manga-theories

[dusky acorn]

Which is pretty clear to me, by how Oda even chose to acknowledge a cover page between them in a gag-like manner https://scans-hot.leanbox.us/manga/One-Piece/0996-001.png

[tawdry plaza]

Now I’m sure Shanks is hiding something

There are two possibilities, either Shanks really being an idiot and Ben Beckmann, saying “this guy” due to his idiocy or Shanks is just acting being an idiot and Ben said “This guy” because he knew it was an acting

[queen arrow]

why

who's he acting to

[tawdry plaza]

And “This is no time to be “acting” like an idiot”

[queen arrow]

that line isn't in the manga

[tawdry plaza]

Wait, it isn’t?

[queen arrow]

they just tell him to calm down

even in other translations

[tawdry plaza]

Though Ben Beckman’s reaction is still the same, if not the same, similar

[queen arrow]

you're reading way too much in to it man

[tawdry plaza]

Yeah, maybe I’m just overthinking it

I think The other fruit was consumed by his ring or smth as there was a sword that ate a df

[cloud sail]

this might be a dumb question, but if people think zoro is from wano, how can zoro's old dojo get news about his bounties and stuff?

nvm the dojo is in east blue im dumb

[tawdry plaza]

I’m quite sure only his family background is from Wano

[sacred hawk]

You know how Sasaki's horns are black when he's transformed, but not in his base form? What he uses haki specifically on the horns?

[grizzled fog]

They probably aren’t the same horns. The black horns are just a feature of the Dino

[sand sail]

Not even a probably, Sasaki doesn't have triceratops horns in his human form

[ancient vault]

only valid horns theory is my horns theory

[sinful gale]

someone make a good theory about usopp he didnt get any shine for over 100 chapters

[acoustic helm]

Abt what ❓

[tiny forum]

[kindred blaze]

isint world an ogre as well? he has horns

[vestal orbit]

the guy from 3d2y?

[tawdry plaza]

Oda gonna probably pull up an actual Sogeking

[kindred blaze]

yea

[vestal orbit]

he's non-canon and has different shaped horns, def not

and besides, there are a lot more chars with horns than him, including such powerhouses as merry the butler

somehow i really doubt that merry's going to be an oni

[kindred blaze]

yea but hes teeth tho

[vestal orbit]

what about them?

[kindred blaze]

[vestal orbit]

[kindred blaze]

They are so spaced and shaped like molded fudge like an oger, and also he sounds like one.

Also does not matter if hes not canon his race does not effect that

[light onyx]

Ik

[vestal orbit]

an oni is a bit different from the western concept of an ogre, don't think teeth is a defining trait

yamato and kaido have completely different teeth as well

[kindred blaze]

Kaido might not be an ogre

[vestal orbit]

never actually watched 3d2y so i don't know how his voice sounds but i'm assuming it's just rough and rumbly and all that

by that logic there are countless characters who qualify as an ogre by your standards

[vestal orbit]

so a filler character is probably an ogre but not kaido?

[kindred blaze]

idk maybe hes a hybrid

[vestal orbit]

brug

[tawdry plaza]

What are you guys’ opinion about Shanks either hiding something or straight up being a villain

[vestal orbit]

possible

[kindred blaze]

he cant be a villain thats for sure

[shy crater]

I think what shanks told the gorosei is something that’ll be surprising but idk about villain

The ambiguity of shanks is fun tho

[kindred blaze]

oda creates people that betray lose fights die but we never did anything with shanks, shanks was always just someone who luffy looks up to

[tawdry plaza]

He said he wanted to talk about a pirate, ig

[vestal orbit]

definitely has his secrets though not sure if he's hiding them for malicious reasons or anything like that

being a villain could be possible depending on his motivations, honestly could go either way in my eyes

[shy crater]

The obvious choice would be Blackbeard but I feel like it could be another shocking revelation

[empty nebula]

Big moms powers of life or treat is a great power that could be the feat ussop needs to prove he is brave warrior of sea. It has been shown how it works and how to counter it.
(Though i admit life or treat checks for "fear or no fear".. (or thats what we have been shown).. not actual bravery of having fear and still facing it..)
Additional perks being ussops dream being elbaf based and big mom has elbaf relations too

[kindred blaze]

this is weird tho

[shy crater]

The reason why he can openly talk to the gorosei is a mystery in itself

[vestal orbit]

the pinned theory abt shanks talking about kidd is pretty interesting

[shy crater]

Every shanks behind the scenes info is hype af

Still don’t know what happened with shanks and kaido

That could be revealed this arc

[empty nebula]

Shanks is reasonable. And thats a good enough reason to let him speak. He didnt come openly telling everyone hey look wg is talking to pirates... He came in hiding...

[kindred blaze]

shanks stole gum gum from a marine base not liek they found it they have no reason to get gum stealing it from a marine base so why did he steal it we also know this cause one of the tobi roppo i forgot his name the one fighting jinbe right now explained that he was thrown away cause he coulditn protect gum gum fruit

[empty nebula]

Whos who

[vestal orbit]

stole it from a marine transport vessel

and ye who's who is already defeated

[kindred blaze]

thats not the point

[vestal orbit]

wh

[kindred blaze]

why did he steal it tho

[vestal orbit]

i know it's not your point

just clearing it up a lil

personal favorite headcanon is that it was vegapunk's first artificial fruit or smthn like that

[vestal orbit]

how does this sound like i thought that was your point lmao

[kindred blaze]

lol ccan we all move to manga the cool down is getting on my nerves

[empty nebula]

I had a theory about this.. if shanks managed to get toki toki no mi later... And he teleported kaido and king 2 days in future that would mean he got away unscratched...
And his future prediction were lot more trustable like how he warned wb about ace vs bb... Etc..

But in all likelihood it could just be that he convinced kaido that wano arc would be better than mf arc... And wb warning was just from past experience with bb

[kindred blaze]

what if luffy got toki toki no mi and one of his friends ate it

[shy crater]

It was probably one sky splitting yonko clash and then shanks using sake to convince him and had another deal

[vestal orbit]

honestly pretty interesting idea but i really doubt it

none of the red hairs had any interest in the gomu gomu no mi b/c eating it would prevent the user from swimming

[empty nebula]

Yeah shanks is smart enough to know that you dont need df to rule the seas... He saw it first hand

[shy crater]

Maybe shanks gave kaido info to the road poneglyph kaido has now
But idk if shanks would know/remember that

[kindred blaze]

[vestal orbit]

roger

[empty nebula]

Even buggy knew it. They wouldn't eat df.

[kindred blaze]

bruh i dont mean it liek taht

i mean that white beard would be like

[vestal orbit]

was shanks a whitebeard pirate or a roger pirate?

[empty nebula]

And celestial dragons😂

[kindred blaze]

Lol dude i mean if white beard heard that

[empty nebula]

Roger was king. Wb wasnt ever. He was strongest man. And was happy.. he already got his dream

[shy crater]

Both accomplished their dream

[vestal orbit]

o

that makes more sense

but uhh

i'd say the pirate king was definitely a step above a yonko in terms of ruling the seas

[kindred blaze]

ahem moving on >

i think oda himself underestimates big mom

some people really think luffy would win on bigmom

[shy crater]

Maybe big mom is the “kuma” of this arc if it parallels thriller bark

[kindred blaze]

a lot actually

[shy crater]

Unless more factions get involved

[empty nebula]

What so you think of Kidd in future of series?
Just a rival racing for one piece? I dont see much role of him... Bonney sure!!! Bege nope.. killer nope.. hawkins nope ..apoo nope! Xdrake yes!

[shy crater]

The way big mom’s character is designed makes it feels like there’s no stakes when fighting big mom
After wci

[kindred blaze]

wci?

[shy crater]

Whole cake island

[kindred blaze]

ahh ok i though u ment wano country arc but misspelled for i

[empty nebula]

To me... Big mom feels a set up for ussop to fight. Slightly gag character. Bravery counters her moves. Bulky and tanky, and needs brains to win over her defences..

If ussop was at tea party i am sure it wouldn't be brooks breaking the painting it would be ussop

[spice berry]

Probably. He would've sniped it from afar. No way he'll show his face in front of BM and her cronies.

[modest skiff]

Lets try to keep the conversation in this channel to theories rather than "what could have happened". #manga and #also-manga are good for casual conversation sorts of stuff

[silver escarp]

idk if anybody remembers about a year ago someone told of a theory where the weapons use is to destroy the red line and make all the blues in one piece (somehing like that)also that roger might have wanted to do it

[pure raven]

I remember

[lone nymph]

God usopp. His self proclaimed name is also a lie. What if he was born from a line of celestial dragons?

[limpid holly]

i tend to believe that there are 2 kind of giants, Elbaf Giants and Onigashima Oni, Demon Giants and both of them fought against each other since ancient time.
since Elbaf arc supposed to be inspired by Nordic Mythology.
in nordic mythology there were 2 races of people who were each other enemy, the first one Asgardians, role by Odin, King of the nordic gods.
and the "Ice Giants" roled by their King.
both were associated in one piece with Elbaf Giants and Oni's

Elbaf Giants have the warrior viking mentality and design it just and vikings uncannily worshipped the nordic gods also there is One Piece character named "Loki" and he is the Elbaf Giant prince which in nordic mytology Loki, the Giant Ice prince, was adopted to Odin, king of the gods, Asgardian, who is worshipped by Vikings

and on the other hand we have the Oni's (Demon Giants) which was just revealed to us so im just looking back to see if Oda left any clues to us in previous chapters and this is what i was able to find in relation of "Ice Giants" from the nordic mythology.

1. In nordic mythology there is "Ice Giant" prince named, Loki who was adopted by Odin, the king of gods, and since Odin is Asgardian both should be each other natural enemies, and in One Piece it was mentioned that Yamato is "Oni Princess" multiple time

2. Queen used biological weapon oddly enough named "Ice Oni"

3. Horns, when Queen turned people to "Ice Oni" they changed their appearance and interestingly enough raised horns, similar to Kaido and Yamato and since it described to us as Oni, the conclusion is that real Oni's have horns, from what we know Kaido, Yamato and arguably Ors.
   the rest of the beast pirates's horns are symbolize Kaido's.
   since Oni is Demon in Japanese it fit the stereotypical look of demon and in relation to the nordic, Vikings had horns in their helmets.

4. Onigashima name.
   oni-gashima, think about, the name imply Oni's (demon/non elbaf giant) ancient origin.
   and to amplify this point just look at the ancient gigantic giant skull with horns, he most likely to be Oni.

5. Marco said that onigashima had different name back then, maybe someone tried to erase Onigashima's past

6. Kaido implied that him and Yamato aren't human.

in conclusion i believe Elbaf Giants and Oni Demon Giant from today's Onigashima were eternal enemies same as Asgardians and Ice Giants in nordic mythology.

I predicts that once Yamato reach Elbaf with the straw hat he would have hard time due to him being Oni, the eternal enemy of Elbaf Giants, Yamato might form relationship with Loki, Elbaf Giant prince, it might start on left lag due to the nature of their origin.

here are 2 pics of Yamato with mask and Loki from nordic mythology, look similar, right?

[waxen light]

Yamato is wearing a Hannya mask used in Noh theater. Not really seeing the resemblance even if you recolor it.

[pure raven]

Oni, ogre and demon are all similar words and can mixed up in translations.

[ancient vault]

theyre the same word in japanese

[ancient vault]

didnt i tell u this before? there are more than 2 giant tribes lol

[night jewel]

yeti cool brothers (subrace) and saul and the other south blue giants btw

[ancient vault]

the yeti cool brothers are called giant beast men

[night jewel]

oh the subrace was given a name too? nice

thought vivre cards only mentioned that they are a subspecies of giants or something along those lines

[ancient vault]

And I believe theyve been foreshadowed in skypiea

It makes sense but idk if its a coincidence

Yeti cools brothers race is called "Giant beast men" and yetis are afraid of fire
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/738580480437387264/886051389313277982/unknown-4.png
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/738580480437387264/886051388973527080/unknown-3.png

Skypiea map 400 years ago with an ogre like figure

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/738580480437387264/886051191132389376/unknown-2.png

[limpid holly]

yeah i know, BUT it is resembles Loki, Oda might choose it because they look similar

[ancient vault]

making norse mythology connection to a clearly japanese folklore inspired character is kind of dumb

[ancient vault]

there are also others from the west blue I think

[night jewel]

oh this is actually pretty interesting huh, i guess the ogres left skypiea at some point

[ancient vault]

Either that or they died out

[limpid holly]

again, i told you that all the giants you familiar today's, their family/ancestors most likely immigrated from either Elbaf or Onigashima (Homeland of Oni/Demon Giants)

[night jewel]

yeah, thats possible too

[ancient vault]

why r u double posting

[limpid holly]

i reedit it

[night jewel]

south blue giants seem to not like elbaf giants, so i wonder what happened there

ig they could have immigrated from elbaf because of some conflict

[ancient vault]

Onigashima being the homeland of onis is also questionable

[night jewel]

yea, it wasnt even called onigashima originally and the skull might not have been there either because oden called it an empty island

so it could have just been a piece of land with a mountain that kaido rebuilt to make it look like an oni skull

[ancient vault]

Thats my theory

And he was inspired by oars legend

[limpid holly]

who knows what is the climate in Elbaf, there could be much more colder and snowy land that would fit those Yeti brothers, btw even Wano has it, Ringo region for example

[ancient vault]

Creating "new onigashima" as a home of onis/ogres to live on

[night jewel]

elbaf seems to have a normal summer climate? as far as i can remember, we didnt see any snow in big mom's flashback

[ancient vault]

Nah, we did see snow. 867 or so i think

[limpid holly]

very big mom's like

[ancient vault]

Unless the islsnd she was chilling on alone as a kif wasnt elbaf

[night jewel]

this? hm maybe

[round heron]

Rewatching with my sister and we’re in Post enies lobby. kinda wonder if Treasure Tree Adam and Sunlight Tree Eve have more significance in the story. Eve seems important to FMI/maybe is in Mariejois. And both the Oro Jackson and Thousand Sunny are made from Treasure Tree Adam’s wood that was sold on the black market. Also when talking about Adam Franky says that there were people “long ago” who were at war and even though their island kept being destroyed, they always rebuilt by Adam, since it survived. Don’t think this was the ancient kingdom since the wood probably wouldn’t be getting sold for obvious reasons, unless it’s being sold from the tree which was cut down by the WG during the void century. In which case it could’ve been that Eve was over FMI in mariejois and the partnered tree Adam was in the kingdom.

[ancient vault]

i meant the island her parents left her on

[night jewel]

ah gotcha

[normal plume]

I wonder if there's a connection to why the celestial dragons call themselves dragons and why Dragon calls himself Dragon..is it even his real name, we don't know. What is it with dragons- I get the celestial part which comes from their ego. Is it just to sound cool?

[tranquil rivet]

his real name is already revealed when he's first introduced, Monkey D. Dragon

[proud tree]

• their weird symbol ... only bcs it looks cool? (chapter 521)

[idle coral]

Yeah and Garp also calls him Dragon, so I doubt it's an alias.

[ancient vault]

its a dragon foot

[proud tree]

Kaidos foot looks nothing like it

[ancient vault]

They call themselves dragons because dragons are seen as godly creatures

[ancient vault]

dragon claw ig

[waxen dust]

imagine being hardcore enough to get that as a tattoo

[raw palm]

no

[proud tree]

one interesting thing I found on the internet concerning the Eve/Adam thing ...:

"the fact that Umi (reverse of Imu)" The manga, of course, uses イム (never Imu) and the reverse of that is ムイ (Mui) Better speculation about Imu is イム Eve イブ and Adam アダム. So the first character of Eve イ and the last character of Adam ム spell イム (Imu) Of course, to make it confusing, 仏 is the Kanji for Buddha.

Google translate seems to agree xD

[waxen dust]

oh shit! Can I take this information for my theory? This is actually good stuff

[proud tree]

ofc

[waxen dust]

I’m completely suck with doing the japanese wording on my own, but this 100% ties into something I’ve been working for a while. I really wished I could understand the language better, because there’s some interesting things right under our noses with it

[proud tree]

yeah idk the only thing I can do is trust on google translate ... not a confident source if you ask me

[waxen dust]

The fact that this wordplay with Imu is true, means I am on the right track with my theory. Like you don’t know how I excited I am right now

[weary cliff]

Im being a portmanteau of Eve + Adam is perhaps flimsier thsn the umi thing

[waxen dust]

Well the thing is with Imu, we have very limited information about them so there’s no actual foundation to build theories on without using context clues throughout the story and the only scenes they were presented

[weary cliff]

It's just that there isn't a context to tie them to adam/eve. Just super generic katakana that could fit anything. The fact that Im uses the same radicals as buddha is at least something

[waxen dust]

I don’t know about the katakanas and all the wordings that well, but I do believe just based on what we know of the Adam and Eve tree and the Eve tree likely being somewhere nearby Mariejoas; also given the fact we see Imu has this private garden for their leisure suggests the trees may have a relevancy to tie into Imu’s character, especially if Oda is taking inspiration from other works of literature to write this character.

[abstract owl]

Imu is a alien

[pine delta]

finally, more people are seeing the light that imu is an alien

one piece is a massive alien conspiracy it has to be

[weary cliff]

It honestly wouldn't shock me

[slender flint]

💀

[waxen dust]

I think that the fact we got an introduction of the “Land of Gods” may suggest that this is something more biblical/mythological related than aliens.

[plain shell]

THEORY :

When King gets unmasked, he will have a big, red, round, nose

[waxen dust]

Red Nose Tribe

[reef solstice]

i have been looking up possible connections with imu's name, here's some things i found:

1. @waxen dust i defo think the adam+eve thing is a stretch since there are very few japanese syllables in the first place, but if this somehow lends any credence, 喉仏 refers to Adam's Apple (anatomically) and its second kanji comprises of the combination for i + mu

2. 仏 can be used to signify the country France

3. 仏 can mean Buddha as in an enlightened being, as well as a deceased person. It could be possible that Imu is 'enlightened' and has realized sth abt the world that keeps him maintaining the current order of the WG as it is. Works with Rayleigh's comment about different interpretations about the 'final truth' as well

[waxen dust]

This actually helps too, good notes you got here.

One thing I would point out is that Mariejoas is based on the Château de Chambord in France so point #2 actually fits this theme of the kanji 仏 quite well

[reef solstice]

ooo that is very interesting, now im wondering if theres any particular figure in French history Imu could have been based off of

[pure raven]

Oda said that smiles where created by mixing real animals lineage factors or something right? But what about momonsukes dragon fruit? Did they get it from kiado or did they find another real Chinese dragon?

[waxen dust]

Quite possibly Marie Antoinette

[weary cliff]

Momo's fruit isn't a smile, but it was made from Kaido's lineage factor

[pure raven]

Ok

[reef solstice]

mhm, also the jois in mariejois sounds like 'joie' which means joy in french, theres defo some French or even joyboy connections here to be made

[waxen dust]

I’m onto something here for sure, there’s too many coincidences in things I am finding that could end up all connecting together

[proud tree]

chapter 240

These water jets and Vulcanism landscape reminds me of the knock up stream (chapter 229)

[vestal orbit]

knock up stream to moon arc

[waxen dust]

I was thinking that too, but not to the extent it shoots up Wano to sky. I am thinking somehow this thing will factor into nerfing Kaido and expose him to seastone. Something to that extent, which gives Luffy an advantage over Kaido

Genuinely Oda wont have Luffy beat a full strength Kaido, he’s not on that level. But, a nerfed Kaido with help from others (Yamato, Momo, maybe Marco) then yea Luffy will for sure win. So whatever the water jets/eruptions are alluding to will possibly play as a factor very soon

[proud tree]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_XIV
Louis XIV (Louis Dieudonné; 5 September 1638 – 1 September 1715), also known as Louis the Great (Louis le Grand) or the Sun King (le Roi Soleil) ☀️ , was King of France from 14 May 1643 until his death in 1715. His reign of 72 years and 110 days is the longest recorded of any monarch of a sovereign country in history ⏲️

he was called the sun king and was an absolutist ruler

It was his mother who gave Louis his belief in the absolute and divine power of his monarchical rule ~ from his Wiki article xD

[reef solstice]

The sun king 👀 👀 it seems contradictory if nika is the sun god, but thats an amazing connection regardless

[waxen dust]

Yeah you see there’s too many connections that can tie into the finale in Mariejoas

Also Marie Antoinette was the last queen of France before the French Revolution

[waxen dust]

This is at the gate of King XIV’s Versailles. Looks quite familiar in the story too, no?

Also Perospero too

Then right after Oda has Pedro make the connection between Luffy and Roger ironically enough

[ancient vault]

is this canon tho? manga

[waxen dust]

let me double check, but I am pretty sure it is

[waxen dust]

lmao yea there’s a connection

245

[queen arrow]

i mean, isn't this because it's the "I/E" sound and the "m" sound at the end or smth

[weary cliff]

That's all it is, yeah

[queen arrow]

the same "Mu" is used in Gomu Gomu, the same "I" is used in whole cake island and cipher pol

[modest skiff]

Glad I’m not the only one thinking “welp, guess I’m gonna need to just learn Japanese”

[waxen dust]

nah I am gonna have everyone do the work for me and take all the credit like the WG (jk)

[waxen dust]

Thoughts on all these connections above, they all tie into my major Theory

[modest skiff]

Got a bit of a hectic morning but I see a lot of juicy stuff up there that I need to give proper attention later

[slender flint]

Same

[modest skiff]

This is interesting. I think it is possible that there are essentially 2 sets of giants which each have sub-sets. There is definitely something interesting about the Cool brothers, since they were kept secret the whole time. The funny thing is, this may all mean Kaido is actually a runt in his race. I would enjoy learning that Kaido was considered small and weak his whole life and that is why he tried to become strong. But since we don't see many other Onis, and I think Yamato's mother is also an Oni, they must be somwhere...hmmm...I wonder if Yamato's mom died in a way that shaped Kaido's perspectives

[surreal oriole]

We were all speculating about the lunarians a week ago and now were on the Oni race lol oda is giving us alot to talk about. Been wondering Bout yamatos mom aswell and how she's going to tie into this.. or if she is even going too

[modest skiff]

I definitely think trees end up being a big thing in the story. One of my theories on the overall creation of the One Piece planet is that seeds birth planets as a whole, meaning the entire planet was originally a seed. I think its possible Eve is the basis of the whole planet. The only thing that makes this difficult is the fact that we also know of other really amazing trees. I think Elbaf has a giant tree that goes into the sky island realm and that a large part of Elbaf actually exists in the clouds on this tree.

There's a couple possibilities I see:

1. The sun is a source of seeds and the planets in the solar system are from seeds from the sun

2. Someone, perhaps the AK, planted some really amazing seeds that turned into the Elbaf home, Eve, the special wood used to make the Sunny and Roger's ship

[modest skiff]

Right now if we assume there is an adam tree and an eve tree, I think the Adam tree is a big part of why Elbaf is considered so powerful, beyond the fact that they are a race of giants. I think The CDs are trying to utilize the Eve tree and failing. Elbaf is able to benefit from their tree in some way.

[modest skiff]

This fits well with my theory that there is still a 3rd sea for us to discover, the sea UNDER the blue sea

[pure raven]

i was talking in vc about my theory that the way momo is gonna hold onigashima up is by flying the island and dropping it onto the volcano

[modest skiff]

I actually think they will use the Volcano to kill Kaido

[waxen dust]

Mt. Fiji

yeah that makes sense, but I would like the Oni skull to land in the Flower Capital so they can build a giant strawhat for it at the end of the arc

[pure raven]

lol big headcannon time

[modest skiff]

Looks like you have the same idea, BrotherE, reading above. I was thinking they would essentially try to punch Kaido into the blast of the volcano such that he gets vaporized by the beam-like nature of the super volcano. But I'm not really sure how that would actually happen so it feels shaky/shitty

[pure raven]

my theory is onigashima is gonna be falling onto the flower capitol and momo will have to lift the island and drop it onto the volcano. Perhaps kaido gets dropped into the volcano and shut in by onigashima

[waxen dust]

yeah it feels too good to be true and the island ends up landing in the Flower Capital. One thing that gives the theory strong substance is the repetitive notion that “Wano is Special”

[modest skiff]

Yeah I think Wano is special because of the volcano, the source of all seastone and the birth place of the white sea

[waxen dust]

oh no, I think Moria comes at the end and steals his shadow. BUT it becomes morning and Kaido dies by evaporating from the dawn as he thinks about Luffy. Also prevents Moria from keeping the shadow

[pure raven]

we always hear that "wano is special" and even in this chapter kaido saying "im staying in wano because its wano" but we dont even know the reason why wano is important aside from that it has void century imlications

[waxen dust]

yeah there seems to be major significance both historically and geographically about Wano

[surreal oriole]

Was it you @modest skiff that had the theory that Wano was built as like a safe haven for refugees escaping the war between the CDs and AK. And that wano was constructed by the ancient giants that could move islands

[modest skiff]

Yeah that was me

[surreal oriole]

I am on board with that currently, but wasnt onigashima mention to not be originally in wano? Or was it that it was just named something different

[waxen dust]

Both

[surreal oriole]

Ah okay

[waxen dust]

I don’t know if Elbaf has anything to do with the Adam Tree. But I Think Yggdrasil will be the main focus of a tree in that island.

[modest skiff]

I think the Onis were a part of the alliance of 8 and that one of the Onis basically gave their life transporting islands, and once they brought the final island, they died, and the island is their head

I think that is why Kaido has the symbol of 8 on his flag

[waxen dust]

no, but Kaido said they would have to rebuilt the head last chapter. Basically implying it’s man made. So it can’t be the actual Oni’s head, at least as of now

[surreal oriole]

Was he talking about the head itself or just his castle inside of it?

[modest skiff]

If not an actual head, perhaps built to appreciate the sacrifice of those who transported. But I still think it’s a real skull. They are just gonna fix it up

[waxen dust]

I think he was referring to the entire thing as a whole, maybe it could’ve meant the interior

[waxen dust]

I hope it’s the actual skull, I think that will all depend on the original name of the island

[ancient vault]

thats my theory. Did you ever read my kaido theory?

I think Oars had san juans wolf and managed to get this big. But since we've seen oars corpse with moria it means this skull cant be his. I think Kaido after learning about oars and his continent puller legend commissioned the guy who built his castle to forge a mountain into this giant skull in honor of oars hes also recreating the country Oars once built. Thats why he gathored the numbers, fake ancient giants. Hes trying to make it a home of onis and ogres which ancient giants kind of also are. Theyre just the giant version of that

[modest skiff]

I’m assuming this isn’t you accusing me of stealing your theory or something lol, but I also thought that as well basically the moment I saw the skull

[kindred blaze]

[modest skiff]

When I was dm’ing with BrotherE he mentioned you had a similar theory to mine regarding the skull @ancient vault

[kindred blaze]

this shows that what ever oda creates colored or non colored is genius.

[waxen dust]

Lmao you both unironically told me the same theory 😂
You should collab on it or share notes with each other, just better hope you guys don’t end up wrong @modest skiff @ancient vault

[light onyx]

Imagine thinking kaido is katakuris dad

[kindred blaze]

if anyone wants to know what this means translate it or tell me i want to know ゾロはサンジに等しいとサンジはゾロに等しいと誰がゾロが強いと言うかは関係ありませんそれは間違っています

[kindred blaze]

NANI?

thats well a bit off

[waxen dust]

we should move this discussion to #manga

[kindred blaze]

yea

[next swan]

Anybody got any good theories about the lunarians? King’s race?

[vestal rampart]

nah

[pure raven]

now i know why shanks is keeping devil fruits
hes keeping the rare ones because the world government is searching for them

[humble hatch]

blackbeard is working with vega punk

[neon shoal]

guessing cp0 finally figure out vegapunks artifical devil fruit not failure

[neon shoal]

Im guessing the reason why one piece need momo crash down to castle because if momo crash down to castle, cp0 would immediately notice momo “perfect” devil fruit power. If momo fly towards top of castle to fighr kaido without crash down castle, cp0 can’t able see momo perfect devil fruit.
Honestly i think something crucial happen later after cp0 notices momo “perfect” devil fruit

[weak arrow]

It’s a good way to let the alliance know Luffy is alive and well without it being annoying. And yes also shows off the fruit to CP0

[dusky acorn]

Yeah, they'll also be quite surprised it still exists and didn't get destroyed in the Punk Hazard explosion after all too. I wonder why we didn't get their reaction in the last chapter already

[neon shoal]

I know right

[dusky acorn]

At this point the reaction will either be a retroactive one where they're sort of reflecting on the revelation in a calmer state of mind as opposed to if it was in the moment, or Oda's really waiting for Momo to do something huge and CP0 then react to that

If Momo does something big with the fruit besides just flying as he did just now, it'd push it more in the successful direction for them to react on behalf of that as well

[rancid marsh]

Any interesting theories people?

[reef solstice]

Im definitely inclined to believe vegapunk isnt loyal to the WG now

Im not sure if i remember correctly but he criticized caesars research which idk feels like exactly what the WG would want (or at the very least wouldnt mind) and maybe vegapunk wasnt concerned about its side effects as much as it being misused by the WG

[surreal oriole]

I think he's going to stop onigashima from falling onto the flower capital after Kaidos defeat. That might be the big thing ur mentioning

[vestal orbit]

the pinned theories are all really interesting

[rancid marsh]

Ty

[vestal orbit]

yw

[ancient vault]

lmaooo no ofc not. Im saying I included the same idea in my big kaido theory

i can dm you my theory tomorrow im about to go to bed and im to tired now

[modest skiff]

Ok good ❤️❤️❤️ I remember some people getting mad about youtubers stealing ideas so just wanted to make sure 🙂

[pure raven]

What’s the main theory about Edward weevil

[craggy pumice]

idk

but my theory is that Bakkins has a deal with BB which makes Weevil work for him without even realizing, this will lead to him being an enemy first, and then realizing that he worked for BB so he gets a big character moment where he learns that he shouldnt let himself be manipulated by Bakkins and do what he wants, becoming an ally against BB

[pure raven]

There’s some evidence behind that

Not bad

[craggy pumice]

thanks

[heady parrot]

the void century is probably just a 100 year period where the celestial dragons waged war on the races that were a danger to them in the world to complete genocide. 100 years sounds like a fair amount of time to kill nearly every ancient giant, lunarian, three eyed tribe, oni, etc etc that posed some sort of danger to them. the void century is a giant coverup of mass worldwide genocide carried out by the ancestors of the celestial dragons.

blackbeard is probably also a member of some lost race that we’ll learn about later. they were probably destroyed by the world government due to their ability to eat up to 3 devil fruits or maybe some other hidden ability we don’t know about yet.

there will be a continuing theme of ancestry as one piece progresses towards its end because a lot of the wills that are being inherited are often (but not always as shown in special or inspiring cases) passed down from generations of tribes, kingdoms, and clans of people and the important families that made up them.

groups that have a strong “will” to destroy the gods (celestial dragons) due to the genocide they carried out on them. i wouldn’t be surprised if luffy is also part of one of those races and thus related to an individual from the void century who carries a strong will to bring about a world of true freedom, or “the dawn”.

[hard pagoda]

i fuck with this

[heady parrot]

i think we’ll get a big twist on luffys ancestry during a void century info dump or flashback sequence. it could be the obvious like joyboy but we have no reason to believe joyboy could conjure fire (lunarian do though) and some evidence points to him potentially having been a giant or ancient giant. luffy could potentially inherit the wills of multiple races but i think oda would keep it simple and with the fire connection i think it’d be cool if luffy was potentially part human part lunarian.

[supple anchor]

i think BB's ability to eat multiple fruits has gotta be related to the yami yami no mi. if he could have always ate three he could have ate some other fruits before the yami and it could have made him stronger in the interim

[heady parrot]

only thing that i think discredits this is marcos statement but i’ll be fair that it was a vague statement. still, i think it’s deeper than just the yami yami and oda is hiding some really late game stuff. maybe the yami yami is part of it but a normal human with the yami yami couldn’t do it. maybe there’s something else to it.

[gentle lily]

I know this was from a week ago but this basically has to confirm that either roger hadnt been the first to explore the grand line, or there was another person with roger's will (like nolan)

[supple anchor]

yeah you could definitely be right. i do think the key to it is the yami cause BB did not make a single move or gain any notoriety until he had the opportunity to get it. He might have some knowledge that no one else does about the yami and the way that it can be used to its fullest or it might be connected to his strange body. It also being a unique logia plays into my theory as well

[heady parrot]

yeah this is what i think. if his strange body allowed him to have more fruits on its own then he could’ve been a huge player waaay earlier. maybe he needs both his strange body and the yami yami to handle multiple devil fruits. maybe he knows about this because he’s privy to some knowledge, maybe knowledge connected to xebec and gods valley. maybe marco is also privy to this knowledge about the events of god valley and is why he is the only one who knows why blackbeard can do this.

[modest skiff]

Marco expressed almost zero confidence in his spitball theory. He basically said “maybe cuz his body is weird idk XD”

[heady parrot]

that’s not at all what he said tho. that’s just your headcanon. literally no reason for oda to draw that panel if it’s just marco spitballing.

[modest skiff]

To me the Yami makes the most sense because it’s the only known method of eliminating devil fruit powers. That’s like one of the main functions of the Yami, deactivating powers. The idea of the Yami allowing for a user to suppress their own devil fruits makes more sense to me than anything else I’ve read

The only other thing that I think makes any sense is 3 souls. Since a teapot and a sword can have a devil fruit, and we know items that are loved essentially grow a soul, 3 souls might make sense. But stuff like 3 stomachs etc make zero sense so long as a teapot can use a fruit

[heady parrot]

like i said i think there’s some truth to what you’re saying because it wouldn’t make any sense for blackbeard to wait so long to get the yami specifically otherwise. he could’ve been a huge threat way earlier on. but i just think there’s more to it and it’s in conjunction with his “special” body.

[gentle lily]

wait shit that painting in the St. Briss is a plot hole cause laboon wasnt there 200 years ago

[modest skiff]

I think Marco knows BB had a special body and that panel was to confirm to us that BB has a special body. And it was also to show us even people pretty deep “in the know” have no idea how someone could use 3 fruits. That panel still serves a purpose without explaining why he can use 3 fruits

[heady parrot]

time will tell

[modest skiff]

I agree with this. I think the reason we see persistent imagery of 8 is that there was once a group of 8 races that were wiped out, including BB’s race and Kaido’s oni race. That’s why they both have flags with 8

[quick phoenix]

um . i was thinking of dragon dragon fruit

kaido and momo have common devil fruit

[vestal orbit]

more like kaido has the dragon fruit and momo has the kaido fruit

[quick phoenix]

am i right? or they both diff

and i just wonder the rules of devil fruit

when the person who aquired dev fruit powers died example ace.

the dev fruit will randomly appear in random world , by converting some ordinary fruit into devil fruit .

in momo and kaido's case

in main timeline which momo is a alien visitor of the timeline using time travel dev fruit

he (momo) carried the dev fruit which is existed already (within kaido)

unless the dev fruit can be duplicated or can be 2 same kind possible exist in the world of one piece

[modest skiff]

This is what I think is the total group that was wiped out by CDs in the void century @heady parrot

Alabasta (betrayed the group of 8), Shandians, Kaido race (Oni) BB race (I am guessing 3 eyed tribe), fishmen, Skypieans, Birkins, Lunarians,

[quick phoenix]

what do you think of this? like if kaido and momo died. , 2 devil fruit will reincarnated?

[amber oar]

Momo's df has nothing to do with timetravel - actually, he ate it after jumping in time.

He ate it in Punk Hazard, did you skip that part?

[heady parrot]

kaido has a mythical fish fruit koi version and momo has an actual artificially produced dragon fruit. they are practically different fruits that do the same thing.

momo’s fruit was made by vegapunk and momo ate it on punk hazard because he was hungry

[amber oar]

We don't know yet the nature of Momo's df. It was made by Vegapunk using samples from Kaido. It's not a SMILE either

[quick phoenix]

oh. f . . no didn't. but im enlightened .

[quick phoenix]

so momo's dev fruit is artificial? or real? * browsing internet

[amber oar]

And I don't think Momo is dying in OP's timeline so we'll never really see what will happen with his fruit

[amber oar]

Artificial

[heady parrot]

it’s “artificial” but it was a practically near success by vegapunk. much much better than the smiles. unlike natural devil fruits it appears that momo’s only has one form instead of 3 like most zoans and he had limited control over it for a while.

smiles were made by caesar and they’re pretty abysmal. only 1 in 10 work but everyone suffers the side effects. they only get one form, a weird hybrid with minimal control. vegapunks artificial fruit can at least get a near perfect version of the animal form. it’s even more impressive that he made a dragon fruit using samples from a user of the mythical fish fruit version koi. the koi fish part comes from a legend of a koi fish swimming up stream and being granted the form of a dragon by the gods for his strength.

[vestal orbit]

isn't it model:suiryu, not koi

wait no suiryu's that opm character

seiryu or whatever

[silk rain]

haha dw about it, im sure oda will address it if it ever comes up again

[heady parrot]

you’re right it was a carp not a koi the fish part of the fruit is referencing.

[vestal orbit]

no i mean it's model: azure dragon not model:carp

[heady parrot]

yeah i just misremembered because of the fish fish fruit and the legend part

[gentle lily]

what about the whale?

im guessing oda will just come up with something for that

[silk rain]

yeah probably but Oda dug himself in a hole with that one because he gave a specific date of when they were at the grand line

[gentle lily]

I'd like to think that he had it planned out, but 220 was from 2002 and brook/laboon wasnt revealed until 2008

inb4 laboon inherited that whale's will

[dusky acorn]

The issue with multiple fruits being a shared trait Blackbeard's hypothetical race could manifest is that even the Gorosei said they weren't in the know of anyone having historically ever eaten two fruits. If the race as a whole could manifest multiple powers, then that sounds like a logical reason as to why they'd have been wiped out by the World Government in the first place. So if that were the case, the Gorosei should have known about such a phenomenon like this, and yet they weren't.

This brings me to why I believe the further speculation you and the others were then getting at is more likely. I think it's not just Blackbeard's body that allowed him to gain another power, or just the fruit, but both in conjunction. It not being tied to just any one aspect of his person that allows him to do this, but multiple pieces Blackbeard has carefully laid together fits more with it being a priorly completely unprecedented circumstance

[supple anchor]

yeah thats a good way to think about. it also ties into the "fate" aspect of BB and his crew. He may have known that his body was different and that the yami yami no mi was necessary to maximize its abilities and once he had the opportunity to eat the fruit he felt like it was his fate to do so.

[pastel summit]

blackbeard was also privy to information that made him think or realise this was possible, so the gorosei not knowing something doesn't mean it's not true. So him being part of a "race" that could have 2 DFs could be possible, but it could just be a race unknown to the WG. Of course, it'd mean that the 2nd part of the conjecture, that the WG wiped them out is false, but the 1st part can still be valid imo.

[ancient vault]

yeah that was me who got mad. But that was because the guy copied my theory word for word

[lofty zenith]

I liked the theory which says that BB has 3 hearts

https://onepiece.fandom.com/f/p/4400000000003500631

[pure raven]

🗿

[modest skiff]

This theory doesn’t hold up because a tea pot has a devil fruit. If hearts create souls, maybe that fits, but that would be the soul, not the heart.

[tender mountain]

i honestly doubt blackbeard has multiple personalities or anything like that

[pure raven]

Im still going with the idea that theyami yami no mi is basically a dark hole devil fruit because darkness isnt really a tangible element like the other logias and the same with the swamp swamp fruit which is actually mud. Blackbeard can essentially seperate the soul of the devil fruit and the soul of the user (which are normally intertwined) temporarily while he is in contact with them. think of his powers like a black hole and if you stray too far near a black hole you enter the event horizon which is the literal point of no return. im guessing the power to nullify devilfruits is the closest thing to his event horizon without actually passing it and passing his event horizon is when your soul no longer has the will to resist it. thats why whitebeards fruit was able to be taken and added to blackbeards soul. his event horizon at the same time acts as a kind of shell to prevent him from experiencing the normal explosion death if you eat two devil fruits. his event horizon prevents anything from escaping it after its inside but he has to be careful what he absorbs into it because he cannot get rid of it and there are limitations to how many things he can absorb before the density is too much and everything inside coalesces into a single point or he explodes like normal.

Think of the inside part of his devil fruit like you were cooking a meal. you can add a few things to make it taste just right but if you keep adding more and more and morre ingredients it eventually just becomes bland mush that is useless and no one wants to eat.

[modest skiff]

Yeah this is the gist of how I think it works as well. I think it is able to contain devil fruits such that they don’t have the opportunity to cause the explosive effect

[modest skiff]

I honestly don’t understand what makes people think the Yami theory doesn’t make sense. It seems like it’s basically just Marco’s comment. The first thing we are told about the Yami is it’s ability to remove someone’s devil fruit power. It is how BB beat the shit out of Ace, not Haki. People lose their power entirely, which is to say it is able to alter their lineage factor directly. It removes the lineage factor component of a fruit from the user.

@pure raven I think the place where our theories diverge is the mechanism of how the Yami limits explosion. My theory is that BB needs to consciously focus on wrapping each fruit in “infinite gravity”. I think that’s what he did when he showed off WB’s fruit. I think he essentially limited it to his hand. He wouldn’t have been able to use a kick with the fruit or something at that moment. I think he only had the power in his hand and he could only use the power with his hand. I think he could theoretically have as many fruits as he can juggle with his mind.

@dusky acorn had a great idea that made me start to think: what if it is BB’s body and the Yami? I think he’s right. I think since BB doesn’t need to sleep, he is able to never break focus on the Gura. Unlike other powers that break only when knocked out, I think BB only manages to not blow up by never breaking focus. I don’t think he can passively control the Gura, he needs to keep it wrapped. I think he can put the Gura in his Yami dimension, like he did all those buildings, and not need to focus on it, but I don’t think he can keep the Gura outside his body passively without focusing on it or else he blows up. But now that I think about it, maybe he really does just need to focus on it forever. Would be awesome if so

[maiden terrace]

About BB's body

Due to all the race talk lately in OP, because of all the lunarians and oni things, BB could also have been born with some special body that makes him able to eat two fruits.

[pure raven]

is BB putting a blanket over WB in the manga too?

[limpid sequoia]

yes

[pure raven]

Thats pretty suspicous. I think its both: the fruit and his body

in the sense that he has a split persona that even changes his appearance (which he hides from anyone)

[patent summit]

After someone dies who ate a DF. The DF will spawn to the latest fruit iirc?

[limpid sequoia]

I assume each df has a certain fruit type that it has to be like Kaku's fruit was a banana, so it would have to be reincarnated in a banana, otherwise the df encyclopedia couldn't really exist. But it does also seem to be proximity based as we saw in Punk Hazard with the salamander

[celest mica]

so the df will get reincarnated in the nearest fruit?

[pure raven]

If the reason he has 2 devil fruits is double personality I’d be disappointed

[celest mica]

any one can eat 2 devil fruits but everyone is scared to get a second curse on top of the ocean curse

[pure raven]

I like the idea that Blackbeard was born with 3 stomach chambers like a hippo because a hippo is his animal counterpart. And so the 3 stomachs allowed for 3 or two devil fruits

Like I was thinking maybe have a hippo devil fruit but then a cow devil fruit would be really op because it would have 4 stomachs

[pure raven]

i dont like that. How come objects can be combined with DF? They have no stomachs. But they have „souls“ as Zoro said

The only objects with devil fruits shown so far have been zoans and I think that’s because zoan animals can have a conscience of themselves.

[pure raven]

so you say your self its the concsiousness

stomach thing makes no sense

Smile devil fruit users have their animal have a mind of their own

[pure raven]

Idk. Didn’t vegapunk figure out the inanimate objects having devil fruits?

Maybe vegapunk had to give these items artificial stomachs?

I wonder if Franky will combine some of his gear with an zoan?

Like a rhino zoan

doesnt make sense as I said

Cows have 4 stomachs, but the food is processed trough all of them

and we know the effects of DF take place after the bite already

[sturdy hound]

!theories @pure raven

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using #manga-theories for any joke theories you may have. This channel is strictly for serious discussion on the realm of possibilities one truly believes in, and can explain in a manner that conveys why. Please consider this a general warning.

[pure raven]

Sorry

We’ve seen a parallel in past and pre time skip one piece.

Like dressrossa alabasta and wano thriller bark

Whole cake like enies lobby

Do you’s think elbaf will be like sabody?

[shy cedar]

There's no break this week right?

[cursive wind]

There is

[shy cedar]

Oh there is, thanks

[snow grove]

now momo needs to learn how to read and write pongliphes but no one can do that

[sturdy hound]

he doesnt really have to. i assume that by the end of the series there will no longer be a need for poneglyphs anyway

only reasons i could see him learning it for are 1- just to preserve the language, or 2- to make new poneglyhps

not sure why either of those scenarios would be importat

[quaint haven]

Right now we assume eating 2 devil fruits kills you? What if that's actually a lie

Have we seen any evidence it's actually harmful

[snow grove]

i think luffy will destroy them

[amber oar]

Highly doubt. The Five Elders discussed Teach was a first in history.

[snow grove]

what if we split a DF and we eat it at the same time?

[quaint haven]

But how far back does their records actually go? Obviously quite far but not Tokki far

An he can't be the first... he must of known how to do it from someone who has sonehow

[amber oar]

Good lord, not every thing established in universe has to be a secret lie hidden for ages. There's zero reason to retcon that shit now. It's what makes Teach special.

[quaint haven]

It does make him unique, but like I say he's been planning this for a long time. He must of known he could eat 2 an how. He must if learnt that knowledge somewhere

[amber oar]

He's special, he has an abnormal body. Marco knew it, he was his doctor. And it's "must have"

[snow grove]

what 's the meaning of the three heads in his flag

[quaint haven]

@amber oar alright don't get ur knickers in a twist English teacher 😂 😂 😂 pathetic

@snow grove not sure, but seems be common on non human characters

[snow grove]

he got three souls

[amber oar]

We don't know yet what's going on with Teach. Aside from having an abnormal body and never sleeping. Anything else is headcanon

[runic pawn]

||lunarians is the right hand nation of the great kingdom so there for it got wipe out by the nolbe||

[teal nymph]

is this a fact or ur theory ?

[south plinth]

no one ever gonna question about these creatures on the map?

[jovial rivet]

What if jaya was an actual skull of something

[ancient vault]

I do this every day in here

we already know what the birds are

I suspect the other ones to be ogres/onis

[runic pawn]

my theory maybe fact

[drifting cargo]

This youtube comment makes me sad...

Now that i think about it, Vivi was one of Im’s targets so maybe that could force her to leave her princess position and join the crew…
She will eat kumas fruit because kuma will die, and escape by repelling herself to wano. Thus completing the numbered fruits in the crew (every name of the nakama fruits corresponds to numbers from 1 to 10) and nine is missing, kumas fruit corresponds to number 9..

[vestal rampart]

anyone have any theories on King's race? please ping me in one

[raw palm]

It may be ancient race related to the ancient kingdom or the lore of The Gods race that once resided above the Red Line

[snow grove]

why kaido lost interest in ancient weapons ?

[amber oar]

Two generic birds, a beheaded head, a sea king, and... oh

[quiet gate]

will the pirates meet dr. vegapunk?

[weary cliff]

Eventually

[crystal mist]

Can you explain the numbered fruits

[pure raven]

Why does he need an ancient weapon when he’s kaido

[lapis prairie]

That's a common practice of old maps

IT doesn't mean anything. That said, there are clearly giant things in the water - the thing after Thriller Bark

[ancient vault]

How does it not mean anything

[snow grove]

vegapunk must be a maniac freak scientist who enjoyed experimenting with things one humains for the sake of WG

[lapis prairie]

The images on the map. It's common practice for old map makers to draw in fantastical images

[ancient vault]

We already know the giant birds represent the giant south birds on skypiea. And in the same chapter we get talks about giant beasts

The golden city was actually real too

[lapis prairie]

Right, still can't rely on it

[ancient vault]

And I think the "dragon" is just a seaking or so. Or maybe its another giant serpent

[lapis prairie]

It's a sky island, so it wouldn't be a sea king

[pure raven]

heres an old map of scandanavia. does that mean all these sea monsters are real just because they are on a map from the 1500s?

[pure raven]

It wasnt originally a sky island it was sent there by the knockupstream

[modest skiff]

Not sure it makes sense to cite a 1500 IRL map when discussing an anime

[pure raven]

its just an example of what oda was trying to imitate with his map drawings.

Its just flavor to the maps they dont really mean anything when he draws a bird or a seaking on it

[waxen dust]

[lapis prairie]

The image there is when it's a sky island

[ancient vault]

thats such a bad argument

[waxen dust]

They were all real the world was once Jurassic Park

[pure raven]

Im just saying i think you guys are trying to turn things that mean nothign in reality into something huge.

[lapis prairie]

It's from the ship that fell from the sky. If it was the original island then the entire island would be there and we wouldn't need the bottom map to fill in the entire island

[ancient vault]

pretty sure its not

[lapis prairie]

It 100% is.

If it's a map from Noland or before it would've been the entire island on the map

[pure raven]

https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/St._Briss

[lapis prairie]

Why did you link that?

[pure raven]

its the ship that fell from skypiea and the strawhats investigate

[lapis prairie]

Yes, I'm wondering what it adds

[waxen dust]

maybe the crew are gonna be important later on

[pure raven]

its the ship where the map came from

[lapis prairie]

yes.

[waxen dust]

if this ship becomes relevant again it will likely be due to the woman picture and the skull found on the ship’s debris

[lapis prairie]

I don't see why it would be. If anything, all of this is irrelevant

[pure raven]

one of the straw hats said the map was hundreds of years old atelast didnt they

[waxen dust]

Jugol (another member on here) is working on the data in the vivre card books he found that these two have vivre card numbers, but have not be documented yet which tells us that Oda may likely go into detail once again later in the story

[lapis prairie]

400 in that linked image

[pure raven]

noland sailed to shandora 400 years ago

400 years is a long time youd think the sea was a lot less explored

[lapis prairie]

That't neat. Do you have a link?

[ancient vault]

#manga-theories message

[waxen dust]

@ancient vault I picked up Volume 100 yesterday, couldn’t wait for Viz and their slow ass translations

[gloomy carbon]

That's super neat

[ancient vault]

this is the link.

Secondly. Your argument about maps being unimportant followsthe same structure as "myths are fake in real life so they should be in OP too". Using old real maps and comparing to an anime as an argument for this makes no sense.

[ancient vault]

Thats sick. Where did u get it from?

[lapis prairie]

I argue that willfully ignoring a very common trope to make an argument makes no sense

[ancient vault]

In an anime

[lapis prairie]

Anything

[waxen dust]

NYC, we have a store exclusively with Japanese imported manga. Thinking about going back tomorrow and getting a second copy

[ancient vault]

Also. I already explained to you that the giant south birds are depicted in the map

[lapis prairie]

Yes they are. Good job.

Sort of like that Scandinavian map having deer in it, and also mythical lions

[ancient vault]

Map is fake but half of the map is already true

Giant birds are not normal tho

unlike deers

[lapis prairie]

Not deer that size in relation to the map

If they were depicting other crazy things you'd expect the snake to be there

[ancient vault]

do we lnow when it got this big? it also had the golden city which is a crazy thing

[lapis prairie]

This is the stupidest conversation I've had in a while

[ancient vault]

lmfao
Argueing that a 1500 map means anything in relation to a fantasy manga that is filled with magical creatures

[lapis prairie]

It's getting worse

Take it easy

[ancient vault]

Dont really see your point in doubting another giant race when we got a race that can control fire for some reason.
Especially when we had talks about giant beasts in the same chapter.
Kinda funny how jaya/skypiea is exactly about people doubting myths and instantly denying them

[modest skiff]

When I watched the skypiea arc, my thought coming out of it was "Well apparently we need to take seemingly mythological stories/maps very seriously". Most of the creatures on the Jaya map ended up being real. I see no reason to assume the remaining ones aren't real. And since one of them is a dragon, and Yamato was like "Oh SHIT, pink dragon!!", I can't help but wonder if that dragon looking thing is a dragon and not a seaking

[pure raven]

https://www.reddit.com/r/GrandLineReview/comments/phnkxx/the_true_main_inspiration_for_gorosei_imsama/

I think luffy is a pirate

[pine delta]

just had a thoght that oda could later make canon: the reason garp is in the east blue to grab coby/helmeppo/morgan is because he just defeated shiki's plan (as strong world isnt canon but the setup to it is)

[pure raven]

Sorry if you are not caught up

[modest skiff]

!theories @pure raven

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[ancient vault]

Possible. I wouldnt be against it

[pine delta]

garp beating shiki and then having first impressions with coby would be a neat side story for oda to do. maybe after he finishes the series. just fleshing out the world with chapters whenever he wants to have fun drawing

[modest skiff]

How does Shiki relate to Coby/Helmeppo/Morgan? Just by existing in the East Blue?

[ancient vault]

but that would make news. Id like if garp was just looking for Shiki who ended up not showing up

[pine delta]

yeah just as a way of addressing shiki with a plan involving east blue that never avtually happened in canon and why garp was in the east blue (calmest sea)

could say the world government covered it up, which is not a stretch whatsover

"dont want to cause a panic a rocks pirate was plotting to destroy the entire east blue"

[ancient vault]

true. He disappeared for 20 years. No need to give him another spot light after defeating him

[pine delta]

that also retroactively makes strong world a fun "what if?" movie where if garp didnt beat shiki, luffy would

[ancient vault]

His case of hiding for more than 20 years doesnt help him at all

Its pretty easy to cover up what was forgotten already

[pine delta]

plus he was kinda chilling on the sky islands. literally out of sight and mind

[cosmic crown]

We kind of take Vegapunk as the guy who probably apathetic to any faction he works for, we think he just strives to make new things for the sake of science

[pine delta]

i can see that. he did have an entire massive lab dedicated to cultural inventions like heating

[cosmic crown]

But what if he strives for something more and has bigger plans behind all his ingenuity?

[pine delta]

he seems like a cool guy. but we know so little about him (even after 10+ years!) that oda could literally do anything with him: he was part of rocks, he IS rocks, hes from the void century, hes just a random dude, etc

[cosmic crown]

Like he knows the deeper lore of the world of OP, perhaps even predating the void century and he strives to recreate their legacy in some way shape or form. The current advancements or commissions to the WG are just stepping stones to what he actually wants to achieve. I could see Oda making him that kind of a character

[pine delta]

if he looks like wanze im gonna flip out

[modest skiff]

I really don't think Shiki got owned by Garp. He was comfortably out of sight by the looks of it. Garp would essentially need to travel around the world looking for Shiki. I don't think he had any leads. And there are plenty of pressing issues for Garp to deal with. Once Shiki ran away, probably safe to just leave it as is

[pine delta]

my theory is more of a headcanon that oda might revisit after one piece ends; ties a few details together nicely while simultaneously not really changing or doing anything to the series.

[waxen light]

[pure raven]

was it ever explained why monet had wings even though she was a logia? or were her wings just snow?

i havent watched punk hazard in years

[queen arrow]

Law operated her

she not only had wings but she had bird legs, i guess she really just wanted to be a bird woman because unlike the centaur prisoners she didn't have any problems with her limbs

[cyan berry]

Law gave animal parts to most of Ceasars guys

Monet included

[drowsy marsh]

This theory took a wild turn

[crystal mist]

whats the current mainstream theory on imu

[queen arrow]

what kind of theory

in any case i think that the main ones overall are that they are ageless because of the ope ope no mi and that they killed joyboy 800 years ago

[crystal mist]

dfq

[crystal mist]

identity or anything of sorts

also the giant straw hat

[queen arrow]

i mean i think currently most people think that Imu is just Imu the king of the world

[queen arrow]

most people think it belonged to joyboy

[tribal gull]

Then why is the straw hat so big, I don’t think joyboy was a giant?

[queen arrow]

why not

[crystal mist]

giant w/ gum gum fruit broken

[queen arrow]

we know that there are giants that are Ds like Saul so Joyboy could have been a giant

[crystal mist]

or just big

luffy's hat is normal sized but it'd look terribly small next to whitebeard

so if joyboy was at least as big as maybe wb/kaido than the size would make sense?

[queen arrow]

mayhaps

[tawdry bramble]

I like that Chad joyboy image that goes around

Though I’d kinda prefer him to be a goofball instead of an insane looking badass

[ancient vault]

You really think Oda is gonna make him look badass?

[crystal mist]

mean this?

[ionic plinth]

I think he’ll look like Luffy,

[round cargo]

thats garp with the strawhat

[crystal mist]

found it online have no objections

[ancient vault]

[errant nova]

Garp originally did have the straw hat in V2 of the romance dawn one shot. Maybe they really are related to Joyboy

[rancid marsh]

I saw that but it wasnt canno

[errant nova]

I mean yeah it’s a one shot before the series started so by definition I could see how it’s not cannon. Garp’s also the one who stole the gumo gumo fruit in that story. But it does reveal a train of thought, esp around the straw hat, which has remained a key element in through the inception of the series into its obviously its publishing.

[oblique depot]

i think a 4th haki

[hearty mountain]

We will found that Kaido was a pony turned into demon by humans who want to fight off against the world government

[modest skiff]

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[light onyx]

Interesting explain more

So he’s a new race from a lab experiment ?

Would explain why we haven’t seen anyone else like him other than Yamato

And if he’s a war machine it would also explain why he’s so hellbent on fighting and wars

[hearty mountain]

Yea, like he is Made out of objects. That's why he is not as big as the ogre but looks like them . Maybe like chopper he wasn't accepted by anyone

[light onyx]

Probably

Great theory !

[heady parrot]

colbys gonna get a powerup or reveal one he has already acquired soon and when it comes time for luffy to fight blackbeard at full strength, colby and luffy will team up and defeat him together to mirror garp and roger defeating xebec. i think unlike that event, though, Colby won’t allow the world government to take credit and this could honestly lead to some sort of dramatic trigger (mirroring akainu nearly killing colby for his insubordination at marineford with maybe SWORD betraying the world government and causing a fracture in their forces) to the final war directly following some sort of battle with blackbeard after discovering the one piece.

word soup but it’s just a random idea i had when thinking about the xebec flashback

[pure raven]

Why?

[pure raven]

https://www.reddit.com/r/GrandLineReview/comments/nr9gz3/warning_mihawk_indeed_is_the_final_villain/

I have other evidences to support Mihawk being Imsama too. 👽

[pure raven]

Sanji’s gene Awakening will be similar to that of the Human Torch

[sacred hawk]

What if the Tobiroppo was originally established with the intent of Yamato being their leader? So that Kaido could groom her into his successor with the Tobiroppo going on to become the next generation of All-Stars.

But since Yamato wanted nothing to do with the crew, Kaido just ended up scrapping that idea and giving the empty seat to Drake instead.

[visual merlin]

It's not like there'd be any plot holes if that were the case but is there any basis for the idea?

[sacred hawk]

Mostly the age range of the Tobiroppo.

[visual merlin]

what about it?

[sacred hawk]

The age range is early 20s to mid 30s, which Yamato lies in the middle. So it would be easy to imagine her as a possible leader if she were a member.

Plus, Kaido is constantly trying to either scare her into getting in line, or opening up positions for her to fill in his crew, which makes me think Kaido may have done something like this in the past

[hollow dust]

eh i mean thats stretching hard since yamato has been "oden" since she was a kid

[sacred hawk]

He did kill Orochi specifically for Yamato to take his place

[hollow dust]

yea but that happened now

stating that he created them for yamato to lead when they were created way before is a stretch id say

[visual merlin]

I don't get how that's really a basis, if anything you'd expect the leader to be older than the rest of them. As for the other thing he seems pretty set on her being shogun, Im not really seeing anything here, just seems like a weird reach

I mean again it'd be perfectly fine if that were the case, there's just nothing pushing that idea

[sacred hawk]

It's not really a strong basis, but I think it's a cool idea.

Also, despite her idolizing Oden, he does seem to be genuinely trying to bring her over to his side

[wooden condor]

garp with rayleigh hair with straw hat

[cerulean nova]

this is been going on for some time, why do you think 🤯

[grand walrus]

joy boy should be skinny and young looking

[grand walrus]

oda trying to draw a badass

[grizzled fog]

They both have hair. That’s…that’s it

[ember trench]

Sanji becomes the silver surfer

That Garp and Mihawk thing was probably made as a meme and people still treat it seriously

Fuck it Monkey D. Mihawk

[pure raven]

Ok hear me out

[compact glade]

Hair, dude that's crazy

[dusky acorn]

Are you trying to say that this specific Gorosei is meant to be Kozaburo? (Koushiro's father) Or just another samurai generally from Wano

[compact glade]

Maybe related to him?

[cerulean nova]

he uses swords so he must be from Wano logic

[reef solstice]

theres a good theory that that gorosei member's sword is shodai kitetsu

and the kitetsu swords are from wano

if we're theorizing that he's from wano, a good point that could be brought up is how the gorosei did not seem to have aged since robins flashback, so ig he could have had this sword for centuries potentially

im ngl, just in general the fact that the gorosei or at least some members of it seem to be fighters is very interesting as contrasted with the other CDs

[halcyon talon]

ive seen this before, im gonna need convincing that it isn't the shodai kitetsu at this point

[reef solstice]

definitely

i wonder how deep we can theorize about his potential connections to wano

it could be that the shodai kitetsu was war spoils

but if he is from wano...

[sand robin]

there are theory that sanji get injection from king tribe DNA when he infant, that the reason he can flame up his foot

[pastel summit]

Yeah, could be possible. At the very least, I think it's pretty likely Sanji's genes have successfully been tampered with, unlike what we were meant to believe with the Sora stuff. Just not sure in what capacity.

[crude estuary]

I hope whatever power up he gets, is enough so that he doesn't have to rely on the suit. Not a big fan of it

[pastel summit]

Could be, but I think he will become more like his brothers, but with full range of emotions, and better baseline body as well. So the suit will still enhance him further, but I think he might develop and exoskeleton as well.

[raw palm]

what if sanji is dying of lung cancer

[mild oak]

sanji said he feels different after using raid suit what if like his genes were tampered with but they were dormant till now and when he used raid suit they are getting active cuz he is trying his best and giving it his all therefore that dormant genes /powers are coming back

[dull pumice]

Only everyone is saying that

[runic osprey]

The genes started waking up after he pushed his leg skills now he can turn his leg on fire the raid suit will help fully awaken it seems like sanji wasnt a failed experiment after all

[mild oak]

yeah and the meds his mother took just delayed it so he can go properly with emotions

[torn mountain]

So ia it possible that Sanji's line about "i feel weird after using Germa suit few.times" wasnt him being weaker because of it. It was germa tech parts/powers awaking in him?

[runic osprey]

He said he was feeling strange and when zoro asked if he was gonna drag him down sanji responded thats not what he meant.

[pure raven]

Here's a theory on Red-Line that I believe no one else had:

If you look at the word 'pangea', it basically has a geogrophical history behind it:

A former “supercontinent” on the Earth. In the distant past a large landmass, Pangaea, included all the present continents, which broke up and drifted apart.

---

So in One Piece, rather than compressing all the islands into one, it was already present as one in the beginning. Until it got seperated thanks to the power of the Ancient Weapons used by the people in the past, which ultimately led to the remaining portion known today as the Red Line.

Perhaps, the people responsible for this majestic feat, were the Lunarians or the Ancient Giants. Thus, they being "Ancient".

For this supercontinent to be seperated, it would make sense for the remaining portion to be rusty red. Why?

"In rocks, it is little grains of minerals like hematite and magnetite that have iron in them. Those minerals experience oxidation and become rust, turning the rocks red." ~ livescience.com

"The bright rust color Mars is known for is due to iron-rich minerals in its regolith — the loose dust and rock covering its surface. The soil of Earth is a kind of regolith, too, albeit one loaded with organic content. According to NASA, the iron minerals oxidize, or rust, causing the soil to look red.

The Red Planet is home to both the highest mountain and the deepest, longest valley in the solar system. Olympus Mons is roughly 17 miles (27 kilometers) high, about three times as tall as Mount Everest.."
space.com

Olympus Mons would be the inspiration for ODA to draw the Red Line due to its height and it being from a Red planet due to the rust. Thus, you see Red line being insanely tall & long.

The remaining portion of this supercontinent being Red would then resemble the rocks turning rusty (and reddish), as it remained stagnant while the other continents moved away due to the seperation, thus not having similar atmosphere to be able to turned rusty.

[raw palm]

Damn you wrote a while essay

[waxen dust]

Good theory, I definitely can see the Red Line be caused by oxidation from a massive separation of land rather just dropped from the moon or man made. And Olympus Mons would be a nice reference to “Land of Gods” without stretching the idea too far. This is a plausible theory, my only counter is how does this explain the unbalanced weather in the One Piece world including on the Red Line as well as the existence of the Calm Belt?

[pure raven]

I would say, with regards to ANY unbalanced weather in One Piece, it certainly does have a resemblance to ours, where sometimes, the weather becomes unpredictable and illogical. A good example would be the bermuda triangle which lies countless of unexplained tragedies and phenomena that science just doesn't have an answer to.

So in the same way the strange events in Bermuda Triangle doesn't falsify the natural occurences in our own real world today, neither would the unbalanced weather disprove the existence of Red Line or the implications behind the formation of it.

If anything else, I would also say that while One Piece still requires some sort of logical explanations, it's perfectly reasonable from a fictional perspective, to alter/exaggerate certain information in the story, to be different than in our world. Weather changes in this case, would be written to be more drastic and unpredictable than in our world.

I hope that answers your question, and if it doesn't, I'll see if I can think of something else. But yea thanks for the thumbs up man! 😄

[pure raven]

I just like to think differently than others. 😂

[ancient vault]

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[sand bolt]

@wind warren I think big mom used conqueror haki to coat herself

[wind warren]

oh you can do that

[sand bolt]

Ah yes. That is the spoiler

[wind warren]

who else used it

[sand bolt]

Kaido

The reason why he is strong af

[wind warren]

does he knowingly do it or has he just trained it to the point where its always protecting him

[sand bolt]

Uh I don't know about that

I think he does it with conscious

[wind warren]

then why would he not feel anything from falling from skypiea

[cursive tree]

Isn’t it because he’s an Oni ?

[pure raven]

I personally wouldn't say he doesn't feel anything but rather such impact did not result in giving him enough damage to kill him.

[amber oar]

I mean, he did have a headache

[sand bolt]

His skin is hard. At the same time he uses haki

[wind warren]

is he?

[sand bolt]

Pls don't get spoiled anymore

[cursive tree]

Idk but it might be, there’s a lot of different races in One piece

[sand bolt]

U will stop enjoying one piece

[wind warren]

I've spoiled alot of the show already

[cursive tree]

Someone get him

[sand bolt]

U might not have any excitement if u get spoiled

[pure raven]

I would say if this was the case, then it could be ONE of the reasons why. Because not every person with a horn on their heads shares the same physical characteristics. It could be that ever since the God Valley Incident, it motivated him to train to such lengths, that gradually hardens his skin overtime.

[cursive tree]

True I think he’s size as well tells me there’s something else behind it

[sand bolt]

All we need is a flashback

[cursive tree]

Act 4 before 2022 prayge

[sand bolt]

No act 4

[wind warren]

I think the numbers are the same species as oars

[sand bolt]

Act 3 is the climax

[sand bolt]

Bruh they will explain in anime.

[wind warren]

oh yea I forgot to say I'm only up to punk hazard lmfao

[sand bolt]

Wow

[pure raven]

And perhaps the history of Wano led to Kaido discovering about Joyboy's existence. Afterall, Wano is the place that helped/assist in the creation of Poneglyphs that Joyboy had used to communicate in the past with the likes of Fishmen.

And Kaido IS related to a fish. 😂

[sand bolt]

His devil fruit is fish

[wind warren]

yea

[pure raven]

Exactly.

[sand bolt]

He is not fish lol

[pure raven]

But his devil fruit is.

So the link is somewhat there.

[sand bolt]

I feel like we need more of a flashback for Yamato and kaido then this arc will be the greatest

[waxen dust]

I actually think the opposite here, I do understand the idea of exaggeration that distinguish between fiction and reality, but I do believe the unfathomable weather is an occurrence to a disruption within the One Piece world itself. Because weather is an unpredictability, however this occurs only within the Grand Line. The other blue seas dont experience this irregularity.

Also given the idea that only thing separating the Grand Line from the Blues is the Calm Belt that is infested specifically with all the Sea Kings tells me that something isn’t normal and the natural laws in the One Piece world are dysfunctional because someone or something made it be so purposely.

I do think later in the story we’ll discover as to why weather itself is in such an array and it could tie back to whatever happened to the Pangea and the development of the Red Line

[wind warren]

damn bruh I dont have the effort to read that, how do you have the effort to come up with it then type it all out

[waxen dust]

umm that’s how you have a conversation.....

[cursive tree]

If Oda goes in this much details

In his univers then this will truly be a masterpiece

[waxen dust]

I mean Oda gave a man in a box a backstory, so I don’t see why wouldn’t he go so in depth with the lore.

[cursive tree]

I hope he’s no too pressured by time

[waxen dust]

He’s got enough time, story is not ending in 5 years. We got 6-8 left

[cursive tree]

Thats around 300 chapters I think ?

[waxen dust]

yeah, 200-300 chapters. WSJ says Oda has about 20-30 volumes left so that’s gonna take more than 5 years to release it all. I think the 5 years is in to reference AFTER Wano.

[pure raven]

We have to remember, even though such events could have been the result of an incident by a group of people or "creatures", the weather can still be unpredictable, and weirdly strange phenomena beyond the realm of logic, would still somewhat be part of nature, as bermuda triangle is to our world.

But yea, I do agree with these things being abnormal, and should rightfully be so that way as per the story goes.

And perhaps, the reason why the weather being normal in other seas could have been due to the difference amount/types of resources that exists in either parts of the world. If you look at our real world, where one of the issues being climate change, in some way or another, the things we do in life DO in fact affect the climate and the condition of the world we live in, overall. So with this, ODA could write some sort of an event caused by certain people that would lead to such abnormalities in terms of the weather/sea occurences.

So on that note, I do agree with you. 🤙

[waxen dust]

He already has in a way written a difference between Grand Line and the Blue Seas....The Magnetic Field

[pure raven]

Exactly.

[waxen dust]

yeah I am sure the magnetic field, the calm belt, and the abnormal weather all tie in together. As to what? We’ll have to see.

Also there is a Bermuda Triangle within the Grand Line, it’s where Thriller Bark was and we saw those giant silhouettes at the end of the arc. So I think this area within the Grand Line might have its own lore than the abnormally of the weather conditions and the Red Line.

[pure raven]

I like to think that certain species in the past had interacted with the Sea Kings for the purpose of gaining something out of them (which they shouldn't), and as a result, led to the magnetic field being negatively changed.

And ODA loves to foreshadow his characters so much that sometimes it takes HUNDREDS of episodes to show it. Lol. So I do very much expect for ODA to show what or rather, WHO, these identities are of those three huge Florian Triangle Shadows.

Since ODA said in 2019 that the story would end in around 4-5 years time, I would also expect there to be at least over 200-250 plus more episodes to go.

So if we take into account of the amount of episodes the final villain would appear, I'd say within a good 50 episodes. And everything else (Post & Pre-Void century) would slowly be explained simultaneously.

[pastel summit]

I was going to respond here that the magnetic fields of the islands is what contributes to the weird weather patterns, but seems like you figured it out lol.

[pure raven]

Cause flashbacks would take alot to cover.

[pure raven]

I feel like the creation of Sea Stones is also PARTLY involved in the abnormal behavior of the weather throughout certain parts of the world. But I could be wrong on this.

[pastel summit]

Well, we know it's mainly found on Wano.

that's really about it.

[waxen dust]

Well yeah I think there’s something that attributed to the magnetic field existing in the first place. That’s mainly the source of all of this haphazardness

That’s probably why Laugh Tale can’t be found like any other island since it doesn’t have a magnetic field around it and therefore was likely unaffected in whatever happened 900 years ago to all the other islands on the Grand Line

[pure raven]

What do you guys think the origins of the sea stones are? Is it made by someone or is it the result of an abnormal event/incident?

[reef solstice]

good question; i think the explanation will be that its natural after all, but I believe Wano's closed borders and fear of the outside for a very long time might have connections with why sea stone exists there - they were maybe afraid of foreign DF users/ some DF user in history that was particularly destructive?

[pastel summit]

Likely the same for Baltigo as well. It couldn't be found until Burgess went there, and BB found it via vivre card, not log pose.

[waxen dust]

I think that’s one of the biggest mysteries that doesn’t have much context clues. If I had to make a guess, I say it’s something that was purposely man made when Wano first formed and now there’s just an abundance of it. I don’t think that’s why the border is closed because people still manage to get it anyways, but I do think it was created to counter the Imu and the DFs. Almost like a limitless curse, as last ditch effort to combatively

[waxen dust]

Yeah Baltigo couldn’t be found easily either. I have heard ideas that it has something to do with Dragon manipulating the weather around the island and basically messing with the magnetic field around Baltigo. Because we see CP0 get to Baltigo after Dragon left and I don’t think BB is gonna coexist with them. So possibly once Dragon left, Baltigo was able to be located again because that disruption no longer existed.

[reef solstice]

This is really cool - the connection between pangea and the red line being a supercontinent is amazing. I could defo see that being the case. I don't know about the whole separation bit, but I wanted to know how you think drunken iron ore fits into all of this since you make a big point on iron rusting.

[pastel summit]

my idea is that baltigo and laugh tale are not natural islands of the grand line, so they don't have a unique magnetic field. but yeah, the weather thing makes a lot of sense actually lol.

[waxen dust]

Yeah as we are getting further and further into the story, I am starting to notice that when you can control the weather then you can conquer the world. Because CoC clashes effect the weather and they’re meant to demonstrate the strength of a person’s will power. Also BM has the soul fruit with elementals as her arsenal and she’s gotten pretty far herself. To me it seems like the weather is gonna play a much bigger factor at the end of the story than we initially thought

[upbeat flower]

BB being an octopus would explain a lot, his flag having 3 heads and 8 bones. octopi have 3 hearts and 8 legs. octopuses also only sleep for a minute at a time which would make it look like bb never sleeps when he actually just doesn't need to for very long. I also think devil fruits being stored in the heart i think is like a weird middle ground between spiritual and kinda scientific reasoning for where devil fruits could be stored in the body. i think it also explains why bb was able to take white beard fruit without it looking like he did anything because be had a hole in his chest which was convenient since he could just take his heart out and eat it. this would also explain how big mom got her fruit since she ate the old lady whole including her heart. the octopus part isnt my theory. i assume this theory isnt uncommon but i said it in manga and wanted to know what you guys think

[waxen dust]

Kraken, not octopus. There’s a difference, especially since Krakens have ties to pirates and Davy Jones Locker. What I like most about the theory is it explains the crossbones on his flag. I think it’s good, but I do think there’s other possibilities as well. Also Luffy already faced a Kraken before in FMI, so that might be a repetitive that I don’t think Oda would consider doing.

[upbeat flower]

oh yeah kraken could work but i thought those were squids, yeah true but what really sells me is the sleep part. the only thing i dont like about it is that it might not let him get a 3rd devil fruit which i want him to

[tidal tangle]

uh what is this kraken theory

[waxen dust]

if he has the fruit already then he’s done. He’s got 3 devil fruits.

[pure raven]

I’m not so sure about this idea because an earth worm has 5 hearts. Would someone with an earth worm zoan be OP as hell? Having 4 more devil fruits?

[upbeat flower]

well no because how would they know they could eat mutiple devil fruits

bb i assume just researched all this and figured it out

then was actually crazy enough to try it

[upbeat flower]

the first part of my post, mostly relating to explaining his sleep and flag

[tidal tangle]

this ?

[waxen dust]

I think their might be something that entails more than just number of hearts. Because pretty sure we seen some zoan that biologically is meant ti have more than one heart by now.

[upbeat flower]

yes

[tidal tangle]

its v interesting

[upbeat flower]

yes but how on earth would they know they could eat mutiple fruits

bb is confirmed to research history and has this whole thing planned out

it also shows he is crazy enough to try something like this when everyone thought it would kill you

[waxen dust]

I don’t think that’s the point, I think there’s more emphasis on Teach physiologically than his intellect. Reading the book might have given inspirations, but I think his normal body is something more complex than an average human.

[pure raven]

I still like my idea about a hippo zoan since his animal counter part is a hippo and they have 3 stomachs (stomach chambers). Allowing him to eat 2 more devil fruits.

[upbeat flower]

maybe but at that point we really cant guess anything

[pure raven]

But still I don’t think it’s a hippo zoan

[waxen dust]

well isnt that the point lol. Oda is being conspicuous on purpose

[upbeat flower]

yeahhhhh

i think its either octopus or something completely different that we couldn't have know about

[waxen dust]

Bai Ze

[upbeat flower]

i just cant get over how well it fits with the sleep thing tho

[pure raven]

I don’t think it’s a devil fruit

[upbeat flower]

unless he is like a robot or something

[waxen dust]

Hippo is too obvious and meant to be a gag. Don’t take that at face value

[pure raven]

Luffy said before going to choppers island ‘people who live in the snow never sleep’ and in the drawings of all the one piece characters as kids at the end of film z. You actually see a bit of snow by teach’s feet.

[waxen dust]

yeah we know this

[upbeat flower]

well yeah but it doesn't actually explain anything lol

[pure raven]

I don’t think it’s a gag. It fits him perfectly, ugly and seemingly harmless but very dangerous. Hippos are one of the most OP animals out there.

[upbeat flower]

just a funny call back

[waxen dust]

no it’s too obvious to be Hippo, Oda is trolling you

[pine delta]

makes no sense for him to have been hiding a devil fruit this entire time

[waxen dust]

Of course it does, he doesn’t reveal all his cards when unnecessary

[pure raven]

And it was too obvious for Kiado to be a dragon but he was

[waxen dust]

nobody guessed dragon and he’s actually a fish lol

[pure raven]

Nah I defiantly think it has to do with his body like Marco said

[pure raven]

So many people guessed dragon?

[pine delta]

unless he hid having a devil fruit while at the white beard pirates the entire time, and also simply doesnt use it ever during fights because (theres no reason for him to not use it, outside of wanting it to be a suprise?)

Makes more sense theres a detail about void century/devil fruits/haki(willpower) we just dont know about yet

[tidal tangle]

https://i.imgur.com/VxkjElD.png

[waxen dust]

nobody guessed Dragon, very few. Everyone thought he was gonna have a Ogre Devil Fruit

[tidal tangle]

so no octopuses dont sleep for like only a minute

[pine delta]

it kinda ties into my other theory why he has two fruits but im gonna try to make that its own post

[pure raven]

[pine delta]

i still remember being CONVINCED meadows was dragon or kaido

[pure raven]

Anyway I want to talk about something else

[pine delta]

is there a reasonable explanation blackbeard wouldnt use his zoan during marineford, impel down, his fight with ace, his entire time with whitebeard pirates?

[tidal tangle]

not rlly

[ancient vault]

If he has a grand plan for it or was handicapped yes. Otherwise not really cause Wb was about to kill him

[pure raven]

Can I talk about my other theory for a sec or are we still on Blackbeard?

[pine delta]

nah thats it i just want to point holes in the "its because of a df" theory

[tidal tangle]

what would hiding his df do for his grandplan

[ancient vault]

Im down to change the topic. Kind of tired of BB discussions

[pine delta]

other topic: why papugu is key to the nature of one piece

[upbeat flower]

that literally said they dont sleep for very long, he could just close his eyes every 40 minutes and he would have enough sleep

[pure raven]

One comparison I do like though is the grabbing ability that black beard has being similar to how a hippo, once it has you won’t let go of you.

[ancient vault]

Idk. Im saying if he has a grandplan that needs his potential zoan to be hidden

[upbeat flower]

why would he tell people it

[tidal tangle]

no it also said after a long quiet sleep

[upbeat flower]

if its related to how he eats multiple devil fruits

[tidal tangle]

a long sleep isnt 40 seconds

[ancient vault]

whats that

[tidal tangle]

read this

[upbeat flower]

it would still look like to some people he doesent sleep

[waxen dust]

[pure raven]

His flag doesn’t have 8 bones it has 4

[upbeat flower]

if he sleeps one night then the next he will be only sleeping for 40 seconds

[upbeat flower]

8 points

[waxen dust]

You know who else doesn’t sleep?

[ancient vault]

Honestly. I think its to naive to assume someone wouldnt notice WBs heart is missing

[tidal tangle]

yea

[upbeat flower]

how would they see

[waxen dust]

Kaido doesn’t sleep because he’s from Ringo, right @ancient vault

[ancient vault]

[upbeat flower]

its covered up

[ancient vault]

Theres a giant hole in his chest and usually docs still examine a corpse

[tidal tangle]

yea something like that would have been reported

[ancient vault]

Pretty sure you still clean the corpse up etc.

[upbeat flower]

yeah it would but why would we know that

[waxen dust]

The doctor looked at WB and Ace then said anyone want 🍩 ?

[pure raven]

I use to wonder if he somehow put the devil fruit in his ring and just ate the tremor tremor himself

[upbeat flower]

it very well could be how we find out

[pure raven]

Like we’ve seen inanimate objects have devil fruits but only ever zoans. Not sure if paramecia or logia would be possible.

[ancient vault]

Because it wouldve made news especially the gorosei wouldve known. But theyre still clueless about how BB managed to get 2 DFs

[pine delta]

papugu is kinda slept on. hes in canon a starfish that willed himself to talk, and then says that with enough will power people can do anything. already thats kinda weird even in terms of one piece but we have seen this before:

The merry.
Merry gained consciousness and talked to the crew, SAILED BY ITSeLF to SAVE THE STRAW HATS at eneies lobby, and repaired itself in skypia. inanimate objects can gain willpower to gain consciousness.

This is also seen in terms of devil fruits, and SMILE: Smile (failed devil fruits) basically graft an additional consciousness onto the user (the animal has its own free will) as its a failure. also, vegapunk combined a fruit with an inanimate object to give it consciousness (the dog bazooka). this both adds merit to devil fruits having a "will" so to speak.

Awakening devil fruits could be seen as overpowering the fruit's will and making it your own: impel down jailer beasts took over their host's will, doflamingo overpowered his fruit's will. devil fruit awakening is also very rare. however this leads into my next point:

Haki/Devil Will is a sort of tangible spirit force around the world. kinda like air? And one of the great weapons the world government used has to do with manipulating it.

Evidence for that: Luffy's gear 4 can run out of haki. you can turn blades black with haki. it clearly has a mind of its own, with the samurai inheriting oden's haki to scar kaido. hell, the will of D could be inherited haki on a worldwide scale.

[waxen dust]

it will because Shiryuu gonna make his sword into a diamond sword with Jozu’s df

[pine delta]

blackbeard could have information about the nature of devil fruits (he has a connection to rocks somehow, this could be it) that let him manipulate his own body to take on multiple "wills"

[upbeat flower]

the news wouldnt know his heart is missing, gorosei might know, no where does it say they dont know why at this point

[ancient vault]

sigh

[upbeat flower]

also now that i think of it the gorosei might have prevented the media from saying it

your reasoning for disproving it started out good now you are giving silly reasons

[pure raven]

Imagine if the thousand sunny got a devil fruit?

[waxen dust]

[pure raven]

Like freaky hooked it up with one once it developed a soul the the going merry. Especially because franky was in vegnapunks lab who was studying it.

[upbeat flower]

why have i seen this more then once lol where does this come from

[waxen dust]

Zoro gonna cut diamond 💎

[pine delta]

because fans take everything very literally

[waxen dust]

ok I am going now, good luck @ancient vault

[ancient vault]

But they dont. The gorosei literally say they dont know.
And I find it weird to assume its as easy as eating an organ.
Sure I cant prove it but I have a hard time believing that Vegapunk apparently has not tried to link it to an organ yet.

[ancient vault]

Honestly a better explanation to what happened with BM in my eyes is simply that the DF soul who was in Carmels Body just instantly merged with Big Moms body instead of looking for another fruit case.

[pure raven]

I like this

[upbeat flower]

maybe they dont know at first but once they find out about the heart maybe vegapunk researches it

[ancient vault]

That would also mean that someone who would get his heart replaced would lose his DF even tho he didnt die

[upbeat flower]

probably has but he has to find which one it is and someone with a devil fruit that has mutiple hearts which isnt common

[tidal tangle]

the dude experimented enough to merge non living things with dfs , he most definitely tried it with organs

[pure raven]

Maybe though an awakening isn’t doflamingo overcoming his devil fruit but overcoming the environment and being able to force his will (which is also the devil fruit as it’s apart of him) on it?

[pine delta]

@pure raven thanks 🙂 This is just some rough notes in my head i thought of, im slowly getting convinced this is gonna be part of a big reveal behind void century shit

[ancient vault]

why? He got enough victims he can experiment on. Its not like vegapunk is a saint.

Also how does this work with Laws fruit?

He can switch hearts. Why do the others not switch devil fruit powers?

[tidal tangle]

debunked

[pure raven]

I like the theory that one piece is basically Davy Jones locker. The other side and that the straw hats will have to “die” to go to raftel.

Not actually die though

[pure raven]

I think the 3 hearts means not that having a devil fruit means you’ll have it but that having 2 devil fruits will destroy your heart and so having 3 means either one or two got destroyed but that’s ok you still got one or just none get destroyed.

[pine delta]

interesting

isnt davy jones just the original vander decken tho

[pure raven]

Idk

I think it was in an ohara video I saw the theory

[pine delta]

i cant wait for the void century flashback and literally seeing the formative lore of the entire story

[ancient vault]

@pure ravenwhat was ur theory?

[upbeat flower]

How many victims with multiple hearts could he possiby have

[pure raven]

Might be referencing the end

[upbeat flower]

You are acting like he has unlimited people with this double rare character quirk

[pure raven]

Actually I wanted to talk about my theory on zoan awakenings

[ancient vault]

Arent you saying the soul resides in the heart?

[upbeat flower]

You got me there

[pure raven]

Like I said it might be that it’s not a soul in the heart but just having 2 devil fruits destroys your heart and so having 2 or 3 hearts means even if one heart goes away then you still have 2 so won’t die.

Like extra lives

[upbeat flower]

but also i think the law heart thing does show that the heart stores like important stuff about a person

[upbeat flower]

oh yeah that could work

[pure raven]

Anyway

[upbeat flower]

thanks for helping me add more to my bs theory

[pure raven]

I want to talk about my zoan awakening theory

[upbeat flower]

ok then go ahead

[pure raven]

So we’ve seen paramecia awakenings which turn the environment into their ability and people believe that logia awakenings alter the environment to their ability like punk hazard or that enies lobby could be always day time because of kizarus fruit or that place that has constant lightning could be enels ability. Crocodile for zoans awakenings just said that they’re tough or something? But I don’t think it’s just enhanced strength.

One thing I want to point out with zoans is that it seems like they have a kind of their own. Like the dog bazooka literally having a mind of its own or the elephant sword. In that filler with the red haired marine he couldn’t control his zoan arm (and yes I know it’s filler but still maybe oda might of played a hand it it. You never know). And of course smile users, even though smiles aren’t real devil fruits. Their animals have their own will.

I don’t think that sheepshead is a smile user as his zoan isn’t weird like there’s. But I think an awakening is the ability to make the animal body parts appear were ever. Like sheep’s head making horns on his hands and not head.

I could totally see Kiado turning his arm into a dragon head with his tattoo scales becoming real scales.

Being able to shoot fire boats out of the palm of his hands than just his mouth.

Probably not though

I think it would of been cool tho

Also in the most recent sbs someone asked oda why Black Maria had 2 faces (her face and the spider face) and Ora said ‘Idk drugs like chopper’. Maybe those drugs awakened her fruit as people believe choppers monster point is an awakening.

[pine delta]

yeah i can see chopper drugs as df 'awakening' artificially

i hope he eventually fully masters awakening as his final power up

i think the mind of their own is either a "it overtakes you" like the ipel down gaurds or like chopper where you have multiple hybrid-esque forms. smiles are failures because they cant control it and it just kinda fused with them, and bazooka dog is because it merged with an inanimate object

[rigid lotus]

i always thought his big boi form is the awakened form

[pure raven]

He was rabid at first too

[amber oar]

Sheepshead just got luckier with his SMILE

[pure raven]

Is it possible for chopper to have a fully human form?

[ancient vault]

he honestly should have. Oda is just a hack

[upbeat flower]

none of choppers forms make any sense

and aren't related to humans

also we already know what a zoan awakening is

oda not being creative lol

[tacit veldt]

Is Speed the one that got the best deal out of a smile? Centaurs are cool

I guess Batman can fly, but he doesnt have arms anymore

[amber oar]

Chopper in full beast form looks more human than fucking Moria

A lot of zoan users in full beast keep traits from their original species, however. Particularly a lot keep their hair

And seems Pierre keeps his bird coloration. Though we only saw him hybrid

[pure raven]

"In rocks, it is little grains of minerals like hematite and magnetite that have iron in them. Those minerals experience oxidation and become rust, turning the rocks red." ~ livescience.com

"The bright rust color Mars is known for is due to iron-rich minerals in its regolith — the loose dust and rock covering its surface. The soil of Earth is a kind of regolith, too, albeit one loaded with organic content. According to NASA, the iron minerals oxidize, or rust, causing the soil to look red.

The Red Planet is home to both the highest mountain and the deepest, longest valley in the solar system. Olympus Mons is roughly 17 miles (27 kilometers) high, about three times as tall as Mount Everest.."
space.com

Q: So how does this all fit into One Piece?

A:
Olympus Mons, the tallest mountain in the Solar System, and being from the Planet Mars that are considered reddish in appearance, would most likely be an inspiration for ODA to draw the Red Line being ridiculously tall, red, and be described as the "Land of the Gods" (from 'Olympus').

Two, Red Line being a huge supercontinent in the past as inspired by our real world Pangea, would mean that all the other continents that broke apart from it, are going to not only be smaller but also have different levels of exposure to air. Thus after this separation, the ones that remained were exposed to air the most, causing the iron to oxidized or rusts, which eventually turned the rocks red.

And it is possible that there being volcanic eruptions which gave rise to the seperation of this massive supercontinent, could very well be related to a certain race (Lunarians) from the Moon, which gave them such ability to produce fire, and ultimately contributing to the start of the Great Kingdom Era.

[pure raven]

---

And the three Ancient weapons (beings) would have most likely been formed to rival such catostraphical disasters.

Poseidon - battle against Tsunamis, and other sea related disasters.

Uranus - battle against tornadoes, storms, and other wind related disasters.

Pluton - strong enough to be able to carry people throughout such disasters with its defenses and attack capabilities.

---

These weapons were being put to good use, but 20 kingdoms alter the truth by making the world think otherwise due to their envy and resentment towards certain people.

Thus Joyboy felt necessary to have the information on them be protected and hidden safely from the WG, through the Ponelyphs, so that they may once again, help saved the world, when the right time comes.

[iron lion]

this is a very interesting theory with a unique angle, I liked how you connected real properties of rocks and geology into this

[frozen lantern]

I feel like the next arc will be like saving sabo or something. The strawhats will go to marejois or marineford and save him and they will call the STRAWHAT FLEET

[latent raft]

I think the next arc will be the longest arc

[modest skiff]

!theories @snow grove

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using #manga-theories for any joke theories you may have. This channel is strictly for serious discussion on the realm of possibilities one truly believes in, and can explain in a manner that conveys why. Please consider this a general warning.

[light onyx]

Possible would explain how he could have 3 devil fruits

[split stone]

kaido will be defeated but not killed by luffy, instead luffy will also fall. At the end of act 3 we'll see Big mom's disease causing her to eat kaido alive in front of everyone before she falls unconscious . We'll be revealed that some of the members of the CP-0 are survivors from that cannibal incident with Mother Carmel, they'll use this opportunity to capture big mom and Big News Morgans will tell everyone that luffy himself killed Kaido. End of Wano.

[modest skiff]

Please try to put more effort into ideas you are putting forward. Explain what you are conveying in more detail rather than just dropping an image

[light onyx]

And why he doesn’t sleep

[waxen dust]

If this happens I am dropping the series

[stiff patrol]

this ain’t ever gonna happen

[pure raven]

This might not be a good theory but Ik the marines weren’t even thought of back in ancient history and the thought of Wanted Posters

But what if the Founders of the WG were in the pursuit of Joyboy

[split stone]

who knows, its a creepy 50/50 chance, it can happen and it can not happen, anythings possible to happen since luffy wont kill kaido and the only way to stop him is by his death (maybe he'll commit seppuku in order to respect luffy after being defeated who knows)

[stiff patrol]

Momo will kill him obv to avenge his father

[split stone]

momo cant he isnt strong enough, he doesnt even has CoC and getting matured didnt change much his strength

[stiff patrol]

……. He is like 29, and the woman with the ripe ripe fruit commented he looked just like his father kozuki ofc he is gonna be stronger

[pure raven]

imo, momo will just get Kaido out of wano

that’s all

[split stone]

but he still has no haki and oda agrees to the community that if he suddenly developed armament and conquerors haki and got hella stronger, shinobu's df would be a lot op and he could use it as a plot armor to anyone "he was gonna lose shinobu appeared he got stronger he defeated the enemy"

[vestal orbit]

how do you expect oda to portray this in a way that isn't incredibly disturbing and can still be viewed by children

[waxen dust]

........what is this?

[pure raven]

I don’t know, something I made when I was bored

[dusky acorn]

I get that it's fitting to seek scenarios on how Kaido may die, and I do agree Big Mom has a shot at killing him, but wouldn't she also be killed off in such a scenario? The devil fruit transfer would automatically occur again, and she already has one this time

And which disease are you referring to exactly, that would cause her to do it

[night jewel]

hunger pangs i assume? dont see why she will have hunger pangs for human/oni flesh

[light onyx]

Who ?

[flat gale]

I legit think Vegapunk is a double agent working for the Revoutonairy Army

[night condor]

I don't think Kaido will die or at least luffy will kill him. In one piece so far, I don't think luffy has killed anybody so far. I just think that Luffy will defeat Kaido, Big mom might just flee or something. Then Kaido will be improsoned but I don't think that the world government could hold him.

[unreal zenith]

death is such a big part of his character tho

[pure raven]

Luffy has def killed a ton of fodder

Like, when he punches a random. Beast pirate full strength with haki yo the head, you think that wouldn’t kill them?

[visual merlin]

^ to haramzah, and I think it'd be weird for Oda to just imprison him for the 19st time in his life, and that's not even an exaggerated number

And if they can't hold him he'll just come back to wano. In any case I don't think Luffy will kill him, I think Luffy defeats him and someone else can come in and kill him while he's down

[flat gale]

Kaido might die, but Luffy won’t kill him

I have a feeling Blackbeard is gonna steal the kill

[wary dagger]

momo is 8 or 9, just because he was physically aged by a df doesnt mean he was actually aged. hes been alive for 8 or 9 years, hes mentally 8 or 9

[split stone]

That's the neat part, you don't.

[rancid marsh]

Exactly what i was thinking

[acoustic helm]

BB throwin big mom pirates ship the third time 😂😂

[flat gale]

And this time, he uses his quake powers to make it shatter

[acoustic helm]

Exactly 🌋👍

Well it could happen that when zoro kills koido the sword gets the df powers

[pure raven]

joyboy ig

[light onyx]

[night condor]

I feel like it might be the CP0 no?

[flat gale]

He did say he was going to get something before the government could

which makes me believe hes not only going to wano to get kaido's fruit, but he also somehow knows CP0 is there as well

of the emperors, blackbeard is the most unpredictable

[fathom matrix]

I can see Chopper getting 1000 next time

Like Luffy tries to chear him up saying "Look at that, you got 10 times more the bounty" but he shouts at him, saying that 10 times of nothing is still nothing

[pure raven]

I don’t want carrot to join

I think Yamato will be the last crew member. Luffy said he wanted at least 10 crew members and at first I thought he meant 9 plus 1 but with Yamato makes 10 plus it be the same as how oden was Rogers last crew member and so Yamato will be luffy’s last crew member.

[fathom matrix]

I'm a little iffy on carrot too. I stated my reasons before why Yamato shouldn't either, and she'd be more of a tag along than an official member

[supple anchor]

vivi probably gonna join back up too

[pure raven]

Nah. They gonna have to rescue vivi

[fathom matrix]

I can see it being a 3 person rescue mission or escape. I think Sabo, Vivi and Boa are gonna all be together captured

[supple anchor]

idk about that, nothing about the reverie mentioned an abduction of a princess and i think that would be big news. i think sabo got framed for killing cobra and vivi escaped

[pure raven]

The crew going to save Vivi I think would be nice

[supple anchor]

ngl im a little over the "save the princess" plot. feels like we've had that happen like 3-4 times

[pure raven]

Save the crew member

And save the princess

[supple anchor]

save the crew makes more sense cause they are pirates and people are gonna try to capture em, although yeah it has been overdone a bit too

[fathom matrix]

they said an incident happened at alabasta, and the WG can lie and say "oh the princess went home with her father, and they must have been gravely injured or died".

But there's a theory Cobra's dead, Sabo's blamed, and hell, maybe Vivi was captured.

[dense wing]

I think Sabo and Vivi could be rumored dead

But in reality Sabo escaped w her

[halcyon talon]

yeah the rumour is that he's "dead" I think, judging by everyone's reaction from reading the newspaper

cause dadan was like "no sabo we only just found out you were alive!" or something like that

[dense wing]

I keep hearing that but I’m not sure if that’s an anime only line

[halcyon talon]

one sec

[dense wing]

Gotcha

Then yeah

He’s “dead”

Most likely Luffy Post-Wano will be told he’s alive

I don’t think a grieving Luffy benefits the story

[ancient vault]

telling luffy after his biggrst win that his second brother just died would prob reset the story

[dusky acorn]

Sabo being presented as dead in the newspaper seems like the most logical thing going off that page, but a lock-up being stated in the paper is also possible to make them emit that reaction. Like, "We only just found out he's alive, but now he's going to be locked in Impel Down forever and we'll never have a chance to see him again!"

It's more of a stretch, but stuff like that is also possible, so our options aren't actually too linear here

[dense wing]

I think it’s possible but I’m heavily against that idea

We create Ace 2.0 even more

Sabo being falsely proclaimed dead sounds much more interesting

But they’re both possible

[halcyon talon]

whatever it is, sabo's death or sabo's lock-up, i wonder why the WG wanted it covered up (assuming that is the news that they wanted covered up)

[dense wing]

I think whatever is going on with Vivi and Cobra would be covered up more than the Sabo stuff

Vivi was on Imu’s hitlist

[halcyon talon]

oh that makes sense

[dense wing]

Seems like Imu stabbed/slashed the pics of BB Luffy and Shira and kept hold of Vivi’s

Whatever that may mean

[halcyon talon]

yeah its very interesting

[wary dagger]

imu vivi confirmed????????5?

or nefertari imu whatever the last name is

[dense wing]

Likely no

[halcyon talon]

unlikely

[wary dagger]

i like to make extremely unlikely theories as a joke

[dense wing]

Well the channel is for serious discussion only so

[wary dagger]

oh, sorry

[dense wing]

No worries

[halcyon talon]

just how far is wano from mariejois?

cause if sabo/vivi need saving it could the the revolutionaries that we finally get to see in action (dragon included). that would be nice

[dense wing]

Well Mariejois is on the Red Line

And you can calc the travel time between islands I guess

To get a range

Of how far away we are in terms of days of boat travel

But we’re not backtracking

Until Final War

[halcyon talon]

yeah

[dense wing]

That’s why I think after Luffy becomes PK we get a timeskip of like

1-2 or even 3 months

To prep allies and get ready and stuff before we raid Mariejois

Who knows

[halcyon talon]

before the final war right

[dense wing]

Yeah

[halcyon talon]

remember how they rebuilt marineford bigger/stronger and more fortified, do you think that will be part of the final war or is it too similar to the other marineford war

[dense wing]

New Marineford is in the New World

If it’s near the Red Line we may have to break through it

[halcyon talon]

yeah

[dense wing]

Who knows

But yeah we’re gonna see New MF

It’d be weird if it was hyped up only for Oda not to use it

[halcyon talon]

yeah makes sense. thats where akainu is chilling too

[pure raven]

There's FOUR ways we can look at this:

1. Vivi being reported to be injured/ill.

For there to be such news, there should be pictures of her current condition. Like is she being given proper treatment? Or is it getting worse? And if she is being taken care of in Alabasta or elsewhere. People would want to know all of these things to ease their worries. But if this wasn't the case, and the WG just reported it as it is without showing any evidence, the people would know whether it  is the truth or not, as they can just simply go to her palace to verify whether she is truly in such a state or not.

If she was truly ill/injured, the FIRST PEOPLE to know of her illness, would be her people instead of the WG. The fact that they looked shocked and completely emotionally destroyed from reading the news about Vivi, shows that they DID NOT know anything beforehand which makes the possibility of her being reported as illed/injured invalidated.

2. Vivi being reported as kidnapped.

We know for a fact that when Vivi left her country with Luffy, this wasn't reported to her people as this would cause them to worry, and even more so, since Luffy is a pirate, this would also cause even more unecessary widespread panic and distrust towards her.

If she was kidnapped, and for the WG to know of this, the officials in alabasta would have to release this information to the public, for it to even reach anyone else whether it be WG or Big News Morgan. But knowing how they have kept Vivi's adventure with Luffy a secret indicates that they would never want the public to be worried if Vivi was kidnapped as this would cause widespread panic. And the fact that the WG of all people, reported it shows logically implies they had receive such information which is HIGHLY suspicious.
So the possibility of her being REPORTED as kidnapped is also cancelled out.

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3. Vivi being reported as killed.

Now if this was the absolute case, people of Alabata would be devastated (and crying) by such news, BUT they would never be able to guarantee her death as she would have been burried safe under the ground away from the Public's eye, to even question the officials in alabasta, whether it is the truth or not.

The people wouldn't be able to say "why didn't anyone from the officials of Alabasta tell us about their deaths before anyone else?" as there would be the possibility of them being killed OUTSIDE of Alabasta which would have been informed to the WG before them.

So this is LIKELY the more case scenario of Vivi being REPORTED to have died/killed.

4. The report of her death being FAKE.

This is also LIKELY to be the case as we can see from Vivi's poster that Imu was holding onto in the Flower Chambers and also while he was walking towards the empty throne which suggests that he wants something out of her, rather than just death.

So what could it have been?

We know Imu also looked at the posters of Luffy, Shirahoshi and Blackbeard. For IM to not have cut Vivi's poster, it must mean she possesses something the OTHER three does not have.

Luffy is from a D, and has a Devil fruit.
Blackbeard is also a D, and has two Devil fruits.
Shirahoshi is a merfolk, and has an ancient Weapon, Poseidon in her.

So Vivi must possessed something that isn't being from the D clan/merfolk, or someone who has a devil fruit. Question is what could it be?

The answer is....her ability to produce HUMAN offspring.

We know for a FACT that Alabasta Kingdom out of the 20 kingdoms, DOES NOT intend to stay at Mariejois, so this ultimately triggers the WG to a certain extent by having the idea that they (alabasta Kingdom) doesn't fully want to co-exist with the WG that coukd be due to lack in trust or loyalty. With Vivi being the princess, this would give Im to seek this as an opportunity to FULLY get a hold of their kingdom to bow before him which he didn't get for the past 800 years.

And Vivi could have also been a reminscent of someone he once loved in the past.

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Theory by,

Gol D One Piece (me).

[weak arrow]

just want to say that the gorosei/Imu are literally the head of the WG who alabasta are apart of so they literally already "have a hold of their kingdom"

My personal best option is they captured Sabo and framed him for Cobra's death and they announced his execution in the paper. Vivi either escaped or was also captured by the WG.

[pure raven]

You missed the fact that Alabasta Kingdom worked with the Strawhats. This could be one of the main reasons why IM felt even more threatened on top of the other fact that they do NOT want to stay in Mariejois.

Read my theory again especially the LAST part.

[flat gale]

youre forgetting a major piece: WAPOL HAS INFO TO LEAK!!

[weak arrow]

Honestly I'm just confused by the entire thing. Nothing you typed makes sense except the last sentence:

"And Vivi could have also been a reminscent of someone he once loved in the past."

I mean i guess lol. Can't really respond much to that. It's certainly possible.

[flat gale]

i think vivi is being yeeted to Wano as we speak thanks to Kuma, but is blamed by Sabo for everything

Also, her father is legit dead thanks to Rob Lucci

Which ties into my theory of Vegapunk being RA

[weak arrow]

The kuma theories don't really make sense either. If Kuma still had a brain maybe.

[pure raven]

Gear theory:
Hyogoro when he saw luffy’s gear fourth referred to him as looking like a wisdom king.
I was researching the wisdom kings and there are like 10 but there are these main 5 known as the 5 wisdom kings who are the protectors/guardians of Buddhism.
I was trying to see if maybe luffy’s gear variants where actually modelled off these 5 wisdom kings (which are also referred to as wisdom conquerors). There is one called ‘Acala the immovable one’ which made me think of tank man.
Or if not then maybe they are actually the 4 heavenly kings. One of which is symbolic with a snake and made me think of snake man.

[flat gale]

like what if Vegapunk programmed some commands inside of Kuma as a safty messure to help the Revolutnary Army do what they need to do, so Sabo acivates a command that helps yeet her away to a place where not ebven the government can find her

Why else did Kuma volentier to be turned by Vegapunk?

Simple answer: theyre working together for a common goal

[weak arrow]

What we know:

There was an attempted murder.
There was a successful murder.
Something happened regarding Alabasta which most likely involves one of the 2 former statements if not both.
Sabo was either announced dead or was captured and had his execution announced. This is really the only thing that would spark the reactions we saw.

[modest skiff]

Here’s my theory that answers this question #manga-theories message