manga-theories

[near osprey]

But if he remains an antag after Wano I can see him allying with Blackbeard along with BM and recreating the Rocks

[proud tree]

As "Shield of Celestial Dragons"

[near osprey]

Some think Wano will end with Kaido being killed because the "Akazaya want his head" but the people of Dressrosa also wanted Doflamingo dead and look where he's at now.

Lot of factors to consider lot of different routes Oda could take.

Yo who reads Shonen Jump on their PC? I need to find a chapter and every time I go on Viz they try and sell it to me

[fathom matrix]

pretty sure they're meant to protect the C.Ds, which is also kinda the admiral's job too, and Kaku as well as Lucci have improved since the time skip and learned haki

I think it's best to say they're higher up on the ladder

[near osprey]

I still wonder why the CDs are even relevant tbh

If Imu is the one who really pulls the strings what makes the CD so relevant to the WG

[fathom matrix]

I think it's kinda like a medal of honor thing or gift? Like because they helped establish the WG, they're privilaged to be the "best of the best" and higher ups.

cause they're part of the 20 families (the nefertaries fucked off) who established (correct me if I'm wrong) the WG, so in the eyes of the gorosei, Imu and the WG, it's like "okay, none of this would be possible without your families, you get the highest privilage in like, every concievable way"

[near osprey]

Yeah but they could just as easily wipe them out too and just run the show themselves

No point in having pompous entitled nobles who can't even fight for themselves to run the WG

[fathom matrix]

yeah, but I think they're also a tool too to help run the world? Like, don't step out of line, or else the CDs will come get you or whatever?

Like, they're also a fear factor?

[modest skiff]

My CD theory is that one of the big reasons the AK was defeated was because they had extreme powers that could be used for either good or evil (such as controlling the sea level of the planet) and that the CDs seized this power during their overthrowing of the AK. I think the "secret of Marie Jois" Doffy referenced is that they don't actually have the capability to use this capability. So the CDs essentially have a giant bluff in play and it is the reason the navy etc are all loyal. Folks like Garp bending the knee only makes sense if we assume war against the CDs is worse than 800 years of slavery and rape

[fathom matrix]

so basically, it's not out of loyalty, but step out of like or dethrone the CDs and you are fucked?

[modest skiff]

That's what I think

[waxen dust]

yeah I agree with this because there hasn’t been any coup’s since the founding of the WG & establishment of the CDs. So this implies there is something backing the current system that can overwhelm any current existing man power

[modest skiff]

We have seen plenty of examples of royal folks being deathly afraid of CDs. There is zero respect, just fear. And when Doffy's family moved down to live with commoners, they were hated by everyone

[waxen dust]

yup just like the Nefertari family

in regards to the being marked as traitors

[uncut topaz]

At 1030 end there was a big explosion it means os big mol defeated ???

[burnt lynx]

Big mom?

[uncut topaz]

Yes

[modest skiff]

Yeah, which is why I am relatively firm on my theory of controlling the sea level. I think it is assumed that the CDs can press a button and the sea level rises by 100 ft or something.

A bit of an expansion of my theory is that I think there is a connecting pathway from one side of the red line to the other, through the center of the planet. So you can essentially flood one side or the other of the red line if you want to, with the proper things in place. Perhaps there is some gate that can be lowered or raised, and if the CDs press a button, half the planet drowns

[waxen dust]

doubtful

[burnt lynx]

She’s not defeated just yet, it’s gonna take a lot more since she’s a Yonko

[uncut topaz]

Yea i thinked about est that

[naive breach]

we havent saw the bodies of roger and xebec so is there any chance wg turn their bodies into pacifistas?

[modest skiff]

I don't think we have any reason to think they have been made into pacifistas

[near osprey]

@naive breach nah if they do show back it'll be as Zombies by Moria's power I'm certain

[burnt lynx]

I would be shocked if that happened. Plus if you think about it, it’s not like their haki would be active in the first place as pacifistas

[waxen dust]

hmm 🤔
That’s an interesting take, a device capable of flooding the commoners meanwhile Mariejoas is way above ground level. I actually think this could make sense since it kills everyone off in one swoop, also gives a reason for Noah existing.

[naive breach]

yeah you have a point

[naive breach]

that would be cool i guess moria will team up with luffy to defeat bb

since he has a grudge against bb

[proud tree]

are the number 1, 2 and 3 drunk? or are they sober?

I only can see them eating meat, no alcohol

[modest skiff]

Yeah, I think Noah was a hint that there is a need to be able to float on something. Fishmen needing a boat clearly doesn't make sense in any other way. They could just kinda swim up and they're good.

[waxen dust]

pretty sure they’re drunk because it was mentioned the Numbers are known for being rowdy drinkers. So most likely

[burnt lynx]

I believe drunk or at least it seems

[modest skiff]

Also I think this wasn't intended as a doomsday device. I think its just that the AK had a wide range of technological capabilities (such as solving Alabasta's weather issues) and it freaked people out. I think Imu was able to convince Alabasta and others that the AK was actually dangerous and framed the AK for (insert some royal person's assassination here) in order to gain support for a revolution.

[waxen dust]

I definitely think there has been major manipulation occurrences around Void Century era to where technological advances are being interpreted as misunderstood and then spun narratively as handled by evil people.

Could be that a flooding device was later inputted as a counter to any uprising because it does make most sense to have a weapon capable of taking down everyone without breaking a sweat. It saves alot more time and energy as opposed to an all out war. Maybe Uranus is the “doomsday” weapon, or....its the counter to such a diabolical weapon. There’s definitely some ideas to made about flooding everything, all the while a counter measure for said flooding.

[modest skiff]

Do we know who made Noah? My assumption has been that, based on Tom, a fleet of fishmen made Noah in hopes of saving the world from a flood

[waxen dust]

We don’t necessarily know, but from my understanding Joyboy has a big influence on it existing. So it could be people from the AK that actually made and entrusted it to FMI to look over since it being underwater keeps it more isolated than above surface

[wary fossil]

the people of FMI made it when joyboy was around

[proud tree]

from adam Wood? It seems to last very long

[wary fossil]

oh I guess they don't say that it was made during joyboy's time

[fair sorrel]

No ffs bro

She's not defeated xD

[real swan]

If there's one thing I appreciate about how Oda's writing the yonkos it's how much they are living up to their hype.

[bitter kraken]

I wonder if apoo really thinks drake would team up with him since he already deduced that drake is a Marine lol

[shut finch]

i feel like weevil is gonna be unnecessarily important in one of the next arcs

[ripe geyser]

What if Big Mom defeats herself by using up the remains of Mother Carmel’s soul to create homies during Kid + Law fight?

[bitter kraken]

How do you mean the remains of carmels soul?

[ripe geyser]

The soul of Mother Carmel within BM as the result of BM eating her

For all we know the soul soul fruit can fully transfer the user’s soul to someone and Mother Carmel did it to BM at the last second knowing she was gonna die

BM’s DF is one of the most interesting abilities we’ve seen so far and we don’t know everything about it yet

I strongly believe DF abilities are linked to the soul and not the body, and BB is strong evidence. He was called “them” in Jaya, and next thing we know he holds 2 abilities in MF with one body. Then BM eats mother Carmel and gains her DF ability (or Mother Carmel gave Linlin her soul right before getting eaten)… but it feels like Linlin gained some of mother Carmel’s menacing traits, no? Linlin was completely innocent and no way in hell was she gonna become a menacing pirate with that innocence. To me, Big Mom isn’t Charlotte Linlin. Big Mom is a crazy, frightening pirate who is Charlotte Linlin + soul remains of mother Carmel in one body. We got to see Charlotte Linlin temporarily when Otama neutralized Big Mom. Was she completely innocent and void of bad intentions? Yes. Ik Otama’s control was part of it. But a little girl being able to change the disposition of a YONKO by that much is insane. Assuming Kaido is around BM’s power level, I DOUBT Otama’s dango could neutralize him. Assuming Kid and Law cause huge trouble for BM, she’s probably gonna have to create more homies. It sounds completely ridiculous and unlikely, but what if BM uses up the remains of mother Carmel’s soul during the fight without realizing it and becomes the innocent Charlotte Linlin. Again, I do NOT think this is likely at all but it’s just an interesting thought I wanted to share

[bitter kraken]

Well Bm was also a kid when caramel was around, and she was ditched there by her parents because she wasn’t super innocent. and my take on it is that you can get someone’s DF by eaten an organ of the previous user, I think BB ate part of WB and well we know BM ate that witch lol WB had a big hole punched in him by akainu, BB Reached in there grabed an organ and ate it, atelast that’s what I think

[sand sail]

That'd be an interesting thing, there's no part of Big Mom that really lends itself to that though

However, the Soru Soru can't place souls into human things, only objects and animals

[sacred hawk]

You know how every arc, we get a time bomb type situation that threatens the entire island in order to up the stakes?

What if, during the final arc, we get something similar, but it threatens the entire world?

[modest skiff]

My assumption has been that either,

1. Imu attempts to flood the entire planet such that only Marie Jois survives

2. BB attempts to eat the sun to freeze the planet

[sacred hawk]

Because I feel like the entire myth arc story of One Piece might end up being a larger scale version of the individual arcs we've seen>

[sacred hawk]

You wanna know a crazy prediction I have about the final battle? I always thought it was going to be a situation where nearly every single faction has band together against whatever this final threat might be

To the point where even the Marines end up having to co-operate with the Straw Hats.

Because, for some reason, I feel like the final antagonists being solely the Marines or the Blackbeard Pirates wouldn't be sufficient by itself at this point. After we get done beating both Kaido and Big Mom, just one single Admiral/Yonko won't cut it as a final boss.

[weak arrow]

I mean it’d be like the whole navy, which can be like 3-4 admiral level people, plus CP0, plus the gorosei plus Imu

[sacred hawk]

Sure, but it would feel like just a rehash of Marineford if it was just them. Plus, I feel like defeating the Marines specifically is an esoteric happy ending, since the majority of them just want to protect people from pirates, despite how they go about it.

I think it'll be something like the Marines do initially clash with Luffy's alliance, but end up having to join forces due to some new threat or revelation about the WG.

[mint prairie]

@hollow viper Here you go: #manga-theories message

[modest skiff]

I will read this tomorrow. I’ve enjoyed the stuff you’ve posted previously

[hollow viper]

Interesting read, esp the bits relating to Hindu mythology. I wasn't aware Shiva and Parvati got trampled by a King, nor was I aware of 5 kings

[mint prairie]

Wikipedia has a good depiction of that: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f4/Gozanze_Myo_o.jpg

Keep in mind these entities belong to the esoteric Buddhism and are part of a cosmogony from a time Buddhism seeked to spread throughout Asia, so they often devised twists and turns on popular Hindu tales, often portraying the Asuras and other enemies of the Hindu gods as the rightful ones, while the gods were depicted as deities that one needs to overcome to achieve enlightenment. Plenty of these tales are rather obscure because Buddhism moved on from them, but they belong to a period in which the idea of wrathful enemies of the gods being manifestations of the Buddhas was a common thing.

[hollow viper]

I looked more into this, and it seems like this particular deity was heavily inspired from Shiva's astral form, and was depicted in such a way to generate shock value (and finally acceptance) among a predominantly hindu dominated region. I've never really looked into the tie ins between Buddhism and Hinduism, but there seems to be some controversial takes there

Yes, exactly

But we aren't really concerned about that here, the tie ins with Luffy are what your theory is about

Which makes sense in this context

[mint prairie]

Oh, while looking some more on it, I found JoyGirl made a video on it a whooping year ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgrnA8sDXWY

She has a different take on it, mind you. I am merely pointing out the similarities in order to try and figure out what is Oda planning with Luffy's Gears, as Gear Fourth in particular looks closer and closer to a deity, as Hyougorou once described. JoyGirl has a perspective of her own on the relationship between the Five Wisdom Kings and the now-Five Emperors of the Sea. @hollow viper

[hollow viper]

I'll give it a watch Mythos references are among my favourite bits in a story, and OP is full of them

[modest skiff]

Sometimes I wonder how Oda found the time to consume so much history and mythology. It’s like he knows all of it

[mint prairie]

Given he seems to come up with a lot of stuff on the fly, I like to think he just keeps reading on anything and everything and says "hey, I like this one, let me use it next week" and slowly builds up his references.

It also helps that his artstyle and is actually quite light, compared to the works of Miura and Inoue, so I guess he has to spend less time honing the artwork and he also doesn't have to spend as much time as the former two in properly studying the right references, as One Piece is a mish-mash of cultural and artistic influences.

[hollow viper]

I am sure he is very well versed in JP history and mythology, but outside of that, I don't think he needs to dive deep into other mythos or pantheons to draw inspiration. Unless you are writing a series heavily based on/adapting a particular mythology, you don't need intimate knowledge of it

[proud tree]

Something I discovered today: "Zorro" is spanish for Fox ... And Shimotzuki ruler of Ringo had a fox as pet

[near beacon]

Just like laughtale why nobody is able to get to lodestar island. Only roger pirates made it in 800 years. Any clues on whats special about this place? My 2 cents are that the strawhats will face redhair pirates+mihawk here before fighting blackbeard on laughtale maybe

[rain swift]

do you agree if the next island is elbaf?

[glad patrol]

[signal raft]

Is there any long breaks oda taken like 6months or 1 year

[weak arrow]

No a month is the longest

Also not really a question for #manga-theories

[pearl wagon]

Theory: belo betty is working with the world government.
(Only) Evidence: She didn't go to mariejois with the rest of the army commanders and sabo

[weak arrow]

Definitely disagree but that’s mostly because the revolutionaries need her devil fruit. It’s one of the most busted fruits in the series

[pearl wagon]

Yeah. i just can't think of any reason for her not to go to mariejois

[weak arrow]

I mean if she didn’t go, I doubt it was because of a decision she made, but dragon made

[pearl wagon]

As you said, her DF is really good especially for helping others, this operation is literally breaking into the most secure place on earth, i don't know why dragon wouldn't send her.

[weak arrow]

Keeping a small number of people in a recon mission is more optimal

[modest skiff]

Belo Betty is a senior member and her power is by far the most useful in spurring revolution and empowering the weak. How in the world does it make sense to send her to marie jois?

[weak arrow]

Why not send ivankov and inazuma too for example

And yeah it’s probably to keep belo betty safe since her fruit is so important

[sand sail]

That's exactly why he wouldn't

You can also ask why he didn't send Ivankov, or didn't go himself

Sending your best people to break into a place to send a message is one thing, Betty was not a benefit in that operation

[weak arrow]

Tbh they did sort of hint dragon may have made some sort of move at marejois

[sand sail]

Did they? We only see him around Kammabakka the entire time it happens don't we?

I figured the move was him sending them lol

[weak arrow]

It’s heavily hinted that dragon’s fruit is wind related and as Stella and Sabo go up in the elevator, they comment on a very strong wind

[modest skiff]

The move is Dragon initiating the thing to begin with. Sabo and Dragon would never in a million years both go at the same time unless it was an end game scenario. This was about declaring war and sending a message.

[weak arrow]

I'm of the opinion Dragon did something unrelated and succeeded in his mission while the others had the mission to retrieve kuma

the left is just before the right, which shows Koala and Belo Betty are at the island but no Dragon seen

[sand sail]

I don't know about the wind swaying being a sign of dragon tho, that's just kind of something you'd expect going up there

Kinda justified more with only Stelly being worried about it, it seemed normal to everyone else

I thought they'd mentioned something directly, but we'd have to have some confirmation of actual wind powers to pin that to Dragon lol

[modest skiff]

Wind is to be expected when you are climbing a mountain

[sand sail]

But also yeh, they didn't actually need someone like Betty for this operation. Sabo is one thing, he's a normal looking guy and can blend in under costume, along with being a good leader

Dragon obviously couldn't go, and the others were there with their powers/gadgets helping

But the fact that Betty was sitting and not going under complete approval of everyone else points to this being not that solid of a hypothesis, lol

[wary fossil]

Nobody makes it to lodestar because the grand line is dangerous af, especially in the new world. Even multiple worst generation pirates got absorbed by a yonko

[near osprey]

After thinking about it LaughTale won't be the final arc imo

Reason being is LaughTale seems like it'd be like an info dump arc as that's what Roger got when they arrived.

Final Arc will definitely be a war with Luffy leading as the Pirate King and every friend or ally he has made along the way vs the WG

[amber oar]

I have the feeling that reaching Laugh Tale will lead to a long, long flashback covering the void century events

[near osprey]

It will

We'll find out a ton of shit like who Imu is and who JoyBoy is and so on

I imagine Luffy will also obtain all the Ancient Weapons, Vivi is going to arrive with the Alabasta Army and Pluton and obviously Shirahoshi will be present along with Fishman Island on Noah now the question is, is Uranus on Wano? If so I think that kinda cements my theory

But the final arc will definitely be the conflict with the WG I flirted with idea of BM and Kaido joining an Alliance with BB but I also am backpedaling on that and think they'll ally with Luffy for the final war as well.

I think Luffy becoming Pirate King literally means he will lead all of the Pirates against the WG

Kidd and Law will stand right behind him and the Yonko Ships will be behind them along with everyone else.

Plus Shirahoshi, Vivi, Rebecca, Momonosuke, Drum Kingdom and so on will be there any country Luffy has saved will side with him essentially

Now will Blackbeard ally with Luffy?? Unsure on that but I can see Kaido doing it along with Big Mom after losing in Wano, Kaido wants a giant war and if Luffy leads it he'll still be satisfied.

And Big Mom ultimately wants a country where every race lives together and Luffy can make that possible easily

Luffy won't be just PK in name but actually be the living incarnation of it. As Roger had it as more of a title than actually ruling the Pirates

I think the whole line with Mihawk saying Luffy has the ability to make allies of past enemies actually has a lot more weight than we give it.

[wary fossil]

Luffy actually ruling the pirates goes against his whole dream. He wants to be free

[near osprey]

He'll lead them against the WG

[wary fossil]

even in the raid he doesn't rule

[near osprey]

But I imagine that's the extent of it. After that Luffy will retire or die

He'll be a living incarnation of the Pirate King as he'll be the only with the achievement of leading all Pirates even if it's for a single war that's still enough for him to go down as a Legend.

But once we reach the end the WG will be overthrown and Luffy will lead the charge

Most likely someone like Dragon will take over after and start rebuilding policies and so on assuming Dragon has good intentions

But Imu, the Gorosei and the Celestials will no longer exist in a place of power.

But I'm off break now so if anyone wants to discuss this further I'll be on later.

[kind gate]

Gear red
Gear red is Luffy's new form in which his entire move-set or some greater percentage of it is synonymous to the red rock and red hawk attacks, could be a new Gear 4 form or even Gear 5, **Gear Red as a name is only a place holder. **
Ace destroyed the dragon statue with fire, thus Luffy might inherit ace's will in this manner. Ace's promise to Yamato and Tama will also be honored by Luffy, and it makes sense for him to take another form related to ace's will (discussing the inception of red hawk).
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/833491211749687306/905865100274053120/Screen_Shot_2021-11-02_at_12.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/833491211749687306/905866085356675072/soEmSEE.png

Dawn, the sun, and fire are all connected in some way.
Ace and Sabo are also fire users, thus Luffy might round out the three in that capacity.
Hyogoro sees a connection between Luffy and the fabled Fudo Myoo->'Wisdom King' guardian god who employs fire.
In a narrative sense, Red Roc had a tremendous influence on Kaido since it prompted him to see Luffy in a new light, even picturing his ceiling and potential being as high as some of the story's greatest pirates. Furthermore, Kaido has clearly dodged just one hit, which was red hawk, for reasons we don't know yet.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/833491211749687306/905869961094897714/Screen_Shot_2021-11-04_at_1.15.26_PM.jpg

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/833491211749687306/905875146571653160/Screen_Shot_2021-11-04_at_1.43.09_PM.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/833491211749687306/905878432494256198/Screen_Shot_2021-11-04_at_1.41.22_PM.jpg

**Highlighted in red **in the panels above is "Wisdom king," the same deity Hyo described as resembling Luffy's g4 form. That term was engraved on the tori gate before Onigashima, as well as three flags in the Onigashima spread; he also employs it in his Ragnaraku attack "conqueror of the three realms." The theme of guardian deities has been quite prevalent in Wano thus far, and I believe Oda is providing us these subtle hints and indications for what will be an essential power up in the most significant fight yet.

[dusk sand]

[versed hamlet]

Maybe like how conquerors/cocting is luffys manifestion of his fiery spirit and that also being something kaido is extremely susceptible to just symbolically shows how kaido is weak to both a strong fiery will which was manifested in luffys adv coc and his literal fire, this probably has some symbolic significance but im not sure @kind gate

[waxen dust]

see when you say Gear Red, I’m always thinking of the red aura Toei gave Luffy during the Kaido fight.
But your actual explanation makes sense given Wano’s thematics have been revolving around Ace & “Gods”. So it’s an interesting conclusion especially given you caught on to repetitive use of the “Vajrayana” motif in context and on actual buildings in Onigashima.

[next belfry]

Saw this on twitter what do i guys think ab this?

[sturdy hound]

@next belfry don't reference other series details outside #other-series. read the rules please

[gloomy canyon]

Yo @mint prairie if you're around. Would you like me to pin #manga-theories message this theory of yours in our theory list? And if so, can you tell me the name you'd like me to title it as in the pins. 👍

[simple bear]

Dragon theory:
it proposes that dragon isnt actually garps biological son,but his son in law,who married his supposed daughter.dragon is rocks d xebecs son.
he bears a striking resemblance to rocks too,but nothing in common with garp ,even personality wise,unlike luffy who both looks and acts like garp.
fun fact:garp hasnt ever referred to dragon as hi son,its always by name,or calling him "your father" to luffy.
Dragon is Rox D. Xebecs child,and garp took him in after god valley,because it would be dangerous for him coz the WG put lots of effort into erasing rocks' existence from history,they completely wiped an island off the map. like how he would then go on to do with acehe got dragon do discard hs rocks name .,because ace was rogers son and the WG were hunting for any potential children of his. he then gave him his surname,monkey after he married his daughter off to him.Sengoku has referred to dragon as part of garps family,but son in law could also be considered family too.another thing that is interesting is that this will add more to the luffy bllackbeard dynamic,BB has some form of inherited will from xebec,shown by him naming his ship sabre of xebec or his base island being hachinosu,where the rocks pirates were formed.Luffy being his son could tie nicely with the BB dynamic.
Another interesting thing is that the D. could symbolise the crescent moon,and that luffy has 2 D.s ;one being from Monkey and the other being from rocks.these 2 Ds come together to form a sun,which is a symbol of dawn of a new world,which is also what is in the toki prophecy. (sorry about any grammar/punctuation errors,i was kinda in a rush)

[amber oar]

vivre cards already specify that Dragon is indeed Garp's son, so...

[simple bear]

biological?

[amber oar]

yes

[kind gate]

check out gear red jugol

[simple bear]

u mind showing me the vivre card

[amber oar]

ガープの息子として誕生 = Born as Garp's son

The whole card

[simple bear]

hmmmm,oda has lied before so idk

[sand sail]

It's more impactful for Dragon to be Garp's son tho, Garp wouldn't let him go out to become the revolutionary army on good terms if he were Xebec's son

That's one big problem to have to address, Xebec was already doing what Dragon is doing now it seems, but presumably for different reasons

[simple bear]

he could have raised him like his own

[simple bear]

and that would make a good parralel,both trying to change the world,but in completely opposite ways

[amber oar]

it says "born as Garp's son"

[waxen dust]

Dragon is Garp’s son, there’s nothing more to it. If you wanna stretch some ideas then I guess you can headcanon that Garp & Xebec are somehow related or something to that extent lol

[simple bear]

maybe

[waxen dust]

But yeah Dragon is Garp’s biological son

[gloomy canyon]

Also Dragon was born in the Goa Kingdom, same as Garp, same as Luffy

So

Pretty telling

[amber oar]

believe me, I thought that possibility at some point, but vivre cards are pretty telling.
"Oda has lied" is not true, he doesn't drop deliberately false info, he leaves things open here and there. But the vivre card is pretty specific in this particular case

[gloomy canyon]

And it would have been corrected if it was incorrect or misleading

Vivre cards are canon supplementary information

[modest skiff]

My theory regarding the fact that Dragon looks kinda like Xebec: Xebec's sister is Garp's wife and Dragon's mother. She was killed in a situation that was both the fault of CDs and pirates. This led to Garp having his unwavering belief that pirates must be contained/arrested/thwarted. This also led to Xebec deciding to destroy the CDs entirely and Dragon taking a similar perspective, that ultimately the CDs are the reason Dragon's mother was killed. I think this is the reason Garp will 100% not listen to CDs and also why he is given a bit of a pass. He is not only a hero but also was clearly wronged by the CDs. I think it is a situation where both parties are at fault but Xebec/Dragon decided it was mostly the CDs.

[mint prairie]

Gear Redder.

Just kidding, maybe something like "Myou-ou and Luffy's Gear Fourth."

[kind gate]

Gear redder would’ve been based

[mint prairie]

Time to get my (Gear Redder creator) nickname.

[clear ridge]

ill say Gear Overdrive or Overheat

[stuck ore]

In norse mythology loki led the gaints against gods during ragnarok.- @stuck ore

'So maybe loki would lead all the elbaf gaints along with straw hat pirates against cds'

• @visual furnace

[visual furnace]

Spacify u thief u stole that shit so hard

[visual furnace]

give me some credit here spacify

[stuck ore]

[stuck ore]

I forgot your name, but it was my theory I didnt steal it you modified it

[visual furnace]

Hmmmm ic ic

[stuck ore]

Now?

[visual furnace]

I was just joking u actually did it

[stuck ore]

Well u did help though

[visual furnace]

Monke Together stronk

[stuck ore]

[sonic junco]

Shit I like that Gear red theory more then a new Gear 5 form @kind gate

[stuck ore]

Watch oda just whip out a completely new technique

[errant nova]

Why do I get the feeling borsalino is on the incoming navy/wg ships

[fading rock]

Have any of y'all been thinking that Kin'emon may join the SH's? After all, Luffy has already asked him to join, AND his devil fruit fits the number theory for the Straw Hats.

[pure raven]

Kinemon has a country to protect and a momonosuke to help

[pearl wagon]

I think ryokogyu is going to be on there, along with garp and another admiral probably

[errant nova]

I doubt Garp but ryokogyu is prob most likely

Is having ryo in the beginning of his name foreshadowing?

[shut finch]

Mmmm no

[patent summit]

Can the marines send 2 of their admirals to wano? Its hella costly for them

[pearl wagon]

Reason i think garp is on that ship is because big mom and kaido were defeated by him before, but then again only navy soldiers in the old generation remember the god valley incident so akainu wouldn't know

[shut finch]

I feel like they can’t rn but if they don’t they might not have much of a chance

[errant nova]

Garp’s reaction to the alliance makes me think he’s ready to leave it up to the new generation

[pearl wagon]

I mean, they're battling (probably )the strongest man alive and the strongest woman alive

[pearl wagon]

Yeah could be

[patent summit]

If they get sent, it would most likely be post wano. After they are defeated

[shut finch]

They could be betting on Kaido and BM being defeated or weakened enough where it’s not as much of a threat. That’s a bold strategy tho lol

[scenic flare]

How to read theories using Android , because everytime i click it, i getting nowhere

[patent summit]

Yeah idk, dont think the marines will show up

[weary scarab]

New chapter when?

[pearl wagon]

#manga Is the appropriate place to ask these kind of questions

[drowsy copper]

what are the theories about how the girl got hurt?

[calm dove]

Sanjiclone

[drowsy copper]

Sanjiclone?

[mint prairie]

More of a #manga and #also-manga discussion, since this is for more in depth stuff, but let me pull something for you.

I've been thinking about it. So far we've seen:

1. The last time we see him chronologically between regular Sanji curls and Germa curls is in a flashback where the top of his head is visibly obscured.
2. The geisha is completely fine before that panel.
3. The next panel shows the girl on the ground, bleeding, after being sent flying (Sanji can be seen as small silhouette on the background).
4. She seemingly gets up and looks at Sanji in fear.
5. Back at Sanji v. Queen, there is a panel split dividing the scene and the smaller cut has a damaged entrance to where Sanji/Geisha-chan were as its only focus.
6. Ever after the events in the flashback, Sanji's curls are now in the same direction as those of Germa's.

Given all of this, I strongly believe the events that took place go as follows:

• Sanji meets the geisha.
• Queen attacks either directly at Sanji, in his general direction, or as a means to smoke him out of somewhere because he hasn't pinpointed his location.
• It either hits the mark or Sanji moves out of his way to protect the Geisha.
• An explosion ensues and the girl is sent flying.
• The girl gets up and is horrified by seeing Sanji's twisted body after taking the hit.
• (No basis for this) In an Oda fashion, his left-side curl twists in the opposite direction just because that's how his body fixed itself (remember some damage can't be properly repaired or put back into place as shown with Yonji), he has a memory lapse because the attack probably landed on his head.
• Sanji is overthinking and he's not becoming a monster, but now he's got symmetrical curls that: a) are symmetrical, yay! b) represent both his Germa genes and the passionate heart he inherited from Sora and Zeff, and c) an extremely angry Sanji with no bangs will probably look incredibly demonic.

[snow herald]

I'm not sure if I like the idea yet but, Sanji may have straight up hit her but he was in a state of unconsciousness. He went blank. so it wasnt his fault?

[novel scroll]

This theory might ends up coming true

[hearty phoenix]

sanji negs zoro

[snow herald]

zoro will use the power of love and friendship

fairy tail style

[bright eagle]

It's mind boggling that Judge never tried using some of the raid suit tech to Kid Sanji. That would solved his problem.

[grave thunder]

lodestar is a star used to guide a ship ,By the name I think they need to follow a star to reach the island Idk I think it's too obvious though lol

[nimble thistle]

Astral Navigation is a real thing though.

[worthy seal]

Is there gonna be enough time for Sanji vs Zoro

Too many big shots around right now. Even the CP0

[spice fossil]

a theory about kaido and the ppl in the cave with yamato

i think it's interesting how they had her come through the cave chamber where these giant numbers are specifically

hopefully this is coherent and if anyone has better insight on the meaning of the names (i know its based around numbers) then lemme know

[grave thunder]

The thing is I didn't even see or remember celestial navigation used even once in entirety one piece

[nimble thistle]

It hasn't. xD

[vestal orbit]

agree with the general gist of it but the numbers are ancient giants, not oni

could be something like kaido being a runt or the oni (sub)race being half human and half ancient giant though ig

the discrepancy between the ages of the numbers could be attributed to queen creating the 3 cave numbers by reverse engineering whatever process created the original numbers

[mint prairie]

I don't support this idea because I don't think Oda really wanted to bring them all up later, but it would blow me away if it happened. The fact Fuuga specifically chased Yamato down fits really well with the Samurai = Top 3 Numbers idea that has been around since the last chapter.

[frozen lantern]

Guys I feel like when oda said we are gonna see a red haired man that that is one of the cp0 masked people

[nimble thistle]

Inb4 it's Shanks.

Inb4 more Shanks + WG conspiracies.

[grizzled fog]

Where’s the resemblance between the middle ones? There’s absolutely none between ushimaru and the fat number

[nimble thistle]

Eyes, nose, somewhat mouth structure, hair is styled the same way.

[grizzled fog]

Do we even see ushimaru’s eyes? Not in any panel you post, but the number has pretty generic looking eyes. And their hair is definitely not the same. Seems like a big reach

[amber oar]

ah yeah yeah, numbers 1, 2 and 3 were created somehow 160 years after number 8

[spice fossil]

well 1-10,J,K,Q are just ranks that can change since members of the tobiroppo acted like they wanted to take K,Q's positions

its not order of when they joined

[dense grail]

Yeah if we're going under the assumption that the numbers are according to creation date the idea falls apart but it's already been established that the way ranks work in Kaido's army is that ranks go according to power since Kaido does something similar in his crew as blackbeard did in impel down when getting new crew members - survival of the fittest/strongest. Not defending the theory, just mentioning this.

[ancient vault]

I dont see any either

Just weird how fuga started running after yamato for some reason

[ancient vault]

I dont think haccha was created 160 years old

We know st least a few numbers existed around the time of the oden execution

[amber oar]

I said 160 as a rough number to give a max 20 year timeframe. Haccha is 188

[ancient vault]

Oh my bad

Actually still. Then youre saying he was created 188 years ago? @amber oar

[amber oar]

Haccha? Apparently

[fallow knot]

So sanji>>ichiji+neji+yonji🤩🤩🤩

[idle meadow]

Because he can access all their powers without a raid suit?

[fallow knot]

Yes

[stiff patrol]

I’m just going to point out why was whos who impisoned and tortured for simply losing the gum gum fruit??? That wouldn’t happen over just any normal fruit

[nimble thistle]

How do we know that though? As far as anybody can reasonably speculate, the WG wants control and documentation, safe keeping of all DFs since they're too chaotic in the world to be left to random people.

[stiff patrol]

They tortured him solely for losing a devil fruit? Imprisoned and tortured the guy whohad the potential to be “nearly as powerful as rob Lucci”

Nah I don’t think so, I think that there is more about the gum gum fruit we don’t know yet

[nimble thistle]

Everybody is speculating that there is more to the Gum-Gum Fruit at this point. But the fact is, if Who's Who was that strong, and he had an entire armed escort along with him, any reasonable superior of his who entrusted him with that mission is going to punish him for failing said mission.

[pseudo mauve]

Lodestar is the final island on the 2nd half of the grand line based from the log pose. That's where Roger and co. discovered that Lodestar is not the last island, instead it is Laugh Tale

[stiff patrol]

But it was shanks who did it so it was understandable

[ripe geyser]

Neji?

This ain’t Naruto lol (Ik u meant Niji)

[ripe geyser]

I wanna see a CP0 and WW interaction I wonder what CP0 would do to him

[gray creek]

It’s that the fruit had the escort that makes it worth speculating. Because we have at least one other example of a navy transport for a fruit with the ope ope. That fruit was considered extremely valuable and had direct benefits to the CD’s, and it only had Tsuru and her troops. The gomu gomu got an equally high profile guardian, as well as being apparently more covert of a retrieval. It’s still possible every fruit gets a VA or higher to safeguard it, but I doubt it

[stark oxide]

I can see Blackbeard coming to wano. Going off of the BB brother theory about how he ate the yami (strongest logia), and absorbed his brother who ate gura (strongest paramecia), it would be obvious he would try to go after the strongest zoan too? The strongest zoan ((in my opinion)) is tori or kaido’s fish fruit. We now know that the marines are coming to Wano, and Blackbeard said in a manga chapter that he wouldnt sit around and let the marines claim the prize. I speculate that Blackbeard will:

1. Claim Wano as his territory
2. Go after Tori or Fish
   Let me know what you think about this! :D

[noble smelt]

imo i really dont think that kaido will die

but he will be in the verge of death

[stark oxide]

Fair enough, he will for sure be damaged tho

I do think for sure Blackbeard will try to claim wano as his territory

[noble smelt]

Yeah, it's possible

[stark oxide]

I think tori is less likely aswell, because he could have grabbed it at marineford

[tawdry flax]

Big mom will dip out of wano since she shouldnt be taken down there... its hajrudins goal I think that's his name to take her down

[river plaza]

Sanji's eyebrows change direction just like his siblings when he awakened his abilities.

[woeful jewel]

So Zoro Vs Sanji is confirmed after Wano?

[ripe geyser]

No

[woeful jewel]

But it doesn't make sense

[ripe geyser]

Zorotards and Sanji stans are not getting the fight they’ve fantasized for so long and they never will

[woeful jewel]

Good 😅

[ripe geyser]

Fr tho I don’t think they will fight, Oda doesn’t have time to add an inner SH conflict to this really long arc. We can already tell that based on the lore dumps and some rushed pacing, Oda is really trying to cut to the chase with this raid. Now that the WG is involved that already adds even more to this arc. With their involvement, and the HUGE LORE REVEALS we’re getting later in Wano, no way in hell Oda can squeeze in a serious conflict between 2 straw hats

Plus I do think Sanji’s emotions will persist. The attack on Queen he used was “hell memories” and I think this hints the idea that Sanji’s good memories of being on the crew won’t fade away because of how much he cares about them

[pure raven]

So what is the theory about the Gum Gum Fruit?

I read a theory, which sounded convincing: The rubber properties allow to create artificial giants (without fails, deaths, etc.)

[mint prairie]

The common one is Luffy's awakening saving Onigashima or playing an important role against the Gura-Gura no Mi.
Would you elaborate on the artificial giants? I guess Gear Third demonstrates it can be done, but I wonder if there's enough advancement in lineage factor research to give those properties in the gigantification experiments.

[pure raven]

I dont have a link anymore, but the theme of Giants is well woven into OP. Even more so since Joyboy was obviously a giant and they are considered the strongest race etc. Also we see Kaido and WG being very interested with artificial Giants

but it seems the creation of artificial Giants is very complex and has many risk

the theory assumed that GumGumNoMi is the factor/fruit, which would allow to forgoe the risks, since bones etc. could not break and the fruits allows to expand

so it would allow the WG to create an army if Giants, which would be overpowers likely

part of theory was that Shanks new about the danger and purposefully stole the GGNM

[wary fossil]

why is joyboy obviously a giant?

[modest skiff]

If you assume the large straw hat Imu has is his, then he is also large

[stray rain]

Maye Imu-sama smool

[glossy prairie]

guys

here me out. luffy will one day be able to stop time. he will use his gum gum powers so we’ll that he will stop time. and the. he’s gonna be the pirate king. rate theory 1-10

[tight ivy]

10/10

[glossy prairie]

[copper shard]

Luffy would have to obtain another fruit

Which is impossible because he would die

[tired wing]

Hey guys, had a an interesting thought today. So we know the roadponeglyphs point to a destination in the grandline by forming an X between the four of them. However, because Zou is a moving elephant (and people could move them as well) it wouldn't make as much sense to have these poneglyphs refer to the coordinates as their current location. Instead it would make much more sense for coordinates to be static locations in the world. I think many assume these coordinates to be in the grandline, however they could just as easily be across the entire one piece world. We also know nami's dream is to map out the entire world. So it's quite possible that each poneglyph refers to a place in each of the respective blues, so that the straw hats may visit them and nami charts the entire world; thus fulfilling her dream as well. Because if they didn't then nami's dream would have to be fulfilled in the epilogue or something.

[queen arrow]

i don't think anyone thinks that the coordinates in the poneglyphs is the places they are

[tired wing]

youtube comments are wild man

[queen arrow]

fair enough lmao

i think this is the first time i heard the idea of the coordinates in the road poneglyphs are in the 4 blues, which seems possible but feels unlikely to me

[tired wing]

I mean it's absolutely wild. I don't even believe in it necessarily myself. But Idk how nami's dream ends in the story unless it's like a "i guess we have one last dream left to fulfill" and then the entire crew goes on like a victory lap to all 4 blues a the end of the series

as im thinking about it more its seems very unlikely, but its a neat idea

[tired wing]

also while im indulging in my own theory for a second... if each glyph refers to a specific blue then they don't necessarily have to visit there if a person knows that blue's geography. We know east blue, law knows north blue (and he seems to be plot relevant for the true history), and kid knows south blue (which extends his character in rivalry), then all we need is west blue. Both shanks and nico robin hail from there and they both are extremely plot relevant so that could mean they all contribute knowledge that aids to the ascent to laugh tale

[ripe geyser]

Interesting thought, I’m surprised I haven’t thought of 4 RPs and 4 Blues

[waxen dust]

I do think this is a possibility with the coordinates each being in the blues, but the coordinates could very well be in the white sea as well. I could see a collaborative effort for gathering all the coordinates and finding the intersection, but this also doesn’t necessarily mean it will be creating an entire world map.

Also in regards to Nami’s dream, I’m pretty sure she would want to accomplish this dream on her own without any outside interference. An in addition even if Nami would make a world map now, the geography of the One Piece world is bound to dramatically change by the eos, so her world map would be outdated and thus need to create an entire new map.

[tired wing]

Wow I hadn't even considered the white sea to be a possibility! Great thought. I'm also the most curious to see how Oda incorporates Nami's dream into the story (which kind of spawned this whole thought process).

[waxen dust]

Nami’s dream is definitely the most important dream after Luffy’s because remember Arlong said with her navigational skills you can rule the seas. So having full access and knowledge of all the seas and islands is a major benefit versus just winging the adventure. There’s definitely end game things associated with Nami accomplishing her dream. She’s by far the most overlooked character in the crew, yet plays the most vital role.

[ripe geyser]

After all she’s gonna be the first one who makes a map of a world turned upside down

[waxen dust]

Nami the Speed Mapper

[ripe geyser]

Gonna get that world record for fastest map ever made

[lean wolf]

Am i the only one who still wants Big Mom's flashback to be redeemed somehow? Like, something still doesn't add up about her just eating up all those kids...

[waxen dust]

In Elbaf, it will all be clarified and Big Mom will become Olin and Luffy’s ally

[sinful helm]

tbh mother caramel probably sold them and ran away from it all

[lean wolf]

that doesn't explain how BM got the fruit tho

[sleek elbow]

pretty sure bm ate mother caramel

[drifting rock]

Thats confirmed

[solid badger]

She was hungry, it’s just breakfast

[sacred hawk]

You know what the best argument for Brook vs. CP0 is?

[proud tree]

Protect Robin

[sacred hawk]

Every other Straw Hat has at least had a fight with a cipher pol agent

Even Jinbe has

[proud tree]

Jimbe ... Had who is who

[sacred hawk]

Can you really call yourself a Straw Hat if you haven't beaten a cipher pol

[sacred hawk]

Who used to be CP9

[solid badger]

Current brook vs ennies lobby lucci

This is post ts and robin said the mask ones are special among them

Brook about to die again

[low swallow]

Then revive and beat Lucci

[real swan]

Brook has already done so much lately, he needs a dang break lol

[solid badger]

I agree, he doesn’t need a 1v1 he’s done plenty as support and other stuff

[dark talon]

Oh are we talking about brook getting a proper fight?

Would be awesome, but not sure how good would he do 2 v 1 right now
we need something/someone to balance it out

[gusty needle]

Assuming, Sanji didn’t really attack the girl, think someone will save the raidsuit and return it to sanji after the battle - franky will modify it afterwards

[junior cape]

Hmmm... I could see Oda doing that, if the raid suit didn't literally go up in a puff of smoke. Sanji made it go boom. As for him attacking the girl, seeing as he doesnt remember it, it could be the case that Germa augmentations create a second personality that would seize control if awakened in kids.

Which would explain why Reiju is relatively normal and The brothers are psychos.

Judge couldn't make the personality hold in adults, but could in children.

Thinking ahead, I think Killer could have the negatives of the SMILE removed if he eats a real devil fruit, or Chopper could fix him (the laughing, not the swimming)

[near osprey]

I'd imagine Chopper would fix him

Most likely forcing Caesar to help him

[waxen light]

Chopper?

[near osprey]

Yeah

[waxen light]

Oh nevermind, I thought you meant Chopper would fix the raidsuit. Speedreading messages 🥴

[near osprey]

Nahh he'd fix the negative side affects of smile

[near osprey]

Don't forget Jinbei is still pretty healthy

I'd imagine he'd regroup with Jinbei and they'd fight off CP-0

[glass mirage]

I’m waiting for Zoros eye to open.

[shut finch]

you're gonna keep waiting

[shut finch]

i was thinking like what if killer awakened his smile. like not an awakening but it turned into the normal working smile df, kinda like how sanji was defective and just awakened germa stuff. that being said it probably woulda happened against hawkins if it was gonna happen

[ashen plaza]

I actually think Smile df doesn't have an awakening.. I think awakening is only for original dfs

[shut finch]

right it wouldnt be an awakening but it'd be like he would gain whatever the devil fruit powers were supposed to be

i didnt know what other word to use

[ripe geyser]

Imagine if there was another timeskip (doesn’t have to be long, could even just be a few in-series months)

[sinful bolt]

The great kingdom is inspired by supercontinent Pangea. It used to be a large continent comprising of all the islands in One Piece world. World Government took this ancient kingdom down and broke it into hundreds of islands using the ancient weapons to take control of the world. The EoS goal for Luffy and his crew is to bring all the islands back together in one piece to form Pangea again thus bringing an end to the great era of piracy.

[ashen plaza]

Actually, I think it should be an Empire..since an Empire has many Kingdoms but..this is OP so

[ripe geyser]

I’m not sure if I exactly agree with this but what I do think is that Wano is the result of pieces of land from the AK being connected by continent towers

[median oak]

All the smile users will get healed by vegapunk or chopper

How can people not think ceaser is joining the crew.

He is a scientist, something Strawhats don't have and science is becoming more important in the Manga.

He has a very Strawhat type dream, wants to surpass vegapunk. He has already forced a relatively decent amount of interaction with 70% of the crew.

Kaidou and dragon both have scientists in their crews, that are both from MADs

Oda gone out of his way to heal the relation between chopper and ceaser. No one died at punk hazard

Despite creating a gas that kills people, it didn't kill anyone

Well monet died, but that was an accident

[ashen plaza]

Caesar doesn't fit the strawhats morality wise

[median oak]

Bro people can change my guy

Jinbei used to kill humans
Nami was a theif
Robin still kills people

Ceaser is likely based of julius Ceaser in some way.

So his backstory probably has a made betrayal or something

[heady parrot]

yeah but caesar experimented on children and was still doing so when the strawhats stopped him

[median oak]

Yeah but trust me he will make up for that

[heady parrot]

i really cannot see them ever calling him a nakama

[median oak]

Ceasers backstory will explain why he became like that

[heady parrot]

every time he did something remotely good on WCI he was quickly reminded how much everyone hated him I really doubt Oda would go out of his way to demonstrate that the strawhats still hate him just to turn around and make him a nakama.

[median oak]

And he is the only one who knows how monet died

If nami eats monets fruit on accident

[halcyon tusk]

straw hat acquaintance at best.

[median oak]

Ceaser will be the only one who will deep what actually happened

Well being real, I think the next arc for the strawhats will be the floating island

[heady parrot]

and why would they need a scientist in the group when they essentially have two cyborgs and a doctor who will one day be able to cure anything? especially with franky having learned a lot indirectly from vegapunk it just doesn’t make any sense to put caesar on the crew.

[halcyon tusk]

or accomplice depending on how u wanna look at it

[median oak]

2 cyborgs

[heady parrot]

franky (the obvious one) and now sanji with his germa augmentations

[median oak]

A scientist can do different kinds of shjt

Without ceaser chopper couldn't heal the minks

Usopp was decent at building before franky came

Frankly was a lot better

Franky is good a scientific work
Before ceaser will come

Ceaser will be alot better

A cyborg implies his body is not entirely made of flesh

And its relatively equal in ratio

Like 60:40, and Sanji is not 60:40 flesh and mechanical, its bio augmentation

[sand sail]

Caesar isn't going to be joining the crew

This probably isn't a good line of thought to continue defending

[median oak]

I mean your reasons are his too evil

[sand sail]

No, I'm just telling you I don't feel like seeing that discussion going on here. Caesar really isn't going to be joining the Strawhats as a crew member.

[median oak]

I'm using the plot structure and his character progression

[median oak]

So now you decide what we get to discuss

If you don't mind me asking who tf are you

[sand sail]

-->

Not sure if you're trying to make a joke that's going too far, but either way, Caesar joining is a bit of a baiting discussion. Go ahead and take it to #also-manga or #manga if you sincerely think it's actually a thing, this channel is for more substantive theories.

[median oak]

Shanks having a road poneglipph isn't substansive

[compact glade]

Well I don't agree with his theory but why can't he discuss it here

[median oak]

Fr bro, who tf is this guy

[compact glade]

Hes a moderator

There he goes I suppose

[sand sail]

Yeah, don't worry, just another rule breaker. Go back to actual theories

[compact glade]

Alright so, will shanks be appearing this year, cause i miss him

[shut finch]

nah oda had to just be off on his timeline unfortunately

[compact glade]

Aw

[shut finch]

or at least that's my best guess. it wouldnt be the first time

[compact glade]

Don't think I should be trusting that man

[shut finch]

i feel like we'll see shanks right after wano. or maybe if it ends up being 5 acts we'll see him doing something somewhere else between

[sand sail]

Time is running out hard for Shanks to make a move, but you guys may have to wait till 2023.

[shut finch]

at this point it def feels like 2023 lol cuz i wont buy him coming to wano

[compact glade]

Maybe small break from wano, please

[potent carbon]

I have a relatively minor theory

[sand sail]

@potent carbon And why do you think Punk Hazard and God Valley are two sides of the same coin?

[potent carbon]

OK take this as you will.
But basically the 2 numbers associated with rocks are 6 and 8

And both the volume of punk hazard was 68

And most of the arcs chapters took place in the 680s to 690s

[sand sail]

Not sure if Oda would go for this kind of correlation

[potent carbon]

But doesn't oda like to use number play

Like 580 has the kanji for god valley

[sand sail]

Sure, in like small ways, but an entire arc connecting to a whole other backstory is a bit out there

[potent carbon]

I mean its also got clear parallels like:

2 Ds joining to together to destroy a celestials factory

2 Ds joining together to protect the celestials

A marine and pirate allying to take out a antagonistic force

[sand sail]

The marine/pirate alliance with the marine being reluctant, sure. But the other two you mentioned aren't really a parallel there

[potent carbon]

But isn't 2 sides of the same coin a parallel

Bb and luffy parallel one another

[sand sail]

Yeh, Punk Hazard wasn't relevant to the Celestial Dragons

It was a world government facility

[potent carbon]

Punk hazard did have a dragon that was made for the celestials

And it also was owned by a celestial Doflamingo

At the time of the incident the factory was controlled by doffy

[sand sail]

Doflamingo didn't own it, he was just able to operate there. The World Government actually owned it, they just considered it abandoned

It was Vegapunk's former lab

[potent carbon]

Yeah he controlled it

[sand sail]

The factory was on Dressrosa, they went to Punk Hazard just for Caesar, not to destroy the facility

[potent carbon]

So essentially at the time of the incident it was his

And even again didn't 2 Ds join together to destroy a factory on dressross

[sand sail]

No, it was still the World Government's

That's why the marines go there

[potent carbon]

It was controlled by doffy

[sand sail]

Well, I suppose overarching you could say they did

At Dressrosa though, they more joined together to bring down Doflamingo directly

Everyone else handled the factory there

For Punk Hazard, the facility wasn't relevant at all, you'd probably do better trying to parallel Dressrosa in this case

[potent carbon]

And punk hazard was the first island in the new world the strawhats went to

While the roger pirates had already been to the last island a year prior to God valley

[rich mortar]

so can someone explain to me the "crocodile is luffy mom" theory which was started as a joke but then became a actual thing for some fans 😮

[potent carbon]

Yeah don't start this here Bro

[rich mortar]

wrong channel or what

[potent carbon]

Thats clearly a gag theory

[sand sail]

It started as a half serious joke based on Ivankov being able to keep Crocodile in check based on some secret from his past. People figured because Ivankov could swap a person's gender around, maybe that meant Crocodile was a woman at one point. And then that got blown up into maybe he's actually Luffy's mom through some convoluted thinking based on SBS answers

[potent carbon]

Yo what do you think about shakky being silver axe

It would kinda make sense that she was called silver axe while her husband is silver Rayleigh

[sand sail]

That's not really something that would make sense

Rayleigh's name is an actual name, Silver Axe is a title lol

[potent carbon]

I'm aware, I'm just saying that it could be a way to connect them a bit more

[sand sail]

Not really tho, 'cause that ^

[potent carbon]

Its not like oda dishes out the name silver in his story

If he has only used the name silver for Rayleigh and all of a sudden created a character called silver axe

Clearly he had Rayleigh on his mind regardless of whether he wanted their to be a connection or not

[sand sail]

That's not something you'd really say clearly for

Silver is an extremely common thing, it's not like it's a unique word

[potent carbon]

Silver isn't a common name used for people in one piece

[sand sail]

No name is common in One Piece

Unless you're pointing to a specific family, at least

[potent carbon]

There are several names that are very alike in one piece

[sand sail]

Sure, and all of the rest of them aren't

[potent carbon]

Here we go

Imma watch what I say since I know you a mod

[sand sail]

Yeah, but you know you're not allowed here, right?

[high blaze]

just a thought that came to me was the Gum-Gum being the first devil fruit in existence. Which didnt make sense as im sure there would be more powerful fruits that would have existed prior. Im also going of the theory that the fruits come from a tree of sorts. But what if the gum gum fruit was the first devil fruit as it could have come from the resin of the tree, which gave it properties of gum.

(just a thought/mini theory ig)

[wooden abyss]

Am I allowed to talk about stuff from the latest chapter in this channel.

[shut finch]

Yeah

[junior cape]

I think Big Mom is gonna keep burning through soul power until she runs out, and then she'll go down for the count.

The real problem is that Kid/Law have to survive that long for it to pay out.

As for their battle plan now, nothing is off the table. They're gonna have to get creative to force Big Mom to burn through potentially thousands of years of soul power.

Also, she started doping up on her own soul, meaning if she keeps doing that, she will eventually kill herself anyways.

This could also explain how she got so big (beyond being part-giant or something): in years past, likely when she was with Rox, she had to power up fast, so she doped up on her own soul to get stronger fast.

[wet perch]

Get BM to rip out souls. Have Kidd magnetize them and pull the souls into himself and Law. Rejuvenated.

[uneven coyote]

Straw Hat Grand Fleet at the end of the arc, im calling it right now

they about to show up and help defeat the navy that trying to take down the weaken survivor of the fight

[pearl wagon]

Theory: We all know enel will have some sort of importance later in the story, but the question is what will this event be? I think enel is going to go majoras mask stlye and try to crash the moon onto the earth. Another possibility is uranus is a spaceship and straw hats go on it to the moon, but that seems filler, and they can't leave a cliffhanger for a whole saga and continue it in a filler 15 years later. I think enel will colonize the moon, and become much stronger, then luffy will actually have a fight. The moon crashing is too inspired, so here's my final thought. The straw hats find uranus in elbaf, and they accidentally go to the moon or something.

[pearl wagon]

Yeah i think so too.

[lapis plume]

The strawhats will go to the moon an arc before elbath

[pure raven]

is this channel still moderated? Or do I have to keep reading baseless bullshit like ^

[uneven coyote]

Princess shirahoshi will end up dismantling the calm belt and that will make the all blue, that once existed in the world of one piece

[lapis plume]

The strawhats going to the moon isn't baseless

The moon contains ancient history.
Enel is on the moon.
There are routes and ships that can literally go to the moon from the sky islands

There is literal astronomers in one piece on sky islands

[uneven coyote]

i agree, but i dont think they will go to the moon

that would add another 5 years to the series

[lapis plume]

Huh

Bro a moon arc could be like 30-40 chapters max

[uneven coyote]

helll no xD

[lapis plume]

Huh

30 chapter is not even a year

[uneven coyote]

not 30 chapters

[lapis plume]

Huh

Bro tf are you snorting, I said 30 chapters takes one year

And you hear talking about 5 years or 30 years

[uneven coyote]

remember the build up and fights and stories oda like to write well my dude

[lapis plume]

Bro there's not gonna be any fights

[uneven coyote]

no moon arc.

[lapis plume]

Bro how many chapters was zou

[uneven coyote]

23 chapters

[lapis plume]

Yeah and the moon can be 30 simple

Elbath can be 60

[uneven coyote]

i dont think u understand the build up needed for that

[lapis plume]

There's no build up needed for that

[uneven coyote]

da fuq u smoking xD im done with this, good night

[lapis plume]

How tf is a moon arc a stretch

When tf have we ever just gone to an island without a detour

You idiots really think at the end of wano

The strawhats gonna pack their shit and go elbath straight

The same shit that happened to capote will happen to them, they will get lifted up by that floating island

[sharp mountain]

I think Elbaf will be about 40ish

[stuck ore]

Because in a world where airplanes dont exist you think fricking space shuttle exists?

Unless one of the ancient weapons is space ship there aint any moon arc

And Wtf is that logic?

Dont you hate it when you take a detour on the way to school and end up on jupiter?

[hexed gorge]

After ace no major death has happened so i think sanji will die

[stuck ore]

There are a lot of candidates for death tbh and sanji seems a stretch

[real basin]

Law is a spy marine, obviously spying on straw hat

[stuck ore]

That question was answerd way back in dressrosa

[real basin]

Well you know.. 👀

[mental root]

ya really think Oda will kill one of the main characters ?

[hexed gorge]

yes

[lapis plume]

Bro I wanna clown you so bad since this shit is so wrong

But mods here are softies

[mental root]

you seem confident so fair enough. but in a story where the main story is about a guy and his friends going on a journey to fulfill their dreams, it's hard to see one of his friends will die before achieving his dream.

[silk ocean]

What do you guys think about IMU sama?

[hexed gorge]

yeah but you really cant compare oda to other mangakas, oda's a mad man

[stuck ore]

Hmm seems like someone has run out of actual arguement

[hexed gorge]

but its just my belief sanji's prolly not gonna die but one of the things that makes one piece a banger is the fact that you can speculate the craziest things and it might come true

[mental root]

totally agree with you in that sense, he has done crazy things all the time but he seems to draw his line when it comes to killing off the Straw Hats

[hexed gorge]

wait, i take it back..... about the fact that sanji dies, i just realised, yamato is 100% sure to join the straw hats, so i dont think they would take in a member if one of the most important member dies, it would be an emotional roller coaster for luffy so he 100% wouldnt take in yamato if sanji were to die, so i dont think he would die........YET

[mental root]

[halcyon tusk]

why do the CP0 agents in that one panel seem like they low key have super hacks activated? :/ it’s unsettling…to see no visible effort into doing anything and yet mfs are goin flyin

[stuck ore]

Thats what the image they are trying to make of silent killers

[lapis plume]

Not really

The mods here just soft af

So imma watch what I say so they don't get on my case

[stuck ore]

Well thats true

Well guess we will have to just see if they actually go to moon

[lapis plume]

Fair

[peak grail]

You can have a transportation DF

[proud tree]

Enel had an electric airplane ... And he flew it to the moon... Remember Skypia?

[split glacier]

Usopp is the only one to have credentials to die story wise. Everyone will most likely be alive at the end minus Luffy

[rugged reef]

I could see jinbe, brook and sanji dying but tbh I don’t think Oda will kill off a strawhat

[halcyon tusk]

brook is already dead and will actually be the last one standing provided that franky isn’t immortal due to still being part human and therefore susceptible to old age

[sinful helm]

Lmao you really think anyone of strawhats must die? If any dies it will crush Choper and his dream

[crude turtle]

honestly, it'd be worse for Luffy. Ace was one thing, he was doing his own thing. The Strawhats are directly under Luffy, if any of them dies, it'd be the largest failure Luffy could have, even worse then someone else getting the One Piece, so I don't see it happening

[naive forge]

we should just kill all of the straw hats except chopper

that way we can have a super grim dark 500 chapters where chopper becomes a supervillain and rules the world

[sinful helm]

What if Brooks awaken fruit is ability too resurect one person

[crude turtle]

if this is true, this also includes Luffy, so what I said still holds up

"by the end" means before it's over, anything shown will be "by the end", even if it's the last panel

there could also be an epilogue after he dies

[sinful helm]

Well whta if the last chapter is ye 20 years in future

Or 50

[crude turtle]

I think that would be smart, show what happened to the world after whatever the end of the story is

I think having Brook or Usopp being the main character of that would be best

[ripe geyser]

Mega doubt

I do think the last chapter will be the longest one by far though

[sinful helm]

I see strawhats kids being marines kings pirates etc

[ripe geyser]

Someone confirm this for me: did Oda say that surprising things will be revealed about Kaido, BM and Luffy in Wano?

[sinful helm]

Oda said a lot

[ripe geyser]

But did he say what I said above

[crude turtle]

my point is that that quote doesn't disprove what I said about none of the other Strawhats dying

but that includes Luffy, so it doesn't prove me wrong

how are you missing the point so much

I'm saying that the quote includes Luffy, so it isn't proof against what I said about how none of the other Strawhats are going to die, since it could be Luffy

it doesn't say it'll be Luffy, but it leaves it open to be Luffy

I meant the other Strawhats aside from Luffy. If Luffy is the one to die, my theory held up

my reasoning is that it would be his biggest failure as a captain, that doesn't apply if he's the one to die

[sinful helm]

One of the strawhats or one of the straw hat bearer's?

[crude turtle]

so do you agree that the quote doesn't prove me wrong?

but he already got that with Ace

[sinful helm]

Ace is enough trauma

[crude turtle]

the entire reason the TS happened was because of what you're saying should happen again

he doesn't need to learn the same lesson twice

you're the one arguing it's most likely not going to be Luffy, which is your theory

Oda never said a non-Luffy strawhat will die, that's you saying it

he wont, it would be after

[ripe geyser]

“A straw hat will die” doesn’t directly imply one of Luffy’s crewmates will die

[crude turtle]

the strawhat is gonna burn up, calling it now

and I don't think that second one would happen, Luffy doesn't need to learn the same lesson twice

[ripe geyser]

I don’t think this argument is getting anywhere…

[crude turtle]

also, what do you define as EOS?

yeah, I know that, but if you mean after the final panel, Luffy isn't dying after EOS

[shell surge]

Would luffy still learn that lesson twice if sanji turned just like his brothers? Sure it would impact him but sanji wants to die if that happened, so it wouldn't be exactly just Like Ace

[crude turtle]

to Luffy, he'd feel the same way. If he was stronger, Sanji might not have needed to push himself that far to transform into a Germa soldier

whether or not it's his fault, he'll take it as his fault, the same way he did for Ace

[sinful helm]

I mean a strawhat did die

Going Merry

[crude turtle]

this quote was from 2017

I don't even know if the quote is real tbh

they meant their first ship

[shell surge]

Makes sense

[crude turtle]

but since the quote you brought up was after that, it's pointless anyways

[ripe geyser]

Can I see the word-for-word statement Oda

[crude turtle]

I'd love to see that too

[ripe geyser]

I will believe this argument is 100% pointless if I dont see evidence

[shell surge]

I don't see jimbei dying tbh, if one that isn't luffy is going to die, it would be one of the original 4 imo

[crude turtle]

IF one of them would die, it'd be Usopp or Sanji

I don't see Nami, and I especially don't see Zoro

[shell surge]

Doubt usopp will die before reaching elbaf at least, which prob is the next arc

[sinful helm]

See

https://tenor.com/view/captain-holt-brooklyn-nine-nine-brooklyn99-captain-raymond-holt-andre-braugher-gif-13945912

[crude turtle]

yeah, Usopp dying is an established theory. His goal is to be a brave warrior of the sea, so people think he'll die proving that he is

[sinful helm]

He won't die Kaya or whats her name is waiting for him

[crude turtle]

no, if a Strawhat where to die, it'd probably be in the climax

[shell surge]

It's kaya

[sinful helm]

He won't repeat to her what his father did

[shell surge]

Imagine zoro dies in the fight against mihawk lmao

[crude turtle]

especially since Usopp has a parallel in the BB pirates with the sniper, I don't see him dying before that matchup

[shell surge]

I know he won't, it would just be frustrating to see all of Zoro's journey ending right there, without accomplishing his objective

[crude turtle]

I do think Usopp is the biggest candidate to die, since he's the only one with a goal where he decides when he reaches it, so it could happen right at his death

[stuck ore]

That was build by the old man's people they will have to go back to skypiea to get it and skypiea aint anywhere close currently

[shell surge]

How is nami's wish gonna complete itself though? Wouldn't she have to travel the grand line multiple times in order to complete it?

[crude turtle]

she wants to map the world, I could see her still pursuing her dream after the events of the story end

her's is the only one that can't really be resolved by reaching the end of the Grand Line

[shell surge]

I mean chopper's too

[crude turtle]

but Chopper's can happen anytime

[shell surge]

Oh yes, you're right

[crude turtle]

Nami hasn't been to North/West/South Blue, it can't happen until they get there

Nami is the only character who's dream can't be achieved at the end of the Grand Line, and can't just happen anywhere

[stuck ore]

Unless someone has already made one and is just missing the location of skypiea and raftel

[shell surge]

I may be wrong, but Isnt the grand line divided in multiple lines?

[crude turtle]

but her goal is to draw the map, not to find a map of the world

[reef sequoia]

And there are other paths to sabaody from the Reversal Mountain which they haven't explored yet

[crude turtle]

just the two halves

[stuck ore]

Well yes she will draw her own version with skypiea and raftel

[crude turtle]

but how will she know it's accurate if she doesn't do it herself?

[stuck ore]

Otherwise its impossible to map the whole world by one person

[crude turtle]

she wont accept someone else's drawing

[stuck ore]

It can be multiple maps

Drawn by multiple people

[shell surge]

What I meant was those paths that lead to sabaody, which I believe also exist in New world

[crude turtle]

oh, yeah those exist. She has so much more of the world to map out still

[tawdry bramble]

Nami’s dream will happen in the epilogue as Luffy and his crew sail the world they’ve built together.

[crude turtle]

Nami will want to draw everything herself, using her own navigation skills, she wouldn't just accept the maps of other people

[shell surge]

Has it been confirmed that luffy will die just like Roger or is it just a theory?

[crude turtle]

just a theory

no death is confirmed or debunked

[shell surge]

Hm, I feel like luffy would keep sailing through the grand line until nami fulfills her dream

[crude turtle]

if Luffy survives, they'll keep going on adventures

the only reason they'd stop is if he died, most of them would settle down if that happened

Sanji especially, I could see him opening up a shop in the All Blue

[untold yacht]

maybe brook dies, he awakens his powers and he can revive someone but he himself has to give his life. So maybe he revives luffy.

[fast rover]

what if zo catches onigashima like the sea kings caught the noah

[sinful helm]

I still think momo is the same as weakanoshi a weapon

[wintry lake]

Man

Big mom’s gonna die from aging, I can see it clearly

[visual furnace]

The world map won't work without teh redline going down

I bet the last ancient weapons destroys the redline

And then the doffy theory abt the celestial dragon getting dragged down will also come true

[proud tree]

It was built by the old man's people because Enel forced them to. Enel used the gold from golden city shandora he discovered (no one discovered the city before him for 400 years) and he collected all the wind dials from Birka for the emergency break system. Also he was able to repair it, after Sanji damaged it. And the plain is on the moon now, BCS Enel is in the moon.

So it's not at Skypia

[stuck ore]

Okay but how tf are they gonna breathe in space?

They need special suits

[proud tree]

Enel was able to breathe in space in the cover story

[stuck ore]

Enel is not a human he can literally fly

[sand sail]

Enel is as human as Smoker

who can also fly

and also needs oxygen

[proud tree]

you mean you can breathe in space with a Logia in space?

[sand sail]

People can just breathe in space lol

[stuck ore]

Dosent smoker use a df to fly?

[sand sail]

Yes, just like Enel

[stuck ore]

Bruh

[sand sail]

Dude, if Enel can breathe in space and he's a normal person with a logia while Smoker can be suffocated, then there's just air up in space

[stuck ore]

Intresting

[proud tree]

so you also think its just a Logia thing? or can anyone breathe there?

[sand sail]

It probably isn't a logia thing if logias can suffocate, so odds are you can just breathe up there

[stuck ore]

Enel's logia aint producing oxygen for sure

[proud tree]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d85OX6yEwE0 .. if he has water on moon? or does it on his body?

[stuck ore]

Enel for sure wasn't carrying a glass flank that was connected to his nose

You need a proper set up to do this experiment

[severe edge]

Enel can't turn into electricity can he or maybe I just don't remember skypiea at all

[stuck ore]

Still mot convicer enel is a human with his long ears and a huge metal ring just penetrating his body

[proud tree]

he is not human. it was said he is from Birka

[severe edge]

Sorry if I am having a smooth brain moment with this lol

[proud tree]

another sky island ... but maybe humans live on Birka?

[stuck ore]

I think he can

https://tenor.com/view/enel-gif-19175639

Idk id he is full electricity but he can create a body of electricity at least

[severe edge]

No like an electric wave or some shit

[stuck ore]

Prolly not then

Man enel was such a mysterious anatagonist

He appeared out of nowhere and disappeared to moon

[proud tree]

hope we will see something what is left from Birka. Enel said he killed everyone on Birka (only his followers are left). But he also said he killed all of the old Skypian Kamis followers ... they all survived, so Enel cant really kill...

[stuck ore]

Not his fault he is just in op world

[proud tree]

only Akainu and BB can kill

[stuck ore]

[proud tree]

but he should be able to use Mantra to tell wether or not a person is alive

[stuck ore]

Well they aren't serving any relevance to the story so he must have spared them

[proud tree]

that was also my theory. Robin got a lighning bolt through her head ... and still alive. Maybe Enel cant kill, bcs he spared them intentionally.

[stuck ore]

Man I really hope to see him again

[proud tree]

Crocodile also killed no one?

[stuck ore]

He prolly killed ppl by famine he bought but not anyone on screen

[proud tree]

Even Pell survived. Imo this is, so Crocodile could come back as Luffys ally.

[stuck ore]

Pel had some sick asf plot armour

[proud tree]

If he killed anyone on screen and Luffy saw it, he would never accept crocodile at impel down.

[stuck ore]

Yeah

[proud tree]

I think same is the case with Enel. He killed 0 people on screen (only offscreen on Birka).

[wary fossil]

nami watches enel kill somebody when they first get there

[light pike]

Hi
I have a theory, it's between Brooks, Roger and Luffy

I think Brooks awaken devil fruit power will allow him to talk to the dead, and he will ask Roger to train Luffy to face either Blackbeard or Rocks. And awaken his Fruit abilities further.
What u guys think ?

[gray creek]

This feels out of character for Luffy and Roger

[pure raven]

I think Brook already awakened his DF by turning into a ghost and controlling the soul of inferior opponents

[vestal orbit]

yeah brook's not gonna get roger to train luffy lol

[split glacier]

I think it's a bad theory. Oda won't back track and make the dead alive again. Once a character is dead, they are dead permanently to him. It's the reason characters don't die much.

[proud tree]

but we never saw a corpse

and the random dude was evil and wanted to take advantage of Nami

Unrelated: Can someone explain why Blackbeard invaded drum Kingdom (the island Chopper comes from)

Just to chase the king Wapol away?

And why was BB at Jaya? Just to catch Luffy?

[grizzled fog]

He met up with his crew in jaya iirc

[wary fossil]

Still killed a guy "on screen". Just like how there are deaths in Alabasta. Deaths in Wano. Yes, Oda tends to keep interesting characters alive, but it's not like everybody survives all the time

BB most likely there to steal some of the isshi 100 or interrogate kureha about history

[proud tree]

did the Alabasta guards die from poison that made them stronger?

[stiff patrol]

Well we know the WG has sabo and vivi, this shows that once wano is over luffy gon head over to rescue them, and vivi won’t have anywhere to go afterwards as she will be wanted by the WG and so she joins the straw hats formally

[proud tree]

yeah there where deaths in Alabasts: The Tsumegeri guards who drunk the hero water

[wary fossil]

I don't remember what you're talking about but if you're trying to prove that nobody died in alabasta are you really questioning a ton of humans clashing and not dying

[proud tree]

the hero water. The guards drunk Hero water to get strong in Alabasta. But it was useless since Crocodile is a logia

So they died bcs of Hero water .. very similar to the strength pills in the tomate Box on fishmen island.

from the OP Wiki: https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Hero_Water

this guy died and its canon btw

[wary fossil]

if that's your theory then why not join the RA?

[stiff patrol]

The what?

[wary fossil]

revolutionary army

[near osprey]

What if Brook is the narrator

[waxen dust]

imagine you dedicate your whole life to being a top warrior of Alabasta and end up sacrificing your life as a fodder

[junior cape]

Lmao

[tacit dirge]

I need someone who is am EXPERT to answer this

Do we know if greembull is a swordsman?

[near osprey]

Nah he isn't Fujitora and Kizaru to an extent already are

Can't imagine we'd get another sword wielding Admiral as we already have two

[tacit dirge]

I think he might be zolo's dad

[real swan]

Please no

[pure raven]

No gol d roger is monkey d dragon and luffy's father

[tacit dirge]

There are plausible theories

Like when zolo's father was in the cave with yamato and they said samurais dont get hungry. And now how green bull has the ability to be able to live without eating

Coincidence? Perhaps. But interesting

Actually no sorry its not confirmed he was zolos father

[pure raven]

This is Oda foreshadowing that Luffy will face Shanks 3 fingers up for the Yonkos and says all of them

[restive falcon]

why can't that one be blackbeard instead

[pure raven]

I was thinking the same BB,BM and Kaido

No the 3 is big mom, kaido and blackbeard but the "ALL" is the shanks foreshadowing

[restive falcon]

oh lol

[fallow knot]

Zolo???

[boreal gate]

I assume that Luffy will reach the rooftop to fight Kaido on chapter 1020

[weak arrow]

this channel is for people who are caught up to the manga to make theories

[boreal gate]

I was reading the manga again just now. And I missed some important parts.

[weak arrow]

@boreal gate are you going to make a theory about these panels

[bronze spoke]

The raigo literally killed half the population that were never able to escape. Only those who were on ship already were saved. Rest of them evaporated..

[fathom matrix]

Shanks would be an excpetion because he cares about and looks up to the dude, the rest of those dudes are who's asses Luffy wants to kick

[severe edge]

He won't kill shanks or defeat him for good more like a friendly battle for luffy to prove he was indeed worthy of the strawhat shanks passed on to him

[halcyon tusk]

well what he actually said to law was that as long as Shanks wasn’t first then he’s okay with the alliance

[low swallow]

The frozen statues in Punk Hazard are related to the numbers in some way. Maybe failed attempts at them.

[halcyon tusk]

i kinda thought this idea had been sorta confirmed with there being warning labels featuring a beast logo on it all over punk hazard suggesting a definite connection between the island and kaido

[next swan]

These two are important panels

[low swallow]

Ah

[severe edge]

Well yea even through dialogues you can get that punk hazard and wano are connected as punk hazard is sort of like a lab made specifically to produce smiles useful to kaido and punk hazard is literally the starting arc of the wano saga

[halcyon tusk]

the connections i’m speaking of would’ve been established much further back during a time long before the concept of a Smile Fruit was a thing. Kaido’s flashback type shit

[low swallow]

Yah, I got the the PH, Kaido relations, just not the numbers, frozen statues connections. But yah, looking back it was totally there

[halcyon tusk]

i was never really drawn into the pull of the frozen monstrosities. i just figured the WG would definitely have a big refrigerator with failed attempts at giants filling it up. fail safe for if they’re needed to be activated someday for som nefarious deeds

as long as you can point and say “go kill” and they do it, then i’m starting to not see the failure part of it actually being factual

[low swallow]

Yah, the WG having them is a good angle. In the recent chapters, the connection of those numbers to the guys in cave with Yamato, makes me think also that the guys that Kaido didn't break, just got shipped to Caeser also for gigantification. ANd those guys could be numbers-in-progress. Or people that didn't make the transition

[halcyon tusk]

the debt kaido owes linlin could be a lot deeper than giving him a devil fruit, or saving him at god valley, she might’ve actually sprung him from the WG which would explain his obsession with breaking his opponents instead of just simply beating them or killing them. it could actually be out of his control in a sense. what’s more all the years he’s spent building up “his” forces might’ve actually been pushing a WG agenda. this would make kaido and his followers sleeper cells more or less. officially this would not exist, but it very well might

could just be an Oni thing as well though. sometimes the simple explanation is the correct one

[real basin]

Shanks is a celestial dragon(

[halcyon tusk]

could be directly related to Xebec also. either gives him clout which would be seemingly undeserved from our perspective

[feral abyss]

The masked CP0 agents are getting hyped up, but I'm seriously hoping any Robin abduction is swiftly met by a wall of resistance and failure. All the strawhats not engaged in a major named fight, the named members of both the Heart and Kid Pirates are around and could presumably help, The samurai, yakuza, Minks and converted gifters/beast pirate traitors.

Them grabbing her and getting stomped out is what I think might happen.

[mortal field]

If thats the case then damn, they did Ace dirty for less

Ace was related to Roger and was captured and killed, Shanks being related to Xebecs, the same pirate that took Garp and Roger to beat, had the current emperors on ship, be able to walk in Mariejois without much trouble

[acoustic helm]

https://youtu.be/ZKL28-YjuQg

[real basin]

Usopp the dwarf giant

[sinful helm]

Ussop is gonna be king of the world at the end if all his lies come true

[proud tree]

so he says that was not a motivational speech ... but Usopp Haki?

[proven copper]

I really liked this channel

[acoustic helm]

Seems like it

I thought ussop was merely pumping up luffy

[rustic lance]

wow, a well thought out Usopp video

[alpine forge]

I have a theory that luffy will pass on his sh to the world (it will be preserved) rather than giving it to shanks at the end. Cuz everyone from 800 yrs ago passed in sh to another generation so it would be unfair if luffy returns the sh to him

[proud tree]

Are these corpses (controlled by Moria) really from Rocks crew?

[cyan berry]

How would we we know this

[proud tree]

Captain John was in Rocks crew and is the zombie in the red circle for example .. but idk abt the green and yellow ones

[tired osprey]

its just what som fans are theorising about

[proud tree]

No John really was in Rocks crew (chapter 957)

[tired osprey]

i know, im talking about the other two who you asked about.

[ancient vault]

doesnt the beard fit to Wang Zhi

[low swallow]

Xebec's crew took both Roger and Garp to beat. It wasn't a 2v1 necessarily. One of them probably handled Xebec alone, especially since they also had to handle Shiki, Big Mom, WB, Cap John etc

[proud tree]

the skypia shandora chief looks similar to Garp with his dog mask

But since anyone can wear a dog mask this is kinda baseless to connect them just on that

[grizzled apex]

Prime Rayleigh and gaban might have handled them.

[low swallow]

All of them?

[grizzled apex]

Rayleigh alone was super strong

[low swallow]

Not sure he can take both Shiki and WB alone

[grizzled apex]

And gaban rivaled Oden in flashback

[bronze spoke]

I have a headcanon that WB defected

That wud make things easier and simpler to explain too.. WB defected and stopped kaido.

Also it wud explain Roger in good terms with whitebeard more than with kaido or bigmom.

Kaido kept going on and on about WB so I think he must had a grudge over him due to betrayal. Him quoting about betrayal could be about WB too. That's why he trusted Bigmom for alliance as she helped him by giving him fish fish df.

[pure raven]

Wb betraying rocks

[visual merlin]

makes more sense that ray and others helped in the fight than Garp and roger beat all 5 of those guys tbh

[pure raven]

Yeah roger and garp alone cant beat a crew that powerful

I got rayleigh fighting big mom

Gaban fighting silver axe

Roger vs wb
Garp vs rocks

[visual merlin]

it was probably either garp and roger vs xebec or them two against all 5

Im sure if they fought separate opponents it'd be framed a bit differently

[pure raven]

Rocks might have had an ability to duplicate his body

Similar to doffy

[visual merlin]

where's that coming from?

[pure raven]

Just the idea of 2 Ds joining to defeat an opponent

[halcyon tusk]

well i’m sure that the rest of the crew were there too. i kinda thought that was a given

[pure raven]

Law and luffy teamed up to beat the doffy family

[visual merlin]

well he was probably just stronger than them lol

[pure raven]

I mean of course he was

[visual merlin]

strong enough to take a 2v1, him having a duplicate ability is rather random

[halcyon tusk]

duplicating kinda seems to me like it’s actually make him weaker overall. that was garp and roger coming at him so i don’t think weakening himself would be very smart

[pure raven]

I mean not really because i just told you

That law and luffy joined forces to defeat doffy

2 Ds joined to defeat one man

[visual merlin]

yea but that's just a completely arbitrary comparison

[pure raven]

Not really

Oda is known for his parallels

[visual merlin]

that's not what parallels are

[fathom matrix]

I forgot her name, but that woman sanji attacked looked like that snake teacher at the beginning of wano, and right when sanji was trying to say he could have done it, she shouted WAAAAAAH but it felt a little bit fake and acted, you know??

And sanji STILL doesn't know the entire situation and what happened

[proud tree]

no that was one of the Snake headed in Black Marias room. Brook defeated her already

[fathom matrix]

Did he? Ah ok.

But it does seem a little fishy and suspicious. Like it's so convenient while Sanji is being converted, he just so happened to have come across a woman who was alone, he attacked her, came back to his senses, doesn't specifically remember THAT detail, and then she's bleeding and crying.

Like, it is a plot twist but it may end up being a sike.

[unborn hinge]

I have a theory

Akainu and kizaru were trained in wano by hyogoro

[copper frost]

elaborate?

[pale bison]

Tbh I'm kinda scared though because what if Sanji DID do it? What does that mean for him. He's changing and not for the better either

Sanji is one of my favorite characters one of the reasons why I like him is bc his respect for women. All of a sudden he puts on the Germa suite and he's a monster

[fathom matrix]

At this point, I see wano having a very bitter sweet ending

[shadow pollen]

[copper frost]

he's gonna have all his emotions

[naive breach]

they were trained by z but he's a canon character

[fathom matrix]

Like, they finally won, but there's gonna be a lot of shit everyone's gonna have to deal with

[pale bison]

If him changing for the worst a bitter sweet ending I won't like it. That's not like him

[waxen dust]

the newspaper is gonna be the buzzkill lol

[fathom matrix]

I should rephrase it. I mean it's something he has to deal with, not sanji is gonna start accepting he's a monster and can now hit girls, I mean he's gonna have to live with what he did and move on, there are gonna be lots of deaths, some of the red scabbards could die, there's CP0 fucking around trying to capture robin, zoro's body could break at any moment and if he DOES fight sani, he actually be out for like half and arc.

There may not be any time for a party

[fathom matrix]

I can see that, as well as a "well how can this day get any wo- Sabo convicted for killing Alabasta's King Cobra....well shit"

[pale bison]

See that's the thing I don't think Sanji is a monster,yes he's a vinsmoke it's in his blood that's never gonna change no matter how much he hates it,but if he becomes like his siblings it'd rub me the wrong way. The same siblings that treated him like shit the same ones that has no remorse for anything they do. If he were to become like them. It'd make me very sad. Yes I believe Sanji should cool it on the women weakness c he loses focus on what's mainly important but not to cool it so much he becomes THAT

[pale bison]

And there's definitely no time for a party

[fathom matrix]

I think it goes back to the argument of "nature vs nurture", where Sanji and his brothers were given a sperate formula to their sister, because Reiju's the oldest and wasn't quintuplet, so her formula was different, and her mom was around her which still retained her kind nature.

The thing is Sanji MIGHT be unlocking the physical genes, but his time with the straw hats, Zeff and his mother, would have helped him retain those emotions

I think it was all in his head and that woman was messing with him

cause when you're stressed and your anxiety's high, you can black out or have a fog in memories

[iron lion]

Wasn't the "goodbye woman's baths" a reference to the stealth black suit power only? Have no clue where people are getting the idea that Sanji is gonna no longer hit on women

[pale bison]

I hope your right about unlocking his physical genes and becomes stronger. The only thing that scares me is if he loses his humanity because of it. Since Sanji was introduced he was generally a kind hearted person. But like u said he was also around his mom more than his brothers too in which formed him to be kind hearted like Reiju;he was with Zeff who raised and taught him to be a good person as well then he's with the Strawhats. It's his surroundings that can keep him in check

[pale bison]

I also think Queen got in his head reminding him where he comes from his brothers and his dad and the suite and the changes he felt after wearing it. Kinda freaked him out

The stress level and the worry of possibilities of what can happen the confusion on why his body is acting the way it was, was like a ok wtf is going on rn this can't be happening. In deep thought there could be a chance it was all in his head bc of what Queen said and fear of becoming the one thing he hates the most

[tiny ocean]

Among all the characters sanji has the least respect for women. He is just drooling over them.

[ripe geyser]

Hmmmm… so people who are chivalrous don’t respect women?

[wary fossil]

I mean Brook at least asks to see their panties. Sanji just sneaks into bathhouses to see

[ripe geyser]

What character backstories are coming up in Wano btw? I’d say:
-Queen
-King
-Kaido
-Zoro part 2
-Maybe more Yamato
-Maybe Kid

Queen b/c we need to know why he’s so obsessed with Germa and what led him to being a cyborg, King b/c we need lore on lunarians, Kaido b/c he’s the main antagonist and Zoro part 2 b/c at this point it’s obvious he’s tied with Wano in some way

[wary fossil]

honestly I don't think we'll get much more than King's backstory in Wano and maybe Yamato's if she doesn't make it out of wano

I think Queen will stick around like the other MADS survivors

[ripe geyser]

Well Queen is relevant to Sanji and Germa in some way so I think we’re gonna get some lore on him

Ever since MADS was revealed I was interested in him

[wary fossil]

yeah but I'm not sure it has to be in wano

unless vegapunk pops up

[hollow grotto]

I doubt we're getting backstories on so many people

[ripe geyser]

Kaido is a 100% tho

[hollow grotto]

Queen might get backstory when we see Vegapunk and we get some background on him since they're directly related to MADS

[ripe geyser]

That’s true

[hollow grotto]

just a gut instinct, Queen doesn't really have any reason to be popping flashbacks unless he starts talking about MADS again, which would add to an already-massive pool of fights - perhaps a tiny flashback or two, but I think Oda would want to focus on their fight

since it's more about Sanji's dilemna than Queen himself

[ripe geyser]

I wanna learn about King tho

[waxen dust]

Only chance Vegapunk shows up this arc is if he’s on that WG ship

[ripe geyser]

Yamato’s backstory also felt a little short

[wary fossil]

I think Yamato will be the tragedy

[hollow grotto]

The only flashback I need to see is Kaido

[ripe geyser]

Shows she’s not significant enough to be a future straw hat

[ripe geyser]

Not even King? Ur not interested in the supposed last member of a tribe on the red line?

The reveal of the lunarian race peaked my curiosity and it’s something we didn’t hear about in arcs before Wano

[hollow grotto]

I do care, but Oda is the type of dude to tease you about this kind of stuff for a long time and reveal that shit much later. I get the feeling we're learning about King now, only to learn about his race through somebody/some other source later and see a tiny King

plus, the focus really should be on Kaido and the raid right now, and Oda has time to sprinkle this info in now and dump it on us later, by having Queen present with Vegapunk and King present in the 'poneglyph' readings or through another source like Marco

[ripe geyser]

Wdym by this? Her backstory already is sad… are u saying we’re gonna learn about something even more tragic in her backstory? Or are u saying something tragic will happen to her in current time?

[wary fossil]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jo-ha-kyū

this is why people think wano will be 5 acts

if that's the case then this is the act where the sadness/tragedy happens

[night karma]

Which chap is ep 998 in the manga?

[brittle steppe]

986 - 989 i guess

[waxen dust]

Jo Ha Kyu can be as low as 4 acts amd as high as 13 acts, don’t take what the wiki says at face value

[brittle steppe]

what dude

[ripe geyser]

This is fairly interesting tho but it can’t be directly implied that Wano will follow this 5 act order

[wary fossil]

regardless of the number of acts, the structure is still there for tragedy

[brittle steppe]

yeah

[wary fossil]

onigashima could fall, yamato could die trying to lessen the damage, big mom could kill kid or law, sanji could become a monster, etc

luffy is meatsexual

[brittle steppe]

damn man u dont like one piece dont say that stuff

[vestal orbit]

act 3's tragedy is going to be the straw hats being forced to flee wano when the world government arrives

[wary fossil]

robin could get taken again

[waxen dust]

yeah it doesn’t but it’s a possibility, but the basis of the argument is we should expect a tragedy by the end of the act. Which has been the plausible notion all this time

[brittle steppe]

yeah if brook fails to save her

[ripe geyser]

That I agree with

[waxen dust]

Act 3 tragedy is they have Fukurokju vs Raizo as a tie

[wary fossil]

raizo v fuku gonna end with shinobu winning

[ripe geyser]

Robin maybe might get taken but there’s a 0% chance that she’s gonna get captured and sent away from Wano successfully otherwise that’s repeating EL and Oda can’t give an arc the same initial objective as a previous one

[waxen dust]

well Shinobu is on the main land still

[vestal orbit]

the biggest threats on both sides are taken out, but before the straw hats can celebrate fuku's defeat the world government arrives to capitalize on it, think it still makes sense

[ripe geyser]

There will be no arc involving the main objective to free Robin besides EL

[waxen dust]

Robin being kidnapped is definitely a red herring, no way it happens again unless it’s setup for Elbaf or Revo Arc immediately next which I doubt

[ripe geyser]

But I do think that the WG will be a huge threat because if they got defeated and then a banquet happened then Oda putting them in Wano would be fully pointless

Those masked members could be almost YC level or maybe that level they’re not there to screw around

[waxen dust]

CP0 may have not reveled the boss yet, the main guy could be the squad leader but not the one in charge

I would assume they’re all YC level at least. Which is gonna be interesting for whoever takes them down

[ripe geyser]

Denjiro

Where is he where tf is he I need to see him

[split glacier]

Maybe help Brook vs CP0 or hunting Orochi

[split glacier]

If Wano is 5 acts then it finishes 2022 December and Shanks never moves.

[wary fossil]

not all the acts are the same length

[ripe geyser]

Act 1 was only 909-924 (16 chapters)

Act 2 was 925-955 (31 chapters)

And then we got act 3 (the climax) which is 956-1031 (including Oden backstory) which is over 75 chapters. Assuming that the arc will have 5 acts and given that about 35 chapters will come out in a year, 2022 would have to finish act 3 and have the last 2 acts in order to finish in December 2022

[mint prairie]

I hope Act 4 (and 5 if it's going to be a thing) is indeed a shorter one, because Wano has been running for too long already.

[ripe geyser]

Act 5 would be extremely short, I could even say it would be shorter than act 1

As of Act 3 tho we still have
-Sanji fight
-Zoro fight
-Luffy fight
-Raizo fight
-Kid and Law fight
-Yamato, Drake, Apoo and 3 Numbers situation
-Momo situation
-Brook and Robin situation
-CP0 and minks
-Usopp and Kinemon situation
-Other scabbards and numbers
-WHERE IS DENJIRO
-Orochi
-Silhouette person

I think Sanji’s fight is gonna be done in 1032 tho, and then Zoro’s fight will be done in the next 2-3 chapters

Ig how many ppl say Wano is too long but act 3 introduced so many characters to the raid it’s no surprise Onigashima is this long

So if a 5-Act Wano were to finish in late 2022 then act 4 would have to be 11-16 chapters, act 5 around 5-7, and then everything else for act 3. Seriously, all of those things I mentioned above are UNFINISHED parts or act 3

I gotta be honest if Wano really does have 5 acts it wouldn’t even be far fetched to say that it finishes in 2023

Anyways, what do we think the last 4 chapters of 2021 are gonna cover?

[polar gust]

I really wanted Wano to end next year

[ripe geyser]

Well don’t we all

I say Sanji’s fight is done in 1032

Zoro’s fight done in 1034

1035 gonna be an exposition chapter that introduces a couple new situations and begins Luffy vs Kaido

[mint prairie]

I believe most of these will be addressed during Act 3, but some thing will have to carry over as post-raid plot threads.
Orochi might be beaten during the raid, but the conclusion to his arc will come afterwards. The silhouette person can have an explanation on the raid, but it would be fast. Brook, Robin, and CP0 is most likely carrying over into CP0's move on Wano.
I hope Denjiro is addressed as a Sanji in Enies Lobby kind of scenario. Having him actually influencing the outcome of the raid after being seemingly absent for a while.

[ripe geyser]

Im surprised I don’t see many ppl talk about Denjiro he def seems like one of the more powerful scabbards and he has been gone ever since the scabbards fought Kaido

1035 better initiate Luffy vs Kaido tho would be an awesome way to wrap up 2021

[shut finch]

just wait until luffy gets offscreened again

but yeah i hope the same. feels like sanji will wrap us his fight next chapter, then zoro. i wonder how long his fight and kidd/law's last

[crude spear]

So obviously the next major arc is gonna be luffys war against marieoja or however that's spelled.

because it's like, you know Luffy gonna hear about sabo and he's gonna immediately go off to rescue him

[pure raven]

👀

i wonder what history

[dense carbon]

about the D

[sand sail]

The Void Century, he wanted to know about the Will of D and their history

[mint prairie]

[ripe geyser]

Has Oda said anything about there being a next SH in an SBS or anything else

[weak arrow]

no

[ripe geyser]

Thx just wanted some confirmation

[fathom matrix]

Maybe what he was about to say, was "I thought she was attacked or about to get attacked by someone else" but right then, covers her face and goes waah

Cause he did seem very confident at first that he didn't do it, and the conversion also stopped in this chapter and he still felt like himself.

you ever get that thing where you KNOW you didn't do somthing wrong, but because of how intense the moment was your memories get warped, and people say "YEAH, YOU DID IT, IT WAS YOUR FAULT!" and you start to believe them?

[wet perch]

Yeah, that’s called “gaslighting”

[pure raven]

my theory for later OP: blackbeard and luffy fight but eventually have a temporary alliance to defeat admiral akainu (or maybe the world gov. who knows?), then as soon as the battle ends: BAM blackbeard betrays luffy again and the final battle commences

i always love stories that do that

i also think Oda should write himself in and destroy im sama

[pure raven]

luffy would never team up with blackbeard

[ebon geode]

Oda could be Im

[gray creek]

I mean, he might

[pure raven]

watch im be luffy's mom lmao

[pure raven]

in alot of stories when the protag and antag are in a shitty super desperate situation it happens

i think it would be dope to see tbh

i doubt it

blackbeard was indirectly responsible for ace dying

yeah, which is why the situation has to be at the worst possible state

a situation that means both BB and luffymeister can be screwed

[pure raven]

makes more sense for Shanks to fight Blackbeard later

so they can settle their score lol

[fresh pecan]

Akainu will die for Luffy

That's all I have to say no evidence or anything

[pure raven]

Lol that would be some twist. Then he comes out and says “He may have been your father boy, but he wasn’t ya daddy”

[fresh pecan]

Lololol My only real evidence is Akainu is so comically spiteful towards Pirates and those that cower to fight them but also skeptical of the 5 Elders and pragmatic and coordinated as a fleet admiral that he has to have some tragic backstory relating to Pirates killing his whole family or sumn

Thus he might have a chance at redemption to Luffy narratively when he realizes how horrible the world government is

[gloomy canyon]

Idk what could possibly change his mind about how atrocious the world government are when he actively participated in buster calls and executed a ship full of people

He administers their justice in the first place

He talks back to the gorosei as well so it's not like he worships them

It'd be pretty shit to me if Akainu turned his back on his absolute justice. It's what defines his character. I don't think he'd really care if he found out about the void century and WG's rise to power. He still views pirates and criminals as scum that needs to be eliminated

[real basin]

Sanji will fight luffy instead of zoro after the fight

nonsense theory dont mind me

[balmy mango]

Did u hear about the theory which said the straw hats would go to space

No nothing is going to happen to sanji

He probably will be fine after beating queen

[pure raven]

The reason dressrosa is long is because doffy was controlling the writers

[gloomy canyon]

Guys, read what it says at the top. This channel is not for joking around. We want to keep it as serious as possible and promote thought out discussion.

[heavy ocean]

Not sure if its brought up many times but it struck me odd most of the one piece world is like 95% water with the only "continent" being the red line. I have a feeling there was a natural disaster of some sort that flooded the world except the highest places, which became islands

[gloomy canyon]

Don’t ping me for this. I already gave a general warning

[mint prairie]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/a/a2/One_Piece_World_Map_Concept.png/revision/latest?cb=20200827164802
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/b/b3/One_Piece_Chart_by_Takahashi_Tsunemasa.png/revision/latest?cb=20200827164857

It seems Oda didn't intend the world to be seen as 95% water, but the Grand Line is full of small islands scattered alongside its length.

The first picture, drawn by Oda, shows a lot of continental lands in the four Blues, but the Grand Line is still full of smaller islands.

[warm saffron]

Got bored and translated some one piece names, if these are made into theories, I will be surprised

[gloomy canyon]

Ok enough with the image spam

enough

[tulip lantern]

lmaoooo

[ebon geode]

Ah yes and when the Strawhats come back crashlanding from space, the Sunny will be too damaged to keep doing so they'll have to get a new ship

[balmy mango]

Nah

It is meant to be the ultimate ship

[ebon geode]

You're right
It'll survive

[balmy mango]

There is a theory that Franky turns it into pluton

[ebon geode]

Franky could be Pluton

[balmy mango]

Cuz even though he burnt the blueprints he still remembers them

[ebon geode]

After the time skip, he changed a lot so he probably changed himself to become that