manga-theories

[stoic girder]

Time Capsules are the best way to revisit the past without the living present

[stoic girder]

One Piece: It's just a Time Capsule folks Theory

Note before you start reading:
-Tl;dr will be at the bottom
-Thank you for taking the time to read this and sorry if my grammar and english isn't perfect.

What's the one piece
The One Piece is just a time capsule left by a group of friends and Joyboy to be opened in a few centuries. I'm assuming the time capsule includes things like joyboy's logbook, cool stuff like dials and other wild gadgets. A time capsule would be pretty fitting seeing as it contains memories of Joyboy meaning that he still lives on through the ages.

Why a time capsule?

A time capsule is the best thing Oda could work with in explaining the void century, ancient weapons and etc and any other cool things he would wnat to share about joyboy and his pals. After all Time capsules are the best way to revisit the past even without the living present. Without time capsules or other essential artifacts of the past, we wouldn't be able to know our own history. I imagine it's why the D name has been able to survive for all this centuries.

Why would Joyboy leave behind a time capsule?
I probably imagine when he has his group of pals reached Laughtale. They decided to mark this occasion by leaving a time capsule for future generations to let them know that we were here and are still alive. Similar to how the Shandora rings their great bell to Noland know where they are. Plus a time, capsule would be the best way to carry on their will to future generations. After all a person doesn't die when being killed, it's when they're forgotten.

Time Capsule isn't a cool treasure though
I have nothing to say to you, please just reread orange town on the value of treasure.

Extras

• Joyboy's treasure could have a different name since technically it was called the One Piece by the One Piece World.

-The Time Capsule will include a song dial that shows the original creator singing Binks Sake!

[junior gazelle]

GUYS one piece is actually one piece lets all clap

[stoic girder]

Tl;dr: It's in the damn title of this post
https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/rvorl6/one_piece_its_just_a_time_capsule_folks/

[stoic girder]

You'd be surprise how many theories about the one piece ends with something like it's some ancient powerful treasure that can destroy the world.

[junior gazelle]

alr know

[weak arrow]

@foggy arrow we only allow seriously made theories in this channel.

[foggy arrow]

It's a serious theory

[steel hemlock]

kizaru will come to onigashima with a huge army he will take all pirates right there and they are all going to be executed and there is big war

[weak arrow]

It was not. If you continue to post about it, you'll receive a punishment, so I suggest refraining.

[foggy arrow]

Dont tell me you keep this up but not mine

[steel hemlock]

🤨

[weak arrow]

While I agree the theory is unlikely, it's not based in a joke.

[foggy arrow]

who said I was joking 🤨

[mystic crown]

Theories need evidence

[mortal field]

Damn

[weak arrow]

Now we can move on.

[junior gazelle]

damn bro ur such a karen

[stoic girder]

Who ever said they liked my theory. Thank you mystery person. I will sadly never know who said they liked it

[mortal field]

Void Century just happen

[weak arrow]

So roger laughed at the time capsule? And then ignored it and just got all that cool lore anyway, which is apart of the one piece btw

So I must disagree overall with the theory

[stoic girder]

Well when you take in the fact that Roger is a sick man and dying and managed to read someone's past and realized he couldn't do anything about it. Then yeah

I just like the time capsule idea since it's a cool way to end someone's journey.

[weak arrow]

I mean, it could be an insignificant part of the one piece I suppose

But it’s not the one piece

[stoic girder]

I want the whole one piece to be a time capsule

Just a recollection of Joyboy and his boys treasures and answers left in one huge time capsule. Me likey

I'm also hoping that Joyboy had the musician who created Binks Sake

[weak arrow]

A large part of your reasoning already exists in poneglyph form.

[stoic girder]

yeah. what about it?

[weak arrow]

Poneglyphs basically do what you want except the bink’s sake thing

And we already know at least one poneglyph is apart of one piece lol

[stoic girder]

Poneglyphs are bassically time capsules

[weak arrow]

The theory should really seem like it should center around why a dial for bink’s sake will be apart of one piece vs one piece is a time capsule

[stoic girder]

I mean you could do that, but the thing with this theory is. It centers around the fact that i'm excited to learn about what's in the time capsule. Time Capsules are bassically giant surprise boxes filled with goodies. That's the main reason I came up with this theory. I never expected it to be logical, I just like it.

I'm a simply guy

One Piece Time Capsule
-Binks Sake
-Joyboys log book(His journey around the world and all the secrets of the world. The main important thing)
-Cool gadgets they used in the void century
-New recipes for foods
-Logpose to Joyboy's hometown(throwaway idea)
More unknowns and unknowns to put in a time capsule.

[modest crane]

Dude what

I think it’s a fun idea but I don’t see it happening

[stoic girder]

That's cool. What would be your idea of the one piece then?

The part about uniting everyone seems like an interesting concept. I see where you're coming from

Something that can overall be a symbol I guess.

Like the X mark back in Alabasta

[near panther]

Honestly love this theory, it sounds like something Joyboy would do if Luffy is really anything like him

But why would Roger think he was too early? There has to be something else on laughtale

[round canopy]

maybe it said don’t open for X amount of years or something

[near panther]

Nah, i doubt that, Joyboy learned something that he needed the future generations to do for him

[ashen spindle]

Perhepas because Luffy was not born yet and he is supposed to be “New JoyBoy”

[near panther]

I think it might be about freeing the world

Like what was said about Nika, “free the slaves from their oppressive masters (wg?) and bring smiles to their faces” something like that

Probably related

[ashen spindle]

I would like to get to know more about Imu and Straw Hat in his palace

[split glacier]

Oda said the next time we see Nika you'll see her/his face

[ancient vault]

Btw

[heavy ocean]

At the end of Levelly, Blackbeard mentioned he and his crew were going to get "that" before the marines do. What do you guys think he was talking about

[ancient vault]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/733634688102432809/925494866018983966/unknown.png
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Vegapunk used lunarian genes in the artificial dragon.
Have a feeling SSG might bee a mix of many different races and genes. Like lunarian (king) , ancient giant and dragon (kaido) and whazever he gathered on PH or elsewhere

repost from different server but from me

[pure raven]

He wants Buggy D. Clown who knows exactly how to get to Laughtale

[golden lantern]

u may expect blackbeard to come to wano cuz he set sail in reverie after seeing luffys bounty

[pure raven]

Buggy secretly followed Roger and crew to Laughtale thanks to his devil fruit

[golden lantern]

nah man buggy aint interested in one piece

[pure raven]

But Blackbeard is

[golden lantern]

yea

https://youtu.be/2MsDUzyJqVQ

u guys watched this right??

[split glacier]

Blackbeard has more important things than Wano

[heavy ocean]

Another possibility is that he sailed to Tottoland to steal Big Moms ponelglyph knowing her crew is in Wano

And possibly attack Kaidos crew once hes sufficiently weakened by the samurai and Luffys alliance

Which leads us to the last part of the saga involving the search for the "lost" road ponelglyph

[split glacier]

So the fan chapter

[heavy ocean]

Makes logical sense

I thought that might happen before the fan chapter was out

We all know he is very opportunistic and would never pick fights he knows he wouldnt win

So when is the perfect time to dethrone two yonkous with one stone?

[split glacier]

BB doesn't care about taking out other Yonko. You don't need to defeat the rest to win. He's after something the WG was after, protecting or something like that. It's definitely not a PG

[weak plaza]

Zoro and Luffy conqueror haki easteregg show since old version episodes.
It’s just we never notice.

Their clash of anger make sparkling lightning and distorted space.

We take it as a joke until we see these day Roger Vs white beard and Conqueror Haki ability

Meanwhile Nami, strongest Anti-Haki
Lol

[ancient vault]

why would it not be a Poneglyph?

[robust sierra]

I think g5/awakening will be luffy spawning rubber vines and swinging around like a monkey maybe, similar to how katakuri spawns Mochi in the air

[pure raven]

Luffys df isn't a producer one

[digital epoch]

I like that theory about the One Piece being some kind of time capsule, and the reason why Roger says that he was too early is because there's some kind of time lock put onto it by Joy Boy or someone else so nobody can open it until exactly 800 years have passed. It probably opened some time during the timeskip, and is now just waiting for someone to come claim it
It would make even more sense for why the time skip happened and why it went on for so long

[stoic girder]

Yep, but the only thing that I'm wondering about is why set the time lock to 820 years. It's the biggest flaw within the time capsule theory sadly

[digital epoch]

I think it was 800 years exactly. Roger was there 780 years after such a lock would be set

[stoic girder]

Odens flashback scrambled my brain with the one piece calendar

[digital epoch]

We see a lot of 8-pointed symbols when it comes to ancient stuff (alabasta, Skypeiea, the Moon, the 8 celestial bodies around the planet on the globe in Ohara...)

Sometimes I just wish Robin would just get to stand around and talk with the crew about stuff that she probably learned while at Ohara
She's unique in the crew as she's the only one to have anything remotely approaching a formal education, think of all the secrets she learned just as a kid absorbing the knowledge of Ohara by osmosis, stuff that nobody else in the crew knows

Like, just the simple stuff
Names of the planets, broad strokes of world history, simple laws of physics, stuff that the crew and we the audience would learn so much from

Same thing with Chopper and Franky, how they know secrets of biology and weird human anatomy and what is probably really cool science and technology facts that both the crew and the audience would be really interested in, especially from a theory perspective

[sinful helm]

Or turning everything into rubber even people

Crew wouldn't be interested

Like I don't see luffy zoro sanji etc being interested in human anatomy

[clear apex]

https://youtu.be/RX3d8x1WCBA

Best theory

[desert comet]

pretty damn good

[pearl wagon]

It's good, except it kinda forgets about the whole "Wealth, fame, power." Thing.

[modest skiff]

When posting videos, please put some level of effort into telling us what the theory says and what your thoughts are on it. This channel is intended for more effort to be put into discussion when compared to the other channels.

[modest skiff]

my theory on the meaning of 8 is shown here if you are interested #manga-theories message

[gentle lily]

Everything he says in the theory makes sense to me, except for the fact that Roger could have used the One Piece but didnt. Like if it was just a huge amount of sake, why would Roger and co have to wait 20 years.

[pearl wagon]

Yeah, but there's just that one missing detail, otherwise it's a brilliant theory.

And also turning the world upside down

There is also a youtube comment that says a few things about this

[modest skiff]

I think its a pretty huge detail. We are told pretty clearly it was too early

[pearl wagon]

The following theory is a response to artur in his comments by shubham anand

We forget that for the past 25 years , Reighley and other roger crew members have known what the onepiece is .
But they decide not to do anything about it, such as move it for safety or safekeeping, which only makes sense if it's a physical but symbolic object like sake, rather than a superweapon ship or unique devil fruits.

However, White Beard's final words refer to the one-piece, such as "as soon as the treasure was discovered, the world will be turned upside down," which I believe hints at a more destructive force,
Also when you consider Black Beard's final motivation or the reason he needs to fight Luffy in the final battle, it only makes sense that they would fight over the one-piece itself.

Then, obviously, the last battle should be based on the premise that if black beard got his hands on the one-piece, the world would once again be in darkness for the next 800 years.
As he is the Luffy parallel (the night bringer instead of the dawn). So, Sake does not fit here.

So, I believe Blink sake is undoubtedly at the laugh tale, but it is not the only thing. One piece must has be something more than history, as it must drive Luffy to declare war on the world, vowing the annihilation of the reverse mountain, Maria Joe, and Redline, and the grand line.

[modest skiff]

There are a lot of other reasons it could need to wait beyond being symbolic and whatnot. Shirahoshi, for example, was not around for a long time. We don't know how much time is in between each Poseiden being born. Cycles/delays are clearly present, such as Joyboy saying he will be back at some point

https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Joy_Boy

Read through this. Lots of indications waiting can mean someone existing or not existing. The symbolism thing does not appear likely

[olive belfry]

i mean even though they found the sake they also found the true history so they knew that the ancient weapons hadnt been reborn yet as well as joy boy himself, therefore there was nothing they could do with binks sake so they left it

[clear apex]

True

[amber oar]

is it the sake one? Written version https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/rvy7bm/you_already_know_what_the_one_piece_is_the_true/?sort=top

[clear apex]

Yeah

Very tight theory, way tighter than other theories I heard about the one piece

[amber oar]

I must have been very conditioned with crap theories that I'm actually liking one from Artur

but I wonder if alcohol being the treasure wouldn't be deemed controversial

[modest skiff]

I think the closest I can come to thinking the theory is decent is if sake is a metaphor for something else, which has some effect you could compare to sake. But the ole "its a silly thing and its obvious XD" thing isn't good IMO

[abstract pond]

If the One Piece is sake only Zoro would be happy

[weak arrow]

Wow, finally a good theory from Ohara.

I have always been apart of the “the worldwide party” faction as Luffy/Roger’s dream, and sharing sake cups around the world is a good idea.

[ancient vault]

Thats basically "I wanna have a big family" or "I wanna be friends with the entire world"

[primal cargo]

I wanna party with everyone in the world !!

Fits every reaction we've seen. Some find it childish because it's just a party, some find it inspiring and wonderful because it's "everyone in the whole world"

[dull pumice]

How does it fit with Roger's speech tho? "We are gonna reach final isnland,then we will be the biggest crew, then I'm going to party with the whole world" ?

[cyan berry]

which he didnt even end up doing

[graceful fulcrum]

man, just saw artur's theory. Shit's so gud.

[primal cargo]

Well. After finding the greatest treasure in the world, I think that would be a fitting moment to have the biggest party, yes
But reaching Laugh Tale is associated with "circumnavigating the planet" in a way that's still unclear. Maybe this "circumnavigating" has some meaning that ties to "uniting the world".
You can only have your worldwide party if the world is united.

[dull pumice]

But Roger didn't plan on reuniting the world or anything like that as far as we know, he just wanted to go to final island because nobody managed to do it.
But you're right, having the biggest party after succeeding does kinda make sense, although personally I don't think that's it

[slim mountain]

Wano Theory:

Arc is 5 acts. Wano Act 3 will end in tragedy. This will be a tragedy for both Luffy and Kaido. We will get a Kaido flashback in act 4, and by the end of the act Kaido and Luffy will work together to resolve things. Act 5 will have a lot of exposition and partying.

I have reasons for thinking this and can explain them but they are a bit more difficult to write out all at once.

[primal cargo]

I was gonna say I can't imagine them teaming up with Kaido because he's an evil man who's done such terrible things to so many people. Then I remembered Luffy teamed up with Crocodile.

[slim mountain]

I think Kaido isn't pure evil

[primal cargo]

Would love to hear your reasons. What does Big Mom become ?

[pure raven]

I honestly believe Luffy is going to be the pirate with the eye patch in the last ark that Oda mentioned

[stoic girder]

Goated response.

Luffy will be getting that sweet eyepatch

[pure raven]

also, I think the first chapters foreshadowed it too

when Luffy almost cut his eye to be a true pirate or something

[slim mountain]

For Kaido, from what we have seen he has a sense of honor and had big positive motivations in his past. He likely has gone through a lot that has made him who he is now, but because of such things he can still be redeemed. I don't think Kaido will be killed unless it is by the World Government somehow. I also think Kaido's backstory will have some tragedy involving Yamato's mother. Could be something like how Kaido had his will broken and now he breaks everyone elses wills. Obviously I can't predict exact story details.

I think the future of Big Mom is really difficult to predict. She could be related to the reason Kaido and Luffy team up. (Like against her). She could go on another rampage or she could be sent home with her crew. I could see her attempting to betray Kaido and also go after Robin which could unite the two against her somewhat. It's actually so difficult because of just how much we've already had from her. I don't expect Luffy to 1v1 her like he is doing with Kaido currently.

My problem with Luffy getting the eyepatch is Zoro

Also Sanji to a degree

[abstract pond]

After all the shit the people in Wano has gone through, Kaido redemption would suck hard

[pure raven]

^

[slim mountain]

A lot of that was Orochi though

[abstract pond]

Kaido is as guilty as Orochi for that

[slim mountain]

I don't see why

[primal cargo]

Kaido doesn't have too much honor though. He didn't keep his promise to Oden even though Oden had been metal af.

[pure raven]

But it is expected, I guess. Oda dont really kill characters, so an redemption, I guess

[stoic girder]

It's interesting that you mention this. It reminds me of when Odin offered up one of eyes to a Frost giant and became his sworn brother and obtained Wisdom from the Jordin(Might be remembering it incorrectly). I think Luffy might do the same thing in the future and possibly in Elbaf to show Shanks how far he's come as a true pirate. Wishful thinking though

[primal cargo]

Yeah it would be like Crocodile getting redemption in Alabasta

[slim mountain]

What did Kaido do in Wano directly though

[abstract pond]

Kaido is the only reason Orochi can do what he did

[slim mountain]

I also don't think Kaido needs to be forgiven by Wano citizens

[primal cargo]

Directly or indirectly he allowed the enslavement/starvation of the entire population of Wano and he is planning to kill everyone in the capital at this very moment

[prime pawn]

When Shank went to the 4 wise men and he has said he needs to talk about a certain person, who do you reckon it is?

[slim mountain]

When I say he will be redeemed I guess I just mean he will change his own mindset

[pure raven]

yeah, its interesting. I am wishfully hoping for it to happen as well. Would be such good development when Luffy meet shanks again.

[slim mountain]

I actually had a pretty strong feeling about this a while back. What if it was Doflamingo

[prime pawn]

Doflamingo should be dead, I think it could be Rock D seven who is actually not dead

[slim mountain]

The reason I say Doffy is because Shanks could have underworld ties

[pure raven]

Doflamingo is still alive , locked up. I see no reason why shanks would want to talk to someone who is no longer a threat.

[primal cargo]

In my opinion Kaido can only turn after he's been defeated by Luffy.
But at the same time he will be K.O. after that defeat so it can't happen too soon, and the marines will be here shortly to capture him. Since we know Kaido defeat => WG gets involved

[prime pawn]

If it was Doflamingo he should not be this dangerous, the world government would have known by themselves

[abstract pond]

Shanks was probably talking about Blackbeard

[prime pawn]

Yeah it could be Blackbeard

[slim mountain]

Shanks didn't say anything about why he wanted to discuss them

[prime pawn]

I am thinking at the end of One Piece we will realise than Shanks is like CP0 a spy for the government and he knows something really important

[slim mountain]

I don't see the arc playing out in such a simple way though.

What I mean is there is probably some twist and I am trying to predict that twist with my theory

[prime pawn]

who do you people think IM is?

[primal cargo]

Well I'm a supporter of Big Mom taking Kaido's soul after Luffy's victory. Which would mean Act 4 with both a stronger Big Mom and the Navy trying to take over Wano

[pure raven]

I think Shanks is related to the celestial dragons, which is why the WG dont really touch him.

[slim mountain]

That would work for me as well.

[dull pumice]

What makes you think Kaido will switch from role of villain to an ally? War against him is culmination of several hundred chapters of buildup and a few arcs.
Is there anything pointing towards it? Because I really think there isn't

[prime pawn]

Big Mon might not take Kaido's soul coz Kaido is unlikely to be scared of Big Mon, so her power might not work

[abstract pond]

People have too little faith in Law and Kidd team up xd

[slim mountain]

The fact that he has so much interest in Joy Boy I guess

[prime pawn]

I think Shank is really likely to be from the will of D, in which case he is against the world government and celestial dragons

[pure raven]

its too early to say, it seems like we will figure out about IM when we learn the void century stuff. I do not think they are human.

[dull pumice]

I think that's interesting as well but point of that is to make him an interesting villain and not just big bad dude with a mace

[primal cargo]

My thinking is that Kaido feels fear for his life/fear of a coward's death. That's the heart of his character in a way. I believe fear for one's life in general is the trigger for Soul Pocus to work. Definitely not sure though

[prime pawn]

Never expected One piece to have someone as a "IM" it slowly become like Dragon Ball super gods LOL

[pure raven]

I disagree. I think all that Soul Pocus needs to work is for that person to be scared of Big Mama. Not just any fear.

[abstract pond]

We always knew there was a World Government. We just never saw before their leader.

[primal cargo]

Chapter 863 is ambiguous about this

[pure raven]

Oooh, I see. That's interesting.

Even for an instant? well, dang

[stoic girder]

This reminds me of when people genuinely believed Law would become a strawhat just because him and Luffy's were having a great time(mainly luffy). Kaido isn't about to do a switcharoo and become a good boy, he's trying to kill Luffy and take all his resources. This is still death match and who ever loses will lose the opportunity to become the pirate king. Kaido isn't becoming an ally and isn't about to give up on his dream of a world of violence. Luffy isn't going to talk no jutsu Kaido into helping to save wano from the marines and sacrifice himself for everybody.(Cough cough pain 2.0 cough cough )

[prime pawn]

Wasn't Shen Goku or currently Akainu enough to be a leader of the world government. Having someone like IM is a little bit exaggerating (someone who is not even human and untouchable like agod)

[slim mountain]

I don't think it's like that lol

[stoic girder]

I got a bit too ranty after seeing similar things to that. Oof

[pure raven]

I think Luffy will refuse the title of Joy Boy. I think that is going to be in relation to Yamato learning that she is her own person and not Oden as well.

[mighty sinew]

Did anyone already watched Ohara's video?

[abstract pond]

Akainu is the leader of the Marines (military) which is not the same as the actual government.
And Im not being human is something nobody knows and has 0 proof.

[pure raven]

we dont have proof that IM is human or not. It is just all guess. Hmm

[abstract pond]

Im could even be a weakling. We don't know anything about it.

[pure raven]

I feel like IM would start a civil war within the world government since nobody knows about him and sitting on the throne is a huge no no.

[slim mountain]

I can't write it out in a way that will make it sound good

[pure raven]

I dont see all Adminrals really siding with IM.

[stoic girder]

Fujitora's character is definitely not allighning with IM

[pure raven]

also, Akainu was never leader of the whole WG. The leaders we have known before were the Elder Stars.

[prime pawn]

IM itself is part of the World government/marine. I think he is the leader of everything. He is above everyone, then celestial dragones then marines who have hidden the reality of the 100 dark years

[pure raven]

yes, but nobody knows about them besides the Elder Stars . His whole existences is kept from everyone as far as he knows and IM seems to declare himself the king of the whole world, which goes against the WG.

[primal cargo]

Why didn't Roger just put Shanks in charge of using the One Piece and bringing the dawn when the time comes ?
Why this massive plan of starting an age of piracy, bringing out the new generation and all ? Shanks was right there ! He even had the straw hat already !
What condition does Shanks not fulfill that Luffy does ?

[pure raven]

good question

[slim mountain]

Voice of all things related potentially

[pure raven]

hopefully that wil be explained. Its either was something about that time period...or maybe shanks himself dont want to for some reason we dont know.

[slim mountain]

I don't believe Roger had a plan, Roger just spoke his truth. I don't think Roger is some man against the world government lol

He's not Dragon

[pure raven]

I dont think Shanks will ever be a villain but it seems like he has some powerful connections to the WG to speak to the Elder stars themesleves

[abstract pond]

Shanks said that if he wanted to see the One Piece he would go himself. If Roger imposed the will on Shanks would it really be Shank's will?

[pure raven]

And Yui is right. Roger was never fighting the WG. He was just a pirate having fun, exploring the world

[slim mountain]

Which is why I am a bit confused as to what the One Piece is, because if it is this "thing" that will be used to change the world or something I don't see why Luffy would want to do that.

[pure raven]

I have a feeling Luffy's dream is something we dont really know yet.

[primal cargo]

Well the Oden flashback makes it clear that Roger would have liked to "use" whatever is there to be used. "We came too early" etc.
Plus Rayleigh is the one who came up with the 2 years timeskip, which magically fits what he knew was the right time.

[pure raven]

Sure cant wait to finally figure out what the one piece is and what Roger meant.

[abstract pond]

And Joy Boy is Caesar because he brought smiles to people with his devil fruits

[slim mountain]

Roger isn't the same as Luffy though

[prime pawn]

Does everyone agree that Black beard will kill Shanks as well and he will be the final enemy?

[pure raven]

I am starting to believe Luffy do have a different dream than what we all think (besides adverturing.)

[slim mountain]

I don't agree

[pure raven]

no. I dont think that will happen at all. way too predictable

[primal cargo]

I'd bet on this happening rather than not tbh

[prime pawn]

why not? This is pretty obvious. Black beard captured ACe and now he will kill Shanks, so Luffy will be really angry and motivated to kill Black Beard who will be the strongest pirate by then?

[slim mountain]

Blackbeard did not kill Ace

[pure raven]

lmao, blackbeard killed Ace?

[prime pawn]

I meant captured

[slim mountain]

Luffy will not kill Blackbeard

[pure raven]

I mean, I know why people think this will happen but eh, I doubt. Do luffy really needs an other reason to want to fight black beard? it seems pointless

[primal cargo]

Shanks is a little too good to stay alive till the end. Also I think there's some Norse symbolism that ties Shanks with a Norse God that sacrificed himself or something. Need to check

[prime pawn]

Luffy is unlikely to forget is coz of BlackBeard Ace got caught

[slim mountain]

I think it could happen, however I just don't see it as necessary

[prime pawn]

The movie Red is coming out anyway is non-canon but the author Oda is really smart, so even in the movie we might not see the real power of Shanks Lol

[late roost]

wait its not canon? It was hyped up like it was

Like oda is rushing to end wano for it and stuff

[primal cargo]

No movies are canon. Recent movies have been revealing info that would later become canon though

[prime pawn]

How can a movie called Red be canon tho. Luffy is the main character and Shanks has an important role in the anime. Many fans would get angry if the movie become officially canon. They want to follow the story clearly in the anime

[slim mountain]

It's most likely a non-canon film but it will probably contain information that is the same as in the manga such as how characters fight and other info that we haven't seen yet. It could even have canon backstory elements etc.
Unless I missed something, it hasn't been confirmed yet.

[primal cargo]

That's not necessarily true. The movie could take place in between Acts of Wano or something. Or just in a parallel universe where Jinbei has already joined up with the crew before Wano.

[modest skiff]

Movie canon/non-canon isn't really theory discussion at this point, so please save this conversation for the other manga channels

[dull pumice]

We don't know but we do know hee lacks something

[prime pawn]

This wano is lasting too long tho, tired of this Wano thing

[slim mountain]

An arm xD

[sharp mountain]

Wano is near 130 chapters now

I wonder how long is left

[primal cargo]

I'm down for another 50

[modest skiff]

@sharp mountain @prime pawn @primal cargo please move this conversation to the manga channels

[sharp mountain]

oh, sorry!

[primal cargo]

Right, sorry. Still new to this

[modest skiff]

No worries, we just try to keep idle chit chat in the #manga and #also-manga channels and reserve this channel for more "in depth" discussion

[slim mountain]

I've been thinking that Blackbeard is just a D that knows the true history (or some of it) and doing what he does because of it. Like, what he wants is probably to fight back against the WG after whatever they did, or at least part of it.

For example, *if the WG comes from space and took over the world from the D, Blackbeard will take the world back. Could be similar with Rocks

[primal cargo]

I've been thinking that whatever the will of D truly is, our best clue is probably Haguar D. Saul. His appearance was so brief, and yet something in there required him to be a D.

Possibly the extreme luck by which he landed on Ohara ?

[slim mountain]

Whenever I think about D, giants like Saul, etc I always think about how we have "ancient giants" as their own thing that are separate from giants for some reason?

[ruby skiff]

Who do you think will be four yonkos at the end of the series? personally i think itll be luffy law kid katakuri

[slim mountain]

Luffy will be Pirate King and the others will be his friends/enemies. I don't think such title of Yonko will be a thing

[prime pawn]

At the end there is probably no more necessities for the yonkos to exist. Everything will change

[late roost]

Nah oda is too realistic to create a fairy tail happy ending

[primal cargo]

Though if we had to name the greatest pirates in the world by the end of the story, I'd put Yamato up there. I mean I'd love to see her join the Strawhats but I feel like this makes more sense. She wants to go out to sea, but she has to do it as her own self. And she's definitely powerful enough to reach the very top.

[abstract pond]

Didn't Yamato herself said she is gonna sail with Luffy?

[ruby skiff]

she did say that yeah

i think it was during her fight with kaido

[modest skiff]

(also tagging @amber oar because we generally agree on Artur )

I think the entire basis of his theory is essentially the prevalence of sake. But Luffy's adventure has also involved a lot of forming new friendships and bringing people together, which sharing sake is already represented by in other circumstances.

I definitely believe the song Bink's Sake is related to the void century and/or the one piece, but I think, much like the entire song, it is a bunch of metaphors and stuff. It is possible sake is the only non-metaphor part of it, but it doesn't sound likely to me. We know the WG/Gorosei want the One Piece to be kept as secret as possible, so it is possible they don't know what it is, but it feels more likely to me that the One Piece merely serves to bring the world together in a united way directly or help someone achieve that. It simply being sake doesn't really make sense. I absolutely think there will be a giant party at the end of the series and I do think Luffy wants everyone to be friends, but I am not convinced that this shared dream indicates the one piece needs to be the thing that they always use for partying.

I think it is more likely that the One Piece is something that helps bring the world together. Since it sounds like Poseiden plays some sort of role in it, perhaps it is something that can only achieve its purpose with the dedicated help of seakings.

Another thing that I think this theory struggles with is the importance/purpose of Noah. Fishmen can just swim away. They don't need a boat to save them from the red line being destroyed. If you just told them ahead of time, they can just leave. There isn't a situation where fishmen need to escape water through a boat.

I think the only major purpose Noah could have would be to save the world from a giant flood. One of my theories is that either something in Marie Jois or the One Piece itself is able to increase/decrease the water level of the planet. In such a case, it might be necessary to have a boat to save everyone except the fishmen. I think Fishmen built Noah to save everyone else, not themselves. A boat for the people who can survive under water as a savior of sorts just seems extremely illogical.

Noah is mind blowingly big. It is either intended for a crew of giants (unlikely because the windows and number of levels implies it is meant for typical humanoid sizes) or it is meant to basically save the whole world. I am more inclined to go with the latter.

Overall, I think this theory by Artur is really bad because its just a list of times when sake was consumed lol

[stoic girder]

👏 Had an amazing time reading this. Couldn't have said it better myself

Honestly I think the One Piece is something that can either unite the world or destroy it. That way it gives motivation for Luffy and Blackbeard to fight over it and gives whitebeard's words meaning.

The moment that treasure is found, it will turn the world upside down.

[primal cargo]

(Just to clarify, the theory is from Artur and not Ohara. The man deserves every bit of credit for the incredible videos he's made)

[modest skiff]

Oops thanks for the correction

[stoic girder]

I just don't see Sake being the main focus of the treasure

[modest skiff]

Maybe Adam was referring to another theory but I could have sworn it was the sake thing

[amber oar]

wait a sec, this theory is from Artur, not from denies lobby's Ohara. Different people

I clarify this because generally when people mention Ohara I assume it's denies lobby's Ohara, and Artur from the "Library of Ohara" is simply Artur

[modest skiff]

if adam was referring to something else, my bad lol

Regardless of who made the theory, I think it isn't very good

[modest skiff]

yeah its hard to imagine a bottle of sake turning the world upside down

[weak arrow]

I was referring to the scene where Roger tells whitebeard and Oden, and how Luffy tells Yamato ace and sabo laughed at him and then Yamato cries

[stoic girder]

The only thing i'm hoping that the one piece won't be is a deus ex machina to save the heroes out of trouble. That's my biggest worry with it if i'm being honest.

[primal cargo]

Yes sake is obviously not the whole story, but it's definitely possible for it to be a part of the treasure. Maybe you would get "everything you need to have a party with the whole world" including ungodly amounts of sake as well as some ancient weapons related thing. Bit of a stretch but it has to be something Luffy can enjoy.

[stoic girder]

I haven't watched the video yet, but if sake is the treasure. Is it like 1 bottle of sake?

Cause it's immediately gone if it's in zoro's vicinity

[muted ore]

which video

[primal cargo]

The video is unclear on that. He says "it's sake".
He says lots of other things as well that I also found really cool

[stoic girder]

The Artur one

[muted ore]

its an hour long video dang

[modest skiff]

you don't need to watch the video, the post in text form is here https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/rvy7bm/you_already_know_what_the_one_piece_is_the_true/?sort=top @muted ore

[muted ore]

oh thanks

[stoic girder]

Sorry if this is just flying over my head, but i'm assuming there are like billions of people in the one piece world. If the sake is supposed to be this grand treasure to unite everyone, then I can't just imagine the One Piece being millions of Sake for everyone in the world to drink(Also joyboy being an alcholic worse than kaido is questionable). It's just really weird to imagine this treasure being a bunch of Sake especially with no food just Sake. A giant freezer for food would be nice though

[muted ore]

Maybe its a special sake that never runs out or something

[stoic girder]

I can't stop laughing at the fact that Joyboy might be an alcholic worse than Kaido. So you're telling me he travelled to the final island just to leave sake there. Even if it's sake that doesn't run out, why in god's name would that turn the world upside down. It's great for a party, but what's special about it. It tastes good, but what's special about it. Is it like addictive and make people crave it more?

[modest skiff]

I think if Sake is a part of it, it is for all the leaders of the world, similar to the grand fleet etc

[stoic girder]

So bassically the strawhats will hand out the sake to the leaders of the world so they can make up and unite the world? Seems anti climatic if the one piece is just for a finale like that. I mean I understand where you're coming from with giving them the best sake in the world, but I don't know.

[muted ore]

Yeah that doesn't make sense

theres gotta be more to it then that

[pure raven]

this would be such an troll. One Piece being just a sake, lmao

[stoic girder]

I mean it's great for Zoro. Zoro definitely would not have a problem with it, but Nami would just look at it with questionable eyes like wtf?

Brook definitely would laugh at that though. The man has a messed up humour

I want the One Piece to be a treasure that all of the strawhats can feel proud helping Luffy reach it. I mean at the end of the day the journey is more important than the treasure. It's just really going to be sad if they risked their lives for a bottle of sake. Better be damn good sake though

[pure raven]

I am sure the one piece is much more interesting than just Sake.

[stoic girder]

I hope so

[modest skiff]

yeah i don't think that would be the "whole thing", but I think if sake plays some role, that's all it is

[stoic girder]

It would be cool if the One Piece was a theater performance and the strawhats are seeing it told in real time. bassically like an Oral story passed down through generations and it includes all the secrets of the world. Just anything better than just Sake

[pure raven]

I kind of imagine the one piece would be like a tons of treasure left by the people of the Void Century and it will really open the eyes of thsoe who find it, realizing how different the world is and why it needs to change

[stoic girder]

That would be interesting for an archelogist. I imagine it would be hard to decipher what all this objects mean without the proper history to understnad it.

[pure raven]

Yeah. I feel like the one piece will be what was left of the void century people. Like when Roger find the one piece, it seems like it is nothing compared to what the void century really was. when roger said he wish he lived in those times. Whatever Luffy does after the one piece and after figuring out the void century, he will open the world up a lot more without all the flaws holding it back, so that the future generation can have an even better adventure.

[stoic girder]

Honestly I love this and agree with it. The One Piece should be something that gives future generation hope for the future.

[pure raven]

Yeah. I love that idea a lot.

[modest skiff]

The thing that made me think it would "turn the world upside down" and would also make Roger laugh is the idea that their world is just one of many and that the technology/power on their world is very small compared to the outside world. (This sounds similar to another series, so please keep in mind don't make other series references when responding to this)

Roger's pirate crew were kings of their time and they were the only ones strong enough to reach Laugh Tale. If it turned out the world was much larger, many other planets, with people much stronger and technology much more advanced, it would be a hilariously humbling experience for Roger. The CDs would no longer be viewed as gods but rather as prison wardens preventing people from being a part of the outside world. We already know there are people from other world's based on the Enel cover story. Maybe Bink is from another planet and he sent sake to the One Piece planet as an invitation to join the other planets.

[stoic girder]

You know One piece is something else when I can read a theory like that with a straight face and consider it a possibility. I mean I honestly cannot dismiss that and can see that as a possibility. Though I am afraid that making space too big of a deal in one piece would make the series go on forever and not a proper conclusion in sight unless we're going for an open ending.

[pure raven]

I feel like that would be an open ending but yeah, I love that idea, too

I doubt we will get an ark in space. but who knows.

[stoic girder]

I wouldn't mind a small sidetrip to space, but I would like it to be relevant to the entire plot

[pure raven]

same

[stoic girder]

Plus space sounds like the perfect way for Nami to just complete her geography map if i'm being honest

[pure raven]

at this point, it hard to have a sky trip...but one way I do see a space ark working, tbh

If maybe one piece could somehow take them there? I mean, If Luffy got some kind of cool space craft from the one piece (or is the onepiece) I am sure he would want to have some fun with that as pirate king. But honestly, not much of a chance cause after one piece is supposdly find, is the final war, so very unlikely

[stoic girder]

Just make Lodestar island a warp portal to a moon planet and we've got a space arc. Either that or we could use the balloons to travel there seeing as people have actually made it to the moon by doing that.

Could be a knock up stream situation where there's a random event in the one piece world that can send them to space tbh

[pure raven]

who knows. anything could happen with one piece, lmao.

[stoic girder]

That's the fun of it

[modest skiff]

One of my pluton theories is that it can be used to eject islands into the sky and the technology is based on the knock up stream. If it can blast an island into the sky, maybe it could also be used to shoot a ship into space

[pure raven]

Its really hard to predict if space will play a role. (and that is the fun of it.)

Also, Mohdoo, that is an really interesting theory. Would explain the sky islands too, probably.

[modest skiff]

It could be that you need poseiden + pluton + one piece in order to travel through space

[stoic girder]

I feel like it'd be more interesting if Uranus could do that. Bassically it could be a weapon that's an island mover and can make islands dissapear. God Valley's dissapearance could be explained

[pure raven]

and explain why laughtale is so hard to get to, maybe

I honestly forgot all about Uranus.

[stoic girder]

We all did. Uranus has to do with the sky so sending islands up to the sky or even space seems cool or it could be something that can reconstruct environments. I honestly don't know, but it's an ancient weapon. So I imagine it has a cool ability

[primal cargo]

I like to think that Uranus is something that can alter or disturb the weather in some way. Fits what we see in chapter 0 - Strong World, and would connect it nicely to the Grand Line like Poseidon to the Calm Belt and Pluton to the Red Line.

[stoic girder]

I'm all for Uranus making the weather of the grand line more terrifying. Lets Nami gets more focus

[modest skiff]

If any of you care to read my janky uranus theory, I'll link it here: #manga-theories message

[primal cargo]

I like it a lot !

[stoic girder]

I like the uranus part except Zunesha. I think Zunesha was just tamed with the previous holder of tama's fruit and was given an order to listen to any kozuki members that could hear it.

[primal cargo]

We've got a machine and a person, so an animal would be great

[stoic girder]

Yeah an animal would be dope especially a pheonix. Goodbye Marco and Welcome uranus

Either that or some type of mythical beast unique to the one piece world and not based in real life

[pure raven]

really interesting theory. I liek it a lot too

[primal cargo]

My super theory regarding the ancient weapons is that they were used in the past to create the 3 "great anomalies" of the One Piece world : Poseidon the Calm Belt by commanding the Sea Kings to live there, Uranus the Grand Line by messing up the weather, and Pluton the Red Line by moving or deconstructing the ground from islands to put it all there.

[abstract pond]

I saw a theory some time ago about Uranus being a mythical bird (inspired from Mayan culture iirc) born from the egg on Roger's ship. And that that bird can control weather and now is with Dragon.

[jaunty sequoia]

Kid is a D, 3D2Y = 3'D's vs 2Yonkos

[pure raven]

I agree. I feel like the same way. They all seems to be connected

[robust sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/im-lost-formula-confused-calculate-gif-9919713

[jaunty sequoia]

lmaoooo

do u get it tho

[robust sierra]

yeah

[modest skiff]

@molten marsh please do not post things in spoiler tags without labeling them. Anything from 1037 is strictly forbidden outside the spoiler channel. Anything that isn't from 1037 does not need a spoiler tag. I deleted your messages because it was unclear what was in them.

[bronze palm]

Some people theorized that too but I think it was a coincidence and not a word pun intended by Oda

[boreal gate]

My theory is that Luffy will defeat Kaido, but Kaido won't die at hands of Luffy per se.

Kaido will fall to the bottom of the sea where all the dynamite and weapons fell too.

Then Kazenbo will reach it and explode. Kaido decides that's where he wants to die.

Dr. VegaPunk is going to send his subordinates to rescue sample materials from Kaido, Queen and King to develop hybrids in his laboratory that will be useful in the incoming world war

Also that the world government is going to try to enter Wano. But the Straw Hat grand fleet will stop them from doing so.

[pallid ibex]

I just feel like killing king off so quick when he’s like the only lunarian is wasted. He’s such a cool character 😔

[sharp mountain]

Since he is the only one atm, I'm sure he will be coming back into the story, even if only for flashbacks.

[boreal gate]

What if Dragon is an actual lunarian but he tore his tattoo

[slate mirage]

But there might be more lunarians alive, so king may not be so important

[boreal gate]

Maybe Enel went to the moon for the lunarians, lol

[pallid ibex]

True true

[pallid ibex]

Also true

[boreal gate]

Queen/Kaido/King

[pallid ibex]

That’s interesting I never thought of that. That would be interesting. But wouldn’t that make luffy a lunarian

[boreal gate]

Partially?

[pallid ibex]

Yeah half lunarian

But I don’t know how that would work. You think dragon cut off his wings

[boreal gate]

Sun God Nika is a lunarian, prob

[pallid ibex]

I mean the fact his name is dragon lowkey sounds lunarian 😂

[boreal gate]

Maybe Ivankov did something about the wings

[pallid ibex]

Oh that guy w the cutting df cut them off. I forgot his name

[snow grove]

King needs to get his body modified

[sharp mountain]

That might happen if the marines come across him.

[pallid ibex]

Was king said to be the last lunarian or one of the last? I don’t remember

[boreal gate]

Here's an interesting meaning of "Lunarians"

(celestial navigation) A maritime navigator who uses the moon to determine longitude without the need for an accurate clock

[viscid anvil]

I think it was Last @pallid ibex

[pallid ibex]

So that makes it more important for him to be in the story more

[amber oar]

Dragon has like zero of the traits that identify Lunarians.

"Lunarian, except he doesn't have wings. Aaaaand his skin isn't dark. Aaaaaand his hair is black. Aaaaaaand doesn't seem to make fire. Aaaaand he's Garp's biological son, as explicitly stated by the vivre cards"

[pallid ibex]

True. He doesn’t really match the traits

[snow grove]

We'll get a chapter this week?

[pallid ibex]

I really feel like dragon was an admiral before. He probably learned a lot of information from being that high ranked of an officer. So when he left the navy they understand what information he had so they made him out to have the highest bounty.

[amber oar]

only vague statements tbh. All things considered there may be a few scattered in the world and/or refugeed in a secret place

[snow grove]

What about sanjis fire?

[pallid ibex]

I really like that one story about the animals that followed the king in relation to dragon leaving

[jaunty sequoia]

his wings are under the cloak he wears 24/7

[snow grove]

King can switch to his dinosaur df wings instead of his current wings

[boreal gate]

A hypernym of Lunarians is "Solarian"

[amber oar]

if Dragon was a high ranked Marine he would have been pretty easily recognizable afterwards.

And considering Garp has refused the position for years due to not wanting to be under the CDs thumb (likely related to being a D), I doubt Dragon would have accepted an admiral position even if he was a Marine

[viscid anvil]

Well, maybe he created the Revolutionary Army after becoming an admiral and finding out how large-scale the corruption and cruelty of the World Government is and started the army with other marines with same opinions

[boreal gate]

Makes sense

[pallid ibex]

What I’m thinking is that we see how hard Garp was on luffy to become a marine. I feel like he would be hard on Dragon as well

[boreal gate]

Also I think that the straw hat grand fleet is gonna increase in numbers around 14.000 - 15.000 but a % of their members are getting miscarried and inflicting terror and using Luffy's name to steal, etc.

Luffy will do something about it and a % of those miscarried members will eventually leave the grand fleet and will join Blackbeard

[viscid anvil]

That would low key be sad

Rn it is people who he fought with

[amber oar]

How come he found out the CDs are shit decades after his own dad started refusing the admiral position because the CDs are shit

[amber oar]

Garp would have been hard on Dragon to pick the same position Garp himself never wanted?

[viscid anvil]

I kind of think that at some point they had a fight and they started disagreeing with each other

But this seems unlikely

[boreal gate]

Maybe Garp stayed with the marines to keep them on check, it's a conspiracy

Garp is actually a marine revolutionary

[pallid ibex]

No to be a marine in general. Dragon could have been adamant on becoming an admiral. Garp doesn’t necessarily make life decisions for his son or grandson. They’re very free willed people. If he wanted Dragon to be in the navy that would make sense. Whatever Dragon does from that point on is his own life.

[viscid anvil]

How long ago was the god valley incident?

[amber oar]

For Dragon to accept an admiral position, he would have to be a stricter marine than Garp himself. Which looks a pretty absurd notion.

@boreal gate Garp is a terrible conspirator then, pissing off Sengoku, openly laughing at his own pirate grandson's feats and refusing an admiral position.

Nah, the most reasonable explanation is that Garp stays in the marines because he perceives he can help the people much better from that standing

[pallid ibex]

If he was then why would he let ace die. I think he genuinely cares about the navy. Bc although there’s a lot of corruption and secrets, there’s still a lot of young members who are good and just.

[viscid anvil]

Yeh that feels like Garp

[pallid ibex]

What do y’all think happened to sabo?

You think Oda would do an execution pt2 w sabo?

[viscid anvil]

No

[boreal gate]

Yes Garp believes in the marines, but not the bad ones per se

[viscid anvil]

there is actually already a theory on this topic in this chat

[pallid ibex]

Dragons reaction lowkey scared me

[boreal gate]

What if Luffy will be executed and everyone shows up, thus, starting the world war

[pallid ibex]

I’m sure many theories are repeated in this channel just like the conversations are constantly repeated in the manga and other manga channels

[viscid anvil]

#manga-theories message

[pallid ibex]

Oh shit lemme read that. Thank you

[viscid anvil]

Yeh, this one was pinned so I read it

[boreal gate]

I hope I don't die, I wanna see how this shit ends

[viscid anvil]

lol

[pallid ibex]

Lmao stop don’t say that 😂😂 but I feel it

[boreal gate]

Actually the title of the series is One Peace

it was a production typo, lmfao

[slate mirage]

My take on dragon having been an admiral is that it's wrong. I like the dynamic on the family fighting from three separate sides to reach a similar goal. Him being an ex-marine/ex-admiral would ruin it. He was also way too young to have been an admiral (he created the revolutionary army at around 30 years old).

[fluid gale]

https://i.gyazo.com/a25cd7bc954f23096acdb0b38c29dc61.png
is this some next level foreshadowing for blackbeard being defeated by the five original straw hats?

[boreal gate]

Nah

[pallid ibex]

That’s a cool catch but I think it’s just to outline how OP the fruit is

[pallid ibex]

Yeah it might but how else would he have his ideology of fighting back against the WG? Maybe he was in a deeper organization or something I don’t know but it doesn’t make sense for him to just be the revolutionary leader without having reason or knowledge of something. How else would he get that knowledge if not the WG or navy? He most likely didn’t learn it from pirates considering he has no connections that we know of to any pirates. It would kind of make sense if he was an admiral or vice admiral af the least.

[slate mirage]

I agree ,he has knowledge and a history behind him,but i don't see why it must be necessarily connected with the marines. But let's say for the sake of the argument that he was and ex-vice admiral,but i can't agree on him being an admiral because of his young age.

[pallid ibex]

Maybe not even admiral at all. Maybe even some celestial dragon royal guard or cp0 type thing. It really good be anything but I feel like w some connection to the WG

Have you heard that story of the animals who worked for the king? @slate mirage

[slate mirage]

True,it would be more interesting this way.

[slate mirage]

No

[pallid ibex]

This one

[sinful wedge]

So Dragon was an admiral in his 20s

[pallid ibex]

It’s young but he coulda been a prodigy

He didn’t have the markings on his face when he was at Rogers execution either so it wouldn’t make sense for him to be half lunarian. I wonder when got those red marks and if they are a sort of branding

[weak arrow]

sounds more like smoker than dragon lol

especially because his epithet is already white chaser

[pallid ibex]

That’s a good point I didn’t think of that. I just didn’t think smoker was that level yet to be compared w the others

[weak arrow]

and smoker is also realising all the faults of the government

[pallid ibex]

True I see that also

There’s a big chunk that we just don’t know which makes it so hard to figure out who dragon is

[slate mirage]

I like the concept,but still can't see him as an ex-admiral. Also,Akainu is from North blue,not west.

[quiet nimbus]

Did anyone read that one piece theory on Reddit

[wicked grove]

There’s tons, you gotta be more specific

[quiet nimbus]

The one with the one piece being the sake

[ivory finch]

I fell like Robin and Luffy and half siblings, i have some evidence for it like how robin looks nothing like her mother but shares some qualities with dragon also, she’s the only person that could understand how Luffy thinks, for example, when luffy could remember marco and robin told him he’s the pineapple headed guy

it’s not extremely strong evidence but it’s a cool theory to think about

[modest skiff]

Scroll up, we discussed it above

I wrote a long list of reasons I think the theory feels unlikely

[errant nova]

Wish it wasn’t so but artur’s ultimate theory and whole series was pretty weak

[muted shale]

Really? I quite enjoyed the full thing

[pure raven]

Isnt robin a literal copy pasta of her mother looks wise

[pastel summit]

yes. robin is just her mother but with black hair.

[ivory finch]

yeah besides the hair

[serene barn]

ya

[quiet nimbus]

Tx I will

[ancient vault]

Then why did u say she looks nothing like her mother

[pallid ibex]

Literally same VA and everything too😂

[ivory finch]

i wasn’t thinking right and what i meant was that she had some qualities of both dragon and her and is missing a big quailty from her mother

[true lily]

What you all think about Tigers in one piece? Since Oda has been putting so much stuff with a tiger in it and this year is also the year of tiger? What do y all think?

[pallid ibex]

Could be a luffy gear 5 transformation or since fuji is purple tiger maybe he makes a big move 🤷‍♂️

[solar mountain]

Joyboy is alive(due to toki's fruit) and will meet luffy.
Roger was early to reach laughtale because only JOYBOY knows how to use the one piece or something like that.

[spring cloak]

pretty sure its foreshadowing luffys tiger man

[muted ember]

I have a theory that Joyboy is alive too, I been waiting to put it out but I might do it today

It doesn't involve Toki at all I'll say that

[ancient vault]

[ancient vault]

So youre saying luffy is not joyboy?

[spring cloak]

[muted ember]

I mean we know he's not the original Joyboy

It's more of a title in the current timeline, a legend/myth

[snow epoch]

joyboy is most likely dead and reincarnated into luffy

it wouldn't make sense if oda wrote characters to think someone Is the reincarnation of joyboy only for him to just be alive

also wouldn't make sense why imu sama has his hat if we was still alive

[snow epoch]

the one piece is a thing and not people

oda confirmed it wasnt some dumb ending like the friends we made along the way

I think the one piece is a key to destroy the red line connecting all all the seas, Rodger laughed at it cause the sheer idea of flipping the world upside down by destroying the red line was comical, everyone would be so shocked. also connects to the idea of the biggest party in the world how all seas could come to the party and celebrate

Rodger wasn't able to do it because the thing that will destroy the red line wasn't there or hadn't arrived

he was too early for that certain event that we don't know about to happen

[muted ember]

We don't know who's hat it is, first off. And no one has said Joyboy is a reincarnation, actually the contrary it seems like there are multiple candidates and that person just needs to meet a certain unknown criteria

For example, Whitebeard had been decided that Ace was Joyboy, but in Marineford he saw Luffy also had the potential

And even if we assume it is Joyboy's hat, Im having it doesn't necessarily mean he's dead. Luffy has left his straw hat behind before he wasn't dead

[solar mountain]

I also think that one piece will destroy the read line. It maybe a weapon that only JOYBOY knows how to use it

https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Joy_Boy
Check the trivia section of this

Its very unlikley for someone to live fore more than 100 years(unless they aren't giants) so JOYBOY mostly used toki's fruit to travel in the future and toki also lived in the same era

[solar mountain]

In one chapter oden mentioned to open the gates of wano for JOYBOY to arrive and he also knew that something big will happen after 20 years so if Luffy was the JOYBOY that oden was talking about then why did toki send the samurai 20 years in future she could send them maybe 19 years in the future

[pure raven]

dang

[simple parrot]

When’s the spoilers

[pure raven]

i can only say one thing most ppl talking about theories are just earger for one piece ending

[snow epoch]

I have a decent theory on kaido not being joyboy

Present kaido is a depressed alcoholic that wants to die cause he wasn't what his dream was to become joyboy, the person who broke the news to him was a certain shanks who got the information by the 5 elders

while shanks was fighting kaido to not go to marine Ford ^^

[pure raven]

hm

[snow epoch]

it makes a lot of sense and fits in perfectly with the whole kaido depression thing

that he lived is life thinking he was the reincarnation only for shanks to tell him that he wasn't the reincarnation of joyboy and someone else was

this panel is crucial to this argument as kaido is almost comparing the event of him losing his purpose to luffy

kaido genuinely believes whoever told him (shanks) that another joyboy is in the world

[solar mountain]

@snow epoch Nice theory

[snow epoch]

do you have any criticism

[solar mountain]

Nope

do you have any criticism on my theory?

[snow epoch]

it's plausible

I just don't think joyboy will be the one to destroy the red line

[solar mountain]

hmm

[muted ember]

It seems from the last chapter Kaido knew he wasn't Joyboy, or didn't care if he was or not, long before his confrontation w Shanks

[solar mountain]

destroying red line will result in a war against wg and maybe we will see Luffy vs Imu

[muted ember]

When he asked King about Joyboy, it reads as if he thinks it's funny that King thinks he's Joyboy

[snow epoch]

it's weird because kaido in this panel almost looks like he's comparing luffy to himself and the failure that was his dream of being joyboy

[snow epoch]

that's where it started

[muted ember]

When I read that I thought he was referring to Roger and Xebec

He doesn't have to be referring to himself tho

[snow epoch]

we could have a situation where luffy proves to kaido that he is joyboy and kaidos sheer emotions let luffy win

[bright citrus]

Kaido probably knows about somw part of one piece i mean the "thing" and that "thing" could cange the course of the world

[snow epoch]

but why?

[muted ember]

Why what?

[snow epoch]

why would he not be referring to himself?

[muted ember]

Bc he still has a chance to create the world he wants

[snow epoch]

comparing himself to luffy and his sheer failure at becoming what he thought he embodied

what he thought was luffys failed attempt at fighting kaido made him believe that

[muted ember]

He hasn't failed he's still going after the one piece. In reality his alliance w Big Mom puts him closer than he's ever been

[pallid ibex]

I don’t know if it was upset or rather him just being like “I guess your not him either”

But I can definitely see what your saying @snow epoch

[snow epoch]

it's really plausible if he was referring to luffy being joyboy

imu has a power to know that kaido wasn't joy boy

shanks had a meeting with the 5 elders to give him that information

shanks confronts kaido and beats him mentally and physically to the point where he resides in a wano country

[pallid ibex]

I don’t think it was a feeling of failure on Kaidos part tho. I don’t think necessarily wants to be joyboy, rather king made him believe he might be. I don’t think he strived to fit that role. I think he’ll end up seeing it in luffy after their fight. I’m expecting a backstory at the climax of their fight and his thoughts about it more.

[snow epoch]

I think kaido will ultimately see that his dreams are dead and that they will move on through luffy

it's a better ending than brute force at least

I crave something deeper from the longest arc and I think itll be a katakuri style ending

[muted ember]

Why would Imu tell Shanks (no confirmation Shanks met him)? Why would Kaido believe him? The only meeting we know of between Shanks and the gorosei happened after the Kaido confrontation

[pallid ibex]

I don’t think kaido gets salty tho. He kinda just takes things as they go. I don’t think shanks is even the type to manipulate or get into someone’s head like that. Shanks pulls up w the heat and no bullshit. Shanks isn’t like akainu in that regard.

[pallid ibex]

Also I think they discussed BB and not joyboy

[muted ember]

Kaido has been defeated multiple times a loss to Shanks wouldn't shake him

[pallid ibex]

If he would even lose at that

I agree tho I wanna see some more depth into kaidos character and his ideology. We obviously see him starting to enjoy the fight. This fight feels different than all of luffys other fights. Even tho the stakes are extremely high, luffy and kaido are lowkey enjoying themselves which is cool to see. I think there’s bound to be some mutual respect for each other by the end of the fight. It depends if kaido dies or not tho

[viscid anvil]

Hey guys

There is a new theory - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2xS0Bg9vBc

[fathom matrix]

Honestly, I wouldn't be shocked if throughout Kaido's life, he thought he could be Joyboy, and wanted to create a pirates paradise because of it.

In fact, what if Rocks and Roger had different ideologies of Joyboy

[tender anchor]

the first part i agree the second part is lowkey weird

kaido wont make any paradise for pirates because he himself wanted to get the one piece

[fathom matrix]

Didn't he say he wanted to make a pirate's paradise?

[pure raven]

Damn
Kai.D.O theory coming true

https://twitter.com/sandman_AP/status/1478704983755587584?t=bZ7V9opoucuKD6pCOF8SdA&s=19

sandman (@sandman_AP)

What does Kaido mean in Japanese? The kanji Kaido (快童/怪童) means "joy boy /strong kid". This is a popular theory spreading in JP fandom. Not that Kaido himself is Joy Boy, but maybe his parents gave him the name Kaido, hoping he'll become someone like Joy Boy.😋

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[supple ivy]

imu being the creator of df or something like that, imu backwards(umi) mean sea,
which is the weakness of the df's and im backwards (mi) means fruit and it also means SEED.
Doffy states that he knows the weapon of marejois so what if the secret is the source to all devil fruits
imu's name also means, to avoid and to refrain from.if we were to join up the different meanings of his name
you can spell quite a few stuff, idk what it could be as i thought of this theory not long ago.
Stuff such as, imu - avoid mi - fruit = a void fruit - which can relate to a fruit that can remove history
or it can make ocean void fruit. which can possibly sink islands ?
[19:55]
its incomplete
[19:55]
as there are so many holes
[19:55]
i have in it

[abstract pond]

Joyboy knowledge doesn't look like something exclusive from reaching One Piece

Gyojin island for example has a poneglyph with him

[pure raven]

Big mom will be arrested

[pure raven]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[pure raven]

He didn't say anything about the secret weapon of marijois being the origin of dfs

[hollow sorrel]

i kinda called it three months ago about kaido thinking he was joyboy

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/pm85bk/theory_about_kaido_and_joy_boy_manga_spoilers/

[pure raven]

Great observation

[hollow sorrel]

other stuff might be reaching though lol

[abstract pond]

When has Kaido though he was Joyboy?

[hollow sorrel]

well it hasn't been 100% confirmed yet that kaido thought he was joyboy but the latest chapter kind of confirms it with king believing that kaido is joyboy

[abstract pond]

Feels like the only one thinking that is king

[hollow sorrel]

yeah i guess, we should get confirmation on that pretty soon though

[ancient vault]

When he says hes the only one who can change the world

[abstract pond]

Saying that is not the same as saying being joyboy

[muted ember]

Right that would imply Roger thought he was Joyboy when he said he would turn the world upside down

[fathom matrix]

I would like to think there are different perspectives of Joyboy among pirates, BUT the main idea of Joyboy throughout history is "a man who wants to make a big change to the world"

some think Joyboy was a sun god who freed slaves, some think he was a liberator of countries, some may assume Joyboy was a pirate wanting freedom, or a pirate who wanted to make islands a paradise for all.

Like how there are many interpretations of king, gods and entities throughout history, Joyboy has a very maluable story to tell, but the idea of a big change was always there

[abstract pond]

Joyboy maybe is the pirate with eyepatch Oda wants to draw

[ancient vault]

I think theres a particular difference in wanting to change the world and in thinking youre the only one who can do so aka youre destined to do so

[muted ember]

Maybe

It doesn't seem like he was serious about being Joyboy when he was talking to king. Maybe changing the world and being Joyboy aren't the same thing to him

[ancient vault]

A lot of time passed between the two flashbacks

I think he realized that hes not the one destined to be joyboy at that time which is why he went to Wano and waited 20+ years for joyboy to appear

Like 10 years passed wait let me pull what i posted

[muted ember]

I don't think it's 10 years between those flashbacks

He was in Wano in the second flashback?

And if he decided he wasn't Joyboy then that means it's definitely not the same as changing the world bc he's still trying for that goal

[ancient vault]

here

And then in the new flashback he doesnt have a mustache so its shortly before he arrives in wano. Very likely 25 to 26 years ago which is like 8 years

that also goes in line with how much king grew

King in the first flashback would be 14 years old and in the second then 22 or 21 years old which makes sense looking at his body in the two flashbacks

[near panther]

I believe Joyboy was a man who’s supposed to free everyone from their oppressive masters and bring smiles to their faces just like what the slaves think about nika, Kaido used to be a slave/test subject so he might’ve heard about it? Anyway I think bringing smiles is the important part here, why would the failed devil fruits kaido has ceasar create make people smile?

Maybe it isn’t unintentional and he tries to force smiles over people to become joyboy? Idk but I haven’t seen a lot of people talk about smiles

[pure raven]

What chapter is the pic of him with moria from

[ancient vault]

Actually part of my luffy theory
Luffys dream is to bring everyone a smile or to laugh and u mentioned a few keypoints I wrote in my notes

[near panther]

Oh fr? I also believe Luffy has that dream, kinda, I believe he wants to free the world and bring joy

[ancient vault]

5. Difference between Fake Smiles and Genuine Smiles (Kaidos, Big Moms, Doffys land)

Theres more to it than just Kaido tho. I think the entire saga plays up to it which is why I believe luffys dream will be revealed in wano actually

[near panther]

I really hope so

I can imagine Luffy telling Kaido his dream and both start laughing or something

[ancient vault]

Wano with smiles, Tottoland with Big Moms souls watching over it, Doffy making the entire country forgot about their loved ones disappearing and therefore letting them forget a reason as to why they shouldnt be all happy etc.

[near panther]

Kaido is gonna end up believing in Luffy at the end of wano

[ancient vault]

Yeah I actually wrote that theory the chapter when chapter 1000 dropped but Im currently updating it. Just losing lots of motivation

[near panther]

Ah that’s awesome man

I like your style of thinking

[ancient vault]

Actually got a few theories pinned if you wanna read them ^^
Mine are the ones about Wapol, Rock D. Xebec and the "925 squad"

[near panther]

Just read about rocks

[neat zenith]

man yall make sum 🐐 ed theories

[near panther]

That was a really good one tbh, not sure about his df but King of the world definitely fits here

D.’s usually have great dreams and ambitions that I think are the source of their power, being the king of everything could’ve been the dream of Rocks and maybe blackbeard even

What is D stands for Dream/er? I wonder

if*

[lost orchid]

It could mean Demon

[near panther]

I mean it’s possible if they’re the gods enemy it could mean devil/demon

But it doesn’t sound too fitting

[vapid minnow]

Damn this person called Kaido being Joyboy 8 months ago!! Observation haki on point, surprised it wasn’t pinned

[weak arrow]

What do you mean?

Kaido isn’t joyboy and he’s responding to the page of him knocking Luffy into the ocean.

[sand sail]

Kaido also isn't depressed

[near panther]

He is

[vapid minnow]

Kaido might be Joyboy seems like that is what was implied in the King flashback

[weak arrow]

Not really

[near panther]

He never smiles the same way he used to in the flashback and why do you think he drinks so much?

[vapid minnow]

yeah exactly

[weak arrow]

Also the comment you replied to also says Kaido isn’t joyboy

[near panther]

That's not what BrotherE said tho, what he did say does make a lotta sense

[vapid minnow]

Kaido has to most likely be Joyboy especially with his name meaning it and likely Rocks was the person who gave him his pirate name for that purpose. It explains why he is fighting in Wano

[weak arrow]

Kaido himself says, “you couldn’t be joyboy either”

Kaido, at the very least, does not believe himself to be joyboy

And I’m going to assume he knows what joyboy means, so he’s an authorized authority on who would and wouldn’t be joyboy

[near panther]

I said earlier he might be trying to forcefully become joyboy by using Smiles but I think he knows he couldn't be Joyboy and that's why he's so depressed/ always trying to kill himself lol

[abstract pond]

" become joyboy by using Smiles "
That could apply to Caesar too.

And Orochi...

[radiant blade]

his favorite hobby is to attempt suicide

[sand sail]

Yes, because he finds it fun to try, he doesn't do it out of depression. He does it out of boredom.

[near panther]

Look at his smile and the flash back bro and compare it to the smile he has now, his smile basically flipped, he's almost always with a frown on his face

[ripe geyser]

Kaido almost never smiles happily and he’s also a raging alcoholic, I’m almost sure he’s being shown to be depressed. However I can agree that boredom is definitely a big reason behind some of his actions

[amber oar]

That scene mixed with the King flashbacks suggests me that he thought he could become Joyboy, but something happened in the way. Maybe he grew cynical about the world or whatever

[ancient vault]

brotherE?

hes back?

where did u get brotherE from?

[near panther]

this man

its old tho

[ancient vault]

nvm hes not back

[near panther]

yea sorry lol

btw swrml could you look at a theory i made? I wanna know what you think

[ancient vault]

post it

[near panther]

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/rv90w3/rogers_original_crew_from_east_blue/

[ancient vault]

If he says hes the only one who can change the world he def thought of himself as joyboy at some point

[ancient vault]

And after realizing he isnt joyboy he maybe took it upon himself to see whos worthy of the title joyboy or as you call it saw himself as "an authorized authority on who would and wouldn’t be joyboy"

[weak arrow]

yeah, i was just making the point that he doesnt think he's joyboy and would know he isnt, not that he's never thought he was in the past.

[ancient vault]

mb then

[weak arrow]

i think that's feasible, but not that "only i can change the world" confirms it

[muted ember]

Kaido literally smiled like the flashback in the latest chapter

He smiles a lot

[near panther]

Yes thanks to Luffy

[muted ember]

Idk what we're saying makes his smile different but he's been smiling

[near panther]

Maybe I'm just imagining things but the smile in the last chapter seemed like a real one unlike i've seen him do after the flashback

[ancient vault]

I dont think they have the same eyes at all. They look very generic. Nor do I think their powers are any similar as they can simply be seen as what they are. Gags mainly.

I never noticed the tattoo tho thats sth really interesting.

I dont see the Hiruluk - Usopp connection at all. That gun is a generic gun and doesnt look like a snipers at all imo. He was a doctor.

I think the fandom is to obsessed with trying to look for connections between Rogers and Luffys crew. Same with Rogers rivals. Roger is not Luffy and Luffy is not Roger.

Now I have a hard time believing they actually sailed with Roger for a long time, thats debatable tho, but Im very convinced that they met Roger in person and talked to him maybe had a short trip with him. Maybe they came across Roger in a fight.
The forms of Haki can simply be explained by the fact that he saw Roger fight. He doesnt really know that hes talking about haki most likely. Hes just describing Roger and/or other pirates he met.

[muted ember]

Kaido's smiles have all seemed genuine to me

[ancient vault]

The tattoo in question btw

[near panther]

I appreciate the feedback! I do still believe in what I wrote, hopefully we'll get to see more about Roger's journey as a young pirate, I'd love to know more about him

[ancient vault]

What chapter did u get that panel from btw?

[near panther]

Oh I can't remember but it's from the Hiruluk flashback

[fathom matrix]

Honestly, I could Luffy actually rejecting the whole Joyboy identity.

Like, I see Luffy as the kind of guy who wants to be on top but not rule or put down others.

Like if he's constantly called Joyboy, put to that status, and people like him because of that, I could legit see Luffy pissed off, cause people are upholding him to something they admire or reside as strong/noble, and they're not liking him for him.

[near panther]

Maybe he wouldn't mind after learning about Joyboy's tale

[fathom matrix]

Like, it'll still be aparent, he does represent and probably acted like Joyboy, but I can tell Luffy's the kind of dude who doesn't want to be compared to others

[muted ember]

I don't think he would reject rather that he just wouldn't care about it

[fathom matrix]

yeah, but I can see that more as "I'M NOT JOYBOY, JOYBOY WAS AWESOME! STOP COMPARING WHAT HE'S DONE, TO ME!"

[near panther]

Hahaha yea I can see that

[fathom matrix]

Yeah, like Luffy would really respect and think he's cool, like Roger, but Luffy's not like "I want to be the next Roger" or "I'm gonna be the next pirate king, just like roger"

[near panther]

I think Joyboy is just a title though, just like the pirate king

[fathom matrix]

yeah, of course

like it's more of what someone is like that grants the same qualities like that person, and I highly doubt and hope it's not amn incarnation thing

OH SHIT

I JUST HAD AN IDEA

What if Joyboy's promise was to show Posiden the dawn of a new era or the rising sun of dawn. Like, the rise of the sun represents a new day, and that day will be a change that is better for the world.

But Posiden couldn't see it because she was stuck in the ocean or things got worse and JB couldn't keep that promise.

SOOOO, the will of D is the will of Dawn, so that the next Joyboy could change the world (like what kaido said) and keep that promise to Posiden?

[crystal quiver]

.

[fathom matrix]

And the will of D is to change the world, and bring about a dawn to a new era. Keeping that promise to Posiden

[near panther]

I like it tbh but that means the will of D has to be connected to Jb and that wouldn’t make sense for a lot of characters. I love that way of thinking tho

[fathom matrix]

Maybe it's more like JB started off the will of D to keep the promise, but along the way it probably got skewed, forgotten and warped throughout 800 years

and the "next joyboy" is the title given or implied to someone who is more like JB and keeps the most accurate form of the promise or enacts what he intended

[near panther]

What if the ark in fishmen island is to get every fishmen to the surface and have everyone live together? what if joyboy’s promise was to free the fishmen from the suffering racism 😳

[fathom matrix]

Yeah, that works inline with what I had. Like the new era is more peaceful and accepting, no more devision or forcing people under.

Hell, it won't be perfect, and I can see Jinbe acting as a voice to for fishmen to be accepted in the future.

HELL, I bet all the celestial dragons may be arrested or forced by the people to make the marines/WG judge them more accordingly, and they may have to relocate and educate the kids so they don't end up like dolflamingo

[near panther]

We do know fishmen island is going to bw destroyed by luffy, so maybe that’s why?

[fathom matrix]

Honestly, I can see the end of the manga being 5 more chapters.

Discussing how despite the world changing, the marines are still scrutinised for allowing the WG to get away with all the injustice, the fishemen are having hard time living on the surface, people are praising Luffy but he's still comdemed as a criminal by the WG which people are calling BS for.

I can honestly see there being issues and Robin probably says something like "It will never be perfect, and it will take a long time to fix, but now that everything's out in the open, we can learn from the past and make things better. We might be forgotten soon, but as long as the right lessons and morals are passed down, our wills and everyone wills can live on"

or something like that IDK

[near panther]

Lmao your theories are crazy, too bad we’re gonna have to wait like 7 years to know it 😔

[fathom matrix]

We waited this long for wano, and OP is almost done

I think Oda said 5 years, and it's 2022, so 4?

IDK, Oda gives rough estimates and with Covid and health problems/risks, it may be longer

[near panther]

He also said wano is taking longer that excepted

[fathom matrix]

cause Oda got hospitalised more than onde for manga

[near panther]

Yea I just hope he’s healthy

[fathom matrix]

Fuck, he said that?

[sharp anvil]

Pretty sure it will be destroyed so that the world is forced to accept the fishman on the surface as equals.

[fathom matrix]

Honestly, I don't see Wano Ending till my best guess, End of June

This is counting breaks

[near panther]

Yea, they’ll have no place to run to and have to accept the surface as their home even it’s going to be hard

[sharp anvil]

Gotta get back to one piece some how

[pure raven]

I disagree

[sharp anvil]

Gotta give me more than that lol

[pure raven]

It will be destroyed because it's underneath the redline

[pure raven]

I refuse to elaborate furthur

[sharp anvil]

Ok

[pure raven]

Destroying Fishman Island will force the fishman to migrate to the surface. The destruction of it will also help remove the foundation to the red line , with will also help with it's destruction using the World weapons. The seas will become one , thus Sanji seeing the All Blue.

[modest skiff]

Well we never saw the face but it did appear so

[fallow knot]

I think fishman island will be destroyed bcoz of eve tree. Luffy will go to destroy it.

In myth tree of world joins underworld to terrestrial world to heaven. As in one piece world eve tree is in under sea aI guess it connects underworls to earth. And adam may be connect the earth to elbaf.

i think blackbeaed ate the strongest fruit of ev tree and luffy ate the strongest fuit of adam

[near panther]

I think you’re actually right, Roger said he was too early because Shirahoshi wasn’t born yet

[fathom matrix]

Yeah, and in the same chapters of Oden's log book, they pointed out Shirohoshi wouldn't be born for another 4 years.

I feel like the will of D is a promise that couldn't be kept 800 years ago, but can be fulfilled now

[near panther]

For another 10 i just rewatched the roger flashback

And when they say poseidon has the power to destroy the world it means the world has we know it and start a new era

Together with the joyboy of this generation

Roger’s timeline is probably the bad timeline where joyboy and posiedon don’t live at the same time

[near panther]

Noah is the pluton and part of the promise of pluton and posidon and they’ll use the ship to destroy fishmen island, that’s why they’re feared as ancient weapons because they have the power to destroy the world as we know it and fulfil the promise of joyboy and posidon to create a new world of joy

Solved one piece for you people

The one piece is stopping racism

[bright kelp]

I just realised that the kid with shades on big moms flashback is the same guy at her tea party

The underworld guy

This is the same guy

I heard a theory that the long arm cp0 is the kid smiling with the long arms next to mother caramel

And the guy holding the gas mask is the kid behind the kid Crossing his arms

One of the roger pirates was also at the house of lambs aswell

The fishman dude

[pure raven]

Reminds me of the OG designs for big mom and Kaidou 💀

They changed so much

[spice berry]

They are the same?

[bright kelp]

Huh

The kid and the broker are the same person. What did I say that was confusing

[solid badger]

Last time I checked that kid couldn’t speak according to Carmel

Maybe. 75% sure

[bright kelp]

Panel.

Your word is meaningless without panels man

[abstract pond]

The scar is different. And didn't BM ate him?

[spice berry]

You're saying they're the same based on these images?

[bright kelp]

No man

Not all the orphans left at the same time as big mom

[solid badger]

I could say the same to your theory being meaningless to me since the panel u gave us doesn’t show the kid talking so my point stands until u give us a panel of the kid speaking

[bright kelp]

And the scar is the exact same. The headshape is the same aswell

[solid badger]

Gave em the reverse uno

[bright kelp]

And it explains why big mom invited him

The headshape and scar give it away man

[spice berry]

BM invited him because he is Black market king.

[versed hamlet]

All the orphans were there when big mom ate carmel. She ate all of them

[bright kelp]

My theory isn't about someone talking yours is lmao

[bright kelp]

No she didn't man. Some left before she ate them semla

[solid badger]

When did they leave

[bright kelp]

While big mom stayed with caramel

[gray creek]

Except maybe hopefully the CP0 guys, but that’s another theory

[bright kelp]

Clearly the kid with the gas mask is the cp0 guy man

[solid badger]

Those kids were present when Lin Lin ate them

[dull pumice]

Didn't this kid get eaten? Along other 2, who people are speculating to be cp0 members?

[versed hamlet]

No reread chapter 867.

[bright kelp]

We didn't see her eat anything

[versed hamlet]

There is no way they would join cp0 without being sold by carmel though.

[bright kelp]

The only person we know she ate is mother caramel

[versed hamlet]

You can say that about carmel but then youre missing the point of the flashback.

[bright kelp]

No It's confirmed she ate caramel. The others isn't comfirmed

[dull pumice]

The only 2 people who were at the island and didn't get eaten were giant who ran away and main chef

[spice berry]

And the kids just vanished into thin air.

[versed hamlet]

No it isnt confirmed for any of that. Its just obvious if you read it

[bright kelp]

It's an assumption

The only confirmed eating was mother caramel

[versed hamlet]

No

[bright kelp]

Vanished isn't eaten man

[versed hamlet]

So carmel wasnt eaten then.

[bright kelp]

I literally just said she was eaten what's wrong with you

[versed hamlet]

You missed the whole point of the flashback lol

[bright kelp]

Yeah I'm done I can't talk to a guy who ignores what I say

[solid badger]

He couldn’t handle the neutron style

[abstract pond]

Some people love their hills

[gray creek]

It’s helpful if you don’t ignore their point, or the context clues of the manga. “Caramel and the children vanished.” They’re implied to share the same fate. We know Caramel was eaten. We know the children were present. Put the rest together yourself, or keep being obstinate

[fathom matrix]

TBH, it may be a case where Mother Caramel and maybe a few people were eaten, but everyone else just ran away, and they were terrified.

[abstract pond]

Then the Orphan at WCI would say "holy shit BM? I didn't see you since you ate caramel and half the kids! How you doing?"

[spring cape]

I agree

[fathom matrix]

who?

[abstract pond]

The Black market king

[fathom matrix]

AH OK. That kid has a stitched scar like lufy, where as the bmk has a more battle damaged one

But the glasses, nose, mouth and head shape do look similar

[abstract pond]

And the angle of the scar is different too. And looks like goes further past the eyes than the other

BMK scar goes straight to the upper nose when the orphan doesn't even pass the left eye

[fathom matrix]

OH YEAH.

I honestly doubt he's that kid.

BUT I still believe 2 of those CP9 agents are the orphans from back then.

Like, one them has a gas mask like gask like that one kid, the dude with the short lower arms looks like a long armed tribe member.

[hoary onyx]

SSG theory and what it is
So y'all know how Vegapunk was able to recreate Kaido's DF to a certain extent (was stated to be a "failure")? Vegapunk figured out how to make artificial Logia and Paramecia Fruits that are not considered "failures", and a division of Marines now have them. These artificial DF's are able to awaken. I believe this would be able to match, if not be greater, than the 7 Warlords of the Sea powers.

Why Momo's DF is considered a failure
His DF can do everything but awaken properly. We've seen Momo's fruit do everything Kaido's can, but since every DF can awaken, Momo's cannot awaken and therefore it is considered a failure. This would also mean there is a way to tell if a fruit can awaken or not without eating it.

[slow siren]

I believe this for a awhile that Kuina didn't die she faked her death to motivate Zoro

[pallid ibex]

That’d be cool if she was alive tbh

[pallid ibex]

So you just think that vegapunk has other successful df?

[bronze palm]

Wasn’t there a theory that Tashigi is reincarnation of Kuina or that Tashigi and Kuina are related to each other somehow?

[tame pilot]

That would be a good power up for coby ngl, so the reason he is confident about fighting boa

[slow siren]

I believe Tasgigi is a gorwn up Kuina

A nerdy accident probe is most likely a perfect act

[muted ember]

Have y'all heard the theory that the New World is a repeat of Paradise?

[slow siren]

Do you really believe a sword professional like Kuina randomly tripped and fell on her sword

[pallid ibex]

I really don’t believe it at all tbh

[molten marsh]

yes because it was tripping D stairs

[muted ember]

Some of the themes and scenarios are inverted or twisted to make it different but a lot of stuff basically happens again in a different way

And it lines up

[pallid ibex]

If kuina was alive I would love to see zoros reaction

[pallid ibex]

Repeat of paradise?

[slow siren]

Zoro would be pissed that his love faked her death

[muted ember]

Yes the new world arcs reflect the first half of the grand line

[pallid ibex]

I don’t know if that’s his love but more of someone he looked up to and admired deeply. But I think he would cry. It’d be a very big moment for him.

[pallid ibex]

Oh maybe a little 🤷‍♂️

[slow siren]

Dude it's kinda obvious he has the hots for her

[pallid ibex]

I mean maybe a child hood crush. I would actually love to see hiyori and zoro together. It really makes sense to me after the story ends

[hoary onyx]

pretty much

its probably been disproven somewhere but its fun to think about

[pallid ibex]

I hope it’s more of advanced technology instead of df tbh. Maybe he gave up on the idea of replicating df

[muted ember]

Nah it's a lot even down to small details. Wano would be Thriller Bark. There was Rocks Pirates, Chopper called Sanji a zombie, and Nami said she was a man named Namizou (Izo)

[pallid ibex]

Bc then it takes away from the excitement of learning about natural df if he can just make them @hoary onyx

[muted ember]

That's just a few examples for one arc

[hoary onyx]

thats true

[pallid ibex]

So you think like alabasta lines up w dressrosa, skypeia lines up w punk hazard or something like that?

[muted ember]

Skypeia is Zou, an island in the sky

He just put it on the back of an elephant instead

[hoary onyx]

do you think that the idea of vegapunk figuring how to nullify df powers from technology takes away from that

[muted ember]

I'm going to do a long write up I just wanted to see if it would be interesting to ppl

[pallid ibex]

I don’t know possibly. I just feel like arcs like wci and punk hazard throw that off

[pallid ibex]

It takes away from haki tbh. I think it should be hella advanced technology that is comparable to powerful df and haki. So we’d have like 4 powerful things (df, haki, ancient weapons, technology)

[pallid ibex]

Yeah I’m interested

But what would the result of that be. Like if your theory were to be correct, what would change about the outcome? @muted ember

[slow siren]

Hey I weird dream about Gold D Rogger the other night

[muted ember]

They go in order. WCI is the entire water 7 arc. A Nakama is coerced into leaving and they go to retrieve them. And it lines up with Water 7 being before thriller bark like WCI and Wano

[pallid ibex]

That’s funny I had a dream about one piece characters yesterday but I forgot who😂

[muted ember]

Idk I just think it's cool and might help ppl predict the rest of the New World

[pallid ibex]

Oh true

[pallid ibex]

I mean I could also see marineford reflects the end kinda

But also I think there’ll be a couple extra arcs at the end that won’t align completely to the grand line arcs

Like the WG and bb arcs. Marineford will probably line up vs navy tho

[slow siren]

The dream was he used to put a X on his maps but ended with a shit ton of muinties and his treasure the one piece was bailed at 150,000,000,000 B

[muted ember]

But if I'm correct the story after the one piece might follow that cycle again for the end, just super fast. For example, FMI, is Arlong Park, so the first major event after finding the One Piece would be the destruction of FMI

Alabasta and Dressrosa would probably be a confrontation at Mariejois

[slow siren]

Dose that mean Vivi and her people are going to die

I mean 150 billion is a alot right

[pallid ibex]

I’m going thru the color walks and I been seeing luffy w a lot of tigers… gear 5 tiger man?

It can’t all be a coincidence right 😅

[slow siren]

I heard there's a theroy that 1 Beli = 1 Yen

So 150,000,000,000 Beli = 150,000,000,000 Yen = $1,293,650,738.41¢

[solid badger]

Luffy worth 13 milli

That’s trillions my G

[agile tangle]

What will it be about?

[muted ember]

The New World being a repeat of Paradise. If u scroll through I gave a few examples but I'm gonna go through everything and explain the parallels

https://youtu.be/7dsxaLiY5ss

[pallid ibex]

Another tiger

[agile tangle]

I'm gonna do a reread soon but what's Paradise again

[muted ember]

Paradise is the first half of the grand line

[agile tangle]

Oh yea

could you give me a ping when you're done with it

[muted ember]

That's a video on the original theory but I think the link is gone

[slow siren]

No it's $12,942,214.24¢

[muted ember]

Yea i will

[agile tangle]

Aight thanks

[solid badger]

If I have $12,942,214.24 imma tell people I have 13 milli

[slow siren]

1.5 billion Bili = 1.5 Yen = 12.9 million dollars

[modest skiff]

currency conversions aren't really what this channel is intended for so please keep it on topic of theories

[slow siren]

Isn't 1 Beli to USD a theroy

[modest skiff]

No

[slow siren]

Oh I stop

[inland wave]

theory - im sama is breed with the peto peto no mi

[muted ember]

Could I get your thoughts on theory I proposed?

[modest skiff]

I’m out getting a pizza right now but yes I’d be happy to later!

[muted ember]

Ok thanks

[modest skiff]

@muted ember I am seeing bits and pieces of alluding to a theory. Is it typed up in a start to finish way anywhere that I am missing?

[dark idol]

Theory- the d clan is there to bring the dawn of the world

[muted ember]

Nah I'm going to type up a full theory I just wanted some general thoughts

[muted ember]

Start here

[modest skiff]

Yeah, I read from there and it felt a little scattered and I think in a case like this where events are being compared, detail becomes necessary. Someone getting kidnapped and the other details are clearly repeated, but in order for it to feel like something more significant, I think the details matter. Sanji rejected help, feeling powerless against the enemy in front of him, just like Robin, I think all of this is valid. But I think think this would benefit from all being tied together in a cohesive way.

Just to make sure I am understanding correctly:

Alabasta:Dressrosa
Skypiea:Zou
Water7+Enies:WCI
ThrillerBark:Wano
?

I think everything up through WCI can be compared. But pretty major differences are present. Overall I would like to hear how you would specifically compare them and which components you think make them comparable from a plot standpoint rather than just mechanistically. It is an interesting idea and I look forward to hearing your full elaboration

[timber silo]

so will elbaf be saboady then

and what would impel down be might be meeting bb again

and marineford final war arc

[modest skiff]

I am of the belief we don't have any concrete reason to think Elbaf is the next arc. But if we pre-suppose that, yeah, it would be the arc where the straw hats are deeply humbled

[frozen roost]

I feel like next arc that strawhats will go to wci as a whole crew and take down bm wano isn’t her territory so I doubt she’d be taken down there

[timber silo]

they have no reason to go now

they already got road poneglyphs

the road poneglyph big mom had

[sand sail]

Luffy actually tells Big Mom and Katakuri that he was going to come back just to beat her

[modest skiff]

I would love WCI second arc

[kindred valve]

i think luffy will have eternal youth hbu guys?

[timber silo]

next arc?

yh sure they will go later but next arc would be just stupid tbh

[spice berry]

Are these from the same year? I heard somewhere Oda draws Luffy with animals corresponding to the Chinese calendar.

[pallid ibex]

2010 was the last year of the tiger. You could be right but I don’t know tbh

[spice berry]

Yeah Tiger years are 2010, 2022, 1998

[pallid ibex]

Yeah but I don’t know when those drawing were made 🤔

[spice berry]

You could be right about new form being Tiger.

[pallid ibex]

To be fair that’s like 3 tigers. I didn’t see any other zodiacs I don’t think while looking thru the color walks

I coulda missed them tho. But like dragon I saw many times too but the last one was 2012

[agile tangle]

I feel like post wano could be saboady

Sort of that in between period between one arc and the next

[grave thunder]

if big mom and kaido is defeated , do you guys think there's a possibility of having 5 emperors? namely Bb,Shanks,Luffy,Law and Kidd or Kidd ,law or somebody else would get the last seat?

[sudden dirge]

honestly i don’t know if the yonko “system” would stand or not if two were defeated at once but i could see katakuri taking over for big mom and luffy replacing kaido

i doubt kid and law will be considered yonko

plus we have to consider how weak law’s crew is

[mellow sapphire]

There isn't really a Yonko "system" either

Like the power balance mainly consists of 4 pirates but that is always being disrupted

[proven monolith]

im not even sure how oda can hv two yonkos drop out

[split glacier]

They won't. They aren't gonna get regulated to regular pirates lol

[stuck egret]

The D in Monkey D. Luffy stands for destiny

this goes for all D’s

[visual furnace]

They lose their respect and prestige on the seas which is a huge blow to being a yonko

The main foundations of being a yonko is no one can do shit to you except other yonkos

and if a few rookies march and destroy your home ground

[next swan]

So out of curiosity what do people think about the one piece theory that artur released?

Honestly its the most accurate estimate at what the one piece actually is I’ve ever heard

[fathom matrix]

which?

[next swan]

The idea that the one piece is Sake itself, to be delivered to the whole world to throw the worlds biggest party once the red line is destroyed

The one piece being sake sounds ridiculous doesn’t it? Like it almost makes you “laugh” when you hear it

[fathom matrix]

Huh

The one piece being sake isn't actually a decent idea.

That may actually be why Roger and everyone else laughed, that they read the story of the void century, and once the world is free or fishmen rise up and live on the surface, they can open the bottle and take a drink

[timber silo]

that would be cool

[fathom matrix]

Like, of course there would be treasure, jewels, gold ponoglyths, items, and maybe some tech

But the sake is saved for a special occassion.

Like, I can see a note saying "do not open until insert date here and they laughed going HAHAHAHA, MAN, I WISH WE CAN OPEN THIS BOTTLE!"

[next swan]

Honestly it feels like a spoiler, I’m very convinced

Sake has always been used as an important thing in the story constantly

[fathom matrix]

plus, parties have been a thing of one piece, celebrations for events.

And people theorise that Bink's brew is from the void century

[next swan]

Yeah the whole theory artur wrote up and made a video about covers that

[fathom matrix]

I honestly like the idea, that Luffy's dream has been to start the world's biggest party.

It doesn't matter what you are. Human, raindeer, cyborg, merfolk, fishman, mink, skypien. Everyone can grab a cup and drink all night

everyone is equal, especially for one giant party

[next swan]

Yup party with the whole world where everyone exchanges sake would be a great way to end the series, so poetic and perfect. Also, the first chapter basically spells it out.

[severe ice]

Really? I thought that Polar Bear was strong Tho!

[next swan]

The first chapter is all about sharing sake and partying. The main conflict being the bandits who wanted it for themselves despite shanks trying to share his last bottle

[fathom matrix]

I could see the end of Wano classifying them as the 6 emporers, cause when Kaido's probably defeated, maybe killed, he could lose the title (more likely if he's dead), and it's Luffy, Law and Kidd that take them.

Hell, imagine Sakazuki calling Fujitora going "Get rid of the warlords, you said, we have the SSG, you said. WELL LOOK WHERE WE ARE, WE GOT 6 OF THE FUCKERS NOW, ARE YOU HAPPY?"

[craggy pumice]

I think Big Mom loses her title too

[fathom matrix]

nah, I think she'll still have it, but here reputation may be hindered

[next swan]

The one piece treasure is literally on the cover

[fathom matrix]

Like, people may not fear her as much. Hell, I can see some people leaving whole cake island

[pure raven]

This should be illegal brook is never cute

[sudden dirge]

yes

[heady parrot]

i watched artur’s theory last night and i’m pretty convinced too. the one piece is probably a few things but i’m convinced bink’s sake will be there now as well.

[amber oar]

I like it but I doubt Shueisha would accept the big treasure being alcohol

[next swan]

Alcohol is viewed much differently in Japan

[heady parrot]

yeah i don’t think sharing sake would be an issue for shonen jump. now what would be funny is to see how 4kids would deal with that ending lmao.

the treasure is juice

[next swan]

They could turn it into water and make it a story about providing the world with water

Even though that’s practically never been brought up and the world is mostly water

Alabasta though

[heady parrot]

alabasta had water problems but that’s about it

[amber oar]

I mean the world is mostly salt water

[heady parrot]

we just need vegapunk to invent desalination

then we can turn all the worlds salty water into fresh water

i do believe vegapunk is secretly using government money to build something that will either help the strawhats or help the people of the world.

[sharp vessel]

do you think Luffy would form a alliance with kaido and big mom to save sabo. since kaido wants to start a big war and big mom wants a big tea party( I don't remember her goal) but they can do a big party after the war? Cuz once Luffy beats them what would happen to their journey. Idk I just thought about it

[modest skiff]

If you're interested, here are my reasons why I don't like the theory #manga-theories message

[next swan]

Well the thing that brings people together is the sake itself

[modest skiff]

But its not like sake is the reason the grand fleet was formed. The sake is what is used to celebrate the events that led to the formation. Drinking the sake formalizes it, but its not like the grand fleet would have been formed without the events that came before the sake

[abstract pond]

I'm not a fan either of the One Piece being sake xd

[steady dust]

I like the idea of Bink's sake being a real thing tho

[next swan]

But an offering of sake to someone else in Japanese culture is certainly an act of forming a connection and bringing people together in of itself. And Artur said that the one piece wasn’t just the Sake but everything that would come from sake being delivered to everybody. The world being ONE, hence the one piece

[amber oar]

The sake is a symbol at the end of the day. I don't think the One Piece is literally sake, but there's a symbolic aspect on sake nonetheless and that may be a part of the treasure

[next swan]

The world being connected again with the topple of the government and destruction of the red line, with sake to celebrate

[modest skiff]

I think that much like the rest of bink's sake, the song is a metaphor. And just like how sake is used to bring people together, the one piece does as well. But in a more literal way.

[modest skiff]

So you're saying the act of delivering sake would bring the world together?

[next swan]

Yes. Once the world government is overthrown, red line destroyed and all the races are United as one.

The sake is a metaphorical celebration of freedom and connection

[modest skiff]

Wouldn't that mean the One Piece itself had no role in anything prior to the celebration?

[next swan]

Yeah that’s why Roger laughed most likely. Cause it’s literally just sake.

Whatever is there isn’t capable of uniting the world or roger would have done it

[modest skiff]

I think there are enough other reasons to laugh. It being sake really just doesn't make sense. Sengoku wouldn't be freaking out about it "turning the world upside down" if it was sake

[amber oar]

I mean a lot of sake will turn you upside down

[modest skiff]

Roger talks about being there too early. And we know there is a cyclic nature to Poseiden. I think its a lot more likely it just wasn't the right time yet. Especially since all the prophecy stuff with Wano, we have a lot of reason to think there is some kinda big alignment of events

[next swan]

Well correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t oden state they learned the full history at laughtale or was that through reading poneglyths?

[abstract pond]

Yeah me too. But not the final goal of the entire series xd

[amber oar]

He said "That day we learned....", so yeah, it was at Laugh Tale

[next swan]

So then yeah the biggest motivator for the WG to safeguard the island is the history then

[modest skiff]

I think its very likely this sake exists somewhere, and it will likely be a part of some grand celebration, but all the other evidence we have suggests the one piece needs certain events to line up at a certain time in order to be utilized. And the WG being afraid of sake just seems really weird

[next swan]

I think laughtale itself is more like a test, as anyone who makes it there would have fulfilled the prophecy and Poseidon would be alive. The ability to overthrow the WG and bring about the new dawn doesn’t have much to do with the one piece I think. It has to come from outside forces. Like the Allies and strength the straw hats have been building along the way with the ancient weapons. The WG doesn’t want anyone going to laughtale because we know that the full history of the void century is there. That’s enough

[abstract pond]

I think is gonna be something nobody expected as per usual with Oda

[next swan]

Well this is something nobody expected till now tbf

[tranquil swan]

I don't think Roger's crew would laugh at finding some sake

[ancient vault]

i'd find it underwhelming

I dont like theories on what the OP is tbh. I want to keep that a surprise

[amber oar]

I'm checking the lyrics now and trying to find possible metaphores. Full lyrics here of course https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Binks'_Sake. The verses summarize as:

1: They're going to deliver Binks' sake on a sunny day
2: They say goodbye to their hometown
3: They embrace pirate life
4: They go through a storm
5: Their goodbye is forever, as they'll never meet again. Night falls.
6: One day you'll die, but the journey never ends

I'm intrigued by the second to fifth verses. "Waves of gold and silver dissolve to salty spray / As we all set sail to the ends of the sea". If they mean literal gold and silver, it could be interpreted as they're sailing from a land that used to be wealthy and is now impoverished. The crumbling AK?

Only the third verse does a direct mention to piracy, and it comes after the references to leaving and "gold and sivler dissolving". Did they embrace the outlaw life after being exiled from their ruined land?

And the fourth verse reaffirms that it's a trip without return. "Waving our goodbyes, we'll never meet again! / But don't look so down, For tomorrow night the moon will also rise!". The fall of the Kingdom and the promise for a new dawn, sometime in the future?

[ancient vault]

6. Sounds like dreams never die

[amber oar]

oh yeah

[ancient vault]

1. sounds like having a dream and 2. setting sail or starting the journey to achieve said dream

[fathom matrix]

I can imagine Franky takes the remains of the destroyed raid suit and reverse engineers the tech for his own purposes.

Like, he makes sanji a new raid suit and says "Look, don't worry. I know the raid suit made your Germa Genes reawaken, but I found out what caused the trigger, and I removed it. It does however cut some of the extra speed and power, but it can still provide decent protection and extends your invasbility"

[gentle lily]

Will Luffy lose his eye to Kaido during Act 3? I saw a post talking about Kaido repeatedly talking about Luffy's eyes or stare

[strong holly]

nah, his eye staying

[boreal gate]

Nah

[opal sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/let-me-in-eric-andre-wanna-come-in-gif-13730108

My gifs work

Thanks to whoever told me about the roles

[sand sail]

Would rather you test that out somewhere else, this channel is for theory discussion.

[gentle lily]

Honestly, I've been rereading the fight as well as past chapters where Kaido mentions Luffy and I'm seeing that he might actually lose his left eye here. I'm collecting research so I'll post it here later

[primal cargo]

I've seen a few people (and I've done it as well) argue that the One Piece is probably several things, with sake possibly being one of them.
I cannot believe that we're even thinking of this. The One Piece is definitely, absolutely a treasure that is in one piece.
It's in the name ffs. There is 0% chance that the One Piece is several things put together.

[weak arrow]

I mean… I would argue the truth of the void century is part of one piece. And since that’s not the only thing that I think will be apart of one piece, and I doubt you do either, that would mean that last statement is incorrect thinking.

[primal cargo]

Well I mean there can be various things waiting in Laugh Tale. However the treasure itself is One Piece. Written as "the great treasure that is in one piece". It can't be like a bottle of sake along with a bunch of gold and the remote control for the ancient weapons. It's something that encapsulates eveything.
Otherwise you wouldn't give that name to the most important thing in the manga (and to the manga itself)

[weak arrow]

“Well I mean there can be various things waiting in laugh tale,”

This sounds like you’re trying to jump through hoops to say that one piece can only be one thing. It all comes together to be the one piece. Whitebeard pretty much says it is.

We also know roger laughed.

So unless you you believe the one piece is only the truth of the void century, then you have to accept that it’s at least 2 things put together, and if it’s 2, why can’t there logically be more

[primal cargo]

Of course, you're right to point out the inconsistency in what I'm saying. But I would be inclined to say that the One Piece must then also contain the key to the true history. On top of being a cool treasure and being useful to unite the world.
The point I want to make is simply that the name "One Piece" is of incredible importance and HAS to make sense in retrospect once we know what the treasure is.

[mint barn]

mihawk joins red hair pirates

[modest skiff]

Haven’t heard that one before. What makes you think he’ll join?

[steep sundial]

def a possible alliance but joining im not sure unless thats what you meant

[mint barn]

i sort of just thought maybe he'd join them because red hair pirates might fight straw hats later in the series and he wants to fight zoro or smth

[royal spruce]

so Magellan's probably awakened right?

likr the demon thing he made that could Poison the land itself

[weak arrow]

probably not

his awakening would likely just turn his surroundings into poison

[scenic thicket]

vegapunks secret weapon is giant sized (think bigger thn orz) kuma robots

[gentle lily]

Here something I worked on today, lmk what yall think:
https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/rxxu1s/the_pirate_with_an_eye_patch_spoilers_ch_1036/

[modest skiff]

You have labeled this as "CH 1036+", does that mean it includes the spoilers for chapter 1037?

[gentle lily]

no I just did that cause I see others do that

Really spoilers end at 1025, but I kinda talk about 1036

[modest skiff]

Great, just wanted to make sure. Thanks!

[scarlet stirrup]

cool theory, also IIRC, when Im is leaving the room with the flowers Luffys wanted poster is slashed with the left eye gone

[gentle lily]

yeah I was gonna actually include that in the theory originally (theres also one where BM stabs a knife near his left eye), but decided not to because it seemed a bit out of place

[gentle lily]

Theres also a quote in 1025 where Luffy says: "Left! I said Left." to momo giving him directions, directly before crashing into Onigashima

[heady parrot]

i think luffy will lose his eye at the end of chapter 1047 which will also be the final chapter of volume 103 and the end of act 3. it will be the tragedy of act 3.

[gentle lily]

why 1047 exactly?

[heady parrot]

90 chapters since the beginning of act 3. act 1 was roughly 15 chapters and act 2 was roughly 30. if both volume 102 and 103 are 11 chapter volumes then 103 could end on 1047 which would line up with a potential end for act 3. then volume 104 would start with the intermission and act 4 would begin at the very end of 1050.

[gentle lily]

So you'd say how many chapters left in Wano, I was thinking 30ish

[heady parrot]

act 4 starts around 1050 and ends by 1065 at the latest and will probably also act as the end of wano. “act 5” or whatever comes after 1065 may be post-wano content and i could see that being up to 15 more chapters. meaning there’s a good chance we may not be officially into the next saga for 44 more chapters.

i think there’s roughly 30 chapters left in the central wano conflict tho

[gentle lily]

I was thinking along the lines of Wano ending this year

[heady parrot]

last chapter of 2022 will probably be 1072 so there’s a real chance we won’t see the end of the four emperors saga until Q1 2023

[modest skiff]

After the way water7/enies turned out I don’t think there’s any value in trying to predict arc length

[weak arrow]

@oblique isle not the place to ask

[pale swift]

Act 3 should be ending now. We just got the gorosei

[boreal gate]

@gentle lily tag me

[pure raven]

I think the next couple of chapters will be the end of wano

Once Kidd and Law defeat Big Mom

And once Luffy beats Kaido

[halcyon tusk]

could be right. any more buildup would just come off as redundant and if we don’t move things along sooner rather than later then it’s going to become counterproductive just trying to close out the arc. i’m worried that we might already be in too deep to cleanly wrap it up

[pure raven]

no cause we still don't know what will happen once kaido and big mom will be defeated cause navy is still coming with hughe fleet

[pale swift]

No he wasn't interested in conqueroring.

And shiki said he had access to an ancient weapon.
This can't be poseidon as she wasn't born yet. It is unlike to be pluton aswell