manga-theories

[amber oar]

Orochi was already there when Oden visited Yasuie, and that was right after he was disowned (41 years ago)

Oh and now I check, he was 13

[zinc iris]

I would have bet on higuarshi having been a rocks member

Hence the connection to Shiki and Kaido

[ancient vault]

Doubt it. If she wanted to revenge on kurozomi she wouldve said so. What was the point of just brushing it off and not telling orochi?

[sinful wedge]

For things that can go either way, why do people tend to go for the more boring route?

Is it to temper expectations or just to be wet blankets?

[zinc iris]

What do you mean?

[sinful wedge]

A few examples from the top of my head- the answer to Kaido being an oni (or some other race) or a human was usually people thinking he was just a human

When so many potential cues have been there for it and it would bring up so many interesting avenues for his character

But the consensus would usually be that it's just a prop/people like humans have it, so don't get too excited

Things of that nature

[zinc iris]

!horns

[lone hedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/486983010025996299/703457603887300608/unknown.png

[zinc iris]

It's just that functionally he's the same as a horned human

[modest skiff]

Now that we know Kaido is an Oni, this doesn’t feel as accurate anymore

[zinc iris]

Especially as human as strong as him exist so it wasn't even necessary for him to be a nonhuman

Him being an Oni honestly doesn't change much :tHONK:

[sinful wedge]

It does, it brings in a whole new potential angle of oni's and their role in the story

[zinc iris]

And in terms of daring originally many people speculated he was an actual dragon with an Oni DF

[sinful wedge]

Now THAT was bs,a shapeshifting creature had nothing going for it

[zinc iris]

Until Yamato showed up confirming the humanoid Kaido was his true form

[zinc iris]

Eh?

[modest skiff]

Before the idea was that some stuff has horns without it indicating unique genetics. For a long time people said Kaido was some kinda human. Now we know he’s not and it means horns can indicate genetics

[ancient vault]

depending on his motivation

[sinful wedge]

What I mean is that people usually proposed that Kaido was an actual Dragon who could shapeshift to an oni

That's what I called bs

[weak arrow]

Basically people were trying to explain kaido's incredible durability, and having a human base does not make sense for that unless he was akin to Big Mom. However, it would be very odd for 2 different yonko to basically start with the same baseline as you would want pretty much every yonko to feel unique, so people were trying to find other avenues for durability. It seems one of kaido's mythical abilities allows him to have his dragon's scales durability in human form is the best explanation I've surmised for it personally. That theory was just one of the theories that could explain why he was still durable in human form.

[native flower]

i feel like atthis point in the story most races and characters can be rationalized to some extent

i was going to say something about minks being part human but apparently they arent or something but they can breed with them? idk whats going on but i was going to assume people like masira were like 1/4 mink or something

[weak arrow]

Yeah, if we look at it from a scientific perspective, every race is the same species, but just have some different characteristics, since they can all have offspring with one another and share blood. I don't think Oda really thinks that heavily on that topic though.

[native flower]

i honestly think that is more than sufficient, and a characters race is just whatever they have the most of

[zinc iris]

Well not necessarily, even in reality hybrids can breed true

It's a matter of chromosome count

[weak arrow]

I imagine that all offspring are viable in one piece

[zinc iris]

Well definitely

[zinc iris]

Basically an hybrid has a number of chromosome that is the arithmetic average of the parent species
Infertility usually happens when this ends up being an odd number as it impedes meiosis, and this is what happens with mules (they have 63)
But if the hybrid has an even number (like ligers) then they are not an infertile species

[queen arrow]

not on the Kurozumi for the Kurozumi, and that is pretty much what she talks about with the plan, also i don't see why she would go after 2 Kurozumi orphans to execute the plan if it's not personal in a way

[zinc iris]

Because it was easier to convince them by exploiting the revenge motive

[queen arrow]

but why get them involved at all when you can shapeshift

[fading kraken]

Just wanted to post another foreshadowing by ODA.

So, you seen in Thriller bark when zoro fight Ryuma. The mummy had one eye covered. And now in Wano we know why.

[amber oar]

Ah, I thought their number had to match full stop. For example both dogs and wolves have 78 so they can produce fertile offspring

[zinc iris]

basically the only requirement is that they are equivalent modulo 4

however having the exact same number is pretty convenient because then they can mix indefinitely

so if we were to use real world genetics maybe all the humanoid species of the one piece world have the same number of chromosomes

[amber oar]

I'm inclined to think all the humanoid species -including fishmen and merfolk- are very closely related, and fishmen just evolved to acquire fishlike (or sea creatures in general) features

We haven't seen any mink hybrid so we don't know about them, but they may be the same with furry mammal features. Plus they seem to father random types of mink (I mean Pekoms's parents are a monkey and a bear)

Pekoms' dad looks younger than him

[native flower]

i think they work the same way fishmen do where like u might just get hit with a recessive gene and be a different animal
or his mom is a lion

[zinc iris]

and there also are alien spieces

[amber oar]

no, his mom is a bear

[native flower]

well there u go

[zinc iris]

birkans, skypieans, and shandians are all from the moon

likely lunarians too

[native flower]

but no fire on the moon

[zinc iris]

and maybe minks?

[amber oar]

we haven't seem them mixed with humans

Ah right, there was a mink-like creature in the moon

[zinc iris]

well I'm pretty sure the sky people can cross with humans and there is some of them in big mom's family

minks have this connection with the actual moon that makes me think they are from it

[native flower]

i wonder how if we'll ever see another character vore someone for their devilfruit

[maiden lynx]

I believe that Go D. Usopp will be a real thing at series end. Not in the meme way, but in that I think that the entire Strawhat crew will inherit the will of D. Because it has been shown that inherited will is not a matter of blood, so if all the Strawhats are to opposed the Celestial Dragons, become the enemies of god, then having all of them that the initial might be a good bit of symbolism.

[zinc iris]

I still stand by the claim that's how the Blackbeard pirates steal DF abilities

[maiden lynx]

go to horny jail

[zinc iris]

by cannibalizing some body part of the person they want the steal the power from

when they are dying, hijacking the DF reformation process

[native flower]

i think blackbeard does something using the darkness power and the affected parts

[zinc iris]

like under the blanked maybe BB reached out inside WB's hole in the chest and ate his heart

[native flower]

i really think thats what he did

using the darkness he like pulled it out and put it in himself

[zinc iris]

burgess was going to steal luffy's df without BB being there so it's not how he did it

[native flower]

when was that? i thought he was just going after the fire

[zinc iris]

yeah after that, when luffy was weakened for G4 going out, he tried to murder him to take the gomu gomu as it could be useful and sabo stopped him

[native flower]

ohh i meant for him in particular

cus yeah i think burgess would literally consume like a part of luffy and gain his power, cus big mom did that to mother carmel, i think blackbeard needed it for himself tho cus u cant put two in urself naturally it would destroy you

[zinc iris]

even then Marco claimed that BB being able to have 2 powers is from some anomaly in his body rather than being the df

[native flower]

hmm idk anything bout that

i thought like consuming another devilfruit when u have one would straight kill u, and i assumed the same of consuming an organ

yeah ur right this motherfucker is built different

[pure raven]

I wonder if maybe the fruit itself can be maybe extracted from the body of the user

But bb eating 2 is separate

[desert hatch]

lol i hope vegapunk shows up and fixes all the smile users. don’t really see that happening tho😂

[safe plover]

Nice theory

[modest skiff]

He didn't claim, he theorized without much confidence

[zinc iris]

yes usually a person eating a second df dies, in fact BB has done something apparently impossible, and is likely tied to other oddities like the fact that he allegedly never sleeps

a common idea is that he's in some manner "two" people at once that "take turns" at controlling the body

[amber oar]

And yet he doesn't seem to have multiple personalities. He has never done anything that looks out of character. At the very least, he's a single consciousness.

[real swan]

The only thing I'd say is that in impel down he talks about not fearing death and leaving things to fate, then when confronting WB he's panicking and trying to play the son card.

I've got a quick theory if this hasn't been brought up yet. I think something a bit humorous Oda might do is have Nami and Robin develop observation haki out of annoyance of the fact Sanji could be peeping at them at any time now. Nami especially as she's now dealt with 2 perverts who can turn invisible

[modest skiff]

I think a few people have wondered if Nami has some form of obs haki due to her totally insane ability to predict/understand weather. We are told pretty explicitly that no one in the world (that we know of) can predict weather to the extent that she can. Obs haki might be a part of that. Similar to how armament haki has a lot of different things you can do with it, I think it is possible that obs haki has a few different niche uses. So perhaps Nami has a natural ability to use obs haki in a way that predicts weather but not other things.

[real swan]

That could be pretty interesting as Obs haki is used to detect intent , or voices, of things, so I'm not entirely sure how it can be used to detect the weather.

[modest skiff]

I think its possible obs haki ends up being broadened as "sensing" which can go all sorts of ways. So it could be that Nami senses certain things that other people don't. Perhaps some people sense emotions better, some people predict movement better, etc

similar to how armament haki can make you strong, or it can explode things from the inside, or it can be used as a semi-ranged attack. obs haki could have similar flexibility or different applications

[real swan]

That might get a bit weird imo because Obs haki can be trained. So it wouldn't make sense that every New World navigator isn't trained to detect weather patterns at that level.

Though, I guess a counter-argument to that would be with that logic, why isn't everyone just sensing the future like katakuri?

I've got one mega theory I've been thinking about for a while that quite literally everything in the world somehow has intent or a will, or can be given a will. That could play perfectly into that.

[modest skiff]

Obs haki might be the reason Zoro is able to emulate other people's moves so easily. He basically watched Kinemon and was able to apply his fire taming style

[real swan]

I like that reasoning actually, it was interesting he figured it out so easily and it makes sense that he knew how to do it cause he sensed the intent of how to do it from Kinemon.

[modest skiff]

yeah, I have a similar theory that I haven't been able to nail down. I think intent/will may be inherent to all things, but it might also only be bestowed upon things that are given a soul, live a sword that someone uses for many years or a teapot that is passed down for many generations, or a boat that is deeply loved

I haven't been able to decide if I think everything has a soul or if souls need to be bestowed upon non-sentient objects through an object that already has a soul, like a person

[hoary ice]

what big mom does to a mf

[real swan]

Well, since we seem to have the same idea, I'll share some thoughts I had about that. Some things to think about:

-Devil fruits understand when someone else has one already and manifest themselves when the user passes.
-Vivre cards, despite having an explanation for how they're made, seem to be able to know exactly where the person is and their current life force. They also move towards them.
-Inanimate objects give off the Voice of all Things, as Roger could detect the poneglyphs that way.
-Inanimate objects can be given devil fruits, which implies they have lineage factor and possibly a will.
-Weapons made legendary by others can have their will be detected in them
-Objects infused by someone's will, or haki enough will permanently be affected by it.

A lot of this story seems to imply that people are able to permanently infuse their will into anything they want which can also be used later down the line.

[pure raven]

Say they did survive, Clover in particular. What kinda of bounty do you think they would give him for knowing the name of the Ancient Kingdom? (Not saying the government knows or it's a necessity) But you mention the reason why Dragon is regarded as the worst criminal is because he has this information that the WG doesn't want getting out and gave a good example with how it was done with Doflamingo. Knowing how the AK name is sure to stir chaos in the world, how much do you think this information would be worth?

My main concern with this theory is how did the WG find out dragon saved the scholars? Even though for him to do so would have to be done completely secretly

[modest skiff]

I agree with this general conclusion and I don't have anything more to add really. I think the exact same thing. I think being able to hear glyphs is a big clue that people don't talk about enough. First time I've heard vivre cards brought into this and I agree it is also a hint. The fact that we haven't been told the exact process of making a vivre card makes me think it ends up giving a big hint regarding will/haki as a whole.

The one thing that is still a question mark to me is if a devil fruit can only be given to something with a will. Since we've only seen it done on things that could easily have a "soul" or some form of history (sword, family heirloom), it is hard to say.

I haven't heard people bring up the idea you're putting forth regarding fruits themselves having a will, that's really interesting. Makes me wonder if the reason people explode from 2 fruits is the fruits fighting with each other with the person as the arena. The arena is destroyed. This idea would support my basic theory that BB wields multiple fruits by confining them to their own spaces within his yami space. If he is able to make sure the fruits never occupy the same area, perhaps they never fight and he is able to keep them both. My theory is that BB's ability to never sleep allows him to continuously focus on keeping his fruits separate with the yami. If he were to ever stop focusing on confining them to their own area, he would explode. So he's basically walking around with grenades in his mouth.

A bit of a side thought: I have theorized haki is strengthened by pain in a general sense. When people persevere through pain, their haki grows. Since BB's fruit amplifies his pain, and he doesn't sleep, perhaps the constant focus on keeping fruits separate is able to grow his haki significantly.

I'm glad you're posting your thoughts, I always enjoy the things you post here.

[real swan]

Something interesting to note with the Vivre cards is that the making process was explained a bit, though all we get is that they are a paper made with the target's fingernail clippings, which could imply a combination of lineage factor with/or infused by haki.

It's amazing how much we still haven't known about DF yet, but we do know that they can be given to pretty much anything as Caesar was able to give it to a gaseous slime. It could still be argued something happened to give the slime a will, but that seems a bit unlikely, but then that contradicts the idea that everything has will.

So instead, it plays more into the idea that will can be forced into objects. And going a bit deeper into the idea of will+lineage factor, I believe that's how devil fruits are able to make inanimate objects into living things, and can respond to the owner's wishes. This kinda goes into a new, separate idea as to whether inanimate objects not only have a will, but also a lineage factor, as it can be influenced by a DF, or if the DF gives it a lineage factor.

Blackbeard wanting the Yami Yami no Mi is truly an amazing move, and honestly like you mentioned the solution to multiple devil fruits can be as simple as having the fruit. If his DF is the sole reason, it can make sense. One reason because of what you said, he keeps the wills of each fruit in their own pocket of darkness. Another reason is how the darkness fruit negates the powers of DFs, implying that having multiple Dfs does not alter his lineage factor any further and acts as if he never ate more than one. Either way, I'm more inclined to believe the solution IS as simple as him just having the darkness fruit.

The thought about BB improving haki sounds pretty cool, and I like the idea that he's just constantly getting power boosts by constant suffering. It brings up that other point though about why he never sleeps, which happens even before he gets the fruit. It's the one thing that still eludes me right now.

This is a fun discussion though, I'm also enjoying your thoughts!

[native flower]

remembering the guy from cp9 that was saying the thing about devils inside of devilfruits, n lucci called him stupid

its crazy because like any of the well thought out fan theories are like just as plausible as whats going on in odas head i feel like

[supple anchor]

only zoan DFs can be given to inanimate objects. we still havent seen a paramcia or a logia using object

and zoans have their own LF, which we can see with the SMILES and Vegapunk creating the kaido fruit that Momo ate

[grand walrus]

is it possible that shanks shows up at the end of the raid?

[modest skiff]

Yeah, I also considered the possibility that the yami simply negates fruits, the same way it does to enemy's fruits. I think both theories make plenty of sense. And getting back to your idea that the will needs to be forced onto an object, I think that makes sense as well, similar to how black blades are formed. And it also makes sense with how the Going Merry was able to manifest a spirit. I think it is possible that you are able to intentionally do something similar. Perhaps there are many ways something can be granted a soul. Maybe you can love it enough, you can use it enough, you can put enough haki into it, perhaps there are many ways.

I think black blades, the going merry's spirit, devil fruits in inanimate objects, and glyphs having a voice all relate to the same basic idea.

I think BB's race simply doesn't sleep and it is as simple as that. I think Marco knew BB is some unique race and perhaps doesn't know which one. Or maybe he knows which one, i dunno. @dusky acorn brought up the idea that BB is likely able to use multiple fruits for more than 1 reason, meaning you need the unique body AND the Yami to make it work. Either way, I remain pretty convinced the Yami is the reason BB can use multiple fruits. But as Shimon pointed out, maybe it isn't sufficient by itself. Perhaps you need to be able to focus on keeping the fruits separate forever, so unless you never sleep, you're screwed eventually.

That's a good point, @supple anchor . I wonder if one of the two (person or fruit) needs to have a brain to compliment the will. Hmmm. I am looking very forward to all of this eventually being revealed. I really think all of us are getting close to what the answer is, but it is hard to pin down specifics. Here we are, 1026 chapters later, no idea how devil fruits work

@native flower any idea what chapter that devil thing is from?

[native flower]

i can find it real quick 1 sec

chapter 385

[grand walrus]

I am wondering what will force the war to end. I feel big mom will still be in fighting shape and her crew will still be in wano. we need some reason to drive her away at the end of the arc. if shanks show up she may leave to regroup.

[native flower]

blackbeard is interesting bc hes damn near superhuman AND has the dark dark so we really have no fucking idea how he does it

[modest skiff]

lol its funny how me and @real swan were coming up with theories and it turned out it is a "common rumor" in the OP universe. I'd say that gives us some credibility. Hmmm. Thanks for posting that

[real swan]

Didn't oda draw him as a kid looking at the moon and crying? Perhaps he isn't human, what if he had come from space, or perhaps a descendant of someone who came from space?

And yea I completely forgot about that panel lol

[modest skiff]

Yeah one of my theories around BB is that his ancestors are from an ice planet, they came to the One Piece planet, and while being here, they realized the poles are the place they would prefer to live, since it is closest climate to their native planet. Shanks/Buggy talk about the poles in their conversation while on Roger's ship, debating which pole is colder. I think they went to the poles on Roger's ship and that is why Shanks respects and is mildly afraid of BB. I think Shanks knows what race BB is and what his race is capable of. I think BB's race were among the group of 8 that were allied with the AK (which is why BB's flag has 8 skulls, similar to Kaido's. I think Kaido's race and BB's race were both allied with the AK in the void century)

[supple anchor]

I have an idea, i think the SSG might be pacifistas that can use paramecia and logia fruits. What sets Kuma apart as a robot is that he is essentially the only non-living thing that has a fruit that isnt a zoan. If Vegapunk uncovered a way to infuse pacifistas with powerful fruits like that, that it could very well change the balance of power. No longer do you have to worry about fruits being given to people that might turn against you later, or someone dying and the fruit being lost. I dont have any evidence for it tho lol, just blind speculation

[grand walrus]

feels like the three headed flag of blackbeard is an indication that he might be made up of multiple beings.

[real swan]

Oooh that's a really interesting idea, brings together quite a few plot points too, like Luffy mentioning how people don't sleep in a snowy environment.

[modest skiff]

yeah exactly

[real swan]

I think the pacifistas already are infused with a DF, kizaru's.

[supple anchor]

also, looking at kaido's fruit, vegapunk found a way to replicate a fruit, for two people to have damn near the same abilities without killing someone to pass on the fruit. They could have multiple super powerful fruits and backups just in case.

[native flower]

kuma is still alive isnt he? hes just a cyborg slave for the rest of his live

[supple anchor]

i dont think they are infused with it because they can only shoot lasers. kizaru can also turn into light and move at incredible speed, in addition to the natural advantage of a logia and take no physical damage unless someone uses haki. pacifistas could still take physical damage and they had to move slowly. I do think them having powers similar to Kizaru is a hint however, it seems to me that vegapunk is trying to give them powers similar to kizaru, but if he made a huge breakthrough and is able to fully replicate it, thats a massive power jump

[native flower]

vegapunk cracked lazer technology

[modest skiff]

Here's my Vegapunk/Kuma theory #manga-theories message

[native flower]

frankie used rudimentary versions of it on the general frankie and his upgrades during the timeskip, and queen has the superior lasers

[supple anchor]

hes kinda alive and kinda not. it was said that he was unkillable and he seemed to believe that he would never be "conscious" again. If his parts were slowly replaced until he was fully robotic, he would be in a sort of limbo where his body is no longer the body he was born with, as its been replaced with electronics, but his general shape is still the same. Its like the old analogy of a boat, if you replace every single part of a boat, is it still the same boat?

[modest skiff]

I dunno if you've read my Kuma theory I linked above before, Ruski, but if you haven't, I'd enjoy hearing your thoughts on it

[supple anchor]

yeah i was typing lol, imma read it right now

[native flower]

ok ok im liking it, the vegapunk angle is viable

[native flower]

well the kuma that the celestial dragon is riding is much less robotic than the pacafistas

hes like a big hunk of cyborg meat and yeah its sad to see him like that, walking corpse

[supple anchor]

I like it. I definitely thinks its plausible, Kuma is definitely one of the bigger mysteries in the whole story and the whole process of him becoming a shichibukai and his whole relationship with Vegapunk is a huge mystery. Based on Ivankov and Dragon's reaction to him, they find a betrayal by him to be unthinkable and clearly Vegapunk and Kuma are willing to disobey and even go against the WG to protect the people that they want to protect. I could totally see Vegapunk inputting some code or something that gives him ultimate control over the pacifistas once the shichibukai are done with. I find it hard to believe that Kuma would turn his back on the Revos and Bonnie without having some other plan in place given that he even made a plan to save the SHs and their ship

[modest skiff]

Nice, glad to hear you guys like it

My main reason for feeling confident in my theory is the fact that Vegapunk and Kuma have not showed any reason to be subservient to the WG. Makes me think the WG is being tricked

I think it’s the same deal with Shanks. I think he feeds the Gorosei information in order to buy time for Luffy. The Gorosei think they have an emperor on their side when in reality he’s ensuring their demise by giving Luffy time to mature and grow

[amber oar]

if Vegapunk is really involved with the RA, he's got to be one of the most interesting biographies in all of OP's world

Born in a winter island, inventions 500 years ahead of his time, sailed to sea, worked with Queen and Judge, then it looks like he got caught, worked for the WG, add to it involvement with the RA and it's a hell of an adventure

[modest skiff]

I think the 500 years ahead of his time thing is not quite so. I think he’s related to Dr Tsukimi and that the technology from the void century (which the WG tries to hide/suppress) was somehow passed down. If Tsukimi was making robots that long ago, somewhere in the history of the story, technology was either reset or suppressed. One of my theories is that the ability to fly would fundamentally destroy the CD’s power to rule and that is why we see evidence of advanced technology (bazooka on Skypiea, film with Pudding’s fruit, a few others) without it being present. Overall the existence of technology is all over the place. Judge is a great example of this dynamic. His work is also unbelievably advanced. I don’t think it’s a coincidence. I think it’s possible certain groups managed to hold on to or hide technology from the CDs.

[amber oar]

hmm, actually tech lost in time being rediscovered? Interesting take. Who knows if DFs are actually the product of genetic engineering

[desert hatch]

seemed pretty tech savvy from enels cover story

[supple anchor]

Kuma might have become a shibhibukai in order to come into contact with Vegapunk. If Vegapunk is remodeling his body, he has plenty of time to try to convince him to come over to the revos or to help them, he might even feel that giving up his life would be worth it to get an ally like that.

[mild pewter]

dragon was probably an admiral in the past and had some connection with akainu which is why luffy was targeted by akainu more than ace in marineford

[next swan]

I actually think it’s very likely that dragon was in the marines. Makes so much sense.

[sinful wedge]

What could be the big incident involving the grand fleet, which was hinted back in Dressrosa?

Oda is off with his estimates, but could we see it right after Wano?

[restive ice]

guys i was rewatching op and when luffy and zoro met blackbeard for the first time they said he’s not a he but a they why do i think there are more than one blackbeard

[exotic echo]

it's in reference to his crew, they figured out he was another pirate captain

[next swan]

I personally think they sensed something off about his body, but that’s just my interpretation.

If that’s not the case it could be in fact foreshadowing that there’s something up with Blackbeard’s body, which there is

There’s something mystical about that whole scene in the manga, especially how it’s paneled.

[zinc iris]

I'm still partial to the cerberus

[rustic granite]

Yo I have a ridiculous theory

What if Luffy unlocks Awakening to kill/defeat Kaido?

And then when he finishes Kaido off,Blackbeard appears

[rugged cove]

oh hell nah

blackbeard wont appear at a time like that

[rustic granite]

He initially appears to steal Kaido's DF,but then becomes egoistic and attacks the Strawhats for complete Control of Wano

And then Luffy and Blackbeard clash and the shockwaves spread through the entire World

[rustic granite]

I did say it was a Ridiculous theory

I mean it was not meant to be a joke but ya know

But it was just....a crazy theory lurking in my mind

[rugged cove]

i think luffy and blackbeard will only meet now during the final war arc

[rustic granite]

That could also be true

[rugged cove]

or maybe in god valley like roger,garp and xebecs

it will just be luffy,coby and blacbeard

[snow grove]

What a coincidence

[past river]

People kneeling before people in power is a pretty general thing

[daring prism]

Quick question, is Im a man or woman? I read the manga

[pure raven]

My prediction after Wano:

As the strawhats leave Wano (including Yamato and Carrot), huge marine fleet (likely being led by at least a vice-admiral) will go Wano due to news of Kaido being defeated by Luffy, Momo and Yamato.

Because of that event, the Marines want to arrest Momo (now Shogun of Wano) due to being allies with Luffy. Because of that, the Scabbards (assuming they all survived) and Marines went on a fight to defend Momo.

[drowsy sapphire]

is that not way to fast?

oh wait you meant that the marine just fights the scabbards who are left after the fight?

[pure raven]

Scabbards fighting the Marines to prevent Momo being arrested.

Marco and Izo might also be involved with it.

[snow grove]

will scabbards get bounties after wano?

[pure raven]

The minks ones are likely

[boreal gate]

Carrot is not gonna join

[boreal gate]

Straw hat grand fleet appears

With 18.000 members

[wild turret]

How many more chapters you think for wano like 30?

[scenic thicket]

kaido wont be killed but rather forced to submit and be part of the grand fleet

[rugged cove]

lmao no way

not in a million yrs he would agree

[scenic thicket]

only reason they’ve been hammering in tht kaido leaves ppl alive tht he wants to break their will

[weary cliff]

There should be a koya command about people not joining the fleet. It's a standalone thing

[fathom matrix]

What if Brook's awakening or new ability, was to temporarily summon the spirits of those close to him?

Like, in an act of desperation, all his crew was summoned and they helped to play a melody needed, or a song to counteract an attack or effect?

Like, it HAS to be those close. He can't just summon anyone he never met, knows about or briefly talked to. There needs to be a bond

So like, he can't summon ace for a brief moment, roger, whitebeard, etc.

Or maybe his awakening/new ability is possession.

[wary fossil]

or he can do astral projection on others

[rustic granite]

Wano is not affiliated with the WG

So they won't attack Wano

[frail yarrow]

They need the kairouseki and now the deal with Orochi is off.
Marines attacking Wano doesn't seem totally absurd, especially with Kaido and Orochi out of the picture.

[sage wren]

There is a parallel but thats prolly cuz of theming, contrast, and tropes
Doflamingo is a wanna-be Celestial Dragon and thats how the show represents his ambitions

I doubt the connection is plot relevant though

[vital copper]

So anyone still think this gonna be 3 acts. Cause wtf is act 3 longer than act 2 🤔

[wary fossil]

doffy isn't a wannabe celestial dragon

He understands the truth of the world, which is that the winner writes history. He wants to be the winner

[snow grove]

he hated his life when he was a celestial dragon because of his father who retired form being a celestial dragon

i think celestial dragons are just one big family and imu sama is the godfather

[wary fossil]

It's the same kind of thing with orochi. Inherited "power", that same inheritance becomes your torment, journey to revenge

[surreal harness]

Btw didnt oda say in this year, red hair will make move

[rustic granite]

he meant Kidd

[night jewel]

he just said that shanks will make his move "soon"

[surreal harness]

Didnt he say just red hair not shanks?

[night jewel]

he did yea, but he is pretty obviously referring to shanks lol

[pure raven]

I think Luffy will get his last bounty after wano is conclude will probably be over 5.000.000.00 billion berries. Surpassing any current yonk, perhaps even the pirate king himself

[ancient vault]

Rocksstar making his move as Rocks D. Xebec soon

[sinful wedge]

Was Big Mom experimented upon or is she just the "natural born monster" that one of the chapter title calls her?

Her cravings feel so similar to the withdrawal symptoms felt by the kids in PH, which makes you feel she isn't the latter.

[modest skiff]

We are given no indication she is genetically modified but I wouldn’t say we know 100% she isn’t

[sinful wedge]

What do you think becomes of her this arc?

Do you think, this is right place and time for her character arc to conclude satisfactorily?

[hollow grotto]

Momonosuke and Kozuki Oden - His Proven Worth

Hello everybody! I'm uploading this as a proper theory because I was encouraged to by ShimOdy who thought it'd be a good idea to propose this to the public and get people thinking. Even if this doesn't turn out to be true, I was happy to add something to the mix and get minds jogging a little bit; It's all speculation after all.

UPDATE: I'm really happy with how the ending of Wano came out. This theory is not true but what ended up happening was much better than anything this could provide, so I'm happy with the outcome regardless.

I believe that Momonosuke, in the chapters upcoming, is going to mirror his father, Kozuki Oden, and that his actions in the story have already been foreshadowed leading up to this moment. Not only will he fulfill the wish that his father set out 20 years ago, but it's through Onigashima with direct parellels to the execution that this will ignite the prophecy. Let me explain:

Part 1: Momonosuke's Part to Play

As everybody is aware, it's likely, although not confirmed, that Momonosuke is going to stop Onigashima from falling ontop of Wano and it's citizens, or at the least, give everybody a chance to escape from the mainland area of the festival before it's reduced to nothing. We learnt that this may indeed happen due to CP0's comment, in which they said that it was 'fortunate' that Momonosuke's Devil Fruit was a failure. This is an important detail to note on because it tells us a lot about CP0's involvement in Wano. Every comment they've made about the war in Wano so far, of which we've been confirmed, have proven to us that CP0 are very ironic narrators. Their comments prove to be the opposite of what they believe is going to be the case as shown in IMG 1. Credit to Shim for the picture!

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/823422905035653143/892455388400746516/unknown.png

This tells us that Momonosuke's Devil Fruit was not a failure and works, as we know it does, including the cloud of flame ability, something we've seen in Punk Hazard before. That then begs the question: what 'big moment' will Momonosuke have in the story of Wano? I doubt that Momo is going to be known for his small contributions in a physical battle against Kaido in the sky. The general consensus that I've seen from comments is that Momo will be responsible for keeping Onigashima in the air, protecting all of Wano from the floating island. I believe this to be true. However, I've yet to see much examination beyond, "because CP-0's comment was ironic, he'll do something in dragon form to stop Onigashima", so that's what I'm going to try and elaborate on, as well as parellel to another similar event.

Part 2: Fire - Thematical Choices

Fire has been a very important aspect of Wano. We got to see Ace, whose main ability is based around fire, Luffy used Red-Hawk, an ability that incorporates fire which acted as a spark in Tama & Yamato, fire is the dominating feature of King's newly-learnt Lunarian race, dragons are commonly known to shoot fire, Oden's execution, the existance of the Fire Festival among many other things. However, what I want to focus on is the use of fire in Onigashima specifically. Orochi, after being betrayed by Kaido, survives and begins to set fire to all of Onigashima in spite. It's a structure that was built hand-made and we know it isn't a real skull as proven by the carpeter's schematics. The same is shown with Black Maria. Her Zoan Devil Fruit spits fire all over the walls, and while Brook is able to extinguish the initial wave with his ice and Jinbe with his water, fire continues to dominate even after Robin defeats Black Maria and Jinbe beats Who's Who, and is actively mentioned as a threat even later than that when we see talk between Franky and Nami, so we know the fire is a genuine issue if it's being acknowledged in text after-the-fact of everything.

Why is fire ravaging through Onigashima important? Well, that relates to the next point...

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Part 3: Oden's Execution & Onigashima War Parellels

I want to focus on Oden's execution and the Onigashima War, and see how each of these events parellel each other. At the execution, Oden asks Kaido for a time limit before he would let the scabbards go if he was to survive holding it up as long as requested. Kaido gives him one hour, dubbed The Legendary Hour, and says that he'll let the scabbards go if they survive that amount of time, to which nobody believes is possible.

At this point, Oden agrees. He then picks the pot up with all of the scabbards onboard while all the citizens of Wano, Yamato (who was there in the background) and Shinobu watches on. The people that believed in Oden were on the lid, held up above him while he took on all of their pain for them.

If we parellel this idea with current-day Momonosuke, who is now fighting against Kaido, we begin to paint a picture of what may be unveiling here.

Momonosuke, like Oden, is going to hold up Onigashima with his flame clouds before it hits the ground. Because of the fire, a thematical choice as mentioned in Part 2, spreading throughout all of Onigashima, we will see a burning Onigashima tumbling to pieces with everybody, both alliance and enemy alike, on the island. The fire, of course, being caused by Black Maria, Orochi, among many others. All of Wano's citizens will be present during this time, as it's the date of the annual Fire Festival, just like they were at Oden's execution. The people of Wano will begin to evacuate as they realize what's going on. Momonosuke, during all of this, will be mainly responsible for holding up Onigashima.

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In Oden's story, Shinobu was on the sidelines crying her heart out to the people of Wano who were ignorant to the truth about Wano. They who believed in Oden joined him on the pot, those being the scabbards, and those who initially did not believe in Oden were watching from afar. They mocked, ridiculed and even asked for the execution to hurry up. However, when Shinobu explained the truth to them, they realized the truth too late. Regret set in and they felt awful for what they had done.

As for the modern day, similarly, everyone on the ground floor was completely ignorant to the true purpose of the Fire Festival, an event making light of the execution of Oden. It's true intentions by Orochi were to host a banquet in celebration of this death, and by Kaido, to create the New Onigashima Project, directly parelleling to the citizen's lack of knowledge to the truth until it's too late. In both the past and in the modern day, the citizens do not know their true intentions until it's too late and terror befalls them as a result. These events may converge as one big realization. Onigashima, burning in all its glory, will come crashing down on them. A giant skull in the air burning into flames. However...

Shinobu is the only notable side character that stayed down below. I found that a little bit weird, because it meant her purpose up top was now done... So, what was she supposed to just leave Wano and forget this happened? What is she going to do now that she's down below? Is she just going to stand idly by while Onigashima topples everybody, knowing where it's headed? I believe Shinobu will act in a similar manner to how she acted when the truth about Oden was revealed. Unlike Oden's execution, they aren't too late to help. The image below shows Shinobu's crying plees, telling the country of Wano's citizens, "Oden-sama continued to protect this country!!! So who is the idiot-lord now!!!", which, if Momonosuke does end up holding Onigashima up to save everybody, would be an accurate comment to mention during a time like this. She is also the only one that supports Momonosuke on the side of the civilians, just like her situation in Oden's flashback.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/823422905035653143/892445933789384744/ERPKelHXYAAx7Hm.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/823422905035653143/892445977670201344/EQ51fwaUwAQ2QpY.png

Just like they supported Oden after learning the truth, they will help Momonosuke through emotional support. Oden withstood an hour in the pot, hearing the cheers of the people around him, and Momonosuke will undergo a similar situation, that will motivate him to continue onwards despite his feelings of weakness and fatigue. It will truly turn him into a "man" just like his father, and help to bring Momo out of his father's shadow to become his own man, the son of Kozuki Oden.

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Part 4: Onigashima & Momonosuke's Victory? The Legendary Hour

Now, while I believe that Momonosuke will receive support emotionally, as well as maybe physically by somebody else, I ultimately believe that he will still not be able to lift it away from Wano and it will still fall. However, by this point, Shinobu will have helped to evacuate everybody out of the mainland of Wano. This both serves as a realistic result regarding Momo's strength and does not fulfill Kaido's dream as his dream is quite literally burning to the ground and did not kill anybody as he had initially planned. This is important because the antagonists in every Arc either have their dreams or aspirations challenged or crushed in front of them, usually demonstrated by Luffy but this is so much more fitting. Because Kaido betrayed Orochi, Orochi is now burning his dream to the ground.

Something really important to mention is this: how long will Momonosuke have to hold up Onigashima? It's a fair argument to say he will lift it at all, but how long? Just like Oden's execution, I believe it will be one hour. I doubt Kaido is going to challenge Momonosuke to keep Onigashima up for one hour in the middle of a fight, or that it will even be intentional on Momo's part, but it's a logical amount of time needed for everybody to be able to evacuate the city, while also remaining more or less faithful to the strengths of a dragon fruit regardless of its user. One hour sounds rather reasonable within the scope of the story. Oda made a big deal about Oden's Execution lasting an hour, showing the clock several times, as well as the time that it would take for Onigashima to get to Wano. (A personal extra that I believe is that while Momonosuke is doing this, Luffy will be battling Kaido in the air above them and will crash through Onigashima and Wano as he's punched downwards into the floor.)

Momonosuke holding up a burning Onigashima for one hour would be a dramatic, larger-scale version of the events of Oden's execution, but would end positively rather than negatively. The people of Wano would all the same experience and witness Momonosuke's "victory", just as they did Oden's "victory" of an hour-long burning, and the people who believe in Momo are all top of Onigashima right now, just like the people who believed in Oden were on top of the boiling pot lid.

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Part 5: Momonosuke's Reveal to Wano (much more just a speculation I'd like to see happen than it is connected to the theory).

If we take a look at the below image, we can see the conclusional panel of Ashura Doji vs Oden. They fought for a long while through the night until dawn, ending up in Oden's victory. An important quote to state here is this, "Sorry... I just finished up here... It took all night. I can't believe it took that long!!" (rough translation). The fight in Onigashima happens to be at night time, and they've been battling it out for quite a while now. It wouldn't surprise me if the battle ended at dawn, as foretold in Toki's prophecy.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/823422905035653143/892441205026218004/one_piece_ch962_p009-e1574549479197.png

I have reason to believe that Momonosuke will appear in his human form at this moment while sitting ontop of Kaido. However, unlike in Oden's case, Luffy (maybe even Yamato) will be there.

It has already been established that Oden is a very independent man who took on the burden of every struggle to keep others safe, neglecting to tell anybody the truth about why he was dancing for 5 years in poverty, why he took the blame for the boar incident, and specifically, why he fought Ashura Doji and their subordinates alone, rather than with the scabbards. I believe Oden's fight here is meant to mirror Momo and Luffy's teamwork against Kaido, versus the kind of man Oden was that would not accept the help of others around him and go at it alone. It was such an epic panel to see, but under such a small lens that it almost felt something like this could be used with a mirrored scene to Kaido, and who better to represent that than Momonosuke, who right now in the story, has the works set up for him to perform such a feat.

A small detail, which isn't very evidential and more just a small connection is that Ashura is a term used for a 'demon' or a 'god creature', both of which describe Kaido on a literal and figurative level. It wouldn't surprise me if the name inspiration for Ashura, a character introduced in Wano, had their name made for the purpose of foreshadowing this eventual defeat of Kaido, to a much grander scale.

This is what I can see happening in a theoretical sense: the end of the battle will conclude, Momonosuke and Luffy will descend at some point, and when we first see Momonosuke's adult form, he will be sitting in a pose similar to Oden as he looked when he defeated Ashura Doji and the subordinates of the camp. However, the big distinguishing difference between these two is that, Momonosuke wouldn't have done it alone and instead, been helped in his battle by Luffy. An alliance is what won in the end, and we'd be able to see that mirrored with Oden's individual stubborness to do things alone, with the two together having defeated Kaido. It also plays into one of the other major themes of betrayal and the idea that pirates will always betray you, as Kaido mentions during the raid. This defeat would prove Kaido's hypothesis wrong.

Something else to add onto this, I don't like to consider it 'evidence' (nor much of any of this theory as it's really just speculation with some forced parellels) as it's from the anime, but when Oden defeats Ashura, we see the sun coming up as to indicate that it's dawn. I could just be completely wrong here and not realize this is also apparent in the manga, but I thought it was worth mentioning that this would be a perfect way to not only show Momonosuke's adult form, but great timing to fulfil the fight of the Onigashima War at dawn, and have Kaido's body lying on the ground, surrounded by beast pirates, playing into the prophecy that Lady Toki spoke about 20 years ago.

Anime should not be used as a source generally for evidence, but in this case, I will make an exception because I'm too lazy to research:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/823422905035653143/892441800642527292/one-piece-oden-vs-shutenmaru-0214.png

In conclusion, and TLDR; I believe that the boiling execution scene was made to parellel against Momonosuke's battle to protect Wano when Onigashima falls, and that he will, through this, grow to become a true heir of the Kozuki with the help of Straw Hat Luffy, and that the story of Kozuki Oden was made to mirror Momonosuke's defeat of Kaido.

[weary cliff]

I dislike this on the level that I don't want to wait that long for a Momo reveal. But damn this makes sense

[hollow grotto]

I'm not the greatest at structuring theories but I'm glad the message got across

[weak arrow]

So a few comments and questions?

Where does Hitetsu fit into all of this? Most people now believe he is Sukiyaki, the former Shogun of Wano. Also Shinobu looks vastly different from when she was at Oden’s execution site, so it’s honestly gonna be weird for people to recognize her immediately. And tbh there are way more people at the fire festival than there were at Oden’s execution, like way more, so most wouldn’t recognize her anyway, but they would recognize the former shogun of wano, hence why he has been hiding his face with a tengu mask.

I don’t really see this Ashura Douji/Oden and momo luffy/Kaido parallel and how it fits with how you set it up. If momo isn’t doing fighting, then why is he going to be sitting on top of Kaido when he’s defeated? Also ashura douji became apart of Oden’s side while I don’t think anyone would want Kaido to do the same.

I’d also reword the title of the theory because I really was hoping this would be a theory regarding the opening of Wano as I haven’t really felt there’s been a theory that pulls it altogether

[native flower]

i just finished reading a huge ass theory in the pins and the way you all put together thoughts and make connections is really astounding and impressive, im about to read this one that fortsy posted now but i am in awe of the quality of the posts in this server

[weary cliff]

I also went in thinking it had to do with opening Wano

Likewise, I'm iffy on Momo sitting over the defeated Kaido. Holding Onigashima for an hour is a solid prediction, though. The only (serious) issue I take with it is that it denies us the reaction of Orochi seeing adult Momo. Assuming he's taken care of by the end of the raid. However, I can't fault that because Momo is already heading to support the island and why would he stop to confront Orochi?

[hollow grotto]

Hitetsu was a hard wildcard to try and figure out, but I came to the conclusion that just because there are parellels from one scene to another, and things tying in Momonosuke's character from Oden, they don't have to be exactly the same. Hitetsukiyaki can still be in this scene and it would still work just as effectively, but I feel when this event happens in the modern day, they're not just going to sit there mocking him like they did Oden when there's an island about to crush them.

The reason I suggested Shinobu pulling off something in a similar vein to what she did in the past is because, just because she has substantially changed in appearance doesn't mean that her words wouldn't hold any weight. She doesn't have to 'expose' some big truth, she could just be responsible for helping evacuate everybody from Wano itself, but I understand that it's a bit hard to figure out exactly because I'm really just speculating here. Thanks for the comments though, the criticism does help - I'm not 100% sold on every part of the theory myself, it just felt odd that Shinobu was left on Wano whereas everybody else is in the sky, just as Shinobu was the only active supporter to stand up for Oden when he was struggling, which might be a more accurate way to write it up actually.

The reason I even posted this publicly was just because I found the concept of Momonosuke sitting atop a defeated Kaido, parreleling Oden, to be a fun what-if, and when making the first part of this theory, I decided to add it on to the end because I didn't have anywhere else to put it and I'd rather it be seen than not.

Not everything I mentioned here feels solid, not at all, but I thought bringing up the possibility of a what-if sounded fun and I'm glad it's sparked some discussion.

[ancient vault]

I’d also reword the title of the theory because I really was hoping this would be a theory regarding the opening of Wano as I haven’t really felt there’s been a theory that pulls it altogether

Do you mean a literal opening? Or just like figuratively of the leaving rule disappearing

[hollow grotto]

I do want to reword the title, it was more just a quick panic-name, honestly. I didn't have a concrete name when posting it - got any suggestions that are more accurate?

"Momonosuke and Kozuki Oden - His Proven Worth" sound better? @weak arrow

[weak arrow]

Yeah that’s a lot better

[hollow grotto]

awesome, sorry it disappointed you there a bit

[weak arrow]

I meant a literal opening of some sort. Or why a figurative opening would be needed for Joyboy

[hollow grotto]

I would love to make a theory on that whole idea, I just haven't got anything concrete to go off. I think that's one of the biggest lingering mysteries and I just don't see how it'll be resolved, which makes it even more exciting to find out.

[sinful wedge]

Oda hasn't even given us breadcrumbs to the context of opening Wano's borders, which is why the upcoming 2-3 volumes have me extremely excited

[weak arrow]

And I’m a big Shinobu Stan so I’d really love if she plays a big role in the evacuation of wano. I just feel that logistically, it makes more sense for Hitetsuyaki to be the main proponent of it but I like the narrative weight of Shinobu doing it more

[ancient vault]

Opening = Open mouth = Laugh = Laught Tale = Joyboy

[hollow grotto]

Hitetsukiyaki comes out as Sukiyaki to defend Shinobu's word against the civilians.

[ancient vault]

Tbh. Shinobu will prob play a bigger role than the BMP

[sinful wedge]

Wano=Wan=One=One Piece

[hollow grotto]

If Sukiyaki revealed himself thanks to Shinobu's word, even if it's just implied and we don't see the truth until after Momo defends Wano, that would be perfect as it would give the both of them a powerful moment to help evacuate the civilians. Shinobu also said these things alone last time, by herself, and if Sukiyaki revealed himself to reinforce her words, that would be

I don't think Sukiyaki would not take the opportunity to help evacuate the civilians, but neither would Shinobu, so the two of them doing it together sounds great, and it would give them a final 'moment' to have that would contribute to the story rather than just being decorative pieces until the end.

[sinful wedge]

Something about the Tengu=Sukiyaki theory brings out a really interesting possibility that I don't see being talked about.

It's the fact that his ancestor Kotetsu would also be a Kozuki and if we assume that the Shodai Kitetsu was forged by him, then the circumstances in which it potentially landed in the bald gorosei's hands become really interesting.

[hollow grotto]

worth looking into, it seems

[sinful wedge]

I hope Oda would go into the specifics of how a blade becomes cursed in the first place.

We have the Kitetsu series, Enma and Law's sword so far. Maybe all of them originated in Wano and them being cursed has some process behind it.

Maybe explores this concept through Kotetsu's story whenever we get to that part of the arc (where he shows Wano in the distant past)

[pure raven]

Epic theory, feels like a genuine spoiler. Really liked the CP0 points, inverting everything they've said as lies to predict what'll happen next would lead to a very plausible prediction. Think we'll hear more from them as wano continues, gonna be paying attention to that

[hollow grotto]

Oh, I doubt CP0s role is over, far from it.

[hollow grotto]

I know this was a bit ago but it'd be honestly fitting if Orochi fell in all of that rubble, was burnt by the flames he created and then crashed into the floor. He wouldn't die because of his Zoan, so when he comes out and sees an adult Momonosuke..

[pure raven]

Yeah I'm not too sure if they're gonna take any action, they didn't really do anything at dressrosa or wci but I feel like they may be there for that "certain pirate" that shanks spoke of.

[hollow grotto]

It feels like we're drastically increasing speed on this whole story so I would not be surprised if they did decide to take action here given that they've had ample opportunities to do so in the past.

[pure raven]

I mainly only believe this because I read shimOdy theory on kidd being that pirate but anything can happen.

[sinful wedge]

I don't think they're going to just dip nonchalantly after all is said and done

[pure raven]

#manga-theories message

[hollow grotto]

ah yeah, that'd be fun if it was true - I subscribe to that theory simply because it gives Kidd motivation beyond punk edge man have metal hand

[sinful wedge]

3 poneglyphs and a country closed for centuries from us (for some reason) finally at its most vulnerable stage? Welp looks like time to dip, nothing that we care about here

[native flower]

every theory ive read so far has felt like more of an insight prediction than a fan theory lmao

yall are very perceptive

[modest skiff]

One of the good things about people posting good theories here is that in inspires others to do the same. That’s part of why we try to have strict rules against people just dumping images and videos with no explanation

[lofty zenith]

They did hint that Vegapunk's DF was defective, but after finding that it's not, they might have more reasons to stay in wano.

[modest skiff]

I wonder if previous attempts showed the fruit being a different color meant it was messed up. Maybe they don’t have good ways of verifying it. So maybe they are like “lol apparently the only difference is the dragon is pink”

[light onyx]

I found this theory incredibly interesting

[acoustic helm]

@hollow grotto that was one of top tier explanation/justification on symbolism of a certain scene I read here in a while.
I can see luffy and momo having arms around their shoulders laughing, like Roger and oden laughing together...

[hollow grotto]

I'm glad you enjoyed it

[pure raven]

I think blackbeard will die not by luffy

but he will die on his own problem

[junior cape]

I doubt bb will accidentally self-terminate, he doesnt seem like that kind of character. More realistically, he either falls into the sea, or his crew kills him. Of course, if his crew kills him, theyll likely blow up as well, since their bodies wont be able to take 2 devil fruits like bb could should they try to take them.

[atomic knoll]

[autumn leaf]

has anyone with a fruit actually died via the sea/ocean yet?

[livid stag]

Theory: remember when bartolomeo said: "We have to be ready to help him at all times", Luffy will lose against kaido and the Straw Hat Fleet pulls up to win

[tidal tangle]

why does it matter if the people recognize shinobu or not , they didnt know who she was at odens execution

[snow grove]

dunno about that

[wicked charm]

shrink shrink no mi

[warm plank]

I think all heights are irrelevant other then giants at this point. It's just to portray a characters presence or threat

[frozen prairie]

the more and more i think about it, the more i'm convinced that the inspiration for the World Government is pretty explicitly drawn from the USA.

the first major parallel that we know of is the formation. in real life, the story goes that 13 american colonies banded together to defeat one super great empire, and then they themselves became essentially that empire by united and forming a singular group. in one piece, 20 (or 19 depending on how you want to look at it) kingdoms united to defeat some ancient power, and then afterwards, installed themselves at the top of the world as well.

if, like most of us believe, the shandorans had something to do with the ancient kingdom (which we can reasonably assume, i think, given the presence of the ancient writing in shandora), we must then pretty clearly acknowledge that they're explicitly based off of a generic Native American tribe. it stands to reason that they'd be the ones that the World Government 'defeated' in some sense (probably them + allies) to sit on top of the world.

[raw palm]

yep that's th at

[ancient vault]

Its not

The WG has a lot more parallels with the catholic church
https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/i3bj3s/the_ancient_kingdom_and_the_roman_empire_the/

Obviously Oda couldve taken inspiration from both but I doubt it since wiping out entire native tribes was also an European thing that happened all over the world and not just exclusive to the Americans

[frozen prairie]

Yeah, I think this is the best way to state it. Perhaps not explicitly the USA, but the core idea (that he's drawing inspiration from real world conflict against indigenous Native Americans) seems super clear to me. When we get the full reveal, it'll likely be cobbled together using a number of different IRL references.

[split stone]

The one who was speaking about the one piece, in roger's last words, wasn't actuallly roger, instead it was Joyboy's will

[edgy leaf]

I guess you could call this a theory
Kaido's "oni" race is a named hybrid race of ancient giants, like the long-limbed tribe. I'm afraid to say a human/ancient giant hybrid, that just sounds wrong

[modest skiff]

So I'm a little late to the party responding to this, but still wanted to give my perspective. I think the extent of overlap/connection/repeat you are describing feels a bit excessive. I do think that Momo will play a critical role in defeating Kaido, but I am not convinced it will be in a way where it makes sense for him to sit on top of Kaido's body. The only way that would happen would be if Luffy was willing to pretend Momo dealt the death blow, but I am not convinced of that. I don't think Luffy or Momo would like or go for that.

The one way that I can see this happening is what I have mentioned before: The volcano. Since we have had all these allusions to the volcano in wano and the formation of the white sea, I do think we will likely see the Wano volcano erupt at some point. One option I see is for Luffy and Kaido to essentially end in a draw, Momo goes dragon form and dumps or (body slams or something) Kaido in the volcano right before it erupts. I feel like the volcano is the only actual viable way Momo has of dealing significant damage to Kaido. Other than that, I think he can essentially serve as a support role for Luffy, as he has done so far. I think Luffy vs Kaido ends with Kaido in his hybrid form though. Overall I have a hard time finding a way for Momo to contribute in a way that justifies him sitting on kaido's corpse.

The thing that I do agree with is the basic idea that Momo will do something extremely heroic and courageous that will win the hearts of all the inhabitants of Wano. I think he will justifiably be viewed as a hero.

[pure raven]

Will Kaido Die though?

[junior cape]

Yes

Likely. If he doesn't, wano will never be free

[pure raven]

than the next question is how? or who will kill him?

[junior cape]

Luffy isnt about killing, so maybe momo, or the samurai

With swords

[pure raven]

Momo still feels like an 8 year old kid so not sure if he would be up to it, but maybe a samurai would do it idk who yet though

[modest skiff]

I could imagine Momo doing it or anyone with a sword. I don't think its impossible Luffy kills him but I agree it isn't likely. I don't buy the stuff about BB/CP0 opportunistically killing him

[frozen prairie]

I think it'd be an example of incredibly clunky writing if Blackbeard were to show up at this point, and I trust Oda not to write such a disjointed story so yeah, I doubt he'll have anything to do with Kaido in the aftermath of the raid. CP0 is of course a bigger possibility, but honestly I wouldn't be super surprised if they just apprehended him in some sense.

[velvet edge]

He’s still mentally an 8 year old kid. He only aged physically but not mentally

[faint aspen]

So did luffy inherited rogers will and joy boy’s will ??

[gloomy canyon]

Yeah

It’s all one centuries old will

That will conclude with Luffy freeing the world

My guess is Nika the sun god is the origin/inspiration of this will

[visual merlin]

@pure raven This channel is for serious theories

[pure raven]

That was serious.... you don't have to agree with it though😔

[visual merlin]

Don't play that game, that last message involved some weird things anyway so just avoid that in any channel

but if you have any actual theories you're always free to post them here

[snow grove]

i think vegapunk will go to jail for making such a good DF

or he'll follow the same process and make a shit load of logia df

[bitter kraken]

Well he didn’t give momo the fruit, he made it, deemed it a failure and left it there. No way he goes to jail for that he’s just too important to the gov, but I don’t think he can even make logia fakes I think there’s a reason all the smiles and his fruit were Zoan seems there’s something there, otherwise why did he not try to make other fakes of diff types

[modest skiff]

Since we know devil fruits interact with lineage factor, it is possible the science of that is more straight forward for living things (zoans) rather than elements. We also don’t know how or why Vegapunk labeled it a failure, so it’s hard to blame him

And it’s not like the WG has anyone else of his caliber laying around, so I agree with @bitter kraken , they need him

[pure raven]

This is a story about Pirates Afterall

My theory is that another Pirate will just interrupt the party and create a new crossroad

[lethal heath]

Why does Zoro knows bout kings sword?

[junior cape]

...Because he's fighting King, he's well versed in swords, and King has already tried to kill him with it.

[lethal heath]

its a weird reaction still

[junior cape]

He''s just shocked that it's not a regular sword. I believe it's supposed to be a "Sword-breaker" blade, which you use to catch an opponent's sword, then twist it in such a way as to snap the blade in half, or, in this case, rip the swords from your opponent's hands.

Of course, King's sword is not an ordinary sword-breaker, but also half-katana

[lethal heath]

didnt know that, thats cool

[junior cape]

yep

I doubt sword-breakers were ever widely used in combat throughout the ages, as the time and tooling needed to make one were probably pretty high. then again, it could just be a strip of steel with notches cut into it, making it easy to produce (comparatively). The real downside to carrying one is that you'd need to chose between it and your real weapon every time you go into combat, as carrying both would leave you with more load to carry, and add confusion

of course in one piece, you can afford to have one on you at all times, since most people are good in cqc as well

and strength isn't a limiting factor for weapons, usually

that being said, i don't doubt zoro may just straight up kill King at the end of this. Dude used to be a bounty hunter, and he's definitely killed before.

[bitter kraken]

I don’t think he’ll kill him, he never killed daz bones even after he had beat him and pika or did he kill pika? I forget what happened with doffys family. None of the straw hats are straight up killers

He’s prolly killed nameless fodder but named characters in OP have a tendency to not get killed, I also am not fully sure kaido will die I hope he does and it’s Yamato who puts him down for good but idk

[junior cape]

Daz Bones, he cut down and left for dead, which ended up with Daz being captured by the Navy. Pika, he cut down and left for dead, again, but they stopped Doffy and the cage in time, so the Navy had time to capture and evac them to prison.

[bitter kraken]

Seems cutting down and leaving for dead is what he usually does, we don’t know tho that they were mortally wounded and woulda died had the navy not caught them plus king is a zoan they heal faster and are more durable than most

[junior cape]

Yeah but it's clear zoro fights to win, whatever that may end as

If it means killing someone, he will do it

[normal talon]

Doubt oda would make sh kill, they are somewhat of a role model

[hoary ice]

Is it kinda widely accepted that Yamato is gonna join the crew? I kinda see yamato as oden’s spirit (his fighting spirit with wb and roger), and momonosuke as the soul of oden (in wano)

[high narwhal]

Nah

I see Yamato joining the crew tbh, momo on the other hand should stay as the Shogun

[reef sequoia]

Momo would have less incentive to travel the seas as he now has his father's logbook

Yamato though? I can see it since he's been captive for the last 20 years or so

[dense wing]

It’s moreso that she’s the most likely option

[bitter kraken]

I’d say she’s the best option too with how much of a powerhouse she is, going forward the straw hats enemies can only get stronger and more dangerous she’d be of great help

[lethal heath]

I just rewatch sabody recently and zoro was going to straight up murder the Celestial dragon if it wasnt for Bonnie

Robin and zoro kill

[amber oar]

He canonically killed the former Mr. 7

[junior cape]

Yup

[junior cape]

Past Zoro had no qualms about killing a guy who gets in his way, but modern Zoro may think twice about it, if he gets the luxury.

[grizzled fog]

I think the magistrate was confirmed to be dead in a viviré card too

[sturdy hound]

arsal asked me about it the other day, here's what the card says

He pretends to be the magistrate who cares about the townspeople, but in reality he is a brutal street slasher that threatens the town. He tried to pin the crime on Zorojuro, but he failed and was slain.

pretty much dead

[junior cape]

nice

[inner trench]

i know i shouldnt have done this but i read this channel and im only on episode 100 and im wondering what the actual hell is happening

[terse cedar]

leave lol, ur gonna get spoiled

[slender flint]

Nothing just a war going on between a snake and a monkey in a zoo

[naive tartan]

Hi

[cunning stratus]

maybe king could be shiki? i dont think the fuwa fuwa no mi is canon

[stuck shell]

⚠️⚠️⚠️I thought of objects eating df and I think only zoans can work on non living objects thus including a living animal identity to them and rest paremicia or logia won't work , what you think?

[humble pumice]

I think shiki and his devil fruit is canon cause how else would he escape impel down

[mortal field]

We’ve only seen zoan df

However, i wouldnt be surprised if paramecia could be given to objects

As for logia, its a weak maybe. I can image things allowing the user to use df without them eating

Like a glove the shoots fire and what not, but i dont think people would do that unless they already own a DF

[safe ridge]

king and queen gonna met their end on zoro and sanji XD.. nice timeline...

[supple anchor]

The only "object" that can use a paramecia that we know of is Kuma who has been more or less converted into a robot. I actually have a theory that the SSG are pacifistas that can use paramecia and logia powers. That might be why the celestial dragons were able to get their hand on Kuma since the experiment was a success and they no longer need the prototype.

[junior cape]

No, shiki is cannon, since he's mentioned outside of promotional chapters in the main story. MOVIE Shiki is non-cannon, but the man himself was real, did have powers (he could manipulate air to fly, amongst other things), and did escape impel down.

[cunning stratus]

I know he’s canon just not his devil fruit in the movie

[supple anchor]

yeah chapter 0 is canon and shiki was mentioned in impel down too iirc, he was the first person to break out

[junior cape]

Perhaps, but his powerset is consistent in both canon and noncannon material, so his fruit name is likely the same.

Honestly from King's general stature, and his hairstyle/skin tone, I would say hes more akin to Douglas Bullet if we're talking non-canon characters

[rancid vine]

shame if that's true. Imagine feeding the sui sui no mi to the sunny, and sailing across islands. Don't think it'll happen, but it would be cool if this were possible anyway.

[pure raven]

wait a fuckin minute

i just thought of it now, is king actually the samurai who was imprisoned with yamato, like was he turned into a being like king (their race might be something technologically advanced or something or someone got into his body) i mean king hasnt taken his mask, king joined animal pirates after wanos capture and he also doent like to remove his mask. And judging by the drawing of the cut mask he resembles that samurai. This is gonna be breaking. PIN MY THEORY I AM SAYING THAT IT WILL HAPPEN, if it isnt that samurai then it would be someone whom we have seen in the flashback, I am damn sure

[junior cape]

I think next up will be King vs zoro, with minor interrupts of luffy momo and sanji

That or Sanji vs Queen with interrupts of zoro and luffy and momo

We only have 5 in-world minutes left before Wano becomes a massacre

Momo is not all-powerful, at best he can buy time for things to end, but the raid has almost no time left to go.

My bet is that momo buys an extra 15 minutes, and that'll be it. He'll have to lower it or else he'll go down too.

Time is running out

[waxen light]

What makes you think King joined after Wano?? He was present the day they burned Oden castle down as one of the Calamities.

[dreamy rune]

There is no way that luffy or even sanji and zoro can defeat them in less than an hour. Momo really has to move that island to somewhere else where people won't be harmed.

[raw palm]

what is this

[gritty harbor]

which kingdom was king a Real King from

what a crazy chapter

[vestal orbit]

His wings?

[raw palm]

I know but they look disabled

King is like the only unorthodox fighter in One piece

[robust basalt]

can i ask something, what happened to Sabo?

[hollow pollen]

hasn’t been stated as far as i know since reverie but he us likely fine and the cover story was fake

[robust basalt]

i hope

[hollow pollen]

i really doubt oda would pull a marineford 2.0 on us this late into wano

[gritty harbor]

he supposedly got captured, then they went to @harsh phoenix@ for him

war/battle

[robust basalt]

me too

[robust basalt]

yes 😔

[rare rose]

his arms and wings combine together probaly a hybrid form

[snow grove]

it would be classy if king has coc and clashed with zoro like luffy vs kata

[patent lantern]

Mihawk joins shank’s crew

[snow grove]

not in your wildest dream

[unborn kettle]

My theory is Yamato will have to stay behind. Several reasons why I think so?

1. Yamato is far to strong, Yamato is probably stronger than Zoro, Oda wouldn't even let Jinbei join until Sanji was at least a bit stronger.

2. Yamato has read Oden's journal, therfore knows the ending. I don't see how that dynamic would work on the crew? Especially when Luffy hates Spoilers?

3. Someone strong is going to have to watch over Wano after Kaido is defeated. Right now all of the strongest Samurai are seemingly dead? But this is OP so it's likely that none are dead. But this would be the perfect time for the WG or Blackbeard or whomever else to try and take Wano. Even if all the Samurai are up? None of them are as strong as Yamato. And currently Momo even though he has a big dragon form, wouldn't be able to do it.

I personally would like Yamato to join, because of how powerful she is. But I just don't see it happening. Also all the folks hoping for Carrot? Yeah that died when she just watch Catviper defeat Candyman.

[worldly anvil]

hmm yea I agree but does Oda?

[obtuse shore]

I've said it many times but if Yamato leaves they repeat Odens biggest mistake which would be kinda weird so I think they'll stay to protect Wano until Momonosuke can return as a proper adult and Yamato will leave Wano after that.

[pseudo citrus]

1. I don't think Oda cares as much for power scaling as many people assume. He just reaffirmed multiple times that Zoro and Sanji are the Wings of the Pirate King, does it really matter if someone strong joins the crew? You'll also find plenty of people arguing that Zoro and Sanji are stronger than Yamato, regardless.

2. Luffy didn't have any problem training for 18 months with Rayleigh, who knows everything. Also, Oden didn't trust his retainers with the knowledge of One Piece, it's not a stretch to guess that he didn't want to leave the secret in a journal that anyone could read.

3. Wano will be under the Strawhat flag. Fishman Island is the home of a confirmed Ancient Weapon, something we know many strong powers are after, yet the strongest fighter left behind was... Fukaboshi? Also, Wano will be protected by any remaining samurai and an army of Gifters.

[pseudo citrus]

Leaving was not Oden's mistake, and you'll be hard pressed to argue that Oda wants us to believe that wanting to be free is a mistake. His mistake was trying to take on the burden of protecting Wano on his own after he got back, dancing in the streets without telling anyone the truth is how Kaido secured his hold.

[obtuse shore]

Leaving at the wrong time when you have responsibilities, people relying on you. Complete freedom is explored enough through Luffy, Oden can be used to explore a different aspect. Yamato can leave later after rectifying Odens mistake while still "becoming free".

If Yamato doesn't fix Odens mistake, the cosplay is just a quirky gimmick. (I see it as a second chance for Oden.)

[supple anchor]

leaving also made Oden realize how important Wano was to the rest of the world and that he needed to open its borders

not to mention finding the one piece

[shadow horizon]

Or he could have just bodied the whole beast gang in a day with the Roger pirates.

[pseudo citrus]

Oden's duty was to wait 20 years for Joyboy and help him defeat Kaido. He died because he couldn't wait and tried to beat him alone. Yamato served that sentence and his helping Luffy defeat Kaido in Oden's place. Once Wano is open, Oden's will will be complete, and Wano can be left in the hands of the Kozuki family again.

If you say leaving is Oden's mistake, how is that a mistake you can fix? How is Yamato alone supposed to protect Wano from Blackbeard or the WG?

[obtuse shore]

Fix in the sense of, "I'm Oden"/wanting to emulate him and leave, but realising that there is actually a more important task here right now and that has to wait, because Yamato would be the strongest character to stay in Wano. The last question as such is whatever, they'd keep the strongest leader, and it would be an interesting reversal if Kaidos kid is the new "good" leader. (Until the "rightful heir" Momo returns ready to lead.)

[dreamy rune]

Jinbei was once stronger than luffy before he join the crew. Nico robin seems to be stronger than zoro and sanji before she joins the crew. It doesn't matter if yamato is stronger than zoro and sanji. In the end they will surpass Yamato and will always be luffy top 2 guy just like they surpassed jinbei in this arc. And secondly as roosta says wano could be strawhat territory. Nobody would dare to invade their territory after they become a yonko. So they don't necessarily need someone strong like Yamato to guard wano.

[restive kestrel]

So kimg will be death next chapt

[split glacier]

Depends how long 5 minutes last in One Piece World.

[pure raven]

h

[tacit veldt]

Franky also seemed quite clearly stronger than Sanji during the attack on the Sea Train, but that didnt change a thing when they got.to enies lobby

[limpid sequoia]

yeah don't use strength as a reason for someone to not join the pirate king's crew

[ashen surge]

Of course Yamato will join Starwhats to sail to laugh tale just like Oden did with Roger.

He's mirror to Oden like Franky is to Tom

[tacit veldt]

Well, Tom did stay at home tho

[amber oar]

Bad parallel because Tom stayed behind

[tropic musk]

nah because zoro actually hates black people or what

[ashen surge]

It's still one of the parallels that Oda loves.

[obtuse shore]

Or, you know, Momo comes instead of Oden

You know Tama wants to come too and would she come but Momo not

[pine delta]

why do people think tama wants to come

what is she gonna do?? cross her fingers their next opponent has a pet dog??

"sorry tama, none of these people have pets. you're gonna want to sit this one out"

[amber oar]

not really. There's, like, zero parallels between Roger and Luffy's crews. No, neither Zoro/Rayleigh

[brazen igloo]

King is going to have curly brows

[teal nymph]

yep that would pretty much conform sanji as a Lunarian imo

[spice berry]

[weary cliff]

Parallels don't mean half of what fans read into them, but it doesn't mean they don't exist at all. Luffy and Roger are pretty blatent to start with

[hollow grotto]

thank you

Parallels are often misread and/or overinflated as stretches to try and force connections, but they do exist.

[pine delta]

the only other character that was aggresively hiding their face is duval... so hmmm

i think it would be a neat parallel (lmao you got it stuck in my head) of king being a sanji proxy (lunarian, hid his face like duval) and queen being a zoro proxy (wants to be the greatest (scientist) in the world, can't think of another parallel at the moment tbh so this doesn't work)

im seeing like 2 chapters more to detail zoro vs sanji, maybe another 1 for a reveal (luffy new move?) and then have the kaido flashback, after that wrap up zoro and sanji fights to have kaido be the final foe

i don't think we've ever had luffy defeat the final villain before his crew finishes their own matchups, and having luffy pass out and then we shift the main conflict to momo holding up onigashima before the arc ends sounds like it would work. however the 5 act structure and the fact theres a lot of wildcards still in play (orochi the lurking legend, cp0, the fire, big mom) its gonna be long unless oda offscreens some stuff (no damage big mom :/)

[bitter kraken]

It would be way weird if sanji was actually a clone of king, but judge took out the wings when he was messing with the dna hella creepy tho

[pine delta]

it would make sense as a tie in to the bloodline element stuff. now that i think about it, with the world powers working hard to create artificial giants maybe people were doing horizontal research to make artificial other races

judge's other children look more like devil fruit prototypes though. maybe lunarians are like the "fire" bloodline element?

its tough to theorize because by this logic there exist a strand of dna inside brulee that make her access the mirror dimension, how do you even splice that into someone else

gonna be explained by Oda Logic Science Tm but idk how we can theorize before then because he could really make it happen in any way he wants

[raw palm]

King is like a Chad Sanji who doesn't care about women

[weak arrow]

What is the theory?

[amber oar]

nice fanart but it's not the place

[lean pine]

King

[pure raven]

When new movies? 😭

[pure raven]

Could be, sometimes movies have cannon elements.

[static anvil]

King can be his brother

[pure raven]

But, King is from a race that once stood above the Celestial Dragons.

[ivory nexus]

Aah so what oda trying to foreshadow here??

[grizzled fog]

You mean with the covers or the disaster? Not sure what you’re getting at

[trim trellis]

I said Gear 4 Lionman for 1027 but ppl were snarky about cover pages foreshadowing for some unknown reason.

[grizzled fog]

Cover page foreshadowing doesn’t really happen, like ever from what I can recall. I don’t think it’s much more than a coincidence to see a lion twice

[trim trellis]

The nami is pretty ambiguous

[flint inlet]

i just wanna see some more of rogers adventure 🥲

[grizzled fog]

What about the nami?

[trim trellis]

1026 its a normal cover request

[ivory nexus]

With the covers

[grizzled fog]

The lion in 1026 is from this btw

[pure raven]

What do yall think will happen with Onigashima? I can't really tell how high up it is right now but for a long time I've wanted it to end up on top of the Mt. Fuji behind the Flower Capital

Seems like it isn't up that high at the moment tho

[trim trellis]

rocks are going to fall on the flower capital and that'll be the warning sign to the ppl on the surface about the giant floating island above them

[pure raven]

Ah, yeah that is a way I hadn't thought about in a long time, kinda forgot about that possibility. Guess I just think it on the mountain would be a cool backdrop and I don't wanna see the capital destroyed lol

[trim trellis]

The capital might be destroyed but all the civilians will flee; and that will be the great tragedy if the act structure currently exists.

[pure raven]

yeah true. I am still hoping for 5 acts as well

[trim trellis]

8 chapters remaining for 2021 we might have a very skewed acts 4 and 5 being very rapid

[pure raven]

I think that'd work well honestly, 5 acts just feels right. Resting on the capital is prolly for the best, don't need a giant skull on the mountain overlooking Wano when theyll want to reclaim the country's former beauty after this

just have to wonder what theyll do with it when the arc is over

[trim trellis]

If u feel me act 4 will be kaido and company vs luffy and co; act 5 will be the big banquet

[pure raven]

yea Ive felt that acts 4 and 5 will be shorter for awhile now. Like I don't want the extra acts just for the sake of Wano being longer than it needs to be

Im not sure how I'd imagine act 4 will go but I do see 5 being the banquet

would not be surprised if we have a Kaido flashback right after act 3 as Oden's was right before it, I think that would fit pretty well. Don't see it being as long as Oden's tho

[trim trellis]

I dunno when were getting the Kaido flashback

it could be after he is defeated (he wont get killed) well into 2022

[weary cliff]

It's seriously doubtful at the point there's enough left of the raid to make a separate act. Even with a flashback. 5 acts is about dead

[pure raven]

I'm imagining there will be more Joyboy talk between Luffy and Kaido and that'll lead into some bits of flashback

Yea, that's a fair point honestly

[trim trellis]

Do yall think about Luffy calling certain ppl nicknames and how it was like before ppl like Franky and Brook joined?

[junior cape]

5 minutes left before kaido unleashes disaster

5 in-world minutes. Based on how like 2 chapters ago we were at 15 minutes, i think the average raid chapter can be attributed to about 5 minutes, assuming there are no fade-out jump cuts. With that in mind, i believe next chapter that the people of wano will see the island in the sky, and start to panic, only to see Momo flying around it, and stop panicking.

[latent raft]

Í think the people will think Momo dragon flying is Kaido

[pine delta]

how would people know who momo is. most of the population of wano 99% don't even know he is alive

actually more than that considering everyone who KNOWS momo is alive is probably on the island

[gentle lily]

Ok there are so many mythical zoans rn idk what to say

because I kinda think its a cop out rn

[junior cape]

that's why they'd lose fear, cuz "Kaido is here to save us!"

[lofty zenith]

I think they might show fights with killer and raizo in a "meanwhile" situation, taking place at the same time when whatever was taking place on rooftop, and then the 5 mins cooldown starts

[junior cape]

yeah

[sand chasm]

Luffy is actually rogers son

[compact grail]

Do you guys think , behind mask of king is someone we know in earlier chapter?

[oblique fjord]

i think he's gonna have a swirly eyebrow

[safe sable]

I think Luffy is calling other people nicknames instead of their real names if he still doesn't trust them or respect them. That's why after Hancock helped him out tremendously he started calling her Hancock instead of Hammock etc.

[safe sable]

I think King's face will be a huge revelation to the world of One Piece and it will be something unique.

[compact grail]

He called them like that because he really is hard to recall their name.. he just say what he can remember

[safe sable]

I think there is a deeper meaning to it, because if you think about it, every time he uses nicknames and then changes to real names, something happens for him to have the change of heart.

[compact grail]

What a about from mink tribe? Do you think he dint trust them enough to really call them by their name.. the 2 leader in mink tribe from what i can remember he still calling them like that

[oblique fjord]

its a mixture of the two, makes for good comedy

[safe sable]

I think it's a mixture of "trust" / "respect" / "closeness" etc

[compact grail]

Hoping that luffy will use some cool technique similar to gear 2nd.. first time i saw it make me goosebumps

[pure raven]

hopefully not that would be too bland. I do however believe they are both connected in some other way. Even the will of D could be just one large family tree out of some sort of vegapunk-ian experiment that happened in the void century etc.

[merry lark]

Emna definitely is alive and has a devil fruit

[merry lark]

facts

[fallen wigeon]

who dat

[merry lark]

zoros sword

[pearl wagon]

Do youthink there will ever be a water fruit?

[merry lark]

Maybe but the reason why the ocean takes the fruits users powers away is cause the sea is trying to claim the sea devil back

[pearl wagon]

Why is that funny

How didi laugh

[merry lark]

and i think all water but having a water fruit would be counter intuitive to that part of the story

[wintry coral]

i have a theory that is about this scene from ep 85

Chopper: "Doctor, What's a pirate?"

Dr. Hiluluk: "A pirate? Pirates are great men of the sea. They have a body hard like stone, the eyes of an eagle, and a voice that tears the sky asunder!"

which is basically hiluluk talking about haki.

After seeing this i stoped to think about “how did hiluluk knew what haki was?”

and i thought that maybe when he was cured by the sakura blossoms he wasn’t in Drum island since there aren’t any cherry blossoms there and i was re-watching the scene where we talks about when he was cured and he said that he was in kingdom in the Occident (Ep 85: 14:35)

and since Drum is to the right of the one piece map and there is no island to the left of it he had to the left side of the one piece world and he might have met pirates with haki and made his own crew

does that makes sense or i’m just high?

[native turret]

The whole him making a comparison to haki thing has been talked about a lot

[dark junco]

did any logia user ever use buso haki? or they cant?

[steel forum]

smoker used it

[grizzled fog]

All the admirals did in Marineford. Smoker did.

[mint prairie]

Is Law still Traffy?

[sly mulch]

I feel like kings face will be burned under the mask ( probably tortured by the World Government)but the shocking part is him having kinda of a similar tattoo on his face like Dragon’s tattoo. The tattoo might be related to the lunarians.

[pure raven]

imagine if one piece is some kind of devil fruit which was hidden for shanks lmao

[oblique fjord]

i think luffy ate a fruit that makes the user become a devil fruit....maybe

[modest skiff]

What exactly do you mean by this? Can’t tell if this is a serious theory or not. Keep in mind this channel is only intended for serious theories

[oblique fjord]

because when he goes gear 4th for the first time there is a slight image of a devil fruit during his transformation

had me thinking, sorry if it isn't that serious, but ive always been curious about it

[modest skiff]

So long as you genuinely think it’s true and you’re willing to elaborate on your thoughts, as you did, it’s considered sufficiently serious. We just ask people not to post jokes as “theories”. But it’s not like you need pages of support in order to be considered serious.

[oblique fjord]

okay cool! I'll keep it that in mind 🙂

if you are curious as to what i mean, it's right as his tatoos are forming, a purple devil fruit is underneath, just like the one he ate

[modest skiff]

I somewhat investigated something similar to this. A fruit that made something artificial didn’t seem to make sense to me (until the mochi fruit) so I tried to think about what kind of natural thing is rubber. Oda pulls a lot of inspiration from Indonesia as a whole, so I tried to find a rubber tree found in Indonesia. I found this, hoping it would give hints as to what his awakening could be. I’m not convinced he just turns things bouncy. I think it is deeper than that

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hevea_brasiliensis
I didn’t find anything that immediately stood out though. I think if devil fruits come from something, it is likely the eve tree, but Luffy’s awakening having to do with a rubber tree is still a curious thought to me

[stiff tusk]

Guys this is not a joke theory am I the only one who thinks that king may be shanks

Like prob not but it is a possibility considering they have the same height

And like the same exact height

[oblique fjord]

Yea the rubber tree came to mind for me as well. I always wonder what will be revealed in the future, but as it is now it seems there is definitely something more to it. Otherwise the gears wouldn't exist if he is simply made of rubber.

[stiff tusk]

Guys what if king is actually oden

[oblique fjord]

nah the hair doesn't match

[stiff tusk]

I think it is unlikely considering there bodies are not similari

[oblique fjord]

i tried looking at his body shape. He may be someone who hasn't been revealed in the past

[stiff tusk]

But shanks and king are very similar when you consider closed matching

Actually I compared them they are not too similar but still look close

Actually scratch that garp and king match PERFECTLY!!!!

[oblique fjord]

except king is 613cm in height. Garp is 287 cm.

[stiff tusk]

Where did you get that

[oblique fjord]

one piece wiki

[polar bolt]

nah they are not same height,
according to wiki page Shanks is 199 cm whereas King is 613cm

[stiff tusk]

Grahhhhhh

Just compare them tho

[polar bolt]

basically King is triple the size of shanks

[stiff tusk]

Just compare garp and king

[polar bolt]

Garp is 287

[stiff tusk]

I mean by appearance

[polar bolt]

nah King has Devil Fruit (Ryu Ryu no Mi, Model: Pteranodon) and Garp don't

[stiff tusk]

Guys that wiki is fanmade

[oblique fjord]

Honestly man there is no reason to compare garp and king

[polar bolt]

and we are talking about fictional characters.

[oblique fjord]

you can look at vivre cards and see this information, the wiki is just a collaboration of all the facts oda puts out himself

[polar bolt]

wiki is not a theory some random ass dude puts their opinion in it

[stiff tusk]

Oh yeah

Ok I admit defeat as a good theorist knows when to admit defeat

[polar bolt]

thats a good sport

but since King joined Kaido by his free will then there must be some motive behind it thus he seems interesing

[oblique fjord]

I always wondered why he is called king. He may be the last surviving successor of his people.

[polar bolt]

yeah it is written he is a last known survivor of his race

[stiff tusk]

Why do I have a feeling he is a fishman subspecies

[oblique fjord]

Jack is, so there is a possibility

[green basin]

it was already said that he is a lunarian, or u mean lunarian= subspecies?

[oblique fjord]

true

[polar bolt]

maybe King is just another creation or Hybrid of Vegapunk

'maybe'

[green basin]

do you guys sometimes think too that kaido is a wotan?

[gusty needle]

Any ideas on if there might be somewhat of a ranking in the OP world regarding top swordsmen / if there are any other up and coming swordsmen such as zolo?

[polar bolt]

i don't think kaido has relation with fishmans, but idk maybe he is

[green basin]

i think its not like a ranking list, but good swordsman get reconised in the world of one piece for sure. looking at vista vs mihawk

[gusty needle]

I often wish the top swordsmen thing was more defined such as path to PK

[modest skiff]

You’re not being serious and it’s obvious. Stop. This is for serious theories and yours aren’t serious.

[stiff tusk]

I was but I guess I was disproved

[gusty needle]

Yeah that interaction was what came to mind + trying to pontificate on who might’ve been worlds strongest pre mihawk

[stiff tusk]

It feels amazing being disproved cus every time you become a little bit smarter

[weary cliff]

This feels like the least likely option. He has wings and conjures fire. Two very un-fish things

[ancient vault]

Damn already 16 pinned theories

[polar bolt]

Kaido and King must be somewhat related to Giants

[weary cliff]

Not necessarily. Kaido is certainly plausible but there's not even a visyal connection for King

[oblique fjord]

Wasn't it revealed that he is of the ogre race?

[ancient vault]

Kind of but not 100% yet

[oblique fjord]

interesting. He may be something else entirely, remember when big mom said, "you won't take down that thing" or something like that

Not sure, but it seems like his existence was for something

"this world doesn't need two dragons"

[polar bolt]

oh yeah it is revealed that kaido is from Oni Tribe

he personally said it to Yamato

[oblique fjord]

While that may be a cliche line, i think it has a deeper meaning

[modest skiff]

I took Kaido saying him and Yamato were onis to mean they are Oni as a race

[ancient vault]

He said child of Onis

[green basin]

i just thoughht so because kaido seems not to be a human, but it would be better known if it was something "rare" like king so thinking of "generic" races in op what are not human fishman and giants are the first which come to mind, since kaido is to small for a giant i thought fishman, but he used a attack called Kosanze Ragnaraku what notes towards norse mythologie what notes towards giants in op. so i thought he might be a wotan. but propably im interpreting too much into it

[ancient vault]

Or child of ogres. But the sign for oni also means demons or it literally means demon so some ppl think its just similar to aces cause. Ace being a demon child

[oblique fjord]

I have a big question, can a devil fruit eat another devil fruit? Because oda has written inanimate objects being able to consume a fruit, i don't see why a fruit couldn't eat another

[modest skiff]

Do they use the same characters? My impression was Oda used a different character to represent Oni vs Devil

[ancient vault]

yes

[ancient vault]

Ace was called Demon iirc. Its robin whos devil child

[modest skiff]

So you’re saying the character for Oni is the same as Demon? @sturdy hound can you explain this?

[ancient vault]

Oni literally means demon
The character in aces case was used

[polar bolt]

"race of Giants that have demonic features and are generally larger than normal giants."

i don't think oni is same as Demon. they just have demonic features

[ancient vault]

where did u get that from?

[polar bolt]

wiki

[oblique fjord]

oni tribe wiki

so kaido is oni, but he doesn't really look like an oni other than his horns.

[ancient vault]

They literally came up with it. That was nowhere said lol. You should ignore that until we get a proper explanation in the manga

[polar bolt]

well, lets consider that now couz it is not confirmed currently in manga

[oblique fjord]

what do we need to confirm it?

[sturdy hound]

Oni is translated as “demon/ogre” but it’s its own creature, written 鬼 And the there’s devil 悪魔.

Robin is called 悪魔の子 “devil child”

Ace was called “鬼の子” by dadan and sengoku iirc, it’s literally “oni child” but it’s obvious that it’s not meant as Roger being a literal oni, so the better translation is “demon child” as well, like robin.

Yamato was called 鬼の子 like ace. For now, there is not any definitive proof for it being a literal oni, but seeing that oni are an inspiration for kaido and “onigashima” literally meaning “oni island” it has potential to be an actual bloodline.

Tl;dr oni and demon are different

[oblique fjord]

is it not enough that kaido himself said it?

im just curious

[modest skiff]

Thanks for the thorough explanation!

[polar bolt]

now thats the way to describe it!

[sturdy hound]

my pleasure

nice quick read
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oni

the reason oni is translated as "demon/ogre" is the lack of an english counterpart becuase it's just a jp yokai

[ancient vault]

It def adds to it and I myself still believe that its an Oni race for the same reasons Mip listed but you cant ignore the possible other option since it was used like that before. Though I think its more likely to assume it was meant in a literal sense with all the context around it

[sturdy hound]

but it's a different creature/species

[ancient vault]

Mip, I heard foreigners used to be called Onis in the past

[green basin]

the way he said it isnt, he said to yamato you're the child of an oni. enough would be something like you are an oni behave like that or so, the way he phrased it makes it more a mataphor about himself in my opinion. also with king as lunarian in the story i feel like having kaido being a part of a super rare possebly extinct race as well would be a bit off.

[polar bolt]

like my old man used to say " English is a Funny Language"

[sturdy hound]

I’m not well versed in jp history but I can see that during heiya or meji lol

[stiff tusk]

What do you mean "used to say"

[polar bolt]

kaido to yamato
"You're the offspring of an oni!! Relying on the frienship of humans is beneath you!! "

[oblique fjord]

oh i see, so it isn't directly related to kaido himself

yamato may be, but kaido is still up in the air

[polar bolt]

well yamato is kaido's son so kaido is oni by this statement

[oblique fjord]

yea it just needs further clarification i think

[stiff tusk]

Guys what if momo becomes the next kaido

[green basin]

oni isnt even even a confirmed race in one piece to begin with

it has only been used in figures of speech so far unlike every other "race" in one piece.

[ancient vault]

The guy is japanese himself

[sturdy hound]

then yea lol

[polar bolt]

well, ill change the topic, anyone have any theory about IM.
that black guy who sits on a empty throne in Levely Arc.

[sturdy hound]

smth worth mentioning here is that marco said "our common goal of exterminating kaido" but the kanji reads 鬼退治 which is a ritual japanese people do to drive away/exterminate the onis from their houses once a year. it might just be a pun, but i think it has some significance as the reading for the kanji "oni" is substituted by "kaido"

it's still a pun ofc, but i think it has significance now that kaido told yamato she's the offspring of onis

[full minnow]

Who yall think King is?

[junior cape]

King is King, its unlikely we know him beyond that.

I guess we'll find out when zoro rips his mask off

[neon shoal]

Honestly its kinda true

[full minnow]

He does have similar hair

[white merlin]

So guys enlighten me pls... so I've read about the zoro-ryuma connection. And that some of the samurai see a resemblance between the two... my question is and something I haven't seen discussed (which it may have been but I just haven't seen it), how come those same samurai haven't taken notice/recognized of wado ichimonji?

[weak arrow]

Hitetsu is a swordsmith so he would much more easily see the connection. The samurai would likely not see the connection so easily.

[desert hatch]

ryuma was 400 years ago right? or we dont know, i forget

[boreal gate]

Why did you erase my theory?

[modest skiff]

!theories

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using #manga-theories for any joke theories you may have. This channel is strictly for serious discussion on the realm of possibilities one truly believes in, and can explain in a manner that conveys why. Please consider this a general warning.

[boreal gate]

lmfao "serious" ok

[desert hatch]

yea i dont think we know, i was gonna say if it was 400 years ago and we know that ryuma traveled, he coulda met noland. but i doubt theres a connection

[weak arrow]

Yeah pretty sure it's unknown as monsters isnt canon

[hollow meteor]

I think its mentioned that he was alive centuries ago but theres no specific dates

[desert hatch]

dam, that woulda been sick low key

[boreal gate]

I think the guy said it's a tradition in his family for the past 800 years

[modest skiff]

Yeah I had the same thought. I think there's more to be learned about Noland. Don't think we are quite done with his history quite yet. But without anything beyond "hundreds", it is a big question mark

[white merlin]

But wouldn't hitetsu have taken noticed/recognized wado ichimonji when giving zoro enma, since they were created by the same person? Or maybe I'm just dumb and need to reread/rewatch...

[modest skiff]

Hitetsu is overall a bit mysterious, to say the least, since he's wearing a mask. I feel like even if he recognized wado ichimonji, he would try to keep a low profile and not make a big deal out of it. If he was trying to stay out of the way as much as possible, he would have no real incentive to engage with Zoro regarding his swords. It is possible he was sitting there like trying to keep his shit together and not draw attention to himself

[white merlin]

Definitely did not think about it like that. Could very well be.. so much mystery

[sturdy hound]

wasnt hitetsu the one that mentioned that wado was made by the same sword-smith or am i misremembering

[desert hatch]

i thought so too lol

mightve been hiyori tho

[white merlin]

I don't remember I need to go back and reread all of the wano arc lol

[desert hatch]

lol i really like the idea of him being sukiyaki

just so momo can inherit the poneqlyph info, unless robin gives him some study material

i guess it might not matter much at the end of one piece tho

[modest skiff]

Just in case you haven't seen this, here's a very convincing theory #manga-theories message

[desert hatch]

yea thats what i was talking about

when i first read that shit i was all for it😂😂

[weak arrow]

Yes, hitetsu was the one who recognized wado, which is why i said that

Well, recognized it was made by kozaburo shimotsuki at least

[mental bluff]

||So kings face||

||Is he a human||

[modest skiff]

No need for spoiler tags after TCB scans are up. Check manga channel descriptions for which chapter is no longer considered spoilers.

As for your question, seems inconceivable they are strictly human due to their ability to manipulate fire without a devil fruit. Humanoid, sure, but I would say the strong implication at this point is Lunarian.

[junior cape]

King is based

[pseudo citrus]

I didn't think about it this way, but I like it... it bothered me that the knowledge of the poneglyphs died with Oden. While we know that Robin is safe, from within the world it's not great if the last person capable of translating them is risking her life as a pirate.

[maiden wolf]

Anyone else think that the guy who saved the scabbards was Shanks?

[bitter kraken]

That’s pretty much impossible, the silhouette looked nothing like shanks and the ones who reported that someone was helping them prolly woulda been more freaked out that another yonko was on the scene lol

[faint flame]

Based on what

[light onyx]

…

[sage wren]

The pH scale

[prime wing]

__/10

[stoic girder]

Interesting parallel

[sturdy hound]

probably not much there, just oda habits or smth

[stoic girder]

I wouldn't really dismiss it as nothing to be honest. I feel like dressrosa is a bit of foreshadowing to what might have happened to the ancient kingdom.

[sturdy hound]

what could it mean then

[supple anchor]

we likely wont be able to see all the actual parallels until the story is finished. Dressrosa was also a parallel to Alabasta

[sturdy hound]

the only thing i can see is that doffy was a celestial dragon and probably knows about imu so it's just a cool visual

[grizzled fog]

Why was dressrosa a parallel to alabasta. I hear this so much and it makes no sense

[sturdy hound]

one sec vem

i gotchu

[supple anchor]

shichibukai tried to take over the country, they used schemes and manipulation. Croc used Bon Clay to look like the Cobra and Doffy used his powers directly to manipulate his body. Dressrose is like an example of what Alabasta could have become

[sturdy hound]

there's a post about it even https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/2p85wt/list_of_similarities_between_dressrosa_and/

but i see that image alot

[supple anchor]

yeah the image is way better than what i said

[sturdy hound]

the post is more thorough

so do you get it now vem?

there's a lot of theories that stem from it about how the new world parallels pre ts/ grand line

thats' part of why you have that morj sh chart

i persoanlly dont think it means much

[stoic girder]

I feel like dressrosa in general has a lot of hidden hints that could tie back to the ancient kingdom.(headcanon)
-Ope Ope no mi eternal youth
-Giolla's art representing the tragedy of dressrosa and maybe the ancient kingdom?
-Doffy and his retainers could be similar to Imu and the Gorosei
-The whole country of dressrosa having lost their memories and Imu preparing for a great cleansing?

[sturdy hound]

those are just natural connections because the stuff about the wg/celestial dragons was revealed in that arc and doffy being who he is

the art thing is really interesting tho, i can def see some meaning behind it

how did she explain it again?

[stoic girder]

Pretty interesting she calls it "Dying" art. You can see 2 people on the opposite side, one trying to grab something and the other trying to stop it? Then there's the obvious sun and moon connection in it.

[sturdy hound]

was this shown before or after the riku fb

the one where doffy blackmails him

[stoic girder]

This image was shown in chapter 722, so it most likely happens before the Riku Flashback which takes place in a later chapter.

[sturdy hound]

then it could be foreshadowing the events of that flashback

since she specifically says "the tragedy of dressrosa"

we see a person with a crown sad with flames behind him

[stoic girder]

I mean yeah the art is an obvious foreshadowing to Dressrosa. I'm wondering if it could potentially be foreshadowing to the ancient kingdom.

[sturdy hound]

it would be very specific and it has already served its purpose so idk

[stoic girder]

We already know the art represents dressrosa and the tragedy of it, but what if the tragedy happened to the whole world? What single event could have given the world government so much power over the current world today? What tragedy and suffering would they have had to cause to gain the amount of power they had today?

Doflamingo managed to hide the truth of dressrosa in plain sights infront of everyone. They had no idea that they lost something very important to them. It could be the same for the OP world in general, maybe the truth is right in front of everyone's eyes, but they don't notice it. It could be why Rayleigh said the strawhats would come to a different answer once they reach laugh tale. Though for answer to exist, a question must exist as well. So what question will need to be answered once they reach laughtale? I'm just speculating at this point, but I just find it pretty interesting.

This brings up another topic I'm interested to learn about. We've still yet to dive into the revolutionaries and dragon in general. I'm hoping we get a flashback of when and why the revolutionaries were created. What was the chain reaction that caused them on a path to clash with the world government. One side is trying to hide the truth of the world while another side wants to shed light on the truth. Dragon as a character is gonna be dope to learn about.

[modest skiff]

Yeah Dressrosa made me think there may have been a mass amnesia event in the void century when I watched it

[solemn sentinel]

King is from the moon?

[desert hatch]

maybe his race was, or one of the other satellites we saw in ohara. a popular idea is that all the different races came from those satellites. examples include the skypeians and the other sky island races as well as the space minks we see using electro on some of the cover stories

this also ties into the idea that red line was made from these satellites and maybe thats why kings race resided on the red line?? not concrete but i still think its interesting

a counter would be tho that the 'electro' the space pirates were using was just the affects attacking the automata and enel or it was just the weapons they were using. oda drew this before we got to zou and actually saw electro, they could be a completely different race.

[steep vigil]

I have a theory ace's body is the key to the one piece

[desert hatch]

theory or idea? like is there evidence?

[steep vigil]

There is some in marineford, whitebeard said in a mumble that the key has been dropped

[desert hatch]

could u send the panel if u have it? i dont remember

not trynna hate, just havent heard that idea before and dont really see how it could work

the only thing i can think of off the top of my head is when roger answers 'my son will find it' or something like that and everyones like 'wat son?'

[alpine forge]

I have a query. Can garp use CoC like the yonko. Cuz we heard he used to fight roger and as we know roger had CoC that could spilt the sky

[grizzled fog]

We don’t know, but probably not

[robust sky]

!cl

[pure raven]

that would be dope, a fruit that negates the one weak ness of all df users

[mental bluff]

Stupid theory: Could it be possible that King is Zoros father?

[stuck ore]

Maybe the king of alabasta dies and vivi being the only one who knows about pluto gets chased by wg

[hollow grotto]

was this from that Ohara video where they talked about the left eye thing?

or atleast, was your inspiration for this idea sprung from that

[stoic girder]

The Denies lobby one?

[hollow grotto]

yeah, that one

[stoic girder]

Nah, I got the inspiration off the idea from a Twitter user

[hollow grotto]

nice, the idea that her art had some sort of hidden meaning would make sense, as a lot of artists add symbolic meaning in an image, and Oda is no stranger to that. Dressrosa feels like it's telling the story of the wider world in the mypoic lens of just one island, so if this artwork served as relevance to the Void Century or something of that nature, that'd be neat

[turbid jasper]

Volume 102 Predictions: Onigashima Ends Here!
1028: Focus on Sanji figuring out whatever is up with his body. Fukurokuju and/or Hawkins fights in the background. Probably some BM stuff? Ends with Sanji landing a big hit on Queen for the finale.
1029: Momo/Flower capital chapter and more background stuff. Clashing between Luffy and Kaido intensify and CP0 probably comments on the status of the war. Sanji equips RS for the finale.
1030: Zoro vs King stuff. Wrapping up all tertiary fights like Hawkins and Fukurokuju. Finale is King's face reveal.
1031: Catching up with Momo and Yamato as the Flower Capital panics, seeing Onigashima wavering above them as Kaido's strength fades. Luffy has a final breakthrough in his fight with Kaido, and the two are now on completely even terms. RS Sanji defeats Queen as the finale.
1032: Zoro does some shiz and defeats King in the last panel while the rest of the Straw Hats are doing stuff in the background. Chopper has probably recovered from Baby Geezer by now.
1033: Straw Hats wind up on the live Floor fighting the horde of Beast Pirates who still greatly outnumber the Alliance samurai. Chapter Ends with a big group shot of everyone in the crew fighting together.
1034: Probably mostly Luffy vs Kaido and Kid and Law vs Big Mom. Would be interesting to see Port Mogura come into play at some point. Maybe the Big Mom pirates arrive and the crew has to fight them?
1035: Luffy vs Kaido ends with Kaido crashing through the Skull Dome, unconscious, in the middle of the Beast Pirates, who are dumbfounded. Momo catches Onigashima. End of Volume?
1036: Possible additional chapter for the volume (some Volumes are 11 chapters instead of 10) stretching out everything I've said above to this point. I swear if Port Mogura was just a red herring I'm going to fart in Oda's cereal.

And this means I think Volume 103 will be the conclusion of Wano with a big party celebrating Jinbe and Yamato joining the crew as Momo and Hiyori reunite. There will probably be a couple chapters of transition to the next arc with us finally learning what the hell happened at the Reverie; what Blackbeard was going after; and the where, what, and why Shanks is making his move. I personally think Shanks is the next major opponent for Luffy.

[dreamy rune]

The next major opponent seems to be blackbeard. There is lots of hints that show we are gonna see strawhat vs blackbeard. Like if there is any villain that has the possibility being stronger than kaido its BB imo. Not saying he might be stronger than him rn. But maybe after he gets 3rd devil fruit. Blackbeard seems to be last obstacle that luffy is going to face before he becomes pirate King.

[hardy swan]

!mangawhere

[lone hedge]

<#🔗old-wiki message>

[old kiln]

How do u fight quakes, like fr?
Like he has dark abilities, that can devour/swallow things
and than u also have his quakes abilites which he can use from a long range and not care about his teammates at all if driven in a desperate situation

[unkempt pulsar]

I'm pretty sure df users are weak to sea water (water+salt) and the water df probably would be very weak since u could throw salt on the user

[dreamy rune]

And that's why haki is important. Armanent haki is something that can be used as defensive. So maybe his quack attack can be defended by using haki. What I know is in this fight he really has to depend on his haki rather than df. Like his other df yami yami no mi can cancel other devil fruit effect. Maybe this is too soon to say but I could say this is going to be luffy most difficult fight ever.

Blackbeard have 2 df which is very destructive and dangerous but having 2 df there is going to be some sort of big weakness. So maybe that weakness is the key to defeat blackbeard.

[snow grove]

I think kings weak spot is his flames

[pearl wagon]

What devil fruit do you thjnk bb is gojng for next? Maybe one of the mythical zoans

Or an ancient zoan. I say zoan because he has a paramecia and a logia, zo maybe he could get a zoan

[snow grove]

he'll be confused wish one to use

[deep crypt]

mythical Kraken fruit would be neat

[bitter kraken]

For BB to negate someone’s DF he has to be making physical contact that’s where he’s vulnerable we saw that against ace and WB lol even when he has grabbing WB, the dying old man was able to do massive damage to him xD so to beat his yami fruit I’d say any fighters chance is when he’s pulling them in to make contact or at the point of contact. I also don’t think he’ll get a third devil fruit, that kinda woulda be just wtf to me because having two is already unheard of but 3 I mean come on

[eternal quarry]

Zoro will use Asura 9 sword style to defeat ashura

[pearl wagon]

Yeah but its blackbeard, all he wants is power

[alpine forge]

Yeh than ushimaru is brook's big brother

[alpine forge]

Then comes sh

[alpine forge]

Advanced CoC

[maiden wolf]

sorry, but where is Skanks? He is supposed to make his move and this takes up the rest of the year.

[heady parrot]

oda is almost always off with his timing on predicting when certain characters will get their moments by 6-12 months

[maiden wolf]

I personally think Shanks will either be the guy who saved the scabbards and shows up in wano, or he makes his move after he sees kaido gets beat.

[heady parrot]

shanks will prolly get panel time at the end of wano or right after

[maiden wolf]

yeah, but this is something really big

[heady parrot]

eh so have a lot of the other time related predictions

[pure raven]

Is someone in the gorosei vegapunk?

[mossy oyster]

Doubt it

4 years before current arc vegapunk and Caesar were experimenting together weren't they

[heady parrot]

and vegapunks head shadow wasn’t shaped like any of the gorosei heads.

[small pewter]

imu is a woman

[light onyx]

I wonder why everyone thinks that

[small pewter]

cuz she is symbolized by the goddess of life gaia

[small pewter]

you know the weapons of mass destruction?

[light onyx]

Ye

[small pewter]

the 3 ancient weapons of destruction are named after 3 planets. 5 celestials bow down to imu and imu is the 9th one. making 9 planets in our solar system. also a woman represents somone that gives life. imu represent earth which sybomlises not only life but gaia the goddess of life which comes from greek philosophy. which also proves that all the planets aka the weapons of mass destruction are named after greek gods

[light onyx]

😲

I know Greek mythology

[small pewter]

what do you think?

[light onyx]

Great theory it kinda makes sense it’s not crazy that people are making references to mythologies

[small pewter]

i can go far. but one scene shows imu in a garden of total peace and life

[light onyx]

After all it is once piece some things are mythology based

[small pewter]

yh

[light onyx]

It could be his garden of Eden after all he is considered a god and anyone with D in their name are enemy to the gods

[small pewter]

yh exactly

also i think imu and robin are in the same coin rather i say robin reoresent the devil too. and both are women and both might have similar backstories. robin seen as devil. imu seen as a goddess and praised by eveyone

and robin gets hated and judged cuz she is a "devil"

[light onyx]

Fair point

[small pewter]

yh man its crazy that i got the same ideas then i looked at ohara video that he dropped like couple of weeks and we are both right and 33 evil

[simple totem]

I'm on Arlong park and I have a theory on what will happen next arc: new Island??? Iel

[light onyx]

Lmfao correct ig

[simple totem]

Oh wow

I'm reading the coloured manga since its way faster. Will watch anime when I enter wano

[light onyx]

Ohara has great theories but I cannot stand him at times

[simple totem]

Then once catched up will read manga

[small pewter]

yh some things i disagred with him. but the fact he and 33evil had the same ideas as me was insane.

[light onyx]

Pmfao

[small pewter]

i know. they dropped their video like early sept and i knew this stuff like months ago was insane

[light onyx]

😲

[small pewter]

he also said about her symbolising nymph. cuz imu = umi water and water and life are synonymous. ironically water and life are represented by earth. which all connects with gaia. idk that much about greek philosophy but all of this makes too much sense

maybe you know the correlation between nymph and gaia

[light onyx]

Bruh I just realised imu meant umi bruhhh

[small pewter]

it all fits. are nymph and gaia connected with each other?

like life, fertility, nourshement, beauty etc ?

or story or som?

[light onyx]

I mean ig everything is related to gaia as she’s like the god of nature and life and stuff like that

[small pewter]

man this is all makes sense

[lucid bone]

I think the god valley incident ended off with a betrayal.The rocks pirate was definitely a unloyal crew so I highly except it ended this way. In my opinion i think what led to rocks death was that all 3 yonkos, shiki, and john betrayed rocks at the very end which resulted with garp,roger,yonkos,shiki,and John handicapping rocks which ultimately led to his downfall

[turbid jasper]

Bruh there's only 8 planets in our solar system.

Unless you're including Dwarf planets, then there's 13.

[light onyx]

We have giants but do we have dwarves?

[turbid jasper]

In OP? Yes, the Tontatta.

[zinc iris]

this reminds me that I expect Noland Montblanc to be relevant in Elbaf

[modest skiff]

What makes you say Elbaf in particular? I definitely think he shows up again, but I have had a hard time deciding where. I have baseless guesses but nothing that I feel like has evidence

[mighty burrow]

I don’t think that all of the yonko turned on rocks I think it’s more likely that they all realized how strong they were and set out to create their own crews

[zinc iris]

because I feel that Noland is based on Gulliver, and he already went on a sky island (Laputa) even tho it wasn't there yet, and in a land of small people (Lilliput) with the Tontatta also clearly based on those people by how they tied Robin to the ground in that classic manner
One of the place Gulliver went was the land of giant people (Brobdingnag) so I expect Noland was likewise involved with the Giants
Also while searching for the name of the island of giant I found out Gulliver was a surgeon before becoming a captain, like Noland was also a doctor

[modest skiff]

Alright that's more than sufficiently convincing. Nice thinking, @zinc iris

[maiden wolf]

Anyone else think shiki is gonna show up with all the lions in cover pages?

[modest skiff]

Which lions are you referring to? I do think Shiki shows up soon, since he was talking about "just wait 20 years", just like this whole Wano stuff. It feels like Shiki may be waiting for Joyboy to show up. My hope is that if Luffy ends up appearing to be Joyboy, Shiki tries to initiate a partnership with him against the CDs

[maiden wolf]

look at the latest chapter, I'm not sure about the other chapter numbers, but Roger is being chased by a lion in 1027

[modest skiff]

So then how do those lions relate to Shiki? Just because Shiki attacked Roger?

[weak arrow]

His epithet is golden lion I assume is the logic

[modest skiff]

So then couldn't the cover page have just been a metaphor for frustrating Shiki and Shiki attacking Roger?

[midnight heron]

Sora had her wings cut off at some point in her life, i mean her name is a pun to the word soar. Unless she’s hiding them somehow.

[small pewter]

including pluto

[small pewter]

actually used to be 9 until 2006

[small pewter]

no im talking about 9 planets. pluto included which is named after an ancient weapon of destruction. same with uranus and neptune. all named after those gods, theory still stands really strong.

[amber oar]

if I'm not wrong when Oda named Pluton, Pluto was still considered a planet.

[light onyx]

Pluto a misunderstood planet😔

[amber oar]

for the OGs, Pluto is a planet in our hearts.

[small pewter]

for real theory still stands too strong. the imu theory makes too much sense

[amber oar]

Laputa... a name that gives a lot of fuel for 12 year old jokes in hispanic countries

[zinc iris]

rumors say Jonathan Switft chose that name on purpose

as he was fluent in Spanish too and pretty satirical

[slim venture]

Pluton and Pluto all have similar word origins though

[leaden lily]

Hi, good night :))
Firstable, sorry for my english, not my first language. Secondable I know this is not new but these days i've seen a lot of Shanks theory that he will be one of the best antagonists and there's a lot of clues. Like I said before, I know this is not new, but I'm getting curious about this theory. What do yall think?? :DDD

[proud tree]

I think it is ungrounded speculation. Everytime Luffy meets Shanks and Shanks cares genuinely for Luffy. So Shanks becoming evil would go against his entire character setup.

[tawdry bramble]

Shanks being evil would need explained very well for me to buy it. Not saying Oda couldn’t accomplish it but I do think it would likely ruin Shanks” character. Why turn someone to the dark side when there is already more than enough dark side to go around?

[dense carbon]

I cant see it at all. Yeah, I've heard all the theories and reaches out there, but I'm not buying it.

[modest skiff]

The only evidence we have is him meeting with Gorosei and there’s like 100 other explanations for that. The only way he could end up evil would be if he knew Luffy is special, so he wants Luffy to do a bunch of stuff first and then reap what Luffy’s done. Like it would need to be that his plan was to help Luffy purely as a tool this whole time. And from that perspective it would be impossible for us to detect other than meeting Gorosei.

[mint prairie]

I'd say he's up to something, but might not necessarily be evil. Double/Triple agents who ultimately side with the main characters are not uncommon in works that tackle stories with political drama.

[modest skiff]

My shanks theory is that he is pretending to be working for the Gorosei but in reality he is feeding them limited information to buy Luffy time to mature and become unstoppable

[maiden wolf]

because it would be the greatest challenge for Luffy to grow in his theme. Breaking free from connections, and breaking free from evil everywhere he turns

[stoic girder]

[bitter kraken]

I don’t think shanks is working for anyone, he’s prolly one of the strongest in the whole OP universe and had a powerful position in it as a yonko. Dosnt really seem like the kinda person to work for anyone, if anything I’d say he has a sorta alliance or truce with the world gov but why is the question. He could have knowledge, or even an ancient weapon. I wonder tho and idk if it’s been revealed or anything, but has shanks already been to the one piece? He told buggy they would go once they had their own crews and shanks already has a powerful crew what’s to really stop him from getting to it

[slim venture]

I think Shanks is 1/2 CD and Roger raised him after killing his dad with Garp at God Valley

I think that’s why Roger said it’s been a while since they had a baby on the ship.

[gusty cobalt]

king Zoro's dad 🤝

cliché

[deep herald]

I feel like shanks will be the final antagonist. Luffy will eventually make it to Laugh Tale meet shanks there and Luffy would have to fight shanks to claim the one piece and become pirate king and Luffy ends up winning after like 20 chapters and the fight ends with Luffy leaving his hat with shanks grave just like aces

boom perfect end, no other loose ends at all I just finished one piece someone pay me

[sacred hawk]

You know, in hindsight it was a really stupid idea on Kaido's part to kill off Orochi. There was no reason for Kaido to do that at all.

Firstly, Orochi's main desire is to see the people of Wano suffer. And considering what he had in mind for the flower capital, I'm sure Orochi would have been on board with the idea if Kaido had sorted out the details with Orochi beforehand rather than springing it on him during the announcement.

Furthermore, Kaido himself said that he'd need someone to keep New Onigashima running while he was out doing pirate raids. The problem is, Yamato has repeatedly made it clear that she wants nothing to do with the Beasts Pirates, and has spent her entire childhood sneaking around the Island and pretending to be Oden.

[left field]

I'll pay u $0

[sacred hawk]

So essentially, Kaido killed off the guy who even he admitted was excellent at the job that is fundemental to their whole operation, just to leave the position open for someone who he knows doesn't want it, won't take it, and has a vested interest in dismantling his whole operation.

[deep herald]

very rude

[upbeat mist]

i mean he WANTS it to be yamato but one of king/queen/failure could just stay behind while the other 2 are out pillaging

[sacred hawk]

What I'm saying is that there isn't really any need to kill Orochi in the first place

[mint prairie]

You really had to do my boy Jack dirty like that.

[sacred hawk]

Because if you're gonna have King or Queen stay behind in the event that Yamato doesn't play ball, then the only thing that Kaido accomplishes by killing Orochi is ensuring that he can't have all 3 calamities ready for battle

[vestal orbit]

thought roach would probably protest since kaido would now be ruling over wano directly instead of supporting him in his rule

[sacred hawk]

But Kaido wouldn't be ruling Wano. The plan was always to have someone else run it for him. That's why he announced that Yamato would be the new shogun

[vestal orbit]

yamato would be shogun but the shogun would be under the beast pirates

at least that's how i saw it

so like instead of the beast pirates supporting the shogun the shogun would now be supporting the beast pirates

[modest skiff]

We don’t know the entire reason Kaido killed Orochi

[steep isle]

Didn’t Kaido just kill him because he had enough with him and didn’t need him anymore

[modest skiff]

Very likely so. Without knowing Kaido’s entire plan for Wano, it is hard to say he made a mistake in trying to kill Orochi. I think it’s very likely Derpalooza’s logic ends up being right

[steep isle]

Could be but remember Kaido said his announcement involved Yamato before Orochi died

[junior cape]

I think Kaido's plan was simple from the beginning. Take over Wano, turn it into a pirate fortress like Fullalead, and then just wage war until someone gets strong enough to kill him.

He always wanted to go out with a bang by someone else's hands

Waging world war would let him do that

[steep isle]

Yeah

[umbral island]

imagine him becoming a disciple of gold Roger after his defeat at the god valley incident. then he becomes a one-sided disciple of Roger. before Roger's death he begs Roger to give him some purpose. and Roger tells him "I don't have any purpose to give to you but if you can one day find joy boy support him or someshit"

then he looks for this joy boy for years. can't find him. gives up. becomes a suicidal savage

luffy and kidd gave him hope that they might be joy boy that's why he didn't kill them even though they were insubordinate but after luffy getting defeated he sensed something and realised that he was not joy boy either smh

[junior cape]

Whoever or whatever joyboy is, luffy is not aiming to be him, at least not consciously. Luffy only wants to be pirate king, freest man in the world, nothing more.

If that's what joyboy entails, then so be it.

But he is NOT aiming for that by his own knowledge

[umbral island]

not the point I was making

[pearl wagon]

Do we know who hte division 1 commander was when oden was in the crew?

[quaint dove]

Division commanders got placed when Oden was in the crew. 1st division is the medical division so probably was always Marco from the start, 2nd was the combat division which is why Oden got put in charge

[spare gulch]

So would Jozus division be the defense division and vista's the swordsmen division and the pocket dude the supplies division?

[silk sandal]

Luffy will die

[raw palm]

does anyone else feel like the akazaya fights are boring

[pure raven]

I feel that the worst is about to come, Big Mom is mostly undamaged and Luffy and Co can barely stand after taking Kaido down.

[compact glade]

Which is where the rest have to take her down

[pure raven]

Which is why she won't be defeated this arc.. once her crew shows up she'll retreat

[pearl wagon]

This is kinda a funnny questio , but im actually curious how zoro has green hair, or any character with green hair for that matter in flash backs of zoro, we see that even as a child he had green hair. Other characters like gaimon and yonji also have green hair, so im struggling to understand

[autumn leaf]

Wouldn't read too much into it. Bartolomeo was also introduced with green hair and no-one seems to make any kinda deal of it

[silk sandal]

Akainu vs whitebeard was a funny fight how short Akainu was compare to whitebeard

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-edward-newgate-surprise-gif-19039130

Just look at dat

[autumn leaf]

There's a cool origin story for why Oda made whitebeard be as tall as he is

[silk sandal]

Really

Whitebeard is 666cm tall

[autumn leaf]

Yeah he was from Oda's childhood. He knew this huge old dude that had those oxygen tubes in his nose and I guess at the time the guy was a giant to him

[silk sandal]

I will like to be big like whitebeard

I'll be able to see on the school bus

[limpid sequoia]

Orochi still wanted power when he had no means to keep it, he is literally a useless shell of a shogun that didn't need to exist in Kaido's plans

[hazy frigate]

I think luffy will lose an arm, in this fight with kaido, and I m only assuming that because in one sbs (I don't remember which one) oda did say something along the lines " let's see if luffy comes out of this unharmed", and it will also make sense as to the silhouette, where queen otohime talks about a person who will guide shirahoshi. If you look at the silhouette you would immediately think it's shanks, bcoz of one missing arm and the cape, but what if luffy is the one who loses an arm after this fight. And as you know luffy has been wearing the cape for a while now it might become his permanent outfit. This will greatly parallel shanks when he lost an arm to the sea king.

[pure raven]

Wow thats cool

Whitebeard is one of the best characters i've seen in shonen

[faint aspen]

Is luffy carrying the will of joy boy or not??

[untold yacht]

I don't know how he'll fight with just one arm

[hazy frigate]

I have no idea..but there must be a way to write such fights

[limpid sequoia]

is the silhouette you're talking about in the manga? and I don't ever see any of the strawhats losing limbs cause it just messes with most of their character designs, like Ussop needs 2 hands to use his slingshot, zoro to hold 3 swords, robin to use her df, etc.

[void tree]

luffy wont lose an arm

[errant nova]

All wack, just waiting for the Sunacchi moment

[hazy frigate]

Yesss it is in the manga

Chapter 626 page 11

[limpid sequoia]

ur talking about this?

[hazy frigate]

Yessss ..to any reader it will be like oh it's shanks.

Kind of intentional to show one arm too

[limpid sequoia]

yeah but I'm pretty sure that is a silhouette of a past character because it obviously doesn't look like Luffy

[hazy frigate]

Could be, I'm not like hell bent on the theory

[limpid sequoia]

and if u wanna use a silhouette just remember this is BM and Kaido pre ts

[hazy frigate]

Yess but who do you think is close to mermaid princess, oda can't just introduce us to a random new character who will guide shirahoshi.

[limpid sequoia]

I'm not saying that Luffy isn't who she was talking about, I'm saying that that image of the person she imagines could have been someone like Joyboy who was the previous one to find and help Poseidon

[hazy frigate]

Yeah that could be true but looking at the dialogue she is talking about future event

[shell kettle]

I think that when Yamato joins the mugiwara she will replace Sanji in the monster trio

[fathom matrix]

so he probably has white or blonde hair, but I wonder what that marking is. If he wants to cover his face, why bother with a tatoo?

[runic osprey]

Seems like zoro knows what it means

[limpid sequoia]

I took it as Zoro saying huh cause he just realized that when he gets hit he's going to fly off of onigashima but it could be either

[snow grove]

I like how king understands kaido

[hard stag]

I took it as zoro knowing the person

Maybe being a relative or some sorts

[hard stag]

Can’t imagine him doing that for that reason , I mean tbh , I feel like he’d be more the type to grin his teeth and climb back up

[fathom matrix]

I mean, he would have questioned it right after he landed or said something to himself.

Maybe he's wondering what those markings are, or he recognises them.

[visual merlin]

Its definitely along the lines of what Dante said, he showed more surprise over that after saving himself too

He didn't think King would hit him again right afterwards and hit him off

As far as Im concerned there's no way he'd notice that small tattoo out of everything while he's being knocked off onigashima, nor much way he'd know anything about it

That's why this is the panel right after

[calm harness]

Yeah, it came off as a "SHIT!" cause this dino-man is about to zip in to your face. Somewhat like a grunt.

That said, I feel that mask is gonna come off by the end of this fight and Zoro will be burdened with the knowledge of King's face. Whatever that face will bear, we'll have to see.

[pure raven]

I dont think this is any sort of marking i thinkg its just broken glass from kings goggles.

[errant sparrow]

Climb back up to the floating island? The one probably at least a mile or two in the sky?

[hard stag]

2 of the worst theories I’ve ever heard is the theory of shanks being able to speed up time and the theory of him being able to get to places quicker

Cause tbh he’s the type of character who would save. Ace , if he had these abilities why didn’t he , instead of facing kaido

[hard stag]

Well don’t forget it is possible, remember zoro can jump as high as to reach the giant of the donquiote fam and reach the meteor which fujitora created

[native flower]

zoro did not seem happy that king was trying to knock him off

[grizzled fog]

Well he had to literally be thrown by orlumbus to reach pica and the meteor thing is non canon

[vestal orbit]

he'll probably need a boost from sanji or smthn like that if he were to somehow get back to onigashima

[midnight heron]

“Huh” is no way referring to him recognizing that mark

[modest skiff]

!theories @silk sandal

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using #manga-theories for any joke theories you may have. This channel is strictly for serious discussion on the realm of possibilities one truly believes in, and can explain in a manner that conveys why. Please consider this a general warning.

[silk sandal]

It is

[bitter kraken]

With all the fruits out there like the time fruit and gravity one that fuji has, it’s pretty possible there is a teleportation fruit and shanks might have it. But yes that does beg the question if he had that power why he didn’t use it to save ace

[modest skiff]

I am assuming Shanks has a great deal of knowledge regarding the whole 20 years prophecy stuff. We know that Shiki knew some serious shit was happening in 20 years too. Head canon for me is that Shanks was aware that someone very important to (important person) would be killed and that their death would spur a series of events that allow (important person) to achieve the strength they need to transform the world and bring a new dawn

[silk sandal]

Ace and shanks are related

[light onyx]

How

[silk sandal]

Ace mother is Shanks Older sister

[light onyx]

So roger banged shanks older sister and kidnapped him to an adventure and then left the mid alone after he decided to die ?

[silk sandal]

No shanks wanted to join Rodger and become a pirate

So he and buggy joined as his apprentice

[light onyx]

It’s one piece anything makes sense at this point tbh

[silk sandal]

That's why Shanks tried to stop WhiteBeard to not let Ace go after Blackbeard

Because he knew that ace will die

[light onyx]

Fair

[silk sandal]

Yea

Plus Shanks And Ace's Mother got the same last name

[light onyx]

What’s shanks last name ?

Rouge ? That’s her first name I think

[silk sandal]

Nah it Portgas

[light onyx]

Oh right

[silk sandal]

Portgas Rogue And Portgas d Shank

[light onyx]

How’d you know that’s shanks last name

[silk sandal]

Because it is

[light onyx]

So you don’t know

[exotic zenith]

Yep

[light onyx]

Great

[median slate]

Shanks is guarding laugh tale for luffy

[silk sandal]

Shadow Shadow No mi

[hard stag]

And yet even if it’s not canon it is still possible, not to mention we can argue luffy can’t use conqueror’s haki like he did in the movie but against katakuri he did

[silk sandal]

He can use it well as we saw on fishman Island

[grizzled fog]

What? If it happens in the movie it’s just non canon lol. A character doing the same thing in a movie as they do in canon means nothing

[silk sandal]

Why does zoro keep his eye closed

[hard stag]

Yes but it doesn’t mean he can’t do it

[silk sandal]

Luffy's Great Grandpa was a Fleet Admiral

[grizzled fog]

Okay. Also doesn’t mean he can

[hard stag]

True just like with luffy , his conqueror’s haki rivalling bullet’s is not the same level his conqueror’s haki is in canon

But he may still reach that level

[light onyx]

Probably got sliced during training

[hard stag]

No clue , hope it’s some secret power but it could just be that he can’t open it or something

[hard stag]

Doubt it’s that simple

[light onyx]

Guy fought baboons with same skill as mihawk and probably had a rematch with him

[grizzled fog]

That was anime filler

[light onyx]

The baboon thingy ?

[grizzled fog]

There was no Mihawk baboon

[light onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/new-girl-fox-television-schmidt-max-greenfield-nick-miller-gif-14428547