manga-theories

[fathom matrix]

Like, if he found out Sabo was either being executed, arrested, put on trial, etc, I think he would have some PTSD or memory of not going after Ace when he could have or tried to.

And maybe if he was close to reaching laughtale, he may have to put it on hold or risk losing pirate king, because he wouldn't want to lose his brother again. Cause he wouldn't say "It's ok, Sabo's got his own adventure, he'll be fine", cause he wouldn't want to fail again, rescuing a brother

[pure raven]

Well he did went after ace although he was late

And as for sabo pretty sure that after luffy wins wano
The vivre card would be burning and tge same vivre card is also with straw hat grand fleet and they can use den den mushj or some other means to unform luffy

And most jmportantly we sre still not sure if sabk being executed or not

[fathom matrix]

Sabo never gave Luffy his vivre card

[pure raven]

I thibk he did in dresserosa let me check

[fathom matrix]

he gave the strawhats a copy of Luffy's

to share, so that if there was a grand fleet meet up, they'd be able to see where Luffy was

[pure raven]

Oh right i just checked it was luffys

Still personally wouldnt want to have the same ace excution thing again

Would want to have something different this time

[split glacier]

Luffy wouldn't leave Sabo to die to become PK. That's literally against his character.

[neon shoal]

Does anyone know why numbers are failure? Number seem successful ancient giant because all ten numbers are behemoth,powerful and live long as giants.

[split glacier]

Because they can only say their own name like Pokemon. Highly doubt ancient giants were just some big dummies that couldn't speak properly. They don't have full mental capabilities. Little Oars Jr at the War is an example

[neon shoal]

I see
But honestly, i think number are closest experiment to being successful.

[amber oar]

I mean we've had a living ancient giant in present time and he's normal intelligence (and a pretty chill dude it seems)

Oh didn't read the last bit

[split glacier]

The only experiment and still failures

[ancient vault]

Theyre braindead

I wonder whos work that was

It wasnt said that it was VP

And I also wonder why VP said momos fruit was a failure. Did he lie? Or whats exactly different to Kaidos

[amber oar]

There's some dark implications with the Numbers - their reaction to General Franky suggests their minds are more childlike than anything. And they're drunkards which means someone at some point gave them alcohol

[ancient vault]

Theyre known to be insufferable when drunk. Queen said that

[amber oar]

I think it was a "failure" for Vegapunk's standards. Normal zoans don't seem to transform randomly when upset.

[ancient vault]

Momo managed to transform normally

[ancient vault]

Im pretty sure we‘ve seen other DFs accidentally activate

[amber oar]

because he's overcoming his emotions.

Now, the question is, do regular zoans need to overcome their emotions in order to fully control their transformation?

[neon shoal]

Even if number are fail ancient giants, numbers probably closest to perfect average giant. Compared to ceasar clown experiment, numbers are bit more successful than ceasar clown experiment

[ancient vault]

Didnt we see others DFs activate based on emotions

[amber oar]

did we?

[ancient vault]

Mhm maybe i remembered wrong

[amber oar]

the closest I can think is Monet being unable to rebuilt herself after Zoro made her shit her pants

[vestal orbit]

i think momo and monet being unable to control their transformations was just because they couldn't focus enough like how someone traumatized is jumpy and how you can tremble when you're scared

[split glacier]

They're all failures.

[pure raven]

could vp possibly have worked on multiple df ?and momos df was one of them and labelled failure?

[pure raven]

Kaidos? He seem to have transfored multiple when drunk?

Pretty sure Luffy as a child always stretchibg his arms and all other stuff.

[ancient vault]

He can control it tho

[neon shoal]

Nevermind

[ancient vault]

Multiple? Only once

[pure raven]

He we seen oy once but the way jake taljs about that

He seems to have done it many times

[vestal orbit]

always thought child luffy flopping his arms around seemed to be more because of a lack of muscle and experience

[ancient vault]

I think its more so that he just goes crazy when hes drunk and roams around the island

[ancient vault]

Yeah

[ancient vault]

That was just COC at this point

[pure raven]

Yeah same way luffy did to duvals bull unexperienced and instinct

[unborn onyx]

Lol

[sand sail]

We are not going to try to retcon that

[slim mountain]

Luffy's vivre card will play an important role. We were shown that the SHGF all possess a piece of it and will show up if Luffy is in trouble. Luffy has already been in trouble during Wano but they haven't been summoned and so it will require something even bigger. Something like what happened to Ace probably. Also, it would need to be something that is not too fast because they need time to travel and save him. I am thinking Luffy will be captured. Perhaps this is how he meets back up with Sabo/Vivi

[ancient vault]

Blame oda

[plucky kiln]

Wait you've got a good point there. Luffy got oneshotted, and beaten unconsocius and is currently at his very limits, and the SHGF should actually be able to see that

maybe they are on the way

[slim mountain]

Yes, either they are on the way now or it'll take something even more major

[plucky kiln]

yes, but what could be more dangerous than facing the worlds strongest creature.
Otherwise I dont think the vivre card will play a role if its not kaido. like then luffy might just contact his bros*

but yes this is interesting

[fathom matrix]

This might sound weird, but could it be that the experiment lead to lower brain functionality, because their processing power or oxygen intake is reduced, and most of it's provided to the body for combat and stuff?

Hell, I could be wrong, but isn't Hatcha the only giant that can speak normally?

[vestal orbit]

hatcha could speak?

[slim mountain]

It's more like.. what will make Luffy's life closer to ending. What puts his life more on the brink of death. It's not necessarily who the threat is, but the situation Luffy is put into

[fathom matrix]

I think he could, one of the numbers can say things other than their name.

[plucky kiln]

yes although IM not sure if that situation is what will call the others. like when luffys life is in danger, it will be too late for all people to gather together and come to save him

they might be already on the way since they are aware of luffy fighting two yonkos

[vestal orbit]

huh, thought that female number was the only one that seemed a bit less animalistic

[fathom matrix]

Well, she still looks a bit monstrous and she hadn't said anything other than her name

[vestal orbit]

yea but i really don't remember any of them talking + that female number was still able to work with maria's plan and hallucinations

[fathom matrix]

I say he has 40 more years.

20 at least

[slim mountain]

Well yeah I'm not saying he's going to die

[fathom matrix]

Oh no not yet, but he fucked his lifespan

[shut finch]

This is interesting, but they reasonably could have the same mindset as end of thriller bark Luffy on Ace and just trust that he’ll be fine. The grand fleet showing up to Wano definitely is possible tho and I wouldn’t hate it. Maybe they could help secure Wano even with the WG there

[slim mountain]

Keep in mind the Grand Fleet does not have the same mindset as Luffy himself, as shown with their inception. However, I think that based on the narration during the SHGF scene, it will be something bigger than helping out at Wano

[plucky kiln]

LOL I completely forgot about the fact that Momonosuke read odens log and was surprised and terrfied
I wonder what he read

[shut finch]

Oh for sure, but I’m just saying that’s a reason we could use for why they wouldn’t come to Wano. The grand fleet helping secure Wano might not be the war triggering event that was mentioned in dressrosa, but it’d definitely continue to establish Luffy as an even bigger threat

[slim mountain]

Agreed

[pure raven]

wait so do you guys know the devil fruit number theory?

[slim mountain]

Yes

[pure raven]

there is a high chance vivi is the next crew member but

[plucky kiln]

maybe vivi ('s mother)is imu sama

[pure raven]

if we just change that devil fruit number theory from 1-10 to 0-11

then yamato can also join the crew, leaving the 2 and 9 numbers unused

[slim mountain]

Vivi is already a member

[shut finch]

I really like the idea of the grand fleet going to Wano now

[pure raven]

vivi will probably get kuma's fruit

if the theory is correct

[plucky kiln]

lol

[slim mountain]

Not a power scaling discussion, but if Vivi joins will Usopp still be weaker than her? I am curious in terms of what her joining on a more official capacity would look like

Because he is supposed to be weakest, right?

[vestal orbit]

~~he gets a powerup at elbaf and becomes one of the strongest straw hats before dying after fulfilling his dream ~~

[slim mountain]

I think that's not crazy

[pure raven]

How lucci and kaku get back in cp0

[muted ember]

By being strong I would assume

[sand sail]

It was probably through Spandam's connections

[deep crypt]

Poor Jabra

[pure raven]

Yeah i was gonna say that

[visual merlin]

I imagine they beat up enough pirates that the WG decided they needed them back

then just rose up to cp0

over time

[pure raven]

Basically what i think is
Lucci kaku and the cp9 agents were being fugitives, beating up marine ships, but i feel like they faught marine ships to where they fought vice admirals, and lucci basically said: “ we can’t forever be weak like this” since we know lucci knew haki pre ts he probably taught them the concept and they just learned it through battle, but the more they beat up marine ships, the more they got strong, and the more calls spandam got, this led spandam to be so worried for his life he just used his connections to invite them back to the wg, but the rest of the cp9 agents were like no since they left them for dead, only lucci was agreeing, kaku was indecisive but later ended up joining lucci, and there was one thing about the deal that was slightly changed, it’s that lucci and kaku have to be their superiors in contrast to spandam being the leader

But i think lucci and kaku will end up betraying the wg because they will realize that they will be losing and they aren’t idiots so they will take spandam and dip, possibly kill as many people as they can, and hey maybe a who’s who vs lucci

And then later take spandam to their secret lair with the rest of the cp9 agents and torture spandam to death

@sand sail @visual merlin ok?

Damn no one reading my theory..

But the real questions is how was spandam able to get in cp0

Like i get he has connections but it can’t be that well to where he’s able to get out of failing the most important mission of cp9 or assuming it’s the most important mission since they are killing off the last remaining person being able to read poneglyphs

@muted ember

[muted ember]

I don't think Lucci or Kaku cares about Spandam that much to want to torture him. And I don't see Lucci turning on the government but maybe Kaku

[pure raven]

They’ll turn on the government when they’re about to lose, as a connection to enies lobby, and they’ll only torture spandam when the wg is done

[ancient vault]

Maybe kaku. Lucci never tho

[amber oar]

Lucci loves the WG so much his beard is a CD

[pure raven]

Lucci only serves the wg so he can kill so what’s the point of staying with them if they’re not gonna survive for long

[zinc jasper]

I’m still confused till this day on why Lucci is soo loyal to the world gov

Like was he hypnotized or..

[modest skiff]

He was brainwashed as a kid, yes

[sand sail]

He isn't really loyal for the sake of the government, he's loyal for the sake of his position

He doesn't care about them at all, it's why he denies any kind of promotion for the Water 7 job. He just wants a chance for sanctioned murder

[gentle jewel]

https://vm.tiktok.com/TTPd64dQ2N/

Thoughts?

[modest skiff]

Rather than post a link and ask for thoughts, since this channel is intended for higher effort discussion, please provide your own thoughts first so that people have something to respond to

[pure raven]

They are not fugitives and most likely all former cp9 members are in cp0

[gentle jewel]

Bru

[last panther]

what thu hell

[sturdy hawk]

When is this from?

[pure raven]

The vivre card of cp9 showed some wrong info. This is its correction. Just google cp9 vivre card

[sturdy hawk]

Yea but when was the correction

[pure raven]

If you mean where, here is the link
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thelibraryofohara.com/2020/01/03/vivre-card-databook-index-set-some-new-information/amp/

[weak arrow]

#manga message fed is 2 years late lol

[sturdy hawk]

oh lol

I mean I knew it but I thought it was weird it was being brought up by everyone suddenly, so I thought I missed something

[fathom matrix]

If you're going to be the shield that protects the celestial dragons, it'd make sense that you need strong haki of both types

Also this may sound dumb, but anyone else kinds suspicious why they'd be happy to just join back to the WG?

It might be the CP0 position did peak their interest and the idea of making Spandam a lacky must have been funny and tempting for Lucci

But do you think there might be an alteriro motive? OF COURSE they haven't turn a 180 and became anti-heroes and they're secret angents wanting to take them down

But either they're waiting for a chance of something or they get to be a part of CP0 as long as they get something in return

Hell, maybe Lucci decided he'd come back as long as they capture Robin.

Like, not just because it was his last mission as a CP9 member, but maybe he captures Robin, knowing Luffy might come after her again, and he gets to have a rematch. He gets to complete the mission he failed at and kill the guy who humiliated/hospitialised him

[plucky kiln]

To me CP9 really seemed to be a group of characters without anything in their head. I lost my respect in them after those seemingly cool people turned out to be government robots. like they have no will, their position is to follow ones orders. but the term slave doesnt match, because slaves would still be human. cp9 really was a weird bunch. thats why I dont like lucci. sure he has a cool design, and maybe the fight was cool, but his entire character building is just sad

[languid tartan]

Would be very very sick

[echo sandal]

Could Joyboy and sun God neka be the same person?

[pure raven]

No they were fugitives and i doubt it, if they did they would say it

[sand sail]

They were only fugitives for a little while, maybe a couple of weeks tops

[sinful helm]

for servants of the cd's too have observation and strenghtening haki yes but no conquerors

[pure raven]

? Ehhh

[digital epoch]

Is Kalifa still alive? Did Nami kill her on Enies Lobby?

Cause like, if memory serves, we don't see her after.

[tender cape]

She is alive

[grizzled fog]

She’s fine, all of cp9 escaped alive in their cover story

[digital epoch]

huh, noted

[smoky basin]

for no reason at all i think elbaf has a upside down tree
the top is hidden under the land and the roots are MASSIVE and loom over the entire land
my reasoning for this is that it's cool and maybe oda would need to send the story underground for a bit

[twilit dagger]

People are giving out free nitros in the voice channel boys

[signal raft]

Maybe act 4 will be kaido/rocks backstory and act 5 will be post wano

[pine delta]

lucci was the only one who had his own will tho: he just likes killing people

the rest just seem like very efficient government agents trained from birth.

[honest narwhal]

and then theres that one guy that just wants to die

[fallow knot]

Is there any possibility tht zoro is usimaru. Someone use his df ability to turn him a child and sent him to shimotauki village to save his life and to take revenge from kaidou.

[tender cape]

No

[robust sierra]

no

[grim pine]

hello

/rank

[copper frost]

Not the channel for that, go to #bots

[night karma]

What the hell

[brittle crystal]

Why I think Yamato won't be joining: she's already gone through Oden's journal and knows everything about things written in there like the Void Century, Will of D, maybe the One Piece at Laugh Tale. Doesn't feel right to have someone who has all that knowledge join the crew

[abstract pond]

"Oden's journal and knows everything about things written in there like the Void Century, Will of D, maybe the One Piece at Laugh Tale"

That's not what it's written in the journal. What it's written is that they learnt that in Laugh Tale.

[proud tree]

iamgine if the WG defeats one member of the grand fleet (like Bellamy for example) .. they would have Luffys vivrecard and could stalk him to Laughtale and beyond

Like Kanjuro used the Vivrecard to track Zou ...

[sturdy hound]

this is all valid, but what makes me wonder is why momo said that he must live after reading the journal, it's the same thing yamato told him. so i wonder what was written in there that we didnt see in the oden fb.
im sure the oden fb covered most of the contents of the journal, and oden def did not write the full void century or what the op is in there

might get it revealed by the end of wano

what momo read i mean

[slim mountain]

This is interesting

[woeful jewel]

Found this theory of the return of Rocks

https://twitter.com/zukudaking/status/1475950427631849473?t=MMPkRh5IpmkdZVAwVtBtQQ&s=19

ZUKU🧞‍♂️ (@zukudaking)

RETURN OF ROCKS/End Of Wano Super Theory:
A thread on the Final Villain of One Piece

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Twitter · Dec 28, 2021, 10:02 PM

[amber oar]

there's so much wrong with this theory but I don't have time to go into detail Quick summary:

• Chapter 0 was the buildup for the movie. Even if it's considered canon, it was just that. Chapter 0 even ends with Shiki and his scientist or something finding the island -which is NOT God Valley- to develop his plan.

• The whole point of Marineford was Luffy realizing he's not playing with children and he's got to become much stronger so he doesn't have to get his ass saved. Shanks showing up to do exactly that, precisely when Luffy is fighting as an equal with an Emperor, misses the entire point. Basically all the series post timeskip goes back to square one if that happens.

• The "tragedy at the end of act 3" was a misconception that was tied to another misconception (that kabuki always has 5 acts. It's not true, it can have 3-4 too), it's not a rule set in stone

This whole theory, a secret decades long plan in the shadows, the Big Bad from the Past™ who didn't quite die in That Battle from the Past™, revealing himself alive to set his Big Plan™, and the heroes having to face a bunch of legends restored to youth, sounds heavily based on the final arc of... I can't tell more, because it's other series spoilers, and I can't throw that here. But people will understand. And you know what, it would suck ass

EDIT later: In the end they cancelled the damn meeting . Rushed up the comment for nothing

[tired osprey]

I miss the old theories of the shadow in Udon being rocks

[abstract pond]

If Rocks turned to be alive it would be so lame xd

[robust sierra]

hopefully it's shiki

or Wang Zhi

[amber oar]

Another thing to comment. If Luffy were to need someone saving him, it would be much, much better if the help came from the Grand Fleet than from Shanks. The perception would be radically different. Shanks coming to help Luffy looks like daddy saving the child's ass again, and Luffy is already indebted to him. The Grand Fleet doing it, would be Luffy harvesting the result of all the people he helped and the friends he made. In a way it would be Luffy saving himself through his good actions.

[abstract pond]

I feel like Luffy will call the grand fleet after Wano when he hears about Sabo (my thought is that the WG want to execute him like Ace but this time is Luffy who will win.

[surreal oriole]

What do you guys think the chances of the Revos showing up at the end of this arc? Post kaidos defeat i think it's going to be total chaos with the BM pirates showing up plus the WG moving in to claim wano, is the timing right for the Revos to show up and secure wano from the WG taking advantage of the situation?

[amber oar]

The only reason the revos would have to show up in Wano, would be tracing the origin of the weapons they found in Dressrosa. Which is a legitimate idea tbh. But seems they have bigger issues to care about (namely Sabo and the Levely mission)

[gray creek]

The fleet showing up with Sai and Leo would be a perfect setup to get some extended flashback of the Revelry, bringing us and the SH’s up to speed on what really happened with Sabo

[amber oar]

btw, the guy who made that theory didn't take criticism well

[cursive coyote]

What do you guys think the 1037 spoilers are about? 🤔

[pure raven]

When are 1037 spoilers coming out?

[amber oar]

bear in mind official 1036 doesn't come this weekend, but the next. So enjoy the next 10 days
Also, this is not the place to ask that

[severe wedge]

I saw Luffy using awakening is that true

[quartz fjord]

Theory: Shanks is an opp

Shanks stopped the war because of the potential JoyBoys. Ace was killed and Luffy was dying. Koby could also be a candidate because of that sick plot armor

He stopped Kaido from interfering mainly by saying he found JoyBoy;could explain why Kaido made that remark when he knocked Luffy off

When Luffy becomes strong enough to return the StrawHat, Shanks will probably kidnap Luffy and take him to Laugh tale

It's a theory. Take it how you want

so what's yours?

Luffy

https://c.tenor.com/8XNZFtwJxscAAAAM/reverse-card-uno.gif

so did any other important character

No it's not. Are you simple in the head?

He could be worried about Luffy for the wrong reasons

[fossil socket]

Theory: Toki is still alive. They never showed her being killed or her being dead, it was just presumed that she was killed in the midst of everything that was going on. I think she travelled in time somewhere and she will appear once kaido is taken down

what she does when she comes back? no clue but she could hold lots of information as to what happened during the void century and potentially know who joyboy was

[abstract pond]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cas33_CIkmc

[sand sail]

She was shot dead in the middle of a crowd of people, including Kaido's own onlookers

[abstract pond]

She dead man, she was lying in a pool of her own blood

[sand sail]

We don't see that or a corpse, we just know the situation

[abstract pond]

Jump to 1:16. It's her blood flooding

[amber oar]

Momo mentions the villagers saw her die. Actually he contrasts that with the lack of evidence about Hiyori

[sand sail]

That's not a manga thing, that's also no real sign of death

[robust sierra]

rip toki the original moss head

[sand relic]

And Kinemon had his head caved in by the world's strongest man

Pound had a sword being swung at him mere inches away

Pell

[sand sail]

Yeah, Toki is neither a massive human nor a powerful samurai

You can stop listing things lol, none of that is relevant

Toki's death was actually confirmed even against the lack of them seeing her dying breath

And her death played an actual part in the plot in a major way

She also decided she wouldn't jump again, she's dead

[sand relic]

We know normal humans ain't normal in OP world. If Usopp can tank 4 tons to his head as far back as Alabasta then a few bullets to your general torso area while said person has an ability that literally flings you into an entirely different time period. I think it's okay for some people to think she alive

[sand sail]

It's really not. Not when her death has been confirmed repeatedly, and she resolved to not use her power again.

That's just wanting something that is the least likely possible thing to happen, she's dead as far as 100% of the story has been concerned so far and her death was meant to make an actual point

Beyond that, her death was confirmed by a crowd of onlookers and Kaido's men. How are they going to miss her vanishing into thin air?

This isn't like she was stuck in the burning castle and people just assumed she went down, she was shot repeatedly in front of witnesses and is a normal human

[sand sail]

Why?

It wouldn't make sense for it to be anyone else now that we know she's on Onigashima

Orochi was sitting there for ages, he's in the same place they chop his head off

He didn't go to the basement

And yeah, she switched from shedding tears about half an hour ago to looking the way she knew Orochi would fall for

[grizzled fog]

The guards are busy fighting a war

[sand sail]

It's not headcanon, the Scabbards were lying there since Luffy got on the rooftop. The rooftop fight lasted well over 30 minutes

He didn't go back to the same spot, he never moved from it in the first place

No, it doesn't lol

It's chaotic and everywhere and the Beast Pirates are not an organized force at all

It's the same reason it took so long to find the scabbards in general

When you're disorganized? Yeah, absolutely. This wasn't Big Mom's crew with perfect communication

Kaido's people are just thugs

Vigilance is a mindset that helps observation, yes

More alert for certain people in certain areas, sure. Given the entire conflict was on a whole other floor and they had to travel to even get to the scabbards, Hiyori would easily be able to slip in unnoticed

Just like Tama did

I'm not sure how you can say I'm wrong when the thing you're pushing was clearly not a problem

You just brought up the definition

I don't even know why I'm entertaining this still lmao

[grand walrus]

Is it possible wano was founded by pirates? I am curious about the kozuki crest, it looks like a skull and cross bones. (hardly relevant, but kozuki is a similar sounding word to kaizoku). Shimotsuki village was also said to be founded by pirates, which is also hardly relevant but just a small suggestion. Another reason that the shimotsuki crest has crossbones aesthetic is it could be some sort of representation of the triangulation method of finding the one piece (4 points forming an x to mark the treasure) Do you think there will be some in universe relevancy to the symbol of the skull and crossbones? (or at least the crossbones). To be fair, this could be an artistic choice by oda to fit in with the pirate theme of the show.

[robust sierra]

that's a nice observation

maybe it has something to do with zuneshas crime and how the minks are close to the kozuki, kozuki means shining moon and the minks transform seeing the full moon.

[modest skiff]

Rather than this, I think the first group of pirates were freedom fighters, associated with Wano, and the cross roads looking thing and the skull represent something we don't know/understand yet. It is possible it represents the glyphs to the one piece, but my spider senses tell me it represents something totally different

Wano has the same symbolism of 8 that other nations have shown and I think those 8 nations were all a part of the first pirate crew

[near osprey]

JoyBoy's Crew

[modest skiff]

yeah that's what i wrote about before. I think Joyboy formed the first pirate crew as a group of freedom fighters to fight back the CDs

One of the things that makes it feel particularly likely is the fact that Neptune has a tattoo of a wrench under his arm tattoo showing the 8 dots, which I think symbolizes a fishman was the shipwright of Joyboy's crew

[grand walrus]

i could totally see this.

[modest skiff]

If you'd like to read elaboration on this, here's where I wrote it #manga-theories message

[severe ice]

I read all the theory and some parts are quite coherent according story, the Last part is a huge possibility due to Kaido's respect to Lunarians. King is a beast pirate and a key for reaching Laugh Tale, I think that Glyphs were written by Lunarians in their language tho. For me that part makes sense!

[grand walrus]

Not saying this invalidates the theory, but the beast pirates were ordered to capture niko robin because she can read the poneglyphs. Either this shows that King specifically cannot read poneglyphs, or that kaido and king are keeping it a secret and pretending they need robin

[grand walrus]

While I agree with the broad ideas of this theory, there are a lot of specific story beats that are almost impossible to predict (you did mention that it was speculation for those parts)

[severe ice]

That argument is also valid Kaido wants to Robin, nevertheless if King would not know the ancient language how he knows about Joy Boy?

[sinful helm]

lmao so i saw some theory how bb is actually 3 brothers that the brother with the black hole df assorbs

and they get out while fighting others so it isnt 3 df's in one but each brother gets the one df

[viscid ledge]

That is a hella wack theory

Where did you see it. It makes more sense than Cerberus theory

[amber oar]

Sounds tempting but Marco pointed out his "strange body" he checked before Teach got the DF

Still, I agree, better than Cerberus

Marco was the crew's doctor, so he probably found out something

[viscid ledge]

Something strange about his body? You mean beside the belly that takes up 70% of his height?

[echo meteor]

blackbeard is immortal lol

thats why he can carry 2 devil fruits

[bold cloak]

luffy died

[bold cloak]

no he's trans

[amber oar]

I mean for OP standards that's almost normal

[pseudo lava]

Robin could kill him in a breeze

[sage wren]

based

[rapid fern]

I doubt Poneglyghs are actually prophecy. There are many fake ones though. Since we already saw a DF that send people to the future, why doesn’t an opposite DF exist?

The Poneglygh in Fishman Island said that Joy Boy has to say apologize to Fishman Island because he broke the promise not to protect the island. And the Sea Kings said that their lord once a Mermaid and the moment Shirahoshi was born, she became their lord. I suspect, Shirahoshi, the mermaid princess now will be sent to the past since she knew about Luffy’s promise and being an “Ancient” Weapon, I believe there’s only one Ancient Weapon named Poseidon, it’s Shirahoshi.

I suspect one more person to be sent to the past, it’s Caribou, the mud dude. He was the man that was there to listen that Shirahoshi is the ancient weapon. And for some freaking reason he also was there to help Luffy at Wano, the place that produced Poneglyghs. I don’t think this is a coincidence.

But I can’t really tell who would be the one that send them to the past. It’s all about how the Poneglyghs on Laugh Tale go.

Why do I suspect this? It’s because of Toki, y’all remember when Toki first meet Oden? She said that she always wanted to visit Wano, despite she’s from the past. I believe she heard epic story about Joy Boy from someone in the past and wanted to visit Wano because of it.

Poneglyghs ain’t prophecies but actual stories from Facts. It’s not destiny or anything bs like that for Luffy. Luffy’s adventure is literally a random journey and was poneglygh-ed just like that

Thinking about Ancient Weapons, why the hell 2 of them were belong to Fishmen?

[weak arrow]

What do you mean, "There are many fakes ones though."

Oda specifically specified Toki couldnt send anyone to the past as a way to stop the whole story from unraveling and creating plotholes, so i do not see him ever introducing such a mechanic. Wano clearly existed 800 years ago because the kozuki clan existed and wrote the poneglyphs.

Also fishmen only have 1 ancient weapon. Noah is not Pluton if that's what you're assuming there.

[rapid fern]

There were many Poneglyghs that served no purposes.

Toki sent herself to the future for what? Unless she really accidentally did that. Going back to the past would work if we had a specific DF for that. There are fruit actually replacing memory and fruit that can actually travel through time though.

Tom-san has Pluto, he’s a Fishman and Shirahoshi

[abstract pond]

Pluton is in Alabasta most likely

[rapid fern]

Pluton wasn’t built

[pure raven]

whos in favor of the ancient weapons are all people or living creatures theory

[abstract pond]

Correction: Tom nor Franky built it. Doesn't mean there is still there since the void century.

[abstract pond]

We know Pluton is a ship with blueprint so...

[rapid fern]

If it is, that also many of them out there, blueprint*

[solar knoll]

It might have been Noah

[abstract pond]

Noah is just a transport

[solar knoll]

How if the ancient weapons weren’t really weapons? But propaganda from 800 years ago when the WG took over.

[trail stirrup]

found it on youtube by memecream

[rapid fern]

Everything that has a destructive capability is weapon.

[solar knoll]

Lol that’s everything then. Some one can crash a boat into a city to become a weapon I can hit a person with a hot frying pan that’s a weapon.

[rapid fern]

Really come down to how people view it.

[shut copper]

[robust sierra]

man wth did he say

maybe luffy and roger said they'll be the one to throw a party for everyone on the planet

[plucky kiln]

I always thought it was about becoming the pirate king, but now I'm kinda sus

maybe we will hear them in a fight against kaido

[split glacier]

Defo wasn't becoming PK. That wasn't even a thing when Roger was around and doesn't make sense for it to be cut out when he's said it so many times.

[abstract pond]

How can be WG propaganda when the WG itself was spying for years on Water 7 to get the blueprints of the ancient weapon?

[amber oar]

WG so overpowered they can make a bunch of kilometers-long sea creatures obey the wimpiest mermaid in all the ocean, just for propaganda

[steel sinew]

@cyan berry can i discuss them here

[cyan berry]

No

You cannot discuss them anywhere

End of discussion

[steel sinew]

jesus bro

[whole geode]

we can discuss theories here correct?

[pure raven]

😐

Why are they fugitives there is literally no proof or indication in the entire storyline

[pure raven]

Fugitives are people who are in hiding from authority and trying to avoid arrest
The marines went after cp9 since they failed to do what they were told
Also who’s who went to prison for failure so it would make tons of sense for them to be fugitives

Nope. Who's who went to jail for letting a very important df get stolen. If your sense were to get applied in different places then sengoku is a fugitive for letting luffy get to ace. Them failing dont mean shit

If cp9 weren’t fugitives why did they leave enies lobby

[pure raven]

Cp9 and sengoku are hugely different

[proper ore]

but then they would have no use for a "loser"
why would they take in a "loser" and promote him to cp0

[pure raven]

Huh?

[pure raven]

Uh maybe. Just maybe. Becaus it was being obliterated by buster call? Idk

[pure raven]

Why would they be obliterated by a buster call if they aren’t fugitives, why would the marines chase after cp9 if they aren’t fugitives

[pure raven]

Just because someone failed defeating someone stronger than them doesnt mean they will get executed immediately. Garp failed to stop luffy didnt he?

[proper ore]

why would the wg (or who ever is in charge of cp) promote lucci a loser (who lost against luffy and failed the mission)

[pure raven]

Why are you comparing marines to government agents that had a task for a long time

[pure raven]

Lmao whatever you want man you're really lost

[pure raven]

Idk, possibly spandam

[pure raven]

Nevermind me im really dumb omg pardon my insolence

[proper ore]

o ya forgor abt that dumb bitch

[pure raven]

Also spandam literally blamed cp9 for the enies lobby attack, you think they would hunt cp9 just to give them a cookie?

It is possible that spandam persuaded the wg to invite them in since his plan probably failed and they were close to killing him, and only kaku and lucci accepted the offer

[proper ore]

you think lucci will have further role in the story ?

[pure raven]

Ehhh possibly yeah but it’s not too accurate

[proper ore]

i think he will

otherwise oda could just have the wg kill lucci then and there

for letting a rookie pirate emabrass them

[whole geode]

What if Lucci runs into Luffy again

[pure raven]

Ehh i think they fought the wg and got stronger to where spandam just got them back in

[heady parrot]

lucci will have more to do. literally no reason for oda to bring lucci back the way he did if he’s just gonna wander in the background for the last few hundred chapters

[pure raven]

Like spandam sent captains to commdores to rear admirals to even vice admirlas and they all failed

[proper ore]

lucci will proably lose easily at this point

unless he has advanced haki too

[proper ore]

yea

[whole geode]

what if he runs into him like by surprise in wano or Upcoming arcs

[pure raven]

I think he will do cp0 stuff until the wg is about to fall apart and he will betray last minute and reunite with cp9 agents, and possibly torture spandam to death

[heady parrot]

yeah i like the idea that previous enemies of luffy will help destroy the wg at the end

like doffy will take revenge on the celestial dragons cuz it seems fitting

honestly just let all of luffys previous enemies loose on mariejoa that’s what i want to see

[pure raven]

Although i am interested in kaku’s role since he seems like a nice guy

Or oda is portraying him as the only nice guy in the group

[haughty plinth]

Didn’t spandam get his spine broken by robin

[cyan berry]

Lucci will never betray the WG, he's been conditioned since childhood to belive that the CDs are Gods that deserve his undying loyalty, dude is too far in to change his ways now

[pure raven]

Lol what? Lucci isn’t loyal to the wg because it’s the wg it’s because he wants to kill people with no punishments

[cyan berry]

We literally see him call the CDs Gods when we see him at the Reverie

[pure raven]

Sure he holds certain justices since he was raised to be a agent but

[pure raven]

Because they are, the CDs are technically considered gods

[cyan berry]

Just because he gets a license to kill doesn't change his loyalties

[pure raven]

Not saying that at all, my original claim was if the wg is not gonna be there what’s the point of staying there

[odd lichen]

guys one of straw hats is cp0 spies. My guess is Jinbei because he is a former shichibukai and cp0 is familiar with him. One of the mask mentioned that who's who can't defeat Jinbei.

[pure raven]

The wg will obviously lose but when they are close to losing lucci might dip when IM is about to be beaten or is beaten

Because there is no point in staying there

[sand sail]

You've missed a good few cover stories

CP9 were fugitives

Because Spandam blamed them all for what happened at Enies Lobby. The marines set out to try to capture them, and they're all soundly beaten instead

I skipped a few because I didn't want to spam chat, but yeah, they were wanted men.

[pure raven]

And it’s not crazy to suggest they were fugitives for some months

[sand sail]

It probably wasn't that long since Lucci was up and about, but maybe sure

I figured it was maybe a couple of weeks tops imo

[pure raven]

Well since spandam had a plan to kill cp9 i thought the plan was sending commdores, rear admirals, and vice admirals separately to kill cp9, but it didn’t work, so he submit and bribed the gov to let cp9 in and it worked, but only kaku and lucci wanted in, and they got stronger through being chased

Since it was a 2 yr ts they could have gotten a few months to get stronger then get recruited back then prove to them they are cp0 worthy

or they were already put in cp0(this is more likely since spandam is in it)

[pure raven]

And, in your opinion, is it farfetched for lucci to betray the wg when they are losing heavily

Or maybe even lost

Because i would put to make a reflection back to enies lobby since the world gov left cp9 to die

So lucci and kaku should leave the world gov to die when they are at their weakest point and are about to lose

[sand sail]

I doubt they'd turn coat unless the Celestial Dragons had literally only them to rely on, but even then it's hard to say. It would have to be like a complete loss scenario, like worse than Orochi has with Fukurokujou.

But the plan for CP9 seemed to be just ordering marines to try to bring them in, it looked like they only sent one captain and a ship after them at first

[pure raven]

They even said they are not here to serve world gov for the purpose of serving it, it’s for blood, which makes sense since they are trained assassins from young age

[pure raven]

? Wdym complete loss scenario

Ohhh ok

That’s what i implied

[sand sail]

Well, Lucci is the one who wants the blood, no one else seems quite as homicidal as he is. But yeah, I can see them turning on the Celestial Dragons in that case, if nothing else they could even be the ones who end up full on slaughtering the group instead of letting them get captured and just deposed

[pure raven]

Yes

And taking spandam and torturing him to death

[sand sail]

Well, Spandam's in CP0 already lol

[pure raven]

Yeah but he’s weak so it’s pretty easy to grab him and knock him out

Then take him to cp9 and then torture him to death

[marble skiff]

I wonder what happened to the other cp9 folks

Did they retire like the baroque works people?

[half gulch]

If Sanji are a devil fruit what happens

He's genetically engineered. Would it kill him?

[mellow sapphire]

No, I don’t think so. He’s more human than his siblings but either way I think they could eat DFs too

[sand sail]

There's no reason he wouldn't be able to, genetic engineering doesn't hurt that

[sand sail]

But why take him to CP9? He's also got better connections in the government apparently

[pure raven]

Oh no you’re misunderstanding what i’m saying

I mean take him to the group to be killed not to rank him down

[sand sail]

No yeh, but why would they do that if he's been in CP0 for years now with them?

[mellow sapphire]

My question is how did Lucci get promoted

[pure raven]

Because they hate spandam and love killing people

[sand sail]

But he's already in there, and has been for years tho

[pure raven]

They could never kill him though since he’s the leader

[mellow sapphire]

Yeah Spandam has the strongest power in the world, nepotism

[sand sail]

Well they could've while they were fugitives, but they decided to use him to get higher up than him instead

[pure raven]

And his connections, now that the wg hypothetically be abolished they can take him to their lair and torture him to death

[mellow sapphire]

I wouldn’t be surprised if his father still held serious sway in the govt

[pure raven]

This is when the wg is abolished though

[sand sail]

Oh sure, if the Celestial Dragons get torn down then he's a dead man, Lucci hates weakness

[sand sail]

He does yeah, they both tried to plot to have CP9 killed

[mellow sapphire]

I hope we see canon Lucci vs Sabo someday

[pure raven]

I would rather see lucci vs who’s who

[delicate tapir]

I wonder if Lucci will turn on the world government when he learns the truth of the void century?

[pure raven]

No, he doesn’t care

[mellow sapphire]

Depends on if he would care

[delicate tapir]

/rank

[pure raven]

He is only grown to kill

[delicate tapir]

So he only wants to watch the world burn!

[robust sierra]

lucci doesn't hate weakness, he hates when soldiers who are supposed to serve, are weak or fail

[delicate tapir]

That makes sense for a government dog

[delicate tapir]

So he hates himself because he was too weak and failed last time

[mellow sapphire]

Well, a cat. I think what he wants is a world where evil is always snuffed out immediately

[delicate tapir]

Also, who do you think is in CP0?

[robust sierra]

I doubt he holds himself to the same rules

he didn't commit suicide after all

[mellow sapphire]

I think some of the higher ranking CP9 officers and some new guys. Like the mask fellas are people we don’t know, I think

[robust sierra]

he seems to justify his blood lust with twisted logic

[delicate tapir]

Lucci is in Wano

[pure raven]

Ye

[sinful helm]

I think not he is probably in Mariejois

[sinful helm]

Someone said this foreshadowed King in chapter 49

[plucky storm]

what are you guys’ thought on the “dragon used to be a celestial dragon” theory??

[modest skiff]

Do you have anything to add? What evidence? What are you referring to? This isn't really giving us anything to discuss

[sinful helm]

Dragon is still garps son in my eyes until proven otherwise with facts and i could see his wife Luffy's mother being a cd killed by the others for having a kid with dragon

[late token]

Like the idea of him being a former admiral more. If he were a celestial dragon then garp would also have to be one but he hates them

[desert hatch]

garps never called him his son, the marines just assumed cuz hes luffys dad. and garps always been ambiguous when talking about it so we dont really know

[late token]

What Else would he be other than his son?

[desert hatch]

son in law

[sand sail]

The Vivre Cards have him as Garp's son

So that'll be a fact till the series says otherwise

[late token]

But why would he have his Name then?

[late token]

Good

[desert hatch]

coulda married into it, just saying its a possibility given how garps talked about him

also called luffy specifically 'kid of my kid' not 'son of my son' and he always calls dragon 'luffys dad'

[sand sail]

The Vivre Cards have him as Garp's son

So that'll be a fact till the series says otherwise.

[desert hatch]

oh thanks, didnt see that u said that 3x already

great contribution

just putting it out there

[late token]

Kid of my kid kinda states that he is his kid doesnt it?

[sand sail]

Well twice, but yes, this fact that ends the argument would be a pretty decent contribution

Until the series says otherwise, that's how it is. When I say the vivre cards have him as Garp's son, it's not a listing, it's "Born to Garp"

[desert hatch]

not if his mom is garps daughter, but oda already said that his moms not important

[sand sail]

As in, he was born in Goa Kingdom to Garp

[late token]

Yeah

[desert hatch]

it doesnt say hes his son on the vivre card, and it says he was a citizen, not born there

even says theres a secret about his past

[late token]

Even if dragon were not garps son. What difference would it make? Is that Part of some greater theory?

[desert hatch]

maybe if theres another connection, i was just bringing it up

that guy kept denying it but he didnt have anything to back it up so i was just defending the point. playing devils advocate

[late token]

Meh wouldn‘t make sense to me from a writers perspective but if it turns out to be that way, hats off

[sand sail]

It does tho

#manga-theories message

[desert hatch]

maybe im looking at a different one then or a different translation

i was looking at the one on library of ohara

[manic kelp]

I was just thinking

What if Momonosuke isn't able to keep Onigashima from falling to the flower capital, then Luffy's devil fruit awakens and he turns Onigashima into rubber so the weapons caches won't explode?

[late token]

Possible. But we dont Even know if luffys awakening works like doflamingos where he can turn everything into rubber or more like kids or laws awakening

[manic kelp]

I can't really think of any other way it could work.

[late token]

Me neither but im sure oda has something surprising planned for luffys awakening

Probably tieing it in with the who is who story

[solar knoll]

Well it depends on context. You can use the blue print to prove that the WG used false propaganda. Also they sent CP9 mainly to capture Robin, it was mainly Spamdam who wanted the blue prints.

[dusk halo]

anything regarding with dragon or rocks i just ignore nowadays

[abstract pond]

Frankly speaking, what you just said makes no sense. The CP9 was spying on Iceburg in Water 7 for years and not for Nico Robin. If the blue print is a prove against the WG why is Spandam so worried that Franky burnt them?
The blueprint was kept safe for generations. It's 100% the ancient weapon.

[severe quest]

Gol D. Roger is still alive

[solar knoll]

I wonder if the Admirals are based on the zodiacs

And if there are hidden members in the CP0 which are admiral level

[severe quest]

Where do u get zodiacs from

[solar knoll]

Brown pig
Pink Rabbit
Red Dog
Green Bull
Blue Pheasant
Yellow Monkey
Purple Tiger

5 missing Zodiacs
Rat
Snake
Horse
Dragon
Sheep

[severe quest]

Bro wtl wht is a yellow monkey

[solar knoll]

Kizaru is yellow monkey

[severe quest]

Oh

[weak arrow]

@severe quest stop shitposting, thank you.

[severe quest]

Okay.

[dusk halo]

theyre based off of the animals in momotaro

[solar knoll]

Momotaro doesn’t have tiger, bulls, rabbit and pigs

[dusk halo]

i thoguht you were talking about the OG admirals

[solar knoll]

I meant in general

[pure raven]

I got a long Blackbeard theory do y’all wanna hear it

[weak arrow]

yeah just type it out for us

[pure raven]

Ok I will it’s my own personal theory that I thought of on my own I’m proud of it - it’s in my notes I’ll copy and paste it

➡️Blackbeard has a special paramecia devil fruit … the advanced split personality fruit. Before you say his fruit is Yami, hear me out. This devil fruit allows Blackbeard to have 3 split personality’s but since it’s one piece there’s gotta be a twist to it. Blackbeard isn’t one person; he’s 3 and that is why he is able to acquire multiple fruits; he has 3 times as many organs than anyone else. That is why he is 3 times luffy a size too. Here is some more evidence: shanks and buggy we’re talking about how Blackbeard never sleeps. That is because the other personality’s take over. They each get 8 hours to be in charge of the body and they rest when it’s not their turn. Blackbeards flag also has 3 skulls, one for each personality. He also carry’s 3 identical pistols. No normal persona would do that it’s strange. It seems Zoro already knew Blackbeard was multiple people when he said this: (look at the image). Blackbeard has 3 fruits now. Split-Dark-Quake.

[weak arrow]

There is no image, although i know exactly which image you're referring to

[pure raven]

Oh damn right I forgot to change that

nice theory

Thanks

I can’t post the photo even if I wanted to

[weak arrow]

I can’t outright disprove the theory although there are a lot of points that can be counterargued.

#1 his size would be completely irrelevant to this. People in one piece are all shapes and sizes naturally. What you should mention is how Marco says he has a weird body in regards to this point, not his body size.

Zoro carries 3 swords, no reason a man can’t carry 3 guns. Also I’m pretty sure that’s just a reference to real life Blackbeard and how pirates carried multiple guns due to limited ammo and reload time.

As for the image in question, I interpret it that Luffy and Zoro figured out the other thugs around town were apart of his crew, aka burgess and doc Q.

Certainly better than any hippo, octopus, kraken, Cerberus, and 3 people with 2 people using the yami yami to hide instead Blackbeard theories.

I like it overall 🙂

[pure raven]

Thanks you have a lot of points tho I might have to edit it a little

[halcyon talon]

@pure raven could you say which photo you're talking about

[weak arrow]

it's the page where zoro and luffy say "Not him, them" as they walk away from blackbeard

[pure raven]

How

[weak arrow]

!pics

[lone hedge]

Get a role (pirate/revo/marine/civilian) in #old-role-info to be able to post pictures!

[weak arrow]

read the command, not use it

[pure raven]

Oh

Yay

[pure raven]

any 1037 predictions?

[ruby depot]

Yeah blackbeard carryingrum probably got sent in time like tikio or is like the mermaid princess powers if she has powers that can be passed through time most likely blackbeard and all the will of d users do to he might of just unlock being aware

If you unlock a power wasn’t the power always with you just dormant

[torpid mist]

Luffy and zoro are just super pronoun aware. Good on them for respecting their identity

[wild veldt]

lol, what scans are these even

[hollow cloud]

so everyone thinks we're going to Elbaf next right

[solar knoll]

I think we are going to new marineford next

[crimson birch]

elbaf is probbaly shanks teritory

shanks is half viking half pirate

[soft locust]

I agree, there's only 2 scenario's with sabo based on people's reactions to the news: he's either already dead or captured and to be executed

And I really doubt Oda would just kill him off screen, so I assume he's gonna be executed like Ace

And I doubt Luffy would like to see that happen lol

[crimson birch]

what happens if big mom and kaido supports luffy

[soft locust]

WG destruction?

[crimson birch]

yes

[soft locust]

Except it'll never happen, big mom especially :p

[crimson birch]

moost probably kaido supports luufy cause he is joy boy

[heady parrot]

Wano (or post-wano) will end on chapter 1059 which will release on August 5th in Japan. This will make wano exactly 150 chapters long (909-1059). Wano/Post-Wano will end with Luffy and Shanks’ reunion as the final double spread page. The following day (August 6th), One Piece Film Red will release in theaters; just in time for Shanks’ return in the manga the day before. Depending on the outcome of Reverie and the situation with Sabo, which is still largely unknown, we will be a few chapters into either a Mariejoa infiltration or Elbaf arc by the end of 2022. It’s hard to tell where Oda is going after Wano, but I hope it’s Elbaf.

[mellow sapphire]

Kaido will like Luffy by the end of Wano but I don't think he'll ally with him

Because he is destroying his evil pirate empire

[heady parrot]

Kaido respects strength above all. If Luffy proves he’s greater than Kaido in power and will then he will concede and will respect luffy.

[mellow sapphire]

Still I think the Kaido4nakama memes are hilarious

This is in funny theory territory but what kind of "secret powers" do you think other Zoans have?

IE Chopper's various forms, Kaku's pasta machine, Queen's Brachio-snakeus

[shut finch]

The human human fruit has to have some wild variations

[mellow sapphire]

I like to think Zoans have some kind of "mind over matter" element of their powers

[heady parrot]

They can’t be friends but Kaido may sacrifice himself for yamato and the strawhats after learning that Luffy truly is joyboy (paralleling the moment whitebeard realized luffy was “the one roger was waiting for” and having the wb pirates protect him) and kaido may get the glorious death he wanted helping bring joyboy closer to the dawn of a new world.

[mellow sapphire]

idk if this is likely but I'd love for Kaido to have a "die standing up" moment like Whitebeard

[shut finch]

I think it’d be fun to see more models of the hito hito no mi

[heady parrot]

if anybody dies this arc besides orochi it’ll be kaido

[mellow sapphire]

And yeah it would be fun, like an ancient human fruit

[soft locust]

That brings up a point that I've been curious about lately

Just what does it take to kill Orochi? Beheading him in human form wasn't enough, nor was beheading all his heads in his hydra form (I forget the actual name of the fruit)

[lunar violet]

probably the death of orochi and luffy vs kaido

Btw did oda really state that theres a lurking legend in wano??

[heady parrot]

Sanji and Usopp will both get conquerors haki, yamato will join, and the strawhat crew will surpass even the Rocks Pirates in the amount of conquerors Luffy leads. On top of that, each conqueror will get titles that reflect their kingly ambitions. We’ve already seen this with Zoro becoming the “King of Hell” and Usopp’s (very fittingly) premature declaration of godhood with the title “God Usopp”. Sanji will become the “King of Hearts” which is foreshadowed by his time on Kambakka island, the heartlessness of the germa, and how important passion/his emotions are to his power. Yamato’s epithet of “Oni Princess” is already quite fitting as a title for a conqueror but i wouldn’t be surprised if we see a title change too.

To further the Usopp point, his reputation almost always precedes his actions. He claims to have thousands of followers and eventually he does. He claims to have conquerors on more than one occasion and I believe he will. You know what else Usopp claimed? That he was no longer a part of the “weakling trio” with nami and chopper. Of course, this turned out to be untrue at the time since everyone else had gotten much stronger as well, but I believe this to also be a moment of Usopp manifesting his own future through words. Just like Luffy somehow turned the four emperors into five emperors, usopp (and yamato) will turn the monster trio into a quintet of conquerors.

[spice berry]

Peeps are obsessed with Sanji getting Conquerors

[heady parrot]

don’t @ me when it happens ¯_(ツ)_/¯ he’s on the cover of volume 100 and everyone else on that cover is a confirmed conqueror. luffy is meant to surpass not just roger, but rocks as well if he intends to change the whole world. and he’d need that many people with the wills of conquerors under his command in order to do so. i just can’t see luffys crew having less confirmed conquerors users than rocks’ crew by EoS assuming Rocks has conquerors which would be real weird if he didn’t.

[keen ridge]

How will luffy beat Kaido?

[spice berry]

Idk on what basis you're saying Luffy will need more conquerors than Rocks and Roger to change the world. Too many conquerors in a single crew is not stable at all.

[heady parrot]

it wasn’t stable for rocks for the same reason it will be stable for luffy and the exact reason luffys crew of conquerors will be able to surpass rocks. that reason is friendship and trust. the strawhats trust each other with their lives. luffy doesn’t just command power like rocks did, he unifies it. mihawk said luffys greatest strength was his ability to make allies wherever he goes. the dynamic on the rocks crew was more than likely extremely different from the dynamic the strawhats have and i think that difference is the key to what will put the strawhat crew above all others that have ever existed.

[polar bison]

punches and kicks

[rustic granite]

Makes sense

[grizzled fog]

Why not

[solar knoll]

Luffy will beat a already weakened Kaido no doubt

[muted ember]

Nah he's going to lose again

[pallid ibex]

Imagine 💀

[solar knoll]

If he loses again then Zoro and Sanji will have to take over as Captain

Kaido already fought the 9 scabbards

Kid, Law, Zoro, Killer and Luffy

And Yamato

Got bitten by Momo

And is fighting luffy again.

I would say there’s enough handicap at this point to already prove he’s the strongest

But TBH I would like to see a combined attack by Luffy, Zoro and Sanji

Ifrit Roc Cannon

[ocean island]

Luffy is not losing again. Oda said that Wano is coming to an end and he hopes he can draw it well.

[muted ember]

Whitebeard fought all 3 admirals plus more while getting stabbed and shot, Kaido's not even close to that

[split glacier]

Him "fighting" all 3 is a stretch.

[ocean island]

He also said pay attention to luffy which means luffy is going to tap into a new form i guess.

[pallid ibex]

Would be dope. Just hope to see a lot more from big mom considering she’s comparable to kaido. Her feats in oningashima don’t even compare to kaidos rn. The only thing I’d say is kroom is one of the most damaging attacks to a yonko so far in onigashima.

[pallid ibex]

Fax. He only really “fought” akainu

[solar knoll]

Hey hey come on lol he barely fought Kizaru or Aokiji it was mostly him vs Akainu

[muted ember]

All 3 attacked him and he was defending himself, that's fighting

[split glacier]

The reach on that one lol

[muted ember]

The reach is saying he didn't fight them when he clearly did

[solar knoll]

Mate yes they did engage. But definitely not the same like how Kaido engaged with the 9 scabbards , 5 pirates and Yamato

That’s a stretch

[split glacier]

Any engagement = Full fight apparently

[solar knoll]

Man when Aokiji tried to freeze WB he couldn’t because he couldn’t freeze vibrations

And Kizaru pretty much didn’t touch WB

It was mainly Akainu and Squall + fodder

Untill BB and gang showed up

[muted ember]

I didn't say full fight that's not even a reach its just putting words in my mouth

[solar knoll]

That’s why it’s not a fair comparison

[muted ember]

It is a fair comparison Whitebeard was fighting a whole army attacking him, way more than 9 dudes

And the Scabbards didn't even last that long, its possible the war lasted longer

[solar knoll]

Man an army wouldn’t even scratch Kaido

Only the top fighters have a chance of even piercing his tough skin

He literally had all the best fighters of the army fight him

Compare that to fodder I say Kaido had it more

[muted ember]

The scabbards aren't stronger than what Whitebeard faced and they probably didn't last as long either, so he's done more than Kaido so far

[solar knoll]

They were definitely all Jack’s level

lol that’s pretty much stronger than all the fodder WB faced

Untill BB came

[muted ember]

I don't think the Scabbards are Jack's level so we can just agree to disagree on that one

Odeb is stronger than 9 Jacks combined?

[solar knoll]

Lol Ashura matched Jack.
Inu and Neko matched Jack even before sulking

Sulong

And you had the rest who were not far behind

[muted ember]

Inu and Neko lost an arm and leg, it took both sulongs to beat Jack after he already fought an army of them

[solar knoll]

Lol for sure

[solar knoll]

They lost to poison not jack

[muted ember]

That's only 3 out of 9, if I give u Inu and Neko

[languid tartan]

Because he used poison-gas? And it was stated in the manga that without it, jack wouldn't have been able to torture them as he did.

[solar knoll]

Even if it’s just 3

You still have 5 others kid law Zoro luffy and Yamato who is stronger than Jack

Even killer is probably stronger than Jack

[muted ember]

It still doesn't equal up to what Whitebeard faced imo

Especially since he had another Yonko helping him against the supernova

[stark path]

Sup guys happy holidays and new year, hope yall having a great time. A wild theory just hit my head, and it's that Oda purposely set up Law to be one of BM's opponents. Let's say mother Carmel was physically present within BM and Law has the ability to extract mother Carmel out of BM and BM returns to normal, wouldnt that make a lot of sense? Like mother Carmel from what little we've seen from her in the flashback resembles a lot of what BM is now except for that huge appetite, and when BM lost her memory at Wano we could see a glimpse of what she was before she ate mother Carmel? I think this makes a lot of sense personally. Ofc there are some potential stuff that throw it out of the window like if mother Carmel was a soul and there's no way for Law to extract a soul out of a body, but I'm curious what do you guys think

[rustic granite]

Interesting,but I'd prefer the Battle of Trafalgar theory

[heavy ocean]

Thought it was strange when Big Mom ate everyone, there wasn't a single drop of blood on site

[pure raven]

garp is the leader of sword

[long birch]

👍

[echo marlin]

Theory: bb is at whole cake island while big moms off at wano to kill her children

[split glacier]

Isn't that just the fan chapter?

[sinful helm]

he said he is gonna take something before the wg takes it its possible he meant either puding or robin for reading poneglyhps

[feral rock]

zoro will get lost again during his fight with king for the rest of the series and then at the end we just see him chilling on laughtale

[echo marlin]

Theory: will of D means dying with a smile

[muted ember]

That's not a theory unless you're saying that's actually what the "D" stands for

[echo marlin]

I’m sorry 😢

[echo marlin]

Yes I am

[merry mulch]

I feel like the will of the D is more about making a ruckus in the one piece world, especially doing something against the world government, as Corozan explained the will of the D is the enemies of the celestial dragons. And some caractgers with D In their fx blackbeard doesn't smile in the face of death, like luffy and Roger and some other characthers.

[echo marlin]

Ah

I think the D means a smile because gol D roger, Portas D ace both died with a smile

But yk this theory is flawed, not enough evidence

[feral rock]

the meaning of D changed with luffy it now stands for Delay bc of the amount of times luffy has delayed the one piece by ignoring his log pose

[tawny charm]

Hey everybody I had a crazy theory: Luffy is the Sun God, I mean his reincarnation, and he will indeed be the one responsible for the destruction of Fishman Island as Sharley has predicted. How will that happen? Luffy will indirectly destroy Fishman Island after destroying Mariejois and the Red Line, which lies directly above it. This will also be the time where he will free all the Fishman and let them all go to the surface, which is their dream. What do you think?

[echo marlin]

Theory: roger paid the guy to ask about his treasure

[fallow knot]

I think luffy will destroy fishman island bcoz of sunlight eve tree

I think sunlight eve has some connection with mariejois national treasure and imu. And luffy will destroy it.

[night jacinth]

There's a related theory that treasure trees such as Eve & supposedly Adam is where the devil fruits come from. To add to that, another theory is that celestial dragons wear bubbles & "space suits" to keep them young, especially since down at Fishman Island King Neptune said something along the lines of "The Sun tree Eve brings sunlight & oxygen." The oxygen at the bottom of the see seems weird... Though, this one could be wrong since they've been seen without them in Mariejois.

[night jacinth]

I think it stands for "Don," just speculation ofc. For example "Don Quixote Doflamingo," ofc I could be wrong.

[fallow knot]

I know tht

[night jacinth]

it seems weird that not only would a tree bring sunlight but also oxygen

to the BOTTOM of the sea

but ofc since Mariejois is located in the CENTER of the world, and Fishman Island is directly below it, there could just be a hole or some sort of mirror atop the red line.

[fallow knot]

Ii think pretime skip when brook was sent to a certain island by kuma. The people were doing the ritual thing to bring a satan soul. I think something like tht happening in mariejois tht also tells why people r disappearing from the great bridge.

[night jacinth]

I'm not fully caught up with the anime or manga, what's the 'great bridge'?

Tequila Wolf?

[night jacinth]

Considering they were "slaves," they could've just escaped.

Or more likely, killed. By accident

[fallow knot]

I don't think . Even we never heard of C. D's slaves got freed

[night jacinth]

Oh, also seeing as how the Revolutionaries took action against the bridge, they could also have been sneaking out the slaves.

[fallow knot]

Maybe they r building it to stop sea routes. So there will not be any pirates in future and there will not be a next joyboy.

[night jacinth]

seems odd that they haven't abandoned the project even after 800 years

although the time period would support your theory

[fallow knot]

Yeah anyway in one or two months we all will know about one piece. 😂

[night jacinth]

according to oda one piece will end in the next 5 years

[fallow knot]

Yes but he said in wano people will get to know about one piece I guess

But it depends on how long wano goes from now on

[night jacinth]

I don't read manga but I heard the manga is always somewhere around a year ahead of anime

[fallow knot]

Yes

[night jacinth]

Do you read manga?

[plucky kiln]

this is the manga theories channel
lol

[night jacinth]

😅

[peak cape]

It could just be a way of getting rid of people the WG doesn't like by making them engage in an impossible task that will probably kill them

[night jacinth]

Reminds me of John Wick

[peak cape]

How? Its been a while since I've seen John Wick

[night jacinth]

John Wick was given an impossible task in exchange for leaving the assassin business, needless to say; he did it.

[peak cape]

Ah yeah that's the vibe I get from the bridge

[night jacinth]

Not the bridge, the "impossible task" reminded me of it.

Though, I suppose you are right.

But seriously, 800 years seems a bit too much even for the WG

[hollow cloud]

joy boy will release the rumbling

[velvet edge]

@hollow cloud please no details or comparisons of other series here

[plucky kiln]

Lets go

[fathom matrix]

Do you think miss golden week's paint has chemicals/ingredients that make people do what she wants. Like Luffy becomes calm, attacks a red spot, that dinosaur helps or those marines bretray Hina, only because they're smelling/touching the chemicals of those paints?

Like people are trying to wrap their heads around how a non devil fruit power is so strong like that, but I think it may be tied to chemicals and possible pheramones that cause entities to act a certain way

[heady parrot]

SBS Volume 23

Her powers fall in the same category of pseudo science / supernatural powers people like Lafitte and Django have

[fathom matrix]

I C

Though, it's kinda odd when they're painted on people's backs and they can't see them

[heady parrot]

the world of one piece has its own weird physics and natural laws that don’t align with our own. words and willpower have physical affects on the world almost like magic so abilities like hypnotism and other things from our world that would be considered supernatural to us are natural to them technically.

[ancient vault]

We dont know if Lafitte has pseudo science powers or if its due to a DF

Infact judging by the wings its possible he has a siren fruit meaning his hypnosis powers come from the DF

[heady parrot]

true but occam’s razor would lean towards it just being natural hypnosis since that’s a proven ability in the world.

but i would love to be wrong because i prefer when powers are df based ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[peak cape]

Don't ninjas also have magic powers in OP as well

[heady parrot]

and minks can magically generate electricity. if oda can imagine it, it can exist in op.

[peak cape]

Yeah. Maybe the magical powers existed before DFs and that's what inspired whoever created DFs if they were created

[near osprey]

Devil Fruits could be the soul of someone being passed on as well.

[dusk halo]

what is lafittes power

[near osprey]

Maybe that's how people awaken their Devil Fruits, once they learned everything the original wielder of that ability achieved they unlock a whole new level.

Or it's Haki related and once that DF gets enough Haki the genes of the user mutate.

Can't wait till Oda gets into how it's achieved.

What certain criteria does a user have to meet to evolve their devil fruit

Maybe we'll find out when Luffy does it.

[heady parrot]

just referring to his ability to hypnotize. someone else pointed out that there’s a chance lafittes hypnotism could be due to a devil fruit ability we aren’t aware of yet or it could just be like django’s hypnotism which was just his natural ability. making hypnotism a real attainable power in the one piece world.

[clever pebble]

what do you guys think about that black thing ? A youtuber said it's Adam Tree which can grow DF
similar to Eve Tree at Fishman Island which produce Logia DF

[sand sail]

The Adam Tree doesn't grow devil fruits, and that wouldn't be it

The Adam tree is one that got super hard and durable from being in a war torn environment of some kind

[crimson birch]

Is shanks territory elbaf?

And may be he has last poneglyph

[fathom matrix]

I like to think shanks creates territories to protect people but he doesn't have a base of oporations

Like, with Whitebeard, his ship is his main place

Heck, he might not have a ponoglyph.

I can imagine one of the strawhats meeting him, asking "where's the last road ponoglyph" and shanks giving a dead eyed stare, looking serious, shrugs his shoulder with his hand up going "Idunno"

Like he's super genuine and they're making up super serious reasons why he's probably making it up, but he legit doesn't know

[crimson birch]

Genuine??

He has ties with WG don't forget that

[midnight egret]

Anyone all caught up in the manga ? I don't want to spoil anything or would someone like to discuss with me thru message ?

[viscid anvil]

hey guys, I think the full form of D is devil. Think about it, the sworn enemy of god is the devil right?

So It is Monkey Devil Luffy

[viscid anvil]

I kinda feel the last road poneglyph is actually destroyed, but since the straw hats have 3 of 4, they get a basic idea of where it is, and check out all the possible islands

[mellow sapphire]

I think Devil is pretty likely, yeah. I also have a feeling that the D clan may have been evil at some point and the "will of D" may not be a good thing

Also as for Shanks's allegiances I think the reason he's allowed free reign is due to his position in the New World. The Marines have much less reach there and Shanks is one of the few non-antagonistic New World pirates

[viscid anvil]

One more thing I think D might be is 'destiny'.

[mellow sapphire]

It'll be the Will of David, the king of Israel. Luffy will reclaim the holy land

[viscid anvil]

tf

[barren thistle]

Holy Music Starts

[mellow sapphire]

One Piece is a biblical epic

[patent sail]

It could be since the tree is said to have been in a nation always at war which fits the fact that the giants are a warrior race.

Oda like to play with real life mythologies. And Elbaph, a Viking island, having a big tree being very similar to Yggdrasil is no coincidence imo.

[crimson birch]

sup

[viscid anvil]

Lol, imagine the tree having 9 portals to different places.

[grand flame]

Where i can see theory about new form luffy?

[mellow sapphire]

idk I just think Tiger Man is coming

Because Dragons and Tigers are natural enemies

My guess is that'll be a Gear 4th form that uses conqueror's coating

[sage hamlet]

This year a new form of luffy might come, reason: Oda-sensei's message said hope i can draw IT well while talking about luffy, if it was luffy specifically he was talking about, he would have said him HE but he said IT which makes him hint it to us

[viscid anvil]

I sooo hope for a new form of luffy

One theory is that it might be a giant, like he can turn into one

[halcyon tusk]

it would require him to use an ungodly amount of armament haki to make his body hold that massive form if he did cause rubber does in fact stretch and can be formed into different shapes however it can’t hold that shape on its own without assistance to keep it from returning to its original mold. but it is possible for him to do it.

[viscid anvil]

what if conqueror's haki can hold in things the same way it can destroy it from within. This might happen

[halcyon tusk]

wdym exactly? elaborate please

are you saying what if Conqueror’s Haki could destroy the limiters within luffy’s body? essentially conquering himself. if so then i say it absolutely can. it stands to reason that it should definitely work in that way same as it works to overwhelm nearly everything else that exists.

[viscid anvil]

yeh something like that. we don't know a lot about conqueror's haki and its maximum capacity. anything can happen next

[ancient vault]

Pinned theories

[grand flame]

@ancient vault thanks

[halcyon tusk]

yur right and it adds to the existing theory that Roger in fact did cause the seas to swell and sink shiki’s fleet. having no doubt. that’s true strength which can even compel the world itself to adhere to one’s will.

[ancient vault]

Giants are weak. Why would he turn into a giant

[halcyon tusk]

bigg faxs

seen more giants get ko’d in one blow than not

[viscid anvil]

we only know of a few giants

[viscid anvil]

they might be weak rn but we still have to see elbaf and wait for that arc to play out

And a giant that can use armament haki, can stretch, it has to be op

[halcyon tusk]

if things don’t begin to move along faster soon then there’s a chance elbaf could have to be cut out

i’d hate it but it could happen

[viscid anvil]

that would be sad

[abstract pond]

I'm the only one who doesn't want to see a Elbaf arc at all?

[viscid anvil]

wano arc is probably going to take all year

[halcyon tusk]

must not be a big ussop fan then

[viscid anvil]

lol

[amber oar]

I expect a Zou type of arc tbh

[abstract pond]

Usopp is cool, definitely one of my top 11 straw hats

[viscid anvil]

@amber oar it is already over

but the elephant might come again

[amber oar]

...Huh? I said I think Elbaf is going to be similar to Zou, a short transitional arc.

[viscid anvil]

i don't think so, it might be under Shanks' control

ohhhhh

[halcyon tusk]

i’m expecting the straw hats to arrive at elbaf to find it destroyed. the result of the Red Hair Pirates fending off Blackbeard and his Commanders. which they fail at

[ancient vault]

Idk I doubt giants will be any relevant strong. Lokis gonna be a joke villain

[ancient vault]

Zou is to short. Its probably around 40 to 50 chapters

Hopefully its a character based arc for usopp

[crimson birch]

Bro ia tiger man confimed

[halcyon tusk]

speculation at this point

[abstract pond]

Elbaf just feels so uninteresting at this point. There are many things more interesting happening in OP

[ancient vault]

Buca isnt wrong tbh

Idrc about the elbaf giants. Im just interested in usopp finally getting more screentime hopefully.

[halcyon tusk]

which is why it’s better for them to find it already decimated by blackbeard.

[ancient vault]

And maybe whether that giant tree has any relevance to the story

[viscid anvil]

rn, I feel like if there isn't an antagonist stronger than luffy, or a new ally he gains, it is probably going to be filler

[ancient vault]

Lmao where did u get that idea from

All I hope is for Elbaf to be a usopp centrist arc thats relatively short.

Tho I dont think its impossible for Shanks to appear in Elbaf. Would make the arc a bit more interesting at least

[pure raven]

Elbaf= zou or archipelago?arc length suitable with all the earth shattering event happening around the world
Even better something similar to amazon lily arc

[low swallow]

Archipelago was short but sweet

[abstract pond]

Archipelago?

[halcyon tusk]

i just thought about what’s next from the pov of how i would go about handling a location that was mentioned hella far back and built up to all this time while also bringing Ussop’’s character arc full circle. battling blackbeard’s commanders to avenge elbaf as well as prove himself to be a brave warrior of the sea y surpassing the infamy of his father by doing what he could not.

[low swallow]

Saobody

Usopps opponent is big mom.

[halcyon tusk]

linlin gets washed by ussop bro are you kidding

[viscid anvil]

I would love it if that happend, Usopp barely gets recognition. It all goes to the monster trio(can't really complain though, I love the monster trio)

[low swallow]

Unironically. It won’t be a battle or duel or 1v1 fight like that, but Usopp is gonna have to stall/confront/stand up to BM at some point

[pure raven]

Even a little bit of fear can lead to his death

[low swallow]

Exactly

Oda loves his grand showcases

[pure raven]

The only possible contender of bm are zoro sanji and jinbe. And brook and possibly robin

[low swallow]

Imagine thinking Usopp being a brave man is never gonna happen. You might as well think Zoro will never be the WSS, or Luffy won’t be Pk

At some point Usopp is gonna have to show a moment of resolve and BM is a perfect opportunity

[viscid anvil]

have u guys not read the manga, spoiler alert! ||Kid and Law are taking care of her while luffy takes on Kaido||

[amber oar]

that adds to the challenge right? Usopp of all people stalling Big Mom is exactly what would lead to an epic narrative

[amber oar]

this channel operates under the assumption that you're up to date in the manga, no need to use spoiler tags

[viscid anvil]

That would probably get even more criticism than luffy beating kaido

[pure raven]

I m Talking from sh crew

[low swallow]

I’m assuming BM wins that, although t following the trend, she very well may lose

[halcyon tusk]

by the EoS every Straw Hat should be able to stand up to the likes of any Emperor. maybe not necessarily win against them but they should be able to hold them off if need be.

[amber oar]

who cares about whatever shit powerscalers will cry about. Certainly not Oda

Also we're talking about Usopp standing up to Big Mom, not beating her

[low swallow]

How Usopp is perfectly capable of stalling BM. Franky, Robin/Jimbei, Usopp/Chopper have all stalled her in this very arc. He’ll just do it on a grander scale

[pure raven]

Well the biggest defeat here could be the bm simply washing floor of ussops blood if we assume 1v1 direct confrontation even for short time

[low swallow]

Timing is key in this

Okay here’s the thing:

[halcyon tusk]

only hope big mom has of making off of wano is if katakuri shows up to see to it himself. he’d be able to figure out a way to get her out of there since she won’t retreat

[low swallow]

Do you think Luffy will be the PK?

[viscid anvil]

Well speaking of usopp, one way he could power up significantly is combining his seeds with precision and timing

[low swallow]

do you think Zoro will be the WSS?

[viscid anvil]

like combos and stuff with the bombs

[low swallow]

If you do then at some point, you should understand that Usopp will become a brave man of the sea

[pure raven]

He did that alreasy and it didnt do a singke bit of damage to bm

[low swallow]

Now, personally I think Usopp achieves his goal before both Luffy and Zoro

And we are already at the final stages

[amber oar]

according to powerscaler logic, maybe. Oda doesn't operate under the powerscaling logic, however

[low swallow]

So a confrontation with BM will be a perfect segue into Usopp’s goal kicking in

[viscid anvil]

Then the only instant power up would be a new catapult, imagine if it were something like braccio tank

[viscid anvil]

Or he might get killed like that, after all Part 3 is supposed to have a big tragedy

[low swallow]

Oda does consider power scaling, just not to the extent we do

[low swallow]

Okay, I mean last chapter, he was the one talking about how he clings to life at the extent of cowardice, so maybe Oda can engineer something like that to make him die a brave man.

[amber oar]

of course there's a limit on what's believable for the series, but Oda is much more about epic underdog stories. Besides, nobody is talking about Usopp soloing Big Mom, but rather about having a bravery test against her.

[low swallow]

Exactly, this is true

[pure raven]

Well we saw that in anime and it didnt do any damage dont know whether it was cannon(in manga ) or not

[spice berry]

Like maybe standing up to BM'S df?

[low swallow]

That is a possibility

[amber oar]

Exacty. Big Mom trying to take his soul and him resisting, like Jinbe did.

Jinbe or the monster trio doing it is expected, Usopp managing to resist would make good narrative

[low swallow]

A perfect example of a bravery test

There are many ways it could go, but Usopp confronting BM doesn’t have to be some duel

Just a showcase of bravery is fine. And the way BM has been portrayed there are many ways to do this

And it’s not like this underdog moment is unheard of in one piece. Freaking Coby told Akainu to end the war

[low swallow]

BM already has a getaway ship coming up to Wano.

If that’s the problem, she is most likely to not leave Wano, but it’s not impossible

[viscid anvil]

We also have to consider the fact that the marines have plans of annexing Wano

[halcyon tusk]

they ain’t making it soon enough to make any difference in any fighting. marco told them that things will be different by the time they make it into Wano

[low swallow]

Exactly they don’t have to make a difference, just get her from point A to point B

Again it’s more likely that she won’t leave Wano, but it’s not impossible that she does

[low swallow]

True, I wonder how they’ve spread their resources currently. Are the admirals/SSG only on the warlords or do they have any sizeable resources headed to Wano

[halcyon tusk]

what reason does she have to listen to reason from anyone whom she doesn’t deem worthy of her time? that’s my basic understanding of how she feels towards most of her children, the eldest five being excluded as she would take a suggestion from them. those five being perospero, katakuri, brulee, Oven, and daifuku. the rest aren’t competent at all imo

[low swallow]

Not sure if I understand your point, I’m just saying if BM wants to leave, her crew is coming and can pick her up. She doesn’t have to listen to reason since she’s the one giving the order. Also, aren’t Oven, Daifuku, Compote and Smoothie on the ship coming.

[viscid anvil]

What's the reason big mom would leave wano for?

[halcyon tusk]

this is a losing battle for her. it’ll become apparent soon enough

[amber oar]

Something going on in WCI could trigger her exit. I don't count on that tho

[viscid anvil]

Hmm, I don't think big mom is the type of pirate who would leave wano because she is losing, and if the ship arrives, it just means more alliances and help though

[halcyon tusk]

there aren’t too many individuals whom would actually go there knowing Katakuri waited to accept their challenge.

[halcyon tusk]

kaido’s defeat as well as the WG imminent arrival would be big enough to make her order a tactical retreat.

she won’t risk death just to save face. it isn’t the smart play

[viscid anvil]

true, but it also holds the possibilty of all the pirates there forming alliance and big mom might not be a part of it but her children might support them, but this very unlikely

[ancient vault]

Defeat big mom so her useless ass doesnt appear on the screen again

[prime bluff]

I have a theory about what luffy dream is

[prime bluff]

He wants to eat meat at every island freely

[spice berry]

How's that a theory

[split glacier]

Roger's dream = Luffy's dream remember. I don't think they stated Roger achieved his "hidden" dream. He told Shanks something that made him cry which could've been "I'm not gonna be able to complete my dream"

[muted ember]

Sanji theory: his body went back to normal, which is why he passed out and his eyebrows went back to their original side

[junior cape]

Yeah that would make sense. Both Sanji and Zoro get temporary powerups, but they learn how to manage and draw on them afterwards. Itll be like Zoro learning to cut steel; if they cant do it on demand, they aren't actually any stronger.

[north cobalt]

I dont think iva changed anyones gender

[bronze palm]

🐒 🇩 🐉

[runic oyster]

I think marco and yamato will join luffys crew at the end of wano

[severe edge]

deffo not marco at least lol

[pure raven]

Would be good if marco gathers remaing wb purates and become a member of shgrand fleet

[pure raven]

Are there any theories about Luffy becoming strong and buff when he awakens his DF?

[halcyon tusk]

against blackbeard it makes sense for marco to be there with the rest. payback pt 2

[viscid anvil]

yamato will, but not marco

[late geode]

Carrot might tho? If she gets a bounty

[viscid anvil]

lol, yeh

[abstract pond]

I feel like Carrot will join the fleet leading the "mink pirates". Inu and Neko will stay in Wano or Zou after this.

[slate mirage]

Nobody will join the grand fleet

[visual merlin]

Yea the grand fleet seems to just be those established groups

not something that any ally can just randomly join

[halcyon tusk]

the minks won’t need to stay on the back of zunesha by EoS they can just move to Wano since the city was messed up anyway might as well dismiss zunesha been plenty long enough

[halcyon tusk]

well you’ll have the grand fleet of seven captains and then you will have allied pirate crews as well as any allied nations/factions

[visual merlin]

Well yea those other allies just won't be part of that fleet

[tawdry yoke]

any theories bout the third admiral?

[late geode]

My man greenbull so strong he hasn't eaten in 3 years

And I think he has tree related devil fruit probably

[primal cargo]

Hi, I just got here 🙂
I've been coming up with a couple of elaborate theories but I'm not sure where to talk about them ? Is it better to just post on reddit ?

My little baby atm is Big Mom claiming Kaido's soul

[pure raven]

It's literally condoriano

[tawdry yoke]

oh damn

[modest skiff]

Anime only character

[viscid anvil]

Use the proper name, Its Con D Oriano

[sand sail]

No meme channel here guys

[gray creek]

Feel free to type it up anywhere. Depends on what formatting you prefer

[pure raven]

Both. Both good

[pure raven]

Im sorry I didn't know jokes are not allowed

[sand sail]

You've been warned for it before, go ahead and read the channel description

[primal cargo]

Great, thanks ! I'll get to work then.

[vestal pulsar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYzqDJBeI9Q this theory is insane bruh

[cyan berry]

please dont just post videos here with no input

[modest skiff]

If you search for the link within this channel, you’ll find this theory has been discussed here a few times and that it is generally viewed very poorly. It makes a lot of really awful leaps in logic and is mostly just clickbait.

[near panther]

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/rv90w3/rogers_original_crew_from_east_blue/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 Made a theory about Roger's possible original crew, would love some feedback

[weak arrow]

the thing is, we saw roger's crew in the flashback

[near panther]

His late crew

[amber oar]

!denieslobby This was already a topic and the conclusion is this command

[lone hedge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/833428729266438194/872498220708819035/Screenshot_20210804-171555.jpg

[near panther]

We've also seen him recruit Rayleigh when he was very young

I'm sure there were some changes to his crew

[weak arrow]

How early on do you think Roger’s disease presented for hiriluk and dr kureha to leave and then make crocus join to treat him?

[near panther]

No idea

I couldn't say what's late or early in their adventure since it seems way longer than Luffy's, but I'd say that they've been on a lot of adventures as a crew before Roger got the disease

[primal cargo]

So I made this post the other day about Big Mom "killing" Kaido (edited it just now) https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/rnnhdm/big_mom_will_take_kaidos_soul/
I'm aware that this is only even possible if we get Wano Act 4, but I think it's interesting that elements of Kaido and Big Mom could be tied together like this. Any thoughts ?

[gray creek]

I used to be on this boat forever. I’m only recently becoming hesitant of BKK because that means even more BM and she’s being set up to go down here at Wano

[near panther]

Thing is Big Mom vs Law and Kidd is happening so I'm not sure she's gonna be able to get to Kaido

[muted ember]

She's going to fuck them up

[gray creek]

Big Luffy punch knocks a defeated Kaido through the roof a la Doffy

[primal cargo]

I'm praying that Kidd&Law don't do it. They could hold her long enough that she can't help Kaido on the roof or something.
But I agree with Big Mom losing in Wano. Wano is where the Kaido storyline and the BM storyline converge.

[near panther]

It's possible, Big Mom is betraying Kaido for sure

And if it's gonna happen it's probably after Kaido starts believing in Luffy

[primal cargo]

I was thinking that Kidd could get a moment where he recognizes that Luffy is the only one who can do it and accepts that his role is to keep Mom busy instead of going for all the glory.

[near panther]

Kidd couldn't do it if he wanted, Bm isn't gonna let him walk away after what they've done

[pale temple]

U all calc the relationship between em very wrong. Kaido and bm were part of the same crew, queen brought her handcuffed in seastone to kaido and first thing He did was free her. I think they trust each Other and would Not even betray each other in a scenario this big

[near panther]

But she pretty much said she was gonna betray him to Marco and Perospero, pretty sure at least

[primal cargo]

This is where she soft-confirms that she's got something planned

But there's also this whole lifelong debt situation. That hasn't gone anywhere so far.

[pale temple]

What u say is very often not what u do. Firstly it would be not good storymaking if she Calls her plan and follows it strict, secondly i think she Said it to safe face infront of her children. Maybe she will do a littl betrayl but i dont think in a scenario this big

[near panther]

Killing him might be too far but I don't think Rocks had that connection between Nakama that strawhats and roger pirates have

They're not the same kind of pirates

[pale temple]

She even trys to actively shut him up by saying it was her plan. I cant believe in the bm kills kaido theory

[primal cargo]

She's definitely not killing him. Bad guys don't die in One Piece. She would be taking his life force and leaving him a weakened geezer

[midnight elbow]

Zoro’s final fight isn’t Shiriu or Mihawk. It’s Helmepo

[split glacier]

Kaido isn't scared of her to lose soul

[midnight elbow]

Zoro vs helmepo for the strongest swordsmen

[pale temple]

I even think that the rocks pirates had a good relationship between each other. Think about it 3 of em ruled over the seas for a very long time not even trying to attack each other. What i think is kaido wanted to participate in marineford to HELP whitebeard against the marines and not to kill hin. I think shanks knew this and he wanted to help the marines for reasons we dont know yet

[gray creek]

Betrayal has been brought up since PH in regards to the supernovas. Apoo sort of fulfills this, but the people who keep bringing it up are the old guard like BM and Kaido. It’s 100% fitting for them to betray each other to finally pay off on that theme

[split glacier]

Kaido wanted to die and that was the best option at the time. Die in a grand War, he didn't wanna help him/them. Shanks just stopped it being an even bigger War with Kaido involved

[primal cargo]

Regarding the Rocks pirates, Sengoku explicitly said that they didn't get along and that's why none of them talks about being a part of it.

[near panther]

Btw

[pale temple]

I think u guys dont try to read between the lines in this manga u just take what is thrown to you. U will see in some chapters that things can get different

[shadow ruin]

Zoro killed another minority (king) is he a racist? I think so.

[split glacier]

I think you're reading lines that aren't there.

[gray creek]

There’s reading between the lines and then there’s reading the exact opposite of what you’re told lol

[shadow ruin]

Zolo: winner

[primal cargo]

Can't say I dig it. Having two doctors aboard and then a third one ? Wouldn't feel right I think

[near panther]

They didn't start as doctors

[pale temple]

We will see 😄

[near panther]

It's said hiriluk used to be a theif and obviously has no medical knowledge

[primal cargo]

Maybe Roger met Kureha on his second run of the Grand Line ? The one we see in Oden's flashback

We know he went the same route as Luffy

[shadow ruin]

@velvet edge since your an admin and you must know a fair amount what do you think will happen in the rest of wano?

[split glacier]

Roger met Kureha. She's the first to tell us it's Gol D Roger and theres a will of D still going

[near panther]

I believe there was more on the first run, the first crew he set to the grand line with

[velvet edge]

I know just as much as the rest of the fanbase

[shadow ruin]

Yeah but like whats your specific take of what will happen?

[primal cargo]

The idea I was pushing for in my theory is that Kaido's person is built on a fundamental rejection of death, and that Big Mom could exploit that to have him fear for his life (rather than fear her)

[near panther]

Roger resembling Luffy and Rayleigh resembling Zoro must mean there were more like the straw hats within his pirate crew

[gray creek]

Maybe, but keep in mind that Drum Island was a detour. They hit it by accident, not by using the pose. I think it’s more likely Roger went there when he was initially looking for a cure, and that’s how he’s acquainted with Kureha

[gray creek]

Be careful with parallels

[near panther]

there are a lot of parallels we just don't know of yet

[primal cargo]

I could see Kureha possibly being revealed as a part of Roger's crew. Hiluluk not really though.

[near panther]

Kureha's personality's basically the same as Nami, but I wrote everything I could think of in that post.

[gray creek]

Agreed

[near panther]

if there's a nami parallel it only makes sense there'll be more of other ones, at least the original five from east blue who are basically the main straw hats

[velvet edge]

I’m a bit busy now but I’ll ping you when I write something out later

[near panther]

Hope we'll get to see more of Roger's early days as a pirate

[gray creek]

See you’re already making a leap. We don’t know if there is a Nami parallel, and really we have no reason to assume so

[near panther]

For now that's what I believe haha

[shadow ruin]

Ok thanks mate, ill keep a look out.

[near panther]

Guess we'll have to wait and see

[split glacier]

Seems a bit risky for an old woman like that to be rolling with them. She's more in Brook's timeline if anything. More likely see knew the Ds before Roger and Co

[near panther]

Age shouldn’t affect her too much, you’ve probably seen the way Oda drew nami at ages 40 and 60

I believe they’re the same case haha

[primal cargo]

Kureha did namedrop Gol D. Roger for the first time in the manga

[near panther]

And she thought the will of D lives on after watching Luffy party after a victory, she might’ve seen Roger the same way

[pallid ibex]

Do y’all really think shanks is evil? I know there’s a few things in the series that we’ve seen that are sus but seeing him on Rogers crew, w luffy, w ace, and w mihawk it’s just so hard to believe. Like obviously he has a lot of mystery surrounding his character and maybe he did set up luffy to be pirate for a purpose but I just don’t think they were evil intentions.

[primal cargo]

No way. Shanks is our (and Luffy's) model of a good pirate. Him being evil would ruin chapter 1 and the whole series with it.

[tranquil swan]

No way he's evil for sure
-he won't sacrifice his arm for a kid

• he was respectable towards ace and wb's deaths
  but yeah we do not know absolutely nothing about his past and his relation with gorosei

[ancient vault]

we got enough villains

[near panther]

We don't know know nothing about his past but we do know about his relationship with roger, him being evil after doing so much for a kid who shares the same dream as his rolemodel will ruin the plot

[pallid ibex]

Ok I’m glad we’re all on the same page. We have so many more amazing villains to face and shanks is our guy 🙌

I wonder if we get a full shanks backstory in the manga

I really hope we get one for kaido bc I think he’s a great villain and the joy boy comparison really got me thinking about what typa person he was

[void tree]

y does the sun in ennies lobby never set? like its geographicly impossible what do u guys think

[fathom matrix]

I sometimes feel like the Shanks = Evil idea, is brought about for the sake of it, cause we don't know his past 100% nor do we know all his intensions.

But they're not evil, cause he was on roger's ship, he looked up to him, gave his hat to someone who believed in, as well sacrificing his arm, and was built up to be a respectable, goofy and honest guy with faults.

And Shanks does try to look the other way, but he's shown in public he's not a lawful good guy, as his crew has killed people, he's cut off people's limbs, showing he's not some golden sport, but he does have good intensions.

well, TBH Kidd kinda deserved it, I mean, how many people has he killed and/or tortured?

Plus Shanks gave up his arm for a bet, and you know he must have chosen kidd's left arm on purpose for that very reason. Hell, maybe kidd made fun of it

[gray creek]

Enies Lobby isn’t lit by the sun, it’s some other phenomenon that hasn’t been explained. It’s possibly some weird weather thing that happens, like raijin island

[fathom matrix]

I could see King unconscious on the floor, and a bunch of Marine soldiers see him

[sacred hawk]

If Blackbeard does attack Whole Cake Island for the Road Poneglyph, what if he takes Pudding as well?

And then, if Pudding can't awaken her powers, he steals her devil fruit, and then uses it to steal Robin's memories to figure out how to read it himself.

[tawdry bramble]

Taking pudding too is a good plot line I hope they go with that just as another way he can read the glyphs

[dusk halo]

Assuming big mom gets defeated on onigashima, how do you guys think she will lose?

[abstract pond]

Kidd and Law

[tawdry bramble]

Never in a million years would I have thought Kidd and Law could have taken down Big Mom. I don’t think they’ve earned it at all really. Law couldn’t even take down Doflamingo the last time we saw him fight and suddenly he’s Yonkou tier?

[fathom matrix]

I have this theory that she'll fuck off to whole cake island, like the ship finally manages to make it to Wano, then Big Mom comes back, says "IT'S OVER, WE'RE HEADING BACK TO TAT LAND" but when they arrive it's in ruins.

a shit ton of it's damaged a lot of people are dead, the ponoglyth's gone, Katakuri's missing a limb

[abstract pond]

it's a 2vs1 and Kidd and Law for a long time have been "rivals" of Luffy

[fathom matrix]

They've been rivals, but power scaling them by each other's a bit hard to determine their strength

Plus, Luffy's been training crazy, and he not only learned advanced haki, but learned to use coc in his fists

[tawdry bramble]

Law did absolutely nothing to get stronger since Dressrosa. Kidd got dunked on and lost an arm. Them magically awakening their abilities and it giving them and edge is one thing but them still both going after using it is garbage when they said it was a last resort. Big Mom has only gotten stronger since then and they still aren’t out.

[amber oar]

"I didn't see the panels so it didn't happen"

We had a span of like two weeks (the trip to WCI) in which we saw nothing about Law. You can't just assume he dozed off for all of that time.

And even in Wano, we saw him at times.

[tawdry bramble]

Sorry for expecting the story to not just ass pull power ups.

[amber oar]

If showing up with a powerup after two weeks of seeing nothing followed by another two of seeing just some moments here and there, is an asspull, what's left for Luffy figuring out a powerup in the middle of the fucking battle

[hazy bone]

Hi!! I'm new here and I watch the English dub so I'm a bit behind. I have a theory that I didn't see anywhere and I think I'm close to something interesting. I was hoping I could get some help from someone to formulate the theory and see if it makes any sense or if someone already mentioned it.
It's mainly about how Shanks lost his arm and about Roger's sickness.
Also I really don't know on what channel to put this on so sry about that.

[amber oar]

Hi, feel free to try, as long as it's not a tired meme

[abstract pond]

Remember when Luffy ass pulled gear second and third?

[hazy bone]

I don't understand what that means but thanks!
So when I reached a certain point in one piece I started to feel weird about how shanks lost an arm to a random monster that luffy defeated in the beginning of the series (I feel like Shanks was more powerfull than that). I don't know if any more imput was put into that scene tho.

[tawdry bramble]

Thinking of how to creatively use your fruit is completely different from mastering it off screen.

And Luffy even says where he got the inspiration from and how it happened.

[amber oar]

and mastering it off screen is not an asspull. Simply Kid and Law aren't the MC

[fathom matrix]

That's coolio mate, but be mindful we tend to talk about the latest chapters here, so you might be spoiled on some things when you enter this chat at time 😅

[hazy bone]

thanks a lot!! I'm not reading any messages that aren't replied to me so i should be kinda safe

[hazy bone]

So the theory is based on that Shanks weird thing and on Luffy's poisoning and hormone use in impel down along side 4th gear uses. All of this should take an heavy tool on the boy's body.
I'll go right to the point: I think the passing of the straw hat means more than just a gift but like a way to protect a suscessor at a heavy cost. I think somehow, eather by a devil fruit ( I was thinking about Roger's unknown devil fruit if he has one) or by the straw hat being some king of magical relic, Roger took all of Luffy's poison and gear injuries in impel down and stuff and thats how he ended up so sick. And Shanks lost an arm from a fight that luffy will have against someone (Idk Blackbeard maybe)
The main questions that I have about this are:
-I got spoiled that there's time travel in one piece and I would like to confirm that and see if the kind of time travel is similar;
-If the shanks question was already answered;
-Roger's Devil fruit;
-I got spoiled about that there's a big straw hat somewhere

[gray creek]

Nah, there’s like 0 chance that’s how it works. The time travel thing is very limited, and we don’t know much about anything else you mentioned. It looks like Roger doesn’t have a fruit. The best explanation for Shanks is that it’s an inconsistency from a simpler time in OP

[hazy bone]

Well thats disappointing but thanks. So you think Luffy is like gonna die soon or something? I'm kinda scared about all of that poison stuff

[gray creek]

Not really. The hormones shaved a decade or something? OP humans can live in their hundreds. Even if he was a regular guy, that’s like 60’s or 70’s The gears didn’t reduce his lifespan

[pure raven]

They used to

Luffy even said speeding up his blood and heart rate was decreasing his life span, but over the 2 years he got better

[gray creek]

It’s a mistranslation. Lucci said something like if he keeps pushing that hard he’ll die, and it got translated as him shaving away at his life. Nothing like that has been implied except Ivankov

[hazy bone]

I see. I appreciate a lot the input. I'm really the kind of guy that goes out off his way to make sense of something that is explained by bad writing or in this case, the effects of the series get from being so long. I really want Shanks's arm thing to be explained somehow because it's such a big moment in One Piece.

[pure raven]

Nah he still shaved off his life because he sped up his heart rate

[halcyon tusk]

it’s true, it’s stated just before he destroys blueno

[gray creek]

This just isn’t the case

[pure raven]

Yes it is

Search up theory channels on youtube

[gray creek]

Lol no thanks. You can search through this discord for the 4 dozen times it’s been discussed, I’ve done enough to clear up the misconception

[pure raven]

No you haven’t since I don’t see any manga panels

[gray creek]

[crimson birch]

Ping??

[gleaming vector]

Why Mihawk is the son of Imu
Disclaimer: this theory lacks variety of evidence because both characters are still huge mysteries.
Also, this is for fun, so if you don't like it, please don't be rude and blunt 🙂
1) The Son of God
By Mihawk's attire as well as his weapons, it is clear that his character is inspired by Christianity, mainly the main symbol, the cross. The most prevalent sign of this symbol is his large sword, Yoru, which rests on his back facing the ground (which looks like a cross facing up). I believe this symbolizes Jesus carrying the cross on his back to his execution. One of Jesus's main titles is the Son of God. There are many so called gods in One Piece, but there is only one person who really rules over the world like a God in a place that resembles the heavens and that is Imu. So, it is heavily possible that Mihawk is the son of the God of the world.
2) Luffy/Zoro's Final Opponent
In a series where the biggest theme of the story is dreams, each of the main characters has their own dream which ties to their character arc. Zoro and Luffy are the only Straw Hats to have dreams which require them to rise to the top of the world, making them the 2 most important dreams of the series. Zoro vs. Mihawk is also the fight that has been hyped up for the longest, so Oda would likely make it his last and most legendary fight in the series. Even if Imu wouldn't physically be powerful enough to fight a character like EOS Luffy, they are fated to cross paths because Imu is Luffy's greatest barrier to freedom as Imu rules the system which takes freedom away from everyone, so Imu must be a final opponent to Luffy in some way. Knowing how Oda likes to tie arcs and fights neatly together, it would make sense if Luffy's right hand would fight a Imu's son (right under Imu in terms of hierarchy). This follows the standard hierarchy fights in One Piece (like Zoro vs King and Sanji vs Queen) and allows Luffy and Zoro to fight their greatest opponents.

feel free to point out flaws or counterarguments, because this is a big reach

[halcyon tusk]

well i’d say the best point i can find as a counterargument is the current state of affairs in regards to Mihawk, and how i don’t believe that imu would sanction the Navy attacking Mihawk

[gray creek]

Idk how true this will end up being, but you know I never considered the context of Mihawk’s confrontation. Oda would more likely tie it into the main story than make it a side thing, wouldn’t he?

[halcyon tusk]

mihawk is too closely tied to a main character to not get closure

[gray creek]

Playing devil’s advocate, you couldn’t pardon Mihawk alone and have people not find that suspicious. You’d rather send a force Mihawk could handle, and that you don’t mind losing

[halcyon tusk]

to imu the entirety of the navy is expendable. in the end they don’t matter apart from the top ranking officers

rather to the gorosei

imu doesn’t deal directly with anything from what i understand

[gleaming vector]

yeah I thought of that one. It's possible that the marines just don't know about Mihawk being Imu's son, and only Imu and maybe a few of the five elders know. As we saw in Wano, Mihawk was excited to be chased again, which means that he loves the freedom of the seas. Imu might just let Mihawk do as he pleases. It wouldn't be crazy if Imu gifted his/her son freedom instead of being a helicopter parent

[gray creek]

I mean expendable in a strategic sense not emotional lol

[gleaming vector]

or maybe they had a falling out and Mihawk was banished, and then we will see them join forces towards the end

[halcyon tusk]

think he might be one of the more prevalent tenryubito? i think mihawk is as well as Shanks

[gleaming vector]

this would be one of the best ways to spice up his character, and we know Oda loves to spice up characters that were first seen early on and had their showtime later (Doflamingo)

[halcyon tusk]

if it is true that mihawk sought freedom then he could serve a secondary role as a living example of achieving the freedom luffy seeks

[ruby depot]

sanja body may have already been like a devil fruit with his eyes swirl being oda indicator or maybe he absorb the raid suit and now could actually turn invisible at will

[gleaming vector]

everything connects 👀

[halcyon tusk]

it does actually make a lot of sense and maybe the grin when he saw the navy coming was actually him finding it amusing how petty ol dad/or mom is to send the cops instead of just calling to say hey come home.

[pure raven]

the most beautiful and perhaps oldest Japanese wordplay in One Piece

SH DF:

gomu = 5 6 (go=5 and mu=6)
hito = 1 10
hana = 8 7
yomi = 4 3

We have all the numbers from 1 to 10 except 2 and 9. So a next DF could have 29 or 92 as numbers.

Imagine we choose 29:

56+110+87+43+29 = 325 (this reads san-ni-go = sunny go)

So if the next SH with a DF has a 29 DF, both the 1-10 and the sunny go patterns are completed.

Oda chose, for example for Robin, a name that barely has anything to do with the power (but aesthetics) and it fits the pattern, which could imply there's purpose in it (a similar thing happens with Brook).

Oda has acknowledged this pattern in an SBS too, but with no confirmation.

Easy assumption, vivi

[gray creek]

Yamato kills it

[serene barn]

so luffy gonna meet shanks in 2022 so wano arc over in 50eps or so ........ or shanks will come help to efeat big mom or kaido

[stoic girder]

One piece is a time capsule left by joyboy and his friends. The mystery has been solved and you're welcome