

[silver sphinx]

idk i just feel like he's gonna pull that. no real evidence tho. i mean, "Fuwa" = 2,0 and is the float fruit that Shiki had so if he dies and another one gets it then it could work.

[pure raven]

yeah I agree it's a bit sketchy

[silver sphinx]

yeah, on the crunchyroll article i read they used "Niko" but it was the japanese onamonapeia for smiling so idk

[young hedge]

Bro when are spoilers comin

[rough violet]

yes he has used numbers sometimes before too ig like 56

[silver sphinx]

i've been really into this theory i found recently that combines a bunch of theories together and hinges off the strawhat df numbers. it's really cool but it hasn't garnered a lot of attention

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/rjroid/325_is_386_mega_theory_final_crew_vivis_devil/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[pure raven]

I have withdrawal symptoms

[grim pine]

..

[rough violet]

kinda confusing ya but possible

[primal cargo]

You need to get a role in #old-role-info

[silver sphinx]

which one

[primal cargo]

any of them, look at the 1st message

[silver sphinx]

rite thx

[pure raven]

haha ok only theory

[silver sphinx]

oop

[keen imp]

1044 mean Ju shi shi right?

[pure raven]

there is a theory about the link between mangrove tree and the nature of gomu gomu no mi https://twitter.com/pewpiece/status/1503871494451081222

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Twitter · Mar 15, 2022, 11:11 PM

[round root]

What if the grim reaper is enma

[cyan berry]

why would enma kill him after he already learned how to use it

no other series please

but even if that were the case

Zoro already gained Enma's trust in the King fight

why would it just turn around and go for his life again

[round root]

ok, i cant argue with that point

[lunar shell]

Enma spirit wanna kill Zoro ? Didnt it just appear to him

[cinder void]

Both Chopper and Franky say that Zoro pushed himself too much.
it's more likely the appearence of the Reaper is just to signify he fought to the brink of death, because 2nd of Yonko are tough fight.

• he canno't move, so he won't be able to fight it with sword

[lunar shell]

What about Sanji, shouldnt he be able to fight with he regeneration ability ?

That reaper seems serious about killing Zoro. I guess this is about Zoro talking to his Zanp..to Enma

[toxic tundra]

not sure... didnt zoro start to lose control of enma recently or during the fight itself? so now that zoro was out of haki, enma could be back to take his life (fully)

[cyan berry]

that was before he learned how to use it

[abstract pond]

We only saw the reaper in front of Zoro. We have no clue of what happened there.
I also think it could be Emma turning into a black blade.

[lunar shell]

I hope after this he can use his bankai and have a blacksword to do some getsuga tansho like roger

[toxic tundra]

is it possible black blades only occur if you use conqueror's haki and coat the blade with it? it doesnt explain why enma wasnt already a black blade since oden had the same haki too 🤔

[lunar shell]

yes obv

[toxic tundra]

you mean the first time he used enma or duing King's fight?

[lunar shell]

conqueror has the faculty of having the owner spirit spreading. This allow to turn a blade black, that and affinity with sword obv, whitebeart doesnt have a blacksword

[abstract pond]

Since the late revelation of swords having a "spirit". I believe turning into a black blade involves making some kind of connection between the swordsman and the spirit.

[lunar shell]

Late ? We knew from loguetown

[rough violet]

not kil fully but maybe bring close to death for another test of his determination

[lunar shell]

Zoro instinctively knew the sword was cursed

[toxic tundra]

BUT... that may or may not be true. if the user dies, then the blade should go back to being a non-black blade (imo). but when zoro got his first black blade (shusui), it was always a black blade.

[rough violet]

emmangetsu

[lunar shell]

Probably Zoro will be able to move faster too

[rough violet]

and gain a cool looking mask

[lunar shell]

An ashura mask

[abstract pond]

It was something very vague but in Wano it was explained

[lunar shell]

Well, I knew since then.

You should know poneglyph also have spirit, Boat can grow a spirit, and the demon of a fruit also has a spirit

they are born from the will of people

[abstract pond]

Hello Oda

[lunar shell]

busted

[abstract pond]

You could say the same about the haki disappearing after the user dies.
My idea it would be something like the sword reaching it's full potential or something like that.

[lunar shell]

ya guys dont get it. Haki doesnt disappear after the user dies, haki = will, will survive.

Kaido told you already he sensed Oden aura in Enma

[digital epoch]

Hol up
T/N: Aversion to Divinity
Pirates are the enemies of the world nobles
D clan is "God's natural enemy"

[lunar shell]

T/N = ?

[digital epoch]

Translator's note

It's in the margin between panels

[lunar shell]

Right

Moon Fang Heaven-Piercer ( getsuga tensho ) is aligned to the aversion to divinity

[cursive tree]

I was thinking about why a resin-resin fruit would be dangerous to the WG.
Imagine if joy boy the last person to awaken the fruit used it to seal something in resin and solidifying it like amber making it unbreakable.
Then Luffy would be the only one able to scatter the resin and getting what’s inside

[vale current]

Makes sense. But it'd be like other means to break the amber not possible? Bc wouldn't be a problem ofc for strong ppl idk

[abstract pond]

I thought that was made clear later that he sensed emma and thought it was Oden

[heady parrot]

If Luffy was actually amber that liquifies to resin instead of rubber that liquefies into natural latex then wouldn’t he be the Koha Koha no Mi? Koha being shorthand for amber in much the same way jushi is for resin. Koha is even a number pun (9-8).

[cursive tree]

Yes thats the weak point

[sharp anvil]

It could feed the tree that bears devil fruit or power something massive like Enel on the moon.

[cursive tree]

Amber is literally fossilized resin

[lunar shell]

You thought wrong

[heady parrot]

i know that? what’s your point?

[cursive tree]

It could still be the resin resin fruit but he can make every form of it liquid and solid

[heady parrot]

i literally said resin and amber are one in the same in my post as opposed to rubber and latex which is what the gomu gomu should be. amber isn’t fossilized latex if that’s what you’re tryna say. but it is fossilized resin. never said it wasn’t.

[cursive tree]

And his stretching would be like Viscous resin

[prisma vault]

If orochi really does die and his fruit happened to grow back near by, who would you want to see eat it, if anyone?

[river pivot]

Queen

[prisma vault]

I don't think I would mind usopp getting a random awesome power up.

[heady parrot]

I don’t think there’s any relation between luffys devil fruit and amber i think it’s just that he’s a rubber man and natural rubber when heated turns into liquid rubber aka latex. He’s steaming and everything so I think it’s pretty obvious imo that he’s liquid rubber unless you’re taking kaidos words too seriously. Liquid rubber is still a huge power up I just don’t think outside of his base and armament hardened body he’ll ever be able to produce anything like amber. There’s nothing to hint at that imo.

[river pivot]

He's a sniper why would he want some extra heads

[heady parrot]

Like his hardness and defense buff will still be all haki + just his base body no fossilizing himself with amber or producing walls of hard amber

[prisma vault]

Watch his own back

[heady parrot]

because he’s not amber he’s still rubber just in its base form

[prisma vault]

Or look down 9 barrels

[river pivot]

But then won't chopper lose his position as commander

[prisma vault]

Never

[cursive tree]

But the world government wanted to hide its true powers so maybe the rubber thing is a bait

[heady parrot]

there’s been a theory floating around about him getting kanjuros df. it’s got a few legs like with kanjuro helping usopp in dressrosa but it’s interesting nonetheless.

[prisma vault]

I'd be ok with that

[heady parrot]

why would a resin fruit lock itself into the properties of rubber in its base form? just because that’s what luffy was told it was? it doesn’t add up to me.

[cursive tree]

And his stretching would be like Viscous resin

[lunar shell]

resin and protein make gomu

the fruit is resin, luffy is protein, that is why he need to eat all this meat

[heady parrot]

but it’s never been portrayed like viscous resin we’ve even seen him tear and stretch his rubber before even as recently as whole cake island so that don’t add up. why would a resin man tear like rubber. acts like rubber in 99.99% of circumstances outside of just now in 1043 and gear 4.

[cursive tree]

Stretching powers being the base power without the awakening just like the natural state of resin viscous and stretchy

[lunar shell]

Cuz...Resin and protein makes rubber...

[cursive tree]

A true

[primal cargo]

What ?

[heady parrot]

but the state luffy is portrayed in his base is NOT the same as resin in its base. you’d expect someone made of resin to look more like caribou.

[lunar shell]

?

[primal cargo]

What do you mean by this. Please explain

[cursive tree]

He’s out of ammo

[grim pine]

hey

[cursive tree]

👀

[grim pine]

so my friends
are you guys suffering enough right?

from the break 🙂 ?

[alpine dome]

First he used to battle with shanks all the time when shanks had two arms. They were equally strong. So Mihawk went to shanks and showed luffys bounty to him. Shanks said “r u interested in fighting me”. Then Mihawk said “there is no point in fighting you anymore”Mihawk is not interested in fighting shanks cause now he lost a whole arm and that is a big disadvantage. Even in the Data Book it says Mihawk is waiting for another opponent STRONGER than shanks. Why would Mihawk want someone stronger? So he can have the best fight. Mihawk has better armament haki because he made his sword into a black blade while shanks didn’t. And he probably has better observation haki too because of his title and he’s was supposed to be a clairvoyant that’s someone that could literally see into the future. Only haki shanks has better is conquers haki for sure. And If shanks is stronger than Mihawk then zoros dream would be stupid. Imagine zoros goal is to beat Mihawk but there is still a stronger swordsman. Oda is not stupid like that with one piece. That’s y he gave the title “Strongest Swordsman” to Mihawk. It literally states in the vivre card that “Everyone who works with the sword fears hawk-eyes Mihawk, He is the strongest swordsman in the world in both name and reality”.And remember shanks is mainly a swordsman too.

[toxic tundra]

you're oda. so just release the chapter early and tell us already whats going on with luffy! 😂

[lunar shell]

https://external-preview.redd.it/YmDm-zsMvVEPoAVhBQh_3clKmj4M0kZcaI7JIileKNU.jpg?auto=webp&s=892f6719da85f9c4c94b86f3ff5431f7cb524c4b

[alpine dome]

Here

[grim pine]

hahaha no my student

[thick seal]

@alpine dome why didnt mihawk agree to fight shanks in marineford

[alpine dome]

Because of respect

[toxic tundra]

are you implying mihawk is stronger than shanks (by claiming shanks is also a swordsman)?

[thick seal]

You dont think he respected whitebeard?

[alpine dome]

They r not gonna fight a 1v1 while there’s marines gonna interrupt the fight.

[thick seal]

That same logic could apply to every other enemy in the war

But he still fought in the war

[grim pine]

i never said mihawk is powerful, kids

[toxic tundra]

according to OP, they (mihawk and other warlords), were called for beating whitebeard. after that, their task was done. didnt include shanks. plus, they were/are friends.

[shadow blade]

MIHAWK IS stronger as a swords man

[grim pine]

yes son

[toxic tundra]

yes, hes the strongest swordsman, but shanks would still win (however/whatever his power is). its like if mihawk went up against any other yonko (kaido, bigmom, blackbeard), the winner would generally be the yonko.

[shadow blade]

Shanks is stronger overall as a whole character he could lake on his swordsmanship but will power and overall strength shanks is miles better, he stopped the war

[grim pine]

can we stop with the powerscaling?
this is a manga theories thread

[shadow blade]

Yo oda u r not doing a great job "ur translators" leaked chap 1044 plot

[shadow blade]

Yes sir

[grim pine]

ohh that son of a bitch again!!

[toxic tundra]

btw, are there any theories that relate shanks to imu directly? could shanks also be a celestial dragon like doflamingo? (however doesnt fit with the whole he was on roger's crew from a young age lol).

[lunar shell]

Shanks uses a sword, but he doesn't use sword art, not to an extent where he could be considered swordman, therefore, he is excluded from the people mihawk is superior to ( Mihawk is the strongest swordman ).

That said. I believe Mihawk and Shanks to be of similar power.

[grim pine]

my kid..give link

[lunar shell]

Oda did talk about Shanks, Mihawk, and whitebeard, in being the goal of many

[grim pine]

shanks is the son of rocks

[lunar shell]

"D: Hey, Oda! In all of these fight scenes, why doesn't anybody go for the men's groins? Doesn't that seem like the quickest path to victory? P.N. Eldest of the Asada Siblings.
O: True, that is a vital area. Just imagine legends among men--Whitebeard, Shanks, Mihawk--staring each other down, bearing their weighty ideals...and trying to whack each other in the balls! IS THAT THE KIND OF MANGA YOU WANT TO READ?! "

[shadow blade]

If luffy's eyes changed smh, then there is a connection between imu, zuneisha and luffy and potentially mihawk since those 3 already got weird eyes

[pure raven]

and yet

[alpine dome]

Yes and shanks is confirmed a swordsman. They r both swordsman that’s how they mainly fight lol

[lunar shell]

he is confirmed a swordman but that's bs tbh

[alpine dome]

💀💀💀. Oda said it

In all his serious scenes he uses his sword because he’s a swordsman

[lunar shell]

Oda also said that mihawk is top swordman, but mihawk also said that becoming pirate king was harder than defeating him, he also wanted to see the gap between him and whitebeard

if you take everything you read as a fact, you will be in trouble, use your common sense

[alpine dome]

Idk what’s ur point though. Yes becoming pirate king is harder because it’s not only strength and skill. It’s about the whole adventure with the ponyg and making a crew. But idk what ur tryna say Mihawk is still stronger than shanks

[ocean comet]

shanks a yonko tho

[lunar shell]

My point is that Shanks doesn't have a blacksword

What was said on him being a swordman, was just to make clear that he fight using a sword, like roger, sadly, you have to be more precise else people are confused like you are now, in the true sense of the term, swordman is using the art of the sword, not just the sword

So when, 20 year ago, you saw shanks wrote as " a swordman ", what you need to read is " fighting with a sword "

[eager narwhal]

Any mihawk bounty yet? That could be interesting

[lunar shell]

No one to report of the marine detachment sent to capture him.

[shadow blade]

Ill just say that i will not argue because this is manga theories channel, the panel oda shared few months ago shows the swordsman of one piece, the only swordsmans on that panel who use swords as fightstyles are odin zoro and vista those guys seek to beat mihawk and we all know zoro will, shanks doesn't have a unique sword technique all of what confirmed of his powers now are an elevated level of haki, thats my claim i will not say anything more

[alpine dome]

Bro what u sayin Oda simply confirmed that shanks is a swordsman and Mihawk too. In the data book it literally says Mihawk is looking for someone stronger than shanks. Dawg it’s common sense with the info we have rn

[toxic tundra]

he would probably higher than most of the 2nd in commands. so higher than King's bounty. 2bil at least? Just below Buggy's of course! 😂

[lunar shell]

Really ? Can you show me this data book plz, I'm not informed of such a thing

[alpine dome]

Well ya we don’t know anything about both. What we do know is Mihawk is a swordsman and shanks is too. Mihawk as a black blade and wants someone stronger than shanks.

[alpine dome]

Search up databook Mihawk info. It will show u that he wants to find someone stronger than shanks. And that’s Zoro

[lunar shell]

I know of similar lines, but this escape my knowledge. What I remember I'v read is : Mihawk is bored after attain his top 1 rank and is looking for someone to fight

[alpine dome]

And guys imagine if shanks is stronger. That’s would be horrible story writing cause Zoro wants to become the best swordsman and he has to beat Mihawk for that to happen. But u guys saying shanks is stronger?

[lunar shell]

You are right "He looks forward to the day a swordmaster will emerge to surpass even his
rival, Red-Haired Shanks"

Swordmaster, yes that's would be a good way to remove the ambiguity.

If I believe this then Shanks is the number two swordmaster, I'm a little troubled by the fact he doesnt have a blacksword, but ok

[alpine dome]

And it says he is the worlds strongest swordsman who sits on top as the strongest of all swordsman

[lunar shell]

Yes that much I know, but I didnt consider Shanks as a swordmaster so I didnt put him into acount. But I was wrong obv.

[alpine dome]

Me too that’s y I’m sayin with the info we have rn it’s safer to say Mihawk is stronger but Oda can change that. If he does that’s horrible writing cause like I said Zoro wants to become the strongest swordsman too. For that to happen he has to defeat Mihawk not shanks

[lunar shell]

In any case I always see Mihawk and Shanks to be close in power lv, so in the end that doesnt change much

[alpine dome]

Ya they r really close

[lunar shell]

Or is it that, Shanks lose to Mihawk in term of swordsmanship, but have more to his sleeve ?

I think that would do it. There are those that focus on sword art, and those are more spread in their proficiencies

If Shanks is ' just ' a swordmaster it would be boring imo. I think he is more a master of a conqueror haki than of the sword. We'll see

[alpine dome]

Ya we will see it’s just the info we have with shanks mainly a swordsman and Mihawk is the strongest is y Mihawk is stronger

[pure raven]

Do yall think crocodile is stronger then he is showed

Cus crocodile in marine ford was a beast and that one movie ik is not canon but why they say that crocodile and bullet fought and it was a draw

[tulip sorrel]

Yes

[tulip hedge]

I always assumed Shanks has a similar fighting style to Rayleigh, although not much is known about rayleigh either tbh

[tulip sorrel]

Cant wait to see him return and be badass

[pure raven]

@tulip sorrel same he is my favr one piece character

[lunar shell]

For me Shanks has a Roger-like style

He will have perfect conqueror ability like we've seen only from Roger so far

[primal cargo]

I don't see anything about protein. You were saying "resin and protein makes gomu"

[lunar shell]

yes

[primal cargo]

Well ? How so ? Do you have something interesting to bring to the table, like a biology fact ?

[lunar shell]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_rubber

Typically, a small percentage (up to 5% of dry mass) of other materials, such as proteins, fatty acids, resins, and inorganic materials (salts) are found in natural rubber.

[primal cargo]

The same could be said about a plethora of other resin-related materials, so this doesn't explain "why would a resin fruit lock itself into the properties of rubber in its base form"
Protein is very far from being rare in organic matter

[lunar shell]

Fruit is Resin, Luffy is protein

Mix them together and they are gomu.

[pure raven]

I just read that maybe xebec had yam yami fruit, and used it to absorb his own soul in the darkness in his last fight against garp and roger , then later when black beard got the fruit he also got the soul of xebec, which would explain a lot of things

[primal cargo]

Additionally, there are many kinds of protein and I don't believe you find the same protein in meat and in rubber

[lunar shell]

Only when you awaken the fruit will it prevail over the protein of the user body and release his true power

That is Nika creating the jushi jushi no mi dude. Dont you hear whitebeard laughting ? dont you see he is like gurahahahaa and his fruit is gura, Luffy is all shishishi, so its jushi jushi its obv

Also the number doesnt lie I mean 10 = Ju 4 = Shi 3 = Mi, that give u jushi jushi no mi duuuh

[runic flax]

I’m starting to think it’s 100% resin

Even leakers are hinting at it

I don’t mind resin cus the word resin sounds cool

[lunar shell]

Is it because a monkey king is literally pointing to it ?

[primal cargo]

You're just ignoring all my arguments and resorting to trolling. I'm gonna stop this here if you don't mind

[muted ember]

It is not the Resin fruit. Argue with ya mamas.

[runic flax]

When was that

[lunar shell]

Do you have a better explanation ?

[lunar shell]

Good question, I dont know

[muted ember]

No, but heres' the thing; When a theory is so solid, so well made, and has many backing points; It's even less likely to happen.

This is a classic twist and turn, but JUST when you think you know what Oda's doing, he flips the script and wows you with something you didnt even think of; That's why its not the Resin fruit.

[runic flax]

I dunno fam
, guess we’ll have to see

[lunar shell]

Yes you are perfectly right

[pure raven]

rubber awakening

[lunar shell]

Oda changes his story if someone find it in advance and I find it really sad.

[muted ember]

Not true, but sure.

[pure raven]

Why did the wg change it from "resin" to "rubber"? What's so scary and legendary about resin?

[runic flax]

Iv already accepted resin into my life

[lunar shell]

He actually said this : If someone find out what is the one piece, I will change the nature of the one piece.

[muted ember]

+1 reason to why its not the resin.

[pure raven]

source

[muted ember]

Could be to taunt them, but also that's fair. It's like the biggest secret in the story; and you already know nobody's got it, even Ohara 😭

[runic flax]

It would be crazy if luffy’s fruit was the one piece

[lunar shell]

True. But it is just to hide the fact that Oda want to change the name of the fruit and have to find a reason.

[pure raven]

No, your response answers nothing

it's not resin. It doesn't make any sense for the WG to change the name of a resin fruit

[lunar shell]

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/d053me/oda_changing_the_ending/

[lunar shell]

that's not ^^

[lunar shell]

I does trust me, its called scriptwriting facility

[pure raven]

that is NOT a source for anything

[lunar shell]

You really going to have me find the interview ? Can't someone confirm this to him ?

[pure raven]

the person you posted also didn't have a source

[muted ember]

"I believe"

[lunar shell]

No no its real news I didnt learn it from him

[runic flax]

Someone else said that he said he doesn’t read theories because it would make him want to change it

[pure raven]

then post a source

[lunar shell]

I learn it from youtuber that only share confirmed source you really can trust me on this

[pure raven]

show the source. Or else:

dumb or trolling

choose which of them you're being or pretending to be

[lunar shell]

I will try and give you the source.

But know that you are not revealing who I am by saying suchs things, you are revealing who you are.

[amber oar]

youtubers are wrong until proven otherwise

[pure raven]

reminder these are this dude's arguments

[muted ember]

Because Blackbeard's laugh is "YAMIYAMIYAMIYAMIYAMIYA" right?

Where's the Dereshishi no mi that Robin should have?

I don't mean to take the piss; but that's a very soft theory with almost no backing. A person's laugh wont dictate what fruit they have 😭

[lunar shell]

I'm sorry you thought it was the only argument. Im afraid of what is says of you.

Can't find the interview sorry. You'll have to take my word for it or live in a lie @pure raven

[pure raven]

nah I will say you're wrong

[amber oar]

something something what this says of you

[muted ember]

So what's the theory? Only "legends" have a devil fruit based off of their laugh?

[lunar shell]

#manga-theories message

[muted ember]

Like there seriously is no backing, to saying "Well look WB has Gura Gura as his laugh, and Gura gura as his fruit; so Luffy obviously having Shishi (jishi) will then have the resin fruit 😭 )

[muted ember]

I don't care about other evidence related to other topics; Just this one that sucks redacted balls.

[lunar shell]

Why ?

[muted ember]

If you had more proof then just Whitebeard, then you could use the argument that Shishi = Jishi, but since there's literally maybe 1-2 people in all of One Piece that have a devil fruit related to their laugh; that argument is absurd, a hell of a reach; therefore unbelievable.

[pure raven]

Did enel laugh gororororororororo

[lunar shell]

Lot of characters in one piece have their laugh associated with their fruits.
Its funny in this case cuz Luffy was in this case all along without us realising

[muted ember]

Again; Where's Blackbeard with his Zehahaha no mi? or Robin's "Hanananana" laugh? They just don't exist.

[clear trellis]

Guys I think it’s gonna be something we don’t think about

[lunar shell]

I really have to say ' not ALL char have laugh according to their fruits ' ?

[pure raven]

I mean Blackbeard's Zehahaha might be some fruit that enables him to have multiple fruits at once

[pure raven]

I was just kidding

[muted ember]

There's no pattern; there's no consistency; The argument does not work.

[cyan berry]

1- "His awakening resembles resin"

While the only proof we really have is some sort of liquid like substance emanating from Luffy, we have nothing aside from fan colorings. HOWEVER. Everyone ignores that the liquid is ignoring gravity and floating upwards, which i assume I do not need to tell you is not a trait of resin.

2- "Resin's properties fit with Luffy's power"

While technically true, there are a few very distinct differences, with the most important one being that resin moves really slowly which directly goes against Luffy's moves due to their inherent speed. "Resin is a chemical compound" so is Rubber.
"Resin becomes soft on heating" so does Rubber.
"Resin burns with a smoky flame" so does Rubber.
"Resin can be hardened" so can Rubber.
"Resin is an insulator" so is Rubber.
None of Luffy's rubber-like properties would change or be altered if he was rubber or resin.

3- "Oda's favorite scenes"

The Sabaody panel shows rubber resin which is a very different type of resin that very clearly is water based and therefore would not have any of the properties listed above. I personally think the Nika/Skypiea comparison is a bit of a stretch but eh. Doesn't really matter in this case.

4- "Resin alters the trajectories of his attacks"

The reasoning given is that Luffy melts his resin at each joint allowing for the trajectory to change. Assuming this could even be remotely true, it would still not be possible because heating things makes them softer and harder to control. Luffy would have to freeze his arms at very specific intervals at very specific speeds then heat them up again for this to be possible. And besides, thanks to Dressrosa, we already know that G4's unique use of haki makes Luffy's have special properties, like being elastic when covered in armament haki.

5- "The WG is afraid of resin"

This part is filled with conjecture with hardly any proof so I'll ignore it, but I just cannot for the life of me imagine a scenario where the WG, the strongest force in the world, would change the name of a resin fruit to a rubber fruit, especially when both materials are damn near identical except one is closer to a liquid.

[pure raven]

@cyan berry ...

[ashen valve]

4chan speculation about shanks, take it with a grain of salt

[lunar shell]

Fine just forget about it

[pure raven]

I was just waiting

[muted ember]

Youss came in with the heat goddamn

[turbid pivot]

i stopped here

[muted ember]

Here's another +1 to "Resin" not being his fruit; What about GOMU GOMU NO, something so fucking iconic and relevant to the series and Luffys attacks as a whole. Small thing; but just a +1 to prove. Another one is "Rubber always bounces back", which is one of the biggest charasteristics in Luffy, so you'll just rip that away now? Idk man it just makes no sense to me.

[lunar shell]

Ya people that dont understand Shanks can't be a bad guys cuz him being legit is the root of the story can't be helped

[lunar shell]

Do you realise that the fruit is not the gomu gomu ?

[muted ember]

Pretty sure that's never been confirmed, only hinted at so you can take it as headcanon.

[lunar shell]

Oh boy. Yes it is confirmed.

[muted ember]

Mhm; then show me.

[pure raven]

I find this theory very amusing, would love if it's true

[lunar shell]

We dont know what is the true name of the gomu, but we know the gorosei is speaking about this fruit.

[muted ember]

It's gonna be "THE TRUE NATURE OF THAT FRUIT" isn't it?

[compact jewel]

just w8 2 days and we show you

[pure raven]

show the confirmation

[cyan berry]

!theories

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using #manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description.

[lunar shell]

No...Maybe re read the damn thing

[muted ember]

Hook line and sinker.

[cyan berry]

use this channel properly please @compact jewel

not the place for casual chitchat

[pure raven]

I think luffy’s fruit is water based

[pure raven]

in what way?

[muted ember]

!theories

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using #manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description.

[pure raven]

bruh the mod commented on that exact statement just a second ago

[pure raven]

Stopped right here

[pure raven]

it's not a bad theory per si, we'd just have to look at the specifics

[lunar shell]

It is.

[pure raven]

yeah I actually like the theory

[muted ember]

"Giving it another name" does remove the whole Gomu Gomu aspect huh; UNLESS Oda is so clever, that the real name of this fruit somehow still sounds like the word "Gomu"

[pure raven]

Umog umog no mi

[muted ember]

(And again, this is with the assumption that the Gorosei ARE talking about Luffy's fruit here)

[lunar shell]

There is no helping you I see.
Can't you see Luffy melting ...

[muted ember]

I'm sorry but your arguments are asenine. Melting man = Resin? Atleast provide some actual backing to this stuff, don't just say random bullshit and expect me to believe it.

[shadow flume]

Shanks being evil makes sense

[pure raven]

It's actually not melting but zunesha's shit

[lunar shell]

Gomu can't melt...

[pure raven]

what would be an option for that though? go go no mu? Don't think that means anything, the nothingness of language language?

[muted ember]

"Everyone ignores that the liquid is ignoring gravity and floating upwards, which i assume I do not need to tell you is not a trait of resin." - Youss 2022

[pure raven]

I'd hate that actually happening

[pure raven]

gomu means both gum and rubber in japanese, so similar properties are possible without a change in the fruit's name. "Rubber" is but one translation

[pure raven]

hm?

[digital crest]

It might be bubbles, because bubbles go upward and it still would correlate to Oda’s favorite scene in Sabaody because bubbles do have a sticky residue similar to resin. Only difference it’s light enough to go against gravity unlike resin/tar/oil @weak finch

[muted ember]

Liek this could be honey? GUM, as in literal rubbergum; Any sort of "thick substance" that can melt. How did we only narrow it down to Resin, and now believe it with all our hearts 😭

[weak finch]

@cyan berry

1. 100% right but it doesn't have to be liquid resin, maybe it's not melting but just resin being secreted in viscous form but I agree.

2. You are right but these are not really arguments to discredit rubber. This is already based on the assumption that Luffy's devil fruit real name is not "gomu gomu no mi", if we now have to consider other substances than rubber, resin fits also what Luffy has been doing.

3. I see but couldn't both types of resin be "manipulated" by the same devil fruit user? Doesn't have to be called "resin df" but you get the point

4. Agreed, I think that one is surely the worst argument for Resin. I mean it's a pure guess based on just the fact that when you melt resin, it softens but I get your point.

5. Well, see it in the eyes of the WG. There is a df that holds a certain power (was responsible of the resin bubble around FMI among others) and you can't destroy it because devil fruits reemerge as soon as they are destroyed. So you rename it to something whose properties can still be explained by the df powers: the rubber df. Also as mentioned in point 3 maybe it's a name that includes different aspects (rubber, resin, etc.) or maybe that's just not the reason the WG is afraid of it.

[lunar shell]

Neither melt

[pure raven]

Rubber melts

[digital crest]

Bubbles also do occur in Rubber

[muted ember]

shaky source but I can do more research later on; Rubber can melt.

[lunar shell]

it doesnt stretch

[muted ember]

If I can make the assumption that this is STEAM, it'd mean his body is incredibly hot right now; And at a certain temperature, rubber can indeed melt.

But even then; after all this theory talk; Melting rubber WILL NOT float upwards. Gravity does not work like that.

[lunar shell]

Why would he be that hot now ? I dont see this happening when he has fire or worse on him

[muted ember]

Him going to G2 is most likely more "hot" than he's ever been, even going through a Kaido boro breath.

[pure raven]

Natural rubber is made of long chains of molecules called polymers. Because these polymers are so long (they can be thousands of molecules long) they get tangled up in themselves. The result is a property called elasticity, the polymers are elastic.
Rubber elasticity refers to a property of crosslinked rubber: it can be stretched by up to a factor of 10 from its original length and, when released, returns very nearly to its original length. This can be repeated many times with no apparent degradation to the rubber. Idk if this is correct tho💀

[muted ember]

So yea, it is possible that he could be this hot. Exuding steam does that

[lunar shell]

This is resin the monkey king said so, Oda like foreshadowing
The number said so, Oda like talk trough number
It add more interesting link : Joy Boy making the tree under the sea for the fishmens for example
And more
And more again

[digital crest]

Resin and Rubber doesn’t go upward BUT bubbles do!!!!

[pure raven]

Which also provides an argument against rubber btw, gear 4 stretches far over the range of which rubber should be able to

[shadow flume]

I just think his Red Hawk and Rubber abilities are mixing together

[muted ember]

Let me say this the most civil way possible;

Cherrypicking, ignoring every other possibility, laser focusing on only the agenda you want to hear, echo chamber.

[lunar shell]

Understood

[lunar shell]

You are right for once, but this is not what I'm doing here

I'm giving fact

[muted ember]

Right for once is passive aggressive; I'm trying to hold a real conversation here. "This is not what I'm doing" its exactly what you're doing. Picking examples that fit your criteria, while ignoring the thousand others.

[lunar shell]

I'm not ignoring them, but I have to say I did miss them, what were they

[muted ember]

As much as I'd love to knock the idea of it being bubbles; (especially when theres not much evidence) it does sound like an actual cool idea.

[digital crest]

This explains bubbles “stretching”

[lunar shell]

Water water no mi ?

[digital crest]

[muted ember]

🤔 what about Red Hawk? If bubbles were met with flame, wouldn't it burst into water? or melt into steam; depending on the quantity.

[digital crest]

Bubbles are flammable

[royal agate]

wait till void flashbacks one piece is at least moon AP level

[digital crest]

literally when you boil a pot the bubbles rise

[neon garden]

There’s steam coming out of his mouth

[lunar shell]

Ok, but what cause this ? He said ' he is hot ' but doesnt explain why, and doesnt explain why, when in other situation Luffy is hot, this doesnt happens

[neon garden]

When luffys body heats up (g2) steam comes out his mouth

[lunar shell]

True. Where are we going with this

[pure raven]

he can make himself hot

[neon garden]

That he is hot inside

[lunar shell]

So he can make himself hotinside , this is proven, and this might explains what is happening as Oda is showing similar steam coming out his mouth

[neon garden]

Possibly yeah

[lunar shell]

What does that tell us

[slender fulcrum]

Sabaody resin made bubble that float upward.

[lunar shell]

That tell us that he is melting

[pure raven]

i’m ngl oda is ass at power scaling

[muted ember]

He is melting. That much is for granted.

I mean I still prefer the word "transforming" but that's headcanon so no comment.

[lunar shell]

Sun God Nika is awake, and his heart is going even faster than when Luffy use his gear second.

Now the ??? is melting.

For numbers of reason I believe ??? is resin, because opposed to that, the meaning is weak.

by meaning I mean : what have the more story telling behind it

[muted ember]

1. Saying Luffy is Nika is still not confirmed, and you can not argue against this. Joyboy and Nika just as easily could be 2 different people, but I digress
2. "his heart is going even faster than usual" I'd need proof to believe it, we're just assuming that because he's steaming, that his body is on overdrive

[lunar shell]

You can explain the did by water or rubber or whatever, but aside from the explanation, what is the reason that fit the most ?

[pure raven]

can it be rubber?

yes. is the answer

[lunar shell]

Ok I just wanted to link the ' sun ' to the fact he is hot , and his heart producing music in zunesha hear, to the fact the Nika is dancing, but yes, not only it is not confirmed, its not even what I think to be true

[lunar shell]

Yes, but like I said just before, even if the explanations are multiples, the reasons arent evenly proportioned

[pure raven]

you talked but didn't say anything right now.

It can be rubber and rubber is still the most likely answer, because it doesn't open the problems of "why would this fruit's name be changed"

[lunar shell]

Why is rubber most likely the answer more than, for exemple, resin ?

[slender fulcrum]

It can be rubber, but based on what the gurusei answered I think ( imo ) that it is unlikely

1- gurusei heard a legend about a fruit who had a precise power, who do X thing once awakened, and was joy boy fruit.
2- They see Zunesha, joy boy friend, around wano ( unprecedented)
3- They reread the propecies or whatever and they realise that the current event match the prophecy.
4- They are puzzled because the prophecy mentions another devil's fruit, and the conclusion is that this precise fruit name was changed from the records, probably to hide its true nature.
5- it can still be resin, in sabaody the resin bubble formed from the ground to float upward.

[lunar shell]

I already answer tht

[lunar shell]

Why wouldn't Whitebeard help wano ? Because he was afraid of casulty? No.
Why would the government hide fruit name ? Because his goal is to hide anything that links the void century? No.

That's cuz when Luffy eat the Gomu, it was just a simple gomu gomu fruit, and now, Oda want to change the name of the fruit cuz he have a new idea. ( since years but still )

scriptwriting facility

[pure raven]

please explain everything you've just said and how it's relevant to this discussion

Because it means nothing, and it doesn't make rubber less likely

[lunar shell]

my answer can't be revelant cuz what you are asking isnt : you have me explain a scriptwriting facility

[pure raven]

I am saying nothing you said makes rubber less likely