manga-theories

[ancient vault]

I actually think the fact that hes a walking corpse granted him that possiblity

He doesnt need to provide any organs with anything. I mean he eats for fun and drinks milk to restore his bones. Thats it

[muted ember]

I think he could only die from age or just getting completely destroyed

[ancient vault]

She hasnt been hit with a hard attack ever if I think about it correct

[muted ember]

Luffy's g4?

[abstract pond]

but he also poops

[ancient vault]

But dying from age is linked to organ failure (generally)

[ancient vault]

Luffy only blocked her attack

[ancient vault]

Okay forget about it to complicated to argue about

Brook doesnt even understand his own fruit

[slim moat]

I know some cool tidbit about Marygoeise. But it's mostly theory at this point and we didn't see any direct evidence for it. I don't want to end up embarrassed about it.

[primal cargo]

Xd go for it it's only a discord chan

[muted ember]

Luffy expended his full g4 he definitely attacked her we just didn't see the full exchange

Unless you're saying it took g4 just to block one attack but then that metal def shouldn't do anything

[quaint haven]

Which quote was this? I partially remember this but can't find it

[slim moat]

What's the redline height? We don't have definite number but the land is up above the clouds. Where do you find Sky Islands?

[jovial patrol]

10kilometer

[slim moat]

10 km is depth. Fishman island is located there. But we don't have definitive number for height.

[muted ember]

Idk the chapter but he mentions the personality switch right before he mentions the youth surgery

[primal cargo]

Skypiea is 10km above sea level, Red Line probably around there as well ?

[slim moat]

Skypea is little higher. Most sky islands are. But White Sea is at 7 km height.

[primal cargo]

Alright

[slim moat]

Gods live in heaven. 🤣

[rustic granite]

This is more of a question rather than a theory,but can't Law make himself immortal through his fruit?

[proven sand]

i dont thik the fruit the gorosei spoken of is something we knew

[weak arrow]

no he'd die

[rustic granite]

But he'd be immortal too

[quaint haven]

@muted ember ahh yesss

Forgot about that. The more I read it the more unbelievable laws power is 😂

Bit I don't understand is how dofi would use the fruit without being the fruits user

It's Almost like he knows the secret to having more than one fruit

[cyan berry]

He'd just give the fruit to a random pawn

And have them use the immortality surgery on him

Not that hard

[muted ember]

The person who uses the youth surgery dies he was going to give it to his brother bc he never knew he had a fruit

[cyan berry]

That too

[primal cargo]

Well the immortality operation probably involves awakening at the highest level

[cyan berry]

If Doffy had somehow gotten two fruits he wouldn't have been able to instantly awaken with it anyway

[primal cargo]

Who said anything about instantly. Any power takes time to master, the Ope Ope fruit especially so since it's so complicated

[sharp anvil]

I want to know what happens if the immortal guy eats ope ope after it respawns.

[prime pawn]

Do you guys think Dragon's power has to do with the wind or rain?

[fickle chasm]

zunesha = joy boy prove me wrong please

[weak arrow]

According to what we know, Zunesha has been walking for over a millenia. Joyboy made the fishman promise less than a millenia ago.

[ancient vault]

adam giving him a proper response

[primal cargo]

The above implies that Zunesha was at the very least 100 years old at the end of the void century, making him/her too old to be referred to as a "boy"

As well as notably being an elephant

[ancient vault]

ah yh that was wrong btw. The minks have been living onn zou for 1000 years. It has started walking later

[sturdy hawk]

Don't give adam ideas swrml

[ancient vault]

wdym

[fickle chasm]

ahhhhh shit man i thought i had some something there 😢

[weak arrow]

That seems inherently wrong logically but that still shows joyboy ain’t zunesha so that’s good

[ancient vault]

wait whats inherently wrong

[fickle chasm]

i thought that would be the legend lurking in wano

[weak arrow]

It would make a lot more sense that the minks settled on Zunisha after it started walking vs before

[ancient vault]

why

I mean its possible zunesha walked before. The difference is just when it started being ordered to walk

[weak arrow]

Because that means the minks would have basically been a witness and likely joined into whatever bad thing zunesha did.

[fickle chasm]

wait what other legendary figures can be zunesha if zunesha is a product of a devil fruit like millennia ago

[ancient vault]

I dont see that wrong logically for them to settle first. Maybe settling on zunesha was exactly for that reason. When things get rough so they could disappear from humanity

[ancient vault]

Ig it didnt get passed down for whatever reason

but i get ur point

[weak arrow]

It makes more sense that zunesha started walking by itself and basically got found by mink colonists

[ancient vault]

obviously. But the vivrecard said different I think

[weak arrow]

But I mean, the other way isn’t impossible just seems less likely

[ancient vault]

I could see zuneshas sin being "betraying" the AK but it was controlled by tamas fruit

Or nah that doesnt make sense cause I also think zunesha was ordered to walk by that fruit

[fickle chasm]

garps wife is a lunarian

[slim moat]

Not just single statement. Write more lines. We want to read the full thing. Not one liners.

[tired osprey]

vivre cards confirms that zunesha got sentenced after minks settled on its back.

[fickle chasm]

garps wife is a lunarian because first it will explain why luffy can do red hawk (not the friction thingy) cause it seems like oda is acc explaining y certain characters can do these abilities (example sanji and his fire). Now due to the extermination of lunarians garps wife got packed and dragon was there to see it, garp didnt interfere my guess cause he wasnt strong enough cause (this is before prime garp) or cause he had to stay loyal to his job. This explains garp hate for celestials but still work as a marine and also why dragon went to be the leader of the revolutionary army against the celestials as they did kick of lunarians of the red line. Dragon piped another woman and made luffy and he is quarter lunarian which make sense y it took so long for luffy to conjure flames (im pretty sure it was after when sanji awakened his flames).

plus also why would oda reveal an op last race for only ONE survivor left and it to be king and he got packed by zoro. Like it obvs make zoro look like a DEMON but it makes the lunarians look bad. Plus the WG still have the if u have any info about lunarian 100million berry thing so they defo assume there is survivors left in the world

[slim moat]

But how is it linked to Garp's wife?

[abstract pond]

Didn't know Zunisha was inspired by a Dali's painting https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/43/Dali_Elephants.jpg/270px-Dali_Elephants.jpg

[weak arrow]

Yes that is swmrl told me. However in this case, i am overruling the vivre cards for logic sake.

[weary tendon]

I just saw a theory on YouTube by yude ron and it said luffy actually has an oil type devil fruit and that is why he can do red hawk

Luffy being a solid type of oil instead of rubber explains why the Boro breath by kaido didn't affect him and oil doesnt conduct electricity also just like rubber which means the devil fruit mentioned by the gorosei is luffys fruit

[tribal wedge]

So dragon's wife is eliminated because only king is alive by then? and Dragon is angry at the dragons because of that? Sounds logical

[split glacier]

Hmm that theory seems familiar.

[past prawn]

Sounds super interesting but I feel like it would kinda defeat the purpose if he’s not actually a rubber in some way?

[fickle chasm]

fuck

[tribal wedge]

lol i didn't want the end "sounds logical" to sound to sarcastic. I think it is a valid argument

[weary tendon]

Defeat what purpose ? it still holds all of the properties of rubber plus explaining the Boro breath by kaido and the red hawk

Also I saw somewhere the distinction between imu and luffy so imu backwards is umi ocean or water which contrasts luffy if he's a type of oil

[tribal wedge]

ELEMENTAL POWERS!!! (this some lego ninjago shit)

[tardy pumice]

Idk if anyone is gonna make a convincing case for any particular fruit. I just want to know if it's even a fruit we've already seen before in the story.

[pure raven]

Whats the height of zuneisha and red line ?

Cause if red line higher then zuinesha then is ot possible that he was walking for 800 years in new world?

[cloud sigil]

I think Xbec will or soul is inside teach(blackbeard). He is the only one with 2 devil fruits and they kind of look similar in appearance and both have the same goal...I got so many theeoies

[tribal wedge]

red line is higher

[tribal wedge]

thats pretty clear at this point. btw its not soul its "will"

[tired osprey]

It's Tama's fruit.
So instead of kibi kibi no mi, it's tsuki tsuki no mi, the moon fruit.

This connection can be seen in the tsukimi dango - 月見団子, the dango of moon watching, that are meant to resemble the moon itself.

In the mid-autumn festival, on a specific **full moon **of the lunar calendar, people in Japan eat dangos and watch the full moon.

The animals are attracted to the moon, so they follow Tama.
By giving a dango to a mink, would their primal memories be awakened and would they turn sulong? The primal part of the minks is attracted by the moon.

Tama's fruit, when awakened, could be the power of the moon itself, perhaps without the need for eating a dango. Its previous user could've been the one to order a gigantic animal like Zunesha.

Instead of kibidango, it's tsukimi dango.

written by stoop and me

[cerulean coyote]

Nice!

[tribal wedge]

AH SHIT
could this mean that TAMA is one of the 3 ancient weapons?

[cerulean coyote]

Zunisha is 48k meters

[cerulean coyote]

Unless uranus owner can also control minks. So you exile Zunisha and minks/sulong. Or you exile sulong (who cannot behave) on Zunisha (who was punished). I have to read again passages over sulong training

[wintry lake]

I GOT THE BIGGEST THEORY EVER

zunisha is actually a person, with a permanent zoan fruit, that’s why he looks for someone yo command him, because he cannot go back to human form

Mysterious devil fruit? ZONA MYTHICAL

Mammoth fruit

African elephant idk

[tribal wedge]

Zunesha was ordered to roam by the previous kibi kibi no mi user, who started walking towards WANO on indirect commands from tama.

The fact that Zunesha + Elders were on the same page means that one is related to another, futher supporting your theory.

It also makes sense why the 5 elders were surprised about this because they didn't know where the last of the 3 ancient weapons were - Imu was holding pictures of Shirahoshi and VIVI

Might be a little off but it also explains why when Luffy or somebody asked Tama why she can't just eat her own dangos, she examples it doesnt fill her stomach

Only thing that doesnt make complete sense is how MOMO was also able to order Zunesha

I havent been so hyped for a theory since Artur library of oharas lol

[radiant spruce]

I was just thinking that maybe this is in line with the Poseidon ancient weapon. If Shirahoshi is Poseidon (god of the sea) and can control the sea kings, what if Tama is Uranus (Titan of the sky) and can control the animals in the land and sky? This would explain the latest chapter with zou's reveal and Tama's control over people so far.

[cerulean coyote]

I reached the same conclusion last Friday.

[radiant spruce]

This conclusion would make a lot of sense right?

[cerulean coyote]

It also foster the relations btw them (joyboy apology to poseidon and zunesha punishment to wander). Something happened btw them and they all lost against wg with pluton

[radiant spruce]

Exactly what I was thinking. Maybe even Franky could get involved since he has knowledge of Pluton.

[weak arrow]

doesnt this break the rule of all devil fruit names must be 2 syllables or whatever

[tired osprey]

tsu ki

[cerulean coyote]

Robin flower is two?

[tired osprey]

yeah, ha na

[weak arrow]

oh recency effect blinded me. I saw the tsukimi at the end and thought you were saying it was that

[cerulean coyote]

Doflamingo?

[weak arrow]

every fruit in the entire series so far is 2 syllables in japanese.

[amber oar]

no, "tsu" is a single syllabe (つ or ツ)

[cerulean coyote]

Loool

[weak arrow]

it's also why dinosaurs are ryu which means dragon

[tired osprey]

i to

[cerulean coyote]

Men that Oda is sick

[weak arrow]

I imagine it's why the giraffe fruit is Ox ox model is because of the naming scheme (although idk the japanese word for giraffe)

[amber oar]

dinosaurs are "ryu" because the word for dinosaur is kyoryu

[weak arrow]

yeah but without the limit, it would just be kyoryu

hence why it's evidence oda sticks to the limit

[amber oar]

yup

That's something that confuses the hell of people - why Kaido's DF isn't ryu ryu. Because if you try to give a biological logic, the Azure Dragon is a fish, as it comes from a carp. An imaginary fish that can live in land/air, the same way whales are mammals that live in the sea. And thus it has no business being grouped with dinosaurs.
So people misinterpret that Kaido started off as a carp. But that's probably not the case, his DF is the Azure Dragon, not the carp.

[echo sandal]

I just watched yuderon last theory about chapter 1037 and I was blowing away

Luffy's real DF is nika nika no mi. Its the DF which the 5 wlders was talking about

And Its not rubber, its OIL

[cerulean coyote]

So a Kaido Bolo breath is under 260°C since Luffy does not ignite.

[modest skiff]

It isn't clear to me why an oil devil fruit would give Luffy the properties he has. And his fruit has been out in public eye for a long time, so this doesn't really make any sense. Yuderon is the Denies Lobby of Japan, right?

[echo sandal]

He came up with denise lobby theory yes but You gotta watch his video

[modest skiff]

Link? Is it in English?

[vernal siren]

hey guyswho do yall think is the lurking legends

[mellow sapphire]

I have no idea how someone could see the end of the last chapter and think it's talking about the Gomu Gomu

[echo sandal]

Its in Japanese,turn the subtitles on and set the vid speed to 0.75
https://youtu.be/5PRYZ_oDrTw

[mellow sapphire]

I prefer the "Zou is the origin of Zoan fruits" theory

Or it was an island that ate the Elephant God fruit

[sharp anvil]

They aren't talking about Zunesha

[rapid oar]

that doesnt make any sense

[weak arrow]

@vernal siren we dont allow for troll theories

[opal matrix]

Anyone else fell like it’s the toki toki no mi?

[sharp anvil]

That's what I've been going with

[placid snow]

Am I stupid for thinking this? I've been assuming that the fact Luffy's Red Roc has fire elements is because it's a massive empowerment of Gear 2? Since Gear 2 made his skin hotter and produce steam?

[opal matrix]

It’s either for me the toki toki no mi or laws devil fruit and it’s not like law hasn’t lied in the past.

@placid snow see people are going off the assumption that luffy is lunarian. I just thought he could use fire from friction 🤣

[placid snow]

Yeah, friction or Gear 2 are what I'm thinking. Saying he's 1% Lunarian by heritage doesn't sound that cool to me.

[primal cargo]

Yooo this one is SICK

[opal matrix]

Fuck what I said. This wins

[primal cargo]

Is there any specific ground for animals being attracted to the moon ?

[edgy viper]

Amazing idea, this might be it. Can I use this as supporting evidence for my theory that Tama didn't eat the fruit on accident but on behalf of somebody?

[tired osprey]

ofc

[tired osprey]

same old, moon rabbits, were wolves, etc and dangos are still there for the momotaro connection, just slightly adapted for the moon

[primal cargo]

How would this tie with the overwhelming presence of the symbol of the moon in Wano in particular ? Kozuki, "the moon unaware of the dawn"...
If the theory is true there has to be a very strong connection between the fruit and Wano

[tired osprey]

Yeah, that's the idea. Maybe that is how the fruit remained hidden for so long, it was kept safe by someone (Hitetsukiyaki?) until Tama until ate it.

[versed hamlet]

Further evidence that hitetsu was kozuki sukiyaki too

[amber oar]

Then again why Sukiyaki would give it to a little girl

(unless she stole it while hungry)

[abstract pond]

Why would Sukiyaki not send Orochi to death?

[sharp anvil]

I'm having a hard time understanding why the moon fruit would have anything to do with animals in one piece if we are not talking about Minks.

[tired osprey]

seems to be a common pattern

[sharp anvil]

Also why would that be the power of the moon fruit

[red anvil]

1. Tama’s dango power controls animals. It’s just established as a function of the DF by now.
2. The theory is the real name for Tama’s DF is Tsuki Tsuki no Mi. Literal translation means Moon Moon Fruit. However the name is a play on Tsukimi which refers to the Moon Viewing Festival and Tsukimi dango is a traditional snack for this event.

[sharp anvil]

That's basically the same info from oli

[gloomy canyon]

What do you want me to title the theory as for the pin

[tired osprey]

The moon fruit

[red anvil]

Good job oli, it’s my head canon now

[gloomy canyon]

alright it's pinned

[tired osprey]

thanks evan!

[versed hamlet]

oli what happened to your theory about the tsuku tsuku no mi

[gloomy canyon]

That's actually really interesting tho oli

[oak mortar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PRYZ_oDrTw just turn the subtitles on and slow down the speed to your liking. the theory is amazing. loads of effort.

[silver sphinx]

watched it. i don't even know what to believe anymore

[primal cargo]

Is this oil Luffy again ?

[oak mortar]

its really good

[silver sphinx]

i just can't see oil having the same properties as how luffy used his powers

i need to see some oil stretching and shit

[opal matrix]

Since when the fuck does oil stretch unless heat is involved and it technically expands

[primal cargo]

Luffy is rubber like idk what to tell you that's the premise for the entire series

[oak mortar]

what kind of insulators are theres beside rubber?
vinyl,glass, plastic, wood ,paper, oil,pure water,freon ,porcelain, marble and more
surprisingly, it has the same properties as "gomu gomu"
A substance that stretches softly, becomes hard and ignites that is OIL(ability of superhuman oil constitution)
oil can be a liquid, a solid, or a gas like "water"
and for some reason, luffy's burning though it is "rubber"

luffy's body stretches because it is a viscous liquid "oil"
It is the insulator oil that does not allow luffy to recieve an electric shock, luffy doesnt get flames because his body is heat resistant oil
because it is oil that luffy ignites and emits smoke, Luffys body is "oil(fat)"

[silver sphinx]

the oil explains luffy's fire ability easily

but i don't remember oil stretching

the only think i saw is that most rubber used today is made out of crude oil

[oak mortar]

the word viscous is defined as having a thick, sticky consistency between solid and liquid; having a high viscosity

that is stretchy

[silver sphinx]

fair i guess. i think it'll be difficult for the fanbase to accept

[placid snow]

But Luffy is stretchy and solid. Not stretchy and tacky

[oak mortar]

here thats viscous oil. remind you of something?

[silver sphinx]

yes

cum

[oak mortar]

oil also is a solid! and viscous is also solid!

[sharp anvil]

Closer to gum gum

[oak mortar]

also this can also be a foreshadow
Usopps lie in episode 909 when the wano country edition began "maybe its gama oil"

[silver sphinx]

so Charlotte Galette is the closest person to have a fruit similar to Luffy's then. https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Bata_Bata_no_Mi

[placid snow]

Ok, let's say Luffy is oil. Why was he immune to Enel's DF and the Mink's Electro? Why hasn't he caught fire yet?

[oak mortar]

because oil also contain the same insulators as rubber! equally as immune to electricity

[primal cargo]

You don't get it that's because Luffy is fire-resistant oil. Fire-resistant oil that can ignite of course

[silver sphinx]

a google search will tell you that not all oil is flammable

[oak mortar]

also the whole water and oil thing. why luffy doesnt die in water!?!?! well oil doesnt dissolve and separate in water!!!!

[placid snow]

Ok, then if he's oil, shouldn't he float on water?

He still sinks

[oak mortar]

but doesnt die

[pure raven]

Wouldn't oil making him more liquidy

[mystic crown]

Oil has a lighter density

[sharp anvil]

Whattabout when he almost died sinking during the Arlong fight

[silver sphinx]

if he's rubber, shouldn't he float on water?

[oak mortar]

even if he was rubber he would float xD

[sharp anvil]

They stretched his head to the surface. Don't think he is surviving underwater. The sea hates devil users that is why they sink.

[silver sphinx]

all devil fruits, no matter what abilities you have, will force you to sink underwater

[placid snow]

But Brook can float as long as he doesn't stop running

[silver sphinx]

Brook exists outside of reality's limits

[oak mortar]

but doesnt die because oil doesnt dissolve and separate in water therefore luffy is unable to die in water!

[placid snow]

Now I'm starting to think that Luffy can float in theory. If he inflates himself first that is. That's how rubber flotation devices work.

[sharp anvil]

Still sinks

[oak mortar]

soo luffy is heat resistant, electricity resistant and water resistant!?! and he has techniques of guns, pistols, bazooka, gatling? and guess what all those weapons need. enjin oil. and then the whole gear concept. what do gears need? engine oil!

[sharp anvil]

He also activates those gears by becoming like a balloon

[oak mortar]

but ultimately i dont think that his fruit is called oil oil no mi lol. i believe that the fruit is the nika nika no mi. as the picture of Nika having a soft rubbery looking body but with the hair of forever going fire that keeps on burning because of ....oil 🙂

[silver sphinx]

man does look like a candlestick

[sharp anvil]

His hair resembles that in snakeman already

[oak mortar]

yeah a little!

[oak mortar]

pahahaha butter fruit 🤣

also The relationship between "flame" Ace, sabo and "oil" luffy is established! sun god Nika. soft rubbery viscous body with flaming hair

[rapid oar]

does anybody else think that if luffy defeats kaido, kaido will follow luffy

[silver sphinx]

no

i think Kaido won't follow him, like how Crocodile or Doffy doesn't follow him

i do believe that they may fight on the same side against the same enemy though

he actually might kill himself, you never know

[abstract pond]

I really wish right now Luffy is half lunarian to explain the fire in the techniques so it's not oil xd

[leaden trench]

Luffy is oil? 👀

America be like

[oak mortar]

yeah also wondering if theres a foreshadow of oden being killed by kaido by boiling oil is a reflection of how kaido will get defeated by oil itself 😮

[abstract pond]

I don't understand the point of changing Luffy entire premise for oil

[mystic crown]

This chat is off with the fairies

[leaden trench]

Y'all too deep watch out don't get drowned

[oak mortar]

i dont understand as well the premise because im not oda. but an unawakenned devil fruit? rubber being the potential of another devil( if that is the fruit) if its name isnt gomu gomu. well what has the same properties as rubber. or what are insulators of rubber. oil is one of them

[abstract pond]

But why would oil be "the fruit of the legends", that never has awakened in centuries.

[oak mortar]

because it can forever burn flames as the picture of nika's hair

[fickle chasm]

nika a man or woman

[abstract pond]

but it's just oil....

[silver sphinx]

Personally, I think there are too many holes that need a lot of twisting to explain why Luffy's DF is the legendary one they're talking about. I think it might be Dragon's DF who is labeled as the "most wanted criminal" in the world. I think that title belongs to someone holding a legendary DF. The WG might not have known Dragon awakened it until he made a move to save Sabo. He might've come to Wano on Zunesha with the Revolutionary Army and the minks. Idk what Dragon's goals are but he might be asking for help to save Sabo. That would also provide backup to face against the Marines just outside of Wano since no one on Onigashima is ready to face them now. It's also fitting that another dragon is here in Wano.

[fickle chasm]

zunesha v awakened kaido

[oak mortar]

nika is a man in one piece but nike is the female goddess of victory in greek mythology

[blazing fable]

Why does anyone think it’s lifts fruit they’re talking about? They’re looking directly at zuenisha when they say it AND they’ve known about luffy and the Gomu Gomu no Mi for years

[abstract pond]

the greek one is Niké

[fickle chasm]

fr fr

[oak mortar]

yeah thats it

[silver sphinx]

it's two separate conversations though: that marine wasn't talking to the Gorosei about Zunesha

[abstract pond]

I'm 99.99% luffy's df is not oil oil. It would be more like a logia/Katakuri.

[oak mortar]

its not oil oil no mi

[oak mortar]

#manga-theories message thats the theory take it with a grain of salt and just below the link is more explanation

[blazing fable]

I don’t think it is, they’re on the radio talking directly to the gorosie

[abstract pond]

I don't have 20 minutes to watch it. Can't you name what the fruit is?xd

[oak mortar]

nika nika no mi

[fickle chasm]

bro luffy has the gomu gomu no mi that is it

[silver sphinx]

guys, Oda has spoken

[oak mortar]

what he say?

[fickle chasm]

if luffy had this op fruit it would defeat the whole "he always bounces back when he gets knocked down"

[silver sphinx]

bro luffy has the gomu gomu no mi that is it

[fickle chasm]

plus it will further push that luffy is destined for greatness from the beginning cause of his op fruit

and not prove that hard work and determination will get u to ur dreams luffy worked hard to master his rubber fruit i dont want it to be some op nika nika fruit relating him to some sun god

[silver sphinx]

well if luffy is joyboy then all that hardwork goes out the window anyways

[oak mortar]

#manga-theories message

[silver sphinx]

oil vs water also fits thematically too

[abstract pond]

Is that a character that exist in any mythos? And what relation has with rubber/oil?

[oak mortar]

#manga-theories message

[modest skiff]

Luffy’s devil fruit being the one the Gorosei are referring to makes no sense since they have been aware of Luffy having it for a long time

[oak mortar]

and depending on how we read the panels in the chapter. the gorosei might be afraid of the awakenning of the fruit

[modest skiff]

Nothing would give them that impression now rather than previously

[blazing fable]

Well seeing as they weren’t concerned about anybodys devil fruit until the WG ship said omg it’s an elephant I feel like it has to do with zuniesha or maybe something happening around zuniesha

So if the WG didn’t know about Zou, where do they think minks come from?

[modest skiff]

Zunesha was behind the ship and Onigashima was in front of them. It is possible they were referring to Onigashima as the island and the conversation about the devil fruit was related to Zunesha. A lot of things about those panels aren't 100% clear

[versed hamlet]

they were talking about onigashima.

[placid snow]

I'm trying to think and CP0 reporting back to the Gorosei would be the only way they learn anything. So what would make sense from that perspective?

[abstract pond]

I don't buy it. It just makes no sense like oil oil xd

[oak mortar]

the gomu gomu is a legend. its nothing but a legend correct? it hasnt awakened in centuries. and do we have proof of the gorosei knowing about the gomu gomu is luffys fruit?

[blazing fable]

I shall read it again and reevaluate my position

[oak mortar]

i mean i think everyone knows that luffy has rubber fruit

[modest skiff]

The gorosei having up to the minute information from Wano, but not knowing Luffy has his devil fruit? Its totally inconceivable

[oak mortar]

maybe or maybe theres a reason they didnt realize until now!

[placid snow]

I don't think CP0 has eyes on the Luffy/Kaido fight but they saw Tama giving buns to the Gifters right?

[amber oar]

I mean everyone and their mother saw Luffy in Marineford. And a considerable amount of people from all organizations in Dressrosa. And then a CP agent in WCI.

At this point the Elders would have to be incredibly negligent to not know Luffy's df

[modest skiff]

You could say "maybe" for any possible situation if you have an extremely low requirement of evidence. But we don't have any incentive to discuss anything that is technically possible. We could discuss a wide variety of totally nonsense theories if we let our metric just be "is this technically possible, despite no evidence"

[oak mortar]

evidence or hints? going in with a hint maybe being because the gomu was at the time taken by cp9 and got robbed by shanks. devil fruit of great importance. or imu's pictures and destroying a light that is luffy

im going off hints

[blazing fable]

So I may have went a lil to specific but the guy on the ship is definitely looking at zou and probably talking to gorosie. It’s WG ships

[modest skiff]

Devil fruit being stolen, after being known as important, is evidence against it being this fruit being discussed by the gorosei, not evidence in favor of it. If it was as important as they are saying in that panel, they would have killed Luffy on the spot as a child

[red anvil]

If Who’s Who can find out about Luffy eating the Rubber Rubber Fruit in prison, I don’t see how Gorosei won’t know about Luffy

[oak mortar]

how is that not important? and also imu maybe relating to the 4 picture being luffy blackbeard vivi and shirahoshi, and now the world govt(not the marines!) is with luffy...... sounds a little weird as well

[sharp anvil]

The gorosei saying that it is legend even to them means renaming the fruit may have worked all the way up until right now.

[modest skiff]

They also say the fruit was a legend, even to them, but they have known about the gomu for many years, since they had it in their possession recently. There's no way a fruit could be a legend and also in their possession

[sharp anvil]

And the only reason it is different now. Is every past user except Luffy probably thought it was useless.

Until they decided to have it protected

[oak mortar]

yeah and thats where the 'maybes' are! this is where we both cannot know
they also seem surprise about it

[tepid jolt]

the eraser in jaapnese is keshigomu

[modest skiff]

Where is the room for maybe? They directly say it is a legend to them. But they also had it in their possession. Those are fundamentally at odds. It can't be the gomu, not even maybe

[versed hamlet]

No, the ships are going in the same direction as zunesha, forwards. He says "up ahead" as in whatever he's looking at is infront of the ship, making it not zunesha. He even goes to say its an island so its obviously onigashima.

[blazing fable]

Look at the flags in each picture, it’s blowing away from him and towards the front of the ship

Zou is also an island

[modest skiff]

When you look at Zunesha, you don't see an "island", you see an enormous elephant. Or you see extremely high pillars. I don't think it is possible to see Zunesha in fog and think "is that an island?"

[blazing fable]

Or a floating island till you can tell there’s legs

[versed hamlet]

You dont know that zou is an island just by looking at it. you need outside information about it.

You would see the elephants giant head before anything too

[oak mortar]

if it was a legend even for them but theyve given it another name in the past where the fruit wouldnt even matter for them during the series, theres a possibility it could be the gomu and maybe now they know the true name of it!! but it was hidden through the gomu gomu name.(thats the room for 'maybe')

[blazing fable]

Kinda like you’d see a giant skull before you saw an island

[versed hamlet]

Well no not for onigashima. youre looking at that island from the bottom up

so all youd see is the giant island in the sky and im sure from their angle its hard to make out anything besides a giant dome

[blazing fable]

You can see in the panels which direction the WG guy is looking, ignore how it’s drawn if you want to but it generally matters

[sharp anvil]

To add they may have lost track of it and protect a number of fruits. They also talk as if they were careless in the past. Also if the fruit was hidden in plain site there may have been users who had it, but they deemed it useless and didn't put in the hard work Luffy has.

[blazing fable]

Also the gorosie aren’t talking to cp0 because they don’t know the status of nico robin

[sharp anvil]

They could be just banking on Luffy being another hidden in plain sight fruit user, but he isn't. Probably only worried if Shanks ate it

[oak mortar]

thats also another good point

[oak mortar]

as if the world govt would say ...... oh yeah its just some guy whos made out of rubber..... who cares 🤣

also the cover of one piece vol1 is this. on the tip of the boat is the greek goddess of victory. nike(nika)

[sharp anvil]

I think the sun pirates tattoo says alot and how Jinbei chose Luffy

[oak mortar]

care to explain?

[wanton needle]

Sun God Nika parallels? @sharp anvil

[sharp anvil]

Oh the fishman tattoos cover up slave tattoos and it is a tattoo of the sun

Jinbei also hates being called a slave

Nika is known as the sun God because that's how the slaves refer to him

I'm mixing something up btw

Trying to find it lol I was talking about hyogoro saying he looks like a god

The red hawk in episode 982

https://youtu.be/lwwKFS2jrIg

[grand walrus]

not my theory but it is interesting

it's a theory for ants

[weak arrow]

Yeah, I've theorized that Kid's devil fruit could interfere with the log poses and magnetic fields of the island and played around with the idea of this fruit causing a huge uproar in society and that's why Shanks was warning the gorosei about Kid, but this dialogue from them imo doesn't really fit Kid's fruit.

Momo stayed behind on Zunesha while half the strawhats went to WCI and conversed with Zunesha. Thus it's very reasonable that Momo had already lead Zunesha to near Wano as a ride, and then he and the minks just sailed from zunesha to wano in like an hour. Zunesha could have sensed Momo struggling or something and came to help or Momo ordered him to be on standby to deal with intruders during the fateful hour.

[grand walrus]

makes a lot of sense. It explains zunesha. however, what about the devil fruit talk? I am still unclear on how closely it relates to their conversation

[red anvil]

We did confirm both Kid and Law’s DF awakening during the battle

[weak arrow]

Well the issue is Oda was extremely vague. Awakening could either mean devil fruit awakening or just that the fruit hasn't been seen in years, the latter as a follow-up statement that the fruit is a legend.

[red anvil]

No the raws were clear that it was a DF awakening

[smoky sleet]

Yes

[weak arrow]

They were not. There have been 3 different variations of how awakening have been used and i doubt someone is gonna reread the whole manga to see if that wordage was ever used elsewhere.

[grand walrus]

one counter to kidds devil fruit beinng the one they refer to is that what possible name for it could there be? the awakening likes up with the original power and i dont understand how hiding the name does anything. My guess about the devil fruit is that awakening does something not expected from the name. for example, if they are talking about luffys fruit, besides turning the body to gum, the awakening could do something really extraordinary like reverse the effects of other fruits??

[red anvil]

https://imgur.com/a/0EptO2R

[grand walrus]

i agree that it could go either way. if they are referring to a devil fruit nobody heard about it could be tokis fruit cause nobody saw it for 800 years

[weak arrow]

I've already discussed this with others. 2 times devil fruit awakening has had brackets. 3 times it's had quotes. And 1 time it's had absolutely nothing.

You'd have to reread the whole entire manga looking for that wordage and make sure it wasnt used anywhere else to actually prove the point.

[chilly forge]

[weak arrow]

just to give you an idea

[muted ember]

It looks like the Kanji matches the other uses

[lapis anvil]

Bro when is chapter 1038 going to release

[weak arrow]

So if you can prove those exact characters aren't used throughout the entire manga except when talking about devil fruit awakening, then you have a case

[weak arrow]

like 11 days

[smoky sleet]

Oh that explains how Black Beards and sugars fruit had multiple powers might be that they were awakened as you said

[weak arrow]

also this is not the channel to ask

[sly juniper]

wait what was the context for Crocodile talking about awakening?

[grand walrus]

the jailers at impel down

the big beefy zoams who recovered quickly, the basis for everyone thinking onigashima might go another round

[coral python]

We’re they any panels showing who witnessed the awakenings of kid and law?

[weak arrow]

No, but it's safe to say that one CP0 member is still getting info.

[sly juniper]

here?

[coral python]

One of those communicator things could have seen it esp with it involving bm

[sly juniper]

wondering how it was translated back then

[weak arrow]

I would not be surprised if toki's fruit, law's awakening, kid's awakening, yamato's fruit, tama's fruit and chopper's fruit have been reported on

[weak arrow]

No. It's before marineford

in impel down

he is the one who let the readers know the 4 jailors there were awakened

[sly juniper]

yeah this panel is from Impel Down

[grand walrus]

no it was at impel down, they were referring to the animal guards who they had previously beat. they recovered and croc was saying awakened zoans can recover fast

[sly juniper]

oooh

[coral python]

My bets are they are talking about Toki or tamas fruit. I bet it was called an ancient weapon before when it was used

[sly juniper]

thank you!

[coral python]

Surely king has to have awakened his fruit then

[weak arrow]

apparently not.

[coral python]

That’s so dawg 😂

[grand walrus]

i think kings fruit is awakened because katakuris is. but at least kaidos should be. in any case, if there is going to be an awakening twist, oda is not gonna make any reference to until the last moment because if he mentions it nobody will care if anyone beats anyone with a zoan right now

so we cant know and we will got zero clues anyway lol

[coral python]

That’s true. I expect all the Tobi roppo to be aswell tbh

We’re the jailers normal zoans?

[muted ember]

Yes

[coral python]

Ancients might be different

Like the alternate hunting. Kings head lasers

[grand walrus]

but why doesnt oda just say it

it would be hype too, he must either mean that they are not awakened amd only kaido is, or he is keeping it a secret

[coral python]

Probably a secret.

I think another party is going to come and disrupt everything or something will happen so it doesn’t just end with luffy vs kaido

[grand walrus]

i still think luffy versus kaido needs to be resolved otherwise whats the point

[coral python]

Yeah ofcourse

[silver sphinx]

Awakening must be extremely important to the story for Oda to keep underwraps

[grand walrus]

it could just be that only kaido is awakened, and there is no twist coming just another powerup for kaido only. maybe a round 2 bersus kaido luffy or multiple opponents

[silver sphinx]

Well i don’t think kaido will awaken mid fight. Zoan awakenings are like a passive ability that automatically make you stronger from what we know.

I also don’t think Oda is going to drag out kaido’s fight any longer with an awakening.

[grand walrus]

oh i see, that is a good point. so the passive ability would activate some point in the future

[silver sphinx]

Possibly. Our knowledge is still limited tho.

[muted ember]

It's not passive Kaido will definitely have another form

[silver sphinx]

But I do think kaido will have some relevance after the fight. Like some lore drop.

[silver sphinx]

He reverts back to a fish. It’s his ultimate form.

[grand walrus]

for big mom and kaido we assume they are awakened. but oda doesnt say it. maybe he thinks it is not somethinng they would mention because they are top rank fighters that use awakening for many many years already?

[silver sphinx]

I think he’ll say something once awakenings become more relevant to the story conversation. Like now when the gorosei are talking about awakening.

[muted ember]

They just haven't used them yet

[grand walrus]

what is white beard awakening? did he ever use it?

he certainly never mentioned it despite being in a life or death battle

[silver sphinx]

No but we might see Blackbeard use the quake quake no mi’s awakening.

[muted ember]

Kaido's only just now getting serious

[silver sphinx]

Or perhaps Vegapunk could manually awaken a fruit.

[grand walrus]

maybe the awakening is too destructive and white beard is a nice guy, i guess that is a possibel explanation. i think it was mentioned that white beard could destroy islands

[silver sphinx]

You think there’s gonna be a third party who intrudes on their fight? Like an admiral or CP0?

[smoky sleet]

I think they are waiting for the fight to get over and then ig marines/CP0 will take action

[cyan oyster]

not admiral but probably cp-0

[smoky sleet]

I don't think CP0 can solo the alliance

[silver sphinx]

CP0 are the only ones in here that aren’t tired at all from fighting.

[wanton needle]

Fought Drake

[cyan oyster]

i mean we stilll do know their strength, wait u mean Ninja-Pirate-Mink-Samurai Alliance r?

[silver sphinx]

I think they’re gonna take what they want and peace out.

[grand walrus]

from the OP wiki(pls forgove if wrong): "According to Sengoku, Whitebeard had the power to destroy the world."

[silver sphinx]

I like to imagine Rob Lucci is waiting outside on the ships.

[zinc flame]

I could see them going after Nico robin and trying to get away in the aftermath of all the fights

[smoky sleet]

Nope straw hat+law+kid+samurais I mean it's not official but

[wanton needle]

Its gonna be epic just trying to get out of Wano rn

And the end of the arc

[grand walrus]

WG gonna get squashed. zunisha not living past end of series

[silver sphinx]

The only way they don’t do that is if Dragon and the RA are on Zunesha with the minks and they’re gonna help fight the marines and CP0.

At the very least, the minks are here to help fight.

[wanton needle]

This theory right here 👀

[grand walrus]

i think it was mentioned that zunesha is nearing the end of her life. sadly, she might die before end of series. could she die fighting WG?

[silver sphinx]

Perhaps. Maybe while even trying to stop Onigashima falling onto Wano with her body.

[smoky sleet]

Whoa yes maybe

[muted ember]

The minks are in the raid already

[silver sphinx]

That would give resolution to her son since she died trying to protect Momo, the only one who could order her around.

[silver sphinx]

Yeah but I doubt all the minks are there

[smoky sleet]

Not all

[grand walrus]

and momo is the reason that wano is saved. so momo does achieve the impossible despite being a little boy with little power. it makes sense because momos biggest asset is his leadership

[wanton needle]

Watch pedro be on zunesha

[muted ember]

If there's still minks on Zunesha it's probably just elders and kids

[zinc flame]

Lindbergh is the only mink I can think of in the RA. So there’s definitely a connection

[grand walrus]

ok thats fine then blow it up

[smoky sleet]

Ig we'll see some powerful for momo since now he is no longer a small boy,he's 28 now and i don't think they still show that old crybaby momo with a adult body

[silver sphinx]

It’ll be also cool to see Momo’s relationship with the minks now that’s he’s grown up. Especially after the war where he’ll be mentally mature and leader-like.

[grand walrus]

he is still portrayed as a weak kid though

[reef sandal]

he's still internally like 12

a child in one piece can be a leader but one battle won't eliminate all his character flaws (hopefully)

[silver sphinx]

And since Momo could command Zunesha, IF she’s still alive after the war, Momo could command Zunesha to stay near Wano. Fostering a relationship between Wano and Zou is the first step to opening up Wano’s borders since they already have a good relationship.

[muted ember]

He's 8

[reef sandal]

oh lmao

[silver sphinx]

Honestly though, I kinda wanna see a giant long legged elephant in the background during the final war so I’m hoping Zunesha lives until then.

[reef sandal]

it would be a powerful asset at the very least

[smoky sleet]

when do u think there will be a timeskip cause i dont think it'll be after wano

[versed hamlet]

And when kid talks about it in 1030 he uses the same brackets as doffy.

[reef sandal]

i don't think there'll be another timeskip except to an epilogue

[versed hamlet]

As you can see here.

[reef sandal]

it seems like a poor writing decision

[smoky sleet]

his brain is 8 yrs old but his body is 28 now after shinobu used ripe ripe no mi on him

[reef sandal]

yeah but leadership is in the heart, not the body

[silver sphinx]

Maybe like a mini one so everyone can recuperate. The story would refocus back to reverie, Sabo, etc. It’s slow things down. But it wouldn’t be longer than a few months, if that.

[muted ember]

Yea i was just correcting dude that said he was 12 mentally

[smoky sleet]

hmmm you r right

[reef sandal]

yeah thanks for that i wasn't sure

[grand walrus]

i think we will not have a time skip before laugh tale

the biggest clue is toki sending them forward 20 years

now is the time to visit laugh tale. this year

[grand walrus]

yeah max a few months

[smoky sleet]

i just cant digest the fact that luffy will become pirate king in just 2 yrs

[silver sphinx]

Nah, the final war will take at least a year to make but i expect Elbaf to be a long arc before that.

And then whatever lore dump that takes place after the war and finally laugh tale.

Or whenever you want Luffy to go to Laugh Tale. Could be right after elbaf and before the final war.

[reef sandal]

that seems like it could take two years

[smoky sleet]

hmmm thats better ig roger also took time because at that time people were unaware of One piece and were like roaming around

[reef sandal]

if the remaining two acts of wano are hella short that is

[smoky sleet]

you think there'll be more acts 👀

[reef sandal]

isn't it 5 acts? am i imagining that?

[silver sphinx]

I’d give it at least 3 and less than 5

[reef sandal]

i heard it like thirdhand so ig i wouldn't be surprised if it's false

[silver sphinx]

Yeah it is five

The last act is super short tho. More like an epilogue.

[reef sandal]

i haven't read wano yet and i assume it's said in that

[silver sphinx]

wut

[reef sandal]

like i watched wano

and then i read to catch up, but i havent read the part i watched

[silver sphinx]

so you are caught up in the manga?

[reef sandal]

i read to reverie and then watched til 1002 and then read to 1035 or whatever it was at the time
yeah i'm caught up

[smoky sleet]

same

[silver sphinx]

Oki cool. I was dumbfounded there for a second

[reef sandal]

yeah my fault, bad wording

[silver sphinx]

I haven’t watched the anime for the past five weeks.

I might wait to binge when they adapt chap 1000

So like in 7 weeks

[smoky sleet]

good bc last 2 eps where meh

[reef sandal]

yeah i don't get why they're going so slow when there's so much material to adapt

it's goddamn gorgeous but they don't need that much leeway

[smoky sleet]

yay waiting for that i hope they complete the chapter in one ep🤞

[smoky sleet]

and when oda is taking leaves ,they should just improve the pacing now

[reef sandal]

idk about that

[smoky sleet]

980-1000 was dope

[reef sandal]

when oda takes leaves is when they get cautious i think, cause it's a slower stream of material to adapt

[silver sphinx]

Well they’re about a year behind in material to adapt.

[reef sandal]

well yeah but still they should be speeding up whenever the stream is steady, just on principle

[silver sphinx]

Also there’s a movie coming up in the summer.

[reef sandal]

yeah i'm hyped

[smoky sleet]

yeah atleast adapt 1.5/1 chapter each ep 1005 was like 1/2 chapter

[smoky sleet]

is it canon?

[reef sandal]

i just haven't watched the past three or so

[reef sandal]

i assume we won't know without confirmation

it'll probably include canon events

like shanks getting the eye scar and dueling with mihawk and whatever

[smoky sleet]

idk how shanks will be involved ig he'll be not shown directly

[reef sandal]

what

the movie is about him tho

[silver sphinx]

Well here’s the thing. Since shanks is in it, we might have to see Luffy and shanks interact. But Oda won’t show that in a movie, unless he shows it in the manga first. So Luffy may see Shanks soon.

[silver sphinx]

Even if it is shanks, I don’t think Oda will approve anything without Luffy, the MC as the focus of the story.

[reef sandal]

i do tho, cause we haven't seen shanks' rise depicted and there wouldn't really be much of an opening for that in the manga

[smoky sleet]

I was saying that they might show some of his past duels or his start of piracy or some character related to him but not present shanks

[reef sandal]

oh yeah i would tend to agree with that

[silver sphinx]

Indeed. That’s what I hope for.

[reef sandal]

cause we know how present shanks is doing more or less

[silver sphinx]

Maybe the Oden backstory was a test to see how readers would feel about how Luffy isn’t the main focus of the story.

[reef sandal]

yeah how did one piece do in the jump rankings while that was happening?

[silver sphinx]

No idea mate

[reef sandal]

i for one found it to be bangeristic

[pure raven]

Ok so hear me out and y’all can’t tell me this isn’t a possibility. What if Blackbeard ate whitebeards ass to get the gura gura no mi powers?

[reef sandal]

that doesn't sound like a serious theory

[smoky sleet]

show respekt to the dead comrade

[silver sphinx]

Alright it seems this is the point where I go to sleep finally.

[reef sandal]

sleep well, i'll also be off i think

[silver sphinx]

Nice talking with y’all. See yous later.

[smoky sleet]

oyasumi

[tardy pumice]

Idk about canibalism. I think it has to be a property of the yame yame no mi. If you want a weird hypothesis, maybe the yame yame isn't the real name of the fruit and Teach is lying about it. Teach maybe knew that the fruit was given a different name and what it really does and spent a long time looking for it and took a gamble on it being said fruit that somehow allows him to absorb other devil fruit powers and somehow shanks is aware of this and warned the gorosei during the reverie. But i'm probably 120% way off like always.

[smoky sleet]

but everyone witnessed him absorbing whiteBeards powers in marineford

so i dont think shanks said that to elders

[tardy pumice]

You're right, but someone has to be lying about the name of their devil fruit. Law?

[placid snow]

Isn't cannibalism how Big Mom got her DF powers?

[tardy pumice]

It's implied. But not out right stated.

[reef sandal]

it could be that the lady died and her power went into a nearby fruit which linlin then ate

[placid snow]

In any case I'm betting my chips on the "Blackbeard has multiple souls" theory.

[reef sandal]

yeah that seems like the least crackpot one

[tardy pumice]

I've always found it weird that the yame yame no mi is a logia, but doesn't behave as such.

[reef sandal]

well it's like
it does, but the elemental transformation just attracts the damage to you so it's basically useless

[tardy pumice]

If one assumes that Zunishia is the devil fruit user the gorosei are talking about, that would suggest that devil fruits predate the void century and would invalidate any theories that assume that devil fruits came from the void century because Zunishia is at least 1000 years old.

[reef sandal]

that's a really weird assumption imo given the sbs with zunesha's elephant species explained and the lack of people even paying attention to zunesha in that panel

[tardy pumice]

im not saying i believe it, but that would be a consequence of someone else believing it. Which rules it out as a possibility for me. Wasn't aware of the SBS either, so that definitely rules that out.

[reef sandal]

i wonder if dinosaurs in the one piece world actually work like the ancient zoan dfs or if they're just lying and it's funny

[red anvil]

Zunesha is in constant contact with the sea

[reef sandal]

i don't see your point

[tardy pumice]

Playing devil's advocate here, but one could make the argument that most of Zunishia body is above water.

[reef sandal]

yeah if zunesha was a df eater it would still be able to move but it would be unable to use active powers

[tardy pumice]

But, I'm convinced now that Zunishia is definitely a red haring.

[reef sandal]

passive powers like permanent transformation would still be in effect

and if a zoan transformation was made before going in the water then it wouldn't revert (pretty sure)

[red anvil]

Losing all strength would make Zunesha not able to walk

[tardy pumice]

I'm probably wrong, but I thought that devil fruit users only lose their strength when they are mostly submerged in water

[hearty arch]

Wait a sec i just realized there there cant be devil fruit of sea creatures

[hearty arch]

No, theh just drown

[reef sandal]

you need over half submersion to lose all physical strength, partial only counteracts the df ability

i thought that one was pretty obvious

[modest skiff]

https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Sara_Sara_no_Mi,_Model:_Axolotl

[reef sandal]

tbf axolotls are amphibious

[modest skiff]

Jack is fishman and he didn't drown, he just got extremely weak. That's why he had to be recovered after Zunesha dumpstered him

[reef sandal]

presumably same would be true of vander decken IX

[modest skiff]

People end up drowning because being submerged in the ocean as a devil fruit user makes you very weak. We don't know whether or not Zunesha ate a devil fruit, partially because an incredibly small part of their body is submerged. We don't really know how much sea submersion it takes to weaken someone

[reef sandal]

well it's not incredibly small due to the length of its legs, also i'm pretty sure there was confirmation on specific depth of submersion in an sbs. feel free to check, i could be wrong

[modest skiff]

As a % of Zunesha's total body, an extremely small % is submerged. But who knows, we just don't have that kind of information. If you can it in an sbs, I'd be interested to see it. But I think its just an unknown at this point

[tardy pumice]

I reject Zunishia being what they are talking about, because I don't believe devil fruits were in circulation in the one piece world prior to the void century.

[reef sandal]

i'll get on that, brb

[modest skiff]

We don't really have any reason to think one way or the other. Anything regarding the history of devil fruits will just be headcanon

[red anvil]

It's vol 83 sbs

[tardy pumice]

No, you're right. Because of my head cannon, I personally don't believe zunishia is an entity that ate a devil fruit.

Assuming, the marine was looking in a different direction from zunishia, then that really narrows things just a little bit. Gonna have to look at the last page again, maybe it's possible to figure out what direction he's looking at

[reef sandal]

about the amount of submersion, i couldn't find an sbs but i remembered an example, being in ryugu palace when the water is rising brook loses strength as the water gets to around his chest level, and luffy doesn't loses strength when water is up to his thighs in boa hancock's bath

so that's a range with the middle being around half submersion

[reef sandal]

there was an ominous looking shadow in front of the navy ships in like the exact previous panel

yeah it's pretty silly to say that since we see the fronts of the ships pointing away from zunesha in last panel

[tardy pumice]

This is weird. IF the shadow is in front, why is Zunishia in the back?? wtf!!?

Maybe they're not even aware zunshia is behind them?

then what are they looking at?

[reef sandal]

whatever the ominous shadow is
i thought this was already established

[red anvil]

Now that I look at it again, the flags are pointing the wrong direction.
In the last panel the wind direction is blowing and sails are full billow.
In the panel with the reporting marine, if the wind direction is the same then he is indeed looking straight at Zunesha

[tardy pumice]

The guy must be staring backwards, so he is seeing zunishia

[cyan oyster]

ahh ok ok

[reef sandal]

oh i didn't even notice the flags

that makes so much more sense now

he did say up ahead when he should have said behind

[tardy pumice]

From the scouts perspective, zunishia is in front of him even though he's looking backwards. I see now.

You really do have to pay attention to the flaping flags

[shut finch]

In the first panel that is Wano ahead of them, not Zunesha

[reef sandal]

unconfirmed

valid interpretation until more info is available tho

maybe even likely

[tardy pumice]

The wind is in the direction towards wano

[reef sandal]

we don't know that's wano tho

[tardy pumice]

the scout is therefore looking backwards

[shut finch]

Chapter 910, pages 6-7. It just looks weird but that shadow is indeed just Wano

[reef sandal]

dammit anime
shafted again
i should probably get around to reading early wano huh

[shut finch]

Lol it’s okay I was confused as well until someone else clarified

[tardy pumice]

Now that I think about it more, of course the wind is towards wano, how else could they even sail towards it

[reef sandal]

you can sail against a headwind, it's just really hard

they definitely wouldn't be full in that most recent panel tho

[tardy pumice]

So then maybe you posit that perhaps this shadow is something else, maybe something keeping the borders of wano closed by creating turbulent seas? I'm not sure what to think, other than it being zunishia. idk

[reef sandal]

oh it's def wano now judging by those cloud visuals, i just hadn't seen the first instance of them in the manga because i was watching at that point so i didn't realize it

anyways i gotta sleep now

[tardy pumice]

[modest skiff]

thanks for finding those examples. Feels like maybe 50% is a reasonable threshold. Was that bath seawater? I think there’s supposed to be a distinction between seawater and normal water

[modest skiff]

See ya, good chatting with you

[fallow knot]

In episode 742 sengoku pronounced op op no mi as ope ope no mi. Maybe law's fruit name is operator operator no mi. As he always operates anything within his room.

[red anvil]

Ope is short for operēshon (オペレーション?), the Japanese pronunciation of the English word "operation" (as in, surgical operations).

[fickle chasm]

zunesha v awakened kaido

[runic osprey]

Question
Does the world goverment know about kinemon and the others being sent from a different timeline

[jovial patrol]

U are so right

[harsh yacht]

WG talking about Otama’s df

[runic osprey]

I think theyr talking about toki’s

[austere silo]

what if zunesh ate the df to walk on water

[vital pilot]

Oda explained his legs are long enough to touch the ocean bed.

One thing Oda did is really exposed so many stupid people.

[solar knoll]

Maybe zunesha is an island that ate the long leg elephant fruit lol 😂

[austere silo]

maybe they are not stupid and may have something happening in the future

[vital pilot]

Zunesha is JoyBoy and Island.
Hence he’s an Island boy!!

[red anvil]

The Tama theory just fits so well and into the moon motif of Wano

[vital pilot]

Seastonesage is good at making theory in mr morj reveries. Doesn’t make any now

[lunar violet]

Maybe the fruit they talking about is the toki toki no mi

or the time time fruit

[runic osprey]

Makes the most sense to me. I think the world goverment learned about that kinemon and his gang being sent from the past and they have been cause of the raid thats happening in wano. And they couldn’t believe it cause to them that fruit was a legend.

[mighty raptor]

either toki fruit or tamas fruit, imagine them being awakened tama could literally have humans under her bidding, or for the toki toki fruit its awakening could be sending an entire island in the future, but i think her awakening is her sending people not herself into the future.

[grand walrus]

if u look closely zunesha is behind

they dont see zunesha. the shadow is something else???

no hes looking behind

so zunesha behind the WG ships and wano in front

[inland wave]

the shadow is a moon...Enel is bringing a moon to earth...stuff like that...

also, the specific location that zunesha could be looking for might be a moon, and that's why she's never been able to reach it, cus it's in space. Now however, the moon is descending, and the five elders are panicking and so on.

The power to control moons or smt like that is quite op since it means that you can control the tides and the sea, and that means that a devil fruit is controlling the sea, which makes this theory sound silly

what da ya think ? silly or makes sense ?

[mystic crown]

I mean Controlling the moon is powerful but I dont really see any strong connection for specifically Zunesha to be pursuing the moon. Its a cool concept but I dont know if we will see it

[twin widget]

its pretty kewl but also strange that enel suddenly comes down

[inland wave]

that's just me being silly 🙂

[chilly forge]

look at the small flag, that guy is looking at zou

no hes is looking at zunesha

[red anvil]

Ok we already discussed this

#manga-theories message

[chilly forge]

hm ok

[midnight relic]

Hey guys, did you see arthur's theory from library of ohara ?

I'm convinced he got it right what is one piece

[fading geode]

check your messages

[foggy mountain]

And why does sea look like patterns on Gomu Gomu no mi ?

[cyan berry]

It doesn't

That's just how the sea off the Wano shore looks like

[foggy mountain]

Ok

[abstract pond]

Is that the one where One Piece is a bottle of alcohol?

[midnight relic]

talking like that sounds silly

[abstract pond]

Because it is xd

[midnight relic]

it's a great theory

[agile tangle]

Artur said that the luffy's and Roger's dream is to host the biggest party in the world right?

[midnight relic]

this is already a very famous theory, because once oda said he would like to finish one piece with a party with everyone, and both roger and luffy have a secret dream that makes others laugh

[agile tangle]

I don't know, Roger said I'll be something?

[midnight relic]

and it fits the description

[agile tangle]

Unless he's saying I'll be the host of the biggest party in the world or smth which doesn't really make sense to me

[midnight relic]

roger never wanted to be king of the pirates, he wanted to find the last island, but he had a secret dream that luffy also has, a dream that yamato mentions being in oden's diary and that whenever Luffy will say oda occults

And everyone laughs at it, even Whitebeard laughed if I'm not mistaken

[agile tangle]

Ya but his secret dream begins with then I'll be

[midnight relic]

I'll be the biggest party host in the world

[supple coyote]

What is it????

If u can share the link or something

[midnight relic]

Library of ohara, search on youtube

[silver sphinx]

The latest theory right? Its pretty long but i get the feeling hes just gonna summarized the rest of the video series in one epsiode

[finite osprey]

Watched it, agree it makes a loooot of sense when you watch the whole video

[slate mirage]

I honestly hope it's wrong, because i want to be surprised

[oak mortar]

Gomu" sounds like "gomme", the french word for "eraser", sometime made of rubber-like matter. An eraser is what you use to "erase" something written with a pencil. The fruit that erase history, the gomu gomu no mi.

[smoky sleet]

whoa

[cerulean coyote]

So Luffy awakening will erase everything.

[smoky sleet]

thats why I am not seeing it

[smoky sleet]

but i cant imagine luffy being that smart and spelling his df wrongly

law might tho

[oak mortar]

well i wouldnt say the fruit that erase history, i copy pasted this from someone and also im french so i know this word really well 😛

if it erased history the world govt would of already had its possession centuries ago to erase it. when the world govt can just take the documents of the devil fruit and modify the fruits name xD

[abstract pond]

It's also only rubber the translation. In Spanish is the same with "goma".

[oak mortar]

yeah depends on the langauge

[smoky sleet]

I can only find law a contender whos has this mystery surrounded to him and is smart enough that he could have misspelled his df on purpose.

[abstract pond]

WG must know Law's fruit pretty well at this point.

[oak mortar]

in french: gommer is to
erase, gum, rub out

[smoky sleet]

I think sometimes rubber is confused with eraser too I remember many calling eraser rubber or maybe its just me

[oak mortar]

but oda is filled with surprises he would do something like that of course

think in odas shoes. he loves to be ridiculous 😛

not saying thats the answer but im only implying that he would do something like that 🤣

[smoky sleet]

hmmm but the thing is that df user know the real name of their df but luffy if I recall said everytime says gomu only

[smoky sleet]

ohh

[abstract pond]

No no no

People know the name of the devil fruit after eating because the powers it has or they search it in the devil fruit book

It doesn't come to them magically after eating it

[oak mortar]

interesting yeah i always am curious about this. dont know much about of logic of the book

[abstract pond]

"There is a Devil Fruit Encyclopedia (悪魔の実図鑑 Akuma no Mi Zukan?) that lists the names and powers of all the Devil Fruits. However, only a few of them have illustrations, meaning that most Devil Fruits cannot be identified by their appearance. For example, the Gomu Gomu no Mi and the Yami Yami no Mi had pictures and could be recognized prior to consumption,[29][30] whereas the Awa Awa no Mi and the Ushi Ushi no Mi, Model: Giraffe did not, and could only be identified by the abilities they granted."

[oak mortar]

yeah exactly thats what i dont get soo lets say the answer would be the gomu gomu for the erased devil fruit
it has pictures and its recognized when you consume it but im wondering how it can be changed

[smoky sleet]

I am not able to find the panel in one spandan said in eneis lobby that the df user knows the original name of the fruit the moment he/she eats it

[abstract pond]

Just changing the name in the book? The WG can do that easy peasy

[abstract pond]

That was a mistranslation or something. Has been debunked already

[ancient vault]

There are multiple DF books

[smoky sleet]

oh i didnt know

thanks

[oak mortar]

yeah easy but theres a connection there. the gomu gomu is in the books and luffy calls it the gomu gomu which is my confusion to this

[abstract pond]

looking at the wiki found this that I didn't remember
"According to Kaku and Kalifa, people who have encountered Devil Fruits say that you can feel a strange power coming from them, a heaviness in the air, as if they are an entity from a different world."

[abstract pond]

I don't understand what you mean

[smoky sleet]

yeah thats why makes it confusing like do all the users have to look in the bookk for their fruits name

[oak mortar]

i dont understand anything about this book then xD soo from what i know is that you consume a fruit. you can know its name of the fruit by consuming or not? or you make up a name and put it in the book?

[abstract pond]

"you can know its name of the fruit by consuming or not?" NO

[toxic sage]

Watch yuderons video it talks about it being oil instead of rubber

[abstract pond]

If you get fire powers you know you have the fire fruit. SO you can search the name but it's gonna be fire fire fruit so...xd

[oak mortar]

yeah i know it was amazing

[oak mortar]

this might sound stupid sooo lets say you have the magma fruit and you think its the fire fruit. theres a possibility that this can happen? if you dont look in the book

luffy is dumb anyway im sure he would make that mistake the whole time xD

[smoky sleet]

I too was about to write this but then theres that too like is the description of every fruit is given or its not elaborated yet?

[reef sandal]

there's not a distinction between seawater and freshwater, but there is a distinction between standing water and moving water like rain or waves that are above the normal sea level

[abstract pond]

The name is not important. In wano don't know what the devil fruit are and call it magic or something. But they can still use them without problem. The name just gives you a gemeral idea of the power it has.

[reef sandal]

or more the other way around

[ancient vault]

It doesnt matter really. You‘ll end up jusing magma not fire even if you think u ate the fire fruit

[quaint haven]

My theory on the fruit being duscussed by the goresei: the goresei aren't talking to anyone, the panels with zunesha are separate to the conversation. I also think they are talking about tokis fruit. But I think that it's not because somebody new has it, I think it's because they have been told how kinnemon ect got to the future and mono. The time fruit hasn't respawned so to speak for someone to eat it and if it did reappear after her death it's probably buried under the burnt castle as we've seen fruits respawn to the nearest fruit an a castle will have alot of fruit in its food stores. That's how iv interpreted that conversation. Could also apply to a different unknown fruit but if its a fruit we know tokis fits that narrative perfectly. Her fruit will be just a legend to them.

[smoky sleet]

so that person with tokis fruit is still unknown

?

[quaint haven]

Huh?

I'm saying they are discussing her fruit after learning about mono time travelling. Could also say someone's found it an they are discussing it for that reason but my theory is more they've learnt about mono an are discussing how he got there.

[smoky sleet]

oh so they talking about the fruit only

[quaint haven]

That's my theory. The fruit itself and how it's so rare its just a legend to them

U got to think even if they know about it toki had it for so many years an didn't make a scene while owning it, so they probably don't think it's spawned in like 1000 years

[oak mortar]

ok easyyy then the logic of that book makes loads of sense!

[quaint haven]

But also they know mono has time travelled so they are like... surely it can't be that fruit, it hasn't appeared in soooo long

So that's my theory.

[oak mortar]

Im looking and im also looking at devil fruits comparisons and weaknesses and this is Very interesting! because the ame ame and the mochi mochi are matched, mimicked and surpressed with the gomu gomu no mi
it just makes this foreshadowing about the oil theory because candy and mochi are stretchable and viscous like oil ..... oh oil is also resistance to electricity

[rugged apex]

gol d. roger's sword, named ace is one of the 12 supreme grade swords in the one piece world where do u guys think this sword is rn ?

where do u guys think roger left it ?

out of the 4 known swords of the supreme grades we knew where 2 of them are except shodai kitetsu and ace

yoru is with mihawk, murakumogiri is on whitebeard gravestone

[amber oar]

The comparison with the mochi-mochi is forced as fuck. It's not a DF property, Katakuri was copying Luffy's moves by using his future sight. Any DF involving the manipulation and hardening of a fluid could do the same granted the user has future sight. For example Peros could do it if he had it. And the Ame Ame isn't even canon.

In contrast the Gomu Gomu nullifying electricity is a DF property.

that screenshot looks like a wiki, but not the OP wiki. What is it?

[slim moat]

What's with this oil theory?

[muted ember]

It's dumb

[oak mortar]

its OP wiki on devils fruits

[queen arrow]

it's probaby the weird mobile wiki mode

fandom is a weird website

[amber oar]

Seems like just a night mode

[oak mortar]

its night mode xD

[abstract pond]

Why is people so obsessed with oil lmao

[amber oar]

Americans have a thing with oil

[rustic granite]

This might probably never happen and is absolutely ridiculous but
My Gear 5 theory
Fusion mode: Luffy uses Vulcanisation and starts uhm "rubbing" his body to generate Heat and cover himself in fire.... the rubbing and the heat would also produce static electricity generating electric "sparks" around his body,and finally all this rubbing,might generate Toxic poisonous gases being released from his body
So this new Gear would be a combo of Fire,Electricity and to a certain extent,even Posion..causing devastating attacks to his enemies

This concept is extremely unlikely
But I thought it would be fun to theorise

[slim moat]

Why they have to hide oil df name? Do they fear market crash or something? 🤣 🤣

[amber oar]

They fear an USA invasion

[void juniper]

extremely....indeed

[oak mortar]

nika nika no mi?

[void juniper]

i dont even think gear 5th will exist. the next power up will be the gomu gomu no mi awaken.

[rustic granite]

I mean G5 would sure be real
Since Oda himself said so

[void juniper]

and i just CANT come up with a good use for it... i can just imagine Luffy Jumping all arround like Bellamy xD lmao it would be kindda shitty. i bet oda will amuse me

[void juniper]

have any proof for me please? or just a rumor of a rumor?

[rustic granite]

In SBS 98

[void juniper]

know wich chapter?

[rustic granite]

Volume 98

[void juniper]

thanks, ill look for it !!!

[rustic granite]

no problem

[static needle]

yo

does anyone think hiyori gonna do anything? i refuse to belive she was doing nothing for 20 years??

[weak arrow]

I mean most people think she's gonna kill Orochi. However I think Denjiro is going to stop her from becoming a murderer.

[static needle]

what if denjiro tought her to be a sumaria and she has like a nicee ass devil fruit but shes hiding and waiting to come out at the right time

[weak arrow]

If Denjiro hadn't been MIA for over 20 chapters, I could see her actually doing something, but it's clearly set up imo for Denjiro to do something

[static needle]

factual

[void juniper]

They ask Oda that if Luffy has 4 gears, it is possible that he has a 5th gear. Oda says yes, that the characters live in the present of the author. Oda says that the enemy they must defeat now is the man they call "the strongest in the world". And that now the world (ours) is transitioning from 4G to 5G. He ends by saying "The 'G' stands for 'Gear,' right?"

Resume: its possible, as its not. he never said. YES he will have one.

[rustic granite]

Well his Statement does not indicate that G5 is highly possible

[amber oar]

nika doesn't even mean oil

[void juniper]

nop, it only states that it can be possible. nothing more. If you ask me, my opinion is that he will not have it... the Ryuo haki training is all the power up he will get during wano arc.

[void juniper]

i totally agree with that theory

[rustic granite]

Nah....Despite him fighting Kaido with Advanced CoC rn,it won't be enough
I don't think even G4 would do the job....To beat Kaido,who is an Emperor and the World's Strongest Creature,he does need Gear 5

[void juniper]

CoC'?

[rustic granite]

Plus,no author would just confirm that "YES my MC willl get this powerup" just like that
That would be a spoiler and ruins it for fans when it actually comes out.....But Oda's statements does indicate that G5 is highly likely

[rustic granite]

Color of Conqueors

[void juniper]

I just dont think so. He is just trolling you. well thats my statement, and you made yourself clear too. We will just have to wait and see what happens... If it does happen, it would be during kaido vs luffy fight, theres not other scenary. its in plain climax, so be ready

[slim moat]

Nika is not related oil. May be Nika was arsonist god.

[fickle chasm]

What if the goresei was talking about robins fruit the whole time and it is acc called the create creat fruit meaning she can create whatever she pleases

but it was called hand hand fruit so the user is under the assumption they can only make hands so they only make them

[slim moat]

It's called flower flower fruit. Robin has very high iq. I doubt she missed anything about her df.

You know you can make theories about old story arcs too. Why restrict the theories to only last chapter?

[fickle chasm]

I c

[fickle chasm]

I made one about garps wife being lunarian 2 days ago

[slim moat]

Yeah. But Lunarian is recent thing. You should try older stuff.

[fickle chasm]

Dragons wife is a shandorian

[slim moat]

How?

I mean if it is true, Luffy would've have wings on his back.

[placid snow]

Stole this from another server. What do we think lads?

[fickle chasm]

Tattoo innit and shandorians r pretty important to the story cause jaya and that

[quaint haven]

@fickle chasm My theory on the fruit being duscussed by the goresei: the goresei aren't talking to anyone, the panels with zunesha are separate to the conversation. I also think they are talking about tokis fruit. But I think that it's not because somebody new has it, I think it's because they have been told how kinnemon ect got to the future and mono. The time fruit hasn't respawned so to speak for someone to eat it and if it did reappear after her death it's probably buried under the burnt castle as we've seen fruits respawn to the nearest fruit an a castle will have alot of fruit in its food stores. That's how iv interpreted that conversation. Could also apply to a different unknown fruit but if its a fruit we know tokis fits that narrative perfectly. Her fruit will be just a legend to them.

[fickle chasm]

I c i hope its a new fruit that would be sixk

[sand sail]

Toki's fruit fits only because of how long it went without being in the world, it doesn't really fit in any other way. CP0 wouldn't know about the scabbards coming from the past and into the future, and a devil fruit can respawn "somewhere" in the world, not necessarily at the nearest fruit

[weak arrow]

I mean context clues would easily tell them momo time traveled to the future.

[sand sail]

They're only on one side of the conflict, unless someone's out there screaming about it they'd never be able to figure it out

[oak mortar]

there is a relation in the series though and a connection about nika and oil/fire due to nika's picture on whos who panel but the oil thing is very very subtle but the hair seems to be constantly on fire ...... the body looking soft and stretchy like (viscous) oil makes fire constantly burn

[sand sail]

It wouldn't be context clues, they'd have had to heard it from someone panicked or excited about it happening outside

[weak arrow]

I mean it’s pretty obvious a little kid who was the son of the previous shogun means time travel happened

[sand sail]

Pretty obvious in what reality? There are stranger and more common ways to have a kid stay the same or lesser age than that, and unless CP0 knew the whole history of Wano, they wouldn't really pick up on Momo being all that strange to have around

[fickle chasm]

Luffy has the gomu gomu no mi

[sand sail]

Time travel may be on that list as an option, it sure isn't the most obvious answer

[weak arrow]

So sugar's fruit and?.....

[sand sail]

This channel isn't for random chat, if it's not about a theory it's best to take it to one of the other manga channels

[fickle chasm]

Aight

[sand sail]

Bonney's, drugs, filler fruits, if Oda wanted all kinds of brand new fruits, there are also just general illusions that would fit

Like I said, time travel is on the list, it sure isn't the most obvious answer. Just like it was only on the list back when we find out Momonosuke met Roger but couldn't figure out how, time travel isn't something readily accepted just because there's a world of weird powers out there

[fickle chasm]

what if it is acc buggys fruit the whole time

cause like its buggy

[quaint haven]

@sand sail of course they know, momo is a kid for a start and has announced himself infront of everyone. The spies have been following momo for ages in the castle.

So that info would have got back to the goresei

[sand sail]

How? The only spies following Momonosuke are the Marys, and they haven't talked about how he got there or who he is, just that he's important to the war effort

"Momo is a kid" doesn't really matter, unless CP0 knew the whole history of Wano those aren't two things they'd connect

Or rather, the whole recent history of Wano at least. What information is getting back to the Gorosei?

[slim moat]

If Garp's wife is Lunarian, Dragon would have had wings on his back. Same with Dragon's wife. Luffy would have inherited at least something.

[sand sail]

And why would that information be relevant to them at all? They don't even know that Momonosuke is a dragon yet

[quaint haven]

I can't discuss in detail at the mo but if u assume the goresei have been made aware of momo then their conversation fits like a glove

[fickle chasm]

We never seen dragon without the green cloak tho ao it is not confirmed he doesnt have wings

[slim moat]

what about Luffy?

[sand sail]

It still doesn't really fit like a glove, no. Being aware of momo doesn't mean they'd automatically jump to "It must be this mythical fruit of legend that even we'd only heard about!"

[fickle chasm]

He is like quarter lunarian so he only develops the fire thing and he is half shandorian so like he got unlucky and didnt develop wings

[quaint haven]

@sand sail there's been numerous conversations explaining the time travel, only took one of those spies to hear it.

[sand sail]

It's a possibility still, but the only thing that gets Toki's fruit to fit better than others is the fact that it really hasn't existed for centuries since she was jumping around in time with it for the last 800 years

[sand sail]

What conversation has taken place explaining time travel near any of CP0 or the Marys?

[slim moat]

That's not good proof. You are just wishing Dragon's wife is Shandorian. I wish Big Mom is Dragon's mother.

[quaint haven]

@sand sail sane way we know, kinemon has told ppl, momo had said it. The fact he's odens son an still a kid. In the context of how it's been written on that panel they could have been discussing momo an HOW he's still a child, to which one goresei probably mentioned the time fruit then what we see in the panel being the following lines

[sand sail]

Why would they care that Momonosuke is still a child? Who has Kinemon told near any of the Marys? Why would CP0 care about who the Scabbards are at all in general?

Why would they find it weird that Momonosuke is still a child? Most people in Wano just kind of accepted it as a fact

[fickle chasm]

The tattoo

[quaint haven]

Information is power. Why wouldn't u care that the new lord of wano is a 20 odd year old child, it raises eyebrows an questions. The Mary's/ cpo have clearly been following ppl for a while. One followed momo in the latest anime episode as a exalmple

Can't remember manga chapter number

[sand sail]

Because he isn't the new lord of Wano or in any politically powerful position at all

[slim moat]

tattoo may be related to honor or something? You don't have to born into it to have tattoos.

[sand sail]

Yes, they've been following him, but following him as an important person isn't giving any of these secrets away. CP0 can't see through the Marys themselves, all they've been getting is where things are happening and a summarized play by play

[fickle chasm]

I c

[quaint haven]

@sand sail we shall see anyway. Iv seen alot of theories an personally think this one to be a good one.

[void juniper]

Dragons tatoo can just have a cultural meaning. i do think of the posibility of his wife being a shandorian. that wouldnt imply luffy having wings.

[slim moat]

Dragon have the tattoos in honor of Ancient Kingdom? Ancient Kingdom is still mystery. May be Dragon likes their culture and trying to avenge their loss?

Inheriting will is not just blood related.

[runic osprey]

I agree with your theory 100%
The most obvious df would be toki’s or otherwise its a complete new df that we havent seen yet

[fickle chasm]

Avenging his mother who is a lunarian

That is why he goes against the celestial cause they killed his mother and reason why garp also hates the celestial

[fading sierra]

Everyone hates the celestials

[modest skiff]

I wrote something similar previously if you care to read it #manga-theories message

[fickle chasm]

Fr

[slim moat]

That makes lame story line. Inherited will is something man to man. It doesn't involve family most of the time. That's what Romance is about.

[oak mortar]

what if the panel goes like this

"that fruit(the fruits true name) is but a legend , even for us" "its hasnt awankened for centuries"
soo what if they just found out the true name of that fruit and even they didnt know and they ask the question
"how else do you explain the world govt giving a specifc devil fruit a unique name?!" <--- why would they even ask that question in the first place!
and the last panel is the answer <----- They were hiding the fruits true name from the annals of history?!"

[fading sierra]

The legendary df is something that is not obv or alr op becuase that defeats the point of renaming it

Its either tama or something less obvious

[oak mortar]

i beleive it would be toki's or tama easily but also if my theory of that panel dynamic is correct id put luffy in 1st place but now that panel is a real theory in itself

[fading sierra]

I get where u coming from but luffy having the df just doesnt make sense in the narrative and defeats a lot of the themes oda has written

Unless he just does a kishimoto but tbf he alr has links to roger so its kinda possible

[oak mortar]

yeah and soo many hints that it can be luffys fruit going back to reverie and also a hint in chapter 1.
the elders saying to imu "which light should be shed" just after when imu had 4 pictures
1:luffy
2:blackbeard
3:vivi
4.shirahoshi

and now the world govt is in wano?! soo the world govt isnt in fishmen island, they arent in alabasta and they arent looking for blackbeard but we see them in wano!

and then whos whos thing about getting the gomu gomu being stolen long ago and he had to go to jail for it.

[fading sierra]

Agree

Idk

[oak mortar]

its really weird tbh

[fading sierra]

It makes sense but it kinda cheapens luffys journey ygm

[hushed nymph]

In what way? I don't think luffy not being special was ever a theme oda was trying to make

[oak mortar]

well we all know deep inside that sun god nika is luffy right......... that cheapens the journey imo

[fading sierra]

Not him being special more like the way he uses his ability

[hushed nymph]

LUL, yes that would cheapen the journey

[oak mortar]

LOL

[fading sierra]

It does tbh if its like he jesus nika but i thought it was like symbolism like the same way he similar to roger

[hushed nymph]

You mean how creative he is with it? I think some people are a bit too caught up on the "why would they give the fruit a different name" saying it can't be luffy because it means he isn't a rubber man. With how little we know, I'm not convinced about that. I think it might just be that the awakening is unique, and what gave the devil fruit its name originally. We really can't know

[fading sierra]

Yh igu

[oak mortar]

yeah nike is the goddess of victory in greek mythology. luffy is all about victory and the picture of nika that whos who shows is a rubbery lookin with hair on fire....... who looks like a rubbery looking dude?

[hushed nymph]

That being said, I think the most likely fruits based on that phrase, interpreted as most are interpreting it, would be something like Chopper's fruit (more than 3 zoan forms), Robins (bloom bloom kinda makes sense, but also doesn't describe the fruit completely), Tama's.

[fading sierra]

Im not arguing i just thought it wasnt literal but proly is

[oak mortar]

yeah we're deciphering 🙂

[hushed nymph]

My only problem with it being Tama's is that why would the five nobles expect that a 8 year old could awaken a fruit not awoken in centuries?

[fading sierra]

Its more like they didnt know about tama having the df but just the df itself

[oak mortar]

im really getting into this dive of toki or luffy

[fading sierra]

I thought it had to do with zunesha coming becuase tama somehow summon zunesha ???

Thats how they know about the fruit

[oak mortar]

zunesha is only a red herring in that chapter

[hushed nymph]

Sure, but then wouldn't they just want to bring tama in, focus on capturing her, and leaving. She's just a kid, and no way she's putting up much resistance. Just lock her up for her entire life with sea prism stone and take 80 years of possible destruction of the world government out of the picture

[fading sierra]

They proly have no idea that tama has the df just that its there

[hushed nymph]

Killing her would be problematic, someone much stronger could eat the fruit, I feel like they'd be happy a young kid has the fruit and CP0 is right there

[hushed nymph]

She gave the order, and the gifters all responded to it. CP0 has eyes on everything, and if this is some really special fruit the 5 nobles would want, would immediately recognize it.

[oak mortar]

well momo command zunesha and we dont know whhat momo did after the straw hat left zou. for all we know maybe zunesha was near wano the whole time and brought momo to wano! 😮

[fading sierra]

Its proly not tama then

[fading sierra]

Kosuki clan thing proly has something to do with zunesha and momo was aged up so maybe thats why its coming to wano?

My brain aint workin today

[hushed nymph]

I don't think the world gov saw zunesha. They were looking forward, and said, up ahead, probably looking at onigashima floating in the sky. Zunesha was travelling in the same direction. Besides, the conversation started before zunesha appeared, I doubt that zunesha has anything to do with the fruit, It was just convenient timing because we see zunesha approaching as we were being shown that the world gov ships were there

[oak mortar]

yeah probably i mean momo it the only bring that can command zunesha and im assuming the kozuki heir can command zunesha.

[fading sierra]

Yh so that leaves luffy or an unknown ?

[hushed nymph]

And even if they were looking at zunesha, the ships didn't know what it was that they were looking at, so how could the five nobles know it was zunesha, except if they just have some insane intuition

[fading sierra]

Thats wat im thinkin

[oak mortar]

i think they saw the island of wano

[coral zinc]

Bro if luffys fruit really is legendary, then won't shanks saying "an arm is a small price to pay" have a whole different meaning?

Hecc 16 yr old luffy took out the sea monster

[fading sierra]

Acc uno thinkin ab it now

[sand sail]

That wasn't about the power, that was about saving a friend

[fading sierra]

Shanks is a wg dog right

I wud say he planned it but luffy eating the fruit was a genuine accident

I think

[oak mortar]

or maybe hes toying with them

[fading sierra]

I thought he might have planned to use luffy idk of his association with wg which is why he gave up his arm so easily

But maybe it was jus friendship

[oak mortar]

i think shanks know a lot and the world govt doesnt want anyone to know their motives soo i think the world govt is shanks dog xD

[fading sierra]

Bruh

[oak mortar]

they cant kill shanks

otherwise they would of.....

or alteast try too

[fading sierra]

Ik but wg in bed with kaido i feel like they cud do a sting on him if he rlly had that much dirt on them

[lean trellis]

My 2cents: shanks was told by Shyarly on fishman Island that he'd have to lose an arm to bring in the new world and he bet that it was luffy. So luffy would become the pirate be is. Explains why he didn't use haki and why he was chilling in east blue

[hushed nymph]

Luffy makes sense with who's who just saying it, I also think it would make sense if the world gov was scared about luffy awakening the fruit in the midst of a yonko level fight. That being said, and despite what I said earlier, the biggest hurdle is that quote about giving it another name. Yes, it could be the name reffered to the awakening, and not the base form, but its still the gum gum fruit. Then again, we just don't know, so no guess is perfect since we don't have perfect info, on purpose. Gum gum fruit is a solid choice.

Tama's fruit is a solid choice, I just brought up why I think it wouldn't make complete sense though, so I'm not as convinced on this one, but maybe.

Chopper's fruit is actually a really good pick. Up until now, that he had the fruit was unknown because the world government thought he was a pet. Now CP0 has seen the more than 3 zoan transformations. He's in the midst of the big battle on the performance floor, giving the world government more cause for concern over him awakening the fruit. Also would make the quote about the name really easy, since the human human fruit is not very descriptive of his power.

Not convinced on toki's. The world government, if they even knew toki had the fruit, maybe based on a talk with orochi, would know that she is dead, why would it come up in this discussion about wano. The name thing doesn't make much sense, since time time is pretty descriptive, and even more so since the fruit hadn't appeared since before the world government existed, so they couldn't have given it another name. Don't think it could be toki's

[fading sierra]

I think chopper being legendary fruit acc makes a lot more sense now i think ab

[fading sierra]

Thanks for explaining it

[hushed nymph]

Chopper is my favorite right now. I think he clears all the hurdles the best out of anyone in wano

[lean trellis]

I'm a fan of the luffy=monkey king theory. I bet joy boy was the previous monkey king as his name sounds kinda like a prankster.

[fading sierra]

Like wukong

The trickster monkey god

[lean trellis]

And the monkey king awakened another power after spending 49 days in a boiling pot. He could see the evil in men with golden vision. So maybe it's a play on that which could undo the Web of lies in the WG

[fading sierra]

Kinda sounds like oden

Icl im on tazers side with it being chopper even tho most evidence points to luffy

It makes so much sense considering his character development and the way he is potrayed by others and the purpose of the fruit being renamed

[oak mortar]

im turning into the oil man theory. xD to be honest it seem just logical but it would be called nika nika no mi because the oil that burn the flames. Oil is in real life is somewhat something that needs to work or drives. maybe oil is a symbol for will

[hushed nymph]

If it is the gum gum fruit, I don't think it has a complete change to what it really is. It's not like its a zoan of the rubber god or something like that. It would just be that he has some special ability from the awakening, that is what became the original basis for the name. Oda still wants there to be a lot of ability for luffy's fruit to be silly, so that it is the gum gum fruit wouldn't change

[fading sierra]

Oil oil fruit?

[oak mortar]

no .... nika nika no mi

[fading sierra]

Like sengokus fruit but nikka instead of buddha

[ancient vault]

I dont think the person to be killed in question is the same as the fruit owner

[quaint haven]

I think who who losing any fruit would get u sacked

[reef sandal]

yeah cause any df is a pretty valuable military resource

[quaint haven]

Probably challenged red hair an got battered

[fading sierra]

I still think gum gum was in inventory because its awakened version is needed as materials for an ancient weapon or because wg just keeps any df

[quaint haven]

An the fruit was just part of the looting

[oak mortar]

yeah well theres loads of relations with mythology and oil/fire. and also being luffy"oil" and ace/sabo "flame" completes the will of nika!

[fading sierra]

Shanks be shanking

[fading sierra]

Agree

[quaint haven]

I just cant see luffys fruit being changed at this stage. I wouldn't like it. Personally

[fading sierra]

Yh thats wat im thinkin its most probable but i dont think its the best decision for it to br him

[reef sandal]

i'm not sure about how i think about it in the story but meta wise i don't think it's a decision oda would make

[oak mortar]

it was never changed and will never change but will upgrade!

[lean trellis]

I can see why the WG called it the game goes, as both young ace and second mock luffy for ages about how rubbish being a rubber man is, so I can see it only really being useful to the right person, which leads me to thinking that the WG felt safe calling it that, when it's actually something else

[quaint haven]

@oak mortar I know, I'm saying I cant see these theories being right

[fading sierra]

I still think the nikka connection is symbolic

[lean trellis]

Gomu gomu*

[quaint haven]

Bouncy oil doesn't seem right to me but hey ho

[reef sandal]

i can see luffy using similar powers but it would be of his own ingenuity and not by a special property of his fruit

[oak mortar]

but deep down you know that nika is luffy? maybe thats luffys ultimate form to embody the form of nika

[reef sandal]

you can refine petroleum from oil i think is the argument

[quaint haven]

@oak mortar dno, I think luffys just double 0 ard

[fading sierra]

Icl the legendary df is gonna be like buggy or som shit

[reef sandal]

god i hope so

[lean trellis]

Love buggy

[quaint haven]

@reef sandal yea that rabbit hole will go on forever once u start evaluating what things could become 😂

[reef sandal]

yeah i'm not saying i agree with the argument

[fading sierra]

@oak mortar wait i just realised something alvidas devil fruit makes her oily and bounce shit off her do u think theres any connection there

[reef sandal]

it's more that stuff just doesn't hit her cause she doesn't have friction

[fading sierra]

Bruh nvm

Yh i still think nikka connection is symbolic

[oak mortar]

that oil is interesting because its an insulator to rubber, soo therefore same properties as rubber. therefore still immune to electricity, fire resistant, therefore immune to fire because it can make fire. also gears need engine oil , and pistols, gatlings, bazookas , (techniques) need enjin oil. also the whole water and oil thing about why luffy never dies in water is that oil doesnt dissolve or separate in water therefore the substance is still contained!

[reef sandal]

luffy isn't immune to fire

[oak mortar]

and then nika being the form of oil and fire

[oak mortar]

resistant to it

[reef sandal]

like when he uses red attacks?

[fading sierra]

Nah thats caused by friction in the air

[reef sandal]

i was under the impression he was getting busoshoku insulation for those attacks

and i don't remember him being fire resistant elsewhere

[fading sierra]

Yh tbh i don’t remember him bein resistant to fire

[oak mortar]

in episode 1002 luffy doesnt get thunder, it was described that the flame of kaido did not work either

[fading sierra]

oh

[reef sandal]

oh ig he would be resistant to heat since he held enel's prong which had a ton of energy coursing through it

[modest skiff]

Luffy being elastic and resisting fire does not mean he is oil. The oil theory makes no sense

[reef sandal]

yeah no i don't see fire resistance as an oil property

gtg

[lean trellis]

I'm pretty sure luffy tried to avoid the prong because it was too hot

[fading sierra]

I still think the nikka stuff is symbolic

[modest skiff]

Yeah mainly because oil is flammable. And oil does not expand and stretch the way Luffy does. I have no idea how oil could ever make sense

[fading sierra]

Its a stretch but maybe its like an oil oil fruit or

[lean trellis]

Why would they ever rename that

[oak mortar]

he burns fire from the inside and emits smoke and pumps his legs like hydraulic pumps when he changes gears

[fading sierra]

Idk

Gear 5 oil man ?

[modest skiff]

It’s not a stretch, it’s completely baseless. And as we have discussed before, the WG already knew of the fruit prior to hundreds of years ago. It couldn’t be a legend.

[lean trellis]

Oil makes no sense in the context of the WG... there would be no reason to flip out over an oil oil man

[fading sierra]

No no im not saying the legendary df just its existence

[modest skiff]

No, he does not. You have no reason to think that. Where are you even getting this?

Burning inside does not make you stretch

[oak mortar]

what if the panel goes like this

"that fruit(the fruits true name) is but a legend , even for us" "its hasnt awankened for centuries"
soo what if they just found out the true name of that fruit and even they didnt know and they ask the question
"how else do you explain the world govt giving a specifc devil fruit a unique name?!" <--- why would they even ask that question in the first place!
and the last panel is the answer <----- They were hiding the fruits true name from the annals of history?!"

[oak mortar]

oil is vicous therefore yes its stretches

[lean trellis]

The awakened DF needs to have massive consequences for the WG. They had to change the name because you can't stop DF from spawing. As soon as the user dies, the fruit ripens again

[modest skiff]

That is not how viscosity works. That is a fluid dynamic. It doesn’t cause stretching

[lean trellis]

An oil oil man has no impact for the WG

[oak mortar]

viscous. reminds me of a luffy technique

[fading sierra]

Wait is he arguing oil is the legendary fruit i just thought he was talkin ab nikka and oil connection

[lean trellis]

No idea anymore 😂

[oak mortar]

nikka is the fruit but the link to nika to oil/flame

[modest skiff]

This is not stretching. This is resistance to movement. These are completely different concepts.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viscosity

[lean trellis]

We are talking about a single fruit, the WG renamed

[modest skiff]

Is there some awful YouTube video out there that said Luffy is oil? Where is this even coming from?

[fading sierra]

So wait r u saying its a hibi hibi model nika fruit like the buddha one sengoku has

[lean trellis]

It only makes sense to rename a fruit, where its true name alludes to the real awakened power, which is a power that can totally upend the WG

[shadow ruin]

Oil literally burns rubber tho

[abstract pond]

oil oil gatling gun

[fading sierra]

There is a general connection to seafaring pirates and oil and iget wat ur saying ab nika but i dont think that has anything to do with the legendary df

Unless ur sayin the legendary df is a nika df like sengokus df -buddha df

[modest skiff]

Viscosity also does not create tension. Liquids do not naturally return to their previous state after undergoing deformation if they are viscous

There is a lot of well understood science behind both viscosity and tension which completely eliminates the theory of Luffy being oil. I can see how viscous material would give the impression of stretchiness but it is not what is fundamentally happening

[oak mortar]

it would still be rubber but his drive comes from this engine that needs oil which explains the gear techniques, and the enjin oil to make the attacks. and also maybe usopps lie in chapter 909 when he turned into a toad oil scammer xD maybe the lie can predict something. im not sure

but the lie is established but we just dont no for what

[fading sierra]

Ok ok so luffy isnt oil but uses it ?

So r u sayin he has the nika df

[oak mortar]

too much science for one piece

[modest skiff]

You tried to justify it with science after nothing else made sense. I explained why the science doesn’t work either. My point is that there is nothing justifying this theory

[slim moat]

Wow. You guys having serious discussion about Oil.

[fading sierra]

I don’t understand

[oak mortar]

then therefore its absolutely not oil, but in one piece a person goes through time with no science involved makes no sense as well soo we dont know

[fading sierra]

But wat ur tryin to say is luffy has the nika df right @oak mortar

[slim moat]

Oil is not that important to have its name hidden.

[fading sierra]

Not oil specifically nika

[slim moat]

Also it has to be some sorta crude related oil to have actual arson affect.

[fading sierra]

I think thats wat he was sayin idk

[slim moat]

I mean if he wants some petroleum products.