manga-theories

[pearl wagon]

So the big question is will laugh tale be a long arc where they fight shanks, or will it just be get to laugh tale and series over

When the pirate ninja samurai mink alliance kills kaido, blackbeard will come for kaidos fruit, that's my guess

[sand sail]

That can't really happen unless he's already on his way though. Which he could be, but unless he's concluded whatever business he was working on before, it's not too likely

[pure raven]

BB is smart, he will show up when everybody is weakened

[pearl wagon]

Yeah, an exhausting fight is done, but suddenly a black gas like substance flows through the air, and a fruit becomes a devil fruit. There appears blackbeard, and eats the fruit

Anyways, normally i don't agree with oharas theories, but this new one about blackbeard being 3 people is actually good

[nimble thistle]

When you think 'Pirates nemesis' you think either "Military" or "Kraken". At least, I do. There's a thing to be said about Gold too, but that aside because Treasure seems to be a thing only petty Pirates are interested in when in regards to OP.

Nobody thinks "Dragon". The Kraken is a hugely Pirate-themed mythological beast. And the Kraken we saw at Fishman Island wasn't even a toddler sized Sea KING that Shirahoshi summoned to the Noah. Sure, it was a Kraken, and it was indeed a mythological beast, but a Zoan DF doesn't have to follow that existing mold 100%.

A Zoan will also allow a hybrid form.

In addition, Blackbeard being as cunning as he is, I'm sure will come up with some roundabout weird way to be able to swim if that's at all an issue (Hasn't been for quite some time now.)

[nimble thistle]

It's not exactly a new theory, but it's what makes the most sense. There's so much evidence to support that Blackbeard more than likely does have 3 persona, lives, etc.

[pearl wagon]

Yeah, luffy and zoro in jaya arc said

Luffy: It's not he
Zoro: It's they most likely

[sand sail]

All pirates are interested in gold, it's just something that goes unsaid in the series because it's just a thing. They talk about it all the time, it's brought up pretty consistently.

As for the kraken, sure, the fruit wouldn't have to follow the creature. But it's not going to be far off enough to make it any better than the Uo Uo. Pretty much that's just the thing, a kraken fruit wouldn't be all that impressive in front of the strongest dude in the world's power.

[pearl wagon]

I think blackbeard has DID, but he can control it, not him fusing with his 2 other brothers

[sand sail]

The Zoro/Luffy thing at Jaya couldn't be referring to him having multiple people/personalities, though

[pearl wagon]

I thought they were referring to his personalities.

[sand sail]

That wouldn't really fit with the story, tho. Zoro and Luffy wouldn't somehow simultaneously possess some unique sense that the entirety of the marines, the Whitebeard pirates, Jinbe and the rest don't

Blackbeard was not a hidden figure, he spent more time around people who weren't Luffy and Zoro than with them. For those two to notice something that the most powerful, most veteran fighters in the series did not for 20 years straight, and when they'd just met him, wouldn't really make sense

[nimble thistle]

No, the lesser, ordinary pirates are interested in Gold. You know, the ones that Luffy, the Supernovas, etc are always stomping all over to get to where they are now? The ones that are inconsequential to the story and are merely stepping stones for the actually ambitious.

[sand sail]

No, everyone is interested in gold

[nimble thistle]

No, not everyone is.

[sand sail]

No, literally everyone. Verbatim, every single pirate in the series either has a direct interest in, or acknowledges a need for and therefore pursues, gold

Up to and including the 4 Emperors

[nimble thistle]

Every single Pirates acknowledges that there is a baseline necessity for funding. MOST Pirates think gold is the end-all-be-all to 'treasure'. The Pirates worth a damn don't care about Gold in the slightest, the four Emporers being the pinnacle example.

[sand sail]

They actually all do. Whitebeard hoarded gold because he funnel it into his hometown, and they still had to buy all of their things so they still needed money. Big Mom was hurting for treasure after Kid sunk her ships, something we learn from Tamago, and Luffy barters Fishman Island's destruction away by giving her all of their gold.

The entire last three arcs, minus WCI, have been about stopping someone's entire business venture

[nimble thistle]

🤦‍♂️

[pearl wagon]

They accidentally used observation haki. When blackbeard met luffy at marineford, he said "your haki has improved". Luffy and zoro probably knew how to use observation haki, but didn't know what it was pre time skip

[sand sail]

Observation haki wouldn't be what does it though, no one knows about it still and he was in the middle of every admiral, vice admiral, warlord, and two Emperors

Zoro and Luffy would have to have some freak of nature super observation if they could pick up something that none of those others could

[pearl wagon]

Exactly. If luffy can use future sight, something that took katakuri years to learn in just one battle, that goes to show how strong their haki is.

[nimble thistle]

You're only looking at the FUNDING. Gold and Treasure are two different concepts in One Piece.

The thing Doflamingo treasures? Absolute control, dominance and authority over others. The thing Doflamingo was doing? Hoarding a massive amount of money, stockpiling weapons, and distributing both in order to create chaos and a monopoly centered around himself.

What does Kaido treasure? A massive world war; an exciting fight. What has Kaido been doing? Using his sheer force of power to dominate others in to doing his bidding. This has coincidentally led Doflamingo in to his employ.

What did Whitebeard treasure? A family. Bottom line, strong, familial-like bonds. What did he do? Gathered people around him, treated them like his own children, took in nations who were being ostracized, controlled, picked on, extorted, etc; Freed them and gave them peace and freedom under his sturdy banner. Gold, ergo money, was only a part of this.

[pearl wagon]

And luffy and katakuri are the only 2 known future sight users

So none of the admirals, vice admirals, warlords, or yonkos can use it

[sand sail]

We don't actually know how long it took Katakuri to learn future sight, we just know it's something he decided to train as hard as he could. But strong haki isn't the same as unlocking a whole new level of it, and Zoro doesn't actually have good observation at all

[nimble thistle]

And I should mention that part of Kaido's side isn't even his own. Orochi was the one with the monopoly and business ventures ongoing in Wano, not Kaido.

[sand sail]

Not one thing stated here really opposes what I stated. Yes, they used gold for a purpose, that doesn't change the fact that they knew they needed gold

They don't have to want to hoard it for the sake of hoarding for us to admit it's still an important commodity at every level in this series, which it absolutely is

[sand sail]

No, it was Kaido. Orochi just gave Kaido the resources to build his factories.

He bribed Kaido over with money, in fact

[pearl wagon]

While zoro doesn't have great observation haki, luffy is one of the only 2 confirmed users of the most advanced level of observation. If you're one of only 2 people in the entire world let alone who learnt it in one battle, doesn't that make you a freak of nature?

[nimble thistle]

Actually, it does oppose what you say because you were implying that gold is the bottom-line obsession of all Pirates. That isn't the case. Gold, to any Pirate worth their salts in One Piece's universe, is practically worthless. Yes, you need it for repairs. Yes, you need it for running cities and nations, etc. But do you see any Yonko losing his mind over losing a trinket?

[sand sail]

In fact, I specifically stated this was not the case. I said pirates all either unanimously care about gold or recognize its important and pursue it, both of which are absolutely correct statements.

[pearl wagon]

That is true, big mom rejected 300 million berries

[sand sail]

Yeah, we actually could. Big Mom was upset that she was wasting money on Caesar, and the weapons trade in Wano was actually going to be picking up too

They're not stumbling all over themselves because gold is gold, but they absolutely care about their funding, it's how they get things

They still pay for stuff, they can't go around stealing just anything they want lol

[versed hamlet]

yes

[sturdy hound]

!theories @pure raven

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using #manga-theories for any joke theories you may have. This channel is strictly for serious discussion on the realm of possibilities one truly believes in, and can explain in a manner that conveys why. Please consider this a general warning.

[deep olive]

what’s the most recent theory that makes sense and is possible

[neat marten]

Green Bull arriving in wano

Actually not a theory just a hunch that it’ll happen

[deep olive]

i like that

thinking green bull has wano blood ?

[neat marten]

There’s also this theory that momo will fail to stop onigashima and fujitora will appear and do his gravity tricks

[deep olive]

i also like this

[upbeat cedar]

That’s a good ass theory

[bitter mesa]

Wano was ruled by 6 families and have 6 regions:

1. Flower Capital - Kozuki Family
2. Kuri - Kozuki Oden
3. Kibi - Unknow Ruler
4. Udon - Unknow Ruler
5. Hakumai - Shimotsuki Yasuie
6. Ringo - Shimotsuki Ushimaru

If I do recall correctly Kinemon stated that each region was ruled by one of the 6 families. But We miss 4 families and their corresponded regions. So I started to guess a little bit, and digging my own hole of thoughts. So if we think about Kuri, we realise that before Oden the region did not have an family in command, so my explanation for that is that it was actually ruled by Kurozumi familly and after they been hunted by everyone the region became lawless.
Kinemon explanation of Kuri: "At the time, there was a place in Wano that was considered a lawless area. Criminals and Ronins exiled from various villages gathered together, robbing and killing. Blood was spilled everyday, even the Shogun chose to ignore such a heinous region. That was Kuri"
Kanjurou also was born in Kuri: "Among those outlaws are Kin'emon who was born in Kuri,[48] Raizo, Kanjuro, Kikunojo, Kawamatsu, Denjiro,[49] and also Ashura Doji"

So with that We are still missing 3 other families, Again let's guess a little bit: Kibi and Udon has to be from the missing families been Uzuki, Amatsuki, Fugetsu. But We only have 2 other regions left, because the Shimotsuki family has 2 regions. If We think about it That can be due to the fact that one of the 3 missing families did not have 1 male heir to rule that region, so an Shimotsuki (my guess Ushimaru) married one of their heir. So based ONLY and strictly on the fact that Amatsuki family is the one that received more emphasis until now and they apparently have green hair, I guess that is the Amatsuki heir. Why green hair matter? Because Ushimaru is probably Zoro's Father and this will explain the Zoro's lineage and will close this once for all, like it happened with Sanji.

btw sorry for the bad english, let me know what you guys think!

[lone dew]

Hopefully that would be Dope af

[solid badger]

These two are most likely the other 2 region rulers

[bitter mesa]

exactly so that would be The Uzuki and Fugetsu family

[sinful wedge]

There's almost no basis to it but I've always had the feeling that the Kurozumi clan was meant to join the 19 ruling families 800 years ago, but they couldn't do that since the Kozuki's had already closed Wano's borders

[bitter mesa]

it makes sense if you remember that Orochi had some sort of connections with CP-0

[sinful wedge]

It's not even Orochi, the WG sees Wano as it's a weapon source for them so they should be willing to deal with anyone as long as it benefits them

I'm more interested in seeing who Higurashi met during her travels outside of Wano

and how did she exactly foresee what Kaido was meant to do in Wano

[waxen dust]

I agree with this, Kozuki has special ties to the AK

[sinful wedge]

and how in turn those things would also go on to benefit the WG in the long run

[bleak mica]

How do you guys think Luffy in Gear 5 will look?

[junior cape]

Based as hell

[proven sand]

wano closed his border after the 100 void century?

[sinful wedge]

Yes

Right after it or during its tail end

[bitter mesa]

BTW, I was just re reading one piece Wano arc. Kawamatsu stated that every citizen of Ringo receive a katana after it birth so they can carry that for their entire life. Maybe that will be the zoro's "new blade" that everyone wants

[supple anchor]

idk about that, zoro was born in the East Blue

[bitter mesa]

Ah yeah, and on the SBS Oda mentioned that on the Ship that head from Wano to the east blue was a parent of one of the member that We know (that would be zoro). If it was Zoro on the ship, he would say something different

[supple anchor]

hmm i dont remember that SBS but it would be cool if you knew which one

[bitter mesa]

92

[zinc iris]

One of the descendants of someone on that ship is a person that everybody is familiar with...

Well there's also that Kuina is a Shimotsuki

[acoustic helm]

Guys ,luffy was conscious of his surrounding before he went to east blue with garp.,so where was he before that??

[pure raven]

Guys u remember the time where imu sama shower 4 poster of bb,luffy,shirahoshi and vivi unscratched so I was just thinking that what are the similarities between bb, luffy shirahoshi and I came out of an idea if shirahoshi is Poseidon,luffy has franky who has memorized pluton(maybe even used it to modify sunny) so the only one missing is bb so does that mean that the bb has or will have Uranus?

[proven sand]

probably he has luffy and bb because they are d

[pure raven]

I mean then why does he have shirahoshi then?

There must be Some connection between them right?

[sinful wedge]

It doesn't have to be a hard rule of having ancient weapons, it could be a mix of many things

[pure raven]

Or maybe it can be that imu sama went into the future and saw that these guys will destroy wg?

[proven sand]

@pure ravenbecause shiraoshi is poseidon and alabasta refused to join the 19 nations 800 years ago

[pure raven]

Then why is the photo of vivi unscratched?

[proven sand]

probably Imu sama knows that to destroy the World Gvt they need Shira (poseidon) Luffy (joyboy) Vivi and BB

dont know if only the d's can inherit joy boy will and imu think that both BB or luffy can become the "new joyboy"

[pure raven]

Umm so how about this imu thinks that luffy is reincarnation of joyboy and bb is the reincarnation of rocks d xebac?

[proven sand]

mmmh xebec wasnt there in the 100 void century

probably he is just a normal d like garp ecc

[pure raven]

if the reason imu had photos of bb and luffy because they were D why not eradicate all of the D?

[tawdry plaza]

Can anyone predict what happened in the God Valley Incident?

[drowsy marsh]

Yeah I came up with Shirahoshi is Poseidon. Vivi would probably be key to Pluton, but I don't think Luffy or Blackbeard are a weapon. Luffy is going to be Joyboy. Maybe Blackbeard is also a joyboy candidate.

[pure raven]

But if I am correct hasn't franky memorized the pluton?

[proven sand]

And btw BB was already born when xebec was defeated

[pure raven]

Hmmm

[tawdry plaza]

I doubt that BB will be Joyboy or even be candidate of him, I saw a theory in YouTube yesterday saying that BB has three persons inside him, the three brothers, he said it may be an inspiration from a Japanese Folklore

[proven sand]

But i dont think Imu sees luffy like a real threat for now....he is using CP0 to get robin not luffy...

[tawdry plaza]

Idk if you know it, but Imu is a female

[pure raven]

Then why da heck has he selected luffy out of every goddamn pirate in the world

[drowsy marsh]

Yes, but Pluton is supposedly hidden somewhere in Arabasta, and the Poneglyph telling its location is hidden in the kingdom's royal tomb. So I think Vivi is the key to obtaining the original Pluton.

[pure raven]

Any guesses where is Uranus?

[proven sand]

@tawdry plaza orly???

[tawdry plaza]

Only the poneglyph leading to Pluton was shown, I doubt the pluton may be in Arabasta, but it hasn’t been revealed that the original one was destroyed, so yes, it may be somewhere out there, I just don’t think it’s Arabasta

[proven sand]

@pure raven im just saying that Worl government could easily dispose of every D' as soon as they become notorious if there was some problem with them

[tawdry plaza]

Wdym?

[drowsy marsh]

My guess is that Momo is related to Uranus. It would explain why Imu didn't have a picture, because Momo was gone for 20 years and is from wano so wg couldn't take a picture.

[proven sand]

@tawdry plaza where is said im is a girl?

[pure raven]

The only way of knowing why imu had pictures of da three is by knowing who really is imu

[tawdry plaza]

I don’t remember but Imu’s gender has already been revealed, you can check on google if it’s a reliable source

[pure raven]

She is gay confirmed

[drowsy marsh]

Doubt it. During Baroque work it was stated that Pluton was in Alabasta. I do not think this was a lie.

[proven sand]

on one piece wiki doesnt say anything on imu gender

[pure raven]

Why do I always think that Imu is momos mother

Cuz one thing is for sure imu is immortal

[tawdry plaza]

Btw, if you want to listen to good theories, check out yuderon’s yt channel, he’s the best op theorist out there

[pure raven]

Me who doesnt know japanese:crys in the corner

[proven sand]

Other strange thing is aged SH sketch....oda always drawn two type of versione one normal and one where he say "A future where something happens" really courious to know what is that something

[pure raven]

guys do you think that gorosei are immortal like me?

Cuz when you look them before timeskip and after timeskip you don't see any difference in them

While vivis father had aged so much in 2 years

[proven sand]

a lot of characters didnt change

[wide depot]

they're old men

not much will change in 2 years

[tawdry plaza]

You can just turn on subtitles

[ancient vault]

I hope thats a joke

[tawdry plaza]

Why?

Then who do you think is the best?

[ancient vault]

[tawdry plaza]

Istg, if you say Ohara, I’m gonna lose my shit

[thick sky]

Ohara makes good observations
Theories -no

[wheat skiff]

I only know of Library of Ohara's Arthur , but guys on a hiatus from health reasons

[sinful wedge]

u/africhic on Reddit has some amazing theories

@ancient vault your theory on bb pirates coming to wano is great too, a shame that WG usually doesn't give a shit about actual good discussion

[thick sky]

Oh that mega theory guy.
Most of us had read that post here if I am not wrong

[tawdry plaza]

He’s just a translation of Yuderon’s video with his own thoughts to it

[thick sky]

(I haven't read any more of him to validate that claim but I'll take your word for it)

[native turret]

lots of fire prob

[sinful helm]

fire dragon-man bcs we all know luffy is a copycat

[zinc iris]

I'm on a roll of good theories but I don't like the latest Zoro stuff so I wonder if I have the wrong reading key and just got lucky so far

Essentially I don't like CoC being a hard requirement for high tier combat, Zoro getting CoC and Zoro being a Shimotsuki because they are some thematic betrayals

The latest reveals totally murder the underdog idea that Zoro was a nobody that is becoming the greatest swordsman by sheer determination and effort
Because it turns out lol it's his birthright

And by following the idea that bloodline shouldn't matter I guessed right well before anyone else that Kuina was a descendant of Ryuma
But now bloodlines are the game's name so maybe I guessed right for the wrong reasons?

[wheat skiff]

I loved his mega theory
It's such a good read

[ancient vault]

oh you saw it

[ancient vault]

ohara is just the western yuderon. Both shit

[zinc iris]

Ohara you mean Ohara and not Arthur, right?

[rustic granite]

Maybe Nami ig

[waxen dust]

I saw this Ohara video....and I will likely never see another one again
https://youtu.be/d5-oyhNNaAM

@ancient vault did you see this one?

[rough ferry]

That one is very good i like that one.

[prime bluff]

I have a theory
Maybe shanks has last road ponelgyph and luffy crew has to battle his crew to be deemed worthy of reaching laughtale

[sinful wedge]

I do wonder if the 4th RP was still in FI when Shanks made his first visit with his crew there

[misty canopy]

fuck this ohara guy smearing BBs good name

[nimble thistle]

There's a theory that the Gorosei are receiving some eternal life thanks to the emissions of the Adam Tree, and that same tree is linked to the illumination that Fishman Island receives (which also means that, for better or worse, Fishman Island is underneath Mariejois.)

Or, at least I think it is the Adam Tree the theory mentions.

[pine delta]

there are hooks already to facilitate blackbeard entry: big mom pirates spot them in the distance

but,how will he break into onigashima in the next 5 minutes while not even visible from wano

[ivory nexus]

When will be spoilers are dropping??

[ancient vault]

im actively dodging this video get the fck away from me with that shit.
im not watching it

[ancient vault]

yes

[zinc iris]

I was following Grand Line Review but then lost interest

[zinc iris]

Isn't one reaching down to Fishman Island the Eve tree?

[sinful wedge]

Yes FI gets it from the eve tree

[acoustic helm]

Ryuma is praised for his feats not for his shimotsuki lineage...

[nimble thistle]

Yeah you'd be right.

[zinc iris]

The problem is making Zoro a descendant of Ryuma when he already was a fitting heir by spirit alone

[pure raven]

What do you guys think is the catalyst for the Final War ? Why ?

[zinc iris]

The one piece being found

[nimble thistle]

The catalyst for the Final War? Probably Akainu getting fed up with Straw Hat crew and pick a fight with them by attacking one of their allies.

[solar knoll]

All the Admirals are inspired by real life actors I wonder who Greenbull is inspired by

[pine delta]

jack black, i hope

the one piece being found is 100% the catalyst for the final war, whitebeard himself said as much

[sand sail]

It's something he imagined would happen, but isn't necessarily how it'll go down, too many X-factors in this whole thing

[steep vigil]

catlyst would def be garp betraying the marines in favor of joining the strawhat forces

[distant valve]

something like that

With smoker or something

[rugged cove]

defo not garp

[pure raven]

What yall think abt morj theory on smoker joininh

[steep vigil]

its ok i guess, overrated asf tho

[rugged cove]

nah i think smoker would be sengoku/garp for roger/luffy

[sinful wedge]

By Oda's answer in Vol 97 SBS, the final war would start in some capacity after Luffy leaves Wano, while the main confrontation could be after the SH's reach Laugh Tale

[steep vigil]

i mean sh's whooping 2 yonko is a big deal

in the latest ep kaido got bodied by mountain level akazaya 💀 and big mom is weird asf

[flat nimbus]

what do you think about the gorosei's swordman sword?

[frozen birch]

one piece youtubers lmao

[pine delta]

@sinful wedge if thats the official wording that almost confirms reverie is the "sparks" of the world unrest and WG movement with one piece revelation once and for all being the war trigger

[sinful wedge]

Yes, the setup for it seems that way too and the Gorosei's ominous "great cleansing" comment almost cements that suspicion

The revos and perhaps some of the other factions would likely start directly clashing against the government which would then keep snowballing into something way bigger till the SH's reach Raftel

After which we'll have our proper war

[tiny forum]

Wano

[uncut knoll]

Wano-- especially Onigashima, has a lot of parallels with Marineford, just as many post timeskip arcs have with pre time skip.

My theory is that Shanks is going to show up near the end of this arc again. With the World Government showing up, the rest of the Big Mom pirates, potentially Blackbeard (or parts of his crew, he needs the poneglyph and Blackbard is known to take advantage of chaotic situations) and others, I could see Shanks making an appearance just like Marineford. Luffy might need help escaping.

However, the outcome is the opposite from Marineford. Luffy is conscious, with his crew, and has just achieved his biggest success ever as a pirate, defeating Kaido. Back at Marineford, he suffered the worse loss of his life and was alone. Shanks will meet Luffy while he's awake this time, and this time instead of saying it's not Luffy's time yet, he'll acknowledge that it iS Luffy's time and that he has indeed become a great pirate. One who is capable of toppling a Yonko.

Obviously, Shanks could easily be getting saved for later as well.

[pine delta]

i like that. im thinking about how we go from wano to elbaf and have shanks daby back fight there before we go to laugh tale, that would be a nice parallel

technically, shanks could just tell luffy he captured bartolomeo who was causing havoc in his territory, and he needs to win him back

[uncut knoll]

What if Shanks and crew went to Elbaf with Luffy and they actually hold the Davy Back fight there? 👀

[pine delta]

my only issues with all the X will arrive at wano theories is that how are any of these people making it there so quickly when we know its not easy to get in

i think thats the case, but then why not just send luffy an invitation to have him meet them at elbaf

i do think we will get some sort of shanks contact at the end of wano, maybe a den den mushi call

[uncut knoll]

No clue, just throwing shit at the wall with that.

I think it would be fine if Shanks made it. He has likely been aware of Luffy's destination, especially since the newspaper with his bounty increase. I could see where Shanks might have already been preparing to show up.

[sinful wedge]

Perhaps Wano literally "opens" in a way we don't expect it to?

[uncut knoll]

Shanks also seems concerned with Blackbeard, so I could anticipate Shanks expecting Blackbeard to show up at Wano.

[pine delta]

thats big brain right there holy shit

all i can say is this lore dump for wano is gonna shake this community to the core

[uncut knoll]

Since Blackbeard needs the poneglyph, and has the potential to steal fruit like Marco's or Kaido's, I would be surprised if he doesn't pop up.

He loves taking advantage of chaos.

[sinful wedge]

That's actually not even farfetched, I think to make a country like Wano accessible to the whole world it might have to be literally opened in one way or the other

[neat marten]

I believe shanks will contact Luffy once words spreads of Kaido’s eventual defeat

[neat marten]

Shanks won’t show this arc

[uncut knoll]

I think there's a good chance he will. Oda promised this arc will be "huge" and will be bigger than Marineford-- which has direct parallels with Onigashima. So far, which epic, I wouldn't say we have hit that level yet. I fele like Oda has implied that more shit is going to hit the fan before the arc ends.

I'm 50/50 on Shanks showing up since I do agree he could be saved for a little later and post-Wano. But I honestly think it's a possibility. Especially if he suspects Blackbeard might poke his nose in Wano. If all the yonko ended up in Wano, even if ultimately the fights with Blackbeard and Shanks aren't resolved, it would become a massive event worth of Oda's hype.

[pine delta]

i could see blackbeard going after the treasure doflamingo spoke of the WG has

[modest skiff]

I think one of the ways it opens is the volcano erupting creates a pathway to the White Sea

[pine delta]

i mean in fairness

[sinful wedge]

Yeah, mt. Fuji looks like it could potentially be the key for a lot of inasane scenarios

[uncut knoll]

I don't feel like Onigashima has hit the "more epic than Marineford" level yet. Shit needs to get crazier beyond the WG showing up.

[pine delta]

1. this is already odas longest arc
2. this is the first time luffy is 1v1 a YONKO (not a actual 1v1 yet but hes fighting)
3. straw hats all fighting against a yonko's crew
4. all the allies we've known of for so long fighting
5. potentially a new crew member
6. this is how luffy becomes a yonko

its already epic levels in fairness.

[sinful wedge]

I don't know if it will top in terms of stakes necessarily, but in terms of all the lore drops we are about to get, Wano will have the best climax of the series

[pine delta]

but i do concede that with the 5 act structure there is danger potential

^ bounty spitting straight fire

[sinful wedge]

The narrative is quickly going to see a drastic change towards the the overarching narrative of the series

[pine delta]

yeah after wano its elbaf and laugh tale with the world war becoming the main focus end of wano onwards.

[sinful wedge]

We are going to expand from Kaido/Wano to the WG and Wano's role to the world soon

[pine delta]

in addition to the kaido flashback, we could see a void century flashback thrown in

[sinful wedge]

This should probably start from the time we get Kaido's flashback or during/after his defeat

[sinful wedge]

We will get 3 flashback, Kaido's, void century through Wano's lens and Zoro's

[uncut knoll]

I know a lot has happened on paper, but it really feels like it needs to get crazier than that.

[sinful wedge]

at different points of this arc

[uncut knoll]

at least, IMO. Subjectivity.

[sinful wedge]

In terms of insane events happening in real time? Doubt that. But in terms of what Wano entails for the whole story? ABSOLUTELY MASSIVE

I mean Marineford changed the world forever, but Wano is going to give us a lot more to connect back to the overarching plot of the show

and Oda never misses when he addresses those parts

[uncut knoll]

Honestly, if the arc ends where all the enemies are just gradually defeated, Luffy beats Kaido, they skirmish with the WG, and escape, it will feel anticlimactic and too easy to me.

From a storytelling standpoint, I feel like something unexpected and completely left field needs to happen to add an element of shock and to put everyone into even more dire straits.

I think Oda is going to shock us.

[modest skiff]

We have every indication that Fuji created the whole White Sea to begin with. I think periodic eruptions have shaped the world above the blue sea. I think the first eruption creates the highest point, the second eruption creates the White Sea, and now a layer between blue and white will be formed, ideally including a trail of sorts leading there from Wano. I think this will make Elbaf and Wano the only 2 countries which have both white and blue components to them.

[sinful wedge]

It's not just the ramifications of this raid on the events going forward and the world's reaction to it, but us getting our first glimpse into the void century era and an unprecedented amount of lore drops

[uncut knoll]

I'm not arguing that this arc isn't huge for the story as a whole. But I am confident something BIG and so far, not expected, will happen.

[sinful wedge]

All of which are going to be extremely relevant in making the the whole series even more cohesive than we ever thought it was

[waxen dust]

Took me a minute to read this as Mt. Fuji and not Fujitora

[pine delta]

i still dont understand the fascination with this volcano. its never even been referred to as a volcano by any character

[modest skiff]

Boy would I love to read a theory saying Fujitora built the White Sea

[sinful wedge]

I did have a theory on that https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/pnfupx/is_wano_responsible_for_giving_birth_to_all_the/

[uncut knoll]

I just think people are in for a rude awakening if they think it's just going to be Luffy beating Kaido, Big Mom losing, maybe the other characters fight and beat the arriving Big mom pirates, the WG showing up to skirmish, and the Strawhats partying.

Oda isn't going to be that vanilla.

[pine delta]

its gonna have a bad end in the sense that big mom escapes with kaido, wg manages to do some fucked shit, the first time in the series a celebration is cut short -> "we are in the endgame now"

[uncut knoll]

Honestly, I hope this is Big Mom's final arc.

[waxen dust]

Fujitora blinded himself for the purpose of using his sclera as the White Sea

[pine delta]

but luffy will beat kaido this arc, big mom will be "defeated"

[uncut knoll]

I enjoy her as a villain, but I'm burnt out on her.

If we have yet another arc where Big Mom follows them to Elbaf or whatever, it will feel boring to me.

[sinful wedge]

This will be Big Mom's final arc in the series as an antagonist, but she will be relevant after Wano too imo

[pine delta]

big mom and kaido as the next dorry and broggy, argueing about how the other is the reason they lost, forever

[uncut knoll]

Unless it's used to show off Luffy's power level. Like, Big Mom chases them down, but Luffy defeats her.

I'd be okay having BIg Mom used as a pawn to show of Luffy's strength.

[pine delta]

i would not

[waxen dust]

Big Mom will be in Elbaf definitely as an antagonist against the giants

[uncut knoll]

Big Mom is a joke.

[waxen dust]

But she can still kick your ass

[pine delta]

cannot wait for loki to appear in elbaf and he's actually handsome

i highly disagree but i acknowledge big mom is divisive to people

[waxen dust]

Loki vs Usopp needs to happen

[uncut knoll]

I appreciate Big Mom's narrative. The dichotomy if her being villainous, but also considering herself as virtuous and benevolent. I like how she has a policy to not just kill the enemy; she doesn't innately enjoy killing and would rather make allies. I like her dynamic with the terrified famiy, and how her child-like mind is juxtaposed against her maternal an cunning natures.

But there's only so much I can stand to see Big Mom treated as a joke before my interest wanes.

[pine delta]

big mom is still kind of taking it easy in onigashima, she doesnt really feel threatened by anything

[waxen dust]

Big Mom is a joke because Oda is nerfing her on purpose

[uncut knoll]

I mean, she almost fell into the ocean and died.

[pine delta]

it happens

[uncut knoll]

twice

[waxen dust]

When the time is right Oda is gonna give us a full power Big Mom and we saw an inkling of that during the roof

[uncut knoll]

Considering haki awakens through combat, I'm expecting to see Kid and Law both evolve.

I could easily see them developing new haki abilities during their Big Mom fight.

[pine delta]

still waiting for their chapter, i think we will get it this week or next. oda needs to wrap up raizo and em

[junior cape]

I honestly believe the next few chapters will be the conclusions of all the minor skirmishes around the island, interspersed with Luffy vs Kaido and Momo/Yamato cuts.

And then Oda will just give us like 2 chapters of Luffy vs Kaido as Momo holds back the island, followed by the chapter where Luffy wins, and Momo now has to carry the island somewhere else before his powers give out.

[sinful wedge]

Where does Kaido's flashback fit in all of this?

[shadow pike]

you guys think Choppel goes monster point in this arc?

[brazen cairn]

My thinking is that
Luffy fails to beat Kaido but severely weakens him enough for Big Mam to swoop in and finish Kaido off
Yamato joins Laws Crew

[solemn vine]

Nah I think luffy will be the one to beat Kaido even if it’s not on onigashima

[unkempt gulch]

Kid and Law are gonna put some damage on big mom then run away with the SH's, having big mom chase them to elbaf

[junior cape]

Probably in between the first couple chapters of his last bout with Luffy. Also, we don't NEED a flashback backstory for every villain. However I would also like to learn the true tale of Rocks

[still gale]

Long Stretched Theory:

Zoro has been storing haki(observation) in his closed eye. Will use to fight that new devil fruit user shyriu ( BB Pirates) who can go invisible.

[pure raven]

hes just going to splash him with water

[quartz python]

Blackbeard can eat 2 fruits and never sleeps, Cavendish switches personalities when he falls asleep, can he eat 2 fruits as well? I can imagine him eating Pika Pika no Mi if Kizaru dies.

[quartz python]

Invis man vs a guy who cant tell his left and rights is gonna be a tuff battle for Zoro

[zinc iris]

I don't think it's simply a matter of having two personalities, but some actual instance of chimerism

[junior cape]

yeah, more likely he is literally physically 2 people in one, rather than multiple personalities.

[pure raven]

How does that happen, wouldn't bb need to be deformed. I've never seen his twin

[zinc iris]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimera_(genetics)

this one is pretty crazy because you can see her body is by half of another color for real

https://www.livescience.com/61890-what-is-chimerism-fused-twin.html

[radiant oxide]

Do you think post-Wano will pull a "Crocodile" and somehow have Doflamingo end up supporting Luffy attacking all the Celestial Dragons at some point?

[pine delta]

yeah. i could see it being a mini impel down with doflamingo and a few others breaking up through mariejois (luffy might not join them, but it inderectly assists)

[zinc iris]

I think Doflamingo truly is too much up his own ass to ever turn

Crocodile started to believe again, while Doflamingo just never believed

[pure raven]

not really it seems to be more about absorbing and dominating the other fetus in order to have a chance at birth. So it's still it's own individual entity. It's not like a fusion

Because chimerism doesn't really give you extra hearts

[zinc iris]

it can, but such drastic malformation usually aren't survivable IRL

but in the OP world?

[pure raven]

😫 think it's unlikely because chimerism seems to be more about absorbing dna not so much have 2 individuals in your body.
Also I think BB is only able to eat 2 df because of the yami. It makes more sense because he waited 20 years for this. If he could eat multiple df before than he most likely would of been doing it to give him an advantage in locating the fruit. But for 20 years he just waited.

[zinc iris]

it was explicitly mentioned by marco that it's an anomaly with his body rather than the yami

and after all he was never sleeping from the beginning

the idea here seems that he is somehow "two in one" with the two taking turns in being on the spot so he never sleeps because the other half is acting

[vestal orbit]

think someone's gonna jump on you for !os

[zinc iris]

also he likely still can't just eat as many DFs as he wants, so he waits for the ones he thinks are the best

if you can eat two DF it's not like you're going to wast a slot for the hell of it

[pure raven]

Its possible BB doesnt sleep due to sheer fear when he was young. There is a concept in One Piece where average citizens dont sleep at night due to the fear of pirates. BBs panel entrance in Impel down is directly after this quote and we also know he had a really rough childhood according to Oda.

[zinc iris]

he was unnaturally unsleeping

it's mentioned it was not a normal thing, and he did it even as a member of the WB pirates, when he had no reason to fear anymore

[tropic cape]

I don't think this contradicts the idea that blackbeard doesn't sleep due to sheer fear, but I also don't think that's the reason Blackbeard doesn't sleep

[pure raven]

I would assume it became a habit until adult hood

[tropic cape]

also PTSD is a thing so the idea that the WB pirates made him feel safe therefore he can sleep isn't a foolproof theory

[radiant oxide]

At the very least, I wouldn't doubt he'd laugh his ass off the day he hears Luffy beating down on more Celestial Dragons higher up.

[zinc iris]

well that is likely

[pure raven]

Is it explained how doflamingo got the fruit?

Ace's fruit

[zinc iris]

not really, it respawned somewhere and he sent his agents to search for it until it was eventually found

maybe some black market exploration, the usual way you search for a specific DF

[radiant light]

Do you think next crewmate will be somekne with wings? They have an animal, a fish, a dead, a cyborg..

[zinc iris]

well flight is not something they don't already have access to

[radiant oxide]

He either hid a fruit with him at Marineford or verbally maneuvered his way through black market deals outside of Marineford.

[zinc iris]

I always hated the conjecture it respawns to the closest fruit of that type

as it's so abusable and should have been a very well known thing

[meager fern]

imagine it's just doflamingo who came to marineford with a batch of fruits to get all of those who had their users die in the war.

[zinc iris]

case in point cumbersome stuff like this happening

the world would be a better place if they just respawn in a random point

[meager fern]

That's true.

It also causes people to think that the Yuki Yuki no me reappeared on the Sunny.

[pure raven]

I think Black Beard can eat multiple devil fruits because he's able to use his "black hole" ability to trap the devil fruit soul before it leaves a person's body. Than configures it to be compatible with his body, which he does with the yami.
Because we know that Objects become living and have a soul only after they eat a devil fruit. This would mean that devil fruits have souls, this is self evident with Big Mom's homies and spandam elephant.

[radiant oxide]

I mean, can we guarantee for sure that devil fruits never respawn to the closest fruit?

[pure raven]

because he can nullify the effects of the devil fruit powers

so he should be able to nullify his death as well, which is because of the yami

[zinc iris]

there's a lot to unpack here:
your idea of "trapping the soul" would better explain how he's able to steal DFs, which however is implied to be something that doesn't require his power anyway
normally people that eat a second df just die, it's not like it's ineffectual
so far objects that were infused with a DF are Zoans, which migth mean that it's the zoan that provides the living part, while paramecia and logia wouldn't turn the object alive

[meager fern]

Plus, the Soul Soul fruit is kind of an exception because it's made to use souls, and it cannot produce them as far as I'm concerned, Big Mom had to tax people from Totto Land their souls to keep making so many homies.

[pure raven]

Big Mom's devil fruit is a paramecia, she can turn multiple objects alive.

[zinc iris]

I mean an object that "eats" a df

also BM's fruit turns objects alive by transferring to them lifeforce from other living beings

[stiff patrol]

In the meeting of whiteboard and shanks whitebeard says “when I look at you, it reminds me of the scars I got from him”, at the time we assumed it meant roger, but could it have meant rocks d xebec? Potentially shanks father. Because we still haven’t heard shanks full name yet

[meager fern]

Yeah.

[meager fern]

i don't think it'd be rocks, since Whitebeard was a member of the Rocks Pirates. I think it's just meant to imply that Roger gave him those scars.

Unless Rocks was abusive to his crew.

[stiff patrol]

Yeah and we know the rocks pirates suffered defeat at the hands of garp and roger, could whitebeard have betrayed them and helped garp and roger? Ofc we are still to get a rocks pirate backstory

[meager fern]

I mean, it's a possibility, the Rocks pirates basically felt no ties towards one another so it's entirely possible that he could've betrayed them,

[stiff patrol]

Yeah wasn’t it mentioned somewhere that they were the most powerful crew of all time and crew members were often killed onboard by each other, and since whitebead values family above all else this would make sense

[vestal orbit]

no way he wasn't honestly

[pure raven]

"Pirate Hunter" Zoro (2B) , "Straw Hat" Luffy (3.6B), "Battleaxe" Nami (689M) , God Usopp (1.01B) , "Diablo" Nico Robin (1.2B) , "Black Leg" Sanji (1.9B), "Colossus" Tony Tony Chopper (200), "General" Franky (879) , "Soul Grim" Brook (860M) , "Oden" Ayakashi D. Yamato (1.8B), "Knight of the Sea" Jinbei (1.5B)

Gear 5 or another gear 4 form to beat kaido

[pure raven]

Those bounties when luffy becomes pirate king?

[pure raven]

Pretty sure it is alluded that DF have actual souls

[vestal orbit]

sanji's bounty needs to be 1.999 B

[pure raven]

There no way jinbei is 932 lol he's the strongest one aboard other than luffy

[meager fern]

That was literally from no one really knowing about devil fruits as far as I know.

If those bounties are for after luffy becomes Pirate King, then Luffy needs to have the signature 5.6B

which would be higher than Roger's, meaning he surpassed him in some way.

[pure raven]

Jimbei always beats bigmoms ass ges not weak in anyway he's 500m bounty In wano is just underestimating him for him constantly going toe to toe with bigmom n ending with a draw lol

[pure raven]

nah just post-wano 😭

[meager fern]

I still think that luffy will max reach 3B at the end of Wano.

[low ruin]

Zoro and sanji are stronger

[meager fern]

And that Blackbeard gets an increase too.

[pure raven]

Zoro got stronger after he got enma n sanji got stronger after he got exo skeleton if jinbe learned ryou he'll surpass both

[meager fern]

Zoro at 1.5B, Sanji at 1.3B and for god's sake, Robin at 1B.

[pure raven]

Sanji should be higher than zoro I'd he defeats queen

[meager fern]

But Zoro is probably going to defeat King?

[low ruin]

I just really hope he doesn't.

[pure raven]

What's thier bounty

I feel like sanji would still hold a higher bounty than zoro after wano

[meager fern]

King is 1.39B and Queen is 1.32B

[pure raven]

Fact - The yami can nullify any devil fruit
Fact - 2 Devil fruits in 1 vessel isn't compatible
theory - Blackbeard nullified the effects of them destroying his body with the yami, so that he's able to eat 2.

this should explain the mystery I guess

[meager fern]

the difference is just as minimal as Sanji and Zoro's, so it feels like Oda planning to either make their bounty like 1 off or the same.

[pure raven]

Theory. Sanji is gonna obtain a artifical devil fruit ability

[meager fern]

Have we ever seen someone actually eat 2 devil fruits and die though? What if it was all just an urban legend made from pirates who didn't know better.

[pure raven]

no

[meager fern]

Well damn.

[quartz python]

Why u think that

[meager fern]

I still don't think the Yami is the only cause, but as far as I know, it's viable.

[zinc iris]

he already did, it's the invisibility

[quartz python]

Thats his suit

[zinc iris]

it's more involved than that, Sanji was designed by Judge to be Stealth Black from the beginning

[sand sail]

Blackbeard doesn't nullify devil fruits, he absorbs them. He removes them entirely, as opposed to cancelling them, which is most likely how he's able to steal a fruit. The Yami Yami is probably going to end up being his method of intake, with his body's innate makeup being the only reason he's able to actually take two fruits

[zinc iris]

and his brothers have their special powers even without the suit

[quartz python]

Yea but it isnt an artificial devil fruit.

[pure raven]

Fixed for the first and last time

"Pirate Hunter" Zoro (1.6B) , "Straw Hat" Luffy (4.5B), "Battleaxe" Nami (300M) , God Usopp (350M) , "Diablo" Nico Robin (936M) , "Black Leg" Sanji (1.55B), "Colossus" Tony Tony Chopper (200 Belly :rasitas: ), "General" Franky (502M) , "Soul Grim" Brook (380M) , "Oden" Ayakashi D. Yamato (?B), "Knight of the Sea" Jinbei (720M)

[quartz python]

No he can cancel the usage of devil fruits as long as he touches them.

[quartz python]

4.5b is a bit too high, 3b tops imo

[zinc iris]

Judge just hacked DF abilities into his children, that's why they have the swirly eyebrows

[frozen linden]

Seems legit

[sand sail]

No, he's drawing the fruit into himself when he touches someone

[zinc iris]

however Burgess was attempting to kill luffy and steal his DF on dressrosa withouth BB being there

[sand sail]

It's not just an on/off switch, the power leaves the user's body. It'll probably end up being that once they're dead and the power has nothing to latch onto, he'll be able to take it in directly

Sure, that's just Blackbeard's way of doing it, but not everyone has the yami yami

That is still a confirmed method of taking fruit powers

[zinc iris]

I think they gain the power by eating a part of the user close to their death

[sand sail]

Maybe they could, but that's not how Blackbeard did it at least

[zinc iris]

I think that if it just were because of his Yami he wouldn't have reason to hide how he did it under a blanket

[sand sail]

Well there's no real reason for that no matter how he does it lol

[pure raven]

Yeah I agree that Blackbeard is absorbing the powers hence his special move black hole, in which goal is to purely absorb things. But I don't agree with your conclusion about his body being the only reason he's able to take in the devil fruits. We know nothing really about his body other than it's odd. I think if anyone had the yami they would be capable of the same thing other than it being unique to him alone because of his body. Because the yami can actually nullify devil fruit powers. When Blackbeard touched ace it wasn't because of absorption but more so nullification because his fist didn't go through ace's body.

"The most unique and frightening advantage of the fruit is that the user also has the ability to nullify the powers of other Devil Fruits by simply touching the user and draining them of their abilities" - Wiki info

[sand sail]

Yes, the wiki isn't a good source here, we can actually go by Blackbeard's words directly.

It was literally absorbing the mera mera, that's why Ace was able to be hit. He didn't have the fruit when Blackbeard touched him

And we know it must be his body, because the only thing we get about it is Marco pointing out Teach's strange body must be why this can happen

Furthermore, the yami yami was fully described in the devil fruit encyclopedia. Blackbeard is the only person in recoreded history, including presumably the void century, to be able to have two fruits. That wouldn't be the case if there were a source telling him all about its powers

[zinc iris]

I doubt cannibalism is a very known method but it's also something anyone could do if they knew, so he has a reason to keep this ace up his sleeve for an edge

[pure raven]

well done you've debunked my theory, I just checked the context. Marco said maybe so it probably does has something to do with his body, because they know he doesn't sleep as well.
I don't know what body function allows him to do that, I still don't really think he's 3 or 2 people because there's no real evidence for that. His Body played a role in making it happen, so I would just conclude that his body and the yami combine are compatible to consume 2 devil fruits.

[left field]

Ayakashi D. Yamato…?

[nimble thistle]

Is cannibalism not also how Big Mom got her Devil Fruit?

[zinc iris]

Yes I'm taking it from that

And BM herself doesn't know it happened

[sand sail]

Not really, it's the single most troublesome possible method of gaining someone else's fruit lol

[zinc iris]

not if you don't have to eat the whole person but just some (specific?) part

[sand sail]

That actually makes it significantly more difficult

[zinc iris]

?

[verbal anchor]

frrr my first time hearing that

it might've been in the vivre card

[left field]

No way he’d reveal an important character to be a D. for the first time on a vivre card

[vestal orbit]

yeah don't think yamato's got the will of d

[left field]

I believe Yamato is not joining (though there are also many valid points why she could join), but if she was will of D. that would officially solidify my belief that she’s not gonna join

No way is there gonna be a SH besides Luffy with will of D

[sand sail]

Because if you're doing this, then it's for a fruit worth having. If it's a fruit worth having, it means you're going to have to actually fight and kill the person. Case in point: Whitebeard. Blackbeard wanted the Gura Gura, and he had to start the biggest event since Roger's death and the mostly widely seen war since even before that, and still almost died to get it after throwing an army at the dude.

[sinful helm]

what is will of D.? does blackbeard represents it? for me no but zoro and sanji do at least for me

[near osprey]

She is joining tho like without a doubt

[left field]

I’m the captain of my ship and if it sinks I’m going down with it

[near osprey]

She's already told Luffy that she wants to join and Luffy isn't one who turns down strong people with intense back bone. Plus she's Oden Reincarnated persay and he was on Roger's ship

[left field]

I chose to believe she’s not joining and I’m sticking with it to the finish, plus I know of many points as to why she won’t join but I don’t feel like arguing cause there are just as many valid points for why she will join

It’s an argument that ultimately goes nowhere

[near osprey]

But what makes you lean towards her not joining though when Oda's already presented the idea of her joining. Oda isn't going to backtrack and say ahh never mind she's staying in Wano.

[zinc iris]

Ok but the method would still be "mundane"

[left field]

Bro I already said I don’t feel like discussing this😭😭😭

And now ur gonna say that I have no valid points cause I didn’t say anything

[near osprey]

Just doesn't make any sense tbh

[left field]

If there’s a unique ship role that’s significant enough for her to take, and if Zoro and Sanji show huge improvement, then maybe I’ll end up believing she’ll join

I bolded the word unique for a reason, don’t go saying she’s gonna be something like a crows nest or fighter #2

[velvet linden]

Does anyone know about the theory of Kaido being a koi fish turned into a dragon?

[near osprey]

Sanji and Zoro are about to take down King and Queen which are on the same level as Katakuri

Plus Zoro's role is Vice Captain and Swordsman and Yamato doesn't need any particular role on the ship at this point she can just be apart of the Monster Group

and all he does is sleep, drink and train on the ship

[left field]

Zoro and Sanji are the wings, Zoro being the power (CoC, Enma, ???), Sanji being the Endurance (Suit, body modification, ???)

[modest skiff]

Zoro is not the vice captain

There is no vice captain

[left field]

His fighter role is unique tho, cause nobody else on the crew has a fighter role. Don’t say Sanji does, he’s a top fighter but his role is cook

[near osprey]

Sanji and Zoro share that role, they take up Leadership roles when Luffy isn't around and everyone follows them without question.

But even Bartolomeo referred to Zoro as the Vice Captain when they first met.

[modest skiff]

All of them function as leaders here and there, Nami perhaps most of all. Yes, Barto was wrong.

!vicecaptain

[lone hedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/738580480437387264/759625695386271754/unknown.png

[near osprey]

and Zoro has played as advisor to Luffy on several occasions especially during the moment with Usopp during Water 7

[sinful helm]

he is the steel that does what luffy cant/wont do

[modest skiff]

Not a conversation for this channel, so let’s not continue it here. If you’d like to discuss whether or not a vice captain exists, feel free to tag me in the manga channels

[left field]

I’m just glad ur not the person who uses those volume 100 towels as an argument for her joining

[near osprey]

I'm just using what Oda has already written into the story and the fact that Luffy has always been a parallel to Roger and Oden joined his ship and Yamato is Oden's parallel

[left field]

I’m surprised u haven’t talked about Yamato’s dream yet

[near osprey]

To open up Wano?

[left field]

She pretty much has 2 dreams: to open Wano and to be free like Oden

[near osprey]

Or travel as Oden did?

I imagine by this point Yamato would be the last to join the Straw Hats not sure how large Blackbeard's crew but I imagine their numbers will be even by the time they fight one another.

Unless Law actually ends up joining

But I think the only time for Law to join is post Wano

[zinc iris]

Carrot will join, I want to believe

[near osprey]

Nahh too late for that I think

[zinc iris]

there is not deadline

[left field]

Everyone on the crew will not yet have achieved their dream after Wano. But assuming Wano is open after it ends, and if Yamato leaves with Luffy, then that would mean she would have instantly achieved her 2 dreams

[near osprey]

Yeah but she would've been named a member already by this point she's been with them through Whole Cake and even then Luffy wasn't like "JOIN MY CREW" like he has with everyone else.

[zinc iris]

well i still expect Yamato to drop the Oden larping for an actually personal goal

[near osprey]

See LaughTale with the Straw Hats travel the seas that's her goal once Wano is opened.

[left field]

If Yamato makes a new goal and then joins that would be cool, no other SH has really done that except for Franky

[near osprey]

Doesn't need more than that.

[left field]

It would be cool if Yamato obligated herself to writing in Oden’s journal about the events that Roger and Oden “were too early for”

[near osprey]

That's tracked in the SH Travel Log I'm sure.

[left field]

If she were to join she would be able to complete the part of the journey Oden never got to see

[near osprey]

and I'm sure the SH Travel Log that details all of their adventures will end up being published and sold and the future will see it as a fairy tale

Only time it was mentioned though was after Brook joined and he said he read through it and was practically starstruck

[left field]

The best part about believing she’s not gonna join is if she doesn’t join then I’ll feel satisfied from being right and if she does join then I’ll appreciate the fact that there’s a new crew member

[near osprey]

I'd be disappointed if she doesn't join, be a bit wasteful for a character like to remain in Wano rather than journey along with the crew.

I already think she's an awesome character and i'd love to spend more time with her as a reader and viewer.

That's why I'm hoping Law remains consistent with the SH for the remainder as well as he's already feeding into the SH Dynamic

His reaction when they ran into Raizo and wanted to see his Ninja arts killed me

That whole scene killed me honestly

[nimble thistle]

If you think about it, Usopp's already achieved one of his dreams. To be a mighty, brave warrior sailing the seas? He achieved that when he was Sniper King. Yes he was doing it under false pretense to save face to the SH crew during Enies Lobby, but he was still that strong, brave warrior he wanted to be. It also showed that he actually has the potential to be that strong, brave warrior in the future--So it's not an impossible dream for him.

That pretty much just leaves sailing the world to bring stories back to Kaya, no? Was more of a promise to meet again than anything, but even still, what else does he really have?

[neat tinsel]

tbf, Usopp's dream is incredibly vague

can't really say he's achieved it at any point until he himself acknowledges it

[nimble thistle]

What is Jimbei's dream? Peace and prosperity for Fishman Island and Fishmen alike? I know that seemed to be one of his goals with being a pirate, especially aligning with Big Mom on FMI's behalf for protection for FMI.

[neat tinsel]

probably carrying on Otohime's whole thing

equality between fishmen and humans

I'm still think it's preposterous to say Yamato is joining 100% omg new straw hat at this point

[nimble thistle]

I don't think she would. 🤔 That's my personal opinion. I don't see what tangible benefit she'd have to gain from it.

She can easily be a player that just stays in Wano and shows up in the Final War.

[neat tinsel]

yh, she also doesn't exactly have a well defined role in the crew

like all the other straw hats have

[nimble thistle]

When it comes to rounding out the crew, other than having a larger crew size, the only thing really missing would be boarders imo. Like how Buggy and Shanks were for Roger, and Ace was at one point for Whitebeard.

[half bolt]

any theories on sanji's new abilities?

[neat tinsel]

not really sure what to theorise on Sanji's abilities

I don't really feel like there's a whole lot to discuss

[half bolt]

so you think its just the same that happened to his siblings

[junior cape]

Well he's tanky as shit now. That's 1 thing. He has hyper regen with his exoskeleton. He probably has massively amped up physical ability now from where he was. And from what we can see, he still has emotion, so he's still a "failure" in Judge's eyes.

[neat tinsel]

pretty much, didn't he himself say that

[half bolt]

seemed like he was speculating or trying to make sense of it

[neat tinsel]

eh maybe, but I don't really see what else it can be

[runic osprey]

Its pretty much confirmed after he recovered from all those broken bones in no time

[runic osprey]

With his haki he is gonna be a literal tank

[neat tinsel]

I really hope the rest of the straw hats start to develop haki of some kind

like, the fact that Brook doesn't have armament at this point seems a bit dumb to me

[pure raven]

I have a theory that the Will of D is the ability to be able to consume multiple fruits, for example marshall D Teach

[amber oar]

Except there have been tons and tons of Ds through history, yet only one double DF user. As talked by the Five Elders, if they of all people said Teach is the first ever, in a private meeting where they have nothing to hide, it's because he is the first ever.

[half bolt]

i doubt that

with how strong some are, it wouldnt even always help to have two

[pure raven]

You have a really good point i cant disagree

[foggy pelican]

Im doing a re read and just finished reverie which of course reminded me of Sabo, Im curious to hear what are all of your opinions on what happened to Sabo?

[clever quiver]

he prolly got caught

[foggy pelican]

I personally am unsure if Oda will do the captured brother soon to be executed thing again, cause it would feel like repeating marine ford kinda.

[clever quiver]

yeah ig

[foggy pelican]

yeah that would make the most sense but I just hope it somehow ends up being a different situation from what happened with Ace.

[clever quiver]

imagine luffy comin out of wano to hear sabo has been caught

[foggy pelican]

I guess that would be a good catalyst to get the straw hats to meet up with the revolutionary army

[clever quiver]

yeahhh thatd be cool

[brazen cairn]

If Robin gets captured again it's gonna piss me off One Piece for a long time

Feels reductive and like treading old ground

[foggy pelican]

yeah idk if its gonna happen though

like brook, franky, and jimbe are all relatively untouched so I think they should be able to put up a fight until some form of backup arrives

[spice berry]

Franky low on cola.

[neat tinsel]

eh, he was still willing to help Zoro vs King

so he should be able to defend robin, at least for a bit

[left field]

Anyone here think that Weevils mustache is a fake

Or at the very least coincidentally similar to Newgates

[narrow latch]

BB having an octopus DF isnt that bad of an idea since it would compliment his yami yami fruit well, because having 8 arms that are meant to grab and grip your opponent will allow his yami yami to nullify their abilities

[formal quest]

Also octopus has 3 hearts

[nimble thistle]

They also, as I mentioned has been somewhat debunked, are at least said to require very minimal sleep, if at all zero noticeable sleep.

[agile tangle]

Is it the same thing that the siblings have?

Then shouldn't Judge not care that there are guns pointed at them? Does that mean guns are their weakness?

[grizzled fog]

Not sure what you mean by this. Germa is bulletproof but it was mentioned in wci that the BM pirates specifically developed a special bullet that was capable of harming them. And when did judge show concern at guns being pointed at them?

[junior cape]

Yes. Sanji's siblings all have super high tankiness because of their exoskeleton, plus they heal much faster than normal.

[agile tangle]

Ah I see, I think I misunderstood the panel, thanks

[sinful wedge]

I don't think we are skimming over these things so quickly and Kaido is not just any villain, there seems to be way too many cues suggesting that there will be a solid backstory for him.

[junior cape]

yeah

we've been building up to him for 10 years now. it would feel like a bit of a cop-out to not know why he is who he is

[pure raven]

Bb already has strongest paramecia and logia if he gets strongest zoan ye. Luffy better get gear 20 lol. Imagine they give bb cocting and stuff like that 💀

[nimble thistle]

I don't like how everybody says that Blackbeard has the technically strongest. Like, every DF is different and has totally different strengths and weaknesses. Besides, since we already know Blackbeard in the end is going to lose to Luffy, he doesn't actually have the strongest Paramecia anyways. I don't like DF categorization that way tbph.

[narrow latch]

3 hearts for 3 dfs

[left field]

What do y’all think Shiki’s role in the story is

Oda did not introduce him as a Rocks Pirates member and the first ever escapee of Impel Down for nothing sooo

[gleaming crest]

King is Shiki

[velvet linden]

I think as opposed to something happening to Sabo, I feel the paper may have said Sabo did something.

[lean spade]

Offensively the Quake Quake fruit was established as the strongest way back because it can have a global impact. Probably wouldn’t even need an Awakening. Just hit the right fault line

[velvet linden]

The guns BM pirates used were specifically designed to counteract their exo IIRC

[foggy pelican]

hmmm i could totally get behind that. All we know is that he was fighting fujitora and green bull right? maybe he did something to one of them?

[velvet linden]

Yep. I also thought it would be interesting if he did something to a reverie attendant (Vivi, Shira), or was framed to have done something 🤷‍♂️

[foggy pelican]

The framed one makes the most sense cause koala was also shocked at the paper too right?

[velvet linden]

Yeah exactly

[foggy pelican]

the only situation I see Sabo being captured in and not redoing marineford is that somehow blackbeard got him. But was anyone from bb crew there?

[drowsy wagon]

Imo luffys true dream is to be free

Not anything else

[foggy pelican]

okay? im confused as to how that relates but you do you

[junior cape]

Nope. Power set, fighting style, body size, and race are wrong. Cant be.

[nimble thistle]

That much I can understand. Having a tangible quality that makes it powerful on that scale is reasonable.

But trying to compare DF strength charts in a combat chart with a multitude of variables at play, and labeling one as the strongest over others? At the end of the day that #1 spot is going to be taken by Luffy since he's arguably going to defeat every clearly "better" DF in the OP 'verse.

[junior cape]

Plus Shiki, as canon, has just dipped out of the world view for a while. If Oda had any plans for him beyond strong world, wed have seen him in the background somewhere

[junior cape]

Instead he has literally only come up in past tense, whether it be with Rocks, or Impel Down. Never outside of those contexts.

[bitter hamlet]

i want brook to have a power up

tp fight cp0 memebers

[pure raven]

Idk if you have read the theory or not but the most likely theory is that there are 3 blackbeards

[acoustic helm]

https://www.opfanpage.com/2021/10/18/is-luffy-the-mysterious-eye-patch-character-that-will-appear-at-the-end-of-the-series-according-to-oda/

[acoustic helm]

Didn't Marco mentioned that BB body is different ,so shouldn't that contradict 3 Blackbeard logic ❓
Marco treated BB before BB got the fruit..

[nimble thistle]

The 3 BB theory is basically there are 3 Blackbeard personas, or 3 Blackbeard lives. His Jolly Roger would be the biggest work to support that fact. Also how somebody like Shanks was caught off guard by BB and injured; A likely two-second hypothesis scenario is that BB suddenly shifted persona and attacked Shanks. In addition, BB carries 3 pistols specifically tying in to his "3s" theme. In addition to thissss, both Luffy and Zoro knew that the BB talking about dreams, was not the same BB talking and rivaling it out with Luffy in the bar minutes prior.

[acoustic helm]

So that's why luffy laid emphasis on the personality of character he is fighting,
If shanks was off-guard due to bb changing personality ,maybe luffy can counter that..

[nimble thistle]

I think Luffy is already somewhat conscious of the fact that Blackbeard is just weird personality-wise. He would be caught off guard, but he'd eventually catch on to the subtle changes in Blackbeard to know who he's fighting. That is, if the 3 Blackbears is actually true. It's not set-in-stone guaranteed just yet, though the chances are supremely high.

[zinc iris]

The jolly Roger having 3 skulls must mean something

Every flag so far has been representative of its captain

[valid dagger]

Shanks wasn't off guard, he say that to WB

I am curios is how much raid suit can counter ryou or conqueror's haki

[deft sierra]

Guys what if JoyBoy had a child which he sent 800 years into the future using the time time fruit who will fulfil his wish and Luffy is that child because we they haven’t shown luffys mother or is he really Dragons son . Dragon might have found him ,N most of the people in One Piece say that” luffy is the one Roger is waiting for “

[nimble thistle]

He said he wasn't careless. That implies he had a level of guard up, yes, but it doesn't mean he couldn't be caught off guard by an unsuspecting foe (which I could strongly argue a second or third personality somebody may have to be.)

[solar knoll]

Well as much as a Good sword can take damage from another opponents swing with Haki

Roger’s sword ace vs Whitebeard haki

[nimble thistle]

I doubt they're going to show Luffy's mother. But Oda's stated that she is alive in the current timeline. If that's true, and your theory holds any merit, she would be one of the oldest living people on the planet.

For whatever reason, she was separated from Luffy, very possibly in to the possession of Dragon or Garp. If the former, Dragon eventually left Garp in custody of his child. If the latter, Garp likely traveled with Luffy for a time before leaving him on Dawn Island inbetween assignments.

[flat nimbus]

I don't get the fact that Shanks has those kind of scars from BB when he use guns and his fists?

[nimble thistle]

Blackbeard used to use a 3-point claw while he was with Whitebeard's crew.

[flat nimbus]

Got it, soz

[nimble thistle]

Nooo problem.

[pure raven]

Wait How powerful was BB to give that scar because if I remember Correctly shanks had it in the first chapter?

[nimble thistle]

You know, if you really think about it, I think Future Sight as an observation Haki is literally just that: heightened observation. It matches very well with the Third Eye martial arts concepts. Basically, you take in EVERYTHING about your opponent; How they breathe, their stance, the slightest shift in muscle, their past attacks, their personality, where they're looking--Everything. And you use all of that knowledge to predict your opponents next moves.

If that's the case and that's the basic inspiration, then Future Sight observation Haki isn't going to get much stronger in the OP story whatsoever imo.

[zinc iris]

Well shanks wasn't a yonko yet

[pure raven]

Yeah but he wasn't completely fodder either

[split glacier]

And BB was still a noob sailing on 4 logs. Blackbeard 1 - 0 Shanks atm

[acoustic helm]

Shanks scar is similar to conquerors coated attacks scar, maybe shanks was telling WB that BB had Coc coating long before and was still hiding under WB umbrella

[visual merlin]

wdym its similar to CoC coated scar?

[bitter hamlet]

bb has 2 twin brothers and yami yami nomi can absorb his brothers thats why he can use 2 devil fruits

@here

[proven sand]

also after the first confrontatione before skypea both zoro and luffy says about BB "its them" ....maybe they are not referring to the crew of BB but to BB himself

[bitter hamlet]

yes

in marineford bb's left hand has rings and then next panel is not there after eating gora gora nomi or maybe oda was very lazy draw that

we dont know

but it might come true

[drowsy marsh]

Yuderon also has an interesting theory. He thinks Blackbeard is part fishman. Not half kraken, but part Hydra.

[bitter mesa]

Hey guys during the last SBS Oda showed Robin with 40 Years old and with 60 years old. But the problem is that She looks exactly the same with 20 years different, this is probably a hint for something or just doesnt look like it

[bitter hamlet]

yeah that is also intersting

[plain shell]

Disagree. Explain how he predicted Pudding collapsing then

[bitter hamlet]

but bb brothers theory has point with proof so i will stick with it

[rough kernel]

This might be a small detail, but when the straw hat crew was given information about the laugh tale, some kind of whale would show up.

For example, laboon, and the statue on zunesha.

[acoustic helm]

Coc haki coated attacks seems to leave scar..

[fathom matrix]

Do you think sanji's power up is temporary and when he goes back on the ship, Chopper says "the more you use that suit, the faster you'll awaken your powers" but Sanji's still so tempted to throw it away.

But Chopper gives Him a speech about it's not what you're born as that makes you a monster, but how you act around others. He might say he became a monster to help Luffy, but only to have the powers as one, not to act like one.

[pure raven]

oooo

[pure raven]

but how would it work?

[fathom matrix]

Looking back, I think Califa was a good match up against nami, cause soapy water is very conductive, so I think Oda had that idea in mind, than just giving her another zoan

[stiff patrol]

Imagine if shanks turns out to be a villain and he was manipulating things in the background this entire time, would become the best villain of all time

[fathom matrix]

I know she's based around lamb, like how Fukaro is an owl, as every CP9 remember is a reference to an animal

[pure raven]

Kinemon revived

[solemn vine]

I think it would prolly be like 3 different people in one or a Cerberus devil fruit idk

[fathom matrix]

I kinda hope some of scabbards die, not because I hate them, but it's better to have a meaningful death with an impact, than a fake out.

Fake outs take away that impact. A few are fine, but when they're gone for real after too many or hell, even one, you start to not worry for the character or miss them when they're actually dead.

A few surviving is fine and would make sense, and they could help Momo as he become shogan, but after having that many injuries and going through that manu hardships, it would make sense some of them don't survive and those deaths inspire momo to go up faster.

Like, kinemon dying shows Momo that he no longer someone he sees as a father figure around anymore, so it shows he needs to further mature

[prime bluff]

Does luffy steal kaido ponelgyph

[pure raven]

Not yet I think. But robin law did go in treasure room if I recall I don’t completely remember

[vestal isle]

morj got me with his latest video tbh

it makes too much sense that the raid would fail

[pure raven]

ohh

[near osprey]

The Raid isn't going to fail this isn't Marineford

If the Raid fails Wano literally gets wiped off the map and Kaido becomes the PK

Because him and Big Mom would tear through any opposition

and Luffy would be killed.

People really out here acting like Luffy isn't going to have another Gear with his new application of Haki to defeat Kaido or at least another form of Gear 4th as he did too defeat Katakuri

Kaido and Big Mom are done done as antagonistic forces after Wano

Cause after Wano OP is entering the Final Saga

[stuck sail]

It's legitimately bad writing if big mom goes down without anywhere near as much focus as Kaido

[near osprey]

She's fighting Law and Kidd

She got her focus during Whole Cake

[stuck sail]

Offscreen...

[near osprey]

Now her and Kaido have joined an Alliance, Kidd and Law have to beat her Sanji and Zoro have to beat King and Queen while Luffy takes down Kaido

[stuck sail]

The fact is she'd basically be a side show then. Kaido's been taking damage all day. Big Mom has barely taken any so far

[near osprey]

She's been fighting Law and Kidd the whole time and before that her and Kaido we're fighting the Worst Generation

[stuck sail]

The point is no emperor is getting off screened

You can't expect me to believe a drop of blood in one panel is supposed to make it believable sorry

[near osprey]

Exactly as we're getting fed Kaido vs Luffy he's not going to ignore Law and Kidd vs Big Mom

Kidd and Law are still fighting her as Luffy and Kaido's final bout started

[stuck sail]

Then whether or not that is a good fight or will even be concluded remains to be seen

[near osprey]

Why wouldn't it be Oda finally gets to fully showcase Kidd

[stuck sail]

Big Mom has more leverage and leeway to get out of this arc than Kaido

And she's not dumb enough to stick around and get destroyed by the marines, the WG, or Law and Kid if it ever came down to it

[near osprey]

If they fail to defeat Big Mom she can just fuck up Luffy's fight

[stuck sail]

Then all they would really need to accomplish is to hold her off until Kaido is down ._.

[near osprey]

Nah she's going to be knocked out for sure.

Kidd is written as Luffy's Rival more than anyone else.

[stuck sail]

Blackbeard

[near osprey]

So narratively it makes sense he'll be the one to take down Big Mom while Luffy takes down Kaido

Nah Blackbeard is Luffy's antagonistic Rival, Kidd falls under an entirely different Rival Category

Like Naruto and Sasuke level rivalry or Goku and Vegeta

[stuck sail]

It could happen but saying that it definitely will because of something like that is saying "you just know" because of like 2 panels in udon lol

[near osprey]

He's been neck and neck with Luffy since his introduction

[stuck sail]

He hasn't even been relevant to the story until this arc and we're nearing the end.

[near osprey]

Okay but when the Worst Generation was introduced he was the only one with a bounty higher than Luffy's

and Killer is the only member like Zoro to be considered part of that Generation

[stuck sail]

I dont believe it's impossible but it could just as easily make every sense that Luffy is clearly speed running to pirate king for him to surpass the WG entirely even. None of what's happening now really makes all that much sense to ever arc prior.

[near osprey]

Luffy and Kidd resemble that of Roger and Whitebeard

[vestal isle]

Kid has gotten no development at all, he desperately needs some if he wants to be at that level

[near osprey]

He's going to after Wano

[stuck sail]

Parrarells are not reasoning lol

[near osprey]

Kidd and Law are most likely going to remain consistent forces for the remainder of OP

[vestal isle]

Yeah but if he’s going to beat big mom the development should happen now

[stuck sail]

Katakuri has a better written relationship with Luffy. Smoker had the Garp pararells. Now it's totally Koby

[near osprey]

Oda was focused on Law first before he focuses on Luffy's parallel

[vestal isle]

Big mom is terrifying and almost unstoppable, it doesnt make sense for a character who has hardly been developed to defeat her

[stuck sail]

Considering outside of killer Kids' crew isnt even known why should I take him seriously as of right now as that huge of a figure

[vestal isle]

The raid failing gives all of these characters some dramatic tension

[near osprey]

Because of how Oda clearly intends to use Kidd narratively

[vestal isle]

It is clear but it hasnt happened yet so how could he defeat big mom

[stuck sail]

Dramatic tension as an excuse to reset an entire arc is the most bullshit reasoning

[near osprey]

Because he's going to defeat her simple as that

[vestal isle]

You’re not resetting the arc

[stuck sail]

You absolutely are lol

[vestal isle]

Oh okay then my bad😂

[near osprey]

If the Raid fails you're resetting the arc

You're wasting four years of build up for Luffy to fail

[vestal isle]

You are not because the marines are coming and the circumstances have changed

[near osprey]

Shanks is also coming

[vestal isle]

Time doesnt have anything to do with it

[near osprey]

Oda isn't going to extend One Piece even further just for dramatic tension

[stuck sail]

Another thing to me is that everytime the SHs have failed there has been a major reason for it

[near osprey]

Luffy already suffered incredible defeat during Sabaody and Marineford

[stuck sail]

Outside of strength or power or tension.

[near osprey]

He trained for two years so he won't lose.

[stuck sail]

And build up in arcs prior. You saw the SHs hitting a wall at Thriller bark as the odds scaled higher and higher

[near osprey]

He fought and trained with Katakuri so he won't lose to Kaido

[stuck sail]

And then sabaody happened. And then marineford.

[near osprey]

Like the Straw Hats aren't going to fail in Wano

[stuck sail]

Where is that with wano? It seems like they'd just be failing just to fail at that point

[near osprey]

Luffy is going to succeed, Kidd and Law will succeed and most likely be named as Yonko's

Zoro and Sanji are going to get over billion berry bounties

Luffy is going to jump to 4B

[stuck sail]

Most of the things even potentially pointing to something like that are one note lines and while the raid could definitely have better writing it just seems like people coping because it's not what they expected

[near osprey]

Because the next arc is a war arc

[vestal isle]

Im just surprised because the writing is a little lacking at the moment

[near osprey]

It'll be Marineford 2.0

[stuck sail]

There is legitimately no evidence the raid will fail and morj's video is basically just like "well there are things left to do in the arc and the arc formula isn't exactly followed"

[vestal isle]

So if it just kinda ends it will be like oh okay that was nice then

[near osprey]

I like the writing personally

[stuck sail]

Kaido and Big Mom do kinda feel like your normal villain right now which fucking sucks ngl

[vestal isle]

Yeah i dont like the standard arc argument either

But it does feel like a lot of the things that he points as being unresolved are inherently tied to wano

[near osprey]

Oda is starting to reveal a lot of shit he's been keeping under wraps and hinting at

and a lot of prophecies are starting to become reality.

[stuck sail]

I think 90% of things like that can be handled in the post raid

[vestal isle]

So maybe an info dump at the end would suffice but usually it happens gradually

[near osprey]

This is how I predict Post Wano going.

[vestal isle]

Yeah i could see that as well

[stuck sail]

But damn...even then Oda usually does deliver major arc points a lot more... subtly and in more natural ways than that

[vestal isle]

Maybe i was too hardline before, i should say that it wouldn’t surprise me if the raid fails. I dont know if i believe in it or not

That’s my point right like did oda just forget how to write? Or is he rushing it?

[near osprey]

CP-0 will attempt to capture Robin but will end up being stopped by Shanks, as Shanks seems to have interest in meeting Luffy post Whole Cake when he was named an Emperor and said "Looks like I'll be seeing Luffy soon"

Shanks will pretty much act as the info dump for the crew and Luffy

[vestal isle]

I doubt there will be yonko after kaido and big mom fall

[near osprey]

Nahh Shanks is different from them

[vestal isle]

The power balance is changing, the world doesnt need a concept like that anymore

[stuck sail]

My big thing is that if the raid was meant to fail I dont think there would even be this grand debate because people like morj would have stronger points to prove it

[near osprey]

Luffy already a Yonko, Yonko's are Powerful Pirates with a broad reach of power

[stuck sail]

Outside of just "the arc would be better if it bad this"

[near osprey]

Luffy has an entire fleet under him and has Fishman as a Territory

[vestal isle]

that is a fair point i cant argue

If you look at it that way its probably just copium

But it would definitely excuse a lot of the decisions being made

[stuck sail]

Ngl it doesn't feel as earned on behalf of the SHs as it should

[near osprey]

But Luffy is Yonko in name only once he beats Kaido it'll be an official Title and once Kidd beats Big Mom he'll most likely take her place as well.

Shanks will be the only remaining old guard

as BB became one when he beat the Whitebeard Pirates

[vestal isle]

The biggest thing for me is luffys second loss to kaido. It could have just not happened and everything would be the same. And i dont just think that cause of morj ive been waiting for the explanation on that one for a while now

[near osprey]

Luffy always loses at least twice

Before he beats them the 3rd or 4th time

[vestal isle]

If the entire purpose of it was so that momo could grow up and we could get a time check on onigashima surely there would have been better ways to handle that

[near osprey]

I think Oda just ready to move on from Wano so he's moving things at a faster pace than usual

[vestal isle]

Yeah but there is usually a reason for it, this one felt pointless

[near osprey]

Well first time is just Luffy being Luffy plus he needed to learn that new Haki

[vestal isle]

Yeah i get that, which is kinda disappointing cause it feels lacking

[stuck sail]

Sucks :/

[near osprey]

2nd time is Kaido still being at full strength not weakened from the constant fighting

[stuck sail]

I like the cool moments happening faster than expected but they lack the same impact

[near osprey]

I think the anime will do them justice

[vestal isle]

I agree we’re basically speedrunning them

[stuck sail]

I think Luffy can still lose another time but it doesn't need to be raid ending mostly so the SHs can get a better fight lol

[near osprey]

Nahh I doubt we're getting a Doflamingo moment

I think it'll be a full on brawl until one of them falls this time

[vestal isle]

Lmaoo i feel that but only 5 min or something til onigashima falls

[stuck sail]

Anime 🙏 save the flying 6 fights

[vestal isle]

At that point they’re looking at an L most likely

[near osprey]

But fights like Zoro vs King, Sanji vs Queen, Kidd and Law vs Big Mom and Luffy vs Kaido will get special animation treatment like 957, or start of Onigashima or the beginning of the Raid

Actually all of the fights might have special treatment imo

Cause the Manga has been having crazy moment after crazy moment since 1000

[stuck sail]

Hype << Substance and hype

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Jinbei vs Who's Who will get an entire episode same with Cat vs King

Plus Robin's fight and her new power reveal will definitely get major treatment

Oda moving things along at a fast pace in Manga will get more focus in the anime

I think people would complain more if Onigashima hasn't moved at its current pace imo

[stuck sail]

Yeah you cant really win

Weekly curse

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People would've been like "Holy shit Robin's been fighting this chick for 5 chapters now can we please get Luffy vs Kaido already I want this arc over"

[stuck sail]

I'd argue the faster pacing has contributed to that mentality

It wasn't until Luffy started making huge power jumps that people were like "ok we need Luffy to be ready to fight Akainu now!!111!! Let's wrap this up"

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I don't mind it honestly like I know Wano is going to end in Straw Hat Victory I like the fact Oda isn't taking his time with each individual fight

But at least showing us each members power up in some shape or form

For future battles

Because after this it's what Mariejois, Elbaf and LaughTale?

[stuck sail]

Would it not make more sense to skimp on the pre-raid instead

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Nami got an upgrade with her Climatact and Big Moms cloud dude, Robin has her demon form, Franky is going to get Queen's lasers, Zoro is going to probably do an upgraded Thousand World

Sanji is getting his mid fight with Queen

Chopper worked with Caesar on upgrading his Monster Point now the duration is longer.

Usopp is Usopp he's a God Sniper actually Sniper King only person who matches him is probably Yasopp and Blackbeard's Sniper

Brook has always been strong

Same with Jinbei and now we're getting Yamato as a new member too

Luffy is going to be trying to return the Straw Hat to Shanks here real soon

Then we got what The Monster Trio + Yamato vs Sakazuki and the Admirals

Luffy and SH vs Imu and the Five Dons

and a large scale conflict between Luffy + The Worst Generation and Blackbeard at LaughTale

Then we got Post LaughTale, Luffy is Pirate King, Zoro is the Greatest Swordsman, Sanji finds the All Blue, Nami finishes her Map, Usopp becomes a Brave Adventurer and finally visits Elbaf, Brook reunites with Laboom, Franky's Dream Ship conquers the Grand Line, Chopper cures everything, Robin finally figured out the Void Century

Wano is the catalyst for the Straw Hat Crew finally realizing their dream after this it's a battle for the One Piece

Fishman Island most likely going to be setting out on Noah after Wano, Luffy's Grand Fleet have been having adventures of their own waiting on Luffy's call which will most likely happen Post Wano as Sabo is more than likely under captivity by the WG and going to be executed soon so they pull Dragon out from hiding

Wano marks the beginning to the end of OP a lot of build up is starting to pour over and Oda has been slowly moving shit along

WG got rid of the Shicibukai because Vegapunk developed a Weapon they're confident will help them conquer the sea, Blackbeard is doing what he does best and acting in the Shadows waiting for his moment and Luffy is about to defeat the Strongest of the Yonko

Hell people think Sanji isn't going to have Conq Haki but I highly doubt that as he's going to need it if he's going to stand toe to toe with one of the Admirals later on

Luffy, Zoro and Yamato already have it so why would Sanji be left out to dry.

[vestal orbit]

tbf no reason for the admirals to have coc

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I'd imagine they do though as Kizaru was able to go toe to toe with Rayleigh despite Rayleigh knowing the advanced Haki Technique Luffy just learned.

[vestal orbit]

it's not like coc is something that's solely related to strength

kizaru's not exactly kingly

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Even if Rayleigh was aged we're talking about someone who was 2nd to Roger.

Yeah but Sanji still going to have CoC

Oda wouldn't give to Three out Four of the Straw Hats Power Group

Especially as they're going to still get stronger from this point forward

[vestal orbit]

yeah sanji's def got the potential for coc, just saying the admirals don't necessarily need it/don't seem to have it

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I think they will though

Powerful Characters alway seem to have CoC

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what kingly qualities does kizaru have

making sense with their characters is more important

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They're the Kings of their form of Justice duhh

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LOL

Garp probably has it but that hasn't been expressed either Oda most likely just saving it for later

[pearl berry]

Me at episode 100 of the anime reading this channel and not understanding anything
But still reading for some reason😃

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LOL this is the major spoiler channel don't read it

[pearl berry]

Ye I realised

Imma just keep my distance and stay away

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Until you're caught up entirely with the anime/manga avoid these kinda channels

Stick with General

[pearl berry]

Ye imma stay away from this server in general

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or #catching-up

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Wonder if Law is going to get CoC or if that'll just be Kidd

I'm sure he will if he continues on journeying with the SH crew

[grand walrus]

i agree that elbaf is probably after the main conflict of the series arises. only issue is if there is some world war then the giants should get in on it right???

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Nahh I think Elbaf will be more like Zou

I think New Marineford is next

Unless they use Elbaf as a meeting spot before New Marineford

But I think Elbaf will be used as a meeting spot before they raid Mariejois

Cause Mariejois is most likely where the 4th Road Poneglyph is hidden

[pure raven]

i never thought of that

so elbaf, raid on maiejois and then laugh tale?

[fathom matrix]

I think the raid will succeed, but the failure comes from the marines/CP0 taking over.

Cause it's gonna be a reverse of the marineford situation, where Shank's crew put a stop to the fight, cause both the pirates and the marines were exhausted and damaged as hell, so it might be a situation where after all those pirates are exhausted, no matter who wins or loses, they can't fight back because of the loss in numbers as such

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Well one is on Zou, they got etching of the one Big Mom had and they'll have it from Kaido

[pure raven]

i feel like it would make more sense for luffy to become pirate king before he raids mariejois

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Only makes sense for the last one to be in possession of the WG

Which is why no one has succeeded at conquering the GL but Roger

Luffy gathers his fleet post wano to save Sabo, once they save Sabo they'll need some where to run to so they go to Elbaf

Sabo some how figures out where the last Road Poneglyph is

and the Straw Hat Alliances move there to take it

or Shanks tells them where it's at

[weak arrow]

Should read my theory in the pins about Sabo Doesnt really make sense for the WG to have it. It'd either be moved by a whitebeard remnant like marco, taken by blackbeard because he might have known its location as he was a whitebeard pirate, or taken by Shanks as he would have known its location because he was a Roger Pirate. Not really any reason why it'd be in WG possession or why Sabo would know about it, thus I don't think the story has time for a rescue mission for the strawhats to take part in

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Thing is though we have to go to New Marineford still

and Ace met back up with Luffy in Alabasta which is parallel to Dressrosa

and while Luffy is fighting in Thriller Bark who gets captured but Ace?

Well Luffy is fighting in Wano now and what news dropped during that time something related to Sabo

Most likely his capture

WG wanted to take down Whitebeard so what'd they do announce a public execution for Ace to drag Whitebeard out and they succeeded

So now who do they want, ahh Dragon so announce a public execution for Sabo, Dragon obviously grabs his army to save Sabo and boom Marineford 2.0

But this time Luffy has his entire crew behind him and his Grand Fleet this time his brother doesn't become a donut because Luffy has the power and strength to save him

[weak arrow]

Luffy would have go to backwards which is even further away from laugh tale. Marineford was the final arc b4 post-ts. The New marineford arc will probaby parallel it as the "final arc" of the series. I really do not see this happening. Fighting the marines/WG at this point just doesnt fit the story imo b4 reaching laugh tale.

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Yeah but this is the final saga after Wano

One Piece will literally be three or four arcs away from ending and we've already been told the next arc will be a war arc

So Marineford 2.0 at New Marineford is the most likely candidate.

"But why would we get Marineford 2.0" because Luffy failed at Marineford

[weak arrow]

where is the next arc will be a war arc stated

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There's a theme of Pre-Timeskip arcs resembling those of Post Timeskip so it only makes sense for Marineford to get a 2.0

A fan asked if the manga is really ending in 5 years to which Oda answered-

"Yes. But rather than saying serialization ends, I would say it’s over because the most interesting part of Luffy’s adventure, the story of what is One Piece exactly? is done at that point.

Right now Wano arc is heating, but if Luffy is to leave there safe and sound, it’ll lead to a worldly development , an exciting story no one has ever read, I’ll be drawing the “Biggest War” of OP history.

It’ll be very interesting!! And so, I made the announcement to notify the readers and make them realize that “this long story is actually heading towards its end."

But, right now you should be enjoying the exciting Wano country arc. I’ll draw it with all I’ve got!!"

[weak arrow]

Not really stating the next arc will be a war arc

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But he's hinting at one

[weak arrow]

Well yeah, everyone knows the biggest war is coming

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Picture Marineford 2.0 being more like Whole Cake where the only goal is to save Sabo and get out

Luffy might trade blows with Sakazuki but not a full scale conflict between the two that'll happen later on

Because this is what we're looking at

A Three Sided Conflict we have Straw Hats on one side, Blackbeard on another and the World Government on the other.

Odds are the Worst Generation will be allied with Luffy maybe some allied with BB

[weak arrow]

Why is blackbeard involved?

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Because Blackbeard wants the One Piece too and is the other point of power building up in the New World

We've got three parties here vying for control

WG wants to maintain their control, Luffy wants to be the Pirate King as does Blackbeard

[weak arrow]

Yeah but what is blackbeard's motivation to be involved here

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Might just be how things end up by the time we make it to LaughTale

Who knows how Oda plans on this war going

That's why it's a theory

Here's what we do know, we've got Luffy being back by Shanks and Marco, we've got the Grand Fleet and Luffy's worked with majority of his Generation at one point or another at this point in the story even if some do still remain antagonistic that'll probably change post Wano

Also Crocodile most likely leaning towards Team Luffy

We've got Blackbeard who we know barely anything about but he had a force large enough to defeat the Whitebeard Remnants

and then the WG the Admirals and their new weapon

Plus Imu and the Five Dons might end up fighting as well.

[weak arrow]

I mean, Luffy is not being backed my Shanks. Shanks would not be involved in this conflict at all if it does occur. Luffy + his fleet + dragon and the revos would not even equal the forces the marines fought at Marineford and the marines have only gotten stronger. This would not even classify as the "biggest war" in OP history either. It's basically the same scale as Marineford, not worthy of any distinction from it. It'd only be bigger if it was truly worldwide, like something after One Piece is found.

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So a Three Sided war fought for complete supremacy as the RA will most likely also be behind Luffy

Why would Shanks not participate in this battle when everything will be on the line

We're talking about the WG Government maintaining control or Blackbeard obtaining whatever is hidden on LaughTale

[heady parrot]

world government government

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If the World is going to head into a direction of peace Luffy is the only bet

[weak arrow]

Where is "blackbeard obtaining whatever is hidden on laughtale" coming from? This is going to be a rescue mission for Sabo, so again, I dont really see blackbeard participating either but you do so

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Nooo Marineford 2.0 isn't the final battle

That's only to save Sabo the Final Battle is going to held at LaughTale

Marineford 2.0 is going to be a taste of whats to come.

Marineford 2.0 will more be a skirmish

the Legendary War for the One Piece? It'll be at or near LaughTale

[weak arrow]

Yeah, so basically we dont have time for a marineford 2.0

unless you combine it all

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Yes we do.

Marineford 2.0, Elbaf, Mariejois then LaughTale

Three major arcs and one mini arc

[weak arrow]

yeah and there's supposedly 5 years

you know each major arc takes like 2 years

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Oda is bad at predicting when it'll be over we all know this

But he's at least prepping to end it

[weak arrow]

also going backwards

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Gotta save Sabo

Luffy put his last journey on hold to save Ace he'll do the same for Sabo

[weak arrow]

#manga-theories message

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Plausible but honestly I feel like Oda would want Luffy to save Sabo

Sure the RA can possibly do it and they might attempt too

But where did they say New Marineford got moved too?

I know Akainu moved it into the New World was it at the start or middle of it?

Depending on that will decide how things will progress moving forward

Maybe we do get another Impel Down breakout would make sense as Doflamingo would have a role to play in the final saga

Most likely allying himself with Blackbeard as Crocodile most likely allies with Luffy

[weak arrow]

New Marineford is basically on the new world side of the redline, so like if you came up straight from fmi you could be like right there

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We'll have to wait and see then I see Marineford 2.0 in the not too distant future but I could be wrong.

I'm happy with whatever Oda does as I'm sure he won't disappoint either way

[weak arrow]

I think Marineford 2.0 would be disappointing personally, either with Sabo/Vivi/Robin as potential "rescuees", especially Robin, so I would say I definitely have bias against the theory. I just don't think Luffy should go backwards on his journey until after Laugh Tale. This will also coincide with him destroying FMI once he does decide to go backwards. I just don't think now is the time.

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Nah CP-0 is going to fail at capturing Robin no doubt

If they do she'll be taken to Mariejois where you imagine Hancock is at

So they rescue Robin again, Hancock and Kuma from the Celestials

Bleh do we need another Enies Lobby

So Impel Down happens in the background, they save Sabo, Hancock already shipped back off to be a Slave, Robin gets captured by CP-0 so Luffy moves to Mariejois to save Robin and ends up saving Hancock and Kuma in process and beating the fuck out of Lucci a 2nd time

So Mariejois pretty much Enies Lobby 2.0

How would that be any different from Marineford 2.0??

[weak arrow]

Yeah I said I wouldn’t want that.

I can even see big mom successfully taking Robin and I hate that too Basically all rescue ideas done by the strawhats = bad

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I mean it's plausible for Enies 2.0 honestly it'd make sense as Luffy will have to fight Lucci again

Seeing as CP-0 is an ongoing threat since Dressrosa

[weak arrow]

Fighting lucci doesnt make sense since luffy would absolutely destroy him

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Ugh people who don't think Yamato is going to join are the worst

Like Oda would not have Yamato ask Luffy to join and present her reasoning for it and his relationship to Ace and be like "ahh never mind Yamato doesn't want to set sail anymore"

Hell if Yamato wasn't going to join she wouldn't have been written with a connection to Ace

and she wouldn't be Kozuki Oden in name

[vestal orbit]

she's going to make up for Oden's mistake in leaving wano and stay there to defend it

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Nah Momo and the Akazaya are fully capable of doing that she doesn't need to remain in Wano

They need a 4th Member to handle one of the three Admirals who's on par with Sanji and Zoro

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not with the world government invading

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Jinbei doesn't fit that role

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especially when so many of their members are dead

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"Dead"

In my eyes Yamato joining is a guarantee.

No backtracking from Oda she's guaranteed to set sail on the Thousand Sunny as the newest edition to the Straw Hats

[mortal field]

I mean, with the merch and all that yea

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She'll stand with Luffy, Sanji and Zoro when they're staring down the Admirals

and she'll be there to fight whoever her parallel is on BBs ship

[vestal orbit]

don't actually mind yamato, just hoping she doesn't join because it's going to be hilarious watching the meltdown

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I don't see why people don't like the idea of her joining or that people are being pre-emptive in saying she's going to join

like that people are being*

[vestal orbit]

and also because it works with my headcanon for wano's ending

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Like Oda has already planted that idea in from the get go and Yamato is a badass character

[vestal orbit]

vivi was advertised like a future straw hat as well, jinbe's still a force to be reckoned with

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Yeah but Jinbei can't stand on common ground with Sanji Luffy or Zoro in terms of strength that's why he was fighting Who's Who rather than Jack

[nimble thistle]

She has no actual, tangible benefit to joining the crew 🤷 Carrot makes more sense because it would link the Straw Hats to the minks, much in the same way Jimbei links the Straw Hats to the Fishmen. But Yamato joining would just be a plain, ordinary, dreamless companion for combat, to detract from Sanji and Zoro (not to mention Jimbei who literally just OFFICIALLY joined the Crew.)

Everybody on the Crew servers at least some purpose, or has some overall, underlying, unfulfilled dream they want to accomplish.

[vestal orbit]

and that's why he stomped who's who

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Yeah but if Jinbei was going to fill that role he'd have been the one who took on Jack

Not Cat Viper

[vestal orbit]

the scabbards needed something more to do, wouldn't have been a good idea to turn this conflict about wano and the beast pirates into just the straw hats and the beast pirates

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Plus Oden was the last member Roger needed to conquer the Grand Line, Yamato is pretty much a parallel to Oden even as far as Yamato calling herself Oden

So odds are she'll be the final piece to the Straw Hat crew

As Luffy is Rogers parallel that's expressed by characters who knew Roger saying Luffy is just like him

[vestal orbit]

seeing as yamato read oden's logbook, she'd already know everything there was to know about what's to come and she'd just have to pretend to be excited and confused or end up spoiling everything

also probably shouldn't keep talking in the theories channel

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Right now Yamato joining stands as a theory so I'd say it's the right place

[vestal orbit]

we're arguing that point though, feels like it's discussion that should be moved to another channel

almost like we're "theorizing" whether zoro would beat sanji or vice versa

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There's been some joke characters Luffy has extended an invitation for but usually when a character brings up joining or Luffy asks them it's going to happen much like Jinbei, Brook, Franky and now Yamato

It's not going to take away from Jinbei as he said he was joining at the end of Fishman once he took care of his business

Yamato's business is opening Wano which'll happen Post Wano and to be free like Oden meaning she wants to set sail and the crew she wants to join is Luffy's because he's like Oden and is Ace's brother.

She doesn't need some big major dream much as Usopp's isn't world changing

Usopp just wants to be a Brave Warrior of the Sea, Yamato wants to see the World or at least what remains of the SH Journey

[pure raven]

first time posting a theory so idk if anyone else has come up w this, but you know the way the samurai of Wano were saying that zoro reminds them of ryuma, my theory is that zoro is either from the same family as ryuma or his reincarnation. Oda never rly gave a good backstory for zoro and we dont rly know why he is so loyal to luffy. I have a feeling that luffy might be a re incarnation of roger which is why zoro is so loyal because ryuma might have been roger's right hand man so it only makes sense for zoro to do the same. Like every other straw hat has a good reason for being so loyal to luffy e.g. luffy saved namis town from arlong, Zoro decided one day to follow luffy. The other theory is maybe the situation w zoro is similar to mikasa in attack on titan. It's possible that zoro comes from a bloodline that serve the will of D. Jus some thoughts I had

[vestal orbit]

one piece is ultimately a series aimed towards children

saying that trying to be someone that you're not (much as yamato is trying to be oden) will lead you to success sends a horrible message towards kids

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Ryuma wasn't on Rogers ship but Zoro most likely does come from his family line and Luffy isn't Roger Reincarnated persay he's JoyBoy reincarnated as Roger might have been.

[vestal orbit]

reincarnations would kinda ruin one piece imo

all this talk about inherited wills and then suddenly, "nope, you're not carrying on their legacy, you are them reincarnated"

also ryuma and roger lived literal centuries apart lol

[near osprey]

As Luffy has shown resemblance to JoyBoy especially when Who's Who spoke about him

But then again inherited wills so Luffy might not be JoyBoy persay but has the inherited will of JoyBoy

As Luffy also inherited Whitebeard and Ace's will

[pure raven]

ye thats what I was thinking, to be honest I doubt my theories r gonna come true cause they're way too predictable, like a lot of other anime have probably done similar things but I do think Oda is gonna come up with something good for Zoro backstory or why hes so loyal

[pure raven]

did they reveal anything abt ryuma? I swear they only said his name

[near osprey]

Zoro is loyal because he decided to become Luffy's underling simple as, Zoro's character leans more towards old ideals and sense of loyalty much like how the Samurai were in Japan

and Zoro embodies that of a Samurai and the ideals of Samurai he's merely loyal because of his ideals.

That's why ever since he's joined with Luffy he hasn't questioned his decisions saying "Well he's the Captain"

[vestal orbit]

well, in one piece alone we know for a fact that ryuma was a legendary wano samurai, one that lived literal centuries ago iirc

wouldn't make sense for oden to not have met ryuma either

and then there's the fact that oda already wrote a bit of a prequel/side story to one piece called monsters featuring ryuma which was set hundreds of years ago lol

[pure raven]

he's not meant to be a samurai tho, he's a swordsman, samurai are only in Wano aren't they?

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Yeah but Zoro is a possible Wano Descendant

[vestal orbit]

wano escapees settled in the east blue

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as his home country had ties to Wano

[pure raven]

I dont think im paying enough attention, since when did ppl escape from Wano?

[near osprey]

Plus he trained in a Dojo where Samurai train

[pure raven]

oh wait I remeber now

[vestal orbit]

speedreader

kuina's family

shimotsuki

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But I'm outta here I've been discussing OP Theories all day and still have to hit the gym and work a little bit so peace out have fun everyone.

[visual merlin]

late, but all attacks can leave scars

[modest skiff]

When a topic drags into being more of an argument than a discussion, as is clearly the case with this topic, it stops being appropriate for the theories channel. Yamato yes/no joining is often talked about in #also-manga and #manga , so if you want to discuss this again, please move the conversation to those channels.

[fathom matrix]

yeah, with the simplicity of cartoons and manga, unless they're significant or devestating strikes, they're not really shown. And ya can't remember every little scar or every injury they have.

Like every little cut, bruise, scratch, and so on.

But I am kinda surprised Oda didn't leave Robin with a chest scar after getting stabbed by crocodile.

Nami's arm scar got covered by a tatoo, it'd make sense why you wouldn't draw that.

[amber oar]

stabs never leave scars for some reason lol

slashes do, but stabs don't. Fuck logic.

[upbeat vector]

yall seen

the blackbeard octopus theory

[modest skiff]

If you are going to ask people to discuss something, at least post it here and give your thoughts on it. We ask people to put more effort into posting in this channel

[pure raven]

Except luffys eye

[steep vigil]

guys i have a good theopry

the other babies could easily be shanks and buggy since they might've been abandoned and the roger pirates took them in

[pure raven]

This question was also asked in Sbs

But oda smartly avoided answering it

[vestal orbit]

i think that's the sbs

[pure raven]

Oh yeah just noticed

Also the way oda makes whistle noises is absolutely hilarious

[wary fossil]

luffy's face is a stab scar

[hardy hawk]

Pretty sure he is making luffy face

[acoustic helm]

I am not sure of that

[acoustic helm]

Zoro slashed koido multiple times but only Ashura remained as a scar...
Zoro's scar came from Mihawk...
Luffy's scar came from akainu...
Shanks scar from BB...
Koido's scar came from oden and zoro...
And the special thing about these scars is that they ache more than normal scars and sometimes on remembering the person that gave the scar..

[vestal orbit]

think that's jsut because of the emotional impact

not sure how coc could come into play there

conquering an opponent's spirit seems like it would leave them just broken

[vestal orbit]

whereas just cocting attacks would be like the kings' wills clashing

[acoustic helm]

I wasn't sure of this before but koido saying zoro got Coc after tanking Ashura and saying this scar will remain, Was something that makes me believe in this..
Maybe that's what shanks was implying BB ahd CoC coating long before but he wasn't a division commander cause he hide himeself

[pure raven]

Hmmmmm

[vestal orbit]

smh luffy's a hack, he can't leave scars that burn forever since he just fights with brute force

huh, don't think i caught koido saying zoro's attack would leave a scar

though i suppose makes sense in that case

[pure raven]

Imagine BB coc coating his fist and at the same time using the gura gura punches

Thats op AF