manga-theories

[torpid mist]

Yamato is hiyori and Komurasaki is Toki

[woven moth]

Also explains how Sanji is able to fight her. Imagine his reaction when he beats Queen and out pops a woman. Ridiculously low chances of happening but it's funny

[sinful helm]

queen represents fredie mercury

so no sense too make her a woman when we all know who queen is based on mostly

[rapid fern]

The way Oda used Osome to create drama for us is cheap af lol. However, will Osome be relevant somehow? We saw Koala became relevant though, could it happen to Osome?

[upbeat pecan]

I have another theory in regards to shyarly’s prediction of the destruction of fishman island. Madam shyarly said she saw a figure in a straw hat destroying the island. However its not confirmed it is luffy. She assumed it was luffy based on the straw hat itself but it wasnt confirmed she didnt actually see the face. So what if its not. I mean hes not the only one with a straw hat after all. Remember the chamber in mary geoise? There was a straw hat identical to luffy’s in larger proportion. This means its possible there exists more than one person with a hat like that. Theres alot of lore behind the straw hat now that we actually saw it in mary geoise hidden like some valuable treasure

[untold coyote]

i have a theory on blackbeard

If blackbeard is able to get another devil fruit i think its gonna be enel because enel is gonna come back and it makes sense if blackbeard takes his DF.He will have Darkness which means under world, Whitebeards one which is ground ,and lightning if this happens blackbeaard will become to over powered

[upbeat pecan]

You know its interesting because it took me awhile to realize but i think we have a hint on how blackbeards devil fruit stealing works

[untold coyote]

me to

[upbeat pecan]

You know how big mom was able to obtain her power by simply eating caramel? Big mom and blackbeard share something in common and that is they obtained the abilities by stealing directly from the deceased users. Now im not suggesting blackbeard ate whitebeards heart or something. What im suggesting is what if blackbeard somehow trapped the devil fruit before it could pass on. From what i read when a devil fruit user dies the fruit goes through a reincarnation cycle and regrows in the wild. What if thats exactly what blackbeard and big mom did. They trapped the “spirit” of the devil fruit before it could be reincarnated

[untold coyote]

could be but i have a different one

[muted valley]

We saw burgess was going to do it too

But it likley is having a fruit and getting the reincarnated fruit from that

[untold coyote]

I think he was able to take whitebeards devil fruit and has room for one more because blackbeard took his sisters or brothers soul and the DF are connected to the soul and because on his flag is three skulls

[upbeat pecan]

He doesnt have siblings?

[untold coyote]

did they say that?

[upbeat pecan]

How do you know he has siblings? Where has it ever mentioned he had siblings

[untold coyote]

because in jaya luffy and zoro called blackbeard they and he has three guns

[untold coyote]

idk but its a theory

[muted valley]

BB was confirmed as a "they" with multiple ppl

During Jaya, when he had his speech with luffy. Nami comments on him. And Luffy and zoro say it's not a him but "they. Referring to his change in personality n such

[upbeat pecan]

Heres the problem with that theory. It could have been they knew blackbeard was a captain and that that luffy and zoro were refering to his crew who were probably in the crowd. Theres no way they sit there and think that blackbeard has multiple people. I mean come on its luffy and zoro we are talking about here. Luffy especially. The most oblivious man in the straw hat crew. I mean remember when he thought “gastino” was someone else?

[untold coyote]

wait did he have a crew that time tho?

[upbeat pecan]

Yes. He had zoro, nami, sanji, usopp, chopper and robin

[untold coyote]

no i mean blackbeard

[upbeat pecan]

Yes! Jesus burgess, van auger, doc q, and laffite

Although laffite was somewhere else at the time talking to the world government

[untold coyote]

oh

[upbeat pecan]

It could be possible they were in the crowd off camera

[untold coyote]

nah i dont think so

[upbeat pecan]

I mean come on seriously? Luffy. Calling blackbeard them? Do you hobestly think luffy or zoro are able to immediately think “they are multiple people” when luffy cant even tell that sogeking and usopp were the same person? Or when he actually thought the imposters at sabody were zoro and sanji?

[untold coyote]

ayo sogeking and ussop are completely different man

[untold coyote]

that would be a good arc ngl

[upbeat pecan]

But seriously tho my point still stands. Theres no way hed be able to process the idea of multiple people in one body when he cant tell that gastino is caesar clown all along

[untold coyote]

i mean were talking about oda tho

[upbeat pecan]

And zoro of all people is not as dense as luffy but still dense. He gets lost all the damn time

[pure raven]

did they really said what happens to the sabo in the manga

[muted valley]

They were talking about him in particular

[solar knoll]

Nah just a theory i think

[muted valley]

His personality changes alot

[upbeat pecan]

But his crew was also there so we cant just say there were multiple people in one body

[pure raven]

I think i only saw the about something happened to sabo only in the anime but not in the manga dunno cant remember it clearly

[upbeat pecan]

Im not saying they show up in this pannel but they were in the island nonetheless

[solar knoll]

I think blackbeard have 3 souls? (Ps:Didn’t read the manga nor finish anime just watch some theories on yt)

[untold coyote]

same

[pure raven]

BB is not pure evil hes just cunning doing everything to get to his goal

[upbeat pecan]

But his crew was on the island.

What luffy and zoro were probably takking about was the fact that based on analysis on his behavior he was a pirate captain and a leader meaning they assumed he wasnt alone. Again his crew was on the island

[solar knoll]

Could be but i think they are just talking about BB

[pure raven]

BB doesnt sleep I think theres more to it where he comes from ...

[muted valley]

Notice how it goes back to BB drinking? Drinking grog referring to himself as it's a shift in personality from. How he was previously acting when drinking.

[untold coyote]

in different scenes his teeth are different either is full or there ar holes on the left of his mouth

[upbeat pecan]

Yeah and zoro has scars on his ankles for trying to cut his feet on the giant duel arc yet sometimes oda forgets to draw the damn scars

[solar knoll]

Tbh I didn’t finish watching one piece i’m still on episode 98 but i do love spoiling my self so

[upbeat pecan]

Or that one time when oda changed the teeth of kaido in his dragon human hybrid form

[solar knoll]

Do you guys think that luffy will awaken his devil fruit or unlock gear 5?

[untold coyote]

yh

[pure raven]

for this arc i dont think but he will go beyond in the haki levels

[upbeat pecan]

I dont think gear 5 is gonna be anything like his awakening ability. I think its gonna be more like the nervous system. Gear 2 was vascular system, gear 3 was skeletal system, gear 4 was muscular system. So by process of elimination gear 5 has to be related to the nervous system

[wooden rain]

i think he will awaken both at the same time

[solar knoll]

Who will join strawhats next?

[pure raven]

I think df awakening will come in the elbaf arc

[pure raven]

def yamato

[wooden rain]

yamato, and maybe momo

[untold coyote]

yh yamato

[untold coyote]

no he will be shogun

[upbeat pecan]

Yamato.

[pure raven]

come to think of it we still havent seen the adult momo yet right

[untold coyote]

yh only dragon form

[upbeat pecan]

What

Oh yeah

Dont type “mom” you got me confused XD

[pure raven]

lol yeah saw that later xd

[upbeat pecan]

Zoro and hiyori i think is gonna happen. Hiyori i think is a little thirsty for zoro given that she legit slept with him

The real question is will momonosuke approve of it

[pure raven]

sanji prob be against it

lol

[wooden rain]

he has pudding

[upbeat pecan]

Thats true but then again him disapproving zoro and him liking pudding are two separate things

[pure raven]

sanji wants all the beauties for himself lol

[upbeat pecan]

But regardless i think hiyori has feelings for the first mate of the straw hat pirates

[upbeat pecan]

Lol i dont think sanji knows boa hancock is madly in love with luffy

[pure raven]

That surely will piss him off so much

[solar knoll]

Yeah and also when sanji learn that all the girls on the island want luffy(dont know the details)

[wooden rain]

do you think sanji gave up and doesn't want to find all blue or he still wants to find it?

[upbeat pecan]

Oh he wants to find it

[pure raven]

lol i want to see his reaction when that happens lol

[solar knoll]

Hahah same

[wooden rain]

yeah but it's like he doesn't care much

[solar knoll]

He still wants to find it. But where do you guys think all blue is located?

[upbeat pecan]

I want to see his reaction when they see the giant poster of luffys head on the island

[upbeat pecan]

No i think he does. Hes shown since he was a child that he wants to find it.

[pure raven]

may be in upcoming islands or near last island

[solar knoll]

It could be

[wooden rain]

maybe it doesn't even exist

[pure raven]

anyone thinking giant prince loki will be op ?

[ancient vault]

This is turning more into a discussion on speculation rather than proper theories

[upbeat pecan]

I love how luffy’s relationship with hancock is both wholesome yet full of miss-understandings from both ends. In a way both of them are made for each other just based on the fact that both of them miss understand the situations present.

[ancient vault]

Not trynna be rude but if you got no serious theories to discuss its probably better to move it to #manga or #also-manga where you dont have a slow mode either

[upbeat pecan]

Yeah lets get back to the theories

[upbeat pecan]

I actually want to talk about this

[solar knoll]

Haha same

[ancient vault]

I honestly doubt he will get an actual execution like ace

[upbeat pecan]

Cmon man like luffy already lost ace i dont think he wants to lose sabo. And besides i think theres more plans behind it.

[solar knoll]

Well if he does luffy will get to see his father

[upbeat pecan]

I dont think its gonna be like the marineford war

[solar knoll]

Yeah but im kinda excited on knowing what will happen or what happened to sabo

[wooden rain]

luffy is op now he won't let that happen

[upbeat pecan]

I think dragon does want to save him but at the same time it be a little risky. This is the world government we are taking about. They handle their things differently unlike the marines so its not likely they want to cause more chaos through another war.

Its also why alot of the marines hates the world government. Even fucking akainu hates the way world government runs things

[pure raven]

I think something else will happens its too early for another big war right

[solar knoll]

Whats one piece? (Treasure)

[upbeat pecan]

Especially with the doflamingo incident

[solar knoll]

Will luffy defeat kaido?

[ancient vault]

If we assume he was captured I‘d rather assume Sabo is being held captured and being tortured like whos who was in mary joa. Trying to get information out of him.
I dont think its a coincidence we were revealed to that there exists a torture chamber in Mary Joa.
Additionally I think Dragon himself will take care of this problem rather than have Luffy involved in it.

1. Sabo said he will watch over Luffy. Having him being rescued by Luffy is just another Ace situation + kinda embarrassing for Sabo.
2. Dragon should be one to save Sabo. We know theyre gonna be important for the final war so giving them maybe a mini rescue arc before the final war to set them up a bit would be pretty neat.

[pure raven]

plus SH crew is not strong yet since majority still dont have haki right

[upbeat pecan]

Yeah but then again luffy does know how to infuse conquerers haki

[ancient vault]

Haki aint that important

[muted ember]

I don't think Sabo is even captured

[pure raven]

or BB will capture sabo then there will be a fight BB VS Dragon

[ancient vault]

Doubt we‘d get reactions like koalas makimas or dardans then

[pure raven]

WG peeps also prob have that not one many

[upbeat pecan]

The five elders definitely look like they have some kind of strength. You know as much as i hate the world government i dont entirely hate the five elders. They the only celestial dragons that actually do their job and dont abuse their power the same way the others do

I hate them but they are just like slightly lesser evil compared to the rest.

[pure raven]

I think they might be even above the yonko levels

[upbeat pecan]

Its hard to say really.

[pure raven]

any thoughts theory that buggy is secretly strong ...since oda include him every major things prob there is more to him

[solar knoll]

I wonder why they brought up Ushimaru and made him resemble Zoro only for Oda to confirm it’s not Zoro’s dad

[upbeat pecan]

Its just that the five elders…. I dont think they are the type who just simply sit back. The yonkos are a threat without a doubt but just think about it. If they really were above the yonkos then i think they would have taken care of them themselves. And i say this because like i said earlier, they arent the same as the other celestial dragons. But i just think if they truly were that strong they could have taken care of the yonkos themselves. I mean why you think they didnt get themselves involved in the marineford war. Im not saying they weak. I think they are strong just not yonko level.

They arent the type who sit back and let others do the job for them for no reason

Especially since long ago roger was considered a great threat to the world government at the time of the age of the pirate king i dont think they would sit idly by and wait for roger to discover the secret island if they truly were that strong

Again i emphasize the fact they arent the typical spoiled celestial dragons like the others

When roger was still alive they sent every man every power they had to stop roger but nothing worked. Roger was that unstoppable. And whitebeard at the time was one of the very very very few individuals who could fight roger equally neck and neck

And considering the fact kaido and big mom have teamed up even if the elders joined in with every single marine staff and cipher pol staff they wouldnt stand a chance. One yonko is one thing but two at the same time is just too goddamn much.

[spiral swan]

any theories on kaidos full name?

[upbeat pecan]

Nah

I want to talk about edward weevil now. If this dude really is whitebeards son

I think whether or not he is his son one thing for certain is weevil strongly believes this. If weevil is lying then i dont think hes lying intentionally. I think weevil thinks he really is whitebeards son but his mother straight up lied to him since he was a baby. Like hes one of those guys that just grew up with lies since childhood

If weevil was his son i dont think whitebeard would abandon his real family. But lets say if weevil was really his biological son. Maybe whitebeard simply didnt know. Who knows maybe whitebeard had a fling with bakkin and she simply never told him

[heavy ocean]

Weevil resembles Shiki a bit, i wouldn't be surprised if Bakkin did the nasty with him

[plucky kiln]

Do the gorosei actually think that what they do is to maintain a peaceful world ?

i always wondered about that. The celestial dragons obviously don't, but the gorosei don't seem like the type of beings who just want to enjoy dominating over the world.

I guess they really think that what they do is good and neccessary.

Thats what I thought until we learned about imu...

[echo terrace]

its just different perspective of what peace is

[rose spoke]

Some strawhats allies are gonna show up soon enough, I am so excited to see

I dont know if Id like for the marines, the WG to show up before them

[ancient vault]

I can link a pretty decent theory that bakkins used whitebeards blood to create weevil

[zinc iris]

I'd say that he was captured but also reported dead so that the revos won't try to free him

[ancient vault]

https://youtu.be/HgoqAoC04A4

[ancient vault]

Damn ur still alive i see u so rarely in here lately
I think it was wapol who lied to morgans too. Ordered by the WG

[pure raven]

so what we now learn from queen, is that he dive into germa technology and has most of the tech for himself.now He even stated to sanji " your ability** stealth black** has well. This was the reason why queen asked sanji if his burning leg is a machine part, due to the fact that he has no knowledge of stealth black having fire powers.
Judge as well didn't comment at all about his leg as well, which further supports this point. We can now conclude that sanji's dj is from his passion, and own talent.
From what we now know of ifrit, Sanji was always able to get that level of fire, however his body was limited. Is it possible that Sanji has a 3rd stage that he can go to. I won't argue that dj is cocs haki related, but I do think Sanji flames will be even more special, which will distinguish himself from other fire users, and even the mera no mi/ king & lunarians

[zinc iris]

yeah I visit less frequently as the latest chapters made me lose interest

about the sudden news Morgans got I feel like it's something else, Sabo's kill in combat would be something the WG would advertise with an official bulletin on their own

[cerulean slate]

https://animesweet.com/img/2020/one-piece-the-clash-between-ace-and-blackbeard-returns-in-a-special-illustration.jpg

look like a straw hat and a gear i think it hints the battle on laugh tale thoughts

[ancient vault]

What exactly?

[zinc iris]

the usual, CoC becoming a combat requitement and zoro's lineage

[ancient vault]

Oh true

Agree actually. But im more interested in the lore stuff anyways. Im still waiting for kaidos flashback

[ancient vault]

Reach lol

[zinc iris]

that still is fine, but the thematic betrayal of the other stuff is souring me so much

also slightly miffed in sanji being tricked into destroying the suit that feels like oda hastily walking back on the power up

[ancient vault]

First rejecting it after WCI
Accepting beginning of wano
And now rejecting and destroying it again lol

For no actual reason since it was queen that hit her

[zinc iris]

yeah, the flip flopping, plus making it so it was queen that attacked the woman anyway, so it even turns out that sanji destroyed it for nothing

it would have been better if it was actually him, at least would have been for a reason

[ancient vault]

True

[ripe nebula]

Do you guys think we will one day see Sunny's Klabautermann :')

[latent zodiac]

I have another question about kaido's crew.

We have King the wildfire. (Flaming man pterodactyl)

Queen the Plague (cause he uses plagues)

Jack the Drought. (...)

did jack ever have any heat related abilities or did i miss something?

weird title to give him.

[near osprey]

If the Sunny is near death yeah, a Klaubauterman only appears when a ship is about to go down.

[spice berry]

Leaves massive destruction wherever he pillages

[scarlet cedar]

i think that the one piece has something that makes devil fruits users ill

[crisp notch]

So, i been heard theories that one mugiwara will die.. what do you think of it?

[wild veldt]

It's cause where ever Jack goes and rampages he absolutely destroys the land as if a drought had happened. Leaving no life

[split glacier]

Some think this. All the lifespan stuff that's been dropped in the story. When he gets a new ability, it always has a health strain. Plus he lost 10/20 years from Ivan drug thing. He's meant to parallel Roger so him dying makes "sense" but there's Chopper and Law to prevent that story wise.

[ancient vault]

that was based on an interview that resolved around the merry dying

[wild veldt]

I mean, Luffy hasn't lost that much life in the long run

G2 never chipped away at his life span

[ancient vault]

lufffy can live up to like 90 up i doubt he lost like 65 years

[wild veldt]

The Iva treatment did

[crisp notch]

yeah, but thats not of the merry, is about now

[wild veldt]

But people in OP live longer than 100 normally

[ancient vault]

not directly

[crisp notch]

like shirohige?

[ancient vault]

yeah but most of the theories are based around that interview because they misunderstood what was being said

[crisp notch]

yeah

[ancient vault]

hes 70

[grand walrus]

oda has been saying that luffy keeps shortening his lifespan. I feel that gold roger also is the type of personality as luffy and gold roger died at middle age, so maybe luffy will also die at middle age. however if luffy is a MORE EXTREME version of gold roger maybe luffy will die even sooner

[wild veldt]

G2 just put strain on his body pretime skip because his body was not physically strong enough be used to it. Now G2 doesn't have that side effect because his body can no handle it

[crisp notch]

o

[wild veldt]

He wasn't losing time in his life span

[grand walrus]

luffy gets 'i'll die if I don't go on that island' disease

[ancient vault]

he wasnt yeah. But that damage woudve indirectly resulted in him dying earlier than he would

[wild veldt]

I mean, that's just doping. If he stayed in g2 and over used it pretime skip, sure he would just die

lol

SO I guess technically it would effect his lifespan by just ending it

But I think what Krup and Moustache were talking about was actually losing years of his life or actively shortening it. Rather than just doing something that will just kill him

[ancient vault]

yeah I dont disagree with you just saying this basically

[muted ember]

I just realized we know what day it is in story. Tama's birthday, March 3, was the first day of Wano. It's March 17

[pure raven]

it was always pretty clear the raid suit was likely to go at some point, it was too ridiculous and didn't match the way people usually get power ups

at least now we know sanji is the only one who has germa-like powers that can't be easily replicated with a raid suit

[vivid forum]

shit, you guys think that means law will sacrifice himself for luffy's lifespan at some point

[pure raven]

if a mechanic is introduced and talked about it has to come in at some point, the most likely candidate is luffy imo

but law is almost 100% dying at some point lmao

[vivid forum]

yeah I agree with the second part, which sucks because I really like him

[pure raven]

I wish the supernovas were never added, unlike warlords they don't make one piece longer, they just take up space

every time a supernova fights with someone who isn't a supernova it's one less fight for sanji and zoro (or jimbe I guess)

[vivid forum]

I'm reserving judgment, they do make it kind of hard to keep track of things but I feel like it was probably important luffy wasn't the only big shot rookie

[pure raven]

it definitely doesn't make sense for a whole swarm of rookies to show up at the same time

kidd was alright as a pseudo-rival but law especially was just painful

we had like 200-300 chapters devoted almost exclusively to him

that, after the incredibly boring FMI saga

[vivid forum]

ahh, I like law a lot but I can see where you're coming from

it seems to me law probably will have some important story beats for luffy so he got all that extra time

[gusty needle]

Immortality surgery will be performed on momo probably

[weak arrow]

why?

[modest skiff]

I don't think this is confirmed at all. I and others assume Luffy and Zoro meant they knew BB had allies with him.

[modest skiff]

Yeah this is a good point lol

[modest skiff]

Yeah this is one of the only things that makes me believe 3 personality kinda deal. I think he said he didn't like the beer earlier, then said he did like it later. But he does say today, so it is possible the beer quality just varies day to day

[bitter kraken]

Is law that much in love with luffy to throw his life away for his? I don’t think law will even use the immortality surgery on anyone, I think that was introduced because IM sama has it

[gusty needle]

Momo has some parallels in terms of early childhood tragedy with Law and has now forgone his childhood as a sacrifice. The aging move can be offset by immortality. Second driving motives revolve around a personal belief that Luffy and other SHs fit a moment in time narrative and immortality would take away from this. Also, momos name is the unrivaled and I felt at some point he should become the worlds strongest, which would be potentially compromised by the aging thing. Wouldn’t also be surprised if Wano ends up being the old HQ for the ones who Peres her in the void so might be fitting for someone from this lineage to outlive time itself once the immediate conflict is resolved.

[vivid forum]

I figure someone like momo (young and relatively helpless) has a better shot at getting law to help them than luffy does, that's why it was surprising to consider luffy as an option

[weak arrow]

Most people see Luffy as an option because they misunderstand what it does and think it's some sort of healing move

[vivid forum]

I don't think there would be such a big deal made out of law's ability to gift immortality at cost of his own life if it wasn't going to come into play at some point

ohh, actually crybaby mermaid has a pretty good shot as well

[weak arrow]

Since ability is known to exist, we know that it's been used on someone in the past.

So that person could come into play

Law is never going to use that ability on anyone.

[amber oar]

It has already come into play. The DF triggered all of the Cora incident, the DF is why Doflamingo wanted Law under his thumb.

[vivid forum]

I guess that's true, wg throne sitter is likely in that case huh

[modest skiff]

I think its possible they just need to remain entirely secret. Or is it just Imu who is supposed to be entirely secret? If the 5 elders are not known to Reverie, it is conceivable they just wanted to remain entirely secret

[amber oar]

The 5 elders are known for the world. They communicated directly with Ohara before the booster call. And if I'm not wrong, king Cobra requested an audience with them

[modest skiff]

I know this topic has been discussed before, but this is the first time I've heard this point, which is surprising. Whitebeard knowing he has a son but abandoning him would make zero sense.

[gusty needle]

Maybe someone in elbaf is immortal

[modest skiff]

Oh right, thank you @amber oar . So then yeah I don't think the elders are strong with the possible exception of the samurai guy. I think it is possible the samurai is some kinda Wano betrayer and he is their guardian.

[ancient vault]

Whos guardian

[ancient vault]

I remember someone else saying it might be about inherited will?

I think that was @ember trench like a year ago

[modest skiff]

I mean maybe the sword dude is the only strong one among the elders and thus is able to protect the other ones

[modest skiff]

The only thing that makes me like 30% believe the 3 souls/wills thing is that they say "I think". It makes me feel like they can sense competing or cohabitating wills. They should be more confident in his crew being there. For it to be something that seems to almost be a gut feeling, I do think the 3 presences within BB makes sense. My only other explanation for the 3 faces on the flag is that his master plan involves 3 devil fruits and it has been the plan for a long time

[modest skiff]

I don't think this is accurate. All we know is that it shows up to help and that it can only appear when a ship is deeply loved. But I don't think it only shows up near the end of a ship's life

[ember trench]

Who pinged me

[copper frost]

Swrml

[vivid forum]

I think the story was that it shows up when the ship is in great danger. in merry's case that was at the end of her life due to not being able to be maintained, sunny's case would likely be different since franky would never let her deteriorate that far

[modest skiff]

I think rather than that, the feelings from Usopp and the other crew mates began to build as the sunny got closer to death. We are only ever told it is a function of love/admiration, not death

[muted ember]

If I'm not mistaken the only conditions for one to appear is that the crew cares greatly for the ship

[pure raven]

how come the world government has never went hard trying to capture luffy? you'd figure they would think he warrants more attention since he's son of dragon, openly bears the name of D, wears a strawhat, and has conqueror's haki.

[modest skiff]

yeah that's my understanding as well tray

[muted ember]

It doesn't have to be dying

[pure raven]

govt cares more about capturing robin for some reason, idk if luffy being garp grandson's excuses him enough

[muted ember]

Sunny probably doesn't have one bc it hasn't been long enough yet ig

[vivid forum]

for distinction: I meant even if a ship has one it won't normally show up, it shows up to warn the crew of impending danger

[modest skiff]

my theory is that Shanks makes deals with the elders to keep them off Luffy's back in exchange for information/cooperation. I think Shanks makes it seem like he is feeding the elders good/up to date information, but in reality he is just buying time for Luffy to get strong. So I think the elders think Shanks is a double agent of sorts but he really isn't

[frosty horizon]

Because zoro seems more driven to become the greatest swordsman than luffy wanting to be the king of the pirates, do you think zoro's conquorors haki will be stronger?

[modest skiff]

I disagree with your premise. I think they have comparable/equal desires to achieve their dreams

[muted ember]

Maybe only Kuma can see Sunny's since he spent the most time w the ship lol

[modest skiff]

that's cool. never occurred to me Kuma spent the most time with the ship

[frosty horizon]

Zoro has been prepared to work as hard as possible and refuses death as a possibility ( except when he covered luffy in thriller bark) while luffy just openly accepted his fate In lougetown with no signs of resistance

[muted ember]

Yea and he's probably more caring than he let on

[modest skiff]

Luffy has openly said if he dies while pursuing his dream, nothing bad has happened. Him and Zoro are both equally willing to die for their dream

[pure raven]

I was thinking they want Luffy to find One Piece, or maybe they know there's no stopping him since it's destiny. I like your theory, it would tip the scales if the government secretly has a yonko working for them.

[frosty horizon]

Oh I see now, btw what are our opinions on the theory that Im had the eternal surgery done on him?

[modest skiff]

I think Imu, Mihawk and the purple seaking all had the surgery and that's why all 3 have the goofy eyes

[frosty horizon]

lmao

[modest skiff]

never mind, not purple. Black'ish. It seems odd to me that one of them would be drawn with such different eyes and for those eyes to be so similar to mihawk and imu

[sharp anvil]

Forgetting Cavendish

[modest skiff]

oh hey you're totally right. Well, that certainly throws a giant wrench in my theory. Hmmm. For anyone else wondering, I looked up pictures of Cavendish and found this from the anime. His eyes don't normally look like that, but they do when he transforms. Hmmmm.

and Zunesha...Hmmmmmm. Everything except the Cavendish transformation is consistent with "potentially immortal beings have the weird eyes". But we don't know the nature of Cavendish's transformation. Maybe Cavendish inherited some kind of immortal soul of a brutal killer swordsmen? Maybe the spirit of his transformation is what is immortal, but Cavendish isn't.

[muted valley]

@muted ember
Yo! You were talking about the Shanks cover story wedding right?

I think I know who it was.

Lola's. She just got hitched to beges right hand man. Shanks was at a "certain ruined island" which sounds like dressrosa or the one Bartholomew was at. We know she was around that area.

Also cactus were at island so no dressrossa my b

Or it was Loki since he was foreshadowed for a wedding.

But the "a certain ruined island" is important to it all.

[muted ember]

I think u may have solved it lol

[muted valley]

Wonder if if is elbaf due to the size of the cacti

[muted ember]

Oh nvm

[muted valley]

But elbaf had no cacti, unless it has multi zones

[muted ember]

Alabasta or Whiskey Peak maybe?

[muted valley]

Would he be in the east blue...?

He did go to marijoise but that can be done from the new world

[pure raven]

it reminds me of koalas home town that fisher tiger brought her back to

[muted valley]

Nice catch

[modest skiff]

really good catch. Also I think the cacti are too small to be what i would expect of Elbaf. I'm just assuming everything on Elbaf is freakishly gigantic

[muted valley]

We did see elbaf too woth BM flashback

[abstract pond]

I have the feeling is from the Mexican kingdom https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/d/df/Tacos_Anime_Concept_Art.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/560?cb=20190729122744

Because of the cactus mostly

[ancient vault]

I did. I remember you talking about how "they" in the blackbeard scene may have referred to inherited wills inside of blackbeard
Because in the panels before that they were talking about how luffy inherited shanks and aces will kind of or sth like that

[muted valley]

Was there anything stated about a war there?

[ember trench]

Yeah there’s something else about that line. Dunno about the inherited will stuff, that was just an idea.

[ancient vault]

we have these eyes everywhere. From Robin to Big Mom even Monet had them I think

[ancient vault]

alright

[modest skiff]

Those specific eyes? I don't remember BM or Robin having them. Different eyes, but the same as the others?

[ancient vault]

Robin in alabasta when shes mad. Big Mom in hungry mode

[modest skiff]

do you mean this?

[muted valley]

I've noticed with eyes, when the characters get the circles around the pupil, it dictates their will.

[ancient vault]

nah we've seen her with these actual eyes

[modest skiff]

hmmm...any chance you know roughly which chapters so I can look at em?

[ancient vault]

I think it was around fishman island. Im looking for them rn

[modest skiff]

ah ok cool ty ❤️

[rapid fern]

I don’t think Oda would get us this much details though

[ancient vault]

Robin

caribou

[modest skiff]

oh wow, yeah you're right. Well then what the heck is up with the eyes.. maybe its just a huge nothing burger

[muted valley]

Watch the characters, they get the circles when they are serious. Oda puts alot of attention to the eyes and what it means for the character and mental state.

Been that way since romance dawn

[ancient vault]

pudding too

[muted valley]

Prolly just what I said, it's an emphasis on mental state

[rapid fern]

Ain’t it just mean they are focusing?

[ancient vault]

oda uses them a lot to potray suspension and drama (I cant find the bm one rn but u get the point I think)

[ancient vault]

Yup, I think even Luffy had them at some point

[modest skiff]

that's not quite the same since it has less layers, but you're right that it is fairly widely used

[ancient vault]

For some its permanent. Like Mihawk or even caribou I think but for example for zunesha we dont know if its permanent or just in this moment

[muted valley]

"Their will" as in what they are doing/trying to accomplish, their mental state, ect...

It's been that way since the start, where eyes change depending on what is going on. It is for all Charaters. It's a emphasis on the characters mental game.

[ancient vault]

It was when mother carmel potrait broke

[muted valley]

I don't remember luffy getting the triple circle eyes, but Def with some characters it is permanent like Mihawk.

[rapid fern]

I don’t think it’s that deep though, pupils shapes are just visual expression, “their will” made sense a bit but not much imo

[abstract pond]

I don't remember anything about it tbh

[ancient vault]

its to create suspension and drama as I said.
Look at this when Big Mom uses life or death

Oda even changed her eye color just for it

[rapid fern]

“a will” is a big word for such normal matters imo. Visual expression is a much better term

[muted valley]

Go and start from romance dawn, it litterally happens to nearly every character at some point. Always flailing up.

You're thinking "will" as a different thing thing than me. Will is an expression of their head space and what they are going to do

Will in one of the most basic definitions is "used to express a command, exhortation, or injunction"

Which that's not the best, but it's the person's desire to control over the situation at the time.

[rapid fern]

Those words in Japanese have different wording for it. A Will in Japanese is much heavier than this definition

Well, you’re right in you POV though if you use will in English

[muted valley]

I'm speaking English, I'm not talking about the narrative connotations of Will throughout the story.

I said your looking at "will" differently than I am. I am using it in the most basic terms.

[rapid fern]

Oda is Japanese though, so i think Oda wouldn’t think about such heavy term for such eyes expression

[pure raven]

I think people might misinterpret this scene. instead of all the crazy blackbeard theories about multiple souls and stuff it might jsut be that luffy and zoro noticed that the rest of black beards crew were also nearby

[modest skiff]

“I think” makes it a question mark IMO. If he doesn’t get multiple fruits through the use of the Yami, nothing else makes sense. The panel is very vague. Feels intentionally so

[sand sail]

The panel is indeed vague, but it's got nothing to do with any hidden quality of Blackbeard's beyond his crew. It would be fairly against the series logic to have Zoro or Luffy notice anything that like at the time

[long vault]

If the theory that Blackbeard originally ate the Cerberus devil fruit is true, then maybe he got multiple devil fruits from his different heads eating different devil fruits. It would explain why he hid himself when he was stealing Whitebeard's devil fruit.

[pure raven]

Yeah I don't believe in the multiple souls crap lol

[pure raven]

that wouldnt make sense becauyse if thats true then orochi would have the same power

[long vault]

I guess, although it could be something unique to the Cerberus devil fruit.

[pure raven]

I dont attribute blackbeards unique power to some spiritual or biological thing like multiple souls or he absorbed his sisers in the womb or something. I think blackbeard is just a smart sceheming guy and due to his background of researching history has discovered a lost technique of devil fruits.

[long vault]

I feel like there's definitely something strange about his body tho. Was it not mentioned that no one has ever seen him sleep? I think that's probably very significant.

[pure raven]

wrong chat lol

[modest skiff]

But what would a cerberus, a teapot and a sword have in common? If some specific organ was necessary, a sword couldn't. So it has to be something beyond biological.

@sand sail I agree it would be way beyond their capability at the time. But my extremely generous interpretation (still not convinced 3 BB personality thing) is that they had some weird feeling like they were looking at 3 different wills but weren't able to explain what they really felt. Some kinda gut instinct but not like "I sense the presence of 3 souls" or anything like that. Again, very generous interpretation. But maybe

[long vault]

What do you mean by a teapot and a sword? I might be misremembering something.

[modest skiff]

If a teapot and a sword can use a devil fruit, and neither of them have any organs, you must not need an organ. Like it can’t be that you need a heart or a brain or a stomach, which are common theories regarding BB. But inanimate objects can be given wills/souls by being loved or cared for or used a lot, such as Enma, Merry and apparently the teapot sukiyaki gave a devil fruit

[sand sail]

Well, the problem is more so that they don't really have a unique sense beyond the capabilities of other folks in the series. It'd be strange for them to sense it, but not everyone at Marineford for example, or for Sengoku or Tsuru to be unable to piece together exactly what it is in that case

[modest skiff]

Yeah, I agree, I think there just aren’t any BB theories that make sense yet

[near osprey]

I mean him inheriting Xebec's Will makes the most sense.

[sand sail]

Inheriting will is just a matter of being motivated by the same thing, it's not like a tangible phenomenon

[near osprey]

Yeah but not only does he run Fullalead his ships name as well, so he's got a connection to Xebec

Maybe he was a fan boy who knows but I'm sure once we get Blackbeard's Backstory I feel certain Xebec would show up in some capacity.

[proven sand]

I don’t know if this counts as a theory but I think Brook’s big fight in the final fight with the marines might be Onigumo. As established in fishman island brook really doesn’t like people who take lives for no real reason. Which is something Onigumo does he shot a man because he questioned his orders. Of course I could be wrong. Also I’m sorry if I made a spelling mistake or punctuation error I’m not the best at writing and stuff

Also they are both use swords but I know that isn’t a big piece of evidence

[pure raven]

Shakky was the right hand of xebec that’s my hypothesis

[muted valley]

We have seen multiple personalities in a person though. Cavendish hosts 2 people technically.

I wont go into it, but it's been stated BB has a unique and wierd body multiple times, we know he doesn't sleep.

Also his plans do rely on fate and cunning to some extent. But I'd wager it's more on fate for it working than outright smarts. Like if Luffy didn't cause the uproar in impel down BB never would have been able to do what he did. His plans relied on him getting the yami yami, then becoming a shibukai, but that didn't grant him access to impel down. He likley did it to consolidate power and grow without having to worry about the navy, just like half the other warlords did, doffy, buggy, crocodile, Navy.

Him beating WB likley never would have happened for a while if it wasn't for marineford going on and WB tanking everything and subcomming to his age. He still would have beat WB eventually but it would likley be after time progressed and WB got weaker as he got stronger. (Since that's the logic course of action to beat wb).

[pure raven]

Id wager that hakuba is due to cavendishs sword now that we know more about how cursed swords work not that durandel is confirmed to be a cursed sword but it seems hakuba shows traits similar to other cursed swords in that they crave bloodshed and try to control the user

[runic osprey]

Maybe the sword easily gets control over cavendish once he is asleep

[ancient vault]

Just a sidenote. Being a shichibukai does grant him access to impel down. Youre right tho ok the other part. Without luffy he wouldnt have gotten those prisoners out of there

[pure raven]

Man wouldn't it be bomb if aokiji somehow shows up at wano

He's my fav admiral I wish he makes an entry

Ex admiral

[crude spear]

theory: it's gonna be revealed that sce and Luffy are related, because we'll find out monkey d dragon is related to gold roger

[jade moon]

It’s not theory it’s a prediction

[muted valley]

Not it doesn't, it was stated more than once.

They stated it more than once, when Boa got permission, when she arrived Impel Down staff reaffirmed it is not allowed normally. When BB arrived they said he isn't allowed without permission from Navy/wg.

Boa got the go ahead because of the war.

They don't trust shibuckai as they are pirates and are only in the position for power against the pirate threat. So they don't want them to go in and hurt the Navy.

Jinbie didn't go in when he got the position, he had Arlong released as part of his perks.

[ancient vault]

Obviously with the permission but I thought with BB they told him they just need confirmation from the WG. I thought they can ask for granted access obviously with seastone cuffs etc.

Why did they even allow Hancock in? What was her reasoning again?

[obtuse gazelle]

Seeing Ace to give them a hand in the war against Whitebeard

[muted valley]

To see Ace, as for her to join the fight, she wanted to see the criminal that has forced her to join a mandatory battle if she didn't want her position revoked.

[ancient vault]

Im just wondering why they would allow her to see ace lol
They have no connection what so ever

[muted valley]

Because she was the most unwilling shibukai

[ancient vault]

just make clear to her if she refuses to help her country is being buster called lol

[muted valley]

And she would have gave up her position. But they wanted her power for the war.

[obtuse gazelle]

If the WG was smart they wouldn’t allow any visits from the Shichibukai whatsoever

[ancient vault]

if she can get into impel down by simply asking to see ace I dont really think shichibukais have any boundaries stopping them with a good enough excuse. But well if it was stated otherwise then ig it is so

[muted valley]

A war with WB was about to go down, the Navy was freaking out because it was a iffy battle for them and needed as much power as possible.

[obtuse gazelle]

Her request was met with refusal at first. But momonga cave in after his subordinates were turned to stone.

[muted valley]

No, it wasn't that.

[ancient vault]

Reminding her that her country is getting deleted if she doesnt come should be enough considering she only joined cause she didnt want the WG on her country

[muted valley]

She refused at first, she met luffy then asked for the request to see ace.

You remember her saying she doesn't care..?

[ancient vault]

She can care after her nation is wiped out

[muted valley]

It wasn't till luffy that she would join the war to help luffy get in impel down

[obtuse gazelle]

Yeah but I’m talking about the request to see Ace. It wasn’t accepted at first, and she turned his subordinates to stone, he was about to turn to stone as well if he didn’t stab his hand.

[ancient vault]

I'd understand with Mihawk cause he was literally lazy and didnt care. He just joined cause he wanted to look for swordsman in peace

[muted valley]

That was before luffy

She litterally turned the Navy to stone when they wanted a talk, and she went back to Amazon Lily and momonga said he'd wait for her answer by X date.

[ancient vault]

Im just saying the request wouldnt have to be granted. It was kinda just plot if you think about it. Momonga couldve easily reminded her that her nation wont exist in a few days anymore if she doesnt come and if she still refuses she would see the consequences
Turn fodder into stone whatever. Thats not my point

[muted valley]

Remember the recent chapter when the shibuckai were removed? As koby was on a ship outside of amaz9n Lily, she wasn't to phased about having them outside the island. She stated they are strong.

She still didn't think of the Navy as a threat

Elder Nyon tried to reason with her to uphold her duties for WG and the island, and Boa refused.

[ancient vault]

Nah, she did. That was literally the only reason why she joined the Warlords.
What she was talking about was the Kuja Pirates

[ancient vault]

"US" is the kuja PIRATES. Not the normal inhabitants. Also Oda has mentioned her in the jump festa next to sabo and vivi so sth happened to her. WOuldnt be surprised if she lost

[muted valley]

She did to limit attacks from the Navy, but it was stated multiple times she has 0 desire to work with the WG at all. That she was fine revoking her position.

Show the jump festival

She also became a shibuckai after 1 pirating campaign. Due to the threat she was.

Also we saw by the Amazon lily arc that she was uncaring to her people. That she really didn't care because she was pretty and had a ice heart.

Luffy changed her to be caring again

Also found a translation of what you were referring too, Oda said "Sabo will!!!, ViVi will!!!, Hancock will!!! AHHHHHH!"

Just saying major events take place with the characters. We have an idea with Sabo and something with the Nefertiti kingdom. But Nothing in stone. Usually these events defy our expectations and imaginations.

She could be captured but Really doubt that is what will happen. The Kuja pirates were always at Amazon lily even before Boa became a shibuakai.

[ancient vault]

Also we saw by the Amazon lily arc that she was uncaring to her people. That she really didn't care because she was pretty and had a ice heart.

THats just the image she gives off. Pretty sure that was stated in the arc. SHe still cares for the country

[robust sierra]

go for it

[tribal roost]

why not

[ancient vault]

We see "WAAHH" sfx throughout the entire arc. Is every single character no pregnant or what? You cherry picked this specific panel. Also "WAAHH" is used a sfx when suffering from pain and screaming cause of it fitting in a war

[modest skiff]

Is this the same waaah? It’s just a couple panels over

I do like the idea of Ace having a baby with someone ice themed though

[ancient vault]

go through MF. You'll find a dozen more

[modest skiff]

This is something I want to believe, but have a hard time believing. Fun theory and I hope it’s true but probably not. The only thing making me a bit more open to it is the wah over the stomach but it’s a stretch

LOL he’s saying MF as in marine ford

He’s saying “go read through marine ford and you will find other wahs

I do agree wah is not what ice sounds like. Is wah used as a sound effect at any other times?

[hollow grotto]

'wahh' is used as a wail in manga

[modest skiff]

Let’s wait and see if Swrml finds the other wahs in the arc. We all agree wahhh is a baby sound but it’s unclear if that’s the implication here, if Swrml is right about it being other places

[hollow grotto]

it's also used to describe the sounds of a baby, both apply

[modest skiff]

I do agree this doesn’t feel totally baseless. And Oda would never be clear about something like this. He knows we read everything extremely detailed. If he was to hide something this big, he would make it incredibly subtle

But it is fair to point out this isn’t conclusive

[hollow grotto]

ahh, another one of Oda's infamous 'leave it up to your own interpretation' theories They're plausible but provide nothing relevant to the story beyond the possibility it means X

oh yeah for sure

I'm looking forward to Whitey Bay, possibly with Marco

and the other remnants after Wano, of course

defeat kaidou arc?

ah yeah, right- you think Whitey Bay is coming to Wano then?

I wonder if Oda's ever going to bring back that 'favourite island' of his, given that anime-only people would be so confused if the Road Poneglyph wasn't on Wano at all

It's a bit presumptious to make that claim since we don't know if it isn't on Onigashima, but I do like the idea that it is on that island. The only negative I see is that implies we have to go to Kaido's favourite island, meaning another detour, though sometimes those detours can be the best arcs so I'm not sure how I'd feel if that's true

The focus of the story right now doesn't seem like it'd have time to fit that in unless it's dumped at the end of Wano, so we'll just have to see what post-Wano lore dumps we get

the best part of every arc of course

post-Enies Lobby, post-Marineford ect.

It's too late for them to all come back and start battling it out again unless Oda really wants to extend this shit for another 100 chapters

[copper frost]

we're going through the enies lobby phase, which is the raid on onigashima, like the raid on enies lobby

[hollow grotto]

I would like that, but I doubt it given chapter length in Wano right now is already at the top

[copper frost]

ye it would still be wano

[hollow grotto]

They haven't been differentiated as "Wano" and "Onigashima", it's an Act structure that encompasses both

[copper frost]

enies lobby and water 7 arent divided into acts that maintain the entire affair to be not of separate arcs lol

[hollow grotto]

referencing the Kabuki play structure of a story, which is a nice little touch

[novel wolf]

I got my fingers crossed for the kid

I am with you on this brills

[hollow grotto]

harsh

[copper frost]

no, you're insinuating they're different because of how you brought up enies lobby and water 7

[hollow grotto]

I'm with you on this

[copper frost]

lol

this is a waste of time i'm just gonna leave you to this

lol

its the narration box man lol its so blatant its literally the text, in bold

[hollow grotto]

I don't doubt they could come back, but would it be a good decision to do that? At this point, no

yes, I will believe what I want to believe

very cool

[copper frost]

its not even about believing what we want but its about actually reading what was said in the actual manga man

if the blatant narration in bold doesnt convince you otherwise 40 chapters into this raid with victory approaching the horizon and everything reaching a crescendo, then yeah sure we will believe what we want

[modest skiff]

We don’t know they are awakened. You are making some assumptions there. We also don’t know exactly how long an awakened zoan takes to recover. It is possible they come back, but the level of certainty you are conveying isn’t justified. The narration makes it seem more likely they don’t come back during the raid. The fact of the matter is we don’t know the specifics around awakened zoans and we don’t have evidence they are awakened here

I hope they come back, because it would make this arc totally bonkers, but I doubt it

But I also don’t think arc length is an argument against awakening zoans. Oda will do as he pleases and this could really just be a like 200 chapter arc lol

[copper frost]

as much as people want them to, their own overconfidence beat them at their game, even if they had awakening on them, this would make the conflict we have at the point too much more muddled, we've already gotten streamlined into what we have with the 1v1s reaching a point where we're seeing decisive victories for strawhats and huge powerups in their hands, having just the main fights of the arc to be done, bringing an element causing chaos at this juncture would be too much even for oda to handle

[modest skiff]

yeah, i agree

[ancient vault]

Its even in wano @sharp imp youre nitpicking

[modest skiff]

It isn't reasonable to say any powerful zoan after Impel Down is awakened. Every paramecia after doffy isn't awakened. No one is saying this is impossible. But you are saying this is no matter what true. That is silly. This is a loose theory but you are saying it is certain.

[ancient vault]

Bruh just go through the chapters im to lazy to look them up. 😭 The latest one i remember is orochi cry and fuku running away after he was cut.

[modest skiff]

Don't take criticism of theories as us being mean, brills. The point of this channel is for people to suggest and critique theories. Us not agreeing with you is not us rejecting your work, it is the point of the channel. Lots of my theories have been debunked here. It isn't mean or something, just the nature of making theories

[copper frost]

look dude, there's literally a timeframe we have right now before a floating nuclear bomb drops on the flower capital

if you're really gonna be hostile, might not as well expect a fucking response from people

dont be mean and people will engage with you, not this shit you're pulling here

[modest skiff]

Brills, you've been pretty hostile a lot of this conversation

[ancient vault]

Im not even writing 😭

Well you are

[unreal prawn]

Let’s all be friends y’all

[copper frost]

in spite of given evidence, there's been no semblance of actual measured response and blatantly stupid statements asking us to "believe what we want" or not knowing "what manga you're reading"

[modest skiff]

Brills, do you mind if we drop this topic and move on to other ones? This is drifting into a personal thing rather than a theory thing

[ancient vault]

Also when did viz stop to typeset the entire sfx and just adding the translation underneath it

Hardh what was the website with the raws again

[copper frost]

manga1001

[ancient vault]

Seems like it is down?

[copper frost]

is it? working fine for me

[ancient vault]

Maybe its just my phone mhm

[modest skiff]

reading manga on phone that's determination

[copper frost]

which chapter do you want the panels from, swrml?

[pine delta]

why are you using rips when you could be reading on the official app for 2$ a month?

[ancient vault]

Gimme a sec

[copper frost]

japanese raws phil

[modest skiff]

swrml if you are trying to access from a public wifi, such as a school library, websites will often activate security features like that

[ancient vault]

nah im from home

[modest skiff]

Feel free to post it!

[ancient vault]

u north americans are annoying smh
Viz doesnt exist in europe

[mint prairie]

Because I'm poor.

[modest skiff]

then steph will go to chipotle and ask for quac rather than buy viz smh

[copper frost]

chapter 556? yeah just a sec

[pine delta]

anyway, on the topic of theories,

It feels to me Wano will be a ''defeat" where the WG steps in and takes over wano. however I don't know how this will happen in a way that is satisfying from a storytelling perspective. currently i have that kaido and big mom are defeated enough to the point they flee and abandon their crews, with all crews on the island losing their strongest members and forced to flee from an invading WG force. Straw hats flee to elbaf at shanks invitation leading to a regroup and then to raftel etc. however, that leaves wano in a weird spot where its shogun will be captured by WG unless he abandons his people. also its weird to me how the WG can practically teleport an army to wano at a moments notice. Anyone have any thoughts on any of that?

[copper frost]

@ancient vault

[ancient vault]

Ha i knew it.

[ancient vault]

Stephen changed thr translation from WAAHH to RAAHHH post TS.

The characters in japanese are the same

your hard evidence was the sfx

[modest skiff]

I can imagine no situation where Luffy walks away from Wano after the commitments he has made with the minks and momo. They formally declared an alliance. Either Luffy dies in Wano or Luffy liberates Wano

[copper frost]

556

[ancient vault]

postnthe panel with the baby ace

[copper frost]

was it 556 brills? lemme check the actual panel

[ancient vault]

Just to explain to you. The sfx means RAAHHH and tis different characters in japanese

Its literally just screams and noise from war. THe baby WAHHH is different from the SFX

Youre coping hard rn cause I was right

[modest skiff]

@sharp imp are you saying this panel is also alluding to ace having a baby due to the wah?

[pine delta]

Me too, but why else would the WG start to make moves on wano if they will just be blown out? it looks like setup that some warlords are beaten / luffys crisis hour to start the final saga of the series at the fever pitch

it would be very odd if the WG importance, which has been steadily growing over the course of the entire wano arc, is just dealt with as an afterthought at the end

[ancient vault]

Why are you coping so hard rn. Your entire theory was based on the "Wahhh" from baby ace being the same "Wahh" from the SFX in WhiteyBay panel.

I just explained to you how these two are different and in fact the SFX from whiteBay isnt even a WAHHH

[pine delta]

i wouldnt mind it at all tbh but I feel oda is cooking up something

if a major plot theory is based on SFX you just may be reaching

[modest skiff]

I don't think "The WG are doing something, so it must be successful" is good logic based on the events we have seen so far. Something else could come of this other than them taking over Wano. It doesn't need to be as simple as "try to do x, accomplish x". The BM pirates that haven't fought yet by themselves are enough to dispatch the WG ships on their way

[ancient vault]

You were going off on me not posting panels. I did and now what? They dont matter anymore lol

[modest skiff]

How about lets discuss Phil's theory instead?

This conversation has run its course

[ancient vault]

So now that's out of the way the main theory:

So basically i believe ace has a kid. The reason for this stems from ch 556

This chapter was called justice will prevail. It showed alot of character moments for garp and the overall idea if right and wrong in the story.

We specifically see garp remembering holding ace as a baby. And we see the sfx of a baby

Most of you know that a baby makes the sound "waaah" when crying or an explosion is usually "boom" these are common staples in sound effects that we all just know.

Then in the panel just before this like pretty much 1 or 2 panels before. We see whitey bay break through a sheet of rock and ice.

And the sfx oda uses for this is "waaah". This is before garp starts flashbacking so it's not part of the flashback.

We see her dialogue bubble is perfectly and weirdly centred where her stomach/womb is. And the dialogue bubble points to the sfx "waah"

I think this is a tease to the fact that she was actually pregnant during this war. If you actually notice she never once fought anyone during the battle.

[modest skiff]

Or Brills, how about post your greenbull theory instead of talking about the ace baby?

[ancient vault]

This was your theory. And its pretty clear what your arguments were.

[pine delta]

I' not discussing your theory, just a stray point that SFX is a valid form of evidence but it's probably the weakest possible evidence the series has to offer

[ancient vault]

That is not evidence for a kid existing tho

[pine delta]

true. im basing my thoughts more on narrarative structure of the series, and how it feels like the perfect time to transition from emperors are the big threat, emperor saga -> WG is the big threat, final saga. although, the final saga is the final showdown with blackbeard, so perhaps he will play a role. I'm trying to think of a way the WG can display power relevance and establish themselves, if they just kind of make vague threats and then get defeated easily and without consequence it kind of deflates them as a threat

maybe wano is claimed by luffy and he formally declares himself as a yonko, protecting it from WG while also transitioning us into endgame? But It feels he and the crew will be at the end of their rope at the end of the arc

[copper frost]

he posted it and he's having an active conversation here tho with mohdoo who's responding to his theory about WG coming to wano lol

[mint prairie]

Whitey Bay my beloved.

[ancient vault]

Most of you know that a baby makes the sound "waaah" when crying or an explosion is usually "boom" these are common staples in sound effects that we all just know.

Yes baby wahh. If you look at the japanese characters in questions tho theyre different from the SFX

Then in the panel just before this like pretty much 1 or 2 panels before. We see whitey bay break through a sheet of rock and ice.

And the sfx oda uses for this is "waaah". This is before garp starts flashbacking so it's not part of the flashback.

Problem here is. Youre wrong. This waahh might as well be translated as RAAHH as it is in newer chapters even though the characters are the same in** PRE TS AND POST TS.** Theres no correlation. If stephen had started earlier to translate those characters as **RAAHH **and not WAHHH your theory would not exist. This is also not comparable to previous foreshadowing cause it has no correlation.

We see her dialogue bubble is perfectly and weirdly centred where her stomach/womb is. And the dialogue bubble points to the sfx "waah"

There was no other place to put the SFX. If he put it other where it wouldve blocked her face or her outfit

[modest skiff]

Personally I am taking the opposite perspective. I think we have been seeing the WG "Stock" on the decline for the past few arcs. It has already been established that yonkos are a major threat to the navy and that they rely on yonkos fighting each other for the navy to even exist. I view the Wano arc as the dying breath of navy relevance. While I do think the CDs and the navy will manage to do something more in the future, it really feels like their dominance is dwindling. Once Luffy defeats Kaido, where does that leave the navy? I honestly think the straw hats will be moving on to bigger and better things rather than the navy after wano

[copper frost]

this is what he posted

[ancient vault]

Aight lets move on to phils theory

[copper frost]

?

[pine delta]

Very true. The only thing i can come up with to be a counter point would be the open ended WG confronting warlords chapter (which, imho could just back up your point if the warlords survive that unscathed) and we still don't know the result of the reverie (which could just be settiing up revolutionaries vs WG and some other plot points, not necessarily WG relevance)

[copper frost]

thats what a... theory is... speculating...

[pine delta]

isn't all manga theories just speculation? I'm just looking at the broad structure of the one piece story and trying to figure out the next steps after wano

[ancient vault]

@pine delta I discussed this some days ago how the timeline doesnt add up with how fast the WG ships are in wano even though noone except kaido fuku and orochi knew about the raid and even then they never thought the alliance could beat big mom and kaido

[modest skiff]

In general speculation can go either way. For example, we ask that people not post "who will join straw hats" in the theories channel. But speculation like Phil's is fine, especially since we are trying to get away from the previous topic

[ancient vault]

Someone said that the ships mightve been nearby and ig I cant really say anything against that. Just lucky coincidence ig

[modest skiff]

no one is stopping you, brills, feel free to post it

[pine delta]

It would feel almost too coincidental for WG ships to be nearby, but i can see it happening. the bigger issue with it is how would those random ships A) get into wano (its known to be difficult to enter as a baseline) B) get into wano in like the next 20 minutes and C) somehow make their way onto the floating island

[ancient vault]

They could simply use the port they used before with orochis help

[pine delta]

Completely forgot about this, you're correct.

[ancient vault]

I think the floating island is down before they arrive

[modest skiff]

The big thing for me is the BM pirates. I don't think the WG pirates could defeat the BM pirates that are currently at max HP. Even if Luffy and Kaido both lose, they have enough in their tanks to handle the WG. They are particularly good in sea fights as well

My favorite outcome is onigashima landing on the WG fleet as it arrives. The island landing near the whirlpools makes it easier to open wano, the WG fleet gets completely dumpstered

[ancient vault]

I think they could depending on whos on the ship. (Maybe an admiral) since they work directly for the CD and WG (gorosei are also CD im sure)

[ancient vault]

mhm the island destroying the whirlpools sounds like a cool idea

[pine delta]

we still haven't seen the "navys scientific weapon"

[copper frost]

This looks like they're just outside Wano

[ancient vault]

you mean the SSG

[copper frost]

So it's going to take quite some amount of time for them to actually get up there if this is the case

[modest skiff]

Conclusion of one of the theories I posted before: Vegapunk made the new science weapons so that he could double cross the WG and join the rev army. The rev army only declared war when they did because the new robots are ready, vegapunk will switch sides, and now the rev army has a fighting chance, so NOW they declare war

[pine delta]

This is pretty based. WG would get pretty blown out in this scenario

[modest skiff]

We saw weather patterns similar to this when the straw hats first entered the new world, right?

[copper frost]

Getting to the Flower Capital here in any case is uh pretty time consuming

[modest skiff]

I don't know if that emoji you guys reacted with is a good or bad reaction lol ;_;

[pine delta]

im trying to think of a scenario thats a middle ground that still makes WG look threatning but also has straw hats on top because i think its too early for oda to write them off like that.

It was a good reaction it makes sense to me imho

[ancient vault]

the port?

[copper frost]

Even with the port, they don't really land outside the flower capital iirc

[modest skiff]

The CDs can still be threatening, perhaps without the WG/navy. 3 admirals and Akainu are still strong. But I still think the CDs are able to control the water level of the planet and that will be their ultimate threat

[ancient vault]

!wanomap

[lone hedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/486983010025996299/698548097428619304/Wano_Map.png

[ancient vault]

damn it doesnt show. But I think they leand in hakumai

[pine delta]

i think the events of the reverie are gonna lead directly into the next saga and kickstart the final plotline, unknown as that all may be, because it doesn't make sense for oda to cliff hanger us directly before wano unless it comes into play directly after. Based of these points I can believe that the reveries actions by itself are enough to transition us into the next arcs without needing a wano defeat

[modest skiff]

never mind you said its based, so it must be a good reaction ^_^ lol

[mint prairie]

I don't know if I should write it here, given I have no meat to back up anything, but here goes nothing.

The God Valley Incident took place 38 years ago. Buggy and Shanks are both confirmed to be 39 years old, Shanks seemingly older than Buggy by 5 months (otherwise Buggy would be older by 7 months), thus being younger than 2 years old during the God Valley Incident. Garp and Roger are said to have protected the Celestial Dragons and their slaves. Roger would later go on to say it's been a while since they had kids on the ship.

Given Shanks and Buggy have explicitly opposite hair colours (Red v. Blue) and them being always close despite their quarrels, I am lead to believe they are not related to anyone in particular (e.g. Rocks D. Shanks) but rather they were offspring to Celestial Dragons (potentially half-brothers) and slaves. As a result, being slave children would make them disposable and not "worthy" of saving or giving them the same treatment as the world nobles. I think it would thematically fit both Buggy being a loser prick that gets curb stomped by anything and anyone yet keeping positions of power and Shanks being able to stroll into Mary Geoise seemingly unbothered by the entirety of the World Government despite being a Yonkou.

[ancient vault]

Mogura Port

[ancient vault]

Never seen someone say Buggy is a CDs child lol

[ancient vault]

Hopefulyl its a REVO mini arc to set them up for the final war

[chilly dragon]

They're gonna run into Big Mom's ship

[modest skiff]

So you're saying half slave half CD? This would only work for me if they were the offspring of a high profile CD. I would think any normal CD wouldn't be enough to make a slave child worth keeping

[pine delta]

I agree that they could be brothers and all the points but I think it is even more damning that they are the children of Rocks himself. a lot of the timelines match up and it would be a good setup for Garp not wanting to make the mistake of an orphan going off with a pirate (when he raises ace). buggy being a former slave seems like it would've been brought up by now

[copper frost]

Not even the BM pirates know the actual method to get up there other than through the waterfall so there's a decent chance they mostly likely don't know how to use the mogura port

[ancient vault]

But the WG should know as long as someone is on the ship that knows

[modest skiff]

feel free to post whatever you want whenever you want, but i can't guarantee it will have people's attention if they are already discussing something else

[pine delta]

i would counter that roger would've picked them up just for being orphans. heroic characters like roger / bellemere wouldn't care if a child was a peasant let alone a half CD

[mint prairie]

@modest skiff@pine delta Those are some interesting points you're raising, thank you for reading.

[elfin hare]

has anyone notice how the bara bara no mi yomi yomi no mi has the same stem buggys and blackbeard devil fruits

[copper frost]

Yeah that's the assumption now, that someone who knows and has the permission to do that is on the ship and there's a really decent chance it's not the case, more than likely imo

[modest skiff]

If you want people's attention, i recommend waiting until conversation fizzles out. this channel isn't always active. sometimes it is idle for a bit

[modest skiff]

Right and I agree, but this wouldn't play into what @mint prairie was saying about it being a reason for shanks walking into the gorosei area

[pine delta]

To continue on the buggy and shanks connection, I feel like the parallels between shanks and buggy and shanks and blackbeard point at

Black beard is continuing rocks's legacy but isnt his child
shanks wants to go against rocks's legacy and is his child

Buggy is just the living example of bloodline not being any sort of gaurentee.
Rocks is an important enough person of interest that he could be a garp type figure where his contributions to the WG are enough to warrant a meeting with gorosei despite going agains them in a lot of ways

[ancient vault]

I like nerfertari buggy theory more

[pine delta]

Shanks walking into gorosei has to be based on some sort of complex backstory. he was on the crew of the pirate king which is already a death sentence. he also knows the one piece and had a COMPLETELY different reaction to it than the roger pirates. his specific going out of his way to oppose blackbeard and blackbeards blatant ties to Rocks Xebec make me think its all connected and the gorosei would be very interested in preventing rocks xebec 2.0

now that I think about it blackbeard's crew recruitment at impel down is very similar to the rocks best of the best and no synergy recruitment

the only evidence against this is we would've seen at least some detail about his df by now, and the storm against shiki being a coincidence which to me would not be an accident if he has the wind fruit. To counterpoint myself we don't even know shanks abilties and we met them both in chapter one.

Would make a lot of sense considering dragon is the most dangerous man in the world, of course having the former pirate kings devil fruit would automatically add credence to that title. cool theory

i dont know any japanese to be able to comment on the wordplay but I am aware they have come up in devil fruit naming.

[modest skiff]

I think this is a well supported theory. Wind and revolution are definitely well aligned. A wind fruit could be used to create lightning. The fact that they have showed us so little of Roger fighting makes me think he had some kind of fruit we don't know about yet. Hard to say for sure since the whole point is that Oda has been very secretive about it, but its a good theory

[pine delta]

my counter point was that the edd war storm was called an accident and fluke by roger, which wouldn't be the case if he had a wind fruit that could cause said storm.

I was talking more how roger has had a few fights but no wind df displays.

I feel like your points almost lock in wind fruit for dragon himself

[modest skiff]

The loss was likely not an accident (I personally think Uranus was a part of that victory), but I do agree it would be very strange for Shiki to not know about Roger's fruit

i don't think he used it, i think it did it on its own

i think uranus was sympathetic or indebted to roger, but i won't distract

[ancient vault]

I actually think rogers jolly roger is not actually a moustache. But a representation of a gust of wind representing his dream of freedom.

This part is a reach when we see roger actually having a mustache . Otherwise I cant really think of anything against this theory rn tho im not really a fan of Roger with a DF.

[pine delta]

i think it was just a random storm because thats what the story has told us so far.

Also now that i think about it, i think dragon having a wind fruit would be a paramecia and not a logia. wind logia seems a bit...formless?

[modest skiff]

don't post in caps @elfin hare

[ancient vault]

Wind should be logia as its a natural "element"

[elfin hare]

Ok new to the chat

[pine delta]

yeah but visually...its intangible

[modest skiff]

i agree wind user would be paramecia

[pine delta]

roger was setting himself a no shave mustache goal. arguably a bigger goal than becoming pirate king

[elfin hare]

what if laugh tale is being blocked by the power of the awaken devil fruit dragon possible has

[pine delta]

i dont see a single reason dragon would do this. if had access to raftel he would already use the one piece to start the final war not just wait for a pirate king

[ancient vault]

Who even said he drew his pirate flag at that day lol

[elfin hare]

not dragon but prior user from void century

[ancient vault]

How did you perfectly debunk me lol
If you wanna go details a dust of wind doesnt have a swirl at the end and at the beginning

[modest skiff]

brills you're doing that thing where you respond rudely to criticism, please cool it

[ancient vault]

I dont remember Luffy having a pirate flag the day he met zoro

[pine delta]

is there a panel where we see roger's jolly roger with him pre mustache?

[ancient vault]

nope

[modest skiff]

something can make no sense and you can still be polite.

I really just don't think roger's jolly roger represents his moustage. His isn't swirly like that and it isn't double layered

[pine delta]

Devil fruit shenangins being the reason behind laugh tale's elusiveness makes sense, similar to punk hazard having different weather permanently. Maybe not the wind fruit but some sort of combination

big mom pirates started when she was like 10 with streussen

[ancient vault]

oh nah she was a pirate when she was a kid

[pine delta]

if anything big mom's jolly roger is impossible for when she started pirating.

If luffy never met usopp they never would even have a valid jolly roger until they found an artist, not too crazy to say they just didn't have a design

this is kinda aggressive tbh

[modest skiff]

whatever you are labeling it, please stop brills

[ancient vault]

It does lol.
She didnt have any lipstick when she was already at luffys bounty level. Since you wanna be that specific and compare jolly rogers to appearance

[modest skiff]

BM definitely has one of the most interesting flags

[ancient vault]

I didnt even say anything against the entirety of your theory. Im just saying your jolly roger argument is bad

then who are you to say Roger didnt form the crew later?

[modest skiff]

Personally I think the jolly roger argument is the best argument in favor. I don't think the jolly roger represents his moustache at all

[pine delta]

also, i HIGHLY doubt oda is keeping a timeline of flag creation. do you think he would find it fun to create many iterations of a flag and be like "ok, and then he grew a moustache, so he updated his jolly roger, and before that he had this draft version, and then before that it was drawn by..."

Way more likely he just thinks of a flag that fits the character overall. Theres reading into details and then theres using flags to make massive plot realizations. it seems too disengenous

[ancient vault]

Lol what
He met rayleigh alright. Big Mom met streusen who started her pirate career

[elfin hare]

everytime the void century is talked about air is being suck up in the anime but anyways Dr vega punk can replicate devil fruits that have been awaken without even coming in contact with the user just the environment similar to punk hazard current state now he could possbile replicate akoji and akanui fruits by infusing it with the lineage factor and have Ssg troops with their abilites kizaru is the only one we see so far with powers replicate image autobots from the moon with devil fruits

[ancient vault]

She was already a pirate worth 500mil as a teen but the Big Mom pirates were formed later.

Roger cant have been a pirate for a while without a mustache and a jolly roger?

This is seriously embarrassing lol. Youre contradicting yourself and you dont even get it

[modest skiff]

I don't think we know he doesn't need contact with the user. I thought he used Kaido's lineage factor to make Momo's fruit

[ancient vault]

With whos lineage factor?

[ancient vault]

He did

[pine delta]

i do wonder why kaido and momo dragon forms are so similar yet kaido needed big moms help to "use the fruit"

[modest skiff]

he didn't need help to use it, she gave it to him

[elfin hare]

oda mention in sbs he may or may not now given the enviroment alteractions being permant he may not need the user

[ancient vault]

Where did you get that from? He just got the fruit from her

[pine delta]

did vegapunk's fruit skip the goldfish stage?

[modest skiff]

Maybe I missed something. When was Kaido a fish?

[velvet edge]

The devil fruit never had a goldfish stage

[elfin hare]

hes a duck lol joking

[velvet edge]

It was always a dragon, it’s just that it’s name is based on the myth

[sharp anvil]

Of a fish that turned into a dragon

[pine delta]

Fish-Fish Fruit, Model Azure Dragon

Hm. i might have misread a line in a fan translation calling it goldfish goldfish and assumed it was a direct copy of the magikarp story

[modest skiff]

It is, but it skips to the end

[pine delta]

nvm about all that then lol.

[elfin hare]

lol

[pine delta]

i was really thinking kaido was a useless goldfish for years before big mom helped him turn into a dragon smfh

[modest skiff]

I've had some funny misunderstandings too, don't worry

[shut finch]

Lol that woulda been funny

[elfin hare]

kadio fruit could have the requirment of being close to death to active possible or maybe kadio was going to die and big mom gave him some life, he was pretty young at the time

[sinful helm]

a flood dragon jumping over a waterfall becomes a dragon

[ancient vault]

Morj theory

[elfin hare]

i meant Dr Vega Punk could vist an enviroment that was alter by a DF user and abstract some of the lineage of the user being that their powers alter the landscape forever. When Akoji froze the sea king early in the anime he said it would last a week and now when seen an punk hazard be alter for over two years now I think it safe to say punk hazard will be like that forever or until the user or new user undo its

[modest skiff]

I don't think aokiji is leaving lineage factor behind when he freezes something. I think he simply freezes stuff

[elfin hare]

same only time i believe lineage factor is left behind is only awakening and it quite possible the lazers the ssg use may not be kizaru at all maybe just another technique similar to how ancient animals hunt in the past just speed up to the speed of light

[placid kite]

there’s this theory nobody has talked about but I remember from impeldown you know the prison guards, they were awakened and even tho they got knocked out they got back up eventually and crocodile said it was a main factor of awakenings. The frame of them getting defeated was really similar to the tobiroppos who’s who, Black Maria and Sasaki. So what if they awaken and get back up to fight along with all the other Zoans like ulti and page one. This may also cause the raid to fail if they get back up and all the forces of the raid are low

[elfin hare]

honestly they can get back up thats the purpose but no unless you have conquerors haki your just not beating the straw hats with zoro and luffy its more then likely they will bend the knee to luffy after he defeats kadio it said king only follows kadio for his strength the number so if luffy defeats kadio king will bend the knee knowing thats a fight he cant win

[warm halo]

idk why people still think the raid will fail, i just dont see that happening

[glossy quartz]

That sounds alot weirder than it is

[vivid forum]

I agree, the stakes are too high

[ripe geyser]

Are you saying awakened Zoans are impossible to put down unless you kill them?

Like Luffy and his crew have “knocked out” plenty of enemies but not killed them, what if Kaido is literally impossible to knock out unless you kill him

[placid kite]

yeah u might be on to something, also when kaido dies this song will play https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i0Bg27H8XGs

[glossy quartz]

The 3 current admirals have the powers of the 4 fundamental forces

Electromagnetisms exchange particle is the photon. Photons create the force. Photons are what light is made of clearly this is kizaru

Gravity's exchange particle is the graviton. This is clearly fujitora

Strong/weak nuclear. This has pions and leptons as the exchange but the important part is that it happens between quarks and atoms.

I believe the final admiral ryokugyu has the genshi genshi no mi
An atomic/nuclear human

[ripe geyser]

Ngl that’s an interesting thought. But I wonder, how would that ability explain why Ryokugyu hasn’t eaten in so long?

[glossy quartz]

It kinda perfectly explains it

He can literally create his own energy/food

I feel like the plant stuff is a red herring

It makes sense. But it is too obvious and it's not that OP based on the abilities we know characters in one piece have

[ripe geyser]

So you think his ability can create all sorts of chemical compounds including nutrients needed to survive?

It would also be terrifying if the admiral who seems to be really lazy has the power to emit radiation or even make nukes

[placid kite]

Kizaru

[pure raven]

theres already a bomb bomb fruit

[ripe geyser]

And Gladius

[pure raven]

also oda is not going to make a degree in nuclear physics required to understand someones devil fruit

[ripe geyser]

True though the ope ope no mi is in its own league of being complicated

[muted ember]

Everybody understands nuke

[pure raven]

exaplain it then

[muted ember]

Big explosions and radiation

[pure raven]

its nuclear fission when particles smash together and create immense amounts of energy

also its just stupid

[muted ember]

U don't need to know none of that for a manga power

[ripe geyser]

Yeah this is One Piece Oda could make a nuclear DF power and do whatever the hell he wants with it

Physics can be brought in any direction

[pure raven]

i dont think you understand how bad that would make oda look

duhhhh this character has the god god fruit and he can do whatever he wants

[ripe geyser]

Dude I’m not implying here that Oda should make the ability able to use nuclear bombs

[pure raven]

https://tenor.com/bkcRZ.gif

i thunk zoro gon get the gorilla gorilla fruit becuase one time he made his arms like a gorilla

[glossy quartz]

Yeah

[placid kite]

bro nuclear nuclear fruit? U reading to much ONE PIECE fake devil fruit wikis

[glossy quartz]

I literally gave evidence why he would have it

[glossy quartz]

Theres no fanfic involved I'm literally using the story

[ripe geyser]

That’s a thing? Never read one before. I’ve also never heard of anyone speculating someone having an atomic-related DF

[modest skiff]

What exactly are you saying this fruit would do?

Green bull, not needing to eat, feels a lot more like solar powered than nuclear power to me. We're talking about green bull right?

[glossy quartz]

Most paramecias allow the user to control and produce their substance

I don't think this fruit is a logia because I feel like we're way past the intangibility being useful faze of one piece

Additionally it would hard to have greenbull deforming into atoms since their so small and he kinda is already made of atoms

I believe the genshi genshi no mi this hypothetical power

Would allow greenbull to control and produce atoms

So he can create both explosions and matter.

[ancient vault]

not kinda. Every single object and even intangible things are made of atoms

[ripe geyser]

And strong nuclear force is what he uses to come back together?

[ancient vault]

If he can control atoms hes borderline the most broken character in the universe

[glossy quartz]

By kinda I'm being hysterical because it's obvious

[modest skiff]

Both Tama and Katakuri's powers, which create food, are explicitly said to not provide sustenance. That doesn't mean some fruit can't allow self-sustaining, but just throwing that out there

[ancient vault]

makes sense

[glossy quartz]

It's like saying "Obama was kinda the president of America at one point"

Anyone can tell someone who says that is being hysterical

[glossy quartz]

Kat can create mochi

[ripe geyser]

Even if his ability is atomic-related Oda doesn’t have to follow all the rules of nuclear physics (when has he ever really applied physics in OP properly)

[modest skiff]

he create create mochi, but he can't eat it. no one can. It isn't food. It is explicitly stated eating it doesn't count as food

[glossy quartz]

And I'm following the consensus of the paramecia class not the outliers

[glossy quartz]

Wait I don't really know what your getting at here. When did eating come into this

[modest skiff]

I am just pointing out that other fruits did not allow the user to just kind of exist independently forever. This nuclear fruit allowing a user to have self-sustaining power is counter to that

[glossy quartz]

I didn't really give a detailed outline of nuclear physics. As long as oda follows the main principles of the ability theres no real problem

[modest skiff]

That doesn't mean it can't happen, just pointing out

[glossy quartz]

How in what shape or form would this fruit allow greenbull to live forever

And to use a fruit like this you would also need to be extremely intelligent

[ripe geyser]

You would definitely have to know a shit ton about chemistry

[ancient vault]

streußen could turn anything into food thoand eat it

[modest skiff]

Oh you're right, thank you

[muted ember]

The word is rhetorical

[ripe geyser]

I don’t think the atomic ability is guaranteed but it most certainly isn’t impossible

[sinful helm]

or a fusion fruit or something similar is more likely with the person being able when awaken too make atoms fuse or something like that then direct nuclear fruit

[river plaza]

Can someone touch and directly hit a logia user with advance conquer haki.

[sharp anvil]

All this atomic talk just makes me think about how Law can do alot of it already. Probably the closest person to be able to cut an atom as well. And yes Orangey with armament haki.

A full on atomic DF would be ridiculously overpowered and directly counter alot of fruits I'd think.

[glossy quartz]

I mean the trend between the 3 admirals has to make some sense

And if they have the 4 fundamental forces like I said. The symbolism is clear. How the admirals represent the fundamental parts of the marines/world which keep it in balance

[glossy quartz]

Bro kizaru is light man. Fujitora is gravity. Both these forces have infinite range man

[sharp anvil]

Atomic directly counters at least fuji

[glossy quartz]

It's really not that broken relative in context

[glossy quartz]

Huh

[sharp anvil]

Gravity acts on atoms. Everything does

[glossy quartz]

OK and

[sharp anvil]

It's like saying someone is a God that can just mess around with matter

Said person would probably be more like an Enel than a WG bitch

[glossy quartz]

Kizaru has a light fruit. The typical light user in anime usually thinks they are god

That logic makes no sense

[sharp anvil]

True and they both seem to just like comfort

No it does make alot of sense an atomic fruit is super overpowered lol

And would mess with alot of other fruits

[glossy quartz]

No it really doesn't. Like I said if kizaru can be someone's subordinate so can a guy with an atomic fruit man

They are basically just as damn broken

[sharp anvil]

Other dragonfruits don't work because light

[glossy quartz]

Huh. Bro what tf are you talking about

[sharp anvil]

I'm talking about everything being made of atoms

[glossy quartz]

Light isn't made of atoms

[sharp anvil]

Which means it can't directly counter most fruits

[glossy quartz]

Neither Is gravity so what are you talking about

[sharp anvil]

I'm saying you could literally shutdown so many df users with the atomic fruit it would ruin the story

If it a fruit with a nuclear quality thats different

[glossy quartz]

There would be clear fucking limits man

[sharp anvil]

Similar to how kidd has electromagnetism

[glossy quartz]

Kizarus speed is limited. So many peoples powers are limited for anime purposes man its really not that serious

[torn solstice]

What is Atomic fruit

[glossy quartz]

Your really other thinking it man. An atomic fruit is extremely powerful yes. But just as kizarus fruits have limits so would that fruit

[glossy quartz]

Bro what is the name of the server

[sharp anvil]

I'm thinking about it because you posted it in a theory crafting discord

[torn solstice]

What do you think it is

[glossy quartz]

I'm asking you.

[sharp anvil]

Trying to make it make sense to me

I like the theory

I just think it is an aspect of many fruits

[torn solstice]

I do not know sadly.

[glossy quartz]

Listen bro. Most fruits are nerfed in one piece

Kizaru is very nerfed
Enel is very nerfed

Multiple people are nerfed with Op fruits.

Just like the Op ope no mi has limits so will this hypothetical power if it happens to be true

But so far in terms of probability of being true

I'd say nuclear/atomic is the most likely for greenbull based on evidence and just overall logix

[modest skiff]

This is why you were muted before

[torn solstice]

What will the atomic fruit do

[glossy quartz]

Wait what did I say

I haven't been rude to anyone here bro

[sharp anvil]

You're being pretty antagonistic and condescending the way you are presenting your information. I just don't care.

[torn solstice]

Lmao guy seems like trouble

Didn't make a very good first impression either

[modest skiff]

He got muted so he posted on an alt. Sorry guys I was busy for a bit

Feel free to ping a mod if anyone is behaving that way in the future

[torn solstice]

Gotcha

[sharp anvil]

I was just letting him dig a hole lol sorry

[modest skiff]

In general we prefer to keep the channel clean rather than giving rope to hang, but it helped make it certain. Anyway, let’s move on to other topics

I posted this before when the channel was busy people didn’t really respond

Anyone got any thoughts on this?

#manga-theories message

[torn solstice]

What is CDs?

[modest skiff]

Celestial dragons

[torn solstice]

Oh okay

If memory serves, didn't Oda say that Luffy's mom isn't gonna be that much relevant to the story?

Correct me if I'm wrong

[modest skiff]

That wouldn’t be Luffy’s mom, it would be Dragon’s mom

If Xebec’s sister were Garp’s wife

[torn solstice]

You're theorising about Dragon's mom? Will she make an appearance?

I don't think she's gonna be any more relevant than Luffy's mother tbh

[modest skiff]

Not an appearance, but the tragedy of her death could be why Garp and Xebec hold each of their beliefs

[torn solstice]

I see

[chrome fog]

Bonny is one of Big Mom's kids 👀

[clever pebble]

I just notice there are 4 people with Conqueror in Roger's crew : Roger, Rayleight, Shanks and Oden
So maybe SH will have 4 Conquerors too : Luffy, Zoro, (Ussop, Jinbei, or Yamato)

[merry sentinel]

sanji pls

yamato is 10000% gonna have it

[clever pebble]

well think about Sanji's dream, is about Finding All Blue only
Sanji is incredible strong but his ambition doesn't align with Conqueror

[modest skiff]

Yamato already has confirmed conqueror haki

[clever pebble]

oh ye she clashed with Kaido

[modest skiff]

Her childhood flashback showed it too

[clever pebble]

ye im reading 1 chapter each week so it's hard to remember everything

[merry sentinel]

nu he has king qualities hes a goddamnnn prince

if they dont give him coc he better get a power up or else im drop kicking oda

[clever pebble]

prince is just a title, he is not even a king, and there are bunch of kings in OP

[placid kite]

sanji doesnt have conquerors hes not on that level

zoro and luffy have "kingly" ambitions what does sanji want to find, a blue where all fish are

[modest skiff]

Discussions on “who has conq haki” should be in #manga or #also-manga

Let’s not use this channel for that topic please

[clever pebble]

yeah his goal is not even about "fighting". ok Ill stop.

[pure raven]

Tiger man?

[tardy pulsar]

and before anyone says “whitebeard wanted a family” he says that after roger already beat him to the one piece and is offered the one piece by roger

and it just doesn’t make sense to become the strongest man in the world and is widely considered as “second to roger”,because he lost the race to the one piece, without wanting to be at the top

[sand sail]

He stated this as his goal long before he ever met Roger, or was on Rocks.

This was his goal before he even had a mustache or was a captain.

The youngest depiction of Whitebeard in the series, minus as an orphan child on Sphinx island, was him telling some crew he was part of that the only treasure he cared to have was family.

[gray creek]

Wanting to be a capable provider just seems to be fitting with the qualities of a king. It’s practically the same ambition as Katakuri

[solar knoll]

WB did have Kingly Ambitions mate. He wanted to be a father to some of the strongest baddest people that sailed the ocean. And he successfully did it

[radiant oxide]

Bonney was seen crying in Chapter 565, which was right after Squard got manipulated into stabbing Whitebeard, so I'd have to wonder if Bonney also had a personal connection with Whitebeard.

[bitter kraken]

I don’t think ussop will ever get CoC just because of how cowardly he’s been I don’t think anyone that we know who has CoC has ever been like ussop. It would also lower the prestige of CoC and only combat monsters have been shown to have it, ussop just wasn’t lucky enough to be born with it

[twilit dagger]

ok so any Will of D theories

[muted ember]

I would say Yamato was pretty scared when she unlocked conquerors

[bitter kraken]

Yamato was also a little little girl lol

[muted ember]

Yea so if a scared and crying little girl can unlock it, why not Usopp?

We've established u don't have to be brave

[bitter kraken]

I think they all unlocked it when they were really little right? Doffy and we saw ace do it when he was a child too bad Yamato. We saw luffy unlock it when he was sorta grown, so ussop prolly was crying little girl when he was little as he’s been growing up and still didn’t get it

Also do you know ussops goal?

[muted ember]

Luffy was 17 I think the rest we don't know

[bitter kraken]

Is it to be king of the snipers? Idk if he’s ever said his goal

[muted valley]

Ace was 9 or so

[muted ember]

But I really don't see too much of a difference between 17 and 19

[wary fossil]

Age is irrelevant to unlocking conq haki. It's more about putting somebody who has that in them in a situation where they would unlock it.

[muted valley]

I think from 17 to 20 is a pretty big development personally Tray. Peaking at mid 20s, going from teenager to young adult is a big thing.

But anyway, on Usopp, I don't see him having it. But he does have a strong will. As much as he's a coward. He does stick by his ideals and has been "Conqourering" his fears.

[sharp anvil]

His dream is to become brave lol

So maybe that will be the proof

[wary fossil]

usopp's dream is to become a brave warrior of the sea, which he already technically is, but has evolved since little garden because of his interactions with the great warriors of elbaf

[muted valley]

Usopp on elbaf will be GOAT

[modest skiff]

When posting an image, put more effort into it besides "hmm". See channel description. Tell us what the image means to you and what you think of it rather than dropping it with no explanation

[sharp anvil]

Would conquerors really even help a sniper?

[wary fossil]

usopp knew luffy beat kuro, arlong, crocodile, and enel and still fought him for merry

conq would help usopp greatly as it would allow him to take out a few minions close up so he could focus on sniping

[bitter kraken]

I’m pretty sure ussop knew luffy wouldn’t kill him or hurt him too badly cause he knew luffy

[sharp anvil]

That would also tell the big bads where he is

[bitter kraken]

Lol if he did have it and coated his bullets in coc

[wary fossil]

doesn't matter whether he thought luffy would kill him or not, luffy easily has the ability to do so and he still fought him

that's brave as hell

[safe snow]

It does matter though

[radiant oxide]

lol, alright

[woven moth]

Foxy is from Ballywood

[wary fossil]

not really. Usopp had fought plenty of deadly people before that point

[bitter kraken]

But I’m saying ussop knew luffy wouldn’t kill him or leave him brain dead lol he knew luffy saw him as a friend

[muted ember]

I think he's going to get conquerors but it would take me too long to explain but there's a lot of foreshadowing like Sogeking, or him becoming a God, calling himself the captain, etc

[radiant oxide]

Yeah, might go along with food names and such along with a resemblance.

[bitter kraken]

Buggy sees himself super important too and lots of peeps think he is and he dosnt have CoC

[safe snow]

I'm not arguing on conq, he might get he might not

All I'm saying is that when fighting Luffy he knew luffy wasn't seriously going to hurt him

[woven moth]

I hope we get a Lore book on the other unexplored countries after OP ends

[wary fossil]

luffy did seriously hurt him

[muted ember]

And he lied about having it a few chapters ago which besides the fact his lies come true, also happened to Zoro shortly before he got it

[radiant oxide]

There were like 50 kings and queens, so definitely too much to tell in just a few chapters.

[safe snow]

Seriously hurting in a shonen manga is leaving you on hospital bed for days

[wary fossil]

nah. Plenty of people in OP get seriously hurt and still function. It's shounen so it's not so simple as real life where damage is damage

hell even Zoro was just deadly damaged and got magic medicine that will supposedly make it even worse later. Nobody is questioning him living through all of this

[safe snow]

Exactly

Zoro was seriously hurt

He needed magic medicine

[wary fossil]

luffy was seriously hurt against kaido multiple times and came back super quick

[muted valley]

I don't think it's fully off the table, but I think it's slim. I think I know where you'd be going with it.

I don't agree itll be in but I do think as far as the continuity of CoC, it is possible. I rather see him getting a advanced observation haki. Not like see the future, rather extreme long distance.

[wary fossil]

this is fantasy

[safe snow]

I'm not arguing people don't get seriously hurt. It's just that Luffy didn't hurt usopp seriously

[bitter kraken]

Extreme long distance is possible we already have seen it wirh Enel

[wary fossil]

zoro was functioning not long after nothing happened

[safe snow]

Enel was too broken of a character

[bitter kraken]

But enel did it with his fruit lol

[west saffron]

500k bounty be like

[wary fossil]

before usopp got dials he was fighting that mole person with meme weapons and supposedly broke a ton of bones during that fight but still running around after all that

[muted valley]

Luffy got wrecked by Lucci and it was fine because of "meat"

Zoro took all of luffys pain and bled way more than he had. Yet lived.

Ussopp has been wrecked horribly like miss monday fight and mr 4(I think that's who) and took a 5ton hammer to the head and skull shattered. Was fine within 2 days.

Peel took a nuke and lived.

I believe luffy did go and attack usopp seriously. He didn't go all out, because he only needed few real hits to win, but he did take it seriously.

Ussopp is pretty tough, even though he's the weaker end of the crew. But we have seen that he isn't durable. He's been wrecked alot. His fight with the 1 Fishman was pretty good cause it was when he realized who he needed to be.

[sharp anvil]

I'd like to see Usopp have a more powerful observation Haki over conquerers

Just saw you say that loopy lol my b

[muted valley]

Same Guac, I'd love to see advanced Observation. Where like Cody he could identify people from miles away, and it'd be exactly what a sniper needs. We saw in dressorssa he can snipe through dif angles and take account the environmental factors. That x10 would seem more inline with him.

[sharp anvil]

I would argue he used it against Luffy

Almost like how they would put oil on the battlefields before a battle and light it up when the enemy was ontop of it.

[wary fossil]

He showed that in Wano already with the fog when they entered onigashima

Spotted a few beast pirates that nobody else saw/noticed and put them to sleep

[muted valley]

They knew they were coming up to the front gate. But the distance wasn't farther than the enis lobby bridge shot.

[wary fossil]

It was foggy though and he noticed them before anybody else

Ah nvm he was using binoculars

[sharp anvil]

You think Beckman and Kizaru could have been a stronger observation Haki interaction?

Like kizaru knew if he went an inch further he'd be shot

[wary fossil]

That was more showing how skilled beckmann is

[sharp anvil]

Such a cheeky smile lol

[wary fossil]

For him to sneak up on an admiral who probably has decent obvs haki is great battle prowess

[modest skiff]

I'm a strong beckman > kizaru believer

[wary fossil]

Kizaru didn’t try to fight him after that either

[sharp anvil]

That few seconds may have mattered though

[wary fossil]

Literal lightspeed but doesn’t try to fight a no df guy. He knew how strong beckman was

[bitter kraken]

Wasn’t kizaru being sarcastic? Lol

[modest skiff]

We should avoid having a power scaling discussion in this channel, but I will frame it in terms of a theory: Shanks went to MF with extremely specific intentions of preventing death. Beckman was directly told to limit fighting as much as possible while defending team whitebeard as much as possible. We saw Beckman sideline Kizaru, though we have no real way of knowing how a "tournament match" between the two of them would have gone. If we want to discuss power scaling we can go to #manga or #also-manga , but from a theory perspective, I think Shanks was only trying to limit death and that's why Beckman didn't fire his gun

I also think that Shanks was able to spin his involvement at MF as saving the marines from being wiped out by Kaido. I think this is part of why he is able to chat with Gorosei. He has managed to convince them that he is somewhat on their side, while in reality he is not

If Kaido and all his homies tried to clean up the leftovers of the navy, they may have succeeded

[muted valley]

Beckman is Shanks first mate right?

I'm sure that it'd actually be a battle for kizaru. Unlike his rampage on shabody. Kizaru would need to be not fuck up. So Beckman was a credible threat to him

Also Shanks Def wasn't trying to fight. He is the type to keep the peace and limit death especially with how he was at the war.

[modest skiff]

yes, first mate, and according to his vivre card, he is nearly the same strength as Shanks

[muted valley]

Yeah, 1 good shot to kizarus head could kill him

If we assume guns can have haki bullets

[bitter kraken]

Sea stone bullets do the trick

[visual merlin]

haki bullets are surely a thing, they may not have seastone

[muted valley]

Sea stone bullets were from wano. Due to the craftsman

But haki bullets have to be a thing, since haki infused flying shoes slashes aew

[grizzled fog]

Presumably izo used haki bullets on the roof, but regardless there’s no reason why they couldn’t be a thing if haki infused arrows can exist

[ancient vault]

Didnt we see haki bullets before

[muted valley]

I don't remember it swrml. But it has to be a thi g

[night karma]

Nah we need seastone bullets

they would be devastating when introduced

[grizzled fog]

Those were introduced in udon

[night karma]

Used on people tho?

you’re saying they talked about them right or did we see them?

[visual merlin]

well probably no one's gonna have em outside wano

[weak arrow]

We saw Law shot at with a seastone nail at least.

[muted valley]

Seastone bullets are worse than haki bullets.

[visual merlin]

wano barely has em

[visual merlin]

unless shot at a df user

[muted valley]

I think you should reread.

[visual merlin]

why

[grizzled fog]

They’d be better regardless of who they’re shot at, except for how costly they are

[muted valley]

Seastone is worse for a df user. Like I was saying

[weak arrow]

Worse can mean 2 different things in that context

[visual merlin]

yea, you could have just elaborated there, I thought you meant worse as in not as effective

[mossy rune]

Guys I've been saying this for quite some time now (I've even just said it in another channel) but I'd like to say my theory on this channel to, basically Weevil is the tenth titanic captain. We know he's after what's leftover of the WB pirates supposedly to avenge WB's death but he just follows blindly his mother's orders and what she's really interested in is WB's alleged treasure. My theory is that if Weevil is actually comparable to a young WB like Kizaru said then BB could've recognized his strength and could have made a deal with his mom, something like giving her part of whatever treasures they get, maybe even the One Piece. That's it, I'm sorry if I interrupted anything

[patent sail]

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/rfjrqi/why_spoilers_is_insanely_durable_against_slashes/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

This theory is pretty reasonable

[muted valley]

Yeah, it didn't occur to me till after it could be see that way. I was going off the post above me talking about seastone bullets being devastating

Sry

[modest skiff]

Is this chapter 1035 spoiler?

[patent sail]

Nope

[modest skiff]

Oh ok, great

[muted valley]

I've heard that theory from others. It is plausible. I think it may happen, cause he has such anger to BB. I think he'll team up with luffy/others after getting pissed off at his mom and BB.

[muted valley]

No, it's just a joke

[mossy rune]

I think he's too stupid/relies too much on his mom to do that but we've seen so little from him so it could happen

[modest skiff]

Also @patent sail in general we ask people to give a brief description of what they think about a theory rather than just dropping the link. Will read now though, thanks for posting

[muted valley]

That's why I think it works perfectly. Hell meet luffy or something and luffy will tell him about his father. That why is he fighting for BB. That he's a adult, think for himself. Ect..

[patent sail]

I’ll keep that in mind next time thanks.

[muted valley]

It's a trope in a couple things. So I see it working

[sharp anvil]

I think Bakkin may have been the doctor of the Rocks pirates and Weevil is some Frankenstein thing.

I don't think Whitebeard would ditch his real son

I mean he could have died also and bakkin brought him back

[muted valley]

He might not have known.

But yeah the Frankenstein thing could be. However he does look like he got messed up and with his Lenny attitude I can see him getting messed up young.

Something is up with weevil, so I'm sure we'll see. Frankenstein is up there with what I think. I do wonder if she had WB grave pillaged and done. Since Moriah could zombie WB.
(Which is scary). It would help close up that possible plot hole as we know moriah would use him.

[sharp anvil]

He does kinda look like Queen lol

Who's also just a stitched together monstrosity

[muted valley]

Queen isn't that bad lol

I just hate how Weevle insults WBs natural anesthetic.

But weevle does look like child WB. Pudgy.

[woven moth]

Weevil just always gave me Hogback zombie vibes

[muted valley]

So I can see if WB never got ripped a d went a dirty bulk diet. He could look physically like weevle

[sharp anvil]

Definitely fits with how Oda does the bad and good age ups

[muted valley]

It'd make sense if it was a modified WB zombie , with a shadow of a little kid. Because I can not see moriah NOT going after WB or Aces grave.

[muted valley]

Wasn't even thinking that. But yeah, it fits perfectly.

Who knows, I don't think WB would abandon his own son. However I can see him knowing he had one but the mother said he died or something to hurt WB cause he wanted to be there for him. (Or some wild thing revolving the mom being evil as fuck, since they were in Rocks together.)

[radiant crag]

Is it possible chopper could learn sulong form?

[velvet edge]

No he is not a mink

[radiant crag]

So is it like strictly given to them by blood

[vapid minnow]

Maybe Chopper can take the Sulong properties and imbed them into his Rumble ball

[radiant crag]

Yeah dude i just see that as a upgrade for chopper sooner or later hell get one

[muted valley]

It's a racial thing, not a werewolf thing.

Chopper has monster point, which in theory is a type of zoan awakening.

[radiant crag]

Seeing him use it as a rumble ball definitely seems possible

Really, awakening?

I could see that but id definitely want them to confirm it and not just leave it out there for debate lol

[sharp anvil]

Could go the other way around and Chopper makes a crazy power up for the Mink transformation as a whole.

[muted valley]

We know the guards in impel down were awakened zoans. Chopper has a human human fruit. So he got intelligence. He does talk about his rumble balls and how they work. It's more a modification of his df abilities to his body. Monster point is his Ace, we just saw he got it extended but at a cost.

[muted valley]

Didn't think of that, good call

[sharp anvil]

Give one to neko and inu

[radiant crag]

That would be dope

[muted valley]

We know mink has some sort of medicine unknown to chopper so plausible. I do see chopper making a rumble ball type thing that would allow a 5min sulong mink transformation for them for future fights.

[radiant crag]

I mean how else is he gonna keep up with the rest of the SH as we progress to end game.

Oda has to have something up his sleeve for our little racoon dog

[bitter kraken]

I don’t think chopper needs to be strong or anything, he’s their doctor and a really really good one, how he keeps up with the crew is learning new medicine techniques

[radiant crag]

I understand that. But you really dont think Oda would give him a little upgrade maybe some armament haki

[sand sail]

He doesn't need it, so probably not

He's already a key player in a fight against arguably the strongest force in the series currently, there's no "keeping up" he really has to do here

[radiant crag]

Word, i understand that

[half badger]

Chopper will get stronger

[dim nest]

hope so i mean we still dont know anythiing about choppers devilfruit

[junior cape]

It's been confirmed to be the literal base model Human Human fruit. The Hito Hito No Mi. https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Hito_Hito_no_Mi

[dim nest]

looks like some mushroom lel

[junior cape]

kekw yeah

[ivory gorge]

this mushroom will not keel

[dim nest]

what does that mean...

[ivory gorge]

It's a meme from "forged with fire", a competition gameshow for blacksmiths making weapons. The "will not keel (kill)" is a reference to that show, also a reference to chopper.

As in, chopper ate the Hito Hito no Mi (in teh shape of a mushroom) to give him human powers, but also sadly in reference to chopper giving the poison mushroom to the Dr, which killed him.

[dim nest]

well that hit hard remembering

[ivory gorge]

In reference to actual Chopper power up theories. I think, like most people, that it's going to have to relate to his rumble ball. We can see that Chopper gets a powerup every time he comes into contact with an island with some sort of huge pharmaceutical or medical knowledge. If Minx does have a lot of medical knowledge unknown to chopper [which I think Zoro healing ultra fast during the recent ark is proof?], I think this foreshadows a change in rumble ball mechanics.

I've predicted either he gains new forms (Sulong), or slowly combines them (fisherman island). It's possible that Monster point was not the upgrade path needed for the new world, but seeing Sulong form may inspire him to change the RB formula.

As for an awakening, I don't see chopper needing it [though I confess I don't know what it could actually do besides a disguise], but I think the rumble ball may have been used a foreshadowing to a pseudo-awakening drug that could be stolen or abused in later arcs.

Actually writing that would make a lot of sense, Chopper's ideal was to cure any disease. What a great writing arc it would be for Chopper to have to solve a drug he created (rumble ball) going into the wrong hands of the enemy that eventually hurts his friends.

[dim nest]

Well... theres some point in that.. i actually hoped for some awakening..physical changes maybe or some attack as similar as queens -but hes more of the research typ so it would be actually credible when choppers hardship comes to something related to his research like if the rb getting into false hands as you said there could be some 'power up'

i'd like to see how it will react on other types than zoan users what changes it would cause..

[near osprey]

I think by the end of Wano, Big Mom will get hit so damn hard she suffers perma-memory loss and reverts back to O-Lin for the remainder of OP

She'll also travel to Elbaf with the Straw Hats and that'll be a good plot thread if you ask me

Kaido will also find new respect for Luffy and change his entire mindset about dying as he'll want to see what the JoyBoy of his time period will achieve.

[modest skiff]

I'm a firm believer BM ends up a straw hat ally and this is a good mechanism for that

[near osprey]

Personally see all Yonko aside from Blackbeard falling into that category

[modest skiff]

same

I give a non-zero % chance Kaido is the one to join the crew after this arc

[near osprey]

Cause by series end it'll most likely be the entirety of the Pirate Kingdom vs the WG

and Luffy will be leading that charge

[vivid forum]

I know it's not one piece's style to go this direction but I am actually REALLY curious about how kaido's death would play out

[ruby depot]

any ideas on how the crew escapes from the marines coming maybe the through the secert port

[vivid forum]

I agree with the above theories though

[near osprey]

They're a Yonko crew they won't need to escape by that point.

Not only that but whomever can still fight would defend Wano the WG has no chance of actually taking the country

[modest skiff]

1. Onigashima is dropped on their fleet

2. BM pirates run into them and wipe them out

3. Grand fleet

Don't discuss spoilers here

[ruby depot]

oh

[sand sail]

DO NOT POST SPOILERS ANYWHERE OUTSIDE OF THE SPOILER CHANNEL.

[modest skiff]

thank you bean, i managed to not read it

I'm so glad I was typing at the time LOL

Don't even allude to anything remotely related to spoilers

rumors, nothing

[near osprey]

Stg if I don't see Shanks appear at the end of Wano i'm rioting there is no reason for Oda to stave off on that reunion any longer.

Still can't fathom Luffy being an Emperor now tbh

Feels so sudden

Crazier to think he's still not even on the same level as Whitebeard or Roger in their primes

[rose vale]

so yk how maniko was holding a baby?