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[pure raven]

They can** produce** something, be something, turn into something, change something or a combination of these.

What seems to define the category [other than "anything that isn't a Zoan or a Logia"] is the Awakening ----> to ASSIGN the power to the environment.

Ito Ito - turns the environment turn into string** and not the user** producing it
Mochi Mochi - turns the environment turn into mochi and not the user
Ope Ope - assigns the **focus **of a Room to something in the environment and not the user
Jiki Jiki - assigns the **focus **of magnetic properties to the environment and not the user

To the ones that **produce **stuff: the environment turns into that.
To the ones that **turn **into stuff: the environment turns into that.
To the ones that **are **some substance: the environment turns into that.
To the ones that **change **things: the environment may be the focus for that change and not the user.

To the ones with a **combination **of these: the environment is what becomes the focus and/or turns into the thing.

| | | This is why, in the end, Mochi Mochi is not a Logia - it has a Paramecia awakening, so it's a Paramecia.

| | | On the other hand, if someone has a fruit that allows them to turn into a flock of birds (a **possible **interpretation of Karasu's power), that fruit would be a Paramecia if and only if it had a Paramecia awakening (in this case, turning the environment into birds). If that fruit had a Zoan awakening, it would be a Zoan. If it had a Logia awakening, it would be a (weird) Logia. Let's get into what any of those mean.

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🟢🟢🟢 ZOAN
This one is more scientific, but if you understand the concept of cells, you will understand it.

Zoans allow you to turn into an animal. Generally, they have three main forms (but those don't define what a Zoan is):

**Original **<--------> **Hybrid **<--------> Beast
[Original I will call "human" (I know it's not accurate), this Hybrid I will call "regular hybrid"]

To understand my theory, you need to look at Zoans as:

the power of **access **to cells (tissues, organs) of a beast and to choose the percentage of human cells to use and of beast cells to use.

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| | | In the Human, they have 100% human cells, 0% beast. Easy.

| | | In the Beast, they have 100% beast cells, 0% human. Simple.

| | | In the Regular Hybrid, it has some beast cells here, some human cells there. This means a set percentage of human joined with a set percentage of beast.
--> one that is 20% of human, 30% of beast will make a small Regular Hybrid, like Chopper
--> one that is 70% human, 60% beast will make a big Regular Hybrid
--> etc.

So in the Regular Hybrid, they may have a beast skin, a beast leg, a human foot, the outer layer of the nails might be of a beast, but the inner one of a human. There is an **organized **distribution, because there is no conflict for space.

"What's conflict for space?"

Well imagine if you have all your human bone cells and all the beast bone cells for the same bone. They can't be in the same space. You need to have an organized distribution, maybe it's only a beast bone, maybe it's a mix of some beast cells here and some human cells there.

An image to help:

So now we understand Hybrids (through my headcanon).

What happens when we introduce DRUGS?

So the Regular Hybrid has a specific appearance:

• a specific **amount **of human cells
• a specific **amount **of beast cells
• a specific **distribution **of those cells

With drugs, what happens is those amounts and distribution change. But it's still organized. I will call those Drugged Hybrids.

Look at Chopper.
His Regular Hybrid has a small amount of beast and human cells.
Then with his Drugged Hybrids, he's able to change that distribution - **a more reindeer leg, a more human fist, etc. **
In the end he achieved a big ass monster, I will talk about it later.

Look at Black Maria.
Her Regular Hybrid has **nothing **to do with the Drugged Hybrid we saw. She uses drugs like Chopper to achieve something with two heads - **a human and a spider one. **
She changed the distribution to make this Drugged Hybrid:
+ all human cells above waist
+ all beast cells
This is still organized. The cells aren't in conflict for space, they are in their own place.

Look at SMILES.
Now Black Maria looks like someone who ate a SMILE.

In fact, SMILEs are not just artifical Devil Fruits, they have components in them that act like ** drugs**. Basically, each (working) SMILE user lacks most of the magical powers of Zoans, and is always in a Drugged Hybrid, with different levels of control over distribution.
But they are all organized, a beast head coming out of a shoulder is not in conflict with the cells of the human head, right? They aren't in conflict for space, they have their own place, they are organized.

+++ I think Kaidou achieves Drugged Hybrids with alcohol, but that is another theory.
Link: ||#manga-theories message||

Okay, that's a lot. Next thing about Zoans - what defines them - the Zoan AWAKENING!

In my paradigm, this Awakening is to have all the beast cells and all the human cells IN CONFLICT, without organization, creating a new mutant, a monster that is disfigured and gigantic like the Jailer Beasts.

Monster Point COULD be Zoan Awakening in this theory. Or it could be a weird something something with drugs, but I would not mind awakening being achieved with drugs.

So what's the difference between REGULAR, DRUGGED HYBRIDS and AWAKENING?

I have mentioned a lot how the cells must be organized in the Regular and in the Drugged Hybrids.
In those, you can have:
+ part-beast, part-human arm
+ human arm
+ beast arm
+ a beast arm coming out of your belly
+ etc.
None of these have a conflict between cells that want to be in the same space.

The OPPOSITE happens in Awakening. All the beast and all the human want to be in the same place, in the same general body regions. This creates a disfigured monster.

A new creature, it isn't human, it isn't beast, it isn't part human and part beast.
It's something new, a weird melting pot of cells that creates the strongest Zoan form.

The Tama Tama no Mi, for example, could be a Paramecia. However, it is a Zoan.

   - if it was a Paramecia, Tamago would possibly turn other things into eggs (?)

But since it's a Zoan, it should give Tamago a** new transformation** that uses **all **the Tamago cells, **all **the Hiyoko cells and **all **the Niwatori cells at the same time to create a giant mutant egg-chick-chicken thing!

A summary:

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🔴🔴🔴 LOGIA
Perhaps faster to understand than the other ones, maybe not.

What happens with Logia users:
+ body becomes element
+ body produces element

Turning other things into the element is NOT their Awakening, as it should be different than Paramecia to create the real divide between them (in this paradigm).

My theory: Since these guys turn into stuff that exists in nature, they should be able to assimilate with those things in nature.

What does this mean and how does it work?

You know how Logia still have a "real" body that can be touched with haki? That is the disadvantage of the Logia fruits. That Awakening would counter this notion!

Like Homies!

Essentially a Person (a soul) inside an element, with no body, so haki does not reach them. For Prometheus, one has to counter fire as an element or touch his soul directly - and Luffy couldn't.
A reason why Big Mom's power is so strong is because it can simulate Logia Awakening, but a more limited one - limited in souls, in power, in control over the element.

The possibilities:
Mera
| | | Imagine someone with the Mera Mera. They see a huge fire, maybe even one they started. The user **assimilates **with this fire through Awakening, their body disappears.

Instead of their body becoming fire, the fire itself gained their consciousness/soul!! The fire itself became the user.

Some have told me this could be said as "the user becomes their true element".

Magu
| | | Imagine Akainu jumps into a pool of magma, his body disappears, his soul is in the magma and therefore he controls the magma itself.

Hie:
| | | Aokiji's body disappears and a room gets colder and colder - he controls the cold, not ice!

Pika
| | | Kizaru disappears and the light around a place starts attacking you. Your only counter is to get somewhere dark.

Gasu
| | | Something like a gas homie. Caesar already has something similar, could he be awakened already?

Etc.

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CONCLUSION

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Let's apply this to Karasu, since we still don't have a category for him!!
He creates a murder of crows - we don't know if real crows or a substance that he just wants to shape into crows.

If he's a Paramecia:

His Awakening is to turn other things into crows.

If he's a Zoan:

His Awakening is to transform into a mutant with all Karasu cells and all the cells of all the crows

If he's a Logia:

His Awakening is to assimilate himself into the substance he creates | or into groups of crows... if that makes any sense.

**And THAT concludes my Devil Fruit headcanon. **

[dark palm]

holy stoopid, I do like this though

[pure raven]

yeah I have been saying I wanted to do this, but it was too much, I am taking a break lmao.

But appreciate it!

[split maple]

What's the will of d

[livid shuttle]

No one really knows yet

[iron gull]

We don’t know

[split maple]

Are there theories is what I'm asking

[bitter prism]

I personally think Imu betrayed Joy Boy in a fight against a greater power and overthrew that power, becoming even worse than who he and Joy Boy were fighting.

[mint prairie]

You can check pinned theories, but usually this channel is intended to "promote lengthy discussions," as the channel description reads. If you want light discussions you ought to go to #manga and #also-manga.

[halcyon talon]

nice observation i forgot about that. the way i see it, kaido killed all of luffy, except the part of luffy that is "joyboy's will" and so luffy's voice had completely gone, but joyboy's will is (solely) keeping him alive. while luffy's will regenerates, joyboy will take the stand. and this is of course why the "smile when you die cause you're a will of D" wasn't activated.

its probably joyboy's will fully in control while luffy is 99.9% dead (the 0.01% that's keeping him alive being joyboy)

[ripe geyser]

Ummm… I agree that #also-manga has light discussion. But I think it’s a stretch to call #manga discussion

Apologies for this reply in the theories channel.

[ripe geyser]

Okay this leaves me speechless. Not necessarily because I really agree or disagree with it but rather because I’m amazed by the effort

[pure raven]

hahahah yeah I like to put effort on some stuff

But what do you think about the content?

[ripe geyser]

Your idea of Zoan awakening is interesting

[pure raven]

I will take that

[ripe geyser]

With the regular and beast parts trying to merge in the same place

[pure raven]

yeah that's how I explain these things

[shell galleon]

just gonna bring this up kaido wanted to be like joyboy. Joyboy released slaves. Kaido made slaves and creates smiles. and from what he said at like 1017 i forgot the exact chapter but after he seemingly beat luffy like the second time he said " so you arent joyboy either". He have just given up on him being joyboy and instead trying to see if someone else would be him ...
if this is true the beast pirate alliance seems more and more likely

[tame mortar]

I do have similar theory about specifically Paramecia awakening. I once wrote about Paramecia classification back in manga-Dressrossa days, which categorizes into:
1. User have properties
Paramecia that grants an effect to their bodies. It could be affecting environment, but the main property is still owned by the body.
Examples:
Gomu-Gomu: Grant Rubber properties to the body
Kilo-Kilo: Grant weight-altering property to the body
Jiki-Jiki: Grant magnetism property to the body
Shibo-Shibo: Grant the ability to squeeze any substances to produce liquid

The example of the awakening in this type is to assign the properties to the environment, as in Jiki-Jiki.
So, the awakening of this type is to grant the properties into the surroundings.

2. User grants properties
Paramecia that grants effects to environments, be it living or non-living objects.
May or may not target self.
Examples:
Fuwa-Fuwa: Grant flying properties to environment, including self
Hira-Hira: Grant fluttering properties to environment
Juku-Juku: Grant maturing properties to environment including living things

There is no example yet for this type, and since it is already affecting the environment, the examples of awakenings would be redundant.
A possibility for awakening in this type is "To grant some object the ability to grant the properties".
Simply put, Fuwa-Fuwa user can grant a rock the Fuwa-Fuwa ability: Anything the rock touches will float.

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3. User controls objects
Paramecia that allows manipulation to one specific element.
The manipulation preserves even if the user is knocked out, because it does not grants new properties, but simply manipulate existing substance.
Examples:
Kage-Kage: Grants shadow manipulation.
Ishi-Ishi: Grants stone manipulation.
Soru-Soru: Grants soul manipulation.

Same case for number 2, affecting environment might be redundant for awakening.
A possibility for awakening is to transform a non-element into one.
For example, Ishi-Ishi user can turn non-stone object into stone, then manipulates it.

4. User produces objects
Paramecia that allows production of a substance.
Examples:
Ito-Ito: Grants string production.
Doru-Doru: Grants wax production.
Mochi-Mochi: Grants mochi production, with special case being able to turn into them.

Many awakenings are from this type, which turn environments into their substance.
It's pretty clear that awakening in this type is to turn environments into the substance.

[pure raven]

yeah my theory touches on a lot of this too. Pretty cool

On 3:

• perhaps the Kage is about the Shadow Revolution, inverting the rules: instead of the user manipulating the shadows themselves, he attaches the shadow to a person and can then manipulate the person!
  - Soru Soru would be similar, instead of manipulating the soul itself, you may manipulate someone's body with soul power. Like Big Mom possibly grabbing a homie's soul and making it rounder, and then the homie gets round too.

Moria's fruit is very special - he isn't a Shadow Human, but the Lord of Shadows. I believe Big Mom should also be the Lord of Souls, because the powers are so similar.

• Ishi, I think it could be similar to Ope Ope here. Give something (imagine a sword) the ability to assimilate stone, and then throw that sword into a block of stone ---> the stone gains the shape of the sword, the sword assimilated the stone. Practical use: uh... pretty much idk... trap people inside a stone body? having stone weapons?

[livid shuttle]

wait that would be so cool seeing law do that

[iron gull]

Yeah wasn’t able to comment earlier but I love the Logia awakening theory and it makes a lot of sense, I’ll prob add that to my headcanon lmao

[dusky flint]

I really think brook is related to aokiji

He uses ice attacks, they’re similar heights they have a similar hair texture theyre both kinda perverted

Im not saying father and son but maybe hes a nephew

[pale bridge]

Mihawk, zunesha and imu have the same eyes, maybe that's coz of thr ope ope no mi's eternal life surgery, coz we surely know 2 of them have eternal lives, mihawk might turn out to be something epic too and that would be the biggest foreshadowing ever, coz we know him from the very start

[dusky flint]

Hmm yea

Also mihawk seems to be associated with skulls and death a lot

[modest skiff]

Smile I will wait for you to finish your message since I have a big ole theory to post

[livid shuttle]

nvm then lol

what i was going to say was probably pointless lol

[modest skiff]

lol alright then

Theory: The importance of opening Wano can be understood by examining Earth's history of the largest volcanic eruption in history, in Indonesia

Preface: Oda has a thing for Indonesia, as evidenced by Joyoboyo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayabaya) and the 1815 eruption of Mount Tambora (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1815_eruption_of_Mount_Tambora)

Since Joyoboyo is more obvious, I will briefly elaborate on Mount Tambora.

The 1815 eruption of Mount Tambora closely matches what we know about the formation of the white sea, which appears to be from Mount Fuji erupting. Since the material which allows the white sea to operate as a solid comes from Pyrobloin, which comes from a volcano (Pagaya)

and we know all Pyrobloin originates from Wano (Hawkins)

we can conclude Mount Fuji is the source of the White Sea, which we are led to believe exists all around the world. Looking for clues, I googled around looking for any Indonesian volcanoes. As it turns out, the most intense recorded volcanic eruption was the 1815 eruption of Mount Tambora, which is in Indonesia. In 1815, this eruption was so intense that it shot material around the entire planet. Similarly, I believe the same happened in One Piece, forming the white sea and all other sky realms. I believe the reason Momo and Oden were terrified, insisting it was imperative Wano was opened, was because they learned the eruption of Mount Fuji is cyclic and that Wano needs to be evacuated prior to the next eruption. But they also need to make sure this eruption happens so as to bring about a new dawn. This new dawn will be created by an entirely new addition to the white sea system, perhaps even creating a path way to an elevation on par with the red line and Marie Jois.

We are told there are many levels to the entire white sea region. You can go up quite a ways, but we are never told how high up you can go. I believe the highest point in the series of white seas was created by the first eruption of Mount Fuji, the 2nd highest from the 2nd explosion and so on. A new, lower level of the white sea will be born from the next eruption and it will fundamentally change the world such that the strategic advantage of Marie Jois will be invalidated. Anyone will be able to travel to Marie Jois and any group will be able to escape if Imu tries to raise the sea level of the planet. Noah was created for this same purpose, to render the ancient kingdom immune to Imu’s ability to increase the sea level. Something went wrong and it didn’t work out.

Wano was designed to be an impenetrable fortress for the single purpose of defending Fuji until 800 years later, when the final eruption would take place to usher in a new dawn.

1. Wano needs to protect Mount Fuji so as to allow island dwellers the ability to live at an elevation comparable to Marie Jois because an evil power (Imu) has the ability to control the sea level of the planet

2. Mount Fuji erupting will destroy Wano, so everyone needs to leave

Kaido and BM will be the trigger that forces Mt Fuji to erupt. By crashing through a bunch of material, they will encourage Mt Fuji to erupt, which causes all the events I am describing.

IGNORE STUFF BELOW. IT IS OUTDATED. Just leaving here for the sake of preserving history

Now, getting to Luffy’s fruit: Hevea brasiliensis is a rubber tree which happens to grow in Indonesia. H. brasiliensis produces cyanogenic glycosides as a defense against fungus, which happens to align well with Luffy surviving being covered in mushrooms.

Rubber trees are tapped to produce sap. Vulcanization is performed to create rubber.

I believe Luffy’s hair in 1043 was beginning to turn into his “base form”, which is sap. From sap, he will gain other capabilities. This means Luffy’s fruit is not just rubber, but the ability to produce rubber. Luffy’s awakening will give him the power of a rubber tree rather than the ability to induce rubber properties in other items.

From here on out is where my theories get a little more “out there” and less credible. If Luffy is able to produce/turn into this sap-like substance, perhaps he can do a lot of things with this sap/resin/amber. Perhaps he will gain the ability to encapsulate objects/wills/souls the way that we commonly think of amber preserving mosquitos from prehistoric times. I really just don’t know. I honestly can’t think of what Luffy gains by turning into sap rather than rubber.

The main thing that made me think Luffy’s devil fruit may actually be a tree rather than rubber way long ago was the fact that trees are a big deal in One Piece. I couldn’t help but think trees would be a bigger and bigger deal as the story went along. Pringles picked up on this idea too and I appreciate them bringing these ideas forward and summarizing them, as it allowed me to better articulate/formulate my own theory.

In short, Luffy is the rubber tree, not the rubber. His ability to morph into sap is because he is fundamentally a tree. As for what it means to be a tree, I do not know. I’d love to hear what other people think.

@narrow hatch @sand sail @pure raven @primal cargo @edgy viper would love to hear your thoughts!!

@fluid basin as well since you wrote something similar recently

[snow herald]

Whats so powerful and legendary about resin in the one piece world? it's connection to trees, hence the trees adam and eve?
Yet powers like ope ope, yami yami, yomi yomi, gura gura are out there

[modest skiff]

Yes, I think that ultimately the resin is not the most important part, it is the thing that creates resin, the tree itself. One of my "out there" theories is that trees are the ones who can create devil fruits, which ends up being a form of immortality/reincarnation by taking a will/voice and allowing it to live again

[livid shuttle]

i am rereading robin's backstory and there has been something that kind of has been itching my mind. This probably isnt the first time someone brought this up so im sorry if this irrelevant. There are these lines saul says that go along "i dont know what justice is anyone, i just want to protect my friend. Be prepared. If you make me your enemy... There will be the devil to pay.". Of course these probably are just brave lines said by saul in a dark moment, but then there could be more. I have no idea if Saul as a character was a last minute accident or actually had a purpose but i am assuming oda did plan him. Obviously his main purpose would be being one of robin's main influencers as a person but he also is the first person robin ever met with a D in their name. The thing here is i think saul would have much more purpose than to just be the first figure in her life with a D in their name. I think saul wouldve dropped some lines that seem casual but also extremely important and we know that he has, such as the confirmation that the D in the name runs down the family and the hint that not all members of the D clan are necessarily related. So I am suggesting here that the line i quoted from Saul kind of reveals something about the characteristics of people from the D clan. Mostly the part "Be prepared. If you make me your enemy… There will be the devil to pay.". This could also lead onto other theories but im leaving it here for now.
anyways here is my useless theory, well not really a theory at all to be technical. just an interesting idea i had

[river pivot]

While reading the last part i thought what if this tree your talking about is the one one that holds devil fruit like the main trees seed. dosent make any sense it's just what came into my mind

[modest skiff]

I think that's totally possible. The swirl in Luffy's devil fruit is seen elsewhere

[livid shuttle]

the swirl in the devil fruits are definitely just what happens when a fruit contains the power of a devil fruit power, the devil fruits themselves were just fruits afterall

[modest skiff]

This is an interesting point and perhaps it ties into Roger saying "Don't worry, I'm not going to die" to Rayleigh

I think that Roger saying he won't die needs to be taken at face value. We might not understand what he meant, but I don't think he was bullshitting

[livid shuttle]

i have another idea while reading the enies lobby arc. what if garp joined because he wanted to know the truth or smthng. or maybe because of his friends. we do know that garp is pretty close to his buds

[snow herald]

A lot of people making theories about resin, trees, and crazy things like that. I don't see how something like that would be considered legendary by the WG, If they were even talking about the gomu gomu.
Here's what I think would be considered legendary!
Luffy now has the ability to erase things from reality.
The keshi keshi no mi. in Japanese, erasers are called keshigomu.

[livid shuttle]

about this, i really feel like its just something oda might do, put a vital hint inside a dramatic backstory that we all gloss over

[livid shuttle]

theres three problems. 1. erasers arent rubber 2. luffy isnt that kind of rubber (well we havent seen any proof he is) and 3. im not entirely sure that rubbers and erasers are called the same thing in japan

[snow herald]

rubber is gomu, eraser is keshigomu

[livid shuttle]

hmm ig but then there is also that luffy never demonstates such power

[snow herald]

doesnt have to be rubber. erasers are flexible, bendy, bouncy, they have 'rubber' like properties, just like mera and magu have similar properties

[modest skiff]

The eraser theory doesn't explain what was happening to Luffy's hair and why that looks similar to the silhouette of Nika's hair

[snow herald]

yeah im trying to connect joyboy to my theory now haha

[livid shuttle]

i really dont think luffy is an eraser, erasers arent rubber

[modest skiff]

The reason I went back to the whole tree/sap thing is that it explains Luffy's hair. The eraser theory feels like it died when Luffy's hair changed

[snow herald]

and gomu isnt just used for rubber in japanese

[livid shuttle]

but it is also kind of weird because erasers only erase stuff on paper, maybe luffy can do that, but it doesnt go along the same definition when he starts erasing people

[snow herald]

if he can erase things from history/reality, i'd consider that bloody well legendary

[pure raven]

we have already seen zoan awakening in impel down, they are basically permantely in a hybrid form but with higher stats and regeneration

[river pivot]

That would be impossible luffy dosent care about that

[snow herald]

I mean it's very unlikely my theory is going to come true, but I can dream 😄

[modest skiff]

yeah i think the eraser theory is pretty common

I thought it was possible as well, right up until Luffy's hair changed

[snow herald]

there are blutac like erasers too that can be molded 😄

[livid shuttle]

also there is something interesting about robin, whenever these, "ring eyed" theories come up, i feel like robin always gets left out eventhough we see robin drawn with ringed eyes, and sometines, the ringed eyes exaggerated in some panels

[river pivot]

If he can control his body as liquid rubber and change gears without any backlash that would be awesome

[snow herald]

@river pivot it would be cool and badass but would it be legendary enough for the WG to single out that power and change its name?

[river pivot]

Well i am not going that deep but i think it's possible after his df awakening😅

[modest skiff]

Since we aren't 100% sure the WG fruit and Luffy's are the same, I don't think we can use that as a requisite

Luffy's fruit being unique could be totally separate from the changed name fruit. It could still be Tama's, Robin's, Law's, Chopper's

[snow herald]

I have 2 ideas.

1. luffy awakens his df and can now erase things with his keshigomu powers. which would be ultra OP and legendary.
2. luffy awakens his df and he can now assimilate with the world around him like Pka but more competently. Which would be epic but I dont see the WG considering it legendary.

[grave sigil]

WG?

[river pivot]

I think it's amazing but if luffy is made super strong that would be waste cause after this he has only four opponents shanks, admiral, rebellion army, Blackbeard

With same power levels

[snow herald]

Yeah, I think the gorosei were talking about laws DF.
Or
They were talking about the strawhat itself.
I think the strawhat has a DF power(joy joy/nika nika), thats awakening and is going to be controlling luffy as joyboy. joyboy was infused/trapped with the strawhat somehow.

[torpid arrow]

If Luffy actually died wouldn’t the grand fleet find out from the vivre card and pull up on wano…

[serene pasture]

Kaido wanted to die a glorious death to see if he is Joy Boy. Turns out it's Luffy.

[snow herald]

Luffy got knocked out so cold, his voice vanished and the strawhat is taking over as joyboy.

[river pivot]

Hey luffy has adv conqueror haki it could be Joy is a personality not the person itself

[river pivot]

Now that you mention it the card should be half burn so they should be heading to wano

[snow herald]

We see how items can react with haki. so I think it could be possible that the strawhat is awakening after immense amounts of haki it has been in the presence of.

[river pivot]

That would be like cultivation mangas

[quiet siren]

luffys been out cold before though hasnt he

[river pivot]

But he didn't recover like now

[snow herald]

not like this. being hit with coc haki and also using coc attacks

[river pivot]

Anyone knows the Zoro Theory like how wanos sword reched to zoro

[livid shuttle]

i have an idea about people with of D. What if their power is giving someone their own power at the time of death or something along those lines, perhaps something like giving someone one skip at death or inheriting a power onto another. I will give some examples. Portgas D Rouge gave her son Ace her power before she died, which was actually when ace was going to die. In this way Ace inherited the "Portgas" instead of "Gol".Jaguar D Saul kind of gave it all for robin putting his hopes in her, sacrificing his friend for the hope that she gets friend, sacrificing his life so robin continues hers. Robin inherited his laugh and post timeskip robin also has giant hands so idk. Ace kind of put his will on Luffy. In theory, if this idea was true, then Obviously gol d roger would give his power to his son, the person he would want to be the pirate king, so when ace dies, he may have given that power to luffy. And luffy also kind of inherits his fire attack, idk.

[tired vine]

I think luffy also has two souls like blackbeard but he is the good version. Thats why his will of D or the D in his name is different from the D in Blackbeards name.

So luffy has his own soul as well as joyboys soul in him

[livid shuttle]

My idea here is that, luffy is basically dead in the latest chapter, but that was when joyboys power kicked into him

[errant nova]

Pretty interesting to think about Joyboy being a sovereign akin to how Shirahoshi is Poseidon

[lapis trail]

Do yall think that each admiral having an op fruit is a bit weird

[frozen birch]

joyboy is vegapunk

[oblique flume]

where are y'all placing Law, Kid and Zoro after their respective fights?

[reef nest]

What

[river pivot]

Zoro is from east blue his sword was made in wano so ho did the sword get to east blue

[serene pasture]

Kuinas grandfather made it

He's from wano

[reef nest]

Kozaburo was the one who made it, might as well made it when he was in Wano, that isn't Zoro's sword too it's Oden's

[river pivot]

I am not talking about shi sui

[reef nest]

Im talking about Enma itself

[river pivot]

I am talking about wado echimonji

[river pivot]

Not that one

[serene pasture]

Kozaburo, kuina's grandfather, is from wano

[reef nest]

Kozaburo might as well just travelled with it

[river pivot]

Yeah bro got it thanks you

[muted valley]

While Kuina's gdad made it, and Zoro had a relation with him. I wouldn't say it's zoro sword because of that relationship. It most certainly is His sword now since he was given it. But zoro just had a connection to Wano and the blacksmith. Whixh may have some more impact later on.

[reef nest]

I was talking about Enma, but yeah maybe you're right about Wado too

[muted valley]

I may have misunderstood your statement, but was just clarifying that

[muted valley]

I was talking Enma too

[wind steppe]

"Gear 5: Tiger-Man", Luffy oil-properties manifesting will reassemble a tiger, similarly as steam reassembled a snake in his Snake-man form.

[reef nest]

😭

[river pivot]

Dosen't lion sound better

[wind steppe]

Yeah, I would prefer lion too; matches perfectly with the one remaining animal during his time-skip training

However, tiger seems a bit ahead atm. So hyped for the next chapter

But we are totally not getting the big news in the next one, most probably during the one after that

[tall creek]

I think gear 5th will have somthing to do with monkeys

as in his name monkey d luffy

[chilly path]

Seems pretty interesting. I have wondered if everyone assumed Ace would be Joyboy because he was Roger’s next generation

Then when Shanks met Luffy and fate unfolded before him he realised (presumably knowing Luffy and Ace were ‘brothers’) that Ace was to influence Luffy who would likely be the true Joyboy

Roger entrusted his hat to shanks to pass onto Ace, as a symbol of being the Joyboy, but perhaps Shanks recognised that wasn’t correct

[viscid anvil]

damn, this is actually believable

[civic rock]

Lol. Kaido wants to attack whitebeard. And shanks stopped him. Lols

[umbral summit]

Waiting for Enel

[livid shuttle]

But what if ace was the joyboy but passed down that role to luffy. #manga-theories message

[chilly path]

That’s a cool idea actually. What if all ‘D’s had the potential to be Joyboy. Would take away this prophetic one element from Luffy specifically

[livid shuttle]

Thats also another idea, my idea was that the role of joyboy passed from whoever to roger to ace to luffy

Ive just thought of something, the will of D, Jaguar D Saul’s will was for Robin to find friends one day. Portgas D Rouge’s will was basically for Ace to be born. Ace’s will was basically for Luffy to become the pirate king. Just an interesting idea.

[warm edge]

Wado Ichimonji was made by that guy taking care of Tama

[livid shuttle]

There might be some misinterpretations too

[warm edge]

The will of D is definitely about freedom

[chilly path]

Free D om

[cursive zinc]

DJ oy Boy

[chilly path]

The will of free but over time misinterpreted to Will of D

[livid shuttle]

I wouldnt say its definitely about freedom

[warm edge]

Its the will of Cheese

[livid shuttle]

Wait i just realise i dont remember ever seeing cheese in one piece

[unreal trellis]

Luffy uses rubber in such creative ways that it’s almost hard to make the argument that his fruit is rubber…

[tepid minnow]

I saw some theory that luffy could be using 2 devil fruits because he's 2 people similar to the theory about blackbeard

But that wouldn't make sense because it's stated luffy was a good swimmer

Unless he ate it after the gomu gomu no mi

[livid shuttle]

Nah its bad theory, there is notiing suggesting that he ate two fruits

[pure raven]

Wouldn't someone die if they ate 2 DFs? BB is a different case obviously though.

[livid shuttle]

I honestly think blackbeard actually used his yama yama abilities to take white beard devil fruit power and thats why blackbeard wanted the fruit so much

[wet glade]

not many people knew he was Roger's son

[livid shuttle]

Someone eats the explode explode fruit: (explodes)

[wet glade]

How did the other Yonkos come to know about Joyboy? Also what do they plan to do with their polenglyph cuz only Nico robin can read them?

and how did they come to know about Joyboy cuz he was only mentioned in the polenglyph for now

[pure raven]

I think joy boy is not only limited to the poneglyphs. The WG surely knows about him, Whos Who knew who Nika is, Neptune also knew about Joy boy and told Nico Robin about it.

I think Joyboy is considered a myth.

[livid shuttle]

Well

I think its like CP-0 either u know it or dont know it but not in between

[wet glade]

Oh yea I forgot about Neptune makes sense now

Has anyone seen the ohara theory ?

[livid shuttle]

Hmm?

[warm edge]

Best theory not capping

[livid shuttle]

What if the noah is going to be the ship for the grand fleet? That would be cool

[white pilot]

I believe that it is based on the god Hanuman. The monkey god. He can change his body as he likes, big, small, light, heavy and immune to lightning. He is the son of the wind god. Also, he has the ability to win and subdue anyone.
Would go very well with Luffy
Considering that Dragon (his father) might have a wind fruit... ?
Incidentally, the story of Hanuman also features the sun, a thunderbolt, darkness, and an elephant which he mistook for a fruit

[cedar venture]

where can i post a theory?

[tepid coral]

You can post it here if it's a serious one

[cedar venture]

its quite long

[tepid coral]

Sure

You can post it

It shouldn't have other series references btw

[wet glade]

We can just say that luffy's character is based on Hanuman. I'll agree with that. But he having Hito hito no mi : Hanuman model is too far fetched imo

[cedar venture]

JOYBOY AWAKEN
With the latest manga chapter, we see Luffy's hair is somewhat melting but not his entire body as shown. The Devil and devil fruit has started to awaken within Luffy's body - Joyboy.
Something is different on those smile. The smile is silent. The only way i can explain this someone/something awaken within Luffy. It is another personality that lives within him. There's a reason why Luffy's eyes wasnt shown in that panel. I believe Joyboy has the same eyes as Zounesha/Cavendish or Hakuba/ Im or Mihawk(a theory i believe somewhere has been posted already to back this up why would they ONLY SHOW ONE EYE OF IM) there is always a reason one piece and everything is not a coincidence.
To back this up, Zounesha's crime was unknown to the elephant himself. It only indicates that Zou was not in control while doing crime and that is why the elephant was made to walk until a new Joyboy emerge.
Luffy died after the last attack from Kaido becaues if he is still alive then Kaido and momonuske would know as they can hear/feel his presence, but unlike any other devil user's deaths - Luffy's heart was not damage nor broken since he is entirely made of rubber. It was believed that after eating a devil fruit, the devil would reside in the heart of it's user.
ALL THESE DEVIL FRUIT USERS DIED.

1. Ace and Whitebeard died with a hole in their chest.
2. Kozuki Toki's whole body was burned.
3. Absalom died for unknown reason but his devil fruit has been stolen by BB pirates.
4. Koruzumi Higurashi was smashed like a potato by Kaido.
5. Rosinante was shot in the back.
6. Mother Caramel was eaten alive.
7. Monet was stabbed directly in the heart.
   To properly awaken Joyboy, It has to be on the perfect place Onigashima/Wano a very mysterious island, a devil-fruit user who died but most important is his heart is still intact and the body can be revived.

[viscid anvil]

like yeh, but look at it this way too, Kaido has King, queen, jack, joker(doflamingo who was actually supposed to meet luffy and team in wano originally, and the thing he needed was an ace and ofc I am actually telling this isn't a bad idea, i am not telling this is exactly why kaido went to the war, this is just a fun way to look at it

[wet glade]

so luffy is dead and now it'll be joyboy that's your theory?

[inner swift]

What is the obsession with Luffy not being a rubber boy? Just kinda curious

[stoic dirge]

I think there are many religious references in One Piece, I was thinking that the Devil Fruits originate from something like the Tree in Adam and Eves Genesis and the origin of the orignal sin ( I don't remember the name) exactly

[cedar venture]

his body revived so he will comeback

for now its joyboys turn

[wet glade]

the gorosei saying the fruit was named something else lol

[stoic dirge]

i still side with joyboy as a personality, something like true enlightenment? joyboy in void century wasn't joyboy until a few years into the void century perhaos?

[viscid anvil]

bro kaido used haki and his strongest attack, so I don't think luffy's rubber body helps here

[inner swift]

I’m still at marine Ford lol

[viscid anvil]

tho I agree his heart isn't destroyed

[stoic dirge]

lmao major spoilers then don't come here ig

[inner swift]

Isn’t it just ‘a’ fruit and not his?

NGL I’ve heard everything spoiled for me so really I’m along for the ride

[wind steppe]

I don't think that we are getting to see any obsession/reincarnation scenarios tbh, Luffy is luffy with his dream. Oda won't do Naruto/Black Cloverish maneuvers IMO

[wet glade]

if you read manga you would know cuz everything makes sense now

[inner swift]

Just certain details is all

[stoic dirge]

you have defo not heard everything, every detail matters

[wet glade]

this

[viscid anvil]

bro close discord and don't come to the chat's server until ur in wano atleast, op is best without spoilers, tho i am guessing u have got a room of spoilers already

[cedar venture]

forgot to post this as well

[wet glade]

ikr

[cedar venture]

THE GOMU-GOMU NO MI
it has been indicated that there is a fruit whose name was changed. It is none other than the gomu-gomu no mi or should I say the legendary tree-tree no mi model world tree.(Tressure tree ADAM/Sun light tree EVE).
Luffy and the World Tree

• The world tree is a rubber tree.
• Rubber by natural is lightning-resistant
• As it was explained by franky, it adam wood can withstand fire and cannonball attacks
• As also explained by Franky, People are also drawn near the tree, just like luffy, people are drawn to him friends and enemies.
• Eve has the ability to breathe air through the surface and produce sap (Luffy while he is sleeping) lol
• In Romance dawn v1, the gomu-gomu no mi was meant to be grown from a mysterious free. Its only a speculate as Oda's has been merging the original concepts into the cannon story in someway. (Just like how ROC was able to get to main story).
• The world tree is also massive and so as Luffy can make his body parts like a giant.
• The liquid material you see in Luffy's hair is only sap, when a tree is damage it is normal to excrete a white sticky liquid substance. Luffy's blood excreting on his wounds is sap.

[inner swift]

It would be really funny if the fruit they were talking about isn’t Gomu gomu and ended up being like Bon Claus fruit

[stoic dirge]

let's gooo my theory is explained further as well gg

[wind steppe]

Agreed, dont spoil the epicness of this series. Live it 100% and then come back here for discussion

[chilly path]

As long as his fruit isn’t fucking resin I’m fine with it

[wind steppe]

Are you good with just Oil Oil no-mi?

[cedar venture]

how do i post this on reddit?

[chilly path]

The idea that the big scary fruit the government were trying to conceal was ‘resin’ is laughable

[white pilot]

i think oda has thought about all these theories just so he can use another if they are revealed

[wind steppe]

Yeap, it's a logical deduction though but Oda don't do "logical" staff anyways

[stoic dirge]

just copy paste text on there idk

[wind steppe]

Uranus is such a pun-friendly word

[cedar venture]

ll take a screenshot of the whole theory then post it here

[chilly path]

The fruit is like an ass

[stoic dirge]

what exactly is pluton, poseidon and uranus
Like is poseidon reincarnated in shirahoshi
and is pluton a boat or something idk what they mean by BP
and then there's uranus what is it

[stoic dirge]

Gear 3, increase the size of uranus

[stoic dirge]

i may be really wrong, my memory is kinda rusty

so what is poseidon, just some being?shirahoshi i mean

[swift patrol]

Imo if someone has uranus it’s dragon. Makes sense that the last piece of the puzzle to destroy the grand line is to change the weather, and dragon literally changes the weather wherever he goes.

[hybrid glacier]

Guys do you believe Luffy died even for a little or his heart stopped in the latest chapter?

[stoic dirge]

ah gotchu, it might be fitting however, poseidon controls the underwater, pluton controls the land and anything on the surface while uranus controls the skies and above

[stoic dirge]

clinically dead, definitely

[hybrid glacier]

Because he didn't had a smile on his face when he "died" , D clan members die with a smile right?

[swift patrol]

There are people saying luffy has the water logia and I can see why they would think that. But idk seems odd. Since ha hasn’t shown the same intangibility that other logias have, except for the yami yami. But that would explain gears to some extent and the steam

[wet glade]

red hawk does he explains it's due to friction

[swift patrol]

I mean with the melting panel I can see that happening, but we have to wait I agree

[worthy sinew]

Atmospheric friction on fast moving haki clad fists
Also anime logic lol

[stoic dirge]

It might just be something like katakuri

[quiet trellis]

He could probs make it look like a logia like katakuri

[primal cargo]

This is good, I do wonder why there had to be layers to the white sea as that didn't really lead to anything during the Skypiea arc. This volcano idea explains it very well, as well as where the Kozuki of 800 years ago got the fire to forge the Poneglyph.
I also agree that opening up Wano should be about letting the people leave rather than letting outsiders in, since the "don't leave" part had been emphasised way more, and since "the people of Wano being free" is the only real difference between Kaido's plan (a pirate stronghold) and what we want.
Though I'm not sure how that fits with Oden's actions. Why couldn't he tell everyone that catastrophe was coming? Even if he had won and opened Wano's borders, it's not like the entire population would have emigrated on their own.

[swift patrol]

I mean think about it though. Sabo knew what the fruit was and did, and used it as ace did. Liffy was told “hey you’re rubber now” so he took it at face value and used it as rubber. Could be that to use a fruit effectively you have to know what it does, to some extent? So he thought it was rubber and used it as such, but we’ve already had confirmation that rubber really doesn’t work like that, by kaido and doflamingo

[cedar venture]

how do i upload photos?

[swift patrol]

I agree that it is unlikely but now we kinda have to accept the fact that whatever fruit it is it’s not rubber and luffy has been using it wrong and making the most out of it. Which is cool as hell imo, really shows how much of a fighting genius he is

[edgy viper]

For some weird reason Discord decided not to ping me with this amazing read

[swift patrol]

True could be. Wouldn’t make much sense though, to hide just the name but have its powers as they are in a fruit encyclopedia right? Like if people knew the ancient history and the gum gum is just gum, the name change wouldn’t do much

[edgy viper]

I need to wrap my head around a few of the points you make, but at first glance this is extremely solid

What you are saying about Mt. Tabora I think is spot on. The White Sea being a product of Fuji erupting just makes so much sense

[grizzled edge]

I have a very interesting theory and it's most likely to happen

Big Mom came to Wano with most of her crew leaving Katakuri, Pudin and Brulee on Whole Cake Island. So right now will be the perfect time for Blackbeard to invade. In the process Katakuri will lose resulting in kidnapping of Pudin and road poneglyph will get stolen. And that's when Pudin might start to hear "Voice of all things". And for life of Katakuri she will help Blackbeard.

[cedar venture]

yes but i cant see upload a photo button

[edgy viper]

As for the Wanoese leaving
When rereading I noticed Yamato saying somethin interesting during her fight with Kaido
She literally says she's gonna "unleash the Samurai of Wano unto the world"

[swift patrol]

No yeah but my point is. If the powers are just rubber right, why reveal it. If the fruit is a menace to the wg, why change the name but not what it can do? Like either the name of the fruit is dangerous, which makes no sense really since only the people who know the ancient history know who/what nika/joyboy is, or what it does is dangerous. I think it’s the latter, and if that’s the case why just tell everyone what it does? Like people who know the ancient history know what it is regardless of name change, and if the gum powers are really a threat to the wg why give everyone the knowledge of that?

Like say you have an awesome sword that can cut through space time. If you rename it “boring pooper” in an encyclopedia but leave the “cutting space time” ability in, does it matter if the sword is not called “the sword of annihilation” or something?

[pure raven]

Maybe because of it's awakening. EG if it was a legendary fruit and had it's original name people like BB would be sought after it. With it called gomu gomu no mi which was basically labeled as a fruit that nobody wants nobody will try to look after it and it would basically be in the hands of a nobody. Except Luffy got it.

[swift patrol]

Clearly its abilities are important though bc the wg guarded it with cp9 and all. And I really don’t think the wg cares about a rubber fruit

[pure raven]

WG didn't bother with Luffy till they knew he was in line with Dragon. You remember how dedicated Akainu was to killing luffy that the guy literally turned his back to WB.

[swift patrol]

I mean he also kinda stormed marineford so there’s that

[cedar venture]

Few of my best theories

[pure raven]

Also I remember someone stating that some panel said that the gomu gomu no mi was like 5 bill berries?

[swift patrol]

But idk. What really makes no sense to me is how gear 3 works. Inflating his bones? That makes 0 sense.That shouldn’t make things hit harder

[lunar perch]

I think the fruit in particular has something to do with wanokuni, maybe it can only be awakened in a certain place

[pure raven]

Well it could, air still has density and weight.

[swift patrol]

Maybe it’s the giant giant fruit? Would make sense with gear 3 and gear 4 to some extent

But why melting? oda you madman just give us the answer

[pure raven]

Many resin theories around atm.

[lunar perch]

A mythical zoan would be a better fruit, as it is the most rare fruit

[cedar venture]

have a read at my theory eveything makes sense

[swift patrol]

Mythical zoan is a possibility and it has legs, especially with the hyogoro comment of luffy resembling a wisdom king

[pure raven]

Gear 4 is basically elasticity + hardening. Kind of like a car tire, extremely hard yet in a way it's flexible.

[swift patrol]

Yeah but that shouldn’t really make sense. Think about it. I can inflate something, but it doesn’t become more massive or heavier, it becomes lighter because of the air inside. With armament haki that doesn’t matter, but gear 3 without armament still clapped lucci using tekkai, which doesn’t make any sense if 90% of the arm is just air

[pure raven]

Well idk, when a tire smokes a lot it starts to wear out much faster. Like when you drift or race, you put so much load on the tire that it's heat goes up and it's traction becomes bad and it's pressure increases.

The way he can fly doesn't make sense at all though.

[swift patrol]

But it would make sense if the ability is not rubber but it’s stretching. Increasing or decreasing the size of your body, arms etc

[lunar perch]

If you inflate something with that amount of air, and the external surface of the inflated object is not weak, it'll pack a punch brother, with inflation the first thing that comes to our mind is baloon, but here it is skin which is being inflated

[pure raven]

Iirc every part of his body is air.

Well he can still get cut and get internal ruptures.

[swift patrol]

I mean not really? The inflated object would just break and nothing happens

[lunar perch]

Well, i could punch you with my inflated skin but unfortunately no can do😂

[pure raven]

But what curates me is that rubber is not infinitely stretchy. It has a break point, as do every string and rubber band do. When stretched to a certain point it can never return back to normal. It could just be anime logic.

[quiet trellis]

Thats from romance dawn vol 2

[hybrid glacier]

Wasn't that about op op fruit (Laws DF)

[pure raven]

Nope talking about the gomu gomu no mi specifically

This? That don't look canon to me.

[quiet trellis]

Gomu gomu no mi was worth 5B according to romance dawn volume 2

[pure raven]

Yeah it was.

[swift patrol]

Eh I think most doubts are solved if we think of his ability (passive maybe, like marco’s flames) as stretching/size change rather than rubber per se. Gear 3 makes sense, gear 4 makes sense, gear 2 still needs the steam to power his attacks which I don’t know how to explain though

[quiet trellis]

Its not canon

[hybrid glacier]

Yeah but that's not the real story

[pure raven]

Oda wrote it right? Maybe the plot is not canon but the common ground where this specific plot is built up to be is canon? Idk

[hybrid glacier]

In the real storyline op op fruit costs 5 billion on the black market

[swift patrol]

Also yeah where does the steam come from. In gear 2 luffy steams like crazy, which makes no sense if he’s just pumping blood faster

[quiet trellis]

Ur body goes warm when ur blood pumps

[swift patrol]

Yeah but to the point of steaming? Is he evaporating the water in his body? And is that water enough to power his jet attacks?

[quiet trellis]

Luffy is rubber so his heartrate exceeds the normal by far

[pure raven]

Maybe because of heat extraction, when u stretch rubber vigorously it starts to become hot or heats up.

[swift patrol]

Gear 2 is based around water, which is really odd for a rubber fruit ngl.

[quiet trellis]

Drive 200 mph for 2 min and touch ur tires, it will be hot asf

[pure raven]

That’s different, that’s from friction.

[swift patrol]

Jet attacks, steam, pumping (like how you pump water?) that’s really different from gear 3 where water/steam doesn’t matter anymore and it’s just big boi

[cedar venture]

https://www.reddit.com/user/Any_Turnip_6318/comments/tcdwy7/1042/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[pure raven]

Elastic energy is converted to Kinetic energy and the loss of energy from tgat movement turns into heat energy.

[swift patrol]

But also he can mix and match gears as he did against hody

[quiet trellis]

Realisticaly, luffy should have melted a long time ago if G2 makes him steam

180c

[pure raven]

Well rubber does burn, the way red roc works from a logical stand point (not applicable to anime or fictional logic) is that it uses extreme velocity to produce heat. Like when something from space enters orbit, luffy coats himself with haki to not burn his self as well.

[swift patrol]

If he were rubber maybe. But he’s clearly not at this point, I think it’s clear from doffy and kaido’s comments that it’s not really rubber

[pure raven]

Depends on the kind of rubber.

[swift patrol]

We’ll see but one thing’s for sure. I miss afro boxing luffy

[pure raven]

I miss air head luffy.

[quiet trellis]

Silicone melts at 1410 celsius

[pure raven]

Air head luffy was a weird thing tbh. Maybe observation haki is about reading or understanding the voice inside someone and when you’re mentally unconscious observation haki does not work?

[swift patrol]

Could very much be the case. If enel was using future sight there’s nothing to read if head empty

[wet glade]

He inhereted the will of ace

[pure raven]

Did he though?

[lime cape]

Whatever his fruit is, it must be explained how he is immune against electricity

[swift patrol]

Didn’t sabo say “ace told me to say X” when using the mera mera in dressrosa

[quiet trellis]

If he wasnt rubber he wouldnt have been able to fight enel

[stoic dirge]

I love the thing that previous df users imprint and pass down their characteristics to the future user (similar to genes but in this case, the will) thus it will make sense of joyboy and Nika both had gomu gomu

[lime cape]

One for all

[wet glade]

friction of rubber

[pure raven]

Enel is a major power house. Man defeated every SH easily, except for Luffy lmao.

[swift patrol]

Not really, if it’s the mythical zoan model hanuman. In the myth he’s immune to lighting

[wet glade]

joyboy nika could be one person

[pure raven]

Doubt that, otherwise Bartolomeo may have inherited the old guy who protected the old women from Oden. Or BB would have inherited WBs will.

[quiet trellis]

Can hanuman stretch his limbs for miles though?

[lime cape]

I think the inherent will is the copy of the genki dama in one piece, do you imagine a punch charged by all the D. ?

[pure raven]

Not odas style tbh

[wet glade]

Hanuman can become a giant but stretching a particular limb is not his thing. He can stretch his tail tho.

It's definitely not a df thing It depends on the people who they wish to inherit

[tepid coral]

@lime capeThis channel is only for theories discussions, if u wanna send gifs you can do so in any other chat

[wet glade]

@tepid coral are you always lurking💀? Are you bot

[tepid coral]

I am a staff

Helper to be precise

[wet glade]

This here is enough proof man
Doubt that, otherwise Bartolomeo may have inherited the old guy who protected the old women from Oden. Or BB would have inherited WBs will.

[wet glade]

you are doing a fine job man

[tepid coral]

Thanks : )

[wet glade]

lol bro sorry you good now?

[jolly mortar]

There is no such thing as memories being shared by the same devil fruit user or wills. This isn't attack on titan

[white pilot]

yeah but attacks, sabo for example used a fire fist without knowing it was a attack ace used before

[vital quiver]

This is a dumb theory, but What if It's actually Caribou (The gouuwyyy thing). He bought a meat for luffy then Luffy smiles because he smells the meat and then said NIKA instead of NIKU because he got knocked out. Lol.
(Sorry if my english is bad)

[wet glade]

exactly sabo never saw ace using his powers

[sand nebula]

when does the spoilers come out

[white pilot]

for the next chapter?

[quiet trellis]

Break

[sand nebula]

yeah

[white pilot]

next tuesday

[sand nebula]

ik ok

[cedar venture]

@tepid coral pin https://www.reddit.com/user/Any_Turnip_6318/comments/tcdwy7/1042/

[tepid coral]

Yeah I don't get you, you want it to be pinned?

[sand nebula]

lol

[foggy iris]

What if it was Bon Chan awakening being able to use the Gear 4

[cedar venture]

why not

[sand nebula]

[worthy sinew]

Well ace's alias was literally fire fist and sabo did know about him just did not remember his connection to him

[tepid coral]

We don't really pin reddit theories like that, it would be appreciated if u come up with your own theories and request them to be pinned.Also pinning in this channel is not upto me, you have to ask evan for pinning any theories

[cedar venture]

its mine

nvermind

[tepid coral]

You can copy it in text format and send it here then and have a discussion too also chapter number is 1043 ,so it would be cool if u correct that

[white pilot]

agree

[grizzled river]

wäh

[stoic dirge]

Any new theories?

[foggy iris]

I have a random one, but not a big deal

Its about this drawing from Oda actually being Joy Boy in Luffy's body https://i.imgur.com/0soARoy.jpg

I briefly detailed the theory here, but as I said its just random thoughts https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/tcda9b/1043_theory_luffys_eyepatch/

[split glacier]

We don't necessarily know that. The absence of evidence isn't the evidence of absence. There's been few users in the series using a current known previous DF

[pure raven]

my theory is people of d. were about to be wiped, but with technology (like vegapunk) theyve manifested their souls into fruits, so they could live forever and one day come back to attack world goverment, that destroyed them 800years ago

prove me wrong

they also had the 3weapons so they were pretty smart its also been said they were the smartes civ back then

[foggy iris]

I mean, Smile is able to transfer animal souls into fruits

But idk if I would like that theory being the case

[pure raven]

but i think also, if u know christian mythology, there is always a case where someone sells his soul to the devil, to get powers or their wishes, but they have to pay a heavy price, so i also think that is included

[foggy iris]

Would have been easier to travel with Toki's df

[pure raven]

because japanese are known for mythologies like that used in anime

would make total sense devil fruit get power but also u cant swim

[livid shuttle]

I cant really prove u wrong but i can say that theories that are bits of important stuff stringed together just because they are all mystery and we have no info about them, arent good theories

I cant prove u wrong, but can u prove to me its right?

[pure raven]

it was more said jokingly

prove me wrong as like, bring some counter arguments

[livid shuttle]

I can say as a christian thats wrong but i think i know what ur getting at

[pure raven]

pf its not, ive learned that in school in a christian country

i can even show you one, where he sells his sons to the devil

[livid shuttle]

Actually the people who were called “demon posessed” were disabled people, mentally and physicaly

[pure raven]

omg youre so dumb

[livid shuttle]

Is it from the bible?

[pure raven]

thats not what im talkin about, its like greek mythology, stories that been told, no its not from the bible

its a mythology

[dire tangle]

Isn't this weird? If you're presenting a theory the impetus is on you provide evidence to back it up. You can't just say something ask everybody else to prove you wrong lol

[livid shuttle]

Im not buying it lol, its more likely to be made up

[pure raven]

OFC ITS MADE UP ITS A MYTHOLOGY

[fervent flax]

My dream is to party with the entire world

[livid shuttle]

I wouldnt be sure about it being a christian myth then, rather a traditional one

[pure raven]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deal_with_the_Devil

it is very common knowledge, very common

as well as being elemental to many Christian traditions

[livid shuttle]

Oh wait im dumb i know what u mean

[pure raven]

all good

[livid shuttle]

The “christian mythology” part threw me off lol. U couldve just said dealing with the devil

[pure raven]

yes but ive learned it as christian mythology in school, we had this story of a man who sold his soul, got wealth but in return he said hell give away his third born son, thinking hell never get a son

but then he got his third born son, and the devil took him away

the moral was dont do business with the devil basically

[livid shuttle]

Adtually that might be a parable, (might be) not so much about dealing with the devil, but probably more about dealing with tempt

[pure raven]

yes that sounds good

I remember he traded his weat for gold something like that but i was a child

so i dont remember it well

[burnt trellis]

so this is literally a crapshoot theory and someone might have already thought of this, but: what if the holder of a devil fruit becomes the devil that inhabits the fruit when they die? that could be a good explanation for joyboys association with the gum gum fruit

meaning there is no special fruit, its just the gum gum fruit and joyboy just so happens to have been the previous owner, his spirit now inside the fruit, a mere coincidence

[pure raven]

u mean gom gom is special the rest is not?

but why do they die when 2 souls clash inside of a person, there are obv souls inside those frutis

[stoic dirge]

I don't think he specifically is in there, but more like characteristics or traits are 'imprinted' on the fruit which are passed down to the next user

[burnt trellis]

yeah, something along those lines

maybe the user gets to leave their memories or their will or something at their time of death

[pure raven]

i feel like doflamingo knows the truth, he even awakened his fruit

[burnt trellis]

this way i think it wouldnt make the gum gum fruit a super special fruit, if joy boy had used another fruit, that fruit would have been special instead

[pure raven]

isnt dofy the only one yet to awaken his? or did law awaken too

[foggy iris]

Sounds a lot like SnK and Boku no Hero

[foggy iris]

Impel Down Zoan guards were awakened aswell

And there's a theory about Monster Chopper being a forced awakening

[pure raven]

but werent they like that because the fruits are just scuffed

im talkin about a normal fruit awakend by the user himself

[foggy iris]

Law and Kid, yeah

Maybe Kaido since Zoan awakening its supposed to be about endurance and recovery

[abstract pond]

Katakuri is awakened too iirc

[pure raven]

what is kids awaking?

[abstract pond]

Making other things magnetic

[pure raven]

and laws what did they get?

[foggy iris]

Right

[pure raven]

but seems like only paramecia users have awakened

[abstract pond]

Zoan guards on impel down are awakened zoans

[pure raven]

wait zoan awakening can revive

[foggy iris]

Pell awakening confirmed

[pure raven]

okay, so logia is the only one we dont know

[foggy iris]

I dont think Crocodile meant revive, but recover from a terrible condition

[pure raven]

ahhh that makes more sense

[foggy iris]

As Jack did to fight Inuarashi iirc, but maybe its was just Oda giving that power to everyone that its not in a flashback

[modest topaz]

more like their recovery rate is much faster

[pure raven]

but they have to be permanent animal like beings and the guards looked like they didnt have much brainpower

unlike the other awakenings that didnt have such downsight

[modest topaz]

that's why they are awakened Zoan users

[pure raven]

maybe logias are already awakened?

[modest topaz]

they are becoming more animalistic

[modest topaz]

Logias can change their surroundings based on their element alone

[foggy iris]

Would be disappointing

[native coral]

Read this theory

[pure raven]

but weve never seen how someone actually awakens his fruit, only the after

[native coral]

https://www.reddit.com/user/Any_Turnip_6318/comments/tcdwy7/1042/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

[modest topaz]

Didn't Crocodile demonstrate his awakening when he uses in Alabasta to turn the castle into sand

[pure raven]

i wish wed get to see an awakening live

[foggy iris]

In fact, Yami Yami no mi its a logia, so maybe well learn about Logia's awakening with Blackbeard

[pure raven]

no I mean how they get their awakening not what the awakening can do

yes yami yami is very interesting

[pure raven]

Not that fast , it's only been 2 years since he ate it

@native coral i read the theory and give u feedback

[pure raven]

We aren't sure if it was awakened

but i already tell u I dont like the resin theory

"the devil would reside in the heart of it's user." this part is not true, but ill read through first

[foggy iris]

He lives twice the time than a normal person (?)

[edgy viper]

So I absolutely love the idea of Fuji erupting to create a new lawyer of Sky Islands
This reminds of when in Skypiea Gan Fall was utterly baffled by the fact the Straw Hats came via Knock Up Stream. Apparently there is a less dangerous route called "island hopping" that was never elaborated on

[modest topaz]

Prolly when Apoo and his crew unknowingly running mid air in an island we don't know

[foggy iris]

Also, that guy knows a lot about df and its the only one who knew how to eat two at the same time. I dont think its that weird seeing a BB awakening

He knew a lot about the yami yami before eating it

[pure raven]

https://i.stack.imgur.com/WqwV8.jpg

[edgy viper]

There's two things that I'm wondering about tho:

1. straight forward, how do you make sure a volcano erupts? What's the formula?

2. I don't think Momo knows that much to be honest. It feels weird to assume he knows Wano is up to be destroyed yet wants to yield to Kaido for the safety of his people. That doesn't fit.

[pure raven]

it never says that devil fruits are inside of the heart, the whole theory is a mess

[quiet wedge]

Mentos

[native coral]

Its good hey

[livid shuttle]

You mean, what if he didnt eat it but used the yami yami powers to absorb whitebeards power?

[edgy viper]

Aside from that I'm basically on board with everything you said @modest skiff
Gonna go more in detail on your statements regarding the Gomu Gomu's awakening later

[pure raven]

it emphasized too much on the fact that df are inside the heart, eventho it has never been said that it is that way

[native coral]

I had photos with it . Mistakenly uploaded a draft

[livid shuttle]

Its a good theory but i dont think its correct

Dont worry tho, good theories dont have to be true

[pure raven]

and comparing aces, hit into the clear stomach/center of his body, to his heart is a far stretch

https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.XcQp3crN32-NSYrYELTZswHaFS

https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.ksJddJpxHF1VvMhW27iVdwHaFE well u can argue it hit his heart too

but id like to see, where in the manga it says that devil fruits are inside of the heart?

wouldnt stomach make more sense they eat that sht

i couldnt find the information googling it, so i think its your assumption, which u presented as facts in your theory tbh, as if this was common knowlodge that df are inside of the heart, and u based the whole theory on that...

[blazing oracle]

luffy is not joy boy..maybe similar in charisma

[foggy iris]

Now it looks like it is

[native coral]

Only a theory as BB ate WB heart and stole his power

[pure raven]

ate his heart?????

[abstract pond]

The tobi roppo could all be awakened zoans. Specially ulti. She took a lot of damage and kept going.

[pure raven]

he def did not eat wb heart

[native coral]

He covered WB body first - that was his secret

a theory

[pure raven]

this is also speculative, others say the soul couldnt go to a fruit cause of that black cover

[native coral]

Caramel was implied eaten as well

[pure raven]

u cant back up speculation with another speculation

[native coral]

if u consider it BB didnt touch any parts of WB body except the hole in his chest

[abstract pond]

That Big Mom ate mother caramel and has mother caraeml's df powers is more than speculation

[native coral]

A matter of deductions

[pure raven]

and it is a known fact, that devil fruits leave the body once a person dies, it is not known whet

[foggy iris]

Good point

[pure raven]

whether u get it by eating their hearts, chances are much higher that he finishhed him then caught the soul

since the soul is lookin for the next fruit to go to, bb caught it before it could

atleast we have that information compared to it is in the heart

[abstract pond]

Or the devil fruit "soul" is stored in the heart

[foggy iris]

Well, maybe he was just 99% dead waiting for Oda to revive him as per usual

The BB stole his heart

[pure raven]

maybe it was just the quickes way to kill him, he was almost dead, ending the heart ends his life

[clear iris]

When are spoiler coming

[pure raven]

I think beheading him is more difficult than that

especially given how tall whitebeard is compared to blackbeard

[foggy iris]

If the heart its the key to steal devilfruits, thats another powerfull use of Law's df

[abstract pond]

Another hint that point towards "eating the heart" theory is that Burgess used a knife against sabo only after Sabo ate the mera mera fruit

[pure raven]

true law could just steal whatever heart he like, let someone eat it

[clear iris]

????

[pure raven]

ggs

[abstract pond]

Not a question for this channel

[clear iris]

So where can I ask

[abstract pond]

#manga #also-manga

[pure raven]

Yh when

[shadow blade]

wdm nika nika fruit ?

[sweet inlet]

Bruh the lastest chapter came out literally yesterday and there’s a break next week and people are already asking for spoilers

[abstract pond]

And I don't know why they ask in theories channel of all the options xd

[sweet inlet]

In the theories chat as well

Can’t wait till the serious people come back to this chat, I love listening to music and reading real in-depth theories

[foggy iris]

Well, they expect a theory about spoilers date release

[pure raven]

Check the pinned messages in this channel there’s a lot of well written/ lots of effort put in theories.

[neat inlet]

What if
It's
Joshi Joshi No Mi, Model: Adam Tree?
hides for undercover

[livid shuttle]

Wait that is so cool

I am actually sold to this idea

[vagrant carbon]

Same

[neat inlet]

i actually was thinking about it - if Kaido KNEW about Joyboy and wanted to die to become one
does it means he went for skypiea to find clues about JoyBoy?

[vagrant carbon]

This is the most accurate one I’ve seen

[neat inlet]

there is a clear connection between skypiea and wano

[civic niche]

How? I don't see any connection

[neat inlet]

since shandora is based over there.. when Big Mom said "part of the One Piece is in Wano"... does it mean another ancient kingdom might be hidden inside Wano?
we know Onigashima was called by another name in the past, and we know quite well Wano's map.. I cant help but feel there is a twist in there somewhere

[neat inlet]

Kaido went to Skypiea, but he already know about Joy Boy and he tried to kill himself there to become him

[livid shuttle]

I wonder why he didnt try to drown himself tho lol

[civic niche]

Wait fr

[shut phoenix]

i am confused joy boy will apear or 5th gear?

[civic niche]

Or both?

[neat inlet]

idk about 5th gear, but Joy Boy will appear according to Zunesha

[shut phoenix]

o nice

[neat inlet]

another tie- the "thum thum thum thum" sfx is the same as the shandora clan rituals

[wanton ledge]

Or perhaps gear 4: joyboy man

Calling it now

[neat inlet]

meaning Shandora has some connection to the Joy Boy, or at least they kept the tradition without realizing its meaning\

[civic niche]

Bruh i can't share pics

[neat inlet]

my main question is- what was Kaido looking for in Skypiea? was he there to see the ancient kingdom?

[shut phoenix]

no i dont think gear 4th already have 3 forms

[gray nebula]

when will the next chapter come out?

[civic niche]

Looking for a high place to jump off?

[wanton ledge]

That what oda-sensai wants us to think lol

Sensei*

[civic niche]

Nah man

[neat inlet]

there are multiple sky islands tho, he could've chosen any island he wants, but somehow he chose the one which has ties to Joy Boy?

[civic niche]

Oo i see

Wait but how does he know about joyboy in the first place

[neat inlet]

that remains unknown, but he does shows to know about him at least during Skypiea part, otherwise why would he wants to kill himself

[civic niche]

That three eyed race can read poneglyphs right maybe he has one crewmate of that race who could read em

[neat inlet]

but none of the known poneglyphs adress who Joy Boy is, it could be on the remaining unknown ones, but it seems like a weird stretch

[civic niche]

Tru

[neat inlet]

and to be more accurate- the Shandora's ancient kingdom is technically part of what is Jaya today, it didn't start inside a sky island.

Wano, on the other hand, is up high, but 1. there is a hidden tunnel inside the island we've yet to see, 2. Big Mom's hole going all the way down so it seems, maybe something could be found underneath

idk, but I wouldn't think otherwise is not to Big Mom's hunch about the One Piece's treasure being partially inside Wano, somewhere someplace

[timber silo]

"big mom's hole going all the way down"

[neat inlet]

where's the lie

[timber silo]

sorry just had too the wording was too weird

[timber silo]

interesting it might be possible big mom discovers that place and finds kaido's road poneglyph? or she might learn something about joyboy or the one piece that kaido knows and was hiding there

[neat inlet]

that's be an interesting twist, and it could keep up Big Mom relevant for the story

[timber silo]

yeah

[neat inlet]

she'll be much less a threat than before, with luffy's new upgrade. but she's certainly not done yet

[timber silo]

mhm

[livid shuttle]

What if the one piece was like a choice option

[shut phoenix]

i read a theory it says roger cannot use op cause he doesnt have joyboys will share your thoughts about this theory

[neat inlet]

also i'm up for the resin theory, it mirrors blackbeard's fruit, it explains the existence of the fishermen island (the lights comes from the collected resin above them), etc

[livid shuttle]

It is a good theory but i don’t think it’s right

[timber silo]

i mean it was kinda already explained that roger was too "early" to do anything with what he learned in laugh tale i don't think it's a simple matter of he can't use it or something

[split glacier]

He has King to directly tell him the lost history about Joyboy.

[civic niche]

Where do I find the resin theory?

[civic niche]

King ? u implying he centuries old?

[timber silo]

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/tc60lf/chapter_1043_devil_fruit_theory/<

[neat inlet]

do we know for sure he knows everything about the ancient history? he seems only a child in the flashbacks

[split glacier]

No...King literally told Kaido about thinking he was Joyboy when he met him.

[split glacier]

I never said anything like that lol.

[neat inlet]

didn't Kaido react by laughing about it? he knew about Joy Boy even beforehand

[undone holly]

WB fruit was stolen by BB even whit that hole in his chest... so if the devil is in the users heart how can it be stolen when he not had heart??

[timber silo]

yeah in his chest it wasn't at his heart tho

if it was his heart then that's even worse than losing half his face

[compact grail]

what if the certain pirate shanks are talking about to gorosei is luffy

[neat inlet]

If we go be the theory luffy's reveal fruit mirrors blackbeard's fruit -

1. whatever hits me bounces and sticks to you - Luffy
2. whatever hits you bounces and hit me - Blackbeard
   it could be Blackbeard is capable of absorbing devil fruits,
   wildest theory - WB was capable of becoming JoyBoy if not to Blackbeard

it seems whatever hits Blackbeard is only making him stronger

[split glacier]

That's a maybe for Kaido knowing about Joyboy before he met King. He was still young himself. King told Kaido either all he knows about Joyboy or more than he currently knew at the time. Him laughing doesn't negate that. You never laughed at a crazy story you heard from someone?

[neat inlet]

I laugh if I know what the other guy means by it, the correct reaction should've been "joyboy? what/who is it?", but that's not the case

i'd say it's probably even related to Rocks, somehow. but we're missing info here so I don't intend to tell where Kaido knows about JoyBoy, only to point out he tried to suicide in Skypiea, of all places

[native coral]

Read my theory - Tell me something https://www.reddit.com/user/Any_Turnip_6318/comments/tcdwy7/1042/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

[pure raven]

Thoughts on Momo being a SH apprentice? Personally I think he would be a great addition. From what we know of him, he's not ready to attain control of Wano just yet and personally I believe Hiyori or Kinemon should take that role TEMPORARILY till momo is developed enough. It would be a great chance for him to learn the proper history of the Kozuki, and while at it be around powerful and ambitious individuals. Being trained in swordsmanship by someone who possibly will or has surpassed his father and gaining fighting experience while at it. Considering he has The voice of all things too I don't think he's a bad addition at all. Would be amazing to see him develop from the scared kid he was to a reliable man that's ready to control Wano.

[neat inlet]

he'd definitely joining the crew, now that we know the most important pages in his father's diary are missing. I'm not sure if he'll technically be seen as an official SH member, more like a independent voyager just like his father

[fringe elm]

Idk if momos gonna leave wano, he might just pull a vivi

Is there anything he says that indicates him wanting to leave?

[pure raven]

Missing page in Odens diary. The one about the One Piece and possible about the Kozuki.

[abstract pond]

I don't see Momo joining the sh at all. He has to stay in Wano and be the shogun

[neat inlet]

the final pages seems so, I'd definitely see the momo and yamato duo continuing their adventure together, they share the same goals

[pure raven]

He's not ready for the role yet though. Eventually he will be, he is too young mentally and needs a bit more development.

[pure raven]

I would have assumed he would be like how Kaido was to rocks or Shanks and buggy were to Roger. Like apprentices and not a major part of the main crew yk?

[abstract pond]

He already said he is gonna be the shogun and he the sh journey is a hella lot more dangerous

[neat inlet]

only yamato is the real addition to the SH crew, momo will be a "vivi"

[pure raven]

Exactly and that would be a great experience for him for mental development and for fighting experience.

But as for him being the shogun rn? Idk about that his mental state is as of that of a kids. PS which he is

[neat inlet]

i'd even go further than that and say his sister will probably fulfill his place while he's gone, since she knows everything about what happened in wano during the last 20 years, she'll help rebuild the country once more

kinda like how their mother has done a similar role

[pure raven]

Hiyori and Kinemon by her side. Great people to resume control of Wano temporarily.

Like a consigliere

[neat inlet]

i'll be sad saying goodbye to Kinemon, but it's quite obviously the case here

[pure raven]

Kinemon is one of my most loved characters idk but smt about him intrigues me.

[neat inlet]

it's weird how the duo dynamics shifted from momo & kinemon to momo & yamato

[abstract pond]

Momo has said from day one that what he wants is go back to Wano and become shogun. In any point he expressed desire to sail the seas as a pirate

Momo has his own thing, he doesn't need or want to be a sh

[neat inlet]

he wanted to free wano, but now he realizes there is something about Laugh Tale, he'll want to see what his dad saw,

[pure raven]

You are not getting the point my man. No matter what HE says he is not ready to attain the role of shogun yet. He's too undeveloped.

[neat inlet]

he even said "now I know I must stay alive no matter what", he has some fate, he knows it, but he doesn't understand what it is because the most important pages about it are missing

he even suggested to surrender to Kaido in the last chapter, he knows he must stay alive but he doesn't really know why

[pure raven]

In other words he has to understand the destiny of his father and what his role was.

[neat inlet]

idk about the father himself, but more like- what was it that his dad suddenly understood about him, which is missing in the diary

[pure raven]

The relevance between the Kozuke and the Poneglyphs are also a thing. I think he would want to know the history of his own people as well.

[neat inlet]

yep. there are too many anecdotes, he's definitely joining the SH journey to Laugh Tale, but he's certainly not an official SH member, once he finds the truth he's returning home.

[pure raven]

Yeah

and with WG storming Wano we can bet that Wano will be an official ally to the SHs.

Kingdoms that are under the WG would probably struggle with becoming a pirate territory.

[neat inlet]

pretty sure WG will fail, Zunesha will doom them

they sailed in hope to reach Wano, but they didn't expect the elephant in the room

[pure raven]

Yeah, their tactical movement atm will cause a big revolution. Basically waging war.

[abstract pond]

Momonosuke has to stay in Wano and open the country. Oden himself say so, that a kozuki must stay and do it.
He doesn't need to go to Laught Tale, Oden told enough in the diary for Momonosuke to know what to do.

[pure raven]

Hiyori is a Kozuki.

[neat inlet]

but technically this is exactly what Joy Boy is doing right now, he'll bring the dawn for Wano

[pure raven]

Bruh if this happened the Zorotard community will shred us apart.

[neat inlet]

he might be fulfilling the promise sooner than we think, but what happens afterward? I believe he'll hop on the boat

[pure raven]

Also the current state of the world may delay the opening of Wano. Quite literally chaos and the WG purging it.

[neat inlet]

and also this, indeed

[pure raven]

I believe to open the doors of Wano momo must fulfill the same destiny as Oden, Wano was closed off for a reason and I believe the Kozuke history must be uncovered before taking the leap of opening Wano again.

[abstract pond]

Yet nobody said anything about her leading. But everyone says Momonosuke.
I don't see any point in Momonosuke joining the sh to be honest.

[pure raven]

I said temporarily assume the role.

[feral hill]

Pretty sure they got too much on their pkate already with building back wano and all

[pure raven]

They do, and until Wano is back to it’s proper state only then they can open up wano.

[feral hill]

We lost a strawhat for the same reasons, if Momo stay I'd be angry cuz i wanted vivi to stay with the strawhats lol

But like vivi Momo's story is going to a conclusion fast, he need to stay as Oden's son and true leader of Wano

[warm edge]

my theory is also here c:
https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/tci8yu/chapter_1043_theory_about_the_new_person/

[rough violet]

there was nothing

[warm edge]

wdym? can't you see anything?

[primal cargo]

nope

[stoic dirge]

I can see the text

[warm edge]

yeah that's all there is to it,

how can I fix it if people can't see it though?

[stoic dirge]

Yeah, I meant like it's not like there's nothing in there

[primal cargo]

Ah it's good now apparently

[warm edge]

do I just remove the spoiler flair? since its chapter 1043 and a theory about the guy lol

[primal cargo]

No, the subreddit operates at anime-level spoilers

[warm edge]

So, it would help if you liked it to leave an upvote I ain't a cringe youtuber I promise

[crude flume]

This was a good read

[warm edge]

[rough violet]

there was just the title

i think i had internet issues now its showing

[hearty valley]

Yeah, we are currently pretty much in the dark, what is happening around in the world. Garp describe the last Levely and a bad one. Beside the abolishment of the Warlords, we know there was a casualty. At the same time, the Revolutionaries around Sabo attempted to save Kuma and sth huge occured in Arabasta/Alabasta, what may be related to Imu holding Vivi's image or Cobra wanting to ask the WG about the poneglyph and his clan history.

Adding to this the two blue poneglyph from WCI, the two confirmed blue poneglyph from Wano and the two additional red poneglyph, there is much to learn.

[pure raven]

Nefertaris were celestial dragons that stepped down? Right?

[rancid crescent]

Any theories about how black beard using two devil fruit?

[hearty valley]

It seems to be more complicated. I mean I assume the Nefertaris were in true allied to the Ancient Kingdom. That's why the kept the Poneglyph and Pluton in Arabasta. Yet, Cobra doesn't seem to know the whole story.

I wonder if they truly "stepped down". Rather, the never 'ascended' to Mariejois it seems

But counting the Imu factor in, this may become important post-Wano

[weak urchin]

thats a good one

[sturdy hawk]

The balloons are not what makes the island float, it is just where all the balloons end up going, hence why it's called "terminal"

[pure raven]

and?

how are they mutually exclusive, this is a place for theories

Both interpretations work for that

[sturdy hawk]

Sure, but your theory implies that parallel of the balloons and the lanterns holding up smth

[pure raven]

that's a poor interpretation of my theory

[weary cobalt]

I created a concept for all the big question marks in the series like the Will of D last night after thinking about the recent chapter, It started from just trying to reconcile destiny and freedom but it spiraled from there. Want to hear it?

[primal cargo]

yes

[weary cobalt]

Already posted it on reddit though pretty much no one read it

Basically the idea is that there is a person with Joyboy's will in every era, when that person dies with the will of Joyboy, another inherits it.

This has been happening for the last 800 years

Noland I speculate is one of these "Joyboys" and Roger also is one.

[civic rock]

That's everyone's idea. Nothing new.

[sharp anvil]

Nah it isn't though speck

[pure raven]

Some guy said that the locker where the big straw hat is in is a grave. Like one of those medieval graves or smt. There were multiple of them and they may have been for other joy boys?

[weary cobalt]

You can add your thoughts after I am done

So can you delete the messages so there isn't any interuptions?

[sturdy hawk]

You should post one long message instead of multiple ones

[sharp anvil]

Lol that's a bit much on your side Jonah

[civic rock]

They chose not be CD.

[weary cobalt]

Discord has a limit

Oh well.

[sharp anvil]

Why don't you post the reddit link

[weary cobalt]

Sure.

Nothing sticks in the subreddit if it isn't less than 300 words

[native coral]

I found out who vegapunk is

[rough violet]

WHO

[native coral]

I will post it on reddit today

Ill message u personally

[rough violet]

yea ok thanks

[rancid crescent]

@native coral who

[native coral]

Add me up.

Ill post it on reddit

[rancid crescent]

Send reddit link

[weary cobalt]

Why don't you just say it, It's a one word answer

[native coral]

Itll be better if u read it completely

Its a one big theory

[sharp anvil]

@weary cobalt my one issue reading through is that Luffy always has come across as someone that lacks internal monologue to me. He has been railroaded by the will of his subconscious. Even most of his powerups come subconsciously. Finding the meaning of freedom is a little deep for him.

Thats why his dream was laughed at

[native coral]

This theory centers Kuma and his DF

[weary cobalt]

It's not super deep honestly on the surface, it's a genuine question anyone would ask.

Like how children learn the definition of words

[sharp anvil]

True. Like he's noticed the restricted freedoms at this point

He's been pretty heated about it also

[weary cobalt]

The definition of freedom is left ambiguous in the story

No one really talks about the details of what "being the most free" even means

[sharp anvil]

I do think the sun tattoo on the fishmen is a direct symbol of freedom

[weary cobalt]

It seems like something even Luffy doesn't understand himself

That's why I think it's fitting to assume that is his "hidden dream" it's not really hidden, It's just something that doesn't come up. He is saying it everybody indirectly. It would be weird if he didn't.

[sharp anvil]

The world as a whole definitely doesn't understand and he totally could bring the meaning of freedom

That's actually kind of what Nika is

[weary cobalt]

@sharp anvil do you think this makes more sense the "party theory"?

[sharp anvil]

No I think it goes hand in hand

[median talon]

Luffy awakening his df?

[sharp anvil]

He can show the world adventure without restriction and not be freeing anything lol

[foggy iris]

And the place looks like a freezer. That could turn into a Joy Boys army with Moria's df

[weary cobalt]

I found that one incredibly idiotic. It's so out of left field, I don't think his hidden dream shouldn't go too left field from what he usually says.

[sharp anvil]

Well his dream was laughed at lol

[weary cobalt]

"really? You don't know what freedom means yet you want the most freedom?"

[jovial olive]

I can't wait for the next manga

[weary cobalt]

The party thing isn't that profound

[sharp anvil]

I mean he does say the Pirate King is the most free of the sea also

Like his slight understanding is there.

[weary cobalt]

Given the series is about freedom, if Luffy's dream is to throw a party... I don't know, It feels out of place. The "profoundness" of the party thing is also kind of out of character for me.

He isn't a one who cares about uniting people or whatever

[sharp anvil]

I think it's all very very niche headcanon

[weary cobalt]

He just wants freedom

[hearty valley]

Isn't it assume that the owner of the big strawhat was joyboy and they keep it as a kind of war trophy at that place?

[sharp anvil]

This I agree with. I also agree that he may not know what that means to everyone lol

The destiny thing is where he is getting that info from and doesn't even know it

[weary cobalt]

@sharp anvil It's interesting actually. If his dream is to find the meaning of freedom, he can be still Luffy while being Joyboy because Joyboy might have tried the "party" route of profoundness and failed, Luffy does things his own way and it leads to the outcome that is desired.

[foggy iris]

Being the pirate king allows you to be free enough to party with everyone in the world, the strongest and the weakest ones

[sharp anvil]

One thing is for sure. This is going to be a long week

[weary cobalt]

It just feels out of place like I said, It shouldn't go too left field from what he usually says. No one would question what his real dream is when he says it all the time, they just don't stop to ask "Hey what do you mean by freedom"?

[civic rock]

What if brook is actually joy boy. He's been alive for many years because of his devil fruit. He's been transferring bodies to achieve his goal. Lol.

[weary cobalt]

@sharp anvil what do you think about my conception of the will of d

[foggy iris]

Zunesha would have knew when Brook was at Zou

[weary cobalt]

It takes 30 secs of thinking to see why this idea is nonsense. The parallels between Luffy and Joyboy in fishmen island with the last chapter basically outright saying he is Joyboy should tell you all. I don't know why people feel the need to go out of their way to deny this, If they don't want Luffy to be chosen directly then there is ways to evade it, That's what I tried to do with my post.

[primal cargo]

I think the definition of freedom for Luffy is simply to be able to do what he wants.
Then what he wants is, for example, having adventures and being with his friends.
When his friends are threatened or hurt, that gets in the way of Luffy's desire so he fights for them.
Luffy is currently fighting for the sake of the people of Wano because he has decided to do so. He's not fighting for his freedom, he's enacting it.
Now for Joyboy, I don't know what his goal was but most evidently it's something on the global scale, like "bringing freedom to the whole world". Luffy is not currently fighting for this goal, therefore he has not inherited this will.
I think, most reasonably, Luffy will "accept" that will the day he decides that liberating the world is the thing to do for the sake of his friends. Like if he decides that the entire world is his friends, or something of that nature.

[civic rock]

Maybe brook/joy boy doesn't show up his true power that's why zunesha didn't notice until they got to wano. Lol.

[weary cobalt]

Well, he already does those things. Is he now the pirate king?

[primal cargo]

He's not the Pirate king because there are still people and things in the world that could get in his way depending on what he wants to do. Like, for example, he currently wants to help the people of Wano but Kaidou is too strong for him, so he's not yet able to do it.

[weary cobalt]

If he does what he wants and that's what "freedom" is then he literally achieved his dream by now

[primal cargo]

Luffy wanted to save Ace, he couldn't do it. If he had been the Pirate King he could have. I think that's how it is

[sharp anvil]

I think that the D being the natural enemy of the celestials says enough towards their destiny. The hat in marijois I've been thinking is probably something that is showing IM who the next joyboy will be. I think they have been in control of that destiny somehow for 800 years.

[civic rock]

Nah. Luffy just wants adventures. He doesn't want to save any country o to be hero. He's a free will man. He does what he wants. That's why joy boy sees the potential to luffy as he's in good side and will help luffy probably.

[weary cobalt]

Fair enough.

[foggy iris]

You mean that Zunesha was talking about Brook revealing his true identity instead of the explicit panel of Luffy smiling after he died?? xD

[open plinth]

well, you aint wrong. he did achieve, although for him and his crew. so he has freedom. but not the oppressed sections of 'one piece' society. So how can a person, who is good at heart, craves true freedom and friends be really free when there are so many oppressed people

[civic rock]

Yeah. Brook/joy boy's soul is starting to beat the drum of liberation and sing. Lol.

[pure raven]

What if joy boy ate a fruit which is similar to brook's fruit

[weary cobalt]

He doesn't care about oppressed people unless his friends are tangled in it, so including that in his dream is out of character.

[primal cargo]

I think Luffy's mysterious "dream" is something that he might only be able to do when he's the Pirate King. Like only absolute freedom would allow it
And maybe it's for the sake of that dream that he will one day take on the WG

[civic rock]

That's what't i'm saying. Joy boy is actually brook. Lol

[hearty valley]

Why Brooks' fruit?

[native coral]

Whos up for Vegapunk revel

[hearty valley]

Isn't it clear that the Gorosei were talking about the Gum-Gum fruit? At least this makes most sense.

[weary cobalt]

I do wanna say though that lack of ability shouldn't be conflated with "Freedom"

[pure raven]

it's not clear, there are signs pointing towards it, but no confirmation - theories may live on

[pure raven]

cos brooks was as a spirit after he died so maybe joy boy's spirit is also free

[native coral]

https://www.reddit.com/user/Any_Turnip_6318/comments/tcmuro/i_found_out_who_vegapunk_is/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Lets start from the best Vegapunk - That is Kuma.
KUMA has devil fruit power of paw-paw no mi.
It can send someone miles away.
But heres the catch you will end to the place where your heart’s most desire.

Kuma sends Perona to a castle as she thought of and wished to be in castle.
As for everystrawhat.
Luffy was sent to amazon lily
Zoro sent to where mihawk is
Usopp looking up to Luffy was sent to a place where there is food
Robin to a place where people fights for freedom
Nami to a place where she can study the weather
Brook to a place where his crew was buried
Franky looking up to Tom his mentor
was sent to a place where Tom spend his childhood. Karakuri Island

Some fishman will found theirself maybe due slavery/running away from something dangerous. Like kawamatsu

Characteristics of Vegapunk

• an old man
• wearing striped shirt
• always wearing yellow gloves
  -intelligent

But the question is why would he wear a striped shirt?
Its because hes a prisoner
Tom san is that prisoner
He is very old.
Hes wearing gloves to hide that he is a fishman also he is now a scientest.

Vegapunk upon knowing that Franky joined the strawhats made a deal with Kuma to protect the Sunny as he knows it is Franky who made it therefore protecting franky’s dream.

[weary cobalt]

He is free to save Ace but he isn't strong enough, if his dream is to be the most free then that wouldn't have any relation with his ability

[hearty valley]

Brook was only a spirit because of his devil fruit. It was not generally related.

[civic rock]

Brook's music can revive soul.

[open plinth]

Well then, why is he fighting for the people of Wano? What was one of the reason of fight with doflamingo??

[weary cobalt]

Because of Tama and Rebecca.

[civic rock]

That's why brook is joy boy. He's tryna help luffy.

[weary cobalt]

@civic rock No offense but this is like certainly wrong

[native coral]

Possible

[sharp anvil]

Man I hope my name sake comes back

[shadow pike]

What if Joyboy is just a term for the journey and the 'joy' that all of the pirates had along the way? Rather than a material person

[civic rock]

Brook df awakening is coming. And his awekining is to revive soul.

[native coral]

Why would they kill Luffy the ?

I mean WG

[pure raven]

wasnt there like a picture of him when robin was reading the poneglyphs

[hearty valley]

It's pretty much the only option for it to all connect. Who's-Who's guarding it, them prudently asking CP0 to immediately kill Luffy, them realizing the change name AFTER talking with Imu, who tear up Luffy's Bounty. Imu prob told them about the changed name of the Gomu-Gomu No Mi. Either that or it was about the Yami-Yami No Mi and that's why Shanks met them. But the first looks more likely

[pure raven]

crackpot but unexpectedly great

[dire tangle]

I wonder if shanks had brought the gomu gomu no mi in the Goa kingdom for Ace. He probably got the idea from Rayleigh since Roger jokingly said that his son would be the one to find one piece. So thinking his captain's son would be the best suited to awaken Joyboy, he went to Goa kingdom to find him and give it to him alongside the strawhat. But then he met luffy and hearing him say the exact same words as Roger convinced him to bet on luffy instead.

[native coral]

I bet ya

[foggy iris]

What about Sanji?? If Kuma's fruit its about what your heart desires he would have been the one on Amazon Lilly

[weary cobalt]

The WG believed Ace is Joyboy

[pure raven]

well that depends on your imagination and how many new plot lines (meaning how much speculation) you are able to accept

[hearty valley]

I imagine that Portgas D. Rouge and Roger as well as Whitebeard maybe expected Ace to become Joyboy.

[pure raven]

but kuma asked where would you like to go most in your holiday

[native coral]

Forgot sanji lol he wants to be where all the female hearts are

[foggy iris]

Okay Ill buy that

[native coral]

Cant be amazon lily since they dont any man at all

[primal cargo]

Well, I think it was made clear that Luffy gets stronger so that he may enact his freedom. He made Gears 2 and 3 because he needed to be stronger in order to keep his friends at his side.
Every time Luffy gets stronger, he gets freer.
This was made especially explicit in Udon, where learning advanced Armament haki made him a breaker of chains, and basically a man who will never again be restrained by shackles.

[native coral]

Btw amazon lily is laughtale just to spoil u

[weary cobalt]

You are ignoring basically the whole background of Kuma. He can't simultaneously be with Dragon and be the head scientist of the WG and now he is just a slave to the world nobles.

[native coral]

Kuma is not head scientis it is Vegapunk

[pure raven]

what about this- Joy Boy was the ruler of the ancient kingdom

[hearty valley]

Gonna work firstly with that the story gives us. It was said that the fruit was a legend and didn't awakened for centuries. Brook isn't that old and their was surely previous bearer of his Soul fruit. Additonally, it is clear that the G5 didn't know the name was changed before talking with Imu. Therefore it must be related to Luffy or BB. Luffy would just make more sense. Speculation is only plausible if lack of information.

[native coral]

Read it right

[pure raven]

My personal favorite is it being Tama's fruit

[civic rock]

Reverse mountain is laughtale. It's the last island. Lol

[weary cobalt]

The freedom part is being free to attempt it, but enacting it is detached from "Freedom", It's like saying I will be freer if I can cook my meat right next time even if I screwed up now.

You are free to learn how to cook meat, that's where the freedom is in. The freedom isn't the taste of a delicious medium rare.

[dire tangle]

If that's the case then that'd explain why the gorosei were freaking out so hard. They initially thought that joyboy would reincarnate as another human but instead he tricked them by coming back as df awakening instead

[foggy iris]

It would be awesome if Tom is Vegapunk. I always thought that he is alive since we didnt see him die (In the day I thought that they were going to rescue him on Ennies Lobby lol)
But Isnt Tom from Fishman Island? Why would a Gyojin be born in a snow island?

[civic rock]

Nah. Tom died.

[pure raven]

wait- didnt ope ope no mi friut (traflager's fruit) had the ability could grant immortality in the exchange of the users life. Is that what happens on luffy?

[native coral]

Kawamatsu was drifted away to wano. Its similar to what happen to Tom san

[dire tangle]

Law would be dead

[weary cobalt]

It's not reincarnation, Whitebeard said "even if you try erase them, you will never extinguish their spirit, someone will come and carry it on" basically saying it doesn't matter if you kill Joyboy, Joyboy's will is not gonna die with that person.

[native coral]

Never confirmed but im sure he should have in impel down.

[civic rock]

It's brook's awakening. He could revive soul my man.

[foggy iris]

Sabo did

[hearty valley]

We have to explain why the WG put such importance on the Gomu Gomu No Mi that they made CP9 guard it and why they punished Who-Who so badly with enslavement. At the same time - the G5 didnt know about the name change of the fruit they were discussing. So, only one who knows MORE than them is Imu. This makes lefts the Gomu Gomu No Mi as the only logical option beside maybe the Yami Yami no Mi

[pure raven]

exactly it never showed us that he was alive while luffy was transforming

[native coral]

Its possible that Brook is Joyboy hahaha

[weary cobalt]

It's definitely the Gum Gum Fruit.

[primal cargo]

It's not the only option. We have yet to get an explanation of what the fruit's secret is and why it would have the WG shaking, what's so special about its Awakening and why it was never performed in 800 years, as well as why they had CP9 guard the fruit but then it was still "a legend" to them.
There are theories to answer all these questions, but it's not settled yet.
The Tama theory in particular was pretty solid to me, even though I've accepted that it probably is Luffy

[weary cobalt]

Like it is possible Usopp will be the pirate king, yeah possible in an alternate universe.

[pure raven]

yeh its possible that zoros a better cook than sanji

[weary cobalt]

They were shaking because the "promised man" is going to unlock it's deadly potential and end them one day

[civic rock]

Yeah. Because brook is always happy. And zunesha hears drum of liberation. Who's the musician? And his devil fruit is so overpower. Lol.

[foggy iris]

JoyBoy, the person who fought the WG in the void century, couldnt save his crewmates in the first part of the Grand Line?

[dire tangle]

Come one now, if he were doing something as crazy as giving luffy eternal life it wouldn't be so low key

[hearty valley]

The true question lies in the name. What is there to fear about a fruits 'real name'? It can't be directly related to the name of the Ancient Kingdom or the D. Therefore, a wild thought of mine is maybe that the original name of the Gomu Gomu No Mi was 'Uranus'.

[native coral]

Part of the plot

[runic osprey]

My question is they could have stopped luffy multiple times by now he was imprisoned and everything and they still didnt give him that much attention despite knowing he had the gum gum fruit. They treated luffy like a infamous rookie pirate not like someone who has a world devastating df

[civic rock]

Yeah. Part of the plot.

[weary cobalt]

They just recently found out that the fruit was in front of them the whole time, It's not like they knew until now.

[primal cargo]

That's your idea of it, I don't think it's any more valid than mine. I say, if I'm unable to cook meat, I'm not free to taste well-cooked meat ; if I learn to do it well, I've gained a little bit of freedom haven't I ?

[hearty valley]

They DIDN't know that the Gomu Gomu No Mi had a changed name. I see it as very likely that Imu told them when they asked what "light to remove from history". I mean the only person who should know more about the WG than the goddamn Gorosei is Imu. So, they' didnt know it.

[weary cobalt]

They believed it was a "Legend", the government gave it a new name and it was lost in time

[dire tangle]

It's probably because they didn't believe in the legend of the fruit itself and instead believed Ace, the son of the pirate king would become joyboy instead. That's why they went so hard in executing him

[native coral]

Theres also a sword in wano.. Luffy and brook will be 2 man one body

[hearty valley]

Yeah, that sentence actually proves, that the gorosei are at least not 800 years old. I mean some say they are immortal. But in that case they would have known it themselves.

[weary cobalt]

Not really. That's not what "Freedom" means, Freedom and Ability isn't the same thing. You are free to go to a restaurant and eat medium rare steaks, sure but you aren't any more or less free if you can't make it yourself.

[native coral]

Its probably not the first time Brook did this.

[civic rock]

Luffy is just luffy. He's will be king of pirates. But brook is the true joy boy. WG doesn't notice brook until post skip era. At the time of his concert at sabaody.

[pure raven]

/v As long as there is no way to change memories of somebody with a devil fruit, but I agree with you . . ..they are not 800+

[native coral]

he just forgot

[dire tangle]

No they said that it's a legend even to them and it had not awakened in centuries. It implies they know a lot but doesn't imply they are centuries old

[weary cobalt]

It would be weird if one said I am finally free that I know how to make a perfect medium rare

Is freedom ever used like this? Like ever?

[pure raven]

“And the truth shall set you free.” comes from the Bible, John 8:32.

[primal cargo]

It can't be directly related to the name of the Ancient Kingdom or the D.
Why ? That looks like a very real possibility to me. The Elders did take action to stop Clover from saying the name of the kingdom, that's something. Though the name "Nika" is even better in that regard.
What would the name "Uranus" do ? What would change if that name was known ? There are people running around talking about Pluton and the world is fine.

[dire tangle]

Chopper is also nika, wait till he wrecks kaido and frees wano

[hearty valley]

Actually, we saw the Toy fruit in Dressrossa that was able to "delete memory". Wonder if Imu's power are in someway similar.

[weary cobalt]

Uh that's a little bit than the distinction between freedom and ability 🙄

[primal cargo]

Again, that's your definition of it. I don't see anything in One Piece that reinforces your idea more than mine.

[weary cobalt]

It's not really even grounded in real life so why would it even be applied in one piece? That's the thing.

[sharp anvil]

This is what I meant earlier about the straw hat. I believe they have some sort of information that allows them to edit destiny

[pure raven]

yeah I know, I was being a little cheeky with my comment. But I still do no think they are immortal, Im yes, but not them

[hearty valley]

Yeah, but this also means that someone told the "current" Gorosei about the name change. Can only be Imu and before that he was tearing up Luffy and Blackbeards bounty. So, only the Gomu-Gomu no Mi or the Yami-Yami No Mi received a name change.

[civic rock]

Yeah it's chopper's df awakening. He'll be a true form human, nika.

[crisp topaz]

Yo something crazy popped into my head

[weary cobalt]

Or shanks.

[primal cargo]

?? When slaves took arms to fight against their masters, were they free men because they tried ?

[dire tangle]

Agree with this

[crisp topaz]

What if the Drums of liberation isnt from luffy at all !!!!

[sharp anvil]

This makes me think yami yami is a necessary evil

[crisp topaz]

but from the whale tree

[hearty valley]

That's not true. Only very few people know about Pluton and even around renowned pirates this is the case. The existence of Ancient Weapons is not generally known. But if those that know, know that Uranus is a devil fruit that reappears they may seek it actively and attempt to awaken its real powers. I just see no other logical name change reason.

[civic rock]

Goro said that this df has not awakened for century. Who lived for a very long time now? It's brook!! He will help luffy by reviving his soul.

[weary cobalt]

Is Luffy's agency being held down in the open seas like it is with slavery? Nobody is his boss. That is the difference.

[foggy iris]

Im on your boat, but time will tell

[civic rock]

It's brook music!

[marble girder]

What if this entire set up for luffy was a conspiracy between shanks, dragon, and roger? Shanks was on Roger's crew and would definitely know what the One Piece is.

[crisp topaz]

whats the story behind this?

[weary cobalt]

When no one is your boss, then you are free to do whatever you want, If you don't have have the ability to achieve something you don't become more or less free.

[foggy iris]

Kureha is older than Brook

[hearty valley]

Shanks betraying Luffy by telling them about the gomu gomu no mi true powers? I wonder, it seems unlikely. Especially Shanks knowing sth the gorosei don't know doesn't make sense for me.

[weary cobalt]

The red flags are too many to ignore this possibility.

[hearty valley]

Brook hasn't lived for several centuries.

[foggy iris]

And Kureha is the one introducing us to the will of D. Kureha is Joyboy

[weary cobalt]

His age is literally listed 🙄

[fresh needle]

Luffy will eventually realize shanks is responsible for Aces death

[marble girder]

what if dragon and garp wanted luffy to grow into joyboy to use him for their goals like joining the revolutionary army or becoming a marine and shanks turned him into a pirate instead

[primal cargo]

Well, then it's not just the name is it ? The threat would be the additional knowledge of what the weapon is.
I agree that the Pluton thing is ambiguous, but still I don't see anything that suggests the name "Uranus" is of any particular significance in the world

[foggy iris]

Well, Shanks tried to stop Ace's death

[marble girder]

Was Ace supposed to be joyboy as Roger's son, but then he became a donut?

[weary cobalt]

That's the government thought I am assuming

They thought he was Joyboy because of Roger. The first man to initiate the beginning of the end to their destiny.

[civic rock]

Yomi yomi no mi could resurrect a body's soul after it's death. Maybe WG didn't know it was eaten by brook until sabaody post time skip. And now the awakening is happening, which is could resurrect a lot of soul that's why WG is afraid.

[weary cobalt]

What hint did you get that brook of all people are awakening their powers?

[marble girder]

brook has barely been in wano, where did the brook theory come from?

[weary cobalt]

It sounds like you are trying to fit this into story rather than inferring from it

[sharp anvil]

What if Joy Boys fruit was similar but has a different way of re entering the living world.

[pure raven]

Does anybody wonder what Big Mom's awakening is? I mean all of her fighting and all she did was eat some souls for a power up. If anybody can Rez people, it is BM.

[weary cobalt]

People really don't want Luffy to be Joyboy.

The only explanation. Some morons actually said Usopp is joyboy

[hearty valley]

It is of significance if you include that people actively seek the Ancient Weapons. Shanks didn't seeked the Gomu Gomu No Mi guarded by Cp9 as a coincidence for example. So keeping its true name as Uranus secret would make a lot of sense to extended their ability more easily finding the fruit if it reappears.

[pure raven]

yeah and I feel that he clearly is. It is not a destined role he was born into, he just fits the right personality and will power.

[marble girder]

well devil fruit always resurrects itself somewhere in the world. I think joyboy may have been the cause for devil fruit existing at all. idk where to go from here cause i'm dumb, but that's what I think

[civic rock]

Because is luffy is luffy and not joy boy.

[hearty valley]

90 years is not old if you connect the points regarding the discussed fruit

[weary cobalt]

I already went over why nothing about Luffy is sacrificed even if he is Joyboy and the Gumo Gumo no Mi is Joyboy's fruit

[sharp anvil]

If it is resin or sap then you could argue it powers the tree

[bitter kraken]

It would suck it oda makes it so joyboy actually possess luffy and alters who luffy is

[pure raven]

And I agree! Good day to you Sirrah!

[sharp anvil]

Kind of similar to Enel just having a moon

[weary cobalt]

I am positive he won't do that. If I can think of a way to make it work then he certainly has it figured out.

[hearty valley]

Thats an interesting point. I also believe that maybe devil fruit didn't existed prior to 900 years ago and it was the Ancient Kingdom who created them in some way. Vegapunk and Caesar at least proved that Devil Fruits can be artificially produced. Also looking at Pluton - the Ancient Kingdom must have been very technologically advanced

[bitter kraken]

My assumption is that luffy will be more like how Yamato is with her having oden’s will that even momo sorta saw his father in her. But I’m not sure if I saw this in the anime or manga lol

[hearty valley]

Does Joyboy's fruit have to be the Gomu Gomu No Mi? I mean Zunesha could have meant sth completely different as Luffy's voice 'changing' to sound like the one of the historic Joyboy that represents the will to liberate people

[civic rock]

Again, it's brook playing the drum of liberation

[sharp anvil]

The other thing about the monkey god is he had like unlimited different abilities. Maybe he imbued all of his abilities into all of the different fruits. Been thinking about how Luffy has the ability of his staff which makes him basically the weapon of the monkey god.

[marble girder]

I don't think luffy is joyboy like a reincarnation, but he's definitely the closest thing to joyboy and has his same power

[weary cobalt]

Well it is implied that the transformation of the Gum Gum Fruit is heavily linked to Joyboy.

[sharp anvil]

But then there's nami

[rapid wave]

I cant tell if people are being serious

[hearty valley]

It just looks clear that the WG didn't changed the name of the devil fruit due to its characteristics (like being rubber), but due to its overall abilities. I don't think that if its about the Gomu-Gomu No Mi, we will see sth completely different than Rubber-like moves. But if he awakened it must create sth extraordinary.

[weary cobalt]

This sort of denial has been present since 1018 when people tried to play it off like Luffy's fruit isn't significant because it would shatter their perception of the story

[marble girder]

well it's hard to be too serious when everything is a reach until we get the next chapter

[pure raven]

Zunisha will put the fire out he will flood water like he did when the straw hats entered zou

[marble girder]

this is why i get the best enjoyment by ignoring people.

[weary cobalt]

I remember people saying WW got punished because devil fruits are simply rare, Yeah like the author deliverately focused on this fruit and Sun God Nika side by side just for a fun fact and nothing else.

[civic rock]

This could't be luffy df WG is talking about. How come they did not kill luffy pre time skip if they know he is a threat.

[pure raven]

I think joyboy is the will luffy always wanted a world where theres no slaves where everybody lives equal

[weary cobalt]

They just recently found out that the fruit was hiding in their sights the whole time because it has a different name.

[bitter kraken]

From the last panel it sorta makes me think that luffy’s awakening is like when you heat rubber it becomes goo

[hearty valley]

I wonder if Joyboy even had a devil fruit. We see Roger and Shanks, who are still strong without one. What is mostly connected to Joyboy are not his combat abilities, but the will and ideals he/she represented. So, Joyboy maybe didn't eat the Gomu-Gomu no Mi. I see it more likely that Luffy refused to die, so he would be able to liberate the people of Wano from Kaidou and in that moment his 'voice' changed & he 'inherited' the will of Joyboy (temporarily).

[weary cobalt]

That was like the only plothole, If the Gorosei themselves thought it was a myth, why the hell would any marines know about this legendary fruit?

[civic rock]

They should know the characteristerics of that fruit because it's a big threat unless it's totally different one.

[marble girder]

that makes sense, but then what the hell is happening to his face at the end?

[weary cobalt]

Possible though the implications of last chapter suggest otherwise.

[bitter kraken]

Well whatever happens next it has to be big enough to win the war because kaido seems still ready to roll and everyone else is unlikely to put up much of a fight

[dire tangle]

Definitely has some serious combat implications. Imagine the COC on the guy when even death couldn't break his will to be free

[bitter kraken]

His fruit is awakening and making him goo

[marble girder]

Could the people of D be the people most likely to become joyboy or a part of joyboy's family or connections or some shit

[weary cobalt]

We don't know the details ourselves as we assumed it to be rubber, so if we didn't assume anything out of place, why would they when this was equivalent to big foot or the loch Ness monster in their minds due to its legend?

[elfin ermine]

when do you guys think devil fruits appeared

[marble girder]

during the void century

[hearty valley]

His devil fruit prob awakened and its not clear if sth happened to his face/hair or the stone where is head is. I mean awakening is mostly about affecting the environment - maybe the stone around him turned to some form of rubber that Luffy is able to add to his body like Katakuri.

[bitter kraken]

We thought it was just rubber because of the name we were given and luffy does stretch

[weary cobalt]

No. That would be the worst kind of chosen one BS.

D is inherited by birth, It would be trash if being a D was a requirement for being Joyboy.

[quiet egret]

Luffy becoming Monkey king is BS

[sharp anvil]

At this point in my head when a God died, but I think im going crazy.

[bitter kraken]

Yeah it seems to be a bloodline

[marble girder]

Monkey D Luffy becoming monkey king, yeah i don't see it

[hearty valley]

The last chapter imply that a voice like (!) Joyboy is being heard and that the historic Joyboy or the reappearance of his 'voice' represents the liberation from sth [prob the WG authrority].

[bitter kraken]

I think the fruits are what the kingdoms used to usurp the ancient kingdom

[civic rock]

Maybe even before void century. Because toki is from void century.

[weary cobalt]

And as it is said "has returned!" We cut to Luffy transforming.

[quiet egret]

Well no shit Last week Luffy is Sun Wukong now this week he is Resin

[weary cobalt]

Where did the Wukong thing come from

[civic rock]

We still don't know if it's awakening or something magical.

[marble girder]

who the fuck said he was sun wukong?

[weary cobalt]

Do monkey stretch like rubber, like what?

[bitter kraken]

It would be weird if luffy actually died and that allowed joyboys will to wake up and bring him back to life

[weary cobalt]

Not at all actually.

[quiet egret]

where have you been?? ur not reading the theories created from this channel? lmao

[bitter kraken]

It would be weird to me cause just wtf

[pure raven]

no i dont believe that

[hearty valley]

The 'voice' of Joyboy returned: a will so strong that death is rejected for the ability to liberate people. The transformation is the physical represantion of that will by Luffy growing in power to be able realizing that goal.

[civic rock]

He died. And by the help of brook's awakening, his soul would be revive

[bitter kraken]

It’s one thing to inherit someone’s will and another for that will to bring you back to life lol

[quick storm]

let it go lol

[weary cobalt]

If you read my reddit post, I gave a scenerio where it makes perfect sense if certain conceptions are held.

It really depends on how it is explained.

[hearty valley]

Interesting, I actually think the same. If Vegapunk was able to, surely the same counts for the Ancient scientists. How do you see the posssibility of the Gomu Gomu no Mi being Uranus?

[bitter kraken]

Okay I can actually buy that brook can prolly command life and death

[civic rock]

That keeps popping. Lol.

[weary cobalt]

The devil fruit transformation isn't coincidental with all the talks about the "Legendary fruit"

It's not just Luffy smiling, He is transforming.

[bitter kraken]

No no man luffy having an ancient weapon at his disposal is just too much, I still think Uranus is enels fruit tho. I’m his hands it’s harmless lol the guy is just chilling on the moon

[hearty valley]

Remember when Oden refused to perish when placed in that oven bec his will was too strong to save the Scabbards. If the will is strong enough, one can overcome death and 'return'. (at least in OP surely possible)

[random plaza]

Zephyr is canon or non canon?

[weary cobalt]

Not cannon

[bitter kraken]

No oden didn’t die cause his skin was like steel, his body was just too though similar to others like big mom

[random plaza]

Ok thanks

[stoic dirge]

Who's zephyr

[hearty valley]

Why not - close to death, he awakens his fruit doesn't seeem out of hand. Assuming the G5 talked about Gomu Gomu no Mi, than the fruit requires a certain will and conditions to be able to awaken and those had been reached after his defeat.

[bitter kraken]

An old dude from a movie

[elfin ermine]

don’t exactly believe this myself but what if the one piece has to do with a place where devil fruits grew naturally for the first time ever and part of the void century is the war of joyboy and the people on his side (fruit users) vs the void century version of the world government (haki users/haki developers for armament and such)

[stoic dirge]

I wonder what nika's backstory is about

[bitter kraken]

I wish they would have shown us how Kid and law awakened their fruits, that woulda given us atelast a hint about luffys

[hearty valley]

It was just an example regarding the strength of will. I am sure that him returning is related to his will to liberate the people of Wano and what allows him to find new strength with the awakening of his fruit.

[sharp anvil]

This is where my headcanon is going don't feed it more lol

[weary cobalt]

Implications from 1018 to now.

I don't think it's coincidental Nika was mentioned alongside the Gum Gum Fruit.

[civic rock]

No. One piece is a a thought that destroys the dividers of the world, red line, and make all seas as one piece again. All blue.

[elfin ermine]

LMFAO, like i feel like haki has always been around but the war forced them to make it even stronger

[elfin ermine]

could be a way to use the fruits to destroy the line

[stoic dirge]

Sanji on his way to get One Piece, what if One Piece is like the 4th great weapon of the void century?

nvm this is stupid

[sharp anvil]

I agree. I think devil fruits are the thing that wasn't always around.

[weary cobalt]

If anyone watched Gokaiger, I think the One piece is similar to the "Legendary treasure" in that show

[stoic dirge]

I haven't feel free to spoil it ig, other series?

[weary cobalt]

Basically the treasure allows you to recreate the universe to your whims but you forget your comrades or something

[bitter kraken]

It’s very likely that one piece is just a story, joy boys story and it was funny that’s roger and co laughed. Rayleigh told the crew that they might come to a different conclusion, what I’d like to happen tho is that in the future luffy encounters someone with the time time fruit and they send him back in time and it turns out luffy is really really joy boy

[stoic dirge]

ah gotchu

[hearty valley]

Nika seems a concept that may be much older than Joyboy itself or maybe the legend of Joyboy was passend down around the slaves in Mariejois through the name "Nika". I at least see it as likely that Nika is related to the historic Joyboy

[elfin ermine]

now this a theory i kind of really like and have been thinking about today, whag if the one piece is an almost final piece of music that either calls upon some being or something that can only hear that piece of work, and roger laughed because he did not have a musician on his crew. and with the drums happening right now. could be also why rayleigh was so persistent on helping luffy because he say he had brook and that was the one true thing the roger pirates were missing.

[weary cobalt]

I believe Nika is the name of the first Joyboy in the void century like how Luffy is Joyboy but his name is Luffy.

[civic rock]

I believe one piece is an event. Wherein the red line would be destroyed. And every seas unite again and people would live in one continent without divider.

[bitter kraken]

Joy boy lived before void century right?

[stoic dirge]

It would make sense if Joyboy, at the start of void century freed the slaves and created a revolution, by creating friends in his journey he created the ancient kingdom. However, ofc there are rebels and those that might believe that it is too much power in one hand so they took over and distributed it

[marble girder]

when did rayleigh say that?

[elfin ermine]

cause roger was that kind of uncaring and lighthearted with how he lives life. so when he realized his whole journey meant nothing because he was missing a musician. so he just couldn’t help but laugh at how close he was

[wise current]

Gasp

[bitter kraken]

If joy boy was a giant he would live longer than most, and he coulda he incarcerated and became the legend of nika

[hearty valley]

This may actually well be the case. Assuming that Mariejois was created after the Void History with the original 20 kingdoms wiping out the Lunarians. Than those that 'built' Mariejois were enslaved people from the Ancient Kingdom and passed the name Nika from generation of slaves to the next one.

[stoic dirge]

how long do giants live, is it given?

[wise current]

Joy boi ain't no giant

[bitter kraken]

The giant straw hat begs to differ