manga-theories

[woven burrow]

Nah see because in Roger's time, he found one poneglyph on Zou, one on FMI, one in Wano, and stole one from BM

Now the SH found one on Zou, stole one from BM, and will find one on Wano

The missing link is the one that was originally on FMI, and was likely either taken by WB or Shanks (I'm leaning more towards Pops)

[wary fossil]

WB could've taken it and Shanks has it now

[stone onyx]

1027. 1 page - roofpiece. 4 pages - Sanji and Zoro. 2 pages for other strawhats. Cypher pol may show up. It's a take anything you want buffet for them now. BM fight. Nah. Something new or flashbacks. And a lot of momo learning to fly better.

Can anybody show up before Kaido is defeated. I doubt it. Seriously. No way to enter Wano unnoticed without teleportation or flying. Or. Time travel. My bets are: WG or Sword members, supernovas, Shanks, revolution army, Whitebeard pirates or any of ex Shichibukai will show up later.

[wary fossil]

not unnoticed but king is busy so harder for them to play keepaway

[pure raven]

I have a theory about haki users that are extremely strong or proficient can manipulate weather. https://youtu.be/yYQXHCz1GQ0 or potent atleast the weather changed with shanks mood here.

Ace as well but ace probably had good potential. Shanks stated his haki was like a burning fire or warm. When ace was in drum island it stopped snowing for the whole time he was there as well.

Though ace wasn’t proficient at haki he had great potential and I also feel like loguetown dragon as well could manipulate weather.

[lone hedge]

Fatmeatgod#4590 was banned!

[junior cape]

Oh shit

[faint aspen]

do guys think shiki will return after wano??

[modest skiff]

Shiki said he had some special shit to do in 20 years, which sure does fit well with the Wano timeline, so I am hoping so

[pure raven]

damn what happened

[polar urchin]

yeah, maybe even during wano

[proud tree]

Cesar developed poison gas weapons for the WG ... will the WG use these weapons ever?

And would these poison Gas weapons affect Luffy or is his resistance to poison getting relevant again through that.

At least CP0 Lucci watched the shino kuni weapons presentation at Punk Hazard (chapter 676).

[junior cape]

Guy got banned

[frozen prairie]

I think it's unlikely, because I don't think Oda has any real narrative intent for him (if he did, he wouldn't have been used as a villain for Strong World, otherwise there's a lot of weird and meta confusion surrounding what is and isn't cannon, what character traits (if any) he'd end up retaining between his film debut and manga debut, etc. Better to leave him as a non-active participant in the current storyline even just for cleanliness's sake, and I struggle to think what he'd add to the narrative in all honesty beyond being just "another strong guy from a long time ago" which is already accomplished by several characters literally on screen now to represent the passing of the torch.

[vestal orbit]

strong world is completely noncanon but i agree overall

[left field]

WW failed to secure the gomu gomu no mi, leading his Cipher Pol position to getting taken away. It's safe to assume the WG is aware that Shanks is the one who stole it. So if the WG was objectively trying to get the gomu gomu no mi and Shanks prevented that goal from happening, then why the fuck is Shanks allowed to causually talk to the gorosei

it almost feels as if they let Shanks take it on purpose

[modest skiff]

I think the Gorosei know that Shanks knows things they don't and he perhaps has capabilities the WG does not. My theory is that Shanks feeds them bits of info just enough to stay on their "neutral"side. I think he's essentially a triple agent because he is trying to buy time for either himself or Luffy to get sufficiently strong to challenge the Gorosei

[left field]

the gomu gomu no mi better not be a "special fruit"

[modest skiff]

If the WG specifically kept it safe, I think that is a foregone conclusion that it is special or unique in some way. Or the awakening or something does something very important

[left field]

perhaps its awakened ability is needed in order to so something very important yeah

well there is one thing special about it

[modest skiff]

Yeah I have a few theories about that. One of my theories is that the ability to stretch something out is 100% necessary to open/unlock/pass through something. I think if the gomu awakening lets the user make other things stretchable, perhaps there is a door/portal/chest that can only be opened when it is bigger. So lets say there is something made out of the same material as the glyphs, and it allows you to go somewhere or it has something inside of it. Unless you stretch it out, you can't unlock it or you can't go inside of it or something. So you would need the gomu in order to be able to make it useable. If there is a door that is the size of a grain of sand, it is useless unless you make that door wider, for example

I have a few theories regarding Marie Jois and most of them involve some kind of capability that the AK have which the CDs do not have. When Doffy spoke of the secret of Marie Jois, I think the secret was that the CDs are bluffing. I think the WG thinks the CDs have some incredible weapon or capability and they actually can't use it. Perhaps the Gomu allows them to use it. I have other theories regarding the secret of Marie Jois, but one of them is that awakening Gomu is necessary.

[silk sandal]

This is mine I think if it is awaken it will allowed Luffy to use all of his gear without using much haki and he will unlock gear 5 when he awaken his fruit

[left field]

I really like Oda's parallel with Enel vs Luffy and the WG trying to stop Luffy tho, cause Enel, the self-proclaimed god with OVERPOWERED lightning abilities, couldn't lay a finger on Luffy. And the government has failed to stop Luffy numerous times, whether that be in Enies Lobby, Marineford, etc. Perhaps the WG attempting to secure the gomu gomu no mi is a parallel to both of these things?

[modest skiff]

So you're saying the gomu would be the only thing immune to (insert capability or weapon or something here) of the CDs?

[left field]

it's a bit of a stretch to conclude but it is possible

[modest skiff]

yeah, i could see that perhaps being true

[left field]

when u talk about the idea of the gomu gomu no mi "stretching open something", are u saying its awakening is gonna be something essential for finding one piece?

[vestal orbit]

pls no

[fading sedge]

Do not go on tiktok

[left field]

I dont use tik tok

[fading sedge]

Got the entire thing spoiled smh so sad

[left field]

and no I don't think the gomu gomu no mi should be essential for finding OP

its immunity to lightning is really special in itself though

[vestal orbit]

still hoping it's just vegapunk's first successful fruit instead of something vital to the plot

[left field]

that would be cool

the gomu gomu no mi being some sort of "special fruit with the power to uNcOVeR thE WoRldS sEcReTs" sounds stupid

[vestal orbit]

yea

the story's emphasis on smiles and luffy saying his fruit made him happier since he can smile wider or whatever isn't exactly getting my hopes up though

makes sense for sure but still

[left field]

Wait. When Mihawk saw that the warlords system got shut down, he got excited over the idea of being chased. The thing is, Mihawk doesn't have a bounty. He also doesn't even have a crew. WHAT. THE. HELL. IS. THIS. MAN.

not to mention he has the Imu-sama eyes

[queen arrow]

who's to say he doesn't have a bounty

[silk sandal]

His the son of the vice captain of the Rodger pirates

[cobalt igloo]

I love your big juicy brain this is like the third time I’ve come back to this theory

[dusky acorn]

I didn't know that theory had that much of an effect on others, thanks a lot! I still wish I could have been a bit more specific on the exact nature of Kid's nobility, but I prefer staying safe and piecing everything together more generally, to remain accurate.

A noble/slave dynamic who then eventually go on to become best friends would be so good for Kid/Killer's characters, I don't think such a story between those two social classes has ever been represented like that in OP before. It'd be a very emotional and unique backstory. The main question is just how does Oda tie this into the overarching plot, since ideally it should.

[modest skiff]

Always a pleasure to read your theories. Looking forward to the next time you decide to make one 🙂

[hollow grotto]

Agreed These theories you provide are always pretty solid and leave a lot of room for discussion, and I'm onboard to believe all of them to have atleast some merit, if not be completely true.

[junior cape]

I dont think Kuma is truly "dead", as in consciousness wiped. I think Vegapunk saved a backup somewhere, and we'll see him come back in a new body later on. Vegapunk is the kind of mad scientist who would do something like that after all.

[junior cape]

This would also explain why Kuma keeps showing up after being turned into a pacifista, and as a plot point. Oda doesnt bring back characters like this unless they will eventually get relevance again.

[modest skiff]

I agree with this. Here’s my thoughts #manga-theories message

[wide lagoon]

Kuma became slave, yes not ded ig

[pearl wagon]

So what major mysteries are left unsolved

Things about xebec
Things about imu
The void century
The ancient weapons
The will of D
And what is one piece

That sums up most of it

[cerulean coyote]

Who is vegapunk and devil fruit processes

[severe edge]

shanks relation with the elders

[rotund locust]

The giant straw hat

[severe edge]

what is laugh tale as well

[rich mortar]

why does the world government forgive garp even when he insults celestial dragons

what did garp do why is a d on the marine

[woven burrow]

I don't think he does it around anyone who cares

Only the Admirals are under the direct command of the CDs

[rich mortar]

no sengoku even said it

"he openly up disrespects celestial dragons and gets forgiven"

[woven burrow]

Sengoku is another guy that knows more than he lets on

I feel like the only admiral who would actually take action is Sakazuki

[rich mortar]

did anyone see the theory about roger garp and xebec being friends when they were kids? and that's why every single one of them took a route to take down celestial dragons

and that's why roger n garp teamed up on xebec, i know its a weird theory but interesting one 🤣

[woven burrow]

Kinda interesting I guess

Uh....I think you're in the wrong channel bud

[rich mortar]

1028 spoilers?

[torn mountain]

No fuck me

[rich mortar]

bruh if that was a spoiler 😂 ???

[woven burrow]

Wow

[torn mountain]

Forget it

Forget it i.said

[woven burrow]

It's not shocking, still disappointing. Don't worry I won't narc on you though

[severe edge]

thankfully didn't read it lmao

[ancient vault]

just act like ir wasnt there dont talj abour it @torn mountain

[torn mountain]

About what

[rich mortar]

it isn't even spoiler pretty sure everyone predicted that

[severe edge]

no idea what to expect lmao

[torn mountain]

Anyway
In all those powerups we are getting
Nami, Sanjis suit, Enma etc.
What will Brook and Ussop get?

[high blaze]

i feel like if elbaf is the next arc usopp wont get a powerup in wano

infact i think he will feel useless by the end of this arc

mainly cuz he felt as though he didnt do much and that elbaf will be his redemption arc

[rich mortar]

did u see how everyone was falling unconscious when he was moving?

[severe edge]

the problem is oda already set up sabo's abduction before wano

[rich mortar]

he's op 😎

[severe edge]

and from what we know from the last time luffy isn't gonna ignore the marines kidnapping his brother this time around

[high blaze]

yea

[dense wing]

Luffy isn’t going backwards for Sabo

He’ll be reassured that Sabo is fine most likely, I doubt we circle back in the series until Final War, which is after Laughtale

[amber oar]

I am on the minority that believes the final war comes before Laugh Tale
The main reason people expect it to be after Laugh Tale is because people think Luffy will learn something and decide to act afterwards. But Luffy has always been the kind of guy that cares about what he's seeing now and here, not someone to deliberately follow a prophecy or mission after learning a piece of history. Emphasis on deliberately because Luffy basically stumbles into the right people and events to fulfill the prophecies, it's not like he's following a plan, plus Luffy is terrible at following plans!

Either way forces are moving already and the power balance will shift, specially after Kaido falls. Unless the SHs find the last poneglyph very quickly and reach Laugh Tale very quickly, I don't see them completing the course before the war blows up. Given how events are scalating I genuinely believe we're about a year from the start of the war, maybe a little more or a little less, and you guys see Luffy finding Laugh Tale in 2022? Nah, I can even imagine OP ending with Luffy reaching Laugh Tale and throwing the greatest feast on the spot.

An alternative route I've seen somewhere (in a fake EoS leak, ha!) is that Teach beats Luffy to it and triggers the major events himself, with Luffy taking the Pirate King title from him. But maybe that would make the feat less hype.

[weak arrow]

How do you feel whitebeard’s speech plays into it then?

That’s pretty much the entire reason everyone thinks laugh tale -> final war

[amber oar]

I'm not sure, honestly.
But the events are already building up and I can't quite fit the idea of the SHs quietly collecting the poneglyph and reaching Laugh Tale as the war is already waging.

and yeah WB's speech itself buries the Teach path

[thick sky]

Perhaps, the thing that people realize once they get One Piece, the main message of it, what they get when they reach Laugh tale, Luffy already got that through the experience in his journey

[amber oar]

Well, one thing is the military power and another the political influence.
Despite all the damage CDs have caused, there are just too many people who believe in the system. Even a large scale defeat for the Navy wouldn't stop that. So maybe it's still needed that big reveal to finally end the WG

[thick sky]

So One Piece would be like a Major reveal to the entire world to aware them for one like stand against the corrupted system or smth?

[weak arrow]

The world government war does not have to be short. As we all know, wars can be very long, so the strawhats do not have to go help resolve it instantly

I see it as the Revos won’t have enough allied countries to help take down the system until laughtale info reveal to the public, thus shifting the tides more in their favor for allowing victory against the WG

[amber oar]

So you see the WG just ignoring them as they complete the course?

[weak arrow]

Well fujitora is still tasked with capturing Luffy

Also the WG would only know Luffy has 1 poneglyph, if they assume he got Kaido’s. Not the 3 that he is going to have

[sand sail]

They wouldn't assume he's got Kaido's, to be fair they may not even know he has one or how they're used. But, I'm not sure if an 800 year old coup reveal is going to be enough to justify anyone turning against the government

[sand sail]

^ This is mostly the reason why, it has been 800 years of this stuff, even if it started on a lie it's the thing that defines legitimate now

[amber oar]

Depends. If it's a revelation of how the world used to be before the WG, and enough people decide they want to live in a world like this, it could turn the tides.

Maybe the One Piece contains the tales of Joyboy's journey, describing the world the way it used to be. That way it can be simultaneously a funny story (on Roger's words), and a revealing document.

[sand sail]

Yeh, that's honestly probably what One Piece will end up being

The Greatest Story Ever Told

And maybe surrounded in gold or something just to make it enticing to others too, but yeh. If it's an enticing enough story, that could justify it

[cobalt igloo]

Yeah I don’t want to sound like a broken record but it’s really an extraordinary theory. I’ve pretty much accepted it as headcanon, it fits so well with every single Kid/Killer interaction we’ve seen. You’ve set a high expectation for Kid’s backstory now

I do wonder how it plays into Kid’s relationship with Shanks- whether shanks is some sort of noble/royalty like others suggest- and with the underworld.

[modest skiff]

In order for this to happen, there would also need to be some kind of mechanism for mass-broadcast to show the whole world these revelations. I had a similar thought at one point but I couldn't think of a good way to tell everyone about this in a way that everyone believes it. I still think a story of sorts is a part of what is at Laugh Tale, but I am not yet convinced there is some kind of "Here's what REALLY happened, now everyone will revolt against the CDs". One of the main thing is that, from Doffy's story, we are shown everyone already hates the CDs. So no one actually wants to live under the CDs, they see it as necessary. I think it is clear that they rule with an iron fist. They aren't well regarded.

One idea that I have somewhat thought of is something similar to Belo Betty's pump fruit. If the whole world hates the CDs but they are too scared to fight them, maybe something that inspires the world would be helpful to actually get people to pick up an axe and go for an actual revolution. If there is some sort of mass broadcast system at Laugh Tale, you could say the story of the void century being broadcasted in combination with Belo Betty could do the trick. It still just doesn't feel solid enough and I think there is something much more to it. I'm not satisfied with that theory quite yet.

[dense wing]

When Luffy finds the One Piece, the world will be focused on him as the new Pirate King

I predict the SH’s will hear the story of Joyboy on Laughtale and come to a different conclusion Roger did
They’ll be appalled/horrified at what the WG did in the Void Century

And even Luffy will be raring to face and dethrone the CDs and Imu. Especially Imu, as I believe Joyboy will paint them as an antagonist that Luffy will be motivated to defeat

With that, the SH’s next step can easily be teaming up with the Revos and Dragon, coming up with a plan

Most likely then and there, Dragon will spread word and propaganda to countries to help fight to take down the WG, with the PK and his allies on their side

Ofc after Luffy becomes PK the WG will want his head, and to quell any rebellion that may come out of Laughtale’s story being told

But by then it’s too late, and then it’ll be all out war

I fully expect Imu’s new goal would be to destroy Luffy and allies, and wipe this part of history similar to the Void Century

And make sure everyone forgets what transpired, and keep the CDs in power

Of course that won’t happen, Imu will lose to Luffy

[rugged cove]

this sounds intresting huh

[sand ravine]

yes

[supple anchor]

Theres also the whole prophecy thing and joyboy to consider. Roger seemed to believe that he was 20 years too early to find the One Piece and maybe thats why he didn't spread information about it, but if he had said anything im sure it would have spread to the masses. Finding the One Piece is gonna be the culmination of something that was set in motion 800 years ago and Luffy isnt very good at keeping secrets

[dense wing]

Yeah I imagine the info will start spreading

Prob due to the Revos

[modest skiff]

Yeah the fact that the WG/CDs seem 100% sure they are boned once someone finds the one piece makes me think the issue is spreading info isn’t actually a big deal. Or it has nothing to do with spreading info

[supple anchor]

mhmm its gotta be something thats outside of any of our imagination, something that changes the viewpoint on the entire world

[dense wing]

Yeah the info will spread naturally

Doubt Laughtale has some super secret broadcast system

It’s just a matter of once it’s known knowledge, it will spread

Obviously Roger and crew didn’t spread it because it wasn’t time

[dense wing]

I mean it’s not hard to convert citizens and nations to “CDs are corrupt and bad”

It’s just a matter of proving how far back this corruption goes and showing them that we can fight back

Luffy being PK/Joyboy and also maybe using the Ancient Weapons

D clan will play a role too

The biggest mystery of the Laughtale story is what exactly did the WG do

Just genocide the Ancient Kingdom? Or is there more to it

That will be interesting to hear about

[supple anchor]

thats true in theory but if the stories of slavery, murder, as well as the huge tributes that leave some countries in poverty havent done it, its gonna take something big to really get the ball rolling from distaste to open rebellion. Like its one thing to disagree with your government, its a whole nother thing to go to war against it

Like i think that the US has done some pretty terrible stuff historically (and still does) but to try to overthrow the government is gonna take something really big

[queen arrow]

what i think will happen is that the big reveal will crumble the very core of the world government concept, something related to Im's existence undermining the major selling point for the world government which is that no single person rules all the world, which will probably make all the Kings back out and be done with it

[modest skiff]

This makes the theory make more sense. I still don't buy what @dense wing was saying where info spreading naturally is sufficient. Word of mouth for something so profound just doesn't seem sufficient, especially when many people will be skeptical. Lots of sociology at play. And as @supple anchor pointed out, everyone already loathes the CDs. Changing the minds of every day citizens isn't the goal. But if you are right that the information would destroy the loyalty of the 50 WG nations to the CDs, it makes more sense that it would be easier for them to receive/interpret credible information rather than needing everyone in the world to.

The problem I have with this perspective is that I remain convinced the CDs/Gorosei have some sort of forceful authority over the Levely. I have been assuming for a long time that the Levely is kind of fake and the people within it know it. I think they are under the impression they ultimately are not in charge and that the CDs still have power over them. There have been subtle and also not so subtle hints of this, but I won't say I know it to be definitely true.

That being said, Nefertari seemed really passionate about figuring out what happened during the void century. That passion seemed fueled by a well founded suspicion that his ancestors did some unsavory things.

I have suspected Imu was able to deceive 1 or more of the 20 original Levely nations and that this deception was crucial to having them betray the AK. My spitball theory is that Imu convinced world leaders The AK was dangerous. I think Imu managed to frame the AK regarding some sort of horrible tragedy. Like Imu killed a queen or something and was able to blame the AK king or something like that. So I definitely think deception played a role in the formation of the original WG, but nothing much beyond that. I think the Nefertari were among those deceived because they have symbolism of "8" similar to other nations. I think the Nefertari were crucial parts of betraying the AK so that Imu could become the ruler. I think the Nefertari family eventually figured out they were deceived, but it was too late, so they tried to hide the shame from their children.

[frank tundra]

I think the nefatari were not on the WG side, since they had the ancient weapon and a ponegolyph stored in thier country since ages, so that means they allowed the AK to place it there

and I think the history is going to repeat with Vivi, that's why Imu had her picture along with Luffy and BM

[modest skiff]

I think it’s a complicated relationship. I think Alabasta was allied with AK, then Alabasta betrayed AK, then Alabasta figured out AK was framed and so they refused to join the CDs in Marie Jois. I think they felt a lot of shame for what they did and that’s why they never joined fully

[pseudo citrus]

Is there any explanation for why Kaido actually wanted the Okuchi-No-Makami fruit to begin with? What difference does it make whether the person he installs as shogun has such a power?

[ripe nebula]

You mean Yamato's fruit right?

[pseudo citrus]

yes

[bitter kraken]

It could be simply symbolic, since it’s the guardian deity of wano kaido coulda thought that the people of wano since they’re closed off from the world and don’t know much about fruits would think it’s their legit guardian and follow that persons wishes or commands. Making them fully obedient, but like idk why kaido would even need that since the peeps of wano cower before him already

[modest skiff]

I think it is somehow related to Kaido wanting the fruit he has. I am convinced the dragon that Ryuma defeated was the previous user of Kaido's fruit. I think Kaido is settling that score. Perhaps whoever had Yamato's fruit was an ally of the former dragon fruit user

[pseudo citrus]

Exactly, moreover he wants to put everyone in the flower capital to work, so I don't think what they want would matter to him.

[pure raven]

https://youtu.be/XS9OzvR_HfI

this video had some cool stuff about vegapunk being an alien, but talks about aliens in one piece in general

[steep vigil]

King's face has a celestial dragon slave mark, that's why he gets angry with zoro because the celestial dragons know Lunarians have more to do with them than most people

[modest skiff]

What does Zoro have to do with Lunarian/CDs? Hoping this isn’t you referring to spoilers because they are not allowed outside of the spoiler channels

[steep vigil]

zoro basically cuts a small chunk of king's mask and king has just got increasingly more angry throughout chapters

[dense wing]

We know he only has the fruit cuz BM gave it to him to save his life

He didn’t specifically hunt for the Azure Seiryu

[modest skiff]

It wasn’t to save his life. Had this discussion recently and the panels didn’t indicate it was to save his life

Don’t remember which chapter it was though

I think the phrase was “you owe me for life” rather than “you owe me your life”

[peak steppe]

BM?

[queen arrow]

both in chapters 907 and 999 Big Mom says it's a lifelong debt/he owes her for life, but she also specifically mentions it happened when the Rocks pirates fell in to ruin so i think it's fair to think that it means she saved his life with it

[peak steppe]

ohh big mom

[modest skiff]

Ehhh I don't think it being when the rocks pirates fell into ruin implies it was to save his life. Or at least not strongly enough to assume that

[pure raven]

Katakuri is Kaido's son or Yamato is BM's daughter XD
They even celebrated anniversary iirc

[storm junco]

kata and his brothers were born when kaido was like 11, and big mom wouldve been pregnant with pumpkin head and his brothers when yammy was born

[queen arrow]

no

[rich mortar]

bm is 29 and yamato is 28

[rich mortar]

wasnt it that she gave him a devil fruit?

[lucid robin]

I just camw here and saw BM and i instantly thought black maria and i was so confused lol

[rich mortar]

i think he was talking about black maria

[lucid robin]

Now im even more confused

[native flower]

i think they were referring to big mom, the katakuri parallel

[celest mica]

i think big mom is well over 30s

[rich mortar]

Black maria

[junior cape]

Big mom is 68 as of the Wano Arc

With 80+ kids

[vestal orbit]

would be down w/ it if oda sprinkles in more foreshadowing instead of just having imu randomly reveal themselves to be an alien

[rich mortar]

fishman talking

people with long arm, legs, people that have fire on their body as king, i dont think alien would make a difference

[severe edge]

as long as oda doesn't make the final villain be a army of aliens I think it'll be alright

just imu being an alien is fine imo

[rich mortar]

or maybe she's a D that wants to annihilate D family

.. theory

[severe edge]

ehhh that role is sort of taken up by BB imo he's like the evil D so I doubt oda would make imu like that

[tacit veldt]

I think Yamato is Kaido's clone, born in Punk Hazard. He took her in as his child, she might not know this, but i think this makes the way he treated her through the years, and the savage beating he gave her on the rooftop, much clearer: she is, quite literally, a piece of him. Any sign of weakness or empathy she manifests, it's as if Kaido sees a piece of himself not being the strongest anymore, and that's the only way he knows to survive in the world.

[proud tree]

how can 2 clones have different genders?

Or you believe Yamato is Kaidos son / he is male?

[rich mortar]

bro yamato believe that shes oden

not that shes a dude 🤨 ..... and it was confirmed that its a she

[tacit veldt]

The same way a cloned fruit from an Azure dragon gets a pink dragon. It was an experiment, there are genetical imprecisions. Cloning Is a thing in One Piece, and if Judge can do it, you bet Vegapunk was involved in the research somehow, and so was Punk Hazard. As far as we know, the ancient Giants there could also be failed experiments of clonation in a way.

Yamato is a girl btw.

[boreal gate]

It's more about being "Oden" in the form of soul sense and not gender

[junior cape]

Oden is a mindset more than a person.

#OdenGrindset

[boreal gate]

For example Buddha per se, or God, etc

[junior cape]

So yamato claiming shes Oden is perfectly ok, as long as she puts in the work to achieve it

[boreal gate]

An ideal

[junior cape]

Less shoehorned than SOME backstories and motivations

[boreal gate]

"Existing as an archetype", that's "Oden"

[tacit veldt]

I Guess you guys will never stop arguing about Yamato's gender , huh?
Anyway, it's quite clear in japanese that Yamato uses the word "Oden" as an adjective, meaning selfless, brave and adventurous. She even says to Luffy that he's "more oden" than her

[boreal gate]

Makes sense

[proud tree]

Even Judge can control the gender of his clone soldiers. I bet Vegapunk can do this too...

[tacit veldt]

Yeah youre right! There were female clones in the Germa

[rich mortar]

she will do what oden couldn't do

opening up wano.

[pure raven]

what if shanks stole gomu gomu cuz it's similar to yami yami no mi and he scared of previous dark fruit user and tried to hide it

[rough kernel]

Disagree.

[pine delta]

thats a fun theory. cant argue for/against it much because you've said all the points and oda is a madman. vegapunk is such a mystery

[empty nebula]

Next arc probably would be elbaf based on norse myth. And since usopps lie become true.... Would usopp lift mjolnir? Like only a great warrior can lift it. It would be a good way for usopp to realize his dream. (Sh achieveing dream isnt the end of their journey... )

Since usopp had fake heavy hammers

[pine delta]

makes a lot of sense. i get the feeling elbaf is gonna be another wano level arc (in terms of oda being creative!! not anywhere as long as wano in terms of length) with how much oda loves vikings

[split slate]

Well Zoro and Sanji had their post-time skip arcs. In a sense Jimbe had his too. So the ones due for a new arc are Nami, Usopp, Robin, Chopper, Franky and Brook

Maybe Chopper won't even get an arc? sad

[empty nebula]

Even though his primary weapon of choice is a slingshot..
Other way for usopp to prove he is brave warrior of sea was him facing of big mom's power.. and her failing to steal his soul... But honestly his bravery is facing his fears not absence of fears and so far we have only seen big moms power failing in absence of fear cases

[inland kiln]

I think Elbaf is going to be the next island and Usopp is getting a buff

[pine delta]

franky - vegapunk (even if not directly present, just thematiccally)
Usopp - def elbaf
nami/robin/chopper - endgame save the world map the world learn the world
brook - finish the round trip

@inland kiln i think so too 100%. mjolnir added to his arsenal as well.

[inland kiln]

Imagine he gets a god rifle or a Glock that would be dope

[pine delta]

davy black fight for the final red ponyglyph with shanks, yasopp/usopp/brave warrior of the sea

[empty nebula]

For chopper i feel the mushroom he fed hireluk was actual magical cure but it was also poisonous.. and luffy is kinda immune to poison now... So chopper can cure some crew mates.. i dont think chopper has any demons to fight like sanji had with his lineage and robin with her past in enies lobby

[pine delta]

@inland kiln at first i was dissapointed usopp can never compete with a real gun but now im like, he can snipe cooler shit by using the plant bullets in combination

[ancient vault]

https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/kaidos-purpose-liqueore-kitetsu-devilfruits-seastones-weapons-revolutionary-army.15007/

[inland kiln]

The plant things at the start of the time skip got me they were super cool

[empty nebula]

I dont think usopp will get a real gun or a machine gun he has many on ship but he prefers sling shot because he can load a tonne of ammo

[pine delta]

i just want to see usopp REALLY go all out with plants because he hasnt had the chance to really bust them all out except for trebol which was offscreened mostly

[inland kiln]

He can get like other types of bullets or a God slingshot

[ancient vault]

Drunken Iron Ore in japanese is "Kitetsu-Ko"

[empty nebula]

I am waiting for usopp to shoot sea prism

[inland kiln]

I think he will be the MvP of the next arc

[pine delta]

he has already: capturing ceaser

[inland kiln]

I think everyone is getting an arc except for Jinbe

Luffy arc is going to be the fight against BB

And the one piece arc

[severe edge]

fishman island was jinbei's arc in a way ig

[inland kiln]

Hmmm actually that’s like a little true

Bc he donated blood to Luffy

[pine delta]

so was wci in a way as well

[ancient vault]

@gloomy canyon yo nothing big but can you update the name on the pinned message? I changed the name of the theory a bit

[wary fossil]

in my theory, the one piece is just a small treasure/piece of technology

[junior cape]

We know at least part of the treasure is a "tale full of laughs"

[wary fossil]

I mean we don't actually know that it's part of the treasure. That's just what Roger named the island. Could be that the road poneglyphs lead to this "grand" treasure, but the treasure itself could be insignificant as a treasure which makes it funny

[severe edge]

nah oda confirmed the treasure is an actual thing so it isn't an intangible thing like friendship and shit

[wary fossil]

my theory is that it is culturally significant even though the treasure itself is not significant (not like a giant piece of gold or island busting future tech, but rather something that people fought over)

[inland kiln]

Maybe it is an artifact that can bring all seas together and create the All blue who knows

[pine delta]

maybe the one piece is a massive party setup but they laugh because they dont know enough people to occupy a place where all the world can party

[inland kiln]

Maybe the one piece is nothing and Roger was laughing bc he was shocked that they traveled so far for nothing

[severe edge]

it's actually just laughing gas

[wary fossil]

let's keep it serious in here please

[modest skiff]

My Mjolnir theory:

It will be something similar to the sword in the stone, where the chosen one is able to pull it out of a stone. Since giants are huge, they won't be able to see something small is wedged in it, preventing it from being pulled out. Usopp will notice this, unwedge it, and pull it out. Giants surrounding Usopp will be like

And yes I know this sounds non-serious, but it is serious. I fully anticipate Usopp being extremely highly regarded in Elbaf, largely due to something gag'ish. I think Usopp being small will allow him to notice something giants can not notice.

[thick sky]

[neat marten]

Some of you guys are forgetting that Roger left his fortune there so they’ll walk away rich and with the one piece

[pine delta]

roger could've been broke

at this point i think its safe to assume the WG know what the one piece is and it represents/is a threat to them that will trigger a world war

[inner oyster]

For some reason I never really registered that what Doffy and Pops described would basically be the One Piece version of the WW Era

[sly mulch]

It’s kinda weird how Burgess goes after Luffy’s gum gum fruit and Ignores Law Ope Ope fruit. Did he not see law laying on the ground almost dead ???

[acoustic helm]

Any theory for why BB went on drum island...

[pine delta]

maybe not from that angle. plus maybe oda just was writing the story and wanted a way to have sabo vs burgess to take both out of the plot

[amber oar]

People in-universe have super tight knowledge, it's not like everyone sees each other's wiki page. Queen didn't know Marco's powers for example.

Probably Teach just didn't know why Law's df is valuable.

[sly mulch]

Didn’t Teach read the devil fruits manual though !! I’m pretty sure he must have come across the ultimate devil fruit the Ope Ope no mi that can grant immorality

Also Burgess was already hiding in the palace when doflamingo, law, Luffy, and Trebol were fighting. He must have heard what doflamingo said about Law devil fruit

[grizzled fog]

Teach might’ve read about it but that doesn’t mean he told Burgess about it. I don’t think they were expecting law to be in dressrosa anyway

[amber oar]

Also, one thing is knowing Law's basic abilities, and another thing is knowing about the eternal youth surgery. Without it Law's still a pretty badass df, but probably not worth the hassle yet (from Teach's POV)

[grizzled fog]

Feel like the ope ope is too complicated for Burgess too. Something straightforward like shooting fireballs or stretchy punches is fine

[tawdry phoenix]

ik that this isnt a theories about 1027 but its about chapter 990. i think x drake decided to be allies with luffy in the onigashima war because it was gratitude for luffy beating doflamingo. but why is he giving gratitude for that? its because doflamingo killed x drakes dad in corazons backstory. cool thing to think about

[weak arrow]

That's probably the main reasoning behind why he let Law go, with a secondary motivation of causing chaos against Kaido. I don't think he allied with Luffy due to the Doflamingo thing, more like he knew he would die if he didn't.

[wary fossil]

drake allied with luffy because kaido found out he was a spy

[weak arrow]

Also dont worry about talking about older chapters, the #1027 designation is mainly to keep people who read #1028 spoilers away

[wary fossil]

or I guess queen did but it's the same thing

[frozen prairie]

Thought: Ryukugyu (or however you spell it, Admiral Green Bull) seems to have two major hints to his likely Devil Fruit powers - those being the color associated with his title (which is an indicator for the power-set of three other admirals, Akainu (red->magma), Kuzan (blue->ice) and Kizaru (yellow->light).. a little less so for Fujitora though admittely) and the fact that he hasn't eaten in ages when we are first introduced to him.

As many people connected and subsequently theorized, this is reminiscent of a plant - able to subsist on light alone through photosynthesis, and generally being associated with the color green. What if we take just one more step?

What if Green Bull's Devil Fruit is the Moss DF? This way, when we pair off the big boys from Luffy's crew against the Admiral (which we can be somewhat confident will happen), we get three nice pairs - Luffy and Akainu, which has personal history. Zoro and Fujitora, both swordsmen. Lastly, Sanji vs a literal Mosshead.

[waxen dust]

So I haven’t been as active lately been busy with irl, but someone had brought up this video and my opinions. Sorry I forgot who you were, so hopefully you see this if you’re an active member.

https://youtu.be/2MsDUzyJqVQ

I had planned to watch it prior to being asked about it, since I had been working on my own Imu theory.

As for my thoughts, overall it was decent. I think Yuderon/Ohara & I had some similar ideas when it came to tying France connections and things related on Skypiea. The “16” Dr. Kureha stuff I also knew about and the significance of Drum Island actually helped me draw some context clues together. The Princess Kaguya stuff also brought some interesting points, but I do think that’s when the theory began to get messy. The comment section to the video was very helpful with some ideas and actually made me realize a fascinating connection with something and Imu.

So basically the first half of this video was good, meanwhile the rest of the video was just all stretched and felt like things were being scrambled and lost in context. Ohara is good with sourcing, but he draws weak conclusions. Yuderon tho has better analytical skills when it comes to combing evidence which is basically his ideas rehashed in the first half of Ohara’s video

[brisk kayak]

after wano we go to elbaf where luffy fights big mom

[steep vigil]

imo i think green bull is gin from the baratie arc, because he has a huge interest for sanji plus his shirt is dark green. PLUS he said "I havent had a bite for 3 darn years" like he's waiting for sanji's cooking because pre timeskip was 9 months, ts was 2 yrs, and the adventure so far was like 2-ish months.

[junior cape]

Hot damn thatd be poggers

[supple magnet]

[royal agate]

elbaph arc?

[gloomy canyon]

Got it

[inland kiln]

Nah impossible he had to get like a super broken df and good haki

[pure raven]

[sterile mason]

That would be so cool

[charred elk]

'Jinbe' is looking cute in Mario outfit 😀

[empty barn]

The only words for the last chapter are
"What the fuck is going on"

[spare bloom]

so that raid suit is like a Flash Drive which uploads the power up to the body once used

[empty barn]

I dont even wanna know what the fuck just went down

https://tenor.com/view/dead-inside-anime-loveiswar-kaguya-gif-13628541

[spare bloom]

because his siblings doesnt use that thing sanji was holding

[empty barn]

I want to eat jacket fruit and just become jacket at this point

[fickle oak]

https://c.tenor.com/21jn21YxxmQAAAAM/point-boa-hancock.gif

[empty barn]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-tanjiro-demon-slayer-kimetsu-no-yaiba-disgust-gif-15052547

Me after reading last chapter

[junior cape]

Yeah queen pulled a fast one huh

[empty barn]

That shit was like fucking sasakis thing

[junior cape]

Completely out of left field

[empty barn]

Why the fuck

[junior cape]

Because he can

[empty barn]

Sanji is a cyborg too
Thats just great

[empty barn]

I do not approve

I dont even know how i should feel about the last chapter xD

[junior cape]

Yeah, it is, because now sanji stronk 💪

Stronks 💪 💪 💪 ↗️ ↗️ ↗️

[vestal orbit]

😎 not completely correct but close enough

[junior cape]

Honestly this is good, since it gives sanji more room to grow as a character

And new problems to deal with

[torn vortex]

man zoro better get a cool asspull like sanji or else sanji might aswell over throw him lol.

[icy bough]

seeing as enma is sharp enough to cut kaido, i think zoro is fine

[dark ginkgo]

I like how my own theory came true, now that's left is for Momo to join the crew

[upper bronze]

Gene modification awakened the first time he used that raid suit. He's not an experiment failure, he's just a late bloomer. In your face, Judge.

[gray apex]

maybe the raid wont fail, but the WG attacking wano and setting off the explosives in onigishima anyways will be the low point of Act 3's climax

[echo kettle]

it would be really cool if momo joined the crew but i think it makes more sense for him to be the new shogun of wano

[sage wren]

Welcome to One Piece

[mellow sapphire]

theory: dinosaurs in OP are just fucking like this

If dinosaurs really believed in themselves they could rotate or shed their torsos

What can Diez Drake do?

[mortal field]

I mean, could you call him a cyborg? I would say genetically enhanced human but cyborg to me is someone with metallic body parts like Queen and Franky

[sage wren]

Yeah Sanji more like a GMO than a machine

[mortal field]

My man is just walmart chicken, not Aldi’s chicken

[shrewd lily]

My concern is about Nico Robin, instead: I don’t want to see her kidnapped again by fucking Lucci 🥲🥲

After seeing the ship of the world government and Momo trying to stop Onigashima, I’m expecting something like this: Momo stops the island, Yamato drop sono bombs from it and Onigashima becomes freaking bomber that unleashes onto world govern enemy ships
That would be satisfying 🐒

[bold gull]

Brook will save the day and defeat the whole cp-0

[dark ginkgo]

I still don't see that especially when Momo is a destined king of all. This plot has twisted even more with CP0 about to raid, so something unexpected at the end like Orochi continuing to stay as shogun with already experience in government with his last head on thread, plus Yamoto's urge to be Oden meaning protecting country comes first.

[shrewd lily]

I hope so ahahah

[shrewd lily]

Or better: Onigashima falls onto World Government ships 😂 that’s my wish 🙈

[dark ginkgo]

Same here

[bold gull]

my long running theory is that zunisha will arrive at wano. momo's ability to order around a giant elephant need to be relevant at some point

[autumn leaf]

This is amazing

[shrewd lily]

Cause the problem is that after this fight everybody will be too tired to fight the world gov! That’s my concern too
Who’s gonna save our heroes? Ahah

[autumn leaf]

I thought they'd have to make an alliance with BM

[shrewd lily]

Yeah that would be great 🐒

[dark ginkgo]

Nice, haven't thought of that

[chrome spire]

Yeah i can def see that

[bold gull]

but there are so many other ways the story can evolve... BM pirates defeating the WG ships as unintended allies then retreating after finding out that BM was defeated... the grand fleet showing up to help.. SWORD reaching wano... shanks.. blackbeard ... lol you name it

[silent dock]

some ideas im floating with WG movement.

1. luffy priority is freeing wano, he might take down kaido and then shift his attention elsewhere allowing for kaido to flee and kidd to follow, maybe with traf to get the road poneglyph off the winter island that drake was at
2. WG coming in could split the straw hats up too - if they nab robin they’d have to send people after and may have other directions needed to go too
3. another 3rd party joins (rev army bois or grandfleet) to save the day

[proud tree]

So did the Birkans view the Lunarians (connected to Moon) as their God? Idk if its a singular god or multiple gods ... I heard Japanese has no plural or singular

Becuase the place Enel "must return to" is the moon (that mindset was ingrained in him in his own island Birka).

[snow grove]

Getting cp 0 into wano might be reason for shanks move

[pure raven]

GG robin should be captured by cp-0 and then luffy gonna attack WG headquarter to save robin and also Dragon at luffy's side to take sabo back 💪💪💪

[neat talon]

No, someone else will come.

//garp//

[snow grove]

No aokiji

[neat talon]

||no, garp will come||

[snow grove]

He know how important is robin

[neat talon]

garp doesn't want to lose his grandson, again

[snow grove]

Garp doesn't give a shit about his grandson

[neat talon]

haha you'll see in 3 chapters, if I'm right, you'll have to give me nitro

you type fucking slow lol

[snow grove]

You ain't getting shit garp doesn't care about luffys actions he's a grown man

[neat talon]

okqy let's bet

deal?

[snow grove]

Deal

[neat talon]

if u win, I'll give u nitro if I win u give me nitro

[snow grove]

Deal mark my words

[fathom matrix]

Huh, guess it did end up awakening those genes

[pure raven]

in the midst of desperate the power will blossoms

[molten mortar]

sanji awakened it lOL his mom only delayed i

[runic osprey]

Yup the medication lasted temporarily

[hallow spoke]

So what the limit to sanji new recovery/toughness

[outer edge]

Just needed the right squeeze

[swift patrol]

I don't remember too well but was it stated that zoro's ancestor (the blade god or something) fought with 3 swords too?

sorry if it's the wrong channel but idk where to post it ^^"

[amber oar]

You could have asked it in #manga or #also-manga ... But to not let you unanswered, no, it hasn't been stated. Neither the opposite, however. But Ryuma in Monsters fought with only one sword, and so did in TB (though maybe it doesn't count because it was Brook's shadow)

[swift patrol]

I'll ask there then! I was a bit confused because there's a page that says but I don't know if it means it's the same 3 sword style or not. I'll move the convo :)

[fathom matrix]

I can imagine after the said, he's gonna look depressed and serious cooking food, and when he takes a smoke break, he actually sits down with Chopper to talk.

Maybe asking if it's possible to reverse what the Germa did, cause he doesn't want to be a monster, but Chopper says that he became a monstert to help Luffy become pirate king, to get stronger, and he rejected his familly because of how they treated him, and he shouldn't think of this power as a Germa enhancement or power of the Germa, but it's his own and is a power to help the future pirate king and

I do wonder if Judge even knows haki

In fact, I'd be kinda surprised if Vegapunk knew it, but I coud imagine him training to learn it, cause he would need first hand research, like "of course i know it, the best way to understand this power it to achieve it myself"

[pure raven]

the ryuma is zoro father ?

[fathom matrix]

No but descendent

[drowsy copper]

what are the main theories about what hiyori is doing rn?

[fathom matrix]

she's lurking and she might grab enma to kill orochi

OH GOD, OF FUCK I JUST REALISED.....so you know how Gecko Moria's joined Black Beard's crew or they at last have his fruit, and Moria once stole Rhyuma's body and ressurected it?

And how Ace and Whitebeard's bodies are probably still decently intact maybe?

[shadow pollen]

bwahahahah what

[narrow latch]

dragon is pulling up to Wano. the only person we have seen less than shanks is dragon. wano is also a country that has suppressed it citizens for decades and the revos fight for civilians and freedom. Wano is suppose to be bigger than marineford also. i think its time for dragon to show himself and if marines are really arriving then the raid is going to need more help as well

[bitter kraken]

If not dragon someone else has to come, who else will take care of the navy. But what I can’t get out of my mind is big moms kids they’re still out there near wano, and they’re no friends of the navy, assuming they sent fodder it’s likely BM kids sink those ships

[drowsy copper]

2 empereors are on Wano and Luffy.. it seems like they attack only cuz Kaido is vulnerable but then I don't think they are so stupid to send fodders

Also, what are the theories about the whereabouts of hiyori and what she's doing?

[bitter kraken]

If not fodder we could see the new SSG’s weapons, and hiyori is fodder she’s prolly somewhere hiding

[ancient vault]

thats not gonna happen, forget about it

[sinful wedge]

Do people think there's more to BM's hunger pangs since her childhood?

[rotund pond]

Brook vs Lucci shortly

[golden tartan]

Is hygoro still alive?

[weary cypress]

We saw hyougoro in this chapter

[fiery star]

An honestly stupid theory, but by the end of the series, Law would die.
Evidence:
During dressrosa, Law and Doffy mentioning the Ope-Ope's main selling point: the eternal youth surgery. This didn't have to be mentioned if it wouldn't have a significant impact on the story. And the growth between Luffy and Law might lead to saw sacrificing himself for Luffy's sake.

[sacred hawk]

Hold on, aren't the Big Mom Pirates still outside Wano right now? You think they'll deal with the marines or will they get captured?

[modest skiff]

It could have been mentioned because other people already had the surgery, such as the Gorosei

[fathom matrix]

Honestly, Law might die smiling that he got to know what the D clan's purpose was, and knowing that information got to be released.

[thick sky]

When did Gorosei have the surgery

[proud tree]

theory: Sabo is dead.

[tacit veldt]

Sabo=very dead

[modest skiff]

I didn't mean they did. I am saying it is possible that they did. Sorry for being unclear. I'm just saying the existence of the surgery could mean someone else has had it rather than it meaning Law will perform it on someone else

[proud tree]

Blackbeard already showed interest in the flame fruit. If Sabo died already, blackbeard can get the flame fruit again. (chapter 956)

Also Sabo said it is a live or death situation: chapter 908:

Counter Argument: Why a off screen character death?

[ashen siren]

wow its totally different from anime episode

[modest skiff]

I think there are a ton of ways to interpret this panel. I still don't buy the idea that Sabo is dead

[pure raven]

even if sabo is dead im sure oda will flashback to the actual fight like he did with ace at banaro island

[full plume]

SHANKS WILL STOP THE WG FLEET COMING TO WANO 😤😤😤😤

[pure raven]

i dont think so

shanks probably knows whats going on and is letting luffy handle it. if he helped him luffy wouldnt be able to call himself a truely great pirate and they wouldnt be able to meet.

either big mom pirates intercept the WG fleet or the fleet makes it into wano and get anihilated by the alliance

cause if you think back the strawhats were at a huge disadvantage against cipher pol at enies lobby

[rugged cove]

here is a sabo theory i found on reddit
The WG killed Cobra and tried to blame it on Sabo. Sabo then took Vivi and escaped. The WG didn’t want Morgan publishing that because they couldn’t catch Sabo and it would make them look weak.

Morgan said he “spins lies to move people’s hearts” so I think instead of publishing Sabo escaped with Vivi. He said “Cobra was killed by Sabo who then kidnapped Vivi” putting him as the bad guy and making people pity Alabasta kingdom. Again this makes the WG look bad cause they couldn’t catch him.

The reactions from the revolutionaries are more disappointed and shocked then sad. Like a “I can’t believe he would do that” reaction. Especially from Ivankov’s reaction.

Makino and Dadan’s reactions. Now, even though the news shocked Makino. I believe she’s reacting to him being alive more than anything else. Same with Dadan and the others. They find out he’s alive and then he killed someone.

Okay he’s when I start reaching. I kind of think Sabo and Cobra were protecting Vivi bc she has information or something that could hurt the WG. Like the ancient weapon? They killed Cobra while Sabo got away with Vivi. Imu had Vivi’s picture so she’s obviously important. Now, since Sabo got away with Vivi (who might have something that might be a role to the WG’s downfall). They want to cover it up so no one goes after them. But then, at the end it says Blackbeard is going after it or then before the marines do. Okay. Lastly, I believe Sabo would have no where else to go with Vivi since he can’t expose the revolutionaries base. So with Luffy’s vivre card he’ll go to Wano. With the WG and marines (sadly they could go to Wano) after him shit will go down in Wano.

[pure raven]

at this point i wouldnt be surprised if jinbe could ko rob lucci

unless rob lucci got some super mega power up over time skip

[outer edge]

So ace can finally find sabo on the other side
Finally he can end his search

[pine delta]

this supports the vivi is an ancient weapon or its key, i dont see why she would have such importance otherwise. if it was simply the bloodline of the 20 families tht formed the WG they could just use cobra but they specifically target vivi, as well as shirahoshi (who is poseidon)

would provide a natural way for her to rejoin the crew in the final arc, tying together loose threads since the start of the series

[severe salmon]

Straw hats will have all three ancient weapons

[weak arrow]

Dadan and them didn’t find out he was alive from that newspaper. They found that out before. The news really can only say something like “Sabo died” or “Sabo captured and awaiting execution” imo for it to make sense

[rugged cove]

idk maybe

[junior cape]

I guess we know why the BM pirates are waiting outside Wano. They're there to deal with the navy. Each of them is like a small army.

Even if they didn't know it at the time.

[bitter kraken]

No guarantee they could even deal with what’s on those ships, they navy was said to be spread thin righf? Good chance those ships are carrying the SSG’s new weapons that were supposed to be the warlords replacement

[pure raven]

bruh sabo not dead

[junior cape]

No, Sakazuki said that they weren't touching Wano. The people on those ships are just foot soldiers at best, or cipher pol agents at worst. SSG works under navy, not cipher pol. Plus, itd take too long for CP0 to get to navy hw and back with the saga's new weapon.

The Big Mom group has it under control

[bitter kraken]

Ssg and all the navy work for the world government who give Cipher their marching orders, they prolly can get their hands on any tech they want

[modest skiff]

So then why would they ever think that’s sufficient to secure Wano? I can’t imagine they are assuming every single fighter defeats each other in a draw

[junior cape]

Yes that's likely, but they only knew Big Mom would be going to Wano about a week ago. That's not likely enough time to get that together.

[junior cape]

They're not assuming a draw, they're assuming whoever wins will be too weak to fight back afterwards.

[bitter kraken]

I think it’s been longer than a week in the OP world right?

And everyone knew that BM was going to wano right before the revier started, when garp and them talked about rocks

[junior cape]

Yes, but even then the navy couldn't do jack. They were busy with royals, then a week passed, and they immediately shipped out to deal with the warlords, and here we are.

[modest skiff]

I honestly feel like an extremely weakened Jack could level a whole fleet of fodder soldiers

[junior cape]

Well we dont have to worry about that since jack is fucking dead. He got the donut treatment.

And now that sanji is stronk, he can just wail on queen until he goes down. Think about it. Queens sword, likely haki infused, snapped on Sanji's SKIN. Anything queen can throw at him, he can just tank it now.

[modest skiff]

While this is true, my point is that in order for soldiers to be able to do much of anything, an enormous majority of remotely strong fighters would all need to be down for the count. I just don't see how they could assume everyone would be THAT weak. I'm still convinced there are at least 1-2 strong people on these ships

[junior cape]

Oh yeah there are likely some stronger cipher pol agents on those ships, and maybe some navy vice/rear admirals, but definitely not a dedicated conquering force. They're coming to annex the country if Kaido loses, not wage a war.

[modest skiff]

Isn't conquering a somewhat necessary part of annexing? If we are to assume Kaido lost to someone, wouldn't that person be someone worth worrying about? I guess we'll see who ends up being on the ship. I don't have a crystal ball, but I do think there's gotta be someone higher than vice admiral on a ship

[junior cape]

No, annexing and conquering are very different things. Annexing, you just move into a power vacuum and say "I'm in charge now". Conquering, you actively fight the already present governing force for control. Two very different things.

[modest skiff]

Either way, you’d need enough power to have no one else take it back. That means no one strong enough to defeat whoever is in charge right? That’s why I’m saying they would need to be a big gaping hole where everyone was unconscious.

[bitter kraken]

The peeps on wano are not gonna just be like “okay y’all are in charge good luck” lol who ever is on those ships if they want wano afw gonna have to bleed for it

[junior cape]

Yeah, this. The people of Wano are fucking sick of tyrants. They're not gonna just roll over and let themselves be conquered AGAIN. They're gonna fight back, as best they can, until either the samurai return, or Kaido blows them off the map.

And that's assuming the navy forces can even reach the island through all of Big Mom's children.

[amber oar]

are those even navy ships? They don't seem to have any symbol. Maybe they're just Cipher Pol ships.

[modest skiff]

I’m assuming the ships have agents similar to the ones who tried to take down Morgans

[amber oar]

yup, probably

[modest skiff]

And in such a case, they will get completely dumpstered

[bitter kraken]

The agent that tried Morgan’s seemed fodder big time, that’s why I’m saying the only way their so called annexation even has a chance is with the SSG’s new weapons which they should have no trouble getting their hands on. The navy prolly even knows about it because it would provide a testing ground for their war lord replacements

[modest skiff]

Yeah, I agree with this. They will need big guns to have a remote chance of this ridiculous annex. I honestly think this will just be another example of the WG getting blown up. My deepest desire is that Vegapunk is on one of the ships with SSG new weapon

[inner vector]

There's someone who thinks that Kaido will win?

[bitter kraken]

I’m fairly certain it will fail too, and lucci will once again fail lol but I cannot see Vegapunk being on one of those ships because of how important he is to the navy/world gov they wouldn’t risk sending him to a war zone. If anything I feel like Kizaru’s nephew will be leading the new weapons, like he did the pacifistas that fat guy with the ax. He seems to be field commander of SSG

[left field]

random question: does anyone think there's more than 1 "D"? Like what if there are 2 different D surnames that are part of 2 different family lines

[plucky storm]

Its not really a family line

More like a clan

[left field]

ah

[modest skiff]

I don’t think we even have indication it is a clan. We really don’t have any idea whatsoever where the D comes from or how people even know they have it

[left field]

all we know is that people with D have children with D

[modest skiff]

A lot of things sound reasonable and whatnot but a lot of it is guessing

[left field]

it very well could've been a clan 800 years ago though, and then whoever remained had children with D and so on

[left field]

I mean pretty much all theories use guessing

[modest skiff]

Of course, wasn’t intended as a criticism. Just saying there’s lots of unknowns

[late birch]

anyone think king or bullet are related or atleast may have similiar backgrounds

[final prawn]

I know BB isn’t in Wano but I seen this and wanted to hear thoughts about it

last part is meh IMO

[modest skiff]

“As you know” seems weird. That isn’t remotely established at all. Total guess, not “as we know”

[final prawn]

Oh yeah 100%

[bitter kraken]

I don’t even think Bb will get another fruit

[left field]

I won't deny u, I just wanna hear why u think that

[bitter kraken]

No reason other than it would just be overkill ya kno? BB already has two fruit powers which is unheard of and is the first to do it from what we know so if he came out and was like “ayy check it out I have 3 powers now” it would just be like wtf lol

[left field]

ur only reason is cause of power balancing bruh💀

It's not guaranteed for him to get a 3rd ability but there aren't 3 skulls on his jolly roger for nothing

[modest skiff]

If he doesn’t have a limited capacity, why not? My theory is that BB is going for some specific set of fruits to destroy Marie Jois. I think it’s possible that there are fruits which become impossible to beat when the same person has different ones. For example the Hobby Hobby fruit would be extremely strong if the user also had the invisibility fruit. Certain fruits are only “balanced” because they have a drawback.

[short pilot]

is it just me, or did Sanji just got a huge power boost? PLUS a suit

it´s like Zoro gets an offensive boost, and Sanji a defensive boost

[acoustic helm]

Sanji got raid suit zoro got enma
Sanji got regen , zoro got ❓❓❓

[vestal orbit]

cocting can probably be used defensively

[short pilot]

zoro got Haoshoku Haki

[vestal orbit]

so sanji gets raid suit, zoro gets enma
sanji gets germa physiology, zoro gets cocting

until unless sanji awakens coc as well

[acoustic helm]

Even zoro doesn't know that

[short pilot]

will Sanji didn't know his body will change either

[acoustic helm]

Well let's see

[short pilot]

and it was Kaido that mentioned Zoro used Haoshoku Haki

[bitter kraken]

Kaido didn’t say he used it, he was just sorta like you use it too? Asking him if that’s how he was able to cut him, but I think he was able to do it because of enma

[split glacier]

Zoro having CoC is still a conversation? Sheesh. He has it, end of. With Enma, without it, drunk, sleeping, lost, he's got CoC.

[arctic fractal]

theres anime filler with him outrightly using it like 50 chapters before its introduced in the manga

[silent dock]

I think that there was a split in the ancient kingdom, which is seen today by the two sides of D (gol d vs rocks d, Blackbeard vs luffy) part of me feels luffy will need to somehow solve this split to truly be the carrier of joyboys will

[silent dock]

Seriously... not a question anymore. Kai do confirmed in manga, anime confirmed in a stupid way even more recently

[amber oar]

why tho and what utility that would have

[left field]

look at what @silent dock said

[amber oar]

I don't see the need of a split still

[left field]

the idea that the ancient kingdom split in two has seemed to present itself numerous times, with Rocks v Garp & Roger + Luffy vs BB, Im-sama and Joyboy, etc

the will of D doesn't unite everyone with D in their name

[vestal orbit]

not sure about im and joy boy

[left field]

me neither lol

well the question isn't necessarily if the kingdom split or not, it's whether or not the great kingdom and the 20 united kingdoms were once one

[junior cape]

Well I think based on 1028's ending that Queen can no longer kill Sanji in the time allotted

Cus sanji can now just tank it like its nothing.

[night sundial]

two halves of the moon

[silent dock]

I wouldn't be so sure. Here's my thought: we know (according to the WG) that the 3 ancient weapons created by the Ancient Kingdom aka og will of D gang are extremely powerful and could literally destroy the world. TBH I think this "world" is more so the world created by wg and more means it could destroy their rule, ie pluton blasting a hole in the red line. BUT - their power could be the source of the split. I think that half the ancient kingdom wanted to use them violently, destroy the WG in its early stages and maintain status quo. Then Joy boy would have disagreed, wanting to seek a more diplomatic way to ensure unity and not stoop to the level of destruction and violence the WG is now known for.

[left field]

I like your ideas man

[silent dock]

Thanks bro, I have a huge theory for this I want to put into a YouTube video or something. I got to this by relooking at the will of D, and how I still think will of devils is closest to the meaning.

This quote about Lucifer in paradise lost, a famous book by an anti establishment writer in the 1600s reminds me of both luffy and Blackbeard. I feel like Oda took this idea of the devil being good and evil at the same time and ran with it

[left field]

were the ultimate weapons made pre or post kingdom split

[silent dock]

Pre split. Right when the world gov was taking over and the ancient kingdom had to figure out how to stop em. They disagreed on how to use em

[left field]

do u think the lunarians were allied with the wg, diplomatic members of ancient kingdom or the violent members of the ancient kingdom

[proud tree]

Independent tribe

[left field]

hmm

[silent dock]

Ooooo shit...... prolly the violent side given kings disposition and alignment with an ex rocks pirate hahaha idk tho I should relook at it

[left field]

cause one of the ancient kingdom's sides might've wanted to use pluton to eliminate the Lunarians

[proud tree]

Kinda like Shandorians (Chandra means Moon in Sanskrit, Lunarian Connection)

[left field]

Lunarians dominated the red line, but we have yet to find out how they died out

[heady parrot]

if i had to go on a limb i’d say genocide

[left field]

pretty likely

cause something like pluton seems like an easy way to eliminate them, but the thing is Pluton probably didn't eliminate them since the red line isn't destroyed

[silent dock]

Yeah honestly kinda interested in that bc the red line, or the red snake as dorry and brogy call it, always seemed like something potentially made by the WG to me for them to control it. The fact an ancient race lived up there really changes up its potential history.

[heady parrot]

wouldn’t be surprised if it was just 100 years of unbridled genocide on the part of the world government. tracking down and eliminating every race that posed a threat to their dominance and to the celestial dragons positions as gods.

[left field]

one question: poseidon was probably made to disperse the calm belt. So if Pluton was made to blast the red line, then was the red line also artificially created?

[heady parrot]

what kind of power could create a continent that spans the whole world

i like the idea. it’d be interesting to see how or what could do that though.

[vestal orbit]

an ability that allows the user to manipulate the earth or smthn like that

like if you could manipulate the tectonic plates or harness the power of the core or whatever you could force a continent into existence

[left field]

Pica had stone assimilation powers and WB could cause earth-shaking quakes

[heady parrot]

yeah but across the entire world. that’s insane. not out of the question in the world of one piece but we’ve never seen a devil fruit outside of maybe the Gura Gura actually have planet threatening or altering abilities

[silent dock]

This is what I was thinking until I learned that lunarians lived there. But you could theorize that someone used a massive weapon to destroy a moon and used the remnants to build a continent and the lunarians just moved back since it was their moon used to build it lmao that's wild tho when you say

[left field]

I mean doesn't the OP world have multiple moons

[vestal orbit]

yep

[heady parrot]

oh shit what if it was a previous user of the gura gura. maybe it’s awakened powers could split tectonic plates and force a worldwide continent to rise.

[silent dock]

Holy shit that's so true earthquakes are literally caused by the same force that builds mountains damn dude

[vestal orbit]

would be interesting, not sure if that would fall under the gura's domain though

it's really just the ability to make things vibrate and shake, whitebeard just uses it to make earthquakes

[silent dock]

But what is it's awakening??

[vestal orbit]

even so, i mean

all the other awakened fruits we've seen so far were directly related to their original powers

[silent dock]

Earthquakes are made by tectonic shifts, mountains are made by tectonic shifts. Def a viable route

[left field]

gura gura could be important to WG for that reason, don't forget BB's wanted poster was near Im-Sama

[vestal orbit]

so even if the gura awakened, not sure it would go directly into earthquakes

it's like if luffy's fruit awakened and got the ability to manipulate air since his gears depend on it

[silent dock]

Yeah I mean we definitely need to understand much much more about awakened abilities im 100% wearing my tinfoil@hat rn lmao

[vestal orbit]

yea, hopefully we see vegapunk soon

[silent dock]

yeah i can’t wait for that. you guys into any vegapunk theories

[vestal orbit]

there's a pretty interesting theory in the pins about a literal 5head tribe that vegapunk could belong to

personally hoping the kizaru vegapunk theory is true though

[sturdy glen]

which admiral is likely to come with the ships?

[rose kettle]

I think none probably. If there is, probably would be Kizaru since ||Fujitora and Green Bull (forgot tje JP name) is still exhausted after the Sabo incident||

[placid moss]

ye

[wet perch]

Drop Onigashima onto the fleet ships. Ka-boom

[heady parrot]

yo this isn’t a bad idea. since yamato is going to neutralize the bombs, onigashima could drop on some ships and crush them without any worry about everyone getting blown to hell.

[plush pike]

Has anyone written a theory on how all of the yonko right now may represent a flawed version of what freedom means?

Big Mom gives people a choice to live in her utopia or not, but at a cost of never betraying her and giving up your lifespan. The flaw in her version of a perfect, free utopia is that it's a child's fantasy, it doesn't work in reality, and it results in a lot of cruelty.

Kaido lets people be who they want to be (evidenced by calling Yamato "son" for wanting to be Oden, and respecting the samurai's choice to join him or not, saying he will kill them, but at least respect their choice. It's also clear he respected Oden for standing up to him and enduring the humiliating 5 years after his return to Wano. However, the flaw in his version of freedom is that despite saying he respects people, he still enforces his own will on them through violence.

Shanks is unknown at this time, but I predict that his version of freedom is in trying to keep the peace in the world through diplomacy and ensuring that the least amount of conflict occurs so people are free to live in peace. I do however think that due to conflict being inevitable, this is kind of just a patch on the wound, and therefore we often see the world go into conflict despite Shanks' efforts. Perhaps in his quest to make the world more peaceful, he actually ends up making it more authoritarian and less free at the same time, given he has Sengoku's respect and at least the Gorosei's attention, which hints at his motivations being more lawful than chaotic.

Blackbeard wants freedom through power, I think this is pretty obvious at least. Power lets people live freely, so let those who have power seize it and live out their dreams. This is one of the great follys for Luffy I think, as Luffy does indeed seek power and do try to seize his dream through having it. However, I think where Luffy and Blackbeard differs is, to me at least, that Blackbeard seizes his freedom at the cost of others, unlike Luffy.

Therefore I think the solution to the end of One Piece is to give the world a true meaning of freedom, a meaning that only Joy Boy can deliver. Unless the answer to what freedom means is given, authoritarianism, the government's argument, will remain intact.

That's also why I think Rayleigh says that Luffy and the others might "come to a different conclusion" than Roger back in Sabaody. I think Roger may have had an idea of freedom, but they were unsure of whether it was the ultimate answer the world needed to replace the people's hope in a safe authoritarian regime.

Dragon will probably also have an idea of freedom, and that's how he will tie into the story. Ultimately though, I think everyone's idea of freedom will be flawed, but Luffy will be the one to present the one that everyone ends up liking.

[gaunt perch]

will they just drop the thing on the navy ships ?

[heady parrot]

god i hope so

[heady parrot]

this is really solid write up. freedom is a huge theme in one piece, maybe even THE theme. it would make sense for these figures of immense power and influence in the one piece world to represent opposing, yet flawed, ideas of freedom. i like where you’re going with Shanks, too. it fits with my idea that shanks is like a mediator and his ideology may be opposed by Luffy here soon even if he’s not necessarily a villain or antagonist.

[silent dock]

Yo this is fire asf. I really like the idea it puts behind Shank's flaw which could lead to conflict with Luffy as luffy doesn't give a rats ass about balance

I also think it plays well into my theory on a split in the will of D and that joyboy wasn't willing to get freedom through the destructive powers of the ancient weapons

[plush pike]

That makes sense

[pure raven]

Uncle iroh will solo the verse

[mint prairie]

[mint prairie]

Solid read, buddy. I really liked your take on the core theme of freedom. I also believe that might be the actual source of conflict between Luffy and Shanks. Rather than an antagonistic relationship, I expect there to be a difference in values and philosophies that will get resolved one way or another.

[plush pike]

Indeed, I do not think it will come to an all out battle with Shanks or anything, but I do believe that Shanks will confront Luffy about his meaning of freedom somehow.

Oh and Whitebeard's idea of freedom was of course family, which had its flaw in the mantra "I will do anything for family". Including starting a war resulting in thousands of casualties on both sides, throwing away too many people's freedom. An understandable flaw maybe, but a flaw nonetheless.

And the flaw can be more clearly seen if we think about what would happen if everyone lived under the rule of such ideals.

Though at first glance we might think "if everyone lived under Shanks' type of freedom it would be okay", but that doesn't really address everyone's problems with each other, such as the mistrust between races, the conflict of interests, of power, of who needs to follow whose rules etc.

And maybe Shanks' flaw is that his idea of freedom is just trying to make the best of the current situation, basically a status quo mentality. That could also make sense, though we know too little to conclude anything.

[lapis prairie]

One of the best reads I've ever seen. This is what I sought when I first came here

[mortal field]

Damn this theory is great, its always nice to see someone point out things i never notice (in this case, all the yonkos meaning freedom in their view)

[junior cape]

Mohawk vs zoro will have a sky split

Mihawk*

[odd lichen]

robin will be captured at water7 then will be saved again at enies lobby => robin will be captured at wano then will be saved again at someplace
ace captured then died ==> sabo captured then died

[junior cape]

I don't think Robin will be captured on Wano. It would feel like a ripoff of Enies Lobby. There's no super-emotional payout to gain from it. The only reason Oda would have her captured would be for her crewmates to shortly get her back. Remember, CP0 is just as stuck on Wano as the rest of the samurai and pirates. There's nowhere for them to GO.

Plus, she's a lot stronger now, as are the rest of the crew. If anything, she'll bet up CP0 for trying.

[pure raven]

Oh, I’m a Genius.

[junior cape]

Omegabrain prediction

[cerulean summit]

Genuinely random and off topic, sorry, but what’s the consensus on Sugar’s power? Could she no limits anyone, like Kaido or Shanks, or yall think it’s like Law’s DF where their immense haki gives them protection?

[real swan]

Probably more like Law's, but the story might need to be careful about yonko level enemies just negating tons of DF abilities by having strong haki.

Tho I suppose Haki was meant to counter DFs in the first place so ya.

[neon shoal]

Yeah sugar power may not work against powerful haki users like kaido big mom or shanks

[cerulean summit]

Head canon so far is that for me currently, just because of how hax it would be otherwise, like why wouldn’t Doffy have just had her Toy up the whole world. Its nice to have these soft boundaries in OP

[shadow pollen]

its like laws Df, oda prolly realised that these fruits were too op thus introduced this actually shit system of haki protection whateva

[orchid path]

yeah kinda wack that it was a crisis moment just for the risk of being touched

[cerulean summit]

My brother and i were discussing the crisis moment and my point was eventually, hopefully, Luffy’s haki will put him in that same class so as to make her power redundant, but he used it as evidence it could even work against Kaido....which....no...

[orchid path]

hmm yeah would make sense bc otherwise she could literally have made doffy irrelevant and built her own empire out of fear

[cerulean summit]

Yeah he also was pretty big on no limits fallacy with Law’s powers until recently so

[sinful wedge]

If BB is never meant to come to Wano, how would he be planning on getting its road poneglyph? He, like Luffy also harbors the ambition to become the PK.

It couldn't just have been that for the past 2 years he was sitting on his ass and thinking that he would one day steal it from Luffy in the future?

That's also a big assumption since the SH's were nowhere to be seen for those past 2 years

How else do you explain him/his crew not coming to Wano?

[waxen dust]

BB will likely steal the Poneglyphs last minute, but I am thinking Moria, Shiryuu, & Devon will show up at some point. They’ll also “recruit” Caribou and possibly have him digest the Wano poneglyphs

[sinful wedge]

Yes, I've seen this theory and it has some really good points and looks very possible.

My question is pointed more towards those who are adamant over other 3rd parties not coming to Wano for some reason

[waxen dust]

Well it’s already happening now because WG is arriving soon. And let’s not forget BMP will somehow find the secret entrance

People who are suggesting otherwise are believing so because they’re becoming impatient with this arc

[sinful wedge]

That should be on the other side of the waterfall, so they won't encounter those WG ships?

[sinful wedge]

Agreed

[waxen dust]

Exactly, so one comes from one end and the other from the other end

[sinful wedge]

Interesting, I thought them being down there would mean that they become sacrificial lambs for those WG ships

[waxen dust]

That last chapter made it even more plausible for an Act 4 pretty soon

[proud tree]

will CP0 also have cyborg enhancements like Pacifista?

[waxen dust]

SSGs most likely

But I don’t know if Lucci & co. are showing up because he gave orders in a Third Degree manner. Made it allude that his squad is not going to be present

[sinful wedge]

If Lucci is not coming, that makes things even more intriguing

[waxen dust]

Honestly think the SSGs are on the WG ship and possibly Vegapunk

[sinful wedge]

Yeah that's where I'm at too

[waxen dust]

And maybe Greenbull....maybe

[sinful wedge]

I'm doubtful about greenbull since this seems like a covert mission from the WG's side of things

or maybe not if this order from above is extended to the marines too in the unlikely case that they have resources to spare now

[waxen dust]

yeah I agree, but if Greenbull is Ushimaru or someone Wano related than I could see them getting involved covertly as well

[proud tree]

I have to reread mother caramel flashback ... she wanted to sell Big Mom as a marine admiral or as a CP0 agent?

[waxen dust]

Either

Caramel stated Big Mom was capable of becoming anything

[waxen dust]

I mentioned a few times since the chapter dropped that I think the main reason WG is making the move now and on top of that trying to capture Robin is because:

1. WG has obtained Pluton
   or
2. Pluton is on Wano
   But the motives imo definitely seem Ancient Weapon related

[sinful wedge]

I would lean more over them having acquired Pluton after whatever happened in Alabasta

[modest skiff]

I honestly think the arc has at least 30 more chapters left in it. More like 40'ish lol

This could end up really scrappy and prolonged depending on who else shows up

[waxen dust]

okay
I think the raid ends around 1050
We get Act 4
Wano ends on 1092

Given the setup from the last chapter there is alot more being setup, as I predicted would happen all along

[sinful wedge]

I think 60 more chapters is a little too much, 30-40 seems like a right estimate

around 15-20 chapters more for the fights and 15 more for the aftermath

[rose kettle]

actually this is possible though I think the whole wano arc would either end this year around December or Early next year Jan-March

[waxen dust]

1092 translates as Wano Kuni, that’s really the main reason for the number, but 40 is reasonable to jump between Act 3 & Act 4

[sinful wedge]

Even Jan-March, we'll only have 10-15 more chapters which is not feasible at all

[frozen birch]

think we still have a year or so irl

[sinful wedge]

More like around the end of next year

[waxen dust]

yeah Raid will end around February/March, BUT Wano not ending that soon. This is gonna be a long arc as expected

[sinful wedge]

Maybe, but these wordplays are usually hit or miss, 60 seems a bit overkill even though a lot of people do underestimate Wano's length

[rose kettle]

yeah it already beat Dressrosa anyway and there are a lot of one on one battles in this arc so it really makes sense

[frozen birch]

with the marines coming now, and potentially blackbeard moving, i'm assuming luffy will want to claim wano as his own territory to protect it and wano won't want to be part of the world govt, so there'so much more on wano even after kaido goes down

[waxen dust]

People need to stop guessing the end of Wano every 10 chapters and just enjoy the ride and expect it to be for the long haul. That’s why people are too fatigued now

[rose kettle]

especially right now ||that CP0 and fucking Lucci is on Wano||

[rose kettle]

TBH I am really excited with the banquet already hahaha

[waxen dust]

If something significant happens on 1031 then I am putting all my chips on the number wordplay, if not I’ll tone the expectations down a bit lol. But yea 40 is reasonable, I been for this idea as well

[rose kettle]

it is been a while since we get a chapter with some fun moments and a room breather as well

[modest skiff]

Lucci is not on Wano

[rose kettle]

on the way hahaha sorry wrong term

[waxen dust]

Nah Lucci is not on the way

[modest skiff]

He also does not appear to be on the way. He already sent ships and he isn't on them

[frozen birch]

i think we were to assume he is on those boats that we saw

[modest skiff]

He was sitting in Marie Jois

[waxen dust]

He’s on a boat but definitely headed somewhere else

[modest skiff]

oh what

[frozen birch]

i guess the inside of a marine boat wouldnt be that nice? but who knows

[rose kettle]

yeah I am pretty sure he is on a ship

[rose kettle]

well I pretty doubt them that they will capture robin easily anyway

[waxen dust]

yeah the interior design of that room resembles a similar one to BB’s ships interior. So they are likely having CP0 split in two units (Wano) & wherever Lucci gang going

[modest skiff]

Well never mind then

[frozen birch]

but i suppose the verbiage of "the ships are already on their way" would imply that lucci is not on those ships

otherwise he'd say something like "we're on the way"

[rose kettle]

well if it is not Lucci there would be someone high rank guy probably it is around 4 ships anyway

[waxen dust]

If he Lucci was on Mariejoas then Oda would had likely stated that like he usually does when transponder snails report from long distances. But this time he kept it discrete

[frozen birch]

would be cool to see ryokogu or whatever greenbull

theres that theory that green bull is from the shimotsuki clan

[waxen dust]

I think the SSGs, Vegapunk, and Greenbull are the most likely to be on the ships. Might not be all of them, but definitely think at least one of these will be revealed very shortly

[frozen birch]

SSGs are currently dealing w the warlords iirc

[waxen dust]

Could be in multiple places, remember they’re weapons not people

[frozen birch]

vegapunk would be interesting

[rose kettle]

oh now I remember there is a fasting part that he said last time we encounter him

[frozen birch]

yea and the whole green and bull being associated w that clan

the reach theory that i wouldnt be completely upset about is green bull being related to or even being zoro's dad

also the whole kizaru is vegapunk theory feels more and more appealing as we see sanji get deeper into the tech side of his family, the eventual sanji kizaru face off having the whole judge/vegapunk baggage feels right

[rose kettle]

NANIIIIIIIIII hahha well it makes sense since who knows he might be a marimo as well and if the theory that he is from Wano then it might have a higher chance of being correct

[rose kettle]

where do you guys get this theory btw?

[frozen birch]

theres a lot to it, here let me see if i can find a good link

https://onepiece.fandom.com/f/p/3100000000000137623

this one's got a decent amount of it, also stuff like, sentomaru is supposed to be vegapunk's bodyguard, but the ONLY times we actually see him is with kizaru... so is he bodyguarding kizaru?

theres a decent amount of evidence that suggest otherwise, but theres a small chance its possible

i personally like the idea that bc kizaru can move at the speed of light, his neurons and brain functions similarly, which explains him being the only person to achieve such advancements in technology

[sinful wedge]

Kizaru was born in NB whereas Vegapunk in the grand line

[proven lion]

Excellent chapter

[rose kettle]

thanks

[teal nymph]

i hope kizaru is heading to wano on the ships if cp0 want to catch robin

[limpid holly]

im really interested to see how the world government's invasion gonna work and who is on marine's ships, might be the new unit that replaced the War Lords system, SSG (Special Science Group).

i also think that its gonna be perfect time for the Revolutionary army and Dragon to make their move because it appears that many of the Word Government forces positioning outside of Wano, so in that case Marījoa's defense will be lower which make Sabo's rescue mission much easier.
Blackbeard might make his move against Marījoa or any targets that normally guarded by the marines.

[rose kettle]

there is indeed a decent amount of possible scenarios with the situation on hand in these past chapters

though any theories here btw when will Akagami start his move?

[pure raven]

Also, I keep saying it… Jimbe vs Ace fight lasted 3 days, WB vs Roger lasted 2 days, BM vs Kaido lasted the entire night. These people can go on for quite some time. I won’t be surprised if Kaido gets up after Onigashima fall.

[grizzled fog]

Jinbe vs ace was five days

[fallow knot]

As in cover page luffy was shown as ken tht makes bb as evil ryu???

And in streetfighter evil ryu was trying to hunted down akuma who killed his father figure. And akuma is similar to shanks. Tht means shanks and bb share some connection.

[runic osprey]

Kinda hyped on how wanji will use his germa powers combined with his own haki

[final ginkgo]

Aight quick theory, new one piece chapter cover has 800 written in his usopps glasses. Chapter 800 is the chapter the fleet becomes a thing. I'm guessing this means the strawhat fleet will come to wano

[potent belfry]

guys do you think imu-sama is actually rocks d xebec? what if rocks somehow never died in god valley accident and become the "king" of the world by rulling the entire world government from the shadows

[final ginkgo]

Don't like that tbh, wouldn't make sense I feel. Like his connection with blackbeard more

[graceful fable]

Wanna call its foreshadowing?

[final ginkgo]

That too, just think it be interesting especially with how often he does stuff like that

[runic osprey]

Well im worried about whats gonna happen after kaidou defeat everyone will be death tired they will be very vulnerable

And if big mom doesnt get defeated this could get dirty

[modest skiff]

I hope so. My assumption when Luffy was knocked out when Kaido said “guess you’re not joyboy” was that his vivre card would indicate he needed support and they’d hop on their ships and go to Wano.

[severe edge]

Theory on how wano ends

I'll get straight to it. After kaido is defeated (he will be defeated) the marines will now enter wano. luffy will be very injured and not be able to fight anyone for a good while. The SHs will start to flee from wano but the marines will make this very hard now if momonosuke is capable of fighting he will fight the marines to help the SHs flee if he isn't then he'll most likely be commanding the samurai to do so but the samurai (even with momo) will not be enough to keep the marines at bay this is when the defeated kaido will come to help the SHs flee (this doesn't defy his character as we have seen it yet cause kaido is a proud warrior and he will accept his defeat and help the SHs escape as a "the least i can do rn to pay my respects to the one that defeated me" thing). BM will flee away as perospero will convince her to do so maybe with food or something else idk. While defending wano kaido will die (going back to the phrase "whitebeard did it right" as whitebeard too was protecting something and died protecting it, the best death a warrior can have) and with kaido's help wano will succeed in stopping the marines from taking over wano and yamato will join the SHs in all this chaos (sort of important for the "die while protecting something" part of kaido's death) and have a new born respect for his trash father.

[snow grove]

tbh i think sanji will lose one of his legs like his mentor

[severe edge]

with his new germa powers? no unless he does so to stop his germa powers which i doubt will stop from just that

[primal pivot]

what about opening up the land of wano to the world? @severe edge if he attacks the world government he makes his whole country the enemy

[outer edge]

The first half made me feel like something like triller bark
Where one problem ends and other starts with no one to help
But this theory does seem good but at the same time kinds predictable
Ngl even ur theory suits the part where kaido might help since he was pissed at old lady who pulled a dirty move on oden in his fight

• Kaido when drunk always just wants to die or go out guns blazing type mood.
  So although this looks pretty good it seems predictable
  And no one thought wg would come.
  If they can come
  I'm sure somone else who knws can come too

[severe edge]

the samurai are good enough to stop at least a few ships of the marines tbh tho it's a different story if they send a admiral or even a vice admiral

[outer edge]

What I want to knw is
Does akainu knw about this?
Lucci said higher ups
And this could be the elders and not akainu

Coz akainu would be like
Kill em alll
No just kill
Muhhahhaa

[severe edge]

cp0 works directly under the WG and not through the marines so I think akainu might not

[outer edge]

So if wg sending
Then shanks may knw about this
Since he had a talk with em

[primal pivot]

im not saying they couldnt fight them off but would it be in their interest? they wanna open the country not become the world's enemy. i think luffy and his crew gonna have to tag along with another crew/other people to get out of there

unless jimbei can pull off some crazy helmsman shit and avoid the marines

[outer edge]

And since 2 emperors are involved
Shanks will pbl intervene

[primal pivot]

yeah that could happen

[severe edge]

that is a possibility that they come under the WG's protection but going through a full monarchy thing i doubt it a bit

[outer edge]

And we need to find out what shanks was talking about with the wg
Like what he actually said

[severe edge]

doesn't mean he is allied with them

[outer edge]

Yes but he does knw

[severe edge]

in my theory no

[outer edge]

Btw something else

[severe edge]

he'll know through the newspaper maybe yes

[outer edge]

Kid lost to shanks
And then met kaido frm the fall right

[runic osprey]

Big mom will only flee if the marines send their powerhouse admirals but i think if big mom doesnt get defeated or ko by kid and law she will continue fighting she still has a grudge against luffy

[severe edge]

exactly why I said perospero will convince her to do so

perospero is smart and knows that they will be getting nowhere from being at wano when the marines arrive and yes she will still be on the lookout for luffy

[runic osprey]

I think she will clash with the marines which will give the straw hats time to escape

And depends on how damaged kaido will be he might join in

[left field]

What if Smoothie encounters a CP0 agent or a marine vice admiral or even admiral, and during the fight she learns from them that WCI got invaded and got its road poneglyph stolen

It’s possible that BB invaded WCI to steal the poneglyph and Katakuri failed to defend it

Knowing the WG they seem to have by far the most awareness of what’s happening besides ppl like Shanks and BB

Source: trust me bro

[velvet edge]

@pure raven if you made it best to post it in #promote-yourself rather than here homie

[modest skiff]

My impression is that his sudden Germa sturdiness is his lineage factor being rewritten and that’s why he was feeling weird. I don’t expect this to be something that turns off and on. I really like the idea of Sanji being a level of tankiness comparable to Zoro’s damage output. Luffy’s shield and sword.

[pure raven]

I kinda feel like zoro needs a heavy powerup to match sanji like maybe advanced coc

He learned armorment without knowing it existed so I don’t think it’s too far fetched

[mild oak]

i hope it happens

[mild oak]

plus it can also be that he is defeated and he always wanted to die so he might go and fight them just for dying and this time with a cause and not as hobby

[manic relic]

Now with Sanjis powerup. I see him have a confrontation leg vs leg with admiral kizaru

[autumn dune]

Hello, I was thinking that the former 3 members of Rocks Pirates have children and they somehow related with Luffy. Katakuri (Big Mom's son), Yamato (Kaido's son/daughter) and Weevil (Whitebeard's son). Yamato would join Luffy. Katakuri has sympathy and respects to Luffy. I'm not sure about Weevil since his mother controls him. What if 3 of them join to Luffy, does it make Luffy the new Xebec? Thanks in advance for the comments.

[autumn dune]

I don't know if this topic has been discussed or not.

[reef solstice]

assuming Boa and Weevil get captured by the marines, I can definitely see Luffy saving them and Weevil joining his side

[autumn dune]

I'm not sure about Weevil but Boa may surrender to protect the civilians in the Amazon Lily

[reef solstice]

yeah

idk Oda's intentions with Weevil to be honest, but it's really hard to picture him as an independent faction in the coming final saga

[severe edge]

i mean that's a really really forced parallel to someone it doesn't even make sense to parallel luffy to tbh

[pure raven]

I was thinking the same

Imean I guess u can use the D , but it’s not enough

[left field]

wado becomes black blade maybe?

[pure raven]

That’s something I’ve been waiting for since reading the time skip

I’d love to see something like that

[left field]

surprisingly enough Wano is doing way more with Sanji than I excpected but it's most certainly the first new world arc that's gonna give Zoro more attention

[dreamy rune]

Other than fighting queen he didn't do that much.

[left field]

On a power scaling perspective Oda wouldn't really need to be doing what he's doing with Sanji. His "powerup" (if that's what you want to call it) is much more unusual than the other SHs, and the fact that he seems to hate it is interesting. Sanji's change is def not for simply powering up, it has plot relevance, and since it involves scientific augmentation that could lead us to finally seeing Vegapunk

Oda's not trying to lead us to Sanji backstory part 3, he's trying to slowly bring in an important piece of the story by showing Sanji's body changes

[dreamy rune]

If judge and Queen is able to invent some powerful technology than imagine what vegapunk invention is going to be. Like I can't wait for SSG.

[left field]

Kaido himself said the WG is on the move and that they're confident they can put everything in control with the SSG

that's part of the reason why he allied with BM

the SSG is gonna be really powerful

[pure raven]

Pacifistas got an upgrade

[left field]

probably much more than just that

even though Vegapunk was a big part of making the SSG I feel like he's not gonna be an antagonist

I feel like Franky will get deserved spotlight once Vegapunk is in the story

[dreamy rune]

Yeah I don't think vegapunk is like a bad guy. More like he was forced to do those things for the wg.

There is another speculation that he is secretly working for revolutionary army.

[left field]

not that either, I feel like he simply grants peoples requests. WG prolly asked em to make the SSG, and he willingly did. When the WG asked him to memory-wipe Kuma, that's what he did. However, Kuma himself requested that Vegapunk make him protect the Sunny for 2 years before he fully loses memory, and Vegapunk also followed that request

[zinc schooner]

n this chapter GODA strikes again. He had revealed this happening to Sanji basically after the Time Skip: Sanji did train especially Observation Haki because he doesn't need Armament Haki it's already in-built in him

[vestal orbit]

so vegapunk is a genieus

[light onyx]

Yes

[stiff patrol]

What’s the SSG?

[mint prairie]

Special Science Group, Vegapunk's solution to the inherent problems the Ouka Shichibukai system presented (and the reason why the Shichibukai were disbanded and persecuted again).

@stiff patrol

[snow grove]

she was with luccy

she's joining her mama

[fathom matrix]

Do you think any of the ciphor pole agents have codewords?

Like if they're about to turn on their higher ups, kills a world nobel or whatever, another CP agent or someone else could say a command to stop them?

Like, maybe Kaku and Lucci went back to protect the CDs, cause a higher up or someone from CP-0 said a phrase to stop them in their tracks thinking "ok, you played this game long enough, time to come home"

Maybe they went back for reconditioning

[snow grove]

i think that cp0 are some high tech cyborg

[fathom matrix]

Like Who's who failed his mission and got captured, then escaped, so I doubt any ciphor pole agents could reach him to say those phrases.

As for Spandum? Maybe they're also specific to who's voice it is, and maybe Spandum wasn't recieved or trusted with any codes, as they would had to have been higher ups.

[fathom matrix]

I could see that. Maybe you rip off a mask and you see a cybernetic eye or a metal plate.

[snow grove]

yeah probably

luccy's df would've been a great addition to tobiropo

[queen arrow]

Lucci's df is a regular zoan so not really

[pure raven]

After Luffy defeats Kaido he will have no stamina left and will be too exhausted to fight while zoro is injured and getting carried by heal drugs rn rob lucci and his gang will gang bang the straw hats if he arrives

[devout wagon]

I say Luffy almost beats Kaido this round but instead of being Killed by Kaido hes "saved" by WG interference.

Kaido does ultimately die but in a backhanded way like how he beat Oden which goes against him wanting a grand death.

[amber oar]

The guy in the middle, probably. His "mask" seems to be part of his face and even has stubble.

The other two, I don't think so, that would be overusing the cyborg card. Either way the one on the left is probably a longarm, given how low his elbows are

[snow grove]

Oroshi shoted one of them straight to the head

[amber oar]

So did Queen to Marco and a random guy to Kizaru

And randos to Luffy at least twice per arc, tbh

[mild oak]

I think they're kids from big mom child hood someone said that earlier too

[snow grove]

Bigmom's pregnancy is a different story she's no ordinary women

[river acorn]

Agreed

But this is also one piece we’re talking so anything is pretty much possible

[amber oar]

No, he doesn't mean Big Mom's children. He means the kids that were in the orphanage with her.

[proud tree]

Sanji Niebelungenlied connections.

In the Niebelungenlied (an old German legend) there is a character called Siegfried. A Part of the legend is:

Siegfried travels to Iceland with his friend Gunther. "He quietly returns to the boat on which his group had sailed and retrieves his special cloak, which renders him invisible and gives him the strength of 12 men (Chapters 6–8). Siegfried, with his immense strength, invisibly leads Gunther through the trials."

A Cloak that gives his wearer strength and invisibility? That's similar to Sanjis Raidsuit! The similarities don’t end here:
• The legend also tells an unrelated tale about how Siegfried killed a dragon, bathed in its blood, and thereby received skin as hard as horn that makes him invulnerable. → That is Sanjis new Exoskeleton armor! But contrary to Sanjis protective armor Siegfried’s armor has one fatal weak spot: A hole in his armor at his Back.
• In the Opera “Siegfried” by Richard Wagner Siegfried knew no fear in his youth. But he is kind of a simp: At the sight of the first woman he has ever seen (Brünnhild), Siegfried at last experiences fear. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siegfried_(opera)
• In the Opera “Götterdämmerung” (twilight of the gods in English) Siegfried gets a** love potion** that lets him forget his previous love Brünnhilde and falls immediately in love with another women: This reminds me of **Pudding erasing Sanjis memories **of his last kiss. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Götterdämmerung#Act_1

Nieblungenlied source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibelungenlied
tldr; Sanjis Character is partly based on Siegfried and his cloak, a legendary hero from the Niebelungenlied.

[waxen dust]

good catch your connections are definitely accurate , anything else you found that can be a possibility tied into future ideas for Sanji?

[proud tree]

It gets more speculative here:
Siegfried bathed in dragons blood in the legend, that's how he got his invulnerable skin. Sanji obviously did not do this. Sanjis hardened skin powers are likely linked to manipulation of lineage factor.

In Kaidos first introduction scene the narrator tells us “When Skewered the Spear broke” (chapter 795), thats very similar to Queens sword shattering on Sanji in chapter 1028, could Sanjis (and his brothers) skin armor be based off Kaidous lineage factor extracted from his "dragon blood"? Is it really a perfect copy of Kaidos skin or is there a weakness similar how Siegfrieds armor was imperfect?

We know Vegapunk (and maybe Judge thorugh MADS) had access to Kaidos lineage factor (chapter 1007) an analogy to dragon blood . This theory could be destroyed if Judge only had access to dragon blood after Sanji was born.

[pure raven]

yikes did my message get deleted

[weak arrow]

@pure raven Make sure to keep all your messages in this channel serious. You've already been warned about this previously.

[pure raven]

that wasn't serious?

I was just asking for your thoughts because I recently watched a video on it

https://youtu.be/SfPSnXojaKM

[weak arrow]

And why did you ping me about it?

[pure raven]

because I think you're smart lol, you have a theory pinned in here

[proud tree]

Getting even more speculative:

I think Gunther in the Nibelungenlied legend is Usopp and Iceland stands for Elbaf (a pretty damn isolated Norse Viking village). If Oda really is inspired by Siegfrieds legend, Sanji could help Usopp in one trial (facing off against a superhuman strong women) using his invisible cloak and superhuman strength.

[pure raven]

but by deleting the message, you sorta indirectly called the theory dumb😖

[waxen dust]

You’re actually right about the Kaido lineage factor. That makes lots of sense especially given Vegapunk adapted an identical version of Kaido’s DF. For all we know Vegapunk modified a BETTER version of the devil fruit and we’ll soon see Momo use it to those extents. So if Judge had also gained accessed then that could mean the Vinsmoke’s exoskeleton have attributes taken from the scales of Kaido. Very interesting 🤔

[waxen dust]

hmm, that’s interesting and plausible given to whatever extents the current predicaments will be in Elbaf. I don’t know if Sanji fights a woman tho since he automatically loses. But there could be something for Sanji to offer with the Raid suit that helps either Luffy or Usopp in Elbaf.

[proud tree]

This theory can be disproven if we know WHEN Kaidos lineage factor was extracted. When it was extracted after Sanji was born ... the theory is dead.

[waxen dust]

yeah exactly, I think we’ll be getting these answers in regards to Kaido and Vegapunk very soon. Especially if there’s a possibility of Vegapunk actually being on one of the incoming WG ships. He’s been referred too many times this arc to not have some sort of impact or provide us with some insights about his character.

[proud tree]

another connection Siegfried to Sanji: Siegfried was rased by his non biological father.... but in the legend Siegfried kills his "fake" father after attempted poisoning, so there are definitely differences to the legend too.

[waxen dust]

Oda is known to mix legends up and add his own twists to them, but it definitely is looking like Siegfried has some inspirations for the Sanji character. Maybe there are other characters in Niebelungenlied who also add to Sanji’s character or possibly other One Piece characters. Gunther’s story may have some more inspiration to Sanji as well than just Usopp too

[proud tree]

But iirc Kaido ruled over Wano the last 20 years uninterrupted. Sanji is 21 years old .... So Kaidos lineage factor must have been extracted in prison approximatly 21 years ago for this to make sense.

[waxen dust]

I mean it doesn’t necessarily have to been when Kaido was captured, because truthfully I always looked at Kaido’s actions with Vegapunk being voluntary than the WG acting on the opportunity themselves. Especially since Kaido began trading SMILEs shortly after taking over Wano, I would think he seen Vegapunk’s experimentations with DFs already and decided he wanted to do the same with an army of his own. But since he used Caesar they didn’t turn out as well.

I definitely could see Kaido offering his blood or whatever was needed prior to coming to Wano

[unique fox]

so recently we found out that the world government is going to try to annex wano and they've been wanting to do for a while I imagine. This theory is about how wano may escape that threat, I can see two possibilities that the world government would pass on it, 1. mominoske(think I just botched that spelling, sorry) declares independence though I doubt it due to imm(botched again I think) possibly giving the order due to him wanting the ponoglyth(botched it, very sorry) . 2. This one is a little more creative, basically I think mominoske after he finishes holding up the island and dealing with that, he may be in enough condition to fool the world government that kaido is still pretty good shape to defend the island because well most people spectating think kaido's going to win and I don't think it'll be that farfetched to say momo can do that until Luffy's well rested and then possibly some of the stragglers of the beast pirates or the grand fleet will confirm the fall of kaido or at least that Luffy's alive and possibly big mom, big mom might even also be fooled but she will realize shortly after and then Luffy just done some outlandish feet or action like going through big mom's territory or the newspaper place to say that wano's now under his rule

[pure raven]

What if it's just luffy and the rest declaring wano under their protection

Or there was even a theory that the RA will show up in wano

[neat marten]

I think momo’s just gonna chest up and declare that wano has a new ruler and such

Fear is a good weapon just whip out his dragon form and I’m sure the message will get across

[pure raven]

Mark my words!! Luffy’s awakening theory!!! Kaido hits Luffy with Thunderbagua and sets him flying, Luffy will then turn the ground into a trampoline and bounce right back at Kaido with more speed and power. Is the most funny and logical use of the awakening… the more you bounce around, the more you accelerate.

[light onyx]

Yeh tbh I thought he would awaken in final battle

[neat marten]

Kinda of a double edged sword tho it would be difficult to control movement

The thing is we’ve only seen a few awakenings so we can’t really make any conclusions as to what exactly his ability would be

[zealous brook]

Started re reading Marineford. I think people overrated Blackbeard. He wasn't even top5 in Marineford.

[junior cape]

Well we know in round 3, when he got thrown off the island, Luffy tried SOMETHING that Kaido mocked as clumsy. My guess is he tried some complex application of Advanced Conqueror's Haki, perhaps a mix of it and Gear 4, it whiffed dramatically, and he got his ass beat.

[zealous brook]

Awakening is not happening until final war I guess. Wano is focused on CoC

[neat marten]

Mid top tier

[light onyx]

Turn surroundings into rubber

[zealous brook]

Exactly.

[junior cape]

Let me be clear, Luffy doesn't NEED another powerup like Gear 5 to succeed here. He just needs to better apply the tools he already has. Giving him powerup after powerup over the course of a battle and claiming it's "organic" is just lazy writing.

[pure raven]

Awakening is happening in this ark. Mark my words.

[light onyx]

Luffy already has ryuo I think that’s enough

[pure raven]

There’s no1 stronger than Kaido in a 1v1

[junior cape]

Yeah

[neat marten]

Nope

[zealous brook]

What other powerup left after awakening?

[pure raven]

Shanks, he also lost to oden

[neat marten]

Higher chance of a new gear than awakening

[light onyx]

Until luffy shows up and knocks him out

[junior cape]

This. He might start noticing changes near the end of the ark, maybe he feels a bit funny, but he WILL NOT awaken during the raid. That would just be a bit much.

[pure raven]

New gear when we go agains the Gov. Is kinda foreshadowing that the gov has 5 dots on the flag.

[zealous brook]

Luffy still isn't able to control gear4 like he can control gear3 so he needs to completely master g4 without time limit. Than we can see g5 happening.

[light onyx]

Yeah awakening during the raid seems too much oda would save something very important for last

[junior cape]

yeah

[pure raven]

No limit g4 is replacing haki with coc.

[light onyx]

He could come up with a different from of g4

[pure raven]

The downgrades of g4 is using tooo much haki.

[light onyx]

So make a form that doesn’t use as much but is pretty strong

[wet perch]

Wonder if awakening will be Gear: Reverse

[light onyx]

Like rubbing a person out of existence ?

[outer edge]

Gear 5 : Eraser man

[junior cape]

The entire point of G4 is massive short-term power with a time limit. It is, as a powerup, meant to be this way. G2/G3 both had immediate and noticeable drawbacks when they were introduced, and G4 is no different. Yes Luffy has managed to mitigate the drawbacks of those forms, but he also tries to limit their use substantially. He never full-bodies on G2 for very long, saving it for burst damage or finishers. Same with G3. G4 is for when he's fighting people out of his league, and needs to shape up. It's meant to be temporary.

[neat marten]

lol The scaling would be off the charts stupid move

[pure raven]

Coating things with coc is giving Luffy the edge. Now he has to master coated coc punches with internal damage with ryou

[light onyx]

To me scaling doesn’t matter the whole series is broken

[zealous brook]

Luffy become Deadpool and starts rewriting Oda's masterpiece.

[outer edge]

Not yet
But is going to after seeing sanji

[wary fossil]

Let’s keep it serious in here

[neat marten]

The thing is if he did whip this up in wano there would be literally no threat for luffy he’d be the strongest if such a concept were to come to fruition

[light onyx]

Unless ur some fast guy or someone who can attack long rage or somebody that can disable his devil fruit or immune to his devil fruit(there probably is a fruit)

[outer edge]

If u think that is strongest then we hav other ppl who we hav no knowledge about in terms of combat
And they can hav even more ridiculous power
Hence breaking the scaling system

[light onyx]

Plus the awakening could have huge drawbacks

[neat marten]

Why would it have drawbacks

[light onyx]

To not make it too op ig lmfao

[outer edge]

Ah yes
The with great power comes great draw back that doesn't matter as time progresses

[light onyx]

[outer edge]

Just like G2
Which is getting abused like crazy now
So much for drawback

[neat marten]

An awakening is using your fruit to the best of its ability drawbacks would be unnecessary hence why I think it would be near EOS that he would awaken gum gum

[outer edge]

All of luffy's gear have drawbacks on first appearance and now they don't
And they can explain this by him perfecting the technique which led to this

[wet perch]

Wonder if awakening involves ryou, but applied to the devil fruits “wavelength” or whatever. Reverse its flow and force it into your surrounding environment.

[outer edge]

How many CoC users do we knw
Since the start
Plz name if anyone can

[light onyx]

Roger luffy yamato zoro that’s all I know

[neat marten]

Don chinjao
Shanks
Big mom
Kaido
Roger
Yamato
Rayleigh
Luffy
Zoro
Ace
Katakuri
Oden

[outer edge]

U forgot boa

[light onyx]

Boa has conquers Haki ?

[grizzled fog]

Yes she does

[light onyx]

I must have forgot

[rough ferry]

Kidd

Garp dragon shiki rocks sengoku blackbeard probably too. Mihawk probably also dofflamingo.

[grizzled fog]

Mixing in a lot of speculated users with confirmed ones there

[outer edge]

Yes that too

But with this we find a similarity between yonko
Bm CoC
Kata CoC
Kaido CoC
Now yama CoC
Luffy CoC
Zoro reveal that he may hav CoC

Was it proved that Ace had CoC

[grizzled fog]

Yes

[outer edge]

Kaido already said
That's too many CoC users

Worse gen has 2 confirmed CoC already

[rough ferry]

Pretty sure they all had conquerrors tho

Or are u gonna tell me nah

[grizzled fog]

Okay. Doesn’t change the fact that they’re by no means confirmed

[rough ferry]

Ya still cant deny they have it tho. Confirmed or not

[safe swift]

Monkey man? or Gorilla man I guess

[outer edge]

No he just looks like ur average eraser

[hearty forum]

Yooooo, yall think Hawkins will be beaten with the fire that's coming down? I only remember people stabbing him and that's what hurts his little voodoo dolls or whatever. But what if he gets burnt and that's his weakness because ya know straws burn and stuff? Idk, maybe. Sounds possible but we'll see what happens

[idle meadow]

Who would be able to handle the marine ships?

Big mom fleet?

[idle meadow]

Ace had Coc when he was younger.

[zinc iris]

Awakening is a sidegrade

[runic osprey]

Dolflamingo

And naguri has it too

[split glacier]

Depends how beaten the rest are at that point. SH pirates will be out of the question, Samurai too weak and/or dead, Law and Kid's crews are kinda trash without them. BM pirates or another group from outside are the only real options. And that depends if BM is still 100% from fighting Kid and Law.

[ripe nebula]

I heard somewhere Shanks having golden color haki

[teal nymph]

can any of the admirals use advanced Coc ? if not will they not be at a disadvantage against it ?

[ripe nebula]

Kidd and law just can't defeat BM, someone will help them

She must be at 90 or 99% after fighting them

[tulip laurel]

they must be able to else they will be weak for upcoming story

[ripe nebula]

Tbh akainu don't deserve CoC

[split glacier]

Didn't say they would.

[ripe nebula]

Yea, was saying

Will Marco help them or what

[tulip laurel]

nah i think marco is done with his part

[ripe nebula]

CP-0 vs BM?

[teal nymph]

BM wipes the floor with cp0

[ripe nebula]

I guess it's Oda vs BM

[teal nymph]

i honestly don't see BM going down this arc

[ripe nebula]

Then maybe , SHs vs BM at Elbaf arc?

Will be fitting for her defeat there

[teal nymph]

yeah

[tulip laurel]

yes right place to end her

[ripe nebula]

Will also be Usopp's arc

[teal nymph]

i think kaido vs luffy & BM vs law,kidd will conclude simultaneously but after that what will happen ? will BM join her children at flower capital and stick around till luffy / momo sort things out about wano and then attack Sh as they leave wano to follow then to elbaf ? but then there is Cp0 and now even marines coming

[visual merlin]

maybe, and if not it'll be like any power someone doesn't have

a disadvantage but you could also call not having a fruit a disadvantage for shanks (as an example)

[tropic surge]

What fire?

[teal nymph]

true shanks is an exception but most of the ppl will probably fight WG have df along with adv Coc

[visual merlin]

Thats not what I mean, I mean that Coc is the same as that

its an ability 1 character has but the other doesn't, but that isn't necessarily something of significance

like, Kaido doesn't have advanced Armament, but the admirals do

[teal nymph]

well imo adv Coc far out classes the other 2 types

[fathom matrix]

I could see Yamato seeing Orochi in the armory

Like he's about to set off all the explosives

Cause he's sick of kaido, sick of wano, sick of losing everything, so he's absolutely just done and decides to blow everything sky high early

[spring heart]

Garp is stated to not have CoC haki and is stated to be equal to roger

[lean pine]

We don't know if any of them can but I would be willing to say akainu could

The only Marine with conquers we know of so far is sengoku

[tender mulch]

Where it says that garp doesn't have coc? I don't remember oda saying anything that garp doesn't have coc. Also garp is on Roger level doesn't mean they are equal.

[lean pine]

Garps vivre card doesn't list it, also we don't even know if he's Roger level

But it could not list it because it could be supposed to be a major twist or something

[tiny ocean]

does the inherited will theory still stand after 10+ years?

[tender mulch]

I think that might be reason. if he has a df or swordsman I don't think he would need coc. But that guy using punch without any df. So it would be surprising if he doesn't have that.

[tender mulch]

I think it's on manga or maybe on sbs it says that there is only 2 people who were on Roger level. And that's whitebeard and garp.

[visual merlin]

the only person ever stated to be equal to roger was WB

[runic osprey]

And rocks d xebec

[grim stone]

That would be having Garp maxed out with his Advanced Haki, also he is past his prime now.

[visual merlin]

besides that, we know sengoku and garp were strong enough to be fun for roger

but not necessarily that they were his level, let alone equal to him

[tender mulch]

We can assume that garp is the strongest marine. Also he fought with Roger against rocks.

[lean pine]

Yeah where was garp and rocks stated to be equal, they were just stated to come in conflict with Roger. Shiki and rodger came into conflict all the time is he equal to Roger

[visual merlin]

the strongest marine can be weaker than roger, and fighting with roger against rocks doesn't mean he was as strong as the prime version of roger

[lean pine]

Akainu strongest marine

[grim stone]

Advanced CoC just came into play during the Roof battles, there could be some disadvantages to them if any in future encounters of just advanced arms vs advanced conq

[visual merlin]

Garp was probably equal with Sengoku, or around that

[runic osprey]

I dont think he is a coc haki user. I think he fully focused on his armanent haki which probably was one of the best if not the best during his prime

[tender mulch]

I don't mean that he is equal to Roger but he can be close to him. Like luffy is yonko level doesn't mean he is equal to kaido.

[visual merlin]

Well sure, but I wouldn't consider luffy yonko level either

Even in terms of being on level, its never stated garp was on roger's

[runic osprey]

But my question is how did garp and roger duel did they do it in a pure fist fight or did roger use his sword

[lean pine]

In one piece people are closer power wise it just depends on situations and how they use powers. Strategy matters more than raw power. That's why Luffy can defeat stronger opponents like crocodile when he defeated him

[tender mulch]

Sky splitting is a hint that oda gave us that he is on yonko level. But that doesn't mean he is going to fight kaido equally. Its more like u know kaido is going to overpower him but still luffy will able to keep up with him

I think luffy still going to need a new gear form. Like that form should be stronger than gear 4 boundman.

[fathom matrix]

I actually don't want him to have it, it would be interesting to show he has no intensions at all to be on top or strive to be the best at anything, and he kinda wants to play it safe a bit.

cause he wants freedom and being an admiral is kinda like being a slave to the DCs but with luxary

[chilly dragon]

Watch Lucci and the WG sink the Big Momma Chanter and everyone on it, and Big Mom is pissed

[lean pine]

I don't think many more characters will get conquerors except maybe akainu and mihawk maybe benn Beckman and blackbeard. Also garp not having it can show non-conquerors users can still clash with conquer users

[fathom matrix]

OHOHOHOO, I would love it if black beard had it. Like if Luffy or Shanks laughed at Blackbeard and him shouting "WHAT'S SO FUNNY?" and they say "You can't used coc, can you? Guess that means you're not destined to be on top, or even pirate king"

I doubt Luffy would be that sinical, but he might be childish and say "for a yonko, I would have thought you'd have coc, guess I was wrong"

[light onyx]

Blackbeard not having coc means he’s not fit to be a ruler ? ( that makes sense ig)

[fathom matrix]

not fit, not destined, plus he cheated and betrayed his way to the top

[light onyx]

Fair

[fathom matrix]

everyone else pushed themselves and nearly died getting to where they are, BB stole 2 fruits off his "family", and most likely got refered to as an emporter because of that too, and hell, he didn't even beat WB by himself, he needed his whole crew, and even then the man was on the bring from 3 admirals, thousands of soldiers, a magam fist to the stomach and face, his disease, poor health.

BB just put down someone who was gonna eventually die anyways

[acoustic helm]

Garps use of armament might be on another lvl

[fathom matrix]

I still think it would be interesting if BB discovered a way to have his crew have 2 DF powers and when we get to the Pirate Paradise arc (calling the name now, that's what I think it is) it turns out the main members of the BB crew have 2 devil fruit powers.

And when they ask how, they say "WEEEHAAA, sorry kiddo, that's a secret for the titanic captains only"

[pure raven]

my theory, after wano, Luffy bounty will be 5 Billion berry below SHirohige. Strawhats will go to save sabo, hancock, vivi at marineford. But strawhats not enough to beat World Government. So Luffy called out his 5k Fleet during beat Doflamingo if i not mistaken, maybe Trafalgar Law will join him. This time, luffy will win and brings sabo safely without any serious injury. Luffy bounty become 5.5 or 6 Billion berry after Marineford War. But this times, Luffy disappeared for months maybe year on route to Raftel. Luffy gets illness or sickness when approaching Raftel, Chopper find the solutoin and create antidote for Luffy. At this moment, we know Shanks is Tenryoubito's Blood but he a guy of free, he like freedom and not sitting in the castle. Finally Luffy and crews found Raftel. Luffy has become the Pirate King but he mission to find the weapon and Fleet for War with World Government. Everything is destiny that luffy and his crews are destined for the change of World and D clan. Franky actually still remember the Ship blueprint that Pluton weapon. Probably, Luffy will tour the world idk for what, maybe he will do tour, and brings Shirahoshi to Island, at that times, Shirahoshi can control Sea Kings. At that moment, Robbin found out that Luffy is Uranus. So they literally have the 3 weapon Pluton, Poseidon, and Uranus. They decided to attack World Government after they knew the history. Probably Luffy will fight against Shanks or ally with him. Shanks will choose to side with Luffy or Goverment. At last, Luffy win the battle, but the end. Blackbeard know at the end both of Luffy and Im sama are weak. Blackbeard go for attck luffy.

At that moment, Luffy very weak after beat Im sama. so Shanks up versus Blackbeard. Unfortunately, Shanks dead but blackbeard because Blackbeard play dirty, he cheated the fight. Luffy wake up again and angry, and all out fight Blackbeard. Luffy win the bloody battle between D power. Blackbeard also master of Haoshoku haki clash without touch. At the end, the world turn to normal.

[spring heart]

I mean Oda didn't state that garp has CoC haki

[mint prairie]

As much as I like the idea of Uranus having something to do with Enel/Moon, it is interesting to entertain the possibility it might be a person, just like Shirahoshi-hime. That being said, I also would like Uranus to be something new entirely. We've already got a man-made weapon in Pluton and an actual, living person in Shirahoshi-hime, so I'd like Uranus to be something related to either nature or a non-weapon artefact.

Also I am a strong believer the Thousand Sunny-go was made based on Pluton and it wouldn't be impossible for her and Franky to compete with the actual Pluton, were it brought out ー which might be why there was an incident involving the Nefertari family, as a move towards finally procuring the ancient weapon.

Also: Most people believe Luffy's final bounty will be 5.6 billion, barely above Roger's and making the 56 = Gomu pun. Afterwards, if the GW is brought down, that would tear the bounty system down, wouldn't it? Luffy's would remain as the highest bounty and he keeps the pun. Just food for thought.

[real swan]

I like the idea of sunny being a mini pluton, especially since we're shown it has the power to obliterate a small town if it wanted to

[left field]

so remember how all throughout the series Sanji's body would get all wavy when he'd say things like "MELORIIINNNEEE!"? Even though it's a gag, what if his body movement in those scenes foreshadowed his genetic augmentation that chapter 1028 revealed

example: https://youtu.be/hSsiNd1L-50

[outer edge]

Can't even let the gags slide by us now?
Darn foreshadowings

[real swan]

Same energy as the nami having armament haki cause she can hurt other crew members or usopp somehow surviving everything that should easily kill him

[left field]

well you only foreshadow things if they're significant enough to the plot

like Sanji calling himself Prince in Alabasta foreshadowed the fact that he was a prince of Germa66

but you wouldn't really need to make Nami's long-running gag foreshadow having armament haki, cause what meaning would that have to the story besides being a powerup

[uncut topaz]

who is king?

[modest skiff]

What makes you think King is anything other than a new character?

[uncut topaz]

idk but its big mystery

[modest skiff]

I think its more likely King is hiding a component to his identity similar to Hancock, where he perhaps used to be a slave or something. Since we know he's been with Kaido for a while, I don't think he's someone we've already seen

[tropic surge]

People have crazy theories about him. One said what if he's been skinned alive other said what if his race also had curly brows

[waxen dust]

I honestly still think my theory that King is a former Celestial Dragon slave. It perfectly aligns with the idea of hiding his body and why he’s got a sadistic fetish

[modest skiff]

yeah former CD slave feels the more likely scenario at the moment. Especially if he's Lunarian and we know the Lunarians were expelled from the Red Line by the CDs. Lots of indication he is from a persecuted race, which tends to mean being a slave as well

[tropic surge]

I like the idea of having his race design somehow have the devil fruit type of curls

We already went through the slave scenario with Boa, so kinda hoping for something new

Also with the fishermen

[round heron]

There was even a gag in thriller bark where sanji set on fire lol

[outer edge]

So zoro being lost is also a foreshadowing in some weird way
Plus there is this one theory that I had
Where zoro always told luffy when he used to abuse zoro
That he would kill him and that ends up actually being true at the end

[modest skiff]

After Zoro offering his life to Kuma to save Luffy, saying he has no purpose if he can't protect his own captain, the idea of Zoro killing Luffy makes zero sense. Zoro is loyal and admires Luffy. There is no lurking resentment and he's freely put his life on the line for Luffy many times

[rugged cove]

thats a joke i suppose

[outer edge]

Ofc not killing as a sign of betrayal

[modest skiff]

So then what do you mean?

[outer edge]

Something that may lead to him choosing death by zoro

After latest chapter
Anything is possible

[modest skiff]

I agree that if there was some scenario where someone needed to kill Luffy by Luffy's request, Zoro would likely be the one to do it, but I don't think we have any real indication that will happen. If we looked at the number of times a character said "i'll kill you", specifically Nami, I think we would assume everyone would kill each other. Overall I don't think we have any reason to think that will happen

[pure raven]

unless luffy gets the disease more fatal than the one roger had. he might request zoro to kill him instead of handing himself in to wg

[pure raven]

that sounds crazy! where can I read that 😆 '

[narrow slate]

hahaha what

this chat is amazing

[foggy pelican]

I am curious as to what peoples opinions are on the possibility of Robin being captured by the world government. Imo it would feel a little repetitive of past arcs but I am lost as to what would happen for them to not succeed in at least one of their goals, whether it be to annex Wano or get Robin.

[prime wing]

Wano will probably join the WG even if cp0 fails, because Strawhats and crew are going to open up Wano

Which make it more accessible to the world

[foggy pelican]

That would make sense to me but wasn't cp0 there in the first place to secure an arms deal or something with Orochi? I just assumed that WG would be a replacement to Kaido and be just as oppressive if they took over.

Or would it be more of a fishman island scenario where they choose to take part at things like reverie?

[prime wing]

No cp0 had 2 goals, capture Nico Robin and have Wano join WG

Assuming I’m remembering right

[modest skiff]

I think its possible she ends up on a ship, but I don't think she will make it to a WG facility. More likely case is this ends up being an opportunity to showcase how far the straw hats have come. They will easily dispatch CP0 and it will be a crowning moment for Luffy and his crew: they defended a member and rejected the WG's ability to kidnap Robin. It will be a form of additional confirmation of Luffy as a Yonko

[foggy pelican]

That would be interesting to see, idk who would be able to fight them off, as at the end of the raid they will all be pretty wiped.

[modest skiff]

I think they'll be pretty wiped and I think that is why CP0 is rubbing their ugly little hands together in anticipation. But I think this will be a show of force which tells the WG they simply can't mess with the SHs the way they used to. Lucci is old news, even with his garbage power up. Luffy and his crew are ahead of him. I think Franky/Brook will be sufficient to dispatch Lucci and his garbage crew

I also think Nami is sufficient to beat Lucci because I think Zeus is way stronger than Lucci. Zeus is an absolute wrecking ball and represents the biggest power boost in the series IMO, other than Luffy's

[foggy pelican]

True also Sanji with his new iron skin may be more fresh after his fight with queen than Zoro. So I’m excited to see where it’s going.

[modest skiff]

Yeah Sanji taking an axe to the neck with the strength of a yonko commander behind it (no haki coating through) certain indicates he has reached a totally new level of durability. He doesn't seem fatigued right now. I think its totally possible he dispatches Queen without any major issue. And if Germa tech includes recovery, Sanji may be the clean up crew.

That being said, I think the WG ships end up intercepted by BM crew.

[foggy pelican]

Idk if it’ll be no issue cause it would seem a bit unbalanced if Zoro has some trouble with King and Sanji wipes the floor with Queen. But Zoro may also be struggling because of his fight with Kaido, so who knows.