manga-theories

[unborn knot]

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[light onyx]

Looks like kawamatsu

Same hat and hair

[cyan berry]

kawamatsu has been in Udon jail for 20 years

[light onyx]

Probably another fish man

[light onyx]

Yh it can’t possibly be him

[grizzled fog]

Scopper is my guess personally

[night jewel]

think its just supposed to be a little nod to shiki's existence in the canon, nothing really relevant

[dim radish]

i honestly thought it was shiki for some reason.

[light onyx]

I also think it’s gaban it would explain why crocus is so happy

Not to mention his hair would make sense

[pure raven]

cant wait for oda to BTFO everyone. OP fans think the guy is kishimoto with the "sun god nika ruled the AK, imu defeated teh AK, bb kills shanks, luffy defeats bb, finds one piece, beats imu, throws party" -4 IQ surface level DOGSHIT theories

U-UM WHAT IF URRRHH SUN GOD NIKA HAD LE BIG STRAWHATZZ

[prime bluff]

Yamato has read oden's journal (from chapter 1024) and she knows luffy is the one the joyboy From today's episode she says she was waiting for luffy

[pure raven]

luffy is not joyboy

its obvious bait by oda. in the same way people thought dragon was ace's father

he sets up an easy narrative for us to believe while plotting in the background

[prime bluff]

That's not up to you to decide

[pure raven]

if i had to guess its momo whos joyboy, whatever that means

[prime bluff]

Who are you

[pure raven]

a smart fan

[prime bluff]

Sounds like a one punch fan lost its way to one piece discord
But whatever

[pure raven]

never watched opm

[supple anchor]

calling it bait isnt really saying anything. anything could be bait but you gotta actually back it up

[prime bluff]

Read 1024 chapter and then watch today's episode
Then have some views about it

I have another theory luffy will not meet shanks
Until luffy power level is equal to shanks

[pure raven]

its bait because it doesn't follow thematically. the minks are always talking about the "dawn" that is to come, and they're kozuki followers. Pedro didn't sacrifice himself for the strawhats. He did it for kozuki's eventual retaking of wano. WIthout them, the raid would have failed. Even momo said "I can't die yet" because he is the important figure being talked about. luffy has nothing to do with this. Kaido said it even he couldnt become joyboy. Because he's not

reread onigashima

[prime bluff]

Yamato has read oden's journal
Yamato knows about one piece

Yamato is waiting for luffy

[prime bluff]

Has kaido reached laugh tale

[pure raven]

yes shes waiting for luffy to take down kaido

[supple anchor]

Minks are allied with Wano and there is more to it that we don't know for sure, but you are making the assumption that the dawn is related to the kozuki and basing it all on that. none of the samurai were even there when pedro sacrificed himself, they had already gone on to wano and oda really got across the message that pedro believed that the SHs were the dawn that he had been waiting for

[prime bluff]

Things aren't making sense I am out

[prime bluff]

This make sense

[pure raven]

luffy is joyboy

[pure raven]

That's the point. They made it clear that without pedro's sacrifice the raid would have failed. Meaning it's not about the strawhats at all, it's about the raid and the retaking of Wano. Pedro sacrificed himsself for the SHs because he thinks they will enable the new dawn, whatever that means. Joyboy is an entirely different character

not really much else to say, if luffy isn't joyboy it would be bizarre

she said the same thing about luffy

she said luffy was the one to take kaido down

[pure raven]

yes

luffy will take kaido down, the dawn is something else

[supple anchor]

Pedro did not know when he sacrificed himself that it was integral to the raid on onigashima, dude was just trying to save the strawhats. the mink's are extremely loyal as a race and are clearly drawing on pedro's death to fight on and motivate themselves but the consequences of what pedro did were not known to him at the time. like hitta said yamato has also said the same thing about luffy before and "the one who guides the world to the dawn" can be a different person from "joyboy"

like oden was integral to roger becoming the pirate king, he led him there but in no way was oden the pirate king

[pure raven]

joyboy is the one to defeat kaido, that's why kaido said that he wasn't joyboy as he tossed him in the sea cause he thought he won

[light onyx]

Why was there a big egg in Rogers ship

[sick valve]

we don't know

[proven rivet]

It’s a dragon egg I think

Whatever it is it’s guarding the ship

[light onyx]

That would be cool I wonder where it is now

[proven rivet]

I think it’s with the ship at Laughtale

And one of the members has to be there too so probably Gaban looking after both

[light onyx]

Do you think it’s a weapon ?

[proven rivet]

I’m not sure. I think it could be used as weapon but I think it’ll be friendly in general

[light onyx]

Same

[proven rivet]

I think it’ll be like Punk Hazrad where right when the SHs get there, they’ll have to fight it

[light onyx]

Most weapons. Are living things

[proven rivet]

True

[worthy belfry]

One-piece at moon for sure

Why nobody found one-piece island after 20 yrs

I think if government with so many ships could easily scout the whole grandline in 20 yrs

Only reason one-piece is not an island but is on the moon

The elbaf tree is one of way to get to the moon

The elbaf gonna be one of the last arc

[hoary glade]

I have a theory for the origin of devil fruits.

My theory is that vegapunk created devil fruits using the dna of lunarians so that, when consumed, they manipulated the lineage factor of humans, giving them abilities. Hear me out here.

This goes well hand in hand with the sanjo being a lunarian theory, as, in an sbs, oda talks about how sanjis eyebrows bring swirly is more than a fashion accessory. Whilst it seems he is joking in this sbs, it could also show that sanjis eyebrows have some sort of importance apsrt from the character design. Now, we all know all vinsmoke children have swirly eyebrows (image above) and also have special abilities. So my theory is that judge manipulated the dna of the vinsmokes using other races. For ichiji and sanji, he used the lunarian dna, explaining how they can burst into flames and do flame stuff. For yonji, he used the dna of fishmen, explaining his super strength (fishmen have 10x strength of average human) for neeji, he used minks, explaining his ability to manipulate lightning similarly to minks. And for reiju, he may have used some sort of butterfly mink dna to give her immunity to all poisons, as well as gaining them wing things.

Now, back to the main theory. We all know that lineage factors were discovered by both vegapunk and judge. Whilst judge used it to directly influence the dna of his children, vegapunk looked more into it and discovered that the dna of lunarians specifically can create special abilities once manipulated correctly. So he, using the dna of lunarians, created devil fruits: fruits able to manipulate a being's lineage factor just by ingesting it.

Now i have many reasons why this may have happened. I personally believe that the gods above marejois marco refers to in the recent chapter were the lunarians, and i think this is both metaphorical and literal.

They are beings that ruled the planet in the void century due to their inhuman powers which means they were above them in status, but also beings that lacked the capability to swim, meaning they stayed above land literally, possibly on the moon as that definitely has some sory of relevance (i think you see where im going here). This would mean that firstly, they were related to skypians which explains enels god complex, as well as their wings, and secondly that they are the perfect candidates to cause mass destruction to, wiping out the whole race and giving vegapunk more than enough test subjects to conduct experiments on and reach the whole devil fruit conclusion.

I think i made a theory that goes in depth on the whole lunarians thing, as well as their correlation to the will of D. Lemme find it

My theory is that they were the people who lived on gods valley, cuz whitebeard refers to a land of gods above marejois and, as we know, the sun god is a prominent figure in one piece. Flames are normally attributed to the sun which explains the whole land of god. So maybe when he says above he meant it metaphorically, in that they had more authoritary as figures that were worshipped. It would explain why all of the void centurys history was wiped out, as literal benevolent gods existing as the rulers of the planet would cause a bunch of people to lose support for the much more violent and tyranical celestial dragond that currently rule tue planet

Hear me out here. All D members are descendants of lunarians, with dna thats so extremely dialouted that their basically humans at this point. This supports my earlier theory as the descendants of the past gods would obviously be powerful. Sanji is also partially lunarian, but that is due to genetic experimentation on him from judge. This would explain how luffy is also able to use a flame ability to some extent (red hawk), as well as their genetic similarities. Its a bit outlandish, but also makes aense

These three theories on the will of d, devil fruits and the void century go pretty well hand in hand imo
Theres also the whole sbs thing where oda says a specific scientist is behind devil fruits (not an exact quote)

[unkempt cosmos]

not likely the reason coz no one found it is because the grand line is very hard to navigate and even the navy/WG/marines are not able to cross the new world so easily coz there are the yonko who have a very strict rule over those places.
the flashback/journal of oden shows them on an island and they were sailing to that location of one piece which proves that one piece is on earth not on moon

[worthy belfry]

It makes sense, that's why oda made judge vinsmoke wear a mask to hide if he has curly eyebrows or not

[hoary glade]

Then again, maybe it is on the moon. That would explain the reason why gol d had to go back to skypia. Skypians are confirmed aliens, and maybe have information regarding space travel hidden somewhere either on jaya or skypia

[unkempt cosmos]

confirmed aliens? where was it stated that

[worthy belfry]

Sanji mom does not have curly eyebrows and I bet judge does not have them too, maybe curly eyebrows is something to do with lineage factor

[unkempt cosmos]

id want proof of that coz ive read the entire thing recently and it wasnt said in skypia saga that they were aliens

[hoary glade]

W

Might be a myth tho, not entirely sure

[worthy belfry]

There are around 7 moons in onepiece world , you can theorise that each different race comes from each moon

[hoary glade]

Also enel is confirmed to have travelled to the moon at some point, meaning there is a way for humans to go up there and its closely linked to skypians

[unkempt cosmos]

he went to moon via the ark which he created

[hoary glade]

Oh my god

I just found something out...

[unkempt cosmos]

what?

[worthy belfry]

Sanji flames are interesting , maybe king race lineage factor was used by judge

[hoary glade]

There are 8 phases of the moon
There are 8 main species in one piece
Fishmen
Humans
Tontattans
Skypians
Shandians
Merfolk
Minks
Lunarians

Btw im putting long arms, 3 eyes etc into humans cuz they are tribes, not races

[worthy belfry]

All sanji needs wings , which he might even grow who knows, a sanji with wings would be funny

[hoary glade]

What if each phase of the moon is related to each race in some way?
E.g full moon causing sulong form in minks

[acoustic helm]

Then why would vegapunk reverse engineer the fruit

[hoary glade]

Wdym?

[worthy belfry]

That explains why minks get powerful during moonlight because they originally belonged to moon

[acoustic helm]

Vegapunk created copy of kaido's fruit,
If he already was the original creator of df then he wouldn't need koido to make df in first place

[unkempt cosmos]

koido ||nice pun||

[worthy belfry]

Vegapunk can't create devil fruit he is max 100 yrs old , void century was 600 yrs old

[acoustic helm]

Vegapunk found the lineage factor that's it..

[unkempt cosmos]

800 years not 600

[worthy belfry]

Ohh

[hoary glade]

Correction: caesar clown created a copy of kaidos fruit. We also know that clown was a rival of vegapunk, which would give him a personal reason to look into the creation of smiles

[acoustic helm]

Man are even reading manga

[hoary glade]

Y e s

[worthy belfry]

Vegapunk created copy of kaido devil fruit , Caesar just kept it in his lab

[acoustic helm]

Cp0 clearly stated that vegapunk made koido df copy and it was a failure

[hoary glade]

O yea mb

[acoustic helm]

Read manga sincerely 😂

[hoary glade]

What if another scientist originally created the devil fruits, and vegapunk made a replica of said fruits. However, it was deemed a "failure" and left out

[hoary glade]

I mean i did, just forgot the specifics. Again, my bad

[worthy belfry]

I have theory that devil fruit was actually a failure , and momo was already a dragon from birth, fruit just awakened that state

Momo is born from that egg on Roger crew

Dragon is one of the ancient weapon

[acoustic helm]

Hol up

Momo was born on WB ship

[worthy belfry]

Really?

[acoustic helm]

Man literally what's going on, is there a mass weed distribution going on

[worthy belfry]

Why momo after reading oden diary said he should not die

Maybe he is the ancient weapon

[worthy belfry]

Too bad I smoked it all

[unkempt cosmos]

sum1 deleted smth?

[worthy belfry]

@oke go ahead

[acoustic helm]

Look

[unkempt cosmos]

yes he was born on wb's ship and ko was considered as a brother to wb rather than son which is what wb calls most of his crew members

idk if it has been told that dragon is one of the 3 weapons tho

[acoustic helm]

Ko?

[unkempt cosmos]

kozuki oden

[reef plinth]

Ay so if zoros father was the one with yamato did zoro left with the wano people as an infant

[unkempt cosmos]

doubt it coz he looks too old to be his dad, maybe his grand father

revealed weapons are merm with the ability to talk to neptunians (posiedon) and the warship (pluton)

[reef plinth]

Sounds fair enough

[acoustic helm]

It could be ushimaru slept with some women but couldn't marry her and she went out of wano with other samurai

[unkempt cosmos]

deffo related in one way or the other
||maybe like frank and percy or ares and percy who knows (who ever has read percy jackson will understand this)||

[reef plinth]

Wait how you do spoiler tag

[acoustic helm]

Or her mom went on wrong ship

[unkempt cosmos]

||like this||

[reef plinth]

||spoiler||

[acoustic helm]

||yo||

[reef plinth]

Because there must be a reasom why they are getting locked up. Its strange cause they arent with the red scabbards so who can they be affiliated with

[acoustic helm]

Daimyo are under shogun

But after odens execution they must have rebeled

[reef plinth]

So zoro's ancestor can be a former daimyo. But it doesnt seem like zoro itself had a lot of recognition in his village was he anonymously given. And no one knew his true backstory

A secret agency in wano could also exist but maybe too farfetched

[unkempt cosmos]

farfetch'd pokemon reference

[reef plinth]

Bruh whahah

[light onyx]

Ong this whole spiral thing makes one piece look like gurren lagann

[shadow pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-katakuri-katakuri-hey-chat-hey-chat-gif-22865752

[opaque pivot]

No break next week?

[unreal solar]

Nope

[dusky notch]

That's the best ending for a op chapter

[acoustic helm]

[sturdy glen]

any theories on kuina pulling a sabo?

[weary cliff]

Unfortunately

[weak arrow]

Well. The only real theory about it is that she joined the revolutionaries but it seems doubtful at this point now that they've been expanded on.

[stiff patrol]

I believe aokijiki joined blackbeard to find out about how he has multiple devil fruits

[pure raven]

Any ideas who saved oden's journal from burning? Toki?

It might be also she who healed the scabbards

[tired osprey]

Hitetsu / sukiyaki, and he took odens swords at the same time

[spring nacelle]

shanks will take break the space time continue umm when he appear in 5 years

[pure raven]

i wonder where did yamato find it

doesn't make any sense for hitetsu to leave it somewhere

[tired osprey]

Near the river i think she said that

Maybe he dropped it or just threw into the river

[stiff patrol]

Have you read the manga????

[pure raven]

yeah i remembered that now sry

[unkempt cosmos]

probably not

[tired osprey]

That was unnecessary harsh, it wasnt a big reveal or something, an easy detail to forget

[unkempt cosmos]

kuina being alive would kind of wreck zoro's will to become strongest swordsman

[outer edge]

👀

[reef oar]

Sabo isn't dead

[unkempt cosmos]

the other way round

[deep hill]

that isnt confirmed right

[valid cave]

Fighting against two admirals and surviving?! Doesn't sound like Sabo can do that

[weak kiln]

Sabo is as good as dead

[bitter kraken]

Sabo wasn’t alone fighting the admirals lol and he’s clashed against Fuji before he’s not dead. Worst case is he’s captured I think

[pure raven]

my friend and I were talking and I was wondering if anyone else has considered the other two samurai with Ushimaru being the daimyos of the Kibi and Udon regions

I can't remember if we saw the other daimyos in silhouette when Orochi was being named the proxy shogun

[tired osprey]

Yea, that seems likely

[restive reef]

Aight so Green Bull is definitley the one who converted WW to Sun Jesus

Man literally bathes in the sun all day and is a smiling silhouette

[fathom matrix]

could be that he has a planet DF

[restive reef]

Probably both

[fathom matrix]

I see it more as a paramecia

[ancient vault]

Fugetsu and Uzuki

we saw the silhouettes of the previous clan members

[pure raven]

Oh I thought so! Thank you!

yes now that I look them up they even resemble the silhouettes somehwat. Nice good to know

[reef oar]

He clashed with Fujitora in dressrossa; he's the lieutenant commander of the revolutionary army. He was there along many other revolutionary army members. Imho it's unreasonable to assume he's dead. At worst, he's captured and they're telling the world that he's dead since he was a noble.

I think it's more unreasonable to just assume that a main character, stated to be dead, is just dead. Why would you take what is told to you at face value? Consider how difficult it is for Oda to kill off characters.

[shadow pike]

Why did Kaido think that Yamato was oden?

"I thought you were Oden"

[reef oar]

He said that to her in a mocking tone.

"I thought you were Oden" like "I thought you were strong enough to handle being imprisoned" etc

[fathom matrix]

That, and Yamato said she was his kid, so he was like "my kid? I thought you were kozuki oden"

[shadow pike]

oh i see i thought he sensed oden like he did when he was fighting zolo for a sec

[fathom matrix]

TBH, Momo being an adult and showing himself to the people of wano after the battle, will most likely have people really believe it's him. Cause if you try to explain time travel and devil fruit it gets buggered, so the child of oden who went missing for 20 years to come back and defeat orochi and kaido, who is now a grown adult, is a lot more believable

[shadow pike]

would not doubt if it even freaks kaido out. he was disturbed when sensing oden's presence, seeing almost a clone of oden will even make him scared i think

ultimate payback for kanjulo tricking the scabbalds, adult momo looking like oden

[heady parrot]

he’s gonna shit his pants just seeing another dragon imagine what his face will look like when that dragon turns into what looks like Oden from Kaidos perspective, returning from the grave to slay him. Wano’s been hard to predict but this is something I hope we get to see.

[fathom matrix]

Do you think there are other mythical human fruits?

[light onyx]

Sengoku?

[fathom matrix]

Like the "human human fruit: Model Yuki-onna"? I know Monette is based off of one, but is it possible there's an actual yukionna fruit?

[dusky acorn]

Now that we know there's at least two mythical human fruits with Onimaru's Onyudo power, yeah there probably could be others

[light onyx]

I was thinking giants but they’re not that mythical

[fathom matrix]

ancient giants would be ancient zoans

[light onyx]

Unless ur bigger than a giant

[fathom matrix]

here's another one. Human Human Fruit, model Tengu?

[light onyx]

Ig

[fathom matrix]

I can see a lot of yokai inspired fruits being human models. Only if they're very human like tho.

[light onyx]

Smae

[fathom matrix]

though people had an idea for an actual devil fruit

something like a mythical goat fruit, but it's the "yagi yagi No Mi: Model Lucifer or Model Devil"

what if one of the final arcs is an entire flashback? I don't mean like wano with an oden flash back, but before we see what the one piece actually is, we cut to an arc where it's the whole void century in a flashback

it's either as long as wano or dressrosa, maybe a little shorter, but we get to see new characters to get attached too, see how the story plays out, get plot points revealed, and at the end of it, we cut back to the present and see what the one piece is.

[reef solstice]

Theory - Usopp calling himself sibling hunter is foreshadowing for him fighting Loki and/or Thor in Elbaf. Could someone provide the original Japanese for 'sibling hunter' btw

[heady parrot]

maybe he’ll become blood brothers with thor and help defeat loki and unlocking conquerors haki in a critical moment.

[tawdry bramble]

We need a mythical angel fruit.

[left field]

imagine if there was a devil-devil no mi

[fathom matrix]

I could see there for def being a thor in Elbaf

[left field]

imagine if Elbaf isn't the next arc

[fathom matrix]

Maybe Thor was in line for the throne, but Loki cucked him for the throne, or thor went "missing" and Loki was the only one left.

[reef oar]

I feel like after the battle Bonnie or someone will change him back to an 8 y/o so he can grow up normal because being in a 28 year old body as an 8 year old doesn't sound great.

[fathom matrix]

well, the issue there is, 1. How will Bonnie get to Wano, 2. why would she do it, and 3. it kinda takes away the impact.

Plus, some of the adult/young adults of this story are childish at times, I mean, Oden become a dymio, but he rushed off to whitebeard's ship for adventure and though he was just excited, he didn't like following orders and kept rushing ahead.

Momo's learning to strengthen his resolve, he's in line to become shogan, he does have somewhat of a mature mindset and is adapting one, and he's willing to throw away his childhood, for the betterment of wano.

If it can all be just revsered, it kinda takes away that impact of not being to go back, and since he's built up to be the shogan, he'd need to be an adult for people to take a little more seriously, and if most of the scabbards survive, they will be sticking by his side to help him, like how they helped Oden.

Plus, they're gonna have to fix wano anyways, so Momo can learn a lot more on the job

[sand geode]

Thoughts on yamato joining strawhats

I honestly think yamato would be a samurai protecting momonosuke after wano and maybe visit the sea on her own cuz she is too overpowered

[drowsy marsh]

I think there are two groups now. The Yamato joins the strawhats and Yamato dies

[limpid sequoia]

after Wano Luffy has to be able to contest the other Yonko crews basically with just his crew so I don't think her being "overpowered" means anything, it's similar to Jinbei joining and people talking about the dynamic of the crew because Jinbei might have been stronger than Sanji but as we can see now, nothing has really changed and the monster trio still exists.

[heady parrot]

i’d prefer for Yamato to stay behind and protect Shogun Momonosuke as the Guardian of Wano. But it does seem like she’s being set up to join Luffy at least temporarily. I wouldn’t mind it but I’m also still not the biggest fan of Yamato as a character but that could change.

[reef oar]

I would rather Momonoske joining Luffy rather than Yamato

I think Oda has something different planned for Yamato that isn't just shoehorning in this character to join the crew

[fathom matrix]

never heard this other group. I assumed she would maybe go off on her own OR stay in wano for a bit before she leaves. Or maybe she does hitch a ride witb the strawhats but goes off for a bit later on.

[slate moon]

I could see her staying behind as apart of the crew. Maybe Luffy finally has an attachment to a place, where he claims his protection as a new Yonko. Wano might be the place and it could even be the crew more than Luffy because he doesn't care about any of that.

[limpid sequoia]

A major theme of the arc is identity, we've been told many times that both Momo and Yamato will never be Oden and shouldn't try to be, they have to make their own mark in the world. For Momo I'm pretty sure that just means him becoming the best Shogun possible, for Yamato it seems to be to go on her own journey and make a name for herself as a pirate either with or without Luffy. She's talked about protecting Wano but I think she also understands that Wano will be protected after Luffy brings the Dawn to Wano. Hence why she is risking everything just to buy time for Luffy.

[sand geode]

Yeah but she did read odens book so she knows everything and luffy wouldnt wont shortcuts like in sabaody so i would doubt it maybe also we havent seen sanjis moment yet jimbei defeated a 546 million man whike sanji fights a man over 1 billion

[limpid sequoia]

I can tell you with 100% certainty that the journal doesn't have everything we think it does, and even if it does it's as simple as Yamato respecting Luffy's wishes and just not saying anything in the same way that Rayleigh did

[sand geode]

True ig

[reef oar]

Yonko have territories claimed. So Luffy could have Wano as his territory after he defeats Kadio. Yamato can stay behind and be Shogun unitl Momo is ready. That's what I've always thought.

[modest skiff]

I agree with most of this. The one thing that I have trouble with is the fact that Kaido wanted Yamato to be shogun, not him. We have a few hints here and there that Kaido has special knowledge of Wano and other related topics. I wonder why Kaido intended for Yamato to be shogun. But to your point, if Kaido wanted Yamato to be shogun, it is very likely they join Luffy's crew.

[limpid sequoia]

momo got aged up and his arc as a leader is almost complete, he's going to be the shogun

[slate moon]

That's pretty much my belief as well

[sand geode]

Yeah but he still has the same mind? If im not wrong

[modest skiff]

I think the journal says a few specific things, though, namely:

1. Some serious shit happens in 20 years

2. A member of the Kozuki family is necessary for opening Wano. And events that occur in 20 years REQUIRE Wano to be "open". I think it means the process through which Wano is opened actually does a few other things which are very significant

[limpid sequoia]

yeah but all of Zou and Wano he's been developing as a leader, he's already shown in the raid that he is a capable leader and I'm sure he'll have another big moment soon where he becomes the new "god" of Wano

[drowsy marsh]

Are you the person from the Kuma theory?

[modest skiff]

lol yup that's me! Well, the Kuma theory that was posted here yesterday. Not sure where you saw it

[drowsy marsh]

I love that theory. I was first on the fence about it. But I kinda makes sense now

[modest skiff]

Awesome, I'm happy you like it! I was talking about it a long time ago with BrotherE and he helped me work through it.

[neon shoal]

Does anyone know how crocodile know poneglyph in alabasta?

[weak arrow]

I don't think we ever learn how.

[ancient vault]

no we dont know how

[neon shoal]

Hmm i see

Thanks

[ancient vault]

Though it was said he used to be someone who made it into the new world

[drowsy marsh]

Blackbeard might get Pluton

[neon shoal]

Honestly i dont think anyone knows where pluton is except nico robin

[weak arrow]

Probably will. Rip Alabasta's existence

Although it means Vivi no longer has a reason not to join

[modest skiff]

I'd like to mention something else, related to my theory that Momo has the ability to control Uranus and Zunesha through the same mechanism. This is from episode 990. I think this imagery felt very intentional.

Here are things I think we know:

1. Momo is under the impression he is 100% essential to opening Wano after reading Oden's journal

2. Momo knows that opening Wano is important for reasons that go beyond Wano

What we don't know:

1. Through what mechanism does Momo have the ability to open Wano?

My theory:

1. Momo either uses Uranus to open Wano through (???) or Momo is able to use some other Zunesha-sized animal to open Wano.

[drowsy marsh]

It is the perfect moment for Blackbeard. Alabasta in disarray

[ancient vault]

It should take a while for us to find out where BB went

[fathom matrix]

I doubt Oden would have put in what he's seen. I think he would have wanted Roger to keep it a secret and it was something they all got to see together, and didn't want to spoil it for anyone else who wanted to find it

[ancient vault]

The day he announced to leave was one day before the raid started. He technically shouldnt be able to get that fast to alabasta

[weak arrow]

Is it from the ability? Yes i think so.
Is it related to Uranus? Definitely not

[modest skiff]

What makes you think Uranus is out of the question? One thing I should mention is that I think the bird icon having 8 feathers, and mentioning Sanji and Zoro are Luffy's wings, and 8 dots being central throughout the story, has made me think Uranus is in some way revered by the 8 nations/groups/islands/whatever. I fully understand I have basically zero uranus evidence but I am curious what makes you say Uranus is out of the question. Do you have a Uranus theory?

Also @waxen dust since I posted my Kuma theory now you have to post your Uranus theory you've been teasing us with! 😄

[weak arrow]

Uranus as a name would not fit whatever Momo's power is. Also nothing we know from the flashback as to what oden wrote in the logbook is related to Uranus from what we've seen. It's just not fitting.

[drowsy marsh]

When Shiki confronted Roger. Shiki stated that Roger had a world destroying weapon. It couldn't be Uranus (if it is Momo)and neptunus (not born). It could have been Pluton.

[modest skiff]

Yeah, now that I think about it, even Zunesha is totally sufficient to open Wano. Zunesha could totally relocate all the islands themselves. Aiken, I will find my Uranus theory and link it to you for elaboration

#manga-theories message @drowsy marsh

[weak arrow]

The main issue is that Oden, who is a kozuki, did not have control over Zunesha like momo does. Oden also was on roger's ship and would have met what you think is uranus' egg and possibly uranus as well.

[waxen dust]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-yoda-patience-gif-21069694

[modest skiff]

My explanation for that is that Oden just knew a heroic, brave, totally chad Kozuki would open Wano. He assumed that meant him, not Momo, and that's why he thought he couldn't die. He was able to hear VOAT just like Momo I think. I think its possible he just had no idea what he was doing. Momo was totally powerless until suddenly he realized he could control Zunesha. It is possible that I am misremembering, but I think Oden never really TRIED to command Zunesha

[weak arrow]

It's said that "roger and oden could not communicate with it"

so take that as you wish

[modest skiff]

But you are right @weak arrow that there are more than a couple things that don't make sense. My memory tells me Momo couldn't either until he basically screamed in desperation

[weak arrow]

I know a lot of us are also waiting to learn what momo talked to zunesha about and maybe he used info from the logbook+ his talk with zunesha to realize he was necessary

[drowsy marsh]

I agree with the egg/weapon being Uranus, but I have to disagree with what the egg is. But we think the same

[weak arrow]

like they were 2 dots that connected

[drowsy marsh]

@modest skiff What is your theory about Pluton?

[modest skiff]

Yeah, fair enough Adam. I wouldn't say I'm terribly confident in my theory but its all I got!. @drowsy marsh honestly haven't really thought about it much. But the TLDR:

1. I think Pluton uses water as a weapon similar to the upstream

2. I think Pluton can be used to shoot islands from below to transport islands to the sky lands defensively

3. I think Pluton is under the ocean of Alabasta

gotta run for a bit, back later

[drowsy marsh]

@modest skiff Do you think Yamato will die?

[jade moon]

There’s way too many instances where she talks about getting killed..i want to be positive still

[tired osprey]

they did stay behind to talk right? i dont think we're getting rid of momo easily after wano

[weak arrow]

I'm not sure if i mistyped or you misread or im misreading but what do you mean. I just meant that maybe whatever momo talked about with zunesha was relevant to what he read in the logbook and he made some sort of connection and realized that he himself is necessary

[tired osprey]

i misread, but i like the connection you made

[native turret]

soooo why is ultis bounty lower than black marias when she can use haki

ulti is probably 2nd strongest in the tobi roppo

[bitter kraken]

Pluton could be a warship or sub like we have now

[storm junco]

pretty sure it just came out that all the tobi roppo have observation and armament

[native turret]

wtf then why didn’t they use it against the straw hats

[storm junco]

[weak arrow]

I mean Jack has never shown it either but has it. It just be how it be

[native turret]

unless you assume black maria was using armament on those knuckle dusters and general franky is just durable enough to tank haki attacks as well as thinking robin was coated in armament in demonio form then those fights didn’t make since and the tobi roppo should have won

[visual merlin]

They probably did use it too

we just didn't see

and yea, Maria probably used haki on her attacks, haki isn't the same strength for everyone, for most people it's not that strong, so yea Franky can take haki attacks, and Robin wasn't coated in armament, she's just strong enough to snap Maria's neck

don't really need haki to beat a haki user

I doubt the flying six are super proficient in it

[native turret]

i can believe franky shogun tanking haki attacks it’s just weird how he was able to land the laser shot when sasaki has armament and observation

[visual merlin]

why would that be weird though? observation doesn't mean you don't get hit, and armament doesn't mean you don't get hurt

especially for people like the flying six where their haki is probably not that good

[native turret]

seemed like anyone with haki was unbeatable to non haki users forever

[visual merlin]

it never really seemed like that lol

haki is only a big deal with people like the admirals or yonko honestly

and some commanders

for most characters, haki is just adding a little hardness to your body, and letting you notice certain things or predict certain attacks

[native turret]

luffy was getting shit on by sentamaru and boas sisters pre time skip and he’s a beast

[visual merlin]

He beat the boa sisters

Sentomaru was just stronger than him

but yea, he crushed the boa sisters once he went g2

[native turret]

i mean yeah sentomaru probably had actually good haki but i don’t remember him beating the boa sisters i thought he just used conq and then they just stopped fighting him

i remember him using jet pistol and one of the sister literally just put her hand up and it just completely negated the attack

[visual merlin]

Chapter 520 if you'd like to read through it

519 he fights them in base, is losing, then uses CoC when one of them is about to kill Margaret

then he goes g2 and in 520 he beats their asses

[slate torrent]

Yeah it definitely seemed like that. Haki was something that every strong fighter in the new world supposedly needed so it made it seem like that

[native turret]

did he actually like over power them or did he just come close to knocking them out of the ring

[visual merlin]

He actually overpowered them

[weak arrow]

i mean he clearly pushed marigold back there

[visual merlin]

again you can read 520 if you'd like

it'd be easier than me explaining every action

[native turret]

yeah i just went through it

[visual merlin]

Yea so haki has never really been that overpowered, for the majority of people its just a small boost honestly, it only really becomes a big deal when you get to the strongest commanders and up

Another example would be Hody biting through Luffy's haki

[native turret]

yeah i guess i can see franky taking the dub against sasaki then

id still probably put ulti above black maria though

[visual merlin]

Same, her having a lower bounty just means the WG thinks Maria is more of a threat

[native turret]

yeah

[weak arrow]

webs are also just extremely powerful and are even able to keep someone as strong as sanji locked up

[native turret]

i’d probably place them in order from strongest to weakest as WW - Ulti -X drake - BM - sasaki - page one

i’d put drake higher but the strongest person he’s fought is apoo

[ancient vault]

how old is maria

[grizzled fog]

I mean apoo is really strong lol

[visual merlin]

My list would be like Ulti - WW - Drake - Sasaki - Maria - P1

[ancient vault]

Could also just simply be that shes been a pirate longer than the rest

[visual merlin]

29

Ulti 22

[native turret]

what makes you think ulti is stronger than we

[visual merlin]

she's just got better feats

feats that I have a hard time believing WW could replicate

[rotund pine]

She took on big momw

[native turret]

and clashed with yamato

[rotund pine]

who's who also barely did anything except give some information

[native turret]

ulti kinda gives off the impression she has a lot more brute strength than ww

[visual merlin]

She's probably physically stronger, more durable, can endure more

whereas he's faster, and more versatile

Im not sure on who has stronger attacks tbh

[sand sail]

It's strange, I keep seeing Who's Who get placed over Ulti, but he really didn't do much to support it

[rotund pine]

Who's who bounty could be only high cause goverment wants him dead

[visual merlin]

I think its just because a lot of people already had that idea in their mind

[sand sail]

Ulti, I imagine, would have a stronger head on attack but Who's Who has a stronger variety

[ancient vault]

appearance is a big factor

[visual merlin]

people expected him to be the strongest, so its harder to convince them that he's lower down even when the feats come

[sand sail]

The first thing Ulti does in a fight is overpower Luffy tho

That's pretty good looks

[tender orchid]

kaido dies from giving luffy head

[native turret]

she was just physically stronger than base luffy

[ancient vault]

Well if you look at ww and ulti without feats WW looks objectively more badass and stronger tbh

[sand sail]

He just looks like a dude tho

[visual merlin]

yea design is probably part of it too

it shouldn't be, but that's how it is sometimes

[grizzled fog]

Muh portrayal.
It’s just because he acted super confident pretty much.

[sand sail]

Ulti mouthed off to Kaido

[native turret]

it’d be a lot easier to compare if we saw how he performed against shanks

[grizzled fog]

Uhh

[native turret]

obviously he got shit on but to what degree

[junior shoal]

How would that make anything easier tho

[visual merlin]

Well that was like 12+ years ago and Im not sure he fought shanks himself

[grizzled fog]

Highly doubt he did particularly well against shanks lol

[visual merlin]

that probably wouldn't tell us much

[grizzled fog]

Probably didn’t fight shanks himself, could’ve pretty easily gotten oneshot

And probably wasn’t as strong as he is now either

[native turret]

i like to think jinbeis stronger than sanji with no raid suit

definitely more durable

[grizzled fog]

Why definitely more durable

[junior shoal]

Why who is stronger being discussed in manga theories tho

[native turret]

sanjis just portrayed to not have the best durability, his pros are his speed and striking power

[grizzled fog]

He’s never been portrayed like that lol. He has exceptional durability and jinbe doesn’t really have a ton of durability feats that I can recall?

But this isn’t the channel. Move to #also-manga if you want to discuss further

[slate torrent]

People will die on the portrayal sword

[reef solstice]

Oden’s Journal Reading Scene Significance - I believe that the scene of Yamato and the 3 Samurai reading Oden’s journal is more important than a simple bonding moment. In short, Ushimaru and the other 2 Samurai could have been influenced by what was written in the journal since they would be three of only 5 (Momo, Yamato, 3 Samurai) characters that have read it, the first two having already shown behavioral changes after reading it. This could open up multiple avenues, some of which I’d like to discuss -

1. Ushimaru Shimotsuki is Ryokugyu. The symbolic similarities are aplenty: Ryoku uses the same kanji as Midori, meaning green, and Gyuu is another reading for the Kanji Ushi, meaning bull. Shimotsuki has green bulls on his cloak, and him being very likely related to Zoro adds on to the green symbolism. Contentions to this exist too, I’m aware, such as Shimotsuki’s age being ~70 which would be ‘too high for an admiral’, which is a fairly weak argument as age correlations with strength can be modified on an individual basis at Oda’s will. The other contention is his ‘confirmed death’, which is fairly strong, I will admit, but let’s gloss over it for now.

So what would Ushimaru have learned from the journal? In a nutshell, the existence of strong allies overseas. After Ushimaru’s defeat to Kaido, he would have fled Wano in an attempt to gather strong allies, and since the Marines have a common interest in defeating Kaido (given they can also maintain the world balance, of course), him becoming an Admiral is quite easily explained away here. Ryokugyu, however, was specifically stated to have been specially drafted into the navy like Fujitora, so his history before then would be unclear. Nevertheless, he likely had some sort of a connection to the marines before his conscription or was at the very least in the process of gathering allies.

Ushimaru’s aim, then, would be to wait for 20 years as stated in Oden’s journal for the next “Joyboy '', then strike Wano. So far, we have seen Akainu stating he didn’t want to get the Marines involved with Wano, but we can have Ryokugyu coming in regardless.

2. Ushimaru, at some point, asked his pregnant wife to travel to the East Blue because he read a prophecy or conjectured that the next Joyboy would be from there. This is assuming Zoro is Ushimaru’s son, in which case the reason for asking his wife to give birth to Zoro at Shimotsuki village could be just as easily explained away as it being already a home to some Shimotsuki. This is far more speculative than the previous train of thoughts, so just take this at face value

3. The other 2 Samurai (were they previous Daimyo?) did something of significance after reading Oden’s journal. I have far less to go off of on this one, so this is open to speculation as well.

((Overall, overanalyzing two panels goes brr))

[lean pine]

Probably because ulti raised by kaido

Also whowho defeated by jinbei it's not like he was defeated by someone weak jinbei is a former Warlord and a strong character

[exotic echo]

I'm not sure if I agree with a lot of this, BUT I fully agree they were influenced to do what they did based off of the journal. This panel is basically the same sort of rhetoric that roger & his crew talked about

[dusky acorn]

I'm not sure what's up with the reactions for your post, this is probably the best Ushimaru = Ryuokugyu theory I had the pleasure of reading

[pure raven]

so do you guys believe sanji will get another powerup through his body feeling off or no?

[dusky acorn]

Granted, our hindsight of the most recent chapter is what helps give the theory more strength compared to past reads I've done.
I didn't think about how what he could have possibly gained out of reading Oden's journal may have given him incentive to want to extend his life to the future, even if it meant sorta shamefully abandoning Wano for all those years

In order to build up strength for the future battle in his own way. I guess if Ushimura didn't die when we think he did, that gives greater chance for him to be Zoro's dad. Always felt a bit weird to me if Oda's been setting all this up for the guy just to be Zoro's grandpa or uncle instead. Father feels more in line with what Oda has done for other straw hats in the past

[exotic echo]

I think contextually, for me, the context of how the 3 of them leave the cave is too strong for me to think that Ushimaru would have left and then found himself as an admiral 20 years later.
Given the ideals of Wano samurai, generally I think it'd be out of character (despite us not knowing too much about them) for any of the 3 to leave the island. It'd also invalidate some older comments about what happened to them, although obviously those could just be wrong.

[tropic sedge]

Don't always know what Oda got planning tho

[dusky acorn]

Yeah, he's been stated to be dead both in story and vivre card. It's now even paired with the very resolute scene of his departure in the latest chapter, saying 20 years would be too much for him. The only thing I can point to is how a databook once said Sabo was dead too, but 'inaccuracies' like those are v rare to come by

[tropic sedge]

The sabo dead chapter had me down tbh

[weak arrow]

I'd say the biggest issue is that if Ushimaru being greenbull was something taht was going to be relevant, Ushimaru should have already arrived on wano. Unless he's about to appear and somehow be able to reach Onigashima, I really don't see how anything he ever does in the story will be of any relevance.

[tropic sedge]

Is his name confirmed to be Ushimaru or did I be an idiot and miss out the bit they call him that

[weak arrow]

yes it's ushimaru

[tropic sedge]

Damn, when was this said tho

[weak arrow]

back in the kawamatsu/onimaru flashback

[exotic echo]

Still though I think this is a well-thought out theory, regardless of whether or not I agree. Thanks for posting it

[tropic sedge]

So I missed it, damn

[weak arrow]

also i really don't like the idea of weakening the marine forces when it seems likely fuji/garp will already do so near the end of the series

Also odd to add Ushimaru when we already have the swordsman that is fujitora. Another specific swordsman seems a little extra.

[tropic sedge]

Ayo my brain clicked

Y'all talking about Ushimaru being the unknown admiral right ?

It'd kinda be genius to have Zoro's dad an admiral and luffy's the most wanted man. Sanji's being one of the biggest like armies ig

Or one of the smartest actually

[ancient vault]

What about Ushimarus son being greenbull?

[junior shoal]

That's gonna be zoro

[steady hinge]

updated my time travel theory if u guys want to check it out

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/pin4rl/one_piece_theory

[halcyon talon]

I like what I see

[surreal oriole]

I was thinking this aswell

Im convinced Zoro is related to Ushimaru in some way, possibly father or grandfather. And there is alot of symbolism connecting Ushimaru and the Green Bull admiral. Do the ages line up for Ushimaru's son to be Zoro' dad?and possibly the GB

[tribal belfry]

cant be grandfather. he looks too young to be a grandfather at that time

the flashback was only 20 years ago right?

[agile tangle]

What if ryokugyu has some sort of manticore fruit

[amber oar]

Oda has confirmed Nami is the most important person to be present when the One Piece is found
source?

[proven lion]

If that's the one piece I'd actually kill myself

[heady parrot]

what if its both the golden panties and time travel theory combined? you need a beautiful woman to wear the golden panties in order to travel back in time. brook will finally achieve his dreams of seeing someones panties.

[proven lion]

I invested so much time rereading and rewatching it for it to be a fucking pair of panties that grant wishes? Yeah fuck no.

[gloomy canyon]

@wise hinge Please keep this channel reserved for serious theories and discussion only. What you're saying doesn't sound serious at all

[proven lion]

Lol that shit wouldnt even be funny on a satire level.

And also where does it say oda confirmed nami is the most important person to be present when one piece is found

[gloomy canyon]

You do realize that's from a non canon episode

Again, keep it serious in here or don't use this channel

[proven lion]

Episode 407 is filler u fuckin wank

[gloomy canyon]

ok relax, no need for insults

[amber oar]

hold up
At first I stopped reading at the nami bit at the start honestly, because I'm not picking a theory based on fake info. Then saw the comments and I picked the rest
This is worse than the typical "gOd uSoPP wiLl tAkE aLL tHrEe aDmIRaLs" one liners

[proven lion]

Alright lol I just do not enjoy un funny person

[amber oar]

This is actually a pretty chill server, but if you're that fragile there's not much to do

oh, he already left

[proven lion]

That isnt a theory lol.. you got the whole idea from a filler episode.

[gloomy canyon]

Alright moving on

[proven lion]

Very chill lol my favorite one piece server by far.. I feel like most are toxic

[rotund pine]

Lmao "zoro will turn luffy in at the end and say he always a bounty hunter"

[lean pine]

Those obviously jokes

[amber oar]

the point isn't even that they're jokes (not the channel for them anyway), it's that they are lame, tryhard and tired

[lean pine]

Ah that makes sense

[neon shoal]

Does anyone know how world government able figure out roger got to raftel?

[left field]

Hmmm

I don't think that is directly answered

Roger did turn himself in to the government though (due to fatal illness), perhaps they learned about it from then?

[neon shoal]

But didnt news roger going to raftel or “conqueroring the grand line” reported after roger visited raftel? I think when after roger visit raftel, newspaper state roger successfully “conquerored the sea” and then roger surrender to navy. I wonder how did know roger “ conquered the sea” or went to raftel? That part really got me thinking

It not like world givernmwnt or reporter saw roger purate go to raftel. If world givernment saw roger pirate go to raftel, then the world government may try to destroy raftel, and eliminate any evidence from void century

So this is really confusing me how they figured out roger went ti raftel

[dusky acorn]

Who knows, maybe Morgans or whoever the main news reporter of the time was back then was keeping a close eye on Roger, as he'd surely be the root of many scoops. From there, they could have already had an idea he was aiming for Laugh Tale during his final years. No one would have spotted him going to wherever Laugh Tale is if the location is still a mystery as you say, but perhaps seeing him return and do his full circumnavigation of the Grand Line was proof enough. Paired with Roger publically gloating with joy maybe? Nonetheless, they capitalised to make the scoop spread as we see in that picture, and it became widespread knowledge

[weak arrow]

Im just gonna assume roger literally told garp and then garp told kong and boom news

[agile tangle]

Manticores have manes which could be the long hair we see him have. In some variations, they also have horns which might fit the bull part and bulls are associated with strength and power which manticores are known for

[wintry pelican]

Act 4 ends soon

[dusky acorn]

I presume you meant to say Act 3? That's the number we're currently at. We're still waiting to see if there's going to be more acts than that

[upbeat mist]

no no act 4

1 chapter left of 3 then a 4 chapter long act 4 it's very close

[weak kiln]

Hope it’s not another backstory

[dusky acorn]

Please don't play along with others inaccurate statements to form joke theories on the spot

[reef oar]

Think act 3 is ending in like 10 chapters

A great tragedy would be momo dying

But I’ve always thought Kaido would be killing law so that might still be the case even if not that likely

[ancient vault]

Yamato is dying. Act wont end tho

[pure raven]

Hoping for kaidos backstory .

[slate torrent]

That makes a lot of sense. The great “tragedy”

[stoic reef]

Zoro will defeat kaido. Luffy will defeat Big Mom.

[ancient vault]

Wanna see more fun nummerology jugol?

its yuderon level

[waxen dust]

Yuderon mid tho

[ancient vault]

ZKK

It was also foreshadowed by the Cover Art of Chapter 784 in which zoro is sitting on a grave stone with the number 944 on it while wearing a shirt with a skull which symbols death and the word ultima on it which means final (which probably means the final act of wano). Previously people thought that this would foreshadow zoros death but we know oda wouldn't kill a main character, but recently the relased vivre card of Kaido has the number 0944 on it. Why would Oda choose this number on Kaidos vivre card? Coincidence? I don't think so. There is also another grave stone next to the one on which zoro is sitting where it says DECEMBER 20. Which means that Kaido will fall on that specific date. And December 20th is a Monday ok whcih Shonen Jump is released

[amber oar]

you put 0994 as Kaido's card, but I checked and it's indeed 0944, so it's not ruined

that's interesting, I was just typing something involving vivre card numbers.

[ancient vault]

Oh its a copy pasta

corrected it

its indeed interesting but I fonz want ZKK

[waxen dust]

ZKK could be possible, but somehow Zoro will need to defeat King and then find his way back to the roof. Unless the raid fails and Zoro fights Kaido later

[heady parrot]

is there a big post anywhere or youtube video for the zkk theory? it sounds interesting.

[amber oar]

and also still hold on the effects of the medicine

[ancient vault]

no itd judt zorotards screaming Zoro Kills Kaido for like a year or two now

Theres not a big theory tat started all of this really

[waxen dust]

Someone suggested Wano ends on 1092 because the numbers translate as Wano Kuni, which I find amusing.

So I can see a multitude of possibilities IF the arc were to last that long; ZKK would be one of them in a weird way

[ancient vault]

I saw another. ZKK on chapter 1060 or so

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/525141654127247399/844182557481631824/unknown.png

Numerology to strong

[amber oar]

The Arabic sholars who developed the numeric system are rolling in their graves

[hallow cliff]

I have a theory that Blackbeard has a hippo zoan as a third devil fruit due to the fact that oda has already said his animal counterpart is a hippo and that a hippo has 3 stomachs (3 stomach chambers). So maybe this would allow for the consumption of 2 extra devil fruits for those two extra stomachs.

But probably not.

[amber oar]

if it was as simple as the hippo zoan someone would have done it before.
if the gorosei said nobody has done it before, in a private reunion where they have nothing to hide from anyone, it's because nobody has done it before

[hallow cliff]

Yeah, plus then a cow zoan would be op as it has 4 stomachs.
I’m thinking more to the idea that Blackbeard might still have 3 stomachs like a hippo which is one reason it’s his animal counterpart but more that he was just born that way. Like maybe that triplets consumed in the womb theory gave him 2 extra stomachs.

[ancient vault]

I would personally find it a bit lame if its just "oh he has an additional organ"

[mild kite]

https://youtu.be/Tm_MU4PF_PE

[heady parrot]

omg it’s so long

[amber oar]

anwyay... talking about vivre card numbers.

[mild kite]

Yea lol

[amber oar]

as I said I've been messing around with vivre card listing and found something interesting.

• 1. each named character, even minor ones, has a number assigned.
• 2. Vivre Cards include a page called "EX Characters", with small description of minor characters and their respective numbers.
• 3. each pack brings an EX card with characters of the corresponding arc, and another with pending EX characters from past arcs
• 4. the latest packs included some characters from between Skypiea and Foxy arcs, up to #356 (Gina, the shipwright at Foxy Pirates that Sanji wanted to recruit)
• 5. Up to #361, there are only 7 unused numbers in total. #234, #236, and between #256 and #260
• 6. Card numbers roughly correlate with introduction order, with some exceptions (ex. all the SHs, Vivi and both ships included, listed at the beginning)
• 7. Given introduction time, #256-#260 are very obviously the Gorosei. That leaves #234 and #236
• 8. #233 is Dr. Potsun, the doctor who cured Pell (ch.217). #235 is Masira (ch.219). #237 is Roshio (ch.222)
• 9. Between Potsun and Masira's introductions, the SHs were exploring St. Briss, the ship that fell from the sky after Alabasta. No new alive characters featured, except a giant turtle. The key is the word "alive". Robin uses her archeology knowledge to describe how the skull was when alive, we see him in panel
• 10. Between Masira and Roshio, the SHs kept exploring the sunken ship, Sanji saw a photo with a lady, Jaya is shown for the first time with some background pirates. Van Auger and Jesus Burgess appear before Roshio, but for some reason their numbers are #272 and #273, and their cards list ch234 as their introduction. Perhaps vivre card listings use formal introduction for important characters.

The oddity of those two slots being left unused among 350+ brings me to the conclusion that St. Briss will be brought again with relevant bits of info. If I had to predict, #234 is the skull Robin analyzed and #236 is the lady in the photo.

EDIT for clarity: #353 and #358 are unused, but from introduction chapter they can't be anyone else than Goro (Koza's uncle who met Gedatsu, in his cover story), and Yokozuna (Tom's pet frog), respectively. They should appear in the next Booster Pack as EX characters, probably.

[waxen dust]

I am still curious about this woman and the ship

[ancient vault]

Very very good catch jugol

[waxen dust]

glad someone else hasn’t lost faith in them being relevant

[ancient vault]

Nvm those were others iirc

[waxen dust]

Was that ship a pirate ship?

[mild kite]

How bout the ape that appears to salvage the ship?

What # is he?

[waxen dust]

Masira is the ape 🦧

[onyx terrace]

i think that gol d roger is the pirate king

[waxen dust]

serious theories only dude

[onyx terrace]

that is serious...

[mild kite]

Id never want to be a helper/mod lol

[amber oar]

Masira? #235

[mild kite]

Oh.

[supple anchor]

wow what a catch

[ancient vault]

Why are onl his teeth well reserved?

[mild kite]

Robin says it's due to the tar on his teeth

[supple anchor]

200 years ago, i cant think of anything that happened 200 years ago

[waxen dust]

Universal healthcare

[ancient vault]

based

[hallow cliff]

Anyone got any gear 5 or awakening theories for luffy?

[modest skiff]

This is great work

[wintry pelican]

No

[wintry pelican]

I think she could be important

[hallow cliff]

[solid badger]

December 20th is roughly 12 chapters from now at best with breaks.
Kaido is the last to fall and we need to get through

Raizo vs fokurokuju
Inu vs Jack
Neko vs peros
Killer vs Hawkins
Zoro sanji vs king queen

I suspect that BM won’t be taken down by kid and law before kaido gets taken down by luffy, the two might be able to stall her til the end and something else might happen. Nonetheless all those current fights and luffy vs kaido will take more than 12 chapters from now

Taking kaido down in 12 chapters is only possible if all of those fights are mostly off screened except maybe for sanji and Zoro.

[grizzled fog]

The first four won’t be chapter long fights most likely, maybe a chapter at most for each, but I doubt it

[ancient vault]

inu neko are gonna be resolved in the same chapter probably with inu dying

[exotic echo]

This is gold

[silk rain]

but why tho?? now im rereading everything in those chapters to make sure there isnt any hints we've missed 😂

probably not hints but there is a map in chapter 220 which is extremely wrong on Oda's part probably

[ancient vault]

fats in #manga-theories a rare sight

[ancient vault]

post it

[exotic echo]

i lurk

[silk rain]

• Apparently laboon inherited the will of a whale.. cus there is a picture of a whale right in front of reverse mountain on a 200 year old ship.
• Also there is an unknown object at the other side of the redline
• The ship is in the east blue but the st. briss was from the briss kingdom in the south blue

However a counter-argument to the last point is the fact that the figurehead of the ship in the anime is not pointy but in fact a picture of some type of lizard/reptile, which is also the same as an artifact that was also found on the ship in the manga. But then again, the Manga draws the figurehead of the ship as pointy again in chapter 242. Just saying theres a possibility the ship on the map might not be significant because it might not reflect the actual ship itself. Ima rewatch the anime scene too

[ancient vault]

@silk rain post the colored panel

[quaint haven]

Hi all, are there any new theories regarding BB an how he obtained WBs devil fruit? I had a idea the other day about how big mom obtained mother's devil fruit. Its basically implied she ate her, so could it be eating the flesh of a devil fruit user means u get their powers or a specific part of their body?

[wintry pelican]

Yup

[ancient vault]

No

[wintry pelican]

Yup

[ancient vault]

Wbs body was untouched after BB stole the fruit. That was said in the manga. The only reason why Big Mom got carmels fruit was because she ate her as a whole

[wintry pelican]

Yup

[hallow cliff]

Blackbeard sucked off whitebard

[waxen light]

This is a channel for serious discussion.

[quaint haven]

@ancient vault but that still means eating a devil fruit user means u obtain their powers. I feel like that's quite big news not being focused on

[hallow cliff]

Apologies

[wintry pelican]

Yup

[hallow cliff]

Luffy ate crocodile

[wintry pelican]

Yup

[silk rain]

Idk how to get colored panels but i found this one

[ancient vault]

stop spamming yup

[hallow cliff]

If luffy kept aces devil fruit then he could use it as an instant kill for any devil fruit enemies by force feeding them it and making them explode due to having two devil fruits.

[ancient vault]

@silk rain google mangasee123 one piecr colored

[quaint haven]

Not his actuall body tho just what his power creates? Like luffy eating crackers crackers

WB had holes all over his body, BB could have taken a organ from inside an nobody noticed

[wintry pelican]

Yup

[quaint haven]

Just a idea anyway was interested to see if their where any big theories out there

[hallow cliff]

Or just eaten a piece of his hair

[ancient vault]

if it waa that easy ig wouldve been done before

[silk rain]

alright thanks. I guess I found the same version on a different website. By the way the ship's figurehead doesn't match the ship on the map so it might just be oda

[ancient vault]

Its not like we have psychos all over one piece

[silk rain]

but the laboon is a big plot hole lol

[ancient vault]

@silk rain can u zoom in on the colored map

if theres anything visible

[ancient vault]

it looks a bit like a marine ship

[silk rain]

It definitely could be

[ancient vault]

whats on the other side of reverse mountain

[timid trellis]

ya he must have a big hole

haaaaaa you still typing

stillllll

i can see you 👀 ✌️ 👀

bruhh you stop typing now 🙁

[silk rain]

Its a creature or an object of some kind because it doesnt follow the shading or shape for ships or land masses which will unfortunately give more food for the roger egg theories

that also means one of these three are true:

1. someone explored the entirety of the grand line and either made it out to sell/give map(s)
2. this crew has already sailed the grand line
3. its a marine map which would explain the possible marine ship

But in the anime the map wasn't shown I just watched the episode

[distant mason]

it might be fully possible that one can sail there. Laugh tale is last island but not the literal end

[true adder]

what're the roger egg theories

[hallow cliff]

I heard one where people thought The egg was Kaido

[shut basin]

I don't think that is possible bro - Kaido devils fruit is based from Koi one, which not coming from egg tho

[hallow cliff]

Maybe it’s Yamato?

She does have those horns that aren’t related to her devil fruit?

[pure raven]

maybe thats a map with god valley still on it

the structure near reverse mountain

[quaint haven]

Anybody else ever thought BB looks similar to some fishmen art? I dunno what it is but iv always thought the way he's been drawn reminds me of characters like hody

His lips for example. Are drawn like a lot of fishmen have. Jack also looks human but we learn he's a fishman. I'm not saying BB is a fishman just that iv always thought of it whenever iv seen him

[unkempt cosmos]

ect?

[unkempt cosmos]

jack the drought? where was it mentions he was fishman?

[jagged yacht]

wonder if Kaido can talk with fishes or maybe sea kings

[quaint haven]

Not sure if relevant or not but notice how Jack's belt has 8 bones or 4 depending on how u view it same as blackbeards

Maybe it's a fishman thing

[weary cliff]

That's just part of Kaido's jolly roger

[quaint haven]

Kaido has a koi fish devil fruit? And obviously isn't human he had his horns pre devil fruit?

[timid trellis]

yea

[weary cliff]

He has a dragon devil fruit. And he is a human, horns be weird

[timid trellis]

bruh its koi wym

[quaint haven]

Yamato has the horns too

[robust kayak]

He could be human and ancient giant(Oars) hybrid.

[timid trellis]

yea and i find it funny that moria thinks oars could take kaido down 😂

[hallow cliff]

We still haven’t really seen zoan awakenings. Like we kind of did in impel down but I think there’s more to them

Do you think kiados dragon form is his devil fruit awakening?

[timid trellis]

i thought lucci was an awakened

[hallow cliff]

What made you think that?

[timid trellis]

yea i guess so his non awakened form is probably like magikarp and this is gyarados

[hallow cliff]

But the story goes that a koi fish swam up a water fall and became a dragon. Obviously that’s not what Kaido did because he can’t swim as a devil fruit user.

But also a fish zoan on its own would be weird. I imagine you could still live on land as you’re half human but yeah.

[timid trellis]

guess his fruit allows him to breath but not swim

like he said even sea couldnt kill him

[hallow cliff]

I wonder if fishmen could be related to kiados dragon fruit at all? Like have we seen a koi fish man?

[unkempt cosmos]

he's half fishman i think ||jack|| which explains him surviving falling into the ocean

[jovial patrol]

Y'all think a water fruit could exist?

[unkempt cosmos]

maybe

[jovial patrol]

Not at all

Done piece is the weakess theorie i have ever heard

[unkempt cosmos]

sky island not likely

[hallow cliff]

There was that liquid liquid fruit from one movie (it’s non canon but).

I think it was more of a jelly though.

[jovial patrol]

But im just thinking where the f is the kaidos road poneglyphe we never heard about it for a while

[hallow cliff]

You guys heard the theory about how he is the road poleglyphe?

[hallow cliff]

Didn’t law see it when he went to the basement before going to the top of the roof?

[jovial patrol]

Maybe that why he stay in wano

[hallow cliff]

There’s also a theory that he might have 2 or that the one he has now is one that shanks gave him. As shanks intervened with him going to marineford to kill whitebeard. Some believe instead of fighting that shanks just offered him a poneglyphe

[jovial patrol]

I don't know to be honest i remember it was a simple poneglyphe

No shank is the key why the world is not falling off he have to protect that poneglyphe and give it to joyboy.

[hallow cliff]

I think shanks gave it to kiado knowing that even if he had it because of the kind of person he is he wouldn’t be able to get to one piece.

What about this for an ending scene? Shanks dies and luffy returns his hat to shanks grave?

What do you guys think about the theory of it being monosuke, luffy, yamamoto and marco against Kaido?

From that old Japanese story about the peach boy (momonosuke I think translate to peach) by befriending animals which he fed kebidongos (whatever otama feeds the smile users) and ends up with a dog (yamamoto) a monkey (luffy) and a pheasant (marco). To go fight ogres/oni on onigashima.

[cyan solar]

Monkey D? Dragon has hantei hantei no mi (judgement judgement fruit)

[hollow dust]

We don’t know dragons fruit yet

[cyan solar]

Ya

[hallow cliff]

I think wind

[cyan solar]

M waiting for complete Zoro's dad reveal

[hallow cliff]

I like the theory of him being a former admiral and so has a wind logia

[cyan solar]

Imagine if Joy Boy appears to end kaido vs luffy👀

[hallow cliff]

Joy boy is dead!

[cyan solar]

Ya but Oden said he might come back to life

[hallow cliff]

The will of joy boy

[hollow dust]

Dragon is Uranus, shirahoshi is Poseidon, Pluton is the ship. One piece is the combination of all the oceans, they will use shirahoshi to have the sea kings pull fish man island away from the bottom of marijois and then use pluton to destroy all the big islands like reverse mountain and marijois with pluton. Then use Uranus, (dragon) to change the way the calm belt works and it will combine all the oceans into all blue. Aka one piece

[cyan solar]

I am waiting for gomu gomu no mi to be awakened it'll too awesome

[hallow cliff]

Rubber world

[cyan solar]

Any thoughts about Noah?

[hallow cliff]

Noah idea

[cyan solar]

Even the sea kings mentioned "he can come" or something like that in the fishman arc and they were worried abot Noah to get destroyed

Can it be that One Piece was actually Joy Boy's Treasure

[teal nymph]

still waiting get more info on y /what WG wanted it for

[cyan solar]

??

[hollow dust]

Dragon is Uranus, shirahoshi is Poseidon, Pluton is the ship. One piece is the combination of all the oceans, they will use shirahoshi to have the sea kings pull fish man island away from the bottom of marijois and then use pluton to destroy all the big islands like reverse mountain and marijois with pluton. Then use Uranus, (dragon) to change the way the calm belt works and it will combine all the oceans into all blue. Aka one piece

[cyan solar]

Nah it's the Powa of frndship👒😂

[teal nymph]

remember when Who's who was guarding Gum gum fruit just more info on that

[cyan solar]

Can be that Joy Boy had the gum fum fruit and when he was dying someone had a fruit in pocket, and if luffy awakens his frut he becomes joy Boy/ joy Boy gets revived

[hollow dust]

Joyboy is not a persons name it’s confirmed joyboy is a title

But no, I think somehow the straw hat has something to do with it because even luffy himself says that he has to return the hat to shanks one day

[cyan solar]

Yah

[hollow dust]

And the fact that the giant straw hat that’s frozen under marijois

[cyan solar]

Luffy has some similarities with joy bow straw hat, always smiling, almost samy body

[hollow dust]

Well I’d say joyboy is luffy because of how charismatic he is and how he can make even his enemies his friends

[cyan solar]

Yes

[hollow dust]

Cause honestly that’s the only logical reasoning behind the way that luffy can bring people together

[cyan solar]

Powa of frndship=one piece

[hollow dust]

Nooo I still feel like one piece is all blue, when they combine all the worlds oceans

[cyan solar]

Nah

[teal nymph]

lol u don't have to be joyboy to bring ppl together

[cyan solar]

Was Noah Joy Boy's ship?

[hollow dust]

Yea honestly with the ancient weapons, the WG doesn’t want all blue because they want to be able to control people , with the ancient weapons they have the power to change the world, aka one piece, all blue. All over the world, they can change the lands, oceans and air

[cyan solar]

Ooh I almost forgot about itttt......
When the sea kings drag Noah they say "they might come to repair this soon"

[hollow dust]

Get rid of the calm belt etc

[cyan solar]

One Piece wouldn't be dis long if Akainu was the MC 😂

I hope a ship full of cotton candy is one piece

[jovial patrol]

joyboy is luffy

[native obsidian]

hh

[unkempt cosmos]

source?

[hollow dust]

so the original joyboy also wore a straw hat

[tawdry bramble]

It’s just a fan drawing.

[reef oar]

The giant straw hat at marijoa makes people think Joyboy is a giant.

[bitter kraken]

We don’t even know if the giant straw hat belonged to joy boy or not

[reef oar]

I like the Theroy that the giant straw hat is some sort of weapon that let's Imu see the future. He was the only one going down into that room, which practically looked like a freezer. Would it not be an incredibly powerful weapon if the world government had an ability to see who is going to cause them problems next? Luffy is obviously a big disruption from the equilibrium of the world government.

[amber oar]

That's like four kana (ハンテイ), too much for a df name.

DF names have two kana repeated twice, at most two plus a small kana (dunno if those have a name) used for combinations like kyu, kyo, etc (ex. ニキュ Nikyu).

[hallow cliff]

Judge judge fruit

Anyone have any fan made devil fruit ideas?

[cyan solar]

Zeus Zeus Fruit??? Maybe??

[sturdy hound]

they are just called small kana, yes. ュ would just be called "chisai yu" (small yu), but キュ as a whole is called a diacritic

[static surge]

cloud cloud fruit
you make clouds(any type:thunder clouds, acid rain clouds, the skypeia clouds etc., is logia type)

[sturdy hound]

kinda already exists as the goro goro. a god zoan would be cool tho, akin to sengoku's

[static surge]

Indra?

[hallow cliff]

I had an idea like that but not that you become a cloud. Instead whatever you touch can transform into water vapour and float up into the sky as a cloud and then make it rain that material. So a box of knives or some boulders would become clouds and then rain down boulders and knives.

[static surge]

my idea was: the user can blow up into mist and then rain down or manipulate the weather(it would be cool if it wasnt affected by sea water as normal fruits were because it is literally water)

[sturdy hound]

why indra? enel was already based on raijin, the japanese god of lightning, so why go with the father of gods

[static surge]

irdk

are there any water zoans, like the axolotl fruit, and will they be immune to sea water?

[hallow cliff]

Yeah

That one Caesar made was an axolotl or salamander and then died.

[static surge]

other than that

[amber oar]

Mythical zoans will never not be cool, but they're almost reaching the amount of logias. The "rarer than Logia" argument dissolves over time.

Lost count, I think Onimaru is like the seventh?

[hallow cliff]

An idea I had which is a bit cliche is a cherry blossom logia which can cut people. Basically like byakua’s Bandai from bleach.

Or maybe autumn leaves instead?

[amber oar]

Ryuo tho

[hallow cliff]

The cherry blossoms are animal only special add on effects

What about this for a logia?
A cotton cotton fruit?
Cotton is a naturally occurring substance. The user would be able to make elastic bandages out of their cotton which they can stretch with (maybe like having a mummy form) or wrap things around and use haki to encase. Also they have a form called teddy bear where they make the inside of themselves cotton like a stuffed teddy bear in order to absorb impact.

Because if someone used haki it wouldn’t cancel out their ability because only the inside of them is haki not the outside and so a lot of shock would be absorbed. You’d need ryou in order to actually have your haki affect their inside. (they would still take damage from normal attacks or normal haki but just not as much).

[static surge]

9 logias

[static surge]

most likely to be a paramecia

could be used like how katakuri uses dough

[uncut heart]

Dont know if someone has suggested previously, but if Franky is Sasaki's son?

[weary cliff]

Sasaki is 34. Franky is even older

[unkempt cosmos]

^

[pure raven]

Or did oda talk about luffys mother cuz that would explain everything
Like queen said people cannot just use fire sanji uses it is maybe cuz his father whk tried to change him into enhanced human or his mother homeland and i would say the same for luffy

[modest silo]

Hear me out what if Toki sent Zoro 10 years further than herself. Meaning Zoro could've still been born in East Blue. So, Ryuma decided to ask Toki to send his son into the future.

[marble skiff]

I think he has said that he has shown luffys mom in the revolutionary base

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/3kw119/luffys_mom_description_from_oda/?utm_source=amp&utm_medium=&utm_content=post_body

[quasi roost]

Then Zoro would have known who Ryuma was, he wouldn;t say I have heard alot of tales about you or whatever he said when Zoro and Ryuma's Zombie fought.

[modest silo]

Zoro was 1 years old?

[quasi roost]

The one that makes most sense for me If Zoro is from Wano is, Ushimaru knew the destructive power of Kaido, so sent his pregnant wife through the only open port in the country in Hakumai. The mother dies in child birth in east blue, and zoro grows up in the Dojo not knowing anything regarding his parents. That would also fit in with why Yasuie immediately attached to zoro and took him to ebisu town as well. As Yasuie knew about the ship leaving and recognised Zoro as the probable child of Ushimaru

[modest silo]

Crazy part is, the entire village is under the Shimotsuki clan as well 🤔

[quasi roost]

but he was born in East Blue and The Samurai from Wano only got into east blue 55 years ago. Ryuma was around 400 years old or something like that so him being child of Ryuma doesn't make sense

[quasi roost]

Exactly why Ushimaru and Yasuie might have known about it since both are shimotsuki

[amber oar]

How would they have learned about it tho, whatsapp?

[modest silo]

Maybe Ushimaru's brother left to east blue. So, Ushimaru wife maybe with them.

[quasi roost]

Oda said a ship sailed from Wano for an adventure 55 years ago, Kozaburo snuck away on that ship, perhaps few of them returned back from that voyage, as we were not told how many left and if everyone stayed in that village. All we were told is, in East Blue, these Wano samurai saved a few people from mountain bandits and that is where Kozaburo fell in love with a girl he rescued so stayed behind to create the village

[amber oar]

It's an isolated country in a world with quite poor communication, not even WB knew what was going on in Wano. Apparently only Kaido introduced den den mushi to the island.

Ushimaru and Yasuie 100% must remember the ship left Wano, but I doubt they knew what happened afterwards

[quasi roost]

Yeah we have to see how Oda might tell the story,

[modest silo]

Maybe they snuck on Kaido's ship

[quasi roost]

Ushimaru and Onimaru are also based on Yoshitsune and Benkai. There is a myth that Yoshitsune when he was betrayed in his battle and killed, his mistress fled with an unborn child . So perhaps Ushimaru sent his wife away before the Oden Execution because he was scared of Kaido's monstrous power and did not want to risk his child. it is still mysterious

[modest skiff]

Yeah I'm assuming there was a bit of a refugee boat that left in the midst of everything

"Shit is about to get wild, hop on this boat and I'll come get you if things work out. But prob not"

[modest silo]

Had to have been within a 22 year timespan

[quasi roost]

Yeah, sent her away 22 years ago because he saw the true power of Kaido who fought with Moria in Ringo region 23 years ago.

[modest silo]

They left 22 years ago and made it to east blue around about october-november, but had to make a stop due to Zoro's mom going into labor.

[quasi roost]

Yeah where the mom passes away due to labour.

[modest silo]

The only people knowing of Zoro's true heritage being Koushiro's father and Zoro's mom.

[quasi roost]

probably we have to see how oda will tell the story

[modest skiff]

One thing that may be worth wondering is why they went towards the East Blue. Based on this image, the East Blue was not the easiest place to reach. I've assumed people in Wano are able to use the gold fish to sail across the calm belt, but maybe I am wrong. Its not clear to me why they would feel like they need to leave the grand line

I had trouble finding an English version of this. I don't speak whatever language this is, so forgive me, but this had Wano and stuff so I thought it might be helpful in figuring out why they would go towards East Blue. Makes me think it is possible they knew of people in the East Blue who could help them. Perhaps I am missing something?

[quasi roost]

Possibly, how they ended up in East Blue is very telling

[modest skiff]

Yeah from my perspective it is probably not easy to navigate the waters that go past Elbaf and whatnot, so you need a good reason to reach the red line from there all for the sake of specifically the east blue. I think they had some sort of "we need to head to the east blue due to (blank)" perspective, but I can't really think of anything. I don't remember if any of the nations with "8" symbolism (like Alabasta, Wano, FMI etc) were in East Blue

[modest silo]

Maybe they wanted to get out of Yonko territory?

[thick halo]

so with the recent chapter is it ussop has CoC confirmed because it's now one of his lies?

[quasi roost]

55 years ago, so it was Sukuyaki ruling Wano, none of the yonkous, so maybe they were trying to find poneglyphs? just as sake of an adventure?

[modest skiff]

No, not confirmed

[quasi roost]

It is the second time he has lied about it, Maybe he will get it in the future but he doesn't have it now.

[thick halo]

confirmed was a was hyperbole

[modest skiff]

This channel is for serious theories, so if you aren't being serious, better to post that sort of thing in the manga channels. But if you are serious and have support for that, please feel free to elaborate

[thick halo]

I mean the ussop lies become truth is a very common theory. how is it not a topic for discussion

[modest silo]

Next three arc are finna be big, New Marineford? God Valley? Im-Sama?

[thick halo]

no elbaf? that needs to come pretty soon

[modest skiff]

Some people post the Usopp stuff as a meme, some people are serious. But if you are being serious, nothing wrong with that

[modest silo]

Elbaf for sure

[thick halo]

ah sorry then. I mean coc confirmed as a hyperbole however I was serious that it seems like it's possible as I have some stock into the lies turn truth thing oda has going on.

[modest skiff]

I do think it is also possible. Mihawk had an off-hand comment about how people with CoC are naturally followed by others, as if they give off some sort of aura that leads people to be drawn to them and be commanded by them. Usopp is generally a coward, but he has had times of glory, such as Dressrosa, so I don't think the CoC theory is in the dirt, but as it stands, it would feel strange.

[thick halo]

If we take Usopp 8 million follower's lie as a potential lie -> truth, it might make sense to have CoC. Just an amousing thought

[modest silo]

Sogeking...

[lone hedge]

nar#7114 was banned!

[modest silo]

What?

[sand sail]

Don't worry about it

[modest skiff]

Bean that was downright impressive quick draw skills

[quasi roost]

Ooh damn what did that person post

[pure raven]

Is this channel only limited to One Piece theories?

[modest skiff]

Yes, for discussion on other stories, go to #other-series

[patent coral]

shimotsukis just get lost it's in their dna

[tacit veldt]

Honestly i really hope we make a short stop at Beehive Island, i want to see the One piece version of a pirate paradise reminiscent of Nassau and the Caribbean pirates

[modest skiff]

This is a legitimately great theory. For all we know they were trying to reach Alabasta

[patent coral]

or jaya/skypiea... ended up on the other side of the calm belt and i bet they didn't even realize

[smoky basin]

what if luffy travels back in time and changes his name to be roger and then becomes pirate king to then influence his own future self to be pirate king in this kind of fucked up time loop and rocks gets caught up in this but rox is actually just blackbeard getting caught up in the timeloop and thats when god valley happens, but because roger is luffy and garp knows this they work together to defeat blackbeard. then the theory of roger having the gomu gomu no mi would also come true.

[slate moon]

So I have been thinking about the possible Kaido flashback. I don't believe he will have anything regarding God Valley or his time with Rocks.

I feel like it will involve mainly his time post Rocks and establishing his own crew along with his settling down in Wano. The only information regarding Rocks maybe why Wano is important, which we know is most likely about JoyBoy's return (I believe we get Xebec info with BB's flashback).

The other portion will be with the WG. CP0 being in Wano makes me believe the majority of the flashback will have information about his capture and the likelihood of his initial meeting with King and Queen at the facility with Vegapunk. Especially after Luffy and Momo make it to the rooftop.

Kaido seeing Momo in dragon form will spark the emotions to the flashback

[quasi roost]

OOOH yes please!!

[worn walrus]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[ancient vault]

Numbers

[dusky acorn]

I still feel like following someone's perspective such as Kaido is the likliest way to see Rocks alive in the flesh during a flashback. Blackbeard will be able to give us more Rocks info and why he idolises him, but he won't be able to literally think back to a time of Rocks being alive, (if there is a closer connection between them) given Blackbeard's age and the time Rocks died.

There's rarer instances like Noland and Calgara where the flashback sorta just.. begins without someone in the present actually flashing back to it, but more often than not flashbacks in the series start due to someone openly reminiscing about the past. Nojiko for Nami's, Zoro's, Big Mom's, Yamato in this latest chapter, etc.

[ancient vault]

Why would we get a Xebec flashback with BB when BB most likely never met him

[upbeat mist]

xebec poneglyph

[slate moon]

If he inherited his will

[slate moon]

It could happen with other flashbacks, Sengoku, BM, Garp, maybe Imu or others that had interactions with Rocks to name a few.

[tidal tangle]

it would make way more sense if it was with kaidos flashback

[quasi roost]

Maybe we will get a Xebec Flashback when Dragon talks about the history and his motivations? Like Dragon heard about Xebec through garp Perhaps?

[bright eagle]

I theorized that we will have a buffer arc before the final war where the SH trains. We now have Usopp with his CoO and maybe Zoro with his CoC. These two need to train their new Haki.

I also wouldn't mind if this buffer arc is focused more on the rest of SH training to get basic Haki and more explanation for Haki itself. It'll bothered me that not all SH member have Haki when the final war starts because I'm sure that top tier enemy combatant will have Haki.

[tidal tangle]

it would tie in with how kaido knows about joyboy

and stuff

the flashback could begin with him being an apprentice in rocks to his settling in wano

[slate moon]

We've been given multiple things during the arc connecting Vegapunk and WG to not be the primary flashback imo. The smiles fruits, Momo, Kaido being experimented on, Who's Who, Queen having the connection and CP0 there waiting to make sure secrets are kept secret. Just seems to me that will be the main focus of said flashback. 🤷‍♂️

[ancient vault]

thats not how this works. Luffy also didnt get a random roger flashback

[tidal tangle]

^

[slate moon]

It works how Oda wants it to work, so it's not like we have it figured out. It's a theory/opinion I see happening.

[ancient vault]

[slate moon]

And who says we get a Rocks flashback. Now I could see it happening either way. Wouldn't shock me, I feel the main focus of Kaido's flashback will be about establishing himself and crew along with the WG capture and experiments done on him regarding Momo's supposed failed fruit.

[ancient vault]

I doubt we dont get a flashback for someone who was rogers greatest foe, influenced 3 out of the 4 yonkos today and was probably the biggest threat to the WG

[silk rain]

Lol i could see a full rocks flashback but not with bb in it

[tidal tangle]

hes not saying there wont be a rocks flashback

[ancient vault]

So its absolutely nothing about his youth or his time on rocks ship when its clear that has influenced him and caused him what he is today?

[tidal tangle]

hes saying its not going to be necessarily in kaidos flashback

[ancient vault]

And who says we get a Rocks flashback.

@tidal tangle

[quasi roost]

If we Get Kaido Flashback it will be after Rocks is defeated so that we can save that for later, while the establishment of him eating that devil fruit and slowly gaining allies, and his reason for attacking and taking over wano. That is what I see we would be getting

[slate moon]

I'm only discussing the Rocks flashback involved with Kaido, not that it will never happen m. Sorry if that wasn't clear

[tidal tangle]

missed that lol

yea we most definitely are gonna get a rocks flashback

[slate moon]

That's what I was meaning, correct. Just that it might not get touched on with Kaido

[bright eagle]

I can see a Rocks flashback, but not God Valley flashback. We will have Kaido's version of BM's flashback. His childhood, experimented and all.

We could easilly have only BM appear in his Rocks days like how Shanks appeared in Buggy's flashback without any major Roger Pirates appering. The only important part in this fb is why Kaido is indebted to BM. We have to know before Kaido's eventual defeat.

[tidal tangle]

@slate moon

[slate moon]

This will be the longest flashback to date if we get all that in one go. I dont see that happening. Just my opinion. I see the stuff post God Valley more likely imo

I definitely see a Rocks flashback coming eventually. Maybe it gets briefly touched on with Kaido and we get more through BM in Elbaf.

[bright eagle]

Well, we could have a panel or two flashback like what WB have in Marineford lol. It's as a possiblity too haha

[ancient vault]

Yeah totally unimportant how Xebec influenced Kaidos way of thinking

[bright eagle]

Xebec doesn't appear in BM flashback eventho he probably influences BM too

I'm sure Oda is saving Xebec flashback for later. That flashback seems to be too unrelated to Wano lore.

[red goblet]

I only have one question, because if gomu gomu was so important to the government, and when they found out that Luffy had it, why didn't they campaign for them to go after Luffy's head?

There is also the incognito of Shanks, his relationship with the government and why of the ease with which he was able to talk to the gorosei, and if he really gave the fruit to Luffy on purpose?

[ancient vault]

No lol. Big Mom was already like close to 30 during her time with Xebec there wasnt a big influence on her tho there certainly was at least sth that stayed with them.
Kaido was 18 at the time of god valley so he ustve been way younger when he initially joined. Obviously a kid is gonna be influenced way more than an adult that was already making headlines at like 10

[slate moon]

No one said it wasn't important, just that it isnt happening now. We might get it during all the reveals post Wano. Might find out a lot of what influences Rocks may have on more than just Kaido and BM.

[ancient vault]

Where do u think Kaido got all the info about JoyBoy and general lore from? He has noone who can read poneglyphs. Its clear the only time possible where he could have it from is from the time with Rocks to our knowledge

[modest skiff]

Yeah that’s what I’ve been assuming too

[ancient vault]

I can agree that we might not get a full Rocks flashback in Kaidos flashback but you saying he might not even appear seems like a massive reach to me when theres everything that supports the idea that Xebec influenced Kaido by a lot

[modest skiff]

For WB, BM and Kaido to all serve under him shows he was a very special person

[reef oar]

Would be crazy for Oda to shadow a characters face only for him not to do a face reveal at an important point later. What would the point in that be

[tidal tangle]

special person as in

[slate moon]

I agree he had a big influence on Kadio and I actually could see him having two separate flashbacks. This initial one seems to me will involve the experience he had while captured and it will be brought to the front of his mind seeing Momo in full dragon form.

[modest skiff]

I've been wondering if he was Lunarian and the waviness we see in his silhouette may be flames of some sort

[tidal tangle]

interesting

[bright eagle]

We might not be shown those reasons through a flashback (yet) but though regular exposition. I just don't see Xebec face reveal in any Wano flashback. We might get a panel or two of sillhoutte but that's it.

[tidal tangle]

this would also go with the burning skull in their jolly roger

[modest skiff]

It would also explain why a Lunarian appears to be on Kaido’s crew

I'll elaborate a bit on my Xebec theory @tidal tangle : I think Xebec was an extremely powerful Lunarian who had a great deal of knowledge regarding the void century and all that jazz. I think its possible he could just read glyphs on his own and that is how BM, Kaido and WB all have hints of extremely advanced knowledge here and there. I think Xebec was able to convince WB to join his crew because he had a pretty noble goal of defeating the CDs and liberating the planet. BM liked the idea of a bunch of races being able to coexist without the rule of the CDs. Kaido is still a mystery. But overall I really think WB and BM being members of Xebec's crew show that he was not the mad man Sengoku and Garp make him out to be. I think he was willing to let a ton of people die, but when you consider the fact that CDs use slaves to move escalators until the point of death, kidnap women from families and keep them as rape slaves, and many other awful things, it is easy to imagine someone deciding it is worth killing a few people to end that. 800 years of that stuff, Lunarians purged from their home world. If Xebec had a reliable way of showing people he's the real deal and knows what is going on, it is easy to understand why WB and others would be like "hot damn, this dude is legit, aight, lets do this"

I basically think Sengoku, Garp and others are just lying cowards who are too afraid to let war take place so that the CDs can be conclusively killed. Also, Garp being willing to let Ace be killed told us everything we need to know about him. I think either his wife or daughter were killed by pirates, but he's still immoral

[tidal tangle]

hmmmm

[desert patio]

The name of Rocks may have been taken from the real life pirate Roche Braziliano, which in English translates to "Rock the Brazilian" from his long exile in Brazil . one piece wikia trivia

i have a feeling that monkey d dragon is rocks son

oda said that luffy's nationality is from brazil

[tidal tangle]

@modest skiff i am kinda busy rn but i want to talk about this theory later

[reef oar]

If Yamato was in possession of Odens journal it's not unreasonable to think Kaido might have read some of it.

[ancient vault]

he cant read it I think

Also pretty sure yamato said her father hasnt found it

[pure raven]

Idk about sengoku but it feels out of character for Garp to lie for the Government for their benefit. Because Garp only let ace die because for nearly 2 decades he tried to stop ace from becoming a pirate. He has a very different value of Justice then Sengoku or any admiral. He letted luffy punch him so it doesn't really characterize him as this navy dog

[silk rain]

i disagree with what you said about garp. He doesnt give a shit about the CDs and he definitely didnt WANT ace to die. He was torn between his two sides, his moral side and his dutiful side. He wanted to kill akainu and he let luffy save ace in the war. Also post war when he met up with dadan showed how broken he was. Garp definitely has morals but it conflicts with the navy's idea of morals, and Oda tries to portray that their are good marines in the bad this way with him and aokiji for example. But their ways of thinking is too different with the navy's that if they decide to follow their morals they end up disobeying the navy. examples are aokiji letting robin go, garp letting luffy go free, letting luffy punch him, fujitora apologizing, smoker choosing not to go after the pirates and instead aid in the fight against a warlord (crocodile). They all disobeyed the navy while following their morals

So if your reasoning for garp not telling ppl about rocks is because he's immoral, i think its more likely just to maintain balance and he's sticking to his dutiful side thinking that he is protecting people

[empty barn]

im rewatching Whole cake island and uhh...

is this blue gilly?

[urban ledge]

I remember a good post here about how MADS is building up to Vegapunk's soon appearance, does someone remember the content?

[drowsy marsh]

Like in wano soon?

[urban ledge]

If I'm not mistaken it was about the next arc

And about lineage factor, giants, devil fruits and Momo's fruit on the background of the arc slowly alluding to Vegapunk

[sturdy hound]

you realize that roger speaks japanese, right?

[wispy sun]

will zou elephent go to wano

[ancient vault]

I think that was @modest skiff not sure

[ancient vault]

but like that doesnt stio ida frin using D for dawn tho

[pure raven]

Doubt it. That story is pretty much wrapped up. If they were going summon it, they would have called it for the battle.

[ancient vault]

especially when Oda uses the latin letter D in japanese too

[wispy sun]

Will it ever be solved?

[pure raven]

@wispy sun Personal theory on Zoonisha(however it is spelled) is it is a Land King. Lost relative of the sea kings. There could be more in the Florian triangle, hibernating inside the red line or on the moon. Since Momo can control the elephant he should either be a connected to Uranus or Joy boy.

[wispy sun]

Man

When I thought it was deep it wasnt deep enough, I completely forgot about uranus

[surreal harness]

What u think theory about frank is vegapunk? Timetravel theory... Ohara sended that up in one of his video

[polar bison]

I really dislike it

and pretty much any time traveling back to the past. it’s inherently contradictory and a can of worms I doubt oda would want to get into

[elfin lynx]

We'd have to see the Time-Time fruit again, it's served it's purpose. It would feel weird to rely on a devil fruit twice

[polar bison]

we’d had to see a different ability

because it’s made very clear that the time fruit cannot send people back to the past.

[elfin lynx]

ah right

but i'd see franky 'becoming' vegapunk, inheriting vega's will and passion's

[pure raven]

Wouldn't Chopper be a better fit for Vegapunk's inheritor, for the gene/devil fruit research?

anyone got a joyboy theory link? not seeing it in the pins or if anyone has their own theory im interested in reading

[quasi roost]

Hitetsu = Sukiyaki is disproved with Hitetsu's Vivre card being released, has it not?

[amber oar]

The card was corrected. His age is 81, not 58

Sukiyaki or not, he looks too old for 58 anyway

[wispy sun]

Guys i think kaido will be shocked when he looks like oden

[quasi roost]

aah, gotcha, and yeah i was shocked with 58, but i thought, fuck it maybe he just aged terribly

[ancient vault]

wait so its still possible?

[amber oar]

yes

In case of dobut, here's the official source for the correction https://twitter.com/Eiichiro_Staff/status/1433584310464831489

ONE PIECEスタッフ【公式】 (@Eiichiro_Staff)

【訂正】
本日発売VIVRECARD BOOSTER PACKの表記に誤りがありました。

天狗山飛徹の年齢表記

誤)58歳

正)81歳

混乱を招き大変申し訳ありません。
お詫びして訂正いたします。

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[ancient vault]

ITS PINNED AGAIN

[amber oar]

fuck, I linked my reply fixed

[ancient vault]

Oda mixed it up with sukiyakis age during the flashback

[amber oar]

I don't think so, Hitetsu was 58 23 years ago, that's while Oden was dancing in the streets. Sukiyaki's alleged death was long before

[modest skiff]

Also tagging @pure raven since similar reply to him:

He clearly does not like the CDs and seems to understand that they are really terrible people. But he still defends their immoral empire, which rapes and enslaves people until death. Its not that CDs are bad guys, they are horrrrrible.

If Garp's sense of duty and his ethics are at odds with each other, he needs new duties. It is not moral to choose duty over ethics. If Sengoku commanded him to kick puppies, he would not be a good guy by following his duty to obey command structure. Overall I just reject the idea that Garp is justified in following orders of Navy.

He wanted to kill Akainu, but he didn't. He morally failed when he chose not to save Ace and kill Akainu. It seems very clear that something really big happened that made him hate pirates forever, which is why I think wife/daughter/family being killed by a pirate makes sense to me. As you point out, he was clearly torn, but that isn't sufficient. If someone knows they are doing the wrong thing, and still do it, they are still wrong.

I totally agree with you that we are getting lots of hints of legitimately good people who are struggling with the ethics of what they do, such as Aokiji, Garp, Smoker and Fujitora. I like to believe they will join Luffy's fight when they realize there is a chance of overthrowing the CDs.

That gets me to my next point. I think the Navy higher ups, such as Sengoku and Garp, know about some incredible weapon or capability that the CDs have. I think they know that if a war ever ACTUALLY broke out between Navy and CDs, the CDs would be able to wipe out a ton of the planet before being destroyed. My theory is that they can control the water level of the planet. I think the AK, who lived on the Red Line, could control an extremely large number of things on the planet. I think Imu convinced Alabasta and other nations to rise against the AK by saying the AK's capabilities were too dangerous. I think the CDs highjacked these capabilities and it is why the Navy blindly follows the CDs. They know that there is a mutually ensured destruction element to the CDs rule. They defend the CDs because they know if the CDs are ever threatened, they can basically wipe out the planet.

But I don't think that's good enough. I think Garp is just really broken and discouraged. I think if he ever thinks someone has a way to fight the CDs without everyone dying, he will take up their flag. But he's doing too little as is. He should have saved Ace. He should have killed Akainu. It isn't sufficient to hold beliefs, you have to act on them too.

Counter point: If Garp is just waiting for the right moment/movement/person to lead a revolution against the CDs, I can understand his perspective and actions. But right now it looks like he's just a broken, discouraged, subjugated dog.

[ancient vault]

hush, my headcanon knows no limits

[modest skiff]

WHOA, hold up, this would be totally insane if true. What am I missing? Can someone explain? Hitetsu = Sukiyaki doesn't even feel like a theory or head canon right now. It feels like fact. Any links or references greatly appreciated!

[ancient vault]

pinned theory

[amber oar]

Hitetsu's vivre card at release revealed an age of 58, which would disprove Hitetsukiyaki (Oden would be 59 if alive). But later the staff announced that the age in the card is wrong, and the correct one is 81. Which gives the theory new life

[ancient vault]

#manga-theories message

Imma go to sleep now tho have fun reading it. Good night

[modest skiff]

I don't have a theory involving Momo's fruit right now other than the fact that I think Vegapunk hid it from the WG on purpose...wait actually that does tie into my other Vegapunk theory XD

@urban ledge here is my Vegapunk/Kuma theory. I think Vegapunk hid Momo's fruit from the WG intentionally as well. Not sure if this is what you are referring to, but here it is:

#manga-theories message

[amber oar]

Actually, somehow makes it more likely, because if the staff went out their way to correct an age, it's probably because that age is relevant

[modest skiff]

First of all, who in the world accidentally translated 81 to be 59? XD

Second, this is great and only adds to my confidence that this is all true

[sinful gale]

Is it too much of reach to say that oda might drop onigashima in 1025 before the break for that huge climax?

[modest skiff]

We already have Chad Momo, so I think Onigashima falling is out of the question. Or at least falling somewhere bad. I think it might go somewhere in the water though

[pure raven]

I mean he could still drop it, but Momo is able to hold it flying until everyone below evacuates. Would be an Oda move.

Momo just lost decades of his life. Feels empty to do only to give Luffy(who can fly with geat 4) a lift. Momo can't really fight Kaido even in his new form(no haki). Most significant move he can make is hold the island up.

[elfin lynx]

I'd be cool of Luffy to teach momo the basic's of haki before he leaves wano

[modest skiff]

Gear 4 drains haki quickly and he likely needs that for Kaido

[hot ice]

what if the flower capital is destroyed and the capital of wano moves east to hakumai just like the real japanese capital moved (other than the fact that Kyoto was never destroyed)

[reef oar]

Onigashima will fall on the flower capital, but Luffy will destroy Onigashima. It falls in line with the themes of One Piece, and follows what happens every single arc. Luffy punches bad guy and destroys something significant with it. Arlong and Arlong Park, Enel and the golden bell, etc. I think we are a few chapters away from Onigashima actually falling on the flower capital, considering how fights are finishing/wrapping up and Momo and Luffy seem poised to arrive back on the rooftop any minute now. I feel like 1025 we will see Sanji and Zoro vs King and Queen again, then cut back to Yamato getting beat by Kaido with Luffy arriving in time before he throws her off the rooftop.

[drowsy marsh]

I think Yamato stays on the rooftop.

[toxic oriole]

Marco will show His hybrid on the rooftop

[modest skiff]

Certainly supported by the anime intro lol. Anime intros being manga spoilers is a funny dynamic, but sometimes true. Luffy does essentially punch Onigashima into pieces in the intro, so perhaps this is true

[drowsy marsh]

The more I think about it. I think Hiyori will make it to the rooftop. She would not only carry Ame no Habakiri, but also the will of Toki.

[reef oar]

It would be a break from tradition in essentially all arcs if this didn't happen. The only time I believe this didnt happen is in the mirror dimension, but there are other factors in Whole Cake island arc as a whole for why that didn't happen. But every other bad guy Luffy has destroyed bigger and bigger things, with Donflamingo being punched so hard Luffy destroys the remains of Dressrossa. Even in Marineford, an arc that was dedicated to Luffy's failure and being completely out of his depth, had Whitebeard stand in place as the "island destroyer", and destroyed the entire island of Marineford almost singlehandedly. Going back to Alabasta, the straw hats always arrive at a location to bring the "dawn" of a new world. They sail around on the thousand sunny bringing the dawn to countries that have been in darkness. The same will happen in Wano. The country has been enveloped in darkness for 20 years, and Luffy will bring the dawn, the light, to Wano by defeating Kaido and destroying Onigashima.

[pure raven]

He clearly does not like the CDs and seems to understand that they are really terrible people. But he still defends their immoral empire, which rapes and enslaves people until death. Its not that CDs are bad guys, they are horrrrrible.

If Garp's sense of duty and his ethics are at odds with each other, he needs new duties. It is not moral to choose duty over ethics. If Sengoku commanded him to kick puppies, he would not be a good guy by following his duty to obey command structure. Overall I just reject the idea that Garp is justified in following orders of Navy.

Hmm idk to me Garp doesn't really choose a side, I don't think he's ever directly defended the CD like a dog except for the incident at God Valley. Though Roger and his whole crew also defended them. I don't think garp would really obey any order that goes against his values morally. At the war at marine ford he sorta just turned a blind eye towards both side because at the same time he letted luffy free ace. I think that was more justified for him not interfering because of his believe in justice. He has a deep hatred for pirates yes, but I can't really see him as someone who lie and cover up stuff for the WG benefit. When hina asked about Rocks, something that was apparently wiped from history; he plainly talked about it like it was nothing. I don't think it's fear or cowardness necessarily but maybe like a promise or something. Idk why he doesn't take action knowing full aware of their evil, but if the theory that his wife was a formal CD that got killed by pirates I think it would be plausible for his delay action a little.
Part me thinks he just doesn't care and just see the CD as the lesser of two evils, because of how heroic things the navy has done in the past through out justice. He may even be a little ignorant to their true evil, In fact he may even believe that the CD are the creators of the world. We also don't really know his past, made he got saved by a marine

[dusky acorn]

Onigashima ultimately breaking by Luffy's hands during his fight with Kaido, meanwhile Momo saves all the good guys from the fall with a blanket of fire clouds is fine.
There's been ongoing highlights ever since the raid started that Onigashima is getting damaged throughout all these battles. It's only continuing with the spreading fire from Maria in the latest chapter. So either way, I do expect the total destruction of the island to happen by the end of the raid somehow

[reef oar]

Maybe Garp didn't directly fight for the celestial dragons. Their interests probably just lined up in defeating Rocks, who was so dangerous that all of the most powerful people at the time were there to put him down. The celestial dragons were motivated for different reasons than the marines, who are motivated for different reasons than Roger. I still think God Valley is connected to Nika somehow; maybe its the missing part of Skyiea island. And Rocks might have found some way to revive or use Nika's powers to become the "king of the world". So of course celestial dragons, who follow Imu directly, would want Rocks gone. He came dangerously close to disrupting "the worlds equilibrium"

[pure raven]

Yeah and Garp is the same person who constantly rejects the admiral position, so he isn't really anyone's ass kisser. He's quite rebellious in some sense because he deliberately hided the worlds most wanted criminal and the son of the PK. Just not something a navy dog would dog

[pure raven]

Sigh wrong chat sorry in advance

[junior cape]

1025 is where Luffy rejoins the fight, and Kaido gets really confused by seeing momo

[mild kite]

Is 1025 the last chapter of Volume 101?

[craggy pumice]

Most likely

[pure raven]

I hope if we get a kaido backstory God valley is shown

[real swan]

Is anyone else confused by Voice of all Things? I was thinking about it a bit, and at first it just seemed like it allows you to communicate with things that don't normally talk, but then you find out it helps you understand the poneglyphs too. But now we have multiple characters that can use it just telepathically communicating with each other.

Another interesting bit is how Momo is using it to know how many voices were fighting on the roof. Like does that make it a form of CoO then? It also begins to seem really similar to what Aisa was doing at skypea

[supple anchor]

VOAT doesnt let you understand the poneglyphs, it helps you find them though

[grizzled fog]

Momo was just using regular observation to find out how many people were on the roof

[weary cliff]

It sort of does. Roger understood what the general subject of the Skypeia poneglyph said. Oden provided the detail

[real swan]

That makes more sense then. I was wondering if that was just CoO or not.

[real swan]

In either case it's still really interesting. Having this ability interact with inanimate objects makes the whole thing so mysterious.

[supple anchor]

yeah but i wouldnt say that general overview is enough. You still need someone to translate them in order for them to be actually useful, i dont think you could find pluton from just the VOAT for example although you might understand that Pluton's location is on the poneglyph in alabasta

[weary cliff]

I would assume so too, however Big Mom's plan A for poneglyphs was to use Pudding's potential VOAT. Maybe if you train hard enough you can figure it out

Or BM's idea was just bad lol

[grizzled fog]

BM had the wrong idea, she thought that Roger read the poneglyph with voat, but she didn’t know oden could read them

[supple anchor]

^ mhmm thats what im thinking too

[visual mulch]

Y’all know abt the Momotaro theory right

What if the pheasant is Aokiji instead of Marco?

[supple anchor]

its possible but it would be kinda strange for aokiji to show up now

BB seemed to have made a move after the reverie, i think aokiji is with him

[modest skiff]

From my perspective, if you aren't fighting the CDs, you are indirectly enabling their rule. But like I said, he may have a plan or perspective I don't know about. I just see it as, instead of turning a blind eye, he has a moral obligation to choose the good side.

I don't think he is lying, but I think that his perspective is that someone overthrowing the CDs would bring chaos and suffering to the world. I think he sees it as "Yes, this would be good, but also very bad", so I think when he says they wanted to overthrow the world, he is basically also saying "turn the world upside down and create chaos". I think he sees it as arrogant to want to overthrow the CDs. And probably also sees it as careless and stubborn to do that.

I overall agree with you that there are too many things we don't know for me to be confident he's a shit head. But I am still skeptical of him.

[modest skiff]

My theory is that we don't fully understand VOAT. I think there are more details or uses for VOAT that we aren't really aware of yet. I think it is possible there are people who are "advanced VOAT" users, distinguished among people who have it

[hallow cliff]

Theory

Dragon is luffy’s father

[dusky acorn]

hey, let's stick to speculation instead of jokingly stating what's already been confirmed, thanks

[maiden solar]

unironically... I think yamato is actually oden. is there a video discussing this?

[wintry pelican]

What!!!????

[maiden solar]

im a noob pls dont use the sarcasm. im interested in the topic. if you have some good article, id like to read more.

[supple anchor]

....why do you think that? Yamato witnesses the death of Oden, is the child of Kaido, and has stated that they were so inspired by Oden that they are imitating him.

[modest skiff]

Posing questions like this isn't particularly helpful. If you have a theory to discuss, you should post it. Otherwise this comes off as a troll. This channel is intended for serious discussion. If you have reasons you think this, you can explain that, but coming up with a wild idea and asking other people to substantiate it is not constructive

Edit: And as Ruski just pointed out, the fact that Yamato was present for Oden's execution makes this hard to take seriously

@onyx terrace Please read the rules of this channel:

SERIOUS THEORIES only. Messages that break this rule will get punished. Slow-mode is enabled to promote lengthy discussions and discourage shitposting.

[onyx terrace]

okay mommy sry

[maiden solar]

it isnt a question. im asking for help looking for more info regarding the idea. im not trying to troll, im trying to locate more informaton by posting to a relevant channel. if im in the wrong spot. i apologize.

[vestal orbit]

think there was a weird theory that toki somehow got the "oden zoan" after drinking the oil that oden was boiled in and absorbing his lineage factor

swap toki for yamato and swap oden zoan for oden's spirit or smthn and i guess you could say that it sorta works?

[neon shoal]

Does anyone else think marco played a huge role in kaido and big mom defeat? If marco hadnt knock big mom ship down waterfall, then big mom pirates join with kaido crew and may change outcome.

Even though big mom bring a small group pf crew, it caused kaido to be concerned that it may cause “full scale war” or threat against him

[nimble fox]

Joked in another channel earlier about Ivankov being Luffy's mom. Now I'm seriously wondering if people have any ideas beyond pure speculation. I recall that Oda has confirmed we have at least glimpsed her before.

[modest skiff]

I don't think this is true. I think we just had a silhouette of Ace's mom, but nothing about Luffy's. Perhaps someone can correct me

[nimble fox]

I heard the info second hand so I don't have a source.

[modest skiff]

I am assuming it is not true then. I don't have anything to add on Luffy's mom since we have zero info

[silk rain]

aight that makes sense. Garp prolly does have some other motivation than "just wanting to be a marine" bc of how forceful he is to try and make luffy and ace marines too

[amber oar]

That last bit is a misconception from his SBS answer. The volume before Dragon's formal introduction as Luffy's father, someone asked if Oda will ever draw Luffy's parents. All Oda answered is that they'll be pleased with next volume. That itself could mean either one parent or both, and we know Dragon was introduced there, so there's no need for a covert mom panel.

Oda has said several times that Luffy's mom is relevant to the plot and people should keep their expectations low. He even told that to Luffy's VA

The one time he described his image of Luffy's mom, he actually described Dadan, a couple of weeks before Dadan's introduction. So by all accounts Luffy's true mom is Dadan. His biological mother isn't relevant

[dusky acorn]

I think it's that the original meaning of the word 'parent' in the question could be taken as either plural or singular. This meant that translations differed to the point where some people thought Oda was referring to both of Luffy's parents being drawn in the volume.
https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/84g2rs/volume_44_sbs_translation_regarding_luffys_mother/
For the record, VIZ took the phrase as singular and delegated the SBS to just be asking about his father. Which makes sense in the context of what the next volume showed. (Blatantly revealing Dragon, but with no mother in sight).

[real swan]

Oh we absolutely don' know everything yet about VoaT, it's probably the one thing I'm most excited about learning. I've got one theory that it's possibly tied to the idea of lineage factors as well. If an inanimate object can have an altered lineage factor through devil fruits, then races and creatures from back then were born with the lineage factor of being able to speak and understand VoaT. The polneglyphs are a written version of the VoaT, and those with the lineage factor can also hear the voice of things with that writing.

This could then explain why this ancient kingdom was feared by so many. In addition to the ancient weapons, members of this kingdom were also able to utilize the VoaT toshare ideas that nobody else would be able to decipher.

There's definitely quite a few holes in this though but the real thing I want to know is why an inanimate object is able to be detected by VoaT.

[modest skiff]

Nice, we share this perspective. I think sea kings were able to freely communicate with (blank) group of people. I think sea kings freely communicate using voat

[real swan]

For sure, which honestly just makes this expand into a bigger theory I have that a few races were the true natives of the planet, considering that the few confirmed VoaT users we have are from factions that would have been an ally of it.

This then ties into inherited will and the D. clan. I believe the will of D is actually meant to be the Will of Dead, where D. members are descendants of the ancient kingdom members and thus have the lineage factor to understand and speak VoaT.

[reef oar]

He knocked them down the waterfall so it clearly stalled for time, but they might be waiting at the flower capital for Big Mom. Which is an even scarier prospect imo. I just don't see why Big Mom's entire crew would be out of the picture besides Perospero.

[modest skiff]

Never heard someone say will of D being dead. Seems interesting but doesn't explain why certain people are born with it and not others. One thing that drives me up the wall is how people are like "Yeah, I have a D as a middle name" and people just are like "Yeah sounds good". HOLD ON, WHERE does this D come from? Where does anyone's middle name come from? It drives me nuts how we are not told where it comes from. Like clearly the parents are in some way aware of the D being in the name. Luffy is told he is Monkey D Luffy. So who is the first person to become aware of a kid having a D or some other letter in their name?

[modest skiff]

My original theory was that FMI and giants were the original inhabitants, but that has felt less solid as time goes on. Now that we know Lunarians lived on the red line, it feels like they were original inhabitants. But we seem to be left to believe they were not the AK, or perhaps just a portion of it. There's a lot to think about here...hmmmm

One of my shaky and not confident theories is that the red line is the only natural land mass on the planet and all the islands are from planets being destroyed. But then when I thought more about the diagram of planets in Ohara, I started to realize only 1 planet has a moon, and perhaps THAT planet is the one piece planet, not the one in the center. So it could be that the reason we don't see all the other "moons" is that they aren't moons, just other planets, too far away to see, so that's why we just see 1 moon

[real swan]

Two really strong points. There's still a lot to the D. that we don't know and Oda does a great job making them different enough to make it so hard to figure it out lol. Like you said some can use the VoaT and some can't, perhaps the others haven't been in a situation where they needed to unlock it or perhaps other users of it can decide who can also speak it.

I am definitely just as confused about it the D name started though. Where did they come from indeed......

But there's definitely something hinting about original inhabitants seeing that we have space travel, space pirates and other people commenting on original rulers of some land. We're just waiting on one or two really big clues to really start piecing this together.

[modest skiff]

Yes, that is another reason to think the one piece planet is the one with the moon on it. We have straight up space pirates walking around the moon, clearly not from the moon, so they came from somewhere. Overall I think Clover was just totally wrong about which planet was which lol

[real swan]

Yea and unfortunately their research was influenced by the World Government banning everything too lol. Then of course speaking of them we've got Imu who just opens a whole other set of questions.

I like that red line theory. It's gotta be worth something that it's the only landmass of its kind...

[modest skiff]

At first my theory was that the red line was a curse placed on the planet after the CDs took over. Like the planet punished the inhabitants my ruining itself by creating the red line. But now that we know the Lunarians lived there before the CDs, that makes a lot less sense

[supple anchor]

to add on to your conversation, Law's taboo name might be a hint about the D. I think he said that the D is his hidden name but Water is his taboo name, which might mean that each D person has another taboo name thats somehow connected to the AK

[modest skiff]

Really wish Law followed up with “which I know because (reason)”. Like it’s so funny to me that there is some dynamic of learning names and no one ever talks about it lol

[supple anchor]

lol for sure. its like they are born with the info or something

[real swan]

Speaking of creatures just knowing things how did the sea kings know the mermaid princess was gonna be born to the exact year?

[vivid socket]

Any of you guys got a theory about Zoro's left eye?

[modest skiff]

I think the Seakings know everything about how there is a cyclic process through which certain powers are born.

Since we know there are lots of planets, one of my theories has been that Poseiden is born when a certain planet lines up, then Uranus is reborn any time another planet lines up, Joyboy shows up every (blank) years, and then every so often, all of them line up together.

So lets say it is Uranus every 200 years, Poseiden every 160 years, then Joyboy every 400 years, that would mean all 3 are only present at the same time every 800 years.

[modest skiff]

I won't be surprised if it is as simple as Mihawk poking it, but I hope there is more to it than that

[modest skiff]

Maybe the symbolism of 8 is not just 8 different kingdoms/nations but also elements. So perhaps each of them represent some type of element, one of which is water

[supple anchor]

oooo i like that theory a lot. like BB's taboo name might be darkness/yami and Luffy's might be fire or something

[reef oar]

I feel like the red line is the culmination of all the other moons being destroyed. Parts of the red line could still be gods land. Or it could be that where gods land is on the red line, used to be one of the moon's we see in Ohara. The calm belts and red line still seem like they are crafted in such a way to keep the celestial dragons on top of the world, and everyone else below them. Fishman island being banished from the surface but being directly under marijoa paints a picture that this world has been reshaped. The castle where the revire takes place is named...Panjea. Not a coincidence I think

[hallow cliff]

The fight against Kaido will be luffy, marco, momonosuke and Yamato

[gloomy canyon]

I very much think Marco is done with any major fighting at this stage of the raid

He's done so many useful things and his dialogue in the chapter where Zoro and Sanji come in basically solidifies that it's their turn and he's completely exhausted

We also know his regeneration has a limit which he's likely reached

[junior cape]

Yup

From now on, Marco will be on R&R/fodder duty, and let others do most of the work.

[stoic girder]

Agreed, Marco has done an excellent job so far.

[gloomy canyon]

Yeah, think we're beyond the point of any Momotaro type theory coming true

[stoic girder]

Yamato looks like she's about to get knocked out. Marco is literally on break. That momotaro team theory is very unlikely to happen.

[supple anchor]

marco might be able to use his healing abilities in the fight against kaido but i think hes out of it as far as combat

[stoic girder]

Actually I wouldn't be surprised if that final spread between yamato and kaido is like a classic samurai duel. Where they each strike each other at the same time and one of them falls.

[gloomy canyon]

That's a cool idea, would be down for that

[stoic girder]

in this case it would be yamato

[hallow cliff]

It’s off the idea of this old Japanese story about a peach boy (momonosuke means peach) who befriended 3 animals. A monkey (luffy), a dog (Yamato), and a pheasant (marco) by feeding them kibidongo and went to onigashima to fight ogres/oni.

[bitter kraken]

Yamato is still in the fight don’t count her out, i wouldn’t be surprised if her DF has some kinda ability that will let her continue fighting plus we know she can take major damage

By continue fighting I mean some sorta healing ability

[hallow cliff]

Marco might heal her a bit

[toxic oriole]

Marco will show his hybrid against kaido

[maiden solar]

Marco done?

[weak arrow]

Prob done fighting anyone major unless big mom hits the live stage

[maiden solar]

Following the theory of betrayal amongst pirates. I'd speculate big mom would bide her time rather than make a large grandose appearance on the big stage. Wait for a weakened/defeated Kaido and then make her move. If Marco were to join back in, maybe he would help rescue the strawhats after their win; would deal with big mom on the back end.

[muted mortar]

Guys do you think kid and law can hold big mom back for too long??

[lean pine]

Yes

Law op devil fruit and the story has set up kidd to be more of an equal to Luffy with luffy's going to go fight kaido these two will fight big mom

[solar knoll]

Does it still count as Luffy 1 on 1 Kaido at this point?

Pretty much Tag teamed the hell outta Kaido lol

[pure raven]

Wings of the pirate king

This line one of the most important and now popular line which tells so much about the potential of straw hat 👒 luffy as leader and his wings zoro and sanji which will lead him to his goal as we know that they both are always compared in terms of power and strength even if they are ment to be equal but after zoro getting enema which is no joke and kaido confirming that zoro is also user of color of Supreme king it looks like zoro has became superior to sanji after all he will be worlds greatest swordsmen and he is right hand man of future pirate king he have to be strongest but but but the problem is I haven't seen a bird flying with unbalanced wings "WINGS OF THE PIRATE KING" so what kind of buff oda will give sanji ? (His raid suit is good but the way king busted his raid suit was not so cool he revealed its weak point at once and his fight against page one it took him time to knock them down for short pd.)

But as we also know that oda is insanely amazing in his skills
In Ch 1023 sanji said he is feeling off after using raidsuit twice (but sanji has used raid suit 3 times in wano 1.against page 1, 2.peeping in women's bath, 3.while saving momo) which can means after using raid suit for second time his some thing was triggered in his body which will balance the wings of pirate king what r your thoughts

[lean pine]

I mean he has yamato's help

But it's probably going to become a one-on-one for the final part of the fight. also Zoro's always been physically Superior to Sanji, Sanji doesn't need to be the strongest or on the same level as zoro function as the wing properly@pure raven

[gloomy canyon]

While I don't want to get into some Zoro Sanji powerscaling crap, I would not take the "wings of the pirate king" as meaning they are literally equals in everything and must remain that way. It just means that they are both needed to make Luffy PK. Without their support, in which they offer differently, Luffy simply cannot achieve his dream.

[sturdy hound]

exactly, think about how a bird has two wings and needs both to fly

[alpine marsh]

Yeah, instead lets use the presentation of their rivalry throughout the entire series where theyve been portrayed as equal rivals. And this is just another bit of reasoning towards that.

[gloomy canyon]

I don't think that's the point of their rivalry but I don't want to get into that rn. I don't get how what I said was so wrong. It's literally what Luffy said during WCI to Sanji.

[alpine marsh]

What Luffy said on WCI was a testament to his character, and the portrayal of that scene can be applied to the side calling him weak for the situations he puts himself in, like with Black Maria. Its not about combat prowess, however it could be used as a counter argument to those that use scenes like that to trash on Sanji. That those moments arent relevant to his combat prowess, its about his kindness and empathy.

But yeah I'll leave it there if you don't want to get into it.