manga-theories

[near osprey]

Imagine if Zoro had the Gomu Gomu no Mi

[fathom matrix]

Ironically, Big Mom's sword HAS personality and is alive, but as we saw with Zues and her kids, she's ready to suck their souls or throw them out if they fuck up

[near osprey]

Nah her sword is a Grand Sword

She'd never toss it

[fathom matrix]

That's the thing, anything that's not useful to her or wants it's own will, she kinda disregards, ignores or abuses (basically her kids too) and honestly, if Nepoleon ever buggered up, I wouldn't doubt she's make a new one

[near osprey]

You can't just make another sword with the potential to Blacken

[fathom matrix]

her sword's weird, cause it can also shape shift into other blades

[near osprey]

Most likely due to the soul she gave him.

[fathom matrix]

it's a hat but that had can create any blade she needs and/or wants.

Yeah, maybe is, but I think she probably shoved a bunch fo weapons in a hat, used her soul powers and made Napoleon

[near osprey]

But her sword is like Enma so she can't just easily replace it if she's pissed with it.

[fathom matrix]

She could have a do over

take the soul out, put something new back in, new Napoleon

[near osprey]

But a sword is an extension of the user anyways so Napoleon wouldn't behave like Zeus did where he switches team

[fathom matrix]

new mimd, persoanlity, probably a lot more efficient

[fathom matrix]

what I mean is, she can the hat back and still keep it, but remove the soul and basically insert and rework a new one

like if Napoleon's being a problem, she could probably just reset him

[near osprey]

Post Wano what direction do you think Oda will take Kaido and Big Mom

[fathom matrix]

Kaido's probably gonna die, BM fucks off back to tat land, but sees it got raided by black beard

[near osprey]

I have two theories regarding what can be done with them, either they retreat to WCI after being defeated potentially run into Blackbeard and he convinces them to form an Alliance with the promise of helping them take out Luffy

or Kaido and Big Mom form up enough respect for Luffy, Kidd and Law they bury the hatchet and promise to help them out when they take on the WG for the eventual War Kaido knows is coming.

I think the relationship Luffy formed with Katakuri is more indicative of the 2nd than the first

But there's also the potential of a Rocks Reformation soon so the first one isn't far off from happening either

[upbeat pecan]

hey guys, when one piece gets to the point where luffy fights akainu. i think we can all agree luffy deserves to be the one who avenges ace, the question is do you guys think luffy will kill akainu? or will he spare his enemy. my theory is luffy will spare akainu. so far in the series we have never seen luffy kill anyone. the way i see it is luffy will crush akainu and that he will crush his status as fleet admiral and his navy. doing so leaving akainu humiliated. i think humiliating akainu and destroying his power and beliefs is luffys ultimate revenge. i think luffy wouldnt kill him because it be too easy.

[near osprey]

He won't kill anyone it's still a series directed at children and death very rarely occurs

Death is very different in OP generally when a character is considered killed it's by their removal from their place of power.

Which is still death in its own right.

[upbeat pecan]

yeah but what im saying is i dont think luffy given his character will kill akainu. i mean there were plenty of one piece villains who deserved death and its like you said, after he defeats them they lose power. the power they thought they had all gone.

that in itself id say is worse than death

but without a doubt luffy deserves to be the one to beat down akainu

[tiny ocean]

i don't think oda likes to keep actual evil characters on the same side luffy is on.

[grizzled fog]

I mean. Crocodile teamed up with luffy

[near osprey]

It's really not out of the realm of possibilities

and it's not out of character for Luffy to ally himself with past foes.

[tiny ocean]

I could imagine something like big mom and kaido helps the strawhats escape out of respect (because that happened many times) but not an alliance againts wg.

[near osprey]

Nahh he won't need to escape, it'll be a full on War to overthrow Imu

LaughTale isn't the final arc, the final arc will happen with the fall of the WG.

LaughTale more than likely will end up being a flashback of the Void Century

[scenic thicket]

kaido and big mom have connections to the govt. kaido w/ weapons. big mom w/stussy

[proud tree]

if big mom knew stussy was a Government agent, she would kill stussy

[pure raven]

I think sanji will die

[cyan berry]

do you care to explain why you think that at all or are you just saying random sentences?

[low swallow]

WG doesn't deal directly with Kaido for a reason, they deal with Orochi, Wano's 'leader', not the pirate

[amber field]

Why would Sanji die? Ahehe

[sinful helm]

thats stupid for any of sh's too die

[wet kayak]

Black blades,
Black blades do not enhance ur attacks.
End of theory

[patent pier]

i got this one theory, what if shanks already knows where the one piece is but he just hasn't said anything and when luffy gets there he'll be there too. But blackbeard is gonna get there at the same time and luffy and shanks are gonna have to fight blackbeard. Then blackbeard kills shanks and this enrages luffy to an extent where he unlocks some new shit and kills blackbeard

anybody else think this? just me, ok

[dark magnet]

In the town where Gol D. Roger got executed, zoro picked up a cursed sword and before that he had good sense of direction. What if when zoro picked up the sword it made him lose his sense of direction and when he gets lost his body unconsciously leads him to the one piece

[heavy ocean]

I dont think Luffy will kill Akainu. I believe either Akainu sides with Blackbeard for his own reasons and gets backstabbed by them, or Akainu gets killed by the WG, possibly the Gorosei to "cover" their tracks

[bitter kraken]

I don’t think akainu would ever side with a pirate he considers them legit trash and it would mean he would have to be a completely different person to do so, he’s also a monster anyone would be stupid to try and kill him but I’d like him to either get defeated or killed by sabo with an awakened mera fruit. It would be poetic justice

What even would an awakened mera fruit be capable of 🤔 would it burn so hot that it can damage and burn akainu

[grand walrus]

white beard died, ace died. Is it possible that another rising star dies and all the yonko die?

[dark magnet]

Nah the chances of all the yonko's dying is basically 0

[shut finch]

i think kaido and bm die tbh. not necessarily rn

[dark magnet]

Well kaido prob will

Because of luffy

And prob as well as big mom

Because as luffy said "when i take down kaido, you're next"

[zinc scarab]

the one piece is vegapunk

[grand walrus]

vegapunk isn't a person, he's a computer

[dark magnet]

The one piece cant be vegapunk

[shut finch]

One of the interesting things is like what will happen to the yonko in the end. I don't think oda will have luffy directly kill any (at best it'd be an indirect kill). but like, it seems near impossbile to capture a yonko for long if at all. shanks isnt gonna try to dethrone luffy but what happens to blackbeard, bm and kaido if they aren't dead at eos?

[dark magnet]

Prob new yonko's chosen

Luffy will take their place if he accepts

[grand walrus]

they all die

[shut finch]

but if the old yonkos are alive they're too strong to simply be phased out

[grand walrus]

all the yonkou dead at EOS. out with the old in with the new

[dark magnet]

There isnt anyone who can take all the yonkos in one piece atm

[shut finch]

blackbeard could maybe get locked up i guess lol

[grand walrus]

maybe blackbeard gets locked up

[dark magnet]

Yeah hes a weakling

[shut finch]

i feel like big mom is gonna be the one to kill kaido. luffy defeats him and BM finishes him off

[dark magnet]

Without his df hes bad

[dark magnet]

Possibly, or zoro could do it

[shut finch]

and then i have no idea how big mom dies. probably something to do with her backstory and her just bein fucking insane

[dark magnet]

A swordman started the fight against kaido, a swordman will end it.

[grand walrus]

i feel like green bull will kill big mom

or maybe sanji. it would be CRAZY if sanji kills big mom. I am not saying it is possible, but it would be an insane twist

[shut finch]

i dont think any of the SHs will directly kill someone

[grand walrus]

imagine if sanji kills big mom. it would be so out of place

[shut finch]

maybe zoro i guess but i dont see him killing kaido

[dark magnet]

The highest chances of someone killing someone is zoro lol
"Pirate hunter"

[proud tree]

Brook has unknown backstory ... Maybe he was evil in his previous live

[grand walrus]

sorry about joking in theories channel

[proud tree]

Evil Brook backstory incommunig? Or will Brook backstory be wholesime

[grand walrus]

i am ambivalent on zkk. if it happens, i would like it, but at this point people expect it too much, i would rather something else more exciting happened

[shut finch]

i really dont see it

sanji fans would be down so bad tho

[grand walrus]

sanji kill big mom

[shut finch]

i would hate zoro and sanji killing yonko lol

[ripe geyser]

ZKK is a great theory tho

Why wouldn’t Zoro blow a kiss to King 😘

[dark magnet]

Yo what

[grand walrus]

zoro and king sitting on a tree

[sacred hawk]

What if the next chapter ends on Zoro vs. King? Zoro is badly wounded, King's mask is broken on the ground, and all of King's face is silhouetted except his eyes.

[noble olive]

if you can remember, all the way back in alabasta in chapter 195, after daz bones cut zoro a bunch, he almost made him get crushed by a pillar. zoro didnt get hit by the pillar, and he thought "Dodge? No, that's not it. I knew... where the stones wouldn't fall." he also says he knows that his sword is under a certain rock. he says that he can hear "the breathing" of the rocks and everything around him. im thinking that this an early form is Kenbunshoku Haki.

i just realized that countless people before me have said this and im just slow

[junior cape]

Its ok

We value theory quality. As long as it ain't spammed a bunch. You're good

[somber sphinx]

Any ONI Theories? Kaido seems to bear a grudge and seems its linked to Wano.

[solar moss]

my best bet is its either linked with his parents or wife just my theory

[somber sphinx]

waiting for kaido backstory

[sinful wedge]

I believe that there's a deeper history involving the ancient giants and Wano from way back in the past

[tired crescent]

if you think about it law could swap souls of nami and usopp for kaido and big mom and then they get a big power boost

[grizzled fog]

Law can’t mess with BM and Kaido’s personalities like that, their haki would prevent it just like how it stops him from teleporting them

[tired crescent]

yeah but with his awakened devil fruit maybe later down he could?

[grizzled fog]

Probably not, his awakening wouldn’t change the rules for an already established ability he has like that, it just gives him new abilities that do different things

[tired crescent]

yeah but his awakening kroom he was seen hurting big mom

[grizzled fog]

Kroom is a totally new ability

[tired crescent]

ik

so maybe he would unlock a new ability that will let him do that so only time will tell

i just got to the part where kroom was just revealed

[junior cape]

Kroom and Room are two very different things. Room is Law's standard power, allowing him to create an operating room where those weaker than him are his playthings, and those stronger than him can put up a fight. That is what we have seen so far. Kroom is fundamentally different. Kroom doesn't create such a space, but rather allows for coated objects to act as if they were in one, and for different effects to be applied from said coated objects. Room doesnt let him mess freely with Kaido/Big Mom because they are incredibly strong, and definitely stronger than him. Kroom allows him to deal direct damage because it allows him to easily bypass defenses.

So, yes, maybe Oda will write in that Kroom ignores haki, but it took everything Law had to give BM a decent shock with it.

So I doubt it.

[junior cape]

As for Big Mom, things are a bit more complicated. She has resorted to doping up off her own lifespan. Assuming she's just an exceptional human by birth, her lifespan should be around 60-80 years. She was 68 when she started fighting, and is now 69. Given what damage shes taken, plus her age, she might just have a heart attack. If she keeps doping, she will also die of old age. However, this assumes she cant sub in other people's souls for her own here, which she confirmed. It also assumes her lifespan hasn't been artificially boosted by decades of soul pocus.

Overall, I doubt oda would go for the KO-by-health-issue route, but with a matchup like this, it wouldn't be unreasonable. We got a guy who can disrupt electricity in ones body, and a guy who could probably suck all the iron out of your blood. Things are gonna get messy.

[somber sphinx]

Only if his haki is stronger then theirs. For now it's not possible

[somber sphinx]

Still in the camp of BIG MOM surviving and escaping when the Marines turn up and kaido is defeated.

[twilit rain]

What if Robin in the end got kidnapped and that set us for war against marines with everyone from wano and everyone from SHs fleet

[nimble thistle]

You saw that giant sword attack she unleashed at the start of the Raid after Kaido got stabbed by the scabbards? Big Mom is a swordsman, even if not a Master. Iirc, that was basically a buffed-up version of those two giants way early in the anime (I think they were considered filler, but later canonized?)

[grizzled fog]

Dorry and broggy were never filler, the attack they used wasn’t really swordsmanship thing, one of the giants wasn’t even using a sword back then, it’s just a ridiculously powerful wave of compressed air and haki in BM’s case

[nimble thistle]

Oh, I could've sworn I'd seen somewhere that they were filler. 🤔 Baroque Works arc obviously wasn't, but somewhere I'd read that the giants were. 🤷

But, it was a technique we haven't seen a Giant used since. And it took the two of them to use it to cut the path through that giant Sea King.

But I do see your point too.

[sinful helm]

or perospero hits bm when she is down

that hoe aint loyal

[proud tree]

Little garden arc was not filler. Besides we saw giants reappear in Water 7 and in Dressrosa

[nimble thistle]

No no, not giants specifically. But somewhere I'd read that those two specifically were filler in the story. 🤷

[normal talon]

Wtf no

The whole point of usopp wanting to go to elbaf is cause of them

[proud tree]

Then what you read was wrong.

[sinful helm]

filler giants are only those two cooks father and daughter if i remember correctly

[nimble thistle]

Yeah, those two are a shame. 🤔 I liked Lily Enstomach as a character, lol. A giant with the Mini-Mini DF.

[warm meadow]

Avalo pizarro has a leopard gecko fruit

[nimble thistle]

🤔 You know... If the Moon is basically home to what would be akin to Angels that descended upon the Earth, then where the hell in One Piece is the Devils that rose up from Hell? 🤔

[warm meadow]

This fruit would follow the theme of the beast pirates if he is a former beast pirate. As it is a reptile based fruit.

It would follow the blackbeard pirate theme of stealth based dfs, you got Catrina who can turn into different people, shiryuu who can become invisible, and gecko who can camouflage

Avalo also wears a leopard print coat, and makes cat noises

Leopard print coat.

He has a cat like speach, he say -nya at the end if every sentence

It could be an ancient gecko of some sort

[sinful helm]

who has the saber tooth tiger df?

[sturdy lantern]

Who's Who

[sinful helm]

bcs this dude reminds me of it more then anything

[warm meadow]

The cat vibes

I thought he could be that aswell

[sinful helm]

i mean what if bb comes and steals who's who fruit and gives it too him

[heavy ocean]

I reckon avalo has a DF but still unclear

For all we know, he used drills on his hands for attack

Wild guess:
Inu Inu no Mi, Model Chupacabra, Mythical Zoan type

[grizzled apex]

Just to steal the fruit he comes to wano? It's not worth it

[sinful helm]

you do know he needs the poneglyph too

[grizzled apex]

Yeh but he already made a move to somewhere else, remember? After reading that sabo news

[sinful helm]

somewhere it was never stated where it could easily be wano or whole cake island

[heavy ocean]

Would imagine every BB pirate has a DF except Jesus Burgess

[sinful helm]

i mean is bb able too extract a devil fruit without harming/killing the person he takes it from

[heavy ocean]

Why go for who's who's head and not one of the All stars let alone Kaidou

Doesnt make sense for him risking the wrath of a yonko just for that fruit

[sinful helm]

i mean if you steal a poneglyph from a yonko

you already got his wrath on you

[heavy ocean]

I have a feeling Marco will get killed by the BB pirate and have his fruit stolen

Much as I hate to say it

[sinful helm]

wb pirates had too many people die

[mossy surge]

Maj

[sinful helm]

hey Azone whats up

[heavy ocean]

There is a reason why Marcos been hiding out at Sphinx

[sinful helm]

idk i see him becoming a subordinate of SH's too protect WB's legacy and WB's home town

[pearl wagon]

No, an ally, marco is stronger than all of the straw hats right now. Not to say he always will be, but he'll just be an ally nothing less.

[grizzled apex]

Not all

Currently Luffy ,Zoro, sanji and Jimbei are strong

[pearl wagon]

You could make the arguement luffy is stronger though yeah.

[grizzled apex]

Nah, all he did was stall time and the reason for less damage his is fruits ability

[sinful helm]

luffy zoro and sanji are stronger for sure jimbei is an unkown currently

[grizzled apex]

But yeh he is very strong I agree

[grizzled apex]

Jimbei also stronger imo

He already made many big moves in several occasions of the series

Yeh

[pearl wagon]

No way anyone below luffy is stronger than marco.

[sinful helm]

why are people still not getting zoro and sanji are commander lvl

[grizzled apex]

She might get a bounty of 800million + right from the start imo

[grizzled apex]

Smh, they far stronger than before

[pearl wagon]

They are, but marco is above commander level, he's a yonko first mate

[grizzled apex]

WG won't give that even if she is

I mean if she were to join straw hats

But yeh she is worth 1bill +

[sinful helm]

Do sanji and zoro need to beat a yonko alone too prove too the people that doubt them?

[visual merlin]

prove what?

[visual merlin]

he's still a commander, thats no different lol

[grizzled apex]

Even if some says Zoro and sanji weaker than Marco currently they will surpass him by the end of this arc I bet

[pearl wagon]

It also would make a difference whether he joins or not

[sinful helm]

Marco as much as i like him isn't on the same lvl as them he coasted mostly on WB's strength as WB protected his subordinates too much

[visual merlin]

why would zoro and sanji ever be yonko level?

[pearl wagon]

A commander and commander level are different things, a guy who's not commander for say jinbe is still commander level

[visual merlin]

ah

[grizzled apex]

Because they are wingers of future pirate king

[sinful helm]

He is so much weaker then Ben Beckman

[visual merlin]

okay? But that doesn't explain why being the right hand makes you above commander level

because right hand is no different than a commander

[sinful helm]

All im saying he isn't a true right hand man

[grizzled apex]

The Marco's power mostly contributed by his healing ability

[sinful helm]

I see Vivi joining them after this ark tbh

[pearl wagon]

A first mate is above a commander, like sabo is above the army commanders, all stars are above tobiroppo, top executives are above regular executives etc

[grizzled apex]

I meant his healing

Rather than attacks

[visual merlin]

the all stars are the commanders, top executives are also the commanders, same for sabo

the commander level refers to the people like sabo, marco, king, queen, jack, etc

[sinful helm]

Yea but i still think she was "kidnapped" by sabo too protect her

[pearl wagon]

But aren't they above the other commanders?

[visual merlin]

being first mate isn't a position thats inherently stronger than a commander position

[sinful helm]

And best protection got her is revolutionaries or SH's

[visual merlin]

which other commanders

[grizzled apex]

Yeh but still having super healing power makes a person far too strong defensively alone

[sinful helm]

Perospero is the oldest

[grizzled apex]

Yeh

[visual merlin]

I mean neither of these things are confirmed at all

[sinful helm]

Thats how he got the first number

[grizzled apex]

Facts

[pearl wagon]

For eg marco is stronger than say namur, sabo is stronger than karasu, pica is stronger than gladius, etc

[grizzled apex]

Luffy's fruit might be the sickest one if not for his level of mastery.

Speaking of karasu, what can he do? Send crows to fight?

[visual merlin]

Yea, but thats just because they are stronger. Not because a right hand position is inherently more powerful than a "commander" position. Katakuri is the same rank as smoothie and cracker yet is stronger than them. But then at the same time they're both arguably the same general level as him

easier to say shiryu is just the strongest one

and the numbers probably don't matter a whole lot

[grave wharf]

what's the plausibility of Im-sama being based on the egyptian priest Imhotep

[pearl wagon]

Agreed, it's not always the case but in marcos case it is, in big mom, kaido, and doffys crews, they all have the same authority, but marco is 1st division commander, jozu is 3rd, vista is 5th etc

[visual merlin]

Why is it true in marco's case? It also isn't true in any of the other ones you mentioned, KIng isn't a tier above queen or even jack I'd imagine, and pica or vergo aren't way stronger than one another

and I already mentioned kata

oh I see what you meant

[visual merlin]

but we've been told the numbers in the WBP crew doesn't matter, thats not an order of authority

even if it were, it wouldn't mean marco must be a tier above the rest

[pearl wagon]

That is true

[visual merlin]

sure I'd agree with that

I mean what are you expecting to see

[grizzled apex]

Btw why is king wearing same uniform as shiryu? Classmates from any place?

[pearl wagon]

Marco should be the strongest though

[visual merlin]

we've seen him lose to king

he'd have surely been trying his hardest in wano

Marco's the strongest of the WBP, but he's still on the commander level if we're using the term

[grizzled apex]

Was Marco the first division commander at the time of WB vs Roger in flashback?

Oh, I kinda pitied him when he tried to attack Rayleigh

I mean lol he didn't even use his sword to block his attack, power difference was just too much

[pearl wagon]

He was the one that attacked rayleigh, so it's assumed he was, because oden was fighting gaban and stuff, but never confirmed

[grizzled apex]

Wonder why they call mihwak as strongest swordsman tho

[grizzled apex]

Hmmm

Nah, i mean Rayleigh and Roger were there

And even Oden

Guess he was rookie by that time

Oh, that was anime made? Noice

And even kawamatsu intro was too dope

Oh

Isn't he tatch btw?

Bruh

[pearl wagon]

What do you mean by perfect?

Oh ok.

Yeah i agree they're the strongest, just perfect isn't the right word

[summer jasper]

He lost to king AND queen, and was just delaying them

[nimble thistle]

You know, I think the story going forward from Wano, other than maybe Elbaf since I figure Big Mom is still going to be a key player there... I don't think the story going forward is going to be about power scaling. I think it's going to be about some extreme world-setting. Not necessarily building, though that will be included.

Other than Elbaf, a huge, key player that's been a thorn in the side of, generally everybody although not necessarily the Marines since he's on their side (or is he?), is Doctor Vegapunk. He is definitely going to be fleshed out, and even if his story arc that covers him isn't super massive, it should still be quite a lore drop in the grand scheme of things.

In addition to him, we have the entire matter of the Revolutionary Army vs the World Government. We've seen the One Piece world, but honestly the amount of islands and kingdoms we've really seen can be nearly counted on two hands. Nearly. We've seen more, but the ones that truly matter can probably definitely be counted on just two. However, the World Government is massive. And although technical, at Enies Lobby, Luffy and the Straw Hat crew did essentially declare War on them. In addition to that, Luffy is blood-tied to Dragon, the leader of the Revolutionary Army.

At some point in the story, these two people are going to come together, and we are potentially going to at least see mention of the "hundreds" of countries under the World Government's control. Their domain is quite vast, even with the instability/damage that the Revolutionary Army has caused them by 'liberating' them from WG control.

Moving on from there, we still have Blackbeard. With him, I reckon, comes a severe tackling of fundamental thoughts. We're probably going to see a lot of Xebec talk, past battles/Wars, idealism fleshed out, and a lot of potential soul-searching from Luffy and maybe even Blackbeard.

And even still there's more. But the bottom line, I don't think powerscaling going forward is going to

[tawdry bramble]

Every enemy will be bigger and stronger than the last. That’s just how it works.

[nimble thistle]

improve all that much. I think Luffy is very nearly peaked to his fullest potential. His Crew as well are getting some crazy boosts here in Wano. Going forward, they're only going to refine those newfound abilities and start to reach near-Yonko level themselves (because apparently Sanji and Zoro can't be too far behind Luffy at any singular point, and that honestly bugs me.)

[pure raven]

All of them have nearly reached their "last" power up

[tawdry bramble]

I agree with most of your points beyond the power scaling. Oda won’t stagnate the crews power. Every arc will have a bigger and badder threat. Save for potentially a small time skip at Laugh Tale we aren’t just skipping their growth.

[pure raven]

Luffy there is mastering all 2.0 of his Hakis + Awakening
Zoro master of Enma and "black sword" thing
Sanji master of exosqueletton
Robin had an incredible powerup with her "transformation"
Chopper had a boost thanks to Caesar
Etc.

[visual merlin]

other people took on queen, and he eventually was just fighting king and lost badly apparently. And delaying them clearly was too much for him so I doubt he was holding back

[vestal orbit]

i don't really see how you can master an exoskeleton lol

[pure raven]

I think Sanji can exploit it at the maximum
When Queen breaks his sword against him, he didn't master it, it was unvolunteerious

[nimble thistle]

I just don't think the crew's power scaling is going to change much going forward. I think the underlying power scaling has pretty much peaked for the Straw Hat crew. Going forward, I think it's more about how they're going to fight, rather than how hard they're going to fight. It's starting to reach the calm-before-the-storm leading in to the end-game of the One Piece story, at least from my perspective.

This is a perfect time for Oda to start reflecting on the personalities and viewpoints of the Straw Hat crew, and reinforcing their individual ideas, fighting styles, roles, etc going forward. Because as things stand in Wano, they're all turning in to powerhouse combatants, save Usopp, Franky, Chopper, Brooke and maybe Robin. They're all turning in to power-hitters and their scale is all pretty much similar to one another.

I can argue that Franky, Chopper and Robin have their roles in a sort of background setting. But Brooke and Usopp still have room for combat growth yet, and I think Usopp's big moment is coming in Elbaf. Brooke's is mostly going to be tied to his Devil Fruit awakening, I don't see much potential for a skeleton otherwise, as sad as that is to say 🤷

Usopp is a lowkey big player, and he'll shine coming forward in Elbaf for sure, then mellow-out again afterwards. I think that's how he's being setup there.

But the rest of the crew needs to find their niche roles in combat again, coming out of Wano. Everybody is sort of filling the same role right now, and that's sort of a frontline-brawler like Luffy is.

[vestal orbit]

yea i think it's just passive

[visual merlin]

involuntary?

[vestal orbit]

admirals being weaker but more skilled than the yonko would be fun

[nimble thistle]

Oh, and Jimbei is Jimbei. I don't think he'll change much going forward himself.

He's sort of a Straw Hat safety-net anyhow. He doesn't need to be overpowering, just reliable in a pinch (Like he always has been for Luffy.)

[pure raven]

yeah sorry, my keyboard did shit lol

[pure raven]

Jinbei is clearly at his prime, except if he masters Ryuo (Haki 2.0), it could be good for him

[pure raven]

Kizaru wanted to go to Wano ALONE for managing both Big Mom and Kaido lol

I do think he is the most powerful admiral, he just didn't want to be in the spotlight (in spite of his DF loool)

[visual merlin]

well he definitely would've failed if he tried 2v1ing, or even 1v1ing, I doubt that was his plan

and I think it'd at best be random to have kizaru be the strongest of the admirals, he's pretty much the least relevant of them all

[pure raven]

2V1ing clearly impossible to him
But we have NEVER see Kizaru at full power : he rekt 3 supernova in less than a minute, never had a single damage like Mihawk

He is monstruously speed, and quite powerful with his fruit

Don't underestimate him

[visual merlin]

not very hard to beat pre timeskip novas, and he's been hit a few times

He's strong, but I don't see why he'd be the strongest admiral

especially when Akainu has actually gone out and beaten aokiji

[pure raven]

Kizaru ? Don't have any remembers : even Marco didn't suceeed in

[nimble thistle]

Yeah, but this can actually just be a DF matchup. The real testament to this fight would be Aokiji lasting 10 days against Akainu.

[pure raven]

Akainu beated Aokiji in 10 days, with a clearly advantage on its Devil Fruit (Magma VS Ice)

[visual merlin]

Rayleigh cut him, WB hit him once or twice iirc, and marco kicked him a lil

[visual merlin]

Well, Im not gonna assume thats the reason, either way we've got akainu beating another admiral

and hes definitely more important than kizaru in the story, same with aokiji

[pure raven]

No Rayleigh didn't "cut" him, he impeded him from using his light mirror
Don't have remember for WB but I trust you
And Marco "kick" didn't no damage to him

[visual merlin]

I don't get why kizaru would be the strongest

[visual merlin]

he did cut him, kizaru was bleeding, and marco kick didn't do a whole lot, yea

in any case, its not like kizaru has done anything super special for an admiral

[pure raven]

He was bleeding ? I would watch the sequence again, I just remembered he was impeded
It was on the manga or aniem ?

[pure raven]

That's precisely why we don't have seen his "real" power such as Akainu

[pure raven]

It's more a battle of exhaustion than a real "victory", and Akainu had advantage

That showed how Aokiji was also amazingely strong

[visual merlin]

but we've seen plenty of his power, why would we think his "real power" is special

[visual merlin]

it lasting long doesn't change that its a "real victory" it's a fair win regardless, and there's an argument for aokiji having the advantage there too

[pure raven]

Dude we have only see him lauching some lasers and moving thanks to his mirror lol

His logia is surely one of the most powerful, he does have some special moves.
Kizaru is trolling all the long in One Piece

[visual merlin]

obviously not much

but kizaru has been hit a few times

[pure raven]

Thanks for the manga, I didn't see it in the anime

Even if he was hit, that wasn't "serious" like Akainu VS WB

[pure raven]

What is the argument for Aokiji having advantage lol ?

When a battle lasts for 10 days, it's more than spirit and moral than really "power"

[visual merlin]

yea but Kizaru also never got into a real fight with WB

[visual merlin]

That's still power lol, its just endurance

also, some science shit, idk

look up lava meeting ice

[pure raven]

Endurance different than power dude.
Mostly in a 10 days battle

[visual merlin]

endurance is a part of power

its not some separate thing

[pure raven]

Endurance helps power, but it's 2 seperate things
Increasing your speed increases your force : that's the goal of Gear 2nd Luffy

[visual merlin]

???

Nero, we're talking about overall strength

that includes speed, physical strength, endurance, etc

[pure raven]

In a 10 days battle which is tremendous, that's clearly a question of spirit and advantage, and Akainu did have one with his DF

[visual merlin]

so when endurance is a big part of a battle, its not something special, it just means the winner probably has more endurance

and is stronger

[pure raven]

Endurance is a part of your overall strength, but it's different of your force/power

[visual merlin]

if the big issue was advantage, it wouldn't be lasting 10 days, the 10 days is what implies it came down to endurance

[visual merlin]

what force/power

im not talking about how hard akainu punches

[pure raven]

That's juste a question of vocabulary, nevermind
In a 10 days battle, with an advantage for Akainu, it's more a tie (with a real advantage for Aokiji) than a "clear" victory

[visual merlin]

im saying the fight is based on how strong they are overall

[pure raven]

Strength = Force/Power + Speed + Resistance + Endurance + Special abilities

So increases your endurance increases your strength, but different from your force

[visual merlin]

alright whatever, what exactly is the reason we should believe kizaru is stronger than all the others?

[pure raven]

Because I think all his aspects of strength are at maximum
Akainu is more specialized in "pure force"
And Aokiji is interesting in speed and resistance

[visual merlin]

what makes you think they are at maximum?

[pure raven]

That's a theory : it's the name of that channel dude lol

[visual merlin]

a good theory can be backed up

[gray creek]

Classic non-response

[pure raven]

Kizaru is trolling all long, in terms of speed, few people can compete with him (we have seen it in both manga and anime)
With his DF, quite a good resistance and he must have special abilities we haven't seen yer

[pure raven]

Classic shit when you have nothing to say

[visual merlin]

Few people can compete with any admiral. His df doesn't give him some special resistance, and why would we assume he's got other special abilities? Sure he may have stronger moves, but why would they be stronger than the ones from akainu, aokiji, fuji, or greenbull?

[pure raven]

We haven't see greenbull, impossible to compare or speculate about him

[visual merlin]

okay, then what about the other 3 people listed

[proud tree]

theory: Moria stole thriller bark from Wano .. Thriller bark was a relic of the ancient kingdom ... but there are no Poneglyphs on thriller bark and no writing of them

now thriller bark is in the new world next to pirate island (chapter 925)

[amber oar]

Problem is, Thriller Bark is confirmed to be from West Blue

[proud tree]

Brook is from west blue too .. maybe his connection to thriller bark is deeper

[copper palm]

It also kind of important to mention that it did come from the west blue to Paradise meaning it had to cross the Redline before already and it also makes the chance that it was just a blunder pretty slim

[proud tree]

wait does this mean Thriller bark had to travel to fishmen island too? Or was it transported about the red line? .... If I get it correctly, reverse mountain can only be used to enter the grand line, not to exit it....

[nimble thistle]

I mean, Thriller Bark as it is right now is obviously way too big to go through Reverse Mountain. But we know Reverse Mountain isn't the only way to navigate in to the Grand Line. Moria could've done that with Thriller Bark. Or maybe Thriller Bark in Brooke's time was much smaller, don't really know.

[copper palm]

Yeah i have been asking my self that for sometime at first i guessed it was a mistake but as i already said oda explicitly said on 2 different occasions that the thriller bark had to have crossed the redline or gone diving so im pretty sure it isnt a mistake

[copper palm]

Into the grand line isnt the problem if the TB is on the adjacent seas because i think they can just cross the calm belt since its so large changing the side of the world is the real problem

[proud tree]

How did Absalom get captured by Blackbeard?

Was Moria already in the new world after the timeskip?

[copper palm]

After moria got mopped he became a journalist and fled on a small boat (using his devil fruit to full effect) that can be seen when the News about the Kid-Hawkins-Apoo aliance is leaked because a the boat can be seen so it is assumed that he tried to get a story out of BB and got captured

[proud tree]

Since the World Government hates Moria (not a Warlord anymore) they would not allow him to pass the red line ... so the only other possibility is that Moria coated thriller bark and dived with thriller bark past fishmen island

when Moria faced black beard Perona was not with him right?

[copper palm]

nah i think she left the episode before to search for him

[summer jasper]

Where is it written he was only taking on king?

[visual merlin]

when we see other people take on queen instead

Im not saying it was the entire time, I mean at some point Chopper takes on queen instead, then sanji subs in for him.

so for a period at least king is 1v1ing marco, and marco loses while king seems perfectly fine, and he didn't do much to them in the 2v1 either

[ripe geyser]

(Sarcasm)

[night jewel]

@ripe geyser

[ripe geyser]

Oh I didn’t read the channel description, my apologies

[amber oar]

Correct, actually she left Mihawk's place in the same chapter

[proud tree]

Brook was still alive, when that thing happened to Vinsmokes 66 years ago, when they became Germa66?

[amber oar]

A year was never given, it was just somewhere in the past

[proud tree]

oh yeah you are right ... I thought he talked about 66 years ago, but he only talked about 66 days ... chapter 871

But we still dont know what this weird statement from Judge means ... 66days of hope? no land to step on? 300 years of desire? will it ever become relevant again?

is he talking about his invasion of north blue?

[pure raven]

I think he means that just in the span of 66 days their ancestors were left wandering

Not about 66 days before

[raven loom]

Do you guys think that the god valley incident will be repeated?
Rocks Xebec = Blackbeard
Garp = Coby
Roger = Luffy
Which will like a endgame fight?

[devout wagon]

Page one and Ulti will join Kids crew. Dont @ me wheb it happens

[proud tree]

wouldnt that be boring?

[amber oar]

this is not Naruto

[gray creek]

Koby isn’t nearly developed as a character enough to carry that dynamic. It would take a proper deuteragonist, which Luffy doesn’t have

[ember yoke]

Smoker?

[oak plover]

We thinking Zoro makes Wado a Black Blade?

[raven loom]

Yeah but he might be until this event will happen

[raven loom]

I dont watch Naruto

[oak plover]

The man keeps losing his swords, needs to turn off weapon durability

[gray creek]

We’re 80% or more through the story and you’re talking about making him into a main character

[raven loom]

You forget that the timeline can be changed in One Piece dramatically, your percentage doesnt matter

[gray creek]

I’m talking in the context of the real world, where one piece is a work of fiction that is mostly finished

[amber oar]

And that would be bad writing, Oda is better than that

[ancient vault]

no

[ancient vault]

true and

Zoro ryumas descendant

[sand chasm]

BlackBeard is Ussop’s uncle

[summer jasper]

That is pure headcannon. Marco says in a panel that its tough for him to delay 2 guys over 1b at the same time. And you also imply that chopper and other fodders can hold queen which dosent make any sense.

Also marco was just exhausted, he wasent damaged

[ancient vault]

I dont think hes implying that. But its true that queen was being distracted by chopper

[summer jasper]

Not all the time, and if I recall correctly chopper did not fight for long before being out

[waxen dust]

Posting this here cause I actually this theory, would be a cool twist.
https://twitter.com/strawhatufo/status/1459566487513882624?s=21

Mr UFO 👒🛸 (@StrawhatUFO)

One Piece Theory:

A case for Kuina being Imu, or at least, a vessel for Imu.

I'll share with you some speculations, some parallels, and one truly amazing Oda pun.

Hear me out. It'll be good. (I hope.)

#onepiece #onepiecetheory

Twitter · Nov 13, 2021, 4:59 PM

[pure raven]

Peak one piece theorist

[oak plover]

Aw man I was hoping for more supporting evidence ; it’s very much a “it’d be cool if these things were true, also here are some panels of them with similar objects”

Plus some “this would fit thematically” things that are usually just “it’d be cool” with further steps

[gray creek]

I think the only solid thing they could have touched on is Imu and themes of flightlessness/lack of freedom. That fits the story’s theme

[amber oar]

Geez, the amount of forced meanings to stuff that likely doesn't have them.

1. Brings up a supposed prophecy outta nowhere, that has never been hinted at all (and if you allow me a personal opinion, it's cliche af). If you bring an element you gotta provide some basis to it.
2. A forced comparison between the Skypiea altar and the Empty Throne, which are nothing alike except being, huh, elevated places.
3. Imu being immortal has no basis.
4. This Anglocentric notion that anything is expected to be pronounced under the (highly inconsistent) English language rules. Thing is, Imu (イム, ee-moo) and the emu (エミュー eh-myuu) are pronounced in completely different ways.
5. The forced "parallel" with Koushiro talking about a sword that doesn't cut paper. That line is actually about sword technique and the skill to cut exactly what you intend to cut, no more, no less. If any, the real reference to that is Kyoshiro "killing" Komurasaki - doing a precise cut to fake a honor killing while actually not harming her.
6. Giving a forced meaning to Zoro's promise which is about becoming the greatest swordsman, nothing more, nothing else. Complete misunderstanding of metaphore.
7. High place has stairs, more at 11. Giving a forced meaning to the mere presence of stairs is a massive stretch.
8. Imu Fell Down is some Denies Lobby level of shit.

[summer jasper]

😁😁😁

[oak plover]

Dennies Lobby?

[summer jasper]

Couldent have said it better myself

[oak plover]

Den Den Lobby?

[amber oar]

!denieslobby Another tryhard theory. It's a long ass video that concludes Laugh Tale is actually hidden below Enies Lobby. The best answer to that theory is the one triggered by the command at the start of this comment

[lone hedge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/833428729266438194/872498220708819035/Screenshot_20210804-171555.jpg

[subtle ermine]

DoNe PiECe

[oak plover]

Ah is that one of the ones that relies on over-complicating the road poneglyph hunt

Concluding it must describe a z axis or a time or whatever

I mean I am curious as to wtf is up with the hole in the sea at Enies Lobby but at the same time I can’t think of a reason that laugh tale would be there

[waxen dust]

yeah I didn’t think the evidence is convincing enough to make it truth as well. Definitely forced ideas but the concept would be an interesting twist especially if it is a fan fic like idea lol

[amber oar]

yeah that hole is interesting, but no way Laugh Tale is there.

In regards to that I have my own, half-joke theory:

[sturdy hound]

why would wano be on the other side

[oak plover]

Pfft makes as much I sense

[sturdy hound]

pretty interesting idea ngl

[copper palm]

that is actually not as impossible as it could be

[oak plover]

Wano is tall af and near the red line, it works out

[copper palm]

altough the hole at enies lobby is much smaller

than wano

[amber oar]

It's not that near the red line I think, but yeah well past the half of the strip

[oak plover]

Who knows the straw hats dgaf about their poses

Oda: describes excellent island hopping mechanics that give an outline for progress and support the genre

Oda: immediately has his characters say “fuck that” and do what they want

[sudden timber]

I wonder if Oda will make a backstory about Akainu that will make us sympathize with him.

[oak plover]

We’ve yet to get like, a full flashback for an arc villain, right? Like there’s sympathetic elements to Croc, Moria, Buggy, Smoker, orochi, linlin but not to a lot of

[copper palm]

probalby i mean some with such a hard on for justice has to have a defining turning point to be so obsessed with it

[oak plover]

I guess Linlin is the one we legit got a flashback for

Big Ma for Straw Hat, I Guess?

[copper palm]

Im still of the opinion that Kaido should just get a flash back where he is just like today and thats it he is just a monstrous beast who longs for battle and an interesting life

[amber oar]

Child Sakazuki's drawing is kinda telling.

[sudden timber]

The one for Señor Pink made me, at the very least, respect him.

[oak plover]

Meta theory: Orochi and the kurozumi backstory incorporate elements originally conceived of for Blackbeard

Evidence: the teech as kid sketch greatly reminds me of Orochi and the kurozumi history of being hunted

[oak plover]

Open red shirt, shorts, hat. Parallels?

[snow grove]

i think that frunky will do something with raidsuit

[amber oar]

The red shirt is an anime thing tho. The original pic is a SBS

But I guess the red shirt goes more with his color red theme than any parallel.

[sudden timber]

Probably just how the marines were hunting for Roger’s son, they figured out Teach is blood-related to Xebec. Took another surname to try to avoid suspicion.

[oak plover]

Possibly. The focus on the moon and his expression reminds me of Orochi hiding. Like I said it’s more a meta theory than a prediction

[ancient vault]

Doffy?

[supple epoch]

a lot of the antagonists we don’t have flashbacks for seem to have intentional mystery to them though

like ivankov crocodile stuff and blackbeard entirely

[proud tree]

Even Kuro had a backstory

[grizzled fog]

Blackbeard has yet to be the main focus of an arc yet so naturally he doesn’t have a flashback. Crocodile has one set up at least

[proud tree]

Don Krieg had no backstory

[supple epoch]

doesn’t need one. his name alone is enough

[gray creek]

It really is quite descriptive

[oak plover]

Yeh I misremembered all that

[left hare]

doffy ??

[oak plover]

Cf. My post directly above yours and also the many posts between my last and the one you replied to wherein people corrected me

[left hare]

ohhh word lmao didn't see all that

[oak plover]

No biggie, thanks for at least acknowledging it, lol; it happens so often

[proud tree]

So this is bad writing in your opinion?

[odd lichen]

please help nico robin llufffffffffffy

cp000 can't not have herrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[weak arrow]

You good?

[chilly hound]

do yall think Blackbeard went full logia and turned into darkness when the dark cloak was put over whitebeard during marineford

[sudden timber]

Yami-Yami no Mi awakening

[tawdry blaze]

Sounds down bad

[sleek mountain]

soo you mean to say he have awakened his fruit?

[oak plover]

The longer the series goes on the more I’m convinced Blackbeard just went under there with a bag of fruit and Oda hadn’t decided on it yet or wanted to save that reveal.

[oak plover]

Teech has a logia ; we have no idea what a logia awakening looks like .

[oak plover]

And he wanted to save the reveal

Okay I’m ready to be convinced: are the Admirals individually as strong as t Yonko?

[sleek mountain]

I'll be pretty surprised if Blackbeard doesn't turn entire area into darkness using his awakened fruit, and then Luffy comes around and brings the "dawn"

[oak plover]

I’ve heard it phrased that the “balance” is meant to be Navy(read:Admirals)+Warlords can hold against any one Emperor as the balance

[oak plover]

Again, we got no clue if that’s how Logia Awakes work. Also, teech already spreads darkness around

[pure raven]

@empty orchid this channel is for serious theories only

[sinful wedge]

How literally do we take this line? If Luffy is indeed Joyboy then Wano's borders didn't open before he arrived there

[pure raven]

Oden fella died after saying this and before opening the border/ports and meanwhile in between trying to open the ports

[low swallow]

If you take Joyboy as a position or title that a person gets or some sort of inherited will, then Luffy can still claim the role of Joyboy later on, so the line is not false in that sense

[near beacon]

I have a theory as to why gomu gomu no mi was important to the world government. Its because this fruit can stop aging. Yes you can control elasticity essentially and this would prevent muscles and skin to get loose. And also stop the bones to shrink.

[copper palm]

Good point but rubber creeps over time so instead of becoming short you become long

[warm saffron]

Katakuri was a logia, and he showed his awakening, along with Doflamingo, if anything, we’ve seen logia and zoan awakening on screen, but we haven’t yet seen paramecia in anything but the second last chapter

[warm saffron]

Depends on which yonko you talk about
They should be as strong as a yonko
In other words, if they battled, it would be a draw

[warm saffron]

Teech’s awaking would probably be to do what Aokiji does with ice age but with darkness

[half bolt]

katakuri was not a logia

admirals are weaker than yonko, not equal

[grizzled fog]

Doffy was nothing like a logia, katakuri wasn’t technically a logia either but he was very similar.

[timber silo]

he can alr do that

[warm saffron]

Jinbei states that Charlotte katakuri’s fruit was a logia

[warm saffron]

Again, it depends on what yonko you talk about

[grizzled fog]

That was changed. Katakuri is a paramecia

[warm saffron]

He can do it to the extent of a small town when he last showed it
True, two years has gone by, but it probably hasn’t been to the extent of apkiji’s yet unless he has awakened it

[grizzled fog]

But regardless of what it’s classified as it’s extremely similar to a logia. The main thing is that doffy is not a logia by any means, he’s a standard paramecia

[warm saffron]

True, I got that wrong

[warm saffron]

I could say that technically crocodile was a step away from awakening his devil fruit, and his powers were logia

[timber silo]

nah i think he awakened them

i think his awakening was drying the ground like he did on the palace grounds

it would make sense cuz the other awakenings were like this

[warm saffron]

I think that he is still a step away, as he could have turned all of alabasta kingdom to sand if he wanted to if he was awakened
Btw, how come he didn’t use this power at marineford?

[timber silo]

plot

or maybe he used it he got off screened most of the time

[pure raven]

just caught up to manga

[timber silo]

nah he kept going on about having mastered his df and shit. i mean he clashed with wb, doffy and mihawk. so it would make sense to why he had awakening

[timber silo]

congrats

[pure raven]

ty sooooo good

[warm saffron]

I guess
But, by now he should have an awakening

[timber silo]

yh

[warm saffron]

Wonder what’s gonna happen to Sanji

[pure raven]

no idea

i think he will be like his brothers but warm hearted

[warm saffron]

So....like he was before the latest chapter?

[pure raven]

yh more or less just can last longer in fights

and maybe the raid suit fused with him or awakened and he can turn invis without it or smthing

[warm saffron]

Yeah, he’s paractically turned into a walking Germa 66 raid suit
There is literally nothing he can’t do that he could with the suit
He can turn invisible
He can fly
I guess he will lose the transformation montage

[pure raven]

yh but that wasnt too good

but he did hit a woman soooo.....

[warm saffron]

Yeah, the transformation montage will be surely missed

[pure raven]

sanji will always be weaker than zoro but he may last longer in fights as he is pracitically a walking raid suit

[half bolt]

i believe crocodile has awakening as well

[warm saffron]

The raid suit helped in sanji’s durability, making him more durable in a fight compared to zoro, but, yeah, zoro is still stronger
Maybe zoro’s left will make him more powerful

[half bolt]

mostly because during the arc where it showed awakened zous he was turning shit into sand

[pure raven]

and asura

[half bolt]

like prison walls or w.e

[warm saffron]

Yes, and asura, which zoro still needs to master with the moves that require conquerors Haki

[pure raven]

crocodile is def awakened aokiji probs akainu def, dragon will be depending if he has a dev fruit

[warm saffron]

If anything, crocodile should be one of the most dangerous foes because of his devil fruit

[pure raven]

not against luffy as he knows crocs weakness

[half bolt]

i also speculate that ovens DF might be awakened

[pure raven]

no way too weak and not important for story line

only people with extreme power should have awakening

[warm saffron]

Forgot who he was for a second there

[half bolt]

hes pretty strong

[pure raven]

or who are relevant/coming back to the show

[half bolt]

i mean his triplet brother has it

[pure raven]

yh he's not relevant

nah he is not relevant enough to have a awakening remember they are rlly rare

[warm saffron]

The only person people really talk about from the Charlotte family other than big mom is katakuri, whether he’ll be the next yonko, or join luffy’s crew
And perospero, only because he’s appearing more and more in onigashima
All the others are forgotten quickly

[pure raven]

yh

new yonko imo are - luffy (pirate king so will lose yonko status), katakuri, kid and maybe marco idk bout law think he will die using his awakening

[wary fossil]

He loses jet feet. Now he’s back to running and sky walk

[warm saffron]

Marco will need a pirate crew

[pure raven]

remaining wb pirates maybe?

[warm saffron]

Jet feet allow him to fly
Sky walk allow him to fly
He needs more effort, but it’s basically the same thing

[wary fossil]

It’s a huge speed boost

[half bolt]

I dint think theyll kill him off like that

I still expect kaidou to get one more boost in some capacity

[pure raven]

Law has a purpose he won’t die here fighting mama

[supple anchor]

also its Oda

he doesn't kill characters often

[raw grotto]

https://twitter.com/TypicalJAnt/status/1459796868767137796

(Joe) Three Skull Theories (@TypicalJAnt)

I always figured that there will be 5 particular characters at Raftel

Luffy, Law, Blackbeard, Aokiji & Robin

I imagine Law saves Robin & Aokiji tricks Blackbeard

This could lead to Blackbeard getting Law's fruit https://t.co/KwPZw4Jtsd

Twitter · Nov 14, 2021, 8:14 AM

what are your thoughts on this concept? that is, there will be more ppl involved in raftel other than bb and luffy

[high narwhal]

It'll be cool tbh

[supple anchor]

i think its possible more people will be involved, its just so far in the future you cant make any accurate predictions about it, you can only speculate. I don't think BB is getting Law's fruit though, he already has a paramecia and i think its likelier that his last fruit is a zoan

[opal lintel]

BB might have this. Instead of behind the head it's behind his back . And it might be the reason he can't sleep

[sleek mountain]

damn broo you took whole thing to next level

[terse fable]

Voldebeard?

[crimson birch]

wow noice theory may be the back person sleeps

[proud tree]

Theory: D clan is evil. They destroyed good gods in the past, because they don't distinguish between good and evil. Now they are known as ** "natural enemy of god"**.

Marshall D Teach is what a normal D is supposed to be. Luffy just has another lineage mixed in, like Law has the "water" name mixed in

[fallow knot]

Do u guys think yamato will give hint to zoro tht he is from wano. Bcoz yamato didn't meet zoro yet.

[worldly dawn]

Does Yamato know Zoro?

[fallow knot]

She knew ushimaru. And when she sees him she will remember ushimaru and tell zoro about him

She sees all the SH except for zoro. Maybe oda did this on purpose

[nimble thistle]

I don't think the D Clan is inherently evil or good. I think the D Clan is just completely self-centered and focused on their own goals. I would not be surprised if it was a bit of lost history that the D Clan is one of several families forgotten that did not want to become Celestial Dragons, and that they were far more prominent than the World Government openly gives them credit for.

If anything, the "D" Clan was 'wiped from history' as a selection of Imu in the very distant past. Only a select few people we've seen in One Piece even know there's a significance to the D in their names, and even fewer than that know any actual history about the D Clan.

It gives me the impression that there was a monumental effort in covering up the history involving 'D'. So far, the only likely culprits capable of doing that would literally be the Celestial Dragons, or Imu. (Unless the name of D being stricken from history predates their creation. It is also entirely possible that the Lost History is the history of the D Clan it self. But that puts it smack-dab in the middle of the World Government's reign if it is.)

[nimble thistle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVbg5sIWeY8&ab_channel=BigNewsMorgans

Just saw this on Gin. What a missed opportunity from years ago. D: If Gin appeared in Wano, even unable to fight due to Krieg's poison gas, that would have been an incredible throwback.

[sinful helm]

It would be weird if gin is cp0

[amber oar]

ah, just like The Rock has Vincent Kompany

[ancient vault]

Gin is probably never coming back, maybe in the final war

[ripe geyser]

I doubt Gin is coming back

[proud tree]

Brook knows about Rocks and will of D

Brook should know about the infamous pirates from 52 years ago

[pure raven]

might happen if aokiji is one of the spies of revolutionary army or part of bb pirates

[little kelp]

[severe edge]

honestly i don't want law to keep following luffy anymore cause all this time law has been in alliance with luffy just to defeat kaido and no other reason it'd be sort of weird if he just decides to go along with luffy for like the rest of his journey

[little kelp]

it'll be awful ngl

[ripe geyser]

Law won’t be his enemy but he won’t follow him either

I have no idea how there are ppl that want Law to be a straw hat

[small frigate]

Why oda nerf BM? I like law and kidd but I want to see how she will destroy them

[wary fossil]

he's trying to find out what the D is

[severe edge]

doesn't mean he needs to follow luffy

[hushed gate]

i think law and kid will join strawhat fleet

[severe edge]

seriously do not want that to happen

[wary fossil]

Robin is the only known person in the world that can read the poneglyphs, so he does

[severe edge]

would utterly ruin their characters

[sinful helm]

i see them joining him as allies fighting vs bb alliance

bb+ kaido + bm + etc

[severe edge]

kaido bm and bb will probably never come under an alliance

actually there's probably not gonna be many alliances after wano

cause pirate alliances never work out

[sinful helm]

idk i see it as a reunion of rocks pirates

and luffy is the person that can make other people work together he is like the glue that connects pirates

[severe edge]

you'd more likely see shiki in there instead of bb then

[hushed gate]

they will form an alliance to defeat bb and prob die

[sinful helm]

bb is reincarnation of rocks or something like that

law will die using his ope ope fruit on luffy and Kidd is gonna be wb too luffy's roger

[hushed gate]

bb will kill shanks

[severe edge]

Law following luffy after wano just deprecates the point that law isn't someone of luffy's crew what people essentially want is for him to join the crew but know that him being a captain of a crew means he can't join the crew without ruining his entire character for which people wanna use alliance as an excuse to keep law around I'm not saying I don't like law it's just law following luffy around any longer will start to chip away his character as a captain little by little which I don't want to happen I'm not saying I don't want law to ever come back I'm just saying him being around luffy always is a bad idea

[wary fossil]

he's not just following luffy

They have similar goals right now, so it makes sense for him to ally himself with him. He still has a very loyal crew. He still has a ship.

he's the surgeon of death, not the bull in a china shop

the new world is savage and it takes some tact to survive

even strong pirates like big mom and kaido don't go about it solo

most of the worst generation got absorbed by the yonkos and even they were forming alliances before that

[bitter kraken]

Kidd woudnt join luffy either casue Kidd is a competitor for the OP and the title of pirate king

[pure raven]

I’m not sure if this is true but it’s kinda crazy how Oda has been planning for Wano or had a general idea since thriller bark

I didn’t even know I was in Manga-Theories

[scenic thicket]

law isnt one of luffys followers 🙄 hes his friend

[light basin]

Law and chopper finna to do work on zoro after wano, most likely in Elbaf where usopp is going to have his big chance to shine again as a brave warrior of the sea. Itll probably be the Farwell to law and his crew from linking with the straw hats now that kaido is down. I think BM will turn tail and run. Maybe get captured by the marines since her crew is going to be more then likely fighting them at the bottom of the waterfall. And since Tama was saved by BM, and katakuri has mucho respecto for liffy hes gonna be like "damn bruh u gonna help me save mama or nahhhhhh?"

[grizzled fog]

I mean , Big mom tried to kill tama almost immediately after saving her

[bitter kraken]

I feel like BMs crew is enough to take whatever is on the way from the GOV since it’s prolly CpO and they don’t seem very impressive unless they have brought with them the new science weapons then it would be nice to see. Hopefully we get to see it

[oak plover]

Well Masked CP0 is apparently Big Deal according to Robin

[bitter kraken]

Right big deal, but what I wonder if that means that they are super prestigious and have a lot of political power behind them or if they’re combat heavy hitters on par of marines top tier fighters? Because they seem to be assassins? Work in the shadows I don’t think they get into combat very often

[sand sail]

They're both

CP0 are the ones who drove Blackbeard away from Baltigo, for example. They've never really been portrayed as weak, at worst we have Stussy still having mastered Rokushiki

[oak plover]

I was gonna say, Lucci was "just" an assassin too

[bitter kraken]

They pushed BB back?

We haven’t seen anything from lucci after pre TS to think he’s gotten any stronger for all we know luffy could one shot him

[proud tree]

yes it was mentioned after Dragon left Baltigo

[bitter kraken]

Lol I don’t remember that at all, do you have a panel? I’m not good at finding fhem

[proud tree]

chapter 824

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uHhb8NGbOY thought on this? He argues it never gets dark at Enies Lobby, because of treasure tree eve, fully under World government control (it also sends light to fishmen island). Treasure tree Adam (the Sunny is made from its wood) is on Elbaph in his theory.

The Tree Eve and Adam both create new Devilfruits, since the giants are also pirate warriors, pirates get devil-fruits by chance. Doflamingo wants immortality from Laws fruit, to consume multiple Devilfruits.

[oak plover]

I've definitely heard "Adam is on Elbaf" before

Haven't watched the video but is he saying Eve is at Enies Lobby?

[proud tree]

no but he is saying: Eve is at Merie Yoa and Enies Lobby is close to it.

[oak plover]

okay but that... what?

How do we get from that to "always day at Enies"

(i am watching the vid)

[proud tree]

Eve sends light 1000 meters down to fishmen island, maybe the WG figured out a way to send light to Ennies Lobby too

[oak plover]

It doesn't "send" light to Fishmen Island. It reaches down to Fishman and its roots bleed light (a la Sabaody) to the island

It's very much "Point A...uhhhhhhhhhhhhh Point B?"

[proud tree]

I thought the roots work like glass fiber calbles, sending light like through a transparent medium ... but the bleeding light thing could also work

[oak plover]

I mean regardless that point is that it's not like WiFi-ing light to Fishman island so how is the light getting to Enies Lobby

hell, even the most obvious thing is "the Hole!" but the hole is... Dark.

[proud tree]

the light is comming from above the clouds, not below ... so maybe tree branches

but his argument makes not much sense: Marineford is closer to the red line, but there its not eternal night?

[oak plover]

Yeah. Exactly.

It's weird

also his description of how the giants' battles are shaking the fruit loose is hilariously reaching

It's like Zelda logic.

TBF: I think "Adam & Eve are the origin of Devil Fruits, Eve is in Mariejoa and Adam is on Elbaph" holds up or at least dont have anything shooting it down.

[proud tree]

Thoughts on the invisible fruit being used to cloak the tree, even after the original fruit user dying?

[oak plover]

just getting there now

I like the idea of SSG being artificial fruit peeople but i'm not sold

I thiiiink....

I think it's another thing that is a "...Okay? Why?"

Like, it's entirely... possible, I guess? But also his evidence for it requires ignoring standard, clear visual language (Tree Is In Distance) in favor of something that adds very little (Clear-Clear Fruit Invisible Tree)

If Adam is on Elbaph, that's reason enough the WG can't get to it. Even a Buster Call wouldn't necesarrily drop elbaph.

If Adam is on Elbaph, then those fruits can get into the world via a normal way: Person eats it, person leaves Elbaph, person dies, fruit reforms in nearest appropriate fruit type.

Same for Eve. Marine eats fruit, marine dies, uh oh now Johnny the Pirate has the Hammer Hammer Fruit

[proud tree]

• the hard Adam wood is accessible on the black market (for Franky), since Elbaph is not World government associated

[oak plover]

Yeah, accessing that sort of thing is super difficult

[proud tree]

And the World Government does not sell Eve Tree wood ....

[oak plover]

Well no, it's their Great Treasure. and/or a fun way to torture their slaves

[proud tree]

Another itneresting thing: how did Enel get his devil fruit? On Skypia there was not a single Shandian or native Skypian that used a devilfruit. So why where there devilfruits on Birka (one of Enels followers also had a devil fruit iirc)?

[oak plover]

If Urouge is a Birkan it appears theres more cross-contamination than the Skypeians had

[proud tree]

Skypia is located on the "Paradise" side, while Birka could be located on the "New World" side, where devilfruits are more common...

[half bolt]

i wonder about urouge

[oak plover]

Perhaps the Goro Goro has a weird-ass fruit type and Enel just happen to be snacking down on a mulberry

[half bolt]

urouge and jewelry bonney only ones havent been in this arc from worst gen, bege too but he was in wci

[oak plover]

Bonney was in Reverie

[pure raven]

Either..

1. Someone related to the Birkians went down to make a deal with the WG.

2. Someone related to the Birkians went down and found devil fruits by chance.

And as we already know, Urouge isn't new to the world below. We've seen him multiple times walking at Sabaody and against Big Mom's underlings. And we also have seen him being on the skies once again during Kaido's debut.

[oak plover]

Yeah, it could be just as simple as a freak occurance got some dude holding the Goro Goro up into the sky

Yeah. It doesn't require any more work than anyone else getting one

I'm actually more curious about when and how Robin got hers. Did we get an answer to that?

[proud tree]

If Birka was located above, or at the top of tressure tree Adam, and the best fruits grow at the top (like Electricity Logia, or Uroge regeneration). That could explain how Enel got it ...

[oak plover]

I mean, yes, that is technically true

[pure raven]

I wouldnt be surprise about it so that could be a possibility

[oak plover]

But it's also like more complex than needed to explain it

[proud tree]

iirc we never got an answer, but since Robin was involved with many bad organizations like Baroke works, they should have access to a black market

[pure raven]

The question is, where exactly did the first person get the fruits from? The skies or on the lands?

[oak plover]

The Baroque Works number agents all have fruits, I wouldn't be surprised if it came with the Codename

Define "First Person"

[proud tree]

I think the land, since a tree start out small on the ground and grows larger over 800 years

[pure raven]

Whoever that found the tree(s)

[oak plover]

Yeah Idk why a Sky person would have found the trees first

[proud tree]

The New world seems to be the origin for most devil fruits in pirate hands

[pure raven]

In my opinion, someone made a deal with the devil/supernatural being for power/help, so the devil fruits were then born from it.

It wasnt called the "devil" fruit but just fruits until people started doing evil things with it, so others started calling them as such.

[proud tree]

So the origin of devil fruits has to be located in the new world, not in paradise (east and south blue)

but in North and West Blue/ New World/ grand line ... Elbaph location

[proud tree]

But for example kings race was able to create fire without devil fruits

[pure raven]

Maybe with technology.

[runic hatch]

He’s just built different

[pure raven]

Afterall we did see the ancient writings on the moon relating to "technology"

[proud tree]

we know devil fruits can be copied with technology (by Vegapunk)

and even Cesar manages to create fake smile devil fruits

[pure raven]

Perhaps that is how Kings race attain such ability.

[low swallow]

We aren't sure if he has been able to attain a complete copy

Momo's fruit was a failure

[proud tree]

most of its abilities work tho. we have not see him doing a boro breath, but the flame cloud thing works

[low swallow]

Yah, but Vegapunk himself deemed it a failure. Maybe he's just a perfectionist and he's just mad that the dragon is pink. However, till then we can't say it is completely successful

[wary fossil]

I think that it was a failure because it was made to make another kaido

[pure raven]

Not really a theory but more of just a thought but it feels like a lot of the numbers designs are similar to characters already in the story someone on Reddit just noticed this one about juki https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/qu63gt/what_are_the_odds_that_juki_was_related_to_ao/ and a few of the other numbers have very similar appearances to characters in the story as well

Zanki reminds me of lucky roo

Fuga reminds me of ashura doji

Inbi reminds me of stainless

Might just be oda trying to pull a fast one on us

[oak plover]

he probably definitely not straight, at any rate lol

[oak plover]

So, is there anything further to say about "Charlotte Linlin is a predecessor to Caesar's child growth experiments" than the basics? The kids have an addiction to the drug that Caesar gives them and it resembles Linlin's food crazes. The kids are big "for no reason" and so is Linlin. The gigantification studies have been going on for "centuries" according to Law. If the WG was willing to plot with Carmel to dupe the Giants to get access to elbaph, why not dupe Carmel for some purpose by saddling her with one of their Big Kid rejects?

I know that Linlin's crazes are different from the kids in what triggers them, but either theres a connection or Oda just uses the same visual cues in order to draw thematic/artistic parallels between Linlin's cravings and an addiction

Either works

[pastel summit]

why not dupe Carmel for some purpose by saddling her with one of their Big Kid rejects?
Easy. Because they didn't. The WG had nothing to do with BM, her parents just dumped her, and Carmel found her. She was born like that, not experimented on. Unless you want to say that scene was actually all WG agents that only acted like her parents for the explicit goal of only duping the readers. Which is a pretty bad theory.

[oak plover]

Don't we get all of one(1) panel showing Linlin being dropped off?

[pastel summit]

Yeah, but her parents were seen crying about having to do it.

with no real reason to do that if they're actually government agents. That'd be strictly to dupe the readers.

[oak plover]

I mean its not unreasonable that researchers could feel sorrowful about abandoning a child on an island.

Lets cut out the "Cipher Pol PsyOp" angle and just focus on the Linlin as Child Gigantification Experiment part

Also you say that as iff no author has ever framed something misleadingly to dupe a reader

but even so, yeah, lets jettison the Cipher Pol angle

The bits that led me to throw the theory out there are still present.

my first extrapolation was just weak

[pastel summit]

They have, I just don't think it's a good angle to approach a theory from. That something was done with the sole purpose of duping readers. It's too meta and serves no in-story purpose.

[rapid fern]

What was the theory again?

[pastel summit]

She's quite literally noted as a "natural born destroyer". Idk. I just think it kinda makes half of her story completely redundant if actually she was experimented on and then abandoned, especially when if you're right and she WAS experimented on, she'd be basically the only successful gigantification on record. She's lived to 68 yrs old, while Caesar was saying the kids he was experimenting on wouldn't make it past childhood.

[oak plover]

Based on "The Punk Hazard Kids have really similar visual, behavioral and dialogue cues when they are going wild from addiction/withdrawal from their sweets to what BM has when she goes on a food craving rampage" and "Big Mom was a big kid" and "The WG has been trying to make giants for centuries" I posited that Linlin could be the result of an earlier Child Gigantification attempt.

[oak plover]

"Successful" only in the way that she's become a powerful Yonko; she's still half the size of a giant, she's nuts and uncontrollable

[pastel summit]

but she'd actually be a successful attempt that was abandoned for no real reason.

Well, she's 3/4 the height of what would be considered a "giant"

[oak plover]

Well we've seen them do that before. Cf. Vegapunk's Dragon Fruit

[pastel summit]

No, successful in that she actually survived. None of the others have ever survived.

[oak plover]

But I also don't think Linlin would count as a success. None of Caesars kids survived

[pastel summit]

There's no historical record of anyone being artificially gigantified successfully.

[oak plover]

I'm pointing out the similarities and not saying that Linlin would be a Caesar project (because the math doesn't work out for one of many reasons)

[pastel summit]

Caesar said his experiments were one of the most successful in the field because he managed to make them survive a few years.

[oak plover]

Yes, that's why this is a theory? And why Linlin wouldn't know this? If she was abandoned, then it would be because she was considered a failure. So just cuz she survived doesn't mean she's a success

[pastel summit]

No, it absolutely makes her a success if she survived.

She is 100000000000x more successful than any other attempt, why abandon? That doesn't track at all.

[oak plover]

It makes her more succesfful than Caesar but we don't know what metric the WG is using to track success

The Numbers have lived hundreds of years and are massive and powerful and are still Failures

[pastel summit]

Caesar said his experiments were some of the most successful in the field.

[rapid fern]

Here comes the catch, y’all remember Vegapunk right? What if he successfully created “Linlin” subject but hide her identity from everyone? Same as Kuma protecting Strawhat ship without Marine knowing?

Vegapunk probably understood how destructive it would be. I mean, just look at one Linlin

[pastel summit]

You can either assume Caesar is lying to say this theory works, in which case you are basically ignoring everything the manga says to push a theory, which is a pretty bad way to go about it.

[oak plover]

If the Numbers & Momo's fruit can bot hbe considered Failures, then "Big Kid who has addiction issues and no control and Isn't actually big enough" could be considered a failure

[pastel summit]

We don't know HOW the Numbers were experimented on.

[oak plover]

Caesar is lying about everything to big ma isnt he

"everything" is hyperbole but my point is he's a liar

[pastel summit]

He never said that to BM, that was his internal thoughts though

[oak plover]

No we don't know that but we also don't know why Ma is so big. In fact the only thing that even resembles Ma's situaation is... wait for it

[pastel summit]

We do. She was born like that. That's really it.

[rapid fern]

We can’t believe anything Caesar said, the man is literally a snake, can’t trust him

[oak plover]

The Giant Kids

[pastel summit]

She's a genetic mutation. It's not something you need to justify with "it only makes sense if she's experimented on"

[oak plover]

Okay so like things can be said in the manga that later turn out to be not true or half-truths, you know that right? Like Ace and luffy don't have the same parents.

I didn't say It only makes sense I said that the only similar thing is the big kids

[rapid fern]

I don’t think we know all about LinLin though. For example, Raizo, the minks said they didn’t have him, but they actually did. Same with LinLin, we cannot say that “Linlin isn’t the subject” unless Oda reveals everything to us.

[pastel summit]

This is different to saying BM was experimented on, and everything we saw was just a facade. Ace was literally introduced with a different surname. The possibility of them not actually being related was on the table from the get-go. People call people they're close with brothers all the time. Just obviously the most common connotation would be "actual blood related siblings"

You're not really claiming these things are half-truths. You're saying they're flat out lies, just to deceive the readers.

[oak plover]

I mean I'm not imagining oda cackling maniacally rubbing hands together going "yees yeees they'll all feel so stupid for believing meee"

[rapid fern]

Yes, just think about Raizo for a sec, Oda literally faking it

[pastel summit]

Yeah but you kinda are. Because I don't see what the purpose of all this is, when it serves no story purpose other than deceiving readers. because most of this is told through narration.

[oak plover]

I'm relying on tried and true dramatic storytelling methods of irony? It's even got a tvtropes page, something like "Once More with Clarity", where you see something that was presented one way later in the story with morecontext that changes or flips the interpretation

It serves the purpose of connecting Linlin's strange nature to something else within the series, connecting the gigantification more fully to the Elbaph narrative through her and giving her more "victim as victimizer" vibes as well.

Also it doesn't matter what the Purpose of it is. The purposes is that this is #manga-theories

[pastel summit]

something like this for example. No reason for this to be a lie. It's internal monologue. You can take this to be a truthful statement. If Big Mom actually was a semi-successful experiment, in that she at least was able to survive, and almost grow to the heights of real giants, it kinda contradicts this. Or Caesar is working off bad material.

[pure raven]

@gusty otter this isn’t a channel for memes its for serious theories

[oak plover]

And I had a theory about the manga, that I wondered if anyone had already made hay over.

[pastel summit]

I mean, if you don't want the theory to be scrutinized, you shouldn't post it publicly.

[oak plover]

"I can't guarantee survival" in no way cuts off the possibility that someone else did it before differently

Now If I was suggesting that Linlin was given "some magical pill that will make ordinary people grow" then yeah you'd be right to say it makes no sense for that to be a lie or a mistake bby Caesar

[rapid fern]

That just meaning his method wasn’t perfect, but then again, there’s Vegapunk

[pastel summit]

Right, but there's an example of survival. and you're saying the WG did it. yet the WG does not have an army of almost giants. You're saying the WG succeeded almost 70 yrs ago to raise people to become almost giants, yet they haven't done it?

[oak plover]

We can take that to be Caesar's belief that hasn't been contradicted yet.

@gusty otter no bro it's in the channel description

[pastel summit]

and Caesar has no idea? WG has no idea? There's no public research for it? No private research on it? Caesar did work for the WG once upon a time you know. If the WG succeeded, or partially succeeded because you don't think BM is a success, that would be recorded. and the experimental method used on it would've been noted.

[oak plover]

I'm saying the WG produced Big Mom, someone who is clearly not a giant warrior who can be utilized in an army because she's uncontrollable and nutburgers

[lone hedge]

iTzHero#2462 has been muted!

[oak plover]

Would it be recorded? by the WG?

In One Piece?

[pastel summit]

That doesn't really matter though? WG had Weevil as a Warlord, and he couldn't be controlled. Warlord system was in place for decades and they couldn't be controlled properly either.

[oak plover]

The people who glaze over every mistake they make? Including ones like idk the destruction of PH was done by a PH scientist deliberately

[rapid fern]

There’s Kuma protecting Strawhat Ship

[pastel summit]

Yes, it would be recorded by the WG. Why would it not? How do you expect to improve on the scientific process if you don't note what you've done previously? Please expect some realism in this aspect at least lol. You can't just guesswork your way to successful scientific operations. It's based on previous data and theories.

Even if you want to say it's a complete failure, they'd still note it somewhere.

[oak plover]

It matters if the goal here is "Linlin was a product of the gigantification experiments". The goal of gigantification is to make an army of giants.

[rapid fern]

There’s many ways to deceive people, perfectly.

[oak plover]

Or even if that's not it, then we actually don't know what the goal is for the gigantification experiements and in that case it's even easier to call Linlin a failure

[pastel summit]

70 yrs and they haven't tried again? Whatever method they used was good enough to at least get her survive. WG would absolutely try again.

For the record, it's not like she couldn't be controlled at all. because she absolutely was. Most people would agree she was controlled by Streussen as a child.

[oak plover]

Sure, and those experiements must have failed, in this paradigm, because there aren't any more linlins running around

And yet it took the death of some giants and mother carmel before she was found by someone who could control her

[pastel summit]

Right, but that's under the assumption she's an experiment. Why would they not try again? Why would they not iterate?

[oak plover]

I'm not saying they didn't? There's so much white page here there's nothing saying they didn't

[pastel summit]

As far as we know, they haven't.

[rapid fern]

Because they probably against it, only Caesar doing it.

[pastel summit]

WG is definitely not against it lol

[oak plover]

The only target I have to hit is "no successes at this point" and again if things like the numbers are considered failures then theres a wide margin for it

Vegapunk is, and he's the one in charge at least the last 20 years

[pastel summit]

Again, we don't know how exactly the numbers were experimented on.

[oak plover]

But we know they are gigiantification experiments

[pastel summit]

Vegapunk is definitely not against it lol.

[ancient vault]

Choc in theories

[pastel summit]

everywhere else was dead.

[ancient vault]

[rapid fern]

Then they would need someone with a mind like Caesar to do it, however, look at him, he wants all profits for himself

[pastel summit]

I come in here occasionally to see what theories people are talking about.

[oak plover]

If Caesar could get the WG to support him, why would he be hiding and looking for LInlin?

[ancient vault]

Same but there are just trash ones recently

[pastel summit]

Not really.

[ancient vault]

Do you think moria and co. coming to wano is still possible?

[pastel summit]

No.

[ancient vault]

What about my caribou theory

[pastel summit]

I don't know what you mean by this. Caesar was literally employed by the WG, tried to create a dangerous bioweapon, and blew up punk hazard and became a wanted criminal. Then Big Mom looked for him to create the gigantification drug, he knew it was impossible, but asked her for "funds" to create it, then wasted the funds on booze and hookers.

[ancient vault]

Whats this discussion about?

[pastel summit]

is big mom gigantification experiment.

[rapid fern]

I think LinLin was the successful experiment is a good theory, it’s just we know too little about how WG and Scientists operate. They might against each other, or just agree on some projects. For example, Pacifistas(Peace keepers)

[ancient vault]

I remember the theory that big mol is a seastone lol

[pastel summit]

Or more specifically, the theory is Big Mom was an abandoned kid from gigantification experiments WG did and deemed a "failure" for being "uncontrollable" and "too short"

[ancient vault]

Thqt she inhaled that seastone gas which also made the animals on snypiea and foxy island so big

[pastel summit]

lol

[rapid fern]

Queen, Judge was on Vegapunk’s team

[pastel summit]

so wouldn't she be killing herself just by existing then? since she has a DF but also has seastone in her body

[rapid fern]

Yet, look at them now, what has happened?

[ancient vault]

But wouldnt cp0 know that back in carmel

[ancient vault]

Well its not seastone but that gas thing

[pastel summit]

Yeah, there are a lot of issues with the theory lol. It's not mine.

[ancient vault]

I just called it seastone xause idk the name of the gas

[pastel summit]

pyrobloin

[rapid fern]

You’re harsh man, the theory has no issue imo

[ancient vault]

Yess that one

[pastel summit]

It does have a lot of issues. We're already ignoring a lot of things baseline just to assume it's possible.

[ancient vault]

The theory has lots of issues.
For example the one I mentioned about cp0
Why hasnt it been brought up yet or hinted at when kaido experiments were already hinted at and straight up mentioned
This is 60years back, we dont know any gigantification experiments that go this far back

[pastel summit]

You have to ignore that her parents, who acted like parents when they weren't even next to her, and referred to each other has her parents when they weren't next to her, i.e. no reason to put up a facade that they weren't actually her parents.

[ancient vault]

And how exactly is she failed? Shes the same size as the children in PH

[pastel summit]

She would be at least a semi-successful gigantification in that she is almost as tall as giants, and actually managed to survive, but it's never addressed by anyone in the multiple times gigantification is brought up.

[ancient vault]

Ha same thought choc

New question
What do you think is Caribous purpose in this arc?

[rapid fern]

He’s done with his purpose bro

Luffy’s food storage

[ancient vault]

[night jewel]

the fact that he knows the location of poseidon just has to play a role somehow

[ancient vault]

I think its his ticket straight to blackbeard

When shiryu etc appear

[night jewel]

idk where it goes from that though
1- luffy told caribou to go work with Kid instead, maybe he gets it?
2- if some of bbp show up, maybe they capture him
3- big mom.
4- caribou is a good guy and will keep his mouth shut forever ( )

[rapid fern]

Caribou isn’t a good guy, he’s just plain stupid, imagine taking side with Luffy when he could take side with Kaido

[night jewel]

but either way, he still should have a role to play and it is prolly something related to that info

[ancient vault]

5 he comes across blackbeard pirates and tells them about it in return to be taking to blackbeard

[night jewel]

thats kinda 2 too, either the BBP capture him or i guess he may reveal it himself lol

[ancient vault]

Oh i read BMP

[night jewel]

ah

i wonder if this may play a role

[ancient vault]

I doubt kid trusts him tho

[night jewel]

hm true

[cyan berry]

kid doesnt trust anyone outside his crew

[low swallow]

Yah, especially not after Kaido crushed them

Before that, maybe he may have at least asked Caribou for his intel, but now he just doesn't trust nobody

[fathom matrix]

It probably took all he could to even team up with Law and Luffy

but still doesn't trust them. Maybe by the end of the arc he might begrudging admit he respects or maybe trusts Luffy and Law, but doens't say or reveal it

[visual merlin]

seems like he already has faith in luffy to beat kaido at least

[fathom matrix]

Yeah, but it's probably not like a 100% trust, like hell, he agreed to fight BM with Traf, but he won't even reveal the time limit to Law just so he understands the gap of time they got

[pure raven]

i have a really raw theory but wat if Rocks is Imu.

[split glacier]

Been said before and most likely not.

[pure raven]

k

[nocturne sentinel]

Kid will have an intermonologue saying he wishes he allied with luffy and law instead of apoo and hawkins

A spineless man
A snake

[pine delta]

i mean he never had the option to do that

[fathom matrix]

I can imagine it being he has flashes back to Luffy and Law, but walking away thinking "...I guess those 2 aren't that bad"

[proud tree]

Any good theories how thriller bark can cross the red line?

[zinc meteor]

enel will beat everyone, the end

[pure raven]

O

[formal ingot]

he looks like buggy material

[plush pike]

Coating

[plush pike]

Highly unlikely, Xebec was the leader of pirates that flew in each others' throat constantly. I doubt he'd be some serene conspiring leader of the entire world in the shadows.

[pure raven]

I feel like Xebec was basically the kind of guy who is like “you are strong? Join me And do whatever the fuck you want"

[plush pike]

Yeah that sounds more like what we know. Not this butterfly on finger slender character.

[proud tree]

can Moria coat himself, or does he have a friend that can coat the largest ship on the world for him?

[plush pike]

Who knows, maybe he kidnapped one and took his shadow until he coated the entire ship?

[nocturne sentinel]

Dragon is the user of rogers fruit

[pure raven]

Ah yes the good ol Air DF theory

Can sun god nika get referred to luffy,because one day nika will freed all slaves and bring smiles to their faces,so myb luffy is nika,but in some different way?

Could be

Hm

[cursive tree]

% of chance for Shanks to show up in Wano ?

[cyan berry]

0

[dreamy rune]

There is 1%chance that shanks might show up in wano.

[desert hatch]

shanks has like 6 weeks to make his appearance, unless oda was all cap last year, which is super possible

[amber oar]

4 chapters actually

[cyan berry]

kid already made multiple moves guys lol

[heady parrot]

i have a feeling act 3 is gonna end on 1033 so the final two chapters of the year, 1034 and 1035 will be part of the intermission between acts and show Shanks. next years first chapter, 1036, will end the intermission and start act 4 atop the new year.

[proud tree]

what did Roger mean, when he said to Rayleigh: "Turn the world upside down?"

And Toki also said something about the world being turned upside down (Chapter 973)

[heady parrot]

We can only speculate, but most assume it has to do with Luffy fulfilling the will of Joy Boy. Maybe it’s just Luffy dismantling the current systems of power both directly and indirectly through his actions on his way to become Pirate King.

I would certainly consider the upending an 800 year old global superpower as turning the world upside down.

[proud tree]

Speculation: The red line will really be turned upside down.... Reverse mountain will become a normal waterfall again, instead of being "reversed".

[sinful helm]

Or destroy the red line that for sure isn't natural

[proud tree]

since Whitebeard said the red line is the place where gods lived a long time ago ... I think that is debatable, maybe its natural

[proud tree]

defeating them is deeply linked with the One Piece: Chapter 576 and "turning the world upside down"

[sinful helm]

where gods used too live doesnt make them natural i think it could have been made by the gods that were the enemy of the D before void century

[ancient vault]

Doffy and corazon were talking about the celestial dragons tho

[sinful helm]

most of them dont know about Imu exisiting either so that doesnt make them the best authority of knowledge before void century and "gods" and devils

[ripe geyser]

Who thinks the similar skull designs on Shiryu and King’s clothes is a coincidence

[proud tree]

Me ... why introduce it 400 chapters ago, without mentioning it ever again?

[muted ember]

Wano/Post time skip theory: MADS was together on PH 4 years ago. I just find it hard to believe Momo's fruit was just sitting there for a long time. Niji said Vegapunk was arrested, but then he said "they" were absorbed into the government. We know Judge had a spot at the Reverie until recently. Is they Vegapunk and his team? On Punk Hazard, one of the blocks is R-66 even tho there's only blocks A-D, it's out of place, possibly a tribute to Reiju as the first enhanced child, who just happens to have a 66 tattoo. The sign on PH has a world government symbol beside Onigashima, implying it is jointly controlled by Kaido and the WG. And it doesn't appear on log poses, possibly bc Kaido moves it from time to time. Kaido may have been made a Shichibukai at some point and when he left and became a Yonko he made sure Joker would take his spot, maintaining the link between his underworld business and the government.

[ancient vault]

it is. Jinbei had the same on his WCI outfit

[void sun]

This is your reminder:

The One Piece is on the moon.

Thank you for your time.

[pure raven]

No

[tawdry bramble]

World being turned upside down will fix the grand line’s magnetic issues and correct the wackiness in the world.

I think it’s literal.

[flat gale]

https://twitter.com/TypicalJAnt/status/1460266951855550472?s=20 an amazing fan theory i found on twitter.

(Joe) Three Skull Theories (@TypicalJAnt)

One Piece Theory

The Fate of Vivi

#ONEPIECE #Theory

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Twitter · Nov 15, 2021, 3:22 PM

It's quite a lengthy twitter thread, too. @gloomy canyon Do you think this showcases some merrit to be pinned?

[weak arrow]

We only pin theories made by users of the server

[flat gale]

whoops

Sorry about that

[weak arrow]

I agree that regardless of where she is right now, which for me personally is impel down, she’s with sabo

I highly doubt Sabo escaped though

[flat gale]

And i also agree with the fact Wapol is the wildcard of the situation right now

[sinful helm]

i think sabo "kidnapped" vivi

[noble olive]

i think that we might get to see the emerald cityeventually, since everything bellamy mentioned has been confirmed to be true so far

[sinful helm]

Impel down is not good enough of the prison too secure enemies of luffy if she was held in Marijeoa then sure but impel down no

[gray creek]

Impel Down is still a ridiculously secure location, I don’t think Luffy could just head-on attack it and actually get anywhere

[ripe geyser]

What do we think the emerald city is

[nimble thistle]

Anyone seen the theory that Dragon is actually the descendent/son of Xebec, and Garp took him in because of his 'The sins of the father should not be the sins of the son' complex? And Luffy is then, thus, through not only her mother, but Dragon as well, tied to both the light and dark of the D family, essentially creating the two halves to the full moon image?

Or something like that. 🤔 I think I remembered the gist of the theory accurately.

[weak arrow]

I’d say it’s more accurate to say Garp got that complex because of Roger and Ace. And Roger knew that because he took in the son of Xebec and possibly a son of a celestial dragon, aka shanks and/or buggy. That’s why he could tell Garp that when he was imprisoned and ask him to for Ace.

[ripe geyser]

Yeah I’ve seen that. Basically the idea that Garp is a maternal grandfather instead of being Dragon’s father and that Luffy’s mother is the light side of D and Dragon is son of Xebec, the dark side of D

[amber oar]

Yes, but it has a little problem... the timeline in Dragon's vivre card explicitly states that he was born 55 years ago "as Garp's son"

[nimble thistle]

Vivre cards can be misleading or wrong, it happens. But how long ago was Xebec? Because if I'm thinking right, the timeline matchup could support the notion, at the very least.

[amber oar]

Corrections have been released very quickly, for example Hitetsu's age was fixed within days. Dragon's vivre card was released ages ago.

And when they want to hide info, they leave it vague or just omit it. This is not vague, this is an explicit statement. "Before 55 - Born as Garp's son"

Dragon was 17 when God Valley dropped anyway

Actually, as I go to the store, please bring an example of the vivre cards getting something wrong and a correction not being released

[nimble thistle]

Why would the Vivre card be fixed before the reveal, if it actually turns out to be this way?

[amber oar]

Because the corrections don't come after reveals, corrections are to fix accidental mistakes

Like an age being wrong (ex. Hitetsu), or a misspelling. That's the kind of stuff that comes in vivre card corrections. Not info retcons after something is revealed

[heady parrot]

What about Sabo being confirmed dead in data book green?

[amber oar]

One Piece Green is One Piece Green, the vivre cards are the vivre cards. Different publications. Vivre cards were created explicitly to have a "dynamic" data book that adds new info as it comes.

Anyway, I looked up and apparently OP Green doesn't confirm shit. Here's a post from 2012 questioning the alleged statement
https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Sabo's_death

[odd lichen]

when spoiler

[grizzled fog]

That’s not a theory tho. That’s a fact

[latent zodiac]

im honestly dreading and excited to leave wano

[mortal field]

Damn dawg the week just started

[latent zodiac]

on one hand we get to see what happens to the world without shichibukai or potentially 2 yonko

and on the other hand we get to see the horrors that have transpired while the strawhats were away in Wano

[old silo]

Do you think that zoro will replace his kitetsu with shodai kitetsu or with oden's other sword "ame no-habakiri" formerly given to momonosuke

[obtuse matrix]

I'm not sure, he's kinda had his current kitetsu for a while so I don't think he'd just replace it out of nowhere

[old silo]

Yeah true, it might become a black blade and be considered a supreme grade

[obtuse matrix]

I just wanna see what the crew thinks about what happens after Wano rn

Like how is what happens gonna be seen by the WG and the world as a whole

A lot of people think that the world is gonna be down 2 yonko, but I don't think big mom gets replaced tbh. I think when the WG forces show up, she and her crew are gonna escape. Kaido is gonna get killed or captured, so the beast pirates are gonna go bye bye

[latent zodiac]

OH FOR SURE

[echo creek]

law is going to die im predicting it !

[obtuse matrix]

So what if, instead of Luffy just replacing Kaido, the WG sees Luffy Law and Kidd as a new "faction", pirates who aren't really established enough to be considered yonko, but also are strong enough to go after and take on yonko. This name I came up with is badass: THE THREE CAESARS -or- THE THREE PRINCES

[latent zodiac]

2 yonko down or defeated (not specifically dead), abolishing the 7 warlords...

[echo creek]

or another major character will die which will trigger the last arc being the final war

[latent zodiac]

or they just ignore them and go full scale war on them

since rn shanks is supposedly dealing with BB

[obtuse matrix]

how so?

[latent zodiac]

or allegedly

[obtuse matrix]

like what chapter is that from cause I dont remember that at all lmao

[gloomy canyon]

I'm saving this so hard. This is good

[atomic stirrup]

Usopp needs to step up in this arc. He may be involved with fighting those stronger Number Giants.

Maybe he can imbed haki into his slingshot attacks.

[low swallow]

Sanji FI-Dressrosa did much less. Now we got four emperors saga Sanji complete 360. No worries, Usopp bout to show out in Elbaf's saga.

[atomic stirrup]

They have their matchups set up. Usopp doesn't have anything set up right now besides returning Kinemon's lower half.

Everyone else on the Straw Hat Crew has stepped up or is in the process of doing something, besides Usopp.

I don't think he is going to be left out, so I think he is going to be doing something real soon.

[obtuse matrix]

nah he can only really do observation, and probably doesn't have much of a handle on it at this point

All I know is that Zoro is finally gonna get pushed to his limit and be forced to unleash whatever hidden power is sealed away under his eye

There's a possibility that Mihawk had him keep his eye closed so that he could be both continually at a handicap and training observation haki at the same time, and if he opens his eye he'll be twice as strong

[atomic stirrup]

Maybe, he was told he couldn't open his eye until he got a black blade.

[grizzled fog]

And kaido couldn’t push zoro to his limit?

[raw grotto]

Sawyers vid got me shook fr. Love it

[sand sail]

Probably impossible at this point tbh

[turbid river]

i have theory and its that koby will be luffys final fight

[idle sorrel]

*pirate king

[sand sail]

Go ahead and read the channel description for me

[solar knoll]

i wonder if the yonko Existed before Shanks and if so, who did Shanks replace as yonko

Because when they revealed Shank's Bounty they did say hehas been only called a yonko for 6 years impling the others were known as a yonko for longer than 6 years

Shiki comes to mind

[pure raven]

Bruh my man got no chill

[gloomy canyon]

Given they even bothered to mention Shanks only being a Yonko for 6 years and they didn’t for the others, it’s safe to say the emperor “system” has been around for longer than that. It probably started to become a thing after Rogers death and the start of the great pirate era. We know that’s when Kaido was seriously amassing his army and that’s when a lot of BM’s children would be entering adulthood so she could have a proper army as well. WB is self explanatory. He was the strongest dude around and had incredible influence around the world.

Also, given the warlord system is part of the 3 great powers and the world balance and literally act as an additional counter measurement against Yonkos, it’s safe to assume the Yonko have been around just as long or even longer than them. We know Croc had been a warlord since his “mid 20s” which was 20 years ago. My guess is that is when Mihawk became one as well. So the timeline adds up. Makes sense for all of this to occur near the start of the great pirate era

[solar knoll]

Yea i am really wondering who was the previous emperor that Shanks too over

[gloomy canyon]

There doesn’t need to have been one

[solar knoll]

took*

[gloomy canyon]

There’s no set limit of emperors

[solar knoll]

Yea doesnt need to be one

[gloomy canyon]

Guess they’re just called the Yonko currently because there’s 4 of them

[solar knoll]

it could be but also a possibility that someone was known as a yonko before shanks

[sinful wedge]

So before Shanks came along, wouldn't the balance of powers be tipped a bit in favor of the marines?

[gloomy canyon]

No

Because the balance exists on the expectation that the emperors don’t join forces

[sinful wedge]

That's true yeah

[solar knoll]

thats true

I think if the yonko joined the marines would be wiped out

Hence needing Roger + Garp to actually stop Rocks

Garp even stopped the marines from engaging Rayleigh saying it was impossible to take on both WB and Rayleigh at the same time

[junior cape]

The thing about all the "Old Soldier" types, like Rayleigh and Whitebeard, is that even on their own, no crew, THEY ARE ALMOST UNSTOPPABLE. No fodder marine will ever be able to beat them, unless literally handed the victory by divine intervention. It took the combined pressure of Kizaru, 2 Pacifistas, that weird sumo guy, and actual Kuma to keep Rayleigh away from the Straw Hats on Sabaody. That is 1 Admiral of the Navy with incredibly broken strong Devil Fruit powers, 2 giant killer cyborgs with laser beams and immense physical prowess, a THIRD killer cyborg with Devil Fruit powers, and a master of armament and observation haki strong enough to be the personal bodyguard of the world's smartest man. All of that, to keep one old man from a group of pirates. Same thing goes for Whitebeard. It took basically the entire military strength of the Marines, plus the 7 Warlords, PLUS like 20 Pacifistas, and a massive trap, and Whitebeard's actual literal old age handicapping him, just for Blackbeard to swoop in from Impel Down and kill him with a firing squad and power theft. Taking a look at a different person, Garp is an excellent example of this as well. After Ace died, he said that if Sengoku, a man widely renowned as the strongest and smartest man in the Marines, did not hold him back, he would kill Akainu himself, and there wouldn't have been any question to if he could actually do it.

So yeah it's fair to say that if they had taken on Rayleigh AND Whitebeard at the same time, there wouldn't have been a Marineford arc, at least not as we have it today. Ace likely wouldn't have died, and the Straw Hats would've gotten obliterated in the New World since Luffy would get them back together early.

On the flip side, it would've been nice to see Rayleigh get serious in a fight.

[low swallow]

It took <= 1 Kizaru to keep Rayleigh away in Saobody. WB was already proclaimed to be the WSM before that event. Wait a sec, are you just counting the opposition, and not counting the allies, then removing the context. And garp said he will kill Akainu, so what? Luffy said he would beat Aokiji back in LRLI

[pastel summit]

No, it was just Kizaru. The other guys were focused on the SHs only.

If it was Kizaru + 2 pacifista + Kuma + Sentomaru vs Rayleigh alone, Rayleigh would've lost pretty damn quickly.

[low swallow]

Heck just Kizaru + Sentomaru is wiping Rayleigh

Rayleigh could do his best just to hold Kizaru back, no more

[pastel summit]

yeah. For whatever reason they stopped fighting after Kuma wiped the SHs. I guess Kizaru saw it as pointless idk.

In all honesty, Garp alone probably could've dealt with Rayleigh if he wanted to. Given he was actually active in the 20+ yrs since Roger died, while Rayleigh wasn't, I'm sure Garp was significantly stronger than Rayleigh. but I guess the Marines like to deal in absolutes. Probably only want to send forces that absolutely will win? Though they don't even do that a lot of the time.

[gloomy canyon]

Always found that weird given Kizaru said his crimes didn’t go away coz he’s a pirate and said they’d need to prepare themselves in more than one way, but they definitely could have defeated him there

Maybe he thought in order to keep him restrained for good they needed to bring an entire invasion force/convoy

Like they have for the warlords

[swift panther]

How Y'all buying into the rocks d dragon theory?

[gloomy canyon]

Not at all

Given Dragon is Garps son

[swift panther]

Glr made a video on it

I think it's quite good

[pastel summit]

Unnecessary subversion of what we've been told so far.

[gloomy canyon]

“Born as Garps son” afaik

[junior cape]

Still find it weird that some people don't think Garp and Dragon are related...

[pastel summit]

Yeah that's what it says I think.

[swift panther]

Idk man. He never really said he's his son tho

[gloomy canyon]

Everything points to Dragon being Garps biological son

[swift panther]

Holdon

[gloomy canyon]

The vivre cards say that he was born as Garps son. Chinjao refers to him as Garps son. Dragon was born in the Goa kingdom, same as Garp and Luffy

[pastel summit]

Idk why people like BM, Kaido and WB wouldn't know Xebec had a son either.

[swift panther]

Can't send screenshot here but