manga-theories

[arctic wave]

like if the slaves formed wano then who created the glyphs

[keen light]

Them right cause they were in that era, if they built redline then they have exp each other what to develop for themeselves that only them understands??? My english kinda broken

[vestal orbit]

don't think it makes sense at all but the time fruit being responsible for the void century is a really fun concept

[arctic wave]

yeah

gotta give him credit for that

[keen light]

Hmmm

[gray creek]

Why does sending slaves ahead make it so there wasn’t history for all of the regular people? The void century exists because the people in power suppress the knowledge. Even if the only thing they wanted to coverup is the existence of those slaves, the fact that they later reappears and made their own country would mean that Wano should hold the true history

[keen light]

True history where they put in phoneglyphs

My thoughts are still in pieces about this one haha

Idk man, i just thought it with no preparations haha

But time fruit got to have something to do with void century, gotta be

[gray creek]

It is the most recent time that the fruit changed owners. That’s likely the extent of it

[keen light]

Ok another late night theory, what if the fruit theyre talking about is Brook's DF? I mean brook had it for 50 years and it doesnt make a century, but maybe it wasnt discovered in a long time until brook had it, making it not known within gorosei? There might be potential that the ressurection fruit is dangerous too

[gray creek]

Keep in mind, what the gorosei said was that a fruit hadn’t awakened in centuries, not that it hasn’t been around

[strong birch]

during marine fold arc it was told that Shank's crew clashed with Kaido's crew and they came to marine fold without much of a damage then that means that kaido and shanks are of same level that means currently Luffy is fight a man which is same as shanks in the power....

[abstract pond]

Pyramids weren't build by slave labor

[primal cargo]

They also said it's a legend to them. I think they haven't seen any trace of it, but they would know if it had been awakened

[gray creek]

Kaido and King went alone. And we have no idea how serious the fight was

[crystal quiver]

so most likely tamas?

[primal cargo]

That's what I think yeah

[strong birch]

still, crew came to marine fold in 'one piece' and they clashed i.e. if 2 pirates clash they don't just sit on a table and eat grapes and throw the branches at each other. I am just saying that Luffy is kind of fighting the same person as Shanks

[strong birch]

i watched anime so i don't know if it was told who went but wtf only 2 of them

[crystal quiver]

i think the clash was morgan stirring things up again, it was most likely kaido not bothering to fight shanks' crew by himself and king. we know he cares about his commanders when he tells jack not to think he is weak fighting the sulong minks

[gray creek]

We didn’t see what happened so we shouldn’t rely on it much. Also it’s not the channel for powerscaling

Yeah, the latest vivre cards revealed it was just those two

[keen light]

They both fly so make sense if they both gone to Marineford quickly

How did shanks supposed to stopped them while they in midair tho

Some ittoryu iai technique some sort haha

And yassops hisatsu shits

[quartz lava]

Do you think the raid will end up in failure?

[acoustic kettle]

No.

[rich sonnet]

What if void century was caused by Pudding's devil fruit (Memo-Memo no Mi) by previous user?

[keen light]

Maybe maybe, or maybe pudding's race

Pudding literally is the memory wiper from MiB

[pine delta]

Maybe the old race were god type figures and from their dna devil fruits were made, which combined their dna to grant a fraction of their power

With giants being their descendants

[ripe geyser]

Who or what do we think the reaper is

[pure raven]

I love this theory. It makes a lot of sense and honestly.. this owuld make the most sense for big mom to continue being important in the story. If she is not truly defeated here and is still being an enemy, she has to still feel a threat and this will work (know people going to disagree with that) but yeah, I can see that happening a lot

and it makes sense for kaido to fear that. I mean, he would at least fear that for a split second and that is all Big Mom needs.

[ripe geyser]

Big mom awakening the ancient oni giant by taking Kaido’s soul??

Oh dear god that would be an absolute catastrophe

How in the world would a homie like that even be stoppable

From the looks of it Luffy, Zoro, Sanji, Kid and Law are all gonna be too exhausted to fight after their battles

[young rivet]

admirlas swoop in and handle it

[grizzled fog]

I mean it’d be massive, but it’s also just a skull. It doesn’t have arms or anything

[young rivet]

thats an option or just another faction in general other than that idk how else they could handle that

[grizzled fog]

Zunisha would probably do the trick

[keen light]

I have a theory.
Zoro is the one who is lost in this story, he was not supposed to be in OP. So the reaper came at the perfect place and time to take him back to Soul Society to command the 13th Squad

[young rivet]

well 1038 was basically a bleach chapter so i see it

[granite jacinth]

[slender fulcrum]

No, what they implied is that a specific fruit was roaming the world, and had a precise awakening, it was a legendary fruit that got a very special awakening.

Since they never witnessed this awakening, they thought it was a legend.

However, something did happen in wano and that fruit awakened, the gurusei then realised that this fruit was not a legend and was hidden behind another name, that they did not knew at all.

They heard tales about fruit A but never encountered it so fruit A was a legend, until fruit X happened to make the exact same thing the legend said fruit A would do. So fruit X is in fact, fruit A under another name

Few fruits in wano are not awakened.

Huge chances are that its either

Brook,
Momo,
Luffy

And that something happened off screen.

[stiff patrol]

Aight ok, this is a stretch. But I’m rewatching from the start and in baratie don krieg calls luffy a “damn monkey” and luffy even refers to himself as a monkey. This further brings in proof to the sunwukong theory’s as luffy even thinks of himself as a monkey

[mighty narwhal]

only problem is

the rubbery type of power wouldnt really make sense? unless thats just the case so the wg can use that as a perfect excuse for the sake of the plot making more sense

[stiff patrol]

Wouldn’t be momo because it’s an artificial fruit, wouldn’t make sense to be brook and would be anticlimactic. Oda knows what he is doing and how readers wil react

[stiff patrol]

Sunwukongs staff stretches, just like luffy. And it would be an increadibly luffy thing to do to only ever use 1 part of his power and never think there is more, cause he just wouldn’t think past what shanks told him that it was the gomu gomu no mi

[slender fulcrum]

Truth is, if the TRUE name of the fruit was hidden, its because its awakening couldn't be clearly matched with its original capacity, or else, changing its name would be useless

[mighty narwhal]

That is a good response i cant lie, then i guess that also explains how luffys gear 4s look so extravogant

[mighty narwhal]

oh ye

[stiff patrol]

Yeah, lemme go get the actual theory up it’s pretty good. It’s bassicly to do with luffys awakening actually being a monkey like sunwukong

[mighty narwhal]

ye i just faintly recall someone making some similarity in how luffys gear 4 looks, and how some fan art oda made of some street fighter luffy had fire unlike the street fighter idk if they were claiming him to be sunwukong tho

[reef sandal]

so he ate the sunwukong's staf sunwukong's staff fruit?

[slender fulcrum]

There is also the yakuza guy saying Luffy looked like a divinity in his gear 4th appearance.

[stiff patrol]

Yeah because luffy had fire for hair, and no one has ever questioned why luffy has been able to use fire in his red rock attack

[reef sandal]

i've seen the theory, i just don't think it makes any sense
especially from a writing perspective

[slender fulcrum]

no, he ate a legendary Zoan that give the power of stretch because sun wukong can stretch. its a very specific DF that gives you the basic power of sun wukong but not his innate animal strength and characteristic unless you awaken it. That's why changing its name would be perfect because no one would never guess the gum gum fruit would be a zoan

[mighty narwhal]

ye, and hes fosho not a lunarian

[stiff patrol]

Even if his fruit doesn’t have anything related to sunwukong, it has to be the fruit spoken about with another name. Like why was this fruit so heavily guarded and who’s who even imprissoned and tortured for losing it to an increadibly strong pirate? Furthermore why did shanks go out of his way, a man who loves peace and has no use for devil fruits, to get a devil fruit?

[reef sandal]

sun wukong can't stretch tho

[stiff patrol]

Staff

[slender fulcrum]

yeah I meant it's on the " tool " of the character

[mighty narwhal]

well hype for chapter 1038

[reef sandal]

why can he not fly on a cloud or pull out hairs to duplicate himself tho?
why would he just gain the power of sunwukong's weapon that wasn't even originally his?

[stiff patrol]

Exactly, like it won’t directly be stated to do with sunwukong obviously but I believe it will have a lot of influence, especially with other powers

[slender fulcrum]

But the truth is, as I said, is that masking the real name of the fruit to hide its awakening potential is only possible if the basic ability of the fruit are completely different than its awakening, or else its pointless

It'd be like saying " desert desert fruit was renamed to sand sand fruit "

[mighty narwhal]

Wait u guys reckon lunarians have anything big to do with void war with those ancient kingdoms

[reef sandal]

i would say so, since the wg has a bounty on their heads

[mighty narwhal]

ye and didnt the ancient kingdoms have stuff to do with moons or am i buggin like they came from them with great technology?

[reef sandal]

we don't really know about the ancient kingdoms but the skypieans are from the moon
they also have wings

[mighty narwhal]

yeah and lunarian sound like a moon typa name, and their past with how they were regarded with the title as "gods"

[slender fulcrum]

Lune is the name for moon in french, Lunaria is probably related to the moon.
It's possible that Lunarian where a specie that lived on the moon but were hunted by the " space pirate " ( later known as Celestial Dragons ) and exiled themselves on the One Piece world and lived there for a time until those Celestial Dragons came for them again and wiped them out

[mighty narwhal]

Sounds like a very good theory, i mean i got no doubt that celestial dragons and some form of unmentioned history/events with the celestial dragons got stuff to do with it

[heady parrot]

the fact that this theory doesn’t even know kaidos df is model azure dragon makes it less credible

[slender fulcrum]

its because it was written way before

The guy just updated it with the recent pic

The more I think about it, the more I think its Luffy, something happened of Screen VS Kaido and Oda forbid us to saw it right now.

1- The fruit was taken by the WG , then stolen. ( I'm betting Im Sama KNOWS what fruit it is and asked the gum gum fruit to be secured fast )
2- Lots of talk about joy boy and such in the onigashima arc
3- Kaido collect Zoan fruit user and Mythical Zoan fruit.

Imagine his face when he realises that an unknown Mythical Zoan stands before him

[neon shoal]

Wait is raizo on fire?

[swift plume]

no he's on water

[neon shoal]

I see he on fire then

[swift plume]

mb no casual discussion here

[neon shoal]

Alright

[vale current]

Really neat theory. There's also a talk that there must be a way to defeat kaido that could be his natural opponent idk

[pure raven]

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/rswyhm/theory_i_think_that_joyboy_has_been_in_plain/

I can see oda doing this, tbh

[proper hemlock]

bonney is luffys mom

[fathom matrix]

The son wukong thing I can understand cause there's a lot of budism mythology in one piece, Luffy's always affiliated with the theme of monkeys, Oda said Luffy could stratch 72 gomu gomu, which is the number of forms Wukong has, but that's mainly an idea/reference.

What I think it is, is that Luffy just has a rubber paramecia. cause remember, Luffy wasn't effected by lightning, because he was insulated via his rubber. So he has the stretch aspect of fair, and Luffy can generate fire like son wukong.

I think he's just gonna have a new gear or somethingw where he resembles son wukong or something.

[modest skiff]

72 gomu/forms is the only acceptable piece of evidence I’ve seen in favor of the sun wukong theory

[vale current]

You think this sun wukong is the key to defeat kaido? Bc it's unlikely Kaido be beaten by sheer power

[fathom matrix]

nah nah nah, we just had Luffy master Ryou and coc haki, a new gear would be a bit much for this arc

[vale current]

Yeah

I'd say sun wukong must be like manifested before a worthy foe

[vale current]

Kinda stretched bit also Sun wukong journey looking for some writings/ luffy journey looking for poneglifs

[pure raven]

i dont think oda wants to give luffy the typical shonen protagonist has a special lineage or has a secret power inside them or tropes like that

it would ruin luffys character and everything hes been through in the story to just say " uhhh yeah he has this god power devil fruit that he uses to beat one of hte strongest characters ever"

[modest skiff]

The thing that made me wonder this (more so that Oars had the gomu) was that Oars used Luffy's attacks whereas Ryuma used his own attacks. If a shadow just gives a body life, such as when Brook's gave Ryuma life, Oars should have been using his own attacks, such as gomu gomu gattling. So that is why I assumed Oars was the previous gomu user when I watched thriller bark. But then when Sabo used Ace's attacks, I started to wonder if people naturally pick up attacks from the previous user or if Sabo just knew a lot about Ace's fighting style. But since Luffy had no idea how to use his fruit when he got it, I think it strongly supports the idea that Oars had the gomu fruit. I don't think that means Oars or Luffy are Joyboy, but I do think Oars was the previous Gomu user

[vale current]

Interesting. Thriller bark had many foreshadows, then it be luffy's shadow being the shadow of the previous gomu user. But why this hint/foreshadow for? The giant straw hat belonged to a giant/oars?

[modest skiff]

I don’t think the shadow is the previous user. I’m saying I think a shadow just gives a corpse life. When Oars used Gomu attacks, they were the attacks he used when he was alive

[pure raven]

Yeah, I am not sure if Oars is joy boy but this theory made me realize that Oars battle may have foreshadowed quite a lot about the gomu gomu no mi and being called the "continent puller" is an interesting title in the world of one piece

[modest skiff]

I think Luffy and Oars just so happened to come up with the same ideas

Yeah Oars would be great at pulling if he had the Gomu. Ancient giant reaching across the ocean and pulling islands would be a great method of forming Wano. It explains why each island has a very unique climate. It fits with the theory that Wano is a representation of the former AK alliance

[vale current]

I mean being the shadow symbolically, a shadow of the past

[reef sandal]

ryuma didn't use samurai swordfighting tho, he used fencing

the corpse gets the fighting style from the shadow

[modest skiff]

so it is the personality of the corpse but fighting style of the shadow?

[reef sandal]

the corpse also has the personality of the shadow, just memory loss and loyalty bent towards moria

saw that with oars
and with sanji's corpse thing

and zoro's corpse thing

and with lola

oh also sanji's corpse thing did kickfighting and zoro's corpse thing used santoryu

also same voice actors with slightly altered character voices in the anime

[vale current]

Oars failed gomu attacks made him confused only bc it was impossible right

[reef sandal]

until moria did the shadow stretch thing yeah

read the original theory and the whole thing's basically riding on this sentence which we have no reason to believe would be the case

oh also this paragraph ig

so like
cool idea
but not really possible imo

[vale current]

Yeah you cleared it a bit. Just overthinking then.
Now what about kaido nuances in thriller arc

[reef sandal]

wdym

[vale current]

Another subject. On moria harboring hatred for kaido

[reef sandal]

ok but what is there to theorize, we know that moria got crushed and lost his crew when he made a raid attempt at kaido in wano

[vale current]

Moria been to wano, fought Kaido and survived. Isn't for this Moria had to be nearly as strong?

[modest skiff]

That appears to be the case at that time yea

[reef sandal]

he also presumable had a strong crew

also with shadows asgard mans gets beefy

[ancient vault]

1. it was a weaker kaido than the current kaido
2. it was said kaido killed his entire crew so its possible moria just got absolutely shit on

[night jewel]

Moria was said to be capable of going toe to toe with Kaido in the past, so no chance he got absolutely shat on or w/e

[junior cape]

I imagine what it came down to with Moria is he managed to get his crew close to Kaido, buff up on shadows, then duked it out until his crew died in the sunlight, at which Kaido kicked his ass out of Wano.

Now hes just a washed up fatty with an inferiority complex

[wicked glen]

i think the last island laugh tale is empty

[muted ember]

Same

[muted ember]

They have the personality of the corpse. Powerful shadows keep their original personality for a short while until Moriah's power fully takes over

[sinful helm]

was it said he went toe too toe with kaido? or only he faced kaido

bcs lets be honest he aint good enough from what we saw too fight kaido

[primal cargo]

There is abundant evidence of the opposite throughout Thriller Bark. The bodies are empty shells with nothing but physical strength, everything else is the shadow.

[muted ember]

I was wrong here then

[plush pike]

The Wano Kuni arc is finally moving towards its climax as well!! I’ve been looking forwards to drawing Wano Kuni a lot, so I’m psyched! And once it’s over, things are going to be grim. Sabo will…!! Vivi will…!! Hancock will…!! AAAAAAAA…!!!```

Anyone got any thoughts on this after latest chapter? Literal grim reaper shows up and I'm not so sure that if Oda planned that since Jump Festa 2020 (which took place December 2019) that it's a small deal, if this thing with Zoro is what he's talking about.

[dark palm]

I think Oda's implication of sacrifices there relates less to a literal reaper coming in and demanding something and more to the ever rising tension of the story

I really have no clue what this is though so I can't make any definitive statements

[sturdy hawk]

I think the literal grim reaper showing up is something he has had in the back of his mind since Arlong Park seeing the line from Zoro

[split hornet]

Grim reapers are after souls and not to kill people so it's interesting

But yeah bringing the king of hell to the afterlife is not that handy lol

[plush pike]

In some mythologies the purpose of the scythe is to sever the soul from the corpse of a recently diseased individual.

Essentially "harvesting the soul" like you would harvest wheat.

I'm honestly worried that it's just going to be a "Zoro is on the brink of death" moment

But if it has been planned for so long, maybe not.

[split hornet]

Yeah true, it might be that Zoros body is dead

If that makes sense

[plush pike]

Yeah like he's dead but still tethered to the mortal plane by sheer willpower or something

[split hornet]

"He comes for every person, hourglass in hand, waiting for the last grain of sand to fall. When it does, he collects the soul with a well-practiced cut of his razor-sharp blade."

[plush pike]

Idk where that is from but yeah

[split hornet]

Could lead to asura, what many are saying

[dark palm]

I feel like that's a surface level connection

also, exactly how would Ashura play a part here?

[split hornet]

Not sure but since it's a spirit

[muted ember]

I think somebody has to die in Wano tbh

[primal cargo]

Zoro in the past has already been able to do things that were visibly supernatural, the most notable of which has been becoming an Ashura-like figure with three heads and nine arms.
So it's not out of the question that the grim reaper could be the same phenomenon

[inland wave]

or it could be brook 2.0, do we still know if brook has his df. it could be the last member of cp0,

[plush pike]

Yeah we do, the ghost thing he does is part of his devil fruit's abilities.

[inland wave]

i only see bones

[slender fulcrum]

It can also be hallucination from the med...

[ancient vault]

where did u get this from?

[muted ember]

The source is at the bottom of the post it's an Oda interview from Jump Festa 2020 (December 2019)

[weary chasm]

anyone think bonney is related to big mom

[slender fulcrum]

If the grim reaper is real, maybe there will be a deal... Like Brook will pull Zoro's spirit from the death realm on a condition that Zoro's will come back to death when his goal wil be reached

But its possible the grim part is related to what's happening outside of wano. Like they won, they are happy, but they'll learn that some of their nakama suffered , are dead, or lost something precious, as the WG is unleashing its new machine on rebel kingdoms, and the battlefield is mainly between BB / WG / Shanks / Warlords / RA

Moreover, what is interesting is that the marine was told by Akainu to NOT interfere with wano and did not dispatch ships there. The ships in question are send by the government and the gurusei so something is going on.

[primal cargo]

I don't understand what you're saying. What's the connection between Zoro's grim reaper and anything in the outside world ?

[slender fulcrum]

Those two line of thought are not connected. The second part is refering to what Oda said :

The Wano Kuni arc is finally moving towards its climax as well!! I’ve been looking forwards to drawing Wano Kuni a lot, so I’m psyched! And once it’s over, things are going to be grim. Sabo will…!! Vivi will…!! Hancock will…!! AAAAAAAA…!!!

Read the text I quote for better understanding 😉

[primal cargo]

Right. Well it's pretty clear he's talking about the outside world

[fading sierra]

What if the reaper is one of morias crewmates

[primal cargo]

I just saw the theory that the reason Momo's fruit is a failure is because Vegapunk was trying to recreate Oni lineage factors, rather than dragon. Pretty good idea I think !
They go on to say that SSG could be an army of Oni/Ancient giants. The World Government is said to have been researching gigantification for centuries, and they probably retrieved Little Oars Jr.'s body.

[ancient vault]

I doubt that considering he already created artificial dragons

[lost pilot]

speaking of oars / oars jr, do you think there is a Hito Hito no mi: model ancient giant? or model lunarian? they're all derived from the same genetic family so its not impossible to say they could have fruits, though it is definitely unlikely

[kind frigate]

I think the grim reaper has something to do with the goat doctor

[pure raven]

very interesting theory. My interpretation is different:

Paramecia power | awakenings:

• Doffy's: creates string | turns other things into string.

• Katakuri's: creates mochi | turns other things into mochi.

• Kid's: controls magnetism | gives other things magnetic properties.

• Law's: creates a Room | gives other things (his sword) the properties of Room.

**Law's power creates an intangible Room that he can expand

Anaesthesia is an intangible sword that Law can expand at will.**

so now he only controls the sword, meaning he can do more accurate, exact, precise operations

this with hindsight from 1038 of course

[primal cargo]

Yes, this version has become the better one with 1038. Even before, people had pointed out that my version didn't really explain how he gets his sword to pass through Big Mom's skin, while it is explained if he "turns his sword into a Room" rather than "assign a Room to it"

[pure raven]

even then, it's cool to see the Paramecia awakenings are pretty similar

which could in turn mean that the awakening is what really divides the different classes of DF. So Logia awakenings would not be about turning other things into their element

and this would be the real reason for why Katakuri is not a logia

[slate mirage]

So basically, Luffy should turn other things to rubber? As simple as that? (Obviously,assuming it really is a rubber rubber fruit)

[pure raven]

#manga-theories message

I think so

[primal cargo]

Now that you mention it ? I was wondering earlier about why Oda had to make Katakuri a Paramecia when clearly he was gonna give him all the properties of Logia anyway. That could be it ?

[pure raven]

I think it's a good bet to make!!

[lost pilot]

katakuri is special paramecia because oda realized he broke his own rules since logias have to be based on natural elements in the world (fire, light, etc), or at least thats how its been portrayed

[primal cargo]

That's true, maybe it's just that

Depends on Zoan Awakening and whether or not there's something connecting them with Paramecias I guess

[pure raven]

well the Jailer Beasts don't sound very Paramecia Awakening to me

[lost pilot]

yeah i was just gonna say

[pure raven]

why not both

[lost pilot]

at this point, until we really get some concrete facts from Oda about awakening, its all purely speculation unfortunately

[pure raven]

that's what we're here for

[lost pilot]

eh true

[agile tangle]

What is the strength of the your coc is dependent on how strong your ambition is?

The only flaw with this would be shanks as he doesn't seem to have any clear motive yet

[primal cargo]

That's strongly implied yes I think. At least that's what's going on in my headcannon

[agile tangle]

Headcanon is speculation right?

[primal cargo]

Yeah it's what you consider to be true in your mind but hasn't been confirmed by the author

[agile tangle]

So the only thing I can think of is that shanks does have a very ambitious goal just not a kingly one which doesn't make much sense tho

[agile tangle]

I see

[primal cargo]

We really don't know shit about Shanks. We don't know why he became an Emperor of the sea either. I'd say the two should be connected

The fact that he has CoC means he's got "the ambition of a king" already

[agile tangle]

Therefore I believe that coc is something everyone can achieve but it's all dependent on how strong your ambition is

[pure raven]

Fukurokuju has the mimi mimi no mi (ear ear fruit)

Fukurokuju's fighting style is the Mimitabu Cracker (earlobe cracker), where he **controls the movement of his earlobes. **

He was also the one to hear Orochi before anyone else.

[primal cargo]

Imagine eating a Devil Fruit and it's this

[slate mirage]

Doesnt Enel also have long ears?

[pure raven]

does he control them?

[lost pilot]

fukurokuju is enels dad confirm

[pure raven]

notice how Oda didn't show one of his ears here, it's bc it was expanded to hear better

[slate mirage]

Maybe he trained his ear lobes

[pure raven]

maybe, but this is a theory

[fathom matrix]

I still wonder what the hell happened to his head. I know he's based off the actual Fukurokaju in mythology, but in story, what happened from him having a normal head to that?

[pure raven]

too much thinking

[slate mirage]

Isn't he from the long head tribe,like strawberry?

[fathom matrix]

I bet Oda will say stress.

Like stress made his head grow long

[primal cargo]

He had an almost normal sized head in Oden's flashback

[fathom matrix]

yeah, he had a normal head

[slate mirage]

Well, strawberry's grows every time he gets sad,so maybe fukurokujo's head started growing later

[lost pilot]

what do you think the (former) Shichibukai will do after wano? there has to be a reason it showed the dissolution during wano act 2, so what will they do either during the end of arc recap or the next arc?
Hancock: I dont see Hancock doing much after Wano besides dealing with the koby situation, but i have a feeling she'll try to ally with Luffy at some point, especially since Luffy will basically have Yonko status after Wano and allying with Luffy could help protect amazon lily since she doesnt have the protection of the WG anymore
Buggy: Buggy will prob just be buggy, though i would like if he shows up to elbaf because it would funny to see him in the land of giants
Mihawk: he obv isnt doing anything super big until the final battle, besides maybe just showing some feats of strength to gauge his power
Kuma: Idk what kuma could do because hes a slave rn
Weevil: Weevil is mostly unknown rn, so its hard to say what he could do, but we'll probably get some elaboration on his mom and see if she was really part of the rocks crew (and if so, get some more rocks info) and maybe we'll have a fight between weevil and marco at laugh tale

and this isnt even touching on the ones who lost the status before dissolution, because there's tons of stuff moria and croc could get up to since what they've been doing since Marineford has been so vague.

[pale laurel]

I think that the development with the warlord system being abandoned foreshadows what will happen in the next arc somehow

[primal cargo]

I like to think Hancock got matched with Fujitora and got what was coming to her the whole time she relied on her looks to get by
"The reason they chose us was for our strength" my ass her two strongest warriors got handled by Luffy pre-TS with handicaps

[cyan berry]

?

Hancock is still decently strong

[pure raven]

she is strong tho. But I like that idea of Fuji not being able to see her.

One of her strongest had adv CoA, Luffy is just built differently

[cyan berry]

She one shot multiple Pacifistas, the same Pacifistas that Luffy's entire crew struggled with Pre TS

and I dont really think a bunch of mindless robots care about beauty

[primal cargo]

She certainly is strong, I don't think she ever beats an admiral though.

[pure raven]

I'm pretty sure Boa is awakened

[cyan berry]

who said she does?

[pure raven]

that was the theory

[cyan berry]

ah whoops

my bad

[pure raven]

but your response made sense too, she doesn't just rely on looks

it's most of what she expects tho, and that's why fighting Fujitora would be poetic justice

[primal cargo]

One of the (real) warlords should get captured at least or it'll just be embarrassing. I think Hancock is the best candidate as the other two we haven't really seen what they can do

[pure raven]

Mihawk will get captured to save Boa and then he leaves the prison no problem bc he kept his small blade inside his mouth..

This is a summary of one of my wildest theories. Maybe some day I will write a big thing for this channel

[pale laurel]

I would guess that Boa might give up and hand herself over to the marines in case they were threatening the Amazon Lilly citizens. By being captured she might meet her former slave owners again and there can be some drama along those lines

[cyan berry]

nah they'd probably imprison him with his necklace knife if Croc is any indication

[primal cargo]

What do you mean by this btw

[pure raven]

yeah that's the one I mean

[cyan berry]

ah

misread

thought you said "with a small blade he keeps in his mouth"

[pure raven]

yeah I think he would at least try to hide it idk

But using the necklace knife with his mouth while in chains bc he saw Zoro do it would be wholesome

[pure raven]

hm I think so bc she can turn stuff that is not people into stone. But maybe that's just me going above and beyond reason

[lost pilot]

jinbei says that he hadnt ever met hancock before the summit war, so its safe to say that most of them arent very close with each other, if at all. but it would be cool to see mihawk locked up in level 6 and see him just effortlessly escape to finally see some more cool moments from him

[pure raven]

eh yeah but I think... 👉👈... that Mihawk is Rayleigh's son, so he has a closer relationship with Boa, as close as Mihawk can get to someone.

[reef sandal]

i thought rayleigh wasn't close to boa

[cyan berry]

in strength?

because we already know that Rayleigh is pretty close with Hancock and her sisters

[pale laurel]

it does not seem to me that Rayleigh and Boa have any special kind of relationship. They are just both average Luffy enjoyers

[pure raven]

wot? my dude, I'm afraid you... I'm afraid you're tripping 😭

[cyan berry]

ah thanks stoop

[pure raven]

that part with the depart is 597 iirc

jeez, 597 it is

[pale laurel]

I see, I was mistaken

[primal cargo]

Bruh you're saying Mihawk saves Hancock because his (alledged by you) father has known her for 2 years and you call someone else tripping

[pure raven]

And Mihawk would have a relationship with Boa if he was Ray's son bc, 15 years ago:

[pure raven]

15 years, man

[primal cargo]

Alright I give

Still trippin though

[pure raven]

tho 15 years ago Mihawk would already be an adult and already the WSS.

it's not like they'd be childhood friends

[digital epoch]

I wonder what's gonna happen with Perona? I remember seeing Mihawk go like "Yo, leave now" but where will she end up? I can see her either
A) Trying to go back to Thriller Bark and joining up with the Lola Pirates (probably in a cover story)
or B) Going to the new world and acting as an excuse for the audience to find out what exactly is going on with Moria and Blackbeard and his crew

[lost pilot]

well lola is already joined with the fire tank pirates because she married one of beges men in the last cover story, so probably the latter. I saw a very interesting theory where moria is forced to join the blackbeards since he obviously loses, and perona meets up with him and acts as a spy to find out secret info for the straw hats in exchange for freeing moria.

[digital epoch]

Oooh, a sort of double agent thing

[red anvil]

Uranus was constructed approximately 800 years before the Oro Jackson. Being an egg of something means Oro Jackson has to come before Uranus which is wrong timeline wise.

[runic osprey]

I think they all will get caught except for weevil mihawk and buggy

[inland wave]

which egg

[urban adder]

the egg on oro jacson in the flash back of roger

[muted ember]

She's going to end up in Wano somehow I feel like she has some relation to Otoko

And there's 2 more weeks at least left in the Wano timeline

[pliant tundra]

I really think that this is toki

[loud kettle]

nah let her rest in peace

[muted ember]

I think Hiyori got the time fruit

[grim harness]

When will Momonosuke’s adult form be revealed?

[muted ember]

When he cuts Kaido with Ame

[patent summit]

I can see adult momo sitting on kaido like oden did with ashura doji

[open plinth]

From what i have heard, most probably by 1040 {SOURCE NOT CREDIBLE}

[olive musk]

from where? i wanna know the source too

[open plinth]

somewhere on reddit, thats why, not credible source.

[olive musk]

oh

[subtle holly]

big mom wont die

[subtle holly]

is weevil really the son of whitebeard and is he really powerful

[open plinth]

About being the son of whitebeard, i dont think so he really was. As whitebeard considered his entire nakama to be a family, and did so much for ace, if he had a real son , who knows what he would do

[muted ember]

I think Marco is Whitebeard's son. I don't have any concrete evidence I just want to say it in case I'm right

[shut finch]

Based top tier theory

[junior cape]

I think one of the side effects of Zoro's drugs were hallucination shortly after consumption. It would explain the grim reaper in front of him, especially since Brook isn't around to do something like that, even if it weren't the worst possible time.

[muted ember]

Brook is around

[junior cape]

Yes, he's around, but currently he's near Yamato, in the basement area. Not outside rightbrain tower

[sour mango]

Is anybody else going to be joining the Strawhat pirates or do you think the main crew is complete? I have a feeling, someone from Wano will join the crew just like what happened when Roger visited the island long ago

[junior cape]

As many people will join as Oda needs to keep the story fresh

[sour mango]

it makes for great story symmetry/correlation to the past

[subtle holly]

nobody will join from wano

[sour mango]

any reason? or just a hunch? the crew does seem pretty complete to be fair

[subtle holly]

jinbei has joined recently so its going to be boring if anyone else joins at the same time

[junior cape]

Honestly, if anyone from Wano DOES join the crew, it kinda has to be Yamato. Of the remaining factions and significant players, all but Yamato have a defined external goal/fate. Drake will head back to the navy; Apoo will run for his life; Hawkins will likely be put on the run as well, while missing an arm; Marco and Izo will be leaving Wano most likely to return to their pirate retirement; the Big Mom pirates will probably be trying to save their captain from the government if she survives; The vassals (assuming they survive) will have to stay back and raise Momonosuke into a shogun, even more so now that he's physically 28 but mentally 8.; The Yakuza will be busy keeping the peace under new management; The Beast Pirates will be obliterated. That leaves Yamato free to do what they want.

But even then Yamato may stay behind, given the "guardian spirit" theme of their devil fruit.

As the Tower Card says, there WILL BE an upheaval of the established power structure, so anything could happen

[sour mango]

True, but what about this,... Momo joins the crew and Yamato becomes the Shogun whilst Momo grows and learns in the straw hat crew haha a bit far fetched but itd be cool if Luffy had some young people in his crew like Roger had shanks and buggy

[junior cape]

That is... not likely at all. It has already been well established that the ENTIRE POINT of the Kozuki saga in the New World has been to get Momo back as Shogun.

[pale laurel]

Momo has also grown up now

[junior cape]

From Momo's perspective, at least. He sees it as his destiny.

[sour mango]

yeah true... haha im just living out my fantasies haha

[muted ember]

Last time we saw Yamato it was just her and Fuga. So Brook would only have to go from B1 to outside which shouldn't take that long, considering CP0 was stalled and their in B1 now

[pale laurel]

but Momo might be important in the final stages of the story so he will either show up again or stay aboard the ship

[pure raven]

10/10

[muted ember]

I got Momo joining personally

[pure raven]

would be true to the spirit of oden

[junior cape]

We literally saw Yamato THIS CHAPTER. From what I remember from the map of the mansion, the entrance to the basement is smack in the middle of the place. And it hasn't been that long since Brook and Robin landed on the Ground Floor, they likely have not made it even close to outside. Furthermore, they have no reason to GO outside in that direction, since their goal currently is "Run from CP0".

[subtle holly]

Is anyone going to join the crew in the arc

[junior cape]

Kaido will have a change of heart and join them in their quest /s

And then Momonosuke will marry Big Mom in a political marriage. /S

[muted ember]

I mean when we saw her going to the basement Robin and Brook weren't there. They had 3 chapters to be somewhere else and they can literally go in any direction that's not toward CP0

[subtle holly]

and what was the girl saying cpo to wait about

[junior cape]

Yes but the time between chapters is no longer measured in 10's of minutes. Things have been happening fast, and not much time has passed. It took Yamato like 3 chapters to get down some stairs, meaning a LOT has happened in a short amount of time.

[sour mango]

I think they may just rock up randomly at the right place, Oda sometimes has the plot planned like that where a character is just in the right place and the right time. Reminds me of the little girl from water 7 who finds the hidden passageway undergroundd to catch up to Rob Lucci and Spandam. Seriously useful for the plot but it happens randomly.

[muted ember]

Enough time passed for CP0 to beat Drake and run into Izo on the next floor, and Brook and Robin have just been running that whole time so I don't see why they can't be outside

Also bc of the fire most everyone will have to either be outside or on the live floor

[junior cape]

Well, considering that Oda hasn't noted that they're either outside or on the live floor, I'm guessing they're still in the mansion, trying to put distance between themselves and CP0.

Because significant events like "Robin and Brook have escaped pursuit" would be something he would denote.

[muted ember]

We haven't seen them and he's not going to note where everyone is every chapter

[mint barn]

^

[junior cape]

I said SIGNIFICANT events. Them being on the run in the mansion isn't significant. Them ESCAPING the mansion, and thus giving CP0 the slip, is.

Especially now that Izo is keeping CP0 busy, giving them more time.

[sour mango]

my guess is that they will catch up to her but she won't be captured. They will use it as an opportunity to show how the straw hats have grown and protected themselves from government powers. Otherwise, it would just be a repeat of the story of Water 7 and Enies Lobby where Luffy had already saved her.

it would be a bit repetitive if she was captured again

[dry kindle]

Nicee

[muted ember]

They haven't escaped if they're still trapped on a floating island and still being chased, have they? They didn't slip them CP0 is just being slowed down

[slender fulcrum]

I don't see big mum dying though. But I see her becoming impotent and back to her children like status through a permanent Amnesia

[slender fulcrum]

Yeah and I think they'll soon receive a call " something unexpected happened, mission aborted " while fighting Izo and they'll just vanish

[urban adder]

maybe big mom pirates and marines will be caught up in a fight.

[pure raven]

What if devil fruit are basically just people from void century they all were powerful back then ? I donno but with the sound of it does seem like crazy but those people might have been turned into Devil fruit or maybe their Powers are definitely turned into the fruit

I don’t know who turned them or their powers into a fruit but probably imu I suppose or maybe someone from past generations of imu and celestial dragons

[warm saffron]

Most likely Yamato and otama, as luffy will probably have to fulfil ace’s promise to them

[warm saffron]

Then how come toki got a fruit from hundreds of years ago(I’m pretty sure it was 800 years ago)?

[pure raven]

It’s my theory I made it because people from void century seemed very different and powerful

[pure raven]

About this I’m confused aswell

[warm saffron]

Maybe it will be all explained in laugh tale

[pure raven]

Yessir

[warm saffron]

We just have to wait 2 more years for the answer

I wonder if, when devil fruit users die, the fruit can be extracted from their body as a full fruit, which would explain the mera mera no mi being completely shaped like it wasn’t even touched even though ace ate half of it, or how the clone clone fruit was able to be passed from one person to another
Maybe someone could get the time time fruit.....and maybe this time it would do the opposite, and send them back in time
Actually, what would the time time fruit look like awakened?

Maybe Blackbeard was able to get white beards fruit, because, a few minutes after he died, the fruit left his body, and Blackbeard covered Whitebeard in black tarp so no one could notice that something like this could happen

[acoustic gale]

But didn't someone notice that kinda stuff before with fruits

[primal cargo]

There's no question that Devil Fruits reincarnate as whole fruits when their user dies. Every single Devil Fruit we've seen on panel is assumed to have been eaten by other people before.
We also got to see it happen with Smiley on Punk Hazard, although it's not confirmed if every DF reincarnation happens exactly that way

[warm saffron]

Yeah
The idea of weapons eating fruits still need to be explained

[lost pilot]

i just thought he carried around a fruit tree with him so that the fruit could reincarnate onto the tree and he could eat it, but then the story kept talking about a special way that he took the devil fruit so i guess i was wrong

[lost pilot]

it'll prob be explained when we meet vegapunk eventually

[primal cargo]

Blackbeard explained that his gravity can attract Devil Fruit powers, maybe he actually pulled out the power from Whitebeard's body with that ?

[warm saffron]

Maybe, because we never saw ace’s devil fruit leave his body when he died

[primal cargo]

I don't think the mechanism of how Devil Fruits reincarnate is known to the public in the OP world ? So it shouldn't be something as simple as "nearest fruit turns into it"

[amber oar]

They're just stated to respawn "somewhere in the world"

[prime bluff]

Will of DEATH
D stands for no fear of DEATH

This is my theory

[ashen spindle]

Or Dominance perhaps. Which makes them “troublesome” for that reason as Rocks D. Xebec wanted to rule over the world just like Blackbeard wants to. But it doesn’t mean everyone want the same like in Luffy’s case it’s rather dominance over his own fate

[pure raven]

you are wrong the D stands for "Dereshi" the laught of Saul

[pliant tundra]

What if BB actually thought that yami yami fruit is the gomu gomu that's why he killed thatch and stole the fruit 😂

[pure raven]

No he knows the ability

He confirmed it

[gaunt karma]

that's what makes teach so dangerous

is how much he's thought about and has planned and knows stuff

[prime bluff]

Blackbeard said his df can cancel df power nullify them this also means
He somehow can Increase their power
Cancel them
Or have them

[fathom matrix]

since he's "absorbed" devil fruit powers, I wonder if he's absorbed enough of aces to release fire.

I don't mean he has fire powers in general, but he's got a certain amount of flames he can shoot. but he will run out

[gaunt karma]

i think there might be a limit on how he absorbs

cause he cant hold in forever and has to release physical stuff but since he can absorb metaphysical stuff does he have to release that?

[crisp fiber]

I'm not sure since I never read that part "has to" before.

[gaunt karma]

im assuming since he would release stuff right after sucking it up. I mean if you had the ability to absorb your enemies why would you release them unless you're not able to

it does seem like hes able to absorb properties and stuff that can effect his body and probably absorb and transfer stuff if so that's wild af

[pliant tundra]

It seems like BB came from the past since he knew which fruit are strong

[gaunt karma]

nah im pretty sure its mentioned of a book or something

of all the devil fruits and stuff

[primal cargo]

He said he had memorised the shape of the fruit from a book, so that he could recognize it on sight.
Still if we're assuming his taking WB's power had to do with the Yami-Yami fruit, we must also assume he knew more about that fruit than what was documented in books. Otherwise people wouldn't have been so surprised and he wouldn't have needed to hide what he was doing.

[pliant tundra]

If I were the head of the WG, I'll find and destroy that kind of book😅

[primal cargo]

Well we learned in 1037 that they have control over what the books say, so yeah kind of the same thing

[pliant tundra]

If that's the case then I assume that awakenings wasn't mentioned in the book

[slender fulcrum]

BB knows more than what it seems.
He knows what he can do with a fruit, he also know how to transfer fruit ability from one user to another.
That's why his crew got insane fruit, when you can choose and target them and dispatch those power as you like, its an asset that anyone with that knowledge could have done. I think he either managed to get his hands on Vegapunk research somehow ( laffite ? ) or its coming from his shady connexion with Xebec

[pliant tundra]

I still remember the scene when Luffy sensed multiple presences in BB before the skypiea arc

[pale laurel]

maybe Oda was just being super woke back in 2001 when he made Luffy and Zoro say, "it's not him. It's they"

[primal cargo]

Ah yes. Then he came up with the Amazons who don't know what love is because they don't have men

[flint pulsar]

So, not the longest theory but I believe there is a reason Franky is looking for Zoro, and I don't think it is a coincidence that it is Franky. Zoro is most probably facing death (literally), and Franky is supposed to help alleviate Zoros upcoming side-effects. One way will probably be to give him blood, as they are the same blood-type, namely XF.

[fresh galleon]

[primal cargo]

I'd be surprised. It's not like you can donate blood just like that, in the middle of a battle and without a doctor

[flint pulsar]

Well, our doctor is there and he is worried about Zoro. Oda-sensei might set-up something

[primal cargo]

Yeah but like he's not there, if we've got time for Chopper to arrive from the live floor, there's no reason for Franky to be the first one there

[flint pulsar]

Hmm, Franky can help in the meantime. But ur right, Chopper-san is not that close to them

[abstract pond]

It's more effective to manipulate it. If you destroy it, it will eventually come out again in the future.

[digital epoch]

Wano timeline?

[muted ember]

Yea

[abstract pond]

What is the Wano timeline?

[digital epoch]

What do you mean "Wano Timeline?"

[muted ember]

Hawkins said Luffy would be in Wano for a month, the raid is 2 weeks in, and Luffy told Tama he wouldn't leave Wano until it was a place where she can eat whenever she wants. So I said there's at least 2 weeks left of Wano in-story

[digital epoch]

Thank you for making this clear.

Hm... how much of the remaining Wano timeline do you think is gonna be taken up by the huge party that inevitably happens at the end of every One Piece arc

[abstract pond]

2 weeks

The raid ending the day they already in. Depends on what happens with the wg fleet

[primal cargo]

iirc he said "their chances of being alive 1 month from now are x%"
Not a direct statement that Wano will last one month, but a possible clue

Doesn't stop 75% of the community from shitting on anyone who thinks the raid isn't the end apparently tho

[muted ember]

In every other arc it's within a day except Alabasta maybe not sure

[abstract pond]

I feel like gyojin island was 2 or 3 days

[primal cargo]

Tbh it could very well be that Oda decided "one month" sounded better than "two weeks"

I don't think the post-battle party is going to threaten Luffy and Zoro's life either way

[abstract pond]

That month could be the the next arc or even the next after that

[muted ember]

Then why have Kinemon say 2 weeks a few chapters later?

The reason I don't think it's another arc is bc his prediction is in the context of confronting Kaido

[primal cargo]

What ? 2 weeks was the time until the raid

Hawkins didn't know there was a raid, he just made a prediction and it happened to be one month

[muted ember]

I'm saying if Oda just thought a month sounded better, he would have just made the timeline a month so Kin and Hawkins say the same thing

[primal cargo]

Look at it this way, Oda decided that there would be two weeks before the raid, then he decided that Hawkins would make the prediction. Having him say the exact timeline of the upcoming raid would have been a little strange, so he made it a month. If the fighting is over in two weeks, odds for survival won't change between the two times

[muted ember]

Why would it be strange when we know that making predictions is his thing? Also we didn't have the 2 week timeline yet so the reader wouldn't know he was right at that point anyway

[primal cargo]

Well for starters if he had said two weeks we wouldn't be arguing about whether or not Wano continues after the raid.
Secondly Hawkins isn't Madame Shirley. If he could be so precise with his predictions as to know when someone's odds for survival fluctuate, he would have predicted the raid, which he didn't. He only made the prediction for one month, the odds happened to be 19% because along that one month was the raid in two weeks.
I personally agree that Wano probably won't end with the raid, I'm just saying this one line isn't evidence of anything. There are many other reasons to believe so, this is just a clue on the side.

[stiff patrol]

Yeah uh it was shown in the anime that Hawkins meant drake….

[primal cargo]

No, this is from chapter 913 where Hawkins is directly addressing Luffy and Zoro

[stiff patrol]

Oh sorry thought you meant the 99% prediction

[pure raven]

Any theories about Luffys new form? I think it’s not coincidental that this year is the year of the tiger and a tiger just happens to be a Dragons enemy in some mythologies.

Not coincedental for the fight atleast lel

[pine delta]

That would be neat, although I don’t think a new form is the answer

[pure raven]

I can't see it being a tiger man, and I can't see how the year would have anything to do with it

Luffy has NO tiger attacks. Only one out of 3 of his Gear 4th forms are based on an animal

[vivid beacon]

I still believe in the theory that he will be able to turn his surroundings into rubber in gear 5th

[pure raven]

Luffy had no snake like attacks before snakeman so? Also Oda is known for symbolism so he could do that for symbolism.

[ivory nexus]

Whatever the new form will be most probably it will be related to fire

[gaunt karma]

Snake man for speed and bounce man for power

[gaunt karma]

Most definitely

[hollow grotto]

I feel that "Tigerman" would be a great combination of speed and offense, combining the two together - though that's a pretty popular thought

[pure raven]

You're completely WRONG.

He did have snake like attacks - **Python ** which is what the whole Snakeman form is based off. Culverin. Double Culverin.

Just like Tankman is based on the balloon attacks, Snakeman is based on the snake attacks.

[pure raven]

My bad

[gaunt karma]

Cobra too

[pure raven]

Well my stuff was merely a simple thought. We never know with Oda.

[ivory nexus]

Didn't Luffy has a attack named Leo bazuka which is clearly related to the lion

[gaunt karma]

And anaconda lmao

[pure raven]

what are you talking about

Luffy has an anaconda

[ivory nexus]

Under his pants

[gaunt karma]

Luffy twerking

[pure raven]

!theories

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using #manga-theories for any joke theories you may have. This channel is strictly for serious discussion on the realm of possibilities one truly believes in, and can explain in a manner that conveys why. Please consider this a general warning.

[pure raven]

Uptight but ok. Was a simple joke

Anyways, I think the next gear fourth will be related to fire

[gaunt karma]

I thought he did say anaconda for one of his attacks tho or at least a couple snake based attacks

[pure raven]

Luffy has a UFO mode so. Alien luffy soon

[gaunt karma]

Nah prob just a goof mode tho cause zoro said be serious

[pure raven]

Luffy has been using a lot of RED attacks.

Tama saying he looked like Ace.

Ace promising he'd fuck Kaidou up.

[gaunt karma]

I wonder what will happen to Kaido because we all know he gonna be beat

[pure raven]

Luffy has many types of attacks so I don’t think that matters. Some ppl said he resembles roger etc doesn’t mean he will be roger. Also Luffy has a fuck ton of Weapon based attacks.

[gaunt karma]

Do you think kaido will die cause how would they even imprison him?

[gaunt karma]

Luffy inherits the will of all the most toughest people and will keep his word in accomplishing all those wills

[pure raven]

From a strategic standpoint pov from the SHs. Kaido NEEDs to be captured or killed off or else he will cause trouble for the SHs etc. SHs needed a huge alliance to be able to stand a chance and him hunting them down after will not be a good thought.

[gaunt karma]

Kaido needs to go down cause he is the weakest yonko and first step for Luffy to beating all yonkos

Do you think kaido is based off of Genghis khan?

I’ve been researching and I’ve seen no’s but seem pretty similar in looks and actions

[pure raven]

Huh weakest yonko?

Kaido is probably the pinnacle of strengths in One piece

The SHs needed a huge alliance to take him down

[twin osprey]

Joke right

[stiff patrol]

aight bruh what drugs you been smoking today

[stiff patrol]

.......... why would he be based off of genghis khan......

[gaunt karma]

||well Kaido is weaker than big mom that she had to give him a devil fruit just to be equal somewhat PLUS he can be damaged with extreme haki ability like oden once did. and he'd be based off of Genghis khan cause Oda references real people in his characters all the time||

[stiff patrol]

bro you are smoking something and i aint sure what

[gaunt karma]

he's not weak but out of all the yonko

he's the weakest

[stiff patrol]

it was never stated that he wasnt equal to her before a devil fruit, and with the devil fruit he is the strongest single person alive

[vestal orbit]

so the strongest creature is the weakest yonko

[modest skiff]

This channel is not for power scaling discussion. Please move discussion about who is how strong to the manga channels

[stiff patrol]

aight ok of course sorry

[stiff patrol]

which channel would i go to sorry, im stupid sorry for the ping

[modest skiff]

#manga or #also-manga

[jaunty brook]

People were talking that luffy's df has gigantification power (as an awakening, related to what wg men were saying about a mysterious df) , but I think luffy's power could be restoration instead.
If he is rubber, everytime his bones get broken he can just restore them to the normal state, because he is rubber. Anytime you try to deform/destroy rubber it just gets back to its previous state. Hence, luffys awakening can be restoration, returning to normal state after taking damage. And if we are looking at the big picture, his 'effect' on the world could be restoring the world to the normal order, before the world government changes. Basically not only he is capable to heal himself or others around him (talking about the awakening), but restoring the proper order in the world, where nobody is in control and everyone can choose what they want to do.

Im kinda drunk atm so hope you get the idea guys

[digital epoch]

I still think there's a distinct possibility that Luffy's fruit actually has something to do with the fabric of space, and every time we see him stretch he's just curving space around him to make it look like that. Though that theory wouldn't explain why he's immune to lightning

[mild crag]

Absouloutely brass balls take.
I don’t agree with you at all but I respect your resolve

[abstract pond]

If it's 1 on 1, bet on Kaido --> Weakest Yonko

[desert hatch]

just want to confirm, theres probably at least one poneglyph on laugh tale but we know roger learned the true history so he found all the poneglyphs that make up the rio poneglyph and he left that on laugh tale too?

[bitter kraken]

I think luffys DF is just what it is, rubber also I don’t think his bones can be broken can they? 🤔

[desert hatch]

maybe his actual power is to 'bouce back' from anything, kinda abstract but we've been seeing luffy take all kinds of beatings and he always bounces back stronger

otherwise i hope its just rubber, made him figure out all those gears and fighting style and shit for nothing if he just has some op devil fruit

[bitter kraken]

He recovers by eating

[split glacier]

And milk restores bones and teeth so don't need a fruit for it.

Rubber bending space and time is the worst idea.

[wintry kayak]

It would just ruin it

[twin widget]

yeah honestly the gomu gomu no mi should stay as the rubber rubber fruit

[ivory plover]

No cap...

It should stay as an average fruit

[twin widget]

makes luffy’s achievements and uses of the fruit more impressive

[plucky kiln]

Isnt it weird that Garp refers to dragon only as luffys father and not his son. He also seems to have no grudge against dragon

What if Dragon is not garps son but someone else is garpa daughter. What if dragon took her name of Monkey D.

There is something of this disturbing me

[pure raven]

possible

[primal cargo]

I think Laugh Tale is safe from the grasp of the World Government. That's why it's so secret. Therefore if they wrote something down at Laugh Tale it shouldn't need to be on a Poneglyph necessarily ? Those were created specifically so that the WG couldn't erase them.

[halcyon talon]

yes this has been theorised before, pretty interesting to me also

[plucky kiln]

Oda might have said that luffys mom is ugly and irrelevant but I still think he is trolling us here

What if dragon is garps daughter but luffys father. Ivan changing gender and stuff

[desert hatch]

ye, he probably left rubbings there

[twin widget]

also who do you guys think luffy’s mom even is, oda confirmed that she has appeared in the series before I believe

[desert hatch]

rio poneglyph is the the name of what’s on a bunch of poneglyphs that show history

[halcyon talon]

he has? can i get a link to something

[plucky kiln]

And it was hyped that Luffys father is dragon

Not that dragon, the most wanted man turned out to be garps, the heros son

Its weird

[primal cargo]

What I meant was the people from 800 years ago. They didn't need a Poneglyph if Laugh Tale is safe

[desert hatch]

oh i get ya, so u think there might not be any there, just all the info

[primal cargo]

Yeah could be

[twin widget]

just checked and it turned out to be fake unfortunately

[halcyon talon]

ahh

[desert hatch]

he said that she’s not relevant to luffys story

[twin widget]

oh

[desert hatch]

but i still think his mom could be garps daughter lol

[halcyon talon]

thats what im thinking too

[polar bison]

dragon would likely have a different last name then

[desert hatch]

not if he took hers

to keep his real one hidden

[primal cargo]

Well why would he take his wife's last name if he's gonna keep his last name a secret anyway

[desert hatch]

ace did it

[halcyon talon]

its possible in japanese society for males to take the females name if the males family name is lesser in status than the female name

or something like that

[polar bison]

if dragon is a celestial dragon or has a last name of some other importance then maybe u can say he did it for that reason

[desert hatch]

for example rocks

but people hate that idea lol, i kinda like just cuz u can’t really disprove it

[ashen spindle]

I believe Luffy’s awakening will be changing the surrounding background into rubber just as Dofoamingo’s. Or idk. Luffy has already beaten lots of users of awakened Devil fruit powers

[desert hatch]

i like that just cuz it’s a good counter to blackbeards quakes

[primal cargo]

Didn't he keep his name secret even from his closest subordinates ? Everyone knows him as "Dragon"

[ashen spindle]

For the Laugh Tale - if government had known where it is they would have dropped a buster call on it just as most likely they did on the island of so called God Valley

[desert hatch]

that island could have just been obliterated in the fight

whitebeard was there after all

[ashen spindle]

Sengoku said it is not mentioned on any of the maps for a reason Garp required help of Gol D. Roger

[primal cargo]

There's for sure a secret regarding God Valley's disappearance. My money's on Pluton for now

[ashen spindle]

Which sounds already a good reason why they decided to get rid of it somewhat

[desert hatch]

ya i was gonna say ancient weapon too, govt could have 1

we know roger had one

still curious about that egg too, fukn oda keeps adding mysteries lol

[ashen spindle]

So I wouldn’t go as far as to say that the reason is that pirates help = our justice is not good enough

[polar bison]

we do ?

[desert hatch]

shikki said he had one

[ashen spindle]

Or basically not enough. It’s like they wanted to hide what happened during the reverie

[primal cargo]

Depending on the translation he "had" one or "knew the location" of one

[ashen spindle]

They are just very cautious that is all I think. And the WG hides whatever is not “suitable” for them.

[desert hatch]

oh so it could’ve just been poseidon?

[polar bison]

yea i’m gonna go w poseidon

could’ve also been uranus if it turns out that’s Zuneisha and/or Momo

[primal cargo]

Don't think so, I hear the scene was before Oden joined so he didn't know about Poseidon yet

[desert hatch]

idk if this was cuz oden wasn’t a thing yet but they found out about poseidon after he joined and he wasn’t in the fight against shikki so might be something else. but then again, i don’t know he thought up oden yet

[desert hatch]

ya what this guy said

[desert hatch]

correction, he must’ve already had some idea for oden cuz he already said that oden couldn’t read the poneglyphs which hints at someone else reading them, oden

[primal cargo]

oh really

[rough imp]

shanks is rocks son

orrrrr blackbeard is rocks son

either one

[pale laurel]

or both

[ashen spindle]

I would say Blackbeard. Because they have the same intention - rule the world

[severe wedge]

Luffy is Logia

@weak finch 😎

[desert hatch]

blackbeard wants to be king of the pirates i thought

[primal oracle]

BM's about to get pounded

[mint prairie]

I just read a long text that can be split in a lecture on how rubber is made and an explanation that can be generalised and applied to Galdino. So Galdino is a Logia user.

Gear 4 is most likely where vulcanisation is applied, though.

[mint prairie]

I have two questions:

1. Does this present an alternative to Gomu-Gomu that Luffy might have eaten (i.e. his fruit had a different name as per 1037)?
2. If it's still the Gomu-Gomu no Mi, would it being a Logia add anything to the fruit's nature?

[grand walrus]

i dont understand how it is a logia

[sturdy lantern]

It isn't, because it can't become intangible

[vale current]

Yep Luffy bleeds without haki. Otherwise it'd be like yami no mi or aokiji's df

[fresh pecan]

Neither , Dragon is Rocks' son

[heavy hinge]

I kinda have an idea about how the series could possibly end.

[meager drift]

What if theres a reason as to why Usopp can tank so many shots to his head without going down. His head is actually used as a bullet for his black kabuto and in the final battle, he shoots himself towards his enemy to defeat him. Then when he does that, he will be considered a brave man of the sea as he found the courage to fling himself towards the enemy.

[dark palm]

@reef crow

[reef crow]

PLEASE DO NOT DISCUSS SPOILERS HINTS OF SPOILERS OR ANYTHING HAVING TO DO WITH SPOILERS

when they are out and CONFIRMED we will ping you if you have the role

thanks

also- this is manga theories, just noticed, definitely not the place for content of future chapters. Read the description.

[stoic arch]

maybe gorosei are talking about robin's awakening. a mary coulda seen robin vs black maria battle, told CP0 and why they mention to go after her AFTER their fight happened (ch.1021). Can't post link here but you can look up orchid demon flower, maybe her devil fruit has something to do with it.

[vale current]

Interesting '-' it does match robin having a demon form with that flower. And makes kinda sense they fearing it bc it's from their enemy. But all dfs are devils why Robin's be kinda special?

[stoic arch]

idk, and im excited on what Oda can come up with if it's true. my friend @balmy idol also mentioned that the flower is endangered, just like people or Ohara

[spice herald]

Blackbeard isn't rocks son

[tawny charm]

you dont know that

I mean he could be this is Oda

[spice herald]

When have we seen an inheritor of a will actually biologically related to the progenitor of said will?

It's not likely at all

[tawny charm]

and who exactly is this inheritor

@spice herald

[spice herald]

Inheritor referring to anyone that inherits the will in Xebecs case it is BB

[subtle holly]

mihawk could be reyleigh's son

[warm nexus]

i bet all my money that the mystery df is just law’s fruit

[sharp anvil]

I think Kizaru would have shot them in Marineford if it was Luffy's or Law's fruit.

[reef sandal]

he certainly tried

[sharp anvil]

WG might also punish him for not doing it because of Beckman

Tough to find a fruit more overpowered than Law's though

[supple coyote]

What do you guys the upcoming ch will focus on Luffy/kaidi or bigmom/law/Kidd or something else

[pure raven]

Shakky is xebecs right hand

[real pendant]

Zunesha is gonna put out the fire in Onigashima

I guess 🤔

[junior cape]

That's actually a decent Zunesha theory, as opposed to the rest of them

[pure raven]

Good theory tbh

[ivory nexus]

When will be spoilers are coming am waiting

[sharp mountain]

Usually in about 4 hours if we are lucky.

[hoary grove]

The generation of Imu and Joyboy resulted in an absurd power balance in the favor of Joyboy and the pirates. Imu-sama’s force and the other forces collectively came together in order to offset the balance and defeated Joyboy. After that, they decided that they needed to maintain balance across the generations. A long-past user of Law’s fruit used the power to bestow immortality upon Imu as the ruler who brought them together and keep him as an idol of equality. Imu employs a soldier per generation to maintain the world’s balance. The soldier of this generation and Roger’s generation being Shanks. Roger laughed upon arrival at laughtale as he saw Shanks..

[weak finch]

Finally some good quality content in this server

[loud kettle]

law gonna cut onigashima in half

[umbral sierra]

Izou gonn unmask at least one of the CP0

[plucky kiln]

What if Shanks used to be an admiral

[pure raven]

Only drawback that shanks wasnt on raftel

[hoary grove]

Well he said that but we don’t know if he actually was or wasn’t

[pure raven]

He wasnt in the manga its shown shanks stay back to tend for buggy who's sick

They both didnt go to raftel

[hoary grove]

Well what I meant in the theory is that Shanks was already on Raftel, don’t know how he would’ve got there but he did, Buggy wouldn’t know anything either because he was too sick to know anything

[warm nexus]

that was lodestar island

[pure raven]

Dude that's not a theory that is skepticism

[hoary grove]

That’s what a theory is 🤔

[hoary grove]

Wym?

[near beacon]

One other thing is whats special about lodestar, why nobody can reach that island as well. Only roger pirates reached in 800 years

[quick hatch]

Moon theory?

[split hornet]

Probably has to do with stars that navigate you to it, like polestar
Only on specific days/years

[ashen surge]

Or sea currents

[vapid wyvern]

So the Reaper from last chapter. Doc Q's Epithet is "Death God" he is extremely tall like the reaper and uses a scythe. Does anyone think Blackbeard sent Doc Q to search Wano for Kaido's poneglyphs or just normal Recon?

[primal cargo]

no

[ashen surge]

I'm fairly sure BB crew is going after the seven warlords

For example Kuma's fruit would be perfect for Doc Q

Buggys fruit going to Sanjuan would be funny as hell

[spice herald]

Buggy the pirate god isn't losing to any BB pirate

[ashen surge]

He might also join

[jaunty turret]

Cp0 fucks shit up, captures robin and that makes Luffy want to run away from his duel. This confuses Kaidou since they both seem to be having fun, so he asks Luffy where tf are u going. So luffy explains the situation to him and Kaidou will help getting robin back so they can get back to fighting

[fossil rampart]

👀 what do ye think

[jaunty turret]

The Dawn pirates

[ashen surge]

That assumes Joyboy even was a pirate

[fossil rampart]

he was an adventurer i believe

[pale wedge]

That’s a good theory but I don’t think they will catch her

[spice herald]

I think that that joyboy was the appointed ruler of the ancient kingdom and the D clan are the associated families which allied under him for greater gain

[fossil rampart]

hot take

could u explain further?

[native turret]

eh maybe

[fossil rampart]

Kaidou? u mean kaido right

[native turret]

just dont know how luffys figuring out robin got captured while hes fighting kaido

unless their fight ends up on the live floor or something

or maybe like on the actual ground and onigashima would have been landed or blown up or dealt with or whatever by then

[floral relic]

when spoilers out?

[native turret]

usually late tus or wed

[warm nexus]

There has been a theory circling out that the crack on the ceiling last chapter 1037 is the fore shadowing of the kaido falling through it after a final clash with luffy and falling on big mom since it's just below the live floor where big mom vs law and kidd is fighting. its pretty good

[abstract pond]

Liked the first half. The second doesn't make much sense because Im could have easily got the straw hat from Luffy pre time skip.

[native turret]

Crack in the floor?

[warm nexus]

ceiling

[native turret]

What would be so significant about him falling on big mom I dont get it why is this a theory

[warm nexus]

the fall down of 2 yonkos

[native turret]

where is this crack in the ceiling seen I cant find it

[native turret]

So youre saying the theory is that big mom will be finished off by kaido falling ontop of her?

It would it be after kaido is defeated

[warm nexus]

pretty mucuh

i mean there's a hole already at the roof

[native turret]

I feel like kidd and law will just hold big mom off long enough for luffy to beat kaido then hed fall through the crack and land by big mom and shed be shook that kaido was defeated and then luffy would come down and itd be 3v1 at that point so shed surrender

[abstract pond]

Big Mom surrendering?

[warm nexus]

yeah that can also happen not being squashed by kaido but being forced to retreat since she saw him defeated

[native turret]

after seeing a defeaten kaido? yeah

[abstract pond]

I seriously doubt it. She would say sonething like she was stronger or something and keep fighting.

[spice herald]

So in my HC the ancient kingdom was a cultural hub of innovation in the world. The citizens were the D clan which are a lose collection of races. Joyboy was the ruler of the entire kingdom and was somewhat of the captain in a sense. I think that everyone followed joyboy and it was somewhat democratic like the real life pirate kingdom Nassau. The major families we see now are Ds that exist before the war and were somewhat on the upper side of society perhaps like a major senate.

[native turret]

shed probably chill tf out if she found out luffy beat kaido

she knows shes weaker than kaido

[warm nexus]

after taking damage from her fight i think she will retreat

[abstract pond]

Big Mom is taking years of her own life to fight and you think she woukd surrender? Most likely she would take more years off herself.

[native turret]

maybe

[warm nexus]

seems plausible

[native turret]

Shed either surrender or yolo like most of her life but shed still get ratioed

[abstract pond]

What does ratioed mean?

[native turret]

shed get bodied

[abstract pond]

Oh yeah, she and Kaido are gping down 100%

[native turret]

once luffy gets his awakening its game over

Whatever this next power up is

[abstract pond]

I don't think he is gonna awaken this arc. He already has one big power up this arc.

[warm nexus]

yes adv coating and adv armament is enough for this arc

[ashen spindle]

Well Oda said this arc will be epic and it is. Especially that we don’t know what’s going to happen with Zuenisha or if Marines will join the fight too

[warm nexus]

Big Mom's the one who came up with the alliance with Kaido. I think Kaido agreed because of them being former crewmates and his debt to Linlin which is she's the one who gave him his devil fruit. Since last chapter we learned that Big Mom's trying to go the roof and help Kaido. It seems that Kaido plays a big role in her "plan" (maybe betraying Kaido in the end since betrayal is famous in her family) which is unknown and the alliance was a step for that plan. Kaido's defeat is a setback in her "plan" prompting her to retreat and rethink what's gonna be her next step.

[abstract pond]

Are the ships arriving Wano marines? They looked like straight wg ships

[warm nexus]

dang that took a while

[warm nexus]

wg ships

[fossil rampart]

probably

[fossil rampart]

🤔 i like it

imma have to look into it

pre timeskip vs post timeskip yonkos 😂 ||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/904768326213963787/938068871842254868/IMG_3086.png || ||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/904768326213963787/938069273551724585/SPOILER_IMG_3087.png ||

[slender fulcrum]

and big mum will lose her memory again

[fading sierra]

This is gonna sound really out there but i was looking at old egyptian myths and the equivalent of cronus/father of the gods is geb and was known for laughing earthquakes into being to grow crops and is seen with a goose on his head does this have any relevance considering joy boy and laugh tale and how earthquakes can form islands , land masses and food/crops ,etc and got me thinking about sengoku who has a seagull in his head even respecting other pirates while still being the icon of order in the marines and also having a buddha df who also has a laughing buddha variant and was a spiritual figure that united people . Im not saying sengoku is joy boy but there are a lot of weird connections and parallels considering alabasta is a depiction of egypt in one piece maybe oda drew other paralles in egytpian myths

Since sengoku is an icon of order and justice even sharing some connection to rocks and other pirates being in the middle way , it just seems sengoku might have something to do with laugh tale or be hinting towards the sun god nika having multiple incarnations like joy boy , roger , luffy and possibly sengoku?

It may not mean anything but the Geb thing seems relevant considering he was the allfather of the egyptian pantheon , laughed things into existence , was obviously the father of the sun god and seemed to have a strange appearance as just som guy with a bird on his head

Also another thing i found : a lot of allfathers in myths have symbolic reference to eagles and bulls so idk if that could link Kidd to anything considering the whole magnetism ,influence on travel and land masses or Vivi’s bodyguard the eagle guy …

[lost pilot]

i have a baseless theory, but a theory i think is cool. Do you think we'll ever get to see Roger's executioners in the story? we've seen almost every aspect of rogers life, his son and wife, his crew, his journey, the only things we really haven't seen are his origins, his battle with rocks, and his executioners. for being the ones who actually killed the pirate king, they've had no role to play in the story, and that just seems a little odd to me. It would be interesting to see what they're doing now, and how being known as the killers of the pirate king really affect them

[bitter kraken]

We prolly won’t, they were very likely some nobody fodder so the gov can say look this great man killed by nobodies lol

[pine delta]

It would be neat if we got a one piece dulexe where it’s the entire anime but remastered, would they change those early designs to their later ones or let it stay?

[fading sierra]

Doubt it

[ashen surge]

Earthquakes are generated when tectonic blades hit each other beneath the surface. They are the biggest physical manifestation of friction there is. BB having two powers: actual fucking void and tremors created by friction are in my opinion perfect powers for antagonist of a shonen series

[fading sierra]

Ig

[ashen surge]

I mean nothing in the design of BB is about creation, he’s all about sucking everything out of things and destroying them afterwards

[fading sierra]

Any antagonist with two varied abilites makes it much more entertaining

But i think its linked to the fact that maybe the devils the fruits are referenced to steal from the gods or sumn

One being the seismic tremors leaving only the laugh itself

From the quake quake fruit considering its pure friction could be linked to Geb’s laughing

[ashen surge]

And that bit of Sengoku, I don’t see it that he had any conncetion to Rocks. Back in Roger’s era piracy wasn’t a huge thing. Anyone who didn’t submit to WG or sought interest regarding Laugh Tale and it’s secrets was outlawed

[fading sierra]

Yh idk sengoku just had a lot of symbolism so i thought he might be linked to laugh tale somehow

[ashen surge]

So Roger probably wasn’t such a baddie, just a romantic dude who wanted to know secrets of the world

And Sengoku and Garp probably know that. His status was given to him by WG, not by his own merit

[fading sierra]

Hm

Do u think he could have known roger b4 that in a way and WG offered sengoku a plea deal to work for them instead of being enemies

[ashen surge]

And it’s the same with Luffy, he’s an influencer of the masses and a liberator of the oppressed. And WG being a totalitarian oppressor, it’s biggest fear is to have someone make people see what freedom is

[fading sierra]

Bruh

[ashen surge]

I don’t think Sengoku knew Roger in advance, he just knew he was made enemy of the WG for the sole reason he had open interest regarding laugh tale

[fading sierra]

Ic

[ashen surge]

And probably wasn’t such a menace to the public

[fading sierra]

Sengoku is a dick icl

Idk its just reading about Geb was interesting the whole laughing earthquakes into existence and being seen as a guy with a duck on his head was kinda sus

Could explain the red line and grandline , very strange land masses that seem somehwat unnatural

[ashen surge]

I think Sengoku is one of those old guards who see that things should be as they are now. Acknowledging they are not good but the fear of the unknown that change brings is even worse

[fading sierra]

Uh yh

Ik roger and sengokus character its just his design that linked to Gebs that made me think that

[ashen surge]

Dunno if Sengoku is involved in SWORD that tries to do internal monitoring and make changes within the system.

[fading sierra]

Probably not

[ashen surge]

Could be, he’s training young optimistic upstarts who are not fullblown fascists yet

[fading sierra]

Maybe that or sengoku is sussy

[ashen surge]

Or Garp

[fading sierra]

The only reason i can think of that Garp isnt court marshalled for his connections to luffy is that he is a strong ,good and iconic marine but even then

Garp proably shudnt be allowed in the marines right?

[ashen surge]

Why? Because he’s kin became revolutionaries?

[fading sierra]

Yes exaclty

[ashen surge]

Well it’s not like it’s his fault :D

[fading sierra]

Yuh ig but they shud at least be monitoring him

[ashen surge]

He tried to parent Luffy and Ace to become marines

[fading sierra]

Considering the straw hats are on WG’s radar now

[fading sierra]

True ig

[ashen surge]

Garp’s own son has been public enemy number one for decades :D

[fading sierra]

And WG doesnt question it 💀

[ashen surge]

Dragon sees the oppression of WG and wants to overthrow it, he just doesn’t know the scope of it or doesn’t have the means to let the general public know of it

If you find One Piece, the whole world will listen to you

[fading sierra]

I think he does but causing public outrage isnt gonna do a whole lot in a world like one piece and it’s unnecessary bread crumbs hes creating

[fading sierra]

Well i mean not rlly not evryone likes pirates or care about the one piece

Also WG has brainwashed a lot of the public

[crystal quiver]

I feel like dragon is fighting for the places where the people have been beaten by the world government and are being forgotten, for exampl i dont think many people in the one piece world know about tequila wolf

[fading sierra]

I think he fights for the extinct luranians as well

[ashen surge]

Yeah and a lot of pirates think One Piece has the greatest material wealth there is while in truth it’s knowledge or an instrument that will unite the seas, destroy redline and liberate the people

[fading sierra]

Yuh

[ashen surge]

The propaganda of WG runs deep and people see the concept of pirates as some homogeneous group that goes robbin’n’raping through the world. We know that is not true. They are the ”other”, the enemy that WG needs to exist so they can justify their own existence and actions.

Of course there are power hungry death squads like BB’s group who are self-obsessed, power hungry and believe in some vertical social hierarchy where they want to be top of.

[crystal quiver]

along with lots of wealth

[ashen surge]

We don’t know if roger left any wealth to Laugh Tale

[reef nest]

What's the best theory yet on the grim reaper?

[fading sierra]

Brook

[ashen surge]

There are outcasts that have been tossed in the gutter for reasons they had nothing to do with. DoFlamingo was a traumatized kid who was traumatized by the fact that the suffering and the rage of that from the common people was projected against him and his family. He has a massive and justified grudge towards the society. He was molded into a criminal who can never accept the society it is.

And then there’s people like Luffy and co who just want to go to adventures which just happen to include stuff that will turn the society on top of itself.

[fading sierra]

Its a zankapto of enma

[fading sierra]

He was also born a celestial dragon so

[ashen surge]

That’s what I said, didn’t I?

[fading sierra]

Yh ik but the biases that wud have programmed him for later life by being a celestial dragon and the traumatising experience only strengthening that bias

He was alr messed up even before that by being a celestial dragon

[ashen surge]

Of course, there’s a lot of pride regarding his heritage but he probs would grown into a decent common man if he didn’t have to carry around the weight of the oppression and abuse his kind had done to the common people

[fading sierra]

I think he wud have grown into a alpha celestial dragon but his brother wud be ok ig

Doffy was always kinda eh

[crystal quiver]

yeah i think corasan wouldve been like mjosgard

[ashen surge]

Asian storytelling doesn’t recognize characters who are just evil. It’s always that they have some fundamental disagreement of things

Doffy had a chance to be fair and good but the people rejected him

And it wasn’t his fault

[crystal quiver]

i see where youre coming from and yeah if the people accepted him he most likely wouldve been a better person, he also got corrupted by trebol

[sand sail]

Doflamingo never had that chance, and the only time he could be argued to have he went out of his way not to utilize it

[primal cargo]

Lol what. You ever hear of, Idk, every bad guy in One Piece ? Croc ? Ener ?
Doffy was "rejected" because he was asking around for slaves and he clearly said he never once thought to be anyone's equal

[sand sail]

It wasn't a matter of acceptance, Doflamingo was born with something wrong with him, he's just a sociopath

[ashen surge]

He was a kid who was born into priviledge.

[copper frost]

Doffy has always had a huge sense of entitlement

[crystal quiver]

this is also true the will of celestial d is too strong

[sand sail]

Doflamingo was most definitely traumatized, for sure

[copper frost]

As he said, he saw heaven and hell at the same time

[sand sail]

It's just his trauma doesn't justify any of his behavior at all. He wasn't a kid who hid the fact that he was a Celestial Dragon in an attempt to fit into a new world and got found out or anything, it's not like he's Sabo

[ashen surge]

Every bad guy in One Piece has few things in common: they disagree with the concept of freedom without hierarchie as the main cast have but if you think about it, was Croc actually worse than Cobra?

[sand sail]

Doflamingo was a bad guy from day 1 and went out of his way to show it, he's been given repeat opportunities to be a decent person and refuses them all. Even before people began to hate and pursue them, he was still a typical Celestial Dragon. He was just rotten.

[ashen surge]

Sure Croc tried to orchestrate a coup for reasons unknown but after he had succeeded, what then?

[primal cargo]

He certainly was. But I think it's pretty clear that he was always gonna be evil. I think that's a big reason why Cora exists.
Saying "they just disagree fundamentally" is just a roundabout way of saying they're evil. If they were born with the idea that people should be inferior to them, they're evil. I don't think Oda wants us to understand Crocodile when we read Alabasta

[ashen surge]

Would life been any different for the common people?

[sand sail]

He wanted to go back to the New World and take it over

Sure, life would be drastically different, Alabasta wouldn't have been a country anymore

[ashen surge]

He wanted access to Pluton. Why? We don’t know

[muted ember]

I think someone will break Doffy out

[ashen surge]

Why so? What would’ve changed?

[primal cargo]

That's the point. We didn't have to know. His purpose in the story was to be evil.

[sand sail]

He was going to destroy the country to do it, Alabasta literally would no longer have existed

[ashen surge]

No it’s not :D Western concepts of good and evil are not present in asian storytelling

[ashen surge]

How he was going to destroy it?

[sand sail]

Yes, they are. It depends entirely on the story, our cultures aren't separated enough to say this

Hell, the arc we're talking about has nothing asian about it, lmao

[sand sail]

With a massive bomb?

[primal cargo]

Wth does that even mean. Do you sign an agreement for never making pure evil characters when you're born in Asia ?

[ashen surge]

Does massive bomb destroy whole countries or just the military force that you’re going to replace

[ashen surge]

The concept of pure evil and good is dualistic and very christian. A thing that hasnt been around in asia for long

[sand sail]

It was going to go off in the middle of a country with millions of citizens there at the time, so yeah, probably the whole country if not the entire capital where everyone was

[sand sail]

This isn't true, good and evil as pure things have been around for thousands of years longer than Christianity has been, and either way western religions have gotten more than a good foothold in Japan as well. Saying it's not in this story because hundreds of years ago it may not have been, even though there's plenty of evil in Japanese mythology, is disingenuous

The very arc we're talking about currently isn't even occurring in an asian setting. Nor does most of One Piece, Oda writes almost exclusively western themes for this series. The entire character of Doflamingo is a completely western idea.

[ashen surge]

Wait, Doffy is a royalty by blood who was hated by the common people because they were fed up with the abuse and oppression of the royalty. Oppressors who had their status and priviledge through lineage. Japan is an imperial monarchy where the head of the country is decided through lineage

How is that not a Japanese concept?

[primal cargo]

That's an everywhere concept.

[ashen surge]

Ruling through lineage? No it’s not

[copper frost]

That's a monarchy and nobility concept

[sand sail]

Yes, it is

[copper frost]

Not just Japanese culture but basically all of European monarchy throughout the centuries and still now

[sand sail]

That's nowhere near a Japan-centric concept

Wait, Doffy is a royalty by blood who was hated by the common people because they were fed up with the abuse and oppression of the royalty. Oppressors who had their status and priviledge through lineage.

^ This describes almost every coup in history

[ashen surge]

The story of Doffy is all about the cycle of violence that abuse and oppression brings. His dad wanted to step down from it, he wanted to be with common people. Common people didn’t accept them.

If common people had accepted DoFlamingo family, things probably would’ve turned out allright

[sand sail]

No, Doflamingo didn't want to be accepted

That's the point you don't seem to have placed here, Doflamingo never wanted any of that. His father forced it on him, he only ever wanted to rule above everyone else

[primal cargo]

I agree with this in concept. What I don't agree with is your out-of-nowhere concept of "asian storytelling" and how One Piece must obey it for whatever reason

[copper frost]

Doflamingo went back with his father's head to get back in to rule, for his status as a ruler

[sand sail]

He isn't the way he is because of circumstance forcing his personality to change to survive, his personality has never changed at all

[copper frost]

His attitude to life and his philosophy has changed, his personality has remained constant

[ashen surge]

He never had the chance to even consider life as a commoner

[sand sail]

Yes, he did

[ashen surge]

Where

[copper frost]

He had plenty of time to settle in, he stank up the town asking his dad trying to get slaves

[ashen surge]

You’re putting a lot of weight on one panel which was meant to symbolize how an elemntary school kid doesn’t understand what is going around him

[primal cargo]

It's tricky with Doffy because even when he had the opportunity he kept acting like he was superior. (which you can argue is because of conditioning or not)
But the story of the his family is for sure about the cycle of violence and people turning against them when they learned of their origin. There's no denying that.
Both the "cycle of violence" idea and the "pure evil" idea can exist in the same story.

[copper frost]

An elementary kid asking for slaves is still a red flag for the townsfolk

[ashen surge]

Did doffy say that out loud in public?

[copper frost]

Yes lmao

He went into town and demanded people to become his slaves

[ashen surge]

Chapter?

[ashen surge]

And how do you come to the conclusion he was talking in public?

[sand sail]

Well, because he shouts this to everyone in public

[ashen surge]

He acted like a priviledged kid, his father acknowledged that he has much to educate regarding him

But it doesn’t mean he was given ample time to grow

[sand sail]

The rot was already there, the time to grow wouldn't have mattered. Corazon went through the same life and came out relatively okay, Doflamingo was just bad from the start, as Corazon tells us

[ashen surge]

I know I’m being a hardass but demanding people to acknowledge his status and genuflect in front of him is hardly the same thing as being a kid who asks his dad on the farmer’s market if we can buy that dude over there

[unique fractal]

Anyone had a theory that luffy have Copy fruit? He has rubber ability because he constantly copying ability of meat to be elastic and because Shanks and co told him so in first chapters

[primal cargo]

I'm happy to get back to theory talk but wot

[ashen surge]

That was Corazon’s narrative of it, he could’ve not known

[sand sail]

Corazon was the closest person to Doflamingo for their entire lives, he is the literal only person besides Oda himself whose word we can trust about this

[sand sail]

He asks for a pistol to shoot people

[primal cargo]

Being born evil or being brought up evil doesn't change the fact that the character now is pure evil. You were arguing that there's no such thing as pure evil in "asian storytelling"

[unique fractal]

Also through entire story he needs meat after a battle. Not just to get physical energy but to keep copy fruit work. Also he always copying attacks and forms of different persons, like enel or katakuri. The motive of copying something by luffy is too often through entire manga

[ashen surge]

Ok it sounds like we have misunderstanding of what pure evil means.

Many villains of the One Piece believe that freedom is achieved by being the one who oppresses and abuses others. They think freedom is something only few people are entitled to experience.

At that goes for doffy too. He wan’t evil, he was wrong while believing he’s right

[primal cargo]

So your "evil" would be doing harm for the sake of it ? And that's the thing that's specific to Western culture ?

[ashen surge]

Not necessarily just for the sake of it but behavior which can’t be understood.

And we can understand 100% where doffy is coming from

[primal cargo]

That's a really vague idea though isn't it. "That guy has fun making others miserable so I understand why he does it" does that make the guy not evil ?
At this point I'm not sure what we're even discussing

[ashen surge]

And who is like that?

[primal cargo]

A hypothetical character since we don't discuss other series

I'm saying if your definition of evil is that specific then sure I guess no one in One Piece is purely evil

[ashen surge]

Yeah and in western pop culture you can see characters like that. The character of Doffy was forged in the grudge and hate of other people and he was driven by the personal trauma and grudge

[primal cargo]

Cool I guess, still no ground to make general statements about "asian culture" or whatever imo but that's not the topic

[unique fractal]

Also in the first chapters before eat DF Luffy did eat meat and stretch it. This is basicly thing luffy like the most. So assuming this and that not Whos who nor Shaks didn't knew that the fruit is actually isn't gomu gomu, luffy can have copying df

[primal cargo]

I don't know how to say this but meat... is not elastic

[ivory nexus]

Sounds good

[slender fulcrum]

how can it be Law? we saw his awakening there is nothing " special " whatsoever about it that we don't know. The Gurusei didnt even saw its awakening from their living era, yet everyone know that this fruit can give " eternal life " , so why should the DF name would have been renamed ?

[unique fractal]

Look at this scene at the first chapter. He litterally use teeth with strenght. It more looks like the meat is elastic

[ashen surge]

I suggest looking into it! In this context of One Piece I think it’s kinda belittling towards Oda to just be handwaving motives and drives of antagonists just ”pure evil”. Especially with the kind of world buillding Nep Ece has provided

[oblique flume]

I believe it's either Luffy's, Law's or possibly Lin Lin's idk who's else they would care about renaming

[primal cargo]

You made a nice point about Croc's vision of freedom. It's just that I feel that the unchallenged belief that harm should be done to others for one's own sake ought to be branded as evil for me

[slender fulcrum]

We've seen law awakening, I dont think Oda will add another hoax to a broken DF, Lin Lin is already too op and we saw right after ( the discussion of the Gurusei ) that she didn't awaken it and doesnt need to ( or already did since a long time but we don't know )

[haughty shale]

how does she awaken her fruit in the first place? do things just gain sentience without needing to spend souls on them?

[slender fulcrum]

Only missing is Brook, Kaido, Luffy, Momo ( because the chapter after the Gurusei discussion didnt show them in action, so we don't know what's the deal with them )

[oblique flume]

Yeah fair, just saying those are about the only one I could realistically think of if it isn't Luffy

Maybe Brook tbh

I don't see a reason for Kaido or Momo

[ashen surge]

I don’t think it’s unique to Croc, most villains of One Piece accept the society as it is and they just want to be on top of it or want to guard the status quo

[unique fractal]

If Oda didn't draw scene with Whos who just to make false flag for fandom, then Gurosei did talk about luffy df. Also, who was Whos who 12 years backward in the terms of physical powers? I don't think, if we assuming that Gurosei talking about Luffys DF, that Gurosei is not operate on it in hidden. Just to not make too much noise around people

[slender fulcrum]

I think the Gum Gum fruit escort was commandited by Im Sama, the Gurusei went along not knowing what was the deal and following order blindly. Who'who being imprisoned for failing ( when Lucci was promoted somehow to higher level after failing capturing Robin ) make it seems that's its a huge deal

[primal cargo]

"That fruit is a legend, even to us"
I don't know what more you guys need

[ashen surge]

@primal cargo anyway good talk

[slender fulcrum]

Take fruit A, who is supposed to do legendary thing, is mythical, and nobody saw it or ever seen its awakening. Then take fruit X, who, when awakened does the thing fruit A was supposed to do. The gurusei just realised that fruit X was fruit A under a different name, renamed by Im sama or someone else, and just witnessed what the legend told about it or were told about it on den den mushi

[ashen surge]

We don’t know what Gorosei is talking about. They might also be talking about something that happened in Reverie

[modest skiff]

Since the Gorosei were learning about a devil fruit at this moment, it means that Luffy's fruit was not being kept hidden due to being a legendary fruit. The surprise from the Gorosei must be different than whatever logic went into hiding Luffy's fruit because Luffy's fruit was hidden before the scene with the Gorosei. It is possible they just now learned about something new about Luffy's fruit, meaning it was hidden for 1 reason, and then later on realized to be something else, but the original reason for his fruit being hidden can't be because of what the Gorosei just learned about

Luffy can still have a significant, noteworthy fruit, without being the hidden legend

[primal cargo]

I remember answering this exact theory at length the other day. However you look at it, it never quite makes perfect sense

[warm nexus]

the line “that fruit is a legend to us” definitely outweighs that it’s not Law. But am I the only one who thinks that the theory it’s zunesha eating a giant giant fruit or somethin is bullcrap as fuck.

[pale laurel]

The WG was in possession of the gomu gomu fruit just 12 years ago or so. How would it be a legend to them?

[slender fulcrum]

They might talk about something happening outside wano at present time, but all the direction and story are orientated around the Gomu gomu no fruit.
Mentionning the escort of the gum gum fruit by CP-0 is NOT trivial

[ashen surge]

It could also be Tama

[slender fulcrum]

you didn't understand the line.

Take fruit A, who is supposed to do legendary thing, is mythical, and nobody saw it or ever seen its awakening. Then take fruit X, who, when awakened does the thing fruit A was supposed to do. The gurusei just realised that fruit X was fruit A under a different name, renamed by Im sama or someone else, and just witnessed what the legend told about it or were told about it on den den mushi

[pale laurel]

Okay, that makes sense

[whole moon]

If battling aokiji helped akainu to awaken his Devil fruit THEN.......

[unique fractal]

Also about Im sama. How is it possible that one guy usurp entire world and just like to water flowers? We also know from Chopper that df abilities is related to physical waves. Could it be that Im have Wave fruit and can change anything? He lives above everyone else, physical waves have the ability to spread across the globe in atmosphere(like Enel capability to see that everyone do). The only opposite waves is Seastone. This is why all Poneglyphs use Seastone and why Joyboy used Wano as "a fort". This is also why Marines don't know anything about Wano

[ashen surge]

Does logia awaken

[whole moon]

Dont ask me

[vale current]

Imo Gorosei could be talking about gomu fruit for they sorta feel like it's about to awaken only because it coincides with what's going on

[copper frost]

At this moment, it kinda seems counter intuitive for logia awakenings

[slender fulcrum]

I think Logia awakening is what happened on Punk Hazard, can change the weather permanently

[copper frost]

!punkhazard

[lone hedge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/164971940648321024/795015111625801728/hdgmrphiqgm11.png%3Fwidth%3D1095%26height%3D227

[copper frost]

This is why the weather is like that on Punk Hazard

[slender fulcrum]

Oh , shame it was said not in the Manga ( or I overlooked it )

[ashen surge]

Punk hazard is all physics, it works

[unique fractal]

Also if df abilities related to waves, then not material objects is possible. Moriah isn't literally grab shadows. He sets turrets on back of objects. These turrets use target's energy to exist and to make light. This is why it looks like Moriah grabs shadows. Same with Brook and Big Mom fruits. There is not any soul. It is waves

The Voice of all things is the ability to understand waves. You can't achieve that if you can't understand other people wishes. That is, if you have too much ego

This why Im waters flowers. This scene is need to understand that Im is also have the Voice of all things or his DF can grant him that ability. Im isn't that egocentric like other enemies of Luffy. As a major vilian this looks like kind of real. Plus Imu could be translated as Buddha(kind of)

[ashen surge]

Dunno, I think Im - the de facto leader of the world - watering flowers is just representation of said freedom I've been talking about.

You can do anything in the world and you decide to do mundane things, like watering flowers

And not a lot of people have that luxury in the world of One Piece

[unique fractal]

Then there is much of Imus. There is much of islands in One Piece, every island have theur own ruler. Nothing prevents every that ruler to demonstrate same psychological traits like Im did in that scene

[vale current]

This applies on logia fruits as well? Bc they seem to literally bend/change/control natural elements

[ashen surge]

I don't understand what do you mean by psychological traits

[amber oar]

This reminded me of a Doctor Who line.

“What, are you gardeners? I hate gardening! What sort of a person has a power complex about flowers? It’s dictatorship for inadequates. Or to put it another way, it’s dictatorship.“

[unique fractal]

I mean if you have much of time and you're King, you can water flowers everyday

[ashen surge]

haha

[ashen surge]

No you don't if the country you govern is in constant conflict

Cobra was actually governing Alabasta, he was trying to do fair

[unique fractal]

Im have portraits of Shirahoshi, Luffy, Blackbeard in the same room with flowers. He deciding their fate there. He cannot be just a simple ego king like we did see through entire series. Im use nobles for that. He beyond

[harsh ferry]

Classic chad lingo

[vale current]

Isn't Vivi's portrait also in that room with Im?

[unique fractal]

Yeah, it just not necessary related

[split hornet]

I'm surprised the government doesn't see the kozuki as a threat
Since it seems that the survival of momo is very important

[ashen surge]

Vivi = Pluton, Shirahoshi = Neptune, Luffy/BB = younguns who actually might go for One Piece which is probably related to Uranus

[vale current]

Then there's something else deeper into Im i think Im is straight up wicked bc it enslaves the world hiding its truth

[split hornet]

Wonder what Momo's role will be since Yamato said that he will lead the world to it's dawn or something

[harsh ferry]

Yamatos husbando

[ashen surge]

I like it

[slender fulcrum]

I'm klinda wondering if BB is truly after the One Piece now... he can get everything he want and probably extends his rule on every territory, if he manages to go after each warlords to get back their power and confront the WG at the same time I'm not sure the One piece will make a difference or not

[unique fractal]

Kaido selling weapons to WG and he do it 20 years now. Kaido knows too much and hard oponent. It is faster just to trade with him and use him even if he wants to destroy WG, because he destroying Wano with his methods

[split hornet]

Son and father relationship, noice

[ashen surge]

This is the 🏳️‍⚧️ representation we need.

[ashen surge]

of course he is after it

[slender fulcrum]

true but it might not be his ultimate gold but a side quest now ^^

[vale current]

Somehow in that panel Im holds vivi's portrait while others are stabbed, meaning Im yearns their deaths but vivi's special

[primal cargo]

Nah the One Piece isn't a side quest for anybody. It can be the means to an end though

[ashen surge]

Or alabasta will be destroyed for the show of power

[harsh ferry]

<3 only

[slender fulcrum]

it was for Whitebeard, and then he discarded it completely

Anyway my theory is that BB and the SH' will clash on Laugh Tale

[primal cargo]

Did Whitebeard ever consider going for the One Piece ? I remember he dismissed the idea when he met Roger basically right after the One Piece had become a known thing

[buoyant perch]

@slender fulcrum yee this is very much possible...

[harsh ferry]

Alabasta wont be a kingdom anymore, anybody siding with pirates will be punished

[unique fractal]

Maybe Nefertari family have opposite to Lunarian genes? While Lunarians have fire ability, Nefertari have ability to make water?

[harsh ferry]

Vivi wont be royalty anymore

[vale current]

(Alpha's theory) Butterflies symbolizes reincarnation that's why luffy, bb, shirahoshi and vivi posters were shown bc they're reincarnation of past individuals as we guess it. But Imu may be Imothep (ancient egyptian priest) that had a wife called Renpet Neferet that kinda matches with Nerfetari, Vivi's surname. Then Imu's supposed interest in Vivi is to make her a wife.

And Vivi would be the reincarnation of a former princess of ancient Alabasta which might've been connected to Imu in a way (perhaps Imu's former wife).

That sign says something like "bride in training". And Cobra also talked about "marriage" with Vivi to which she refused jokingly

Credit Alpha2late17. I found this wild theory quite amazing

[primal cargo]

The only thing I find amazing about this is the association between being a bride and cleaning the house. Based cats making sure women know their place

[vale current]

Lmao yea but this is a bit off - "Abroad in Japan" yt channel claims such things like that are "quite a regular occurrence" in Japan so idk how they have it

[warm nexus]

zamn vivi

damn i thought general

[slate mirage]

Where's that panel from?

[vale current]

Cover page from chapter 610, reader's request

[primal cargo]

I've just realised something about Wano.

So we all understand that there is a big final war coming, and that Wano is the "big thing that has to happen before we can proceed to the final war".
We know it because :

• The whole saga leading up to Wano has been specifically about fighting Kaido and Big Mom, while the big players that are expected to participate in the final war (Shanks, Blackbeard, the Marines, the Revolutionaries) have all been largely absent or sidelined.
• Oden told it to us. There will be a massive war, and the players of that war will come to Wano.

On Laugh Tale, Oden and the Roger pirates learned about "the prophecy". The prophecy is something that was foretold, probably planned, 800 years ago by people among whom are implied to be the Kozuki clan and Joyboy ; it has also been referred to as "the Dawn of the world", and it involves the treasure known as One Piece, the reincarnation of Joyboy, and almost certainly the Ancient Weapons.
The Roger pirates found out that the prophecy couldn't be accomplished at the time, as the right conditions would only be met 25 years later.
Lastly, they learned that before the prophecy can be fulfilled (or as part of the prophecy) there will be a war of worldwide proportions.

We know that Oden came back with the intention of opening Wano's borders, in preparation for the day Joyboy comes. That means that for the prophecy to be realised, a certain thing has to happen that requires Wano to be open to the world. Let's just call that "the event".
Now since the event is conditioned to the borders of Wano being open, I think it's very reasonable to assume that it's something that happens in Wano.

Once we've accepted that, it becomes obvious that the event will take place in the manga during the Wano arc.
Therefore I think we can safely expect Act 4 to be something massive where some incredibly important stuff like the Void Century and Joyboy will be brought up more profoundly than ever before.

In fact, I'd say the point of Act 3 is to get rid of the one thing that prevents the event from happening, and that's Kaido. Once he's out of the picture we can get to the good stuff.

So all that to say we're probably very wrong when we say "Wano will soon be over" or "Wano has not lived up to the hype".

I'd like to make a proper theory out of this but I'm not sure I can

[crystal quiver]

Also a dragon in the background training for celestial dragon idk

[vale current]

I wonder how Wano gonna make it from more war and Zunesha suddenly approached it. But Oden's special statement to open Wano's borders dont kinda mean Wano is just requirement to unchain the greater events?!

[slender fulcrum]

Imo Zunesha is here to fulfill the prophecy and protect the country from outer harms

[sharp anvil]

You guys think this panel might hold some information about the gorosei fruit?

[vale current]

Yea and the reader's request was just "Supervised by cats, Vivi cleans the Royal Bathrooms". Why tf they put a dragon there, isnt it '-'

[sharp anvil]

A fruit that makes you impervious to damage would be busted and Luffy does bounce right back up

[slender fulcrum]

if the gurusei thought it was a legend, Kid shouldn't know anything about it

[sharp anvil]

He doesn't he is saying nothing he knows of is impervious to damage

[crystal quiver]

Could be a hint towards the redline being destroyed eventually

[sharp anvil]

True he is talking about nature

[crystal quiver]

Yup literally stone and it’s exposed to constant weathering

But I am biased towards the destroying the redline theory

[fathom matrix]

I think that line works a lot of ways, how sure, the WG may be seen as this Nigh Unbeatable force, but due to Pirates, Luffy's and the R.A's actions, it's all gonna crumble down

[slender fulcrum]

well Maybe the red line will be split with a big hole when Marijoie is eventually, but we know red line is natural to one piece world and was there before, since Lunarian lived on it

[sharp anvil]

Definitely a cool panel

[sharp anvil]

Makes it even more badass if he is referring to them as the rain and the current world as the stone.

[bitter kraken]

The fruit the gorosei are talking about zunesha, which was eaten by a giant that’s why it’s so huge

[sharp anvil]

I think it's Toki Toki

[vale current]

Guess kid's lines in that panel hidden mean WG's upcoming final destination

[edgy viper]

That's a really nice take. If you like, feel free to DM me and we'll make a comprehensive theory together, I'm working on a similiar piece anyway.

[vale current]

I thought that too lol that Zunesha's actually a bizarre DF somehow, that it's either eaten and awakened, the wonder is what's eaten it. Also Zunesha rhymes with Ganesha (hindu deity) not much related, just to say.

[slender fulcrum]

I'll add some more : Kaido knows about part of this prophecy because of King, who is a lunarian and might have some knowledge about joy boy and such.
Kaido knows that wano is important and want to be the joy boy of prophecy that'll make a war of massive proportion. That's why he stick to wano and he stays " because it"s wano " and says to Luffy " you're not joy boy " etc

Because, to be honest, how would Kaido knows about Joy Boy ?

[bitter kraken]

Kaido was on rocks crew and rocks was into knowing knowledge that he shouldn’t so it’s pretty easy for kaido to know things too

[slender fulcrum]

True.

[pure raven]

What if rocks invited kaido to the crew bc maybe he thought that kaido is joyboy and kaido started thinking the same, but then he discovered that he isn't joyboy and he wants to kill himself bc of that reason,

[slender fulcrum]

or maybe he's waiting for Joy Boy in wano that's why he's sticking there

[pure raven]

Yeah

[slender fulcrum]

he may realise slowly that it may be Luffy hence why he's " toying " with him according to BM

[pure raven]

Im very excited for the end of wano bc oda's editor said it's gonna be interesting and I think oda is gonna reveal to us smth about joyboy

Since kaido is very involved

[vale current]

Can it add that piece where Roger's apologize letter referred Joyboy? What was it

[pure raven]

You mean on skypea where oden wrote on the poneglyph

[vale current]

Yes. That's an important piece of info about joyboy

I mean if we work think around it

[pure raven]

Wait I gotta se what he said bc I forgot

[vale current]

But actually it doenst say much, what Roger thought of joyboy

That letter if you look is so confused

[edgy viper]

Like, one thing that's worth thinking about: Dr Miyagi speculated Zunesha might have a destination. Momo, a Kozuki, is able to command Zunesha while the Minks have a "powerful historical bond" with the Kozuki. Momo and Zunesha had a conversation and now the elephant lingers before Wano. How do these facts relate to "the event" and the eventual war?

[split hornet]

According to odens journal mono will lead the world to it's dawn

[abstract pond]

Nefert was the first wife of Ramses II, his second wife was Nefertari which is exactly same name as Vivi.

Imhotep wasn't married iirc

[vale current]

I didn't know of that before this theory but it seems Renpet-Neferet was either Imhotep's sister or wife that's been given to him according to records, due to his services as architect or something

There's a manga called "IM - Great Priest Imhotep" too

[muted ember]

I watched a video that said Izo wants to talk to CP0 not fight them, bc before he says stop they're already walking past him and he stops aiming his gun

[muted ember]

The raid will fail and Kaido gets his war

[ashen surge]

It's literally in the manga 一つ凪

(I know you agree with me)

Great wordplay by Oda

[shadow imp]

Dude kaido was just the cleaner of the ship

[split glacier]

He was basically Rocks' Buggy?

[halcyon tusk]

Apprentice and Cabin Boy are two very different things though. Deckhand isn’t even an actual position on any type of crew really. they give that to any extras along for the ride for a lil bit. some do work out though like Koby. but most die horrible deaths lmaoo but a Great Pirate Captain’s Apprentice should be given their due respect. in my opinion anyway. that’s just how i view it

[mint barn]

oda said he wanted to show something about luffy at the end of wano arc
does anyone know what he meant

[untold pivot]

He gonna have a dozen arms like a Buddha deity!!

[robust sierra]

oh shit never thought of that

he's painted as a wisdom king it's making sense lol

[halcyon tusk]

how much further into Conqueror’s Haki do ya think we’ll see? i still think luffy is just scratching the service with Haki in general, but there’s definitely more to Conqueror’s we’ve yet to see. still haven’t seen anyone else do what Shanks did on Whitebeard’s Ship.

[heady parrot]

Zoro is going to actually die and the New World parallel for Impel Down is going to be the strawhats going to the literal underworld to save zoros soul. Impel Down is loosely modeled after Dante’s take on Hell and Brook confirmed the afterlife is a real place so I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s the parallel we’ll get considering recent developments and all of zoros death flags throughout the series.