manga-theories

[pure raven]

It's cola mate he could find that anywhere

As the story progresses, Luffy's villains/opponents gets stronger IN GENERAL:

Kaido > Katakuri > Doflamingo > Caesar > Hody Jones > Magellen > Rob Lucci > Blueno > Enel > Crocodile > Don Atchino > Mr 3 > Arlong > Don Krieg > Captain Kuro > Alvida

You see? It's been consistent for all these villains he won against.

[spice berry]

[pure raven]

I mean not yet for Kaido

[rustic granite]

Enel>Lucci and Blueno

[pure raven]

Enel is one of the strongest pre TS villains along with crocodile

[rustic granite]

fax

[weary cliff]

Some of the SH's are down right now. Besides, after it took everything just for Zoro to get a scar on Kaido, none of the other crew members have business in that fight

[pure raven]

Zoro wasn't healed just to go back down again.

[night jewel]

you have to remove half of the villains from the series to make that list consistent lol

[pure raven]

It's foreshadowed a TON that Zoro will be the one to slay Kaido

[night jewel]

and even then, no pre ts opponents stand a chance against enel

[supple anchor]

luffy never beat magellan

[night jewel]

without armament, they wont do anything to him

[weary cliff]

Zoro wasn't healed just to fight Kaido again lol He's only up fir King

[split stone]

Luffy won't and didn't defeat kaido alone. Kaido got injured by zoro, kaido got a little injured and tired by Yamato, he's getting more and more tired as it passes and many people confronted him, Luffy will just finish the majority of the job

[pure raven]

https://amp.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/5oedk4/enel_vs_rob_lucci/

[pure raven]

He will get a buff

[night jewel]

but lucci wont hit enel

[pure raven]

So will sanji and every crew member

[night jewel]

as he didnt have armament pre ts

so he is guaranteed to lose.

[split stone]

Enel wins

[pseudo citrus]

didn't jinbe vs who's who sort of confirm that iron body is armament haki?

[night jewel]

nope not really

[pure raven]

No it isn't the same thing

[spice berry]

Don't think so. Robin won't wake up soon.

[weary cliff]

Chopper is also done

[pure raven]

There's one ability similar to the 6 powers that only Lucci could us

It's a war they can't stay passed out...

[night jewel]

vivre cards did tell us that they are obtained similarly

meaning that the training is similar

but no, armament isnt iron body

[pure raven]

Luffy won't 1v1 Kaido unless Kaido is really gassed

[weary cliff]

Well that's a moot point. It's already not a 1v1

[pure raven]

Yeah ^

[night jewel]

yamato is already in the fight, think that will be enough

[pure raven]

Yamato is rlly strong yeah.

[night jewel]

most of the strawhats wont be capable of damaging kaido so i think that fight would hardly even work

[pure raven]

Only ones are Luffy and Zoro unsure if Sanji could but I doubt it

[night jewel]

sanji prolly could using his flames, since that works on kaido

[pure raven]

Yamato is insane though she has Conquerors coating.

[night jewel]

but i doubt sanji would be doing significant damage

[pure raven]

His damage wouldn't be very relevant though

[night jewel]

we'd have to see what he is capable of in the queen fight ig, since he hasnt shown his full capabilities and might get a powerup

[pure raven]

Biggest blows so far on Kaido were Zoros Asura > Yamato raimei Hakkei > Luffys consistent Conquerors coating blows.

[weary cliff]

Regardless, the fight with the calamities should have them about tapped

[pure raven]

Luffys consistency is the best tho

[spice berry]

Those were ryou blows.

[pure raven]

No when he discovered how to coat himself with conquerors coating.

His ryuo blows wernt very significant

[night jewel]

yep, king and queen are almost guaranteed to be extremely tough opponents i think

[pure raven]

Extremely durable I feel like their Durability will open the key to Zoro and Sanji to fight Kaido

[night jewel]

they were hardly phased by the attacks that are supposed to be their finishers, zoro's attack even defeated killer, albeit he was ig weakened

[mint minnow]

hi

[pure raven]

Killer got destroyed by Rengoku Oni Giri

Oni giri meaning Demon slayer

Oni being Kaidos race

The grave he is sitting on is number 944 which is Kaidos vivre card number. Skull sign = death. Ultimo = Final in spanish.

Zoro eating from a bowl with a blue dragon (Kaido) on it. and under Zoros swords there is a bowl with "Slay" or "kill" or "beheading" written on it

[forest rampart]

what does mejor means?

[pure raven]

better or something not sure

but theres something before it

[ripe crescent]

Can confirm it means better

[pure raven]

The bowl has "Kill"/"Behead"/"slay"

[weary cliff]

What does Luffy's horse bowl mean?

[pure raven]

unsure

[split stone]

Based on this I'd say that Luffy managed to almost defeat kaido completely, but he will still be alive and will try to kill Luffy, in a parallel to oden's paradise waterfall attack Zoro will protect his captain and say he can't down his guard, slashing half of kaido's body and finally putting an end to it

[pure raven]

Yeah Luffy has to do most of the work anyways

[teal stirrup]

Do you guys think if/when Luffy battles Akainu, he will beat him in the first round? 🤔

[pure raven]

Akainu will probably be buffed

But Luffy should be stronger than Admirals atm

[weary cliff]

If Luffy fights Sakazuki at all, I think he tags out for Sabo

[teal stirrup]

Or more precisely, CAN Luffy beat Akainu in the first round 1v1?

[pure raven]

Idk base luffy is higher than admiral level probably

[teal stirrup]

Because we do have to take into account of the possibility that after the 2 year timeskip, Akainu (or with the other admirals) could have been stronger as well either due to training or battles with pirates in general.

[ancient vault]

I dont have the brain energy to deal with these ppl and ik u two have fun with them

[teal stirrup]

And we ALSO have to consider the fact that not every admirals are as equally strong as the other.

[pure raven]

Zoro needs to do something in order for his name to “reach the heavens” he has to have close portrayal to luffys acheivments.

[pure raven]

That’s true

[teal stirrup]

Btw, one piece 1026 is coming up soon. Hope to hear your future theories from this point on guys!

[pure raven]

There are many theories that Fujitora and Green bull are from wano. Some speculate Green bull is ushimaru

[pine delta]

zoro hasn't even gotten a black blade yet

[pure raven]

Yes it maybe the arc for him as we have seen black blades being talked about in wano by the shimotsuki fox iirc

[supple anchor]

yeah morj went crazy with the green bull is ushimaru theory. it really doesnt hold up

[pine delta]

he has a ways to go. i can see him awakening black blade to defeat king

[pure raven]

Morj?

[supple anchor]

youtuber, he made a video about it and kinda started it all

[pine delta]

yeah i saw that theory and while cool, it kind of makes no sense in so many ways

[drowsy marsh]

You mean for chapter 1026 or beyond

[teal stirrup]

Yeap 👌1026 AND beyond.

[pine delta]

him not eating for so long could be a samurai thing but i would much rather it be a plant zoan thing. we wouldnt even have this discussion if oda wasnt religiously committed to blue balling his readers with silhouttes used way more than they should

[pure raven]

This was in TB when the SHs were about to fight Oars

Oars is an ancient giant. Oni is probably ancient giant as well.

[teal stirrup]

It's always interesting to me how black blades have only belonged to certain people who are hinted/stated to be the strongest of swordsmen. "Sword GOD" and "Worlds Strongest Swordsman".

[weary cliff]

"Probably" is a strong word when the Oni we know look nothing like ancient giants

[teal stirrup]

Hopefully we get to see a flashback of Ryuma somewhere in the future. Fingers crossed 🤞

[supple anchor]

well we learn that black swords are made by the swordsman... or something like that. the one guy was saying that zoros swords could become black blades in the future

hitetsu

[pure raven]

He's not pure blood

https://onepiecefanon.fandom.com/wiki/Oni_Tribe#:~:text=The Oni Tribe are a,earned the epithet%2C Ancient Giants.

[teal stirrup]

That's definitely a possibility too. And in fact, I'd say it is MORE LIKELY it would happen. Zoro turning his sword into a black blade would be so damn cool.

I'd honestly cry if that happens. Lol

[pure raven]

I believe it has something to do with Conquerors coating + Armamant haki (advanced maybe)

[supple anchor]

get them tissues ready

[teal stirrup]

Especially during this pandemic.

[pure raven]

The horns and their durability are extremely similar to that of Kaidos

[weary cliff]

Oni and ancient giants exist concurrently. I don't understand why there would be a distinction. Either call ancient giants oni or csll Kaido part ancient giant

[pure raven]

We will get to know more of the Oni either in Kaidos back story (If we get one) or in Elbaf

[teal stirrup]

How many of you would bet for these ancient giants to have armament haki?

[weary cliff]

They haven't shown it yet

Giants have also been lacking in haki

[teal stirrup]

Now that I think about it, we've never really seen a First Haki User before.

I wonder which race will ODA show using the first haki.

[weary cliff]

What?

[pure raven]

Some people think Dorry and Broggy have Haki due to them using Ikkoku sovereignty against the big sea monster.

[teal stirrup]

Like the first person to use Haki. Or the origins of Haki.

[pure raven]

Idk if i agree with it

[teal stirrup]

An origin story/flashback would be nice.

[surreal jungle]

guyss any spoilers?

[split aurora]

First person to use haki, das weird

[teal stirrup]

Spoilers isn't suppose to be here.

[pure raven]

Well we know the first SH to use haki was Zoro in Arabasta.

[weary cliff]

Yeah I don't see it as necessary. It just seems to be a natural part of this world

[surreal jungle]

i mean spoiler section is close and it usally is available after some spoilers uk

[weary cliff]

Nah if that were the case it wouldn't have been necessary for Mihawk to teach it to Zoro

[teal stirrup]

Ah I see. I guess it will be up soon in a few hours time.

[pure raven]

I think it's an unconscious part.

[split aurora]

Ussop showed advanced haki in the first episodes

[surreal jungle]

ohh thanks mate

[pure raven]

I remember somewhere that Oda confirmed it or smt but we all know when someone says that it's usually false

[split aurora]

When he told his storries which turned out true later on. God

[weary cliff]

Zoro was repeatedly able to use that power consciously. For example on the sea train

[teal stirrup]

No problem man 👍

[pure raven]

I'm unsure

[weary cliff]

It all makes sense as haki except for Zoro's flashback furing the Pica fight

[teal stirrup]

I think the best explanation to Zoro's Haki is that he KNOWS other people can use Haki, but where its with himself, he hasn't realized it yet except for the one Mihawk taught him.

[pure raven]

That is probably Mihawk clarifying it to him. He most likely doesn't know what it is. Same thing as in the roof top fight when Zoro unconsciously uses Conquerors coating + armament haki to damage Kaido

[weary cliff]

It's more than clarifying. Mihawk made him train seriously to develop it, taking away his booze and all. So even though Zoro mastered the breath of things, we can be sure that wasn't haki... even though what Hyo said on Wano about ryo was pretty much the same thing Kyoshiro said in the Alabasta flashback. We have to take Mihawk's word on it

[pure raven]

The fact that Zoro one shot Mr 1 (Breath of all things) after a ton of attempts and to not even be able to SCRATCH him.

[teal stirrup]

I think it's really interesting to see Sanji mentioning about Haoshoku Haki which begs the question as to how he came to know of it.

[pure raven]

Zoro probably knew what it was. But he didn't know he had it and was using it.

[teal stirrup]

I'd lean towards this too.

[pure raven]

Therefore he is confused about what Kaido was saying.

[weary cliff]

If you mean conqueror's, sure. He just definitely didn't have armament until the timeskip

[teal stirrup]

As he should. The man's always lost in finding directions anyways.

[pure raven]

This is right. The breath of all things was I meant as in unconscious usage of it. He doesn't know it's haki and doesn't master the use of it till the TS.

[pure raven]

Cursed sword haha

More like he doesn't know how to tap into it.

[teal stirrup]

And that too. 😂

[weary cliff]

Well you're conflating the ideas. Zoro definitely masters breath of things as early as Alabasta. That's how he is able to cut iron whenever he needs. It's simply a different ability than haki because Oda hackery

[pure raven]

The breath of all things isn't really a thing.

Not even in vivre card.

[weary cliff]

Sure it is. How else does Zoro cut iron?

[solar knoll]

I am sure Breath of all things will resurface again

[weary cliff]

On a meta level, I think we can treat it as "proto haki". Oda had an idea for a cool power system, it simply wasn't fleshed out yet

[pure raven]

Nvm about that lol

He has used it in post TS

[solar knoll]

Voice of all things, seems to be the ability to understand the language of ancient beings, well Breath of all things seems to be to sense and differentiate all presences of all things

[teal stirrup]

Yea he did.

[teal stirrup]

I like the complexity behind these two abilities.

[pure raven]

Voice of all things isn't really a technique

[solar knoll]

I suspect breath of all things is also the reason why Zoro is able to cut fire like kinemon.

[pure raven]

No that is Kinemons technique

He copied it.

[solar knoll]

It might be a trait especially prominent in Wano. Not saying Mihawk and other swordsman don’t

[weary cliff]

I don't see why not for this either. It is an ability that apparently has different degrees of mastery

[solar knoll]

It could be how wano craftsman can make polyglyphs which are indestructible

[pure raven]

It is teah I got that wrong

[teal stirrup]

Luffy has the ability (Voice of all Things) to hear sea creatures. So in that sense it's not a technique but more so to what he can do despite it him not intentionally doing it.

[solar knoll]

With the breath of all things wano’s man can even craft Prism Stone

[pure raven]

Extremely rare.

[teal stirrup]

A good kind of rare.

[weary cliff]

I suspect we'll learn after this fight fhst Luffy projecting his voice while drowning is him advancing his VOAT

[drowsy marsh]

What is the role of Hiyori? She will bring the ame no to Momo, but what other role can she serve? Good chance that she appears this chapter

[pure raven]

Hiyori

I feel like if Zoro gets a black blade then he will give enma back to hiyori

Most likely Wado ichimonji as his first one

[teal stirrup]

I can see it happening too. Enma being given back to Hiyori or (someone else) would be a really sweet memory/scene. And it would most certainly comfort her knowing that she has her father's sword.

[solar knoll]

Maybe not, but I think it’s likely he might inherit nidai kitetsu

[drowsy marsh]

Sandai Kitetsu is his weakest sword

[pure raven]

Pretty sure all his swords are Meito grade?

[solar knoll]

It’s unlikely he spend all that time training and getting used to it only too give it back

[pure raven]

Also want to see more special Paramecias tbh

[pure raven]

You can make the same case as for Shusui

[solar knoll]

Yea but it was a replaced with Enma

[solar knoll]

Which was even harder to control

[snow grove]

When the spoilers will be out?

[pure raven]

The only reason he took Enma or agreed to was because of it being the only sword that injured Kaido

[solar knoll]

And seems like nidai kitetsu isn’t as naughty as enma

[pure raven]

Enma has alot of Haki output

Its whats the fatal flaw of Enma not any haki user can wield it. Thats why the scabbards were so afraid of it.

[solar knoll]

Not really, he agreed because hiyori said Enma was a worthy replacement

[teal stirrup]

It's 11:54 pm Japan time currently, so if anything I'd say it will be released in the following morning there.

[drowsy marsh]

Yes, but sandai is his lowest Meito grade sword

[pure raven]

Yep

[snow grove]

Enma prefer conquerors haki it taste better

[pure raven]

Nidai Kitetsu maybe replacing atleast Sandao

If Zoro does end up beheading Kaido then the legacy behind Enma will be even bigger than Shusui was

[snow grove]

Zoro need to master 1 sword to upgrade it to a blacksword

[teal stirrup]

I hope fans of Luffy wouldn't be too heartbroken to know that their beloved character isn't the one to have the final blow to Kaido...IF zoro did slay Kaido.

[snow grove]

Zoro will be the one to trim kaido's horns

[teal stirrup]

Upcoming Barber Zoro? I'd love that.

[snow grove]

Yonko's head is a bit to exaggerated

[pure raven]

Things I want to see more of. Special Paramecias, Supreme grade swords and Ryuma

I feel Zoro will get a Supreme grade maybe Shodai Kitetsu as that fits his type with Katanas

[teal stirrup]

Now that I think about it, Kaido's head is really disproportionate to his body.

[weary cliff]

It is also fitting if Zoro carries the inferior sandai all the way to the top

[pure raven]

Yeah

Shanks sword could be a supreme grade

[snow grove]

Zoro need to upgrade is own sword he doesn't need a ranked one

[pure raven]

He will

Wado ichimonji is his signature one prolly his first black blade he will get

[teal stirrup]

Is it possible that supreme grade swords were once normal swords too which haven't been upgraded yet?

[snow grove]

He's changing sword every once in a while

[snow grove]

Mihawk said it

[pure raven]

He's had Wado ichimonji , Yubashiri, Sandai Kitetsu, Shusui and Enma

[fathom blade]

BONJOURE A TOUS G UNE THEORI INCROYABL

[snow grove]

English no croissant

[fathom blade]

ok mb

[weary cliff]

Nous parle pas francais ici

[teal stirrup]

If we take into account of this, then I would say it is better for Zoro to upgrade his sword(s) to be able to rival those of supreme grade swords.

[snow grove]

That's what I was saying

[teal stirrup]

You missed the rival part.

[prime bluff]

Shoada kitestiu?

[worthy belfry]

Hi when was the latest chapter released

Any chapter last week that I might have missed

[weary cliff]

9 days ago. Keep in mind, this is the theory channel. Don't come here for updates

[worthy belfry]

Sure

[pure raven]

@weary cliff he might be new fam u gotta chill with that attitude u got there

[weary cliff]

It's no attitude, I answered their question

[pure raven]

@weary cliff plus much more

[worthy belfry]

Zoro goota have three supreme swords , cursed sword that gandhi has, sword of his father green bull and his own sword white sword

He will increase the grade of white sword to supreme for sure it is best sword for him

[teal stirrup]

His swords will definitely power up that's something all of us can agree on.

[worthy belfry]

Yup

[jade moon]

That gandhi guy has the shodai right?

The most powerful of the three cursed swords

[worthy belfry]

Yes

[jade moon]

For now the only possible upgrade seems like nidai kitetsu

In case his sandai breaks. King’s weird sword looks like it’s made to break samurai swords

So zoro has to forge one of his blades into black blade to protect it from king

[worthy belfry]

Yup , Zoro sandai is very low tier , it's needs to break sometime

[weary cliff]

Zoro has haki now, he won't break another sword

[pure raven]

In Arthur piece

[jade moon]

Unless and until it’s black blade it can break

[pure raven]

Jk he might have

[jade moon]

King’s sword has crevices which can break the blade if the sword gets stuck

[pure raven]

The designs were same

[weary cliff]

That's the opposite of what Mihawk said

[worthy belfry]

Zoro needs to upgrade his sword , least tier sword he has is sandai kitesui , it needs to break

[jade moon]

Sandai is most definitely going to bid farewell

[pure raven]

Didn't you read OP?

[worthy belfry]

Yes

[fathom blade]

where can i put pics for my theory ???

[pure raven]

It's a shame for zoro. He has immense pride as a swordsman. He never gonna let that happen. After Mihawk told him

[modest skiff]

!roles

!pics

[lone hedge]

Get a role (pirate/revo/marine/civilian) in #old-role-info to be able to post pictures!

[fathom blade]

ok !!!

[worthy belfry]

Well , it's king , kaido first commander, it's should be understanble if he breaks Zoro sword

[fathom blade]

THE MOTHER OF LUFFY IS CROCODILE
IVANKOV CHANGED HER IN A BOII
SO HES DRAGON WIFE
A CROCO IS A DRAGON WITHOUT WINGS BTW
CROCO D ILE OMG

[worthy belfry]

Remember commanders are levels of mihawk

[jade moon]

I am more concerned about king’s sword than king himself lol

[jade moon]

Is this a joke? I didn’t know scars have will too

[worthy belfry]

Luffy scar is something else , only manga people know , it is not shown in anime how he got that scar

[pure raven]

What a logic

[weary cliff]

Yo @fathom blade keep the theories serious

[spice berry]

Croc's voice altered by Vega

[fathom blade]

its serious.
u will believe me in 1-2 years trust me

[weary cliff]

You're just spamming memes

[fathom blade]

don't be salty dud

[pure raven]

Dragon banging Coco giving me nightmares

[worthy belfry]

There is one theory about crocodile that he is daughter of white beard

[fathom blade]

My theory are just way better than urs

[snow grove]

t 'es éclaté mon reuf

[worthy belfry]

English?

[fathom blade]

Arrête de faire le chaud mon sang et reste dans ton coin

[pure raven]

I know who is Luffy's Mom. It's the best theoryi can come up with. 100% canon for sure

Dragon is both Dad and mom. Ivankove helped. You could imgine what happened

[jade moon]

Dragon effed himself up then

[spice berry]

[weary cliff]

!theories

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using #manga-theories for any joke theories you may have. This channel is strictly for serious discussion on the realm of possibilities one truly believes in, and can explain in a manner that conveys why. Please consider this a general warning.

[worthy belfry]

Well dragon becoming revolutionary has to be have some backstory , might be world govt totured dragon wife , and he swore a revenge

[weary cliff]

@fathom blade just a heads up

[pure raven]

Is there any BB pitates who aren't creepy?

[snow grove]

will get to see enel at the and or when luffy will go to skypia with yamato so she'll see the whole world

[jade moon]

Catarina devon

[pure raven]

A revenge for a girl is pretty lame He is doing against the one who rule the world.

[spice berry]

Don't think so. They all have a stick up their ass which makes their faces so creepy

[weary cliff]

I'd be inclined to say Burgess, though he did skulk his way onto the revo ship out of spite. That's the definition of creepy

[pure raven]

Her nose, she takes head of beautiful women and store them

[fathom blade]

Please can you pin my theory ? 🙏

[worthy belfry]

Do you think just for peace of world somebody would dedicate his life fighting against world govt?

It's has to be also personal too

[pure raven]

Where is your theory?

[worthy belfry]

Or a motive along the way

[pure raven]

BB aint creepy

[fathom blade]

here @pure raven

[jade moon]

This isn’t your original theory

[pure raven]

So the revolutionary commanders who try to bring peace to the world are just clowns?

They are doing because dragons girl was kidnapped?

[worthy belfry]

Commanders are whose nations have been destroyed by world govt and aligned with dragon for revenge

[worthy belfry]

Dragon wife , luffy mom

[fathom blade]

crocodile

[pure raven]

Dragons must have some level of knowledge about void century. That's make act him up.

I would drop the OP. If dragon doing all this for one girl

[weary cliff]

I mean. Have you ever been in love though? It's cliche, though a totally understandable motivation

[worthy belfry]

One question about crocodile I always had that how the hell he knew that a ponygiff in alabasta had knowledge about ancient weapon pluton , he sound very sure , how he got that knowledge not even world govt knew about it

[spice berry]

Whitebeard waged war due to his love for one of his sons.

[fathom blade]

cuz hes dragon's wife

[trail tundra]

@fathom blade please use this channel seriously. It’s meant for genuine theories not shitposts

[worthy belfry]

Not even single yonkou knew about alabasta ' ponygiffy , how crocodile knew?

[pure raven]

People are waiting for 20+ years to know the reason. Oda said no romance between SH's. He don't actually wanna bring that topic ig. I don't think so it would happen.

[tranquil cobalt]

New theory: At the end of its journey, Onigashima will drop down to Wano, causing a chain reaction that'll collapse the whole continent to the outside ocean. Thus making Wano country no longer separated from the outside world by its unique geography.
This event will be the "tragedy" that will end Arc 3 and we enter Arc 4 when Kaido reveal that this (the fall of Wano continent) is his objective from the start. Its re-revelation to the world will hold a significant meaning involving the One Piece that we haven't known yet.
Or, maybe, something is hidden inside the waterfall around Wano all along and it will be revealed once Wano falls.
Thought?

[pure raven]

Momo will lift the onigashima and protect the people.. alabasta part 2

Do you think sanji eye brows will curl opposite if his lunarian genes are Awakened?

[cyan berry]

@narrow yarrow please read the channel topic, try to keep memes outside it

[worthy belfry]

Why?

[narrow yarrow]

Wdym memes? Im spitting facts

[pure raven]

Sanji's eyebrows are opposite curled compared to his siblings iirc

[worthy belfry]

Really?

[pure raven]

For real

[worthy belfry]

Interesting

[hollow grotto]

It might just be symbolism of Sanji's relation to his family and how they're, in a lot of ways, complete opposites, but the idea that genes have something to do with it is interesting

[cyan berry]

Or he just did them with a tweezer

[pure raven]

Maybe sanji wasn't vinsmoke to begin with

[cyan berry]

That's just false

Judge and Sora are his biological parents

Alongside all his siblings

[weary cliff]

Demonstrably false. He's part of a multiple birth

[hollow grotto]

It would take away from the whole story set up in WCI for him to just not be "related" at all - actually, it'd ruin it.

[fossil imp]

Wait does spoilers come out today?

[cyan berry]

Not the place to ask this

Just wait till you get the ping

We don't know

[pure raven]

Leaker changed. The Korean guy who used to leak was impel down'ed. So its new guy we don't know

[cyan berry]

Now back to theories

[rustic granite]

Idk who Luffy's biological mother is but
His real mother is Dadan

[pure raven]

Anyone think the current sungod Nika is Imu sama

[rustic granite]

More like Imu's arch-enemy

[pure raven]

Dragon and dadan are same age lol

[acoustic helm]

Nah, theory follow some pattern, foreshadowing stuff.
But head cannon contradicts cannon

[pine delta]

theres a character named spoil in one piece give people who ask about spoilers in unrelated chats that as a title automatically

[fossil imp]

Oh crap that sucks:/

[pine delta]

(spoil is the old guy who looks like a zombie)

[tranquil cobalt]

Wait? What's the source for this? Isn't the leaker just taking a break because today's a holiday in Korea?!

[pure raven]

The worst theory I heard this year was Ushimaru is green bull.

Oda already said ushimaru dead in vivre card. People still refuse

[cyan berry]

Not the place for this conversation

[weary cliff]

People also ignore the silhouette that looks nothing like Zoro

Iirc, vivre cards have lied before to prevent spoilers

[pure raven]

What was that about?

I know something in OP magazine.. they said sabo was dead

[pure raven]

How does Avilda being Kaido & Big Mom's possible daughter contradicts the story?

[rustic granite]

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

[weary cliff]

This is what I remembered, yeah

[acoustic helm]

You saying hooded guy has horns was quite a headcannon, in the very next page we know it was buggy boi..
And also big mom never mentioned any other kid except lola to ran away from her

[rustic granite]

Guardian deity
Joyboy
Nika
Ryuma

.........

[pure raven]

This could be a foreshadow. Buggy covering his head that looked like a horn who follows Alvida to Kaido's pirates (with actual horns) who follows Kaido. But these are just my theories not proven. 😄🤙

[weary cliff]

I'm picking up what you're putting down. https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/p6gdjt/joyboy_and_the_gomu_gomu_awakening/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb

[acoustic helm]

And also big mom call koido his little brother is enough

[pure raven]

She considers him

Shes 9 years older though

Big mom is insane 68 years old and still hasn’t sustained damage in wano

[acoustic helm]

Yeah , atleast she won't have a kid with her little brother

[pure raven]

Did we actually see Big Mom actually falling in love with her ex-husbands before?

Toki cheated on Oden with whitebeard and the reason why shinobu was crying when she saw adult Momo was because he looks like whitebeard

[acoustic helm]

She used them

[pure raven]

Is it possible that she could have seen them as something else?

[acoustic helm]

Oda never hinted anything about that,
She only loved mother carmel

Bon chan turning into mother would had been quite a power move...
But carmel was eaten long before that

[pure raven]

Bon chan can only turn into people@he touch

[forest rampart]

Hiyori and healing df if she do have one in which I doubt and would dislike it if she do have one, and a zoan at that. So I take back the possibility of her having zoan df. It better be a paramecia or logia is she do have one.
Hiyori came to give Momo his Ame no Habakiri but why would she brings the sword then? Maybe she planned to use it on Orochi but then she saw another big, pink dragon that makes her worried and thought there are another strong villain like Kaido. This makes her curious and will drive her to go to the rooftop and peek from the outside to see what's happening. And somehow, when Momo transforms back to his human form, Hiyori will hand over the sword to him or that Momo will asked her for the sword.

[pure raven]

Healing fruit? Like the princess tontata

Or whatever her name was

[pure raven]

Perhaps, it's the other identity of hers.

Hiyori doesn’t need to have fighting power

[weary cliff]

I personally support this idea. Didn't Momo sense silhouette-chan with his haki, though? Interesting that he didn't recognize his sister since he has a really good control over it

[forest rampart]

Sihouette-chan? Who? Idk

[weary cliff]

In the treasure room with the scabbards

[forest rampart]

Momo was not there

[weary cliff]

No, he has observation haki. For example he could pinpoint Luffy on the roof and even knew what condition he was in. Wasn't momo the one who noticed the scabbards weren't alone?

[forest rampart]

Not him. That's Bao Huang, peeking via Marys

[weary cliff]

Ah right

[pure raven]

https://youtu.be/Q4fawTk2LsI

[forest rampart]

*will happen

[pure raven]

He just uploaded it, so give it a go. haha

Lets be open-minded guys

[modest skiff]

This channel is intended for high effort conversation rather than just posting links. If you are posting a youtube video, give your perspective on the video rather than just dropping it. It isn't sufficient to just give a link and tell people to watch it. Anyone can watch some garbage youtuber if we want to. If you see something you think is interesting, tell us why in detail rather than saying "give it a go"

[waxen prawn]

yeah I agree

[waxen prawn]

Makes sense. Will keep this in mind.

[pure raven]

I just saw that he just uploaded it, which is why Im sharing it right away. Chill man.

[thick sky]

Well that's the rule of this channel mate

[modest skiff]

If you ever want to participate in lower effort discussion, do it in #manga or #also-manga. This isn't a matter of "chilling". I am telling you what this channel is intended for. We don't allow low effort discussion in this channel. There are other channels for low effort discussion

[waxen prawn]

I love mr morj his videos are rhetoric, and reasons are very well said

[modest skiff]

!theories @pure raven

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using #manga-theories for any joke theories you may have. This channel is strictly for serious discussion on the realm of possibilities one truly believes in, and can explain in a manner that conveys why. Please consider this a general warning.

[echo kayak]

Any news about the spoilers?

[thick sky]

Don't ask here ,not the channel for it

[pure raven]

I havent watch all of his vidoes but some of them are really good.

[weary cliff]

Yo look at the current discussion before posting

[pure raven]

Its your opinion and I respect it.

[cyan berry]

This is not an opinion

Use this channel right or don't use it at all

[pure raven]

I havent given my take on it so please dont assume I do not want to say anything about it.

[cyan berry]

This is the last warning for you

[waxen prawn]

yo guys

why do people think ushimaru is green bull? I haven't heard of the theory. I caught up last night.

[cyan berry]

Because he was wearing a kimono with green bulls once

[teal stirrup]

This is true though. Just simply sharing a theory link here is technically sharing things relating to theories on One Piece.

Whether this person wants to talk about it, is not for us to judge.

Please be respectful guys.

[cyan berry]

In a flashback sequence or something

[waxen prawn]

yeah that

[pure raven]

Ph Mr Morj i just watched a few of his videos he’s kind of simple minded and he tends to ruin his points with speculation but some of them are decent

[waxen prawn]

I see hmm

[teal stirrup]

Yea would have to agree on that

[shadow pollen]

xdd

[waxen prawn]

I can't wait to see adult momo!

[shadow pollen]

he kinda predicted a lot of stuff

[light onyx]

Probably not wrong it’s one piece Any thing can happen

[pure raven]

His video on Zoro being a top tier written character is a W. Coming from a person who studies literature in uni as a minor

[supple anchor]

youtube guys are better at analysis than predictions

[pure raven]

Mr Morj has good points but his speculations are just not it tbh

[light onyx]

Is it possible for kaido to be contained by the world gov ?

[pure raven]

Well no

[weary cliff]

He did predict cocting, that was hype. As for this zkk breakdown, he's not wrong. He's simply restating all of the counterarguments you'd see in a channel like this

[supple anchor]

kaidos been captured by them a bunch of times and executed, but hes still kicking

[pure raven]

Unless the CP 0 members capture him when he’s defeated then maybe. But since wano is closed off and is hard to get to.

[pure raven]

I mean it was common knowledge that you could use the “rarest” ability in one piece on people who aren’t weak willed.

[light onyx]

I think he’s gonna die then either momo kills him cuz symbolism or zoro cuz “it’s his arc”

[pure raven]

Momo can’t damage him

[light onyx]

Blast breath momo edition actually nevermind

[pure raven]

I showed earlier howmuch foreshadowing is behind Zoro finishing off Kaido it’s almost logical to think he will at this point.

[pure raven]

If momo relevantly damages Kaido I will drop OP

[supple anchor]

kaido aint gonna die. villains dont really die in one piece, also kaido wants to die and once luffy wins hes not gonna give him what he wants

[weary cliff]

Some other application of CoC was coming. But that's not the theory. He did accurately predict cocting in wano and it's narrative significance at a time when many of us believed advanced coc would be a shanks arc thing

[light onyx]

lmfao

[pure raven]

Kaido has to die or get captured.

[supple anchor]

why does he have to?

[pure raven]

Because nobody can 1v1 him. He will go haywire if Luffy wins and doesn’t finish him off.

[supple anchor]

they dont need to 1v1 him, the SHs can team up if need be

[weary cliff]

Remember the set up of act 1? He has to go for Wano to retain normalcy. And if he's just left alone, he could always come back

[pure raven]

Considering the crew is in an alliance with multiple WGs and with wano samurai they can’t seal with him and they still struggle with him.

[light onyx]

What if big mom betrays kaido he’s weak at that point

[teal stirrup]

I would say this with A HUGE IF, Kaido would likely be contained IF the damage he received is too deep and severe, and/or he's getting too old. But I could be wrong. And that's okay too.

[pure raven]

He will become a massive annoyance for Luffy he has to be captured or Killed as I said.

[supple anchor]

i think beating kaido and getting him out of Wano is enough. like he told Oden that if the Samurai has all worked together to fight him off right when he went there they probably would have succeeded

[proud tree]

Moria found Oars corpse in Wano, right? And Oars was known as the continent puller, right?

[supple anchor]

wano wont make the same mistake twice

[light onyx]

Fair

[weary cliff]

Not Wano, no. Just Ryuma

[pure raven]

The only thing that won’t make sense if Kaido dies or is captured is the supposed sudden uprise of the world government which caused Kaido to Ally with BM and considering Luffy on his own isn’t at their level there will be a bigger misbalance.

[supple anchor]

not to mention momo is gonna be a dragon guarding wano now too. kaido would have to fight a mirror image of himself+all the wano samurai who are tough enough to scare off most people

[light onyx]

Is it too unlikely that big mom will backstab kaido

[proud tree]

😦 where did he find Oars corpse then

[ivory finch]

i have theory about blackbeard’s plan

[light onyx]

In a cold place

[pure raven]

Big mom saved his life when he was way weaker than her

[proud tree]

Ringo is a cold place and is inside Wano

[supple anchor]

big mom would only backstab kaido after she knows where his poneglyph is

[weary cliff]

This puts a bow on the theme of pirate betrayal that's been teased forever now. I support it

[weary cliff]

Different cold place

[proud tree]

And Kawamatsu explicitly stated that Corpses are preserved good in Wano

[pure raven]

Big mom isn’t in a strategic point where she can betray Kaido. Her full strength isn’t with her unless she exploits the Samurai alliance defeating Kaidos forces. I feel BM will have a role to play in future arcs.

[proud tree]

Since the climates and temperatures vary so much over Wano it is likely that it is a artificial creation built by ancient Giants?

[ivory finch]

so what i thought is that, at marineford, blackbeard stole white beards corpses and reserved it for 2 years and in those 2 years, they took the invisible guy from thriller bark, to lore in gecko moria so they can kill him, take his power (or force him to use it) to revive white beard for the endgame of One Piece or something else

[light onyx]

I think big mom would be in elbaf and the giants from dress Rosa can finally get their revenge

[pure raven]

I also feel BB will be the one to exploit BM rn and will take her road poneglyph as she left WCI to Katakuri and Cracker to defend and there would be no better time to invade a yonkos territory when they aren’t in it.

[light onyx]

Whitebeard was buried after marineford

[proud tree]

but she wants to be friends with the Giants

[ivory finch]

nah, his corpse disappeared when bb took his fruit

[proud tree]

and is stronger then the Giants

[pure raven]

BM wants a crew with all races but if they deny her she will destroy themz

[drowsy marsh]

I am pretty sure I saw Whitebeards body after BB took his fruit

[proud tree]

which race did she destroy? 3 eye tribe?

[light onyx]

She literally destroyed the whole place as a kid and almost killed them all I don’t think they want to be friends with bm

[pure raven]

One of BMs offsprings were supposed to marry Loki the Giant prince iirc.

[proud tree]

She was a Kid with hunger tantrums and no self control

[ivory finch]

oh yeah, he was there, well they can still dig up his grave

[pure raven]

No there would be no reason for her to even if they deny her. They are too important to people like her as they can read the poneglyphs but now that she has pudding it changes things.

[ivory finch]

it’s pretty easy to find them because they were in the newspaper

[light onyx]

Still won’t change anything they still hate her

[pure raven]

Giants are proud so it’s only natural for them to hare BM.

[drowsy marsh]

Would be a small thing to do compared to what Luffy is doing. Plus Marines would not invade BM. So this is unlikely.

[proud tree]

Loki the king of giants wanted to marry one of Big Moms children. So their relations with her where very good. Only after Lola ran away the relation god worse. So they where friends once AFTER Big Mom destroyed their village as a child.

[pure raven]

You seem to forget BB is a proper pirate. Black beard Im talking about

[light onyx]

Yes that happened their relationship worsened

[proud tree]

yeah it was better once .. why else would Loki want to marry one of Big Moms children?

[pure raven]

Luffys bounty in a narrative point of view shouldn’t go above BBs bounty as he is built up to be the ultimate obstacle the main antagonist has to overcome. Him raiding BMs territory and having more poneglyphs will cause the government to think of him as a bigger threat.

[light onyx]

Power hungry king

[proud tree]

Giants have not rebelled against their king jet, means they are good with him in office.

[light onyx]

They don’t have to rebel to disagree

[pure raven]

No she wants to unite Giants into her crew which has people from every race.

[drowsy marsh]

Black Beard should be doing something bigger. I like the idea of Blackbeard taking Pluton. Alabasta is now in disarray after the revery. It would be an ideal time for Blackbeard to get ancient weapon that is sleeping in Alabasta.

[reef oar]

The onis might have played a part in moving the islands. They also might have played a part in the shaping of the grand line since each island has its own climate. Implying they weren't meant to be there.

[pure raven]

A weapon nobody knows how to obtain.

[proud tree]

Are Ancient Giants = Onis?

[pure raven]

Yes

[supple anchor]

BB definitely got knowledge no one else does. i like the idea that hes a member of the 3 eye tribe cause we never see him without a bandana

[weary cliff]

BB has secret intel

[proud tree]

I dont think so... Kaido is way smaller then ancient giant or even the numbers

[weary cliff]

We have no solid reason to think so yet

[pure raven]

Not pure blood

[reef oar]

Yeah. Even Oars Sr when we see him is tiny compared to the collasal size of onis before the void century. Just consider that Onigashima is the skull of a giant...yeah...

[pure raven]

I sent a vivre card link that confirms it earlier

[proud tree]

the skull could just be made out of stone

[weary cliff]

You sent a fandom page that just cited the most recent chapter

[pure raven]

One piece wiki is vivre card no?

[proud tree]

But we know that giants are not ancient giants .. right?

[pure raven]

The information on it

[pure raven]

Yes that also

[supple anchor]

wiki is wrong sometimes. vivre cards are wrong too sometimes tho

[pure raven]

Kaido physically resembles Ancient Giants as well

[weary cliff]

There wasn't any info on that page. It's only speculation

[modest skiff]

I wouldn't say we really know anything about giants lineage right now. Lots of stuff is fuzzy and inconsistent

[pure raven]

His durability as well

[light onyx]

How come I never realised that

[drowsy marsh]

I think there is information in the royal tomb about the location of Pluton. And If Crocodile knew about pluton why wouldn't Blackbeard know something

[reef oar]

The name "Onigashima" meaning skull island, so perhaps it is the island of a former onis skull. Thats what it seems to imply.

[modest skiff]

One of my theories is that Onis are a type of giant and that Kaido was born as a runt of sorts of giants. So while he seems huge to us, he is actually incredibly small for his race

[light onyx]

So it’s not due to his fruit ?

[weary cliff]

Little Oars Jr was decimated immediately. Nothing close to the durability of Kaido

[proud tree]

lmao ... this would be funny ... but there is no evidence

[weary cliff]

It's demon island, not skull island. The skull is apparently rock

[pure raven]

First of all Kaido has failed ancient giants in his crew which probable use his own genetics to create. 2 the Oni virus Queen created that give people ancient giant horns etc that could use a part of kaidos dna as well.

[teal stirrup]

I feel like Loki could be an important key figure between the relationship of WG and the Giants simply due to the nature of its name 'Loki'.

[reef oar]

Maybe Oars Jr and Kaido are split descendants of the original oni race. Like how all dogs are decentants of wolves

[plucky storm]

I could see him being half ancient giant

[sage harness]

Kaido is durable because he is constantly coated in COC

[pure raven]

^

[weary cliff]

Maybe they are related. It's questionable why they look so different, though

[proud tree]

that would take much stamina even for him

[sage harness]

We already know big mom is as well and is why she is so indestructible as well

[weary cliff]

That's not confirmed at all

[proud tree]

Oars looks very different from Kaido ... he has not even a beard

[pure raven]

BM and Kaido are similarly durable

[light onyx]

Is Yamato part kaidos race or is she full on kaido race

[pure raven]

Cus they both coat themselves with CoC

[forest rampart]

Wait.. Crocodile was after Pluton. Caribou was after Poseidon. Blackbeard is after Uranus?
Crocodile: was a warlord
Caribou: a rookie
Blackbeard: a yonko
or maybe initial C name patterns now
So instead of Blackbeard, it'll be Catarina Devon (a crescent moon hunter - vivre card) (unless momo is not a beautiful woman)
Looks like there's still a chance for Blackbeard to come to Wano. But maybe he sent his crews to hunt down Uranus/ Momo instead.

Sorry for !patterns btw 😛

[teal stirrup]

I think we can all agree that ever since Kaido's last battle with Moria, his body growed extremely durable due to the amount of battles he had gone through whether it relates to the Devil Fruit or simply his Haki.

[proud tree]

Kaido would still be strong without his devilfruit imo... Haki gets more and more important the higher tier you are

[light onyx]

I think yamatos part of his race

[pure raven]

Ever since Kaido fought Oden his body has changed massively. He was only yonko a few years before shanks which is over 10 years after Kaido vs oden. Also got his title at the same time

[proud tree]

I have a theory that there are only male ancient giants, thats why Kaido is angry he has no SON and calls yamato "idiot" son.

[light onyx]

Or maybe they’re all gone ?

[pure raven]

Mate If you’re half Oni and your wife is full Oni the child won’t be a pure blooded oni

[teal stirrup]

I think the better word to describe it is body conditioning. The only way to do this is either you train or fight.

[forest rampart]

Kaido, Yamato, Tobi Roppo (except Drake n Who's Who) are fishmen. Kaido and Yamato aren't onis/ ogres

[weary cliff]

That's just false

[plucky storm]

Black moria? Ulti? Page 1? What qualifies of a fishman do they have

[proud tree]

Current races in One Piece: Fishmen, Skypians = Birkans, 3 eye tribe, Kings race, giants, ancient giants

[pure raven]

Lunarians, tontatas

[sage harness]

Long arms and long legs

[teal stirrup]

It's safe to say there's more than 10 races in One Piece

[pure raven]

Chad piece

[proud tree]

But Humans and Fishmen have the same blood

[teal stirrup]

Dude imagine if ODA had written the story's title as that lol

[drowsy marsh]

Kaido and Oden have the same bloodtype

[weary cliff]

BM kinda goes to show they're all more or less the same species. Just different races

[drowsy marsh]

Kaido has a basic bloodtype

[proud tree]

maybe fishmen are just modified humans through lineage factor

[forest rampart]

It starts from the wiki image aresd posted. Sorry cant post the link since I'm on mobile. @　SpaceCadet

[weary cliff]

Well yes, that's evolution

[proud tree]

in the OP verse a skilled lineage factor scientis could make them an artifical creation .. instead of natural evolved races

[pure raven]

Failed ancient giants in Wano

Kaido could have evolved from the Ancient giants etc

[drowsy marsh]

Caribou was not after Poseidon. He just stumbled upon it. Plus, Momo disappeared for 20 years. It would be hard for anyone to know who Momo is. Even Imu didn't know about Momo and it had picture of Poseidon and Vivi who might be the key to Pluton.

[modest skiff]

I'm still not satisfied with what we know of BM's lineage factor.

[proud tree]

the only thing we know: ancient giants are bigger then giants, and their skulls where on punk hazard (chapter 655)

[teal stirrup]

If we are going to based Dr Vegapunk on Dr Frankstein, then it's possibe to see it that way :

[drowsy marsh]

Good catch. Weevil also kinda reminds me of Frankenstein.

[modest skiff]

I do think Vegapunk is using the WG to be able to conduct his work without being inhibited, claiming to be working for them, but ultimately working towards another greater goal

[pure raven]

Scars in OP usually look like frankenstiens scar

Zoros body scar, Luffys eye one etc etc

[proud tree]

the symbol of Punk Hazard is Kaidous skull? Or is it the skull of an ancient giant?

[modest skiff]

I think Hogback was the Frankenstein of the story and Vegapunk is way beyond that

[teal stirrup]

Haha I guess so. But now that you mentioned Weevil, I wonder what his powers could be.

[pure raven]

Ancient giant skull is what it looks like

[modest skiff]

I think its an ancient giant skull and I also still think Onigashima is a real skull as well

[pure raven]

It was never confirmed not to be a real skull

[proud tree]

it looks exactly like Onigashima Skull ... maybe Punk Hazard scientists even knew about Onigashima

[teal stirrup]

Does this picture comes to mind? Anyone?

[proud tree]

#other-series

[pure raven]

Kek no dont compare haha

[modest skiff]

No #other-series references @teal stirrup just FYI

[pure raven]

Ancient Giant skull not necessarily onigashima

[teal stirrup]

I know but I'm just trying to make a connection here

[modest skiff]

One of the rules of this channel is not relating theories to other series

[proud tree]

Punk Hazard was all about ancient giants research?

[modest skiff]

We know it was about giant research, and the icon on the front that you linked seems to imply perhaps of the ancient variety. But they never SPECIFIED ancient IIRC

[teal stirrup]

Would that include Dr Frankestein series?

[proud tree]

Punk Hazard skull symbol was definetly foreshadowing by Oda for Wano, where Oda will tell us more about them

the Numbers are explicitly linked to Punk Hazard by Big Mom

[pure raven]

mate no. We have seen 2 ancient giants before that

Oars zombie and Oars Jr

[modest skiff]

In general mythology and “old” stories are allowed. The main reason we forbid other series references is due to spoilers. People will refer to transformations or something of other shows, thereby spoiling people who haven’t seen those stories . We want this to be a place you can safely discuss one piece without being spoiled for other stories

[teal stirrup]

And what about those people who are here who could possibly not reached chapter 1000 plus yet?

[proud tree]

Is Punk Hazard the only island in the entire series without a log pose pointing to it?

[drowsy marsh]

Laughtale

[proud tree]

Back when brook was still alive the Samurai still had a reputation ... but now they are all dead, i dont get why Akainu would be still afraid of Wanos Samurai

[sand sail]

There are over 5000 samurai currently helping mess up an Emperor's crew

[pure raven]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4fawTk2LsI This guy thinks he so smart

[proud tree]

Akainu still should be more worried about Kaido then the Samurai prisoners

[modest skiff]

This and most other channels on this server are intended for up to date discussion. No spoilers can be discussed anywhere other than specific spoiler channels, but as soon as the chapter is released in English, it is fair game to discuss it in this channel

[wicked grove]

genius level analysis

[proud tree]

Nami can construct Skypia like Milky roads now btw .. i would imagine the Skypians built their infrastructure similarly how Nami did it here

[pure raven]

This guy expects villain to automatically ignore the person who beats them right after their arc... Ok Zoro shamefully kills Kaido when he is defeated and weak isn't badass I agree yes. But it is something that has to be done if Kaido can't be captured by the marines. Kaido is too strong for anyone to 1v1 him at full power and if he comes after the SHs it will cause them alot of trouble. Considering they have to ally with numerous WGs and the Samurai just to take down his personal force is enough. The marines can't capture Kaido as Wano is off limits and will take time to properly re open after Kaido is defeated. Then he goes off to say how unfair it is to Luffy to not defeat Kaido as his goal requires him to overcome Kaido etc yet he can't overcome Kaido in a 1v1 and Zoro also has a goal that requires him to defeat extremely strong people even if they are fighting along side other people versus one person, Zoro has literally said that he wants his name to reach the heavens. Luffy has no personal grudge against Kaido yet if Zoro is told that Kaido is the one that robbed him of his hometown and his parents then it's only fair for Zoro to defeat or kill him... Yes Luffy was built up to beat Kaido which he will have the biggest part in etc.

[teal stirrup]

So if I haven't reached 1000 yet and I've only read till 900, and I go to this section to see some interesting theories and I accidentally read things relating to 1000 and beyond, what will you do?

[modest skiff]

Nothing, I strongly recommend not reading this channel until you are caught up. Most theories end up tying into recent chapters because the story continues to give hints and clues as it develops. You risk being heavily spoiled if you read this channel. This channel is intended for discussing theories relating to the most current chapters

[pure raven]

Spoilers make me personally look forward to things more.

[spice berry]

Does not apply to everyone

[pure raven]

Thats why I said me personally

[teal stirrup]

Rather than "manga-theories", shouldn't you rename it to "manga-theories-up-to-date-chapters" instead?

[modest skiff]

No. If you want to continue this conversation, feel free to DM me. We shouldn't litter this channel with this conversation

[ancient vault]

ancient giant skull

[teal stirrup]

I'm asking you so everyone here can benefit from the questions as well.

[tender rose]

https://youtu.be/Q4fawTk2LsI

[spice berry]

This is the third time

[sand sail]

Well first, Akainu doesn't know how Wano is at all. For all he knows, there are a thousand Ryuumas running around. But second, the samurai in prison aren't the only samurai in the country, and there were more working under Orochi than there were locked up.

[tender rose]

rlly 😂

[spice berry]

[pure raven]

Lool I legit sent it 2 secs ago look up

[sand sail]

You should take the direction, feel free to continue the conversation in PMs.

[tender rose]

oh shi

[pure raven]

I'm convinced thaat the guy knows nothing about Plot.

[spice berry]

[teal stirrup]

Perhaps if there's something private/personal, then yes, logically I or anyone else would. But I appreciate the input. 😊👍

[sand sail]

Not a rule, but I'd prefer someone give a summary/opinion of the video when it's actually posted

So it's not just a quick link drop in a vacuum lol

[ancient vault]

Coming from a ZKK guy idk

[sand sail]

Oh no, you'll do it because we asked you to. Please stop continuing the conversation in here

[pure raven]

@sand sail I basically say a few of his points here which I disagree with

[sand sail]

Oop, my bad, I will take a read

[proud tree]

King is definetly flying in this panel using his wings ... it even makes the Flap noise (chapter 990)

[weak arrow]

Wow seems like Morj made a good video. I can really only seeing Zoro kills Kaido if it’s execution-style in a post raid sort of way. And even that I give like a 3% chance of happening.

[proud tree]

So King could even fly without using his devil fruit?

[teal stirrup]

May you tell me why? If its nothing personal or offensive, why should I be obliged/forced to speak with you or Mohdoo?

[weak arrow]

Looks like it, yes. The wings certainly aren’t for show because they disappear during the full transformation.

[teal stirrup]

I feel like people are split on this ZKK theory.

[pure raven]

Who is ZKK

[teal stirrup]

Zoro killing Kaido?

[empty nebula]

zoro killling kaido

[ancient vault]

would be weird. Is zoro the type to do that and even then momo should do it or yamato

[pure raven]

Nah it only proves he knows nothing about Plot.

[teal stirrup]

I feel the same way too

[sand sail]

Because this channel has a specific purpose that you've been informed about at least once now, and in order to keep things in line with the discussion and on topic, we'd prefer you ask for further elaboration in a private message or another channel at the least. It's a pretty reasonable request geared entirely toward steering this channel in a single direction, that being discussion and creation of theories up to the currently released manga chapter

[ancient vault]

explain my guy

[weak arrow]

Yamato doesn’t use a sword and I really don’t think momo should be able to harm Kaido in that way.

[tawdry hound]

If Oda gives us more of Zoro's backstory, then ZKK could make some sense. But I believe the point he made about One Piece villains in general is correct. I think it is possible that Luffy defeats Kaido but then Kurohige or someone comes and sneakily kills him,

[sand sail]

I don't think you'd need further explanation than that, but yes, when asked we prefer you to take up the offer of a private message if you do need further help so we can avoid having to go on a tangent like this in public chat. Please consider actually going that way instead next time

[ancient vault]

execution type of way Scabbards?
In terms of who should do it its def not zoro who should. Not as a primary choice

[tawdry hound]

I also happen to believe that Mr Morj's recent videos have not been that great compared to his previous contents

[weak arrow]

Only Zoro would really be able to do it. Scabbards aren’t powerful enough I’m afraid to do an execution.

[tawdry hound]

Like the Green Bull theory was absolute shit

[ancient vault]

Well who cares really cause shiryu is killing kaido

[weak arrow]

Unless you want a death by a 1000 cuts execution but I don’t see that

[teal stirrup]

Yea it's a simple question, wouldnt it be better if you changed "manga-theories" to "manga-theories-up-to-date-chapters" so people would know beforehand? Is it something that publicly offensive to ask or?

[pure raven]

He says it doesn't make sense for Kaido to be killed by a strawhat yes? SHs don't usually kill and the only one known to do so is Zoro which he failed to mention. If Kaido isn't killed and the marines can't capture him yet he is still stronger than Luffy then it would cause big trouble for the SHs if Kaido decides to hunt them on later on. Right now for them to match Kaidos army (His own army not an alliance) they needed to ally with the Samurai and some of the Supernovas.

[ancient vault]

bruh. Ur in a OP server and we got a catching up channel. You should be able to use ur brain to know that the manga channels are for up to date chapters. What else would it be for???

[modest skiff]

I think the Scabbards could spend a great time trying to cut Kaido and have zero success. Right now Yamato, Luffy and Zoro appears to be the only ones on Wano capable of doing actual damage to him

[teal stirrup]

Perhaps due to his studies or work. Who knows.

[ancient vault]

Nah hes just making good money with the shitty videos lol

[teal stirrup]

Lol

[ancient vault]

Robin kills

[tawdry hound]

lmao

[pure raven]

Yeah I forgot about that

[sand sail]

No, but we don't because #manga-theories serves the purpose just fine. This is a channel that has free range of the entire manga, not just the latest chapter. And for the last time, please stop continuing this in the channel.

[pure raven]

No spoilers here

[woeful kettle]

Sorry

[tawdry hound]

would you mind sharing some link/source?

[pure raven]

Ive seen it too. cant share here

[empty nebula]

theories
spoilers wut?

[tawdry hound]

or elaborate

[weak arrow]

No talking about 1026 in any regard at all

[sand sail]

If that's just a theory and not a spoiler, it's fine. If it's based on spoilers, they are not allowed in this channel AT ALL.

[teal stirrup]

I see. I just hope you can consider my opinion, without having to sound aggressive about it.

[empty nebula]

^^

[proud tree]

the Samurai of Wano cant even beat a Number without straw hat support

[teal stirrup]

That just goes to show how strong they are.

[tawdry hound]

bruh if I discuss a theory about gear 5 that would be a spoiler for someone who has started Romance Dawn. you crazy?

[proud tree]

Akainu would be a similar threat to anumber

[sand sail]

Dude, 99% of the marines couldn't beat one of the Numbers

[pure raven]

:/ cmon mate

[ancient vault]

topic change

[tawdry hound]

nvm gomen

[sand sail]

I'm not sure if this is a meme or not, but I'm sure you knew exactly what I meant

[teal stirrup]

Hmm.. I wouldn't go that far.

[ancient vault]

Mods gave you guys a warning just go on about why ZKK is trash

[pure raven]

@sand sail He is actually ehming the rumors

[proud tree]

Akainu > Number imo

[empty nebula]

imo? is there even a doubt? numbers are just giant fodders

[ancient vault]

powerscaling memeing

[teal stirrup]

Yea Id share the same opinion as well. Weve yet to see the full extent of Akainu's powers (DF/Haki)

[pure raven]

We know the OG 3 admirals have advanced armament

[gilded sierra]

No spoilers

[teal stirrup]

That's what buggin me as to why they hadn't been shown fully using it

[gilded sierra]

why still no spoilersd

[proud tree]

Wait ... numbers are ancient giants? Apoo confirmed it

[pure raven]

Not fully but all 3 of them had to use it in order to disperse WBs attack

[modest skiff]

Don't ask for spoilers or discuss spoilers in this channel

[gilded sierra]

Ok boomer

[pure raven]

This here was them using advanced armament

[empty nebula]

time for an actual theory to discuss what would be in odens journal that now yamato and momo know. and we might get to know at end of arc? momo df or lineage to be important (which one)?
would journal have spoilers about laughtale that luffy doesnt want at all? it might discard yamato's joining in crew...

[weak arrow]

There will be information in there that Luffy will definitely not want to know, however I don’t think that’ll stop Yamato from joining. She just won’t give any answers.

[pure raven]

It could have Odens experience in Raftel for one if Luffy is told what he will go haywire.

[teal stirrup]

I've heard some people say that they had to stop WBs attack together from destroying Marineford to minimise such risks, rather than they not being able to do it alone.

[weak arrow]

She’ll make some comment about how that’s totally an ace thing to do somehow about not wanting to know, agrees with it, and then wants to join even more.

[empty nebula]

i feel odens would have talked like rayleigh in journal ... you gotta see it yourself type shit in journal about laughtale...

[pure raven]

Probably yes. But WB and destruction are 2 things that go really well. If WB charged marineford alone he could have destroyed it easily

WBs fruit is extremely collateral if he uses it then he along with his crew get damaged or worse.

[empty nebula]

if not... ie if odens journal mentions anything more than clues about laughtale.... yamato is seriously not looking good for joining then... we will get to know this when momo talks to luffy about why him being alive was imoprtant..i think it will have to do with his lineage... not df.

[pure raven]

They used Ace perfectly to lure out WB he couldn't destroy Marineford because if he does Ace dies. That's why when Ace is saved he tells everyone to run so he can unleash his full power.

[teal stirrup]

I feel like if WG just left Garp, Sengoku and there three admirals alone at MF, they could stop WBs attack provided they don't care about MF being destroyed lol.

[pure raven]

They could definitely beat him but they wont be able to stop his destruction. They could even be taken down with him, the guy spams earthquakes and tsunamis and doesn't even need armament haki to damage Logias.

[teal stirrup]

To be fair, Aokiji did stop WBs tsunami attack by freezing it.

[pure raven]

I believe a prime WB is the strongest in OP and would be able to simultaneously beat 2 admirals at the same time. Not garp and sengoku together too OP.

[pure raven]

Yes that's true but did u see BBs tsunami? That thing could have been unstoppable if Shanks wasn't there.

[empty nebula]

the execution was a show to show the world what happens to pirates. they did care about mf on that show. it wouldnt look good if they had to lose their fortress fighting one pirate.
now...
can we talk about theories pls? 🥺

[pure raven]

What theory would you like to talk about? ZKK, Kaido dying a shameful death opposing his dream, Ancient weapons etc

[teal stirrup]

If someone shot Blackbeard from behind the shadows, I think that'll knock him out for a sec or two out of shock.

[empty nebula]

violet in reverie.
eventual cleansing
role of big mom in future of series

[pure raven]

Doesn't matter what I meant by BBs tsunami was WB could have done more if he hadnt held back

[ancient vault]

failed experiments on creating ancient giants

[pure raven]

Big mom will have a role iMO later on as her goal is semi honorable wanting to unite all races but unite them on an army. That is something we have to see.

[teal stirrup]

If there's anyone they should cleanse, it's the D's but that would be too obvious so I feel like it would be either one of those people on the pictures he (Im) was seen holding.

[pure raven]

I feel like there will be a multi way war

[acoustic helm]

so does single straw hat before ts

[empty nebula]

i thought that big mom's power would be a great way for usopp to prove that he is a brave warrior of sea

[pure raven]

eh

[teal stirrup]

The moment someone has the sea devil fruit, its game over for even the likes of Whitebeard.

[pure raven]

Is that even confirmed...

[teal stirrup]

I didn't say that it was. "The moment"

[pure raven]

So far WB is the strongest in the verse ever. I say so far because we don't know what Im, Joy boy and etc vould do

[ancient vault]

sea devil fruit? lol

[teal stirrup]

It would be the same as me saying "the moment person do this and that"

[pure raven]

There is one other DF that has similar destruction to WBs

[teal stirrup]

Maybe not DF but just simply the ability to control the seas or sum. Could be interesting tbh

[empty nebula]

animals can eat df and gain powers... there is a possibility that a lot of df are just with random chopper like animals in wild

[pure raven]

The only advanced zoan users we know are animals

[ancient vault]

thats basically poseidon

[teal stirrup]

Its implied is it not?

[acoustic helm]

she controls sea kings only

[pure raven]

I personally want to see more of greek mythology combined with the OP world. Like a Zeus fruit similar to the Buddha one Sengoku has etc Which Dragon could have seeing how he can manipulate weather.

[empty nebula]

chopper was a normal animal who ate human human fruit... and there might be monke and giraffes that ate df and are now weilder of yuki yuki or lots of cool df

[pure raven]

If 1026 has been released tomorrow, can we only dicuss 1025?

[light onyx]

What?

[supple anchor]

not in this channel, #spoilers is for spoilers

[pure raven]

Lol u said if Kaido isnt full oni and Yamato is full Oni or smt like that would be impossible

[light onyx]

I just asked if yamatos full blooded or not

[pure raven]

So at which chapter should we not discuss around 1000+?

[modest skiff]

To elaborate on what Ruski said, the raws being released is not soon enough to discuss the new chapter. When an alert goes out indicating fan translations have been released, you can discuss it here. You can check #manga to see which chapters are currently considered current. Right now 1025 is current

[supple anchor]

^^

this server is great at creating a place for everyone to talk about what they wanna talk about without spoiling themselves. anime watchers can stay in anime, manga in manga, spoilers people in spoilers, and people catching up have catchingup

[pure raven]

She cant be full blooded if her dad isnt...

[pure raven]

So a chapter is only considered as spoilers if the eng subs haven't been released?

[light onyx]

Her dad isn’t ?

[pure raven]

Obviously

[light onyx]

Damn oh wells

[modest skiff]

Correct. Until English is released, it is a spoiler and not permitted other than the channels specifically labeled spoilers. You can get the spoiler role in the roles section to gain access to the spoilers channels

[placid dirge]

What about Roger? I@ just curious is it stated that WB eventually became stronger or is it assumed because he lived longer

[pure raven]

I see. So basically if a chapter has been released in Eng Subs it wouldnt be considered as spoilers, right?

[pure raven]

No he was stronger than Roger. He was nicknamed the strongest man alive even in Rogers time. In their battle they were shown to be equal in physical attribute and Haki. But WB has the icing on top which is the tremor fruit, aka the strongest fruit.

Considering Roger who was PK and had all the Poneglyphs at his disposal and if the OP being a weapon theory is true poses a higher threat to the navy had a slightly higher bounty than someone who had non of the poneglyphs and only his own latent ability of sheer destructionl

[placid dirge]

I thought that they named him that after Roger died that’s why the nickname is strongest man “alive” but I totally forgot about the Devil Fruit part tbh

[pure raven]

No he was the strongest man back then. Vivre card even states Rogers best feat was being able to hold his own against him.

[lethal junco]

It was confirmed that when they clashed in the back story WB was stronger then. Maybe cause of Rogers illness

[sand sail]

Whitebeard wasn't the strongest ever, he's just one of the strongest so far

[pure raven]

No Krocus states Roger is in top shape to fight Shiki while being sick concluding it didn't affect his fighting ability.

[pure raven]

He is the strongest we know of so far which I said.

[sand sail]

That's also incorrect, he is not

[pure raven]

Who is then

[sand sail]

There isn't one yet, the two strongest have been Roger and Whitebeard together with Kaido being the new one

[pure raven]

As I said on top WB >= Roger

[sand sail]

He was equal to, not greater than. Canonically, they are the two strongest with arguably Kaido

[pure raven]

He definitely is stronger than Roger... Why was he the strongest man in the world at the time then?

In his battle against Roger he didnt even use DF. His crew was also massively weaker than Rogers and they were still able to tie. It's common sense really

[sand sail]

He is canonically not stronger than Roger, that's just the fact of the series so far. His crew being massively weaker than Roger's makes no sense, I'm not sure how you figure that when the crews tied for 3 days straight against one another

And him getting the title before Roger steps up is fine, that doesn't change the fact by the time Roger was the King, the two were dead even, and that's the only word about it.

[supple anchor]

WB won the gift exchange

[pure raven]

So you're telling me WBs crew is the same strength as Rogers... That had 2 yonko levels supposedly.

[pure raven]

The fight happened before Roger became PK

[sand sail]

What two Emperors are you talking about besides Roger?

[lethal junco]

In the vivre card that came out in july it was said that whitebeard was the strongest pirate in the world when oden joined his crew

[sand sail]

And...yes. Did you think anyone besides Roger fought Whitebeard?

Who do you think his crew fought? lol

[supple anchor]

Xebec is the one guy that might have been on their level

[pure raven]

Umm idk if you're ironically being hard headed or not...

Rayleigh literally no diffed Marco... nvm

[sand sail]

Rayleigh never fought Marco.

We don't really refer to the anime as evidence in arguments here, man

[pure raven]

Rayleigh is still stronger than Marco though.

[modest skiff]

Correct. Check to make sure by reading the description of #manga before posting though, just to make sure. That channel will always tell you the current chapter.

[placid dirge]

Y’all really skipping over Gaimon?

[sand sail]

Sure, Rayleigh at that time is stronger than Marco at that time, that's fine

[pure raven]

Rayleigh was stated to be similar to Roger in power as well. I know WB didn't fight Rayleigh but WB still didn't use hid DF against Roger.

[sand sail]

I don't believe that's ever been stated

[pure raven]

Does this only apply to this discord One Piece server or everywhere else as well?

[mild kite]

I really dont think Oda intends for readers to powerscale individual members of each of the two crews like this. Simply, Wb's Crew = Roger's crew

Cause I dont think that conversation goes anywhere

[pure raven]

Rank /=/ strength I hope u know that

[sand sail]

Yeah, it's not about them individually. The fact of the matter is Whitebeard fought Roger, and only they fought each other, there's literally no scenario here except one crew was equal to the other.

Like, only they could fight one another canonically.

[pure raven]

Yes obviously... But WB > Roger non the less.

[modest skiff]

All channels on this server follow this rule other than #catching-up , which requires spoiler tagging everything essentially. And also the spoiler channels on this server. Go to the roles section to get the spoiler role if you want access to spoiler channels. If you have more questions DM me so we don’t litter this channel

[sand sail]

Every source in the series says otherwise, though. You're ignoring canon here, man.

[pure raven]

What source says other wise? Is it the Pirate King role which WB had no intention of? Was it WBs nickname?

[sand sail]

Literally every stated source in the manga that's referenced the two of them together.

The very first word about Whitebeard, in fact.

First and last, actually.

[pure raven]

They were similar in power as shown by the clash and their battle... But WB didn't use his Fruit, his fruit alone puts him as the strongest in the verse.

[sand sail]

No, the only canon word we've had about where these two stand is that one is equal to the other with no caveat attached. The only obvious conclusion is Roger was powerful enough to match the Gura Gura in a fight, which is something multiple individuals can do.

[pure raven]

WB didnt use it tho...

[sand sail]

Irrelevant, that doesn't change literally everything we've been told about where they stand

[cosmic bloom]

10/10 video, still didnt watch it

[pure raven]

They were stated to be equals. But ignoring your no offence hard headedness nobody can truly be equal to another...

[sand sail]

What you're assuming clearly isn't the actual case here, you've got to rethink your hypothesis

[pure raven]

Sorry I'm not the one who is being thrown off by a hyperbole.

[sand sail]

That's not your call to make though, it's Oda's. And apparently, that's how he's making it here

Especially if a 3 day fight ended in a draw and party

[pure raven]

Bruh. You really are hard headed and back everything up by hyperboles. Sorry to say but logical statements have to be made "It's Odas call" why would he name WB the strongest man alive (Hyperbole maybe) if Roger could equally match him?

[sand sail]

Let's do it this way, can you provide any manga pages to support your assertion here?

[desert hatch]

well its cited so u could look

[pure raven]

@sand sail

Also considering Gol D Rogers rols PK iis what the story revolves around

[sand sail]

So, stop with the ad hominem. If you can't support your assertion, I'm gonna have to ask you to just stop making it here, it's getting to the point of being toxic now. Every page says the opposite of what you are trying to say here, you're gonna have to provide anything that agrees.

[desert hatch]

didnt he just send a screenshot?

[pure raven]

Ok tell me why WB was called "The worls strongest man" if Roger was equal to him at the same time.

[sand sail]

Last chance here before I move it along, go ahead and drop a page. Chapter, quote, SBS, anything you'd like.

[desert hatch]

lol he already shared evidence thats cited, shouldnt have to do more

[light onyx]

[pure raven]

I literally dropped a screenshot from vivrecard mate

[sand sail]

Screenshotting a page from the wikipedia doesn't work, bud

[pure raven]

He was called "The worlds strongest man" do you want me to read the Manga to you where they fought?

[desert hatch]

its cited

[sand sail]

Yeah, a page that has citations is not a source.

[pure raven]

Ill pull out the manga page then

[sand sail]

You could, 'cause it ends in a total draw

[desert hatch]

all im saying is he shared something that was cited, u dont believe the citation, u look into it, thats ur problem

[light onyx]

At times I feel like titles are Exaggerated in one piece

[pure raven]

Idc about the fight he didn't use his power there. My point is why is Roger not the worlds strongest man and WB is.

[sand sail]

But, problem is, you're putting your theory onto the situation. We can look at both the fight and every instanced it's referenced in the manga, but unanimously, it all says only that Whitebeard was equal

Everything else you're saying here is your own theory about it, which is okay, but you're gonna have to support that besides just asking a question about the situation

[sand sail]

Because Whitebeard got it first, and Roger caught up later.

[neat inlet]

kinda a crazy theory i've just come with - the Oni hate the Wano people because of the Ponyglyphes
Since Kaido is indestructible, and neither are the Ponyglyphes (and their origin is from Wano, but we never got an explanation of what they're made of), maybe there is some connection between the two? the oni race i mean

[pure raven]

Then how did Roger beat the Rocks pirates...

[sand sail]

I've seen something like this before, but nah, Kaido's indestructibility is from his fruit. Maybe it's another connection tho

[sand sail]

This happened 6 years before Whitebeard got his title, why is it relevant?

[light onyx]

You’re saying wb is stronger than roger ?

[pure raven]

Because Roger is initially stronger than WB. So how do you say "Whitebeard got it first"

[neat inlet]

i mean, momo has the same fruit and he's pretty destructible. on the other hand, we've got yamato who's standing toe-to-toe with her dad, so maybe it is related to the oni blood after all?

nothing about the wano people scream "they rule the strongest material in the world", we don't know their connection to the oni people yet, but they seem to posses way more power than the wano folks

[sand sail]

Dude, you're arguing over a 13 year period here, you realize that right?

[pure raven]

So?

[sand sail]

Peoples' power ebb and flow constantly. Luffy's made astronomic leaps and bounds in less than 3 years

And you're placing this over a period of 13

[pure raven]

When did WB get the title by your terms?

[light onyx]

Nobody knows tho

[sand sail]

He got it 6 years after God Valley happened

[pure raven]

So he assumed he got it before Roger

[pure raven]

When was it stated

[sand sail]

Of what, Pirate King?

[sand sail]

It's in extra material, one of the recent magazines that talks about it

[light onyx]

I think he’s only called the strongest man cuz he could destroy the world but that would kill him too making him a very foolish man

[pure raven]

What does having the power to destroy the world make you compared to Roger?

[light onyx]

He’d kill himself too nobody’s winning

[pure raven]

He can minimize the scale to not destroy the whole world. It's not like destroying the world is his fruits only ability...

[light onyx]

His fruits ability is to cause tremors

[pure raven]

Is that something Roger can do?

[sand sail]

No, but if this is an ability the admirals can easily match, it's strange that you think Roger shouldn't be able to.

[light onyx]

No it’s a devil fruit he ate that’s the only devil fruit

[pure raven]

Admirals. Plural.

[sand sail]

No, admiral. One. Akainu does it alone at least once.

[pure raven]

Does he have the ability to cause tsunamis? Is that why he got buried by an earthquake?

[light onyx]

Aren’t wb and roger stated to be equals tho?

I mean I view the guy with no df who’s equal to a guy who mostly relies on their df to be the strongest

[pure raven]

Yes but nobody is truly equal. They are more like similar probably meant as equal rank or position in the one piece world.

[pure raven]

WB was able to fight Roger without his DF and tie wdym...

[sand sail]

Your supposition is not supported by the series.

[sand sail]

And we saw exactly one exchange of them matching one another, you're gonna have to stop saying this when the fight went on for 3 more days too

[light onyx]

[pure raven]

If they were equal then they would both be the strongest man alive.

[sand sail]

No, because one person had that title and Roger never took it from him, he only ever matched it.

[pure raven]

So Roger can match to being able to summon Tsunamis and destroy nations by earthquakes?

[sand sail]

Roger did have to go and catch up, this is true, but by the time of that fight they were dead equal, and that is the legacy they both leave related to one another

[pure raven]

When was that stated. If anything it's the other way aorund

[sand sail]

Maybe? We don't know. But what we do know is that, at the least, he was able to match Whitebeard directly.

[toxic oriole]

Are spoilers out?

[light onyx]

No not yet

[toxic oriole]

Ok thanks

[sand sail]

!spoiler

[lone hedge]

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[sand sail]

This really isn't the channel to ask for it tho

[cosmic bloom]

Wouldn't Tsunamis and Earthquakes aLSO affect WB?

[sand sail]

Nah, not really. He can always just bat away the tsunami if he needed

[pure raven]

The tsunami on marineford in the beginnng didnt

[cosmic bloom]

Oh Okay

[pure raven]

he didnt expect it to actually go through as that would kill ace

[sand sail]

And there's no real way to stop the collateral, Roger wouldn't be able to keep Whitebeard from for example wiping the island around them as they fought. But that doesn't mean he can't match Whitebeard's power, which we know for a fact he obviously could

[light onyx]

Would you say roger was weakened due to his disease

[pure raven]

No Krocus stated before Roger and Shiki fought that roger was in top shape to fight despite the sickness

[sand sail]

No it wouldn't, they have fishmen on their side...

[sand sail]

So, when he goes to fight Shiki it seems that he's just fine. The disease doesn't visibly begin to debilitate him until he gets Oden and they're on the eve of Laugh Tale, then we get them coughing up blood and such.

[pure raven]

I forgot about that

[light onyx]

I think it weakened him

[sand sail]

Eventually yeh, when it was in its last stages for sure

[smoky basin]

basicbean is this the only chat you talk in

i never see you anywhere else

[tawdry bramble]

This and spoilers are the only chats that matter

[drowsy marsh]

This video is amazing

[pure raven]

Lol are u being fr? i cant tell

[drowsy marsh]

Yeah, I laughed. Marine guy number 2

[pure raven]

Bruh ur confusing memore

[drowsy marsh]

You didn't like the video?

[pure raven]

No it was pretty bad.

[drowsy marsh]

I thought it was pretty funny

[pure raven]

In what way lol

[lapis prairie]

I didn't like that Morj wouldn't entertain a possibility that there would be a legit reason to kill Kaido after he's beaten. -

Not like in an execution way, but in a story way. Like Kaido's about to do something terrible, and killing him would stop it.

Also, For the Zoro has to kill a dragon thing - We still don't know what King looks like. He has wings and breathes fire. That dude could basically be a dragon

[pure raven]

It's really simple actually idk how simple minded he is. But not killing the strongest person currently is a mess ill explain

[lapis prairie]

There is also that the new world, specifically Wano has drawn from the story of Momotaro and the Peach

In that story all the demons are killed, except the leader, who after being defeated offers to have himself taken captive

[pure raven]

So basically Kaido is a yonko. The Strawhats had to ally with multiple super novas, the samurai and many others just to be able to match Kaidos force. Now Kaido after he's defeated if he's left alive will want to take vengeance on the SHs and will hunt them down. Luffy will not surpass Kaido yet on his own. Taking down Kaido will be a team effort but if Kaido hunts them it will be very bad for the SHs. Kaido also can't be captured by the marines as wano is inaccessible.

[lapis prairie]

I mean, Doffy was taken captive

And Marines are already there. CP0 could take him, or more Marines could come. It's clear they know how to

Plus Drake called for the Marines. Morj thinks Kaido isn't the end of Wano, and I agree. Not that the raid will fail, but that the Marines are coming next

[pure raven]

Also Morj says that Luffy is built up to takee down yonkos and Kaidos. So is Mihawk he has the title of the strongest swordsman Zoro must defeat people similarly relevant even if not by his own. Zoro wants his name to reach the heaven and role / rank doesn't really mean stronger in some cases. For Zoro to have such a big name he needs to be moderately be close to Luffys acheivments.

[lapis prairie]

How would being the worlds best swordsman not be a great acheivement?

[pure raven]

The marines aren't ready to face 2 emperors and many of the supernovas as they are spread all around the world atm.

[pure raven]

It is a great acheivment. But it shouldn't be Zoros only acheivment.

[lapis prairie]

They're not facing the emperors, the'd be shackling Kaido

[pure raven]

You don't get to be the strongest by taking out weaker people.

[lapis prairie]

??? How is Mehawk weaker?

[pure raven]

You ddidnt understand what I mean. I meant Zoro for him to be the strongest he has to defeat some of the strongest people

[pure raven]

The marines are spread out rn dealing with the warlords after reverie

aight aight aight...but for the real theory------Imu is Luffy's mother and Dragon will have to have a face off with her in a Revolutionary/Marine war.

[lapis prairie]

That's the goal of the character, to be that man. Mehawk is the best swordsman. That's not weak. King isn't weak. Whoever he fights in the Marines won't be weak.

[pure raven]

Obviously King isn't weak but he isn't near mihawks level.

[lapis prairie]

And for Luffy to be the Pirate king, HE has to defeat the Yonkos

[pure raven]

And who also carries that ambition o his shoulders.

Luffy isn't by himself he has his crew for a reason

zzzZZZzZZzz

[lapis prairie]

...Sure. That doesn't help your case at all

[pure raven]

Zoro would die for Luffys ambition as proven before we know he's ultimately loyal to Luffy but Luffy will have the biggest part in defeating Kaido.

[lapis prairie]

Cipher Pol can contain a shackled Kaido

[pure raven]

Zoro will simple have the finishing blow or kill him after he is defeated.

[lapis prairie]

Disagree. If you disagree further, watch that video

[pure raven]

They said they wouldn't interfere. Them showing up at Wano would be very bad as it could make Wano their enemy.

[pure raven]

I'm the one who posted the video here...

[lapis prairie]

How would taking Kaido away make them the enemy to Wano?

[pure raven]

It's not them taking away Kaido. It's that CP is a part of the government and Wano isn't a part of it, them showing up to contain Kaido could very well end up making Wano their enemy.

• there is ALOT of foreshadowing on ZKK

[lapis prairie]

And if they wanted Kaido taken away? If more Marines show up you think they wouldn't want Kaido?

[pure raven]

Marines are spread all over the world fighting Warlords. Have u not seen reverie?

[lapis prairie]

Why do you think someone taking away a countries villian would make them the villian?

[lapis prairie]

Oh is that all of them, or do you not know?

[pure raven]

Because Wano doesnt associate with the world government.

[visual merlin]

Zoro just wants to be WSS, taking down Mihawk does that, and other achievements would include things like beating King, someone with a huge bounty. His achievements don't have to, and probably shouldn't be nearly as good as Luffy's, especially since Mihawk himself has said becoming PK is way harder than zoro's dream.

In case I misinterpreted anything or am wrong on what the argument is, I apologize, I just got here so bear with me

[lapis prairie]

You're 100% right, this dude is impossible

[pure raven]

I know the marines have a new ancient weapon

[lapis prairie]

Cool headcannon bro.

[pure raven]

Luffy being PK is a part of Zoros goal...

[visual merlin]

?

Zoro wants luffy to be PK, what does that matter to anything I said there?

[lapis prairie]

See

[visual merlin]

That doesn't mean his achievements will be near luffy's, or that his goal is as difficult

[pure raven]

Him killing Kaido will be for Luffys sake not his own. + If Zoros legacy not being the one to kill Kaido he wouldnt have taken Enma.

[lapis prairie]

You take it from here, Laww

[pure raven]

The whole crew shares Luffys ambition otherwise they wouldnt be a crew...

Zoro lays his own life so Luffy can be PK

Not killing Kaido will become a bigger obstacle for Luffy to become PK

Do you understand. The marines couldnt contain Kaido many times as well.

Morj even said the SHs dont kill which a few of them did. Zoro and Nico robin both killed quite a bit. You seem to think being pirate king is Luffys end goal but no it's part of his goal

[glossy canopy]

When are the spoilers coming?

[pure raven]

Much less Luffy doesn't have a proper grudge against Kaido he wants to defeat the yonkos for his goal as PK. But when Zoro learns about how Kaido killed his parents and basically took away his hometown he will build up a grudge and maybe kill him because of it. Zoro doesn't need to defeat Kaido to kill him which is why I said Luffy will have the bigger part in defeating Kaido.

[grizzled fog]

Luffy has plenty of a grudge against kaido. And zoro probably wouldn’t care all that much if he learnt kaido did something to his family. He never even knew them

[visual merlin]

No, Im not seeing how this has anything to do with what I said

[pure raven]

being WSS?

[sand sail]

Luffy absolutely has a proper grudge against Kaido

[visual merlin]

Nami also wants Luffy to be PK, doesn't mean her achievements need to be anything like his, or that she needs to be some god

[sand sail]

He's devastated and murdered several of Luffy's friends

[pure raven]

So u think Zoros legacy will end with him being WSS?

[visual merlin]

yes, that's what he wants

whether or not he kills kaido he'd be known for being WSS

[pure raven]

Then he could leave the SHs doesnt need to be with them to be WSS

[grizzled fog]

That’ll be by far the biggest thing attributed to him.

[visual merlin]

why would that mean he leaves the SHs?

[pure raven]

Because u said his legacy will end with WSS

[visual merlin]

yes, he literally doesn't need to be, but he wants to be with them

his legacy will be that he was WSS

it doesn't mean he dies or falls off the planet when he beats Mihawk

[pure raven]

When you realize Zoro would rather die than Luffy losing his ambition...

[grizzled fog]

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