manga-theories

[reef sandal]

nami's dream doesn't actually need her to visit lagh tale, just for someone to survey it and provide her the information

luffy has to be the actor that realizes his dream but nami can delegate

[pure raven]

like what take pictures?

[reef sandal]

probably more like do paces for measurement and take notes on topography

or she could just teach someone basic surveying and cartography skills to mock her up a rough map draft

[pure raven]

... if you think that's fulfilling

like Robin teaching someone to read Poneglyphs and then telling her what they read
like Franky just seeing a pic of the Sunny in the ends of the world
like someone else beating the Yonko and making a path for Luffy to follow, making Luffy the first to step on Laugh Tale
like Chopper getting a team of researchers to find the cure for almost everything, then he adds the cure for the common cold on top of it

[dapper bramble]

so she can grow orange every day? that pretty boring story

[sinful helm]

her dream is too draw a perfect world map, not too visit laugh tale

[cyan berry]

laugh tale is part of the world

and she needs to visit islands in order to draw them

[mint barn]

ye

i think all blue would also be near laugh tale

[slate mirage]

When will She finish her dream though? It's hard to believe She will visit every island

Maybe She goes to the moon and sees the whole world from there

[tame mortar]

Kek I made a theory about Laugh Tale in the map
Basically, Laugh Tale resides on Grand Line with no magnetic field so no Log Poses can reach it (Stampede is non-canon)
So Laugh Tale is basically that one point in Grand Line sea that are hard to pinpoint due to normal compass not working, pretty much like Knock-up Stream back at Jaya, where SH need to get a South Bird to reach it.
4 points are points where Log Poses can point to, and using those 4 points, one can go to its intersection regardless of the weirdness of Grand Line ocean weather.

[agile tangle]

Interesting read

I mean of course they went against two admirals which is why they got defeated but still I think that sabo could have at least almost defeated one admiral so this sort of makes sense

Is this your theory?

What do you think he can use with the atoms?

[raw laurel]

The more I think about it the more I feel law will die

[neat agate]

it is the road ponigliff's work to pin point the location not south bird

[balmy anchor]

Brand new here. I don't know if anyone else has had this theory yet but thanks to a video I saw recently I have come up with my own theory that I haven't seen yet. If someone has come up with this theory already please let me know.

My theory is based upon rubber being turned into an eraser or more importantly Luffys devil fruit awakening being an erasing type of ability. This would explain the erasing of the void century. Meaning that Luffy would have that ability. The ability to erase everything from other devil fruit abilities to centuries of people's memories to world history. Maybe even erasing anything he wants. Which would explain why there is so much fear and why it hasn't awakened in so long. Maybe the last person to use the fruit before Luffy didn't have D in their name.

[vestal orbit]

some people have theories like that but most people aren't a fan of that

the world government was already in possession of luffy's fruit for one so they would have had no reason to be shocked

[neat agate]

nice theory but joy boy I guess had luffy's devil fruit before but erasing is not it and erasing memories is pudding's df

[balmy anchor]

I also believe he can turn himself into a full giant not just an arm or leg.

Awesome. Thanks. I'll be sure to check the channel for other theories.

[neat agate]

check ohara yt channel

[trim atlas]

Since we now know that blade could actually get stronger by turning into black blade.
Could it be possible for a sword to have grade upgrade too?
Having a theory that Zoro won't get any Supreme Grade Sword (Saijō Ō Wazamono), but instead, he will beat someone with SGS (if i have to guess probably Shodai Kitetsu or Yoru), destroy the SGS with Wado Ichimonji, Wado turn black, and level up to SGS, that would be cool. Since we all know Wado Ichimonji is more special to Zoro than any other swords.

[neat agate]

nice theory

[trim atlas]

thanks, and i just remember by reading from wiki, that we actually have someone with Rust Rust Fruit (Shu from Marine), that's damn op, imagine if this guy become sword hunter and rusting all Grade Swords, with enough time, everyone probably being left with standard steel sword to fight with 😂

[neat agate]

lol

[fossil basin]

He rusts yubashiri in enieslobby arc

[neat agate]

yes

[rose sundial]

My entire history thoery, both the kozuki clan and the D clan are on equal standing they followed joyboy which is a title given to someone and rn its inherited will, minks joined with the kozuki clan as a alliance and later became buddies prolly cuz of zunesha, these these 3 characters: the d clan kozuki and joyboy together failed to bring the dawn as joyboy apologized to mermaid princess that he failed to keep his promise , they most likely lost to the world govts top ppl they prolly used the 3 god weapons to destroy all of the world and reshaped it again and then formed the world govt

The kozuki lost and isolated themselves and zunesha is apologizing to joyboy maybe and d clan got a mission to find the person owho will brin the new dawn in the later ages

[vale current]

Mind boggling theory man lol can you elaborate a bit more?

[rose sundial]

He did rust zoros sword once then he found shisui

[vale current]

What would be zunesha's crime? They failed bc zunesha for some reason betrayed them or something?

I'd guess Zunesha was actually hypnotized by Imu in order to destroy Noah to render it useless at the time. Or to do smth else. This a bit stretch but would be bc Im and Zunesha have the same eye pattern, some ppl theorized hypnosis for Im's ability

[foggy sedge]

Fire

[rose sundial]

Yes i did not think of that many details but to me this looks like a solid thoery wdy think

Zunesha failed to keep a his certain part of mission and most likely is punishing himself without anyones order and fishmen were most likely a part of this war too put then joyboy let them escape through noah (could also be a reason celestial dragons discriminate them) and mermaid princess agreed to escape and are waiting for the dawn too

[neat agate]

nice

[clever lintel]

A little conversation on the sub made me think about Yamato's character arc trajectory with comparison to other strawhats in regards to characters retaining aspects of their coping mechanisms they used to deal with their sad circumstances. Usopp lying to deal with the loneliness from the absence of his father, Nami's greed to attain freedom for her home, Sanji's grand chivalry from his mother and Reiju, Brook's jokes, etc. Yamato taking on the performance of "being Oden" and "becoming a man" may be retained to some degree if they are to become a strawhat when looking at the character construction of the crew.

[tacit veldt]

I really want to see Yamato interact with the crew, she's been running around carefully avoiding every single one of them except for a brief exchange with Franky

And there she had some Bartolomeo SH fangirl vibes

[quasi roost]

The way I saw Yamato was she has identity crisis, so for her to finally accept that she is Yamato, the daughter of Kaido is the big character moment.

[clever lintel]

I see the son of kaido to turn into Yamato, one of a thousand suns. Since Jinbei's epithet is also a play on him be part of the sun pirates.

[clever lintel]

It's weird that they haven't met any of the scabbards.

[amber oar]

Just a small observation - Sanji's chivarly coming from Sora and Reiju is a myth spread by an instagram page long ago. Sounds like a sweet idea but his chivalry comes entirely from Zeff's upbringing.

Not trying to invalidate your point tho, just pointing something

[muted ember]

I think one could argue that the totality of chivalry is more than not hitting women and that his mom definitely helped him develop some of those values

[amber oar]

His mom raised him to be kind to anyone in general, hence the scene in which he's feeding rats

The chivalry side definitely comes from Zeff

[wet glade]

agreed

[rose sundial]

yes like he fed the east blue guy who was starving

[clever lintel]

No doubt that the chivalry comes from Zeff, I'm just saying that the sole respite in Germa was his mother and sister while all his male family members are abusive.

[tacit veldt]

Has Sanji ever expressed how he feels about kicking Big Mom? He surely had many occasions but he didnt actually interact much with her

I'd expect him to refuse to do so, but It would be funny to hear what he has to say on the matter

[balmy anchor]

After you asked me to elaborate I did some digging into all the uses of rubber and have now expanded my theory to include things like Luffy's body being able to turn into a shock absorber. Which would mean that no attack can harm him except maybe Conquerors haki but since Luffy will be able to erase things maybe he can erase that as well. Rubber is the most versatile substance on the planet and can be turned into things like erasers, molds, silicone, and can be soft, hard, sticky etc. It can be heated up to be vulcanized while remaining mailable as it's being heated. That lead me to the idea that Luffy's devil fruit awakening could include being able to copy/ create a mold of any devil fruit he has come into contact with. Such as the stickiness of mochi (heated rubber/ chewing gum) or the strings of Doflamingo (Luffy's would be rubber strings or maybe similar to spider silk??). I also Don't believe Akainu can kill Luffy as heated rubber would survive only to become a stronger material. It may only be once Luffy's devil fruit awakens but I think that's why Oda made sure Akainu wasn't able to touch Luffy in the war. A few things I believe is coming with Luffy's devil fruit is super hardness/ bounciness like golf balls/ shopping cart tires. Super stickiness like heated rubber/ chewing gum. Lastly the ability to be made into other compounds when combined with other materials such as sand, fibers, metal, glass (maybe Mira Mira no mi) etc. How many materials has Luffy come into contact with during his journeys? How many compounds can he now make without knowing it? The awakening of his devil fruit is without a doubt the one that the Gorosei worry about awakening.

I feel this is made more true by my theory of how rubber can be mixed with so many things to create new compounds and how rubber makes erasers. Meaning Luffy's devil fruit is the most dangerous in all of One Piece when awakened.

I just realized one amazing quality of rubber.... the ability to rebound. IE/ Luffy's awakened devil fruit should be able to rebound any attack from any devil fruit and non devil fruit attack.

[clever lintel]

He blocked a punch alongside Luffy. Actually hitting her, who knows.

[balmy anchor]

The last piece of my theory is this. Luffy's devil fruit will not awaken until he fights with Black Beard. Black Beard will swallow Luffy's crew into his Dark-Dark fruits black hole and Luffy will respond by awakening his devil fruit and ERASING Black Beards black hole thus saving his crew in the process.

[raw laurel]

Why law might have to die

https://www.reddit.com/r/WildAnimeTheories/comments/svktl1/why_law_may_die/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[wintry lake]

Luffy has to be more powerful before going against bb, he’s the top antagonist right now, and could be the last one in the one piece history, I believe luffy will have a lot empowers before going against anyone after kaido, remember he’s against yonkos… that’s like almost ending a top power chart inside rhe whole one piece world, there might be other devil fruit standards after the history goes on

[pine delta]

eh

[slender fulcrum]

I think he'll beat kaido with a " lucky " awakening of his DF and won't be able to use it as he wants to. We might not even see it but just a shadow of it
He'll then master it vs BB and we'll see the true extent of it

[split glacier]

Can only pray he doesn't have the ability to erase things

[sinful helm]

wait who? Luffy or BB? i sure hope you dont mean luffy bcs that would be so dissapointing

im now scared of oda making eraser of rubber df lmao

[balmy anchor]

Think of it this way. Fluffy isn't always at the power level he should be when he takes on enemies. Big Mom, Kairi etc. This is why I said something will happen like Luffy and his crew either go after or accidentally run into BB and BB swallows Luffy's crew in his black hole. Basically forcing Luffy's devil fruit to awaken. Meaning it doesn't matter if he's strong enough to go against BB because his devil fruit will awaken and he'll have the power to erase BB's devil fruit power rendering him powerless to fight against Luffy.

Hahahah it put fluffy not Luffy. Kilda auto correct

Wow. Also Kairi not kaido????

Something like the two crews meet up at Laugh Tale for the final showdown.

But not on purpose

[split glacier]

It would be disappointing for the Luffy to have this magical OP fruit that has the ability to erase things from existence. At least he didn't at the stretch thru time and space part.

[sinful helm]

I mean i can see BB getting something op fruit abilities but when there is space (kuma) and time(toki)df i always thought that bbs is Chaos df

[split glacier]

Blackbeard is meant to be OP like that tho.

If the time fruit is just travelling to the future then that's kinda whack. Wonder who got it now...
And i mean the additional part to the Luffy awakening theory (or at least one of them) was him being able to do all of that but i know that was more trolly than anything.

[rapid geode]

I think law will give up his life to use the ultimate op-op surgery. I have no theory as to why, but with the amount they have teased it, i can't imagine it not playing a role

[raw laurel]

I think he just dies, the surgery was already done by a previous user

[sharp anvil]

I think the surgery is a key part to ruling the world the way it is now. If the world is really torn apart and made anew there would be no need for his fruits ability.

[sinful helm]

isnt his fruit op ability like immortality? why is there no point in it

[raw laurel]

Another reason to kill law.

His dead would motivate the straw hats and kid.

The straw hats seeing kid die will be motivated to get stronger.

Zoro will take it hard and blame himself for not being able to finish king earlier or doing more against kaido and pushes him to really turn his blade black.

Sanji will blame himself for not using his raid suit because with it he could have beaten queen a lot easier and had enough energy to maybe help more.

Luffy will blame himself for not being stronger even though he is already strong it wasn’t enough.

Kid who fought alongside law will also feel this guilt

This will push these 2 to get pass their stubbornness and grudgingly help each other get stronger.

Kid will teach luffy awakening and luffy will teach kid acoc.

However it will be funny as both are bad at explaining how it works.

It would just be them explaining something badly and the other shouting “ what the hell does that mean !? “

But eventually they figure it out.
Kid gets acoc and hits big mom and luffy gets awakening which he uses to get way more damage on kaido

[raw laurel]

External youth not Immortality

[sinful helm]

Eternal youth = Immortality idk what you see different?

[stone trail]

so zoro dead

[warped wagon]

You can still kill someone who is eternal young but not someone Whos immortal

[cyan saddle]

any decent ideas or theories about Nika? Who is he? Relation to JoyBoy/Imu?

[junior nebula]

I think he is Joy boy (and that is one theory)

[modest skiff]

@icy stag no other series references outside of #other-series

[icy stag]

I mean it was just an example for the comments above but alr

[tacit veldt]

At this point Nika might as well be another companion of Joyboy

He was joyboy's Usopp, and like him freed slaves that worshipped him as a God

In all seriousness, right now we know nothing about even when Nika lived, or if he lived at all. The only thing you can do Is try and tie him up with other lore bits revealed in the same context, during the Onigashima raid.

So maybe Oda in this arc about leaders and followers wants to start introducing characters that belonged to Joyboy's inner circle

[raw laurel]

Immortality = nothing kills you,
Eternal age = you will never die from age.
If you get shot in the head and die your not immortal

[pure raven]

Oda really likes sprinkling in "in the age of the dinosaurs" in everything lol

[coarse peak]

Robin will die and the voice of all things will help luffy to read the poneglyphs

[silver sphinx]

Joyboy couldve been a captain and Zunesha and Nika were his crewmats.

Ryuma could’ve been too but idk when he lived

[solid badger]

That Nika must be real powerful

Might be wrong but I belive ryuma was alive 500 years ago?

[silver sphinx]

idk maybe

But if so, Toki (or whoever was the df holder at the time) could’ve sent him forward in time

[timber silo]

idrc but it was said he lived centuries ago

[warped wagon]

Damn I rly like this idea

That would fit very nice

[agile tangle]

A lot of people think joyboy is Nika?

I've seen that Luffy has some Nika fruit before

[modest skiff]

We don't know know when exactly he was around, just a long time ago

[pure raven]

This theory is already invalid since the bombs already went off

[coarse peak]

@raw laurel The show is setting up for kidd, law and luffy to be yonkos. BM and Kaido are/are about to be dethroned as yonkos. But you still have black beard and shanks as solidified yonkos and both will probably be until end game, so I assume either kidd or law will die and luffy and kidd/law will be official yonkos. Also Oda said in an interview that he never meant for law to be as important to the series and law is a stronger swordsman than zoro. Zoros dream is to be the greatest swordsman but he can’t do that with law in the picture because laws sword is used directly in conjunction with his DF. I doubt law will make it to end game. Just a theory and I could be wrong, but only time will tell.

[raw laurel]

One went off the rest didn’t

[raw laurel]

Very good point.
Law has to die over kid because kid isn’t as impactful to us and kid was planned from the start, he was the only supernova and was suppose to be luffys rival but oda created the others at the last moment.

[coarse peak]

You might be on to something

Hopefully not

I’ve seen a theory that luffys gears are related to a combustion engine. You have intake, compression, combustion and exhaust. I can’t unsee it.

[quick hatch]

Gear 3 , gear ? , gear 2, gear ????

[cyan saddle]

i keep thinking this may be the case. imu use to be part of joy boys crew. so was nika and others. crew had split up though

[warped wagon]

Just to have it written here
I could imagine Nika being from Choppers ts Island, they have the same eye on their shoulder like Whos who (nr 1 Nika fanboy) in his chest and they also look like Nika After lockdown 😂

[wet glade]

maybe law will do the immortality surgery on Zoro

[split glacier]

Or he might not use it at all. Maybe there's a secret to reverse it on someone from a current user without his own death.. But he is a D so...

[hearty igloo]

Who’s Nika?

[warped wagon]

Sungod who Whos who told us from

[shrewd snow]

Any spoilers or early release for 1041?

[quick hatch]

Not the place to ask.

[agile tangle]

I think that oars at marineford was being sold as a slave on God valley, Rocks wanted to get all the powerful slaves

And celestial dragons don't eat devil fruits so there couldn't have been fruits on the island

And the reason why Garp had to intervene was because it has been stated by big mom that if she took control of the giants she could rule the world and so allowing the giants to be slaves would be better than rocks becoming more powerful and taking over the world

And it's a popular theory (I think) that whitebeard betrayed the rocks pirates on God valley to team up and defeat rocks. I think he probably saved oars which is why oars is with whitebeard

But I still wonder why the island disappeared?

[amber oar]

ok, this time I'll ask directly. To not leave you without an answer, tuesday or wednesday as always. But I want to ask something. Why this channel? Not judging, not complaining, I'm just curious because a large amount of newcomers choose this channel to ask instead of #manga for some reason, there's nothing about this channel that suggests this is the place to ask, but people keep coming here, so I wonder why does it happen.

[agile tangle]

Either smth to do with rocks fruit? Maybe he had the quake fruit? But it doesn't make sense tho, I could see whitebeard having it when he was on the rocks pirates or rocks gifting it to him

Although whitebeard is pretty skilled with a sword

But to specifically get the quake fruit when it could have spawned anywhere around the world would be rather weird

Oh maybe the oars went to pull the continent?

The first oars was known as the continent puller right? So maybe the (fourth?) oars went to pull the island

[vapid minnow]

this channel isn’t active like the others so easier to get noticed

[agile tangle]

Is it plausible?

[amber oar]

Where is this stated though? Doffy and Rocinante did eat devil fruits, then again they're both exiled. But I don't recall being explicitly stated that they don't eat DFs

At most that they give them to slaves for amusement (which honestly is not the smartest approach )

[agile tangle]

No I'm not saying that it's some rule or smth, it's just how it's been. So far the celestial dragons we know of generally use guns as weapons because perhaps they associate devil fruit with devils and consider themselves gods

I was just thinking because a theory I read that devil fruits were being sold or smth at god valley and I thought it wouldn't be possible

[pure raven]

Doffy and rocinante ate their df out of poverty

[vapid minnow]

Trebol gave Doffy his fruit

[amber oar]

and Cora must have obtained his DF in the Navy

specially given he was given a spying mission

[agile tangle]

Ya so that's why I think so

[sand sandal]

so how is everyone up to

[weak plaza]

I found this theory on Facebook by fan name: safee.dovahkin

You can check on wiki "jayabaya"```

What do you guys think ?

[solid terrace]

This is not a long theory but I believe the final ponygliff will be at God's valley, or on the remnants of God's valley, thats how roger had a brief idea of where it was in the flashback, and the straw hat's way of finding it would be brook who was alive and knew about places before the island crashed.

[lunar topaz]

Is momonosuke Uranus??
and Vivi is pluton??

[fading sierra]

Luffy is uranus

[vapid minnow]

Nami is Uranus @lunar topaz

[weak finch]

Chopper is Uranus

[silk ocean]

Franky is Uranus

I think the ONE PIECE is ||binks sake||

[wintry lake]

Everyone is thinking about law dying, robin, zoro, sanji, etc. What about Yamato, she was just introduced and might be a sacrifice character just like pedro, she loves luffy, shés like a bartho but male

[weak arrow]

@fading sierra @vapid minnow @lunar topaz @weak finch @silk ocean This is not the channel.

[lunar topaz]

a what

[vapid minnow]

I was being serious, idk about everyone else

[lunar topaz]

no me too

[weak arrow]

A post that is "X is Uranus" is not going to spark any discussion. Please explain why you believe so. Otherwise, it's more fit for #manga or #also-manga

[lunar topaz]

imu was picking up vivi's photo at reverie
second polnegryph in alabasta
and momo can command zunisha

[vapid minnow]

Right but Momo speaking to Zunesha doesn’t exclusively mean Uranus

[lunar topaz]

no i mean he can command it which basically like commanding an island 💀 since zunisha's body

[vapid minnow]

yeah he command it but there can be either factors than labelling it Uranus. It sounds lazy imo, don’t think that’s what the deal is with Momo and Zunesha

[lunar topaz]

how about vivi tho

[vapid minnow]

Vivi’s mom is on Kuma’s bible

[lunar topaz]

and second polnegryph in alabasta and WHAT?

[vapid minnow]

so there is some kind of ancient connection there

[vapid minnow]

look at Kuma’s bible and the photo of Vivi’s mom. They’re identical

[lunar topaz]

can you show me

[primal cargo]

I think that "x person is Uranus/Pluton" is a case of making theories based on the very last thing we saw.
In this case the last thing we saw was Poseidon being a person, therefore people start thinking the other two must also be people.
But imo that's missing the point of why learning that Poseidon was a person was so cool in the first place. It was unexpected, we didn't know that was a possibility.
Surely if the other Ancient Weapons reveals are to be as cool as Poseidon's, they will have to be surprising as well.

[lunar topaz]

Yeah bro

[primal cargo]

Same thing about "Uranus has the power to control Zunesha" and stuff like that. Those feel really short-sighted to me

[lunar topaz]

Are there any chance it might be a devil fruit??

[weak arrow]

Well one of the most common theories that existed for uranus prior to the zunesha chapter was it was dragon's devil fruit.

[lunar topaz]

Oh yeah since Uranus is a god Capable to control wind and weather

[primal cargo]

Yeah I'm very on board with Uranus being something to do with the weather. Even if it's not a Devil Fruit it can be something in Dragon's possession

[lunar topaz]

and I think second polnegryph in alabasta was about uranus or idk

[primal cargo]

the what now

[lunar topaz]

I don't know it could probably be some other deep lore too 👀

[primal cargo]

No but what second poneglyph

[lunar topaz]

Alabasta

@primal cargo

[vapid minnow]

Vivi can be translated as Bibi
Bibi as in Bible

[lunar topaz]

Damn

[vapid minnow]

There’s also a sun behind the woman in Kuma’s bible

[primal cargo]

Yo what's this from ?

[vapid minnow]

that’s filler

[lunar topaz]

NOOOOOO

filler really ruined it but I think oda won't add this important thing as a filler like it's a polnegrpyh

[teal widget]

reach

[clear kraken]

big mom hasnt been defeaten properly she just got taken out of the battle but she was still able to keep fighting

[pale laurel]

if BM is still battle ready she might as well just fly back up to Onigashima with a homie as soon as she lands. I think she will be out for the count for a little while

[gloomy canyon]

#manga-theories message
@narrow ether read this

[inner dawn]

what does "serious theories" mean

[gloomy canyon]

It means we want people to put genuine effort and thought into crafting theories in this channel

Don't want people joking or making low effort attempts in here

[gloomy canyon]

@pure raven

[buoyant perch]

I think aokiji is actually being a spy on BBs crew...since akainu tells the gorosei not to worry about him...and BB might soon figure this out and prolly kill him...and koby might get his DF....cuz idts he s getting CoC..

[desert hatch]

hoping next chapter is lit, yuderon said there was a pun on joyboy for 1041 but he always stretches shit. would be lit tho

[modest skiff]

Let’s not use this channel for idle conversation please. The topic of a theory is not sufficient, it also needs to be a developed idea with effort

[raw laurel]

Thoughts on law dying ?

[grand walrus]

there is the checkovs gun that we were introduced to laws fruit being used to grant eternal youth and killing the user. Oda will need to make use of that somehow. So there is a good chance law dies, but if not there will need to be a plot point of law possibly dying and then somehow not dying

law did save luffys life for some unknown reason after marineford. did we ever get an explanation as to laws morivation for doing so?

[raw laurel]

There’s actually 2 Chekhov’s gun and one of them is always forgotten.

When law was in punk hazard he was using his room on and off to teleport and chopper says, “ why don’t you make a giant room and just teleport where you want to go in one move instead of doing it little by little “
Law says “ my powers work off of my life force if I make it to big I could use up my life force to quickly and die “

He has been doing this in this fight and is beyond the brink of exhaustion and I think something goes wrong and the bombs start to explode and law uses his room to cover all of onigashima and parts of wano or zunisha and he teleports everyone off on the island onto safe ground and doing so will be beyond his limits and that drains his life force and that’s what kills him

Cp0 fails to capture robin but they steal the fruit instead

[grand walrus]

i think your hypothetical scenario is possible and would make for good drama. also people who complained about characters not dying would be proven completely wrong because instead of some minor character nobody really cares about its a character that everyone is attached to

[raw laurel]

Exactly it’s the ultimate fake out just like Ace.

And it explains why law is getting all these great moments. Oda is really hyping law up he carried the fight with big mom and even made big mom panic in terror.

Even when they passed out kid fell on his back while law was just sitting there acting cool while unconscious.

[grand walrus]

and then we see the other checkovs gun of the ope ope no mi used later by the WG having it. although it might be more dramatic for blackbeard to get it

[raw laurel]

Well I don’t think we need to see it being used because we already seen the affects. Imu could be the result of the last immortal surgery maybe he eats the fruit and gains laws powers plus the eternal youth though I prefer if he controlled water

[glacial cave]

Is Hawkins behind the grim reaper

[amber oar]

Evil shanks is a popular theory, and as many popular things, it's garbage

He has weird connections but his actions throughout the story don't line up with a secret evil character with a secret evil plan.

[solid nacelle]

Yeah I agree with what you said

[modest skiff]

Just FYI, if there is some sort of leak (there isn't right now), we don't allow it anywhere other than the spoiler channel. Not in the theories channel

[solid nacelle]

Aight, but I am not sure that legit leak

[modest skiff]

Could you please edit out that image just in case?

[solid nacelle]

Sure bro

[gloomy canyon]

It’s 100% fake, no leaks are out yet. Won’t get anything real til Tuesday

But regardless, don’t post potentially real or fake spoilers in any channel

[thorn sparrow]

send it to me the image

[coarse peak]

I think as valuable as robin is to finding the one piece, the WG will try to kill/capture her. The straw hats won’t be too pleased with this. If she does die, I think the voice of all things will guide luffy. Apparently Roger could hear the voice of all things very frequently but it has only spoke to luffy a few times

[coarse peak]

There is a theory that Shanks is the child of one of the celestial dragons

He has some kind of connection to the WG because they allowed him to speak to the nobles

[ancient veldt]

I prefer the idea that Shanks was a nobody that became big, you know?

[vale current]

The fact he stole the gomu df from the WG can only mean he's not evil. But I'd guess Shanks could be not good or evil exactly but a manipulator

[ancient veldt]

Could you explain what you mean when you say stealing the devil fruit from the World Government equates to being 'not evil' ?

[pure raven]

bro we dont know shit bout shanks. He could be depcited as someone good for 20 years 💀 but then turns out to be a whole asshole and new person we have never seen.

[ancient veldt]

Sorry if it puts you on the spot, I am just not sure how doing so equals to being seen as not evil.

[pure raven]

just because he stole the fruit just makes him a good pirate. It doesnt mean anything else like him being good minded

[vale current]

Yea weird statement of mine. But I tried to imply this: now that we know a bit more, we could assume gomu df is somewhat special and that it's meaningful to the WG. Then Shanks steals it from them, which would be quite a damage. Meaning that at least he's not as wicked or smth

Then I said this could as well be a manipulation move of Shanks, not necessarily righteously intended

[ancient veldt]

I see where you are coming from, but if the Gomu was so important to the World Government, wouldn't the elders of shown some sort of anger towards Shanks when he faced them? I feel like the whole thing with the Gomu is a red herring, or atleast that's my personal opinion.

[vale current]

Yes. But I think this anger prob either exist but isn't really shown exactly why they said Shanks is a special one (sorta meaning they can't afford be against him or confronting), or they did confront over that but the conflict been resolved somehow, again bc Shanks is special

All this about Shanks is speculation we really know Jack shit

[ancient veldt]

Fair enough. My personal want is that Shanks was a nobody who grew up, learned a lot and became strong, witnessed the growth of his Captain becoming the King of the Pirates, and then sees Luffy as the next coming and is simply trying to make the world a better place for Luffy to assume the metaphorical throne.

I feel like if Shanks vs Luffy ever happens it is not going to be because Shanks is evil, but to make Luffy prove to him he deserves it or something along those lines.

[ionic drift]

How do you explain his relationship to the Gorosei through?

[agile tangle]

I think a lot of people think shanks is some sort of gatekeeper

I can't remember what he's gatekeeping tho? Maybe testing to see if Luffy is strong enough

[ancient veldt]

Him meeting and having a good relationship with the Gorosei doesn't contradict being a nobody that made it.

Could be seen as them recognizing his feats and how important he has become through his own journey.

[agile tangle]

Nah I think the most popular theory is that he's the son of some celestial dragon

Or that he's the son of rocks

[ancient veldt]

I get that is the most popular theory, I simply choose to not want to believe that.

[agile tangle]

Ya I know I'm just saying

A lot of people use roger saying that he hasn't held a baby for so long as a reason for shanks being rock's son which I don't really understand because that can just be a general statement and I think people are reading too much into it

[ancient veldt]

The theory I really love is that Dragon isn't Garp's son.

[agile tangle]

I don't know why but when I first knew about shanks I always thought he was a d? Like when we realised d has something more to it I always thought he was a d

[agile tangle]

Hm I never really understood that tho

Like why? Why would there be a reason for dragon not to be garp's son

[ancient veldt]

How so? He looks nothing like Garp, whereas Luffy is drawn to look exactly like him (in the aged confirmed pictures) and Garp never once refers to him as his son, just Luffy's father.

[agile tangle]

I've only read snippets of the theory so I don't know everything

That is true

[ancient veldt]

The theory is that the biological child of Garp is Luffy's mother, and Dragon is Rock's son who took on the Monkey last name to erase Rocks further.

[agile tangle]

Wow

What's like the main proof for this?

[ancient veldt]

Cause Dragon does sorta kinda look like Dragon?

[ornate steppe]

There is none

[agile tangle]

The hair of dragon looking similar to rocks?

[ancient veldt]

There is no real main proof, just a lot of things that line up if you lay down and squint

[agile tangle]

I mean you can argue that ace looks nothing like roger

[ornate steppe]

Garp looks a lot like Luffy and even other characters (Don Chinjao and Akainu) have stated that he’s Dragon’s son

[ancient veldt]

Yeah you could, but that's the cool thing about theories you know

[agile tangle]

No if I remember correctly the theory is based of dragon not being explicitly stated as garp's son, only luffy's father

[ornate steppe]

I do have a headcanon that would be really cool if true

[agile tangle]

Share it here, I'll give it a read

[ancient veldt]

^^ 😄

[agile tangle]

Alright just ping me when you do

I would say I think shanks could be rock's son

[ornate steppe]

There’s a tell for people that had the immortality operation on them, and it’s found in the eyes gaining rings on them. Notice how Imu, Zunesha, and Mihawk have the same eyes? I bet they got operated on with the Op-Op fruit

[agile tangle]

I always thought of shanks to be a d

Interesting

[ornate steppe]

Imu sits on the empty throne, Zunesha is literally Joyboy’s companion, and Mihawk having immortality would totally fit with his vampire design

[agile tangle]

Hm so it would have to be the previous user of the op op fruit yes? Like the immediate previous user before law

[ornate steppe]

Yeah

[agile tangle]

Wow that makes sense

I think a lot of people might not agree with mihawk being immortal tho

[ancient veldt]

Actually, that would explain his attitude towards fighting

finding almost everything boring, then Shanks came about got happy to fight again and then with Shanks losing his arm, his excitement died again.

And it would explain why he is so fine with training Zoro to overtake him, he is an immortal powerful swordsman.

[ornate steppe]

Mihawk might be immortal due to the operation, but he’s basically still in his 40’s and probably isn’t lying about his age unlike Bonney

[cyan berry]

Why would Mihawk be immortal

People can get bored in a normal life

Especially when you're already so far ahead of everyone on the planet

[ornate steppe]

1. Would fit his vampire theme (since they tend to last long)
2. Would explain why he has ringed eyes

[cyan berry]

You don't need to be an immortal vampire for that

Ringed eyes mean nothing

Some characters just get them in suspenseful moments

[ornate steppe]

Of course of course, but it’s still notable that Mihawk gained his epithet from his hawk eyes

[cyan berry]

Ringed eyes also aren't an indication of immortality

[agile tangle]

I never really understood immortality because I always thought it meant you couldn't die but stories usually mean immorality as eternal youth

[ornate steppe]

It’s a headcanon after all, not absolute fact

[agile tangle]

Or at least you can't die unless of external circumstances which doesn't even mean immortality I think

[cyan berry]

Yes which means i can argue against it

Headcanon doesn't give you an immunity against counter arguments

[ornate steppe]

It’s like how people automatically assume the straw hat in Mariejois is actually Joyboys

[agile tangle]

But that would mean that mihawk would have had the operation performed on him at a young age

[cyan berry]

No other series spoilers here please

[hoary hatch]

For fictional stories, immortality = "won't die naturally and is really hard to kill" will usually work out better. Truly indestructible character will mess up any story if they take an active part in it.

[agile tangle]

Because if you see mihawk as a kid, he already had those eyes

[ornate steppe]

Yeah that’s what I’m thinking

[ancient veldt]

literally not a spoiler what?

[ornate steppe]

It would make for a depressing backstory too

[ancient veldt]

It was an example of something that was release 11 years ago?

[cyan berry]

Anything outside the name of the main character of another series cannot be said anywhere outside of #other-series

[agile tangle]

Ya that is true thanks

[cyan berry]

People always get into Naruto

[ancient veldt]

Bro it had context, I wasn't just pulling it randomly

[cyan berry]

I am aware

And still, you can't talk about other series outside of #other-series

And even then, you have to use spoiler tags

[ancient veldt]

Let me understand this completely, if I want to reference something that may have a great example in something outside of One Piece, I have to derail this conversation and put it in the other series area (in a spoiler even if it has been out for over a decade) and tell people in here to look in that chat, before returning to the conversation at hand? Just not wanting to get in trouble further.

[agile tangle]

I feel that even if those eyes don't mean immorality, they have some sort of significance

[cyan berry]

Yes Monke

[ancient veldt]

Aight, anyway

the point I was making was, I see immortality as a 'body and soul cannot die' - so you can cut up the body and burn it, but it still is alive

so headless man go walkabout finding head comedy ensues, haha - sort of deal, ya know?

[ornate steppe]

I have another theory which is a bit of a stretch but I believe in it nonetheless: All the Ancient Weapons are organic/alive

[ancient veldt]

Isn't one literally a ship made by Frankie's mentor? literally going mind blank on the fishmans name...

[cyan berry]

Nah

The ship was a counter to the actual Pluton

Which is somewhere in Alabasta

It isn't actually the ancient weapon

[ornate steppe]

The only ancient weapon we’ve seen is Shirahoshi, and she’s a living creature

[ancient veldt]

bruh imagine if that giant crocadile was pluton

[ornate steppe]

I bet Pluton is related to the Klabautermann, considering it’s one of the most magical aspects of One Piece and even manifested in the Going Merry

[cyan berry]

Pluton isn't a ship

[ornate steppe]

Klabauttermann isn’t a ship

[agile tangle]

Tom I think

[ancient veldt]

Oh is that the uh, magical spirit thing that spoke to God Usopp?

[ornate steppe]

There’s even theories going about that Momonosuke is Uranus

[agile tangle]

Isn't it?

[cyan berry]

Well it could be I guess

[pure raven]

Kuma is bonney son

[cyan berry]

But we don't know anything about it

[agile tangle]

I thought Franky threw away the blueprints

[cyan berry]

We just know that it's somewhere in Alabasta

[pure raven]

He burned them

[cyan berry]

And that the blueprints Franky had were made to counter the actual weapon

[agile tangle]

Or like burned the plans for it?

[pure raven]

He burned the blueprints

[agile tangle]

Really? I thought it was pluton blueprints

[cyan berry]

Nah

Well

I need to make sure actually

But I think the blueprints were for a different thing made to counter Pluton

But again, I could be wrong

So reread it yourself to make sure

[ancient veldt]

Pluton is one of the three Ancient Weapons, alongside Poseidon and Uranus. Pluton is a highly advanced warship capable of mass destruction, labelled the World's Worst Battleship (世界最悪の戦艦 Sekai Saiaku no Senkan?).[1][2] It was constructed long ago in the city of Water 7 in the Grand Line.[3][4] The battleship is capable of destroying whole islands in a single shot and is said to sleep somewhere in Arabasta Kingdom.[5] Pluton was first mentioned by Crocodile when he questioned Nefertari Cobra of its whereabouts.[6] Direct from the Wiki.

[agile tangle]

Oh so it was pluton

[cyan berry]

Okay yeah I'm a dumbass then

My bad

[ancient veldt]

All good, we are talking about thousand chapters, it was so far to the front

[pure raven]

Yeah u are right. I’m tryna find what chapters these panels were from.

It’s mostly from chapter 399

[raw laurel]

I think he’s joyboy

[edgy viper]

This is an interesting connection
To add to your point: in the language that most people associate with the Bible bar Latin, which is Hebrew, the names "Vivi" and "Bibi" can be written identical. Nefertari also stems from the egyptian "men nefer", which means "eternal beauty" and can be linked to "medu nefer", which means a just and honest speech coming from the inside. This you can then link to the Hebrew term "neder", which translates to "vow" or "promise", mostly to a god. Which is exactly what the Nefertari family thought they did until Robin came along, Cobra was convinced his ancestors made a vow to the CDs to protect Pluton
This would be a strech if it wasn't for Arabasta to be so blatantly based on Egypt, and this culture overlapped with the Jewish culture for quite some time historically

[past gust]

Hello here

[raw laurel]

Here’s my theory on what the ssg is, tell me what you think

https://www.reddit.com/r/WildAnimeTheories/comments/swxs2w/the_ssg_program_part_1_lunarian_blood/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[agile tangle]

That would be interesting

Definitely a good twist but the only thing we got is because he said so it seems I am needed when he read the diary right?

[raw laurel]

No there’s a bit more. Oda said that luffy isn’t the main character of wano and the fact zunisha is a member of joyboy crew yet he only follows orders from momo

[pure raven]

shanks purposely stole the gum gum fruit and knew luffy would eat it

[raw laurel]

I don’t think so

[pure raven]

If Usopps lies really do come true then he wont be a part of the weakling trio anymore. in Post timeskip saboady he said so

[timber silo]

that wasn't a lie

[pure raven]

it was

[timber silo]

he was just hoping and admitting himself to get stronger

it's not really like his other lies are but i get what you mean

[pure raven]

k

[agile tangle]

Not doubting you but where did oda say that Luffy isn't main character of wano

[raw laurel]

In the latest sbs I think

[agile tangle]

Hm can't find anything

[sinful helm]

his lies are the giant goldfish, fighting giants etc those kind of lies him lifting his own spirits started since we met him

[radiant light]

Chapter of that pic? Wat is ssg?

2 theories on lafayette
1)He is a lunarian and use make up to live in full light thats why he is so white
2) he ate pegasus pegasus zoan df.

[mortal field]

2nd one is way more likely, a lunarian (from what King shown us) needs to have fire on their back. There’s no way of hiding it unless they purposely out it out.

[raw laurel]

Ssg is a scientific research group aimed at replacing the warlord system so the marines can wage war on the yonko

[raw laurel]

They have to have white hair and dark skin and black wings.

I say he is more of a albatross df zoan

[latent zodiac]

Do people consider zeus nakama?

[muted ember]

Ig we should, but I won't

[raw laurel]

He’s like the ship. It’s nakama but it’s not part of the crew same with zues he’s a straw hat by extension like how vivi could come back and her bird would be a pet

[vapid minnow]

Hi, thanks for your response.
I had some ideas as to how these were connections with Hebrew language and Egyptian culture. But to this degree assuming that’s it is tied to the vow of Alabasta’s poneglyph makes some sense. So something else that caught my attention here was that when Robin mentions what is on the Poneglyph she says that the city Kahira was conquered and if you translate the word Kahira it’s actually Cairo. And the emblem for Cairo has the depiction of the sun and more importantly 16 rays of sunlight and 16 as you may know can translate to Imu.

So in all maybe what happened is Alabasta used the Pluton to wipe out the prior civilization and now Imu is obviously beginning to target Vivi as retribution of some kind.

[stiff patrol]

Aight ok, hear me out here. What if blackbeard is keeping Moria alive, and for a specific reason. We know that powerful shadows are needed for powerful body’s right? And Blackbeard’s devil fruit is dark magic/shadow based right? What if blackbeard uses Moria to revive roger

[split glacier]

You had a decent thought until you said revive Roger. This isn't Naruto. Oda isn't trash like that. The dead stay dead.

[pale laurel]

Moria's powers are to create zombies out of the dead, so it is meaningful to suggest that the BB pirates will 'revive' some person

so zombie-Roger and Xebec could happen

although in my mind his powers are vastly more powerful when he simply steals other people's powers and stores them in himself

[grim pine]

he might revive rocks D xebec
coz in jumpfesta oda said
he is gonna draw the biggest threat strawhats will face in their journey in 2018.
we have 2 options
1.Rocks xebec
2.Imu

and ig rocks is very well possible

[split glacier]

Just no

Any revive theory goes straight in the bin

[grim pine]

yeahh but he draw both of them in 2018

so both are candidates for the title of the biggest threat

[split glacier]

...

[pale laurel]

yes, that is true. I simply meant that Im is alive and therefore probably their biggest threat

[grim pine]

he also said that "in front of the person, the incident of marineford will be cute"
so the person is really really powerful

[pale laurel]

but I still think that Moria will reanimate someone

[grim pine]

yeahhh that make sense

[grim pine]

yeahhhh but idont think bb will revive roger coz it doesnt fit well tbh
the parallels are between-
LUFFY-ROGER
BLACKBEARD-ROCKS

luffy and roger are/were joyboy candidates
and bb and xebec's are straight away overpowered and cruel

and roger being dead is a good thing for the show
there cant be 2 pirate kings in one era
and the chemistry between roger and luffy is so deep
like they are connected to each other even when they havent met each other yet

so id think they will ever meet

[pale laurel]

Moria's ability doesn't truly bring anyone back to life. He can possess a body with the shadow of someone else. So Roger and Xebec would not be their normal selves in this case.
So Moria has to find a strong dead body and match it with a powerful shadow

[grim pine]

but we still dont know if xebec really died

[pale laurel]

ooh

so Xebec's shadow takes Roger's body?

[grim pine]

who knows..it may take idk

[grim pine]

@velvet edge hello sir-

[velvet edge]

?

[grim pine]

i am new tbh
idk how the server works

[velvet edge]

Ah well feel free to check out #old-rules and #old-channel-info to learn how the server works

[grim pine]

ohhhh thank you so much man!!

[pure raven]

Get a role too #old-role-info

[grim pine]

yeahhh i did got it!

[coarse peak]

After revisiting the interview of oda he said he “only had plans for Kidd” and that “Law surpassed his expectations and became the fan favorite.” I think Kidd will begin to become made and more important after Wano, but I’m not sure about what the future holds for Law

[raw laurel]

As I said, law dies

[coarse peak]

Looks like it

[subtle lintel]

Law dies and luffy get eternality?

[raw laurel]

Nope he just dies saving everyone

[worthy thorn]

So I've seen people throw around the theory at one point that Blackbeard was going to have to do smthn to become recognized as stronger than Kaido somehow so he can be a major antagonist in an arc at some point. I saw someone say he'd likely have to do something with Shanks and the Red-haired Pirates, whether that be him killing Shanks or just defeating them somehow. It occurred to me that it would be just enough to get the Straw Hats emotionally invested just enough if someone like Yassop were to get killed by Blackbeard. Not to say Shanks's death is out of the question for Luffy's fuel to get after Blackbeard. But Yassop would also get Ussop invested because his dad was dead all of a sudden. Maybe I'm just talking out my ass, but I don't think it's out of the question for someone else on Shanks's crew to be killed by Blackbeard in the future

[pure raven]

hi

[twin widget]

its gonna be Imu, we saw the 5 elders who are supposed to be the highest power in the world all bow down to them and ask about which "light" Imu wants to be put out

[hearty mountain]

BB gonna have to get a third devil fruit for him to be considered the strongest

[pale laurel]

I think that BB will do something to become even more intimidating. I would not be super surprised if the we during the post-Wano arc will get the news that BB has attacked Shanks or something of a similar notoriety.

[sharp anvil]

There is Red also. Most likely not canon, but could hint towards a BB Shanks fight that will be canon. Even has the scar across the title given to him by BB.

[faint obsidian]

I think that bb will take kaido devil fruit. Because he Has logia and paramecia and Kaido's devil fruit is the strongest zoan

also yami yami no mi and gura gura no mi are one of the strongest devil fruits

[raw laurel]

This is an old theory I had which I think is a little debunked by now but for fun let’s make it anyway.
the flying 6 are all connected to characters we’ve met.
black Maria is queens daughter, she is a unusually tall woman with blond hair but also her name is based off the game black maria and Black Maria is a nickname for the Queen of clubs.
whos who is lucci brother - the idea was that behind the mask was a man who looked similar to lucci, they were both child prodigies of cp9.
sasaki was chimney fatjer. This one a lot of people saw, his hat looks like a train conductors hat, he had a drinking problem, his face is similarly shaped like the old gran and he seems to be part fishman And his hair colour matched them exactly

page 1 and Ulti are the children of captain John.
in an sbs oda stated kaido took them in at a young age because their father died and it was someone kaido knew.
my guess is that someone was a former crew mate and since John is the only member of rocks besides whitebeard who is confirmed dead as we saw his zombie it’s possible they are his children.
whats more is a idea that I dismissed now was that they were also kid’s half brother and sister.
both John and kid seem to be inspired by captain kid.
captain kidd was known and the unluckiest pirate who was killed by his own crew.
john is not known how he was killed but it’s speculated he was shot several times in the stomach.

what makes these 2 stand out is the fact their epithets are the same.
both are called captain which is still a weird thing to call a pirate captain And the fact his name is kid is kind of on the nose.
since kid also is quick to anger like page 1 and Ulti maybe there’s something there and John abandoned him on some island and a few years later these 2 were born and he was killed.
are these connections happening ? probably not but it’s fun

[junior nebula]

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/swwmv9/the_true_identity_of_that_mysterious_character/

[bitter kraken]

I don’t think law dies for everyone or luffy, he still has his dream/goal of learning the history of his ancestry. I see brook dying tho when they clash with BB, as he can negate devil fruits and brook is only able to walk around because of his fruit when BB grabs him he will turn to ash

[vivid cradle]

Im really interested in who Ryokugyū is and why he doesnt bother to eat or care. The tinfoil hat makes me wonder if hes an immortal, as in previously bestowed

[pure raven]

Well may be he’s fed up with everything

[solar knoll]

Where did you see this interview

[coarse peak]

@solar knoll it was in a “Shueishas Weekly Shonen Jump” in 2017. Here is the fully translation.

“They are worst!! They are the worst generation, indeed.
l imagined Kid would become an important character, but...Law!! I
didn't imagine he would become such an important character.”

[solar knoll]

Oh thanks mate

[frosty horizon]

Imo that theory would only make sense if we get to meet the red hair pirates first. So that luffy and shanks reignite the connection as well as ussop and yassop. Maybe the other strawhats befriend the rest of the crew.

[warm narwhal]

Next nakama

[cyan berry]

Please keep this channel serious

[warm narwhal]

That is a serious theory

Hey what about it wasn’t serious?

[cyan berry]

I'd appreciate it if you just listened to me

[warm narwhal]

I’m listening

[cyan berry]

Thanks

[warm narwhal]

?

I’m sorry but you can’t just delete my theory post, with no explanation

[surreal condor]

If the crews meet, luffy would return the straw hat and wouldn’t have a reason to keep it. Better if they don’t meet. More painful

[frosty horizon]

But then if yassop dies there wont be as much emotional weight for ussop

[warm narwhal]

Hachi
In Pythagorean numerology (a pseudoscience) the number 8 represents victory, prosperity and
overcoming. Eight (/, hachi, ya) is also considered a lucky number in Japan, but the reason is different
from that in Chinese culture. Eight gives an idea of growing prosperous, because the letter (/\ broadens
gradually.

Carrots sulong ability was introduced in chapter 888, and surprisingly in the popular poll she was ranked 8. this comes off too much of a coincidence for Carrot for Oda to not make her the next Nakama

[frosty horizon]

Luffy will defo feel it but the rest of the crew wont if they dont meet before his death

[surreal condor]

Well yes

[olive musk]

https://screenrant.com/one-piece-fan-theory-debunked-treasure-eiichiro-oda/

@cyan berry this theory isn't serious ^^^

[lime cape]

Joy Boy built the Red Line (Paul Bunyan one piece theory)

1- Paul Bunyan - Giant Lumberjack USA folklore Hero
2- Popularised by William B. Laughead who worked in the Red River Lumber Company.
3- His friend was a giant blue ox (Zunesha)
4- He built USA rocky mountains (Red Line)
5- He is waiting for someone who has a D. on the name. His girlfriend name was Lucette Diana (D.) Hackensack
6- Lucette means in Italian Graceful Light and it seems to be in relation with the name Lucy (luffy's name on dressrosa colosseum)

any thoughts?

[waxen light]

I would love some north american tall tale inspirations

this is an interesting take

[lime cape]

thanks

[lime cape]

Also, Diana in kanji https://www.kanjizone.com/kanjiname.aspx?name=Diana Could mean something like Large Bright Apple tree

[waxen light]

[lime cape]

or evergreen tree

🤔 Also Daiana (dai) = Great
a = could also mean depression, sink, hollow (blackbeard the other meaning of the D.)
na= apple/tree (the same tool can be used to do the other thing)

Am I being crazy or does it make any sense?

[waxen light]

I'm not sure I follow what you mean by blackbeard

[lime cape]

Remember when whitebeard say to teach that you are not the D. Roger was looking for?

I interpret that as Teach's D. is not the same as Roger's, Luffy's, Law's ... D.

That D. means great depression (another combination of kanji's of the word Daiana, Paul Bunyan's girlfriend)

[waxen light]

interesting

[split glacier]

I wonder who could've been big enough to pull all those continents/islands to a certain location... 🤔🙄

[lime cape]

I hope my theory makes any sense 😂 but if it is true I wonder why he built up the red line

[split glacier]

I means there's the Joyboy was Oars theory.

[lime cape]

I think Oars couldn't really move the red line

🤔 unless you have got the gomu gomu, inflate until you are a huge huge giant

maybe luffy's fruit awakening?

[lime cape]

another thing https://sci-hub.hkvisa.net/10.2307/1496255 this is Paul Bunyan's review of his stories, can you read it through a one piece fan lenses specially pages 5-6 (final 305 and 306 of the book), I think it is eye opening (Joy Boy's laughtale and the apology/tragedy letter)

[split glacier]

What? He's literally known as the continent puller...

The redline is a bunch of random island placed there

[lime cape]

🤔 Unless he was strong as f... he's 67 m tall

Even in a 1000 years old you couldn't move that much earth

[split glacier]

Because ancient giants aren't known for their strength...🙄

And he was abnormal even for ancient giants

[edgy viper]

Kahira resembling Kairo is an interesting take. I'll go check the timeline to see if we can ascertain how long "Year of Heaven 239" is before present time

I'm in for the sun symbolism and the idea that Arabasta once was an "evil" kingdom like Dressrosa under the Donquixote's before VC

However, I don't see where the connection between Imu and the number 16 is, could you elaborate?

Aside from that, I know a bit of Hebrew
So if you wanna discuss any possible translations or mythological background feel free to ask, I'll do my best

[cobalt kayak]

What if this week we get a big mom flashback

[upbeat fern]

Wdym of her in the rocks pirates?

[lime cape]

Maybe

I only want to point out that Oars was really short compared to the grand line (67 m)

🤔 You need someone as big as Zunesha

[hollow knot]

i would cry, but we already got big mom flashback

[primal cargo]

My theory is Pluton has the power to do it. Oars then was the pilot of Pluton

[quick hatch]

Sure. I think its unlikely but who knows

[amber oar]

Japanese number puns, "i" being a way to read 1 and "mu" a way to read 6. Each number has multiple ways to read them depending on their position in a sentence, and the Japanese make puns with that. The reason Luffy is usually associated with the number 56, for example, is because 5 can be read as "go" and 6 as "mu" (gomu)

I usually take number puns with a grain of salt, I think fans overdo it with them. Just explaining the alleged connection

[agile tangle]

I think a lot of people think the next person with fruit will be 29?

[teal widget]

I feel like Luffy's name is more or less a pun standing for laugh ("Luff"). Especially one of the more recent One Piece magazine volumes (Number 12) showed him specifically with his shortened name in quotation marks

It would coincide perfectly with the whole theme of laughter, joyboy being luffy, etc.

[muted ember]

I think it's a play on the sailing term luffing

[rugged bronze]

simple theory on the gomu gomu no mi: WG wanted it because it's a counter to the lightning fruit, and the quake fruit, not because its secretly actually x fruit, or because of joyboy and such

[plain shell]

that would be pretty underwhelming

"oh it was just to beat a guy who you guys took care of 700 chapters ago"

[rugged bronze]

yeah but at the same time it wouldn't be interesting if the fruit was some legendary omega powerful fruit all along, it's a lot more interesting if the fruit itself is just what it is at face value but it's luffy's use that makes it interesting more so than some secret zoan/logia stuff, and honestly i think it'd be cool if the fruit is desirable for being a counter to 2 or more of the most powerful fruits and their users in the sea

[split glacier]

Size is irrelevant to strength or ability. Either way, Oars wasn't called a continent puller because he didn't move islands. But he's too "young" to have made the redline but there are 3 Oars in total with one we don't know depending on what you believe. With Joyboy being the first blah blah blah, Zunesha helped or didn't depending if the redline was formed as the betrayal act towards Joyboy. Mysteries, mysteries, mysteries~

[plain shell]

well yeah, but why would Oda hype up a mystery around it and the World Government if he already got rid of the 2 reasons for it in the series

I'd like it more if it's a counter to another stronger fruit we don't know about yet, not those two.

[rugged bronze]

imo it's pretty lame when characters get some incredible powerup out of nowhere late in a series because "actually your power wasnt x, it was y all along, and y is actually one of the most powerful and epic abilities ever"

to be fair he didn't, the quake quake fruit is still a threat through blackbeard, who luffy also counters one of the more powerful abilities of, since he'd probably be fine if he was pulled inside the void

[plain shell]

itd just be lame tbh for me

[rugged bronze]

it also counters a few other things like the kilo and tonne fruits, and most of the stuff that just makes people hit harder

[plain shell]

if Oda is going the "secret power" route, i don't think it's something that will invalidate Luffy's hard work and training,

it'd be something like being to do a specific thing (something like Op Op no Mi's Immortality) which isn't connected to the user's fighting prowess

[split glacier]

Maybe but wasn't the Redline formed when the Government was made 800 years ago?

[plain shell]

• Having Luffy's power be a direct counter to Blaxkbeard's would lessen the stakes a lot for the eventual fight

[rugged bronze]

the stakes are still there, blackbeard as an individual is still dangerous, scarring shank's eye and being able to tank ace's attacks, his general DF nullification ability is dangerous in itself, luffy just can't be instantly defeated by his fruit abilities

[plain shell]

Is there a consensus on what the Special Science Group (SSG) is?

I feel like there's only one thing it could be

[primal cargo]

Yes that or earlier... But Pluton might have been out in the world for some time before it was hidden in Alabasta?

[rugged bronze]

i just figured it was vegapunks combination of lineage factor, gigantism, cybernetics and artificial devil fruit research, some kind of mass produced army of DF-like users without the consequences of DFs

[plain shell]

Nah, gotta be clones.

[primal cargo]

Well, whatever it is it's going to be a surprise, so not simply clones. Could certainly be part of it

[rugged bronze]

i dont think it's just clones tbh, otherwise he'd be ultimately beat out by vinsmoke, who seemed to have taken that element further

i think it's gotta be some combination or we wouldnt have the setup of him working with these scientists now considered the most heinous of villains, to his own ends

[plain shell]

I think it's heavily implied that Weevil is a clone

I believe he's a failed clone made from Whitebeard's genetic material created by the SSG

[split glacier]

Seems more like its been hidden/"sleeps" in Alabasta since 800 years. WG would've tried to get it asap instead of using the budget Buster call version lol

[latent plover]

Gomu Gomu no mi is the counter for the strongest/OP Logia known the Goro Goro no Mi.

[plain shell]

It's only the strongest based on fan canon, not officially

Plus Enel gets diffed hard by most competent people with Armament Haki

[rugged bronze]

well no, its pointed out by robin its one of the ones considered invincible

[plain shell]

He's a Logia

He can get hit by people with Haki

[latent plover]

Enel is just dependent on his DF, if an admiral gets a hold of his DF it will be one the most OP fruit to date.

[rugged bronze]

its power output is one of the highest, its strong in close quarters and in range, enel isn't really a big factor, im talking about the fruit not its user, enel himself was a strong observation haki user, and haki users themselves seem to be semi infrequent

like, yeah, he can be hit by haki but he also moves at the speed of electricity

[plain shell]

Well i'd agree to that, but i feel like even with training, at the top level your fruit's power is secondary to your Haki ability

[rugged bronze]

yeah but at the same time the fruit is far from insignificant, whitebeard was dangerous as an individual, but as a DF user he was as bad as the buster call

[plain shell]

I disagree that anyone who gets the Goro Goro no Mi currently will have a massive power spike

Maybe i'm thinking about 1v1s rather than actual applicability in other battle situations

[rugged bronze]

the goro goro no mi probably wont show up again in the main story, it's just a powerful fruit that the WG happens to be aware of, and happens to have a fruit that hard counters it even without haki

in general battle the goro goro no mi is nearly unmatched, almost no fruits have the range and coverage of it

[plain shell]

I don't think that's necessary at all considering you can beat it with... you know, Haki.

[rugged bronze]

you could argue that with most logia though, like the light fruit

just as fast as it, almost as powerful, can be easily matched by strong haki

[plain shell]

I don't think any fruit currently merits the WG needing to find a specific counter to it

[rugged bronze]

tbf i didnt mean it that way, i more meant that the WG happened to have it/find it and it's purpose as a hard counter to 2 of the most powerful fruits around makes it very valuable

someone like garp gets it and now you have haki + unmatched physical strength who is now immune to blunt force and whitebeard

[plain shell]

Sorry, I just think Oda can write something better than that to merit the WG's interest in the Gomu Gomu no Mi

[formal steeple]

since sea stones are also a thing, I don't think the government is afraid of any fruit.

since Luffy is capable of gigantification (even if not permanently), government could set Vegapunk on that so their wish for giant soldiers could come true. but I don't think they just want it to counter a few very specific scenarios

[stable breach]

🤔

[willow meteor]

oops, I have a theory guys and if the haki of the king of shanks is so powerful that he can make the haki like an extension of his body? to overlap the arm, just like , making it an extension of his body's . and If shanks have this ability?

[craggy pumice]

Well then Shanks haki arm would be possible. But we have so many advanced Haki forms already, I think that would’ve been shown by now

[willow meteor]

But the haki in advanced mode has only come to be practically developed now, and if the shanks' haki is "unique"

[modest skiff]

Mihawk wouldn’t see a fight with shanks as illegitimate if he could make a haki arm

[fathom matrix]

So it's like a phantom limb but it's will/haki based?

[lime cape]

No way

[dusk sand]

@small creek Please keep all of the theories you make in here as serious ones, thank you

[edgy viper]

Thanks a lot for the explanation, much appreciated. I don't know any Japanese so these kinds of puns go way over my head

[edgy viper]

That being said I think the sixteen rays relating to the name Imu is a bit too much of a stretch

The notion, however, that Arabasta might have used Pluton prior to the VC is worth exploring I think. We do know that the Water 7 blueprints differ from the original Pluton, so it's not to far out to speculate that there is different versions of it (Pluton-Alpha and Pluton-Beta if you will)

[small creek]

Theory on bb that he has more than one soul thats why he could eat 2 fruits and luffy and zoro mentioned that bb is not he but they

[abstract pond]

"We do know that the Water 7 blueprints differ from the original Pluton"
When was said this? Because I don't remember hearing that before

[sweet inlet]

Franky says that the blueprints is a weapon that is used to rival pluton (not those exact words) not that it is pluton before he burns it

[abstract pond]

Isn't that a mistranslation debunked long ago?
Franky said was on the lines of "we keeping the blueprints in case the WG gets its hands on another ancient weapon so we can fight back"
And the blueprints are named "Pluton", not "Pluton 2"

[sweet inlet]

If it was a mistranslation then that’s my bad

[pure raven]

my theory on luffy fruits - i think luffy powers isnt rubber but just resizing body parts and kinda reshaping its properties to a limited extend which explains its stretching body and less damage effect
and after awakening ig it can be something like doing same with others body thus creating or can create minions or gaints and if gaints
it can explain why shanks would steal this fruit and why world government feared a fruit which wasnt awakened by a long time ,as it will get awakened it can create gaints which everyone trying to create and maybe it was the joyboy df as he was shown like a gaint kind of

ik i didnt explained well my theory but i will appreciate anyone who can explain it perfectly

[pure raven]

how does that explain Luffy's immunity to lightning?

[pure raven]

i been thinking the same with this my theory to justify it then i realised changing its properties (line 2)

[pure raven]

how does that explain it though?

[lime cape]

an extra

[pure raven]

that is better explained by "it's rubber"

[lime cape]

yep

[pure raven]

like he can change his body properties but he mostly change it as rubber

[lime cape]

it would be an ex machina if luffy's fruit is not rubber

[pure raven]

it wasn't a decision to become like rubber, as we see in chapter 1. It's a passive

💀 ik it sound bit ehh but im trying to make it good

[lime cape]

Rubber doesn't change properties

what do you think about my theory Joy boy is Paul Bunyan theory?

[pure raven]

🤔 well let me rethink and gather some more infos to proof

[lime cape]

1- Paul Bunyan - Giant Lumberjack USA folklore Hero
2- Popularised by William B. Laughead who worked in the Red River Lumber Company.
3- His friend was a giant blue ox (Zunesha)
4- He built USA rocky mountains (Red Line)
5- He is waiting for someone who has a D. on the name. His girlfriend name was Lucette Diana (D.) Hackensack
6- Lucette means in Italian Graceful Light and it seems to be in relation with the name Lucy (luffy's name on dressrosa colosseum)
7- Diana -> Japanese (Daiana) https://www.kanjizone.com/kanjiname.aspx?name=Diana Could mean something like Large Bright Apple tree or evergreen tree
8 -Also Daiana (dai) = Great
a = could also mean depression, sink, hollow (blackbeard meaning of the D.)
na= apple/tree (the same tool can be used to do the other thing)
9- Remember when whitebeard say to teach that you are not the D. Roger was looking for?
I interpret that as Teach's D. is not the same as Roger's, Luffy's, Law's ... D.
That D. means great depression (another combination of kanji's of the word Daiana, Paul Bunyan's girlfriend)

[pure raven]

cause my theory drawback is how he got up against lightning

[pure raven]

and how it was a passive in chapter 1, and not a decision to change properties

[lime cape]

No one is going to discuss my theory? 😦

[pure raven]

nope

[pure raven]

it'd be cool bc it gives Luffy a girl's name.

But eh... maybe it could play with Diana, the goddess, tho the reading is different. I've been thinking if Lodestar/Laugh Tale would have a greek/roman theme for some time now...

[lime cape]

diana goddess of the moon

[pale laurel]

given that the Lunarians used to live on top of The Red Line and be considered gods, is it safe to assume that The Red Line is older than Joyboy and the void century?

[lime cape]

The rocks that form the red line obviously

but the artificially line that divides the world in 4 pieces I don't think so

[abstract pond]

The ancient kingdom always gave me Atlantis vibes

[lime cape]

Oars was known to be a continent mover and it was alive at that moment

he did something to gain that title I hope

[pale laurel]

it makes sense that the continent could have been reconstructed 👍

Oars, I don't it's confirmed that he is 800 years old. He died 400 years ago or so

[lime cape]

Or created by joy boy's akuma no mi like Paul bunyan's

WB akuma no mi? maybe

[pale laurel]

the Red Line is likely to have been constructed by something. However, I wonder if it's much older than 900 years. We have heard of a void century in which no one knows what happened, but practically there should still be information about the deeper past. It would be known if that whole continent was not present 1000 years ago

but of course, the author might not have considered such details 🤷‍♂️

[pure raven]

or maybe the history before the void century is very archaic, mostly based on individual countries' history

as we know for Alabasta, for example

[lime cape]

I think it was moved

[pale laurel]

that is unrealistic in a real world, but I can accept it for this story

[pure raven]

is it really tho...

[pale laurel]

moving the red line without historians noticing is also unrealistic

[pure raven]

what's unrealistic about this

[lime cape]

🤔 what if joy boy built the red line to protect the great apple tree (Daiana)

Marijoa great treasure I hope

It can explain why the marines have the best logia fruits

[pale laurel]

if there were no mentions of the only continent in the world anywhere before 900 years ago, someone would notice that. the RL is literally the most obvious part of the entire world that most islands would know about

[lime cape]

No one remember God valley, some kind of mental control is needed

[vestal orbit]

don't necessary disagree with ur theory and think it's an interesting idea, but it looks like oda's building up a lot of one piece's lore from abrahamic religions

not sure if he'd pull in paul bunyan as well, don't think that's a folk tale famous and/or influential enough to make it very far out of america

[pure raven]

there aint mentions of america in indian history for a long time bruh

it could just be that history before the void century is mostly based on regional conflict, and the major ships going around the world happened during the void century

[lime cape]

I think there are so many parallels

Specially his author name: Laughead

Secrets can't be so obvious

[vapid minnow]

I do agree that the numbers thing can tend to be exaggerated especially because of Ohara and Yuderon basically abusing them for every little incident. But I do have belief that Imu’s connection with 16 is intentional. Just to throw out an example as to why Imu could have such a connection.

For starters, if we look carefully at the Imperial Seal of Japan it’s a depiction of a Chrysanthemum Flower. What makes this significant is that the Chrysanthemum Flower has 16 petals displayed upon its symbol. In Japan, this flower is a representation of The Sun 🌞 and in Chinese culture the flower is a representation for Eternal Youth.

In Japan the mark of the Chrysanthemum Flower as close association with the Emperor, so it‘s a mark strictly used for royalty because of its representation for the Sun and Eternal Youth. Similarly in France we had Louis XIV who called himself the Sun King. And we know in One Piece there’s a Sun God as well as Marijoas being a representation of France. So there’s a overlap of Cultural ideals that Oda is combining.

The Japanese influence in all this is currently in Japan we can see the symbol of the Chrysanthemum Flower displayed on The Imperial Throne of Japan. If you look at it closely it completely resembles the Empty Throne, the detailing is exactly the same with the lions on each side of the armrests, the colors, and the carving of the gold on the frame of the throne.

So there is an aspect of inspiration here taken from Oda and the Chrysanthemum Flower with its 16 petals takes a greater inspiration in the real world through the royalty of the Meiji Era and King Louis XIV’s reign as the Sun King.

I can always bring up other examples as to why this works if this wasn’t enough to see my POV
@edgy viper

[pale laurel]

I still think that is unrealistic. Of course we don't know what the OP world was like 1000 years ago, but I imagine that humans somehow originated in one place and then sailed to all corners of the world. It's unthinkable then that no old civilization could sail far or knew about the RL

[vapid minnow]

Apologies if I intervened in any other conversation with my wall

[abstract niche]

This is dumb but, what if the third ancient weapon, Uranus, could destroy or control islands, sink or float them too. And u need the last one to access laugh tale

[lime cape]

That would be strange

Pluto is already a big ship weapon

🤔 It doesn't make sense to have two, I would like Uranos to be different

[sinful helm]

no one knows what pluto is for sure

[lime cape]

There is some consensus that Pluto is the ship that franky shows in that blueprint

🤔 Especially the reaction of Rob Lucci and Spandaman

[sinful helm]

no one is sure we will only be sure when oda confirms it

[abstract niche]

Yeah it’s a pretty dumb theory

[lime cape]

It would be nice that Uranus were a small being

🤔 like the tontatas

[pale laurel]

@lime cape doers your Bunyan theory mean that Joyboy is sitting -alive- on Laugh Tale and waits for a specific D. person?

[edgy viper]

I checked the official translation and while definetly ambigous, I'm still leaning towards the blueprints differing from the original. They explicitly call it a "opposing force" for example, which to me implies whatever these blueprints construct is meant for fighting Pluton (and the other two AW), not for destroying islands like the og Pluton

[lime cape]

I think he's dead

[versed hamlet]

Send me the raw.

[lime cape]

It's a metaphor or some place only certain D. can enter

I think it is a real alternative to the D. meaning Dawn

D. = Daiana

[primal cargo]

No amount of mistranslation could get this wrong so consistently. I mean it's written "Pluton" on the frickin paper. If those blueprints aren't actually for Pluton, it'll mean that we were lied to, not that we had understood wrong

[lime cape]

Or only a certain D. can hear the real message of Joy Boy🤔

Something like we hear the "laugh" tale, then all laugh out loud, then oh wait I have a second message not so fun luffy

[pale laurel]

I think that the idea works on a lot of levels. Is it then that the D. clan is somehow descendants of Joyboy's girlfriend?

if the D. clan is just related to Daiana it has less obvious thematic value than if it were, for example, Dawn

[lime cape]

That is only especulation

[pale laurel]

of course, I just try to extrapolate and see where the idea goes

[lime cape]

It could be a sect of the great evergreen apple tree (Daiana in kanji)

[lime cape]

If Bunyan theory is true D. are the real descendants of the moon people

Daiana is also the goddess of the moon

[pale laurel]

the kanji for Daiana is the same as for apple tree?

[lime cape]

Dai: great
a: bright
na: apple tree

https://www.kanjizone.com/kanjiname.aspx?name=Dianahttps://www.kanjizone.com/kanjiname.aspx?name=Diana

🤔 the a also means depression, I hope it is the "second face of the D." like BB

[pale laurel]

wow, that is good ground for speculation

but then it suggests that the D's have something to do with trees

[lime cape]

I hope that is the secret of mariejoa

The D.evil fruit tree

[lime cape]

If you review the texts about Bunyan's travels you'll see the songs, ballads, the comedy, the tragedy etc.

[random prawn]

What if the 3rd Ancient weapon was a sword?

[lime cape]

meh

[gentle echo]

we already have meito system so theres no need for sword ancient weapon

[lilac bridge]

guys i have a really important question relation to raftel im caught up in the series but im really confused by the statement where inurashi says that "you are already on a journey beyond the end" to nami..WTF DOES IT MEAN?? does it mean they dont have to travel the grand line again because they already found out abt the road poneglyph before they reached the final island before raftel, unlike roger because roger didnt know until he reached that island??

i think i answered my own question nvm

[lime cape]

The end = Lodestar
There is a secret island = laugh tale

[pale laurel]

is it possible that Shinobu's ripe ripe fruit is actually Toki's time fruit?

[lilac bridge]

what makes u think that?

[pale laurel]

when Toki died the fruit was then eaten by Shinobu without her knowing that it used to be Toki's fruit

it's a long-shot, but the ripe fruit can age things, so a possible awakening of it could be to go through time

[lilac bridge]

i dont think theyre the same, shinobu's fruit can age things but tokis fruit allows her to jump in different periods of time

but it could be possible

[pale laurel]

the only reason why I suspect this is because the Gorosei talk about some fruit that has not been awakened for centuries

and then Toki's fruit comes to mind, except no one has it right now. But it would have been a legend even to the gorosei

[primal cargo]

There's a theory that Toki's fruit is actually the Ripe-Ripe fruit but awakened.
The idea is that the fruit's normal use is to "accelerate time" for the target, which causes it to age faster.
And that with the Awakening you accelerate time for everything other than the target, which makes it so the target does not see time pass while the rest of the world "ages"

Here

[grand walrus]

i like that but its a little drastic

[modest skiff]

@lime cape no other series references please

[pure raven]

you mean this? 大 + 明 (as in akari) + 柰 ??? Super stretchy there, mate.

But the Adam and Eve trees are relevant for sure... in some way

[lime cape]

I am not japanese

Also dai could mean apple tree but...

[pure raven]

yeah this seems to be an obsolete kanji or smth, it can be read na nai dai, or ikan karanashi

[lime cape]

🤔 I think the important is how do you translate to kanji dai - a - na

[pure raven]

but that's not how you'd translate it at all

it's just a stretch of what each individual sound could be expressed as

could be a pun of that sort for sure tho...

[lime cape]

couldn't just be a kanji lecture game?

[primal cargo]

Kanji don't work like that
Most kanji have at least 2 to 4 different readings and every sound can be a reading for dozens of different kanji
So there's no "kanji writing" for something that isn't written in kanji from the start

[latent zodiac]

I hope one day the newer straw hats get to meet Vivi

[lime cape]

okay, so what? numbers also aren't written in kanji but you can look up different readings to know some secret connection

[primal cargo]

That's a different thing entirely
The number thing goes number -> sound (there's like 2 or 3 sounds for one number)
Your thing is sound -> kanji (dozens of possibilities like I said)
There is wayy way more flexibility in the second one, as can be seen with the number of options visible on the website you linked earlier. You could make it say basically anything.

• The japanese reader is used to play on words using numbers, apparently that's a common thing for them
  Whereas there is I believe no precedent for a name in One Piece (written in katakana) that had a secret kanji reading, let alone for a name that isn't even in the manga yet

[lime cape]

there are 6-8 meanings for each syllable, you can group to mean something different fair enough but it is one plausible option

Raftel - laughtale - waraibanashi? 笑い話?

well the other way around Raftel - waraibanashi (binks' sake) - laughtale

[lime cape]

is it a good precedent?

[primal cargo]

What do you mean ? You wrote the same thing twice

[lime cape]

We knew the last island as Raftel

in katakana, but if you put it in kanji laugh tale (english sound) it can be writen as waraibanashi (used in binks sake)

[primal cargo]

Ah ok well it's not exactly the same thing because
笑い話 can be read "warai banashi"
ラフテル can be read "laugh tale" (or raftel)
But you couldn't take ラフテル and read it as "warai banashi"
The connection between ラフテル and 笑い話 is only possible with the english reading as an intermediary
ラフテル -> Laugh Tale -> 笑い話

[lime cape]

(my mistake it is the other way around)

waraibanashi is the literal translation of laugh tale

[primal cargo]

Yes that's what I'm saying
ラフテル -> Laugh Tale (pronounciation)
Laugh Tale -> 笑い話 (translation)
But there's no ラフテル -> 笑い話

[lime cape]

well I will check up the connection between Daiana and the D.

🥲 and I will drop the literallist interpretation of the name to kanji

[primal cargo]

Lol I don't mean to ruin the rest of your theory
I stand to be corrected on the "no precedent" thing too

[zealous grail]

Do you know what would be kind of interesting? If Chopper's arc is to kill Imu. The only cure for Imu's immortality is death and Chopper is the only doctor who can do such an achievement.
If the theory that Imu is immortal because of a previous user of the Ope-Ope no Mi is correct, Chopper could have an arc where he must help with an assisted suicide, a very gruesome thing that doctor's do sometimes have to do. It would really help build Chopper up imo.

It probably won't happen but it would be something interesting to consider

[lime cape]

I know the Diana interpretation was only a addition, I can end up saying Daiana refers to the moon goddess and all the D.s are legitimate sons of moon people (and not those astronauts called celestial dragons)

[zealous grail]

Don't you mean "ass"tronauts XD

[lime cape]

how do you kill an immortal being?

[zealous grail]

A drug to take away his immortality?

[lime cape]

easy... seal it (like in naruto, dragon ball etc.)

[zealous grail]

In certain mythologies, there were potions etc. that were meant to be used to kill gods or take away their immortality and then kill them.

[zealous grail]

See, Chopper is only used to being a doctor who saves others but eventually he may have to help end a life. And that is part of the duty of being a doctor, one that would give Chopper a huge moral dilemma and some good development. It's probably not going to happen and tbh the only reason I suggest it is because I don't want the parallel between Luffy and Rogers to continue into... Luffy gets super rare incurable disease that Rogers had but Chopper will cure it. I feel Chopper being forced to end a life as a medical practitioner would be far more interesting

[lime cape]

Imu is kureha

[zealous grail]

The only thing that ultimately disproves your theory, is pretty much everything from timing, to their eye color

[lime cape]

Colored eye contacts🤣 🤣 🤣

[somber plinth]

That's like making a kid smoke because his family smokes too

[zealous grail]

Smoker's kid is going to be sad then XD

[somber plinth]

Smokers kid is going to be dead because of all the second hand smoke he has to endure

[zealous grail]

Damn man. Also it's not the same at all. I'm not talking about a hobby like smoking. I'm talking about a profession. Declaring oneself as a doctor means he will have to eventually take the good with the bad and do some of the tasks that even doctor's dread. Don't underestimate Chopper's dream

[somber plinth]

That's true but honestly if he were to end a life he would do it so it was painless and peaceful

[jade hatch]

I would prefer luffy not die, thnk u

[zealous grail]

The problem isn't about it being painless and peaceful. The problem is taking a life, something Chopper never does.

[zealous grail]

I'm not talking about Luffy. I'm talking about Imu. I also would prefer Luffy be alive

[somber plinth]

Yeah but when is the last time the straw hats actually killed someone other than like once

[zealous grail]

That's my point!!! It gives it much more meaning then

[somber plinth]

The last time I remember they killed someone was pushing the dude who had the sickle sickle fruit into the stream of reverse mountain

[jade hatch]

okay relief

luffy needs to be an old man wiping his boogers on children

[zealous grail]

Wasn't that non-canon?

[somber plinth]

It happens in the anime so it's canon

Like it was a subtle thing but you never see or hear about him again after the push him in

[zealous grail]

Wait are all anime events being considered canon? That doesn't seem right

[somber plinth]

Well it was part of a main episode and not part of one of the filler plots

[zealous grail]

No, Eric was definitely part of the filler plots. The Warship Island Arc was filler.

[zealous grail]

https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Warship_Island_Arc#Scenes_Fitting_With_the_Manga

[somber plinth]

He still died at reverse mountain

Yeah but I legit forgot half the filler arcs

I was trying to say that he died during a non filler arc but not where he came from

[zealous grail]

Even his death was technically still filler

[somber plinth]

Still gonna count it as the straw hats killing someone

[lone nymph]

I bet another poneglyph is in Zunesha

[warm narwhal]

What you think of the theory of this being Joyboy

[tawdry bramble]

That would be pretty wild but I don’t think he was that big.

[cobalt basalt]

I agree that Skull is too big to be the skull of a human or even a giant

[cobalt kayak]

What if joyboy rode on zunesha

Ok people, luffy don’t have a giant fruit, he’s RUBBER

[amber oar]

The whole basis for Joyboy being a giant is the straw hat at Mary Geoise. Problem is the Onigashima skull is like as big as the entire Pangea Castle

Joyboy may be a giant. But not that giant

[cobalt kayak]

Jolly green giant

[amber oar]

Or perhaps that is Joyboy but the straw hat was never his and all these people were right for the wrong reasons.

[tawdry bramble]

Or perhaps it was his but was just comically tiny for his head.

[neon flare]

Joyboy had a whole crew of people like zunesha and some ancient giants. And the one piece is sake.

Big mom will be like akinau in marineford. Big mom will come back and kaido will not be defeated but his crew would fall. And king and queen are taken into impel down with doflamingo.

[vale current]

The theory is nice but I’d think if JoyBoy was that big, smth like the “gigantification” thing that was conducted by Ceasar could be around it. Like Ceasar’s twisted science kinda hinting it, a thing from the distant past

[glad raft]

Kaido from the D clan?

[junior nebula]

this is one piece you talking about here? :P could easily be joy boy who had a pet elephant, lmao.

I honestly would imaigne that Joy Boy would be more Giant Sized than that huge, tbh. That Joy Boy is either normal human or Giant.

[glad raft]

He's a giant

Joyboy = Sun God Nika?

[modest skiff]

In the anime, Rayleigh describes people who wear straw hats as “dauntless”. It is possible he wore it as a homage to his fallen Allies

[tender cape]

No probably not

[junior cape]

This week, on One Piece! Izo vs CP0 heats up, as news of Big Mom's defeat is announced to the island. More of Kaido's soldiers defect as the outcome of the war shifts ever more in the samurai's favor. Raizo finally escapes fukorokujou as he burns alive, but will he be put out in time?

[fervent flax]

His companion is a mega huge city sized elephant

you guys think about this sometimes? why would they keep a giant strawhat in a freezer , that's just weird man

[weary tendon]

Maybe there's something inside the hat

Or to preserve it

[heady parrot]

it’s made of straw. straw degrades over time. certainly it would turn to dust within 800 years if it weren’t in a temperature controlled room (assuming it belonged to joyboy).

[fervent flax]

thats a good point

[heady parrot]

however the “why store it in the first place?” still remains. like what’s so special about this hat even if it did belong to joyboy? is it just a memento for im-sama? or some kind of trophy over defeating joyboy? if it’s just a trophy then is the treasure of mariejois something totally different? or is there more to that hat than meets the eye? so many questions raised just by showing a shadowy figure look at a big hat in a freezer.

[torpid mist]

Freezing the straw will keep it fresh for the next joy boy

[wet perch]

Wonder if keeping it on ice could be related to inherited will

Maybe the objects in the frozen alcoves are imbued with a will of people that the WG does not want to pass on to someone else. Luffy is destined to BE JoyBoy, but won’t inherit his will until he makes contact with that straw hat. The one he has now is a relic that represents JoyBoy and is enough to guide Luffy to become JoyBoy

And I wonder if there will be an object for each crew member.

[modest skiff]

1 thing worth pointing out is that Oda has made small changes to how scenes are conveyed between anime and manga. It is worth looking at every scene with Imu and comparing anime and manga. There’s a lot to unpack in the scenes, especially the straw hat scene

[modest skiff]

I like this a lot. Worth pondering

I’ll respond in more detail tomorrow

[wet perch]

Tag me if you don’t mind, or I’ll probably miss it

I’m gonna guess there is a Nika relic in the alcoves as well. And it’ll be Usopp related.

[modest skiff]

I’ll tag you

[flat gale]

I think I have a bit of a theory

One of the final moves Zoro showcases in the story is a Nine Sword Style move, but it’s all the swords Zoro has used in the adventure he’s been through

[ivory nexus]

Are we getting spoilers today ??

[flat gale]

I think so, yeah

Yea. We getting a new chapter this week

[ivory nexus]

Yup

It just doesn't feel like living when there's a break

[vale current]

Bm’s ability to put souls into objects. So Soul inside objects is possible in op. What if the giant straw hat has the soul of joyboy himself?

[plain shell]

you have to

how'll you see the end of One Piece if you don't?

[ivory nexus]

Ikr that's why am still alive

[vale current]

It is kept there bc they defeated him and someone put joyboy’s poor soul in the hat

[ivory nexus]

I get it what u r tryin to say but I don't like the idea

[vale current]

What would be the implications

But it’s a national treasure so pre much just an object that holds great significance

[ivory nexus]

It's just doesn't fit may be they put the gaint strawhat there as a momento
But if oda likes to do it he will do

[vale current]

However, the WG got rid of the truth after big wars and then they keep it on sounds too simple

[ivory nexus]

I didn't think of that 🤔🤔🤔

Maybe I can agree with u

[vale current]

Plus a national treasure is generally publicly known. This one must be an absolute secret and is kept in an inaccessible place

[opal stratus]

yo

[gleaming aurora]

ok

so luffy will first be king of the pirats gain wealth fame power(ancient weapons) also in the reverie arc we see imu holding luffys wanted poster and is next to a giant blue straw hat

[opal stratus]

interesting

i did see on tiktok about a giant blue straw hat that is frozen and some lady looking at it is that the hat ur talking about? and do u have a idea on what the one piece really is?

[ionic drift]

The One Piece is some good gabagool

JoyBoy knew the only thing that can bring the world together is salted meat platters

[gleaming aurora]

its belived to be joy boys hat and why she is holding luffys wanted paper is because joy boy is supposed to be reicarnated in luffys generation when oden was with roger when he went through fish man island sea kings were talking about the prophecy of luffy meeting poseidon(shirahoshi)

[gleaming aurora]

yes but not one piece

and they also speaked about the whales being happy or smthing when they meet the reincarnation or smthin as we see when luffy enterd the new world the whales were happy and pike being happy

and so the theroy now begins when gold.droger found the one piece he learnd the truth and he went to get executed and said there i have left it all everything the world has to offer

[opal stratus]

i also did see that luffys fruit isnt really a gum gum fruit and that the gum gum ability is like marcos healing power and that he just hast awaken his true ability yet its said that his fruit is ancient and that joyboy had possessed it when he was in his era and that rogers had found it ate it before he died and shanks found it and that the reason luffy says stuff so familier to rogers is because rogers reincarnated into the fruit as with aces devil fruit when sabo gets it he automaticaly knows the abilitys aced use

but your theroy is interesting im intrigued by it

[gleaming aurora]

Yeah thats also a theroy will of a fruit and black beards fruit is from imu

[gleaming aurora]

sunesha

[vale current]

Luffy saying thing similar to what roger used to say makes sense

[lime cape]

I think it is really a rubber devil fruit but the awakening can be anything I guess

[opal stratus]

But the person who knows fs how one piece will end and knows luffys power is oda we will never know forsure

[gleaming aurora]

it also might be a mythical zoan

[gleaming aurora]

ok ill tell you the end game theory

[opal stratus]

thats what people are saying that it could be a mythical zoan

[lime cape]

Joy Boy is the devil inside the gomu gomu, if you awaken it you revive Joy Boy taking over luffy's body

[vale current]

Now smth ppl miss is Vivi’s portrait on Im’s hands

[gleaming aurora]

luffy will go to war at marie jois and destroy the red line with the ancient weapon pluton and take the fish man people to land and use the ancient weapon pluton(aka shirahoshi) to bring all the sea kings somewhere else

[opal stratus]

mhm

[gleaming aurora]

than for the weather of the grand line luffy will use the 3rd ancient weapon to get rid of it

its also known that joyboy was trying to bring the whole world together and join all the races with no discrimination

[full nimbus]

i believe that joyboy was previous owner of gum gum fruit and his will of being free is now passed on to luffy through Devil fruit

[opal stratus]

What are these ancient weapons and what is the pluton weapon im not that far in yet and i had finally decied to join a one piece server bc all my friends hate one piece and says its trash so i need new friends lol

[gleaming aurora]

then imu probably did something to not make it happen and why the elahpant zunsha

[lime cape]

I don't think luffy's going to destroy the red line with an ancient weapon, it's more likely he does a giganto axe and destroy everything from mariejoa to fishman island (fulfilling the prophecy)

[gleaming aurora]

its just weapins that can destroy the world

[gleaming aurora]

no he wants the whole world connected no discrimination its still a theroy

[opal stratus]

ohhh what are all the ancient weapons?

[full nimbus]

pluton Posiedon and Uranus

[gleaming aurora]

i mean joy boy wants

[opal stratus]

ohh

[gleaming aurora]

we only know poseidon you will find out in fish man idland

[lime cape]

I believe it was joy boy who built the red line

[opal stratus]

alr, luffys way of seeing the world is totally different he doesnt care about the treasure he wants to be pirate king eat meat and have the world live in peac e

[gleaming aurora]

what do you think of my theory

[opal stratus]

I am intrigued

[full nimbus]

pluton i guess is ship whose location was stated in alabasta ponegliff ... what i think is that its possible that vivi is some kind of key to unlock pluton

[gleaming aurora]

bro its like joy boy want all races to be connected so id say imu was the one who did it joy boy wants no disctimunation of fish people giants long arms long necks etc and poor rich(celestial dragons)

[opal stratus]

a theory on where the one piece is aparently at the bottom of impell down

[gleaming aurora]

also zunesha the elahpant helped zunesha so thats why he has only been walking straht

[gleaming aurora]

enies loby a bit wrong

[lime cape]

haven't u read my bunyan's theory? 😦

[opal stratus]

oh impell down is the prison

[gleaming aurora]

sorry could you tell me

[lime cape]

I'll copy paste

[opal stratus]

lmao my bad its been a bit since ive seen the water seven arc

[gleaming aurora]

no worries

[opal stratus]

probably a bit over six months i think since water seven

[gleaming aurora]

less gooo was like what got me hooked into one piece

[opal stratus]

but yea its rumor that the one piece is at the bottom of enies lobby but how did roger get down there and get back up?

[gleaming aurora]

i mean crocodile like made me

[opal stratus]

what got me into one piece was tiktok and my couson showing me clips of it

[lime cape]

@gleaming aurora
Joy Boy built the red line (Paul Bunyan theory)

1- Paul Bunyan - Giant Lumberjack USA folklore Hero
2- Popularised by William B. Laughead who worked in the Red River Lumber Company.
3- His friend was a giant blue ox (Zunesha)
4- He built USA rocky mountains (Red Line)
5- He is waiting for someone who has a D. on the name. His girlfriend name was Lucette Diana (D.) Hackensack
6- Lucette means in Italian Graceful Light and it seems to be in relation with the name Lucy (luffy's name on dressrosa colosseum)
7- Diana -> Daiana in japanese it is the moon goddess

[gleaming aurora]

its probablt an ancient weapin

[opal stratus]

have u seen crocomom theory?

[gleaming aurora]

yes n i regret

[gleaming aurora]

could i get the video?

[opal stratus]

defiently interesting

[lime cape]

There is no video sorry

[gleaming aurora]

so this joyboys crew?

[opal stratus]

yea same lol its a bad theory but it could be true that iva did change his gender

[lime cape]

Also I was discussing if daiana if you translate to kanji it could mean great bright apple tree but it seems Oda doesn't do this kind of things

[gleaming aurora]

alr

shee i probably did something wrong sinnce room us here

[tepid coral]

@gleaming aurora This is a channel only meant for series theory discussion pl don't talk about any other stuff here

[gleaming aurora]

it aint

its about it my dude but alr understandable

[lime cape]

If someone wants to make the video of Bunyan's theory is welcomed

[gleaming aurora]

ok go to geaneral cus i hate slow down

[tepid coral]

@opal stratus Same goes for you too

[opal stratus]

im going

[gleaming aurora]

you did your reaserch my dude

[lime cape]

Yep, someone had to make that artificially red wall, from those we know of it could be Oars or JoyBoy (if they aren't the same person)

And Bunyan's theory points to JoyBoy

[lime cape]

Also Hackensack is the name Dutchs gave to a native american people called lenni-lenape (original people) but I don't know if it could fit into the theory. They were a matrilineal clan tribe.

[gleaming aurora]

oka

[vale current]

Do u think Imu hypnotized the elephant into ruining joyboys plan being that the crime?

[gleaming aurora]

well i cant really know cus zunesha had his own way of doing thing its said he went with the plan so he did it with his own will and now hes being punished

[lime cape]

Definitely you have to hypnotize a huge elephant to make him comply with the sentence

🤔 But ruining joyboys plan :__ I don't think so

[cedar estuary]

Does Imu even have hypnosis?

[lime cape]

Not confirmed

[buoyant perch]

i feel like zunesha was tricked and manipulated by someone into thinking he was the one who committed the crime.............cuz hypnosis in OP seems a bit far off..

[formal quest]

Jango's ancestor maybe 😂

[fervent flax]

Yarh , the red line is unnatural

First time i'm hearing this , i must read up

[pale laurel]

My issues with Joy Boy building The Red Line are

1. JB likely would like the RL to disappear. A prevalent theory is that the All Blue will come about once the RL has been destroyed. Also the Fishmen it seems have been promised by Joy Boy to leave the deep sea, and Luffy is prophecized to destroy Fishman Island.
2. It is reasonable to assume that the RL is far older than 900 years because the Lunarians used to live there before the Celestial Dragons took over

[lime cape]

Have you discover anything about this?

🤔 I'd like to know how far can it go the Paul Bunyan theory

[pale bridge]

shanks is imu's son :Exit:

[lime cape]

And Imu is Rocks

[glad raft]

Kaido from the D clan

[severe wedge]

Luffy is logia

[prime bluff]

Does swngoku know about one piece

[prime bluff]

Kai D. o

[warm vapor]

zoro son of kaido

[lime cape]

Go D. Usopp

[agile tangle]

I think there's a theory that Luffy has a special paramecia with zoan properties

[lime cape]

why? he only imitates animals ::

[prime bluff]

Luffy is a rubber so he can shape shift to zoan

[prime bluff]

Goda like animals

[lime cape]

so...?

[agile tangle]

I don't really know the details of the theory

[lime cape]

We have a zoan awakening at the end game?

[agile tangle]

I don't know tbh, a lot of people don't want Luffy's fruit to be special

I'm personally fine either way

[lime cape]

If the awakening is transform everything around him into rubber to protect his crew against the gura gura it would be find

also if the awakening is giant luffy, but if there is a special god fruit or sth I'd be disappointed

[split dove]

Is Pluto is in sunny?

[nova portal]

Sorry mate. New to this discord thing. Sympathy 🥲

[fervent flax]

Paul bunyan is far fetch for joyboy.
No.1 we don't even know what joyboy did.
The two things we know about joyboy is.

He promised to bring fishmanisland to surface

He is friends with zunesha

Basically imagine this guy wearing a strawhat and the cow is an elephant

[lime cape]

#manga-theories message

Joy Boy built the red line (Paul Bunyan theory)

1- Paul Bunyan - Giant Lumberjack USA folklore Hero
2- Popularised by William B. Laughead who worked in the Red River Lumber Company.
3- His friend was a giant blue ox (Zunesha)
4- He built USA rocky mountains (Red Line)
5- He is waiting for someone who has a D. on the name. His girlfriend name was Lucette Diana (D.) Hackensack
6- Lucette means in Italian Graceful Light and it seems to be in relation with the name Lucy (luffy's name on dressrosa colosseum)
7- Diana -> Daiana in japanese it is the moon goddess

[vapid minnow]

@lime cape oh shit that’s actually good

But then point 5 makes it interesting because wouldn’t Joyboy also be waiting for a lady?

[lime cape]

8 - Hackensack is the name that Dutch's colonizers gave to the native american people of LONG island, those indians called themselves original people

[lime cape]

Well I think you can't copy paste everything, it's a shonen manga and Lucy was already mentioned

[rotund grail]

np

[lime cape]

But I think Daiana is a good alternative to the "Dawn" theory

🤔 We have also discussed what if you use the kanji to describe the sounds of the word
Dai = great
a = bright/depression
na = apple tree

But it is something Oda wouldn't do

[vapid minnow]

I think you’re actually on to something and tbh I’m thinking that “Lucette Diana” is actually a combination of two people, Luffy and Nami. Because when they first meet in the beginning of the story in Orange Town we see in the background paintings of the sun (Lucette) and the moon (Daiana). And iirc the word Nami actually can translate to Red Apple.

[lime cape]

I am not so sure, Oda haven't use this type of sound translation to kanji like in the word sushi (its kanjis doesn't mean raw fish or similar, only you take the sound to make it cool)

🤔 Then I have reviewed the stories of Paul Bunyan and I found a paper that said something reaally interesting that could explain why JoyBoy wrote a "laugh tale" and a apology letter (and also maaaybe Binks' sake song)

[lime cape]

https://www.kanjizone.com/kanjiname.aspx?name=Diana

you can play with the possible kanji if you like but for now it seems highly improbable

I think when they get to laughtale island, everyone will hear the "laugh" tale, then all laugh out loud, then oh you finally come, wait I have a second message not so fun luffy

And he will be really pissed off (different interpretation from Roger's crew)

[vapid minnow]

yup I agree, it’s gonna be a different resolution than Roger’s crew. Laugh Tale seems more ominous than perceived

[lime cape]

Then from the goddess of the moon I could think that the D. are the legitimate descendants of the moon people but there were some greedy people that used the ancient weapons to establish a world government and live as gods in mariejoa (the illegitimate, the celestial dragons, copy their aesthetics with their astronauts suits)

🥲 The only thing joy boy could do to stop it was build the red line

D. is a misspelling of moon's kanji

[lime cape]

I hope someone makes a video of the theory, let's see if someone can get further

especially if they know japanese

[tender aspen]

One thing I want to see happen which probably won’t is that Gear 5 is called Gear 5: Monkey-Man, and it will use his awakening with using a pipe as the weapon. The pipe being a callback to all of ASL’s childhood and how they all used a pipe. And the pipe is coated in Armament haki, while also being able to stretch like rubber almost like Wukong’s Ruyi Jingu Bang.

[lime cape]

why couldn't it be Gear 4th: monkey man?

[tender aspen]

Well it could I guess.

[hallow fiber]

guys tbh

i dont think gear 5 will be come any time soon cuz luffy doesnt need it yes ik kaido is far more powerful than any other enemy luffy has faced but a gear 5 would be too fast ig the only thing will be gear 4 new version in which he covers himself with the haki also wano will definitely open the concept of joyboy(ik most of u know that but still)oda is has been showing or mentioning zunesha for a long time before his breaks (2 breaks only duh)zunesha will most probably meet with momo will discuss about some random thing

random here means something imp regarding the wano or kozuki clan or even the void

[lime cape]

Oden note book

Big spoilers

[hallow fiber]

oden note book would likely spill beans about void

not all of it but atleast a pinch

[lime cape]

I think he wrote everything but Luffy would not read it

[hallow fiber]

yes luffy be like i will leave on becoming kaizokuoo

wano will be a happy ending ig

[lime cape]

Or... It is impossible for him to read it because CP0 will kidnap or kill everyone who knows about its content

[hallow fiber]

not for robin* goresei willl definitely take some actions

most prolly cp0 going after whole straw hat crew

[hallow fiber]

uk i really want luffy to punch another celestial dragon at this point

[lime cape]

Who knows about the content of Oden s Notebook?

[hallow fiber]

yamato ig momo knows alot about void since he stayed with zunesha in the end of zou arc

[lime cape]

We will have a parallel of ennies lobby

[hallow fiber]

zunesha might have told hhim the age of history of wano and role the kozuki clan played in it he might have told him about joyboy too

[lime cape]

Robin with the highest bounty

[hallow fiber]

lolll joyboy reveal at this point would hype things up

[hallow fiber]

obv i suppose goresei always think about the secrets of void but because the D is present in luffy they might alsoo

rise up his bounty but forsure robin would likely have a very high bounty becuase of her ability

[lime cape]

What do you think about the D. Bunyan theory?

[hallow fiber]

naah havent read about it

[lime cape]

Scroll up this convo

[hallow fiber]

all the theories suggesting joyboy's a giant doesnt make sense to me

[lime cape]

This

[hallow fiber]

lmao idk why but the dont

[lime cape]

Tell me what you think

[hallow fiber]

bruh u presented quite a theory

[lime cape]

Scroll down a little bit I added sth (kanji sound translation)

[hallow fiber]

u know i really am interested i knowing who the 20 kings were

the donquixotes were one neferatari were also there

[lime cape]

Why? It doesn't change the story

[hallow fiber]

bruh not changing the theory just telling that info regarding those 20 would be a blast

[lime cape]

Moon people

Celestial dragons are "asstronauts"

[hallow fiber]

there are a lot of things that arent answered in one piece at this point with oda telling that he will be ending one piece in 3 to 4 years he has a lot of work with wano being his first priority

[lime cape]

3-4 years within One piece time or in real time?

[hallow fiber]

at this point even oda knows that he should finish wano asap cuz red is around corner he might as well end the yonko saga

[hallow fiber]

real he told in an interview that he plans on ending one piece in 4 to 5 years

[lime cape]

Then we have the sequel One piece Z or boruffy

[hallow fiber]

he is telling that he will be writing the biggest fight in whole manga hist

this just might be the final arc fight, luffy and his grand fleet the worst gen vs the whole world govn

after luffy becomes kaizokuo*

cuz that is when he will come to know about joyboy and he will fight for him also knowing that he possesses the D he might as well become serious

[lime cape]

Celestial dragons must hide a big power, because what if admirals go against them, who could stop them?

[hallow fiber]

ikr the holy treasure of mary jois

[lime cape]

A bomb that can destroy the world and Joy Boy create the red wall to seal it?

[hallow fiber]

uk i read this theory about the gates in holy castle that the gates where to road to the grave of joyboy of each generation and imu sama went to visit the main grave that belonged to main joyboy

[hallow fiber]

that could be one possibility

one can say that joy boy created the wall to protect laughtale his kingdom from the 20 kings but bcuz he lost the prosperity of the nation also went down and the 20 kings decided never to mention joyboy again cuz they knew how heck of a threat can joyboy be

and the one leading the 20 kings just might be imu sama (whose has a immortal fruit) or imu sama who is future gen of the first leader

[lime cape]

Nope if Bunyan's theory is true the way he solves things must be out of the ordinary and comical

[junior nebula]

this is honestly a cool theory.

[lime cape]

Thanks

[vale current]

Mind boggling theory. Is there anything in the story that matches with zunesha’s crime?

[lime cape]

Yes

Zunesha crime caused the water from reverse mountain go the other way

[thorn sparrow]

these guys are still talking about Bunyan

[lime cape]

Paul B Driving a large Bunch of logs Down the Wisconsin River When the logs Suddenly Jamed. in the Dells. The logs were piled Two Hundred feet high at the
head. And were backed up for One mile up river. Paul was at the rear of the Jam
with the Blue Oxen And while he was coming to the fronthe Crew was trying to break the Jam but they couldent Budge it. When Paul Arrived at the Head with the
ox he told them to Stand Back. He put the Ox in the old Wisc [River] in front of the
Jam. And then Standing on the Bank Shot the Ox with a 303 Savage Rifle. The ox thought it was flies And began to Switch his Tail. The tail commenced to go around in a circle And up Stream And do you know That Ox Switching his tail forced
that Stream to flow Backward And Eventually the Jam floated back Also. He took
the ox out of the Stream. And let the Stream and logs go on their way.

[lime cape]

I hope this extract make sense

Joyboy saved zunesha for its mistake (as Luffy and shanks parallel) and couldn't achieve his goal?