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fading estuary
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Yes, I can see that aswell

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Or like new mode Tigerman.

split glacier
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Awakening has to be available for Luffy if Law and Kid can do it lol

bitter kraken
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I wonder what luffys awakening will be, peeps seem to think it will be similar to doffy where he will turn the read rubber but I don’t think a bouncy house will help him any against kaido lol I like to think it will make his internal organs rubber unless they already are rubber? And turn other things rubber like Kaidos club. Imagine kaido tries to hit luffy with it only to see that it’s all bendy

split glacier
delicate hamlet
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I saw some guy saying the awakening of luffy would be like erasers because erasers are made of rubber and negates other devil fruit users but that just makes no sense now xdd

bitter kraken
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Yeah but prolly it’s nothing, but kata and doffy’s powers come out of their bodies too with the strings and the motchi while luffys ability is limited to his body like he dosnt create rubber bullets and launch them or sum also I imagine because he’s the protagonist Oda won’t make his awaking something fans can easily guess

split glacier
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Only other theory is the vulcanization idea

near osprey
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Honestly don't mind if Luffy doesn't Awaken his DF powers but I imagine if he does it'll be his last power up

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I don't think he has anything left of Haki to learn at this point

split glacier
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He'll awaken it. Makes no sense to bring it up and for the future strongest character not to even use it.

near osprey
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Obviously I'm just saying I don't mind it

split glacier
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Might even get it now over a new gear with Law/Kid

near osprey
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Yeah I don't see us getting a Gear 5th

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Mainly because his Gears are already taxing his body and anything further than Gear 4th might end up bringing him near death every time he uses it

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Be surprising if he awakens during his fight with Kaido tho

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That'd be three awakenings we've seen in a short span of time

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Wonder if Blackbeard's awakened df is what allows him to steal Devil Fruit powers

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Or if his fruit just has the ability to pull out DF from a corpse before it passes on

split glacier
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I prefer more gear 4th transformations and Awaken opposed to Gear 5th

near osprey
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But then again Burgess was going to steal Sabo's and Luffy's power during Dressrosa without BB

split glacier
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He's got 3 souls/theres 3 of him or something

near osprey
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Trying to figure out how BB has multiple fruits is like trying to figure out who Imu is

split glacier
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The theory of the 3 BBs is decent tho. They never look the same

near osprey
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Until there's more info I don't like to get into it.

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Only theory I have with Imu is he got eternal life from the Op Op Fruit

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and was who stopped JoyBoy during the Void Century rip JoyBoy

split glacier
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He says in the manga theories section lol

near osprey
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Yeah I spend a lot of time in here

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I'd like to get more into Blackbeard but we haven't really gotten a lot of info on him yet, just little bits and pieces here and there.

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Hopefully when Shanks and Luffy reunite we get an info dump from Shanks

split glacier
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That's kinda all of One Piece lol

near osprey
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Yeah but he's still one of the bigger mysteries of the series.

split glacier
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Dragon gets that title to me.

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Most Wanted Criminal but nothing story related lol

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Just a few gusts of wind here and there

near osprey
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We've met Ivankov, Sabo, Koala and most of the RA and still barely know anything about Dragon

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Wonder when he's actually going to come in considering we're entering the final saga there's not much left

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Lot of flashbacks incoming

split glacier
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His boy just got captured. He better team up with his son he forgot about and help him.

near osprey
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He didn't forget about Luffy mind you he did go to Loguetown to recruit him until he saw the scene on the Scaffolding

split glacier
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He didn't go to recruit him lol

near osprey
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He doesn't flat out say that no but his wording makes me assume that was the case

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"If that's your decision then go!"

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Makes me assume Dragon was going to tell Luffy who he is and ask him to come along with him. But after he saw Luffy say he'd be Pirate King he got his answer and left it at that.

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Doesn't really matter at this point if that was his intention but it's something left up as interpretation for the reader I'm sure.

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Like episode 958 makes me believe there'll be an Alliance with Blackbeard, Kaido and Big Mom in the near future, along with the rest of the surviving Rocks Members.

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Mainly because of Sengoku's choice of words with Akainu at the end of the episode.

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As those kind of episodes typically exist as something that informs the viewer/reader rather than the Marines sitting in the room.

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We know that Shiki has been biding his time, we know that the Pirate Island Fullalead was occupied by Rocks well before it was by Blackbeard and we know Blackbeard's ship name is the Saber of Xebec. We also know that Kaido and Big Mom have joined forces already.

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Now how their defeat to Luffy, Kidd and Law will affect their decisions later on I don't find it too far fetched that they join hands with Blackbeard.

But that also comes down to Kaido's interest in whomever is JoyBoy which he could realize is Luffy by the end of Wano

split glacier
spice berry
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Some cool theories plz

split glacier
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Shiki is the only one left and I doubt he's coming back to fulfill Ra's al Ghul's destiny

zinc iris
near osprey
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Nah there's two other Members that Sengoku mentioned that we haven't seen yet.

split glacier
near osprey
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Silver Axe and Ochoku

split glacier
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They on Thriller Bark as zombies

near osprey
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When they were named off the Marines reacted like they're still active Pirates

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Nah only John was, Silver Axe and Ochoku don't even have character designs yet

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Also the fact to consider that Blackbeard most likely obtained Moria's Fruit so who he brings back with it is still left to be seen.

split glacier
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Silver Axe was there. Literally a dude in all silver with an axe lol

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The rocks is obviously fan art

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If that's not Silver Axe then I dunno who the hell he is lol

near osprey
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Not confirmed to be Silver Axe though I don't think the dude in armor ever got a name during Thriller Bark, the only one who did was Captain John and that's it.

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Check the OP Wiki and Rocks Members and there isn't a picture there for Ochoku or Silver Axe so odds are he's not him

waxen dust
# split glacier

I actually like this, makes sense but let’s see if it actually comes true

near osprey
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But odds are the Rocks Remnants will still have a role to play later on so we'll have to see how things go from Post Wano onwards.

split glacier
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Most likely is him and Wang Shi/Ochoku. They don't mention a lot on Wiki, 90% of One Piece info is fan theories lol

near osprey
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Blackbeard already has an obvious interest in the crew

split glacier
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If Ben Benneck can't even get screen time, some dead old mid cards ain't getting it lol

waxen dust
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The Wang Zhi zombie fits, just makes sense for a guy with such a long eastern looking beard to be of “Chinese” heritage and the only one we know by name is Wang Zhi

split glacier
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I didn't even know peeps thought otherwise honestly.

near osprey
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Just saying, if Blackbeard's Goal is more than just Pirate King but to Conquer the World that's already him inheriting Xebec's Will as that is what Xebec originally wanted to do.

split glacier
near osprey
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and Xebec was Roger's first and toughest enemy he faced during his journey

split glacier
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Luffy didn't try to recruit Rayleigh

near osprey
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Yeah but he got Moria's Fruit

split glacier
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So?

near osprey
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Which allows him to revive the dead

waxen dust
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He is not getting Rocks corpses

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Moria may just be a temporary ally and that’s about it.

split glacier
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He ain't gonna waste it on Silver Axe and Shi. That's not his Trump card lol

near osprey
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He can get Rocks Corpses,Ace's, Whitebeards, Rogers anyone who's dead he can revive

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He needs an army so he can make it

waxen dust
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for what tho? It’s not like they have their DFs anymore lol. BB has an army of Pirates subordinates already. No need for more zombies

split glacier
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Moria was told "Get down or lay down". The shadow and Yami just go together that's all.

near osprey
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Okay but more bodies don't hurt either.

split glacier
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Fodder doesn't amass to anything

near osprey
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It does when you're waging war

split glacier
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Coc. Next lol

waxen dust
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0 * 100 = 0

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literally FMI proved this

near osprey
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Onigashima Raid is also proving how large numbers can put a battle in your favor if it wasn't for Tama they would've been overwhelmed by sheer numbers.

waxen dust
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If Luffy wanted he could have spammed his Coc and put down all the fodder, but he wasn’t gonna blow out his output so quickly either

near osprey
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Doesn't matter how strong your allies are you still need a force to match another force

waxen dust
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obviously and BB already has that

split glacier
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They are all fodder. Background characters

near osprey
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If he lured Moria to his Island with Absalom he already has a clear plan in mind for his fruit

waxen dust
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There is a slim chance of Rocks zombies and reanimated pirate legends.
Oda is nothing like Kishimoto

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He didn’t lure Moria, they wanted Absalom’s fruit

split glacier
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The fodder fights the fodder. It's just to make the battle look pretty.

waxen dust
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Moria made his bed by going to Fullalead. BB didn’t really need Moria, but why not have another ally especially a former Warlord

near osprey
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Okay how about if Oda revived Moria he had a clear intention for Blackbeard to obtain Moria's Fruit because he has a plan in mind for it later on.

waxen dust
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Bro....what is with you and this reviving gimmick? Get it out of your head already, Oda is not gonna do that.

near osprey
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Yes he is, because he already killed off Moria during Marineford but backtracked and brought him back just for him to deliver the fruit to BB

waxen dust
pine delta
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Even if they revive: they won’t have the fruits. Why waste time? If zombies could indeed be that powerful moriah would be in the new world and not bumming as a former warlord in the grand line

split glacier
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The whole point of "The Will of D" is so there's no need to revive. The will is already carried on. Or wills in general

waxen dust
pine delta
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Like pre time skip straw hats destroyed moriahs army. After he has everything he could desire in terms of bodies! And they still lost. What could less prep time do

near osprey
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waxen dust
pine delta
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Mihawk a few chapters later: I don’t think he’s dead

split glacier
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If that Eagle dude with the bomb and Big Mom husband didn't die then Moria didn't die lol

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You only can die if it related to Luffy or BB directly lol

waxen dust
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it’s not even that, but Mihawk stated Moria was not likely dead

near osprey
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Alright we're clearly not going to get any where on this so we'll just leave it up to I told you so later on.

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Hit me up in four years.

split glacier
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But the actual Manga says otherwise...

waxen dust
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wow what an immature answer, if that’s what you believe then idk bro.

near osprey
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I'm talking about BB reviving people with the fruit I'm not going to continue debating it. I think there's clear hints of it, you guys think other wise I'd rather not spend 2 hours on the topic.

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So we'll just have to see if the theory comes true simple as.

waxen dust
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fair enough

split glacier
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Would just seem like a BIGGGG copy of Naruto tho. Oda ain't that cheap

near osprey
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Naruto's was more of a cop out if you ask me still made no sense for Madara to come back.

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But the later half of Shippuden was just sloppy in general.

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But I find that as a common theme with most Shonen, OP is clearly different because there's more care to detail.

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Smaller building blocks and so on

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Why it's important to pay attention to context in OP cause odds are it'll have massive implications for later on.

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Spent the last three months watching entire anime so I could get a better grasp of things. As before that it's been well over a decade since I first watched it.

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Still crazy how quickly the Worst Generation grows in power in such a short span of time.

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Roger took what 30 years to accomplish his dream?

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While Luffy is going to take close to three

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Still don't get why he isn't 20 by the Timeskip, he was 17 when he set out at the start of OP and it's not like he was only on the first half of the grand line for a few months

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Then he takes two years off to train and continue on his adventure but he's only 19

pure raven
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but i thinn luffy will stretch his balls to whitebeard and make him alive again by tickling him with his balls

split glacier
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Roger wasn't searching for the One Piece. No one even knew there was such a thing. They were just being pirates

near osprey
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I'd assume by Marineford though it'd have been close to a year since he went out and was close to being 18

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Yeah Roger just wanted to sail the Grand Line

gentle lily
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How do yall feel about these similarities?

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near osprey
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I also have a theory that there's a Road Poneglyph on God Valley and that's what started Roger out on his journey to find LaughTale

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Cause God Valley disappeared if I recall what Sengoku said correctly and we've gotten three out of four of the poneglyphs now

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So if God Valley isn't destroyed but actually ends up re-appearing here soon I think that's where the last Poneglyph is hidden

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That or Elbaf

sinful helm
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Why not with Shanks

near osprey
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Shanks just pops in and goes" Hey Luffy heard you got three coincidentally enough I have the last one you need here you go"

sinful helm
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I never understood why cant they use 3 of them too find the location unless the 4th is height/depth

near osprey
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Have fun at LaughTale

zinc iris
sinful helm
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And yes this even assuming there isn't a height component in the coordinates as laughtale might be in the sky or underwater. you're contradicting yourself here i believe but we will see when the time comes what is right

wary fossil
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they need 4 because the location of laugh tale is in the words of all 4 together, not the locations that the poneglyphs rest in

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that's how they can find it using a print/sketch/whatever it technically is

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also why Robin is such a high value target

sinful helm
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i assumed that each is showing one coordinate

pure raven
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Yo

sinful helm
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and where they cross is the location

nimble hinge
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Even with 3 poneglyphs, that's 3 possible rings around the planet. That's if each gives one full coordinate.

wary fossil
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they don't necessarily have to show 1 coordinate each

nimble hinge
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It's not a flat map. So instead of a cross. You get a ring.

pure raven
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What's the topic

wary fossil
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you could need to combine them to make the coordinates

nimble hinge
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Even with all 4 points, one piece can be in one of 2 different spots

sinful helm
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hmmm idk what too say Brookeking but im hoping its in 4 blues and they have too travel and get something and it shows up on the moon

pure raven
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How do you guys feel about rocks being the father of the dragon

wary fossil
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finding the coordinates without the 4th roadglyph could be like trying to complete a word search with only 3/4ths of the letters

pure raven
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Yo tf is wrong with this chat

sinful helm
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father of dragon father of bb other self of bb/reincarnation of bb

pure raven
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So what's your take do you think its dragon or bb

sinful helm
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i think he is bb

fading estuary
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Dragon

sinful helm
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reincarnation or something like possesion

pure raven
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How come, what makes you believe its blackbeadd

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I think xebec is inside him blackbeard.

But I think its an inheritance of will rather than blood

sinful helm
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name of his ship

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the 3 headed jolly roger his personality other weird combos etc

wary fossil
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I'm a fan of the Shanks connection with Rocks theory, although I get the feeling that Vegapunk might've had something to do with Blackbeard being into it

sinful helm
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am i the only one that thinks Vegapunk is related too Franky or that is already thought?

pure raven
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Shanks is not rocks son thats all imma say

gusty needle
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Wonder if franky could reconstruct himself using sea prism

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Would be insane power bump post wano

sinful helm
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i dont see why not it would look awesome bcs he needs it too be higher lvl

bitter kraken
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What I wonder is what kinda metal franky is made out of already if not sea prism lol cause dude can take hits like it’s no one’s business also he would be fodder vs KID if it ever happened

wary fossil
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I think Sunny is more likely to get seastone than Franky

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isn't Franky made of Wapolmetal now

sinful helm
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for pirate general franky it says wapol metal

gusty needle
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Have no idea what he’s made of currently but sea stone would be an amazing upgrade (no need for Haki)

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Did he ever work on his back?

wary fossil
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No he can't

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also it wouldn't be SUPERRR if he was just a robot

brazen lantern
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Is it just me that feels yonkos have been nerfed or worst gen given way too much + quick boost ups

wary fossil
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They're outnumbered, got taken by surprise, and still winning battles

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it's like a straight up video game raid on these yonkos

zinc iris
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and kaido is like only on phase 2

wary fossil
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idk how many hits Kaido has taken but it's 1000x more any single one of the alliance can take

brazen lantern
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I mean luffy kidd got one shot by kaido who wasnt going all out
All of a sudden it seems both kaido and big mom might die

zinc iris
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dat combat res

sand sail
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Luffy got one shot by Kaido before he was ready for the fight, that's not really a good assessment. We don't know how the fight with Kid went at all

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But they're seemingly potentially going to die because these are the strongest pirates in the world like directly after the Emperors

zinc iris
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hmm now I wonder one thing

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by the dialogue it seems Law and Kid awakened a while ago and were just saving those new powers for a decisive moment

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but so when did they unlock them most plausibly? tHONK

sand sail
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During the time skip maybe?

wary fossil
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it's not like kidd was doing nothing during timeskip

zinc iris
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like for example it would make little sense law already was awakened at dressrosa and just didn't use it on doflamingo

wary fossil
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mfer traded arms with shanks

wary fossil
brazen lantern
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So shouldn't law now be the strongest character
Just put a knife inside someone's heart and bam

zinc iris
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well yeah I doubt throwing an iron girder at big mom will do much kekw

brazen lantern
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Didnt it all go inside her body

sand sail
zinc iris
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no the metal just slammed on her out of magnetic attraction

cunning geode
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Do you guys think that the law vs Hawkins fight wasn’t shown because law used his awakening :V

brazen lantern
wary fossil
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lmao no way big mom is killed by that weak combo

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all that buildup just for her to die from one good attack?

pure raven
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is imu luffy's mother?

sand sail
pure raven
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i think we know whos luffy's mother, imu

sand sail
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Imu is not Luffy's mother

brazen lantern
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Oh I misread

sand sail
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luffy's mother, reportedly, won't be showing up in the series

brazen lantern
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I thought all the parts went inside the body 😂

wary fossil
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no she just got napoleon stuck to her and then 2 parts of the castle broke and slammed into her

brazen lantern
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But most likely big mom dies at the end of the arc ,so katakuri would be considered a yonko?

wary fossil
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that's not necessarily true

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OP arc bosses generally don't die

zinc iris
wary fossil
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she did also get stabbed

zinc iris
wary fossil
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but yeah no way she's gonna be even close to dying this early

zinc iris
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and she wasn't damaged that much by that either

wary fossil
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would be insane for her to survive the end of WCI just to die like that

zinc iris
sacred hawk
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Anyone remember Pandora?

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If the Straw Hats go to Elbaf and Pandora is still there, do you think Nami will get it as a powerup?

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And if so, do think she'll be able to use the Maser Cannon? Since she saw Big Mom do it?

weak arrow
sand sail
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Either way, Caramel wouldn't have put much soul into Pandora and it's 60 years later

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She seemed to keep it around for a while at least, but unless she went and dropped at least 70 years on it, it's just naturally dead by now

plain cliff
# sinful helm Why not with Shanks

Possible. Also shanks might me like we are friends and all but u will have to prove that u r worthy of the poneglyph by defeating us. Bam - we get strawhats vs shanks crew

zinc iris
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so a living ball of fire is not something she can really control because of her weather skills

brazen lantern
plain cliff
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Like atleast meeting shanks crew

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So it won't make sense if shanks vs bb happens and any one of the crew suffers damage

zinc iris
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I can see BB killing Shanks and so Luffy can't give back the hat anymore

bitter kraken
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From what we know about shanks, he could be the best haki user out there. I give it to him over Bb since shanks, something weird tho I wonder if shanks beat another yonko to take his or her territory? Or if he just carved out his territory from the other yonko but if he did beat another one who it was lol shiki comes to mind 🤔

zinc iris
bitter kraken
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But isn’t the new world carved up by them? So BM WB and kaido left part of it unclaimed and shanks just showed up and took it?

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Actually there could be parts of the new world that arnt anyones territory since smoker said croc had territory and I don’t think he woulda clashed with a yonko to take land or sum

zinc iris
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it just happened that some pirates managed to make empires for themselves

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but it's not a prescription

sinful helm
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Even Wapol took over two Kingdoms and he is useless

sacred hawk
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Wait, if Usopp's going off by himself to the second floor, you think there's a chance he could run into Page One again?

weak arrow
sacred hawk
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This Usopp's last chance this arc to get his shine. I'm gonna be sad if nothing comes from this

snow grove
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Big mom face sais she's in trouble

wary fossil
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it wouldn't be the worst thing for usopp to not shine here because elbaf is really his time

junior cape
junior cape
vestal orbit
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honestly hoping kinemon sacrifices himself to stop it

junior cape
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I think Kinemon's in a bit of a bind right now

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He's split in half, heavily wounded despite Kaido missing the kill, Okiku is dying in front of him, Kanjuro just died in front of him, or is just about to, and he can't move on his own. It's probably all he can do to stay conscious and keep his legs talking.

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He can't really get up and stop it since it won't do anything to cut it. It's a painting given life. If he could summon water, then maybe, but from what we've seen it seems to just be a roaming mass of super-heated air.

digital tapir
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Yeah he’s bleeding a lot he might still die from the injury 🤷‍♂️

junior cape
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yeah

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We haven't seen Denjiro for a while either. Maybe he's dealing with fodder from Orochi's group

vestal orbit
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either superheated air or just fire, if it's the latter he could definitely stop it

junior cape
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It doesn't look like fire though. We can SEE right through it. It can also phase right through walls. It may be more correct to call it a roving mass of heat, not air or fire.

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If that is the case, a heat dial will do it, assuming Usopp gets it out in time

vestal orbit
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fair enough

just want a dramatic death for kinemon, was really ambivalent about him until his apparent sacrifice against kaido

pure raven
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This isnt my theorie : Zkk This is going to be a relatively big thread on how Zoro will kill Kaido. I'm making this because I see two major points brought up against ZKK, and those are in relation to Luffy.

  1. Luffy is the MC, so Luffy has to beat the big bad of an entire saga (I don't disagree with this, I actually think that is what is going to happen)
  2. If Luffy beats Kaido, how will Zoro kill him? Zoro isn't the man to kill a person he didn't defeat, that isn't very honorable, and really lack luster and anti-climactic.

As such, a lot of people are confused on how this'll unfold, I'll be breaking it all down, in this thread, even down to why Kaido should die, which is something that a lot of fans think isn't going to happen.

**Also I took some points from a user on WG, though I forgot the name, I think it might be the user "Salah WG", so credits go to them.

Helmeppo and Orochi:
Both are second villains of the arc and are the first villains introduced in the arc. Both are cowardly men who rely on the primary villain's name as protection and think of it as their own strength.

Captain Axe Morgan and Kaido:
The primary villains of the arc that are actually strong. They aren't as similar in personality as Helmeppo and Orochi, but an interesting parallel with the two is that they both had statues important to them (a dragon statue of Kaido and a statue of himself for Morgan), and both ended up getting destroyed by a member of the D. clan, in ace and Luffy respectively, and both were pretty pissed about it. Also, Morgan slaps his son and calls him useless, which was a shock to everyone, and Kaido "kills” Orochi, calling him useless in the process, which was also a shock to everyone.

The subordinates:
The marines end up befriending the pirates after Morgan is defeated. Whereas for the beast pirates, they ended up helping/befriending the samurai/pirate alliance during the fight in the performance room. This comes from the fact that both leaders (which would be queen in standing for kaido who really took the leader position of the beast pirates in the performance floor) and captain Morgan, treated their subordinates poorly and played with their lives, which built up resentment for their respective leaders. Which ended up in them befriending the enemy side.

Dog:
Zoro tries attacks Helmepo because he tried to attack a little girl, which is a parallel in wano, where Zoro tries to attack Orochi for trying to attack a little girl named o-toko, and in both instances, a dog ended up intervening, a literal dog that Helmeppo owns that attack/scares people for him, and Kyoshiro, who calls himself the shogun's dog, a person who attacks people and scares them for Orochi. This also ties in with the parallel of Orochi and Helmeppo, both being the second villain of the arc.

Cross:
Zoro in Shells Town is tied to a cross for 30 days as a from of consequence, in wano, Zoro is put in a cross because he has 30 broken bones, as a form of consequence for taking such a huge attack from the two yonko.

Momo and Coby:
Both are young and scared boys who wish they were stronger and older, who also have big dreams, and are inspired by luffy to work for and achieve those goals.

Zoro and Oden:
Both go and try to attack the second villain of the arc, but are stopped, and proposed a deal by the second villain of the arc, dance for 5 years and Orochi will leave with Kaido and not harm anyone for oden, and stay tied to the cross for 30 days and Helmeppo won't harm the girl again for Zoro. Both Zoro and Oden accept this deal and do it, but the second villains aren't gonna keep their part of the goal and would end up killing and harming more people. When Oden and Zoro find out about this, they are both enraged by this.

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Oh yeah definitely. Oda has a bad habit of giving people perfect death scenes, and then retconning them next chapter.

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Auras:
At the start of both arcs, zoro is noted to have a menacing aura by pink haired characters, (the sumo dude and Coby).

Coby and Momo pt. 2:
In the Oden flashback, kaido and oden are about to have their final clash, but oden is stopped because his son momo is held hostage by another person, and oden turns his back, so kaido gets the upper hand and takes out oden. In the Shells town arc, Luffy turns his back on Morgan because Coby is held hostage by helmeppo. Luffy isn't taken out because Zoro was with him, and Zoro gets the finishing blow on Morgan.

Conclusion - ZKK:
Luffy's fight with kaido will parallel his fight with morgan. If you reread it, his fight in terms of choreography is relatively similar to when luffy fights kaido when he gets the advanced conquers haki bloom. Luffy will defeat Kaido, but orochi will come up to the roof, and hold Momo hostage, which will mean luffy will have to turn his back against kaido, another parallel to oden and Kaido's fight. Kaido, taking advantage of this, will attack luffy from the back, and zoro will, in one motion, will land the finishing blow against kaido, killing him. And Luffy will punch Orochi in the face, saving Momo.

Narrative Implications:
In zoro and oden's character, their flaw is that they try to carry all of the burden, in oden's character this is noted with the burning oil, fighting ahura doji, shouldering the burden for 5 years in dancing, and fighting kaido alone on the battlefield. If someone had been with him to take care of momo, oden probably would have finished kaido then and there. Likewise, if zoro wasn't there with for luffy when coby was held at gunpoint, luffy would've been damaged badly by morgan, or coby might've been knocked out, but Luffy put his trust in zoro to split the burden and help luffy out. For zoro, you can see this flaw of shouldering the burden all by himself with staying on the cross for 30 days, taking the attack from kaido and big mom, and obviously, with the nothing happened moment, which like the 5 year dancing stuff oden did, zoro wanted no one to know what really happened. In this arc, zoro will learn to take reigns as a proper leader and know his limitations, and split the burden of taking down kaido with luffy.

Kaido:
Since kaido wants to die, people think that he actually shouldn't die because villains don't get what they want in one piece. Which would sorta make sense if that was kaido's dream, but kaido doesn't just want to die, he wants to die a grand death like roger and WB, a death that is praised by everyone and a death that kaido himself is content with. So how you deal with this is to give kaido a death that he regrets. In the flashback, kaido says he regrets what he did with the old lady about tricking oden and says he killed her, which in the context of what was going on, seemed really weird, but it showed that kaido didn't want to be dishonorable. Chekhov's gun for when he tries to use a dirty trick to his advantage, he will regret it, and die with regrets, and everyone who sees this will speak of kaido trying to use a dishonorable tactic to his advantage, which will not make his death grand at all. Tarnishing his name in the process. Also more to add to this, Kaido has been defeated plenty times before, but that hasn't stopped him from escaping jail, coming back to wano, nor has it crushed his will, so what makes it any different now if Luffy defeats him? Everyone, from the samurai, to the scabbards, Oden, Yasuie, Yamato, Zoro, Kidd, and Killer have all stated they want to kill kaido and won't be satisfied with Kaido's defeat. Plus, Kaido also wants to start the largest war, which he won't be able to participate in if he dies, and wants to find the one piece, which he also won't be able to find if he dies, so a death given to him like this would be less beneficial to him than he thinks.

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See: Pell, that old boat guy from Skypeia

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yea, didn't really mind the boat guy though because him nonchalantly popping up while his own daughter grieved his death was hilarious

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not sure if u said it but zoro beats the main villain in his introduction not luffy

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real swan
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seems reasonable

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And Zoro Gonna kill Kaido as he did with the dragon in PH

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Sure you can, plenty of people have. Being made of heat and energy in this series isn't the saving grace you'd think it is, with the exception of Big Mom's homies

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Brook coming in clutch again and beating the fire monster 🤧

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And given that there's still an ink body in there, if someone can get into it without burning they can cut it away

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Why wouldn't Usopp be tanky enough to just destroy it?

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Let's face it, this ones gonna take a distinctly Usopp solution in order to resolve.

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It's ink, they're not particularly powerful

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The problem is the fire, not the thing

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It's also something pretty easily solvable by like 4 or 5 different people

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Zoro, Kinemon, Jinbe, Usopp, King and Marco can all handle this just fine

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Kinemon, outlier for his injuries, fair. But there's no lack of ability to deal with this particular threat, it's just the people who can aren't in that area yet

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# sand sail The problem is the fire, not the thing

You aren't getting it. The damn thing isnt ink cloaked in fire or heat, it IS fire and heat, given form. The setup is clearly that Usopp is gonna hit this head on and deal with it somehow, and he just cant do it like Zoro or others can.

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Oh, this is also dealt with casually by Nami, forgot about her

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If I wanted to broaden it, I could go by just strength, in which case dozens of characters can do it. But because, like you said, it seems to be more ethereal and made of fire or something subtle, so I picked those specifically to deal with it

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Yes and all those people are HEADING TO THE LIVE FLOOR, AWAY FROM IT.

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Jinbe, fishman karate. Not even elaborating. Nami can make storms, even better with Zeus around. Zoro, cuts fire. Kinemon, cuts fire. Usopp, has more than enough tricks up his sleeve

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Bruh, it JUST got introduced. There is ONE location here. You think they can't double back, or just notice something is burning and feel the need to deal with it?

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No one's there NOW. You're acting like they've all got their final destinations set.

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Oh, I forgot actually

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Yamato's going to the where the Kazenbo is going, so she'll probably end up dealing with it

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Because a giant shadow creature made of flames is now walking around, and everyone around it is screaming about it into the intercom?

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I'd say it's more of the spread that's a threat

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They've broadcasted the thing around already, it's not a secret lol

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They are told directly all about it and what it's doing, and where it is

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What part of this makes you think no one's going to notice it?

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The fact that the allies do not have direct access to enemy comms, or if they do, Oda has not made a play with it yet. They're just gonna see all the enemies running from a different direction and think "Wow, the fire must be really raging there! Anyway, back to fighting."

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Seeing as they're sitting on a bomb, the flames need to be contained soon or kabloom everyone loses

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That's been pretty consistent

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The allies have full access to the com system too, they've used it multiple times. Information doesn't generally get lost in this raid because of it

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didn't everyone hear sanji calling for help

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Just about everything gets broadcasted to the entire mansion at once, you only miss it if you're nowhere near one of the Marys, which seems to be a difficult thing to achieve

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Yes, that's what I mean lol

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That's how Tama managed to get all the Gifters on her side too

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or was that a message to a public broadcast or w/e
oh right

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They have small Den Den Mushi, but the mass broadcasting is what they use for emergency channels and announcements like this, the small ones have only been shown for Orochi and the officers of the crew to communicate

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Otherwise, they're just blanket announcements everywhere at once

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Can't believe we're getting to the end of Onigashima

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How many chapters is Kaido vs Luffy going to be?

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Less than 6 more

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Everyone has gotten huge power spikes this Raid too

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Like usually power ups are small but these ones feel like they're a massive leap for majority of the crew.

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But I suppose that should be the case for a soon to be Yonko Crew

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Looking forward to the Banquet

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does anybody notice thee teddy bear on the plane he looks suspiciously like the teddy bear from the shinning that was giving a bj for some reason another stephen king story. Coincidence or something more i.... deduce deer boys 🧐

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;-; ok.

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The two tsundere doctors. 🙂

After One Piece, Two Piece isn't actually a sequel about Buffy's quest to become PK (he actually focuses on his studies after defeating a Germa super-android and occasionally does hero work while dating Buggy's daughter Bidel). It's actually an omake series about Law and Chopper as an 'odd couple' running a medical clinic in the New World.

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its a theory

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at least the ppl who post really bad takes here don't take them too seriously

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many are intentionally meant to be memes too

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channels like #manga tho have a bunch of extremely biased and judgmental ppl who criticize for the dumbest reasons and can't tolerate any opinion other than their own

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sorry for using the wrong channel, but I believe what I want to believe

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i'll stay in context for this channel from now on

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Is it well accepted that chopper's awakening is monster point?

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I don't think so, I haven't seen that discussion often.

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No, but people like to play around with the idea

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Now that we have Black Maria who’s done similar things, I think it’s better to lean against it

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it's a little theory i've had since impel down, but i hadn't given it thought since i thought it would be popular

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it does fit a little more now that we have stamina requirements for awakening

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Don’t really think we have that. Katakuri used it for hours and doflamingo wasn’t strained at all. These guys are just noobs

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hmmm... impel down guys were perma awakened as well

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If anything, Monster Point seems to go way beyond what Zoan Awakening can do, aside from the abnormal regeneration.

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okay... this is a little furthur out, but we still don't know chopper's fruit

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The Impel Down guards seemed to have awakened in a way that took over their humanity.

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So give chopper model Yeti or Bigfoot or something

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Human-Human Model X

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maybe it has no model

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unless Oda has plans for chopper in the future

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do you think?

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blackbeard is the only yonko who big mom can use her fruit against
Agree or not

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no

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She can use her fruit against any of them

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I think you mean only yonko she can use one specific basic function of her fruit on

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He probably wouldn’t be afraid anyway

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I mean sure BB is coward and a scumbag. But really he was just afraid of WB

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Oh.... have we seen Bepo's sulong?

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Thanks for the insight

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manga theory: the goverment disguised the one piece manga as Nyquil

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alright, i got another take

fujitora was manipulating the outcome of the dice in dressrosa using futuresight

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I don't think so? Given he trusts his decisions to the dice, I think he might as well be able to get the results he wants given he is the one rolling them. His future sight wouldn't do much since his CoO allows him to feel people's presence, not see despite is blindness.

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In lufffys awakening he becomes long long man

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Is there any clear guesses to what luffys awakening would be that is proven by real life

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Theory: bartomoleo will convert the world to mr luffyism

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This theory doesn't have a lot of evidence backing it up, but what i think is, shanks used to be a warlord. Why? For one simple reason: When he was in luffys village everyone seemed to trust him even though he was a pirate. While he could've done something to prove his worth, i don't think that's what happened, and also, garp didn't go beat shanks up, he just told luffy him not to hang out with him.

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Bruh you covered the wrong thing-

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No need for spoiler tag

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Bounce man is already a thing

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He will be able to grow and shrink with his awaken ability

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It was foreshadowed UsoppSus

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So like giant and dwarf luffy?

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I'm not spoiled on this week's upcoming chapter and I'm sure this has been suggested at some point but could king literally be Urouge?

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Not just like a related species or whatever but himself? I know they don't really fit body type, but have we seen Urouge since running into Kaido post- timeskip?

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whoops my bad. Didn't realize he had a fruit

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Becomes giant or dwarf or whatever he wants and beats people's ass

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also wing size and color is wildly different

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I skipped Sabaody my first time thru the manga and am just now getting back to it so the Supernovas are all in my head

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all the supernovas except zoro and killer have a df (and now killer does too technically)

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His brain can expand too UsoppSus

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Gomu-Gomu no Tako.

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Brain Balloon Smartman

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do we have any indication on whether the Pacifistas are Kuma clones in addition to being Cyborgs? Like I said, I'm going through sabaody and franky makes a comment that "it's not like they can just make people out of nothing" that reads more ominous given Judge and Vegapunk's connections

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Gomu-Gomu no smart taco

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the only difference now is that the original one has the DF power too

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yeah I also thought they were just robots @mint prairie and then I saw the lines about them bleeding and being part human and it got me thinking perhaps they are clones

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Oh.

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It seems reasonable. The thing is... I'm not sure if Vegapunk can actually clone people, or if they used other people for the Pacifistas. If they did, were they corpses? It seems they were alive.

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well there are the machine parts that can keep them moving

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like some technozombies

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I mean the reason I say clones is because it seems that Lineage Factor research goes back quite far, and their resemblance to Kuma gets a callout explicitly at the same time as the callout that they are cyborg

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keep in mind that that within the context of the OP world the pacifistas are some horror of morality and ethics that the Navy doesn't really want the public eye to know about

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all of the members of that old research group had not the same competence in the various fields

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and well some were just plain worse, see Caesar

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Well i thought the numbers implied that clone/genetic experiements go back to VegaJudge partnership, meaning Vegapunk could have access to some cloning, if not as good as Judge's

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VegaVin? VinPunk? Judgapunk

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I think there is some difference from engineering some creature and making straight clones

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shrug I see it as a tomayto tomahto but reasonable people can differ

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but maybe they indeed are all clones

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however I remember something about the pacifistas being other people altered to become like kuma

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but maybe it was just franky's conjecture

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after all we now know clones are possible in this world

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Pacifista have blood hinting at a biological origin...

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Has there be any clone tech teasing in one piece thus far?

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Beyond kuma i mean, something that could give validity to that theory

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i think it was directly stated also?

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not only shown in pictures

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yes

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yep and if Judge has it then im sure Vegapunk can do it too

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it seems that they were both caught doing this bioengineering

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also this indeed suggest the WG is practicing cloning on their own

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That’s the reason VP Helped Kuma! He‘s just a slave of WG

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i feel vegapunk is more of a braun type

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that has no significant moral inclination either way and just wants to do science whoever is funding it

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I think wg that scientific thingy is clones of strongest people

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Imagine Rogers and wbs clones

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well it crossed my mind that maybe weedle is a whitebeard clone that got stolen

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Whitebeards clone crossed with a racoon?

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Either a failed clone or mixed with something not a perfect clone

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I can see even his psychology is similar with whitebeards love toward family where weevil has his love for his mother

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But in a twisted way

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Cuz he's not really defective, in terms of strength, but he seems to have a kids mentality

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Do wonder why the government is going after him tho.

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Bcs he knows about the secret cloning stuff or are they chasing his mother more then him

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Maybe she is Vegapunks assistant

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Bodyguard i think

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I mean morality is defined by your psychology and upbringing

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why are there no planes

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Yeah, but it shows Vegapunk has boundaries he does not have any intention on crossing. He also has a history of actively wanting to improve people's lives, as seen in his homeland.

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there could be a scene where sanji is thinking back to how he was different to his brother, to how could they were and they never felt any remorse, but even till now, despite awakening more of his abilities, he still holds his emotions to his crew, his father (zeff) and mother.

Cause when Sanji was born, he still had his powers but that germa doctor said that his abilities disappeared or went away, and if I remember and I could be wrong, but when he andhis brother were babies, they were chaotic, but sanji was calm, smiling and Raiju saw that he was different, so even when he was born, he had those abilities but none of that chaotic or emotionless malice.

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When Sanji was born, he didn't have any powers at all. That was the problem Judge always had with him

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Oh ok, I thought there was a translation or saying that he went back to normal

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Yeh, he was failed from birth 'cause of Sora is all

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His genes were modified still, which allowed for that awakening later on, but yeah, I can from birth he didn't have it

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most likely the activation of his modified genes remained dormant - perhaps related to his emotions of acceptance to his monster brothers and wanting to be unlike them- until now

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like a post-translational modification control

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The most likely scenario is the one we're shown happened, Sora's drugs just retarded the genes for Sanji. They didn't activate until the raid suit gave him whatever boost he needed for it

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Ah also I wanted to come and ask about a different topic if its okay, what are your thoughts for what law has done to BM?

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regarding BM and Law, I had a theory a while back that the way they deal with BM (Big Mom) is psychological. It might be an awakening of her memories that she's been repressing

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This was because I didn't see how they could handle two emperors at once and I was exploring other possibilities for resolving the situation. My idea was, it may be Linlin is BMs self that she was before eating mother caramel and all the children. If you remember back she used to be sweet and we didn't see any sinister characteristics in her then only her dream of uniting everyone of all races, but after she ate mother caramel (perhaps when she got her DF, she absorbed her soul too just as it was leaving), and then perhaps thats why she became so sinister using her children for her gain like pawns just like mother caramel did. If its the case then the awakening of the memory, will make Linlin want to suppress BM, and perhaps Linlin will ally with the SHs (Tama, Chopper friendship maybe plays a part), and the BM pirates come to some amicable arrangement. Not to take away from the BM pirates and reduce them as a force to be reckoned with, but just a realignment of character and pursuits

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And now I recalled there is a ship of Big Mom Pirates that is still trying to reach the mainland

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hahaha its a rather unpopular theory, especially because they had that whole bit about Katakuri taking over in case BM falls, but lets see what happens

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Polarization of the BM crew would reduce their power a lot, Katy's side supports Luffy, the other is against that and is either hostile or neutral towards the SHs

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I can see that happening, pity though

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Kata would still be an enemy to Luffy it'd be like roger and WB's relationship

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Ahh thats true, what I should say rather than ally is Katy would honor him and so their party would be neutral to them and Perespero's hostile

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they were also enemies though, or rivals

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friendly rivalry you know, they had mutual respect

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you'd probably never see them team up unless they had the same goal and it was someone they needed help to defeat

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The latest developments reveal Roger and Whitebeard to be too much morally good to be enemies in any actual capacity

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whatever the case I think we'll just have Kata take over the crew, might not be the whole crew just because the ones in wano may be separated, but I don't imagine a civil war happening

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implying you don't think Perespero would object to Katy leading and come under him

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its a bit hard to imagine, so maybe Perespero will end here

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idk, if he's even there to oppose it I can't imagine anyone would choose him over kata

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the BMP in wano may just end up getting taken out, and then kata just takes over the stuff left in WCI, but yea even in the case that peros and the others are all there when the decision is made I doubt anyone would side with peros

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so best he could do is just go off on his own

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lets see, Kata has built up quite a reliable image and is their strongest fighter, but Peros has the brains I think, plus I imagine Kata lost some support after his recent loss. The transfer of leadership could go easily, but i can also imagine a divide happening now.

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Peros doesn't have any special brains, nothing kata doesn't have as much of. And Kata's a commander, the one the siblings look up to the most too. I doubt Kata would lose all that much support from losing to luffy, I mean now peros has just lost to neko which if anything would call for even less support for him.

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I really don't see why anyone would side with peros over kata

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even when Peros brings up the idea Daifuku immediately is like "No obviously it would be katakuri" iirc

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also, for Kidd. Now that Oda is finally upping his powers with awakening- some of the possibilities have increased probability. True he could go the Magneto route and take the iron from peoples blood for an instant kill creating a magnetic pole within their bloodstream. Another thing he can do is, and this is possible though a bit outlandish if Oda wants, hold up Onigashima. By making Onigashima one magnetic pole, and Wano the same such that they repel one another and create a lifting force which levitates the island. I think I may have mentioned it too

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idk seems like Kidd's awakening is gonna be turning people or things into magnets

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basically anyone that is more loyal to the Big Mom Empire than the family

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As for Big mom empire, Katakuri is the strongest commander lol

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and the most respected of any sibling

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instead katakuri is the big bro

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Perospero is the one who brought up the idea of taking Big mom's position in the first place

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katakuri cares about the family

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what makes you think he doesn't care about that or that people would know if he didn't

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he cares about both

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there are those who know lmao

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and they are?

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basically anyone present during the fight with luffy in the mirror world

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no one was present there, and nowhere in there did katakuri show he doesn't care about the empire

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even in the case that people think kata cares more about family than the empire, he would rule it all the same

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its not like caring about the family would mean he's not going to be a sufficient captain, they already know he's plenty good at being a commander, and the strongest one at that

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took me a while to find, but here we literally have Daifuku himself saying Kata would obviously be captain

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So yea, I think even if Peros is around to oppose, he'd be on his own

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Perespero is devious enough to plot something to slander or lower Kata's popularity even if its not true though, he may resort to those things to change the tide of favor

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sure but then we're just starting to reach, simple enough to say Kata would likely have the vast majority of the crew on his side if not everyone

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so I don't think there'd be a whole civil war

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though the idea is cool

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for example, what to do with the likes of pudding and chiffon?
perospero and kata would have very different answers and there are several BMP members with would side with one of them instead of the other

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Yea they'd side with Katakuri instead of perospero

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I don't think anyone's gonna go with perospero simply because katakuri has a different opinion on pudding or chiffon

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Katakuri's the strongest, he's a commander, he's the guy everyone respects and whatnot

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I just posted daifuku, one of the two main people you mentioned, saying katakuri would obviously be captain

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It just blew my mind what ur comments

visual merlin
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we could get into some convoluted explanation or argument that leads us to a possibility where Peros has a significant amount of support

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but I think if we keep things reasonable, katakuri's gonna have pretty much all the support

normal plume
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flambe for one may be in support for Peros now

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@pure raven I'll watch it sometime

rapid fern
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What if Aokiji come to Wano to save Robin?

sinful helm
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What if Saul comes too save her?

tropic surge
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What's the status on aokiji now? Do we believe he's completely off the marines or could he be working with kobe/x drake?

sinful helm
worn shadow
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Sanji > Zoro

normal plume
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didn't he join BB?

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or rather more of a mutually beneficial alliance which is temporary and BB and Ao-Kiji both know it

tropic surge
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What does Aokiji get out of joining BB tho

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That's partially why I'm inclining on the spy gig

sinful helm
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Bb wouldn't let him join unless he proved himself some way

tropic surge
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His fall off with akainu was well known it seemed like, should be enough

tawdry bramble
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Aokiji is a classic example of a good guy siding with the bad guy because he thinks he can topple a worse guy.

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Blackbeard was a better bet than Luffy as of Marineford. Aokiji will eventually see he’s wrong and back Luffy

rapid haven
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wasn't it only rumored that Aokiji was affiliated with BB?

digital tapir
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I mean akainu said it himself

rapid haven
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Well think about it: Akainu was the one that said it. According to his sense of justice, Aokiji leaving the marines would indicate that he is against justice, thus allying with a pirate of any kind is plausible. However, we've seen that there is more complexity to Aokiji's justice. He isn't as black and white as Akainu. He saw what BB did at Marineford, he knows he's a notorious pirate. Aokiji has a more complex motive here.

gritty ether
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secret of mariejois is the golden apple from alabasta

digital tapir
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I mean yeah he definitely has a good reason for it

rapid haven
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he spared Robin not once but twice

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Aokiji is really interesting tho. He's a mix of Fujitora, Akainu, and Kizaru. He's been through enough where he's confused about the ethics of justice, he does seem to have moral decency, but he does care about balance and stability. And he probably leans more towards the moral decency side if he was compelled enough to fight Akainu for fleet admiral.

median pecan
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How will luffy stop marines after they defeat kaido in wano

modest skiff
median pecan
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It wouldnt make sense for him to kill shanks when imm looks villian

modest skiff
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What

stiff patrol
median pecan
stiff patrol
median pecan
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Hmm

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He was bad too much worse for all pirates

acoustic helm
modest skiff
stiff patrol
acoustic helm
modest skiff
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We really don’t know his ultimate goal. If he’s doing everything to overthrow the CDs, it’s still an enormous net positive to kill ace and WB

stiff patrol
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Blackbeard handed over ace to become warlord, he did this so he could approach marineford without trouble and therefore steal whitebeard devil fruit

zinc iris
# pure raven https://youtu.be/z1BbJQxu-dA

I watched it too and well I already was expecting what it was as it's not exactly an unprecedented theory, I've seen it floating around here in the past too

It certainly would make sense, but being plausible doesn't mean it will necessarily turn out to be true

zinc iris
stiff patrol
modest skiff
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And my point is that all of that may just be in pursuit of a larger, noble goal

zinc iris
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Lafitte was going to inflitrate MF regardless because BB needed someone to open the Gates of Justice on their way back anyway

zinc iris
modest skiff
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I remain unconvinced he wants to rule, but that may be the distinction Rayleigh was prodding for when he asked Luffy what he will do when he rules as pirate king. Then he smirked when Luffy said he doesn’t want to rule

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I could imagine BB being the yin/yang dynamic of Luffy but I’m still convinced he’s seeking revenge on the CDs

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I think the CDs messed up whatever race/region BB comes from and his main goal is destroying Marie Jois

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If BB topples the CDs, he would have to do some truly awful stuff for that to be a net negative

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800 years of slavery and rape? Hard to beat that

gray creek
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Oh interesting. I always assumed BB was following Xebecs lead. However, this current “rocks revival” we’re facing fills that role of domination

modest skiff
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I think he’s following Xebec’s lead as well, but I think Xebec is the victim of propaganda

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See I’m ALSO a Xebec apologist

waxen field
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I was thinking about something

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If I'm correct Luffy gave his vivre card to the captains of the Straw Hat Grand Fleet

gray creek
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Correct. But if you’re taking this to Grand Fleet coming to Wano, I disagree

waxen field
sand sail
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Conceivably, the Grand Fleet could be around the corner and the ones who actually take on the government ships coming to annex Wano.

waxen field
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Not much time have passed since Luffy was in grave danger, So it wouldn't make sense for the Grand fleet to show up out of the sudden

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but I think it would make sense that his fleet will be on their way to him and might encounter the World Government ships

modest skiff
sand sail
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Well, if they were already on their way, the only real obstacle would be the waterfall. But if they don't know how to cross that, they'd still be sitting down there and encountering either the Big Mom pirates, the government, or both. Would be a pretty epic confrontation, haha

modest skiff
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Ever since Luffy got dumped in the ocean, IMO, it has been a guarantee that they are on their way

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Just a matter of when they arrive

waxen field
sand sail
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It could very well be, yeh. The only thing is Reverie was in the way, but two weeks should be plenty of time to go ahead and sail over

modest skiff
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The grand fleet is extremely loyal and enthusiastic. When Luffy was in the ocean, that card was likely not in very good shape lol. I imagine a lot of them were like ZeusMonka

zinc iris
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@modest skiff BB is clearly the successor of Rocks, who also wanted to topple the CDs to become King of the World in their place

If he just wanted to liberate the world, he wouldn't also try to destroy the Revolutionary Army

modest skiff
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He may want to pillage the revs for something, weaken them for something else. It’s all question marks imo

sacred hawk
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What if, along with elbaf, we get a Lunarian arc?

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Like the strawhats run into a lost colony of lunarians on an island?

gray creek
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After the ominous cliffhanger at the end of Dressrosa, I had assumed the next appearance of the fleet would be them doing something outrageous that helped spark the final war. Repelling the WG ships doesn’t sound like the “major incident” we’re expecting but it would be a huge boost to Luffy’s notoriety. Having the man himself topple Kaido and his allies defending Wano instantly catapults him to an emperor-level figure, as if just beating Kaido isn’t enough

mint prairie
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If the Grand Fleet arrives at Wano, that would the the moment they sailed off.

waxen dust
sand sail
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But the fleet still seemed to make no move toward him, not even mentioning it once we see a few members at Reverie

modest skiff
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I wonder if vivre cards reflect the user being under water, that could be an extra scary/motivating situation

mint prairie
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I've been having the idea that post-Wano will be a time of intense change and the tempo will pick up once the Yonkou power balance gets destroyed and CP0 unsuccessfully attempts to subdue the people Luffy and company just fought to liberate from Kaidou. So I believe the battle of Onigashima will set the Grand Fleet into motion for a later meet-up. It doesn't even have to be at Elbaf, but there has to be a particular point in which the fleet starts making a move.

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Nearly dying in Luffy v. Kaidou II and the possible near death state he'll reach in Luffy v. Kaidou III are a perfect cue for the fleet.

timid bane
mint prairie
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They still need to know what to do, and that would require them to meet-up with Luffy via Vivre Card. The soonest would be at post-Wano in a time of catching up with world news. Maybe the arrival of the Grand Fleet will be the means by which they'll find out about the Reverie and the move against the Ouka Shichibukai.

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And possibly we'll get to know more about what exactly happened during the Reverie.

plush pike
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Sooo, we all think now that Yamato will stop Kanjuro's flame monster now right? Seems to be her fight for the raid.

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I honestly thought that Orochi would go directly, but this is so much better.

mint prairie
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Kuma/Bonnie, Sabo & Revolutionary Army Commanders, and the Nefertari family are still plot threads we don't know anything about yet.

mint prairie
plush pike
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Don't forget we don't what Caribou will do with the information that Shirahoshi is Poseidon.

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That's probably going to be a huge plot thread

mint prairie
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Yeah, but Caribou knowing about Shirahoshi is not something the Strawhats need to catch up with. Sabo and the Nefertaris are important things Luffy should know about ASAP.

plush pike
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Oh yeah for sure

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I don't know though, a lot of things are probably going down at once after Wano is done, and I don't think the ancient weapons are going to be left out of it.

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I still think it's a bit weak if Oda doesn't let Kaido and Big Mom discover at least one ancient weapon before their alliance ends with Kaido's defeat. I don't know what will happen, but Luffy is not one to kill his enemy, so maybe Kaido will escape with Big Mom from Wano, and ally themselves with Blackbeard or something to create New Rocks Pirates or something.

I still think Uranus has something to do with Momonosuke and Zunisha, because if you think about Zunisha's potential for destruction, and you compare it to say, a buster call, it's not very unreasonable to say that Zunisha is magnitudes stronger, and it did an unspeakable crime sometime in the past, and if this is not connected to the void century, I don't know what is.

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Plus it would make it so we have one ancient weapon in Alabasta, protected by the royal family, one underneath the Red Line, protected by a royal family, and one in Wano, protected by the shogunate which is the Japanese equivalent. All ancient allies of Joy Boy probably.

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Which would make it much more interesting if Momonosuke called for Zunisha to come help stop Onigashima. It would put an ancient weapon within the reach of two emperors.

plush pike
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I think it would be kind of lame if Kaido and Big Mom professed they were going after the ancient weapons, and then nothing coming of it ever.

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Of course, if Zunisha had the power to affect the weather or something, it makes sense why we have not seen that in the story yet, since Zunisha cannot use its power without Momonosuke saying so

pure raven
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After Luffy beats Kaido, Lucci will 1 shot him

vestal orbit
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another cp0 kills kaido conspiracy theorist LETSBUGGINGGO

rare rose
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Anyone feel like there's a 2nd awakening for devil fruits. It just make sense

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Something about becoming the fruit devil itself maybe

wet meteor
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Idk if this was discussed but personally I think that Uranus is Dragon’s df. The ability to control the weather

proud tree
sick spear
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If there ends up being some sort of plot twist with Luffy's heritage and family I'M taking credit. Blockheads always shut down those theories immediately. Don't understand why

near osprey
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I just think from a narrative perspective it is the greatest way to make them relevant while also switching the focus to BB

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Plus the little hints left here and there pointing to that being a possible reality.

wet perch
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I wonder if awakening is fruit dependent and not user. Like, each fruit has a minimum requirement, be it haki or whatever, to awaken. Maybe Luffy’s fruit is really high up there.

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Maybe it depends on previous owners, too. Sort of an Avatar thing. Surpass the previous users

near osprey
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Okay I just came up with a theory regarding Zoro

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I think at some point in time Zoro will have a 1v1 with Kaido.

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I personally think it'd be the perfect opponent for him to surpass before he takes on Mihawk

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and this is when I think Kaido will die.

summer jasper
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And then boom, zoro is king of the pirate and takes on the WG by himself, win, then go over to dragonball and slap everyone

visual merlin
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Powerscaling aside the circumstances don't align at all for that to happen

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and from the powerscaling perspective why is he surpassing Kaido before Mihawk as if Mihawk is notably or significantly stronger, and why is he stronger than luffy?

waxen light
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Holy... Mihawk > Kaido is a thing?

near osprey
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I think I could personally see it as something he does if they do end up with another run in with Kaido

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I personally think it would be something he'd consider a test of strength of sorts because a fight with Kaido is a test of strength you can not win this unless you can match him and no one can.

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and that kind of challenge seems like something that would interest Zoro

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Because he just started to peak who knows where he'll end up on the power scale near the final arc

visual merlin
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Im fairly confident Kaido would never downgrade to fighting luffy's subordinate

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he most likely will not be alive, let alone alive and come back to be a huge issue for the strawhats after wano

near osprey
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It'd be a symbolic moment as well because Zoro has Enma it'd give closure to Oden's story as Enma was his sword.

visual merlin
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And even if he did he'd definitely be fighting luffy again

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Any story with oden is already gonna be fulfilled here too

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When we have a character like kaido who's already at the pinnacle of strength and we see whats happening in wano with luffy

near osprey
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Yeah but this is a continuation of that assuming Kaido doesn't die in Wano he will still show back up later on

visual merlin
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in the super super super unlikely chance that he shows back up as a big problem for the strawhats, there's no way he wouldn't be fighting luffy

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in part due to the fact that kaido is stronger than mihawk, and isn't a swordsman by any stretch of the word

near osprey
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Now Luffy may be more interested in fighting someone else and someone has to handle Kaido i'd see Zoro being the first to step up to the plate.

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Yes but I feel like he'd want to prove to himself that he is even stronger than Kaido

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I still think even if he takes on Mihawk after, the fight between Zoro and Mihawk would still be more intense.

visual merlin
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why though, kaido isn't a swordsman, and kaido's like the strongest person alive

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that's more impressive than beating mihawk lol

near osprey
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Exactly that's why Zoro would fight him

visual merlin
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??

near osprey
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Kaido is the strongest person alive

visual merlin
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Kaido's stronger than mihawk, why would the story have zoro 1v1 and beat him

visual merlin
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if there's anyone fighting the strongest, it's luffy

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at that point is zoro stronger than luffy?

near osprey
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No because we're not certain exactly where Blackbeard and Akainu sit

visual merlin
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they're probably weaker than kaido

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even if they're somehow stronger, its not going to be by a lot

near osprey
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and wsit Mihawk would trade blows with Shanks all the time Mihawk wouldn't be much off from Kaido himself

visual merlin
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they did that 12+ years ago

near osprey
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Okay but you clearly see the lengths you have to go to be the strongest swordsman

visual merlin
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you don't have to beat someone stronger than the strongest swordsman

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or someone who's just not a swordsman

waxen light
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To think Zoro would have to surpass Kaido in order to fighting Mihawk is strange to say the least. I get that Mihawk is strong but this is worded like he's stronger than Kaido and he has to prove he's up for it by beating him lol

near osprey
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Well let's assume Mihawk is the final foe for Zoro I think we can all agree on that?

visual merlin
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Needs to be a million stretches for this to work out. That Kaido lives, that he lives and is still around as an enemy, that he ends up facing off against the strawhats again, that he does that while there's an even stronger enemy for luffy to face, that there is anyone stronger than kaido, that mihawk is also stronger than kaido, etc

visual merlin
near osprey
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and Luffy was able to peak enough to fight Kaido after his fight with Katakuri??

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Well he had to learn Ryuo too but you know what I mean

visual merlin
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He was able to beat kaido with a bunch of help and 2 powerups in between

near osprey
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Zoro is currently fighting King right now, whom has a higher bounty so with that in mind we can possibly assume King is slightly stronger

visual merlin
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than who?

near osprey
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Katakuri

modest skiff
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Mihawk is the same as Garp for me, I just put a big question mark next to their power

visual merlin
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strength is a factor in bounty, its not the whole thing

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I wouldn't assume he's stronger than katakuri

near osprey
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Okay then same level would be safer as their both First Mates on Kaido and Big Moms ship

visual merlin
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sure

near osprey
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Alright with that in mind Zoro is clearly going to beat King this isn't an arc where they lose at the last second obviously, so considering how quickly Luffy grew after his fight with Katakuri it not too far fetched to assume Zoro isn't really that much farther behind Luffy like obviously Luffy will remain stronger every step of the way but it's not like Zoro is that much farther behind.

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Luffy already beat Kaido it seems like something Zoro would want to claim for himself as well.

visual merlin
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zoro is quite a bit farther behind, and again, Luffy is going to beat kaido with tons of help

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and no, zoro isn't going around trying to 1 up Luffy's accomplishments

near osprey
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I see it as a situation where Luffy first says he'll take care of Kaido he already beat his ass once and Zoro will step in and say no I'll handle him and Luffy will be like alright and move back on with the original plan.

waxen light
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Yeah you're really underselling how many fighters have been rotating in and out of this fight. Luffy will probably be broken at the end and just barely clutch it but you want Zoro to 1v1 and beat him 😭 😭

near osprey
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In this one of many possibilities

visual merlin
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right but why

pulsar flicker
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I dont think he's too far behind, they have different types of strenght

visual merlin
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This just sounds like a fan fiction to me

near osprey
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Because personally I think if Kaido would die, I think it'd be best to be at the hands of Zoro

pulsar flicker
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While you can say that Luffy overrall is more powerful, Zoro excels in things Luffy doesn't

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And vice versa

visual merlin
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and so we go through all these leaps and loops to find a situation where zoro kills kaido

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I think at that point, even if we were to say it'd be best at zoro's hands, that it just won't happen

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and we can be sad that zoro didn't kill him

near osprey
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Well considering Zoro's possible Wano Heritage and the fact he has Enma if Kaido would end up dying at the end it'd be best for Zoro to do it.

visual merlin
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luffy's significantly stronger, we don't need them to have the same fighting style to figure that out

pulsar flicker
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We all know hiyori is going to deal the final blow to Orochi, so logically the person to land the final blow on kaido should be momo, to avenge his father

near osprey
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That's assuming he dies in wano

pulsar flicker
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How idk

visual merlin
pulsar flicker
near osprey
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Alright well I'm about to get into a movie maybe we can pick thos back up later on

pulsar flicker
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Actually momo dealing the final blow would make the most sense storywise

waxen light
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This notion that Zoro has enma and would close out Oden's story is easily answered with just freeing Wano. That's the conclusion to Oden's story. Doesn't need enma being the thing to end his life.

sacred hawk
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Am I the only one who thinks Kaido doesn't necessarily need to die at the end of the arc?

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Because the WG ships will move in if Kaido actually ends up being defeated, so there is a way to remove him if he gets beaten

runic gate
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Any theories on next arc after wano?? LuffyNose

bitter kraken
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If kaido dies it will be after a trial of sorts by wano, momo will give him his sentence but they gotta do it fast right after he gets beat so he dosnt have time to recover and escape. Best choice is wrap him in sea stone and throw him in the ocean RiP

crude turtle
bitter kraken
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Yeah after all kaido has done he won’t get what he wants, he’ll be shamed like he did Oden

random zealot
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Based on Sanjis New PowerUp and Durability what’s the strongest attack you think he can take

crude turtle
random zealot
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Eh Zoro Didn’t fully block that law moved him and he still was out of battle I think Sanji would be in the same boat but I think he’d be on life support

crude turtle
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I'm fairly confident Oda is moving Zoro and Sanji to be the Sword and Shield of Luffy, so I feel like Sanji's much more durable then Zoro is

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he might not be in good shape, but I don't think he'd need help like Zoro did

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plus he's got regeneration

karmic gulch
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do you guys think conqueror haki is hereditary?

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like roger and ace and kaido / yamato, they have conq haki

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and we dont know abt garp and monkey, but they could have it

crude turtle
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I'd be very surprised if Garp didn't have it

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he went against Roger in his prime

karmic gulch
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xebec surely too

proud crystal
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true...
i can hardly see a conquerer being happy having to answer to others in the military, but he did rise to right where he'd have as much freedom as possible w/o answering to the dragons
but he doesn't strike me as the type tbh...he might just be that powerful

vestal orbit
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sengoku was more obedient than garp but he still had conqueror's haki

karmic gulch
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luffy is a man of miracles (and with that he will defeat kaido, with a miracle):

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What i mean with that? Luffy is a boy than since he started his journey, he only bring impossible things

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Like what things? Make grow flowers in a frozen land, bring rain once more in a desert, bringing the truth to a "fake city", defying the world and win, and again winning against his own shadow, breaking in the most secure prision and escape alive, making the people in a city manipulated by a crazy awake, and now he will open a closed country with closed culture

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What this has relation? Luffy will be the one, not only to kill the unkillable beast, but he always has defied his destiny, this is well known, the D is the simbol of the strong will, but luffy not only has strong will, he always has the miracle on his side

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The own ivankov said it back in impel down, the own "MIRACLE person" had said than luffy is a guy than only brings miracles whatever he walks

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Plus, remember hawkins cards? well, hawkins card are the same, and he checks it, but the things always stay the same, the destiny of everybody cant be changed... But luffy? HE challenged the cards of hawkins, the cards than never failed, not only once but twice (with hawkins getting the tower card, that one than he never get before, meaning the destroy of the old things and the rise of the new ones, but x-drake going to die and he will die, no matter what, he was going to die, but he called luffy, and he was saved)

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and the tower card: it is the one than only brings change, and doffy said it in mocktown, the old garbage will vanish and only the worth one will stay

gloomy canyon
# crude turtle he might not be in good shape, but I don't think he'd need help like Zoro did

That attack is the strongest physical attack we've seen in the series. Even with Sanji's durability powerup I don't think he's taking the whole thing at all. That's probably blowing things a bit too out of proportion. Just blocking the initial brunt of the attack was enough to completely shatter Zoro's body. Keep in mind, Queen's Brachisnakeus attack was enough to shatter Sanji's body as well even when his body had been altered. Yeah Sanji has some good regenerative abilities now but I'm sure there's enough force and pressure in Hakai to completely destroy anyone. Like do we think Sanji's siblings could take it as well? If Sanji can survive the full force of the strongest attack in the series, then what could possibly take him down? I think Sanji's new enhancements need to be shown more so people can get a clearer idea of its limits. I'm personally of the mindset that the only people who could even survive the full force of Hakai would be Kaido and BM themselves

vestal orbit
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this isn't a theory nearly as much as it is something that can help others with their own theories, but i just realized that the Tower of Babel is probably connected to the Void Century

One Piece already has some judeochristian themes i.e. fruit of the devil, Eve, Adam, etc

in the Tower of Babel the people attempt to build a tower to the heavens to boast of their power and all that, God strikes them down for their impudence, and the people's language is confounded and they're scattered all across the earth

during the Void Century, the most powerful kingdom in existence, the Ancient Kingdom is struck down by the 20 Kingdoms and the world of One Piece is full of countless different cultures, different races, different levels of technology, different everything, even the islands seem to be torn apart and the world itself seems to be artificially created

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ofc we don't know for certain that the world became this way over the Void Century, but I think these are some parallels that can't be ignored

sacred hawk
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What if Kid's power isn't actually controlling metal? What if it's just magnetizing his own body to attract or repel metal, rather than full on metal telekinesis

grizzled fog
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Attracting or repelling metal shouldn’t really allow him to make some of the things he does, namely punk rotten, that giant mech seems too complex for that

sacred hawk
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The thing is, if awakening allows your power to affect other objects, and Kid's awakening turns other objects magnetic, then wouldn't that mean the base version of his power is just magnetizing his own body?

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Though you have a point. Kid also wouldn't have been able to make that box to trap Zeus with just Repel and Attract

grizzled fog
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I see your point though, it’s possible that is actually what he’s doing, it just seems like he shouldn’t be able to do complex constructs with just pushing and pulling

dreamy rune
wary fossil
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Kidd has the magnetic fruit. He can make complex structures with it because this is a fantasy story where a rubber man is about to beat a dragon demon/giant.

orchid heart
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It will be oden (yamato) who will get rid of orochi for good

sinful helm
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Ffs Yamato's role model is Oden that doesn't make him Oden and it would have been better for Momo too end Orochi

split glacier
tropic surge
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If anything, I'd like any of the scabbards to end orochi... But at least Yamato was present the day of the boiling, so that's enough of a silver lining if it were to happen

sinful helm
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It will be something he will regret forever

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If he doesn't do it do i don't like it being anyone else then him

earnest atlas
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luffy will beat kaido and then kaido will join straw hats

split glacier
digital lodge
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best crew eva

plucky kiln
# earnest atlas luffy will beat kaido and then kaido will join straw hats

I feel like the only way to get rid of Kaido is either by killing him or by breaking his will so hard that kaidos complete character changes and how Luffy "conquers" him. I dont like the idea of luffy just beating him and he will disappear from the story, but I cant accept kaido working with luffy, not after all he has done

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but imagine after Luffy becomes the pirate king, the yonko respect him and work along him against their common enemy, the WG

wintry lake
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I’m pretty sure next chapter will be cp0 movements, also we could see the start to defeat of QUEEN

dense carbon
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not everyone needs to ally with Luffy. It would be kinda boring if he had no enemies at all besides the wg

plucky kiln
dense carbon
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yeah I know, but just because Luffy beats someone doesnt mean they should turn into an ally later on. I wouldnt even consider Enel a threat at all though now.

amber trout
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Guys guys hear me out what if luffy dies and then God Ussop becomes pirate king

fathom matrix
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I am very interested and kinda glad that some paramecia fruit awakenings aren't just area of effect based, but Law and Kidd's are good examples of diverse types.

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This may open the door for a LOT of different ones

wicked cairn
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#manga-theories message

I am going to affirm my belief that Punk Rotten is solely a transformation that Kidd uses to regenerate his other transformations used with it, for example Punk Vice. It is more of a defensive ability then offensive, because it first of all it puts a cap on his mobility since he has to be in the skull to make use of its defensive prowess(unless punk rotten can fight on its own or be controlled remotely, which is definitely possible given it is one piece.)

But being inside the skull isn't necessarily a bad thing because it is basically armor to Kidd. But if the Skull gets destroyed, Kidd loses both transformations, Punk Rotten itself and whatever transformation he attached to Punk Rotten(Punk Vice in the rooftop case.), and in which case if he wants to use Punk Vice again he would have to apply it to himself or resurrect Punk Rotten again.

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To me it brings light to why Kidd swapped to a weaker, yet far more mobile and incredibly metal efficient form on the rooftop, Punk Pistols. Punk Pistols seems to be the contra to the Punk Rotten, most notably using far less metal to sustain the transformation.

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Punk Rotten couldn't protect Kidd from Big Mom's lightning and her lightning homies. While it could definitely do something against Prometheus, and maybe help Kidd tank direct hits from Napoleon, It is pointless to use if any damage could easily be circuited to Kidd

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Think I went off a bit, but either Oda made a mistake or he actually left it there in 1030, notice Punk Rotten's disembodied Punk Vice transformation after it and Kidd got hit with Ikoku Sovereignty

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It's skull is still in tact in one of the panels shown, and it looks like it has regenerated Punk Vice, and even seems to be whole again by the time it hit the ground, but it isn't controlled

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gray flower
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Im just gonna say this here, I strongly believe based on what we’ve seen before; Buggy has not stopped developing his muggy ball technology.

Now that his connections run deep he probably has the means to make them genuinely terrifying and they were already at the level where they’d leave marks on awakened zoan types. So yeah I think Buggy might be hiding away something really impressive. All in all yonko Buggy still has a chance, you heard me right haterz (but please don’t go on a 1000 word dissertation on why yonko buggy won’t happen, this is just an added moot point)

prime bluff
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I have a theory momonuske is uranus

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He can see everything and talk to zunisha like giant animals

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He is the commander in the big war

zinc iris
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shirahoshi was a fucking mistake, now everyone tries to shoehorn ancient weapons as people despite the very established fact that Pluton was a man-made warship

runic gate
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Is vergo died or alive KatakuriThink

quasi roost
runic gate
quasi roost
tawdry bramble
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They’ll be confirmed alive eventually.

runic gate
tawdry bramble
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Even Ace and Whitebeard will come back when we find out devil fruit users who die are actually trapped in hell by the devil and Luffy has to rescue them.

zinc iris
soft vale
near osprey
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Personally could see him trying to take refuge on Shanks ship

summer jasper
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He wont become a yonko before Con D Oriano

rapid oar
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im confused how do the spoilers actual come to fruition

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does someone have a camera watching oda or something

plush pike
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Scans in some countries come out in other languages before English, like Korean.

oak plover
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So do we have any connection between Muggy Kingdom and Muggy Ball? Because how great would it be if Buggy has some stupid complicated background

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Love me some stupid-complicated backgrounds

rapid oar
oak plover
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people who speak the earlier-released scans, I'm guessing?

summer jasper
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So they scans them and post them early, even tho its illegal

scenic thicket
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u guys r gonna be confused when it turns out theres someone more powerful than Im

oak plover
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I gotta say "tiny Im" is a take I haven't heard yet

glossy owl
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Tontatta or smthn, tiny people

oak plover
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Aw, Imu with a cutesy voice

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Snuff owt da light of Pwincess Vivi

green remnant
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Teach > all

cyan berry
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@rapid oar keep all your posts serious here

sly juniper
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wait I can't believe this only just now came to mind, but

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With the gargantuan scale of Onigashima and the fire that is currently engulfing it, I was thinking about how it could possibly be put out

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we found out Zunesha's been headed to Wano all along, for this moment. It aims it trunk at Onigashima and unleashes an ungodly amount of seawater across the entire island. Problem solved

rapid oar
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and kills everyone in the process

rapid oar
cyan berry
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I worry for you then

sly juniper
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feel like Zunesha's gotta show up soon though

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During the climax. Just torn on whether it's gonna be the climax of Onigashima or during the final war or something

boreal mist
sly juniper
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thanks :)

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a textbook case of Chekhov's elephant

exotic echo
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have been saying this for quite a while now, but this plot thread is still unresolved. zunesha can very readily have a role in wano, and with a gigantic fire like this it creates a good reason (after the previous guess was that zunesha would stop the island somehow, before momo got aged up)

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those questions momo wanted to ask, if he did end up asking them, were offscreened. this took place shortly before luffy & gang left zou

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the answers to these are, in my estimation, either something momo figured out on Zou or in Oden's logbook somehow

sly juniper
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yeah I can see the answers being in the logbook if Oden, too, could communicate with Zunesha. I'd also love to find out who ordered it to walk in the first place/what it did to receive such a punishment

wet perch
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Wonder if it’s related to whoever the Onigashima skull is from

fierce sapphire
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whoa now that you noticw
the eyes of zunisha and of onigashima skull look alike

sly juniper
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I think the main difference is that Zunesha's eyes aren't actually hollowed out. They're still there, they're just deep within the skull eye hole thingy

round heron
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Just a fun side theory. But I feel like there’s a weird star crossed lovers gone wrong backstory between vinsmoke judge and sanji’s mother, Sora, because I feel like there is no way that it’s a coincidence that she has the same name as “Sora, Warrior of the Sea”, who was a marine hero who fought Germa in the north blue comics that law mentioned.

dusky notch
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Drake might backstab apoo, giving him a chance to get alliance's trust. And giving apoo the taste of his own medicine

pure raven
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wher tf is vasco shot after timeskip he wasnt on beehive island

frozen loom
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theory: rocks d xebec actually had the straw hat luffy, shanks and roger wielded but roger stole it when he killed rocks

drowsy marsh
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Didnt we saw roger with a strawhat before he was a pirate. In a Rayleigh flashback?

cyan berry
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People really make theories without even bothering to back them up in the slightest huh

oak pine
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I like the theory of rocks being dragons father and therefore luffys other grandpa. did you already discuss that? I mean the silhouette of rocks face fits dragons, dont you think?

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sorry for not backing it up further, there was a video about it

pure raven
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garp is dragons father, it was mentioned a lot of times, only other possibility he is his maternal grandpa, since oda already mentioned we had seen luffys mom in the series so something might link it up

rugged cove
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its straw hat

rustic granite
gray creek
ashen plaza
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Knowing Garp, Dragon was probably a Marine but...something happened..I assume something angered Dragon

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It's probably a Celestial Dragon doing stupid stuff to civilians

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Then Dragon killed a CD or CDs...Dragon should be talented like Aokiji and co ..and they should have similar ages btw

gray creek
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I’ve been on the maternal grandpa Garp train since MF for fun, but the Xebec theory could give us a decent reason for it being true, maybe.

The one bit of Ohara’s mess of a theory I find interesting enough to speculate on is the significance of Ace being born of two separate D’s. Ace was definitely deemed by some of people who were in the know as the next Joyboy. Could be there’s something about his peculiar lineage to do with that, and Luffy having the D from Monkey family and Rocks could have him hitting the same requirements

vale wedge
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so is kaido even a threat? The arc's big bad has a 0 body count

pure raven
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Lol what

fast kiln
pure raven
pure raven
thick sky
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Except Marineford and WCI

pure raven
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Ppl out here really counting a yonko as a threat if he has a body count or not

rough ferry
pure raven
radiant blade
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There's no way a yonkou with an entire pirate crew is on cp0

prime bluff
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I have a theory about luffy awakening
And It ll blow your mind

plucky ingot
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manga theories

acoustic helm
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Found a contradiction to my hypothesis

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prime bluff
pure raven
acoustic helm
sinful helm
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They scared her bcs katakuri beat them up

gray creek
hasty palm
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Whitebeard
Gold D Roger
Oden
Ace etc

sturdy hound
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Don’t mention other series specifics here

hollow grotto
sinful helm
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tbh im suprised they dont burn the bodies of dead people

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and whitebeards body isnt that much special if we are being honest his will devil fruit and skill were what made him a monster

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unlike some beings like Orr and giants

gray creek
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Even still, there’s something about having the corpse of a strong guy like WB. I think it makes them better equipped to handle a talented shadow. Otherwise why go to the trouble of getting Ryuma’s corpse if it’s won’t have his haki or swordsmanship or anything

pure raven
sinful helm
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im not saying it isnt bad but in life i think Ryuma was stronger then Orr but as zombie Orr is stronger then Ryuma

gray creek
pure raven
sinful helm
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lmao

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Sakazuki is Usopps grandson more sense then your theory

hollow grotto
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I'm not sure myself if I subscribe to the idea or not, but iirc, nothing debunks it and burning speculation just because you can say there's nothing to back it up contradicts what this chat is meant for... I would like that theories have substance and evidence from the manga but just let people make their theories, they aren't harming anyone god

alpine forge
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Which is better combo as per their DF? Bb vs sabo or bb vs kizaru

bitter kraken
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Per DF ace already lost to Bb so the mera dosnt put work in, and in Marineford kizaru couldn’t freeze WB’s quakes so BB beats both those fruits if it’s just fruits

tired valve
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Say doflamingo didnt get taken down by luffy and the warlords still got abolished, wouldnt doflamingo have one of the highest bounties if not the highest in the show considering bounties are based of threat to the WG and he knows about the treasure in marie joa which would just fuck up the WG if word about it got out

cobalt igloo
sinful helm
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Still Robin higher

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If we going for threat levels by knowledge

pure raven
tired valve
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Ok yeah true

stray rain
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Big Brain

pure raven
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Well they will do the same with doffy

vale loom
round heron
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I have a theory similar to one someone mentioned above, that dragon was a marine that quit due to some kind of incident. He is about the same age as the other admirals and his power, assuming it’s something related to wind or storms, would fit in well with the natural forces/elemental type theme of the other admirals powers (ice before aokiji left, magma, light, gravity). Maybe he was on track to become a high ranking marine but something changed.

low swallow
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I believe Emerald City is the home of one of the wiped out races. The three eyed tribe

hasty palm
trim ledge
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I completely forgot

split glacier
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Regarding the resurrection of dead characters (this channel was stuck on old messages for me), Oda doesn't like bringing back dead characters to life. This is something he's said he hates/dislikes a lot in stories. It was in some SBS in the past. Oda ain't using anyone to resurrect characters fully or partially to have a main focal point in the story.

trim ledge
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BTW something interesting I was stuck on is that Law doesn't have a goal. Like he is just with Luffy for no reason right now. Why in the first place did he want to defeat Kaido? What will happen to the alliance after Kaido? I would love to see them continue traveling together, but don't think thats going to happen.

calm leaf
split glacier
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His original goal was killing/beating Doffy and since then he hasn't really had a new goal stated. His crew isn't good enough for much else honestly. I doubt any of them could beat Usopp.

gentle lily
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will kinemon slash the fire demon?

split glacier
drowsy marsh
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I thought law could maybe get some flying six members, but as he has not interacted with them. I don't think it is likely.

split glacier
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Hawkins would be good if he's not dead

drowsy marsh
sand sail
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Big Mom would have to actually go to the explosives for that to happen

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I figured that's what would take Kaido down, but maybe they could use it for her instead.

gentle lily
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which chapter coming up is wordplay for suicide?

reef solstice
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1032 i believe

drowsy marsh
pure raven
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Hm i wonder if the One Piece world was actually a supercontinent at one point

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pangaea

Pangaea

Pangaea or Pangea ( ) was a supercontinent that existed during the late Paleozoic and early Mesozoic eras. It assembled from earlier continental units approximately 335 million years ago, and began to break apart about 175 million years ago. In contrast to the present Earth and its distribution of continental mass, Pangaea was centred on the Equ...

sand sail
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^ I like that thought. Haven't seen anyone suggest it before, but it's awesome

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We always see the whole what if the seas were supposed to be one thing, and the Red Line stopped it, but what if the islands were actually the ones that were mostly connected before?

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This'd have to be longer than the void century back though

zinc iris
# trim ledge BTW something interesting I was stuck on is that Law doesn't have a goal. Like h...

actually he got some recently
after doflamingo's downfall is main goal of revenge was accomplished, and agreed to fight kaido to keep his end of the bargain and because he also kinda wants to become PK (but not that strongly I guess?)
however he became interested in the D thing because of what Corazon and Doflamingo said about his heritage, so now his goal is unraveling that mystery, which aligns with the current predicament

ripe geyser
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Anyone else here know that Yuderon predicted the exact chapter when Jinbe would come back in Wano?
Apparently he thinks there’s wordplay for chapter 1031…

clever lintel
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So I feel like there's an Occam's Razor when it comes to the awakening of the Soul Fruit. I think being able to take other people's souls requires awakening the fruit as we did not see Carmel or Linlin as a child only use their own souls for homies. She ate her fruit when she was 6. However, we do not know how old Linlin is in the image of her early career where she could have stolen the soul of the king she's holding. It is certainly well before she was 28 in Rocks's crew. Law is 26 and ate his fruit when he was 13.

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Law awakened his fruit at some point in 13 years.

ripe geyser
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What would Brook’s awakening do?

clever lintel
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It may have to do with the ability to extend his soul and affect things outside of his body. He certainly can use it to affect his sword and to fight the homies. But it remains to be seen what's for certain until it's stated in the story or from Oda.

mint prairie
ripe geyser
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Nobody’s a prophet, getting a prediction right with OP is kinda a stroke of luck

raw grotto
raw grotto
mint prairie
# raw grotto what wordplay?

I can't recall the Japanese for it, but the puns he has found for a while are Heavenly Disaster (10 = Ten = Heaven), and Genius (10-3-1 = Ten-sa-i = Tensai).

rapid haven
pure raven
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Rocks D Xebecs real first name isn't actual Xebec

prime wing
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Do you guys think Luffy will finish off Kaido?

ripe geyser
pure raven
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Yo isn't this theories

ripe geyser
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Yeah let’s stay on theories

prime wing
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I think he will weaken Kaido but won’t beat Kaido

pure raven
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Yeah so let's cut this spoiler chat type conversation

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Luffy is gonna beat kaidou

prime wing
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I don’t think so

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We have several more arcs to go through if he beats Kaido then the next antagonist won’t seem as strong, I think Luffy will weaken Kaido but cp0 finishes Kaido off

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Like a Marvel situation, they can’t top Thanos as an antagonist

ripe geyser
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Let’s save fight results for another channel

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Personally I believe this channel is more meant for story elements

prime wing
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Wdym what channel would this go under then?

pure raven
sand sail
ripe geyser
prime wing
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Okay

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Talking about this seems more like a theory to me but if you think it fits #manga more then I’ll talk there

modest skiff