manga-theories

[scarlet veldt]

Just comes from his body. Maybe same tech pearl does

[sand sail]

Pearl just has a couple of massive flintstones, basically

[grizzled fog]

he's shooting fireballs here

then there's this. most fire users just cover their bodies in it

[sand sail]

Can you grab Queen talking about it to Sanji too?

[grizzled fog]

this?

[odd lichen]

so drake has 1% chance of surviving from cp0 huh

[sand sail]

Yeh there you go

[scarlet veldt]

He kinda shot “fire pearls” instead of fireballs. I’m just asking why he couldn’t have learned the same technique as king in the “jungle” as pearl did. There’s never talk of flint stones and he ignites his body on fire on will.

[grizzled fog]

he ignited himself by banging his shields together

[scarlet veldt]

Just saying king maybe using same tech “pearl” learned in “jungle”. Could def be a possibility esp since they’re is nothing binding pearl to this ability.

Maybe lunarians lived in a jungle on the Red line

[sand sail]

But he actually couldn't have, Queen confirms they just burst into flames in general

[scarlet veldt]

Im sorry I’m black out drunk and never post on this disc but it’s been bugging me today. What if pearl just didn’t have control over it. Tbh king looks as human as pearl does with his mask halfway cut off. Hopefully In a few more chapters ill see difference between pearl and king.

There’s nothing there that says he just doesn’t burst into blames esp when he gets a nose bleed

[sand sail]

Well the thing is, Pearl isn't being set on fire

His armor is

But also, King's mask isn't halfway cut, he's missing a small bit that shows a part of his forehead

But further, he's got wings.

[heavy ocean]

Just a thoughy, has Magellan always had wings or are they just part of his outfit?

[scarlet veldt]

^ if pearl had pearl wings would they work the same way kings does esp since his wings change when he goes joe exotic mode?

[grizzled fog]

they're fake

[heavy ocean]

Ah nuts....

Even if they were real, still dont think there is a chance Magellan is Lunarian.

Queen hinted at the fact Lunarians have an innate ability to produce fire

[weary rose]

Magellan is a Human

[scarlet veldt]

From what I’ve seen pearl produces fire because he sucks ass at battle maybe he wants to be a chad lunariarn like king?

What’s the difference between king and pearl with haki? I’m looking but see no difference.

[heavy ocean]

I doubt Pearl is tbh, he lacks wings for one

And why would one if the very few surviving Lunarians stick with a no-name pirate who just set foot in the grand line only to get wiped by 1 shichibukai

[scarlet veldt]

Because he is the one lunarian who is dogshit.

[heavy ocean]

If WG is hunting them down, they wouldnt want to stick out or they would want protection from a very very strong pirate group

Don Kriegs armada wouldve been erased from existence by the WG if that was the case

[scarlet veldt]

East blue is like finding where’s Waldo in a haystack. Good luck finding one out of 5000 esp in a whole ass sea

Sorry I just don’t see the difference in the two. I see the power difference and devil fruit powerup but the man basically pearl from the first bit of the series

[heavy ocean]

My main issue is the physiology. Pearls lacks the wings

Though because there is little we know about king himself, still hard to say

[scarlet veldt]

It’s just a different variant. Just like gender or race. Maybe there’s a whole ass group of pearls out there. Sorry if this is disorderly. Weve seen king for like 100 chapters (since interduction) and I’m assuming we will know a lot more about him in future. Was just re reading and my gawd do they sound a lot alike esp if you give pearl the ability to create bombs (like Kriegs spear) and ability to creat fire.

[heavy ocean]

Im more interested in seeing how the Lunarians relate to the Skypieans though.

There's just too little info we have on Lunarians before i can make a thorough analysis

Also my biggest question is what made them so big of a threat that the WG had to wipe them out. I mean they couldve done the same to Skypieans and Giants. There's something we are missing here

[scarlet veldt]

Also quick theory question first Skypeian we see is chapter 1? In shanks crew?

He has the hair for it

Theory= we maybe have seen these races a long time ago

[heavy ocean]

Possibly

[scarlet veldt]

If not that boy went to the barber and asked for the “skypiean special”. May have got his hair cut by the guy on Gold D Rogers ship. “Cut D Hair”

[junior cape]

lmao

[eternal cairn]

gold roger's straw hat looks kind of similar to luffy's straw hat...

[obsidian charm]

cause it is roger's straw hat

roger gave it to shanks gave it to luffy

I think the straw hat is from void century days

[eternal cairn]

aint no way it lasted that long lol

[obsidian charm]

Shanks said it has been in many battles but we only have seen 3 diff users

[eternal cairn]

what if joy boy had it

[obsidian charm]

yeha joyoboy had another straw hat

a really big one, size of a giant

if u seen imu/Im-sama intro u can see she i slooking at luffy's bounty and a big straw hat

That big straw hat could have been JOYBOY's

[eternal cairn]

that big straw hat is like never talked about lol

[grim stone]

Coz we only got to see it for a moment. There's still a lot of stuff around JoyBoy that's just bein sprinkled around by Oda

[obsidian charm]

yeah ikr

i want to know more about joyboy more than what is one piece

[eternal cairn]

void century arc is gonna be heat

[obsidian charm]

yeah

I want oda to make early days of pirate ear like garp and roger, god valley incident and etc instead of a new gen

[eternal cairn]

im wondering how he's gonna fight straw hats vs admirals, straw hats vs blackbeard/shanks?, void century arc, mariejois arc, elbaf arc, etc. when he said hes gonna end the manga in like 5 years

[obsidian charm]

yeah there is a lot to talk about

[eternal cairn]

i think they are gonna make movies for that stuff like how they are making a shanks movie

[obsidian charm]

i mean to write about

[obsidian charm]

ya i suppose

i am wondering if luffy knows who JOYBOY is

I don't think robin has told her crew abou teh apology letter of JOYBOY

[eternal cairn]

wait whats that

[obsidian charm]

u have complted fishman island right?

[eternal cairn]

im caught up

i watched that in like 2014 lol i just got back in the show last year doe

[obsidian charm]

yeah so in teh end of fishman island robin says to neptune that who is joyboy

and why did he write an apology to pinces of fishmen kingdom

[eternal cairn]

he probably bounced on her like luffy

jk

[obsidian charm]

no no not like Robin read the ponegleigh in fishmen island and on that joyboy wrote an apology letter to princess of fishmen , so robin consulted neptune that who is JOYBOY as she was curious so my question i slike roger knows about joyboy so does luffy know too?

[eternal cairn]

no luffy doesnt even know its rogers hat, roger knows about that stuff cause he's been all the way to raftel and his crew knows everything

but maybe luffy knows most likely not

[obsidian charm]

yeah i don't think luffy knows abot JOYBOY

[junior cape]

i don't think luffy would care tbh

[crisp topaz]

This popped into my head with King's suit. Also, why does Queen know so much ? and he is explaining it to Sanji? what if to tie up this whole Sanji and if he is or does he has just Lunarian genes. What if King is one of Judge's test subjects? while Queen was a part of MADs . I believe King's Body is scared head-toe and wears the outfit to hide his scars. This would also lead into the story of them (Lunarian) being hunted and experimented on. And could also explain why king can do what we see in the last chapter.

[teal ivy]

King has CoCting. At first he underestimated Zoro that’s why Zoro was able to break his mask . Now King realised he can’t defend himself unless he has CoCting, that’s why those explosions and attacks aren’t bothering him now.

[toxic furnace]

question

is Pearl from early episodes a lunarian?

[mystic crown]

Pearl?

On don kriegs crew

[muted valley]

Huge doubt, oda peolly never thought of that

[swift grotto]

What makes you think that?

[rotund pond]

He might do but I think he’s not being hurt via his Lunarian heritage

[muted valley]

Prolly the fire he did

[violet kestrel]

Who is pearl

[steel sundial]

the dude from don kreig‘s crew

This fella

[muted ember]

Pearl didn't have fire abilities he just caught his shield on fire w sparks

It's like asking if Marigold is Lunarian bc she lit her hair on fire

[sinful helm]

which youtuber started this rumor i saw it couple of hours on this chat and now again

[near pawn]

Wow did anyone notice something strange from the last chap? Shriyu of blackbeard pirates having a similiar sword handle with the sword of shimotsuki kozaburo. Its this the same sword ? What u guys think?

[ornate marsh]

bro what if, one piece isnt actually treasure, what if it was the gomu gomu fruit, what if roger just found the gomu gomu fruit on raftel and decided to call it one piece probably why shanks was angry at luffy when he ate it

[mystic crown]

Real

[sinful helm]

Oda stated that one piece is a tangible thing so we all presume that it will still be there when Luffy gets there

[muted valley]

The bad ones, I swear people make the most wild theories that no way would have been true.

I assumed One Piece was a actual story

Or a story is apart of it

[sinful helm]

I mean some pretty wild theories came true but pearl is so not important its insane if they said that Gin was important somehow then yes but pearl is boring@muted valley

[muted valley]

Define pretty wild

[hoary glade]

I have a small theory based on usopps 40 year old-60 year old look

[muted valley]

Because I have seen some schizophrenic connecting the dots that make zero sense.

Ones like sanji was a prince, wasn't that outlandish to me. As his history wasn't fully explained. He had stated he read a DF book as a kid, which I always chalked up to being rare as hell. As well as him at reverse mountain saying he saw it before, when he originally traveled over the red line. Ontop of the Mr Prince stuff. It wasn't too out there. Like it is a theory and a loose one but nothing out of this world.

[muted valley]

I havnt seen the Usopp old age pic, can I see it and then hear ur thoughts?

[sinful helm]

Like Usopps lies coming true

[muted valley]

I believe in that tbh

Well his og lies at the start, and the brave warrior of the sea part.

Altho he's gotten alot braver.

[hoary glade]

As we can see on his 60 year old version, he is seen with tatoos on his left shoulder. I thought this was weird, so i decided to research it a little bit. I found out that, it was tradition for vikings to gain tatoos as a sign of strength, power and devotion. So this is where my theory lies. I believe that, in elbaf, usopp will do something which makes him respected in elbaf, and these tatoos will almost symbolise his transformation into the brave warrior of the sea he always dreamt of being.

Whilst there isnt much evidence to support this, i think oda kinda hints at it with dorry and grogys designs as there isnt a shot where we see either of their shoulders, which is a pretty strange design for a barbaric giant viking

I personally think it would be a cool concept

[muted valley]

I can see that

[hoary glade]

I personally think its wierd for oda to just randomly give usopp tattoos and this would be a really cool explenation

[muted valley]

Usopp is all about Elbaf and Giant culture. I also believe due to him meeting Droggy and Groggy as well as saving the 2 giants at Enis Lobby. Haruden with his god ussop moment. I feel he will be celebrated. However I do think he will do something else ontop later on.

He also might decide to live at elbaf later on after the story ends.

I don't think it's farfetched, it's hinted at him and Elbaf being a thing. Especially with his perception of it and the giants of him.

[hoary glade]

Does anyone have a hard copy/digital copy of volume 2 of one piece? Oda leaves an authors note on vikings and i wanna see if there are any hints at elbaf in it

[muted valley]

I have been thinking, after OP ends what will the characters do if they're wanted criminals. Like where will they live and such.

[hoary glade]

I have a general concept for all of them, but its mainly due to my theory that the one piece is an explenation of what happened in the void century, what the world government did and how to fix it

[muted valley]

I believe it is that, we'll maybe not fix it. But what will happen. As we saw Time travel is possible so is future predictions. So they likley knew what WILL happen.

[violet kestrel]

God valley might be made of the same material as the red line

[muted valley]

Maybe, in my mind it's either apart of the redline that was left to the luminarians after the formation of the redline. That it is a celestial dragon island, it is a luminarian sanctuary.

[violet kestrel]

Yeah it's likely a former ownership of the lunarians

Maybe a place they stayed outside the red line

So the slaves referred to there are likely lunarians

[muted valley]

Since the lunqinarian reveal I've moved to them over the celestial dragons.

But makes me wonder why the celestial dragons were there as well as rocks.

[hoary glade]

Ill explain.

Basically, it begins with the lunarians, beings that lived on the moon but were hailed as gods by the people below. However, they are eventually killed off by the world government who split the oceon using reverse mountain and place the mariejois people (original leaders of world government) as the new "gods". They then wipe out all history, explaining the void century. However, a man named Joyboy (will explain later) somehow creates the ponygliphs, leading to the island laugh tale, where he prophesises on how the world will once again be one piece.

Back to modern times now. We already know that Gol.D Roger was incapable of pulling this off as he was "born in the wrong generation". However, what if he is referring to the future, and not the past?

See, after luffy travels the world, and finds Laugh Tale, he discovers the secrets of the void century, and finds out what he must do. Using his alliances with shirahoshi, frankys knowledge of the weapon pluton and laboons built up strength, luffy declares an all out war against the government, and eventually destroys the grand line, making the world "one piece" again. This is the All Blue, an oceon where all life swims. Zoro finally becomes the strongest swordsman and retires back to his home village, sanji inherits baratie and sails the all blue, cooking delicious food as he goes. Usopp becomes a brave warrior of the sea, travelling the world and going on adventures. Nami creates a world map and goes back to orange town. Chopper becomes a doctor and studies to find the cure to everything. Franky retires with rhe knowledge that sunny travelled around the world. Brook returns to laboon, robin becomes a teacher and teaches of the void century. But what of luffy?

[violet kestrel]

God valley seems to take some heavy influence from several canyon areas of America

God valley was likely the remains of an ancient civilisation created by the lunarians

The lunarians - native Americans
Europeans - celestials

[muted valley]

I do think that during the void century something happened and the red line was "formed" to what it is we know today.

As a destruction in apart of it will create the all blue, as all 4 oceans connect.

Also Oars being called the continent puller sounds like it isn't just made up but really a true event.

[violet kestrel]

Yeah there was likely a creature who could pull wano together

[hoary glade]

See, his story carries on as he finds out that he is truly Joyboy, and it is his responsibility to start this all off. Somehow travelling back in time, luffy leaves the ponyglyphs around the world after the void century and writes down the famous "Laugh Tale" that starts this off. He then finally retires, giving his hat to someone and having it be passed on until it, one day, falls into the hands of Gol.D Roger.

[violet kestrel]

And luffys attack red rock might have been a hint to god valley

[split glacier]

Y'all seen that Joyboy-Oars theory?

[violet kestrel]

And the destruction of the red lins

[muted valley]

I don't see that in the slightest. We know jack about it. What we were hinted at with the 1 off picture I don't believe will be accurate by the time we truly see a flashback.

[hoary glade]

This also explains why the world government is so scared of the gum gum fruit. It isnt inheritedly strong, but it is what truly starts off this whole crusade and, eventually, leads to their downfall

[violet kestrel]

Theres alot we know about through the references

[hoary glade]

What do yall think of my theory?

[violet kestrel]

Bro ngl I don't really care man

[muted valley]

Where are you getting the native American parts from?

I need to still read it Oke

[hoary glade]

Also the sun god that is referred to is most likely the leader of lunarians, which is why this culture is somehow carried over (to an extent) around most areas in the one piece world

[muted valley]

So my theory is kinda like yours Oke, just not fully fleshed out but I believe bits and pieces of what you said.

[hoary glade]

Furthermore, skypians are the descendants of lunarians, with shandians being direct descendants, explaining their very spiritual culture

Compared to the more technologically based cultures of the others

Probably gonna fully flesh out the theory later

[hoary glade]

Also why tf u on manga theories then 💀

[violet kestrel]

God valley

Valley of gods - utah
A canyon formation with red rock everywhere and rocky structures

Spider rock - arizona
A giant red sandstone piller in a canyon formation

Red rock canyon - arizona
Another red rock location with gorges and shit.

All of these places were previous settlements of native Americans and aztec tribes. That the lunarians and shandians take heavy inspirations

[hoary glade]

If u dont care just dont respond lol

[muted valley]

I shoulda clarified, Navajo in particular

[violet kestrel]

Bro you making a theory of a random ass tattoo usopp has at 60

You kept begging us to read it about why I responded

[muted valley]

That's not what he was referring to tgo

[sinful helm]

Sanji will open a restoraunt on the All blue like zef did in east blue,Usopp will go back and tell his stories of his bravery too Kaya, Zoro will continue training on the island where Kuina grave is, Robin will open an university where Ohara was and make knowledge available too all, Franky will go back too water 7 and be a deliquent, Nami will continue too draw maps of the world, Choper will invent cure that was the dream of his addopted father, Jimbei will work too help Fishmen intrgrate with humans. Luffy well who knows for him

[violet kestrel]

Huh

[muted valley]

He was talking about the lunarians theory and OP

[violet kestrel]

Huh

[muted valley]

He had a whole other theory that he laid out. That was written out.

[violet kestrel]

About usopps tattoo

[muted valley]

Not that one... another theory... he wasn't talking about his tattoo theory

[violet kestrel]

He didn't make that clear

[muted valley]

He posted that theory last dude

[muted ember]

I think Lunarians came from a different moon than the sky races

[violet kestrel]

Skypieans aren't descendants of lunarians they are different tribe entirely

[muted ember]

Probably way before the void century

[muted valley]

I'm with runner and tray. I think each moon has a dif tribe of people

[violet kestrel]

The skypieans are a different tribe

[violet kestrel]

So did I give you enough evidence where I got the native Americans from

European American based archaeologists gave the native Americans in the grand canyon the name anasazi which means

ANCIENT ENEMY

[muted valley]

Prolly not far off tbh, I do see luffy dying earlier than others due to his body being taxed consistently. Altho he might get the Simon treatment from TTGL.

[violet kestrel]

The same way clover described an ancient enemy to the wg

[sinful helm]

either Law with the operation or Choper with the sakura cure saves him

[violet kestrel]

I personally think rocks went to God valley to kill the celestials and free the slaves and then become king

[muted valley]

Yeah I'm still thinking of it. I don't think it's state and tribe based. Especially spider isle.

[violet kestrel]

To say rocks went to God valley to murder slaves alongside the celestials is a bit ridiculous

Part of the main reason to hate them is because of slavery

So sengoku is clearly lying about

[muted valley]

I think your close, I think he was recruiting them. Or disposing of both of them(less likley) due to their possible original purpose.

[violet kestrel]

Why would he dispose of slaves bro.
He likely hates the celestials because of the way they treat people

Tbh I think roger and garp were in the wrong in that incident

[sinful helm]

no on his ship he alowed crewmates too kill each other

[violet kestrel]

Yeah they are pirates

[muted ember]

Ds are natural enemies of the celestials

[sinful helm]

he was a bastard fully and would kill anyone that doesnt join them

[muted valley]

I'd assume if the celestial dragons went for slaves or to wipe them out for being "gods" like them. They would have been persecuting them for ages. So rocks recruiting them to help kill off the celestial dragons is more likley than just freeing slaves.

[violet kestrel]

Wait so because he let pirates kill each other he is a bad guy

[muted ember]

I don't think Rocks was that bad he's probably going to be a lot like Roger and Luffy but darker

[muted valley]

If they don't join a pirates cause I can easily see him just outright killing g them. Black beard would

[sinful helm]

do you even read one piece? and notice that most pirates in this story that are protagonist value their crewmates

[muted ember]

I also don't believe nothing Sengoku says about Ds

[violet kestrel]

I believe the noland and calgara dynamic wasr the reversal of roger and rocks

While calgara was naive about the plague, noland knew the 1000s of people it had killed and the pain it had caused.

[muted valley]

Oda states in a vivre card he does know most inner secrets of the wg

[violet kestrel]

Rocks was knowledgeable, he told roger that the celestials were a plague and about the pain they had caused

Yet roger didn't believe him or didn't care

[muted ember]

That doesn't mean he's going to tell rank and file Marines the truth of what happened lol

[violet kestrel]

He lied about god valley

Theres no way rocks went to kill slaves

I believe what made rocks in the wrong in that incident was the extremity to which he was gonna slaughter them

Garp wouldn't let rocks just go on a killing rampage

Wb probably only betrayed xebec because of the crewmates killing thing

Spider rock- arizona
Valley of Gods utah
Grand canyon

Red line one piece

[kind siren]

Nami x Luffy is more likely than Hancock x Luffy because Luffy got nosebleed from nami being naked whilst having no reacton to hancock being naked

[rugged cove]

oof

[violet kestrel]

Bro is this what theories is for

For bullshit like zettgundam

[hoary glade]

Fr

[muted valley]

I see ussopp X nami over anything else tbh

[violet kestrel]

Bro I realised long ago what you were talking about

You know how fucking late this response is

[hoary glade]

U dont know that tho, we arent given any info on lunarians except they burst in to flames and were considered gods

[muted valley]

But he's got Kaya

[violet kestrel]

Skypieans are different to lunairand in several ways

[hoary glade]

Bruh why u getting so mad in simply correcting u

[violet kestrel]

Because you responded like 13 minutes after we were done talking about that

[hoary glade]

Yes, which is why theyre descendants

[hoary glade]

My bad for not checking the discord every 10 seconds

[violet kestrel]

Yeah no matter what smoke comes out your ass I'm not believing that

[hoary glade]

Aye bro, thats ur choice, not here tryna force an opinion on u, its just a theory

[violet kestrel]

And your evidence is trash bro, no offence

[hoary glade]

What evidence, i literally dont have any external things to back it up, its just an idea

[violet kestrel]

No offence to u as a person but the evidence you gave is kinda non existent

So why tf were you so obsessed with me reading it

[muted valley]

You're the one who got salty when he asked once, talking to me

[violet kestrel]

I said I didn't care

[muted valley]

And missed the point completely

[violet kestrel]

I said I didn't care when he came to me asking us to read it

Theres nothing salty about that

It's not like he did anything to me

But anyway let's move on

[hoary glade]

Not sure how you got "runnerman please read my theory" from "what do yall think"

[violet kestrel]

You asked everyone to read your theory like 2 times bruh

[hoary glade]

Once*

After i sent it

[violet kestrel]

2 but cool
I'm done with this petty talk

[kind siren]

ay yo chill bois lets discuss theory in a rational manner

[violet kestrel]

Fr

[split glacier]

https://youtu.be/7CfjQwVk5ho

[hoary glade]

Bro firstly, it was once pook thru it
Secondly u cant pin the blame on me when u literally started this whole argument when you coulda just ignored me (asking someone else btw) about their opinion on my theory

[split glacier]

Check this one out. I thought it was dumb as first but there's decent links I guess

[violet kestrel]

Okay basically you know about inherited will in one piece.

And how franky and iceberg were under tom. He gave both of them the blueprints and said they were handed down to him from his mentor and this was done for centuries by water 7 builders

Iceberg is alot like Tom
Both very relaxed and kind hearted, don't like building danger things, have dreams to protect water 7.

But Franky although very skillful and excelling at building isn't like them.

I think that Tom used to have his own franky

[hoary glade]

Bro if u wanna stop the argument just dont respond, you dont get the benefit of decided when to be or not be petty. If you didnt want an argument u wouldnt be talking shit. Either apologise or ignore me

[violet kestrel]

I didn't read any of that bullshit

https://tenor.com/view/dylan-obrien-none-not-a-single-one-teen-wolf-gif-11058527

I think Tom's franky was rocks

They were a duo like franky and iceburg and were equally as talented in building

Tom was like iceberg, didn't like building weapons but liked building ships.

Rocks liked building weapons and artillery. He loved goffing around like franky aswell.

I believe their mentor gave them both the plans for pluton.

And I think rocks actually tried to build it.
And the remaining construction is in kaidous Castle which franky will find

Both rocks and franky are named after ships

[split glacier]

Dude said all of that to then run away...

[sinful helm]

that sounds like more of a dream then any valid theory

and whats the basis too that theory?

[split glacier]

He left the server. He ain't coming back after getting heated from that "argument" above lol

[sinful helm]

Oh still that theory makes no sense neither him defending Rocks@split glacier

[split glacier]

I agree. I dunno what he's on about lol

[muted ember]

I think he'll come back if he left it was to avoid being banned

Dude has made like 10 alt accounts in another discord I'm in and won't even try to change his behavior

[split glacier]

I hope he gets the help he needs 🙏
But anyway check that video I replied to when you guys got time.

[muted valley]

Big oof, dude takes everything to heart it seems.

As far as his theory, the time doesn't line up with rocks... Franky also as far as "family" goes like the other OP characters has it in Iceberg and Tom. It's obvious it was some random pirates and Franky got lucky he got adopted by such a good family.

I do wonder tho, did Franky remember Pluton? Also I think it's reasonable to believe he used something from it on the Sunny.

[muted ember]

If he talked about Toki and oars Jr. I seen it

Wait no I think the one I watched is a ripoff lmao

[split glacier]

Yeah I was just saying it to everyone incase the argument drowned out the message lol

[muted ember]

The one u shared came out earlier

[split glacier]

Franky definitely remembers it. He had it and burned it purposely. He was the one out of the 2 who really wanted to build it so I doubt he didn't look and remember it.

[muted valley]

I just wonder if it's fully or partially

But yeah, he Def did read it I agree on that. No way he didn't with his original thoughts as well as him telling Iceberg he might build it.

[split glacier]

Doesn't make much sense for the only guy to know how to build and it's only partially.

[severe ice]

With all of due respect I think if Gets from soul would make believe there are a bunch of users in the OP World.

[muted valley]

He specialized in weapons, so the Gaol cannon in particular. Or like what he took from Vegapunk. He only picked and chose what he wanted.

[pure raven]

Does those black whips coming out of seords look like adv coc coAting as same can be seen when kaido luffy or bm uses to atta k

And with all the other zoro using coc instances in anime and manga tease zoro is a coc user‽

[visual merlin]

he's a coc user at least yea

[pure raven]

Not adv coc ?
As this last panel from chap 1033 gives that vibe

[normal talon]

Zoro with the triple cocting

[visual merlin]

it may be, not completely sure there yet

but he's definitely a coc user

[pure raven]

Well yeah thats confirmed zorococ user
We could possibly see . Sanji using coc too probably next arc

[sinful helm]

Next is Usopp

[cerulean sable]

Hell yesss

God usopp

[toxic furnace]

Sorry for late response but the fact that he can burst himself into flames at a moments notice and control it, like a lunarian, though it might have been a little different in the anime on how he started the fire

[kind gate]

it is

[snow grove]

Zoro killing king is a bad idea no need to exterminate a survivor who can tell a lot of thing about the ancient gods

[lavish raft]

He did not kill anyone

No one I know of

[sinful helm]

techically Ryuma's zombie was killed by him but that wasnt a true death

[lavish raft]

That's not counted

[snow grove]

If kings weak point is his back fire a swordman would prefer to be killed rather than getting his back scratched

[lavish raft]

Oda doesn't really like killing off characters

[snow grove]

Zoro does

[lavish raft]

When

[lofty relic]

I feel like king will talk about something important before he’s defeated. He can still explain things about ancient gods and also lose :•P

[snow grove]

He killed someone in the past

[lavish raft]

Who

[snow grove]

King is narcissistic he wouldn't do something like that I think someone else will explain it

[snow grove]

Dunno check googl

[lavish raft]

But oda won't kill him off

[lofty relic]

He killed ||monet|| right? Or was that from the explosion?…

[dense carbon]

Caesar killed monet by stabbing her heart.

[muted ember]

He killed the original Mr 7 of Baroque Works

[velvet jetty]

Yes zoro killed monet

[muted ember]

Zoro did not kill Monet Ceasar stabbed her heart

[snow grove]

I bet luffys gear 5 will get black and gold instead of black and red

[pastel sluice]

he killed that one guy from wano the samurai

the magistrate i think thats what its called

[sinful helm]

allegedly zoro killed mr7 when he tried recruiting him

[muted valley]

What I havnt seen spoken about.

So was King a old Jailer in Impel Down?

The story from Who's who about the laughing God, and him saying the Jailer mysteriously disappeared.

Also Kings outfit looks like Shiriyus just with dif buttons.

Also King is a sadist as we have been told. Just like all the other Jailers.

[muted ember]

I don't think he's a sadist I think he likes taking pain

[pure raven]

So uhh a masochist?

Tbf he does looks like he is into hardcore bdsm

[pure raven]

Hmmm we know that kaido has been captured a lot of times in the past but do you think kaido was Sent to impel down?

If he was then king being a jailer wouldn't be too outlandish to think about

[muted ember]

Something like that lol

[muted valley]

He was specifically labeled a sadist not a masochist. His outfit is also hiding what he looks like.

Also it has been stated that he loves torturing people. He even stated as much about what he said he wanted to do to sanji and how Queen wasn't doing enough to break the spirit of Kid and Luffy

[muted valley]

Could be, but we heard no one escaped besides shiki. I can see who's who sky walking out. But kaido might have been sent to impel down and king joined him. Which lead to that one thing about how Kaido sunk 6 or 9 battleships.

Before he was imprisoned

[muted ember]

It never says he loves torturing ppl it said he loves torture

[pure raven]

Yo don't give people more fan fic ideas

[muted ember]

Once it's revealed it won't matter lol open the flood gates

[muted valley]

What he implied with the prison about breaking wills of people is torture.

Which queen retorted by saying he is a sadist freak

[muted ember]

The panel?

[weak arrow]

This is the panel. Would probably need the japanese to show which one it really is.

"You incompetent" isn't really giving me good feelings about the translation

[sand sail]

^ Could probably cross reference the anime on this one, I'm sure they use the same word

[muted ember]

But where did King say he would torture ppl?

[sand sail]

Queen is saying it for him ^

[weak arrow]

from that specific translation, you could interpret it that king is a masochist, or interpret he's a sadist.

Imo it's the latter

[sand sail]

I imagine because of him saying it in reference to talking down about how well Queen can break spirits, it's probably the latter yeh

[muted ember]

That's all I'm saying

[severe ice]

Nakamas, what do you think about this thread https://twitter.com/TypicalJAnt/status/1464938704368291843?t=arQB5LMXoYtqlNZgPoKoMQ&s=19

[weary rose]

Devil Fruits = The abilities passed on from dead Lunarians

[junior cape]

pretty sure incompetent can be used as a noun. https://www.google.com/search?q=incompetent&oq=incompe&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0i433i512j46i433i512j0i433i512l2j0i512l5.2382j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

[muted valley]

https://youtu.be/kHsHBYzuDBQ

@muted ember

[muted ember]

Anime not canon, I asked for the panel

[muted valley]

This one refers to him as a sadistic pervert

[muted ember]

That could be a clip from a fan sub

[muted valley]

And the manga isn't fan translated?

[muted ember]

There's official scans

[muted valley]

Do you pay for them?

[weak arrow]

it's the official clip from crunchyroll.

[muted ember]

Still I asked for the panels, which don't say it

[muted valley]

Chapter 925

It's litterally implying he loves torturing people. In how he implying he would do it better than queen. With queen claiming he loves torture.

Prisoners don't do the torture

[muted ember]

He didn't imply anything about him torturing them he just said Queen was taking too long

[muted valley]

Do you understand subtext?

He's litterally acting and implying he would do it better than queen would

[muted ember]

I understand that the panel doesn't say what you're claiming

It says he's a torture loving pervert which is what I said

What did he say he wanted to do to Sanji?

[muted valley]

With ripping him inhalf and implying him for everyone to see

So queen calling him a torture loving pervert after King implied that queen sucked at making 2 cheeky prisoners spirits break was because he is a masochist and not a sadist? When the act of torturing prisoners is sadistic?

I'm not saying he isn't also a masochist but he most certainly is sadistic and enjoys torturing people.

[split glacier]

Sheesh 🙄

[muted ember]

That's not torture he was trying to kill him in a war that's just what he's supposed to do

Also he probably knows Queen likes to toy with ppl which is why he didn't break Luffy's spirit bc he was having fun making him fight to save Hyo

Queen actually enjoys torturing ppl so it doesn't makes sense for him to use that as an insult against King unless he likes being tortured

And could u explain why King said "Jackpot" when Zoro stabbed him? It's almost like he's congratulating him for doing damage which is weird af then he exploded? I'm telling u he's a pervert lol

[snow grove]

do coc have an impact on giants?

[muted ember]

Not that we've seen

[modest skiff]

One of my giant theories is that all of them have at least the roar version of CoC. Their distinguished warriors all have Cocting

[muted valley]

Because that was to cause the explosion? Which would have caused Zoro serious harm had he not used CoA? We have seen that King is not getting damaged from Zoro and exploded when hit in a certain area. Purposely taking the hit.

How the hell is ragging about someone sucking at breaking a prisoners spirit which is done with physical and mental torture. Then getting called a perverted torture pervert mean You want to be the one getting the punishment?

Show me the panel then since you want to refute my statement about impaling sanji.

[muted ember]

That's not what Queen was doing he was entertaining himself with pit fights and eating Oshiruko. King probably knew that bc he knows Queen.

I didn't refute your statement about Sanji I was just pointing out that he doesn't have to like torturing to try and kill Sanji, it's a war and he's leading it

I'm saying Queen was not putting the necessary toll on Luffy to break his spirit not even close. If not for Hyo Luffy would have been having fun and training

[muted ember]

I found the panel btw he doesn't say he wants everyone to see in the version I'm looking at

I feel like this is pretty normal dialogue for a OP fight I don't think it implies torture

[snow grove]

A giant with coc its gonna cause a mess

[shadow pollen]

lunaria

[fathom matrix]

They're probably called Lunarians because they worshiped they moon. Maybe not come from the moon, but they worhsiped it like a god, but the D clan worshiped the sun.

[pearl shale]

i have seen many theory that awaken logia devil fruit users can change the weather as we see in punk hazard i do not think that is the case because it is not very power full . i think that a awaked logia user can make thing out of there power like when kizaru make the sword when fighting Rayleigh and as ace can make fire spiers or Aokiji making the trident to fight Whitebeard . people did not notice that almost every logia devil fruit user is very powerful there are only 4 that i could think of that are not awaked

1 Caribou

2 black beard (this one is not certain because when we see him fight it not been so long since he ate his devil fruit maybe now he have awakened his fruit

3 Eneru (because he use a weapon to fight )

4 sabo

[latent zodiac]

I have a dumb idea. If you put Zoro in the biggest maze in the world normally he wouldnt be able to find his way right?

What if you put Sake at the end of it?

would that be enough to override his horrible directions?

[grand walrus]

interesting theory, will take into consideration

do you have evidence from the manga to back it up?

[latent zodiac]

Well Zoro has done it multiple times.

most recently at the gate of onigashima

Sanji: wheres zoro

Zoro: I can smell quality sake for miles.

(He comes back with a giant barrel of sake despite having horrible direction sense)

(Or something along the lines of that, dont remember exactly the words)

Right before this scene, ep 983 of the anime... forgot which manga volume this is adapting

[shadow pollen]

this filler

[fathom matrix]

I think there's a relationship. Maybe they were comrades

[shut finch]

Chapter 977

[latent zodiac]

He literally comes back with a barrel of sake and uses directions out of nowhere

"Hey moss head, where did you find that?"

"What kind of sense of smell do you have?

[pine delta]

I wonder why oda is choosing to bring lunarians into plot

I want to theorize but I don’t know where to even begin, we already had an oppressed race from WG in fishman so what purpose do lunarians serve?

[white merlin]

Maybe the lunarians have something to do with the void century

[near osprey]

Most are wiped out and was expressed by Queen to be an extremely powerful race

So it's fair that they had a late introduction if they're extremely powerful and a rare race.

[mossy rune]

The thing is, if they were this strong how could have they been whiped out? I know that King is probably exceptionally strong even for a Lunarian but still it seems like they were an incredibly strong race

[near osprey]

Could've happened during the Void Century and is why they're not a commonly known race amongst the public.

Mind you JoyBoy wasn't able to deliver on the promises he made during his journey through the VC so the same force that ultimately defeated him was also capable of killing Lunarians

[latent zodiac]

Thoughts?

Maybe zoro is actually really good at directions, just needs the right motivation

[near osprey]

My theory is he's not actually bad with directions he just follows the strongest scent of alcohol cause he always finds alcohol

[latent zodiac]

inb4 the largest stash of sake in the world is located on laughtale

[near osprey]

The All Booze

[latent zodiac]

Binkusu no sake wo...

[near osprey]

Hate when people say Sanji can't get Conq cause he doesn't have kingly ambitions but man literally wants to find the All Blue which would supply the entire world with an easy supply of food

Every fish from every coast in one area just swimming freely imagine the population

[abstract pond]

Call us when there is supermarket haki

Also, conquering is not the same as being a king. So conquering the All Blue...

[latent zodiac]

K

[near osprey]

Sanji would be just as legendary as Luffy and Zoro

Fixing the hunger problem for the entire world??

Mind you Chopper wants to cure everything

The SHs are literally a crew of future legends

[latent zodiac]

He is and im tired of him not being considered so.

In his defense we havent had a sanji feeds anyone moment in a long time...

I miss that sanji

[visual merlin]

well now you're implying chopper can get coc

[near osprey]

Nahh not saying Chopper will get CoC just saying everyone on that crew kinda has Kingly Ambitions

Sanji getting it really isn't far off from reality.

Now will he during Wano? I don't believe so but we'll get that answer shortly

[visual merlin]

well then why is chopper getting it far from reality?

[near osprey]

Cause Chopper doesn't primarily play a combat role like Sanji does there's no need for him to really.

His medical skills are already Conq Level

[latent zodiac]

Im a healer

but..

[visual merlin]

there's no need for either of them to, sanji's primary role is cooking

[night karma]

Brooooooo

[visual merlin]

His cooking skills are Conq level

[night karma]

@near osprey Go to sleep alr

[near osprey]

Yeah but he's also expressed as being Luffy's wings

[near osprey]

It's 6PM and I'm discussing OP cause I enjoy it chill out

[visual merlin]

yea he's one of the stronger ones. But his primary role isn't fighting either

and like, why wouldn't franky, jinbe, brook get conq at that point too?

[night karma]

Jimbei getting it would actually make sense because he actually led something… the fishmen

[visual merlin]

but then every leader ever may as well be a coc user

[night karma]

what has sanji led

[visual merlin]

he's led part of the strawhats at some point, franky led his family

[night karma]

exactly all of the SHs would get it

[visual merlin]

?

[near osprey]

Cause it wouldn't make sense for them to develop Conq it'd make sense for Sanji to develop it as he's going to remain on equal footing with Zoro for the entirety of OP. He's getting his Germa Buff right now but I don't think it's far fetched to assume he'll get the Conquerer Buff later on.

[visual merlin]

and thats of course not going to actually happen

[visual merlin]

Why would it make sense for sanji and not them?

[night karma]

It would make so much sense for jimbei lol

[night karma]

i responded incorrectly

[near osprey]

Because narratively they wouldn't necessarily need it.

[visual merlin]

narratively sanji doesn't need it either

[modest skiff]

CoC is not just a leadership thing. Doffy wasn’t leading when he used it as a kid. Neither Yamato

[near osprey]

They don't end up finding extremely powerful characters like Sanji would

[visual merlin]

Its not like the narrative in any way requires sanji to get it

[night karma]

Have you been reading folarinpiece or something?

[visual merlin]

most extremely powerful people still don't have cocting, and if it's normal coc, its irrelevant in the battle

so why would he need coc? And is he also going to be getting cocting since it matters for powerful characters?

[abstract pond]

Whole Cake Island, when Luffy refused to eat until Sanji prepares him food

[near osprey]

Wano is only the beginning of the Monster Trio reaching their peaks where that'll lead Sanji in terms of strength and his level of Haki has yet to be seen I don't think it's far off to assume he may develop Conq Haki in the next couple of arcs

[visual merlin]

okay but why would he get it and not the other strawhats

or why does it make sense for him to get it and not the other strawhats

[near osprey]

Because the people he's taking on from this point will most certainly be on a higher level than Queen and I imagine by the end of his fight with Queen he'll already be pushed to his limits. So he's going to need to push further beyond what he's capable of to defeat future enemies.

Zoro awakened his Conq Haki to beat King

[modest skiff]

I’d say it’s 50/50 whether or not Sanji gets conq. Not really much to theorize about it tbh

[abstract pond]

I don't think Sanji will get conq haki because his power up is gonna come from his body change in the last episodes. Not everyone needs to have conq to be strong

[night karma]

what if it’s a diff upgrade other than CoC tho ?

[visual merlin]

He probably won't come across too many enemies stronger than queen, we're near the end of the story. And if he does, there's plenty of ways to powerup just like the other strawhats have options.

[night karma]

why does he have to get CoC now, just bc Zoro?

[modest skiff]

He already got significant upgrades via his apparent bioengineering turning on for some reason

[visual merlin]

and again, coc is only going to help if he's got cocting, which is gonna be even harder to justify

[near osprey]

I'm saying it's a possibility not that it's a sure thing but I personally lean more towards him developing it. Coating is already something he uses pretty often and Conq Coating would only enhance the power of his kicks.

Armament*

[abstract pond]

It would feel cheap if everyone that reaches certain point has conq

[visual merlin]

If by coating you just mean armament haki, then I guess? And plenty of things would make him stronger or enhance his kicks, conversely, conq coating would also enhance the attacks of the other strawhats. I get if you think he gets CoC I guess, but I don't think you've presented any real reason for why he should get it, but not the others even though you've just argued all of em have "kingly ambitions"

[near osprey]

Not all but most I will backpedal there. Each one in their own right will merely go down in history as much as Luffy will.

But Zoro's is considered Kingly and I will say Sanji's is as well same as Chopper's or Nami's

Actually all of the members have some Kingly trait to be real honest here.

They're all kinda the best at their own fields of expertise.

Or will be by series end.

[visual merlin]

Im not getting the point here, what is this supposed to reply to in that message?

[near osprey]

Well people argue Sanji won't develop CoC because he isn't Kingly I'm merely stating every member of that Crew in some shape or form is Kingly. Now am I saying they'll all develop Conq? No because there isn't a need for them too. Would I be upset if Sanji doesn't get it? No cause I'm sure Oda's alternate buff routes for Sanji will still be amazing. Do I find it to be far fetched he will? Not at all I'm sure ultimately whatever Oda decides everyone will still be satisfied with the results.

Oda more than likely is considering if he wants to have Law and Sanji develop it by series end. Or if Wano will be the end of the Conq User's

[visual merlin]

There isn't a need for any of them to. So im asking why you think sanji should get it/why sanji makes sense to get it , but not the others. What you've given me so far is just things like "well he'll have to fight stronger people" to which again, there are other powerups for that, and the others will also be fighting stronger people. I think if you're going to make a claim such as all of them having kingly ambitions or traits, you then should have a good way of explaining why sanji should get it and not them

[near osprey]

Well Sanji is an experienced Haki User, aside from Jinbei I don't think anyone else uses it on the Crew. It'd be an absurd power boost if they developed Haki and Conquerer's at the same time.

and if Jinbei we're to have it I feel like he would've had it in his younger years.

I'd say that'd be a fair enough argument as to why Sanji would get it and not others.

[visual merlin]

Sure, I don't consider that a great reason for him to get it, but that's at least a reason he'd be more likely to get it than them

[near osprey]

Now if someone did by some miracle develop it, I'd go as far as to say it'd only be Usopp and what would awaken CoC in Usopp? the death of Dorry or Brogy during the wildly anticipated Elbaf arc, and the only reason I say it'd be Usopp is because of the Conq Gag we had earlier in Onigashima. Like Oda is trying to butter us up to the idea of him actually awakening CoC

But I will sit with more of that as a joke from Oda than something he's hinting at later on.

But let's switch gears here, I want to discuss where Oda will take Big Mom and Kaido post Wano. Personally I don't believe they will be antagonistic towards Luffy anymore. But I also play around with the idea of them eventually allying with Blackbeard considering his apparent relation to Xebec in some shape or form.

[visual merlin]

dead

kaido at least

[near osprey]

Why dead?

[visual merlin]

because kaido's got a plot point around death, lots of people want kaido dead, and if he's not dead he could just come back, after all he said he won't accept any place but wano

plus, they're not gonna be recurring enemies forever

Big mom herself implies she'll be taken from her throne if she loses to law and kid here

but yea, mainly kaido's gonna die

maybe big mom won't

[pure raven]

I believe they will both die, just because it makes no sense to have all of these powerups such as Luffy's conquerors haki thing, Kidd and Law's devil fruit awakenings, even Zoro's conquerors haki (King will die as well)

[visual merlin]

well I don't understand that

why do powerups mean they'd die?

[near osprey]

Well here's what I think is the most likely outcome personally. Typically Oda doesn't kill someone off unless it's necessary if Kaido dies I think he'd die fighting the WG un the final arc(?) I don't think Oda would be done with Kaido by the end of Wano either.

I imagine he'll come to the conclusion Luffy is JoyBoy and find amusement in the fact.

[pure raven]

Because the only other path, as you mentioned where they end up befriending each other would totally tip the power scaling in Luffy's favor for sure, and at least one death must happen for some sort of satisfaction for the characters? idk actually that may just be my bias

[near osprey]

Because then he knows that war he's been waiting for is coming and that he won't be leading it.

[visual merlin]

Alright but why? It'd be especially weird having someone like Kaido in the final war, and if anything luffy being joyboy would probably means he wants to fight him

[visual merlin]

What do powerups have to do with any of this?

[near osprey]

He is fighting him now, he's about to watch him grow in front of his very eyes for the sole purpose of taking him down.

He'll see first hand what Luffy is capable of and I think he'd want him to grow stronger.

[modest skiff]

The way deaths would be used in the way you are describing would be cheap and way below Oda's standards

[near osprey]

Plus Kaido is a character who is shown to respect strength. I imagine his opinion on Luffy would change if he ended up losing the fight.

Considering the fact Shanks some how convinced him to turn around during Marineford is a testament to that.

[toxic furnace]

Didn't shanks get him drunk in order to do that

[near osprey]

Was that clarified?

[toxic furnace]

Oh your right, it was never clarified

[near osprey]

I mean I wouldn't mind that being the case seems very Kaido-like imo

[upbeat vector]

zoro getting his luffy v katakuri fight rn

[near osprey]

But when Kaido referenced people who could harm him it was Xebec, Roger, Shanks and Whitebeard so I imagine at some point they did fight.

[near osprey]

That's also how I view his and Sanji's fight.

[upbeat vector]

question ik people hate any theory in this discord that revolved around powerscaling and bounties

[muted ember]

Kaido not dying

[upbeat vector]

but saw somewhere that after this arc if big mom and kaido end up going down lfufy bounty will be higher then both of theres and more near whitebeard/rogers

[modest skiff]

Power scaling and bounty discussion should be in the manga channels not here

[toxic furnace]

Big mom might

[muted ember]

I think if a Yonko dies it will probably be Shanks

[upbeat vector]

which makes alot of sense since his increase wouldnt be like blackbeard considering blackbeard pretty much finessed a weakened whitebeard who had gone throw a wholewar

@muted ember yeah i could see that i think the shanks movie is a really good way to kinda give info and alot of shit abotu shanks without adding another 40+ episodes of lore

[near osprey]

I like how Marineford essentially expressed to us that a battle with a Yonko Garners all of the attention of the WG so essentially their level of strength is literally World Government scale. and now we're finally at the point where Luffy is about to hit that level.

[upbeat vector]

i feel like no matter what even after this shit with kaido either this arc or the next one luffy has to get another powerup to fight blackbeard i just cant see him winning even after this

especially if blackbeard has conq,obvs and arm

[near osprey]

Yeah no he will Blackbeard is broken

He already probably held the strongest Logia DF when he fought Ace, now he has Whitebeard's which was most likely the strongest Paramecia type

Zoro is going to have a tough time overcoming Shiryu as well.

[upbeat vector]

have you seen that kraken theory? that makes alot of sense

[near osprey]

Him getting a Zoan type next?

[latent zodiac]

Well thats luffy.

But i appreciate those kinds of sanji scenes

[upbeat vector]

@near osprey no the theory is that he initially always had the zoan type and whitebeards fruit was his 3rd. Krakens have 3 hearts as well on top of his ship or whatever the fuck it is having

[near osprey]

and it's a Kraken?

[latent zodiac]

Is this the fuckin octo theory again?

[upbeat vector]

yeah the theory is that he has a mythical zoan fruit yeah

[latent zodiac]

I like anything involving blackbeard

[upbeat vector]

It made alot of sense pretty much saying how krakens can hide in plain site AKA blackbeard was hiding in plain site for the longest and just shoed up out of nowhere. The chapter they reveal blackbears fruit and that he can absorb multiple it pans to somebody in the navy and right next to them is a marine with a octopus on his face. Then there's the whole thing with shanks saying he doesn't sleep Krakens or octo's only sleep in spurs of 40-60 seconds so that there enemies wont catch them sleeping or something. it makes sense he does that since you wouldn't even be able to tell he's sleeping etc

[near osprey]

Actually looked up how long Octopus sleep I mean it's plausible and explains his whole no sleep thing.

But there's the matter of why he's never used it.

[modest skiff]

The kraken theory isn't good because a teapot and a sword both use a devil fruit

[near osprey]

I get holding your cards to your chest but that's a lot of hold back.

[modest skiff]

Most indications so far have been that when an object is deeply loved or cared for, it can gain a soul, like merry and swords, so perhaps 3 souls is the only one that slightly makes sense.

And yet, we already know he uses a devil fruit which squelches the power of a devil fruit and since he is a logia, he can control where in his body it is happening. So from my perspective, we already have a fairly solid reason for him to be able to use multiple fruits, by segregating where they are in his body and turning them on and off at will.

But its important to keep in mind 3 skulls on his flag does not indicate 3 devil fruits directly. It could mean a lot of things. It could be that he is the 2nd person to inherit a specific will or something like that

[near osprey]

I'd say he inherited the Will of Xebec, as his is to Conquer the World and that doesn't seem out of character for something he strives for as well.

[modest skiff]

I still give a huge thumbs down to the idea that Xebec wanted to rule the world. I think Xebec was fighting the oppression of the CDs

[muted ember]

Yea the government is clearly lying about Xebec

[near osprey]

But Garp and Roger fought Xebec together

[modest skiff]

As if WB and BM would join forces with some bond villain, its just totally outrageous

We don't know what the situation was, we just know that Garp and Sengoku are both cowards, so I am inclined to assume it was complicated

[sand sail]

Well, they are all pirates, remember. Whitebeard was a decent guy, but it's not like he was this pillar of morality on the seas, to be fair

And if that were his younger days, he could've been much rowdier than we see him later

[near osprey]

Unless he's actually Dragon by some twist.

[modest skiff]

In his earlier days he seemed very wholesome. When was WB outwardly aggressive or evil or something?

In One Piece, pirates are first and foremost, from what we can tell, seeking freedom

Pirates in One Piece are not intended to be as simple as people looking to loot. While plenty are bad guys, I think it is becoming clear the first pirates in One Piece were freedom fighters

[sand sail]

Seeking freedom and exercising it through criminal activity for the most part. Not too many are just out there trying to be decent folks on the sea

[modest skiff]

I don't see that in WB though

[sand sail]

Whitebeard himself was known to be a vengeful, murderous demon when it came to actual fighting too. His whole reputation for seeking revenge for a fallen son was known worldwide

Roger, as well, was known to turn into something of the same when his crew was slighted

[modest skiff]

I don't see that as unethical though, just a different way to do things

Unless it was unprovoked and aggressive, I think that type of vengence can be justified

[sand sail]

Well, I didn't say unethical, just rowdy. Xebec could have had entirely different plans, but roped everyone in under the guise of toppling the Celestial Dragons

In which case, it makes perfect sense for someone like Whitebeard to lend his strength to the cause, especially if the dragons had done something against him around that time as well

[modest skiff]

In my eyes, WB and BM would not have signed up unless they had good reason to. I think Xebec pitched it as overthrowing the CDs, which is clearly a very ethical thing to do

[sand sail]

Everyone else would've wanted to do it for power, but if Whitebeard had recently lost someone close to him because of the government, wanting to throw his lot in with Xebec to seek revenge isn't farfetched

[near osprey]

World Domination seems to be Kaido and BMs ultimate goal.

[sand sail]

Big Mom would've signed up just because it's fun and she'd get more power and status from it

[modest skiff]

Disagree with BM, unclear with Kaido

[near osprey]

They expressed it when they decided to ally with eachother.

[sand sail]

She's extremely two dimensional when it comes to status, she'd have done it because she was already ruling nations and forcing people under her wing

[near osprey]

Take over the world then go back to killing one another.

[modest skiff]

Yeah, take over the power structure of the CDs, then kill each other

[sand sail]

Kaido as well actually has stated that he's always wanted a massive world full of war, so it makes sense for him to go with Xebec too. He was also young, not exactly the best thinker I imagine

[modest skiff]

Overall I feel the language used can also mean they are just removing the existing power structure, not also sitting on a throne themselves

[sand sail]

Not take over, just topple entirely and let pirates reign

[modest skiff]

I would replace "reign" with "do as they please". But I still think pirates began as revolutionaries

[near osprey]

But they had the luck of Luffy being ready to topple them

[latent zodiac]

So why did WB join rocks you think?

[near osprey]

Pirate Crews were more rare during that time I'm sure.

[modest skiff]

I think its just that Xebec explained the void century and why the CDs are awful and WB was like "Well that's awful, lets go mess those dudes up"

[near osprey]

Roger started the Great Pirate Era, most of the outstanding crews are remnants of Roger's Generation.

[sand sail]

Xebec probably didn't know about it himself, not if Roger were the first person to reach Lodestar in 800 years

[latent zodiac]

I love how hes called whitebeard despite not having a white beard

[sand sail]

But it was implied he was trying, at least

[latent zodiac]

But a white moustache

[near osprey]

He calls it a beard

[modest skiff]

I think its possible Xebec knew about the void century but lacked the capability to reach Lodestar

[sand sail]

Unless he could read the poneglyphs and gathered them all, I don't think that's very possible tbh

[modest skiff]

I'd say its totally possible Xebec just needed Pluton to go blow up Marie Jois

[sand sail]

He'd have had to come from an extremely specific background in that case. Not impossible, but very unlikely

That could be it, really. He may not have known about the Void Century at all, and just wanted to get the ancient weapons

[modest skiff]

I am generally of the belief that all of the insider info BM, Kaido and WB all have came from Xebec

[sand sail]

Which would entirely be a reason to erase him from history, too

[modest skiff]

As to how Xebec came to know these things, I do not know

[near osprey]

Well Kaido had to learn about JoyBoy from someone.

[latent zodiac]

You guys think franky built sunny with the remaining schematics for pluton before he burned it?

[sand sail]

Well, Big Mom doesn't seem to have any except that the Road glyphs are important. Kaido may have known something from Xebec with Joyboy and all, Whitebeard didn't actually have any info outside of the Lunarians being a thing

And hell, Xebec could've been a Lunarian himself

[modest skiff]

perhaps gaon canon is a crude version of pluton but that's it

Yeah, I am of the belief that Xebec is a Lunarian and it is a reason Kaido took in King

[sand sail]

Nah, that's just his Coup De Burst

But from the front lol

[near osprey]

Pluton was a weapon of mass destruction

[modest skiff]

Xebec's silhouette looks like the Yami, but I think in reality its fire from him being Lunarian

[grizzled fog]

Maybe he incorporated some parts of it, but not too much, or else It kind of messes with his dream if the ship isn’t originally his design imo

[near osprey]

Thousand Sunny is a ship of smiles 🙂

[latent zodiac]

Also whats with blackbeard and giant logs?

He really likes uncut tree logs on his ship

[near osprey]

Maybe he's a Lumberjack and it's a hobby of his

[grizzled fog]

Which part looks like fire?

[latent zodiac]

Maybe he hides his wings and fire

[near osprey]

I think we will finally see Xebec real soon

[grizzled fog]

I’ve always pictured it as a headdress

[modest skiff]

I've taken this to be a bit fire'ish

[near osprey]

Kaido still needs a flashback so

[modest skiff]

But Vemqi you are right that it isn't super clear

[modest skiff]

This would make sense because it would be consistent with my theory that Xebec's sister was Garp's wife lol

[latent zodiac]

Def he gonna be mentioned in elbaf. I really want to get to elbaf cause usopp is rumored to be a HUMUNGOUS player on elbaf

[near osprey]

He needs to be it's his arc.

[latent zodiac]

Once they leave wano and they find out whats happenin in the world

[near osprey]

One of his goals became seeing Elbaf so it's only right he gets more focus.

[modest skiff]

Since we are on the topic, I hope you all don't mind if I repost my Dragon/Xebec theory

My theory regarding the fact that Dragon looks kinda like Xebec: Xebec's sister is Garp's wife and Dragon's mother. She was killed in a situation that was both the fault of CDs and pirates. This led to Garp having his unwavering belief that pirates must be contained/arrested/thwarted. This also led to Xebec deciding to destroy the CDs entirely and Dragon taking a similar perspective, that ultimately the CDs are the reason Dragon's mother was killed. I think this is the reason Garp will 100% not listen to CDs and also why he is given a bit of a pass. He is not only a hero but also was clearly wronged by the CDs. I think it is a situation where both parties are at fault but Xebec/Dragon decided it was mostly the CDs.

[latent zodiac]

I think they can actually lump in kaido once xebec has his story

[modest skiff]

What do you guys think of my theory? I think it explains a lot and is pretty consistent with what we have seen

[muted ember]

Kaido getting his own flashback

[near osprey]

Every antagonist has a flashback

[muted ember]

That's not true

[latent zodiac]

Axe hand Morgan

[near osprey]

Every major one

[muted ember]

Crocodile didn't have a flashback

[near osprey]

aside from Crocodile I'd say

Be weird for Kaido to not have one.

Especially if some people expect him to be dead by arcs end, he'd end up being an empty character. His only purpose was for Yamato to join at that point.

[latent zodiac]

Wapol
Crocodile
Caesar clown
Saint Charlos
Jack
Queen

[near osprey]

Queen will

It'll be during his fight with Sanji and the experiments

[latent zodiac]

Apoo

Freakin.... Enel

[near osprey]

Enel wasn't major

[latent zodiac]

Enel just showed up one day and never left

[near osprey]

Mr.3 was more major than Enel

[latent zodiac]

I like mr3 as much as the next guy but i can agree that enel is a major villain

[manic relic]

Last episode showed us that the man Hawkins was talking about who has 1% chance to live until tomorrow was: X Drake. I think that this was not revealed in the manga?

[modest skiff]

Oh what really? And you are right, not shown in manga yet

[pure raven]

LOL

[junior cape]

When Oda finally cuts back to Kaido vs. Luffy, and Kid/Law vs. Big Mom, I imagine we're gonna get a dual backstory from the emperors. It'll start off as brief flashbacks in each of their fights to their stake in the God Valley incident, until finally we go back to meet Rox and the crew, and see how events really unfolded.

Can't wait to see it. The Rocks crew really needs more fleshing out

[modest skiff]

Well I’d say that’s fairly conclusive and very interesting

XDrake having 1% chance to survive makes me think he joins SHs

(Not that I am trying to start a who joins discussion)

[junior cape]

No, we already know his ultimate goal is getting back to the Navy. His plan currently though is to survive.

[modest skiff]

Yeah, we’ll see

[manic relic]

Nah he will stay at the navy and will change the navy from within together with the “good navys” like: fujitora garp aokiji smoker tashigi coby helmeppo. Drake was also not happy with CP0 being in Wano making deals with pirates

I even think there is more chance that an ex yonko commander will join Strawhats for example Marco than that Drake will join them

[muted ember]

I think Marco is Whitebeard's actual son

[ripe geyser]

No it’s Weevil

Anyone here think we’re gonna learn who Nami’s parents are? Or at least who one of them is?

[muted ember]

Yes

[ripe geyser]

We know at least one parent of each East Blue crew member except for Zoro (though I think we’re gonna learn about his family real soon) and Nami

[muted ember]

We know Franky's parent(s)?

[ripe geyser]

I forgot to mention out of all the East Blue members

Not out of all the Crewmates

Tbh I’m not so sure we’ll get to know who Franky or Brook’s parents are

[junior cape]

I don't think that's especially relevant for Nami in the story. She already had her massive emotional moment back in East Blue, and now she's truly loyal to the crew. Knowing who her parents are now wouldn't really add much to the story, especially since her entire backstory is built off of Bellemere and Nojiko.

As for Zoro, we already know his backstory of Kuina and the village, but now his backstory is not just his own; it is also the backstory of his swords.

[muted ember]

Sanji got a backstory that had nothing to do with Zeff and Baratie so idk why Nami couldn't be the same

[grizzled fog]

It’s not that she couldn’t get one, there’s just not much room for one and there’s really no reason for her to have one at this point, Bellemere found her when she was just an infant iirc

[latent zodiac]

I dont think we really need to tbh

[muted valley]

Sanji litterally had brought up history of his that didn't line up with his origin. Like training to be a chef with no prior mention of his family, traveling over the red line, reading a df book(something we originally shown that most people in East blue didn't even believe in DFs. Let alone have an encyclopedia on them and their abilities.) Being from a completely different sea.

Which all were later discussed with the Mr Prince theory. If anything Zoros lineage would be much more likley since we were shown nothing of his family just that he trained to be a swordsman in a random village that had bushido and samurai style teachings.

[latent zodiac]

Belle mere is all we need 😔

[fervent mantle]

Hehe i think i have a theory that when the lunarians lived on god valley island and when the incident happened the lunarians were exterminated but kaido found 1 lunarian kid and secretly took him in.

[mighty elm]

800 years ago, there might be a kingdom that dominated the world and its existence is wiped off history ( Part of Void Century ) The Kingdom holds a message for the future and that is the reason that poneglyphs can't be destructed.. the message wants to tell the future about a dangerous enemy. This enemy wiped history and made the Void Century. The world government was created 800 years ago.. The WG banned Poneglyph research ( which proves my point of them creating void century so they can have power ) WG also banned the creation of ancient weapons ( the blueprints are in poneglyphes like the one at fishman island ) Ohara researchers said that the weapon wouldn't cause any harm if left alone. WG fears the goal and existence of it. What Clover said really relates to Imu's descriptions and "What is his true goal in making void century?" We know that the Rocks Pirates wanted to take over the world. Im-sama wants to do the same. No one is brave enough to fight Im-sama and the WG. He can't take over the world due to the family of D., who lives in the shadows of the past, disrupting him. Back to the point, what is the goal of the ancient weapon that the WG is so terrified about? The goal is probably unlocking Joy Boy's treasure.. which is, the One Piece. Joy Boy is definitely affiliated with the ancient kingdom. The person who finally finds the ultimate goal will go on a mission. The mission is the ultimate mission that JoyBoy and the Ancient Kingdom is trying to achieve, which is... Freedom, or is it something else?

PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I SAID SOMETHING WRONG

[versed hamlet]

The lunarians lived on the redline and celestial dragons already lived there.

[muted valley]

I believe King didn't adopt king. He's was a Jailer for impel down. As he told Who's who about the sun God Nika, as he would know. Kaido was captured by the marines. So King might have left with kaido. With who's who leaving the following day after the Jailer (in this case King) told him about Nika because he thought he was next.

King wears an outfit similar to other wardens of impel down like Shiriyu. We first know he's with kaido 20 years prior when Oden and Kaido fought.

I think King did survive God Island and was from there but worked for the WG in a place to express his anger freely (Jail) until a opportunity came. Like did with Shiriyu and BB.

[muted valley]

We don't know if they lived at the same time. Just know they were on the redline. God valley a refuge of "gods" being attacked by pirates and Celestial dragons isn't far fetched.

With Celestial dragons wanting slaves and Rocks wanting to recruit strong species who can survive anywhere, where it's join or death isn't far fetched.

King would have been 7 and this makes that other kaido adoption theory plausible. But I think there's more to it as it's also when BM gave Kaido his DF and he was a young apprentice. So I think it was to early to start his following by adopting a literal kid. (It's not outlandish and could happen)

[muted ember]

When did Clover mention Im?

[muted valley]

He didnt

He talked about the name of the ancient kingdom

Not enemy's name

[muted ember]

King would have had to been a jailer as a member of the crew since WW was imprisoned 12 years ago and King was already on the beast Pirates 8+ years

[versed hamlet]

Who's who didn't go to impel down and king was not the person that told him either lol

[versed hamlet]

The celestial dragons would not want to live with anyone else at equal terms. The celestial dragons that lived on god valley were being attacked by the rocks pirates which led to garp and roger having to ally in order to take them down and saving the celestial dragons w/ their slaves.

[muted valley]

Well I Def fucked the timeline up. Thinking harder.

King was on during the Oden fight. I fucked up the whos who part. With the Gumu Gumu fruit. You're right.

@versed hamlet you believe if there is a last surviving member doing work for the WG, who keeps his face and identity hidden too outlandish? Especially when he would have been a kid if God Vally was when they were genocides wiped out by the Gov? Where the WG could recruit him instead of making him an enemy? Your right impel down wasn't mentioned, a WG only prison for high Intel criminals like CP9 instead of pirates is more likley.

[modest skiff]

I don’t think it’s been stated CDs were there before Lunarians. Perhaps I am wrong

[versed hamlet]

Where the WG could recruit him instead of making him an enemy?
the wg tried to exterminate all of the lunarians and they have no real reason to recruit him

[versed hamlet]

i phrased it poorly. the lunarians had already lived on the red line in the past whereas the celestial dragons were chilling on the redline and god valley during that time

[fervent mantle]

So I guess wg left 1 lunarian which is king to do experiment on him and make clones like him but he escaped with kaido or he also took part in God valley incident and was defeated and followed kaido afterwards

[muted ember]

U think he was fighting there at 9 years old?

[junior cape]

Yes

[muted ember]

That makes perfect sense

[amber oar]

Interestingly King's vivre card lists the Grand Line, not the Red Line, as his birth place. If they wanted to keep his birthplace hidden they would have just omitted it as they have with multiple characters (for instance, Yamato). Whatever his birth circumstances were, his family was either on the run or refugeed in an island.

[mighty elm]

If you really think about it, what clover said about the WG fearing the ancient weapon and kingdom.. it seems like what Imu-sama would use to take over the world and the enemy in the poneglyphes clariefies to Imu

[muted ember]

This is a reach, especially since u put it in quotes as if Clover actually said Im's name

[sand sail]

King couldn't have been born on the Red Line, it's implied the Lunarians were run out/extinct around the Void Century

[mighty elm]

yeah, imma edit it rq

[sand sail]

It's stated that they were there before Mariejois, which was established during the Void Century for the Celestial Dragons after they made the World Government

There's a decent chance King's got an intimate history with the Void Century, might even be someone who's given Kaido some important information

[muted ember]

If i had to guess he was a slave that Xebec freed and Kaido took him along when he escaped

[raw grotto]

hopefully nto

Would rather not spend more time on character flashbacks, Nami already got a new one. Her parents being known just seems so irrelevant

[pearl shale]

i have seen many theory that awaken logia devil fruit users can change the weather as we see in punk hazard i do not think that is the case because it is not very power full . i think that a awaked logia user can make thing out of there power like when kizaru make the sword when fighting Rayleigh and as ace can make fire spiers or Aokiji making the trident to fight Whitebeard . people did not notice that almost every logia devil fruit user is very powerful there are only 4 that i could think of that are not awaked

1 Caribou

2 black beard (this one is not certain because when we see him fight it not been so long since he ate his devil fruit maybe now he have awakened his fruit

3 Eneru (because he use a weapon to fight )

4 sabo

[muted ember]

Forming weapons isn't really that powerful either, I could argue changing the weather is more impactful

[junior cape]

Yeah

[solid badger]

Logias have the abilities to create and control their respective element, these are basic capabilities of all logias

[fervent mantle]

Imagine eating mizu-mizu no mi-

[solid badger]

Changing their environment permanently is the theorized awakening which is possibly advantageous to the user in a fight. Examples are punk hazard, possibly raijin island for the past goro fruit users. That island that sucked up bege’s ship upwards could be the past user of the magnet fruit or the float fruit. Other islands I’m sure

[sand robin]

when no one ask who Luffy Mother is ?

[rough thicket]

GUYS i need to know, what teori u like this time?

[torpid mist]

Imu's fruit is a paramecia with the power to bend others' will

[junior cape]

Because neither Oda, or Luffy, or most of the fandom care. Luffy's mother isnt important to the story Oda wants to tell.

Plus we're 1000+ chapters in. Luffy's father is the world's worst criminal, and his grandfather is a living legend. His family doesnt need more embellishments.

If Oda wanted to add Liffy's mother, he likely would've done it by now.

[muted ember]

We're definitely going to see Luffy's mom is. I think there's just not a lot to theorize on

[robust sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/math-zack-galifianakis-thinking-calculating-gif-5120792

holy crap

[versed kelp]

Hey all , I think Luffy will have his 5th gear as a giant , and his awakening would be different , what do you say , as 5th gear would make a lot of sense on elbaph ,but ino would be powerful than the giant , so he would need his awakening for him . What do you think !?

[modest skiff]

I’ve read quite a few Imu theories and I enjoy the fact that this single sentence is better than all of them. This would work for a variety of reasons IMO. Places specific importance on conq haki as a counter too

[junior cape]

There'll probably be a break before 1035. After 1035, I think we'll go back to Sanji with a Yamato interlude.

[muted valley]

My guess is she is Garps daughter, but died early. Either sick, CB, or WG related. I'd bank on sick tho.

That Dragon is Xebecs kid that garp adopted. Who was raised with Garps daughter in East blue and fell in love and had a kid.

Not croco mom at all.

I do agree there isn't much to her outside of something like that

[modest skiff]

My take on the topic: Xebec's sister is Garp's wife and Dragon's mother. She was killed in a situation that was both the fault of CDs and pirates. This led to Garp having his unwavering belief that pirates must be contained/arrested/thwarted. This also led to Xebec deciding to destroy the CDs entirely and Dragon taking a similar perspective, that ultimately the CDs are the reason Dragon's mother was killed. I think this is the reason Garp will 100% not listen to CDs and also why he is given a bit of a pass. He is not only a hero but also was clearly wronged by the CDs. I think it is a situation where both parties are at fault but Xebec/Dragon decided it was mostly the CDs.

[slim venture]

Well Xebec was a pirate that did bad stuff long before Roger/Garp got involved

[torn pulsar]

so there are theories and lore about how a race or the skypian's came down from the moon but it was somewhat recently revealed that king was on of the last of his race called lunarian's oda usually like work play but just looking at the first 4 letters you get Luna (another word for moon), I'm not sure what this would mean but its interesting to think because he has wings that aren't from a Pteranodon. my guess is this was common sense but im dumb

[muted valley]

I doubt Garp got his pirate belief from Xebec... He was a marine much earlier...

[muted ember]

Yo did u peep that Sanji vs King panel? I think it's fair for me to say it doesn't imply torture

[rotund comet]

Bonny could be luffy's mom

Eating habit
Connections with kuma

[muted valley]

You still on it?

You still want to imply Queen calling King a "Torture loving perverted bastard" after King shitting on his way of dealing with Kid and Luffy means King doesn't enjoy inflicting pain on others?

Even tho we have seen him be more that than a masochist, with 1 example of him taking a hit and saying Jackpot and exploding? As if the hit was intentional to inflict the explosion?

Everyone in the Beast Pirates have been Sadistic to everyone, even their own crew.

His vivre card specifically states he has a torturing side he has yet to show

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/pfxx70/kings_vivre_card_full_translation/

[night jewel]

he is a sadist, even his vivre card said that he has a hidden sadistic side that he has yet to show

[muted ember]

I'm not on it I'm asking what u think just about the panel specifically you're trying to pivot lol

[muted valley]

I'm replying to what you said

[night jewel]

and the anime CR subs also translated the exact same line as "sadistic bastard" or something like that

[muted valley]

Leaving a chat for several hours and commi g back to different convos, is pivoting?

Dude get off of it.

I posted the panel earlier Arsal

[muted ember]

No you're pivoting bc u not talking about the panel I asked u about at all lol

[muted valley]

What panel?!

I obviously didn't see the panel in question

[muted ember]

U could have just said that and I would repost it

[muted valley]

Dude last time you talked to me was b4 this was me getting the timeline wrong and admitting it about Who who

Sorry that was meek, I'm wrong

[muted ember]

Right here

[muted valley]

So I got impale wrong but the ripped in half right?

[muted ember]

The claim was King said he wanted everybody to see him split in half

I was asking if u accept that translation

[muted valley]

Who's translation is it?

[muted ember]

It's TCB

[muted valley]

There's about 5 decent translators out but all change words around

To quote you "that's not official translation"

[muted ember]

Yea but I accepted the panel u shared

[muted valley]

You never asked whose translation

I even asked you if you paid for official translations

I personally read 4 different translations and see what changes between them

Tcb, mangaplus, official, and another

[muted ember]

I can come back to this when I get the official but if I accepted a fan translation why should it matter if I asked which one? I already accepted it lol

[muted valley]

You made a big deal about it prior to it, to which I asked if you had official so you could check yourself on the last page of 925

The whole discussion was over if king liked torture and was a sadist, which Oda himself said he does.

Why you bring it all back up several hours later is beyond me

[muted ember]

Neither one of those panels say that tho

I just checked Viz for both

[muted valley]

There you go

I used my downloaded mangaplus

Now do we want to compare all the translations and Japanese to do a rough translation ourselves? To go back to the original talk about King being a torture loving person?

[muted ember]

Well the Sanji vs King panel is exactly the same as the one I posted. So I'm still basically just saying no torture was implied there

[muted valley]

And did you read what I said about that...?

And about this WHOLE talk?

[abstract trellis]

here is a theory Luffy is Law's dad

[muted ember]

U mean the pivot? Let me reread it

[muted valley]

Dude, It's a nonexistent issue, that should have been dropped hours ago. Instead of you trying to keep it going hours later.

[abstract trellis]

the war would end at chapter 1100

[muted valley]

It better end before 1100 lmao

Wano pivoting to the new arc at 1100 is what I hope

[muted ember]

It's less an issue and more a debate. Since u used that example as evidence I had to address it

[muted valley]

No, you're making it a issue.

When the discussion ended prior to that and talks of other theories were going on and being talked about by both of us. Several hours later you decide to call it pivoting.

It's over, we drop it and move on

[manic relic]

Wano arc end before ch1060

[muted valley]

I can see the war ending before that. But I feel like there will be like a volume of post war celebration(unless something happens)

How long was Jimbe vs Who's Who? 2 chapters? Similar to Franky vs Spinning Triceratops lol

What plot points all going on rn?
Kaido vs Luffy
Yamato to weapons
Drake vs apoo and 3 numbers
Samurai
Red scabbards
Sanji vs queen
King vs Zoro
Big Mom vs Law&Kid
CP0
Mom saving island
Red scabbards
Flaming jelly yokai
Orochi X "Hyori"
Kankuro

What else am I missing?

[muted ember]

The discussion didn't end u just stopped responding but ok

[muted valley]

Because people have lives?

Ok it's over, stop trying to justify it.

[abstract trellis]

nah they gonna new arc at 1150

[muted valley]

I can see that tho

[abstract trellis]

right?

[muted valley]

There is ALOT going to change outside wano

[abstract trellis]

exactly

I think one piece will have a total of 1840 chapters

[muted valley]

I personally don't think it'll be at 1150, but it isn't outlandish. I remember reading Dressrossa and going crazy at how long it lasted. Especially since it was a bad point in my life and I went through soo much much and by the time it was over it just got to Gear 4.

I counted recently about 1500 if Oda is true and called Fishman island(what I remember) the halfway point. Which was near the 7XX chapter.

I'd like it to end later than sooner, but hope Oda doesn't pull a Murata or Togashi.

[abstract trellis]

ya but you can forget about how the world will react, black beard, vivi, shirahoshi, etc etc

and the more place luffy visits the more characters that will be shown again

[muted valley]

I reread OP like 2 weeks ago in my off time. I think BB is aiming at Wano due to the context and we know the marines aren't supposed to head there.

[abstract trellis]

BB shouldn't go to wano he's pretty much asking to get caught if anything he should most likely be splitting his forces between raiding big mom's territory and alabasta

[muted valley]

I think the Imu pictures isn't going to be straightforward and right away. But if you noticed, BB and Luffy were torn up. So erased, Shirahoshi was stabbed (killed) and vivi was never decided.

[abstract trellis]

shirahoshi didn't die doe

[muted valley]

I doubt alabaster, that's too far away. Likley BM territory if your right. But the context in all those scenes at the time was What's happening in Wano. Marines said they'd stay out of it. When BB scene came up he talked about not letting them take it. Them as marines in my thought.

That's cause they havnt acted on Imu's will

They just found out which "lights need erased"

[abstract trellis]

I mean BB wants to be king of the pirates he 100% knows big mom has poneglyphs so why wouldn't he raid Big mom territory

[muted valley]

You're 100% right, but I didn't take it as that. Since all the scenes at the time were marines and BB talking about Wano.

[abstract trellis]

we'll see I mean he can send his invisible fruit user to Big mom's territory alone

[muted valley]

He could, but I think it's more nefarious than that

[abstract trellis]

we'll just have to see what happens

[muted valley]

Also Shanks is a unknown player, who is making moves. It's obvious he was talking about BB with geirosei

[abstract trellis]

I wonder if one of the emperors will get killed

[muted valley]

I agree, what I think and worry is that BB is going to wano to wipe out the weakened BM/Beast/SH pirates and take it for himself. But gets stopped by Shanks and Shanks ends up loosing.

[abstract trellis]

problem with that is that cp0 is at wano

[muted valley]

As going after a fight where their forces are weak is the perfect opportunity to strike.

[abstract trellis]

marines are waiting to go after wano too

there will be alot of fights outside of the wano territory

[muted valley]

I don't think CP0 is that much a threat to the BB pirates.

Also they did say I'd BM/Kaido looses annex Wano

If*

[abstract trellis]

but in short Blackbeard would have to deal with the remaining beast pirates, the samurai, the luffy tra kid crew, x-drake and whatever marines are there

[muted valley]

Yeah, I forgot that, so a big war will happen going by logic that BM/Kaido looses.

I'm afraid Robin gets stolen again, it's been constantly talked to us that she is in danger

[abstract trellis]

it will turn into a Free for all 3 way or maybe a 4 way because big mom's crew is here too

[muted valley]

They'd be extremely weakened after this huge battle taking 2 yonko down

[abstract trellis]

katakuri is there too

[muted valley]

Is he?

[abstract trellis]

ya he's on the ship

[muted valley]

Where was that stated? I don't remember seeing him at all. Just he was referenced if BM dies

[abstract trellis]

wait

no I think he had whole cake my bad

[muted valley]

I assumed he was in charge of WCI and also recovering from post Luffy

[muted valley]

But a big battle is about to play out, bigger than this current war

[abstract trellis]

ya world is in chaos

[muted valley]

Lol watch out people get upset that's not the official Viz manga

[abstract trellis]

lol

[muted valley]

I thought I remember Oda saying Wano ends with a Tragedy

[abstract trellis]

that I have not heard so I got no comment on that

ngl imagine if Bryndi world was in Wano just making it worse

[muted valley]

So only ones I can think of is Robin kidnapped, Jinbei Dying, Shanks gets killed, Sabo is Ace 2.0 again, Someone else important to the meta story dies.

Bryndi?

Brullee?

[abstract trellis]

Shanks can't be killed that easily and no I was referencing a movie character

[muted valley]

Ohh, I never saw any movies

[abstract trellis]

just the idea is fun itself

[brisk mauve]

Anime only

[abstract trellis]

I watched all the movies

[muted valley]

But I do think Shanks will try to stop BB prior to Luffy meeting him

[abstract trellis]

maybe but I don't see Shanks dying to BB

[muted valley]

Which if BB went after wano I think Shanks would stop him.

[abstract trellis]

not yet at least

[muted valley]

When you think he would?

[abstract trellis]

not in wano arc

[muted valley]

We would find out after Wano

[abstract trellis]

i'm thinking way later when luffy beats shanks that's when BB pulls a sneaky and finishes off Shanks infront of Luffy

[austere silo]

Shanks gave kaidou sake to not go to marineford
Shanks may give devil fruits to blackbeard to not go to wano

[muted valley]

I don't think Luffy is going to challenge Shanks at all, eve tho technically Straw Hat Grand Fleet already declared war on him

Oda stated Sha KS fought King and repelled him in Kings Vivre card

[abstract trellis]

Shanks and Luffy aren't gonna have a fight to the death though

[tacit veldt]

No theory, i just love all of them

[austere silo]

Reppeled

[abstract trellis]

shanks repelled king

[muted valley]

Yeah,

[abstract trellis]

shanks is strong

[muted valley]

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/pfxx70/kings_vivre_card_full_translation/

@austere silo

[abstract trellis]

oh ya we have no idea what the revolutionary army is doing

[muted valley]

Something Something Sabo

[abstract trellis]

lol

[muted valley]

I think the news is mixed up tho

[abstract trellis]

pretty much there is so much going on

[muted valley]

Oh yeah

[abstract trellis]

for all we know someone could be staging to break doflamingo out of prison

[muted valley]

But the real question is what happened to Sabo, I think it says he's dead after assinating King Nefrotiti. But I think that's a lie

[abstract trellis]

I personally hate the Celestial dragons
and i'm pretty sure sabo is alive

[muted valley]

Big doubt, he's isolated to keep him from getting assisnated

Same, I don't think he's dead. I think Wapol gave fake news to Morgans

Wapol has never been good lol, it's reasonable to assume he wanted to stir shit up with a kingdom he hates

[abstract trellis]

Speaking of Wapol just imagine if they made a new wave of graded swords with Wapol metal, and i'm talking across all the grades

[muted valley]

It'd be horrible, they'd have Wapol spirits

[abstract trellis]

ya but wapol metal is like the hardest material in one piece

[muted valley]

Lol

Tanked BM lol

[abstract trellis]

oh yaaa Franky's mech is made of Wapol Metal isn't it?

[muted valley]

But what makes em strong is the Black Blade, through Haki. Mihawk stated as much

[abstract trellis]

imagine a black bladed wapol metal sword

[muted valley]

General Franky is, idk ifnfranky is

I don't think it changes much tbh, for basic swords, you're right. But there's more to it than just the metal. The Blacksmith puts soul into em.

[abstract trellis]

having good metal + soul + haki might make it the best of the best

[muted valley]

Could be, depends how heavy and possible Wapol metal is to Blacksmith

[abstract trellis]

it all depends ya and which blacksmith too

[muted valley]

If Wapol metal is lighter than steel it changes how a sword is. (At least irl)

[abstract trellis]

I think wapol metal id described to be harder than steel and lighter too

[muted valley]

I see

What has got me is how did Tagashi have a book in East Blue of all the swords

[abstract trellis]

Franky used Wapometal for his Iron Pirate General Franky.[3] It is a shape-memory alloy that can be restored to its preconfigured shapes, being used to create merger modes in the components of the Iron Pirate General Franky.

[muted valley]

Even Wano blades, like how did many escape wano

[abstract trellis]

Wapol Metal is also easily fixable

[muted valley]

Shape memory alloy changes that alot

It'd be better as a weapon that transforms

[abstract trellis]

have you ever seen RWBY?

[muted valley]

No, I know a little of it. It is bad imo

[abstract trellis]

it would never happen but that could be the future of One Piece (just the weapons)

[muted valley]

You talking about Ruby's Scythe

[abstract trellis]

ya Crescent moon

just the weapons are cool itself forget about the plot of RWBY

[muted valley]

Yeah, it'd be good for weapons like that.

Yeah I have a model of it on my shelf even tho I don't like the show lol

[abstract trellis]

the show used to be good but ya it fell downhill

[muted valley]

S1 is pretty wtf to me

[abstract trellis]

xD S1 was awkward for sure but they were prolly limited in budget

but ya once Luffy's story becomes a legends RWBY's weapons in the new future of one piece wouldn't be hard to add

like this is years after Luffy becomes the Pirate King

[muted valley]

Prolly

I was thinking after OP ended we'd get like maybe 3 long chapters of post OP world. As well as 1 or 2 movies.

I see Luffy being like Simon at the end of Gurren Lagan. And inspiring young people.

[abstract trellis]

8 chapters

or they could pull off like 20 chapters like naruto did

[muted valley]

Naruto only got 1

[abstract trellis]

oh well I still think 8 chapters

[muted valley]

There was boruto chapters, that were events during boruto. Before the Boruto manga started.

Bleach only got 1 post bleach chapter

Most manga end with 1 kinda final after events story.

They Def will milk the OP train, but I doubt it'll be a whole new story. It'll just be like Post Strawhats adventure story

[abstract trellis]

One Piece special

[muted valley]

Def

Wano 3 part special

War special
Hell a special for every lil arc

No way the #3 comic book is going to call it quits

[tropic sierra]

SHANKS OR DRAGON IS ROCKS SON

NO CAP NIKKA

[abstract trellis]

Monkey D. Rocks?

[sinful helm]

it will be what i said @muted valley showing all sh's where they at after defeating wg

no he means Xebec D. Dragon or shanks

and garp adopted Dragon or roger adopted shanks but i doubt it

[abstract trellis]

no it's clearly Monkey D. Xebec

[sinful helm]

as it was specifically stated Dragon is Garps son

[muted valley]

I can see a chapter about that. Like they did during the timeskip

[sinful helm]

shanks idk

[tropic sierra]

12 members of the Jesus family from biblical references, so far only 7 D familys have been revealed, Judas is the Marshall clan

Garp adopted Dragon from Rocks just like he adopted Ace from Roger

[muted valley]

They said Luffy was Garps grandchild
Garp called luffy his kids kids
I don't think Dragon is his biological son

More likley married garps daughter

[tropic sierra]

Dragon and Rocks BOTH have no eyebrows and similar hairstyle

[abstract trellis]

isn't Garp: Monkey D. Garp?

[sinful helm]

im currently playing but i think it was directly stated dragon was garps son

[split glacier]

Dragon is Garp's biological child. Check the Vivre/SBS. Why do we still ignore information given? 😴

[muted valley]

Yes, but there's a rare Japanese tradition of taking your wife's surname.

What sbs is that?

[split glacier]

Google it

[muted valley]

You're the one who knows, it's easier to find it if you actually back that up.

[tropic sierra]

Aces bloodline got revealed and was flipped as the major plotline for Pre-Timeskip, Luffys bloodline will get revealed later as a flip later Post-Timeskip

[night jewel]

link to a translation plus a panel in the manga as well #manga-theories message

[muted valley]

A person who found out Luffys father that was hidden in secret doesn't make him biological.

Vol 3 vivre card data book says nothing about biological father

[split glacier]

Believe what you need to 😴

[mortal field]

I doubt Dragon adopted Luffy just to leave him on some island

[night jewel]

i linked the raw image of the vivre card lol.

[mortal field]

Only the finest, for you my friend.

[night jewel]

you are linking a brief summary from Artur, i think its clear what is more important as evidence

[tropic sierra]

"Even if his subordinates learned the truth" implying any truth to my theories

[muted valley]

"Born as garps son" is a very wild way to say his biological dad is Garp.

That is only what is known at the current time

[crystal spire]

i mean how else should they phrase it?

[mortal field]

“Straight from Garp’s ballsacks”

[sinful helm]

he is the fruit from garps loins

i mean why would we need more convoluted stuff in that family i think his mother not being known is more then enough

[tropic sierra]

uncanny how young Garp and Luffy look, Dragon looks like a different breed closer to Rocks if anything

[abstract trellis]

I don't see the resemblence of Dragon and xebec

[night jewel]

the idea that dragon is adopted depends solely on the information that Dragon has never been referred to as Garp's son, but that information is wholly incorrect.

So i don't see how exactly the theory even holds any ground after that

[muted valley]

Where has any other characters lineage had "born as".

That's written specifically as opposed to "Garps biological son"

"Born as Garps grandson" applys to Ace even tho "Born to Portgas D Rouge" is accurate.

[night jewel]

Garp also himself called luffy his "son's son"

Chinjao calls dragon garp's son, vivre cards do the same as well

[amber oar]

I mean, in that panel in Japanese Garp used "child's child". But the vivre card is pretty clear.

[tropic sierra]

bro just google Dragon and Rocks and notice how Oda did NOT draw eyebrows on Xebec and similar hairstyle

[muted valley]

Which part are you referring to Arsal? Because if it's kid luffy Garp said Kids Kids.

[night jewel]

did it? i was going off Stephen's translation that he used to post

[night jewel]

not viz

[muted valley]

Yes

[mortal field]

Keep in mind that people form change when they’re actually shown

[night jewel]

stephen is our current viz translator, fyi

[muted valley]

The actual Japanese is child's child

[night jewel]

but if the japanese text say child's child then whatever, vivre cards are still super clear on that

[tropic sierra]

Xebecs been shadowed multiple times with no eyebrows, Shanks coincidently born the same time Gods Valley happened where Xebec met his end, Shanks and Dragon are the same age or similar

[amber oar]

"Kodomo no kodomo" https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/164971940648321024/910027328237748224/unknown.png

[drowsy marsh]

The monkey family all have the same bloodtype, but they have the most basic bloodtype

[night jewel]

ah gotcha

[amber oar]

Dragon is 55, Shanks is 39 lol

[abstract trellis]

is xebec dead?

[mortal field]

This is how BM and Kaido looked PTS

[tropic sierra]

that age is wrong for Dragon

[crystal spire]

dragon is 17 when God Valley happen iirc

[amber oar]

It's in the damned vivre card

[abstract trellis]

pretty sure Dragon is in his 40s

[amber oar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/477571830941614080/905976207294730300/unknown.png

[tropic sierra]

Shanks is in his 40s

[amber oar]

Shanks is 39

[tropic sierra]

close

[muted valley]

"As" isn't "is" there is doubt with it. It is what is known.

[tropic sierra]

Okay either Shanks or Dragon is Xebecs kid, i reinstate my theory

[mortal field]

You have a way better time telling me BB is Xebecs kid than Dragon

[tropic sierra]

but the resemblance between Dragon and Xebec is uncanny, Oda NEVER draws characters similar

[vital charm]

what the hell dragon is garp’s son

[drowsy marsh]

Anime will probably tell.

[abstract trellis]

they don't look similar I wish I had what u was smoking

[sinful helm]

i always thought BB is Xebec reincarnated

[tropic sierra]

crack

[mortal field]

The snitch god itself, anime Op