manga-theories

[modest skiff]

yeah that's fair. I think Queen and Sanji will be struggling to do enough damage to KO each other because they seem to be the tanks of their groups at this point

[sinful helm]

Big mom will probably destroy the wg ships for pissing her off

[devout wagon]

Maybe Sanji vs Queen is more of a mental block thing. Sanji needs to get over his pride to take Queen out. Until then Queen has a distinct advantage

[foggy pelican]

I’m also hoping to see some brook action, like fighting off cp0 and maybe holding them off or at the most stalling till someone else shows up.

[sinful helm]

Sanjis only pride is what he learned from Zeff If someone from strawhats is in true danger he will use germa tech

[devout wagon]

I want that too. Would be great if Ussop got a moment as well, hes been MIA for a bit

[sinful helm]

So only no hitting women for him

[devout wagon]

Thats true I guess I should say he needs to accept who he is, is who he wants to be and not his family name.

[sinful helm]

Well true but i thought he learned that he is strawhat first on whole cake island

But i guess some trauma can't be healed that fast

[devout wagon]

I thought so too lol. I really want to see how Oda spins that plot line though

Also I think Kidd and Law are defeating big mom.

[sinful helm]

I think it will only happen when robin is getting close to being captured by cp0

Idk those two feel more like side shows they aren't even on Zoro's and Sanjis lvl for me at least

[devout wagon]

Id put them in the same bracket. Im a Kidd and Killer fanboy though so I have some bias. Narratively it would be weird to set them up to fail, but again bias

That's a great point about CP0 and Sanji saving Robin, never thought of that

[sinful helm]

I don't dislike kid and killer just a feeling they fell behind luffy after the timeskip

[devout wagon]

Everyone did tbf, I think where peoples opinions on the matter differ is if they think non strawhats can power up on screen.

[dense carbon]

lots of people seem to think that since we dont see them train or get powerups onscreen, it never happens which never made sense to me but whatever

[devout wagon]

Also by "defeat" Big Mom I mean remove her from Onigashima. If Kidd is able to slam her down a couple lvs to the basement for example that puts BM in a position to steal Kaidos ponoglyph and escape with her crew.

[sinful helm]

And idk how i feel about Luci being cp leader

[grizzled fog]

He’s not

[sinful helm]

When we're talking about power ups

[devout wagon]

This. 100%

[grizzled fog]

Well Kaido’s road poneglyoh isn’t in the basement, we don’t know where it is. Also BM just running away with the poneglyph, and no longer giving a shit about luffy, the whole reason she came to wano in the first place would be really weird

[devout wagon]

Yeah I need some context on that one but it IS hype as hell lol

[sinful helm]

What if Kaido swallowed the poneglyph

If we didn't see it anywhere on onigashima

[devout wagon]

I thought Law found it in the basement prior to going to the rooftop? Or at least a few floors below the main stage. Id argue her ultimate goal is being Pirate King yeah she wants to kill Luffy but if the WG is collapsing and shes being stopped by Kidd and Law getting the bag and leaving seems like a better option

[summer jasper]

He found a blue poneglyph

[sinful helm]

Idk how or why they feel they can become pirate king

When they have trouble defeating Luffy and Kid and Law

They're not on lvl of white beard and Roger was probably even stronger thrn white beard

[summer jasper]

They are getting there tho

[devout wagon]

Both are trying to live through their kids since they know they're washed up dont @ me

[sinful helm]

Kaido and big mom are in 60s 70s how they're gonna get stronger?

[summer jasper]

They are not, and in bm shes past her prime probably

[devout wagon]

All fun and games until Big Mom awakens her fruit and Onigashima starts talking

[sinful helm]

[devout wagon]

[sinful helm]

How didn't she awaken it already tho

[summer jasper]

Oh im not saying she weak lol. But she almost same age has WB

[sinful helm]

Or what is the definition of an awaken fruit of hers

[summer jasper]

And everyone keep pointing out how wb was weak compared to his prime

Its the same with bm

[sinful helm]

I mean a fruit awakening can mean anything oda wants for a specific fruit power

[grizzled fog]

Law found a regular poneglyph. And Big mom Is obsessed with killing luffy, literally went into Kaido’s territory, prepared to fight him just to finish lufffy off. So her leaving while luffy is still alive, fighting kaido and their forces are putting up an incredibly good fight? That’d be bizarre

[summer jasper]

She knew she could talk to kaido without fighting tho

[grizzled fog]

Nah it isn’t at all. As far as she know she’s stronger than ever. She’s not sick like wb and she’s a total force of nature

[grizzled fog]

Kaido tried to keep her from entering, and they literally fought when they met. So yea the point stands she was definitely prepared to fight him

[sinful helm]

We will see soon if not in 10 then in 20 chapters how this will end not counting the cp0 and other stuff after fighting kaido and bm

[devout wagon]

Okay if shes explicitly looking for the road ponoglyph then nvm. Id still say its a better tactical decision to get the ponoglyph and go if the WG takes over since she isnt anticipating Kaido to lose and the WG doesn't seem concerned about her at all. She could go after Robin as well.

Kidd was largely in the same mindframe as BM but with wanting to kill Kaido but now hes doing the smart thing and tackling Big Mom.

[waxen dust]

It’s my theory

[fathom matrix]

it'd be pretty funny and interesting if Kaido before dying or being captured, laughs and it turns out he actually destroyed the road ponoglyth, saying that the people of wano can carve sea prism very efficiently, so why not destroy it too? So he could have forced some of the people to destroy it

And maybe he has some rubbing or copies hidden away somewhere.

[pure raven]

oh nvm I misread the statement lol

[tropic surge]

I too was wondering why this wasn't brought up in the story. Hopefully Oda has something interesting under his sleeve

[left field]

Sanji has shown parallels to 1st Yonko Commanders. The YC1s are King (AK pirates), Katakuri (BM pirates), Shiryu (BB pirates), Benn Beckman (RH pirates), and Marco (WB pirates). So far Sanji...
-Smokes (Benn Beckman)
-Uses fire (King)
-Has gone invisible (Shiryu)
-Has quick regeneration (Marco)

If this YC1 parallel to Sanji really is true, then he...
-Will unlock advanced CoO (Katakuri)

But there's one more first commander we're forgetting, and he has conqueror's haki: Rayleigh. Perhaps Sanji will get CoC? This is all a stretch but it's interesting

It would be really ironic if he has things resembling all the YC1s and yet hates the YC1 on his own crew

before anyone says Shiryu wasn't officially made a YC1 ik, but he seems to be the most powerful BB pirate besides BB himself

[turbid sedge]

ive got a theory

[weak arrow]

@turbid sedge Keep theories serious.

[raven loom]

Do you guys think that Akainu + 3 admirals are on the marine boats who are meant to annex?

[foggy pelican]

nah if they thought it was that important to annex Wano that they would send the entire upper tier of the marines, then why would they not depose Kaido to begin with?

I think its more of a reactionary thing and the more important objective is Robins catpture im guessing.

[weak arrow]

If there are any admirals at all, it'll just be fujitora. If not him, then greenbull just as a way to introduce him into the story. If not them, none of them probably went

[foggy pelican]

What benefits does controlling Wano have for them other than the weapons factories? Thats why they were content with making deals with Orochi and didnt just take over.

[raven loom]

Yeah you both are right, I was just thinking that because since they maybe got the message from CP that Kaido and Wano are weakend, that they saw a good oppurtunity without bringing their own admirals on heavy danger and also perhaps to take the last hit on Kaido, so that they can declare this win to themselves and again to fake luffys success

[foggy pelican]

I was talking about this in another channel but the time between their knowledge of Kaido falling and knowing that Robin is there is like a week or two right?

cause they knew Robin was there when Luffy got captured and sent to udon right? thats why I think it will be just Brook and Franky holding cp0 off until possibly Sanji or someone else shows up to help keep them away from Robin.

Something Im curious about is if the cp0 currently on Onigashima are Lucci's higher ups, then why would they not be able to deal with Robin on their own? Are the ships the WG is sending just incase Kaido falls or are they also their to help capture Robin

[raven loom]

Yeah thats a good question.. perhaps because Robin increased in level strength? Or because of the annexation, since CP0 could never annex Wano on their own

[foggy pelican]

Yeah that might be the case, i just cant wait for two weeks from now for that next chapter.

[left field]

watch Sanji get a 999,999,999 bounty and then Usopp beats a CP0 member and gets a 1B bounty

It's a running gag for Sanji to never be satisfied with his bounty so something's gotta happen that pisses him off

A bounty is a picture, name and price. First bounty Sanji got pissed at cause of the picture, second one he got mad at was cause of the name (Vinsmoke Sanji). So he's gotta get mad at his bounty a third time, and this time it'll have to do with price. Perhaps the gag will be Zoro having a higher bounty once again, but it would be really funny if Usopp also got a higher bounty

[sonic canyon]

Haha now that marines are on their way this backs up my thoery of big mom pirates getting overwhelmed below and leaving, and big mom getting capped

[left field]

Smoothie's gonna 1v1 a CP0 member or a high-ranked marine and learn about something important

perhaps during the fight she'll be told that WCI was invaded and the road poneglyph got stolen

or that Katakuri was killed/captured

BB has already invaded the revolutionary army, impel down + marineford and has attacked the WB pirates, it wouldn't be too far fetched to say that he's gonna invade WCI

[sonic canyon]

Nah that can't happen cause big mom will get capped and katakuri will be the new captain, besides the Marines are already busy with something BB is involved in and are also involved in wano, katakuri ain't that weak either lol.

[left field]

what if BB does the same thing he did with Absalom and kills Katakuri and gives one of his crew members his DF

What I said above is very unlikely ik, but what isn't likely is for Katakuri to stay alive as Luffy's ally in the final war

[sonic canyon]

Here's what I see happening with smoothie and etc they get overwhelmed they will inform katakuri and he will be the new captain since perospero is in wano and likely be captured with Bm

Auto correct lol

[left field]

BM getting captured and Katakuri becoming new captain could very well end up happening, in fact I do think Katakuri will eventually be declared as the new captain

[sonic canyon]

I do to and even if big mom goes to elbaf, like some say it will be her storys end either way I think.

[left field]

how will BMs plotline be completed tho

her simply getting captured

won't finish her plotline

[sonic canyon]

The way I hope is her being captured in wano and most likely execution, but one piece doesn't really do death so only oda knows for sure.

[left field]

so then what's gonna happen to Law and Kid

[sonic canyon]

Well Kidd and law will most likely knock her out before the Marines arrive in time to get them to.

[left field]

I wonder if Kid and Law are also gonna get captured then

they're not gonna get a clean win against a yonko

[sonic canyon]

There probably gonna get saved by pepo and kidds crew etc you know

[fathom matrix]

I honestly see BM buggering off back to tatland and seeing blackbeard invaded the place. They got a road ponoglyth there, so I can imagine tatlan's broken, homies withering away, some people died, some peeps lost limbs, hell, maybe katakuri looses an eye.

[left field]

Katakuri is too OP, so I think something bad's gonna happen to him. He can't be a SH enemy that the SHs encounter later cause that's just repeating WCI. However, I don't think Oda is gonna allow someone with powers similar to Luffy to be Luffy's ally in the final war saga

[fathom matrix]

I could honestly see BM maybe begrudgingly teaming up with Luffy against blackbeard, but it's not only because Black Beard ruined her home and actually killed a lot of her crew.

I mean, Katakuri could actually die. Heck despite a lot of people (even me) hating flampe, maybe she could actually show a bit of damn remorse, maybe regretting how she reacted to how he looked.

I could see the BM pirates joining in as a payback against the BB crew, only because they hate them more than the SHs, but still vowe to beat the shit out of them once the BB crew's gone.

[left field]

Do u think BB will kill Katakuri to get his DF and give it to one of his crew

he already did this with Absalom

[fathom matrix]

He might not have time, he might just kill him or leave serious injuries, but then someone will shout "COMMADOR TEACH, WE HAVE THE PONOGLYPH, LET US DEPART BEFORE BIG MOM COMES BACK!"

[novel olive]

I don't know if this was said already, but i'm predicting Momo will learn to bolo breath by the end and use it on the government ships that come for Wano.

[left field]

That would be such a badass way of proving his worth as a potential shogun to Wano

[halcyon talon]

I feel like kizaru will be in wano cause at marineford kizaru asked akainu if he should go and akainu said the WG has no jurisdiction there

So now that the WG are sending the marines there kizaru might well go

[modest skiff]

I see BM + Luffy alliance at some point, mainly because I feel 100% sure Sanji actually marries Pudding

[pure raven]

very bad theory but what if one piece was the apology gift for fishman island but its sunk down and raftel was a part of fishman island that stayed

[modest skiff]

Wouldn’t this need Raftel to be nearby Fishman Island?

[pure raven]

zunisha was cursed because it failed to move fishman island and dropped it? maybe, and maybe it dropped it that far away

[waxen dust]

Fun Fact: Zunesha is apparently the size of 22 Mount Everests

[olive cedar]

Usopp unlocking COC is a possibility. Lied about it twice now

[junior cape]

Yup

[novel olive]

it's only right that usopp surpasses yasopp

[junior cape]

Oh yeah. Yasopp may be a great sniper, but hes a shitty deadbeat dad. Usopp deserves to surpass him. It would also fit his character as an inspirational figure, capable of spurring any and all into action.

I mean, Usopp's epithet is GOD after all. Commanding a following is the least he should be able to do.

[queen arrow]

Usopp surpassing his father it's obviously going to happen

[waxen dust]

Usopp already surpassed his father thats why his nose is longer

[hidden pumice]

What if Blackbeard already has Uranus and it gives him the power to use multiple fruits

[left field]

shouldn't the WG be after Franky too since he knows Pluton's blueprints by memory?

[modest skiff]

They don't know Franky has photo memory

[vivid breach]

Remind me what does Uranus do again?

[left field]

we don't know

[deep herald]

when did we meet yasopp 🙃

[junior cape]

We havent, officially, as a crew, but we know he skipped town to sail with Shanks, DESPITE having a wife and kid. And he never ever looked back.

Never wrote, never visited, nothing. Dude is a deadbeat piece of shit.

[deep herald]

when was that revealed doe

[junior cape]

In usopp's backstory

[deep herald]

Ah I'm slow

[junior cape]

Kid watched the sea, every day, for years, hoping his dad would come back. His mom literally got sick and died from worry over him because of it.

Yasopp, regardless of his reasonings or character, abandoned Usopp and his mother for personal pleasure.

Deadbeat asshole.

[hexed vapor]

Ayo do yall think that ohara theori is right?

[supple anchor]

i dont

[thick sky]

I am done with Ohara after his Done Piece

[foggy pelican]

what ohara theory?

[hexed vapor]

Theres a guy named ohara on youtube that have 2 theori videos u should watch him

[supple anchor]

ohara and yuderon make good observations and notice interesting details but they dont fit together well in the theory they try to present, it was the same for both his videos

[hexed vapor]

I didnt watch but i heard thats the best theori out there

[supple anchor]

and also the chapter number stuff is a big reach

ohara titled it the best theory, its not actually the best theory. marco has had some fire theories that were crazy accurate

this guy doesnt make theories often but the ones he does post are really accurate https://www.youtube.com/c/MarcoOnePieceTheorist

[hexed vapor]

He talked a LOT about usoppp when luffy was a kid also usopp and his mother arent even mad at yasopp

[foggy pelican]

damn ill have to look into this

[junior cape]

Yes, but he still left.

[leaden mortar]

some of it

ohara stretches a lot of one piece.

but some of it is very likely and believable.

[clever pulsar]

do u think bege will go to wano

[hexed vapor]

No u can see whats up with him in the manga covers

[fervent portal]

Hard to say

[hexed vapor]

So? ace also left luffy while sabo "died" isnt he a shitty brother?

[fervent portal]

It was a few year later mate

[hexed vapor]

He still died

Also garp left luffy with bendits what a bad grandpa he is right?

[viscid bolt]

Bege is near Dressrosa right now, so I doubt they will arrive in Wano anytime soon. Perhaps they will play a role in Elbaf though, who knows

[viscid bolt]

Garp knew Dadan and trusted her, it's not like he just left Luffy with random criminals

[mint prairie]

It was bad parenting from Garp, but not "let me completely remove myself from any responsibility and not even look back" bad.

[olive nebula]

Anyone realise that on the recent cover page of OP is mostly lions !?!? Is a a foreshadowing !?!? Of luffy GEAR4/5 lion MAN !?!

[pure raven]

Yeah it's amazing the amount of people that actually believe in those theories😭
He's legit just guessing with the whole word play and chapter numbers. People think Oda is some robot that you can calculate. I don't think they keep in mind the fact that he doesn't know himself the exact chapter number the series/arc concludes.
Yet they will legit put all these numbers and word play to call it Foreshadow
It's so wrong on so many levels.
Even the inversion concept is not very good. You can literally take from it any past chapter and call it a parallel opposite. Nothing empirical about that.

Swear like a good majority of their theories is likely just head cannon

[tacit veldt]

Rob Lucci robbing the lights is 10/10 priceless, at the very least. I will never not think of it whenever Lucci does something

[outer edge]

Coz roger resembles a lion

[pure raven]

Who knows we might see dragon man too

[olive nebula]

DAYUMMM

[outer edge]

Or the black eraser man

Yami gomu ningen

[pure raven]

I think it's either
Dragon = strongest beast, imitate kaido

Tiger = counter chinese dragon

Lion = due to the recent references and because it's King of the animals reputation irl.

[maiden terrace]

Yes I find it really to believe Oda used all this wordplay intentionally. He may have for a few things but hard to believe Oda is writing all those things that Ohara claims

[ancient vault]

There is a significant number of them that are clearly intentional and you can go back to those and see it for yourself which created this believe that Oda foreshadows everything. We know oda does it more than the general mangaka
But... going through a checklist of every chapter trying to make sense of every single number aint it

[raven loom]

I am hyped to see what will happen after the marines arrival!!

This is gonna be a disaster

[pure raven]

Off the top of your head what can you point out as the more obvious ones? The whole concept is new to me and I don't really pay much attention to it.

I think he uses word play/chapter numbers to foreshadow future events, however to use it to predict when these things will happen in a certain chapter is really unlikely.

[pure raven]

Yeah and like I can make a Ohara theory right now using his method.

---

IMU Real Name and Personality
Have you ever wonder what luffy name spelled backwards look like? Well when you spell it backwards it comes out as YFFUL so would that mean that's Imu real name? It's possible

Also luffy first name is Monkey so what's the opposite of a loud playful Monkey? A snake correct! The WG lies and bends the truth like stereotypical snakes in the social construct. So Imu is someone who has a snake personality.
Following the wordplay called SMILE it's a foreshadow that Imu will not be a happy character but perhaps an angry disturbed sad character?
943 = Nainfōsurī
Which could mean "not for sure" hinting that Imu is not ambitious.
In chapter 520 we get title as Gorgon eyes. Which hint that Imu could have a snake eyes if you follow the parallel.
❗
So the overall conclusion is Imu real name is yuffl with a possible first name being related to a snake. and has the opposite of luffy personality.

[ancient vault]

Chapter numerology is a lot rarer especially because the series is way to long. Yes, Oda plans years in advance. Its impossible to line up every chapter number years in advance with Oda making last minute calls because he thinks some stuff is better. For major chapter numbers you can find them tho.
Example:

Chapter 1 Great Pirate Roger
Chapter 100 Great "Pirate"/Figure Dragon
(Ig Chapter 500 Great Pirate Rayleigh)
Chapter 1000 Great Pirate Luffy

I like to believe the Chapter 592 and 925 Perona Connection is real whether Oda made it up beforehand or on the spot cause he got the idea. (It could just simply have been a very very good coincidence tho)

There are some others but I forgot them all because Ohara and Yuderon made me hate them all. There was one regarding Roger tho I think and Ace

GoMu = 56, people speculating Luffys bounty will hit 5.656 bilion (just a bit over Rogers 5.564)
And other bounties (thats where he does it the most)

The devil fruit number pattern Oda acknowledged in an SBS

Bounties is where you will find the most but most are not foreshadowing of any kind. Just fun puns

[pure raven]

Yeah I see those are clear connections.
In particular with the Chapter 1 number and forwards. If we were trying to predict how the end of the series concludes and you use "Great Pirate Roger" as a tool it's hard to determine when Luffy would of been a great pirate especially all the way in Chapter 1000. Because Oda was planning on the conclusion of the series after Alabasta. So it would discredit the number schemes as an accurate tool of prediction. Because by what metrics are we measuring "great" ? Not everything great happens in every hundred chapter.

The word play thing too, you say these are Oda last minute ideas. Meaning it's more about Oda having an opportunity to add a connection especially in regards to the Perona thing rather than it being something that was planned before hand, discrediting the idea of a foreshadow.

So it's not really all that probable, to use it as a tool to make theories.

Not gonna get into the whole 56 = Gomu thing 😖 because that wouldn't be consistent with how other bounties are made with pirates with devil fruits.

The devil fruit number pattern, is the only one I believe since Oda acknowledged it and was doing it purposely. As so many people tend to believe vivi will have Kuma devil in the straw hats. So that's reasonably plausible.

[ancient vault]

Oda has a measurement for Great Pirates. For example Big Mom was introduced as a great pirate with an introduction box. I think WB and the rest too

[acoustic helm]

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/q5b93n/calling_it_right_now/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

[waxen dust]

I agree with this, especially since everyone has already been heading to the main live floor and given now they’re fighting outside above the capital. They’re all about to witness some Zoro greatness.

[left field]

EXACTLY that’s what I was thinking in some bits of the first video, and the associations were even bigger stretches in the second part

The whole thing with Imu-Sama having a water nymph devil fruit was not implied by the wordplay observations made

The best parts of those theory videos aren’t the conclusions, it’s the wordplay observations cause those are nearly undeniable

[waxen dust]

I always said this, they’re good at finding materials but never putting it together. That’s why I watch the videos to compare notes for what they found and see if anything is useful enough to be inserted into my own conclusions/theories

[left field]

I still think there’s simply not enough evidence for an absolute conclusion, even though the wordplay Oda has done with the volumes and content isn’t a coincidence

That’s why so many theorists ultimately make stretches

By the way, does anyone else besides me believe that Oda has made intentional parallels with Sanji and 1st Yonko Commanders?

[modest skiff]

What parallels?

[left field]

Sanji YC1 Parallels
Benn Beckman - smokes lol
King - using fire
Marco - rapid regen
Shiryu - use of invisibility
Katakuri - Perhaps Sanji will activate advanced observation eventually?

It could just be coincidence but at the very least I found it interesting

[waxen dust]

hmmm, that’s more of a coincidence but it is definitely a cool observation.

[manic kelp]

So, I've been watching a reaction channel (RTTV) that misinterpreted the way Whitebeard's devil fruit works. They thought the Tremor-Tremor Fruit actually gives him control over the world's plate tectonics. That's not exactly how it works, but then I thought about it. That's probably what he'd be able to do if he awakened his devil fruit, assuming he didn't awaken it before his death. If that's true, then Sengoku really meant it when he said that he could destroy the world, since fucking with the tectonic plates would be devastating.

[maiden terrace]

😱

[pure raven]

yeah because everything is essentially a parallel for the theorist 😭

[zinc iris]

Pattern addicts

[outer edge]

Ppl try to find patterns in things they can't understand (here Oda)

[queen spade]

Shanks will prolly come stop marines

[hollow grotto]

If you can't provide evidence taken from the series itself and rely all of your reasoning on conjecture and personal interpretations rather than objectivity, then it's going to come off as pretty baseless and make no sense, so I definitely agree with this. As Ruski said, Ohara and Yuderon make good observations, but the way they form these theories is not so great. They take interesting potential and combine them with loose ideas that have no underlying tissue to thread it all together, and it just makes the theory incomprehensible. I liked the left-eye point they made a lot personally, and I did find it very interesting, but their connections by wordplay and numerology felt very out-of-left field and didn't connect with any previous points made

tldr: don't form theories off subjectivity

[light onyx]

Ohh thank you

[hollow grotto]

and give some actual evidence beyond, "it would be cool and a great plot twist" like the evil Shanks theory

[hollow grotto]

algood

[light onyx]

It’s weird how a strong guy with conq Haki would lose his arm to a sea monster unless his reason is he’d accidentally injure luffy

[hollow grotto]

Shanks really just comes off as a more mature Luffy to me.

[light onyx]

The guy almost broke a ship with his Haki he’d probably break luffy

[light onyx]

*somewhat mature

[hollow grotto]

yeah, fair point lol

[bitter kraken]

Anyone else think Yamato is gonna end up running into Cp0? I ask this because it’s pretty much a given that momo is gonna be able to make the clouds to stop the island from crashing into the capital, so Yamato going to look for the explosives is just a way for oda to send Yamato out there. The Cp0 are somewhere on the island, I say an injured Yamato wrecks the fodder that gov agents seem to be

[pine delta]

we have no idea how weak/strong cp0 is

[near beacon]

i think people are downplaying orochi at this point. My take is he is going to side with cp0 and work towards world govt's take over of wano on the condition of him being installed again.

that man has a hand to play and we still don't know why he is getting back over and over again

[ocean olive]

Hello everyone, I love the discussion going on. I don't know how this thread works, I assume there no specific structure. So I'll just drop a reasoning I did go through to seek your feedback and thoughts. It's my first time at this Server, 🙏🏻

[hollow grotto]

enjoy the reads, we just discuss theories on what we think will happen and whatnot

[ocean olive]

Thank you for the Welcome @hollow grotto !

Prediction : The flower capital is highly to be saved by Luffy's Awakening, Turning Onigashima into Gum to avoid the collapse and Onigashima will just bump around Wano. I know it sounds hilarious, but its might be the narrative that will push luffy to edge.i doubt momo can miraculously produce clouds at Kaido Level it will be far-fetched

*there is a high likelihood that the flower capital will be saved, from the Collapse of Onigashima, by Luffy's Awakening. Even if Momo can keep it a float to avoid the Capital, it will have to fall at some point somewhere as Kaido's power is depleting. That's where Luffy's Awakening will be necessary to make the Ground become Gum, and we can see the Island bumping and jumping, making the overall confrontation "Instable".

What do you guys think?

*Guys/Gals 😅

[heady parrot]

Not a bad idea, I just feel as if we’ve already gotten two advanced forms of haki this arc so an awakening on top of all that would be a lot for one arc.

My personal favorite theory right now is that Onigashima will be dropped on the marine ships headed towards Wano, but maybe that’s too obvious.

That’s not to say I wouldn’t like to see this happen, though. It’s def a cool idea and you never know what Oda will pull.

[white rapids]

LUCCI captures robin and brook comes and says can i see ur panties and fights lucci while chopper sneaks up and rescues robin brook gets defeated and luffy kicks lucci ass after he defeats Kaido and takes break

[heady parrot]

I don’t think Rob Lucci is coming to Wano. The room he was in didn’t appear to be a part of a ship. Looked more like the interior of a building at Mary Goise which would make sense considering CP0 are the direct servants of the Celestial Dragons so some of them have to be staying behind to protect the CD’s while half of the group is in Onigashima.

[white rapids]

He’s in wano in latest chalter

He was on a ship I think

[ancient vault]

didnt u read his message lol

[heady parrot]

they are very obviously not inside the ships that are currently going through tumultuous rainfall and waves two panels above

[ancient vault]

Dev is right. Not with the room argument tho. Read chapter 803 the room shiryu and laffite are in is similarly decorated but its still on a ship.
But take a look at the dialogue and you'll see it implies that Lucci is nowhere near Wano.

[heady parrot]

Yeah he wouldn’t have to wait for any report if he’s going to Wano himself.

Nor would he entrust the task to others as he’s heading there himself. That’s doesn’t add up.

Also on that note they better be sending someone at least admiral level if they hope to capture the crew that took down Kaido.

[white rapids]

They sending the whole CP0

[heady parrot]

I really don’t think we’ll see the strawhats facing off against CP0 as primary antagonists within the rest of the story. Zoro and Sanji said it themselves, after this battle Luffy will be the closest man to being the pirate king and having someone like Rob Lucci come back as a serious threat feels like treading old water when there’s so many other things to address.

they’ll probably be minor antagonists for the remainder of the story but luffy and lucci aren’t getting a rematch

[hoary cargo]

Hey,
I don't understand that if wano-kuni is cut off from the world then how could they (CP0) able to communicate with other members.

Surely I don't remember regarding this, and therefore, got this question.

[heady parrot]

We’ve seen long range transponder snails working before so I assume they just brought some with them when being invited to Wano by Orochi.

[ancient vault]

Theyre also on Kaidos island. Kaido can call who ever he wants

[ancient vault]

I dont think this is a marine ship tho

[hoary cargo]

I see!

[ancient vault]

actually nvm they probaby are

CHapter 956 marine ships

[heady parrot]

what if we see the new weapon the SSG created in Wano and that’s what they’ve brought to quell the force that potentially defeats kaido.

[modest skiff]

My view is that anything less than bringing all of CP0 is stupid to the point of ridiculous if they intend to clean up the left overs of a group that took out Kaido's main base. Even if we assume they are all weak from a fight, the left over bits of a group that took out Kaido's entire force would require the full strength of CP0

Especially because Lucci's facial hair is atrocious

[ocean olive]

In deed that would be too much packing in one arc, and if Onigashima falls back to the sea taking down the marines even if it maybe foreseeable, it's hard to pull the exact narrative but that where Oda have so much fun.. Those little tiny picky details.. Definitely I join your Opinion, that packing much in One Arc by Luffy's new Mastery wouldn't spoil the fun

[hollow grotto]

made a theory about this idea, pinned in this chat if you want to have a read

#manga-theories message

[ocean olive]

Thanks @hollow grotto ! For Linking the thread, I will go through it

[ancient vault]

its a marine ship so await SSG

I think its also possible that Kuzan comes to wano with the blackbeard pirates. I shouldve added that to the theory

[hollow grotto]

would it feel satisfying if we left Wano and it was still really hard to get to?

I feel like that goes against an established point about opening the borders, because it's really hard to access that way

perhaps something will happen that will allow it to be more accessible, worst-case the entirety of the island just collapses to ground level

[heady parrot]

so you’re also on board with the ssg idea. i would honestly love to see what the governments been working on sooner than later and with the chaos of the warlords needing to be captured, the revolutionaries probably making their own moves, and everything happening on Wano between multiple emperors and worst generation members- now would be the perfect time for the WG to unveil some new war machine that they think will restore the power balance they seek.

and honestly someone like luffy may be someone they’d want to make an example of above all else

obviously it won’t go so smoothly for the WG but that may be their plan going into Wano

[ancient vault]

the ship on the right only appears in the buggy panel

[hollow grotto]

It's always bugged me that Wano is landscaped like this when Oden said, "Open Wano's borders" It doesn't feel like, even if they defeat Kaido, it will be that accessible to the outside world.

[heady parrot]

you think they unleashed the ssg on buggy?

[ancient vault]

idk tbh. But also if its just a WG ship. Why exactly for buggy?

[heady parrot]

is that panel from when the WG was coming to get him or is that ship just parked there?

also buggy escaped impel down imagine he gets captured and escapes impel down twice lmfao

instant yonko contender. the man who escaped impel down twice.

[hollow grotto]

Buggy's supposed feats do make him worthy to use a weapon like that on, for testing purposes before they go after a Yonkou

whatever that 'weapon' is, of course

[heady parrot]

imagine they unleash the ssg on buggy and he escapes still thus making him the only warlord maybe besides mihawk who escapes the ssg and adding to his legendary feats. after the yonko fall maybe he will take one of the spots.

[ancient vault]

when they come to get him

[heady parrot]

damn bro they put the ssg on buggy and no way that magnificent bastard was captured so we gonna see yonko buggy confirmed.

buggy is the man usopp could only dream of being

[sacred hawk]

What if the Government ships end up being what removes Kaido and his subordinates from Wano after he gets defeated?

Like they just get arrested, but break out later

[modest skiff]

I will be very surprised if Wano lets anyone other than them serve justice to Kaido. The WG stealing Kaido is equivalent to busting out a prisoner for Wano. It is possible but not likely. That would be like breaking someone out of Impel Down

[clear ridge]

Any theories about Luffy new gear?

[amber oar]

Don't overthink colorspreads. Franky isn't getting a Gorilla Zoan either

[clear ridge]

Lol it’s not bad to overthink

[left field]

Just saw this in SBS vol 99

D: In Chapter 966, Roger and Rayleigh said as they were holding up Momonosuke and Hiyori “I haven’t spent time with a baby in ages!!” and “Reminds me of the old days”, but in those old days, whose baby did they spend time with?! It doesn’t seem like there’s any women aboard Roger’s ship so… – P.N. Hakudeiino

O: …eh? They said that? That’s just… (sweat) J-just skip that bit!! It’s nothing to worry about, nothing to worry about! Fyuu~ Fyuu~ (whistle noise)

[cerulean coyote]

Well if Wano needs to open borders, the country has to make an offer to join the wg ...

[tardy bolt]

Wano most likely wont side with the government as the government didnt do anything to help the people. Wano will be Luffy's first named territory as a yonko and mom as the shogun would side with luffy aas he knows what the world government has done; with all the secret experiments and slavery. The strawhats will then go to meet shanks where they will get they final training to prepare for the last battles. '

[modest skiff]

I think Wano will have open borders and still totally separate from the immoral WG. I don't think they have any intentions of bowing to CDs. And with an alliance with Luffy, they will have protection of a rather giant alliance including the minks and others

[zinc iris]

you don't have to be in the wg to have relations with outher countries, tho you lose the protection from the Navy and other "perks"

however it seems the WG want to annex wano by force

[fathom matrix]

I think that's just cause I think DK was his costume in that one 3DS game, like how Zoro's was Link.

Plus, Oda's dropped subtle hints before, like the 72 gomu gomus being the same number of forms as son wukong. Considering Luffy's covered in fire, fire's been an important elemental as of late, plus there's the sun, sun wukong, gods, he's god, luffy in that picture is on fire, in a in a martial arts gi, and sun wukong was known as a great martial artist

[tired osprey]

dont you think the subtle sun wukong references are enough? going all the way would just ruin it

[fathom matrix]

he's been scattering hints around, and I can see what you mean that if you add too much, it spoils the surprise, but at least it's fun to analyse and this is theory channel, like Ace being the captain of the spade pirates, which means bad luck and in 1 colour page Luffy had a spade, skull and ace cards, and was in that very familiar pose.

[clear ridge]

When I saw Franky as King Kong I remember this from vegapunks blueprints https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/0/09/Vegapunk's_Research.png/revision/latest?cb=20130224125326

[fathom matrix]

that's anime

plus, this what I was talking about

[tired osprey]

I think you are mistaking references for hints on future development

[tired osprey]

where is usopp forgot what he was, yoshi?

[grizzled fog]

He’s right there in the image

[tired osprey]

...

[pure raven]

What if Judge ordered Niji to give Sanji the raid Suit because he saw potential in Sanji when he stood on the table with both feet in flames?

[thorn trench]

I mean this ain't really much but do y'all think that that one warlord who calls himself whitebeards son has the diminutive of the Quake quake fruit or whatever it was called?

[glossy oxide]

do you mean like a copy of it like momo/kaido?

[latent zodiac]

Do you think Elbaf is going to be a full arc or is it gonna be a Calm before the storm type deal?

[latent zodiac]

Edward weevil?

[slim venture]

—> Sanji is Lunarian

————-> Becasue Judge is Lunarian

——-> And that’s why he did genetic modification

[modest skiff]

Why would being Lunarian mean he would use/know genetic modification?

[vestal orbit]

probably means the fruit below it in the devil fruit hierarchy

like ton > kilo, hie > yuki, magu > mera

don't really think so, a tremble-tremble fruit sounds lame as hell lmao

[modest skiff]

Since we don't know anything about a devil fruit for Weevil it feels pretty difficult to theorize meaningfully. No reason to really assume anything over anything else

[left helm]

honestly, i doubt Judge is lunarian.
It's probably Sora if anyone was gonna be Lunarian.
If Judge had Lunarian gene why would he want to genetically modify that?

[pure raven]

where does judge being lunarian come from?

Yo guys, what do you think about this

I think it could be interpretated in multiple ways, one being that the old people in One Piece actually maintain their strength from their Prime, or old people somewhat maintain their strength from their prime but not completely.

because if Garp maintain his strength from when he was in his Prime, wouldnt he be the strongest in the verse? Lemme know what you think

[heady parrot]

Garp outright says in post enies lobby that he’s “lost some strength” so him and figures like whitebeard are definitely past their prime during the story.

[desert hatch]

well we saw whitebeard decline

but he was still whitebeard 😂😂

[heady parrot]

still insanely strong compared to 99.9% of the one piece verse but they were even stronger at one point is what Oda’s aiming for with these kinds of characters

[pure raven]

yeaa

[pure raven]

do you know what chapter he says this? I need to send it to my friend.

[grizzled fog]

I’m assuming they’re referring to this

[pure raven]

yea probably

[pure raven]

appreciate it

[hidden pumice]

Shouldn't brook be able to eat 2 devil fruits since he is all bones ?

[waxen dust]

....lol

[hidden pumice]

[waxen dust]

Either the two fruits cancel each other out and he dies or the second fruit has no effect but moves on to the nearest fruit

[pure raven]

yo whats the going theory for who king might be

[vestal orbit]

definitely a lunarian, doubt we've seen him already

[pure raven]

where does judge being lunarian come from?

[summer jasper]

comes from ppl over-hyping sanji's flames attacks

[pure raven]

lmao

[vestal orbit]

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/pdttfc/ch_1023_theory_the_mystery_surrounding_the/

this was what convinced me, honestly

[pure raven]

i was hoping it was more than that

[summer jasper]

Its probably just that 😛

[vestal orbit]

used to think it was sora but

[pure raven]

the only interesting thing there is the germa kingdom being unable to return home

it might have been a destroyed island in the north blue or maybe not

[vestal orbit]

eh, personally like it, think it answers a lot of questions i've had

[clear ridge]

Lmao what if King has a curly brows too like sanji

[zinc oxide]

where is this from

[junior cape]

I think Garp could beat Kaido.

Peak Garp, that is

[pure raven]

He called him a failure when speaking with Luffy. Also, his sys slipped the suit.

[grizzled fog]

It was niji

[pearl wagon]

What if luffy doesn't destroy fishman island by his hands, but destroys the protector of fishman island big mom?

[faint aspen]

do u guys think joy boy was the first haki user??

[manic kelp]

Imagine if Joy Boy was actually Luffy thrown back in time from some Time Time Fruit shenanigans.

[pure raven]

That prob would create plot holes

[ancient vault]

u cant travel to the past tho

[clever pulsar]

we barely even know his timeline

[hexed vapor]

No but maybe the first df user

[runic osprey]

I think he was the first df user

[fickle flower]

What if one piece was just an imaginary comic book wroten by a guy named eiichiro oda

[pure raven]

One piece is a story inside of a story

[outer edge]

It's just his passion guys

[pure raven]

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Joe has some really good theories

[pearl wagon]

This is NOT a joke theory

Shanks will not be evil, but an antagonist only because he is the last line of defense for the one piece. Reason i say he won't be evil, is that oda says he is like shanks.

[ivory nexus]

I didn't get what's wrong with op fandom literally some people believes zoro can defeat kaido but Luffy can't and oda is making zoro Luffy's lapdog

[pine delta]

@pearl wagon this is why I really believe in elbaf davy back fight luffy vs shanks

[pearl wagon]

Never thought about that, but very possible

[pure raven]

D stands for devil. The d are descendents of the devil who created the DF

[pearl wagon]

I can't wait to see king face reveal so we can know about lunarians

[pure raven]

How are you so sure that Im is a lunarian

[rustic granite]

New gear foreshadowing?

[pure raven]

I actually think is a known character, that is why Oda hides how they looks

[modest skiff]

Former slaves of CDs have also went to great lengths to hide their slave tattoos so that is also a possibility. If King is someone we know of, I don’t think it’s someone the SHs have met, since it appears King has been with Kaido for a long time

[pure raven]

I am talking about Im, not King

but yeah you might be right about that one

$

[bright leaf]

kind of reminds me of ryu from Street fighter

[grizzled fog]

That’s because it is. That’s the point

[dusk sand]

Actually it's Ken

[bright leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-ackchyually-actually-gif-11156171

[uneven meteor]

Yamato will die as same fate as oden
She proclaimed to be oden and chapter 1028 shows that yamato going for the explosions and the chapter likely to be downfall of ongashima so yamato sacrifice herself protecting people like same as oden by burning herself in the explosions

[dusk sand]

No lol

[bright leaf]

you are correct sir, its ken

[uneven meteor]

Hope so

[dusk sand]

Yeah Vemqi is wrong

[uneven meteor]

But it is what it is sad life

[bright leaf]

its more likely that yamato will go on an adventure with luffy

[uneven meteor]

Nah yamato will not be crewmember

[dusk sand]

Yamato took like 10 CoCting kanabo hits from Kaido

She's not going to die to the explosions, especially because they aren't even going to go off

[bright leaf]

she cant die, shes too cute for that kinda fate

[uneven meteor]

And one more thing that marine doesn't have supply to come in wano but they are coming now in wano which means they have captured warlord who have supplies I guess they caught boa

[dusk sand]

Well we don't know that for sure

[ripe nebula]

Yamato joining SHs will change the monster trio. So I think she will join but not now

[dusk sand]

Cause it only looks like it's Cipher Pol and potentially SSG, not necessarily Marines

[uneven meteor]

They can't catch the goat mihawk for sure

[bright leaf]

thats never gonna happen

[uneven meteor]

Enies lobby 2.0

[ripe nebula]

She might join SHs later in the series

[dusk sand]

I don't think Yamato will be another Jinbe

[bright leaf]

^

[uneven meteor]

Yup

[ripe nebula]

Then how will she go on adventure

[uneven meteor]

If that one theory of Japanese guy is right then vivi will join the crew not yamato

[bright leaf]

everything but vivi

[dusk sand]

I don't think people want Vivi at all lol

[ripe nebula]

The one who said we might see Vegapunk or Onigashima fall at 1031?

[uneven meteor]

Yeah that for sure

[uneven meteor]

Yup

[uneven meteor]

Oda is writer he doesn't care what everyone wants lol

[bright leaf]

if thats true, the person who said that has real observation haki

[dusk sand]

You have a point, but look at the push for Yamato

[ripe nebula]

Even if vivi joins, what would be her role..

[dusk sand]

The focus in the story, the reasons she wants to join, the merch, the marketing, etc

[ripe nebula]

I liker her but logically, she can't fight or anything

[bright leaf]

the only reason she would want to join is because they are friends

[ripe nebula]

But then that will be after the final war ig

[uneven meteor]

I wanna see dragon making move

[ripe nebula]

After wano

[uneven meteor]

Don't care who will join strawahat

[uneven meteor]

After wano bb might make move on wholecake island and stole ponelgiff from bigmom it is the right time

[bright leaf]

i want more story for nami and zoro, im not satisfied with their stories back in the east blue

[ripe nebula]

Yea but that should happen right now when BM is in wano

[uneven meteor]

Yeah right now but oda can't diverse chapter from wano to bb right now

[ripe nebula]

What If someone from Whole Cake comes and informs BM about BB raiding the island and then BM decides to leave Wano during war

Cause I don't think anyone can beat BM in wano

[uneven meteor]

It will be late cp0 still attacking at that time

[ripe nebula]

CP0 don't care about BM ig

[uneven meteor]

Yeah

But BB makes move now I guess if kaido defeated

[ripe nebula]

They just want wano or Robin and Ig they know they can't defeat BM

[ripe nebula]

He should atleast invade Whole cake right now

And maybe wano? After Kaido is defeated for ponegylph?

[uneven meteor]

Bb will not be in wano soon maybe

He will make move on another place I guess

[ripe nebula]

Yea he probably going after an ancient weapon

[uneven meteor]

Yeah that for sure

[bright leaf]

hes probably gonna appear in the final war, not at the climax of wano

[uneven meteor]

Maybe alabasta

[ripe nebula]

CP0 coming wano is okay, if any other else come, then it would seem bad

By bad I mean storywise

[uneven meteor]

Yeah

After wano where does strawshat go

[bright leaf]

they going to the sea

[ripe nebula]

Maybe they will continue to Elbaf or if Lucci spills about sabo, Then to navy?

[uneven meteor]

Both brother disturbing luffy lol before ace now sabo lol

[ripe nebula]

Lmao poor luffy

[bright leaf]

bonchan needs to apprear once again if thats the case

[ripe nebula]

It would be best if BM is defeated at Elbaf tbh

And that too by SHs

[ripe nebula]

Pls a movie or arc where SH fleet invade impel down !!!

[uneven meteor]

Did unotice that king and that one guy who smokes that bb reicuirted on his crew have same coat having same mark

Are they related or what

[ripe nebula]

That skull mark?

[bright leaf]

i see you want to make people cry again

[uneven meteor]

Yeah

[ripe nebula]

Even Katakuri has it

[uneven meteor]

It is for commander then

[ripe nebula]

Yoo cool, could be

[uneven meteor]

Xevec wills will be fulfilled by bb

[ripe nebula]

His ship is also named Saber of Xebec👀

[bright leaf]

[fathom matrix]

I wouldn't be surprised if in the next chapter, king set his wings on fire and used haki to turn them into blades

and THAT'S how he fights Zoro#

[uncut topaz]

what is Blackbeard goal?

[proud tree]

pirate king --> King of the world

[left field]

Agreed, both Vivi and Yamato don’t have individual dreams that associate with becoming the best at something or exploring something (ex Zoro and Chopper wanting to be best swordsman/doctor, Nami/Franky wanting to make a map/sail full GL)

[uncut topaz]

yea no im talking about Ep957 he said he want to take something i think hes going at wlc

[dusk sand]

I mean Yamato has the goal of seeing Laugh Tale and knowing Luffy's real dream

[left field]

If Yamato really were to join what would be her personal dream

[uncut topaz]

yamato its like oden for the strawhat

but wait if yamato has read oden book she knows what is the one piece???

[dusk sand]

I don't know what to tell you other than to look at these

[dusk sand]

She doesn't know what it is, we don't know what Oden wrote

[uncut topaz]

yea i saw it 😄

[left field]

I think her bonding with Momo is symbolizing her gradually stronger will to guard Wano, and this can also be associated with her DF ability which is literally a guardian deity of Wano

[dusk sand]

Ugh gross

[uncut topaz]

oh ok

[long kettle]

who do u think the next memberr will be

[dusk sand]

Yamato

[uncut topaz]

yea yamao

[stuck crown]

In odens backstory
Roger had 3 road poneglyphs
From wano, fishman island and big mom
He then found the 4th
Any idea where the 4th cud be?

[proud tree]

I think he still chases the strongest devil fruits here

[dusk sand]

Potentially with Shanks

[stuck crown]

But like what island wud most likely have it, elbaf?

[dusk sand]

We actually saw the fourth one, it was the one in FMI back during Oden's flashback

[uncut topaz]

i think after luffy has beat kaido b.b will stole the zoan of kaido

[stuck crown]

I included the 1 from fmi

[dusk sand]

Yeah it got moved, Elbaf is pretty likely

[stuck crown]

Oh i see

So luffy currently has 3?

[dusk sand]

There are some theories of other islands coming into fruition but we know Elbaf is a confirmed destination at some point

[dusk sand]

Yeah Kaido has one in Wano somewhere

[stuck crown]

O

[uncut topaz]

u forgot zou

[stuck crown]

So the final 1 will most likely be in elbaf

[dusk sand]

After that, Luffy and the SHs will have 3
1 from Zou
1 from WCI (Big Mom)
1 from Wano (Kaido)

1 from Elbaf (Shanks) makes sense yeah

[stuck crown]

Didnt the 1 from fmi get moved to zou or soemthing

[dusk sand]

We don't know where the one from FMI is

[left field]

I don’t think Yamato is joining but I won’t lie it would be cool if she joined Luffy’s crew and and set herself on the goal of finishing Oden’s journal

[uncut topaz]

but we dont know where the 3th ponygleph wano lol

[dusk sand]

But we do know that the FMI one is the last one

[stuck crown]

Oden said there was a poneglyph in wano so they went back ghere

[left field]

Cause that dream would be personal to her and it would be linked to Luffy becoming PK so it would work

[dusk sand]

Some people have theorized it's in Mt Fuji in Wano

[uncut topaz]

can we send images here?

[dusk sand]

Has to be relevant to the discussion or a theory I believe, but yeah just go to #old-role-info

[left field]

Wait so was there originally a road poneglyph on FMI

[sinful wedge]

Yes

[left field]

I may not remember correctly, did someone steal it?

And if someone stole it who stole it

[dusk sand]

We don't know

[surreal harness]

Was thinking same

[pure raven]

So you think he has a philosophical view as well maybe anti-hero?

[manic relic]

I think the 4th road ponegliph will be fast claimed like in zou without a big battle like in wci or wano. Maybe it will be given by ally of SH’s or rewarded by elbaf army if they defeat their enemy big mom

[autumn leaf]

Shanks has it

It makes a lot of sense for shanks to hold on to one to make sure he can make contact with Luffy before the end

And to metagame a bit we cannot fight BB for one but this way there is now 1 for each of the Yonko.

[pure raven]

Is it confirmed if WhiteBeard has one?

[wary fossil]

no but it was at fishman island and whitebeard was protecting fmi and now it's hidden so people suspect that whitebeard hid it

[pure raven]

But that wasn't a road poneglyph

[wary fossil]

there were 2 when they did oden flashback

[drowsy marsh]

We gonna ignore that Lodestar is an anagram for last Road(e)?

[wary fossil]

the word itself has a guiding meaning

"a star that is used to guide the course of a ship, especially the Pole Star."
"a person or thing that serves as an inspiration or guide."

[left field]

What do we think Ryokugyu’s ability is

The only clue we have about him is that he hasn’t eaten in 3 years

[modest skiff]

Most common theory is that he has some sort of plant devil fruit that allows him to use photosynthesis. Other than that, not really any theories that explain why a devil fruit would allow someone to not eat

[left field]

Interesting

I mean he is the “green” bull so we pretty much know he’s gonna have a green admiral uniform

The colors associate to their abilities too (red = magma, yellow = light, blue = ice, purple = space (meteors), so perhaps green associated with having plant-like abilities such as photosynthesis and carbon+water draining?

There’s also the ironies with all the admirals too
Akainu uses magma and has an ice cold heart
Aokiji uses ice but has some sympathy
Kizaru’s light ability gives the best mobility but he has slow reaction time
Fujitora is blind but sees the issues in the WG system

[pure raven]

Luffy gains environmental energy from those around him. Positive Spiritual Energy and Will-power that sets his Haki vigorous

https://tenor.com/view/ascending-energy-galaxy-gif-17739196

since Luffy has the power to attract his enemies and people why not be supported and connected with/by them

[real swan]

It is kinda interesting that people can coat themselves and other things with haki but we haven't seen people coat other people yet, or even attempt to.

[robust basalt]

[uneven meteor]

Then there might be clash between bb and shanks

[snow grove]

Kaido and yamato doesn't have the same horns

Cp0 may call marines for backup and then shanks will make his move to stop marines

[plush pike]

Has anyone posted a theory about Yamato possibly meeting Orochi in the room with the explosives? It seems that triggering an explosion would be one way Orochi could "get revenge" on Kaido, as long as he rigs them in such a way that he can get off the island in time.

I don't know, it just seems weird that we just recently saw Orochi alive and lurking again. I doubt Orochi is just gonna sit there and wait for his storyline to conclude with someone killing him or him being imprisoned or something.

Also it would make sense as a matchup to have Kaido's proposed new ruler go up against the current ruler of Wano.

Even if Yamato doesn't want to be that.

So basically, instead of Yamato going to defuse the bombs being a clue that Onigashima will fall, it will kind of be a throwback to the Alabasta arc, where Crocodile had rigged the bomb to go off even if they could stop the cannon from firing. So Momo will succeed in stopping the island from falling, and then Yamato will have to deal with Orochi before he blows Onigashima up.

Not to mention it makes all the sense in the world that Orochi would be aware of the explosives, since he's the one who has been manufacturing weapons all these years for Kaido.

[upbeat mist]

but it wouldnt be very hard for her no? yama is insanely strong, even this injured she could prob curbstomp orochi in seconds

[plush pike]

That highly depends on how dirty Orochi is gonna play it. Maybe he'll have hostages, or strap himself with the explosives or something, or Yamato will come just in time and Orochi will basically have his hand on the trigger.

I think it would be interesting to see a desperate Orochi at this point, someone who feels like he has nothing left to lose unless he takes down Kaido.

[left field]

That does make a lot of sense, after all Orochi has always had his mind on revenge

[pure raven]

Yamato dying in Wano would be a real tragedy, One Piece hasn't had enough characters dying in the new world. So this could be Oda's opportunity to create an impact. since everyone is anticipating Yamato to join the straw hats. Than to have her die would bring down Wano moral. It's kinda of like a parallel to ace

now I want her to die, instead of joining the crew🙂 would make things more interesting

[plush pike]

She's too popular, Oda won't kill her

[left field]

The types of people who want things for the sake of an interesting story are those I respect

I don’t really want Yamato to survive or die, I just want Oda to either have a justified reason for killing her off or if she lives have her course of action make sense

Like there’s

1. She joins the Sunny immediately
2. She stays in Wano as Momo’s retainer, maybe enters final war later
3. Dies protecting Wano (her DF is literally Wano’s guardian deity)

[plush pike]

Well killing her off would put a lot of people off IMO and Oda doesn't like killing off characters if they have potential for more.

I could see her staying in Wano for a bit though.

Though her entire thing is she has been trapped on Onigashima her entire life, so idk, seems like she deserves to go on an adventure. Plus she already asked to join Luffy.

[left field]

Keeping Yamato alive is more of a business tactic than a necessary story element at this point

[pure raven]

It's meh, does Yamato know how to write in the same language that's on the Poneglyphs? that would be the only purpose I see her playing if she would joined the crew

[bleak whale]

killing yama makes her even more shoehorned into this arc even more than she already is

[plush pike]

That's like saying keeping Chopper alive is more of a business tactic than a necessary story element

[left field]

Yamato merch
Yamato sideboob
Plus Toei prolly wants Oda to not kill her so they can give more sideboob screen time

[bleak whale]

not that i dont like yamato but right now im not convinced as to why she was really added to this arc. Also I see her being her own captain if you ask me

[plush pike]

Ooor Oda wrote the sideboob knowing people would like her and therefore be more okay with his decision to bring her along.

[bleak whale]

too much booba to kill

[left field]

Umm, not at all. Chopper has his own personal dream that he’s gonna achieve on his adventure with Luffy

[plush pike]

Yamato also has a dream, to escape Onigashima and live freely like Oden

[left field]

That’s precisely why I said keeping Yamato alive is more significant as a business tactic than as a story element

[left field]

Yup! And if she ends up sailing with Luffy she’ll achieve that dream literally instantly, before any other crew members

[bleak whale]

her dying wouldn't make sense, unless she dies and kaido does not and that actually develops kaido but that's just brainstorming

Yamato is a captain character

[left field]

^^

[plush pike]

Instantly? So the moment Oden stepped on Whitebeard's ship his dream was over? That's not how anything works.

[bleak whale]

she is following ace in a sense more than anything

[plush pike]

If anything, Franky's dream is over because he already made the dream ship that could sail everywhere. he's just along for the ride keeping his dream alive.

[left field]

I think it would make the most sense if Yamato became Momo’s first retainer and guided him to manhood (remember, Momo is an adult with a child’s brain)

[bleak whale]

actually, the only way yama joins the crew is if Momo joins

[left field]

Hasn’t sailed the full GL yet

[plush pike]

Oh I do think Yamato is gonna be a retainer of Kuri

[bleak whale]

they have a perfect gag dynamic

[plush pike]

And Yamato has not seen all of the outside world yet.

I don't know why you are so interested in devaluing Yamato's dream.

The gag dynamic is there obviously, but Momo absolutely can't leave Wano behind.

[bleak whale]

Shogun is gonna be sukiyaki tbh, yama literally doesnt wanna be in wano. But I also don't see her joining the crew yet. She has conq haki, she is a captain type character. But it also depends what is going to happen with Momo so things are way too hard to tell

[plush pike]

Momo's dream is literally to be the next shogun.

[plush pike]

Zoro also has conqueror's and has been mistaken for the captain plenty of times.

[bleak whale]

Yea and that's fair but i cant say its the same situation

[plush pike]

I rest my case.

[bleak whale]

idk how that proves it

Zoro has had a pact with luffy since episode 3

[grizzled fog]

Plenty of times? When has that happened other than enies lobby

[bleak whale]

Yamato just met this kid an hour ago

[plush pike]

That's like saying Oden wouldn't join Whitebeard because he's a captain type character.

[bleak whale]

Yea but he needed a method to leave wano

And he was a captain and had a 'crew'

[plush pike]

Pretty sure somewhere in Arlong Park at least, and maybe Alabasta, I'd have to reread to find out.

[arctic lagoon]

So how is killer going to beat Hawkins? I think he’s going to cut hawkings arm off but where kid already lost his arm.

So it won’t matter

Is that how his df works

[plush pike]

That is the leading theory

[bleak whale]

I do think its quite possible to yama to join. But I think her and momo have to join together.

[arctic lagoon]

Well I can’t wait to see that happen because it will be the first real w that the Kidd pirates get.

[bleak whale]

or she sails on her own and we see her final war

[plush pike]

Momo is absolutely not joining. I think there's a larger chance of Tama joining than Momo.

[pure raven]

Mono has to stay and become shogun

[arctic lagoon]

Yeah wtf you can’t be a pirate and a shogun you bitch!!

[plush pike]

https://tenor.com/view/susden-gif-22865299

[arctic lagoon]

Sorry that was mean

[bleak whale]

Yeah and I think he will be shogun and will be taught by his grandfather

[plush pike]

Sorry for memeing in manga-theories but that was just too good of an opportunity.

[arctic lagoon]

Because odens dad is that stilt guy with the wings right?

[bleak whale]

i just really think yamato has a will of her own, unless she wants to follow luffy because of Ace. then i'd be all in for that

[plush pike]

Hitetsu?

[bleak whale]

yea him

[arctic lagoon]

Yeah and the mask

[bleak whale]

i mean i will be surprised genuninely if he isnt sukiyaki

[plush pike]

Wasn't Oden's father poisoned to death by Orochi and the hag?

[arctic lagoon]

Who would it be if it wasn’t him

[plush pike]

It would be Tenguyama Hitetsu.

[bleak whale]

we never saw a body and theres too many similarities between the two

[arctic lagoon]

Whom?

[plush pike]

"Tenguyama Hitetsu is a swordsmith, a collector of beautiful girl kokeshi dolls,[2] and the descendant of the legendary swordsmith Kotetsu.[4] He lives with Tama in the ruins of Amigasa Village in the Kuri region of Wano Country.[1]"

[arctic lagoon]

Oh

[bleak whale]

He has the same voice actor, is basically hiding in the outskirts of wano, has a mask on, both had some thing with kokeshi dolls

idk i mean knowing oda he could pull a fast one

[grizzled fog]

Never confirmed.

[arctic lagoon]

I mean I think it’s a fake identity to not be discovered by orochi and to hide his shame of what he allowed wano to become.

[grizzled fog]

They’re the same age, share a hobby of collecting kokeshi dolls, same VA and orochi never said he killed him

[arctic lagoon]

Idk that’s headcannon I like his strange design so wait what sword does everyone think zoro is going to get during the fight with king.

[bleak whale]

nothing we have said was headcanon

other than assuming its odens dad, but all the evidence is there to point in that direction

[plush pike]

Where did you see the kokeshi dolls with Oden's father?

[bleak whale]

during flashback

in the anime i remember it forsure

and with Robin possibly being stolen now cause of the Government. We can actually have sukiyaki read the poneglyphs on wano for us until we get robin back later (assuming she gets taken)

but thats getting into some real headcanon

[grizzled fog]

Check the pinned theory on it, should have all the points

[arctic lagoon]

So sandai kaitesu is the last sword that is only a grade sword the others being wado ichimonji and Enma.

[pure raven]

Quick Theory
East blue | Fishmen Island - fight fish

Alabasta | Dressrosa - fight warlord

Skypeia | Zou - hidden treasure/person

Ennies Lobby | Whole cake island - rescue nakama

Thriller bark | Wano - free a hidden island

Sabaody | Elbaf? - information

Amazon lily/Impel down | Raftel/final island - Realize what needs to be done, sacrifice everything

MarineFord | Final War - series conclusion

@hollow grotto
this isn't objective, but thought these parallels were pretty similar

[arctic lagoon]

Which are great grade swords?

[warped shore]

nidai kitetsu

[bleak whale]

imo wano is a combination of eneis lobby and thriller bark

water 7 & eneis lobby & thriller bark = whole cake & wano just turned up 5 notches

[left field]

WCI alone felt like The Water 7/Enies lobby parallel. Sanji claiming that he’s got going back was like Usopp leaving Luffy, and Luffy trying to everything he could to get Sanji was like him rescuing Robin.

Thriller Bark is weird tho, it’s not an island it’s Gecko Moria’s ship. The SHs had zero purpose going there until meeting Brook and trying to get his shadow back

[hollow grotto]

I can see this being true, since it seems like we've very few islands left before the series is over

[brave silo]

how many chapters till post wano end ?

[pearl wagon]

Yeah 2-3, Elbaf definitely since usopp has wanted to go there for a long time, lodestar maybe but if luffy and colby ever do a roger - garp on blackbeard, its happening on lodestar, and then obviously raftel

But don't you think luffy and smoker have a relationship like roger and garp, almost killed each other many times? And luffy has sort of a friend-ish relation ship with smoker even though smoker doesn't see it like that, which is also like roger garp

[next thicket]

Smoker has barely had interactions with Luffy over the course of the series. Colby has only had two but they still both have had the rival attitude of pushing each other to their goals

[pearl wagon]

But they haven't almost killed each other many times. Luffy is friends with colby but it wouldn't make sense for luffy or colby to say "Hey we haven't met in 2 years wanna take down one of the strongest people on earth?"

[next thicket]

Luffy probably wouldn’t ask that of Smoker either, Luffy doesn’t need to have a “Garp”

[pearl wagon]

It's pretty clear by now that luffys story is parallel to rogers. From what we know, garp played a big part in rogers story, and to beat blackbeard (who is like the xebec of the current time) will be defeated by luffy and smoker/colby.

While none of them fit the description of garp perfectly, it's definitely more likely for him to team up with smoker

[lean pine]

Not everything in one piece has to be a 1 to 1 parallel

[pure raven]

What if its lucci?
Everyone wants smoker or cobby to be grap of Luffy but lucci is also likely to be the one xD

[pearl wagon]

Luffy doesn't trust lucci like one of the people in his crew. He said "I'm going to kick his ass" Which he's never said about colby or smoker, and often laughs or makes jokes while fighting them.

[pearl wagon]

It doesn't, but the god valley incident shows a lot of paralells like blackbeard and xebec, or roger and luffy.

Blackbeard pirates are the most evil crew on the sea, sounds familiar right?

[sturdy willow]

what is imus position in the world govt

[ripe nebula]

He is the king of the world?

Or leader of WG

[marsh warren]

i dunno, the Sukiyaki theory makes sense to me but wouldn't he be pretty damn old now?

[empty barn]

hito hito no mi: mythical model: kami

[amber oar]

which theory, Hitetsu? Checks out. If Oden was alive he'd be 59. Hitetsu is 81. 22 is a viable age to be a father depending on circumstances (Garp became a father at 23)

[ancient vault]

imagine youre abput 29 years old and your 7 year old son is more mature than you

[sinful wedge]

There's one really potential implication that comes from the Tengu=Sukiyaki theory

That Kotetsu was a Kozuki too and the Shodai Kitetsu potentially being with the bald gorosei now could make for a really interesting story

Involving the 19 ruling families and Wano of the past

[amber oar]

I mean, even as an adult Oden's behavior doesn't yell maturity. Until he gets married at least

[fathom matrix]

What if Sanji's alterations awaken so much, that he actually starts to have natural invisibility powers?

Hell, maybe instead of roaring flames, he could create vanishing flames?

[rotund pond]

Be too OP

Invisible with no suit or DF? That’s sounds crazy

[radiant blade]

I have a kind of crazy theory that Luffy... doesn't fight Shanks? That Shanks instead teams up with Luffy and Co. If you consider Kaidou to be the tip top of yonkous for now, besides blackbeard, and the timeframe of One Piece ending, then how would a Shanks encounter work? How would it fit in? I just don't think it does. I think One Piece is ending way sooner and going from Wano to Elbaf and then the end game of Laugh Tale and Mariejois.

I think Shanks teams up or works with Luffy instead of an actual fight encounter arc.

[flat nimbus]

Shanks is clearly v Blackbeard as a crew structure

Not Luffy

[radiant blade]

It would make sense and then Luffy and his crew would be against the world government and Akainu and everyone

[tropic vapor]

Queen is like Zoro but stronger and advanced, King is like Sanji but more stronger and advanced

[radiant blade]

Just with the time frame of one piece, what's happening, how op Kaidou is, etc

[flat nimbus]

ye for sure Luffy will have major triggers on Akainu

[radiant blade]

Shanks only plot basically for the longest time has been what blackbeard has done to him, about blackbeard, about stopping blackbeard

[flat nimbus]

Plot wise makes too sense that he is now the proper boss of the marine, working as a final wall for him

[flat nimbus]

I can see Luffy interacting vs Blackbeard as a consequence of what he could do to Shanks

That as the only valid reason tbh

[radiant blade]

Blackbeard has definitely been set up as a counterpart to Luffy so Luffy will definitely need to fight or interact with him in some way.

It's just for now, after Wano, the crew will go to Elbaf then I think its straight to the end game. The only possible bigger bad guys after Kaidou can be Blackbeard and Akainu. I just don't see anyone else filling that role.

And according to the story a couple chapters ago, Onigashima will fall in 5 minutes so Kaidou should theoretically be defeated very soon.....

[wet perch]

Kaido defeated by New Year’s Day maybe. Chapter after that would be the first chapter of a new year, a dawn of sorts

2022 is the year of the Tiger, too. Might be relevant

[ancient vault]

I meant to say that he was a savage

[pure raven]

What do you guys think Post-Wano arc will be like ?

[modest skiff]

My hope is that it ends up being Straw Hats saving Sabo from a Marie Jois prison. But since things are ramping up in all sorts of ways with CP0 showing up, it is hard to estimate what the end of Wano arc will look like right now

[pure raven]

True I actually didn't think any WG will show up but last chapter kill it

[sinful wedge]

I think when all is said and done, post Wano is going to have some of the best chapters in the entire series

Deciphering the poneglyphs, knowing more about Wano's relevance to the whole world, big banquet, potentially seeing more of Zoro's past and a lot more lore bombs than we are expecting right now

But all of that after this new conflict with the WG, which would make it even better

since that brings in the possibility if another 3rd party entering this arc and what could entail with those said characters now

The narrative is going to take a shift from Kaido/Wano's problem to the overarching theme of dawn and hyping the WG as the final antagonists come end of this arc

[pure raven]

Interesting, the point is ODA keep adding more stuff in each chapters . Which make one piece such an unpredictable series to read / Watch

I love every bits of it

I'm sure this was already discussed several times but I missed those discussions..
Is Zoros Ashura form his version of Kings Haki Covering? (I dont like the term CoCting)
He unlocked his own version of Armament Haki durint Alabasta long before it was introduced and with Kaido referring " Do you also possesess Kings Haki" this makes even more sense IMO
Thus Zoro is able to manifest Kings Haki in his special attack but is still unconscious of that
After this arc he'll unlock it and use it permanently...
Just a reminder, Roger had 2 more Crew members who possessed CoC (not counting Bullet anf Shanks)

[pure raven]

We still dont know how powerful is cp0, and the five elders. Moreover, there might be some new enemies that will appear. For instance, who are those people serving Im? Are they powerful? Who knows man... I still think that many enemies will come before black beard and the marines.

[outer edge]

Zoro showed haki signs before it's introduction
First observation
Then CoC

[pure raven]

I think we will see a timeskip again

[pure raven]

Thats the reason why I believe that he indeed possesses CoC
And he used ashura first in Enies Lobby so he already showed covered Kings Haki way before its introduction (which was a few chapters later with shanks and WB clashing)

[outer edge]

Shanks was the first
Second was zoro pbl
To show haki

And here we thought 9 sword kid zoro was a foreshadowing
But now even Ashura itself was a foreshadowing

[pure raven]

Guys how strong is the world military draft

[severe edge]

ashura doesn't equal CoC could be that he unlocked it way after and just instinctively uses it when using ashura later down the line

[radiant blade]

I always consider Im and Gorosei as part of that marine encounter, should have specified

[pure raven]

I see

Btw do you guys think the world military draft will have more influence in the story?

Fujitora was a soldier there before being an admiral, there might be powerful individuals there

[cinder ember]

I think Mid luffy and kaido fight, luffy would ask kaido what happend between him and shanks before marineford. would be really cool

[sand sail]

The World Military Draft was an event, not a group

The lasting influence it's had in the story is that it's given us Fujitora and Ryokugyu

[pure raven]

How so

[modest skiff]

The military had a draft to find strong people. The strong people became admirals. While yes, it is possible a couple people were 99% as strong as Fujitora/Ryokugyu, we have no reason to assume anyone is stronger than them.

[sand sail]

The draft already happened, it's not a group that exists in the story, it was an event that happened during the time skip, so it's already all done. The influence on the story is the fact that we now have Fujitora instead of a different admiral, which is the only reason Dressrosa was even allowed to go down the way it did.

Which was one of the biggest turning points of the story so far

[modest skiff]

We haven't been told if any new vice admirals came out of it, but we don't have any indication one way or the other. You would think if Fujitora barely defeated someone weaker than him, the navy would think that person would also be worth recruiting. Who knows though

[pine delta]

we also dont know what the draft even means. it couldve just been a lot of strong people joining the WG with fujitora being a super strong dude so they made him admiral

[wary fossil]

is it said that they were recruited through the draft? I thought they were promoted

[vestal orbit]

fuji and green bull were recruited, everyone else gets promoted normally

[wary fossil]

the viz translation makes it look like they are just promoted after the draft

like the sequence of events looks like akainu becomes fleet admiral + kuzan leaves > akainu holds the draft > fujitora and ryokugyu are promoted to admirals joining kizaru as the wg's strongest 3 marines, possibly after fighting to see who is the strongest among the old marines and the newly drafted

[sinful wedge]

It's funny to me how such a big event like this would be a rumor and not known to the whole world

I mean the knowing about the names of the new admirals

[wary fossil]

that kind of stuff isn't that important to the rest of the world

military man promoted to rank of admiral wouldn't be nearly as breaking news as pirate breaks into prison stronghold and lets loose a ton of dangerous criminals

[sand sail]

The rumor isn't in knowing them lol

The rumor is that they're both monsters

[modest skiff]

How I think Wano arc ends and Kaido is defeated:

I originally talked about this here #manga-theories message but I wanted to elaborate on it before I read the theory that is apparently similar on Reddit mentioned by @pure raven

The largest volcanic eruption in history was in Indonesia in 1815. This eruption launched ash around the ENTIRE planet and lowered the global temperature while doing so. It is entirely conceivable that extreme volcanic eruptions in Wano created the entire White Sea in the same way this Indonesian volcano covered the entire planet. We are essentially directly told that from the scientists in the white sea who describe how the white sea was formed. The fact that a significant event in Indonesian history extremely similar happened is just icing on the cake. Oda loves Indonesia for some reason. Nothing wrong with Indonesia, of course, but it is a common trend in his writing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1815_eruption_of_Mount_Tambora

So I am assuming that all seastone is not only forged in Wano, but the mineral itself only naturally occurs there. Eruptions from the mountain in the center of Wano are what birthed the entire seastone of the world and the White Sea. I think it is possible that giant chucks of seastone ended up being ejected all over the planet, which is why groups other than Wano have seastone, but I think Fuji-yama is the only volcano where seastone occurs.

I think Wano was pieced together exactly where it was for the sake of protecting the seastone of the world. I think somewhere along the way, Wano was formed where it was to protect the volcano at the center. I think the volcano erupting will be the big event of the Wano arc, not Onigashima exploding.

I think the volcano erupting is one of the big reasons Oden and now Momo want to open Wano. I think the volcano erupting a second time will fundamentally change the connection between the white sea (and everything above it) and the blue sea. I think it is possible that Joyboy's business will somehow involve results from the volcano erupting. No real concrete idea, but I think that volcano and perhaps the pathway to the white sea that results from it going off again will be extremely important.

I think the fight between Kaido and everyone else will eventually involve "oh shit he volcano is going off soon", which will provide an opportunity to either toss Kaido into the volcano, or to throw Kaido into the blast of the volcano, which, with the seastone and everything, will totally annihilate him.

[pure raven]

@modest skiff the theory I read was not about defeating kaido, it was about how ponyglyphs and sea stones are made.

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/f7imjr/why_seastone_and_poneglyphs_originated_in_wano/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

[modest skiff]

Ohhh ok thank god. Thanks for the link

[sinful wedge]

Oh yeah you're right lol

Anyways I had this theory pertaining to seastones and Mt. Fuji too https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/pnfupx/is_wano_responsible_for_giving_birth_to_all_the/

[normal root]

Is there a theory that shanks stole kids arm to replace his?

[outer edge]

He stole half of kids arm

Maybe he will find one more to finish his set

[waxen dust]

I think at this point it’s pretty evident that Mt. Fuji is the key to the seastones. I am now more so wondering how or if does any of it tie into the unexplained “natural” weather in Wano and what method and resources are there to “opening” the Wano border.

I also think there is a way to enter into Mt. Fuji, I have a good feeling there is something else hiding in there whether it be the Road Poneglyph, Pluton, or even something else. I feel like an eruption is inevitable as well as actually visiting the region of Mt. Fuji by the end of this arc.

[pine delta]

just came to me, but 7 warlord system is such a specific idea i wouldn't be suprised if we have a flashback that covers the "original 7"

[sinful wedge]

If you notice the Hakumai port entrance closely, there are doors near the harbor from where Apoo and co. entered the country

Passages like that could lead to so me interesting places beneath mainland Wano

Probably places like where Imu went to see the Strawhat

[fathom matrix]

What if the Gorosei's names haven't been revealed, because they're not who they are?

Like, what if the bodies ARE world nobels by blood, but since there's reincarnation with fruit, actual souls that have been shown, and a lot of mythology, when a Gorosei member dies or is about to die, they take a young world nobel, put their souls in them, and the reason they don't have names, is because they don't matter anymore. And because it's been so long

They're the gorosei, they serve Imu, they make the decisions, that's all that matters to them and how it will keep continuing

Like, maybe there have been women, children, or even older people in the group of 5.

PLUS, they're also called "the 5 elder stars" despite one member looking young, maybe 50 sto 40s, but maybe they're called that BECAUSE their spirits have been there for a long time

[left field]

Interesting, I never really gave the gorosei much thought

Btw, who do we think the “certain pirate” Shanks was talking about is? I don’t have any leads to who it could be, but there are a handful of pirates I’m sure aren’t who he’s talking about

[golden pewter]

I just remembered wasn't sanji's leg got fractured back at punk hazard? Does that foreshadow his new powers now?

[desert hatch]

i think kidd

#manga-theories message

[stiff patrol]

No, his new powers are due to the raid suit, he commented that ever since he put it on he has felt weird.

[left field]

Even though I have my stakes on Yamato not joining I do have a position that justifies why she could end up joining

[idle oar]

i think she will because i want that to happen

or he whatever people prefer

[left field]

I don't feel like going into detail (yet), but it involves her dream to sail with Luffy, her carrying on Oden's legacy by writing in his journal the things Roger and Oden were too early for, her being the first "princess" character that's had no sort of responsibility or crew, etc

the problem is, what would be her role as a crew member? We've already got
-Luffy: captain
-Zoro: fighter
-Nami: navigator
-Usopp: sniper
-Sanji: cook
-Chopper: doctor
-Robin: archaeologist (ik it's not a normal ship role but in a world where reading ancient stones is needed to find One Piece it makes sense)
-Franky: shipwright
-Brook: musician
-Jinbe: helmsman
-Yamato: ???

[fresh pecan]

Carrot would operate the Crow's nest, she already has before

[left field]

I... wasn't talking about Carrot? But tbf crow's nest is a valid ship role

[pure raven]

There's plenty of possibilities. I think my 1st choice would be BB, second Luffy and third option would be Xebec or BM/Kaidou

[left field]

I feel like it's none of those

The Kid theory is pretty good but ultimately I feel like it won't be Kid

[left field]

also, Mr. Yamato PFP, do u think Yamato is joining

[pure raven]

Maybe yeah

[pure raven]

From where does Shanks know Kidd though?

[left field]

Kid literally fought against his crew and lost his arm to them, remember that...?

[pure raven]

huh

but why would he talk about him to the elders

One thing is facing someone, other is knowing who that person is

but show me the theory, I am interested

[left field]

scroll up, someone posted it

btw I would have the most dull facial expression the world has ever seen if I was reading a chapter and saw Shanks talking to the gorosei about Monkey D. Luffy

that would have no hype value at all

I doubt it's Luffy cause that's a boring writing move and I doubt it's BB cause Shanks would never smile when talking about BB

[grizzled fog]

He would obviously know who kid is especially if he fought him lol. Dudes one of the biggest pirates in the world

[left field]

the only clue we have to who the certain pirate is is that Shanks was smiling when he said it

Shanks has fought against BB, Mihawk, Kidd's crew, Kaido, and stopped the paramount war so those could be clues too

tbh it would be hype asf if the certain pirate was Mihawk

[grizzled fog]

No he wasn’t

[left field]

oh looks like I've been corrected

[weak arrow]

As much as I hate Kid, please let Shanks be talking about Kid

[abstract bison]

Nah blackbeard

[weak arrow]

The gorosei already know how much of a threat blackbeard is, as does Imu based off the scene with the bounty posters

[left field]

maybe BB, I mean it's not impossible

[abstract bison]

It might be bb cause am pretty sure shanks knows bb has two personality or two souls

[left field]

god I can't wait for BB's backstory, it's gonna be one of the best ones in the series

[weak arrow]

I mean, I can't say it's not Blackbeard with certainty, but having Shanks go "BB problem" again is both off-putting and unecessary. He should really be warning them about someone that's off the radar. And that'd be Kid.

[left field]

I was thinking the same thing, no point in Shanks talking to them about a pirate they're already going crazy about. No way it would be anyone on the posters Im-sama was looking at

[weak arrow]

and Ofc if you wanna go Shanks evil route, Luffy makes sense

[left field]

no way Shanks is evil that's just bad storywriting at that point

[wet meteor]

It’d make sense tho

I mean why would he lose his arm in front of luffy on purpose

[weak arrow]

I don't think he'll go the evil route, but that's the only way it would make sense if he were talking about Luffy.

When this chapter initially released, I thought he was talking about Xebec, mainly hinging on the fact Oda had an interview talking about a lurking legend. But now I don't think the story has time for him.

Oda has always talked about how he thinks Kid will be an important character even when he made him, so I really think he's going to be pirate he discussed with the Gorosei, keeping the audience's thoughts on him to keep him relevant as it seems Luffy has already surpassed him and then some, especially since Luffy will likely have 3 road poneglyphs by the end of the arc

[pure raven]

Rocks D. Kid

Prob Impossible though, since rocks was defeated ~20 years before Kid's birth

[upbeat mist]

is that a meme or...

i legitimately cannot tell what thats trying to show, neither look anything alike and i dont see the point in adding red dots for eyes and nipples

[remote topaz]

? pretty clear to me

[robust comet]

I have the feeling Luffy is going to die soon

[modest skiff]

We don’t know it has nothing to do with lineage factor though. While the raid suit may have awakened something, his siblings are strong due to changes in their lineage factor even without the suits. It could even be that his lineage factor mods needed to be awakened through emotion or stress or something. I label it a question mark atm

[modest skiff]

People have brought up the idea of brewmaster. But I also think people just being strong makes sense at one point. I am not convinced everyone who joins will have some typical ship role

[vestal orbit]

yamato knows how to make beer?

[left field]

but like - everyone that's joined has a unique role

[vestal orbit]

or like sake

alcohol in general

[left field]

Being a brewer makes zero sense for Yamato's character

Zoro- fighter
Nami- navigator
etc

no crewmates can have the same role in this series

therefore Yamato can't join as a fighter

[modest skiff]

They may not know specifically why though. Especially if he has a background or race that is particularly troublesome. As an example, Lunarians appear to be special. There could be races we are currently unaware of with specific powers or knowledge that are dangerous

[vestal orbit]

katakuri does have a mochi body

[long wind]

it's not constantly mochi is what I mean

like how Luffy's body is just always rubber

[vestal orbit]

huh, honestly thought it was

[long wind]

nah it just basically works like a logia

[vestal orbit]

but still, wouldn't buggy's fruit be the same? it's always choppable

[long wind]

thought he'd have to activate it

[vestal orbit]

then again we don't know for sure if that's how it works or if buggy's genuinely hiding his true power to the point that he can split before even mihawk can slash him

[modest skiff]

I’m not convinced this has to continue. And I’m not convinced we can conceive of every possible role. We don’t know everything about her. Perhaps she has capabilities or interests or whatever we don’t know of. Overall my point is I don’t think “but what is her role” is enough reason to say she won’t join

[long wind]

feel like his body might just be immune to cutting yea

but I meant like paramecias of ppl who can turn into blades, spikes, glue or cum or whatever trebol was

[vestal orbit]

trebol didn't turn into cum, he only surrounded his body with it to appear invulnerable

[long wind]

oh right

[vestal orbit]

still, it's an interesting idea

[long wind]

kinda odd how the only SMILE's we've seen were zoan too

which makes sense for kaido's crew but I digress

[vestal orbit]

probably a bit hard to obtain the lineage factors of inanimate objects tbf

[sand sail]

It's not odd, Smiles can only be zoans

[pure raven]

Instead of Red Hawk being apart of his unrevealed Race

What if Luffy has a spiritual Haki bloom very similar to Zoro that gives himself a visual and physical interpretation of his Spirit and Will

What if his Next "Gear" or "Powerup" Is the awakening? What if Red Hawk is just a sneak peak?

I need someone to explain this in a detailed format

[wary fossil]

all those moves are just cool shounen moves, no special lore necessary besides direct character connections

haki blooms are more like when koby and luffy unleash haki at marineford or luffy's cocting born in battle

[weak arrow]

@marsh gull Keep the theories serious

[pure raven]

nah I feel like there's more to CoC and Spiritual Power than we know of cheif

no way oda would just add something in just because it's cool

[minor juniper]

Its not a weird thinking considering that rubber and gum are both treatments of the more natural component latex, so if we talk about logia properties, at least is something that is natual, maybe not a natural force of nature, but natural

[wind lance]

Soo are fujitora and ryokugyu originally part of wano?

[amber oar]

pretty sure Wano people wouldn't be oblivious to so strong people in their land. Specially because Issho is the scabbards' contemporary in terms of age

[pure raven]

what's after wano ? luffy yonko - > fights blackbeard - > laugh tale - > time travel ?

[upbeat mist]

shanks arc still, elbaf (probably same arc)

[foggy sand]

that was just a bad theory

[pure raven]

joy boy = time traveling luffy

[wind lance]

Luffy is actually joy boy from the past, he'll drown in the waters of elbaf and wake up with his past memories

[slim venture]

If one more manga turns into “future becomes the past” bullshit

I’m gonna rip Sogeking’s nose off

[vestal orbit]

please no time travel

[woven burrow]

What's left to cover post Wano: fallout of Reverie, Elbaf, getting the final Road Poneglyph, Shanks arc (Elbaf could cover all of these), fight with Blackbeard before Laugh Tale (possible BB flashback + Rocks connection), finding the One Piece, Joyboy void century flashback, final battle against Marines/Gorosei/Imu, and then the ending

What I think we won't get to: The significance of the moon/moons, the last island that log poses point to, and the real identity of the monsters in the Florian Triangle

[sinful wedge]

I think we won't go to the moon, but we will definitely get more about its relevance to the overall story

and Oda's not usually the type to leave loose threads unresolved

So if he advertised those florian traingle monsters as a "story saved for later", we will get more of them

[pure raven]

one piece planet has multiple moons ( https://i.redd.it/5r017av701s01.jpg )

shitty theory : celestial dragons are aliens and d people are natives lol

[foggy pelican]

This would be pretty interesting to see, and I was always interested in how Oda would advance the story around Luffys fruit ever since it was mentioned that Katakuri had a "special" paramecia type.

and then the mention during the who's who fight was just another confirmation for me.

[torpid grove]

just noticed that the professor has a lion sun on his back

and then a couple of episodes later we get thousand sunny

[long wind]

I was actually thinking about how at first katakuri's fruit was a logia but then they retconned it to a special paramecia, maybe to hint at smthing to come

[foggy pelican]

and then because it was Shanks who stole the fruit, did Shanks know it was special in some way? Why would he have gone after just a random Devil Fruit if he was so strong without one.

[pure raven]

you mean gomu gomu no mi ?

[foggy pelican]

Yeah and then both his and Doffys awakening let them turn surrounding material into mochi and string. So I am really interested in how that played into Luffy always being rubber

[queen arrow]

money

Devil Fruits are worth a lot

[foggy pelican]

Oh I guess that would make sense lol. Still I think Shanks would know if it were a special Devil Fruit. Idk maybe not

[queen arrow]

i still don't think the gomu gomu no mi is special in any way, devil fruits are valuable no matter what so it being transported by a cipher pol agent isn't that weird

[raven pike]

᲼᲼᲼᲼᲼᲼

[foggy pelican]

I mean yeah but its still true that Luffy is always rubber even when in contact with seastone or in water, like no other fruit is like that. So I think there is definitely something up, otherwise why would Oda not just make Katakuria a regular logia who is mochi, instead he made him a "special paramecia" whatever that is

Idk it seems like an insignificant thing to bring attention too if it didnt relate back to Luffy's df being different.

[queen arrow]

i'd argue that if it was something really important to the story it would have been right in the first draft of the story

the overall consensus is that Oda just changed from Logia to special paramecia because Logia=nature and Mochi isn't natural

[queen arrow]

we have little reason to believe that other paramecias that permanently change the composition of your body like Luffy's fruit wouldn't be act similar when submerged

[foggy pelican]

Isn't the only reason Luffy's fruit does this though because he is always rubber? Like if Katakrui was always mochi then it would make sense but he isnt. In fact the only time Luffy is not rubber is when he uses armament haki on himself.

Idk its just too werid not to be important to me but it might be nothing

[small pewter]

The One piece is the world....

[pure raven]

Shanks is a Celestial Dragon. We know Celestial Dragons can be exiled like Vivi family & Doffy. Roger could have found Shanks at God Valley since the Celestial Dragons were there

[pure raven]

Not possible. Shanks said he was from the West Blue

[royal agate]

He could be lying, if I were an infamous pirate why would I tell people I was a former Celestial Dragon?

[wise pier]

[midnight pendant]

which manga has time travel??

[tacit veldt]

And why couldnt God Valley be in West Blue?

[lone dew]

Yes I like this theory might explain how shanks is cool with gorosei

[tropic cape]

Luffy is always rubber, kata is always mochi, daz is always blades, doffy is always string, etc. all paramecias work the same in this way. kata doesn't activate mochi, he just activates the shape shifting in order to use his observation haki in tandem with his opponents thinking they missed him completely

[long wind]

..what? we see them activating their powers and turning into blades, mochi, string, etc

but luffy never turns into rubber, he's always rubber

[tropic cape]

yes but that's to show the effect. they're all confirmed to constantly be what their fruit is

[long wind]

source?

[tropic cape]

source to prove your claim? saying paramecias work differently than previously told is your burden of proof, but I can find sources for my claim real quick

[long wind]

doesn't make much sense to say they're always their element but also show them turning into said element and change their body to fit their needs like daz's drill attack

[tropic cape]

well their bodies are shaped like human bodies... so of course they'd change their bodies to fit a combat need

[long wind]

yea I worded that weird but like if they're also always that but they actively show them activating their power, why isn't it the same for luffy?

[tropic cape]

well I think rubber is just a different beast when it comes to combat. it's actually more useless than the others since you can't use it as flexibly, but you see Luffy turning into a balloon, twisting his arm up and launching it like a rocket, blowing himself up with his own air, etc. I think it's the same for Luffy, but it just looks like he's doing something different because he doesn't have to change the look of the rubber because it's still useful as long as he uses his body correctly.

also we see buggy not activating his power and getting sliced a few times. I'm pretty sure the other characters we're talking about would never get caught ~that~ off guard in a fight so it's hard to tell what's actually going on.

so we could treat the start of Luffy's attacks as the activation since Luffy only needs the shape of his body to fight

[long wind]

exactly, I can't imagine daz bones being legit made of blades or else he'd have to social distance himself from everyone n everything lmao

[tropic cape]

well he actually is. he just sharpens his blades when he attacks

[long wind]

but luffy is always rubber doe, when off guard his body still stretches

[long wind]

well shit

[tropic cape]

yeah I'd say when daz is off guard anything that would hit him would be like running into an unsharpened blade. it's just that rubbers more useful when you're not using it so it displays more properties

[long wind]

welp now I really can't tell what's so special about the gomu gomu no mi lmao

[tropic cape]

I think it's connected to the past somehow. I mean why else would Im have Luffy's poster right? I don't really see Luffy being ~that~ special until he beats Kaido, so why would Im give special attention to Luffy for beating a warlord which he's done before? it's gotta be that Im recognizes or was told what fruit Luffy has and now Im is targeting Luffy.

[long wind]

maybe they also already know luffy is joyboy / the key to unlocking the world's secrets

[exotic echo]

Well, he's been making huge waves in the series and is a D. That alone could be enough reason for Im to pick up on him- also, don't forget we've seen the Gorosei specifically react to Luffy's deeds in the past

It could also be in relation to his fruit, but there are other elements to be considered as well

[tropic cape]

no doubt, but what has Luffy done that is so unique to have the one who sits in the Empty Throne keep a poster of him over every other pirate? The Gorosei probably talk about plenty of current events as well as past ones, but Im has 3 posters and 2 of them seem to be directly connected to the past (specifically the ancient weapons pluton and Uranus). I do think Luffy has done some wildly notable things, but I don't think they're so notable that he's surpassed everyone on Im's priority list. I think it's a combination of what Luffy has done, definitely what his fruit is, and some striking similarity between him and joyboy whether it be his looks, actions, or his fruit.

[exotic echo]

Well, we can assume things like the Gorosei talking about plenty of current pirates, but we haven't been shown that. Luffy has made some pretty huge waves through the series and with him being the protagonist it's understandable that he's getting focus as compared to other pirates. That in conjunction with the D and his known relation to wildly famous pirates like Rayleigh who have visited Laugh Tale makes it understandable he'd be high priority. Also things like him basically being responsible for several warlords being out of commission

I still think the idea of his fruit being a big part of his attention is valid, but I'd just argue that his actions speak louder than potential threats the fruit could end up being if that makes sense. He's done a LOT of high profile shit, like declaring war on the WG back in enies lobby, breaking in and out of impel, being in marineford. He's directly involved in all the biggest WG blunders, so I'd personally say that's enough for him to be high priority to them.

[tropic cape]

well we've seen the Gorosei mention shanks and whitebeard meeting, big mom and kaido allying, jinbe leaving the warlords, they've mentioned Blackbeard multiple times and often with the same amount of worry that they mention Luffy in, etc. you'd think Blackbeard would have the same type of priority that Luffy does to Im, but he doesn't. I think what creates the unique priority that Luffy has over other pirates including blackbeard is his fruit and some sort of striking likeness to joyboy. honestly it also could just be the fact that Luffy has actively protected vivi and shirahoshi, but I'd think it'd be a bit more complicated than that.

[exotic echo]

Well, blackbeard's bounty was among the ones in the room with Im. Also should mention he was part of the warlords for some time, so they may have felt differently about him pre TS.

I don't disagree that there could be more to Luffy that makes them view him as threatening but I'd also just say that he really has done some insane shit that has made huge waves against them.

[tropic cape]

yeah I agree with this. I think Luffy's high profile actions is what created the attention in the first place, but I think Im must've discovered more about him or decided it was imperative to get rid of him for some other reason besides his past actions. I mean currently Blackbeard is in a much better position to combat the WG than Luffy is

[tropic cape]

hmm you're right. maybe I've placed too much weight on the fact that Im picked up Luffy's bounty

[exotic echo]

Yeah. It's definitely still something to consider though, considering recent events. It'd be unlike Oda imo to reveal something about his fruit like that and have it be a one-off thing that isn't relevant later... but the way it is relevant can be any number of different things. Could just be relevant in that it comes up during a shanks flashback or something like that, rather than the fruit being one of the most desired ones in the world or something for example. Either works but Who's Who bringing it up could be made significant later in a lot of different ways

[tropic cape]

yeah I'm sure I'm just increasing the weight of who's who talking about it because of recency bias so it seems like it's a huge part of the story, but there are plenty of signs like Kaido referencing Joyboy when Luffy was fighting him to point out different aspects of Luffy that would force authorities to pay special attention to him

so his actions are probably the main reason why he's getting attention

[latent zodiac]

Do you think elbaf is gonna get a whole villain arc thing or just tie up lose ends before the war?

[exotic echo]

I see it as a "Zou" type arc as things stand currently

[tropic cape]

i feel like we only have time for one more major arc so I agree that elbaf seems more like a zou type arc

[exotic echo]

SHs arrive, meet up with some old giant friends, satisfy Usopp stuff, do some lore dump, they make more friends because of how they handled Big Mom.

[tropic cape]

if we're taking the "5 years" timeline into account

[exotic echo]

Probably more than what I said but that stuff would basically be the bare minimum that'd be included according to what we know right now

[latent zodiac]

I do have high hopes for Elbaf tho

foresty lookin high fantasy asgard type lookin place hopefully

[exotic echo]

My current theory is that they end up travelling up that gigantic tree there and a big lore dump happens about Uranus.

[tiny ocean]

About there.

How did big mom get carmels df powers? Prolly blackbeard used the same method too

I bet something like she ate her heart

[tropic cape]

well BM ate the entirety of Carmel so there's no way to know how exactly BM got the powers, but what we do know is that it was BMs first devil fruit.

The main difference between the BM event and the BB event is that BB was getting his second devil fruit so one would assume the methods are somehow different. Although it could be possible that eating the heart or something is necessary to transfer devil fruits directly, but the darkness fruit (or BBs odd physiology) is what's necessary to hold more than one fruit

[ivory nexus]

Some people says bb ate wb's heart

[tropic cape]

that's honestly what I think too. unless somehow the darkness fruit has the ability to suck the devil fruit from someone's soul or some wild power

[tiny ocean]

I think BBs "hack" has nothing to do with the darkness df. They mention his odd body too much

[tropic cape]

I'm like 65/35 on the heart/darkness sucking theory ratio lol

[tropic cape]

I never said his physiology was related to the darkness fruit. I just happened to mention them near each other

[tiny ocean]

I c

I bet its something like he has multiple hearts and the df is bound to it.

[ivory nexus]

It could be both as we know Yami Yami nomi can negate the effects of df so i guess he is pin pointing the powers of wb's df in his one hand only

[tropic cape]

okay so what if it is the darkness DF and you can actually target the devil fruit itself right after the body of the devil fruit user dies. like how we saw the method of devil fruits transferring on punk hazard but instead of it leaping to another fruit BB catches it mid transfer with the darkness fruit and steals it.

and put the cloak over whitebeard's body so he could have full control of the area so the DF wouldn't escape

[ivory nexus]

Well oda better explain this shit or we will be forever making our head canon on this (kinda agree on this idea thoug)

[tropic cape]

can't wait to have my mind blown as oda connects all of these crazy dots lmao

[bold quarry]

Pretty sure black beard was just blowing whitebeard

[ivory nexus]

😂😂

[bold quarry]

Jokes aside how tf did he get it tho

If oda doesn't show us in the future im gonna fr start to believe tha he was blowing him

[ivory nexus]

Be patient bro

[tropic cape]

I wonder if oda reveals it when BB takes a third fruit or if they'll just reveal it through conversation. I hope it's with the (alleged) 3rd DF

[bold quarry]

Is it confirmed that if he takes a df out of one user the user dies or the user has to be already dead to steal it from him?

[tropic cape]

I'm pretty sure WB died when BBs crew shot him a ton of times so I don't think anyone's sure. I'd assume a person would die if they get their DF stolen though.

[bold quarry]

Cause one day i thought what if BB stole the gomu gomu no mi and luffy had to defeat BB with haki only

But ion think thats gonna happen

[ivory nexus]

Okey that's aside
But can anyone explain what is the need of revolutionary army in story at this point because they're irrevlivent weather we accept it or not

[tropic cape]

I think BB is definitely following a logia, para, zoan DF trio if anything so I'd doubt he'd take away Luffy's DF. also I think Luffy having a DF is actually advantageous for BB

[tropic cape]

in order for civilians to oppose the WG they need a legitimate group to stand behind. unfortunately nobody trusts pirates

also no pirates have the goal of opposing the WG in order to free countless people so the RA is there to embody that goal specifically

[ivory nexus]

I bet some pirates have same objective

[tropic cape]

sure but they're not influential enough to influence civilians to join their cause

[ivory nexus]

I mean I waited for so long to see this

[vast nacelle]

who is joyboy

[ivory nexus]

Joyboy could be anyone

[vast nacelle]

m-m-me? no im kidding

[bold quarry]

[pure raven]

Joyboy is either of these three:

1. A female (like Yamato's situation) giant/non-giant whom IMU once loved.
2. The Previous giant/half-giant Ruler of Marijejois (thus the Giant Strawhat) whom is dear to IMU but ended up being betrayed.
3. A non-giant who is very huge that had some authoritian control at Mariejois whom is closely related to IMU.

The question is, which of these three would most likely be the case?

[vast nacelle]

i think neither

[bold quarry]

If joyboy was a female kaido wouldn't have said to luffy you couldnt be joyboy either

[vast nacelle]

i think its some big pirate wit a straw hat who found some good treasure and is related to the big shots

[pure raven]

That is the third option

[vast nacelle]

nvm i didnt read it properly

[pure raven]

No worries man

[vast nacelle]

but id say it'd be a mix of 3 and 2

im only up to zou so yea

[pure raven]

Ah I see. Its unfortunate that this server includes the latest manga chapters. :/

[vast nacelle]

i dont mind

[pure raven]

Then I guess its a good thing! Zou is pretty awesome. The introduction of minks is hella insane!

[vast nacelle]

what if joy boy is the will of d

"Joy Boy" is the name of a single person or a title that can be inherited by others. i saw this on the wiki so idk im just throwing some guesses out there

[pure raven]

I do have something for you to consider:

[vast nacelle]

Later, Im cuts apart both Luffy and Blackbeard's posters as well as stabs Shirahoshi's picture with a dagger i also saw this in the wiki and i think it might relate to something idk

and im held vivis poster in hand

vivis family are the only royal ppl who didnt leave their kingdom

i dont know what im talking about

oh ye they wanted to enslave shirahoshi before too

[pure raven]

Haha no worries man. We're here to hear each other out anyways. But yea its definitely a mystery with Vivi.

[vast nacelle]

oh ok

[pure raven]

I would say it's either of these three as to Vivi's possible kidnap:

1. To gain political advantage
2. Scientific agenda
3. Bloodline

[vast nacelle]

id say 3

she is apart of a royal family so maybe

[tropic cape]

I feel like the WG wants alabastas royal family because they know something about an ancient weapon

[vast nacelle]

they wanted to enslave shirahoshi bc she is one
are they trying to collect every ancient weapon to bring something together? or maybe for a war

[pure raven]

I used to think that until I realized if it was ancient weapon related, IM would have teared Vivi's poster as well, the same way he did to Shirahoshi (poseidon).

[tropic cape]

well shirahoshi herself is an ancient weapon and I'm pretty sure Im knows that

[vast nacelle]

maybe its vivis family

[tropic cape]

Im is probably pissed that Poseidon has finally come to fruition again and it's not in the control of the WG

[pure raven]

I think he teared shirahoshi because he suspect about the ancient weapon being her (thus you see the CP0s on fishman Island).

[vast nacelle]

its always the cp0 trying to capture or get someone or something

[pure raven]

Yea I can see that too

[tropic cape]

well if we're assuming Im knows history then I'm sure Im realizes the similarities between the past Poseidon and the current Shirahoshi

[vast nacelle]

why is imu trying to collect important stuff like shirahoshi and robin

[pure raven]

They're definitely the best method of infiltrating the Island without much disturbance.

[pure raven]

I'm sure he does!

[vast nacelle]

he lived throughout the void century so yeeees