manga-theories

[native pelican]

jus saying

[cerulean coyote]

Certain people can perform certain surgical operations. Not to mention giants who live that much.

[devout tapir]

a theory with no evidence backing it up but i am just saying coz it would be cool asf if it would happen 🤣

• from 1037 we are asked who tf told zunesha to come
• what devil fruit are the gorosei talking about

so zunesha being some guy eating a massive elephant fruit is lame asf, and from what the gorosei say, we can infer that the fruit is 'wrongly' named, and a 'legend' so we probably havent seen the fruit or the user yet.
combining the idea that zunesha was commanded to arrive from an external source, could it be the fruit that has like a lelouch-esque effect? the fruit that punished zunesha? and possibly a powerful individual like shanks 😳 has it thats why he can talk to the gorosei 😳 ... Idk but this would be cool asf

[plucky kiln]

Imu's Aresenal:
Marine: Admirals, Vice Admirals
WG: CP0: masked ones
SSG, whatever it is, it will be OP af
SWORD ?

It sounds like way too small to be a threat towards the pirates & revolutionaries we know

perhaps the gorosei will turn out to be strong people

[muted ember]

The Marines have the advantage in numbers and technology

[spice berry]

Imu's got Vegapunk the greatest scientist. Haki, df powers don't matter to him. Can create dragons and all.

[primal cargo]

There is a Lelouch-like devil fruit in One Piece... And its user is in Wano right now... And it works on animals specifically

[devout tapir]

yeah I also think it could be Tama coz the name of her fruit is misleading as well, but that would be boring asf🤣

[plucky kiln]

like what in the world would make the gorosei sweat their asses of

and why now. why is it brought up now. did they learn something about the fruit in some of the incidents that happened ?

[pure raven]

lmao wheres big moms crew at 😂

[plucky kiln]

wait, was my message deleted

[modest skiff]

Talking about wanting spoilers can go in other channels, this channel is intended for serious discussion regarding theories

[primal cargo]

Well obviously they're waiting for the time Big Mom takes over as the main villain for act 4

[primal cargo]

Meant to quote this

[pure raven]

hmm

perosperos must've been impatient then

[primal cargo]

Well they're not waiting, ofc they're doing their best to overcome their archnemesis the waterfall, but I do think that's meant to delay their arrival until act 4

[surreal mesa]

What is lelouch-esque?

[pure raven]

😂

the waterfall fr a obstacle

[calm dove]

The directions of the WG ships in 1037. Zunisha (or another big elephant) is behind them. while the first shadow the page before is infront of them.

[primal cargo]

Looking at ch. 910, the sky was already black when looking in the direction of Wano. The "first shadow" is just the sky as it normally is in the area

[calm dove]

oh yeah good point

[weak plaza]

Ohhh!!! That’s unexpected. That’s sound possible!!! @@ yeah. It’s might be

Same, I want to see Luffy and Sabo visit Ace grave.

The road to end game

[austere silo]

Guys what if marines want to capture robin so seriously is maybe because because vivis father may have told them about the poneglyph in alabasta and what is written in there and robin has already read and know about the weopon thats why even the gorosei is wanting to capture her not because robin is wanted by big mom and kaido

[weak plaza]

Yeah, I know from mate above.
So it’s basically relate to the myth Nezha. Idk if any of you guys know this Chinese mythology or not.
Oh wait.. Nezha also had 2 brother too!!!

This is so much alike

[neat zenith]

[weak plaza]

That’s why I’m curious if Ace will comeback to life just like Nezha in the mythology

[neat zenith]

didnt oda say,if a character dies,he stays dead or sum?no revival

[weak plaza]

Nezha get revive back to life in a lotus body and lotus root. Revive by 2 old man. And they seem to be a safe and hermit from heaven realm.

[weak plaza]

Yea… just curious. Because it’s so much similar.

[plucky kiln]

yes, but I dont think it will be relevant. oda might answer it in interviews or smth like that

[solemn eagle]

yo guys what do you think green bulls devil fruit is?

[plucky kiln]

does he even need to have a df ?

[solemn eagle]

well he supposedly doesn't need to eat so unless he is marshall d teach's long lost cousin i'd hope he has one

[plucky kiln]

fair point. If he has no df I would think he is a skilled swordsman who developed his own technique

But if he has one, would it be one we know ?

Maybe he got some upgraded weapon by vegapunk that "ate" a df

[solemn eagle]

i would think he has a mythical zoan related to plants like idk
Hito Hito no mi model:dryad/model: druid

another hilarious theory i saw which was clearly a joke was he has the
"Gobo Gobo no mi" which grants him a permanent sillouhette and we do actually know what he looks like lmao

[plucky kiln]

interesting thought. but I somehow have enough of mythical df

remember the times when marco and sengoku were the only ones we knew. back then it was a rare thing, and it still is but seeing like 3 mythical being revealed in one arc kinda was sad

EDIT: it was 4

[solemn eagle]

3 revealed in one arc? oh i forgot orochi had a devil fruit for a second lol

what's the 4th one? are you counting momonuske?

or was devons df revealed in wano?

[plucky kiln]

Kaido, Yamato, Orochi and Onimaru

[solemn eagle]

who's onimaru? lol

[plucky kiln]

the fox dude who was Ushimarus best friend. the one with all those weapons and the one who wanted to steal zoros shusi

[solemn eagle]

well that would mean we have 6 mythical zoans ( i don't think i miscounted) as opposed to 11 logias soo they'd still be rarer

[plucky kiln]

I also didn't know he had a Hito Hito no mi: Onyudo that was mythical

[solemn eagle]

oh 7 mythical zoans then nvm

[plucky kiln]

yes

[solemn eagle]

i didn't know there were 2 mythical human human fruits

[plucky kiln]

youre right
same

(why the hell is there an 15sec message limit in this chat)

[solemn eagle]

but i feel like some type of zoan would round off the trio the best because we have a logia and a paramecia in the trio already and it not being mythical would be a little disappointing if that is how it turns out

[primal cargo]

The known admirals are light and gravity, so how about a trio of physics concepts. Like atom power or something

[solemn eagle]

that would also be pretty cool

just something that actually rounds off the trio instead of something stupid like idk a logia that transforms the user into sound

[primal cargo]

Gotta be associated with green if possible as well

[plucky kiln]

I prefer a sound sound fruit over an atom-atom fruit because yo

[solemn eagle]

gravity isn't really associated with purple soo idk about that

[solemn eagle]

i mean same but honestly i don't want it to be a logia i'd prefer it to be a paramecia or a zoan

[plucky kiln]

oh yes

[primal cargo]

Isn't gravity purple sometimes in video games and such ? xd

[solemn eagle]

because we had 3 logias for the previous admirals and every time we see a logia in an arc there's usually more than one introduced in that very same arc which takes away from it supposedly being the rarest type outside of mythical zoans

prime examples of the more than one thing being alabasta and marineford

in fact there are actually 5 of the 11 logia fruits in marineford the suna suna no mi mera mera no mi pika pika no mi magu magu no mi and hie hie no mi

sorry 6 i forgot the yami yami no mi was a logia

[primal cargo]

Only croc was introduced in alabasta and only akainu in marineford ? As far as I remember

[solemn eagle]

ace was introduced in alabasta

and i didn't mean introduced i just mean were there and also 7 for marineford i forgot smoker was there at the time

but 7 of the currently 12 (granted one of those 12 is sabo) existing logia users were at marineford and 3 of the 11 at the time existing were at alabasta

but that's not theories so imma stop talking about it lol in this chat i mean

[primal cargo]

Right well it makes sense that the strongest powers would be present at the world's biggest battle. But I agree Ryokugyu is probably not a logia. Would make fujitora stand out in a a weird way

[solemn eagle]

yeah but i still hate the fact the second rarest power we were introduced to at the time was so fucking common

[primal cargo]

Green Bull doesn't eat anyway so obviously that includes devil fruits

It's a somewhat common idea that Admirals have broken DF powers because those fruits were given to them by the World Government. If that's true then given Fujitora and Ryokugyu only joined two years ago, the "haven't eaten in 3 years" line could be a hint at the man not having any DF powers.

This was supposed to be a joke but I kinda like it ngl

[proud tree]

Could Zou be an ancient weapon, or something that is used by an ancient weapon (same way like Seakings are used by Shirahoshi)? Thats why the WG had to rename its devilfruit? The crime it committed was 800 years ago, its last use is centuries ago...

Since Poseidon is already confirmed biological (Shirahoschi), And Pluton is confirmed to be a battleship. Zou would be Uranus.

[devout cosmos]

I mean i think it could also be like he got a fruit 3 years ago that sustains him well enough to the point he doesn't require eating anymore. I wish i could reference a certain character from Naruto right now

[sand nebula]

the real name of which fruit?

[ancient vault]

Tamas

[autumn oracle]

If we're going with the assumption that Devil Fruit users DO know the name of the fruit that they eat, when they eat it, then we can cross out the possibility of fruits that users have named attacks for like:

Luffy's, Kidd's, Law's, etc. of which the latter two already have their awakenings revealed so I'm not sure that really helps this example tbh

Then we can likely cross out that these users have the devil fruit that the WG is talking about.
However, say that the users make up these names for their fruits or knew/were told beforehand. Then this devil fruit the WG is talking about really could just belong to anyone that hasn't had an awakening yet.

Currently I'd have to agree with the majority of the theories that its either Luffy's fruit or Tama's which the WG is talking about but man is there a ton of uncertainty surrounding the whole thing.
Goda really knows how to make a mystery.

Nobody asked lol but as a reader I couldn't help but want to express myself

[cerulean coyote]

Like instinct or just by assuming a name associated with the power?

[autumn oracle]

I think it was stated by one of the members of CP9 or Spandam that people just "know" the name of their devil fruit when they eat it, kind of like instinct yeah

[harsh chasm]

cant wait for next chapters where its all cleared up

[autumn oracle]

But I'm not sure if we're supposed to take that literally given that it could also just be that they name the fruit "by instinct" or whatever they feel is a better name for it

[autumn oracle]

Goda is keeping us on our toes with these recent chapters, especially with this tease

[cerulean coyote]

Lucci said that the name is figured out by the power it gives (if its not in the enciclopedia)

[primal cargo]

Yes. I keep seeing that argument that people magically learn the name of their devil fruit when they eat it, and that's just wrong imo.
This comes from a line from Rob Lucci in chapter 385 where he says "You learn the name of the fruit when you gain its power"
I've checked out the japanese and this seems to me like a bit of a happy translation from Viz. The line could just as well be translated as "You'll know the name of the fruit from the powers you've gained".
Which is a pretty normal thing to say when someone is about to eat an unidentified devil fruit.

Actually, it's proven wrong immediately after when Kaku and Kalifa eat the fruits and don't feel like anything's changed

[autumn oracle]

That's a really good point actually.
If it really was the case then they'd probably have had some sort of realization in the moment.
I'm on the side that believes that the users named their fruits.

[cerulean coyote]

Chapter 1: Shanks' crew knows the name of the fruit, so its not the user ❌

[autumn oracle]

This topic itself is really interesting, because there's the possibility of users having DFs, naming them incorrectly, and not knowing the full capabilities of the fruit.
By this logic, it's possible that fruits listed in the Encyclopedia could be incorrectly defining them and there might be more to devil fruits than we think.

[autumn oracle]

I think that's probably because the encyclopedia listed a name the previous user gave it, and so they just took it for granted as the name of the fruit

Yeah ykw, I definitely think the name of a fruit is given to it by the user.
Take Robin's fruit being called the Flower-Flower no mi.

[cerulean coyote]

Bb did not name his fruit either, he knew Satch found the yami yami no mi

[granite pebble]

my theory is that luffy will use advanced buso haki on his balls and chockes kaido that would lead up to luffy winning

[autumn oracle]

Oh yeah when it comes to named fruits I mean, it'd be hard to imagine them as anything else. We know bb had an encyclopedia, but for unnamed fruits I think it's the users that name them

And if their fruit gets discovered either the WG renames it or it keeps the name the user gave the fruit

[autumn oracle]

Like how the WG is talking about this fruit currently that they tried to cover up the history of.

[primal cargo]

They were probably named back when the fruits first appeared or something

[granite pebble]

it is shanks fruit

[autumn oracle]

Ngl that is a possiblity and I think it'd be pretty cool for Shanks to have gotten a fruit during his time as a Yonko

He definitely doesn't need one, but it would be interesting to see a Yonko using a fruit for something other than fighting.

[primal cargo]

If we assume it's Tama's fruit that they're talking about for example, it would have been given its original name in immemorial times, and renamed by the World Government 800 years ago. And it never appeared since, possibly because it was in Wano the whole time.

[granite pebble]

yeah but i dot think so because when shanks saved luffy he didnt drown

[autumn oracle]

mhm, if he got a fruit it would have to have been after that

[granite pebble]

yes

[autumn oracle]

See Wano is really interesting because of how its borders have been closed for so long. So many things can happen in Wano that the outside world and possibly even the WG wouldn't know abut.

[granite pebble]

wonder who is Zunesha user

[cerulean coyote]

Or someone jumped through time with the fruit after the death of the first owner...

[devout cosmos]

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMLJwf62m/

Interesting theory to be honest

[pure raven]

nah watch it be a mystery for another 100 chapter

[frigid lagoon]

I'm honestly putting my money on this theory

The|| Tama ||one aint bad either

[devout cosmos]

Its pretty good i am not even going to lie to you

[frigid lagoon]

For sure

[glass sluice]

😈

[weak arrow]

You better elaborate, as we don’t allow joke theories in the channel.

[tardy pumice]

Honestly, it being Tama's fruit is what makes the most sense to me. For a second I considered it might be Law's recently awakened Op Op fruit, but there is a flaw with it being that.

[fathom matrix]

I am still curious though.

How comes they didn't bring up a lot of info about BEFORE the void century?

Like, I don't stuff like "how old something is so an so" but people and events, like "the last recorded information before the void century was a man that was so and so, within a society of this" and then it cuts off from there

[clear kraken]

Just saw a theory saying luffys fruit is actually a mythical zoan - wisdom king

[pure raven]

what, who thinks it's luffy's fruit

that's so dumb lmao, I thought the talk about luffy's fruit that was having had in the jimbe chapter died down by now since people understood it can't be his

[autumn oracle]

Honestly I thought it was weird, but the more I listened the more I thought it could be a possiblity.
At any rate my money is on it being Tama's fruit, but on the chance that the WG isn't talking about Tama or Zunesha which would be weird, then it's possible they might be talking about Luffy.

At any rate yeah I thought it was strange that people we're just stating out of nowhere, "Oh yeah Luffy's Gomu Gomu is something else for sure"

[short pilot]

Tama would be Uranus, Zou probably follows the command of the previous fruit user

[pure raven]

ok, but what if Zunesha is a zoan user

I also don't think It's luffy's

If gomu was a different fruit, how the heck would luffy survive enel

[oak mortar]

theres a missing panel imo saying maybe 'the ancient weapon pluton/or the ancient weapon uranus may call upon zunisha for aid in the battle'
"then the next panel being ' that fruit is nothing but a legend now even for us"
"it hasnt awakened for centeries!"
im actually speculating that the name of the devil fruit is the name of an ancient weapon
"so why do the world govt go to the trouble of giving that DF a specific name"
so they gave this fruit another name because of the potential that it may awaken again
"but its impossible!" but actually it is! 😉 which might relates to zunisha.

[lunar violet]

If shanks has a fruit he could be stronger than kaido

depends on the fruit tho, Until now kaido is the strongest man alive in the verse in my opinion

[autumn oracle]

really good point, I'm sold

[crimson birch]

Yes we did not see him fight

And the kaido vs shanks is not shown

[pastel prism]

Theory: Shiryu df awakening is being nothing, he can touch u, but u can't touch him, zoro will use advanced observation to dodge his attack cuz he can't see him with normal observation, he will use ryou to beat him cuz ryou can cut nothing if the user want to

[weak arrow]

Advanced observation isn't zoro's style. He'd just take shiryu's attack and slash back wherever he was, just like he did with King. Interesting theory though

[pastel prism]

Ok

[pure raven]

btw guys

what if joyboy from void century is a time warp luffy

[lunar violet]

Nice, But i wont think that to be honest

but its oda, I guess well never know

[pure raven]

the straw hat in mary geoise could be a time machine

[crimson birch]

Guys can animals in one piece make haki

[lunar violet]

Guys, What if the geroisi and imu sama dont know the whole truth?? they know about joyboy and the ancient kingdom but there goal is to find the whole truth??? thats why they have been trying to capture robin so they can read poneglyps, and they are very intrested in wano because they know about oden and the journal that oden has

[crimson birch]

What if zunesha uses haki 💀

[lunar violet]

The strongest in the verse instantly

[crimson birch]

Nah bro they want to destroy the truth

[lunar violet]

Then why would they want to capture nico robin alive???

why not dead if they want to destroy the truth

[pure raven]

they may want the ancient weapons

[crimson birch]

Like do they know shirahoshi is ancient weapon

[lunar violet]

Then you are proving my point

[pure raven]

also

I BET that the ancient kingdom is the entire world.

Doflamingo said that 20 kings moved to mary geoise

[lunar violet]

Well It was

[pure raven]

what if Im flooded everything in some way

[pure raven]

why would they move to the red line

red line is a high place.

[lunar violet]

because there is something in the red line

that we don't know of

[pure raven]

also

ONLY 20 KINGS?

I think noah's purpose was to avoid that flood

like in the bible.

[lunar violet]

franky is the strongest straw hat or the second strongest if he builds pluton

[pure raven]

ancient weapons dont seen like a real treat to straw hats

like poseidon

some horde of beasts that can be sliced by momonga don't seen dangerous.

I think world government dont want people to get things like poseidon because of the flood.

I cannot think of a way to erase a century instead of killing everyone.

[lunar violet]

maybe we havent seen the real sea kings

[faint token]

Pretty sure they said they wanted her dead this chapter

[muted ember]

If a sea king is strong enough to take Shanks arm, they would be a danger to the vast majority of Marines and they would be potentially fighting thousands of them

[muted ember]

Pretty sure they said capture

[faint token]

Yea ur right they said to get rid of a nuisance idk who they were talking abt

[lunar violet]

I think shanks cut his arm off in purpose for luffy, But the sea kings we saw are without a doubt weak

i think there someone ruling the sea kings

[muted ember]

Sea Kings are not weak if they were Marines wouldn't coat their ships w seastone

[lunar violet]

and hes a real sea king that is actually strong

[lunar violet]

yeah but to be called sea kings i think they can be stronger

[muted ember]

That's just your opinion tho

[ancient vault]

Theyre a threat in groups

[pure raven]

marine is a threat in groups as well

[tribal ferry]

Omg Prometheus

[hasty locust]

correct me if I'm wrong, but I think when buster call was on Ohara the marines were ordered to kill everyone not capture alive but after Akainu became fleet admiral he wanted to capture nico robin and create the ancient weapons

[tribal ferry]

[mental torrent]

The mysterious df is water-water no mi, u cant change my mind

[pure raven]

legit.

"Good pirates are dead pirates." - Akainu.

[lunar violet]

Nope in the latest chapter the gerousie wanted nico robin captured, and the cp9 had orders to capture nico robin Alive

If they wanted to destroy history they could easily kill robin

[ancient vault]

yes youre wrong nowhere was it said that akainu wanted to do that

[muted ember]

They wanted Olvia alive I think. They killed her crew but kept her and Spandine tried to capture her again

[severe edge]

There are real life instances of people trying to make it so that an event never happened. Mainly through removing every mention of it anywhere, because there's no proof of such an event the story of the event ends up become a myth or a tale.

[hasty locust]

I can't remember if he said it exactly or not but I remember somewhere right after the timeskip where it's said Akainu wanted to recreate the ancient weapons for "peace"

[ancient vault]

No lmao

It was never said. Youre mixing up robin talking about the weapons and jinbei telling us about the fight between kuzan and akainu

[vast pawn]

… Ik…. Zeus and Prometheus are both based if Greek Mythology

[mystic crown]

Spandam is a bitch ass. They were probably convinced hes wrong

[primal cargo]

I think they weren't convinced that he was capable of retrieving Pluton. They did give him permission to do his thing though, so I'd say they were interested ?

That's true. Maybe you're onto something but still, for CP9 to get deployed means that the Pluton plan had become a very serious thing in the present.

[ancient vault]

Its basically this

[queen arrow]

"you talk big, but action speaks louder than words"

[ancient vault]

Gandhi sums it up

[queen arrow]

cue spandam getting hit with a bucket of paint literally the next page

[primal cargo]

It is worth noting that they didn't react like "YOO we can get Pluton that's sick". You'd imagine they could have invested more into this, rather than put idiot Spandam in charge and call it a day

[ancient vault]

@queen arrow what do u think is the fruit theyre talking about?

[queen arrow]

the goverment doesn't actively want or need the ancient weapons, but they would be useful and having then would be good

[queen arrow]

probably something about zunesha

that's really my only take

[fading sierra]

Bruh

[queen arrow]

the spandam situation is probably just the fact that this is the guy that went to them sure as hell he could get Pluton

[fading sierra]

Hes acc so lost

[ancient vault]

Fair

[fading sierra]

The fruit is bartholomeo

[primal cargo]

I think this whole situation depends on how much of Spandam's influence he got from his "connections" vs from actual proof that his plan was worth it.
If he got promoted to head of the CP9 only thanks to his dad pulling strings or smth, then the CP9's involvement doesn't necessarily reflect an interest from the World Government.
"Find the blueprints, then we'll talk about how to use them"
It sure sounds like they don't know what they would do with Pluton if they had it.

[slim atlas]

Kizaru will be the next fleet admiral and buggy will see what the one piece is while Blackbeard and luffy have the final showdown on the last island. Meanwhile, shanks and the revolutionary army take down the world government.

[mystic crown]

[slim atlas]

‘Twas a joke

[nocturne otter]

Didn’t Buggy already see the One Piece? Since he and Shanks were apprentices on Roger’s ship. I might be remembering things wrong though.

[primal cargo]

Nah, he had "can't go to that island" disease

[nocturne otter]

Sounds a lot like Usopp

[slim atlas]

Buggy had a sickness and shanks stayed back to look after him

[nocturne otter]

Ah alright then

[proud tree]

I have a theory about the devilfruit that "has not awakened" in centuries (chp. 1037). In chapter 676 we saw how in a set of random apples a devilfruit of a nearby dying devil-fruit user may spawn. Also Oda mentioned in an SBS[https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Zunesha#cite_note-vivre_card-2] that Zunesha's diet consists of sky island apples and giant seaweed. So in its livespan of 1000 years (multiple centuries) Zunesha may have eaten an sky island apple that was converted into a devilfruit same as in chapter 676, hiding the devilfruit for centuries and suffering the draining weakness of the sea, slowing down its wandering.

Actually Enel may have found a sky island apple that was converted into the legendary GorGoro No Mi Logia the same way

[sturdy hawk]

It is about devil fruit awakening

[proud tree]

a fruit that is hidden in an Animal for centuries cant be awoken anyways

[primal cargo]

I don't think there's anything special with apples in particular. Devil fruits are documented in picture books and people can recognize them from their appearance, so more than likely every DF can only be a certain kind a fruit and the Axolotl fruit happens to be an apple.

[heady parrot]

we really don’t have enough info to say anything like that definitively but that’s certainly what it seems like. don’t be surprised if it’s a red herring.

[sturdy hawk]

In the raws it is spelled the same way as crocodile did in impel down

[ancient vault]

@pastel summit

[primal cargo]

It is about DF awakening, there are quotation marks in the japanese version

[proud tree]

maybe its just random fruits.. so Cesar could have used bananas instead of apples ... also Sky island apples are not normal apples

[ancient vault]

There are different quotes

[heady parrot]

i think what they were getting at is just the fact that oda stated zunesha eats sky island apples which we know as a possible spawn for devil fruits looking for an apple fruit host. it just increases her likelihood of having consumed one if she’s eaten those apples for a 1000 years.

[primal cargo]

I agree. Definitely possible that Zunesha ate a devil fruit that way

[primal cargo]

How do you explain what I said about recognizing devil fruits from sight then ?

[heady parrot]

zuneshas so big they might not even have noticed until it was completely consumed (along with an entire trees worth)

[primal cargo]

If that's true we're lucky she hasn't eaten two. Could you kill Zunesha that way ?

[ancient vault]

Probably

[slate mirage]

What If it's one of those things from the Florian triangle that ate a df?

[ancient vault]

I think those things were zunesha tbh

[heady parrot]

wouldn’t zunesha had to of crossed the red line twice in two years in order for that to be possible

[ancient vault]

Why twice?

[heady parrot]

we don’t know if zunesha can cross the red line at all

[ancient vault]

Zunesha can just step over it tbh

[slate mirage]

Can it tho?

[heady parrot]

well because she’d have to walk into paradise before the timeskip in order to be in the florian triangle and then step back into the new world post timeskip to be there for the strawhats

[heady parrot]

it’s probably tall enough but we don’t know if zunesha can lift it’s legs that high. we have no idea if zunesha is trapped in the new world but there’s a good chance it is

[slate mirage]

No ,there are multiple things ,there were three in thriller bark, it could be a totally different race

[heady parrot]

did you reply to me on accident? i’m with you. i don’t think it was zunesha. it was more than likely different wandering beasts.

i’m aware there were multiple things nowhere in my original message did i imply otherwise

[slate mirage]

Wdym by this? Why would it need to cross over?

[elfin bobcat]

when is 1038 scans coming?

[heady parrot]

the entire world is split by the red line so in order for zunesha to have been in the florian triangle during thriller bark as swrml posited, it’d have to have gone from the new world side of the red line to the paradise side and then back before to the new world side during the timeskip.

[pure raven]

it would be funny if those three shadows meant nothing at all and it’s just oda messing with our heads

[lunar violet]

idk

[proud tree]

thriller bark was able to cross the red line twice in the story ... so no surpirse if other gigantic things like Zunesha can do it too...

[slate mirage]

Oh i see,my bad. I agree with you.

[slate mirage]

I hope not. That's one of my favorite moments in op, i hope they have a relevance in the story,and we get to see what they are

[heady parrot]

i always assumed those three shadows were just meant to be a bit of an ominous ending for the arc and not much else. like if the place is called the florian triangle because ships have gone missing for centuries then obviously it wasn’t all due to moriah, something else had to be doing it too and Oda introduced these three creatures to show why that was / fix the inconsistency from the perspective of the reader if they ever questioned the florian triangle.

[pure raven]

ooooh yeah that’s a good point

[proud tree]

The other Supernova did not pass through the florian triangle and took another route right?

[primal cargo]

Well that doesn't really solve the mystery does it. It just changes the face of the mystery.
Although the answer could simply be "you know how Zunesha exists, well there's a bunch of other huge things like that and some of them live here"

[heady parrot]

some other had to of taken the florian triangle route as there’s just not enough routes for all but 1 of them to avoid it. odds are they just didn’t pick up moriahs flare barrel that would give them away (everyone in the sh crew could tell it was a trap except zoro and luffy) or didn’t pass through until after the strawhats defeated moriah.

[heady parrot]

if anything the three shadows are meant to be a hint to zuneshas possibility as an existence and probably to help establish more pre and post time skip parallels. i mean zunesha did just pop up in wano and was shown as a shadow with glowing eyes so thats a pretty strong thriller bark callback which a lot of people have been comparing this arc to.

i’m not saying she’s at all related to those beasts. just that their existence implies zunesha is a possibility as well and establishes giant sea wandering land animals in the story way before it’s needed to be relevant.

[primal cargo]

I guess so. Still, why in that specific area in particular ? Why is it even a triangle?

[heady parrot]

that’s how oda rolls. if he knows for a fact that something will be relevant later he’ll plant smaller references and hints way before it’s necessary for the main cast to really know about because it adds a sense of authenticity to each new concept oda wants to introduce or new idea when there’s self contained references in the story. it’s like how knowing a little bit of something at one time makes the acceptance of how it really is later down the line much easier to accept and hold believable as a reader.

[heady parrot]

it’s probably a triangle for the same reasons it’s a triangle here on earth: it’s between three islands (or magnetic points for a log pose to grab on to) and ships go disappearing between those islands just like they do in the real world bermuda triangle. it’s just a real world reference like a lot of names and places in OP i wouldn’t put too much stock into it.

the beasts may be there just to take advantage of and eat all the poor sailors who kept getting lost in the triangle. regardless i don’t feel like it was ever really meant to be a huge mystery, more like a necessary end to the arc in order to show why the place is so scary at all if it wasn’t all moriahs doing.

and it ended up being another thriller bark - wano comparison with giant shadows pulling up near the tail ends of both arcs

i wonder if tama could feed her kibi dango to the florian triangle beasts

[proud tree]

Why wasnt Moria attacked by those monsters in Florian Triangle.. did he know about them?

[heady parrot]

either he was completely aware (which is possible, he’s an ex new world pirate so he may be aware that creatures like this can exist) or just got really lucky or maybe the beasts left him alone just because his ship didn’t look like a ship but instead an island so they never noticed him.

[static needle]

YALL listen

i belive zoushinas purpose is too hold onigashma

[quick cliff]

Imagine

[primal cargo]

Yes ? Listening

[primal cargo]

That's already Momo's job and he's doing alright I think, sure he could ask Zunesha to do it for him but would it feel right ?
Plus does Zunesha have the right size and proportions ?

My idea is that Zunesha plays a role in opening Wano's borders. She's big enough to smash the outer wall, could also empty the sea with her trunk. And opening Wano's borders is the conclusion of a centuries-long story, like the centuries-old pact of brotherhood between the Minks and the Kozuki

[gilded willow]

but talkin seriously, usopp should learn the ikoku if he can master it in his on way to shoot from distance would be epic with some gyojin karate

[static needle]

yea she def has the right size

plus momo is lowkey failing

[primal cargo]

Doesn't that invalidate all the hard work that Momo's been doing with the flame clouds and all

[static needle]

factual but i belive momo will have a bigger part later on

[primal cargo]

Tbh I don't feel so good about Zunesha's arrival. It's such a massive force for our side, when the raid was already going well. Pretty sus if you ask me

[pure raven]

this would be sick

[full zinc]

I believe shadow the dude is seeing is shadow od onigasima and they are not aware of zunesha behind them

[cerulean summit]

Welp I don’t think the official cleared that up any for me at all

[swift frigate]

what if the fruit they were talking about is related to the movie? Like the singer has a brain wash fruit and the previous user told Zunesha (a giant?) to eat it and walk or something? Is that a leap?

was that confirmed?

[cerulean summit]

That seems extraneous when we have a fruit user in Wano who can control animals. Tama’s original fruit user could have commanded Zunesha to walk until the heir of the Kozuki clan returned

[cerulean summit]

No OP movie thus far has been canon so it would be weird for this to be the first no?

[cyan berry]

it's not canon

none of the movies are canon

and none of them will be

theyre just a side activity for the characters and they dont matter for the main plot

[swift frigate]

probably would be weird for it to be canon but was hoping it would be

shanks side story

[cerulean summit]

Unless OP does a DBS, whose movies get un-canon’d when the manga/anime catches us, it would be unprecedented but not impossible

Shuiesha properties been going down the movie route, Demon Slayer, Boruto, and DBS being decent examples, but OP has kinda always been on its own course.

It seems more to me like they want to kill Robin during the raid. I appreciate the official removing some of the vagueness. And it still seems weird, like the Gorosei aren’t reacting to what the Cipher Pol agent in the crow’s nest is saying, rather it seems like they got some entirely different conversation going on

And I only assume it’s a cipher pol agent bc unlike the marines homeboy is dripped out in the WG suit

[echo sandal]

Zunisha's eyes looks similar to imu Sama's eyes.
I also think admiral rykugu green bull is on one of those marine ships

[primal cargo]

It does seem weird that they would just send a bunch of Cipher Pol randoms to take over Wano from the hands of (at least) 2 emperors of the sea. Maybe there's marines on the ships.
Or maybe possibly Big Mom has a deal with the World Government .......?

[pine quest]

What do you guys think about Momo being the third ancient weapon? I think it's probably him who called zunesha and that would be an incredible power on its own but just maybe those shadows in the florian triangle are other creatures like zunesha and the florian triangle is where they live to escape discovery

[pure raven]

I agree i made a post last year about this when i noticed it

#manga-theories message

[agile tangle]

What is ikoku

[agile tangle]

But zunesha doesn't have eyes?

[tepid nymph]

i BEEN saying this

[echo sandal]

She/he does.

[jaunty turret]

usopp and blackbeard look kinda related, they both have long noses, same skin tone and exactly the same hair (black and curly).. even yasopp had that same hair when he met shanks, until he changed to dreadlocks later on

[pure raven]

cyborg arm for kiku?

[pure raven]

imu and mihawk have the same eyes

[empty steeple]

I just wanna know if Zunesha was a human or if an elephant just ate some kind of island island fruit.

[modest skiff]

Also Cavendish’s transformation

[pure raven]

Zunesha[2] is a Naitamie-Norida elephant[5] that wanders the New World and carries the island of Zou on its back.[1] first lines of the wiki

[fathom matrix]

Honestly, I legit think there's nothing really special to the eyes.

Like, some Female one Piece characters have eyes that are very different to some guys

I think it's just a style TBH

[weak arrow]

Nami has had those eyes at one point

they literally mean nothing significant

[empty steeple]

When

[versed hamlet]

Pudding and Hakuba also had those eyes

[slim atlas]

Hawk-eyes, elephant-eyes, imu-eyes. They built different

[empty steeple]

Pudding's eyes when she's evil are similar but not the same.

Hakuba has em for sure tho

[empty steeple]

Still wanna know when

[weak arrow]

Looks like I was mistaken

Still wont be significant

[empty steeple]

Whether Zunesha, or possibly Tama, is in possession of Uranus. I feel like Enel is going to be coming back real soon. Since he learned about it on the moon. But idk, maybe neither of them have it.

[modest skiff]

@fast salmon not the channel for general chit chat. Please save comments like that for #manga or #also-manga . This channel is intended for serious discussion

[ember trench]

I wish Usopp looked like that

[calm dove]

He’s walking so he can spread the fruits far and wide to every human

[final sparrow]

Are we all thinking that this is talking about momo and shirahoshi? It says the whales are waiting, and as we see on zou there is a whale with the kosuki symbol. even oden said the one piece revealed wano was once conected to the rest of the world.****

[pastel summit]

it's about luffy and shirahoshi

The whales literally made a huge deal when they met, as the sea kings say in that panel

right after the end of FMI. "the whales are delighted in anticipated"

idk why I said skypeia

[celest mesa]

i took that more just reaching the grand line

[pastel summit]

at the time, sure. with added context, seems pretty obvious what they mean imo.

then why would the sea kings talk about whales being delighted, and then we see whales being excited right after Luffy and Shirahoshi meet? It seems like a pretty obvious callback.

[dry kindle]

The fruit goroseis were talking about was most likely Tama's Kibi Kibi no Mi.
Because
A. It is not a kibi dango, and thats a stupid name for an op fruit.
B. Her fruit explains how Zunisha is being bound by a 1000 years old spell. It was a previous user of Tama's fruit that ordered Zunisha to walk for 1000s of years.
Seems legit

[pure raven]

Is it possible that they were talking about BBs DF? If i remember correctly shanks went to talk to them about BB. And since black beard had 2-3 years to train after summit war. Could he have awakened his df or wbs df? Maybe both?

[slate mirage]

We don't really know who Shanks wanted to talk about

[smoky sleet]

what if zunesha is joyboy

[amber oar]

Oda forgot Laboon's species is supposed to be a West Blue native

Though I guess with their massive sizes they can go back and forth the Calm Belt without issue

[modest skiff]

Yeah I just assumed they don't really need to stick in 1 place

[grizzled fog]

Sorta seems like they’d just be a swimming feast for the sea kings that live there

[pure raven]

Did one of the 5 Elders used "Soru"? ;O

[prime lake]

who is luffy;s mother ??

[granite valley]

Better question, who is dragons mother

[prime lake]

better question who is garp's mother

[granite valley]

Does dragon have a sibling, does garp have a sibling, I’m sure there will be another addition to the monkey family

[wispy shell]

This is actually an interesting theory tbh.
But, won't the order from previous kibi kibi no mi user vanished the moment the user die?

[slate mirage]

I don't see any Den Den mushi with the gorosei,how could they know about Zunesha or what's going on in wano. Maybe the df they are talking about doesnt even have to do anything with wano

Or is it somewhere on the table and i'm missing it?

[mossy condor]

zoro foreshadowing-- he feels like entering the hell......now he is the king of hell...........

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/477571830941614080/932460962483683368/0654-017.png

[edgy viper]

I suspect it being Shirahoshi and a yet to be introduced character (personal headcanon: someone born on either Zou or Elbaf).
Reason being that the Sea King's conversation implies the two sovereigns being born in the same year. Wouldn't make sense in regard to the whole destiny-that-took-800-years-to-fulfill thing for them to be born some years apart imho

[lavish raft]

what's soru

[pure raven]

CP technique where they move so fast it looks like a teleport

[lavish raft]

Oh thanks

[dry kindle]

That's point
The df is so strong that orders don't die from previous user
That is why this df is strong and powerful for a reason

[hallow pagoda]

theyre the world leaders im sure they know everything. it'd be kinda weird for them to just start talking about some random fruit when the panels showing zuneshas reveal

[inland wave]

what if im and mihawk have max coo, that's why their eyes are yellow with rings

[slate mirage]

I'm sure they know (almost) everything,but it's not like they are omniscient at any moment. They still get reports, it's just weird that we do not see any den den mushi. Maybe one of the other two that does not appear on the second page has one or Oda just forgot to draw one? Those are the only possibilities i see. These,or they are talking about a df unrelated to Zunesha ,which could be on wano or somewhere else and Oda is just tricking us? But maybe i am completely wrong.

[inland wave]

What unique devil fruits exist?

[reef sandal]

what do you mean by that?

cause every df is unique

[inland wave]

unique name

[mystic crown]

Every devil fruit has a unique name

[inland wave]

for instance if most fruits have a repeating name

[reef sandal]

oh

[inland wave]

and something has a non repeating name... does that exist?

[reef sandal]

the naming convention for fruits is always two words

[mystic crown]

Oh. My only guess is Uranus is the name of a devil fruit

[inland wave]

oh well, we can wait for 3 weeks and find out

[mystic crown]

Because it isnt following the devil fruit naming nonemclature but we know its a strong power

[reef sandal]

i feel like even if uranus was the name for a devil fruit power it would still have a conventional df name under that

[mystic crown]

Yes but the conventional devil fruit name is unkown if it was erased from history

[reef sandal]

true

tho it may have been preserved somehow, like through a poneglyph

[inland wave]

uranus, poseidon and ?

[reef sandal]

pluton

[mystic crown]

Pluton is a ship , posieden is shirahoshi and Uranus is unkown

[inland wave]

we already know how to find pluton, we know who poseidon is, uranus is something sky

because pluton was found in alabasta, a desert, the definition of earth and poseidon under the sea

[mystic crown]

Possibly. Enels devil fruit is a popular theory

[reef sandal]

that confused me somewhat, because if you're finding pluton does that mean that the ship would have not deteriorated over 800 years?

[inland wave]

is pluton a ship?

[mystic crown]

One hell of a ship

[reef sandal]

and then there's also the inherited blueprints which eventually end up burned, but it seems doubtful to me that there would only be the one set

[inland wave]

what if pluton is also something that is remade, similar to the reincarnation of poseidon

[reef sandal]

well the thing there is in water 7 there was emphasis on no two ships being the same even if they go off the same blueprints so i think that the reincarnation thing would be necessary unless the ship is somehow still intact after the lifetime of an empire

[inland wave]

what if jewel tree ships are all pluton

[reef sandal]

that wouldn't make any sense

pluton is a specific weapon ship with specific blueprints, rumoured to be capable of destroying an island with one blast

[inland wave]

hmm, in that case, it's a similar ship design not the material

[reef sandal]

also which tree is the jewel tree? the translation i got didn't call either adam or eve that

[inland wave]

so jewel trees are just big trees

[reef sandal]

what?

[inland wave]

yep, with strong wood

"Treasure Tree Adam is a type of tree whose wood is considered the strongest, highest-quality wood in the world. Its immense rarity makes it highly valuable, being considered a great treasure.

Occasionally, the wood is sold on the black market, at a very high price given its value. Franky managed to purchase some for Beli.png200,000,000.[1]"

[reef sandal]

there's the treasure tree adam and the sun tree eve

so which do you mean when you say jewel tree

[inland wave]

just in general, it doesn't matter

[reef sandal]

ok then

i wonder if they make ships out of sun tree eve wood, and how that would look

[inland wave]

that would mean a war against fishman island

[reef sandal]

i suppose so

[inland wave]

well, joy boy is probably a giant and he might have planted the two trees in hopes of bringing the world together, and then he was killed or stalled or he fell asleep.

[reef sandal]

i don't see how planting two special trees would bring the world together, it seems like it would just cause a struggle for ownership

[inland wave]

the sunlight tree might have been planted to help the fishmen get accustomed to the surface world

[reef sandal]

yeah sun tree makes a bit of sense there i suppose but i don't see the treasure tree angle

[inland wave]

do we even know where the treatsure tree is?

[reef sandal]

nope

[inland wave]

yeah so it could be planted to do something relevant to treasure

[reef sandal]

the treasure moniker is because its extreme durability gave it a lot of value, meaning it's worth a lot of money (like treasure)

its actual functionality isn't as treasure, but as building material

[inland wave]

i see

[ancient vault]

Whats a jewl tree?

[lime frost]

What if an island are an elephant fruit?! iirc devil fruits can be given to non living things?

[dusk halo]

Lets say the final poneglyph isnt in Elbaf, where do you guys think it is?

[lime frost]

Has Ida ever made a mistake like this? I think it's a good theory

[lime frost]

Also, Titanic had a sister ship, Ida loves real world references. Could be a second ship that is not damaged and old

[lime frost]

Rocks island, what's it called? God island or something?

[reef sandal]

that technology is a recent innovation by dr vegapunk so it doesn't make sense for zunesha, also in an sbs oda said something about zunesha's specific species with the long legs and the longer lifespans

[reef sandal]

god valley

[slate mirage]

I wonder how do people ,like mr 4, get these objects eating dfs. Does he have a connection with Vegapunk,or does the WG sell them?

[cloud hill]

I have a theory for the meaning of the awakening which the gorosei's did talk about.
I think that there are a lot of things that comes into cobsideration. If i list them it would be:
-Zunisha
-Momonosuke
-Luffy
-Momonozuke's devil fruit
-Yamato and her devil fruit
First off, i dont think Luffy has a connection with Joyboy. Remember that Roger was also able to her the sea monster's talk. I think this might just be a side effect of the conqueror haki and a spécific family line of D's.
We know that Momo also was the one able to talk with Zunisha, Luffy was the only other one that was also able to hear Zunisha. But Zunisha is now heading to Wano. If we recap the current situation in Wano.
-Momo struggle to come toan idea to stop Onigashima from falling.
-Yamato made use of her DF in hope to find the armory before the fire reach it.
-Luffy fighting Kaidou with newfound strength and abilitys.
-World governement again after Nico Robin.
In other words there are from the mentionned situations here afew that comes into consideration that may have called Zunisha to come to Wano and help save the citizen of the Flower City.
In other words i think Yamato, might have a connection thanks to her DF with Zou and the inhabitants. Momo struggling may have most likely made an unconscious help call to Zunisha in his despair to stop the island and those may have overwritten the order Zunisha has been cursed with (which we still do not know the cause of it and who sentenced him to this).
On the other hand i think the fact that Luffy has fallen into the water may have also redirected Zunisha toward Wano in an attempt to help Luffy from drowning.

[graceful ether]

zoro will find kaido's dragon fruit, and have one of his swords eat it. makes sense because zoro's spiritual aura is a dragon so it will fit him a lot.

[cloud hill]

What we still do not know is with Momonozuke's devil fruit and if it is really a 100% copy of Kaidou s devil fruit.
Myself i think it is not a copy but might be well a devil fruit on its own. In each past stories we have always legends of having 2 different dragons. Kaidou is one and the one Momo ate may be well the other one.

Similar to Ying and Yeang

Similar to Ying and Yeang

So in the end i think Joyboy is none other then Momonozuke and this thanks to his devil fruit

[woven sierra]

i kinda think bao huang is part of the three eyed tribe since she can kinda see different locations

[edgy viper]

Do we have a guess on who Crocus is sharing Sake with on the cover of 631? The hat is identical to the ones Tama made for the Scabbards, and since Kanjuro's betrayal we're lacking one retainer for Tokis prophecy to be fulfilled. Any chances the ninth shadow is neither Izo nor Kunoichi, but an entirely different person?

I'd attach the image but Discord doesn't let me. Here's the wikia link: https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/2/24/Chapter_631.png/

[exotic echo]

Common take has been Shiki but there's also been those who say it's Yorkie.

[edgy viper]

Isn't Yorki already dead by the time the Straw Hats reached the GrandLine? Laboon already carries their Jolly Roger on the cover page.
Shiki tho... the coat checks out. The hair does too, despite being somewhat too short. The only things not lining up are a) the missing steering wheel and b) that iirc Shiki and Roger's crew were not on good terms. Still probably more likely than another retainer, thx.

[tepid coral]

But we have been time to time told that mihawk is the world strongest swordsman, so that doesn't connects.

[mystic crown]

I think Ive seen this before about that gorosei being strong due to his lack of scars(which is symbolic in japanese swordsman ship for skill) and his high grade blade. I dont think hes stronger than mihawk but could be cool for zoro to show hus expertise and overwhelm him

[pastel fiber]

WG can lie and they do that alot

But even I think Mihawks the strongest tho lets see

[tepid coral]

Nah it's not about wg, like the narrative tells us that he is the strongest.

[mystic crown]

From a story telling point of view, building up a character with a title and changing it last minute for little to no reason to subvert expectations and gain a short lived shock value is bad writing. Oda isn't the kind of author from many examples to do that

Where?

[tepid coral]

No lmao

[mystic crown]

I dont know if I even want to argue this tbh

[abstract pond]

The gorosei always gave me final boss vibes. I believe they are pretty strong and will fight the strongest in the crew.

[mystic crown]

I think making them stronger is an easy choice on Odas behalf to increase the stakes but they wont be busted. They will probably by in the Yonko commander range of strength

[abstract pond]

Also, that was when he had 2 arms. Mihawk is stronger than him because of that most likely.

lmao https://preview.redd.it/hu83qs3ihmv41.png?auto=webp&s=c1f2165a6082716bb54755944b4554547efaf50d

[hoary hatch]

The Gorosei are end-game but BlackBeard and his crew has been the villain counterpart for Luffy as well. And I can't really see the two groups making an alliance so only one of those groups can be the final bosses.

[mystic crown]

Blackbeard will be defeated before the final war

[abstract pond]

The question is who will go down first, the world government or the blackbeard pirates

[hoary hatch]

Taking down the Gorosei and the World Government would change the world forever. But though this could be the ending for the series with Luffy fulfilling the will of the D, that is not really his dream. BlackBeard could be the final challenge for Luffy to get the One Piece and become the Pirate King. The latter might not shake the world similarly, but BB definitely has potential to have a "I shall destroy the world and remake it in my dark image" kind of goal.

[abstract pond]

Because Shanks and his crew are also there and they will surely fight someone before the series end.

And I would say that Shanks has more personal beef with Blackbeard

[hoary hatch]

I would not mind if Shanks gets taken out offscreen. ...Because even though he has been hyped up a lot and is canonically a badass, the story is not about him. He is an important background character, but backgruond character he is.

BEsides, ever since the "Will of D" was brought up, there have been only two villains in the series that could be the final opponents. The WG and the nobles, who are opposing the D clan. And Blackbeard, a villain with the initial D, who clearly is going for some sort of different goal and is not the one to inherit the will of D (at least the way Roger and many others did.)

I like the idea that BB has inherited the will of Rocks D Xebec (who was so dangerous and evil that even Garp allied with Roger and helped celestial dragons to stop the man) and that he is the enemy of Luffy who inherited the will of Gol D Roger (and most likely Joyboy before him.)

[mystic crown]

I definitley think that Blackbeard and Luffys fight for Pirate King is really a fight for whos going to change the world. One piece has been building up the idea of a saviour figure from multiple cultures eg: Joyboy or Sun God Nika, and this prophesised character will be the next King of the Pirates. Roger knew that the next King of the Pirates would bring the new dawn of the world but he also knew he was too early to be this person. Blackbeard vs Luffy will be the battle for how the world will be remade.

[abstract pond]

Imu is still very mysterious. He could be the final villain. With Oda you never know.

[slate mirage]

The fight with BB will happen shortly before ,after or at Laugh Tale most probably. If the final war is happening after Laugh Tale then it's only logically than Imu is the final villain. The final war could be caused by Luffy's and BBs confrontation (although it could also start earlier,caused by the revolutionary army,and then exapand to the pirates).

[abstract pond]

I would love to have the fight between Blackbeard and Luffy at sea. Full pirate style

[pure raven]

i wanna see usopp and van augur sniping at each other from miles away as a final battle for usopp

[sinful helm]

lol usopp aint fighting in a 1v1 maybe 2v2 with someone probs choper and the other doctor with the two of them

[midnight silo]

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/s5heal/belo_betty_and_dragon_1038_theory/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

[fading geode]

usopp and the giants vs bm in elbaff

[midnight silo]

Great theory worth a read

[slim moat]

Yeah. You are correct. Laughtale going to be interesting arc for sure.

[abstract pond]

I don't know, I just googled Mihawk vs Shanks.

[slim moat]

Shanks is like Kakashi. Rayleigh is like Jiraya. More chances for Ray to die if we follow that logic.

[fading geode]

shanks is absent anyways

[midnight silo]

I see garp dying final war

[abstract pond]

If that happens hope he fucks someone up before

[midnight silo]

Yeah I see garp killing akainu

[slim moat]

People will stop complaining about lack of deaths then.

[fading geode]

sabo

[midnight silo]

Sabo killing akainu is not the route

Sabo has a deep bond with ace. But there's nothing more than just revenge there

Akainu and and garp would be the direction of the marines. On top of the revenge

[sinful helm]

lol one piece takes more from Dragon ball then naruto so there is no point in connecting luffy's story too naruto's

[midnight silo]

Who are you talking to

[abstract pond]

If Sabo fights someone it must be from the WG.
I can see Luffy, Zoro, Sanji, Yamato, Jinbei, Sabo vs Gorosei and Imu

[sinful helm]

this lol

[midnight silo]

Oh cool

[fading geode]

How about koby ?

[slim moat]

I was pointing it out to him who dies if we follow that logic.

[fading geode]

Koby should fight akainu, or someone from the wg

[sinful helm]

yea they die in db but one piece doesnt need a person too die

[midnight silo]

I think we might get a similar revival of legends

Rocks.
Roger.
Joyboy
Sun god nika

Final war and imj is controlling their bodies

[sinful helm]

too further the story

[midnight silo]

Koby is too damn weak lmao

It is named tf.

Read the damn sbs. It's the jiki jiki no mi

[split glacier]

Oda isn't that trash of a writer to just copy Naruto...

[midnight silo]

Naruto made the plot element bad. It can be done well

Just because one series messes up a common trope doesn't mean oda will mess it uo

[split glacier]

For Oda, the dead stay dead. That's why he doesn't kill off characters easily/at all. He hates reviving characters in stories

[midnight silo]

And its only gonna be final war lmao

Without imu bringing some dead people back. The alliance is overkill

[primal cargo]

Didn't he say in some SBS that he will never bring back the dead or something

[midnight silo]

Yeah who said they come back to life. I'm referring to their bodies being used

[split glacier]

Same thing. It's trash

[midnight silo]

He brought John and wang zhi back via there bodies.

So yes it is very possible he could do this for roger and rocks

[midnight silo]

It really isn't the same thing lmao. He did it with John and wang zhi read the damn story

[split glacier]

He did that for unimportant characters that don't really matter in the grand scheme of OP

[midnight silo]

Lmao. It doesn't matter if there unimportant. He still did it.

And them being unimportant is very subjective

[primal cargo]

Moria brought back the body of the literal strongest swordsman in history, and he was slightly stronger than Brook. Do I need to elaborate

[abstract pond]

Bringing back deads for the past to fight it's usually a really poor choice. Naruto's fourth ninja war was pretty bad xd

[split glacier]

State their importance then

[slim moat]

Characters' death kills the fun in story. Also Luffy supposed to have fun adventure before final war starts. I never expect anyone to die until then.

[midnight silo]

John is very relevant to the rocks plotline
He has a missing treasure that still hasn't been found
He is very likely to have a deep connection to kids story aswell.

That makes him pretty relevant

[split glacier]

There's no need for a resurrection when there's already endgame enemies. Imu and the Gorosei are more than enough

[fading geode]

That formed the biggest and most notorious pirate crew

[midnight silo]

They are really not.

The strawhat side is overkill.
You really think the gorosei are all yonko level with the way they are sweating with yonko meeting.

There will be like 5 people in the crew alone that could beat an admiral by then

And that's ignoring dragon sabo law and Marco lmao

[abstract pond]

That's pure headcanon. We have absolutely no idea how strong they are.

[midnight silo]

It's complete overkill at this point your gonna have imu fighting 6 yonko level characters

That's horrible writing

[primal cargo]

That's a good point. Pretty sure there has been 0 character deaths in present time outside of Marineford, the previous "great war"

[split glacier]

You know there's an entire World Government right or no?

[fading geode]

to get to Imu first

[midnight silo]

Headcanon based on evidence in the damn story thank you.

They were sweating at the meeting of shanks and wb. If they were all equal to shanks and wb that would not scare them.

Use your brain

[abstract pond]

Zero evidence on the Gorosei strength

[midnight silo]

There is clear evidence on the goroseis strength.

They sweat at the idea of 2 yonko meeting. Mean they fear the yonkos power

[abstract pond]

And don't be inmature with stuff like "use your brain"

[midnight silo]

What else am I supposed to say when someone's being illogical

[fading geode]

They're not scared about the power, they're scared of them knowing the truth of the world, just like in recent chapters of them deleting the df history and they dont know how to tell the wg fleet that is coming to wano rn

[split glacier]

Probably not honestly.

[abstract pond]

Not being a dick maybe?

[midnight silo]

Huh. Shanks and wb meeting has nothing to do with the truth of the world what bs are you talking about

[fading geode]

not about shanks and wb boy

[primal cargo]

They're dealing with the great powers of the world. Individual strength's got nothing to do with it.

[split glacier]

It's terrible you think it's gonna be all of them fighting Imu...That's just dumb

[fading geode]

you said that theres like 6 people on straw crew that could fight admiral level

[split glacier]

There's more than just Imu to deal with.

[midnight silo]

That's who we were talking about if you don't specify of course I'm gonna ask wtf your talking about

[fading geode]

exactly, to get to imu first you need to go a whole lot

[midnight silo]

It will be. Because imus forces aren't enough to fight the alliance that will come after them at end game.

There are 4 admirals. And the strawhat alliance will have about 10 admiral level people backing them by final war

And some of the admirals like greenbull and fujitora might flip by then lmao

[slate mirage]

What's John relation to Kidd?

[midnight silo]

So your assuming the gorosei that are sweating at the idea of WB AND SHANKS meeting

Are all equal or stronger than wb lmao

[fading geode]

don't forget vegapunks research on pirates like kaido and etc, he has something in store to battle the pirates, that we don't even know

[abstract pond]

Brills uses his headcanon as facts

[midnight silo]

No I'm using facts to support headcanon

[primal cargo]

We know for a fact that the navy is about to become much much stronger thanks to the SSG

[abstract pond]

Haven't seen you use even one like that

[midnight silo]

Headcanon is the only shit you know how to type. Counter using the story don't use the same dumb response

[split glacier]

Is this your 7th account?

[abstract pond]

https://tenor.com/view/edgy-brooklyn-99-nine-charles-gif-13236508

[slim moat]

People died. But not the "important" ones. Yasuie for example. Some fans want scabbards to die or some other.

[hardy shoal]

Yes, but Old Kaido nope

[midnight silo]

If big mom was sweating at the idea of fighting rocks

But she is laughing at the idea of fighting kaidou

Both hypothetical scenarios I'm using to explain my logic

Then clearly that is evidence that rocks is more powerful than kaidou

[hardy shoal]

Maybe, probably, likely because they weren't in their prime young and learning and now they are literally beasts

[primal cargo]

So this is why people make fun of powerscalers ?

[split glacier]

Who said Rocks was weaker than Kaido in the first place? lol

[crimson birch]

Bro oda confirmed gomu gomu mythical paranerica??

[midnight silo]

That's not the damn point. Damn your slow

[fading geode]

rocks had the strenght and the influence on the world even on bigger level than the pirate king, so hes def ++

[mystic crown]

We know big Mum vs kaido couldnt have been too serious because last chapter kaidou said he hasnt had a serious 1v1 in a long time

[split glacier]

No, you're just spouting randomness

[midnight silo]

My argument isn't about rocks or kaidou . It's about what reactions from certain characters means for facts in the damn story

[primal cargo]

Guess jokes aren't allowed on this cannel but insults are

[midnight silo]

Guess you can't read

[abstract pond]

Brills beats intelligence low diff

[mystic crown]

No insults or ad hominems please

[split glacier]

Is this your 12th account?

[edgy viper]

The current gap in strength will be nullified by SSG imho. By the time the final war happens, the WG will have gigantification, stronger pacifista and possibly even completely functional artificial devil fruits at their disposal. Now consider the fact they have a virtually infinite amount of slaves to gigantize / forcefeed these DFs to and we have ourselves a battle.

[crimson birch]

Monkey king fruit?? Gomu gomu no mi??

[midnight silo]

What other name would you give to the gomu gomu no mi

[fading geode]

vegapunk is the main key to fighting pirates for wg now

[mystic crown]

Please regulate your points as direct responses and dissection of opponent arguments NOT your opponents character

[midnight silo]

Fair enough

[crimson birch]

I wish vega punk is sanji's grand father

[midnight silo]

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/s5heal/belo_betty_and_dragon_1038_theory/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

[edgy viper]

Absolutely. And with Issho being an absolute mastermind, there is no way they'd do away with the Shichibukai if they didn't have a somewhat scalable solution at their hands already.

[midnight silo]

Greenbull is gonna be half fighting fish and half human

[primal cargo]

We're used to characters in One Piece being powerful in both "influence" and "individual strength". That's because the pirate world is one of violence where the strong get to rule the others. So the most important pirates are the ones who are strongest.
On the other hand, we have no idea how the Five Elders got to their position. So we have no reason to assume they got here thanks to their individual strength. We can't say anything about them tbh.

[midnight silo]

Based on the story. They are weaker than the admirals. Since the admirals are considered the strongest powers of the wg

That's what Robin said

[primal cargo]

I don't quite remember the line but I think I understand it as "the three admirals are the strongest force of the Navy"

Personnally I don't expect them to be any strong, but I'm happy to be surprised

[midnight silo]

They said wg. I knew there was gonna be that misconception

It's expected though

[primal cargo]

Got the exact quote ? What chapter was it ?

[midnight silo]

Idk check the mid to early 300s

When they fight aokiji and when kizaru comes through

[slate mirage]

The way Oda writes is that the ones in power are the strongest, so i wouldn't be surprised if the gorosei are strong

[midnight silo]

I think they will be strong. But to think that 6 yonko level people are just chilling up in the same room all day is ridiculous

[fading geode]

yes the celestial dragons

[midnight silo]

I have a prediction for 1038 that dragon is gonna break into impel down

[slate mirage]

what no

[mystic crown]

In anime they 100% say navy

[sinful helm]

one of the World Government's three greatest power

[coral zinc]

Wha

[primal cargo]

That's what I was responding to in my earlier message

[midnight silo]

Let me get the SOURCE material

[midnight silo]

You heard me bro.

[edgy viper]

The one thing I'm not convinced of is Vegapunk being a "bad guy" or some crazy scientist without a conscience. I suspect the WG having some kind of leeway over him that might or might not be connected to his time at MAD or his home island. By the time this conflict will be resolved, the WG will be able to reproduce Vegapunks work without Vegapunk himself, which is when he reveals to the Straw Hats the true nature of devil fruits, realizing the atrocities he's been unwillingly responsible for.

[mystic crown]

Also the reddit theory has a few intesting ideas. Defintiley loses me half way through though

[coral zinc]

No bro

[midnight silo]

Belo betty is the daughter of garp. Dragon isn't garps bio son.

[abstract pond]

If Vegapunk was evil I don't think Kuma would let him be his experiment.

[sinful helm]

it says episod 227

[split glacier]

Not this again...

[midnight silo]

This will be proved next chapter

[mystic crown]

Read the reddit theory he sent. First part is good after that it doesnt really work and the connections are weak

[fading geode]

Kuma let the world nobles fk around with him

[sinful helm]

lmao im garps son not dragon

[coral zinc]

Bro give me the link to the theory

Y'all have eaten the gomu gomu fruit cuz that shits too stretched

[sinful helm]

thats how ridiculous it sounds

[midnight silo]

What is weak in it lemme hear

[mystic crown]

Scroll up

[split glacier]

When it's not will you stop making alt accounts and stick to 1?

[abstract pond]

He could pull the biggest undercover move in history xd

[coral zinc]

Dis?

[midnight silo]

You can't just tell me the shits weak. Give me details

[mystic crown]

Give me a minute

[fading geode]

That's true tho, thats maybe the last wish vegapunk gave to him or someshit like that so hes still in line for that

[mystic crown]

Ive gotta read up on a few panels tho i will be a bit

[edgy viper]

I wouldn't discount the possibility of Kuma being blackmailed here, maybe even without Vegapunks knowledge. IIRC Kuma used to be a king of sorts and Bonney at one time refered to him as father. Kuma could've made the decision a) because the WG threatened his daughter or b) because the WG threatened his kingdom, eg with a Buster Call.

[primal cargo]

Here's the entirety of your reasoning for Betty being Garp's daughter.

"If it wasn't apparent. She is also the commander of the EAST BLUE ARMY. The east blue is VERY SIGNIFICANT TO DRAGON. He thinks about it all the fucking time he is basically on screen. This is also his homeland. That means the COMMANDER OF SAID SEA, is going to have a very close connection with dragon. Meaning she is FROM GOA.
She is dragons sister in law. The younger sister of his wife."

It's not that it's weak, you just haven't proven anything. Sure I guess it's possible but you don't provide anything to make it seem likely.

[abstract pond]

Hope we get a Kuma flashback. It's one of the characters we know less about.

[slate mirage]

The theory lost me as i was reading it. Still don't see why Bello Betty must be Garp's daughter.

[edgy viper]

Either this or Vegapunk is an undercover revolutionary himself who holds some kind of "killswitch" for Kuma's new programming.
Damn that would be hilarious. Imagine Kuma flipping on St. Charlos after that dork waited 2 years for his place on the Kuma rental waiting list.

[split glacier]

Shame how Kuma got dealt with. Great fruit and possible backstory. Now he's just a chair for a CD

[abstract pond]

That guy looks like a troll. Insulting people and absurd theories.

[abstract pond]

"Now he's just a chair for a CD" for now...

[sinful helm]

i think kuma is dead and vivi got "kidnapped" by Sabo

[split glacier]

He's been here many many times with multiple accounts. Once you disagree with him he goes off

[mystic crown]

Garps son is highly likely to be Dragon. First off he introduces dragons name as Monkey D dragon. Its not from helmepos conclusion its from Garp. Its unlikely dragon changed his name to this and even more unlikely Garp would force his family name of his son when he didnt for Ace

[primal cargo]

Idk, that role was already played by Kuma.

[crimson birch]

Guys when will chapter 1038 will be released

[sinful helm]

people pushing everyone and their grandmothers too be garps son/daughter instead of dragon

[fading geode]

today

[mystic crown]

Thr impel down part is likely but I highly doubt we will see it any time soon

[abstract pond]

It's pretty sad if he is not a troll then xd

[mystic crown]

Attack arguments not character

[edgy viper]

In my books, Kuma definetly will get a flashback. He's been introduced what, 700 chapters ago, and we basically know nothing but his name. Even his fruit is an entire enigma in and of itself. With his obvious ties to the RA, I guess we'll get a "this is the WG trying to set a precedent towards the other royalty because Kuma fed his citizens instead of paying the heavenly tribute" kind of backstory

[sinful helm]

the argument is as valid as me saying im garps son

[split glacier]

Just look out for the insults, bro and lmao whenever he messages. You'll start to notice the trend lol

[abstract pond]

He is the one that insulted first because I didn't agree with him. I'm not gonna waste time trying to talk with him unless he behaves.

[mystic crown]

I know but its much more productive to tell him what i told you then lash out with counter insults isnt it

[edgy viper]

True, which is why I personally lean more towards Kuma being blackmailed into full pacifistacation

[split glacier]

I don't think Vegapunk is 100% loyal to the WG, he just wants to build things and they allow him to. The other choice was death I'm guessing since he was captured by them.

[fading geode]

Hes loyal to science as every scientist ever

[mystic crown]

We know hes not loyal from the whole Kuma getting his wishes etc

[split glacier]

His SSG thing might be ridiculous tho. If you notice the time in which his genius is referenced the years change as if he gains 100s of years of information within a few years.

[sinful helm]

i think vegapunk is lik tom the shipbuilder in his views

not judging the weapons/battleships he makes as evil nor caring who uses them

[mystic crown]

Ssg 100% One of the biggest threats to Luffy rn alongside admirals. They were strong enough to replace warlords INCLUDING Mihawk and Boa

[split glacier]

I don't think Admiral level. They just won't be fodder like the PX. A threat but manageable.

[slate mirage]

Is Boa that strong tho? I mean, She is strong,but isn't Doflamingo stronger?

[split glacier]

Still strong tho.

Mingo would body a lot of the verse

[mystic crown]

I imagine ssg is just as strong as old warlords

[split glacier]

Gonna be some androids infused with DFs, Lunarian genes and some next shiz lol

[abstract pond]

Boa looks pretty strong to me. In the marineford she was doing whatever she wanted.

[mystic crown]

Boa has all 3 haki types and a hax devil fruit. I imagine if she had a bounty its around 700mil to 1 billion

[primal cargo]

In my headcannon she's one of the weaker warlords. She gets away with anything because she's beautiful so she doesn't have to be that strong

[abstract pond]

In mine she is like the third warlord

[primal cargo]

Plus her sisters got 1v2'd by pre-timeskip Luffy soo

[edgy viper]

SSG's strength will probably be measured in sheer numbers, similiar to how CP0 measured the strenghts of the Beast Pirates vs the Alliance. Which in turn will be their eventual demise, because til the bitter end the WG will believe the side who has more strong fighters wins instead of the side whose fighters work together. This theme is detrimental to One Piece and I cannot imagine a final war without it.

[slate mirage]

She is strong,but my point was that Doflamingo is probably stronger,since he is also awaken.

[edgy viper]

Very reasonable, I think so too. Plus, Vegapunk might find a way to coat the Pacifista in Armament Haki or have them use internal destruction.

[split glacier]

Possibly but I don't think Vegapunk will make another wave of fodder machines.

[abstract pond]

Maybe Boa too. I think only Mihawk and Blackbeard were stronger

[split glacier]

I don't know about that. To infuse "will" into a robot or whatever will be hard. They might have a DF counter but Haki might be hella op. However, that might be why they replaced the Warlords lol

[abstract pond]

Momonga who is one of the strongest vice admirals barely resisted her

[split glacier]

Vice Admirals = Fodder lol

[abstract pond]

Not all xd

[crimson birch]

https://tenor.com/view/hamster-hamstermeme-staring-watching-gif-13568561

[edgy viper]

Don't think they'd constitute fodder in this scenario. The fodder will be the remaining navy forces beneath vice-admiral that are still loyal to the WG. The cyborgs would probably range somewhere around the admirals, with some of them being somewhat stronger due to Lunarian genes, Haki capabilities or a fruit, and some of them being weaker. I don't see the cyborgs being uniform as in Marineford, they'll be customised to fit the opponent they're fighting.

[visual merlin]

Vice admirals aren't fodder, especially not the stronger ones

[primal cargo]

How about Vegapunk has mastered artificial devil fruits and can just make some for all the strong marine dudes

[split glacier]

I mean Garp is technically a VA but they all paper weight. The best is probably Smoker. None of them get real duels, just get cast aside or give orders.

[visual merlin]

They're strong anyway

[split glacier]

By fodder I mean the main cast will not be in real fight or battles with them. Like Zoro isn't fighting that moustache dude with the sword. He's not worth the time.

[vapid minnow]

Gorosei are talking about Chopper’s devil fruit, I actually forgot all about Chopper until now. But it’s definitely him

[edgy viper]

That's exactly why I believe Haki will play a role with SSG - because it would be hella op. With Haki being somewhat equivalent to willpower and a cyborg having no will of their own, they might be always fighting at 100% of their Haki capacity. That would be the kind of stupidly overpowered threat necessary to justify not only the dissolution but the immediate arrest of all Shichibukai, asserting peak dominance within OP world. Also that explains why we be speaking about Haki since friggin Sabaody

[abstract pond]

Smoker is not at all. He wasn't even one of the vice admiral candidates for admiral during time skip

Smoker it's pretty weak compared to the strong characters in One Piece

[split glacier]

I've only seen the rest get treated like NPCs lol. I only said him cos he at least had camera to see his feats and failures. The time of his promotion was mostly due to his not following strict orders attitude than power I think.

[split glacier]

Oh trust me, I know he's weak lol

[edgy viper]

Oh ok, sorry, I misunderstood. However, the "main cast" during the final war is a few dozen characters (revolutionaries, minks, scabbards, straw hat fleet and whatnot). We currently don't even have enough opponents for the Nakama, let alone their allies, so this is where I guess the pacifista will come in.

[coral zinc]

Bro mark my words smoker will be one of the strongest one day

[split glacier]

Well apply that to the other viable crews I guess. Like, do you really think any of those no names Vice Ads could capture Law, Kidd and the other Worst Generation (and people of that power range).

[split glacier]

Strongest what?

[visual merlin]

characters

[coral zinc]

Strongest characters

[split glacier]

In the entire OP world?

[visual merlin]

yea

[coral zinc]

Yup

He's not luffys rival since the beginning for nothing smh

[edgy viper]

No way in hell, that's why I'm saying we don't have enough opponents for the Staw Hats and their allies (I accounted the Supernovae silently in my listing). People like Kidd might well be fighting cyborgs during the final war.
An example of where I'm going: I can see Sabo fighting a pacifista with Akainu's magma powers and overpowering him despite having the "inferior" fruit. If we add up the entire anti-WG alliance we have way too many people and way too little human opponents.

[split glacier]

He'll have a better chance at surviving eating another devil fruit

[muted ember]

All Vice admirals have Haki they're not weak

[visual merlin]

Smoker probably will be one of the strongest people alive, it makes more sense than him not getting there

[coral zinc]

Bro I read the reddit theory, the bello Betty theory is kinda trash

[coral zinc]

Exactly 💯💯💯💯💯

[midnight silo]

So when I'm right next chapter. What will you be bro

[coral zinc]

10$

im poor bro

[sinful helm]

[coral zinc]

You have sum contacts on the inside?

U know what I mean ;)

[split glacier]

Yeah it's a numbers game. They need more bodies but those bodies have to be worth something. The SSG has to have more worth than the VAs

[mystic crown]

I understand this point but I do feel that Having this as an explanation for a dragon true identity plot reveal is just a unprecdented subversion of expectations without any indication to the reader beside the silhouette that it would occur

[coral zinc]

Not even related but can Barto create a thin layer of barrier around his body? Armament on steroids

[abstract pond]

He could have a goofy looking but strongest armor in the entire serie

Like his bari bari pistol

[coral zinc]

What would be the awakening 😳

[split glacier]

He becomes the barrier

[latent zodiac]

I have a funny thought.

Say bonclay meets doffy in impel down

Imagine if Oda writes it so that when Bon Clay gets doffy's face it would come with the glasses

[abstract pond]

Bari bari no mi is one of the best devil fruits feels like

[edgy viper]

They will. I genuinely believe that when SSG gets revealed, we'll all be like "holy mother of all fucks given, how we supposed to beat THIS?!"
I mean, we're pounding Kaido right now, one of the strongest combatants in the history of OP, after what felt like a decade of an uphill battle. From a reader's point of view the Navy better have a whole set of aces up their sleeves because if they don't, what's stopping us from cleaning house right here and now? Definetly not Smoker lol. Also from an in-world political perspective the Navy / WG need to step up their game because since the timeskip they've been on the receiving end virtually all the time. The last thing they need right now is their dominance being disputed.

[ancient vault]

Whats the topic of discussion here?

[edgy viper]

The potential nature of SSG, specifically the next generation of pacifista, and what they need to bring to the table in order for the WG to compete with an alliance of revolutionaries, minks, samurai, supernovae and the straw hats themselves

[ancient vault]

Ah I think SSG are clones or creations mixed with dragon lunarian and other races DNA and amplified by wapometal

[midnight silo]

Dragon will break into impel down for Morley and karasu minimum

Morley created LEVEL 5.5 in impel down. Of the few known things about him thats clearly significant to his character

Boa at the min. has been captured. Mihawk I'm unsure, buggy and weevil very unlikely

The revolutionary army seem to be a martial arts based group.

Most of their top members have unique martial arts

It makes sense that Betty whose fruit isn't offensive possesses some form of martial art

[split glacier]

Something like that is what we were thinking. Wondering whether it's gonna be actual threats like Warlord level power or just fodder to slow them down. Can't be weaker than VAs unless there's thousands of them.

[midnight silo]

And it is very likely she uses the same fighting style as garp since she's his actual child

And she will use this attack in 1038.

The attack was revealed in 438
Trebol also used a very similar attack in 738 exactly 300 chapter s later

[slate mirage]

What If Betty is related to Trebol,since both have glasses

[mystic crown]

I just think that while the relationship is there its too convoluted and awkward as a plot point to be revealed

[midnight silo]

The troll on this chat is gold. They bait you into clowning back

[abstract pond]

The SSG vould also be something about mind control. It wiuld be a good edcuse to make Zoro and Mihawk fight xd

[midnight silo]

What's awkward about it

[wooden raft]

Hey can anyone explain manga 1037 ch which devil fruit they are talking about and what is so special about it?

[muted ember]

https://youtu.be/YXkYm2YYeTQ

[midnight silo]

Oda has established that vague info leads to misconceptions like this

[muted ember]

This is a video on an idea I have that Luffy and Rocks are similar, as well as Luffy having parallels to the Yonko. They explain it pretty much as I would

[mystic crown]

Its very strange as a reveal for bello betty a character who has recieved such a small spotlight would be the descendant of garp. Also luffys whole identity is so connected to the Monkey title fans wouldnt like that change that hes actually a rox grandson. Oda wouldnt do that.

[abstract pond]

Only Oda knows so we have to wait.

[muted ember]

They use panels and everything it's a really good video

[midnight silo]

He is both

He is both garp and rocks grandson. You gotta be dumb to think luffy isn't related to garp

The resemblance is uncanny g

[mystic crown]

How tf is he both unless luffys mum was garps daughter. Belo betty? Wtf this is too weird

[midnight silo]

No lol

[hoary hatch]

There are several competing theories about this. The gomu gomu fruit theory is based on how Whos who previously hinted that Luffy's fruit was so important that losing it cost him his job. Tama's fruit is another possibility since her power to control animals is already powerful, but if awakening the fruit allows her to control humans (the SMILEs are a recent development so no one could have anticipated her being able to control them) it would be really dangerous. There is also the theory that it is Robin's fruit since, the name is misleading and the elders mention changing the name of the fruit to mislead people.

[midnight silo]

No one is making the argument for belo Betty being luffys mother. She is 34. We aren't going into pedo territory here.

I'm saying that she is the younger sister of dragons wife. Who got DISNEYED from op

https://tenor.com/view/bambi-mom-mother-lost-snow-gif-13569316

[runic anvil]

are we allowed to talk about the most recent chapter here?

[ancient vault]

The most popular theories rn are

Zunesha has a DF or its Tamas DF.
Or its a completely unknown fruit

Luffys fruit makes no sense looking at the dialogue of the goroei

[midnight silo]

Yeah

[midnight silo]

Why would it be tamas fruit

[mystic crown]

So how is luffy garps grandson and roxes then if Garp and rox are both on his dads side of the family

[mystic crown]

Something about it controlling zunesha but i dont agree with it

[midnight silo]

No the point of the theory is that garp doesn't have a biological son. He has biological daughters

[ancient vault]

Because Tamas fruit could have been used in the past to control Zunesha and other beasts/animals

[fading geode]

luffys mother is garps daughter and luffys father is dragon which is rocks son

[midnight silo]

And. Why tf would that become relevant all of a sudden

[fading geode]

what's so hard to understand huh ?

[mystic crown]

On his dads side

[midnight silo]

Thank you lol. I said this 5 times

[fading geode]

lmao he doesn't understand that you have 2 familys coming together to form a new one

[midnight silo]

https://tenor.com/view/pointing-laughing-you-lol-youre-funny-gif-7517608

[fading geode]

hes incest

[ancient vault]

Dragon is Garps son. It was said directly in a vivrecard

[midnight silo]

Allow the guy

[primal cargo]

I dunno man you called it dogshit yourself so can you really claim ownership of this theory lmao

[mystic crown]

Thank you swrml

[midnight silo]

This will get proved next chapter man cope

When belo Betty uses the same fighting style as garp next chapter. That will be visual comfirmation

[mystic crown]

Do you want to bet on it

[midnight silo]

Yeah I'm down

[mystic crown]

Loser gets name change for a weak

Or mute whatever suites you

[fading geode]

go ask the mountain bandits dragon is rocks son

[digital tapir]

Doesn’t luffy have enough important family members already

[ancient vault]

no bet hes banned

[mystic crown]

Lmao why

I would have got another free bet

[ancient vault]

alt

[fading geode]

what do you mean swrml? you sneak dissing or what

[mystic crown]

Ohh..Why was he banned before that tho

[primal cargo]

Just messing around don't worry about it I understand what you mean

[ancient vault]

alts again

[split glacier]

And he's gone 😢

[mystic crown]

Why does he need alts

[muted ember]

I know who he is he's very toxic that's usually the reason for the first ban

[ancient vault]

But if you're talking about the first time. Prob because hes very hostile

[mystic crown]

Lets just say i needed a rebuttal that wasnt countered by Japanese culture argument

[muted ember]

Next time he's in here I'll trigger him and show y'all lol

[fading geode]

anyways it wasn't my theory, you just didn't understand how familys work

[mystic crown]

Dude wtf is this. I asked how he can have two grandads ON DADS SIDE and i dont understand how family works

Man said bello betty was Garps daughter so i assumed his agenda was betty as luffys mum being the only way he can possibly think garp and rox were both grandparents but then he invents this mythical second garls daughter as luffys mum AND IM DUMB

[fading geode]

he doesn't have two grandads on dads side lmao

one is garp because his mother, other is rocks because of his father if we follow his theory

[mystic crown]

Exactly thats what i assumed but he invented a mythical second garp daughter that he never mentioned before and made it to be luffys mum

[fading geode]

okay we good

[mystic crown]

We good. Im mad at how dead set the other guy was on headcanon

[fading geode]

true, he was before a few hours ago

i disagreed with his theory, only the part with rocks and dragon sounds interesting

would make sense to get some backstory on how that happened

[mystic crown]

Where was that proof shanks beat mihawk

[primal cargo]

You mean the fan comic one

[sharp anvil]

Shanks can't even challenge him anymore without his arm

[primal cargo]

Idk about present day but at the very least Mihawk won the last time they dueled. Otherwise no one would ever have called him the strongest swordsman

[hoary hatch]

There is also the possibility that the two were evenly matched until Shanks lost his good arm and that made Mihawk the best by default.

[sharp anvil]

At sword fighting

[hoary hatch]

In either case, it is important to remember that Shanks didn't become one of the Yonko until few years after losing his arm in Chapter 1. So even with just his non-dominant arm, he was powerful enough to challenge the other Yonko. Either that, or his crew was just that damn good that Shanks was only needed as the commander.

[sharp anvil]

There's gotta be something special about Shanks crew

[dense carbon]

To even build a crew, you would have to prove you're strong

[mystic crown]

True

[dense carbon]

People aren't going to just blindly follow and risk their life for some random dude walking down the street

[hoary hatch]

One Piece seems to have a lot of failures. And by that I mean, people who were fighting for the top spot in whatever area of interest or some other lofty goal, but failed to succeed in that and are now old and kinda bitter about that. Crocodile and Gecko Moria couldn't become the pirate king. Buggy lost his chance to seize all those sunken treasures and could never match his childhood rival. Kaido failed to become the Joyboy. Mihawk seems to have lost his interest in bettering himself after he lost Shanks as a rival.

[primal cargo]

Obviously the boys became strong during their travels, just like the Strawhats have

[mystic crown]

What is that conclusion. It comes out of nowhere

[primal cargo]

Sounds good to me. There's this pretty neat theory about Mihawk and Shanks by The Hidden Island. I don't necessarily expect Mihawk to be a former crewmate of Shanks', but for sure they were rivals for the title at some point

[hoary hatch]

Even Roger was a failure of a kind. Sure, they called him the pirate king, but he himself couldn't fullfill his dream because "he was too early" and in a flashback he laughs about his title while talking to Whitebeard. All these people had a lofty goal that they failed to reach and now the next generation has arrived with a chance to succeed where others failed.

[mystic crown]

I understand the failure idea but I failt to see how wss is related to pirate king of joyboy

[abstract pond]

Roger did fullfill his dream

He wanted to be the first to reach Laugh Tale and so he did

[mystic crown]

Roger failed to be Joyboy if you wanna got there only becuase he was too early

[sharp anvil]

We don't know what Roger and luffys really dream is

[hoary hatch]

Incorrect. Reaching the end of Grand Line was just part of his dream. When they got to the island they laughed and cried because they were "too early" and it wasn't until two decades later (time of Luffy) that whatever secret goal they had, could be accomplished.

[primal cargo]

Roger's final goal was the one we couldn't hear

But this doesn't have to be connected to Roger.
Looking at Mihawk, he definitely stands out as a dude who doesn't really care. He doesn't train, he's not trying to get stronger it seems. At the Baratie he said he was "killing some time".
Only when Zoro showed potential as a future worthy opponent did he start to act interested. So it does look llike Mihawk has just been missing a good rival.

[pure raven]

There’s some theories about that

[abstract pond]

oops xd

[quaint haven]

One thing that bugs me is how old zunesha is... another thing that I always wondered is who in the past has had the perpetual youth surgery for people in the present to know of its power. Maybe the surgery was used on zunesha? I mean, Im probably wrong but something is keep that thing alive longer than it should surely...

[abstract pond]

The surgery I bet was Imu

[quaint haven]

According to Doflamingo, the World Nobles possess a national treasure and if this treasure is used in combination with the Ope Ope no Mi, it would allow the person to effectively conquer the entire world.[18]

I forgot about this, an I said this to my friend the other day what if laws fruit hasn't been awakened for centuries because none of the users themselves were doctors. Also is his fruit really a "operation fruit"? Or something more

[primal cargo]

I think Law's fruit is op enough as is

[quaint haven]

Clues in the name haha

But I think it's possible the fruit they are talking about is laws fruit.

[primal cargo]

A cool theory about this is that Imu themselves is the treasure. With the Ope Ope fruit you could switch bodies with Imu and technically become the ruler of the world ?

[quaint haven]

Combining a doctor fruit with a item will let u conquer the world? Doesn't seem like a operation fruit to me

[abstract pond]

Is not a "operation fruit". One of the previous users was a doctor so it has fame of that. But it's much more. The WG put a reward on the fruit of almost the same amount of Whitebeard's bounty

[primal cargo]

Well, obviously someone thought "Ope-Ope" was a good name. Doesn't necessarily mean it's a fake name. Robin's fruit isn't a "flower fruit"

[quaint haven]

Then again, a devil fruit user knows the name of an powers of the fruit after they eat it, I doubt law would hide that true name so that kills my theory I guess haha

[slim moat]

They might be talking about Tama's df. She must have eaten it when she was hungry. Oldman Kozuki must have taken it with him when he left flower capital.

[abstract pond]

The user knows the name because they can search it after knowing what powers it has. The name doesn't come to them just by eating it.

[primal cargo]

This is fake information, has been talked about a few times here

[quaint haven]

Really? Interesting

[primal cargo]

I mean not "fake" but it's wrong. Comes from a translation issue

[slim moat]

Kozuki clan has very old history.

[ancient vault]

What Buca said. Some devil fruits in the devil fruit book do not have illustrations thats why you can only tell after trying the abiltities out and fitting them to the description of said fruit

[primal cargo]

^

[quaint haven]

I think that entire page is very misleading. I don't think the bits with zunesha are connected atall to what the Goresei are talking about. I think it's a classic mis direction with us only seeing half the conversation while slapping it in the middle of other panels

[ancient vault]

"classic" in what sense. Dont remember Oda ever doing that

[abstract pond]

I love how Oda makes people go nuts theorizing with a couple panels xd

[ancient vault]

What he has done is paneling like this to hint at a connection. For example doffys national treasure speech and ims appearance with a strawhat

[amber mason]

i have a stupid theory

[primal cargo]

People have been saying this a lot, anyone got examples ?

[pure raven]

buggy is luffys mom

[abstract pond]

we'll judge that

[quaint haven]

@primal cargo isn't every Goresei panel either misleading or missing information 😂

[pure raven]

evankov turns her into a male

[primal cargo]

Well umm maybe but that's two different things

[quaint haven]

Oda loves leaving things unexplained and keeping ppl guessing

[amber mason]

ok so my theory is that the one piece is a recipe to create the ultimate devil fruit, maybe during the world century people had op devil fruits that you could eat multiple, and the world government killed them all and release what we know as natural devil fruits which are artifcial and that maybe luffy will eat a true devil fruit and destory the red line or do something crazy

im only on marineford but thats my 2 cents

[quaint haven]

I mean look at blackbeard, the panel where luffy an zoro tell nami its not him but "them"

[pure raven]

shs may be referring to blackbeard crew

[primal cargo]

Yes, that's unexplained but obviously it will be addressed at some point

"teach has a strange body" and all that

[muted ember]

U can't say it's a misdirect if we don't know what it means

[abstract pond]

The straw hat in Marijoa is smaller than I remember

[pure raven]

no way nami would notice blackbeard is more than one people and they will definitely discuss that or act surprised or some shit

[ancient vault]

same lmao

[quaint haven]

@pure raven she didn't, zoro an luffy did

[ancient vault]

its probably youtube thumbnails making it seem gigantic

[quaint haven]

Why they keeping a hat in a freezer more importantly 😂 😂 😂

[muted ember]

I think it's a casket

[abstract pond]

I never seen one. But reading theories here and reddit about being from a giant probably altered my perception xd

[quaint haven]

Hat + opi opi = joyboy😂

[vapid minnow]

How can a hat be a casket?

[muted ember]

Not the hat the chamber itself

[primal cargo]

Wait about this "hired killer" situation... Did someone send an agent to Doffy's cell ? Then that could just as well be someone who came to free him rather than kill him. Dude's a Celestial Dragon

[abstract pond]

maybe "opium opium" is the real name

[muted ember]

I can't think of the word for it right now but it's like a fancy grave

[ancient vault]

I think es just going crazy

[muted ember]

Or it could be a cryogenic chamber

[ancient vault]

you mean similar to the one in PH

[quaint haven]

Plot twist, joy boy ate the hat hat fruit an became a hat

[slim moat]

Why everyone want to destroy redline?

[ancient vault]

or the ones with the clones in WCI

[slim moat]

It's there since way before void century

[abstract pond]

To create the all blue and unite the world or something like that

[ancient vault]

I dont think such fruit exists tbh. Nor do I think its a good idea such fruit exists

[abstract pond]

Some say the red line was created by the wg at the end of the void century

[primal cargo]

Or the one on Thriller Bark

[muted ember]

Idk specifically which one but there's a lot of examples of bodies being preserved or frozen

[slim moat]

All blue can be done some other way. But destroying redline won't change anything.

[amber mason]

i was more saying trying to say the smiles are similar to what we think are natural devil fruits and that they are artifical and that there are more natural devil fruits

[abstract pond]

crypt?

[primal cargo]

I for one sure as hell say that

[muted ember]

But I don’t think it's a clone I think it's a real person

[vapid minnow]

I think it’s safe to assume there’s other important relics in the other chambers, maybe a devil fruit or a poneglyph is being preserved in one of the chambers

[ancient vault]

Imu? Or everyone in that chamber?

[slim moat]

No. Redline exists way before void century.

[abstract pond]

It would make a point where the four oceans connect

[primal cargo]

Got any source for that ?

[vapid minnow]

this could make sense but then where’s the body?

[quaint haven]

What theories are there on what crime zunesha committed?

I heard he eats sky apples... maybe he accidently destroyed a city in the sky an it landed on his back.

[slim moat]

They have calendar.

[muted ember]

The bodies in the chamber not Imu that's if I'm correct

[primal cargo]

What ?

[abstract pond]

shop lifting

[quaint haven]

@abstract pond 😂

He's so big he probably ate someone by accident

[slim moat]

You forgot Noland book?

[muted ember]

Yes ty

[primal cargo]

What about it ? Noland was alive 400 years ago

[slim moat]

They use sea circle calendar.

[muted ember]

Under the block the hat is on. Imagine the body is standing straight up but underground if that makes sense

[vapid minnow]

i don’t think so because if you look at the walls surrounding the chamber it looks like they’re curving inwards toward where the hat is placed. Almost like a semi circular dome/ half cylinder

[slim moat]

Present date is some 1600ish year as per that calendar

[muted ember]

But Doflamingo mentioned the personality switch AND the surgery, so the treasure is either IM or another person/body

[muted ember]

Why wouldn't a body fit tho? I'm confused

[vapid minnow]

Doflamingo was referring to Imu, he likely knows of his existence and that’s why the Gorosei had let Mingo roam freely all that time. They want to avoid such a leak to come out publicly.

[ancient vault]

Why would there be the ground tho? If theres a body under

[primal cargo]

In the 1100s yes so what ? Are you saying that the "sea circle era" is the era of the Red Line ?

[vapid minnow]

they all have it tho, it just looks like a frame

[ancient vault]

ur not getting what I mean

[vapid minnow]

no I see the line

but that’s likely the frame from another angle

[ancient vault]

Tray is saying that theres a body under the strawhat in every chamber. I dont get why there would be the ground seperating the fruit and the body instead of just letting the strawhat on the head of the body

[slim moat]

Back to the mysterious devil fruit,

I think it is Tama's df. Kozuki Sukiyaki had it with him when he ran away during Orochi time. It might be family treasure. Tama ate it. It's possible some guy in Kozuki family or their friend might have used the millet power to tame the elephant. Or used it in war at large scale. It can have devastating outcome similar to how Tama did it during raid.

So the story might be big legend. That's why 5 Elders are surprised by it. It was with Kozuki family all these years. Never used after void century..

[vapid minnow]

oh yeah, that I agree. Unless a separate chamber has a open casket for someone unrelated to the hat

[ancient vault]

I heard that possiblity too. That it was kept a secret until that day

[muted ember]

I don't think there's hats in every chamber, each one is different and the object signifies what body it is, like a trophy or something

[abstract pond]

But why would SUkiyaki run from Orochi? He just had to talk a few words and Orochi was done for.

[vapid minnow]

I originally thought it was Tama’s fruit because all the signs points towards her abilities being a mystery and relating to Zunesha somehow. But then I remembered Chopper existed.

It’s definitely Chopper’s fruit because everyone always assumed Chopper was a pet, but now people are learning he ate Devil Fruit. Also Hito Hito no Mi: Human Form doesn’t make sense, so it has to be Hito Hito No Mi: Something else.

[slim moat]

Yeah. Also Tama powers are the first thing we saw in Wano arc. She tamed two huge animals.

[primal cargo]

So the whole place is a tomb and every chamber has the personal belongings of the person buried in it ?

[ancient vault]

ik that wasnt my point. Im saying why is there the ground. Lets say one chamber doesnt even have a hat. Why not just have the body showing straight up

[slim moat]

What do you think sea circle means?

[primal cargo]

Because you don't do that with dead bodies ? You ever been to a graveyard lmao

[vapid minnow]

But it’s not a graveyard, it’s a frozen chamber

[primal cargo]

I dunno you seem to be implying that it's referring to the Red Line but please elaborate that's interesting

[muted ember]

Well I think they each have something just not a hat so I don't have an answer for that. Maybe the bodies need to be completely covered or maybe IM is not the only one who's been in there but only he knows about the bodies

[slim moat]

WG is very informative. CP9 fought Chopper. They have full data file on him. Why they make comments after so many years?

[ancient vault]

well the point is to preserve their bodies and to recognize them

[vapid minnow]

I don’t think there is a body under the Straw Hat but maybe a casket placed in one of the other tombs is possible.

[ancient vault]

meh. ig its possible but theres really nothing suggesting sth like this

[primal cargo]

That could be the point of the hat being there

[muted ember]

Doflamingo's quote suggests he was going to switch his body w someone/something

[abstract pond]

Chopper's fruit most likely not being the one gorosei is talking but could be a mythical zoan. It's really weird that there is a fruit that just has human powers.

[slim moat]

Redline is more to do with some old lore. Not related celestial dragons and world government. Marygeoise is not built by WG. They took it over after killing King's race. So the natural formations have nothing do with present suffering.

[primal cargo]

This. A big argument in favor of Tama is that the Gorosei just learned of her existence

[abstract pond]

But then again, one of the most badass guys in one piece has a mocchi fruit so who knows xd

[muted ember]

And the SH having ice on it suggests it's cold which goes w freezing bodies

[ancient vault]

you cant switch with corpse I think

[vapid minnow]

No the WG is definitely not informative about Chopper otherwise his bounties would never been so low. Also CP9 was chased down by the Marines & WG AFTER losing to the Straw Hats, so it’s not like they could have ever reported it. Chopper’s been always assumed to be the pet of the Straw Hats. The Gorosei just learning now is because CP0 is watching the main floor and likely saw Chopper save everyone from the Ice Oni AND transform to slap Queen.

[ancient vault]

I think he meant imu tbh

[muted ember]

Not being able to work on corpses is an assumption. Do u think he could personality swap Brook?

[primal cargo]

How do you know that ? What does the "sea circle calendar" have to do with this ?

[slim moat]

The geography is part of one piece world. It might be created by ancient empire to accommodate something? How I am supposed to know. We can only make theories about its creation.

[ancient vault]

brooks alive not dead. Its just a joke. Technically his body is dead but Brook is alive so its possible because I dont think Laws DF is tied to the body working.
And yes its an assumption

[muted ember]

He is a corpse tho

That's not a joke lol

[ancient vault]

Do you want me to correct myself to dead people?

Hes not dead. His body is dead yes. But Brook is alive. Him constantly saying "im already dead" is just a joke based on the fact that he died.

[muted ember]

U don't have to correct anything I'm just using the word u picked

[abstract pond]

But why wouldn't Law be able to swap with corpses and so? He can do it with everyting.

[primal cargo]

Well my theory about its creation is that it was made during the void century using Pluton

[vapid minnow]

Brook’s fruit gives him a second chance at life. Think of it like in a video game, the only thing is though Brook’s soul took too long to rediscover his body so it already became a corpse

[ancient vault]

Same reason why Big Mom cant put souls into corpses

I dont think you would be bringing up Brook if he had been smart enough to find his body before it started decaying . If he had his healthy body noone would doubt him as "alive"

[muted ember]

Here's something far out. Law's awakening was seemingly able to change the physiology of BM body temporarily. Maybe he could affect a corpse to imitate life in a way, just long enough to perform the operation

[ancient vault]

Its just the fact he is in a decayed body that makes him look like a walking corpse

[slim moat]

Void century is more like political thing. Not big physical changes to the world. The seasons and stuff are part of one piece world.

[ancient vault]

What did Laws awakening do to BMs body

[abstract pond]

Is Brook immortal now? I mean from age, diseases and so

[muted ember]

Kids metal should not have hurt her

[primal cargo]

I think there's ground to say the void century did see great changes to the world. The Ancient Weapons are literally "weapons powerful enough to destroy the world" and they were made at that time

[muted ember]

I'm pretty sure Law made her vulnerable