manga-theories

[grand walrus]

i don't think we will get anyone who can direct the "luck" power at will without it being a DF. It is just too complicated. I can see it being something that people say about luffy "the world is bending to his will!!" but I don't think we will get a verified explanation and purposeful use of it with thinking and strategy and stuff

[reef sandal]

well basically nothing we're talking about seems like it's getting a direct confirmation, it's more of an underlying rule system to the overlying fancy moves that are explained

[grand walrus]

understandable

weren't the law submarine crew also feeling a tug towards luffys body? i think they sensed his presence and were drawn to it somehow too

[vapid minnow]

yeah they were

it was most likely the submarine was able to use sonar waves to understand Luffy
so the Voat could be “spoken” in another wavelength

[modest skiff]

They sensed his presence, but they were also hearing him from the submarine. It seems like the submarine sonar picks up whatever signal Luffy was sending the same way Momo does

[grand walrus]

mihawk said it best. luffy has the most terrifying power

[modest skiff]

When @reef sandal was talking about conq haki before, here is my reply to his theory about this: #manga-theories message

[vapid minnow]

@modest skiff we were speaking about a similar topic few moments ago. This was sort of the original point

[reef sandal]

i think narratively it wouldn't make sense if the one piece was the thing you described in your far out theory, because that would mean the endpoint of luffy's dream would be something serious which doesn't follow from his character

[vapid minnow]

Luffy’s will manifests far out to where it sways others into changing their own viewpoints. It could be essentially the strongest people have influence over the “flow of the world”.
Like Luffy is reckless, chaotic, and unpredictable, so ever since he became a pirate that is exactly how the world became.

[modest skiff]

I think this is a good thought but rather than impacting time, I think it impacts the world in a way that sets stuff in motion, which is kind of the same thing, but I think a little different. In the message I linked, I described how Roger (IMO) inspired people to live their lives in a way that expressed his will, just like Oden did with the scabbards.

The main thing is Momo sensing Oden in Yamato and Kaido sensing Oden in the scabbards. I think those are really big hints

[reef sandal]

luffy became a pirate because the title fit his ideals, the title didn't move to fit his ideals because he chose to take it
the world is chaotic and unpredictable because that's the nature of freedom, and freedom is the side that's winning right now

[modest skiff]

I think there is some nuance here that I disagree with. I don't think Luffy changes other people's viewpoints. I think Luffy's will, just like Roger right before his execution, is so intense that other people are caught in his gust/current so to speak. I think it operates more like a shockwave than mind control. People get caught up his Luffy rather than Luffy distorting people if that makes sense

[vapid minnow]

well yeah I’m saying moreso when Luffy went out into the world not moreso he’s redefining a pirate. Although he also does that to some extents in the eyes of those victimized previously by pirates.

And yeah Luffy’s nature is what defines freedom and that is now beginning to take course more now than ever. The world is going to be as Roger said “turned upside down” as in the hierarchy being toppled.

[reef sandal]

yeah luffy would be nefarious if his will was parasitic, he just has the knack and the luck to find powerful likeminded people and the force of will to recruit them

[reef sandal]

luffy's nature doesn't define freedom tho
freedom defines luffy's nature

[modest skiff]

Another thing to point out is that in the case of both Roger and Luffy, the people who are caught up in their current are always building up courage and doing what they think is right. I really think the comparison to Belo Betty is a good one. It feels like she essentially has a conq haki devil fruit

Luffy isn't behaving like Tama's fruit. He is inspiring people to do what they already believe in their hearts and giving them the will/courage to do those things

That's what makes it not a form of mind control but rather a form of empowerment

[reef sandal]

that is almost word for word what i was going to say if you had stopped at your second to last message, wow

[vapid minnow]

right and like Mohdoo is adding on it is moreso Luffy being himself and everyone who encounters him is taken aback and “sense” the expression of freedom he oozes with and take courage to go along with those similar ideals of seeking freedom

[ivory nexus]

Conq haki fruit 😏😏

[reef sandal]

yeah, big agree

[modest skiff]

What are you saying here, this is not contributing

[vapid minnow]

now we’re all on same wavelength with our thoughts @reef sandal @modest skiff

[ivory nexus]

I'm just thinking if there is df like that in one piece

[vapid minnow]

not likely

Haki is its own provision, it’s completely separate from a devil fruit
Especially Conquerors, you have to be born with that

[modest skiff]

I don't think there is, and I was not saying her fruit is that, I am just pointing out that one of the components of conq haki seems to be more clearly expressed in Belo Betty's fruit. Though I don't think conq haki makes people really buff or strong or anything. Her fruit is clearly distinct and different. I was just making a comparison

[modest skiff]

Gotcha, sorry then, it sounded like you were being critical or condescending

[vapid minnow]

Tama’s fruit embodies the exact opposite of Belo Betty. Her fruit imprisons people while Betty empowers them

[reef sandal]

though tama's fruit wouldn't be in the position to imprison actual people if not for the perversion that is the SMILE

[vapid minnow]

Tama’s fruit is interesting because it’s used as food but yet works only on SMILE users/artificial beings and doesn’t feed people. So there’s something else wrong with her ability

[reef sandal]

it also works on regular animals, which would imo be a perfectly innocent ability if there was not the presence of weird animal humans

which on the divine creation or whatever of the fruit, there wasn't

[modest skiff]

That's why I think the theory of it being the tsuki tsuki no mi is really good. Her fruit is the only food fruit that doesn't feed people. Moon moon fruit makes a ton of sense due to minks

[reef sandal]

it's also the only food fruit that tastes good

[modest skiff]

https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Kuku_Kuku_no_Mi

[vapid minnow]

yeah I have thought about this for some time and it’s actually something that could link back to the Moon Princess Kaguya, who’s been referenced a few times in this arc. So there has to be some moon lore incoming. Idk if Tama’s fruit is the one related to the awakened fruit tho, it would be one of my two options.

[modest skiff]

In my eyes it has to be either Tama or Robin. Both of their fruit names don't remotely convey what they do or the extent of their power

[vapid minnow]

I think it’s Tama or Chopper

[reef sandal]

all were in position to have intel gathered on them and have weird discrepancies between name and function

[modest skiff]

Just as a reminder, Black Maria is 27 feet (8.2 meters) tall. Robin broke her over her knee. Robin also grew horns. And sharp teeth. It wasn't just a bunch of arms and legs. flower flower fruit does NOT convey what Robin can do. Same with Tama's

Chopper is a really interesting idea too

Monster point etc are not anything seen by other zoans

[reef sandal]

though we also haven't seen other zoans take drugs
however, the hito hito no mi is a name given by chopper or hiriluk as far as i remember which has great potential to be incorrect

[versed hamlet]

Black maria and kaido have done the same thing as chopper.

Drugs seem to enable zoan users to access additional forms of their fruit.

Chopper isnt all that different in that lens. Hes just a drug addict

[modest skiff]

True, but monster point seems really out there

then again, just really good drugs I guess lol

[reef sandal]

kaido doesn't get a fruit benefit from alcohol, just mental change that affect his fighting style
and what drugs did black maria take?

[versed hamlet]

Probably because its a more refined drug rhan what black maria and kaido take

[unreal dew]

i imajin chopper awakening , he will become super human 🤔

[versed hamlet]

This is black marias original hybrid. I forget where its either a vivre card or an sbs oda said that black maria took drugs to change her form like choppwr

[reef sandal]

oh, that's new information to me
thanks

[versed hamlet]

Np

[modest skiff]

Thanks Meek. Either way, my point is that Robin's form she used when defeating Black Maria is a very different expression of her devil fruit

I could see her fruit actually being oni oni

[dark palm]

what the fuck

[reef sandal]

i don't think the base powerset would make sense with that

[modest skiff]

lol what's so bad about oni oni

[grand walrus]

if her fruit is oni oni why can she grow human body parts too? it doesn't add up

[modest skiff]

Her base power set doesn't make sense with her turning into a 30 ft demon thing with horns and sharp teeth no matter how you slice it

[dark palm]

was reacting to her hybrid, she looks like a cartoon spider lmao

[modest skiff]

oh LOL yeah

[reef sandal]

nevertheless i'm sure there would be a name that would reconcile both easier than oni oni no mi
with that one you're just shifting the focus of the incorrectness imo

[grand walrus]

maybe robins fruit can create anything she can manifest her body as in her minds eye. so like the base powerset is her own body since she is used to manifesting it in her minds eye. but the demon form was something she accepted as a part of her life being called the demon child, so she was finally able to manifest something else. maybe with more power she can manifest even more powerful beings and entities

[slow kraken]

Don’t u know the name of the fruit once u eat it?

[modest skiff]

I think its totally conceivable that some sort of demon can create extra limbs or has extra limbs

[grand walrus]

but it's her own limbs. and the demon she created seems like it is the manifestation of her acceptance of her title as "devil child"

[modest skiff]

hmmm yeah i can kind of buy this. Gains the ability to essentially augment her body any way she wants. I dunno, the whole thing felt so "pre-made" so to speak. Horns and teeth. I dunno, I don't have a good explanation

[vapid minnow]

So I’ll explain why it could be Chopper:
Chopper’s fruit is called Hito Hito no Mi: Hito Model, but that’s the thing his fruit name doesn’t make sense. How can a Hito Hito just be a Hito model? All the other Hito Hito users have specific models (Buddah, etc.).

Chopper is the only zoan to have multiple transformations. In the SBS, Oda said that if a human eats Chopper’s fruit they “Become ‘Human’”, then Oda (runs away) in the SBS. That sounds like some kind of foreshadowing.

Blackbeard went to Drum Island for some specific reason and it’s possible he was looking for the Hito Hito to fix his body and whatever is wrong with it. Also in FMI, when we are told BB is hunting for devil fruits Chopper gets scared about his fruit, but funny enough Usopp of all people says “nobody wants your fruit” and Usopp tends to speak things into existence.

Lastly, up until now Chopper has always been looked as a pet of the Strawhats. But now after his confrontation with Queen and healing all the people, he could likely be recognized as an actual member. Therefore exposing his fruit as the awakened one. Also Monster Point and the Rumble Balls could be the key to gigantification.

Chopper’s fruit might be the Hito Hito: Shaman model

[reef sandal]

god i feel like there needs to be an announcement or a pinned message about the mistranslation on the "knowing the fruit when you eat it" thing

[grand walrus]

iimagine you don't know your zoology and you think you have the cheetah cheetah no mi but you actually have the leopard leopard no mi

[modest skiff]

Hmmm yeah I like this. Another thing is that other zoan users turn into the thing itself, not some hybrid. Chopper has never just been a full ass human

I agree with the basic idea that Chopper's supposed devil fruit doesn't add up

[shut finch]

This is cool, I don’t think it’ll be the fruit but it’s a fun idea

[vapid minnow]

exactly! Remember Chopper maybe a doctor but he’s also technically a child and naive so of course Chopper won’t question his fruit, he’ll just be like “I can talk so I am a human”

[grand walrus]

what is a shaman? I mean it is something more than a tribal doctor, it is also a priest usually right?

[modest skiff]

tbh the term shaman is used to mean a wide variety of powers in various contexts

[vapid minnow]

Shaman are tribal doctors who can cure any disease and communicate with the dead. Most importantly they often dress up as horned cattle or reindeer

[modest skiff]

oh shit

[vapid minnow]

Now the important thing is why would Chopper’s awakening fruit be so important?

Simple it can fix Blackbeard or possibly “cure” Imu

[modest skiff]

I was like 100% sure the unnamed fruit was Tama and then Pink Hair walks in and turns my world upside down

[vapid minnow]

I think Tama’s fruit is the other candidate still, it can either one

Because Tama also exposed herself to CP0 in this battle

[grand walrus]

i am always reluctant to use Oda's real life influences as proof of how a story will develop. I would prefer it if there was a specific figure in mythology that chopper fruit is

[vapid minnow]

Another thing is it makes sense that this awakened fruit isn’t a Wano relevant-only plot point. This makes sense to go deeper into Chopper’s backstory as well as Dr.Kureha, Dr. Hiluluk, & the history of Drum Island. It’s a long term storyline, that could likely be resolved when Vegapunk or Blackbeard enter the center focus

Chopper’s fruit might be the strongest zoan

[reef sandal]

it seems like it is already, given that the draw of zoans is physical versatility and he has the most of that we've seen

[modest skiff]

yeah like brain point

In many ways Chopper is more of a shape shifter than a specific creature

[vapid minnow]

Yeah so Blackbeard might eat Chopper’s fruit and then Blackbeard will have like multiple forms

[versed hamlet]

Can you elaborate on the fix and curing of imu and blackbeard? I think you have an interesting premise i just want you to tease this thought out more so i can build my own corollary on this line of thinking. Thanks.

[grand walrus]

there is a creature in native american mythology that is a shapeshifter, actually there are multiple and it is a common trope in native american mythology. two popular ones are wendigo and skinwalkers

[vapid minnow]

Also iirc Chopper has 9 forms, thats the same number of circles on the Ancient Kingdom logo

[reef sandal]

blackbeard won't eat chopper's fruit because that would mean chopper dies and i'm not willing to accept that oda would kill chopper, especially before he becomes a doctor that can cure any disease

[tawny cairn]

Chopper said he would come for his fruit and Usopp denied it saying his fruit was weak 💀💀

[versed hamlet]

Kung fu point isnt. Athing. The fan base all collectively sgreed to pretend like it never existed.

[grand walrus]

what if chopper has the wendigo or skin walker devil fruit? however these beings are evil.

[modest skiff]

yeah i am not understanding the BB component of this.

[grand walrus]

black beard can't sleep so there is an assumption of ill health on his part

[versed hamlet]

No i understand and i can explain it to you i just want to know more of pink hairs significance on this sentiment

[vapid minnow]

Blackbeard: If he has multiple personalities or souls etc, if he eats Chopper’s fruit then he can probably shift his other personas within the different forms

Imu: Assuming Imu is not physically healthy because of what Doflamingo saying power is fragile, then it can possibly rejuvenate Imu. Assuming tho they’re actually sick

[reef sandal]

atypical physiology =/= ill health

[versed hamlet]

What does the shaman fruit have that laws fruit cant do thenv

[grand walrus]

shamans besides being able to cure, their most relevant trait is that they can speak with the dead

[modest skiff]

hmmm ok i see now

[vapid minnow]

Law’s fruit is moreso limited by his own expertise. So like Chopper’s fruit allowed him to quickly find a cure to Queen’s poisons, we can assume that Chopper’s brain point allows him to progress even quicker than normal limitations. So Chopper’s medical expertise increases as he’s using the powers. So eventually the power will allow him to cure anything, possibly even stop aging.

[modest skiff]

I'm going to ponder this as I lay in bed. Thanks for the great discussion everyone. Goodnight

[vapid minnow]

Night Mohdoo

[static lodge]

Oke

[halcyon tusk]

i’m definitely not imagining how law appears to continue getting more and more broken as far as what he’s actually capable of, right?

[modest skiff]

Questions/discussions regarding relative power or capability should be in manga channels rather than theories. We try to keep this channel free of power scaling etc discussions. If there is a theory you have of some underlying reason why someone is strong, that’s a different story, but if you’re just pointing out strength, it’s more of a manga channel thing

[halcyon tusk]

i was gonna be satisfied with a yes or no and leave if at that but whatever

[fresh plaza]

How Zoro will defeat death.

This is going to be quick and easy, so buckle up.

Zoro met death. He was clearly slashed by the scythe of the Grim Reaper, and blood was gushing out while he's on he's face as opposed to how he was on his back in chapter 1038.

Zoro will meet the dead. He'll meet certain characters, and not just anyone. Zoro used Enma, Shisui, and Wado Ichimonji, what do those 3 three swords have in common? They belonged by 3 dead characters that have relation to Wano, and they are Oden, Ryuma, and Kuina.

Zoro will especially interact with them because they're individuals that have a big importance to the current events and Wano. Oden the motivator for the current arc, and Ryuma the Sword God that has a black blade will talk and motivate Zoro, but it will ultimately be Kuina that gives him the push to defeat his fate and live on because she's his friend and they made a promise which would be broken if he died.

This will fit into the story very smoothly, because we didn't see any "real" moments to Zoro that made us emotional even though Wano is mostly related to him. it will give us an emotional moment that fits narratively, involving Zoro and his relationships with characters other than the Strawhats similar to Sanji in Wholecake Island.

And that's it, what are your thoughts?

[alpine forge]

https://www.opfanpage.com/2022/02/09/how-luffy-will-overthrow-im-sama-and-1he-world-government/3/

[primal cargo]

This is really good

The point of the balance of powers was never to help people or keep the peace but to divide up the world so that people are either always fighting or staying in their place. The balance the Five Elders talk about is not making sure that the pirates and marines are always equal but to make sure that there is always enough problems that people are not uniting.

Makes a lot of sense

[wet kayak]

that would be very interesting

[primal cargo]

Always felt weird how the "three great powers" were called that even though one of them is clearly nothing compared to the others. So the warlords aren't here for military force, they're here to maintain discord among pirates

[nocturne jay]

doesnt fit one piece's theme

[abstract pond]

I said a while ago that all the "nami clones" were all princess of some kind and that Nami will end up being one.

[zinc iris]

what is this about?

[muted ember]

There's a line in Enies Lobby that says that the person who eats a df will learn the name of it. But a more accurate explanation is that the fruits powers are unknown until someone eats one, and the fruit is named based on the power it gives

[zinc iris]

Ok

Still if its about what the gorosei were saying a couple of chapters ago

It likely still is about unisha unless Oda wanted to be especially dishonest about it

Way more than some red herring

[glacial sphinx]

so im in ep 869 in the katakuri fight and ive been wondering what the black/red lighting is whenever color of arms clash idk if ive missed something or was it explained

[lunar topaz]

Supreme King Haki Clash??

[west current]

Well everyones haki colour is different

[edgy viper]

Yeah, divide et impera, divide and reign
Garp makes a genius remark on this when he talks about the Reverie, saying how the bigger, stronger kingdoms will play the smaller ones against each other
It's a huge pyramid of puppetmasters with probably Imu on top of it

That's also why Orochi totally misses the point when he says it's ironic that the WG strikes deals with pirates to fight pirates
CP0 and by extension the CD couldn't care less. Pirates, Marines, Mafiosi, all those are equally "human scum" to them. They hold worth only if and as long as they serve some purpose of the CD

[glacial sphinx]

so it doesnt appear when the opponent doesnt have it

[lunar topaz]

Yeah I think

[glacial sphinx]

do they like infuse the supreme kign haki to the hardening

[lunar topaz]

No but

Like you can see the Color even if you don't infuse it in

[fathom matrix]

I think it's just when conquerors users clash, they give out black energy, sort of like A. as a visual effect, but B. maybe to assert dominance?

Like, who has the more powerful colour of conquerors, so it releases the black energy as a byproduct.

But it can only show if their power is either equal, close to being equal, or are around the same level at that point

[glacial sphinx]

holy shit just witnessed snake man thats cool as hell

oh also realised that im prolly on the wrong text channel

[exotic flume]

Lmao

[glacial sphinx]

since this is manga theories and im watching the show😳

[pure raven]

i think zoro was hurt by that shinigami ...he was first laying at his back after that he was that shinigami and couldn't move

after that in chapter 1040 we noticed that he was laying on his stomach and bleeding out ..like he was cut

[lunar topaz]

damn

[pure raven]

yes

• brook appeared ... but the was running with nico robin from the cp0 so that shinigami is not brook

[lunar topaz]

yeah

[median abyss]

Hi

What every one doin?

[vapid minnow]

Yeah I think that Nami more than a princess, like she’s gonna be like “the key” to everything if that makes sense. I am thinking there is a reason why all the princesses and Nami all look similar. Remember Oda is known for designing strange unique characters, if he wanted to he could have made the princesses more distinctive, but chose to make them all comparable in looks. Don’t you think that’s odd? Oda is intentionally doing it to highlight something or someone relative later on.

[vagrant scaffold]

I think Oda draws female characters the same for less subtle reasons then that

[vapid minnow]

Hard to tell because you can say that yet look at the female characters introduced in this arc and WCI, they’re all so distinctive in appearance. Only the princesses look similar to one another.

[abstract pond]

And there is also stuff like: https://i.stack.imgur.com/hWq7X.jpg

Nami look alikes:
-Vivi: Princess of Alabasta
-Rebecca: Princess of Dresrossa
-Shirahoshi: Princess of Gyojin Island

[vapid minnow]

Yup! I was just going to say those from the past like the woman on the St. Briss kingdom ship, also Toki who’s 800 years old, they’re all similar to the current day princesses

Titi Nefetari too
Yamato: The Oni Princess

[amber oar]

ah that reminds me. It's pinned but there are two vivre card number slots empty from around the time they investigated the St.Briss (vivre card numbers roughly correlate to intro chapter, with some exceptions). There's a chance that lady is brought up later.

[vapid minnow]

Yeah I wouldn’t doubt that learn about Briss later on, they seem to have some type of relevance

[muted ember]

Law could give Fujitora eyes to see Luffy

[ashen plaza]

I'm waiting for the Monkey form of Luffy..

Why there would be one?well...

Look..

Basically, all of us are monkeys,then Luffy would be fighting the Gods(The nobles) with his monkeys

Oh yeah, based from Sun Wukong from Journey to the west

Monkey "King" Luffy

Monkey D Luffy

[vapid minnow]

That’s probably gonna be his final form in the end of the series

[ashen plaza]

As much as I want Luffy to be caught by the Marines or something else,like Sun wukong getting sealed in the mountain.That would only make One Piece longer...

[vapid minnow]

so what? You got anywhere more important to be than reading One Piece?

[ashen plaza]

No, I mean, Luffy getting caught might not be necessary

[vapid minnow]

I doubt Luffy gets caught, but won’t be surprised if we get more rescue arcs in the future. I feel like people are trying to justify that One Piece needs to end soon. Clearly we’re reaching the climax, but that doesn’t necessarily mean Oda wants to just end it already. He might have more ideas to add on last minute, doesn’t seem like he’s in a rush to finish as well

[heady parrot]

joyboy presumably was captured or died at the hands of the wg if that hat is his in mariejoa and roger died after being “captured” as well so maybe luffy is meant to break the mold of the story of sun wukong rather than conform to it. a twist on fate.

[heady parrot]

and he was in prison in udon just not by the wg so maybe that’s luffys imprisonment parallel

[ashen plaza]

What if there are people like Roger and Joyboy, per generation? Tbf, there are some missing history.then Luffy would break it ,like you've said

[ashen plaza]

He got caught in WCi too,right?omg..

[vapid minnow]

Imu’s chamber had 7 halls and its been 800 years for the void century. So it could be each hall represents the “figurehead” for each century and now Luffy is the 8th, who’ll break that cycle

[ashen plaza]

Look up" Six cycles of Reincartion".. Joyboy might not be or be one of the Six cycles..then Luffy be either be the 7th,breaking the cycle.. or 6th

[vapid minnow]

Think it can be incorporated in some context but I wouldn’t say that this solely focuses on Luffy. It could be a representation of many characters like the Yama holding the wheel has 3 eyes and one of the cycles on the wheel represents Ashura, so that could tie into Zoro’s character. This seems more of a broader aspect than Luffy/Joyboy representation

[ashen plaza]

Wait..if Oda was inspired by some buddhism..then..Sengoku should die ,right? Then some OP marine would get his fruit ..hmmmm..

Buddha fruit should be one of the top tier df

[wintry lake]

Zunesha

Joy boys companion, maybe aunesha is uranus?

[pure raven]

Why joy boy is not a member of D clan, cloud it be he is someone like momo ?

[modest skiff]

We don’t know he wasn’t a d

I don’t think we even know d is a clan

[pure raven]

I wonder what if even his name was scrambled just like laughtale to raftel

[pale laurel]

D could also be a representation of a sunset or a smile

[vapid minnow]

Or half moon

[pale laurel]

it could also be a half moon, but Joy Boy is related to 'the dawn of the world' and possible Sun God Nika

the Moon, as far as I gather, is related to Wano and the Minks

[vapid minnow]

Moon has significance too because when Enel went to Brika ruins there’s a giant Straw Hat in the temple

[pale laurel]

really?

[vapid minnow]

yeah check the cover story

[pale laurel]

i'll check

[pale laurel]

I suppose it might be a straw hat

[vapid minnow]

yup 👍

[ashen surge]

Whicu cover story

[buoyant perch]

Guess its related to ancient weapons...joyboy wielded all 3.....only once in 800 years all exist in the same era

[ashen surge]

Did he, we already know that Poseidon is a person

[vapid minnow]

No we didn’t know. It’s Enel’s Space Adventure cover story

[uncut topaz]

will big mom be dead after wano arc?

[oak mortar]

I think she will lose her memory but its just speculation

[vapid minnow]

No she’s likely alive, but that’s not necessarily a theory. Should hop on #manga or #also-manga to ask that question for a deeper discussion

[uncut topaz]

thx

[warm cave]

One Piece is actually “Friendship”

[abstract pond]

We don't know if he is a D or not. Joy Boy could be a nickname.

Sorry, chat didn't load for some reason and answered the same

[lean dew]

Djoy boy

[pure raven]

That’s actually a big question for both emperors, will they be killed like white-beard or just defeat would be the theme.
The way kaido messed wano retainers won’t let him live but wouldn’t suit luffy’s style

[wintry lake]

Oda stated that it’s actually a thibg

I believe D will is about doom against marines

[bitter kraken]

Yeah big mom isn’t dying, her crew is still lurking somewhere and they’re in full health could protect her from any of the allies

[upper lagoon]

You think franky would build shanks a new arm

[tribal wedge]

it kinda makes no sense and honestly has no big significance to the plot if he does

[tribal wedge]

Calling that it's the song Binks Brew

Whats the possibility that Zunesha is uranus?

[unkempt lintel]

Has anyone thought about robin for the fruit the gorosei were talking about? She straight up turned into a demon

[bitter kraken]

I don’t think it’s Uranus only because it’s easily damaged, it’s a living creature and jack was about to finish it with cannons until momo gave the order to fights back. Imagine someone hit it wirh powerful slashes

Would cut its legs clean off

[torpid mist]

So i think Rayleigh has a good chance of showing up in the Wano epilogue. Two main reasons are : i believe a good amount of the true history will be revealed in Wano, but it will be by someone who is not trusted by the strawhats so they will be skeptical - Rayleigh being there to confirm and add some color from his journey would add credibility to the history. Also, zoro declared himself king of hell after defeating King the Wildfire but we already have an underworld king in the story - Rayleigh! I think this epithet is really a title with imbued powers that has been or will be passed on to Zoro by Rayleigh, and there is a chance Rayleigh will be able to save zoro's life with this power while he teaches zoro how to use it. It would be so cool to have a Rayleigh/zoro training mini arc given how many similarities they have: both 1st mates, eye scars, swordsmen, advanced CoC users, etc.

[modest skiff]

We discussed it a bit here #manga-theories message

My big thing is that Black Maria is 27 feet tall and yet Robin handled her like she was nothing

The horns and sharp teeth are not just limbs or something. She fundamentally transformed into something else. Flower flower fruit does not make sense. My theory was Oni Oni

[radiant light]

Mhhh xouncidence!

Coincidence

[clever sandal]

whos the bottom

[silver sphinx]

so Mihawk is a relative of Imu, Zunesha transformed into a giant elephant as punishment for his sin (who is also a relative to Imu)

[silver sphinx]

zunesha i believe

[clever sandal]

Would make sense maybe the devilfruit that was being talked about is what zunesha ate

[silver sphinx]

yk, i just realised, Zunesha seems pretty important to the world history of the void century, being Joyboy's former companion and all.

you'd think Imu or the WG would want to try to get rid of him or incapicitate him. maybe attack and conquer Zou?

but there really hasn't been much evidence of assaulting Zunesha. I mean, they would be much more damaged and hurt than we've seen them to be if the WG tried.

[clever sandal]

Arent the wg the ones who sentenced him to eternal walking? They coulda killed him if they wanted and conquering zou would seem odd because i dont think theyre able to control zou correct me if im wrong

[silver sphinx]

i don't believe it was confirmed it was the WG to have punished Zunesha (if you could show me exactly where it was said, i'd much appreciate that).

besides that, minks are as much of a powerful asset as giants in the marineforce. also, where were they on the red line with the CD's? We haven't seen mink slaves at all, yet we know fishmen have been slaves...

[clever sandal]

Yea not 100% confirmation but maybe imu himself since he got punished 800 years ago or the gorosei if they are immortal too which is possible

[silver sphinx]

i think Zunesha's punishment was self-inflicted. he could've done something to ruin the plans of Joyboy or the war between WG and joyboy.

he felt guilt and to repent, he became a giant elephant. perhaps as a chance of redemption, he resigned himself to carry the home of the minks who were diaspora (due to the WG winning the war) until someone could free him and win the war against the WG later in his long suffering life.

i think the sin he carries is that he was part of the reason why Joyboy died and as a companion of his, that would terribly mess him up in the mind.

[reef sandal]

elephant eyes just look like that tbf

[torpid mist]

Disturbingly Eye of sauron ish

[warm cave]

One Piece is actually a memo saying “Troll”

[unkempt lintel]

Im in your camp. This morning i reread from the beginning of the raid till recent and it just struck me as possible oversight so im glad it’s mentioned by someone

[modest skiff]

I think the panels make her look strong and imposing but the "camera angle" doesn't do justice to the fact that she's insanely gigantic

[pure raven]

i was thinking too, that maybe is somehow related to Im maybe even grand son or something etc ...

[modest skiff]

I know people have pointed out the same eyes being present in other places, like Cavendish, but the fact that eyes are the only detail we have been given about imu other than their height and style of dress makes me think it has to be some level of significant

[silver sphinx]

yeah, it's not the usual straight silhouette. sometimes Oda will show us something other than an outline with Silhouettes like green bulls smile, or Luffy dancing during the party on skypiea. the eyes could be a very important detail for the plot like maybe a clan has those eyes, or it's a symbol that represents something...perhaps devil fruit related? who knows

[pure raven]

yamato

[pure raven]

Hi

[tepid fulcrum]

Hi

[sand sail]

@pure raven @tepid fulcrum @static lodge This isn't really the channel for casual convo, better to talk about all that in #also-manga or #manga

Let's also not get into the Yamato thing pls

[tepid fulcrum]

K

[modest crane]

Yo thoughts on DF actually physically being contained inside the hosts body like an organ. So when Lin Lin ate mother Caramel, she technically ate the DF and BB knew this and pulled the gura gura out of WB

[modest skiff]

If there was a specific organ required, it wouldn't work on swords or teapots

[modest crane]

No i mean it manifests itself in the body not a literal organ but its in there

[vale current]

BB knowing about that makes so much sense lol
Plus the DF being contained in the body isnt it obvious to be simply the devil of the fruit?!

[modest crane]

You’re assuming that there is actually a devil in the fruit instead of it being just a scientific tool

[modest crane]

Theory that Queen manufactured the Ice Oni Virus from Yamatos cells. She’s an Oni and her Mythical Zoan seems to have freezing abilities. Just a thought I’ve had for a while

[atomic quarry]

after having read chpt:1040 I'm starting to subcribe to the idea toward the theory that Joyboy was an actual giant the size of Oars who rode Sunisha back in the day. And the skull in Onigashima is actually Joyboy skull. I'm not the first to come up with this speculation.

[fallow plaza]

I think he is the founder of d clan

Think about it in this way, there was a pirate crew lead by a person named joy boy 800 years ago, back when pirates were like small fries but this guy changed the world upside down and for him and his crew mates there should be something common, so they add the same initials to their name "D"

[fresh plaza]

Why not? Brook, a main character fits with this a lot. Wano has many relations to spirits and etc.

[amber oar]

I can believe this, but my only questioning is that the whole Joyboy is a giant thing started off with the straw hat in Mary Geoise. That hat is gigantic but not Onigashima skull level of gigantic.

If we abstract ourselves from the hat, yes could be

[timber silo]

maybe it was oda just being bad with sizes again

it's still quite plausible, also iirc the translation said nakama/crewmate

[amber oar]

Oda is bad at sizes yes but this is a lot more extreme. The hat would need to be larger than the entire Pangea castle.

When you have an element A which is bigger than an element B, Oda is actually pretty consistent at drawing A bigger than B; his inconsistency goes on how big is A respect to B.

[timber silo]

hmm

yeah the hat is too small for the skull, but the gigantic thing is still very plausible imo

who knows zunesha might have been ALOT smaller back in the day

[raw laurel]

https://www.reddit.com/r/WildAnimeTheories/comments/srdosc/poll_theory_of_the_month_january/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 please vote for the break down of Blackbeard theory it’s good

[static lodge]

Just a Theory

[agile tangle]

Interesting theory

[raw laurel]

Yer

[mint violet]

Ayo guys, wanna ask something about Bushokoka Haki

[errant rune]

If Zoro is falling off Onigashima,
He's going to land in the same hole as BM.
BM might try to use some of her lifespan to heal herself but accidentally heals Zoro, thus Zoro finishing what he's due😈😈😂

[mint violet]

Is it right if I say that Bushokoka Haki need a solid form of object to get applied? I mean.. we havent see flame covered in Bushokoka Haki and I think that might be impossible

[vernal perch]

Hot takes on Big Mom's words about the One Piece?

[hidden tinsel]

Wano is a part of One Piece maybe, and Zunesha had something to do w it shutting my guess

[raw laurel]

Bad translating

[onyx ridge]

Ya the fan translation was quiet different from the official. They also had different text for kid and law right before they used their final attack. Law said “your death screeches r hurting my ears” and kid didn’t say overstay her welcome in the fan translation

Imo fan translation was a bit more badass but if it’s inaccurate to the story that sucks caus big mom talking about the one piece and roger is big

[grand walrus]

why do you think zunesha was involved with wanos isolation

[hidden tinsel]

Just a wild thought and speculation, was replying to Hage

[raw laurel]

I think oda is going for a whole Jesus vibe here.

Joyboy is Jesus and zunisha is Judas

[gritty sigil]

About the bombs, only one bomb exploded at big mom ??

If they use all the bombs they may even kill zunisha with it

[safe snow]

Time for a wild theory. Just hear me out.

So we already know that the true history is at laugh tale and clearly the WG doesn't want anyone to find about it. So when Roger reaches laugh tale and sees the true history for himself, he learns the truth behind Celestial dragons, Gorossei and Imu but he since he was already dying and couldn't do all that much to change the situation, he surrendered and said his famous/infamous words at his execution starting the great pirate era. Roger thought that the next crew that would reach the laugh tale would be the one (piece) to take down the WG. Only the crew which is able to make the nigh impossible journey would stand a chance.

I know it's absurd but I thought it's worth sharing.

[hexed cliff]

From my understanding Roger's crew made it there 20 years too early. He very well could have used his last words to inspire someone to make it there

[raw laurel]

Why would her kill zunisha ?

[mortal field]

I like the theory, i just think the one about BB past kinda doesnt feel right. Luffy has said his name multiple times along with his middle initial but he's been getting hunted down for completly different reasons.

[modest skiff]

I wrote something similar here #manga-theories message I think Roger knew what needed to be done and that’s how he set it in motion

[teal ivy]

I think Franky is going to save Zoro from falling somehow

[fathom matrix]

SOOOOO this is interesting

What if the one piece does have a large amount of treasure, but some of it was from wano?

Or there's a resource/collection of items scattered around or hidden in wano, but some of that was collected for the one piece

honestly, it seems like every chapter Oda's answers just raise more questions

which works

[raw laurel]

It might be the ancient weapons

[fathom matrix]

well, she says "some of it" and not "it's gonna be here too" so it's more like an amount of something than what it actually is

YET AGAIN, if it's Uranus, I guess that ancient weapon could have been broken apart 🤔

[mortal field]

Its time for my shitty theory of One Piece

I think Blackbeard df is going to be the Bai Ze

Ight first thing is first, BB has both a logia and a paramecia, so him having a zoan is no surprise

Also, im one of the few people that think BB soul is separated into 3 parts not due to soul possession, but rather Dissociative Identity Disorder

The df could possibly be tied to the soul, with people such as Brook’s df being tied to his soul rather than his body. This could also explain why BB was able to take Whitebeards df, as his soul was leaving his body rather than eating his body

So 1 df is tied to one part of BB, the other to BB other soul

However, i think these df may tie into BB’s personality

I think BB has 3 sides to him. Himself (calm, cool, kinda of a goof) its usually shown during the panel of BB saying Dreams dont die and him eating pie

A cruel side, one that thinks more smarter than the average person. Cares little about other besides his own upbringing im kinda dumb so imma text what he says (going to Impel Down to find a member by hosting a deathmatch, boldly telling Luffy that he wouldve killed him if Ace didnt stop him, referring to plundering as a party)

And of course, his scared, bitch made side. Typically willing to beg for mercy and try his hardest to escape any situation

Ight so why do these sides of him even matter you may ask? Because i think something needs to match the df for one of his sides

For a fearful person, quake would work, for BB normal side he always wanted the dark fruit

The reason i pick the Bai Ze is because and im so fucking sorry im a pokemon fan is due to the allusion of the mythical zoan ability

Ight so in Pokemon, Absol is based off the Bai Ze, the pokemon can tell danger at any given time and is shown as an omen

The Bai Ze has 2 stories to it, one being able to give the Yellow Emperor of China intelligence to fight against monsters (BB would benefit as he doesnt fight majority of the time, rather he third party at the right time) and the other story gave one of the warned of a plague sweeping Japan (again with giving information for BB to leave when things get tough)

The Bai Ze is said to have 6 horns and 9 eyes, whileothers made it have the body of a cow with a human face

Fits along with the factor of 3 being tied to Blackbeard, and the ability to give him a warning for danger

Also the Bai Ze being inspiration for Absol, a pokemon able to tell coming doom is also a tie in for BB, as anytime Bb shows up he usually brings trouble with him

Uh thats all, was this Theory terrible? It sure as hell was. Sorry that i made yall read that

[reef sandal]

idk i thought it was good
way more effort than theories tend to get
seems plausible

[mortal field]

[pure raven]

I think the thing big mom is referring to in 1040 is the fact that the kozuki clan can read and write in the language of the poneglyphs. Im sure she knows about this already due to her status as an emperor and connections to kaido. The connecftion between the one piece and wano is the kozuki. Its something we already know.

The thing that big mom is wondering and what we are wondering is WHY the kozuki are connected to the one piece.

[twin widget]

the skull in onigashima is much bigger than oars' head i believe

[raw laurel]

https://www.reddit.com/r/WildAnimeTheories/comments/srut8f/working_on_a_new_theory_about_drake_is_law_part/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[sinful helm]

why people keep posting outside links

[modest skiff]

When posting a link, we ask you please include a description at the very least. Give us something to discuss rather than a url. Ideally you copy the text here rather than using this as a way to draw attention to a Reddit post. People are less likely to discuss your theory if it is an outside link.

[raw laurel]

It’s not really a discussion I’m looking for it’s just to get more votes in so I can get a better idea from that

[abstract pond]

More the reason to never click on links without text

[raw laurel]

The vote is if law is a traitor or an ally that works with sword

[mortal field]

I cant even read the theory

[raw laurel]

It’s not a theory it’s a question

[abstract pond]

wrong channel then

[raw laurel]

Meh

This is one piece Reddit forum server, does anyone really care ?

[modest skiff]

Yes, that’s why we have rules and a channel description for this channel. We try to keep it extra clean and serious compared to the other channels

[raw laurel]

Clean and serious and one piece /r/ don’t mix in my experience with the community

[amber oar]

precisely why we better try at least to keep this place serious

[sand sail]

We're affiliated, the sub is very different to the server. Please adhere to the server rules while you're here

[pine delta]

I think that with oda intentionally showing us the capital has no idea what’s going on, we’re gonna get a panel of a dramatic reveal to them what’s going on. Either:

A: Kaido crashing down after being beat by luffy
B: momo descending in his adult form and declaring himself shogun

[silver sphinx]

Idk i feel like there might be a huge finish like there was in fishman island with the sea kings. We have Zunesha here and a giant floating island. Also the WG are right outside.

[bitter flower]

Who do you think you will kill Kaido (if he dies)? Dying by the hands of Luffy is too honorable, and the marines will throw him in Impel Down. I think the Blackbeard pirates are gonna steal him while he’s still weakened after wanna and kill him/steal his fruit

[fathom matrix]

Well, Kaido may end up getting captured again, or hell, maybe he's publically executed by Wano.

[bitter flower]

I don’t think he’ll be publicly executed. He wants a grand death and Oda won’t give him what he wants. If he dies, I think it’ll be a pathetic death after he’s been defeated and nobody cares about him

[fathom matrix]

Nah, I don't think it would be pathetic. Maybe a public execution won't work, but something like that probably won't work too well

Honestly, it's kind of a tug of war of if Kaido will or won't die

[bitter flower]

Yeah, I just can’t think of anyone besides Blackbeard who would kill Kaido. Him not dying and going to Impel Down (like Doffy) does seem like the most likely possibility, but I don’t think it’s enough

[raw laurel]

I don’t know the fact they aren’t aware makes me feel like this is part of the raid failing part

[pure raven]

roger turned himself in

[amber oar]

Sounds like an idea taken from... a certain book series

but yeah Roger turned himself

[silver sphinx]

Which one, im curious

[silver sphinx]

Even if this were true, i doubt it would be enough for the gorosei to trust him.

[amber oar]

It's forbidden to talk spoilers from any other series. But that thing of posing as a traitor for someone who is going to sacrifice is something already seen

[silver sphinx]

damn

[pure raven]

we dont know the full story

yes we do

[pure raven]

DM me

[amber oar]

We literally know the full story, Rayleigh sat down and told it

[silver sphinx]

Shanks wouldve still been a kid when Roger died

[pure raven]

he was dying of a disease so he turned himself in because he acomplished everything he wanted in life

[amber oar]

Shanks was 15 IIRC

[silver sphinx]

Alr but 15 Shanks wouldnt be overpowering Roger, even if he was sick

[pure raven]

True but would Roger keep that a secret from Rayleigh...

[amber oar]

Either way the plan is unnecessary extra steps. Roger turned himself in and adding extra data at this point would contribute nothing.

[silver sphinx]

Keep what secret

[pure raven]

there was no secret

[silver sphinx]

The mystery behind Shanks isn’t something we can figure out at this point. We have so little info about him it’s impossible without extrapolating fantastically.

[pure raven]

the entire crew knew he had a deadly disease

Bob the story could still expand with that Shanks theory

[silver sphinx]

Itd be a boring way to explain a grand mystery tho

[amber oar]

Also there's another problem with that premise. If Roger planned to stage a betrayal from Shanks, there are two options:

• If they told everyone else, Rayleigh wouldn't have said he turned himself in
• If they didn't tell anyone else, Shanks would be seen as a traitor by the rest, which doesn't fit with his friendly encounter with Rayleigh after he returned from the East Blue (after leaving Luffy with the straw hat)

[raw laurel]

I think roger just walked into a marine base and said he was turning himself in

[amber oar]

Exactly, it's that simple

[raw laurel]

He probably just walked in to a base in the middle of some quite town with tons of low level marines walked through the doors and said he wanted to speak to garp and if they could summon him

[pure raven]

in this logic luffy could grow lunarian wings out of no where and zoro could turn into a fishman

[amber oar]

I mean he's already part marimo

[dark palm]

[slim mountain]

Perhaps this isn't a very creative, new, or even deep theory but I just had some sort of epiphany. The "One Piece" is just that. It's one piece of the final goal or treasure or whatever. Roger left everything he had, because he only had "one piece". In the latest chapter, Big Mom mentions that "some" or "part of it" or whatever could be in Wano. Perhaps that goes together with Shirahoshi and whatever is at Laugh Tale, etc.

[shadow ruin]

Luffy has two out of the four needed road poneglyphs and the last 2 are in close proximity. Zunesha which holds one of the 4 glyphs is already really close to Wano where the mugiwara pirates are stationed, and of course one the road poneglyphs is in wano. Could we see them heading to laughtale sooner than people are anticipating?

[weak arrow]

Well, most people are assuming we'll get the 4th one in Elbaf, which people assume is the arc after wano. After that, some think they'll go straight to laugh tale. Others like me think they'll go to lodestar first after elbaf, and then laugh tale. So idk how soon you are trying to imply with your statement.

[shadow ruin]

I was thinking right after wano, I mean they have access to all 4 after luffy takes down kaido

[weak arrow]

That's not true. You're counting the poneglyph on zunisha twice.

[shadow ruin]

Big moms and Fishman island one

They haven’t gotten one on zunesha yet

[weak arrow]

Zunesha was the first one they got. The one they read on fishman island wasn't a road poneglyph.

The strawhats read the joyboy apology one, which wasnt the road poneglyph. The other one pictured is the one that inu/neko says is missing.

[fallow flicker]

i don't know if i am the first to say this but, what if zunesha needs to be in a specific spot to access raftel since she is carrying a road poneglyph on her back? And momo is gonna be the one to lead the elephant to that specific spot to form a cross with the road poneglyphs in fishman island, whole cake island, and wanokuni?

[slim mountain]

The location on the road poneglyph is where the point for the X is, not the location of the poneglyph itself

[desert hatch]

yea the one that roger found on fishman island is the missing one

so i think that since it was under whitebeards control, he prob hid it, or bb found it after taking his territories or something

[royal agate]

so ig its confirmed the grim reaper isnt brook

since in a panel it showed brook somewhere else i was hoping for a new brook ability

[wet perch]

Kind of looked like Zoro was slashed across his throat given where the blood spatter was

[runic osprey]

He is bleeding out of his severe injuries

I dont think they cut his throat

[runic osprey]

I think theyr next destination is mariejois

[supple coyote]

I think there can be another ts

Before going to war they need a strong weapon and frankly remembers and wil need time to create pluton

[pure raven]

@supple coyote when he destroy the blue print i think he already read it and memorize the instruction

[supple coyote]

Yup!!! It's a big-ass ship so will need enough time to build

[pure raven]

what if sunny can transform to pluton

[fervent flax]

What do u guys think of the binks sake theory? U guys buy into that?

[ashen surge]

It's just a song

I think Shanks knows where the last Rponeglyph is

[ashen surge]

The japanese name of One Piece implies it's everything in there

[pure raven]

i believe its true we can witness that rogers pirates drinks beer with joy and sadness

[idle monolith]

I belive that Imu sama was the first one to have been performed the immortality treatment by ope ope no mi, And it was 800 years ago, I belive that Imu sama's devil fruit is a fruit which can dupe devil fruits but with a catch of only duping 1 fruit per century and must have the fruit in order to dupe it, Imu sama used the Dupe fruit and duped ope ope no mi 5 times, (Explains Gorosei's immortality) and gave it to the gorosei and lost it 2 centurys ago 800 = 500 + 300, and is said to be searching for ope ope no mi as well as gomu gomu no mi, we take ope ope no mi and gomu gomu no mi into consideration because navy tried to buy the ope ope no mi for 5,000,000,000 berri, and was unsucessful, the second fruit gomu gomu no mi, because in recent mangas it whos who revealed that Shanks stole the Gomu gomu no mi as mentioned in chapter 1018, After the Government finally got hands on the gomu gomu no mi and lost it by Shanks and whos who Who at time was working in CP9 the second highest cipher pol, and after whos who being irresponsible and losing the fruit to shanks was fired as the WG finally could have replicated the gomu gomu no mi not couldnt thanks to whos who.

The duplication fruit is considered dangerous and hence Imu sama was decided leader of WG

[low valley]

thats interesting, i like it but im not sure if a duplication fruit would exist

still it gives an explanation to the gorosei and the government wanting ope ope and gomu gomu

[idle monolith]

The awakening is yet to come, if gomu gomu isnt and important fruit why would oda take trouble and throw it out that shanks stole it from a GOVERNMENT ship.

[pure raven]

What do you guys think the one piece is

[idle monolith]

Duplication fruit was also erased from the memories 800 years ago and if the fruit would exist explains immortality to certain characters.

[fervent flax]

How does the last gorosei live for 400 years while waiting for the ope ope operation

[idle monolith]

Theres more to living cause one piece has a lot of races and giants somehow have more lifespans than humans, and Dr. Kureha also (I think) didnt get any ope ope operation and still lived and is living 141 years

[fervent flax]

Must have sucked to draw the last straw. Being the last to gain immortality.
Growing old while ur friends stay the same for 400+ years

[idle monolith]

And its not like only waiting is to get the operation someone could have eaten the fruit and gave operation to the gorosei and the fruit appeared again, I took fruit appearing again as ace was the last 2nd known flame flame user and soon after ace's death after 2 years the fruit appeared again

[fervent flax]

Which part of the manga says the goroseis are immortal and from pre-void country?

[idle monolith]

manga dosent say that goroseis are immortal since gorosei when appeared 22 years ago were they same as now and looks like they didnt age a day and king of alabasta growed very old in just a span of 2 years

@fervent flax

[fervent flax]

Good catch
And all the marine hgher ups are in on it too. Cos they report to them

[ashen surge]

He might've just become sick?

[idle monolith]

then sengoku, garp, kaido many people aged except the goroseis

[fervent flax]

Shakky must have eaten the opeope fruit too , The girl back at Sabaody , she was part of rocks

[idle monolith]

shakky as rayleigh's wife and who is the other person your mention

@fervent flax

[idle monolith]

.

i mentioned about that

[muted ember]

140 is the age cap for regular people in the OP world, but since they're way beyond average, ppl like Kureha can possibly live even longer

[idle monolith]

140 is the age cap says who?

[muted ember]

Oda

[amber oar]

That's not an age cap, that's just the oldest known human character

[fervent flax]

Interesting theory , but nothing to back it up. and personally i think its pretty funny imagining Im like a gumball machine duplicating fruit .
like the dude from HxH

[idle monolith]

when theres a fruit that can time travel why not a duplicating fruit

[muted ember]

Sbs Volume 56

[idle monolith]

She's still superhuman explains some people who havent aged like shakky

[ashen surge]

People in OP just age differently, I don’t think there’s much to it

[royal agate]

so whats this theory that ussop gonna die?

[quick hatch]

Bravest thing is sacrfice for a cause

[royal agate]

first of all i hate desmos but that makes so much sense

[royal agate]

when/if he dies the internet is breaking and ill cry tbh bruh

[royal agate]

was that mean also that was east blue i thin oda coulda changed his mind?

[pure raven]

look at the card in usopps hand

[royal agate]

nooo

[pure raven]

I thought oda said none of the strawhats are gonna die

[royal agate]

exactly

maybe near death or somt

[pure raven]

That would be trash ngl, u need some deaths lol

[royal agate]

like a pedro situation but he barley survives

[pure raven]

imagine luffy's reaction

Then again you cant really take a mangakas word

[royal agate]

omg bruh that would awaken the most cold and sick Luffy Beserk

[quick hatch]

Ussop dieing would be a good way to show how fsr luffy has come. When ace died all luffy could do was freeze in shock. Now luffy can do something to avenge/honor his friend

[fathom matrix]

there was this adorable idea that they met the first time at God's Vally, but while they were fighting they were actually having a nice conversation and little chat. Like a little fun exchange during this intense battle going on in the background.

I kinda hope it's canon TBH, it seems cool

[pure raven]

How will the relationship of Luffy and Law evolve after Wano? Their deal was to defeat Kaido

[solid badger]

They’re gonna fall in love with each other

[robust sky]

the freak? is this comment allowed in here? hahahahaha

[solid badger]

Law will most likely cut off from being allied to luffy but will still be there for whatever events will transpire for the final arc and he will go to final island

Wouldn’t imagine Oda giving him a new goal of learning about history and just cut it short

[robust sky]

well, Law is more concerned about his origin ig? 🤔
learning about history like robin and what could the outcome when he choose sides ig? 🤔

[solid badger]

Obviously he’s gonna not choose the govt side or whoever opposing luffy, he’s just gonna have to be there when robin reads the rio poneglipf, after wano it looks like their alliance will end but as luffy states they’re still friends, law seemed to had enough of being used around comically in their fights

[robust sky]

yeah same with KID, but remember the scene where law read the ponyglyph? 🤔
can he read them? im starting to wonder 🥲

[pure raven]

no he is just standing there wtf is this

[solid badger]

Idk what he’s asking lol, seems straightforward to me

Unlikely chance of law getting axed by Oda at this point unless he needs to perform that surgery on whoever. But once again, it’d be crap writing to give law a new goal and just killing him off without seeing that goal himself, inherited will wouldn’t work here if he died becuase the strawhats already have that goal from the get go

[pure raven]

just wanted to hear other people's opinions

[lean trellis]

Law and Kid will both be captains aligned to Straw hat, it's why Odda has given them non conflicting goals that require maintaining a friendship. The comedy comes from Luffy not wanting to be their captain or boss and them not wanting to be under him but begrudgingly having that friendship and trust, like Zoro and Sanji do. Loads of funny conflict and competition but aligned till the end now, would be a massive waste of development if not

[pure raven]

Do you guys have any interesting theory about The God valley Incident ?

[atomic quarry]

That's where Yami Yami nomi got beaten

[oblique onyx]

Interesting take

[lament ermine]

Anyone else think Baltigo is the kingdom clover was talking about in robins flashback

[rough harness]

so in English, it's not clear if it's Zunesha or Joyboy who committed a crime. is it any more clear in Japanese?

[weak arrow]

It’s pretty clear it’s zunesha. This was also already told to us on Zou.

Zunesha was sentenced to walk because of a crime he committed

[tough lava]

Can’t wait for Wano to end and have Kid and Law read the news paper

Knowing morgan all credit will go towards luffy

[wintry lake]

Nope, I believe there has to be something with she being a person with a devil fruit, probs some holy sacred crime that involves devil fruits

[weak arrow]

I mean, it's a crime nonetheless, be it some holy sacred crime involving devil fruit or any other crime

[wintry lake]

Well yeah, but I believe that’s modt credible than zctual crime

Maybe eating 2 zoan mythic typz fruit and going unable to go back to human form, sentence to carry wano around

[pure raven]

Shouldn't sea water affect it? Also zou not wano

[primal cargo]

What do you mean actual crime. Nobody said Zunesha was punished for robbing people on the street ; obviously the crime was something hugely important

And quite likely something that could have been considered a crime or not depending on who you ask

[pure raven]

Accidentally triggering ancient weapon?

[raw laurel]

I don’t think zunisha is a df user

[sand sail]

At this point, I'd sooner think Joyboy's devil fruit is the one they're talking about

[weak finch]

What df do you think that might be? Just curious

[pine delta]

Do you think Zunesha's punishment of wandering and the minks living on its back being one and the same or just coincidental

[weak finch]

Scenario 1. Zunesha was punished for carrying Zou
Scenario 2. Zunesha was punished to carry Zou
Scenario 3. Zunesha's punishment is unrelated to Zou

[pine delta]

I think the mink kozuki bond as well as zunisha answering momo's commands might mean its related?

i wonder if it was originally that the minks had to relocate due to zunisha's crime and as punishment it had to carry the race on its back

[abstract pond]

Maybe Zunesha destroyed the previous mink land and was punished to carry the new one.

[raw laurel]

I think zunisha harmed the minks original home that’s why he has to carry it

[fathom matrix]

Heck, maybe Zunisha was controlled but he and probably the Minks still felt he should be punished

In fact, that brings up a very good point. There aren't a lot of areas that we know of where Fishmen and Minks live. It seems to be mainly Fishman Island or Zou

Maybe Fishmen lived on the surface or had island that populated their species, same with the Minks, but the GW lead to their homes getting destroyed and a lot of them were wiped out, leading to the creation of Fishman island, and new zou

[pine delta]

Maybe one past Poseidon user created the ocean floor kingdom?

Also could be persecution from humans (WG)

[torpid mist]

Are we SURE zunesha is being controlled? Isn't it possible Zunesha is just very dutiful in carrying out whatever the punishment was? We have some evidence that Momo is specifically named in Oden's journal as being part of a prophecy, so isn't it at least remotely possible that Zunesha has just been wandering, protecting Zou to honor the punishment until Momo is born?

[junior nebula]

Zunisha told a lie that made Joy Boy failed his mission and got the Minks exiled. As punishiment, he had to eat the devil fruit that would transform him to what he is now, turning him into a hollow shell of his former self , if he wasnt already an huge animal (which explains why he is so weak as well). In present day One Piece, that lie will become true for Luffy's journey, tho.

[tired osprey]

I think you reread the chapter when Jack attacks Zunesha.
If Momo didnt command zunesha she would die and bring all of zou down as well

[unborn onyx]

What do you all think op is

[neon shoal]

Maybe something similar to big straw hat in marinjou

Wait so joyboy companion was a 200 year old elephant?

[amber oar]

not 200, a thousand

[neon shoal]

No i mean 800 years ago the elephant was 200 years old

[amber oar]

ah ok

[raw laurel]

Yer I have a theory on that, essentially there was a giant purge that wiped these races out

[raw laurel]

I think he is just an elephant

No df trickery.

[abstract pond]

The straw hat in mariejois is nowhere near the size a Zunesha's hat would be.

[raw laurel]

Is this also one of Dali paintings ?

[weak finch]

yeah like this one

[raw laurel]

Here check this out you might like this.
https://www.reddit.com/r/WildAnimeTheories/comments/siaflj/the_truth_about_zunisha_and_the_florian_monster/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[weak finch]

ayoo

[raw laurel]

I think there is another zunisha out there somewhere

[weak finch]

I think that all islands in OP world were carried by some creatures and the WG exterminated these creatures or whatever, making islands to be separated. The reason why Wano is tightly related to the OP is because there is the skull of Onigashima (?), which may be the continent puller of Onigashima. The OP is probably related to carrying these islands back by some creatures (command the sea kings, command Zunesha, etc.) so they are together. Maybe Luffy and Roger's dream was to reunite islands and to be free to go from any island to the other, which is a stupid dream and may explain why Ace laughed

[lean pine]

Theory: kidd will get all the credit for the defeat of big mom because he had more flashy attacks

[raw laurel]

I believe the old world was filled with different gods. Lunarian sand Dali elephants were some of them the dragon was the top god

I think Kidd will fight big mom again

[weak finch]

@raw laurel what if Luffy tigerman is basically awakened Luffy's df and he moves the rubber in his surrounding like a tiger (basically like Doffy did with his strings?)

[raw laurel]

Got to wait and see.
Personally I prefer tiger man to be a g5 and awakening comes later

[neon shoal]

Ahhhh maybe

Actually thats a very good theory

[pure raven]

800 years ago man, also I believe Joyboy was a giant

bros what are ur theories on the sun god nika, I was rereading WCI and came across some stuff but can't remember

[raw laurel]

Binks D Nika @pure raven

[red anvil]

Supporting: Giant straw hat, giant pet elephant buddy
Maybe supporting: Noah was Joyboy’s ship
Counter: Great Kingdom didn’t have a giant bedroom fit for a giant Joyboy

[pure raven]

what does that mean nowhere do I read about Binks as a pirate in OP

[vale current]

What are the stuff you came across? Winding the sun god nika?

[raw laurel]

Ussop is joyboy or related to him

[raw laurel]

It’s literally in the song “ pirate are we “

[pure raven]

huh song ? we all know the song what does it have to do with sun god nika ?

[vale current]

OH Yess

[raw laurel]

The song is a hidden song about the final days of joyboy and how he failed and the government came to power and how the sake is actually the poneglyps which his crew took the responsibility of moving around the globe to hide so that one day the dawn can rise again and we just met zunisha who is a crew member who is doing just that

[pure raven]

the binks sake stuff doesnt appeal to me

seems like a boring way to convey the entire story

[hoary onyx]

after the void century, the previous memory fruit (puddings) user found out what BB is able to do (have two dfs) and got the invis fruit so they just went around taking the memory of the void century of everyone they wanted, the only people's memories not taken were of course WG important figures

[drowsy grotto]

the five old people will not die by the end of the series

[junior nebula]

I am glad I am not the only one who thinks so.

Binks Sake is good already as is. Its part of Brook's story. Its not tied to the one piece or void century

[amber oar]

oh no, we're not supposed to talk other series spoilers here

[neon shoal]

Sorry

[pure raven]

same let's not destroy the good old song with making it a conspiracy theory

[amber oar]

dw, I don't mind but someone might

[vale current]

So far for the Nika theory has only 2 dots connected: Sun god - Sun pirates and Nika the hero to free slaves with fishmen relates to slaves

[pure raven]

yes

[vale current]

Plus Who's Who noticed something strange. He saw that the prisoner who told him about Nika, suddenly vanished. WG prob did something, which adds to it not being nonsensical or void religion

[torpid mist]

Mother caramel got eaten on purpose

She was ordered to by the WG in order to create a yonko

[junior cape]

Big mom is actually likely dead. She seemed confident in her ability to survive whatever was in the bottom of the pit. If it was water, she's likely hoping it's shallow enough for her to stand in. If it was Magma, she's hoping her toughness is enough to take the heat. Although, considering the lighting on her as she was falling, I'm guessing it was a magma flow, and she is burn to death in it.

[runic osprey]

She will be saved yet again and return in a later arc but she is done in wano

[rigid gulch]

ryuma be joyboy's companion too?? like zunesha is to chopper so ryuma be to zoro

[junior cape]

[runic osprey]

The one who is most likely to die is gonna be kaido i think

[junior cape]

Yeah that's obvious. He seeks a glorious death, and he's not gonna stop attacking Wano if they just kick him out. He'll just get back up and try again, seeking the one who can kill him.

[pure raven]

but is he a real man tho

[junior cape]

That has nothing to do with it. He has plainly stated that he has no intention to leave Wano - EVER - and that the only way to get rid of him for good is to kill him. His hobby is literally Suicide, and he constantly laments how Roger and Whitebeard "Did it right." when they died. The whole "New Onigashima Project" is just a front for him starting conflicts in order to make someone strong enough to put him down.

For Wano to have a clean and timely resolution (lmao), Kaido MUST die, if not by Luffy's hands, then by the Vassals and the people of Wano.

There is no other option for him.

[torpid mist]

He was definitely planning to leaving wano to wage his war, that was the point of making Yamato shogun to rule in his absence

[junior cape]

Oh he definitely intended to LEAVE from time to time, but he intended for Wano to be his home base, like it had for the last 30 years.

He fully intended to rule it with an iron fist, through Yamato.

[stuck sundial]

I think the One Piece is a giant den den mushi that births a smaller den den mushi every 800 or so years awakens to its full power. When it’s at its full power it’s able to predict the future as well as memorize the past. That’s why Roger said he was too early. I also believe the crime Zunesha committed was attempting to harm the den den mushi in some way, such as the other theory says creating the poneglygh might have been the crime

[pure raven]

Why?

[vale current]

How it connects to the legendary df the gorosei feared? Good theory tho

[pure raven]

In ch 1040 the way raizo is standing reminds of zoro's "NOTHING HAPPENED "

[raw laurel]

Either way it makes to much sense

And it is historically accurate as in America slaves used songs to convey messages

[pure raven]

Not really it’s just people looking at things and saying “this could mean this” I haven’t really seen any definitive evidence to support the binks sake theory

[raw laurel]

In the song the lyric “waraibanashi” shows up which translates to laugh tale and I believe the ancient kingdoms name is actually the kingdom of waraibanashi.

It would also explain why oda dropped hints like luffy wanting a musician to join his crew so much, like that was he 1st thing he wanted and why Rogers crew kept seeing that song as they went around the world looking for the poneglyps

[runic osprey]

Very interesting

[neat lotus]

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/ssxnbz/one_piece_1040_theory_rocks_right_hand_part_2more/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

[hoary hatch]

That theory makes no sense at all. Is it a troll or just someone with a deranged mind?

[agile tangle]

The part 1 is certainly very far fetched to say the least

Very in depth theory but the theory itself is questionable

[dark palm]

lol

I like how the entire theory stands on the pretence of "Planets are made of Rocks, so the Rocks crew theme is planets"

[drifting aurora]

pfft

kaido bm and whitebeard. ah yes, my favourite planets

[rose spoke]

where is gonna be the red stone? you guys have any idea? What will happen with the one Shanks has?

[timber silo]

we don't know if shanks has one

[rose spoke]

I mean, there is only one left innit?

[timber silo]

also he prob might have one as well

[rose spoke]

thats my point

[timber silo]

two, since we haven't found the one kaido has

15 sec timer bruh, but ^^ iirc it's been confirmed he has one and we will prob find it after the raid or during

[rose spoke]

but he sure has one, maybe hidden by the samurai

What I am most intrigued by is the order in which other characters may appear

Revs, Marines, ex-Sichibukais, and the rest of the strawhats from dressrosa

If the Marines wait for the battle to be over in Wano, any bets on who appears first? BB?

[agile tangle]

Oh so even captains don't get a pass on the cooldown?

[timber silo]

captains ain't a special role it's just when you reach 20k messages and ask a mod for it

[rose spoke]

Im dying to know the stance the cp0 and the WG take next chapters. If CP0 wanna take Robin, with all strong ones fighting or even out.

[timber silo]

same

i think at this point they might try to kill her if they can't capture her

[primal cargo]

There is plenty of options
His plan can be ruined without him dying
He can have his spirit broken
He can get injured beyond recovery
He can get sent off the island and be made unable to come back until his plan is ruined
He can change his plans, or reveal his plan was something else all along
He can have his lifespan stolen and lose his strength
There is no ground to say he has to die.

[rose spoke]

He has to go blood

The man can turn into a flying dragon, dont think a detention island far enough is going to stop him

[primal cargo]

Good thing none of the options I proposed involve a detention center
I agree that only force will get us rid of Kaido, and it's Luffy's role to do that. But death is not necessary like I explained

[pure raven]

I once read a theory that Blackbeard could be an Octopus df user! Since they naturally have 3 hearts, so BB having 3 df‘s is given. Also it would be unique since it as water based animal, maybe allowing BB to breath underwater. Yes, its a weird theory, but do you thinks its plausible people?

@pure raven

[pure raven]

Its actually my favorite op theory if you didnt know

But i think you already do. Thanks for sharing anyway

[primal cargo]

I like the idea that BB gets a third fruit.
I do not like the idea that he already had it the whole time, and that we don't get to see the moment he gets his third

• why (and how) tf would he hide his octopus abilities for decades

[runic osprey]

That’s exactly my thought i think why would hide his octopus abilities for years

[pure raven]

I mean they mentioned that BB has a weird body

Maybe thats it

[pure raven]

Shanks literally mentioned that everyone underestimates BB and that has proven right

[agile tangle]

Yea but I thought there'll be some special permissions

[pure raven]

I think you can literally expect anything from him and the 3 headed flag etc. were shown from the start in his Jolly Roger

[agile tangle]

I know this one piece ytber who had a theory that bb ate the octopus fruit but it doesn't make sense because every df is recorded in the devil fruit encyclopedia

And if there were any hidden abilities like eating a third fruit they'll know about it

[pure raven]

we cant trust it very much anymore, since the WG literally revealed that they changed the name of a fruit?!

[primal cargo]

Yes and that's why I agree with the 3 fruits part.
Also I think the octopus theory is based on the idea that octopi have 3 hearts and thus he could store 3 DF powers. Which relies on the wild (and probably false) idea that DF powers are stored in the heart.

[pure raven]

thats right! But there must be a catalyst for DF to activate, since even objects can be crossed with DF? So it must be something intangible like souls maybe?

[pure raven]

No

[pure raven]

No? It was literally indicated that even stones have souls by Zorro early on. Even swords can take characteristics of its forger through haki

Wrong 😏

[primal cargo]

I'm not sure about stones, I think it was "a voice" rather than "a soul"
But the Merry for example definitely had some sort of soul

[pure raven]

Thank you for agreeing with me and proving @pure raven wrong 😌

[agile tangle]

While that's true, then their reaction to bb being able to eat more than one fruit shouldn't express surprise at him being able to

[pure raven]

I hate you

[agile tangle]

I think their reaction should more be like, how did he know

[pure raven]

sorry, if that was mean but i dont know you 😊

[pure raven]

thats true, but it was in the middle of a war and BB used a blanket to cover it up

[pure raven]

Apology not accepted

[pure raven]

You are correct! It would be nice to know you Shiela!

Im Aslan and like that we have the BB Octopus theory in common (:

[agile tangle]

I'm pretty sure she's not being serious, shiela I mean

Unless you're not being serious too

[agile tangle]

Hm I guess so

[timber silo]

wdym by this btw

[weak finch]

Kinda implies there may be something in Wano that is going to have a similar effect than the bell on Skypea

Though it's just random parallelism

[timber silo]

i see so something related with ryuma as well?

[weak finch]

maybe

[timber silo]

sadly. no. i thought there was as well until later

[shadow ruin]

Ihñ

[prime mural]

1041 is someone on SH side dying? Plenty of wins but not many losses. Bound to be one.

[twin widget]

a sh prob wonr die til towards the end

[ashen surge]

Doubts for anyone from the SH crew dying, Luffy and Robin at the end of the story are on my list.

[pine delta]

there is no chance any straw hat dies

theorizing has to acknowledge oda's writing style in addition to just the events of the story. the most i can see is like zoro losing an arm and then getting a cyborg arm

[muted ember]

What's going to happen with Zoro falling?

[pine delta]

i have a funny vision of franky building a flying machine to grab him out of the sky, we haven't seen him slap something together since the bridge in thriller bark and its high time the crew all show off their strengths

[split glacier]

The red Ponegylph

[primal cargo]

Don't think anyone's dying but tbh I think Luffy still has another loss coming. It's what happened in basically every arc that had a final 1v1. So that'll mitigate all the winning we've had so far

[pine delta]

We've already had luffy lose twice against kaido, a third time would narratively do nothing and is also just not possible

[split glacier]

So it's a Last Kaido Standing situation? Everyone in his crew is beaten/out of the battle but him and he beats Luffy? If Oda wants to end Wano this year then Kaido has to "lose" someway soon.

[pine delta]

kaido beating luffy rn means the story is extending another few years and would just be super odd to have the main character not beat a dude he's been fighting for irl years while his rivals beat their opponent of a similar level

to say nothing of all the parallels and declarations that would just be discarded

i think we're gonna get one more chapter of updates across the map and then finally put the spotlight back on luffy vs kaido where he busts out the technique he failed using last time

[primal cargo]

I understand you jumping at me but you're the one saying it wouldn't make sense.
Second "death" against Croc. Getting knocked off the Maxim. Running out if gas before having finished off Rob Lucci. Getting tricked into losing focus of Moria. Running out of haki before having beaten Doflamingo.
All of those things happened after every ally had won their respective 1v1s.

And when Luffy was everyone's last hope.
Didn't invalidate anything because Luffy came back and eventually won.

[pine delta]

well we already had that happen when he got knocked off the island...

[primal cargo]

Plus, Kaido has not achieved enough to fall now. Villains that had a plan always achieved almost all of their plan before going down.

[primal cargo]

That was before the winning streak started. Hence the feeling of "too much winning" that started this conversation

[split glacier]

There isn't enough time for Luffy to lose again, recover and magically win

[slate mirage]

How is it extending for another few years? It's just for a few chapter max

[pure raven]

he can "lose" without "losing"

as in Kaidou can almost win - Onigashima on top of the capital, Luffy used all the resources he had

without Luffy losing. Which then is concluded with Luffy coming up with something new and winning

3 chapters is way more than enough for that

[primal cargo]

When you look at the rest of One Piece the final fight always takes a good chunk of the arc

[slate mirage]

I cant believe that Luffy is at this point stronger or a strong as Kaido yet. Now they are just having fun,but the fight will get serious soon,and Luffy will be on the losing (and maybe even lose for a while) and then find a way to overcome him .

[split glacier]

In a 1 on 1 fight bet on Kaido. Luffy would've been dead eons ago if they met on some lone island lol

Better hope Zunisha slaps the hell outta Kaido

[primal cargo]

I'm certain there is a deeper reason for Kaido to move Onigashima, that we've yet to learn. That will obviously be revealed before he loses, so I think Luffy has to go out for a while still, for Kaido to advance to the final stage of whatever he's doing

Can happen in 1 chapter tbh

[slate mirage]

I feel like we could get bits of his backstory while them fighting,then defeats Luffy and Kaido gets full backstory (at least 2 chapter hopefully)

And then Luffy comes back

[hoary hatch]

Kaido literally took over the island by decapitating his now useless ally. His plans are as close to completion as they can be before it is too late to stop him.

[primal cargo]

I don't think they are, we don't even know what his plans are. He's not moving Onigashima to the capital just to look good.

[pine delta]

luckily theres been a whole cast of characters all fighting kaido

[split glacier]

Kaido just waiting for Zunesha

[primal cargo]

I mean a 1v1 against Zunesha is still a 1v1 lol
Zunesha is a creature

[split glacier]

Not waiting to fight him. Zunesha is the key/catalyst for future events Kaido already knows about

[primal cargo]

Ah I wanted to talk about this !
So from the way Momonosuke talks to Yamato in 1040, it sounds like he must urgently tell Yamato about Zunesha's arrival. That makes me think that he himself just learned about it.
If he had known from his conversation with Zunesha back on Zou, he surely would have told people about it much earlier.
Seeing how Zunesha has apparently told him some crazy secrets, I find it hard to believe that it wouldn't have mentioned that it was about to go to Wano to accomplish a great prophecy, especially to Momo who is at the center of all this.
Therefore I think Zunesha wasn't planning to come to Wano until very recently. That would support theories that it was actually called, either by Momo or (my preferred option) by Tama with her order

[raw laurel]

Depends on how it plays out

[muted ember]

I got Luffy losing again too

Bc he needs help and that's part of the story. It makes the most sense to highlight this against the person whose themed around individual strength

[stuck sundial]

Snail Snail fruit, gives the user the psychic abilities of the Den Den Mushi as well as the other abilities of the dials

[hoary hatch]

Kaido has declared his plan quite clearly. Turn Wano into a pirate base and pump out the guns he needs to start a world war. He no longer needs Orochi as an ally so he took his forces under his own command as well. If this goes on any further, he will massacre anyone in Wano who could resist him and then start the war. obs they need to stip him now.

[primal cargo]

If you believe Kaido's plan can be taken at face value and there's nothing more to Wano than good geography and good workforce, that's fair and I can't stop you (though my initial point still stands)
But I personally can't imagine there isn't something we don't know yet about Kaido's plans. I agree with the overall goal of waging the great war, but to me there has to be more to Wano than what we've been told.

There are a lot of questions that aren't answered by what we know of the "New Onigashima project". Why did he build his castle on Onigashima ? Why is he moving Onigashima ? And why did he lurk behind Orochi for 20 years ? As well as how is this related to the opening of Wano's borders, etc

[modest skiff]

Same thought here @primal cargo . It is worth noting that Wano's weapons are considered top notch, but there's no way that's all there is to it.

The importance of opening Wano pre-joyboy is a good indicator there's something big going on

[ashen surge]

Wano’s weapons are not top notch, it’s just real estate and personel capital

[modest skiff]

Examples of legendary swords produced in Wano include the O Wazamono Swords Ame no Habakiri, Enma, Wado Ichimonji, Nidai Kitetsu, and Shusui (the country's national treasure). According to Basil Hawkins, Seastone originated from Wano Country and is also the only place where it can be processed into any type of weapon.

The Wano Country is the world's foremost in smithing and metallurgy, having produced both several superior artisans and craftsmen such as the legendary swordsmiths Kotetsu,[25] Shimotsuki Kozaburo, and Tenguyama Hitetsu. The former ruling Kozuki Family invented the indestructible Poneglyphs during the Void Century.[26] Weapons produced in Wano are of high quality, as the World Government have secretly imported the Marines' weapon supply from Wano.[27] According to Law, the Beast Pirates' monopoly of Wano Country's supply of high-quality weapons is what ensured Kaidou's domination in the New World.
https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Wano_Country @ashen surge

[sand sail]

Wano's weapons are top notch

That's why it's currently the greatest hub of weapons trade in the underworld

[ashen surge]

Seastone technology is not scare, it just originated in wano

[sand sail]

Really, the fact that not only has it been able to defend itself from the government for hundreds of years alone, but that it's fueled Kaido's rise to power for decades now should say plenty as to the tactical advantage of Wano and their weapon making

Seastone technology is incredibly scarce

[modest skiff]

read the rest of that keturin

[ashen surge]

Yet the WG can coat their ships with it to cross calm belt. It’s literally not tech, it’s just raw materials.

[sand sail]

They have the greatest scientific mind of all time on their side figuring out how to do those things

[ashen surge]

Swordsmith knowledge hasn’t been present on the entire of Wano arc on kaidous side

[modest skiff]

Here's the part I am trying to encourage you to read Keturin:

Weapons produced in Wano are of high quality, as the World Government have secretly imported the Marines' weapon supply from Wano.

[ashen surge]

If WG is supplying them, then it’s not a local thing. Just real estate

Not a matter of local skill

[modest skiff]

I don't understand why you want this to not be true. It is written pretty clearly in the wiki

It is ok to have the wrong impression at first and then read something and say "oh ok"

[ashen surge]

Wiki is just fan analysis and fan analysis is usually wrong

[sand sail]

Sure, you can say this, no one's pointed to it specifically. Having said that, we have King with a special sword and Sasaki as well. On top of that, we've actually visually seen Wano's people working to make Kaido's weapons. They're not using swords much, that's fine. But they're crafting fantastic weaponry

[sand sail]

You misread this

[modest skiff]

You're not winning any arguments by saying "the wiki is wrong, I am clearly right"

[sand sail]

The World Government is being supplied by Wano

That is where they get their seastone, and that's where CP0 gets weapons for the Celestial dragons

[ashen surge]

Ok that’s fair

[pure raven]

[warm brook]

Mochi boat

[vestal orbit]

no idea where that post went but that's literally just an oc

[slim atlas]

Theory: ||The reason Hancock is the most beautiful woman in the world is due to her fruit. Just like other paremcias retaining the traits of their fruits. So if spandam, st Charles or Orochi ate the fruit, they’d be called the most handsome men in the world ||

[red comet]

will we ever see a dragon vs garp fight near the WG HQ?

[vale current]

Zunesha went after momo to have his order because it wants to act. It can be both the prophecy and to strike down WG's fleet like with Jack's fleet on zou

[raw laurel]

https://youtu.be/qWNp4P8gzm4

Dave does music English cover to paint.

It’s so amazing

[short folio]

Theres a theory going around that DFs affect your personality, for example how Kalifa changed after eating hers, or explains why somebody like Mr. 2 would join an organization like baroque works

or Sabo feels like a copy of ace personality wise

[slim atlas]

Ehhh. I’d get that they take on the traits of their fruits but the prev wielders is a stretch imo.

[short folio]

Not previous wielders, ace couldve been affected by his fruit too, hence the resemblance to Sabo

[slim atlas]

Explains why ace is hotheaded.That or his childhood has something to do with it. As for sabo, he seems like a more responsible ace

[short folio]

I feel like Sabo losing temper and picking a fight in reverie isnt something he normally would do

[slim atlas]

Anyone would lose their temper when it comes to the celestial dragons

[oblique onyx]

True

[abstract pond]

For me felt like Sabo has some anger issues. Maybe we can see more of him soon.

[pure raven]

Can Who's-who use Rokuogan, we know he is talented enough to modify 6 powers to his own style, if his fight against jimbei was longer maybe he would have used it, also if he can pull it off, can he pull off sai dai rin version?

P.S. We also know he was considered genius and rival to Rob lucci, now if we knew when lucci learned rokuogan we would have our answer (most likely), he seemed to have a limit pre TS but in my personal opinion i think he can pull it off at least 5 times in a row for normal and 2-3 for sai dai rin post TS, does that mean Who's-Who is potentially able to do the same?

[mossy rune]

That's what Alvida's fruit did to her basically

[solid badger]

It’s the DF’s powers that affect the user not their personality

Women*

Shinobu aged badly because her df rots. Alvida, I believe Oda wrote in an sbs that her fat “slipped” off

[amber oar]

it must have been a gross scene

[sinful helm]

isnt her fruit smooth smooth fruit? that doesnt make sense too have her fat slip?

[amber oar]

depends on translation, but slip-slip is more accurate to her powers

[steep lily]

someone theorized that zunesha sank the noah, which was supposed to carry the minks so now it carries them on its back as punishment

[stiff rapids]

its most likely just oda not having an explanation lol, dont think to much into it

[steep lily]

alvida just went on atkins and took up jogging

[fathom matrix]

That....that. That actually would make sense. She probably already would have been a beautiful woman anyways, but the fruit would have probably amplified her further.

Like, Alveda's fruit made her smooth yes, BUT all the fat slipped off her as well as her freckles. Luffy's stretchy but he's made out of rubber, and that cream cream fruit guy's permantly made out of cream.

[fathom matrix]

she does always talk about the looks of a mature woman

[fathom matrix]

I think it's just whatever is "harmful" or "negative" it slips of the body, and she can probably acitvate and deactivate it at all. Like, it probably didn't slip off all the fat, as it's important to retaining energy and provide protection, but just enough to avoid high colesterol, plugging up the arteries or slowing her down/causing joint pains.

Although, she was happy the way she was originally, I guess it's more like what her body, not her mind sees as "harmful" or "negative"

[raw laurel]

I don’t think that’s true

[modern mesa]

Im sama is real name is oda imagine

[odd viper]

i strongly believe it's sake
https://youtu.be/LLhzWDWHYYo

[modest skiff]

We discussed this theory in length previously. I think its a deeply bad theory with almost no backing. Please see conversation here: #manga-theories message

The core idea is that sake does nothing to bring about world peace but rather would be used AFTER world peace is established. Since we know the One Piece is assumed to be a threat to the CDs, it is unlikely the celebration would be the threat, since that would come AFTER the CDs are defeated.

Counter argument to my counter argument: Perhaps the One Piece just motivates someone to live a life such that they end up defeating the CDs and then they celebrate after that

[gentle lily]

So while I dont agree with Artur's interpretation to get to the sake/huge party theory, theres another theory that was posted last year that imo has more credibility: https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/ncbszg/one_peace_my_mega_theory_covering_just_about/

[modest skiff]

I’ll read that tomorrow and post my thoughts. Sleepy atm. Thanks @gentle lily

[gentle lily]

for sure, its a really long read

[heady scroll]

Honestly I don't have a theory but laws fruit and anyone who previously was a user of it could've changed so much to the story the absolute limits to the possibilities the fruit could've changed is high, he can switch peopels bodies, he can take their hearts, he can do alot more than most fruits can do

[torpid mist]

Law's awakening is a bit too deus ex machina i think. Seems like he could just pull out X room and do whatever the fuck oda wants at this point

It needs rules, hopefully clarified in a OBS or better in the manga itself

[heady scroll]

Fr it's very broken but I wonder too about that eternal life his fruit can bring, what if his fruit isn't the only one with a special unique ability like that? For example big moms fruit is literally all about souls and the previous owner was someone who sold kids to become marines to the world government so we can assume the fruit is of high importance to the world governments side but big mom is not someone you can just take it from but anyways what I'm saying is what if she can revive someone but taking the souls of the dead? But who knows I'm just spitballin

[raw laurel]

The red poneglyp is in wano it’s somewhere else and drake will help us find it

https://www.reddit.com/r/WildAnimeTheories/comments/stpkvf/the_poneglyph_isnt_in_wano/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[lean pine]

We already saw it didn't we

[raw laurel]

No, I explained it in the theory. We found 2 but both of them are regular ones not red ones

[agile tangle]

I think you should post the theory here, you might get pinned

Like in general, not that theory particularly I mean

[agile tangle]

I remember people being disappointed with the theory even tho they appreciated the effort put into it

[nimble wagon]

break this week?

[copper frost]

Not a channel to ask that, try #manga or #also-manga next time but yes, there's a break this week

[nimble wagon]

My bad

thnx

[heady scroll]

One piece theory shanks is xebec but deaged with bonneys fruits

[radiant light]

Mhh xbec is uglyy

[uncut delta]

We can't trust Oda's shadow portraits at this point, Xebec could be as hot as King for all we know

[plucky kiln]

Theory:
While the main focus is on Wano rn, I think BB might head for either WCI or Elbaf

WCI would only be important for the poneglyh and BMs ressources

Elbaf might be more plot related rn

BB coming to wano though would bomb a lot things, and its not to be excluded, even if he only appears at the end

Strategically it makes sense for BB to gain power while using the wano circumstances and to expand his territory by taking over BM

But it has to be big. whatever BB does, it has to be big

his actions in the past always were very important and huge. expanding territory doesnt seem to be that cool like invading impel down etc.

[sinful helm]

He probably only sent a commander him moving would trigger the marines

[pale laurel]

If we assume that Blackbeard's goal is to go to Laugh Tale he needs to step up his poneglyph game. I think that with the help of the invisibility fruit that he might read BM and Kaido's poneglyphs off-screen. BB doesn't have to go himself

but he still needs Robin, the voice of all things or a three-eyed person to read them

[next prawn]

BB WILL KILL KAIDO!!!

So Currently BB Has The Strongest Paramecia [WB's Devil Fruit],
The Strongest Logia [His DF].

He Has 3 Heads In His Flag, So I Think Hes Hunting For The Strongest 3 Devil Fruits.

Who Has The Strongest Zoan?,
Kaido!

I Think That After Luffy Vs Kaido,
BB Will Come And Finish Kaido Off And Take His DF Powers!

[split glacier]

Is Kaido's DF really the strongest Zoan tho. Kaido is the strongest and he has the Mythical Fish-Dragon fruit or w/e. I feel his strength is more battle and Oni related rather than the fruit. The fruit is a great but maybe there's a unknown one? I think some equate Kaido being the strongest because of his fruit

[warm saffron]

I think he’s set his sight on the mera mera at the moment

If he wanted to go for the strongest fruits, people like one of big moms children(the one with the book fruit), Bartolommeo, akainu and other like them would already be dead

[primal cargo]

I don't think it's something so simple tbh. We're always making theories based on what we've seen before, but One Piece is always unexpected

[warm saffron]

Zunesha is probably the strongest zoom devil fruit
Unless kaido awakens his zoan devil fruit....

[warm saffron]

Well...
Yeah....
But it’s always fun, apparently someone accidentally predicted the ending, and oda is still keeping it the same as he planned it

[abstract pond]

Phoenix fruit could be considered as good as Kaido's. Unless the fruit it's what gives Kaido that almost invulnerability

[carmine cradle]

Zunesha is not a devil fruit user based on what we know since it walks on the sea

[split glacier]

Yamato be tanking just like Kaido. It seems more oni related but Kaidos DF is top tier.

[warm saffron]

...so it was just a normal elephant
I was a bit mixed on that one

[carmine cradle]

Also it is only expected that Kaido has awakened his df as a yonkou

[abstract pond]

The sea affects only when it's over your waist or close to that. Zunesha is covered only to the knees

[warm saffron]

I read that statement wrong
Thought you said for some reason that kaido was the only one who awakened his powers in the yonko

[abstract pond]

We don't know if Blackbeard is the final villain. It could be Imu

[carmine cradle]

Bucanero, do you mind telling me where you got that info, I could be wrong and it is super specific, like it has to be a certain height over your body

[amber oar]

Sanjuan Wolf does, though it's pretty tiring for him

Could be that having to walk in the sea while also being a df user is part of the punishment

[warm saffron]

Zunesha is just an elephant

[abstract pond]

I'm not saying the opposite, just pointing put the sea weakness

[primal cargo]

It's just that the more submerged you are, the less energy you have. It's by no means impossible to move around while partially submerged, as shown many times in the story

[dark palm]

!water

[lone hedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/180728779365154816/545828296559034390/unknown-9.png

[abstract pond]

It was a sbs iirc. Tryig to find it now but I'm walking on the street so it could take a while xd

[dark palm]

I just summoned the command

[carmine cradle]

thanks for the info, I could be wrong and this is a good argument for Zunesha possibly being a df user

[shadow ruin]

!goda

[lone hedge]

https://imgur.com/VBoMNCk

[dark palm]

here's what zunesha looks like underwater (inspired by those picasso elephant paintings)

[tired osprey]

keyword, "it gets easier" unlike rain that has no effect at all.
meaning if zunesha had a df, walking around in the ocean does have an effect on her, could she really be walking around for centuries in the ocean then?

[dark palm]

sanjuan wolf is another example of a devil fruit user who walks around in the ocean yet remains functional

[tired osprey]

yet he doesnt like it, and he didnt walk around for centuries

[abstract pond]

I mean, if it's a punishment for a great sin, it doesn't have to be easy.

[primal cargo]

Of course she could. There's no shortage of feats like that in One Piece

[tired osprey]

question would rather be if it would be feasible

[primal cargo]

You're not supposed to survive an hour in boiling oil either

[warm saffron]

So, according to the official thingie, zunesha is just an elephant who can talk

[tired osprey]

difference is oden was in agony, and it was visible. there is no sign that walking around in the ocean for centuries even have any effect on zunesha

[carmine cradle]

yeah the official wiki will not help in this case because it hasn't even been questioned in the manga whether Zunesha is a df user or not

[primal cargo]

That's nitpicking. I don't personally expect Zunesha to be a DF user but the water argument is not a good one

[tired osprey]

its a bit of a nitpicking yeah, but I think its worth bringing it up

[abstract pond]

The question should be, if you eat a zoan and remain in animal form you get the lifespan of the animal or the human? Because Zunesha is 1000 years old

[carmine cradle]

The thing is we don't know what's Zunesha's df, and regardless it would be useless for Zunesha to have a df because the source you sent above states that df users cannot use their powers in water so it's not even a matter of walking difficulty

[abstract pond]

We don't even know if Zunesha has a devill fruit

[carmine cradle]

yeah I know, that was the discussion

[tired osprey]

choppers lifespan increased, but i sincerely doubt other humans who ate a zoan had their lifespan decreased because of their animal living shorter

[warm saffron]

I would speculate that it’s elephant elephant, nataime norida type

[primal cargo]

Water does not deactivate DF powers, as far as we know it only takes away the person's strength. See Arlong Park when Luffy underwater was still rubber

[abstract pond]

You can't use the df powers only if you are submerged in water. If you are not fully in water you can use the powers. Like Luffy vs Hody.

And it's more a matter of being "out of energy" while in the water.

[warm saffron]

Does haki lose power when in water?

[primal cargo]

no

[warm saffron]

Cause I always thought, that, if luffy uses haki in the water, he would be able to move without feeling weak, but, I saw those scenes from fishman island that said something different, showing him flinch when he did moves like elephant gun underwater, or elephant Gatling

[primal cargo]

What ? Haki doesn't protect you from the sea

Luffy had a large portion of his body in water, so he was losing a proportionate amount of his strength

[warm saffron]

Eh, it was an old thought from back when I was just at the start of the timeskip

[carmine cradle]

@primal cargo @abstract pond thanks for correcting me, I suppose it is still possible for Zunesha to be a df user

[muted ember]

Oda actually gave Zunesha's species a name in SBS I think it's Norida elephant, so if it is a df user I doubt that's what made it an elephant

The implication is that it's a real animal in the OP world and Zunesha is just one of them

[weak plaza]

Can someone give me some tip theory of what happen with Sabo ?

1. Oda said someone in the story would die again.
2. Could it be Sabo capture in some important place along with that mermaid princess ancient weapon or die already ?
3. could it be someone in straw hat die ?
4. or could it be law sacrifice himself to save someone that die ?
5. Could it be dragon Luffy father would die or his unknown mother ?

[muted ember]

I think Garp will die

[pine delta]

Oda wouldn’t introduce sabio just to kill him

I think the incident was cobra being killed and sabo framed

[weak plaza]

Ah I forget that too. So which one would die ?

Could it also be red hairs shank ?

[muted ember]

I don't want him to but he probably will

[weak plaza]

I’m staying alive just to see this story ending

Really

[weak plaza]

Ping me pls if anybody got a clue on this

[untold hazel]

Shanks will dies to blackbeard

[sweet inlet]

Can I know the opinions of everyone about the theory of Blackbeard getting another df and if you do believe in it what df do you think he would get?

[sweet inlet]

Never related so hard to message before in my life

[agile tangle]

Interesting

[digital epoch]

Does anyone get the feeling that Law's DF had something to do with the creation of all the others? Like, we've seen a lot of techniques that he can where he just replicates other DF powers, either aesthetically or functionally. Amputate=Chop-Chop, Personality Switch= Love-Love, Counter Shock= goro-goro, Curtain= Barrier-Barrier fruit, R-ROOM= Calm-Calm Fruit, and the lengthening of his sword using the KROOM reminds me of Miss Doublefinger's toge-toge fruit. So I believe that either someone in the past used this fruit to implant the first DF powers into people/fruit, or that this fruit was somehow created using knowledge gleaned from research of other DFs. Either way would explain the fruit's "ultimate devil fruit" title.

[vestal orbit]

not really honestly

lots of fruits have similar abilities and/or capabilities, doesn't mean that they're related

ice and snow

kilos and tons

spring gum mochi

[ashen surge]

The personality switch thing was something I'd hope Oda's editor would've scrapped

But this is also in hindsight of Law's powers

[pine delta]

to counter point this, these are more straight upgrades over another fruit. law's fruit is replicating MANY other fruits which is not seen elsewhere in the story.

[vestal orbit]

fair, but that's just a result of the operation fruit and an awakening

mochi could be argued to do the same- stretches like luffy, sticky like trebol, moldable like morley, etc

[pine delta]

i agree with you, i think its just a operation fruit, but it is worth noting how its functionality is so much more diverse than any other fruit AND has been specifically singled out as important by WG

[soft shoal]

Does anyone have a theory about the 4tg road poneglif

[vestal orbit]

eh, makes sense but personally think the eternal youth surgery and the wide range of abilities that the blanket term of operation covers is enough to explain everything

fruits like bullet's (which is admittedly noncanon) and shiki's are pretty versatile as well, used properly

[hoary hatch]

A lot of people assume that Shanks has the 4th Road Poneglyph. It makes sense in a way, since Roger obviously found all of them and having been on Roger's crew, Shanks would be in a position to know where these are located. Shanks would need a motivation though to do this. He has not shown any ambition to go for the One Piece and we don't even know if he would need the poneglyphs to do that. Sure, he could have just taken it for safekeeping, but as far as theories go, this one is a bit lacking. On the other hand... IIRC, the last Poneglyph was supposed to be at the Fishman island. Since Fishman island was part of Whitebeard's territory for decades, his crew would also be in a position to take the poneglyph. Particularly, his crewman Blackbeard who was waiting for a chance to betray his captain and go forwards with his ambitious plan. ...But again, it is uncertain if BB wants the One Piece. He certainly wants to rule the seas and make "his era" but he has not said much about One Piece itself.

[soft shoal]

I personally think that the 4th road poneglyph is related to the straw hat, and maybe shanks. Since roger was one of the ones who wore the straw hat it could have a secret message with it or something

[pine delta]

i think shanks has the 4th ponyglyph, hes on elbaf with it, davy black fight with luffy over the road poneglyph printings

[weak plaza]

[twin widget]

if he does it’s probably gonna be a mythical zoan

[ocean lotus]

I think chopper is gonna wake his fruit and he is gonna destroy the whole world

[pure raven]

Zoro died?

[rose sundial]

I mean his fruit has a power of a human so yeah its a mystery most likely he will

[shrewd dune]

theory was getting kaido after luffy defeats him, hopefully not such a kill stealer lol

[sweet inlet]

Would be annoying if after all this time Luffy isn’t even the one to defeat Kaido

[mint hemlock]

Imagine Blackbeard gets the slow slow fruit from foxy

[hoary lynx]

On god

[untold hazel]

Really interesting shit imo

First off. I don't care what anyone says. I was first to call Zunisha coming to Wano. Even said that Zunisha will die here in Wano due to helping in the fight against Kaido. But that's just points in a bigger picture for my theory.

The reason: Why is Zunisha in the state that he's in? He's cursed as he himself had stated in the past. But what was the reason for it? Back then as I still do now, I have deep convo's with LA about theories. He eventually came to the theory of Joy Boy and Doe/Doh Boy that he and Panda put out. While I maintained my thought that Zunisha is Oda's take on Cain from the biblical story of Cain and Abel.

For those who don't know. Cain killed his brother Abel and as an act of divine punishment from God. Cain was cursed to wander the world and not be able to rest/die and all his descendants by blood association to him also carry the curse. See what I'm getting at?

The Oda twist here is, Zunisha who was cursed for killing his brother Joy Boy will have his curse lifted by either Joy Boy's descendant be it by blood or title, or by 1 a descendant of 1 of the 12 houses of D that severed as lords of Joy Boy.
Luffy = Joy Boy
Momo = Descendant of 1 of the 12 D clans/houses.
The end of my theory stats that Zunish aids in the fight with Kaido. Kaido falls after the fight where Wano wound up destroyed. As a reward for his help and services to the alliance and people. Luffy and Momo lift the curse on him thus allowing Zunisha to finally rest in peace. In his death the broken lands of Wano then surround the dead body and form a new Wano.
this is not my theory credit goes to @Gon D. Great from one piece community server

[sand sail]

First off. I don't care what anyone says. I was first to call Zunisha coming to Wano.

Literally everyone thought Zunesha would go to Wano, Momonosuke stays behind at Zou just to talk to it and promised to come later. Some people thought that was even how the Minks in general would end up joining the raid

For the theory, I feel like it'll be something that thwarted Joyboy but wasn't as far as like killing him. Personally, I've always liked the thought that Zunesha would either catch/drag Onigashima and die from it, or else would die and add Zou to the land of Wano as a new part of the country

[vapid minnow]

I like that last part, would make sense

[muted ember]

I like Zou being added to Wano but I don't want Zunesha to die lol

[sand sail]

Could even be as simple as Zunesha's crime was an inability to accomplish something, and not just an accident or betrayal or anything

Whatever it is has to be connected to Joyboy being unable to bring Noah to the surface with Poseidon back then

[muted ember]

Maybe Momo can just learn how to make his own flame clouds and move it

[sand sail]

Well the clouds aren't the problem, he's using Kaido's right now

He's just not all that strong with manipulating them yet it looks like

[muted ember]

I'm saying to move Zou later

[pure raven]

Zunesha's crime could've prevented Joyboy from fulfilling his promise to the fishpeople

[sand sail]

It has to have, I'm sure

[pure raven]

yeah it's a way to connect those two

[vapid minnow]

I don’t think Zunesha betrayed Joyboy

I am thinking Imu gave Zunesha the punishment as an ultimatum

[near osprey]

Curious if we'll see someone betray Luffy and if so who'd it be

[vale current]

Interesting. Following Cain and Abel story, what would be the "motive" for Zunesha to slay his companion Joyboy? I think, Joyboy was related to Devil Fruits somehow, Zunesha could've lusted after such things, ended up hating Joyboy and then slaughtered him. Would make sense if Zunesha has/is a Devil Fruit.

[abstract pond]

Zunesha is an elephant and it's not even confirmed if it has any devil fruit

[vale current]

Could be that the DFs were given or had its existence revealed by someone (god play) and Joyboy probably had a special DF that Zunesha lusted after for some reason or this was the reason it hated Joyboy bc like Cain, Zunesha felt forsaken. Ofc this off the Cain and Abel story

[pure raven]

Just found this online
Both the shandoras worship altar and kings throne kinda looks similar

[vale current]

It does look equal lol now that's creepy

[neat agate]

@next prawn yo theory

how long

[next prawn]

One Piece : Future Theory

I Am Going To Speculate The Next Final Arcs Of One Piece!

First Of All After Wano, Chances Are We Will Get A Post Wano Arc which will explain:

Reverie
Sabo
Shanks
BB

Then The Final Saga Will Begin Which Most Likely Will Be Called

The Pirate King Saga

Arc 1: Elbaf

PlotPoints- Ussop PowerUp
giants Story
BB Makes A Move
4th Poneglyph in elbaf

Next Arc Is Basically The Result Of What Happens In Reverie
(Eg: sabo rescue or smth like that)

Then, The Main Story i Want to tell are the last 2 arcs: Laugh Tale And The WG War!

I Think That At The Start Of The LT Arc, Luffy Vs shanks will happen and luffy will win. Thus, After Defeating The Keeper Of Laugh Tale, Luffy Will reach the island thats when BB appears AND ITS FLASHBACK TIME!!!!

BB's Story And The True History Will Be Told In This Flashback Periods And A Final Clash Happens Between Luffy And BB, Gear 6 will be unlocked and BB Is Defeated. However, Luffy And His Crew Has Fainted...Bad Luck Occurs And The Marines Have Arrived!! Luffy, Unconscious Has Been Captured And Sentenced To Execution! What Happens Next? Find Out Tommorow In One Piece : The Future Theory

@neat agate

[neat agate]

nice

but last part won't happen

will luffy and bb fight in laugh tale then marines can't come

[next prawn]

The Final war will most likely summon FUCKING EVERYONE Luffy Has Met Cuz Of The Words Mihawk Said "that boy has the most dangerour power, he can make everyone his ally"

[next prawn]

Well Why Not? We Know That The WG Is Targeting Luffy And Also BB! If Both Are At The Same Place Better Yet Tired, Why Wouldn't They Go?

[shadow ruin]

Shanks.

[gray creek]

Absolutely not

[unborn onyx]

There's a theory that croc is a woman

[gaunt karma]

i wonder if luffy's ability will not work as well when he is older

because being rubber there's only so much you can bend and squeeze and stretch at a certain point when it's been stretched too much for too long wouldn't it become old and not as malleable as new rubber?

i was thinking about it because of a scene ||cake island part where luffy is in a cage and he tries to outstretch himself and rip his arms off and you can see at a certain point it starts to tear after being stretch a lot||

[reef sandal]

since he trained the stretch distance when he was young that would imply he could maintain his current stretch distance with upkeep

[ionic drift]

Old Man Luffy accidentally stretches too much and his arm snaps off

Whoops

[modest skiff]

@gaunt karma @ionic drift lets not discuss light hearted silly ideas in this channel please. This channel is intended for theory discussion

[edgy viper]

Interesting, just yesterday @primal cargo and me pondered the idea

An important detail: In the biblical story it's extremely ambigous if Cain actually killed his brother. The Hebrew translation goes like this: "Then Cain took his brother Abel out to a field, spoke to him and Abel died".

The crime that earned Cain banishment was not killing his brother but rather lying to God when the guy asked if he knew where Abel is

So if Zunesha is in fact based on Cain, it would make sense for Zunesha's crime to be somethinf more ambigous than cold-blooded murder

[pure raven]

Who tf is cain and abel

[short folio]

You remember king his name is Abel

On a real note though I think zunesha is responsible for sinking the Noah and making joyboy unable to fulfill his promise to the fishman

[blissful canopy]

BROOOO that would make sense

[edgy viper]

They're the first two sons of Adam and Eve in the bibilical creation myth (Genesis)
Later they have a third son, Seth, who is the ancestor to all the historical figures we know (Noah, Abraham, Moses, these guys)

[primal cargo]

The Noah doesn't look very sunk to me. It's on the ocean floor because it was always meant to bring the fishmen from there to the surface

[warm saffron]

Well, the only people left in the crew that haven’t betrayed(this includes the movies) are chopper, franky, brook and jimbei

[pure raven]

Luffy is getting his eye chop this arc kaido ain’t gonna go down without cost that is why oda said pay atetion to luffy hope I can draw well

[twin widget]

eyepatch luffy gonna look sick

[safe snow]

But will he look as sick as Afro Luffy??

[twin widget]

Nothing ever will

[real cairn]

eyepatch luffy gon be dope

but it looks like a pretty intense design for a shonen protag

[twin widget]

I mean not really oda drew eyepatch luffy before in a note or sbs

[real cairn]

oh thats cool

[next prawn]

Who deleted my theory

[clear kraken]

Luffy versus big mom is still a fight that needs to happen

[shadow ruin]

No

[hoary hatch]

There is no neee for Luffy to fight Big Mom. Some foes can be beaten by his allies.

[gaunt karma]

I was being serious idk about gaba tho

[pine delta]

pirate king saga sounds DOPE

ill be crying every chapter knowing how we close to th ened

[vivid forge]

Sort of a theory and not. Which member of the strawhats has the most difficult dream to achieve?

[sand sail]

Objectively, Luffy

[pure raven]

Depends on the means to achieve Chopper's (Roger was PK but didn't get to heal lmao), and what needs to be done for the All Blue

[vivid forge]

Personally i think it's choppers since there are dozens of diseases (and since they can mutate and resist older counter viruses) it's most likely that he can help many but not everyone

[sand sail]

Realistically, there's no way for Chopper to ever actually get his dream, but if there's a way to do it in One Piece it's probably easier than the way Luffy's decided to go about becoming the Pirate King tbh

[tacit veldt]

I think it's Robin's. So far It seems to perfectly coincide with Luffy's dream, but i bet to uncover the complete history they'll have to actively take action against the WG, so It seems like It could be a step further than "just" finding Laugh Tale

[sand sail]

For him, it'd be a matter of finding some rare herb or combination of medicines or therapies to do something like that, so long as nothing is extinct or lost forever otherwise it'd probably be a matter of just time spent searching

[grizzled fog]

uncovering the history will probably be what leads them to taking action

[pure raven]

perhaps, and to get the true history one has to go to Laugh Tale AND get the Rio Poneglyphs, so it's added onto Luffy's

[tacit veldt]

Also Nami's dream seems like a lifelong endeavor that isn't finished just by going to Laugh Tale

[vivid forge]

That would also make nami's dream harder since she wants to draw a world map. (Including raftel)

[sand sail]

To uncover the history won't take any action against the government unless they're hoarding Rio glyphs themselves, but that's also assuming Roger gathering them there didn't just keep the secret open for whoever comes next too

[pure raven]

yeah Nami's too, another one that adds onto Luffy's dream, it's Luffy's dream plus a lot more work

[tacit veldt]

Yeah. Plenty of tough seas to travel in the OP world, even for the navigator that reached the last island that has to be a big challenge

[sand sail]

Nami's dream seems like it shouldn't be much of a dream, but she also shouldn't be able to do it with Luffy since they're not visiting every island

But also mapping Laugh Tale may not be possible

[tacit veldt]

Also since she never fuckin draws, she also has to get over her own laziness, adding yet another layer of difficulty lmao

[pure raven]

so yeah, more difficult
Robin's, Nami's - need Luffy's dream and add ons

candidates:
Chopper's - depending on how he achieves it
Sanji's - depending on how All Blue is achieved
Jinbe's - it's a generational problem, seems harder to tackle, but it depends too

[vivid forge]

Yea jinbe's aswell

[tacit veldt]

Oh man Jinbe's dream, shit. Ending racism seems like quite harder to achieve than finding a hidden island

[sand sail]

Jinbe's problem is going to be the hardest, I take it back

Getting rid of inherent racism is more difficult than the rest

[tacit veldt]

Yeah Jinbe's definitely the hardest one

[vivid forge]

Sanji's might be sooner or later discovered depending on how oda feels like it

[pure raven]

yeah Sanji's could also be Luffy's with an add on, or it could be something way easier

[sand sail]

Nami shouldn't be able to map Laugh Tale, she may achieve her dream regardless of it. If it could be mapped like that, I feel like there wouldn't be 4 poneglyphs needed to point to its location

[pure raven]

she should be able to describe its location and have it on the map - like Roger's crew

so to map the world one needs that information

[vivid forge]

Yea i agree

[sand sail]

Sure, where it should be. If it's a regular island, then yeah she'd be able to

If there's some variable in play that makes it so the poneglyphs are a hard requirement to get it, then Nami wouldn't be able to map it that easily, just give a general location

[pure raven]

even if it isn't a regular island, there is a point in the world where it is available

and that is part of the world that isn't in regular maps - part of her dream

[sand sail]

Sure, which isn't always static for islands

That's the problem, if Laugh Tale takes some kind of trick or gimmick to actually get to besides knowing some coordinates, it can't really be mapped. It literally is impossible to map if it happens to be like Zunesha at all and is at all mobile

I don't think it will be, but that's a possibility that has to be considered given how difficult it is to get to

[vale current]

Makes sense. If you think of betrayal, look at Zunesha's eyes that are eerily similar to Im-sama's eyes. Kinda a stretch tho

[pure raven]

even if that's the case, there are 4 points in the world that lead to Laugh Tale. Even if those points move, those points move with a rule - that is in Poneglyphs, so Nami should be able to draw the trajectory of Laugh Tale - which is part of the world and isn't in maps - her dream

[sand sail]

Then she can't map Laugh Tale, she can only map where it might be. So her dream can't actually finish either way

[pure raven]

no, she'd map exactly where the entrance is
and when it is reached, she can map it too

[sand sail]

It's basically coming down to she'd be translating the poneglyphs for people to use without having to read it at that point

[sand sail]

If it moves, she can't

[pure raven]

yeah that's a map

[sand sail]

She'd only be able to show maybe an area where it may be at some point in time, not a static location

[pure raven]

she can have the trajectory and a map of the contents

same for Zunesha if Zunesha had an established trajectory

[sand sail]

It basically can't be exact in this scenario, she'd only be able to pin down "it's somewhere here in the world"

Oh, like charting out the actual island of Laugh Tale? sure

[pure raven]

she can tell exactly where to enter it, and that's part of the world

[sand sail]

Yeh but that's being a bit too pedantic with the dream

"Part of the world" doesn't really cut it, she wants to map the whole thing

That feels like kind of settling for not being able to accomplish that

[pure raven]

so she needs to map where the entrance to Laugh Tale is - which requires the Poneglyphs

[sand sail]

Yes, which would require the poneglyphs

[pure raven]

and then she has to map the place itself, which requires going there

[sand sail]

Yep, and mapping its actual location?

[pure raven]

so Nami's dream requires to reach Laugh Tale and add ons, making it harder than Luffy's

(if there isn't another crazy dream on top of that one)

[sand sail]

Not really, Luffy's going out of his way to fight everyone he can on the way there

Because of the way he's deciding to go about it, his dream's much, much harder. Nami could sneak around and just steal these things, her biggest obstacle is she can't actually read the poneglyphs

In fact, that was actually their plan, Luffy and Zoro were the ones who were only open to waging war