manga-theories

[tropic cape]

Also Oda has seemingly paralleled joyboys past promise with the previous Poseidon and Luffy's current promise with Shirahoshi so I think Im has started to realize the vast amount of parallels between the current time and past time considering history seems to be repeating itself

[vast nacelle]

foreshadowing

[pure raven]

Yea def this. The CP0s are basically giving such information that made him realize the parallels.

[vast nacelle]

in katakana one of the characters in imus name translate to buddha which might mean there are gods in the one piece verse

[pure raven]

In my opinion, ODA made a foreshadow on this

[vast nacelle]

idk how imu lived through 100s of years unless he has immortality

[pure raven]

When you see Enel's ship, you can see the top half of Buddha's face, which would foreshadow Im.

But the other part of this foreshadow would be that this IM is someone who rides on a ship alone just like Enel.

So Enel being the fake god, would foreshadow IM being the true god of this world.

[vast nacelle]

there is a light that needed to be extinguished from existence i think the light might be joyboy

since im is protecting the giant straw hat did he make a promise or something to joyboy

[tropic cape]

i think Im has artificial immortality through the ope ope no mi, but I don't think there's any natural immortality that's being displayed

[pure raven]

Ive already explained this in my theory video. If you want to read em, let me know.

[tropic cape]

and there are many times Gods have been paralleled in the OP verse without the character actually being a God. Enel = Raijin for example

[vast nacelle]

given that smiles can be manufactured mb

imu is based off of norse mythology and in norse mythology there are 12 gods could this mean something

[tropic cape]

haven't heard the Norse mythology bit... what are the parallels?

[vast nacelle]

imu is the name of a giant in norse mythology

in norse mythology giants are evil and gods are good

[alpine forge]

Everyone pls take a look at this theory regarding zoro's birth sword.
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/where-is-zoros-birth-sword.18386/

[vast nacelle]

but could im be a god ( buddha ) and a giant? im is named after a giant

[tropic cape]

Im* is the name of the Norse Giant, but Imu in katakana means Buddha

I think they allude to pretty much the same thing though if we were to summarize the stories of each concept. However, Ím is only the son of Vafþrúðnir who is known as the wisest Giant in Norse mythology and even had a contest of wits with Odin. Ím has never really been characterized in Norse mythology so all we really know about Ím is that he's the son of Vafþrúðnir.

Buddha would likely be the correct interpretation since Imu seems to be one of the most all knowing people in OP as well as seemingly escaping the cycle of birth and rebirth with the assumption that Imu has attained immortality.

[tacit veldt]

Lmao wtf Is up with that Im (Mihawk), you can't drop shit like that so casually

[radiant blade]

a lot of people think it because of the eyes

[tacit veldt]

Woops, that's an other series thing

[radiant blade]

They also conveniently ignore the fact the eyes are different colors

[tropic cape]

mihawks eyes are red in the manga. anime conveniently decided to be wrong

when crafting theories it's better to use manga material rather than anime material lol. sorry anime watchers

[radiant blade]

I didn't know that, well that does make things more interesting then i guess

[chrome zealot]

y do i keep forgetting theres a break this week i need help Yall

[coarse river]

Straw Hats and their Role

Each nakama has a skill they're virtually perfect at.

1. Their skill level are at the top of OP world.
2. Their ability for a certain role is introduced before they became a crew member.
3. Their DF indirectly helps and augment their role.
4. Their skills helps Luffy become PK and useful to his journey.
5. Sunny has a dedicated place/part for them.

Now lets look at our #1 nakama candidate and her CV:

• Jumping high
• Excellent eyesight
• Capability of using binoculars
• Flexible sleeping schedule

All of these qualities are a great trait for a Lookout. Why else Sunny has a bird nest?

Conclusion: Carrot4Nakama4Ever

[pure raven]

this is valid

[coarse river]

It is, indeed. Other nakama candidates are far away:

• Tama, apprentice? Shanks sacrificed one arm to let Luffy knows the sea isnt a place for a child

[tropic cape]

the way carrot joins the crew is already foreshadowed in the WCI arc imo. she sneaks onto the ship. this also parallels how neko and Inu joined both WB and Roger's crew.

[coarse river]

• Caesar, scientist? SH already coverd science part via Nami, Franky, and recently ||Sanji||. Besides wr already have a doctor

• Caribou, no apparent skill shown. Storage isnt a valid role to help Luffy reach PK.

• Momo, apprentice? See Tama

[tropic cape]

Yamato will join too because there's no place for her in Wano and she will want to follow the person who freed her. Also a clear parallel to Oden.

[coarse river]

• Rebecca, warrior? Already have a sword user on board, also not very good at it.

• Monet, scientist? See Caesar
• Smoker, no apparent role or skill he is very good at, except a bit tactical skill which is eclipsed by sanji & jinbe anyway

So, among all of SH candidates so far, carrot places #1

[sand sail]

That's legitimately never been how things are determined, though. Luffy's never picked based on who is useful to him, he picks based on who he likes and who's interesting

[coarse river]

Why no Vivi you ask? She || is already an SH you dum dum ||

[sand sail]

He asked Brook to join his crew immediately, for example. Jinbe's talents weren't shown until long after he'd accepted his invitation

Most members of the crew also don't have devil fruits, and Carrot isn't really all that uniquely gifted for a crew. Good lookout sure, but that's been Zoro for years now

In fact, the bird's nest is Zoro's

[coarse river]

That is how Oda gives Luffy the decision making. Why else all of his invited nakama have a very proficient skill at something?

[coarse river]

Jinbe has been shown steering a raft during Marinesucks Arc

[supple anchor]

does logkeeper not count for yamato?

[sand sail]

Because it's useful for the plot, that's not Luffy's standard for inviting people to join. He's gone past that several times, and has rarely picked someone just based on being useful in that way

[sand sail]

Steering one ship isn't being one of the best helmsmen in the series, this doesn't fit

[coarse river]

Ofc the DF criteria only applies to SH that have DF....

[sand sail]

And it's wrong. Their fruits don't help their skills, they use their skills to make their fruits useful

[coarse river]

Nami and the crew herself praised Jinbe during their escape scenes

[sand sail]

Robin's fruit doesn't actually help her much, but she's gone out of her way to make it useful because it's hers

Chopper's the only fruit that helped define the user, and not the other way around

[sand sail]

In Whole Cake Island, after he already joined their crew, sure. So this scene doesn't work being referenced through your assessment

[coarse river]

I dont understand this

[sand sail]

Going with the Robin example, she's a historian. Her fruit doesn't help her be a better historian, but she's smart enough to know how to utilize it to that end

Brook's fruit doesn't help him be a better musician in any way at all, it's just entirely separate from his skills completely lol

[coarse river]

Reread my post part #2, "ability is shown before they join"

[sand sail]

Chopper's is the outlier here, his fruit is the only reason he was able to become a doctor at all, that fits with your criteria

[sand sail]

Yeh, still doesn't fit for Jinbe. He steered a ship in a completely unremarkable way at Marineford. His ability as a helmsman wasn't even hinted at until we see it full on at WCI

[coarse river]

In robin flashback, she acquired her knowledge secretly by popping eyes to read books

In chopper part, he is a deer

[sand sail]

I addressed Chopper, and exactly, Robin's fruit never helped her directly actually be better. But she was smart enough to use what it gave her to help her anyway

It isn't like she got the Hito Hito and because of it can now understand any language and retain mountains of information, for example

[coarse river]

A deer normally cant be a doctor. He is able to learn medical knowledge because his fruit gives him human intelligence

[sand sail]

Yes, I addressed this already ^

[coarse river]

I still dont understand. Please excuse my baka brain 🤣

[sand sail]

It's alright, so with Chopper we have his fruit being the literal only reason he could've ever been what he is now. That's his fruit directly helping to bolster his abilities and play the main component in everything Chopper's become today

This, compared to Robin, whose fruit's power doesn't impact her actual abilities in any real way, but she was smart enough to use what she had to help as little as it possibly could

Such as being able to spy or read things from another room, which really isn't worth too much if you're a historian, but it's nice to be a criminal. See, Nami would have benefited from that power far more than Robin ever has

[coarse river]

Well, my assesment only specify that a nakama is showing off his skill before they join. Doesnt matter if we knew theyre good at it or not. Sanji only shows his cooking skill, not until now we know he can satisfy a yonko.

[sand sail]

Brook as well, his fruit power doesn't interact with his being a musician really at all. Dude can blow away souls with his fruit and decides to play a note while doing it, but unless he's imbuing devil fruit power into his notes somehow, they're not actually complimenting each other

[coarse river]

Hmm, if thats what youre referring to about DF

[sand sail]

Sanji wasn't able to satisfy an Emperor when he joined

These people have drastically increased in skill since joining Luffy, they didn't start at the top of the world

[rustic granite]

I prefer Yamato for Nakama rather than Carrot

I mean if Carrot actually won against Perospero,I would have been ok

But she got clapped even with Wanda's help

[sand sail]

Is that relevant? Brook was destroyed by Ryuma, at least Carrot got close to winning

[coarse river]

Again, like above, my assesment only states that a DF, in any way (directly/indirectly) helps their role.

This in turn imply that, for example, foxy cant/wont join simply because his df cant help him in whatever possible role he has.

[rustic granite]

Anyways I prefer Yamato

[coarse river]

If its about the top argument, this probably is about our difference in the meaning of that word.

[rustic granite]

We don't need more fodders

[sand sail]

That implication is incorrect, though

The existence of Brook as a crew member proves this

[sand sail]

Carrot is a mink in the duke's special forces, by definition she isn't fodder.

[rustic granite]

Well

Compared to Yamato she is kinda.....
Imo in Base,she might be weaker than Ussop....however she is stronger than Nami in Sulong

[sand sail]

That's a really poor assessment of her. But that's not really a conversation for this channel either, better to address it in #also-manga

[coarse river]

Maybe, youre assuming that top=best/peak ceilings. So only a number of people can have it. My intrepetation is more about top-middle-bottom. (Very) Bad at something, mediocre at something, and (very) good at something. For me, a popular swordsman/cook in East Blue is already at the top of the world.

[snow grove]

I've got a theorie : df users get sick when they get close to laughtel

[coarse river]

The existence of brook is the easiest answer for this. If he isnt revived by his fruit (direct reason), he would never be a nakama. If he is just a rumbar vice captain, he is just a normal musician pirate.
He became world artist because he is a rumbar vice captain who got revived, experiencing the solitude life & SH life. We know that experience is a big inspiration for musicians.
The fact that his nick is soul king is also a manifestation of it.

[sand sail]

This is a massive stretch, and it really doesn't work at all here man. His fruit had nothing to do with his abilities as a musician, and his nickname was only based on the fact that he's literally just a soul. Sure, extended his life and made him lucky enough to live long enough to find Luffy, but that's about it.

Luffy didn't even ask him to join because he was a musician, he asked because he was a weird skeleton, it wasn't about the talent he'd bring to the crew at first

[left field]

Well if Yamato can’t have a unique ship role then she’s nothing more than fodder

Don’t even try saying “adventure logger” or “fighter 2” either

[coarse river]

Luffy also asked chopper because he has several cool transformations

Luffy asked zombies because theyre... zombies. But they didnt join. The point is even if luffy never consider people because of their abilities, those who join, ultimately, are capable people.

[sand sail]

Sure, but that dismantles most of your assertion that there is a criteria in place for it beyond Luffy just liking someone

Likewise, what you assert as reasons for others not joining, aside from them being strange choices to even point toward, doesn't really work at all either. For example, Caribou's storage isn't a valid role? That's a ridiculously useful ability to have, and literally just saved Luffy's life

[pure raven]

Why? Luffy: Because I want ofc.

[coarse river]

There are some criterias because we see it as a reader/from our pov. We saw all the nakama we have, we draw similarities & connection between then, so thats why we have criteria.

Well, all abilities are useful if you can utilize it. And of course they can make a valid role because we/author can spin it in our way. Law of Ueki works on this premise. But the point is we're applying those roles to SH, who is quality over quantity. Sure, Caribou can join if SHP is like Whitebeard Pirates, he'll have a valid role. But you must notice by now that SHP is more of essential-only, no nonsense.

[wary fossil]

SHP isn't no nonsense. They were willing to bring Vivi aboard. All that truly matters is their personality/character mesh with Luffy and the gang.

[distant pilot]

so I been thinking lot about strawhat grandfleet and it having different divisions under other crew members like, ussop commanding dressrosa fleet, sanji-germa, jinbe-fishmen,zoro-samurai of wano etc, it would so cool to see em commanding a fleet, especially sanji with his power rangers gang

[wary fossil]

dressrosa fleet is basically the whole grand fleet

[heady parrot]

i mean he is god usopp. actually seems pretty well rounded power wise. i like this idea.

[atomic stag]

i think imu-sama is rocks

[unkempt pulsar]

No way, I'm pretty sure rocks was killed by Garp and Roger or sent to level 6 at Impel down. I mean why would a pirate be the owner of the WG?

[sinful helm]

Is it stated that imu is male?

[weak arrow]

no

[sinful helm]

then there is another possibility

I know it's a little far fetched but what if Imu is Luffys mother but she is brainwashed by wg

Or his daughter or someone from his close family

[lean jungle]

if he was sent to level 6 at Impel down kaido or big mom would've tried to get him out so he's prolly dead..

[sinful helm]

Lmao no they wouldn't they probably hate him

[lean jungle]

well he was their captain

[sinful helm]

It was stated by garp they all hated each other and even killed their crew members if i remember correctly

[lean jungle]

oh ok

[rustic lance]

more likely killed by a Celestial Dragon after getting beaten down by Roger and Garp

would really cement Garps hatred for them

[weak arrow]

Roger would have just killed him. Don't forget that he killed off all of Squard's crew.

[unkempt pulsar]

True.

[sinful helm]

I can see them finishing Rock with a gun from far away or some bomb so they don't get his blood on them after Garp and Roger refused too do it

[sand sail]

I can't see either of them refusing to kill someone like Xebec

[sinful helm]

If it was an order from the celestial dragons yea i can

[sand sail]

That still wouldn't really make sense, Garp doesn't disobey them on general principle or anything, Xebec was a horrific danger to the entire world

[sinful helm]

I always thought he did disobey their orders on his principles tho

[wary fossil]

lol that's one of my silly headcanons. Dragon and Imu used to be the power CD couple but then they had differing ideas on parenting so Dragon split up and started the RA. I know it's probably not true because Oda said he didn't want to make it about his parents

[pure raven]

Why would they brainwash someone to rule over them, I am confused

Why do people always want blood relations in plot 😖

Honestly, I feel they are connected and Im might be the reason why Dragon created the Revolutionaries, but it is not a blood or relationship type of connection. I think Dragon might have been a cp0 agent who worked under Im and could not take this unfairness anymore.

And he got a huge bounty because he knows everything

[vestal orbit]

so someone can take the fall for them if they get overthrown

[pure raven]

[mild oak]

Any new recent theory??

[pure raven]

Yes

[wary fossil]

because blood relations are part of world building, especially in OP

large majority of conqueror's haki users are some form of royalty or the children of such

[vestal orbit]

who's related to who is world building

everyone important being related to the protagonist not so much

[wary fossil]

there's only 2 important people blood related to the protagonist

I'm not saying I think Im is Luffy's mom, but these types of things are pretty normal in fiction

[vestal orbit]

ye in the canon

minerva was complaining about imu, the literal most important character in the verse, being related to luffy

[wary fossil]

it's not completely out there or silly

[pure raven]

Well, I see that power as a call of date, meaning that you have the qualities of a king

[vestal orbit]

like xebec is related to luffy, imu is related to luffy

it turns a war into a family feud

[wary fossil]

(many wars are family feuds)

[pure raven]

Imu so far is not "related"

Xebec might have a long lost blood relation with him since he is a D.

Btw, what do you guys think D stands for

[wary fossil]

some word we don't know yet, which will be warped to devil through time

[viscid bolt]

Dawn or dawnbringer perhaps

[wary fossil]

that's a fun one, especially with after wano

[pure raven]

Luffy and zoro aren't royalty.
Conquerors haki isn't hereditary either

[wary fossil]

Luffy's father is the leader of the revolutionary army, which is king/conqueror like. Zoro is possibly the son of a Wano daimyo

[pure raven]

Conquerors Haki is the rarest form of Haki that only a few people in the world of One Piece are born with. Unlike the other two Haki types, this one can't be learned through training and is only possessed by those who are born with the spirit of a Conqueror

Say less

[wary fossil]

multiple hereditary pairs and haki is generally in everybody

not to mention lineage factor

[pure raven]

"Born with the spirit of a conqueror"
Not because there parents passed it down

[wary fossil]

can't rule out that it is somewhat hereditary

[pure raven]

Well, I see that power as a call of fate, meaning that you have the qualities of a king

U have to be the chosen one

[vestal orbit]

hereditary sure, directly linked to royalty no

people with haoshoku are just naturally drawn to positions of leadership, the way i see it

[wary fossil]

I'm not saying if you have conqueror haki and you have a kid that they will have it

[pure raven]

Doflamingo dad was not a kiny by any means nor did he show any conquering spirit

He was a celestial though

[vestal orbit]

then big mom's parents

[wary fossil]

and I didn't mean royalty as in only royalty, which is why I said some form of royalty

[pure raven]

Not a good example, but look at raileigh

[pure raven]

But we're talking about spirit of a king here. Title is irrelevant to a ability like that

[wary fossil]

you don't need to be ruling actual things to have the qualities of a king. Michael Jackson the King of Pop. "Duke" Ellington in jazz.

but it's also not impossible that great genes produce great genes

there are middle grounds

[pure raven]

It is just willpower, if you think about it

[wary fossil]

it's not just willpower because there are lots of showings of great willpower

with all of kawamatsu's struggles he would've unlocked haoshoku by now

[pure raven]

People with huge ambitions tend to have that power in that universe

[wary fossil]

also raleigh known as the dark king

[pure raven]

That's just a title though

[thick plinth]

What if Blackbeard is planning on coming to wano and steal kaido's devil fruit when he is weakened, then aokji (ice man) betrays him.

big plot twist

[fresh pecan]

Ivankov said There was no doubt Luffy must be strong in CoC because of his father

[modest skiff]

A few things on the topic of conq haki:

1. BM having very strong conq but not all of her kids makes it seem like family trees don't guarantee it is passed down

2. While we don't know much about Doffy's mother, we had no indication that she nor Doffy's father had conq, so it also does not require inheriting it from family

3. Not every D has conq, so that does not seem to be a given either

In conclusion, there does not appear to be a guaranteed yes/no to having conq haki. It could be that it can skip generations, and perhaps that is the case with doffy, but we have no reason to think anyone in his family had conq haki

[celest jewel]

what if cp0 doesnt get to capture robin but instead they capture luffy after his fight with kaido and thats the final war arc

[jovial fable]

Nah we still have elbaf dont we?

[plush pike]

Conqueror's haki I think stems from personality. If you have the spirit to stand above others, you will get conqueror's haki. That is my opinion of it at least. Most people never develop it to any significant degree, but those who do have a drive more than most other people. That's why New World is filled with conqueror haki users, because only the very determined to win people go there.

[marsh gull]

Or only people with conquerors haki can make it there

[pure raven]

Quintan: Tiger-Man - Luffy is now using Fire with CoC as a Main Source to defeating Kaido

[junior cape]

Luffy's next big attack will certainly be something with G4, but i don't think that's quite it. I think he'll just start substituting in Conqueror's haki in place of Armament when he';s punching people.

As for Kaido, the battle is wearing on him, despite his attitude. He knows better than anyone that putting on a strong front is key to winning the psychological battle.

[plush pike]

That would mean every one of the defeated captains in Kaido's crew has it, and I don't see it.

[dense meadow]

I wonder why Who's Who's(?) was transporting the gomu gomu fruit. I wonder why the fruit was important

[grizzled fog]

All devil fruits are valuable. There could be a deeper reason but frankly just having such a valuable item being transported is probably worth dedicating a single cp agent to guarding it

[plush pike]

Maybe it was going to be given to a specific figure within the WG

Or Vegapunk was gonna do some shenanigans with it regarding gigantification

I'm betting it has something to do with Vegapunk but idk

[kind gate]

?

[pure raven]

Quintan = Fifth after four others

pls dont start a war

[kind gate]

no i just wanted to know what you meant

[pure raven]

I make theories residing by my only braincell, I see blazing tiger behind luffy in toei ep 1000 canvas, i come to a conclusion

[modest skiff]

I have 3 different theories so far:

1. The Gomu awakening can be used to counter the tremor fruit (Whitebeard fruit). Red Line can be destroyed through vibration, so Marie Jois can be destroyed by the tremor fruit. It could just be a way to keep Marie Jois safe. But this begs the question, why did no one eat it yet? If they got the fruit and wanted to use it defensively, you'd think they'd have someone eat it right away. Then again, we don't know how long WW was guarding the fruit. Maybe he was really just assigned to hold onto it for the day until someone shows up to eat it. Maybe it was intended to be eaten by an admiral. Maybe Shanks showed up at the perfect time

2. Same deal as above, but perhaps the WG/CDs know that Joyboy's will is carried through the Yami yami no me (BB's fruit). BB says that the Yami chose him and I think we should take that at face value. Perhaps the only way to avoid being sucked into the yami's gravity is to be infinitely stretchy. So perhaps the way you prevent Marie Jois from being sucked into the yami void is to make the whole thing rubber/stretchy. Right now it looks like Nika (probably Joyboy) was a Lunarian, based on likely flames, but I still think they had the yami. The silhouette of Nika could also be explained by having the yami. Same with Xebec's silhouette.

3. One of my more outlandish theories is that there is a device/chest/door that can only be operated/used by someone who is a D. If this object/thing is made to be small, too small for anyone to ever use/activate, perhaps the gomu awakening is able to stretch it out and make it a suitable size. For example imagine a grain of sand that can be expanded to be a door/portal which lets people travel to (blank). One of my (blank) theories is that the AK vanished by leaving the blue sea entirely. I think it is possible that the Eve tree is amazingly tall and extends well past the white sea we have seen. If the AK is just waiting up there for the will of joyboy to be expressed in someone new, and then lead people to the AK, invalidating the WG, it could be that the gomu is necessary to make that happen. So perhaps something is made to be small so that no one can use it unless you have the gomu awakening, which lets you stretch it to make it bigger. So perhaps it isn't physically possible to access something unless you stretch it out to make it bigger.

One main thing to all of this is that the WG has not made any obvious effort to protect any fruit to the extent of the gomu. Then again, for all we know, they have a giant vault of all sorts of powerful fruits purely for the sake of keeping them away from others. But the gomu seemed to be specifically guarded, so the whole thing is very suspicious. While i think it is possible that the WG essentially aims to control all devil fruits, they do not make an obvious effort to do so. All devil fruit users would likely be hunted if that were the case. So I do think the gomu represents something special to the WG. if the WG knows Joyboy will use the gomu to start a new dawn, unraveling the dominance of the current WG, you could argue they are well served by keeping the gomu away from everyone. If they know the Gomu is what defeats the CDs, then if they can just secure the gomu, that should prevent them from being defeated, right? But why keep it on a ship? Why not in some vault in Marie Jois? Perhaps it was on its way there.

At the end of the day, I don't feel I have enough information to make a theory I feel particularly confident in. All I can say is I feel like joyboy is somehow involved

[pure raven]

lord have mercy

[dense meadow]

nice ty

I also wonder who Roger was waiting for, Its probably Luffy but in what way?

[normal plume]

It could just be that the gomu is involved with prophecy that Imu is aware of and if so likely Roger and then Shanks also

[modest skiff]

To our knowledge, the 2 things that were probably missing during Roger's time were Joyboy and Poseiden. We know absolutely nothing about Uranus, so we don't know if Uranus was around. But we know Pluton was around, since it is a ship. Then again, maybe some kind of cyclic process guards/keeps Pluton. no idea

[placid kite]

joyboy was roger

[narrow latch]

You think the WG or Imu could have Uranus?

[narrow latch]

Wow I’ve never read anything like this before. Did you come up with it on your own?

[marsh gull]

Crews with captains that have it/allies with it

[modest skiff]

I’ve heard some people say the gomu counters the tremor but I think the other stuff is my own ideas. Not sure though, I discuss here a lot and hard to remember what is inspired by other people lol

[narrow latch]

yea a lot of it was really original that i havent heard before lol

i like it tho 👍

[modest skiff]

Thank you 🙂

[narrow latch]

i come to #manga-theories whenever #manga gets real toxic because this is where the real stuff is at

[pallid scaffold]

What do you guys think on Dragon being of the same tribe that King is related to

[modest skiff]

Since we know very little about both of them it’s hard to really say anything. Maybe? But no real reason to think so. Hard to tell what was under King’s mask

[amber oar]

It doesn't contribute anything at this point

[desert hatch]

think shanks will introduce a new fighting concept?

and if so got any ideas?

[woeful coral]

unlikely

i would guess the big shakeup would be coming from BB, assuming he can consume more than two fruits

but nothing has implied that shanks has some unique ability that deviates from what we've seen so far

[desert hatch]

probably right

[woeful coral]

there was also that whole thing with mihawk not wanting to duel him anymore because he lost his arm?

there's a few things that can be inferred from that (whether or not it was a regular duel, swordsmanship only duel, etc), but it could be telling that mihawk doesn't feel like he wants to settle the score anymore

[desert hatch]

with all this external haki manipulation we found out in wano maybe theres an advancement to use telekinesis? really reaching tho😂😂

or something similar

[woeful coral]

what's been explained to us is what we've seen roger/wb/kaido/luffy all use, if there was some further extension of that i would assume we would've seen it by now

[desert hatch]

u right

[vale ocean]

I think luffy is gonna give shanks the straw hat when he dies in the final war . I think shanks is gonna be kneeling down because of the damage and it will parallel the scene where he kneels down and gives the straw hat to luffy

I’m drunk btw , lmk if im buggin or if you think it’s a good theory

[reef holly]

i think shanks is evil,he is sus meet with gorosei???

🤔

[deft fox]

That would be a really nice parallel

[pure raven]

@dusky acorn

Olvia and Saul Are Alive? Formation of the Revolutionary Army
#manga-theories message

This theory got debunked in chapter 1020. Reason why is: Saul, Olvia, and Clover are the exact same appearance as 20 years ago. Black Maria wouldn't know how they look like, so she would have to conjugate illusions from Robin's perception of them; there's not a single change in their appearance therefore Robin never met them like the theory claims.
Pre-time skip Robin met most of the revolutionaries like Sabo. We know that dragon was searching for her for 10 years and even referred to her as the pride of the revolution.
So if she was the sole survivor of Ohara, this title wouldn't be exclusive to her. debunking the fact that Dragon ever even saved a scholar from Ohara.

When the theory was making the other points about how there was not a single body found on the island that can be explained as well. The scholars moral was down and was determined to only save the books. Their last appearance was of them all crying in the tree of knowledge, that's where they likely died. The panel only showed us of the books in the water.

About Saul surviving with his Aokiji point of being frozen in a "time capsule", he may have actually survived due to the flames melting the ice, but than again who's to say his frozen body wasn't destroyed by a cannon. It's statistically more probable given the protocol of the buster calls.

[mental hare]

Hey guys, I was checking the mythological lore behind Orochi (Yamata no Orochi) and found out that the one who killed him was Susanoo. Who do you think will assume this "role"? Will it be something divine?

[narrow latch]

Take-haya-Susa-no-wo or Susanoo is the storm god of the Shinto religion.

its gonna be dragon. the prophecy has foretold it.

revos are showing up !!!

[mental hare]

I thought it could be the "awakening" of Zoro since Susanoo uses a sword(?)

[narrow latch]

i can see that too

[mental hare]

But Zoro is too busy and wouldn't make sense story wise

[modest skiff]

Would be cool if this was similar to Sengoku’s fruit

[mental hare]

Unless it's a samurai's honor gimmick

[pearl wagon]

Which devil fruit do you think teech is getting next? Hes got the strongest paramecia and one of the strongest logias, he'll probably go for a zoan next. He's gonna want a mythical zoan since they're the strongest of the zoans, and seeing as he didn't kill marco during the payback war, here's what i think. BB is gonna arrive at wano, and after luffy kills kaido (which he most probably will kill him because laws initial plan was to kill kaido) BB takes his fruit, eats it, and becomes even more op

But of course, there's no gurantee for teech to want a zoan

[narrow latch]

i can see him going for a zoan next for sure

[pearl wagon]

Same

[mental hare]

I think Teach will "implode" with the third fruit

We're not even sure he has full control over WB's

[pearl wagon]

It's possible

[modest skiff]

I’m not convinced he can get a zoan. I think BB uses the Yami fruit to isolate the tremor fruit in certain parts of his body so he doesn’t explode. I think a zoan would force his body to have 2 fruits occupying the same parts of his body

[pearl wagon]

Could be

[modest skiff]

I think he’s only able to have the tremor because he consciously isolates it from the rest of his body. It is possible that if he slept, he would die

[pearl wagon]

It definitely wasn't rogers fruit, that's pretty much guranteed. Luffy has met people who were in rogers crew, and they didn't have any specific reaction to luffy having the rubber fruit, but only that he had a devil fruit. Buggy nor crocus ( i think that was his name) thought "Oh my god, this child has the captains fruit" or anything, so if it was some great power's fruit, it can't be roger maybe joyboy or something

[radiant oxide]

So, could Joy Boy and Nika be the same person?

[quartz flax]

Judge made Sanji's raid suit specifically to fix his mistake and correct Sanji's enhancements

[sinful wedge]

Seems likely at this point

[rustic granite]

yes

[rustic granite]

Maybe he after seeing Ichji,Niji and Yonji,he realised that them not having emotions was a bad idea

[queen arrow]

that doesn't make sense because Judge hadn't changed his viewpoint at all when WCI happened, and i really doubt the suit was made during the arc

[left field]

Yeah the suit existed for a while before, it was prolly made as soon as Sanji was born

Judge would’ve never got the suit made after seeing that Sanji was a “failure”

[amber oar]

Yup, until the end he kept doubling down, which originated this funny scene

and I think that was the last time the SHs and Judge ever saw each other

[tacit veldt]

Every single panel with Jinbe laughing is a national treasure

[sturdy hawk]

The suit was already well known in public, so its not a new thing

[pearl wagon]

How do you think lunarians will look?

I think they're going to be normal humans with a different skin color, or some big trait different about them.

[last halo]

This past 2 chapters have made me thing a lot about how Big Mom could go down. A portion of the first one displays how Kaido will go down. Pretty straightforward, Luffy will defeat him. The other portion is Zoro vs King. Interestingly, the second chapter is structured in a similar way, with a portion of it being Sanji vs Queen. So, what if the other portion is somehow hinting at how Big Mom could be defeated?

This portion goes over two things: CP0 and the bombs and weapons inside Onigashima. I think this might tie a bit with the assassination plan from WCI, which revolved around breaking Carmel's picture to leave BM susceptible to whatever lethal force attack they had for her. The current CP0 crew is heavily theorized to be the kids from BM's flashback, which would be the way the Carmel's plot point would make it's way back into the story. Them having a picture of her with them currently would be too convenient, but I think they could accomplish a similar result just by revealing themselves to her and talking what really happened at that day. Then, we have the weapons in Onigashima that Yamato is currently taking care of. I'm obviously thinking these could be used by Kid to defeat BM once she's vulnerable. The only thing I have linking it with Kid tho, is that moment of him and Killer moving through Onigashima and collecting the weapons on their way.

So yeah, I don't know exactly how things would play out, but I believe BM will be defeated by a combination of the Carmel plotline, brought back by CP0, leaving her vulnerable to a Kid attack where he uses the weapons Yamato mentioned to finish her off.

[acoustic helm]

what is this?

[pearl wagon]

Idk

[acoustic helm]

then is this thing

[pearl wagon]

Ohhhhh

I didn't notice that. Nice catch. I'm not sure what it is though

[acoustic helm]

foreshadowing maybe

some nice zoan or maybe one is momo's dragon form

[last halo]

I'm pretty sure they put the alliance vs the beast pirates picture above a background that has a tiger vs dragon artwork. You can see the tiger foot + the fire near Yamato, and above Drake you have the dragon scales + the water.

[stuck ore]

Yeah I think it is toei's work not oda

[modest skiff]

Every fiber in my heart wants this to be foreshadowing Zoro getting a tiger devil fruit of some sort, but in my brain I’m expecting this to be some other character 😦

[pearl wagon]

Yeah, it's most likely a devil fruit

[kind gate]

interesting

[kind gate]

if it's going to be anyone it'll be luffy lol

[tiny ocean]

I don't think zoro will ever get df. He be swordin'

[stuck ore]

Luffy snatching zoan's identity

[kind gate]

tiger man with fire

[stuck ore]

Sabo's fruit is a joke at this point

[rustic granite]

Bruh

It is literally the same as Ace's fruit

[south osprey]

it is ace's fruit....

[rustic granite]

ye

[proud tree]

You guys believe that Vegapunk managed to create a giant army? Potentially using Little Oars Juniors Corpse?

If the Numbers are just "failed" experiments that are ~160 years old. The government has to be closer to creating actual ancient giants with genius lvl scientist Vegapunk.

And Moria had the corpse of Oars on thriller bark. Now that BB has taken out Moria out of commission, the WG should have access to Oars and Little Oars Juniors Corpse ....

[pearl wagon]

https://www.voidcentury.club/topic835 This theory is good, ig

It makes sense, but i'm not sure

[nimble hinge]

As well written as the theory is, it still doesn't sell me on the idea that this is BMs end.

You're right that most people know Kaido will go down. But most people would also agree that Kaido will no longer be relevant once he does.

One Piece gives its villains a lot of focus, and a lot of villains return. I mean we've seen exactly that in this arc, with moria and Lucci still hanging around at this top level.

So even if Big Mom gets defeated, the theory doesn't really give me any reasons as to why that also means she's done.

You rightfully point out that she still has a few loose ends but very dismissively. The third eye tribe, the relationship with the giants, get "plan" that she tells Perospero to trust her about. There's a fair bit of evidence to suggest this isn't the end for her.

She might be defeated, but I find it hard to believe that unless enough reasons can be given for her not returning at all, like Kaido. Otherwise, it's more likely that she's being defeated, recognizes the inevitable, and leaves before it gets to that point, fulfilling her own motives in this arc.

[sinful wedge]

We will definitely see more of Big Mom, just not as an antagonistic figure post Wano

It just doesn't seem like the right place and time to conclude her character arc satisfactorily

[hollow grotto]

I've already got my thoughts on Big Mom, and I just don't see her dying. I can definitely see her being defeated, but by whom and would it feel satisfying? If she progresses to another arc, that would annoy a lot of people, but if she is beaten here, it also stumps a lot of potential development

[last halo]

I think at the very least Cypher Pol knows about what happened. They officially know what the House of Lambs really was about, know about Carmel's powers and about Linlin being a great "product". With the amount of spies they have around the world, I think they could easily get the information of what happened from either Streussen or from a random giant.

I still think there's a good chance some of the kids escaped. From what I remember, the manga only showed Carmel's clothes on the ground and nothing as specific for the kids. You'd think once she starts eating people around her, they would start panicking and running away.

Although it really implies she ate them all, I can see it being she only ate Carmel and the others just left running, maybe even escaping with the giant. It would still be a scary event for the giant and an entertaining one for Streussen.

For the Kid part, it depends on what Yamato ends up doing. She's trying to get the weapons out of there, where would she take them? Then, once the Bm fight starts to escalate, it's fair to assume they will be destroying stuff around them. Going down some levels would probably be enough. And finally, I think the fight will end once the island lands and they will completely destroy the castle.

[rugged cove]

scary side of op ,bm eating ppl

[hollow grotto]

Big Mom's ties to Mother Caramel doesn't seem like it's going to go nowhere, so I'm hoping they tie some more relevance in her backstory and the past to the current-day.

[rustic granite]

who ping?

[native turret]

I feel like luffy is probably gonna lose again

[cerulean coyote]

Saul was not a citizen of Ohara; he could be alive...

[cerulean coyote]

Won't the lamb children be too old for cp0? Shouldn't be at least the same age as lin lin?
It is more likely at least one survivor is part of the gorosei.

[grizzled fog]

They’d be pretty old yea. Not sure where the Gorosei thing comes from , the Gorosei are all celestial dragons. But it’s not too unfathomable that 70ish year olds could still be strong enough for cp0 in this series

[amber oar]

Stussy's age is a secret, considering Shakky it's not too out of reach that she's a well preserved 65 year old. Or someone with a DF

[pure raven]

The cannon destroyed his ice body so he's dead🙂
Besides even if he were alive there's not really a significant purpose he would have. Messaged the person who wrote that theory and even they couldn't give me any real big purpose saul would have on the plot.
But if you have any ideas im all ears

[wary fossil]

Kureha is 140 with the body of a 30yo and the head of a 70yo. No DF needed

[junior cape]

Based Kureha, keeps trying to sell her secrets, but nobody wants them. She definitely remembers Rocks.

[modest skiff]

I still think Kureha was way more than strong enough to defeat Wapol. She was keeping a low profile the same way Rayleigh was on Sabaody

[mint prairie]

While I can see it happening, I'm prone to believe Kureha just didn't care. Not like she wanted to keep a low profile, she just had no reasons to act otherwise.

[deep egret]

Same

[midnight heron]

Uhh

Lunarian has the word Lunar in it, not sure if itll have any significance

[desert hatch]

well the skypeians are from the moon so they mightve come from there or one of the other planets we saw on ohara

[sinful gale]

Rewatching thriller bark
possible foreshadow?

[sinful gale]

possible foreshadowing of sanji and hints that Brook might sing this Requiem la Banderole in the upcoming fire festival?

[rigid charm]

What does the song sound like ?

[sinful gale]

new song

since wano parallels the thriller bark arc in many ways this was possibly a foreshadow

[rigid charm]

What can it do ?

[sinful gale]

no idea

just putting it out there
and since we already know many people died in onigashima a funeral is for sure coming

we might see a party like the thriller bark and brook might sing this new song

[rigid charm]

Or just sing yohohoho

[sinful gale]

just a thought

Damn thriller bark has a LOT of lore

[grizzled fog]

What does this have to do with Sanji?

[mild kite]

He has two more images above. Look up

[oblique onyx]

I know it sounds crazy but I think momonosuke will die and foreshadowed by kanjuro being the traitor and the death of ryunosuke being an impossible feat for a pink dragon.

[pure raven]

It wouldn't be illogical to say that every characters in One Piece will die but rather when? After momo becomes the ruler of Wano or?

[oblique onyx]

Holding up wano, then dying after he saves everyone.

[rustic granite]

So who will be the Shogun lmao

[oblique onyx]

No clue

I said it sounds crazy

[raw grotto]

No

Oda killing Momonosuke would be pretty horrible

[harsh shoal]

Momo is IMPORTANT chara, he will not died, Did u not see zou arc, he can control zunisha

[pearl wagon]

Momo won't die, if anyone dies it's one of the 9 red scabbards

If momo gets close to death they'll be like "WE COULDN'T PROTECT YOUR FATHER, BUT WE'LL PROTECT YOU!"

[honest hedge]

maybe even most of the scabbards

[pearl wagon]

Yeah.

[acoustic helm]

Man will you say same for every drawing kanjuro made

[shell kettle]

Theory: The raid will fail and there will be another time skip

[pure raven]

What's more possible momo joining the crew or yamato

[tiny ocean]

The prophecy is pretty clear about the 20 years. Also a lot of important kaidos officers already got beaten. We all know zoro can't lose because of his promise, so that means sanji wont lose either. Luffy already got beaten enough times by kaido. Only defeating him on the 4th or 5th try would kind of invalidate the whole thing (for the reader).

[sinful wedge]

Yamato, Momo is going to be the shogun of Wano

[pure raven]

But I heard after seeing oden log book, he says he has to do something important

[sinful wedge]

I presume that should be pertaining to some end game stuff where he is destined to command Zunisha against the WG or something along those lines

[rustic granite]

Yamato ofc

[chrome zealot]

YAMATO coz MOMO is going to be the shogun

[sinful helm]

Orochi

Yamato is gonna be joining or she gonna lead the allied forces of wano to help strawhats

[zinc iris]

I think Yamato will stay on Wano to protect it from the WG

[sinful wedge]

Has anyone thought about why the automatas made by Dr. Tsukimi look exactly like the ones discovered by Enel on the moon?

[rustic granite]

I thought the same,but then again Jimbei exists

[sinful wedge]

Isn't FI already affiliated with the WG though?

[zinc iris]

FI is officially affiliated to the WG even participating to the reverie, so it's formally protected

Instead in the case of Wano the WG wants to invade it when Kaido is defeated, almost surely because of its role in the void century

And for seastone manufacturing

[rustic granite]

Meh

The Samurai and some of the Beat Pirate defectors are there

Plus Adult Momo should also be strong enough

[zinc iris]

They are all in no condition to fight right after their war to kaido

[rustic granite]

Yeah maybe the Strawhats would stay for a few weeks

[zinc iris]

Not really, he's got some physical prowess but no actual skill

[rustic granite]

He might train then

[zinc iris]

And would need the possibility to do so

[rustic granite]

I mean

[zinc iris]

Which means someone else has to help him defend Wano in the meantime

[rustic granite]

Yamato has been hyped up a lot
So there's a high chance that she would join the crew

[zinc iris]

A lot of characters are hyped up

[rustic granite]

The strawhats aren't gonna leave immediatly
They might stick around

[zinc iris]

And nothing happens

[zinc iris]

Maybe maybe not depends on how tight the schedule for laughtale becomes

[rustic granite]

Eh

[zinc iris]

Also most Straw Hats will be disabled too after this war

Zoro's medicine will wear off, Luffy will be even more strained than he was after fighting Doflamingo and so on

[rustic granite]

Maybe the Strawhat alliance would crush the Cp-0 and the WG just decides not to invade Wano again

[rustic granite]

Kaido*

[sinful wedge]

How I'd hope nobody joins by the end of this arc, but Yamato is just so likely to join now, sigh

[zinc iris]

No typo, I meant when he had to sleep for days after defeating Doflamingo, and Kaido will strain him even more than that

So Luffy will be out for long

[rustic granite]

Imo the only ones in good shape to fight off the Cp-0 are Denjiro,Kawamatsu,Hyogoro's group,Sanji,Brook,Marco and Izo

Maybe Nami,Ussop and Franky too

[zinc iris]

And Sanji depends on how it goes against queen

[rustic granite]

Maybe the ending would be like Thriller Bark 2.0

[zinc iris]

I still expect it to be very high diff

And the WG wanting to a next Wano means it will use its full military force with the CP0 just being the spearhead because they are already there

It's not something that can be solved in a battle

[severe edge]

if so i want a sanji nothing happened moment

[zinc iris]

It's gonna be a persistent struggle until the WG falls eos

[rustic granite]

The time when Luffy learns to spell Yamato's name clearly,she joins the crew

[zinc iris]

So never?

If we want to use those "rules", Luffy just never used nicknames for his crewmate even before joining

And IIRC he still calls trafalgar in the same manner

[acoustic helm]

Didn't those automata went to moon own their own ...

[sinful wedge]

They did, but the point stands that they were the exact replicas made by an ancient civilization only found on the moon

[agile stump]

Usopp will fight lucci when he arrives in wano it will be a huge enies lobby throwback to usopp threatening him

[pure raven]

Not theory, but it is a question that demands to theorize: Where is Cpt. Morgan or will he be relevant someday??

[amber oar]

He's too much of a small fry in OP's world, I don't see how he could be relevant again.

His son who grew super spoiled took just 2 years to be above him in terms of both power and status (technically 2 ranks below, but each rank in the HQ is equivalent to 3 ranks up in regular bases)

[pure raven]

it is so obvious that Gion is Luffy's mother

[acoustic helm]

That's what the the relation is...
Ancient ppl exhausted resources of moon and went earth ..
And I believe due to their advance techniques and powers , must have come under attack and were replaced by celestial..
Maybe celestial are whole different race..

[acoustic helm]

You mean the way she was worried about him and having big eyes like luffy

[queen arrow]

i think it's unconceivable that celestial dragons are anything but normal humans

[zinc iris]

Some of the moon people survived

All the shandians and skypieans and other winged people

Plus almost surely the lunarians, tho they indeed went extinct

And maybe the minks? Intradiegetically their connection with the actual moon should come from something

[pure raven]

Question- Kaido and Momonosuke don't both have dragon fruit powers correct? Kaido has something that can match it in power though?

[sinful wedge]

What Lunarian theory exactly do you not want to pan out and how would OP executing those things well be bs?

[lone dew]

Correct @pure raven but the one Momonosuke has is that which is a failed fruit made by vegapunk Caesar method while Kaido possibly has the more orginal form of zoan df

[pure raven]

Before SMILE fruits right

[lone dew]

That celestial dragons are not earthlings that would be a no no

[pure raven]

I'm wondering... is it possible to make a fruit without the weakness to water?

Imagine an artificial KRAKEN devil fruit

Seeing as how there arent any aquatic devil fruits until the Koi fish fruit that got evolved into Kaido's dragon form

[lone dew]

Ye I'm thinking of it too hence I want more reveal or the final reveal go be it the df - sea water relationship.

[pure raven]

Also- I'm betting that kind of fruit it gonna go to Blackbeard. Imagine literally being the terror of the dark depths with the power to crush anything and everything

[sinful wedge]

The Lunarian stuff is probably not even related to the CD's. If anything they are probably all humans like the Donquixote's who ruled over Dressrosa 900 years ago.

[pure raven]

Because more than one devil fruit kills the heart right? Mans has to be a timelord with multiple XD

Or perhaps there's some lineage to the void century we're not aware of yet that lets Teach cheat the magic system

[weary lotus]

Can I post about the most recent chapter here?

[lapis prairie]

Carrot should be alright, and the moon is full

[lapis prairie]

yeah

[pure raven]

No no it does some turning to dust or shattering stuff to the entire body

Okay, got it on what specifically happens

Yet mechanically we don’t know what causes that break down to happen aside from the trigger of more than 1 DF, which Blackbeard avoids somehow

Hence my suggestion of multiple hearts… or something mechanically with him that lets him have multiple powers. And what a world it would be if he had a power for each unique devil fruit type

So far he has the most powerful Paramecia and Logia, and I can’t think of a more powerful force of the sea than the literal Eldrich icon across multiple European pirate cultures of the Kraken

(That and my biggest piece of evidence is his 8 crossbones)

[modest skiff]

The hearts theory doesn't make sense because both a teapot and a sword use a devil fruit

[pure raven]

Hmm... fuck I forgot bout that canon dog too

[modest skiff]

Multiple souls makes more sense, since we have already been shown that items can be given some level of soul, such as merry, and swords can develop a will of their own, so a soul seems related. But I think it is much more likely BB is able to use the yami to suppress the effects of fruits, since that is already stated to be a core component of the yami. Being able to limit where the tremor fruit exists in his body through a mechanism we already know works on other fruits/people makes more sense to me. But I don't think the souls theory is entirely terrible, I just think it is trying to explain something that is already explained: the yami negates fruits

I think BB can only pull it off because he never sleeps. I think if he ever broke concentration, he would die

[pure raven]

So more than anything the fruit to cheat all fruits lets him use multiple fruits

Yet tehre's something... missing it feels like. Hard to pin what it would be though. Do you like the part of him being a user of all 3 types of devil fruits?

[modest skiff]

Haven't decided what I think is the deal with the 3 half skulls, but I think them being half also says something. They are all missing a lower jaw. And I think the 8 bones relates to the same symbolism on alabasta, WCI, Jaya and Kaido's flag. I think there was once a group of 8 nations of races that were a part of the AK and that is where the 8 symbolism comes from. I think BB is sympathetic to one of those members. I think Kaido is too, which is why his flag also has 8.

3 different fruits, but none of them able to fully occupy his body, kind of makes sense to have incomplete skulls, but I don't feel confident in that

[pure raven]

Could be a callout to Rocks for all we know

[modest skiff]

yeah i think rocks wanted to destroy CDs to help revive the group of 8

[pure raven]

Or perhaps Teach is Rock's bastard legacy?

Imagine Roger's equal's kid using a different name because he wants to keep his connection to him secret until it's vital for the world to know

Like Teach being a subversion of Ace and Roger's dynamic

[heady parrot]

that could work but teach is more so being set up as a parallel to luffy than Ace. however i do find it interesting that Ace and Blackbeard where the only two known members of the D clan to join whitebeards crew. makes for an interesting dynamic if you want to compare/contrast them.

[pure raven]

What if shanks is rocks son and rocks lives inside bb. Thats why Shanks warned wb about how dangerous bb really is and thats why he has 2 souls. And could the same thing be with luffy and gol d roger? Valid theori?

[rose spoke]

What yall think or have discussed to be the One Piece, because Oda said we could already kinda figure?

[junior cape]

Well we know that it is some great treasure, along with a "tale full of laughs", which is why the island is Laugh Tale or Raftel, depending on your source. As for what the great treasure may be, it's absolutely something that, with the right people behind you, would allow you to rewrite the world order on a whim, hence why the World Government wants nobody to ever find it. Perhaps it's a weapon, but Roger and crew didn't want it. They also said they were 20 years too early, so maybe it comes with a use condition we don't know about. However, what we can glean from Roger's voyage there is that it held some reliable prophecy of the future, given Oden's logs about the Worst Generation. Therefore, i believe it to be a cultural artifact from the Ancient Kingdom that would tip the world on its head.

[sick spear]

Sabo is the one that gets caught, similar to Ace. The world hears about it, obviously luffy doesn't want that happening again so it's gonna be an all out war. All of luffy's allies/friends hear about it and make their way to the war

Predicted this last year and i got receipts too

[fresh pecan]

Well whatever it is it's something that will bring the world together. Look no further than the name of the series "One Piece", while the world is divided into 6 seas. The world is also under an oppressive government. The goal is to bring the world together in one piece at peace.
Also, in the Romance Dawn one-shot, Luffy said he was a "peace-main" so Oda may have been unintentionally showing his hand early.

Also the all-blue

[zinc iris]

it's almost surely intrinsic
the df of an aquatic animal would grant you some physical perks and would allow you to not drown, but would still be paralyzed and stuck on the seafloor

so not different from fishmen with DFs

[pure raven]

Ahhhh good point

[junior cape]

Yeah that makes sense.

Next chapter is either gonna start with king/zoro or traffy/kid/BM

We havent seen them in a while.

[weak plaza]

Here is my fun fun theory.
The Word “Be my servant” ?
is this foreshadow that these character will become his alliance in the future ?

They’re riding in the same dragon. Meaning they’re heading to the same directions, the same purpose.

Doffy is the guide like the pathfinder. And Luffy is the Leading

What do you think ?
Give some opinion, more fun.

[modest skiff]

All of them want the CDs to be defeated. I think when many of these folks realize Luffy is the only one with a chance of doing it, they’ll join up.

[dense carbon]

the problem with that imo is that its really likely Luffy and Law will continue their alliance and Law would never let Doffy join.

[weak plaza]

Nor did Hancock xD
She’s stick like a glue to Luffy

[modest skiff]

"Join" is probably a rough word for it. I think it will look a lot more like Kid joining the raid. In Kid's words "We are not an alliance. We are walking the same direction"

[dense carbon]

Hancock has other "issues" lol

[weak plaza]

Another theory is Shank or Sabo might die

[modest skiff]

Doffy and company will show up to the main event and they'll be a part of it, but many of the people "joining" the final war will be walking the same direction, with Luffy setting the pace/tone. Its not like BM and Doffy will be like "Commander Luffy, guide my blade"

[weak plaza]

Shank had pants with skull. Might be dead foreshadow or he goes to skull island in wano

He get criticizing by sabo and ace while show a cut of wine

Croc seems to Lowkey follow along on the back to protect the last whitebeard crew member

[weak plaza]

Might be,
One dragon
One Piece
One Direction

Doffy seems to be in prisoner pants

[pine delta]

One direction?

[pure raven]

One deception

[scenic thicket]

big mom wont be taken down bc that means nami loses her upgrade

[mild oak]

We got new theories??

[modest skiff]

Just scroll up or read the sticky posts

[waxen prawn]

The only one I'm skeptical about is Doflamingo obviously.
Corazon is dead, Ace is dead.
but the rest I can very much see happening. Luffy is the one who binds people's wills and trust and he always makes friends and allies with everyone. I can for sure see Croco joining him and changing his ways.

[left field]

Crocodile tried taking over a nation by force, and it made a nakama (Vivi) cry. Croco will maybe be in a truce, but he can never be considered an ally

[pure raven]

What kind of man is Vegapunk? is he for the Navy or just neutral. Most likely for the navy though, but not entirely an evil person because he's willing to honor Kuma request.
what do you think @modest skiff

[slender flint]

[junior cape]

Vegapunk is a scientist who doesnt care who he works for, as long as he gets to do what he wants most of the time.

[heady parrot]

there’s a chance he could be a secret sword member

[vestal orbit]

yea probably what pineapple said

[heady parrot]

and maybe he’ll turn the ssg against the world government in the final war

[vestal orbit]

don't think sword is directly against the WG yet, probably wouldn't have fulfilled kuma's last request if that were the case

[heady parrot]

i think SWORD will evolve to become the military wing of some new world government post final war

members like garp and coby seem to be the kind of people that would have a vested interest in opposing sakazukis rule as fleet admiral.

scratch that garp isn’t confirmed sword yet

[amber oar]

People just assume too many things about SWORD based on literally two members

[pure raven]

Zeus won't die even if big mom does

Because she gave that part of her soul up

[amber oar]

I like the theory that SWORD is a special unit whose target is infiltrating pirate crews and knowing them "from the inside"

From the two known members, one is posing as pirate inside an Emperor's crew, the other one used to be the chore boy of a pirate crew.

There's also this theory that SWORD was created by Sengoku to honor Rocinante. It's known Sengoku took Drake under his wing the same way he did with Cora

I don't think SWORD have any particular ideology or agenda for or against the WG. All we know is that both known members know piracy from the inside.

You may make an argument that given their history, they've got to know "the human" side of pirates and maybe that gives them a different outlook on piracy, but that's as far as you can go for now.

[pure raven]

Very little is known about SWORD. But I wanna add to your theory of SWORD infiltrating the crew from within. The chance is very low but what if Shanks used to be a part of SWORD when he was on Roger's crew? Because his meeting with the Gorosei left many question marks for us. He might not be a part of SWORD in the current date but he might be the bridge of info between WG and the pirate world. What do you think?

[amber oar]

no, Shanks's actions through the story don't line up at all with any kind of allegiance to the WG or the Marines

He was already with Roger at the age of nine, he stole a devil fruit from a WG ship, he showed up and cried during his execution without the need of fabricating a scene, also he was fucking 15.

I know the WG has used children in the past but making Shanks a covert agent ruins completely Luffy's main source of inspiration without contributing anything except a boner for uncalled plot twist obsessed wankers

[rough ferry]

Shanks being luffys main inspiration is a myth right? Luffy always wanted to be a pirate no?

[bitter hamlet]

u know sabo is the key to beat up sakazuki

[rough ferry]

I think i read something in the vivrecards that contradicts this

[bitter hamlet]

he wanted to be pirate but shanks encourage him to be king of the pirates

luffy said he will surpass shanks crew and find the greatest treasure THE ONE PIECE!

[rough ferry]

Aha, so garps statement isnt entirely true. However shanks did give luffy great drive to pursue his dream.

[sinful wedge]

We don't have context to what you're saying, if anything, Garp's dialogue implies that Shanks introduced Luffy to the life of piracy

[bitter hamlet]

read manga 2 chapter i think

[versed hamlet]

luffy wanted to be a pirate because he wanted to go on trips w shanks

[bitter hamlet]

no for king for pirate

[rustic granite]

Luffy always wanted to be a Pirate

Just that Shanks motivated him to go further

[cerulean coyote]

He literally stopped a war where the wg was somehow winning...

[solar knoll]

I wonder what would have happened if BB continued attacking Marineford

[sinful wedge]

If Luffy escaped and Shanks didn't come there, he'd probably be dead

or captured

[severe edge]

did luffy go to sabo and ace before meeting shanks or after?

cause then i think the idea of becoming a pirate was introduced to him by ace and sabo

[sinful wedge]

He met them after Shanks

[pure raven]

After

He had his hat

[severe edge]

oh yea nvm then

[zinc iris]

Ship roles is such an annoying argument, considering that there already are non conventional positions like "swordsman" and "archaeologist"

That said there are factors that still suggest me Yamato won't join

[severe edge]

True it's been shown that luffy doesn't care about ship roles when inviting people to his ship so i don't think we should take ship roles seriously

[zinc iris]

Especially the Yamao thing is sus

[plain shell]

Yamato will be the Straw Hat Janitor

[sinful wedge]

More than the actual story, it's the recent buzz around Yamato in promotional material and the anime which strengthens her case as the new crew mate for me

[zinc iris]

Well carrot was pushed back in the day too

[sinful wedge]

Carrot had the merchandising going for her, but the way Yamato's VA was welcomed to the team and now even the official channel is speculating her becoming a new member is making this more apparent than Carrot

The official op channel mind you never does that sort of stuff

[zinc iris]

Or the the VA is someone renown?

[zinc iris]

Also, the OP channel wasn't a thing during WCI yet

[bitter kraken]

It makes more sense for me that Yamato joins than not because the crew could use another heavy hitter as the story progresses to increasingly dangerous and powerful enemies

[mint prairie]

Robin (archaeologist) and Jimbei (helmsman) are two Straw Hats who joined with roles that were not previously thought up by Luffy, so it is safe to assume more members with non-requested roles can join.

[left field]

Archaeologist is definitely an unconventional position I agree, but many pirate crews have members who are exclusively fighters, and Zoro is someone with that role

Matter of fact Robin has by far the strangest crew position out of everyone

[modest skiff]

I still really just see no reason there can't be multiple fighters, or why the scope of the crew can't change over time as they get closer to the goal

[left field]

And even if Sanji is a top fighter, fighter isn’t his ship role the way Zoro’s is

[zinc iris]

Every crewmember is already as strong as the plot requires with the necessary power ups regularly coming in

[left field]

Yamato can definitely be a top fighter on the crew with Zoro and Sanji I’m not denying that

[zinc iris]

So the "need" fo another member is not really the rationale as much as fitting the family

[left field]

But she can’t be someone who is exclusively a fighter cause that’s what Zoro already is

[bitter kraken]

No I think robin, chopper, nami and usssop are fodder in the crew. They could use another top tier toe to toe fighter like Yamato

[left field]

Robin? Fodder?

[zinc iris]

Franky: Am I a joke to you?

[left field]

Robin clapped a Tobi Roppo

[bitter kraken]

Prolly the weakest of the Tobi and she didn’t do it alone one on one

[left field]

For the most part she did

[bitter kraken]

She has Brook as back up

[left field]

Brook was only taking out fodder tho

[low ruin]

I wish no one joined the crew after brook and robin was made fourth strongest in the crew

[left field]

But this isn’t a valid topic to use when thinking about Yamato joining or not

[bitter kraken]

Yeah I just think the crew could benefit from another powerful individual joining since BB’s crew is made out to be the worst of the worst, he did get them from level 6 after all

[zinc iris]

Robin has an obvious problem in combat that her giant body parts are a giant target and she has no physical hardness

[left field]

Don’t forget that BB’s members are the “ten titanic captains” when there are only 9

[zinc iris]

The 10th is indeed still unknown

[low ruin]

She could benefit from future sight and use it like kata to make her body parts disappear when attacked

[bitter kraken]

I’m saying bb’s members are all monsters except for his original ones we all know burgess walks around like fodder lol and akoji is 10th no?

[zinc iris]

I heard the theory the 10th titanic captain is urouge

[mint prairie]

I want to believe it's Kuzan infiltrating.

[zinc iris]

Aokiji is a known associate but not a straight crewmember

[bitter kraken]

Would be interesting if the 10th is weevil lol

[left field]

Wtf is weevil up to like we have no clue

What if he’s the son of Shiki the Golden Lion

[bitter kraken]

Weevil seems not all there in the head ya kno xD

[mint prairie]

Weevil exists... and that's it.

[zinc iris]

Weevil is one of the most interesting to me

Because he's such an unknown quantity
His role in the story can be anything

However

[zinc iris]

This makes little sense because he believes to be (or actually is) WB's son and thinks he should defeat BB to avenge his father

[left field]

How powerful would u guys say Yamato is in comparison to Zoro and Sanji

Cause I don’t think there should be a crew member more powerful and defensive than those two

[sinful wedge]

According to Oda

[left field]

Weevil for 10th SH member

[light portal]

After rob lucci comes more into play because of the last chapter, do you think we might get his backstory

[sinful wedge]

We have already seen his backstory in Enies Lobby

He has only his dark justice going for his character which was already explained in said flashback

[ancient vault]

Did you give up Carrot now?

Also entry what do you think about what Oda did with Carrot? Or well what he didnt do lmao

[light portal]

That was a flashback i think

[zinc iris]

That's my secret cap, I have always given up

Well I just never subscribed to those arbitrary checklists regardless

[sinful wedge]

Both are the same lol, are you referring to the time after CP9 were running from the WG after they got defeated?

[zinc iris]

That is in pure honesty quite confusing, even if she weren't to join it would be odd to end her plot there like that

So there must be something else she'll do?

[light portal]

Idk

[zinc iris]

But if so, what is it considering perospero has already been dealt with?

[sinful wedge]

Carrot would witness Pedro's sacrifice being worthwhile when she sees the SH's bringing the dawn to Wano and would strive to do the same with the whole world (once its significance is explained) as a mink member under Luffy's fleet in the future

To be honest this is all there is going to be for Carrot lol

[zinc iris]

Such slander for chopper's little sister

[random gulch]

yamato will join with mommy milkies

see ya

[calm pond]

My issue with her joining the fleet is just that I don't see her as a leader exploring the seas.. which she would have to do to be part of the fleet. It's okay if perospero has been dealt with, the majority expected for her to defeat him and get her revenge but oda didn't do that for a reason. If she won against him, her arc would basically be over. She got her revenge and she wouldnt have as much motivation to join the crew compared to if she lost. She would be confident in just going back to zou and staying there to defend it. On the other hand I think her loss is supposed to show her relative weakness, and in this case going back to zou won't help her. The reason for her joining now wouldn't just be about naive curiosity, it would be about getting stronger.

[long kettle]

There will defo be a mink part of the sh fleet

[zinc iris]

Still carrot is not a leader type

It would be more likely for Wanda to lead it

[sinful wedge]

I think her character arc's focal point is have a contextual POV of someone who had the firsthand experience in witnessing the SH's bringing the dawn to Wano and the whole world. I don't think her strength is going to be seriously highlighted or touched upon at all

[nimble hinge]

I feel like the fleet is mentioned far too often.

[sinful wedge]

Or anything which would warrant her to seriously consider getting stronger

[nimble hinge]

Every other convo, fleet will be here to rescue them. X will join the fleet.

[calm pond]

Yeah lol

[sinful wedge]

I would take anyone joining the fleet if it meant Jinbe/Vivi are the last members to join the crew

[snow grove]

what is the situation with the scabbards ?

[calm pond]

I won't feel happy if carrot is left where she is as a character especially after losing against perospero like this

[zinc iris]

Fleet is basically the designated dumping ground for the bargaining stage of Nakama discussions

[calm pond]

It would just feel bitter..

[snow grove]

she doesn't have a major role

[sinful wedge]

Well she is up and hugging Neko like her being down wasn't that big of a deal

[zinc iris]

Other secondaries like the scabbard got a better deal

[sinful wedge]

At least from that one page

[zinc iris]

It didn't end with them losing to Kaido, each of them had a hail Mary after that

[calm pond]

Yes it might be more explored in the future.. but her being happy now doesn't take away what happened against perospero

[sinful wedge]

Fair enough

[snow grove]

scabbards had their major role even luffy didn't want to land the first punch on kaido

[nimble hinge]

I think the fleet for the most part is set. Any inclusions to it are nations, rather than characters.

Especially with that narration box we got at the end of Dressrosa.

[snow grove]

we don't know how luffy choose his nakamas

[nimble hinge]

People read that box and somehow think it means they'll get involved any times there's an issue

[sinful wedge]

Now what would be bitter is Otsuru not getting to meet Kinemon at all, but on the other hand it would mean Kinemon being alive and well. Or this could play out in a way where he meets her and dies shortly after that

[zinc iris]

No scabbard will die

[calm pond]

Her loss against perospero will just be a catalyst for her not to stay on zou. Whether she chooses to join the fleet or the strawhats is up to you to decide, but again I don't believe she would join the fleet

[zinc iris]

Well if we were about acting in-character she would stick with her new family

[snow grove]

having a break this week was a bad idea

[nimble hinge]

I think the main argument against carrot in Wano has been that's she's not been present enough. But then again, neither has usopp

[sinful wedge]

I've come to expect that and it's still going to be a huge disappointment regardless of that expectation

[calm pond]

I twist that around and just say it's there to make it less obvious it will join but this is just hopeful thinking lol

[nimble hinge]

Nah, I think her lack of presence is a valid point. Characters that join get a focus. And she's lacked one.

Still time for her to shine though. Either way, some fans are going to be disappointed by whoever joins or doesn't join

[calm pond]

Hopefully

[ancient vault]

Nah I think oda just forgot about her. Doesnt seem to care lol

[calm pond]

Don't you dare

[ancient vault]

Its true

She did absolutely nothing in the neko vs pero fight and oda even offscreened that fight

[calm pond]

Read my points

[sinful wedge]

Neither was she active in any of the subplots in Acts 1 and 2

[ancient vault]

[calm pond]

[ancient vault]

She has less panel time than Roger btw

[sinful wedge]

Huh, you won't usually think that because of her being in WCI

[zinc iris]

"oda forgot"
Weak bait

[ancient vault]

[calm pond]

I've solved it, carrot fights stussy they look similar and wore the same hat

[sinful wedge]

Anyways, I pray that hopefully neither Carrot or Yamato join the crew

[ancient vault]

51. Gol D. Roger - 95
52. Jack - 94
53. Carrot - 92

[sinful wedge]

That's for the best

[ancient vault]

She aint even in the top 50

[sinful wedge]

Interesting, I'd have definitely thought she was higher, but I guess this puts her in the place she is now in the story

[ancient vault]

theyre not in wano

Also Carrot is getting clapped by her

[zinc iris]

Yet

[calm pond]

You see me say they would fight because they look similar and bring up a valid point

[ancient vault]

No theyre no where near by the dialogue

He implied twice that theyre not on the ships they sent to Wano

[zinc iris]

Eh it will be by the time luffy makes Kaido use his awakened form after another running session

[ancient vault]

Also theyre new ships it seems. Maybe SSG?

[zinc iris]

I would like to finally see the SSG's new weapon

[nimble hinge]

Wonder if they'll still look like kuma

[ancient vault]

we dont even know if theyre pacifistas

[nimble hinge]

We don't, but we also haven't seen the new pacifistas, and I don't know if he'll separate the two

Because one will take away the hype of the other

[ancient vault]

new pacifista?

[nimble hinge]

Mhm the new models.

[ancient vault]

What new? Didnt we see them already in sabaody

[sinful wedge]

SSG is likely going to be upgraded pacifistas, but Fuji not visibly being peeved to them replacing the warlords would be weird since these pacifistas are efficient killing machines, something you'd think Fuji wouldn't advocate for

[nimble hinge]

No, that was an old model.

[ancient vault]

was that said?

where was it said that we got new models? Are you talking about Film Z?

[nimble hinge]

Let me find it.

[zinc iris]

Yeah I recall sentomaru saying something like that

During return to sabaody

[nimble hinge]

Middle left panel

They were two year old prototype models.

Which is why I expect the SSG surprise to be completed models. Which is what allowed them to finally abolish the warlords.

[left field]

the SSG is hype asf

the warlords were all insanely powerful and now the WG is confident the new SSG can replace them

[nimble hinge]

Eh, the warlords varied in strength. It was more about control then strength. Fujitora didn't like the warlords for what they were able to get away with.

[left field]

well yeah ik that

[ancient vault]

They were still a power that needed to be replaced not just abolished

[left field]

they were abolished mainly because of what they could get away with, but the WG knew they needed a force that was equally powerful otherwise the balance would be out of hand, and they confidently claim that the SSG is equally effective

[sinful wedge]

By Fujitora's assessment the balance would "drastically" change in their favor and I am pretty confident of his assessment

With the final saga upon us, Oda will not underwhelm us with these new powers, which would probably match or even exceed that of the warlords

[nimble hinge]

Still don't think it'll exceed all of the warlords. We saw them attack the warlords. They took several ships alongside this new weapon that's stronger than them, and I'd say most of the fanbase is confident that they won't succeed in defeating all the warlords.

[ancient vault]

who said they took the SSG with them to the Warlords tho? Again all we saw was marine ships

and that one weird WG ship in buggy panel

[nimble hinge]

I think it's implied. They need to show what this new weapon can do if it's replacing the old system.

Can't announce a replacement that has no credibility.

And the announcement plus the raids is intentional, for the reader to link them together. At least that's how it read to me.

[ancient vault]

makes sense

Btw im talking about this

Normal marine ships look like the ones on the left

[sinful wedge]

Nice catch

What kind of ship was Fuji on in 957?

Looks like it was a normal marine battleship

[pure raven]

Maybe the navy found a few blue prints for plueton. It was always there go to strategy to ending the great pirate era

[ancient vault]

you cant just "find" a few blue prints for pluton

[zinc iris]

I think vegapunk is advanced enough to make something comparatively powerful

[quick hinge]

What if Crocodile's secret is that he was balding and Ivankov gave him hair growth hormomes?

[junior cape]

I think those are supposed to be Cipher Pol ships more than Marine ships.

[zinc iris]

Well it's something I can see Oda come up with

[brazen cairn]

This is definitely something Goda could say

[left field]

Who is gonna be Wano's next villain

[junior cape]

The govt, duh

[left field]

well no shit

but like, who from the government

[sinful wedge]

CP0 and probably SSG, why does it have to be a single entity

[reef oar]

okay guys....

[left field]

They're aware that there are two yonkos and the SH crew, so there's absolutely no way they can think CP0 alone is all they need to annex Wano and capture Robin

[reef oar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG8KKW3SiL8&ab_channel=MrMorj where do we stand on this debate

[junior cape]

Cp0

[reef oar]

a larger scale debate than democrat vs republican, religion vs atheism, and did oj simpson do it, this is the greatest divide of our time

[sinful wedge]

Who even is on the wrong side of this "debate"?

[left field]

CP0 agents will come (mainly for capturing Robin) but if they try to annex Wano and capture Robin with only CP0 they gonna get their skulls caved in

[sinful wedge]

That's why cp0 and ssg

[left field]

the greatest divide of our time Zoro vs Sanji and I'm really glad this chat doesn't have any arguing about it

[reef oar]

yeah i mean why would they since sanji is clerarly so much stronger than zoro

[left field]

If the WG wants to annex Wano when there's 2 yonko crews and the SHs then is it possible they bring an Admiral

[near osprey]

Well we're heading into Marineford Part 2 after Wano

Probably not directly into it but OP is entering it's Final Saga

Luffy is Whitebeard now but he isn't going to end up losing.

[left field]

I find it weird that Ryokugyu was only shown as a silhouette, I don't think Oda has done that with any other admiral

[near osprey]

He did it with Yonko's for awhile

[left field]

well yeah but I wonder why Ryokugyu is the only admiral he's hiding with a silhouette

[sinful wedge]

For what it is Aokiji was shown as a silhouette right before the chapter he was introduced lol

[near osprey]

and Ryokugyu could be a Lunarian

I don't think Oda's shown us any Lunarians yet

[left field]

Oda's trying to build hype around this admiral and he's damn good at it cause I really wanna see him

[sinful wedge]

The admirals have never disappointed at all, I'm sure Greenbull would be equally busted as others

[left field]

there's gotta be something unique about him that gives Oda a reason to hide his full sprite for so long

[near osprey]

He's under the same boat as Emu

[sinful wedge]

Especially with us approaching the endgame his portrayal would be godlike

[near osprey]

Might be Emu's son who knows aside from Oda

[sinful wedge]

The admirals have really shined in their respective intros

[left field]

since the enemies from here on out are gonna be vicious, would it make sense for Yamato to join at this point

[near osprey]

But here's my theory for the Final Saga, Luffy is going to end up defeating Kaido and CP-0 is going to try and take advantage and kidnap Robin in the process but they're going to fail this time because either Robin will be able to defend herself or Wano's Samurai will step in and save her. Luffy is going to receive news of Vivi's or Cobra's demise and Sabo's capture and eventual execution. He's going to call on his Fleet and they're going to all come rushing in along with the Revolutionary Army and Shanks

Actually Shanks might be the one to deliver the news and stop CP-0

Saying something along the lines of you're not supposed to ruin a banquet after they worked so hard to save this country

Crocodile is also going to make his move and assist Luffy in the war

[left field]

Robin fighting and winning against a CP0 agent would be sooooooo satisfying

[near osprey]

Blackbeard is going to end up showing up while also stealing the location of LaughTale off the Straw Hats ship

Shank's is going to end up dying fighting Blackbeard but Luffy isn't going to be aware until after the Battle as he'll be busy taking down Sakazuki

Emu and Five Dons are going to end up making their move for LaughTale personally after the War as the Admirals will have been defeated

To try and stop Luffy or Blackbeard from obtaining the One Piece.

But that's a short summary of how things may go.

Obviously Oda is going to write it much better

Oh not too mention Luffy is going to have an entire army of Giants behind him

While the WG is going to have their secret weapon they've been developing dun dun dun

[minor mountain]

I feel like hajrudin will arrive and will help the straw hats escape to elbaph tbh

[near osprey]

That might be a resting spot for them after the battle most likely

[minor mountain]

Rn they don’t really have a reason to go to elbalph so It good make a good transition

[near osprey]

Maybe Luffy and Dragon will have a nice father to son chat and we can learn his backstory and maybe about Luffy's Mom too

[minor mountain]

The grand fleet meets up at elbalph and then go to fight the wg

[near osprey]

Nahhhh they won't meet at Elbaf

Not the kind of character Luffy is

He's going to want to rush to save Sabo

[minor mountain]

True

[near osprey]

OP probably be finished by the time I'm 30

6-7 more years of waiting

Early exposure in Pre-School at 4 when it was on 4Kids

Luffy was on Usopp's Island fighting Kuro

Can't believe how far we've come since then.

[left field]

There's no way another execution rescue arc happens, that's just too similar to Marineford

[near osprey]

Nah it's happening

It's just going to be much larger scale than Marineford

[tall heron]

Bellamy went to Skypeia, got the golden pillar the Skypeian's offered Luffy and took it back to Doffy-- and also evidently lost his entire crew in the process since he returned alone? Is sky island ok LOL

[near osprey]

OP Post Timeskip is a lot similar to One Piece Pre-Timeskip

But the general theme this time is liberation

[sinful wedge]

Whose execution, Sabo's?

[near osprey]

Yeah

[left field]

many post-ts arcs are paralleled to pre-ts but I simply can't find any parallels to fkin thriller bark

[near osprey]

WG is going to want to pull the Revolutionary Army out much like how they pulled Whitebeard out

[tall heron]

Wano was set up in Thriller Bark

[near osprey]

Yeah Wano is Thriller Barks parallel

[sinful wedge]

Sabo is introduced as the character who has pledged to to take care of Luffy now that Ace wasn't there to do it. Luffy wanting to rescue him like Ace AGAIN would defeat that purpose

[tall heron]

thats where we first met Ryuma and Gecko Moria (who's biggest rival was kaido if you forgot)

[left field]

I mean ig the ryuma parallel but in terms of objectives they are insanely different

[near osprey]

Yeah but this time Luffy isn't going to fail and get his chest punched out by Sakazuki

and now Luffy is in Whitebeard's position

Seeing as he will be the Strongest person in the OP Universe after defeating Kaido

Plus he has a great fleet behind him

and everyone is at their prime

[sinful wedge]

Parallels can take a backseat when the point of Sabo's reintroduction and post ts would be defeated with him being captured

[near osprey]

He failed at the Reverie

The WG captured him during the Reverie

[sinful wedge]

Moreover Luffy doesn't have the leisure of exploring other islands WHILE knowing that Sabonwould be a captive of the WG

[minor mountain]

Luffy vs imu, Sabo vs akainu, zoro vs kizaru, sanji vs fujitora in the final war?

[sinful wedge]

And we are not making a u turn to Mariejois right after Wano

[left field]

thriller bark was like "yep this skeleton is crew, and we gotta stop KIIIIIIIIISHISHISHI to save him" and wano is about stopping a Yonko in order to bring power back to the kozuki clan

[near osprey]

If we weren't we'd be going straight to LaughTale

[sinful wedge]

Since Sabo's news would have already spread like wildfire

[near osprey]

They have all they need to make it to LaughTale now they got the final Road Poneglyph at Big Mom's or Wano

[sinful wedge]

The final road poneglyph is at neither of those places

[near osprey]

But Luffy has to defeat the WG and Blackbeard now so he's setting up the conflict.

Sabo being captured and set for execution is the best way to do it.

Not too mention Law is most likely going to end up giving Luffy Eternal Life

[sinful wedge]

So you think we are not going to Elbaf?

[near osprey]

I think we'll see Elbaf

[left field]

This I do not agree with

[minor mountain]

Elbaf after wano 100%

[left field]

being PK involves absolute freedom and absolute freedom involves being able to choose how you die

[near osprey]

Yeah but he might not have a choice

[sinful wedge]

So what happens first, rescuing Sabo or going to Elbaf?

[near osprey]

Rescuing Sabo then Elbaf if you ask me.

[minor mountain]

The straw hats by themselves can’t beat all the admirals

[near osprey]

then LaughTale

[sinful wedge]

And then back to Mariejois again later? Yeah, we are never doing that

[near osprey]

Yeah that's why they have the Fleet

Luffy is going to call on his fleet before he heads out to save Sabo

[sinful wedge]

We are not doing multiple backtracks at this stage of the story

[near osprey]

It's not a backtrack

Unless Elbaf sits next to Wano

[sinful wedge]

Logically we should be moving closer to Lodestar

[tawdry bramble]

We are definitely going to Elbaf

[near osprey]

But I imagine Elbaf is where we go post war where they have a Banquet Recoup and share stories

Before the Straw Hats head out to LaughTale to accomplish their goal

[nimble hinge]

There will be a another impel down breakout. That much is very obvious

[tawdry bramble]

Oda does owe us a few characters who are silhouettes still. Loki is one of them.

[minor mountain]

Usopp still needs development before the final war

Cant imagine him being a puss at the war with the wg that’s why elbaf is next

[near osprey]

Okay but once Luffy hears news of Sabo how do you propose he's going to react? "Oh my brother is about to be put on the chopping block again let's go to Elbaf and have an adventure there first"

[tawdry bramble]

I think Vegapunk is the longest running non revealed character in all of manga

[sinful wedge]

That's why a Sabo execution scenario is not happening in the first place

[near osprey]

Only reason he'd go to Elbaf is if that's where him and his allies agree to meet up before going to save Sabo

[nimble hinge]

There's nothing that states luffy must rescue him.

[tawdry bramble]

We don’t even know what the news is. It could be like Ace where Luffy thinks he can handle it himself at first.

[sinful wedge]

I don't think Luffy would be that nonchalant again

[near osprey]

Okay from the WG point of view, they most likely defeated and captured Sabo and the other RA Leaders at the Reverie. They're trying to wipe the board of their enemies hence they developed a weapon strong enough that they didn't need the Shicibukai System anymore. The only way they imagine they could get Dragon to come out of hiding is by announcing the fact they'll execute Sabo and his allies much like how they did with Whitebeard and Ace

They most likely assume Luffy will show up as well unless Fujitora didn't inform them that they're brothers as Luffy is currently the biggest threat to their control as well.

[sinful wedge]

We just don't know what the news pertaining to the murder and an assassination attempt was to make a concrete call over his fate right now

[near osprey]

But he isn't dead that much is clear Oda wouldn't kill him off screen like that. So my best assumption is he's captured and waiting for his execution

[nimble hinge]

Regardless of the news, you'd have to be pretty daft to believe he's dead.

[near osprey]

People in Alabasta wouldn't be crying over Sabo being dead they'd be crying over Vivi or Cobra

[sinful wedge]

Of course he isn't dead, by fate I meant as in him being captured or having escaped that situation

[near osprey]

He didn't he was fighting Fujitora and Ryokugyu

[nimble hinge]

Escaped or not. We are having an impel down breakout.

There's characters outside of Sabo that are in play.

[near osprey]

We've already been told this is going to be the biggest war arc in shonen history or in One Piece

[nimble hinge]

We are getting a breakout. And Sabo is likely in the prison.

[near osprey]

Sabo is the catalyst for it.

It's going to get the Revolutionary Army and Luffy to move it's the most logical narrative decision

[sinful wedge]

For all we know the news pertaining to someone's death could involve Cobra and the others while the assassination attempt could be something entirely else which didn't happen in the reverie

[near osprey]

But the Revolutionary was still unsuccessful at the Reverie

[sinful wedge]

They could two separate reports involving two entirely different stories

[near osprey]

If they were successful the headlines would've been different

'REVOLUTIONARY ARMY DECLARES WAR ON THE WG AT THE REVERIE"

But that didn't happen.

[sinful wedge]

We don't have enough context to know who succeeded/failed.All we saw was their knee jerk reactions, which shouldn't really be conclusive of anything

[unkempt gulch]

Dragon will save sabo offscreen most likely

[near osprey]

It's not about Dragon it's about Luffy succeeding at something he failed at when he was 17

He is going to revisit the moments of the Marineford and the loss he experienced

But now he has the strength and power to succeed

[sinful wedge]

For all we know Sabo might have been involved in one of those two incidents, declared war on the celestial dragons and escaped in a context so shocking enough which has had the readers of it left shell shocked

[near osprey]

They would've been celebrating not crying

[sinful wedge]

It really doesn't have to be a rigid conclusion like him being captured for execution

[near osprey]

How could it be anything else?

[sinful wedge]

We underestimate how many ways context can be twisted to make things seem the way we usually wouldn't predict it to be

[nimble hinge]

Bounty you might want to reread those chapters. Yes, you don't get explicit information, but it's also very clear that Sabo didn't succeed in his mission.

[near osprey]

I've been rewatching the entirety of One Piece for the last three months and I promise I think my theory is very plausible

[nimble hinge]

We get enough reactions to rule out certain ideas. And to justify others

[sinful wedge]

Again, those reactions can/cannot tell us the full picture of what exactly went down

[nimble hinge]

They tell us enough to rule out some of the ideas you're suggesting.

[sinful wedge]

Like him fleeing?

[nimble hinge]

Yes. Sabo is clearly mentioned in the reports and in a negative manner towards his wellbeing.

With the reactions we get, there's no reason to report about him if he got away. We know the government doesn't report on issues that could be critical of their reputation

But we know, that he's named in the reports.

Which is why Dadan and them know he's alive.

[sinful wedge]

The point is that it isn't necessary for him to have been captured and put in an Ace 2.0 situation even though those reactions would warrant a scenario like that.

[nimble hinge]

Again, they don't report on incidents that reflect their reputation negatively.

[sinful wedge]

Fleeing was one part of a bigger picture which could tell an absolutely different story to everyone's reactions

[nimble hinge]

The fact that they reported on it, and we know the report directly has negative implications for his health is enough.

[autumn leaf]

I think Sabo is being blamed for the death of Cobra

[nimble hinge]

Look at it from their perspective. It's all bad news if Sabo isn't captured. And yet the reactions we get are negative from his friends.

[sinful wedge]

How about the public and the WG presuming him to dead after a whole episode which involved Cobra's death and what if all of this is completely separate from the news pertaining to the assassination attempt

[nimble hinge]

Wouldn't line up with Dadans reaction.

[sinful wedge]

Where the latter could be the news the WG wanted to fabricate all along

Something like this could easily be the case

While contrary to those assumptions Sabo might have barely escaped the situation along with his cohorts

[nimble hinge]

That's my point though. They've already reported on several negative things for the WG. An attack and fight against the admirals. A death. An attempted assassination.

The WG, the same WG that didn't report other stuff, would report on Sabo knowing they didn't capture him?

If it comes out he's alive and got away, that's a huge mark on the WG

[sinful wedge]

Why wouldn't his "death" prove to be of their benefit, like with Jack

[nimble hinge]

It's just inconsistent.

[sinful wedge]

When he challenged Fuji and sengoku?

[nimble hinge]

But they know he's not dead. If they report him "dead" when in reality he escaped

That is terrible for the WG. Because that news WILL come out

[sinful wedge]

Well, not knowing any context what if his manner of escaping involved something which really led everyone to believe that he indeed died?

[shadow pollen]

saw mr morj's?

[nimble hinge]

Sabo isn't just going to go away

[sinful wedge]

We cannot discard a possibility like that when we are oblivious to any context

[autumn leaf]

too many things happening

[nimble hinge]

We know enough of the context. We know enough about how these parties have behaved in the past.

And we have a good idea of other plotlines.

[autumn leaf]

the news might be fake
they are either captured or on the run
highly doubt Vivi or Sabo died

[nimble hinge]

Only one death on the WG side. Cobra is the common assumption.

[autumn leaf]

Also the other interesting thing since he was there this could involve Garp too

[sinful wedge]

I've made this distinction that the report concerning someone's death and an assassination could be two absolutely different episodes containing different parties altogether

[autumn leaf]

I feel like Cobra had it coming

[nimble hinge]

The Vivi and Sabo stuff happened after Garp left

[sinful wedge]

and a scenario on why Sabo could have decieved everyone on him absolutely having died in the process of escaping

This is only a hypothetical on my end to say that it needn't be that Sabo is absolutely in the clutches of the WG which would lead to an Ace 2.0 situation

[nimble hinge]

Also we know the Government tried to stop one of these stories. They operated exactly as they have in the past.

[sinful wedge]

It could play out in different ways too

[nimble hinge]

They're not reporting on Sabo if they don't have him. But that's me personally

[sinful wedge]

Yeah and that story could be a different episode to that involving Sabo's for all we know

[nimble hinge]

Agreed. Doesn't matter though

[sinful wedge]

Yeah lol we'll see, the ambiguity was made for us to go crazy and it's working

[nimble hinge]

It's to show how WG handles these issues

[autumn leaf]

I think the likely truth is that sabo is currently on the run with vivi

[nimble hinge]

We have info that tried to be censored, and leaked info. Enough for me.

I'd say Sabo was captured. But helped Vivi escape.

[autumn leaf]

I think murdering a king would be enough to make Dadan be disappointed

[nimble hinge]

Doesn't say it was a murder.

A fatality and an attempted assassination. Two different things.

[autumn leaf]

it's something that sabo is being accused of doing https://www.opfanpage.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/70443159_693822407762232_8003852245370142720_n-5.jpg

[nimble hinge]

Yes, he could be blamed for the attempt.

But that's different from the fatality.

[autumn leaf]

People's reactions are too strong I don't think it was just an attempt i think Cobra is dead

[nimble hinge]

A distinction is made. So we know it's two different cases.

[autumn leaf]

I don't know what you mean by two different cases

[nimble hinge]

There was a fatality. And there was an attempted assassination. The two are separate events.

[autumn leaf]

How do you know this?

[nimble hinge]

It's in the chapter. Like 5 pages before the panel you posted.

2 pages*

[autumn leaf]

this is all I could find

Morgans and the editorial team of the World Economy News Paper prepare the stories that will appear on their next issue. He seems to be split about the news of an "obituary" or the results of the Levely shall be placed on the main page.

the Dadan Family burst into tears after reading the news and assert that it is fake.

So it's something he is accused of doing rather than people reacting to his death.

Vivi and Sabo have plot armor, Cobra is seen possibly terminally ill after the timeskip so his days are numbered.

[strong meadow]

Maybe WG framed sabo for killing cobra

[autumn leaf]

The interesting thing is they did not want this story out at all

I think Morgans just embellished something to get the attention of people that Sabo might be in trouble

It was maybe the WG plan to make it seem like Cobra died of natural causes (he was already sick) and then use Vivi as a puppet

Look how quickly they want Wano back under control.

[bleak mica]

SO for the next arc, which setting do you think it's best? Mine is definitely a modern era world

[autumn leaf]

I think we are in for a Norse world

[bleak mica]

Maybe

[autumn leaf]

Either Elbaf is next or the crew is going to get involved with whatever Sabo is doing

[bleak mica]

Do you think cyberpunk esque island fits?

[unkempt gulch]

I think extraterrestials will play a part around or before the final war

[bleak mica]

Holy shit. We will get space arc?

[autumn leaf]

I think that will be with the Vegapunk reveal

[unkempt gulch]

vegapunk and his longhead tribe most likely

[autumn leaf]

Almost definitely. I think the 4 road ponyglyphs lead to a path to space that is only active during some weird planetary alignment

[bleak mica]

They will all be lookin amazing in space suit

[autumn leaf]

the onepiece globe has like 9 moons

[bleak mica]

9 moons?

[autumn leaf]

I wonder if oda intended that the SH's hop them like islands

[unkempt gulch]

most likely gonna be luffy coming back with all the automata and enel

[autumn leaf]

sorry at least 6

[bleak mica]

We need cyberpunk island tho

[unkempt gulch]

lunarians must be from the moon too right?

[autumn leaf]

Which moon.. that's the thing

[bleak mica]

https://www.cyberpunk.net/build/images/home3/screen-image-about-768457e5.jpg

Or does it not fit the universe of One Piece?

[unkempt gulch]

no clue, also I think kings face would be a maroonish color right?

[solid badger]

Le voyage dans la Lune

[near osprey]

Nah OP entering it's Final Saga after Wano I imagine it'll be a War next

Elbaf before LaughTale imo

War With WG/Elbaf Arc/LaughTale

Lunarians will come in at some point

Might not be until LaughTale possibly

Probably around the same time the Fishmen set sail on Noah

[ancient vault]

i didnt say theyre marine ships

Also why is it that buggy is the only one after which these ships were sent. At least thats what oda shows

[near osprey]

Which ones?

Might be the new weapon Fujitora was talking about

[autumn leaf]

Oh shit that is probably true

[near osprey]

Cause Pluton is a ship as well so odds are this powerful new weapon the WG made is also a ship

[autumn leaf]

Knowing vegapunk it might be an airship

[unkempt gulch]

i think the lunarians will only have black wings

[near osprey]

Watch Blackbeard get ahold of Pluton

Blackbeard is going to be so stacked by the time him and Luffy meet up.

[hollow patrol]

Sniper island arc when?

[unkempt gulch]

I think that the gorosei=PK level

[near osprey]

Biggest travesty of One Piece

The fact there isn't a chapter or anime episode this week

[turbid depot]

Where are the big mom pirates waiting for them to make a move

[junior cape]

The Big Mom pirates, as we left them, are currently at the bottom of the falls after being kicked off by both King and Marco. Since the only two ways into the country are up the waterfall and through the waterfall (underground port), they are just sitting there, waiting for either contact from Perospero or Mama. As it currently stands, they are more than likely to clash with whatever government ships are En Route to Wano.

[junior cape]

This is also likely to hinder the government's plans to rule Wano, since they will have to fight through all of Big Mom's officers in order to even land.

[left field]

I think the ssg is coming to Wano

and some CP0 agents for capturing Robin (which isn't happening cause that would be story repetition)

[solemn ruin]

i hope the theories about oda playing games with numbers and words with the chapters is bogus because if its true it is downright shocking how insane the level of planning is in this series

[modest skiff]

Lots of number stuff ends up wrong. I think people have predicted a couple things, but its important to remember that for every theory that ends up being true, 99999 are wrong.

[nimble thistle]

So, I just saw two theories recently. Put together, which I am going to probably do rather shallow-ly, they can potentially make a huge amount of sense.

First theory being that Laugh Tale is actually One Piece's land of the dead. Basically, in essence, the pirate's "Davy Jones' Locker". It was a lot more in depth than that, but it's just a brief conclusion of the theory.

Second theory being that Blackbeard has already obtained, or is going to obtain, a Mythical Zoan type, model Kraken devil fruit.

As it is said, at the end of the New World, lying in wait is Laugh Tale. The enemy everybody assumes is going to be at the end of the New World, is Blackbeard; The one Luffy must defeat to get to Laugh Tale, his direct rival in the story before potentially facing the World Government/Admirals/Imu. Or, at least, that's what I've been concluding from everybody else's theories and chatter abroad.

Blackbeard's Jolly Roger has 3 skulls, with 8 'limbs' of bones sticking out of them. It's not a typical Jolly Roger with the one set of Skull and crossed-boned. The second theory ties in to his Jolly Roger in several points, specifically because of the '3' and the '8'. An octopus, of which a Kraken is just an insanely huge and typically violent form of, has 3 hearts, and 8 appendages. This matches to his Jolly Roger if you replace the skulls with the hearts, and the 8 bones with the 8 appendages. They are also said (kind of debunked since we know more about them, but Oda could still use this) to take neigh unnoticeable spontaneous naps in short bursts. Blackbeard is said to never sleep.

A Kraken is also a ferocious sea monster of myth and legend that is said to be an absolute HORROR to ALL seafarers. If Blackbeard possessed this Devil Fruit, and solidified it with his Dark-Dark and Quake-Quake powers, he would be a truly phenomenally setup monster of the seas even moreso than he is already.

And I could combine them much more indepth, but my post is at its limit. Dx

[junior cape]

[sand sail]

Interesting post, but we've already got a tamed kraken in the series. You think it'd be an important enough creature to have this happen?

It wouldn't be able to swim still, so it'd be an entirely land based fight, and the Kraken fruit probably wouldn't be better than the Uo Uo model Kaido's got going for him

[pearl wagon]

I won't be surprised if luffy allys with enel in the future