manga-theories

[abstract pond]

Probably sent Zoro away from Wano when the rebellion failed

[ancient vault]

theyre dead

they went on to fight kaido and die

[blissful jewel]

But that’s why usopp is gonna get char development bc isn’t he getting his own arc or sum next for elbaf the strongest army or whatever I think he will change because it does make sense for him to be more brave at the end of the story then right now

[karmic jackal]

Who's this

[snow temple]

Looks like Zoro’s papi

[pure raven]

do you guys think luffys mom will be a lunarian considering he has the ability to use red roc and red hawk + fire abilities?

[ornate loom]

Would be awesome if Yamato joins the SH crew later on and tells Zoro about his dad talking about Zoro in the cave

[storm agate]

are these guys related to ryuma?

like descendants?

[hollow minnow]

Last chapter kappa dude said that zoro ressembles ryuma a lot.

[tranquil rivet]

of course

[mortal field]

Im guessing that the Ryuma guy is more likely to be someone Zoro carries the will of rather than the son of him, but him being Zoro dad wouldnt surprise me

[glad rain]

http://prntscr.com/1r4507y
Zoro smacks down Onimaru with the backside of his swords so he won't hurt him...

[ancient vault]

this isnt ryuma and its ushimaru. One of ryumas descendants and he could be zoros grandpa

[paper bloom]

Did we

Just meet zoro's daddy?

[mortal field]

More than likely

[paper bloom]

The resemblance is uncanny

[amber oar]

Yes but unironically

[ancient vault]

y'all are actually so stupid im sorry.
Ushimaru looks as old as fcking garp and that was 20 years ago. Why tf would that be zoros dad

[amber oar]

Or maybe his face distorted of rage as well.

[ancient vault]

this shit triggers me

[amber oar]

That's exaggerating but yeah, he looks old enough to be Zoro's grandpa rather than dad

[pure raven]

Yamato being called the "Oni Princess" in 1024 likely gives more credibility to her joining the crew (for the doubters lol).

In the momotaro legend at the end of the story they capture and bring back one of the Oni demons. Yamato is the Oni Princess that the strawhats will bring back from wano

Anyone have thoughts on this?

[amber oar]

Oh no, I was continuing my comment on the Kyoshiro looking guy

[ancient vault]

ik im talking about the ppl in this chat who keep on saying "is this zoros dad"

[mortal field]

Dawg im in a hidden war with someome named Nightmare bout the fact that both Yamato and Carrot are gonna join

[ancient vault]

None of the two will join

[mortal field]

I need Oda to not let them on

[ancient vault]

Carrot is useless now. Im not even joking I feel bad for carrot stans

The one fight she could get neko has taken over and pero is not winning against sulong neko

[mortal field]

Right

Im praying Yamato just take over the beast pirates qnd explore the seas himself

[weary cliff]

Yamato does join, though. This chapter makes it even stronger

[ancient vault]

I see yamato dying here even more

[olive coyote]

Till now we have seen most of the users of conqueror haki have used coc in their childhood

[weary cliff]

That would be the biggest upset in the series. Can Oda commit?

[olive coyote]

Is there any panel that showed luffy using coc in his childhood?

[mortal field]

No

[ancient vault]

Nah the earliest we've seen him use was the bull

[olive coyote]

Oh rii8

[mortal field]

Wait no im lying, didnt he use it as a kid? Ir was that Ace

[ancient vault]

[olive coyote]

Did garp mentioned it in marineford?

[ancient vault]

that was ace

[drowsy summit]

when 1000 ep

[mortal field]

I remember Ace doing it but wasnt Luffy using it without noticing?

Ight maybe my headcanon just fucked up my thinking nvm

[ancient vault]

Ace didnt notice it. Luffy wasnt doing it as a child

Ace just screamed dont touch luffy and activated it while not knowing (nor caring) how they all just collapsed

[mortal field]

Ah ok

[leaden mountain]

jesus every chapter is being better and better. We saw probably Zoro's (Grand)Pa Ushimaru. The war is climaxing. And at some point CP0 will intervene and will fight the "winner" of the war. Maybe we got to see a meeting between BigMom and the agents (which might be survivors of the Mama Caramel incident).
And I really hope to see Yamato join the crew.

[mortal field]

Me when i see CP0 pull up on Big Mom and Kaido

[sturdy hawk]

Bc he is

[maiden monolith]

Wouldn't Yamato know why Wano is important if she read Oden's journal? Maybe he stopped midway or omit a lot of parts such as what is the One Piece, where Laughtale is...

[short folio]

Hey guys

[ancient vault]

The question is rather why Wano is so important to Kaido. The translation this week implies that Kaido has a (in his eyes) justifiable reason for invading and enslaving Wano

A complex one so to say it seems

[worldly anvil]

Cus people in Wano are chad

[short folio]

Is this fake or real?

[maiden monolith]

Fujitora implicitely said that Wano was important anyway

[ancient vault]

was said last year (idk if it was said again this year). Its real but dont trust oda and his timelines lol

[ancient vault]

u mean sengoku?

I think its tied to Kaidos ancestors

[worldly anvil]

It's real but we don't really trust editors/producers

Also why does that look like discord

[short folio]

I know it was said last year, but i found this on google

[ancient vault]

they do that regularly. But I do remember vaguely reading about it this week again. Theres nothing really major about this tho. Again oda has said "soon" for 20 years now

[short folio]

After seeing this, i was worried men

[maiden monolith]

Might be, he said that a lot of big names were related to Wano and it was too huge for a coincidence I think

[mild citrus]

Any theories on how Ushimaru is related to Zoro?

[normal imp]

Zoro´s dad

[terse kite]

nothing happened

[short folio]

He also has same bandage on his left eye, just like ryuma

[gusty frost]

He is the spitting image of zoro

[ancient vault]

yup was sengoku

[kindred quail]

please no, no zoro bloodline

[clever pulsar]

Is this ryuma?

[short folio]

No

[zinc iris]

I will be disappointed

[clever pulsar]

But the blade it's look like shusui?

[zinc iris]

This feels like as if Luffy turned out to be Roger's son

[short folio]

I asked the same thing yesterday lol

[mossy dock]

Well luffy is dragons son

[short folio]

But its not shusui

[zinc iris]

Is dragon a pirate, the pirate king?

[normal imp]

It can be a black blade, but not Shusui necessarily

[mossy dock]

True but neither was ushimaru

[amber oar]

I always said Zoro's dad was probably nobody important

[river plaza]

He seems like zoro's dad

[amber oar]

jokes aside, Ushimaru has been around for a long time and he's probably a bit too old to be Zoro's dad. Maybe grandfather, or maybe they're just both descendants of Ryuma. But they're definitely related

[short folio]

Yeah i know

[tired osprey]

Would be cooler if zoro and ushimaru are just distant related somehow, but what makes them look alike is both being descendents from ryuma and in the gene casino slot they got more of ryumas genes than the every other shimotsuki

[river plaza]

I'd say there's 90% chances that the person we saw is zoro's dad

[mossy dock]

Yep i'd also bet that it was his dad

[amber oar]

gene casino doesn't apply in fiction

if a character is meant to be someone's great-great-great-great-great-great-grandson, they'll resemble

[main dawn]

Is he smokin a cig? Would be funny just because of his relationship with Sanji

[tired osprey]

Feels like it applies better in fiction than in reality lol

[amber oar]

I mean it's not a casino, it's deterministic. The author decides

[zinc iris]

Yeah he's just a powerful swordsman direct descendant of the sword God, surely not the same career as zoro

[amber oar]

I also can't find a timeframe for Ushimaru to be out of Wano. Like, he seems to have been in Wano at different timeframes and it looks a bit random that he left for a couple of years, fathered a son, and returned. In the midst of a coup. It could have been also the case that Zoro was born in Wano and left as a baby in a runaway ship, but if that was the case, what would be the point on the village and the Kozaburo background?

The SBS where Oda described the Shimotsuki link also suggests Zoro's lineage is tied to the ship that left Wano 55 years prior, rather than a random Wano traveler from much later. So whoever is his Shimotsuki parent either arrived in the ship or descends from someone who arrived in the ship. If Zoro descends from a random traveler, or even was born in Wano and made it out as an infant, the village link is fully redundant and he might as well have been raised in any random island.

[delicate sedge]

could it be zoros uncle os something like that then?

[amber oar]

It's a possibility. Perhaps Ushimaru had a sibling or a child who left in the ship. I think the card Oda will play is just both being descendants of Ryuma without further detail

[mossy dock]

Explains why zoro is such a good swordsman then, still, he trained hard for it.
Luffy is dragons son, garps grandson, the monkey D. are immensley strong, and at least dragon and luffy are both looking for freedom

[smoky basin]

yo what if luffy travels back in time and changes his name to be roger and then becomes pirate king to then influence his own future self to be pirate king in this kind of fucked up time loop

[zinc iris]

Born in the profession

[smoky basin]

dont robunHUH my theory its a good theory

[mossy dock]

Uhh so was robin, idk.
Would it bother you if zoro was a shimotsuki?

[unkempt cosmos]

lmfaoooooo kinda good tho

[mighty gate]

Anyone else get "empty throne" vibes from the swords thrown onto the ground? I know it is very much just coincidence, but I couldn't help but think.

[smoky basin]

It wouldn’t bother me at all, it doesn’t take away from all his hard work and training or anything he’s accomplished

[smoky basin]

I’m assuming you mean imu’s throne?

[unkempt cosmos]

i think he means the cave flashback

[smoky basin]

Ohhhhh I’m stupid

I have no clue what that means then, how would a cave with prisoners be an empty throne

[lunar wren]

Im going to say tama will join the crew n yamato will join as a temp member like carrot

[abstract pond]

I don't know why Tama would join

[lunar wren]

She has a dream to go outside wano unlike the others ones, carrot is just there, yamato isnt a dream but an strong admiration

Every other character has a reason to stay in wano from what im seeing

Repairs, new gov, opening, connections

[light onyx]

Are those guys the daimyos?

Probably not also she too young too

[lunar wren]

Momo, his family

I forget what are daimyos again

[light onyx]

Yamato could join cuz she might want to explore the world and see what oden might have seen

Carrot would probably go back with the minks

[lunar wren]

I believe she will replicate oden, tag along with luffy n leave

Cuz she read his log books

[light onyx]

^ yeah deffo

[normal imp]

I´m beggining to think that all the insistence with Yamato wanting to be Oden can be explained with maybe "Oden" being a name that his in the prophecy of Joyboy and being some sources of title as well. When Oden said that he doesn´t know if he is going to die in the battle against Kaido can prove that, with him not knowing if the Oden in the prophecy is him or somebody else

[unkempt cosmos]

daimyos are basically rulers or overseers of a region in wano like oden became the daimyo of kuri and he was brought back into the family

[empty island]

Are we all in agreement when I say, that now Zoro will definitely visit his father's grave?

[unkempt cosmos]

cant say because we dont know if his father is dead or not 😂

[empty island]

I assume the 3 died, felt like it was at least implicated

[unkempt cosmos]

which 3?

its not confirmed that the guy in the cave is zoro's father, could be a distant relative or his grandfather

[empty island]

Ye for sure, but it's not the least likely theory imo. At this point I'd be very surprised if he isn't, and if Yamato isn't set up to reveal everything to him

[light onyx]

Do you think the samurais would become the daimyos of the regions

[unkempt cosmos]

can become

[empty island]

Do you mean the scabbards?

[onyx rover]

wait wait so am I not the only one who thought that was zoros dad

[light onyx]

Ye

[empty island]

Honestly, I'd prefer it if most of them died

[runic osprey]

Its not confirmed that he is but he definitely could be

[light onyx]

I get u

[runic osprey]

Well now zoro having conquerors haki makes a lot more sense now

[onyx rover]

he also looks like ryuma which would support that he’s zoros dad if he’s the ringo daimyo guy

[light onyx]

Would be sad asf but dying in the battle would make sense plus It would be great for the story

[empty island]

If all of them died it would make for a bitter sweet victory

[light onyx]

I just want kawamatsu to live

[summer jasper]

He was always bound to get it

[jovial patrol]

But u never "get" conqueror haki

[summer jasper]

You know what I mean.

[jovial patrol]

And sanji from a royal family i would not be surprise if he have it. Mr Prince

[summer jasper]

Now that yamato has it too thats 3 users of CoC on luffy's crew, idk if there can be more

[jovial patrol]

I just want ussop to have it that all just for fun

[pure raven]

She hasn't joined yet

[jovial patrol]

She'll join the crew

[summer jasper]

There also others ppl that could have it like jinbe (who's a proven leader) and arguably usopp(because of his general story and also he lied about it which means.....😁 )

[pure raven]

Usoop lie always comes true

[unkempt cosmos]

bound to join for a while tho

[jovial patrol]

And he lie on that chapter about having conqueror

[summer jasper]

Yamato is gonna join 100%

[unkempt cosmos]

100%

[pure raven]

That youdron guy predicted that their is small chanse of her joining g

[unkempt cosmos]

atleast for a chpt

[pure raven]

I guess it is twice now

[jovial patrol]

Yes she gonna join she have a flashback, a sad childhood, no mother and she have a dream

Like all strawhat

[summer jasper]

She said herself she was gonna sail with luffy when the war is over

[jovial patrol]

And she believe in luffy

That the perfect curriculum vitae

[runic osprey]

I dont he does have it
He is stong but he doesnt have the quality of a king

[jovial patrol]

So yamato top 3 ?

[unkempt cosmos]

you sure about that? ||i mean chivalry is followed by kings right? . . . . . . . right ?

[summer jasper]

possibly, its debatable

[summer jasper]

if we compare to oden's journey, he was supposedly on part with gabon and gabon was 3rd of roger's crew

[jovial patrol]

We need sanji third commander or the character is dead u can't be at the top if u don't have conqueror and that a fact

[empty island]

I think Zoro is setup to stay the no.2, he got conqueror as well and will sooner or later master ashura

[jovial patrol]

Yes zoro top 2 forever

[runic osprey]

I think the way it works it depends on someone’s will like how for example luffy wanting to become the king of the pirates (conquering) zoro becoming the greatest swordsman(conquering) and you get that will power which unlocks the conq haki

[jovial patrol]

Probably

[runic osprey]

With sanji i dont see him having that. His goal was finding the all blue which has nothing to do with conquering

[jade moon]

He already found it in fishman island

[jovial patrol]

What?

Nose blood conqueror u mean

[jade moon]

[runic osprey]

Girl + sea = all blue

[jade moon]

Yessss he found his all blue and conquered it with a nose bleed

[jovial patrol]

She was bad i understand

[unkempt cosmos]

[bitter kraken]

Yamato was so cute as a little kid, but all her suffering while it was messed up made her grow up fast and strong

[deep egret]

True

Plus her df and conq haki made her strong

[bitter kraken]

Just the fact that she’s able to clash with kaido and not get one shot when he is actually trynna kill her makes her a top tier fighter. Luffys crew gonna get a serious powerup now when the strawhats clash with BB I wonder who she’ll take

[deep egret]

If she's even going to be there

I doubt

[pure raven]

maybe already mentionned, but do you guys think the ''maki bat4'' has a meaning?

[vagrant carbon]

This is much less of a theory, but uhm.
As we can see in the latest chapter of one piece.
We see what appears to be Zoro's father.
He has blue hair.
Zoro as we know has green, meaning.
Zoro's mother must have yellow hair
As blue and yellow make green :O
Yes yes, I know. My brain is large

[pure raven]

Well big brain time

[tranquil pond]

[mossy dock]

Black maria it is

[hard junco]

Bruh

[ancient vault]

Seems more like its saying Haki

[split bear]

||HOLY SHIT WAS THAT ZOROS DAD IN THE LAST CHAPTER||

OMG - spoilers

[pure raven]

ooh would that be Haki Data?

[ancient vault]

Haki Data and an H at the end?

[pure raven]

Have no idea

[ancient vault]

Looks like frankys shogun arm btw

TOp is clearly HAKI
And the bottom is DAT but idk if thats an A afterwards

[oblique fulcrum]

yo pienso lo mismo

I think the same

[hoary glade]

To support usopp having conquerers haki, id like to point out the fact that all modern confirmed conquerers haki users are either directly connected to a large figure of the past or are compared to them in some capacity. This applies for usopp who is compared to noland the liar

[mossy dock]

Interesting

Well i guess we wont be able to apply it to most known conquerors users, however at least the ones oda has compared to, as you said

[waxen dust]

It’s saying Hack, as in Oda The Hack!

[gilded willow]

this is my theory

same habits

[limpid sequoia]

the ages work out to where he would have had to have zoro basically right before the war with Kaido, so It could have happened and he sent zoro away right before going to fight

[split glacier]

Sanji's mother is Zoro's mother

[amber oar]

...Martha.

[split glacier]

Which one is Batman in this equation begging for his mother before he's about to die? lol

[weary cliff]

Which one has a fancy black suit?

[amber oar]

The problem I see is that Ushimaru seems a bit too old to be a recent dad, and his cameos throughout Oden's flashback suggest he was closing his fifties around this flashback's time, while Zoro was still a baby

The other problem is that the SBS answer implies Zoro's heritage is related to the ship that sailed from Wano 55 years ago, rather than a random trip when he was a child. So it sounds more that Zoro's parents were already Shimotsuki Village citizens, likely one of them was also Ryuma's descendant

[amber oar]

In the raid, Zoro

[nocturne stream]

yo quick question

what r ur guys opinion on zoro being from wano

[mellow mortar]

Wait

Usopp has conquerors haki?

Sugeh

[mossy dock]

I mean wasnt roger like 53 when he had a child

[amber oar]

lmao no, he's pretending to have it while Big Mom is affecting the fodder from another room

[light onyx]

He wasn’t there for ace

He was executed

[craggy pumice]

so Ushimaru can be Zoros grandpa?

[velvet edge]

yea it doesnt why would it

dont try to ping everyone again lol

[weary cliff]

He can, but Jugol is right it doesn't fit with the implied origin from the SBS. Sure Zoro could have been a refugee sent by Ushimaru to a place he knew was safe, but who knows. Regardless I don't think age is a problem

[waxen dust]

I am honestly starting to believe he’s Zoro’s dad. They look completely identical and the timeline adds up if he were sent to East Blue as a baby while Kaido began taking over.

[split bear]

yuh its prolly true

[waxen dust]

It’s more so implied Kuina’s heritage than Zoro, he just ended being in the village later on. So we don’t necessarily know where’s Zoro been prior, but it’s starting to look more and more like Ushimaru IS Zoro’s father

[amber oar]

Oda did it in two SBS. The first one (SBS 92) talks about Kozaburo, the ship and the village, and hints something about "a character we're familiar with". The second one (SBS 96) fully confirms Kuina's lineage and says "that means Zoro's lineage..."

[ancient vault]

Grandpa not dad this mf looks like fcking 60 or 70 and that was 20 years ago

https://twitter.com/hollinger94/status/1433826053680676875?t=6AIacDUJtvAQYrztWiDkLQ&s=19

iPadSamurai (@hollinger94)

Roronoa Zoro's name is a reference to the French pirate "l'Olonnais" however Roronoa is also a reference to Rorouni or Ronin which is a samurai disgraced by losing his master. Ergo "Roronoa" is an empty name. Just more food for thought
#onepiece1024 #ONEPIECE

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[abstract owl]

Kuina is in navy. His father is Marine admiral green bull

[amber oar]

I'd say somewhere between 50-60, still the age to be a grandfather

[ancient vault]

he wpould be 80 or 70 now

[abstract owl]

That's basically blue zoro isn't he

[amber oar]

we assume he's blue from the anime, they still could have pulled a goth Marco

[weary cliff]

I think y'all are making assumptions about age when there's no indicator. Dude has crows feet, that's it

[waxen dust]

tbh he doesn’t look like he’s in his 60s, he looks more like 40s imo. But we don’t really have any actual evidence yet on his age iirc

[abstract owl]

Anyways Yamato looks like tama

So cute

[true lily]

He might be as old az yasuie

[amber oar]

He was seemingly an adult as far as the time Oden pacified Kuri. That's nearly 40 ago

[waxen dust]

Could be the mother naming Zoro with Roronoa since his father is imprisoned in Wano. There’s multiple possibilities but for sure Ushimaru and Zoro are related

[weary cliff]

Now that's something to go off of

[waxen dust]

okay that’s a valid point so he would have to be like 60

[zinc iris]

well the two crossed sword is just the shimotsuki insignia

and we know that koshiro is indeed a shimotsuki

so that part is not some new reveal

[weary cliff]

Its more there to say this nameless dude is 100% ushimaru

[zinc iris]

zoro trained under koshiro and with kuina and also met the grandpa that originated from wano and all of them were shimotsuki

[amber oar]

The Rorouni part is interesting though... I'll go to check the raw

[zinc iris]

yeah nameless dude is ushimaru but I'm pretty sure I already saw his face before this chapter

[waxen dust]

lmao you know that’s actually true, especially since he doesn’t ever reveal his name

[zinc iris]

at least, I recall having seen ushimaru's face already

so I already knew he was this guy in the current flashback because I recognized him

[weary cliff]

We had his profile in slight silhouette iirc

[amber oar]

Last chapter was pretty clear

Sideburns and all

The question is, how Onimaru didn't find something familiar

[zinc iris]

yeah it was that one

It was a better time when zoro just had the same style because he was trained by the same clan

[weary cliff]

Onimaru is confirmed face blind to humans

[ancient vault]

oda said "CTRL C + CTRL V"

[ancient vault]

Oda is probably gonna make him be like "I did notice a similarity... but I stayed quiet"

[ancient vault]

I honestly think this is bad if the only thing being added to Zoros character through this connection is the bloodline. Because I srsly dont get why this is needed. Now its all "ofc he fights like ushimaru HE IS A SHIMOTSUKI HIMSELF"

[zinc iris]

I'm really feeling like I'm reading naruto

[little phoenix]

zoros mom might be toki

[zinc iris]

zoro's mom was the best swordswoman

[weary cliff]

I think it's neat to tie him to Ryuma, I guess. At least it doesn't bother me

[zinc iris]

there already was

[mossy dock]

I dont understand why its supposed to be bad

[zinc iris]

low tier storytelling

[mossy dock]

Isnt usopp also the son of one of the best snipers around

And son of someone on a top tier yonko crew

[zinc iris]

usopp is an adventurer

[weary cliff]

Being secretly related to someone famous is a bit of a lazy trope

[zinc iris]

remember when that roger's son being someone else that died mid-story was a masterstroke? this is literally the inverse

[mossy dock]

Well then i would have to criticize more straw hats based on this

[zinc iris]

not really because even thos illustrous parentages have little bearing on their chosen path

Judge is a scientifically advenced warlord, not a chef martial artist

[mossy dock]

What about robin then?

Wouldve been nicer if robins mom was a farmer

[zinc iris]

robin inherited ohara as a whole, definitely didn't just ride on her mom's coattails

[mossy dock]

Oh okay, so just because its zoro here thats why its bad

The same logic cant apply here

[zinc iris]

being direct descendant of the best swordsman ever existed does diminish his struggle quite a lot indeed

[mossy dock]

Sanji being a awesome cook even after having a dad like this is pretty cool.

[zinc iris]

it just murdered his underdog story

now it is his birthright all along

[night condor]

Do you guys think monosuke and Yamoto will join Luffy's crew and Monosuke's sister would stay and govern Wano instead or...?

[mossy dock]

I mean the muscles didnt come from nowhere, the loyalty etc is different

It wouldve been weird if he was the son of mihawk

[weary cliff]

Momo is Shogun

[zinc iris]

it's not that different in terms of premise

it just is a betrayal of the theme the story was pursuing

or Ace's parentage really was just a fluke and I overestimated Oda

[ancient vault]

That was the best decision oda made

[ancient vault]

Nah I think Momo is bound to rule Wano as Shogun now

[night condor]

I think that Ushimaru might've survived and then somehow landed on east blue and then had Zoro there, because how did Zoro know about Wano in the first place since his battle with Ryuma.

[zinc iris]

the village was already founfed by wano immigrants

[ancient vault]

Especially kawa and hyogoro mentioning his fighting style

[zinc iris]

koshiro and kuina were other members of the shimotsuki clan already

[night condor]

His father probably died and then last words were probably for Zoro to become strong haha

[ancient vault]

Ushimaru is the grandpa

[night condor]

oh

I thought Ryuma was the grandpa

[ancient vault]

Also Ushimaru died in the fight vs Kaido

Ushimaru grandpa is a theory. I just hate the dad idea when ushimaru is that old

[mossy dock]

Well it is what it is. It doesnt bother me to find out about zoro's lineage. It makes more sense to me but I guess there are definitely people who wont like it

[ancient vault]

ryuma is multiple centuries ago

[weary cliff]

Father, grandfather, 3rd cousin, we don't really know

[mossy dock]

But thats how it usually goes anyways

[zinc iris]

I thought one piece was less garbage

[mossy dock]

Yea thats what i mean about how people would react to it in certain ways

[zinc iris]

shit like this is one of the many reasons naruto was an inferior story to one piece

[night condor]

I assumed monosuke will travel with Luffy now because he is older and will want to find out what is on Raftel like oden

[lean pine]

Yasuie is Zoros dad

[zinc iris]

and I'm really disheartened to witness this happening

[mossy dock]

So if yamato joins, you would probably drop the series right?

[lean pine]

Hes been on sea his entire life, and wano needs someone too lead it

[weary cliff]

Momo has a specific duty. It feels like this is related to Wano

[mossy dock]

Being the giften daughter of a yonko and all, strongest character at least currently

[zinc iris]

heavily depends on the reasons, if it's just to blindly ape Oden I might

[fathom matrix]

I think Yamato's a bit too OP for the group. I wouldn't drop the series, but she would feel like another Luffy, plus being a haki, coc and mythical DF user would be a bit much for the team.

[weary cliff]

Yo it sucks that Entryhazard is bummed these developments. Don't have to rub it in. People enjoy the story differently

[night condor]

True ig, he'll probably use the time that Luffy is traveling to train up too.

[mossy dock]

Fair point i guess, but at this point, no matter the reason for her joining, in the end she will always be kaidos daughter so the lineage will be there, pretty crap then

[night condor]

Do you guys think that Enel will show up again? lol

[ancient vault]

Given up on carrot yet? @zinc iris

[night condor]

I saw several theories that shadow (which was Oden) was Enel lmao

[fathom matrix]

So? Blood doesn't matter. Of course to the people of Wano it does, but for the strawhats they respect and care for you being you.

[night condor]

That would've been random

[weary cliff]

A mythical zoan is some variety at least

[mossy dock]

No i meant the for certain fans, lineage matters quite a lot

[shadow pike]

Do you guys think Lox and Dlagon have any relation?

[mossy dock]

For example if momo joined, for some it would ruin the story as he is the son of oden, kozuki, voice of all things, kaidos devil fruit etc etc

[weary cliff]

I think we're moving to a point where need these Jinbeis and Yamatos to balance the weaker combatants

[fathom matrix]

Yeah, but I notice that the straw hats have simple DFs that they make awesome aspects out of via their own skills. They made Rubber, Human transformation, Hands and reviving very powerful and useful, because they managed to rework and train with that power. A powerful arctic wolf would be a bit much.

[night condor]

i don't think she will be too OP for the group, cuz Luffy does still have to fight Shanks and Blackbeard

[shadow pike]

agreed, particularly if they're going to face big maam and blackbeard (where i presume it will be more 1v1 fights vs. having a whole country fighting with them)

[zinc iris]

I'm just stopping to care about everything

[night condor]

Nah Carrot will definitely join the group

[zinc iris]

because the problem is just at a more fundamental level than me predicting a character

[night condor]

... Probably lol

[shadow pike]

how many chapters has it been since callot has had any real dialogue?

[mossy dock]

Im also for carrot joining, she is fun

[zinc iris]

ironically, 1

[night condor]

Yeah

[shadow pike]

what hahaha shows how much i pay attention

[zinc iris]

however at this point I don't know wheter to apply basic storytelling logic anymore

[ancient vault]

U good bro?

[night condor]

lol, yeah I was kinda surprised that Franky joined back then because of how they beat up Ussop

[zinc iris]

because it wouldn't make sense to just drop carrot where she is now after the setup and confrontation with perospero, without any purpose, but Oda might just do it at this point

[reef oar]

How you feel about the god stuff being introduced. Joyboy being Nika probably. People theorize Imu is god of the sea etc. Do you feel like it's the same as the mother of chakra from Naruto (an insane asspull and ruins the world building)

[ancient vault]

Same way it made no sense to give zoro the shimotsuki bloodline just for the bloodline it seems

[zinc iris]

that part is pretty innocuous actually

[night condor]

I heard a theory that the original celestial dragons came from out of space and then started a war with the one piece kings

[ancient vault]

wdym innocuous

[surreal oriole]

I don't think it's too much, I felt this crew was always going to surpass Roger's in every way. Plus Kaido is the first yonkou to go down and it's not going to be Luffy's toughest fight I would imagine

[ancient vault]

we already know where the CDs are from so the theory is wrong

[zinc iris]

nika the sun god just expands the joyboy lore in a manner that doesn't seem damaging to the theme of the story

[night condor]

oh lol

[ancient vault]

Oh my dumbass didnt read the naruto part of the question

I hope oda makes joyboy a title

[night condor]

I wonder if Usopp is gonna train his observation haki

[weary cliff]

The straw hats need a haki bootcamp but the story demands they keep moving. No time for that

[night condor]

True

[fathom matrix]

No, because Nika is more lore related and adds more into a mystery of the void century, Kaguya was a rushed idea at the end of the manga, because Kishimoto made Madara "too strong", so he got an even stronger and more dull character to fix that...and Oda's planned his story.

[night condor]

Can't wait for the war that may come when Luffy finds out what happened to Sabo.

[weary cliff]

Even if Oda didn't plan out everything to the level we're seeing now, he is much better at expanding without breaking his world than most authors

[night condor]

Is Luffy's haki at the level of admirals now?

[fathom matrix]

OP may be long, but it's long for a reason because it has an immense amount of world building and history.

[surreal oriole]

Above it

[weary cliff]

Probably at least. He has to fight yonko

[night condor]

Kinda hyped about how luffy talked about embedding Conquerors haki it into his body. Or did I read it wrong?

Cuz his new ryo doesn't do much damage to Kaido and the others

[fathom matrix]

We can agree he's not Yonko level, probably nearing or is at Admiral level.

It took 15 people to damage Kaido, and Luffy lost twice in a row. If me and a bunch of a guys fought up a pro boxer, and after the amount of damage we did, I got the last couple of his and he went down, I'm not pro boxer level, cause I didn't solo him, and I had help.

[weary cliff]

Kaido is the strongest dude. Of course Luffy isnt his level. But he's officially in the same league

[night condor]

True cuz it took three admirals to block whitebeards haki attack

[gentle jewel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4m91RQQl54

[fathom matrix]

I wouldn't say the same league. He's done a decent and brilliant amount of damage, but this dude fighting another coc user with a mythical fruit, Luffy's still behind.

[gentle jewel]

tf is this

[acoustic helm]

I think zoro is just a kid from the village that shimotsuki samurai saved.
Carrying the teachings of shimotsuki and promise to kuina Zoro somehow unknowingly brings shu sui to wano ,like returning the favour.to the shimotsuki clan.
But I don't seem to get my head around is the facial resemblance with ryuma and ushimaru.Cuz that way zoro has to carry shimotsuki blood ,some ppl say his mother was shimotsuki .but we can only speculate.

[fathom matrix]

the anime added more scenes to foreshadow Zoro's conquorers

[surreal oriole]

If Yamato joins it feels like we are setting up, yamato , Zoro, and Sanji to take on the admirals and Luffys get akinu

[gentle jewel]

thats not even foreshadowing tho thats basically jus confirming it

[night condor]

Yeah probably

[fathom matrix]

why not Jinbe, Sanji and Zoro vs the admirals, and Luffy takes on akainu?

I thought's that'd be interesting.

[night condor]

Zoro and furtora, Sanji and Kizaru, and Yamoto vs that new guy

[fathom matrix]

Zoro vs Fuijitora

Sanji vs Kizaru

Jinbe vs Green Bull

[night condor]

Jinbe will probably take on some admiral candidates

[acoustic helm]

Well this is inconsistent as in front kaido zoro acts like he doesn't know that he got conqueror.
But anime showed full-fledged coc.

[night condor]

I looked at Gion which was supposdely an admiral candidate

[zinc iris]

Morally it should just be this, he is the inheritor of kuina that is a last descendant of Ryuma, but now I have to risk this ushimaru is zoro's dad happening instead

[fathom matrix]

Nah, I could totes see him fighting an admiral. I could see Green Bull being 3rd in the admiral strength level, (I don't cound akainu, cause he's the fleet admiral)

[craggy pumice]

Zoro vs. Admiral „Ryokugyu“ Shimotsuki Ushimaru

[gentle jewel]

im coinfused tho why would they do this

[night condor]

Zoro showed some level of it when he scared off some bandits on Saboady

[surreal oriole]

I could see that aswell, especially if Yamato doesn't join

[zinc iris]

But my confidence in this story was already cracked by CoC being a combat requirement

[acoustic helm]

Maybe child of courtesan that ushimura slept with .and she went with samurais under ushimaru's order.

[gentle jewel]

wasnt that jus bloodlust/ intimidation, like what he did when he almost cut the celestial dragon when he got saved

[acoustic helm]

Anime is drawn in Mysterious ways

[night condor]

I mean qualities of a king should be obvious to have the ability to reach the top right?

[mossy dock]

I mean you don't have to read it if you dont like it

[fathom matrix]

Ye.

Don't get me wrong, I don't dislike Yamato, she's awesome. I just feel like I wouldn't know what her role would be on the crew, I feel like she breaks the dynamic a bit, and she would be another Luffy.

[ancient vault]

toei is stupid

[shy crater]

Worst way to reveal someone has coc lol

[zinc iris]

It should not be a hard requirement to compete, such an inborn gift that cannot be attained with effort

[night condor]

Who knows lol. But didn't she want to join ace?

[ancient vault]

Oda made a great reveal and they just ruined it theyre actually so stupid

[zinc iris]

It was better when it was a cool badge

[acoustic helm]

Man whitebeard got nerfed

[fathom matrix]

Yeah, but bomb bracelets....soooooo

[shy crater]

“Foreshadowed it”

[gentle jewel]

yeah literally shit is pissin me off

[night condor]

Yeah kinda wished they showed the colors of haki more so that we can see a clear difference in haki strenght

[acoustic helm]

Maybe zoro is child of courtesan that ushimura slept with .and she went out of wano with samurais under ushimaru's order.

[night condor]

Lol I dont think so. Oden hasn't gone that off the path of a accidental child

[zinc iris]

my issue ultimately is

it's a power level tied to a lottery, it's not something that can be potentially be reached with training as previously established you either are born with CoC or no
but before this it was just a cool badge, now it's something that is required to be at the top instead of just giving an edge, undercutting the underdog theme the story is attempting to push at the same time

it was better when it was fodder clear because it was more of a cool badge rather than a hard requirement to win against the strongest opponents

[acoustic helm]

Or maybe zoro's mom had a bad habit of getting lost
And she went on the wrong ship.

[night condor]

lmao

He probably hit his head like Goku

[mossy dock]

I mean lineage might help in having coc, but you can probably get it with your own effort as well

[ancient vault]

I lowkey expected it to be sth important honestly. Shanks seemed to have used sth like that and we still had 5 major fights. Bm, Kaido, Shanks, Blackbeard and the WG and awakening is only enough for one or two fights.

[gentle jewel]

what confuses me about the zoro coc thing in 984 is they make it seem like hes always had it and knows how to use it whereas in the manga he didnt even know, which doesnt make any sense

[mossy dock]

Like big mom for example

[acoustic helm]

Speaking of lineage maybe yamato got coc quick by seeing odens execution

[night condor]

True for example, despite Hawkeye's strength, he hasn't been shown to have it

[ancient vault]

She got it from defending herself against the fodder

[night condor]

But rayleigh also has coc so it will probably be like that since Zoro is second in command

[acoustic helm]

Fodder didn't tortured her

[exotic echo]

@crimson orbit this server is not the place to advertise that

[mossy dock]

Ace had coc and he probably didnt know he had it

[surreal oriole]

See I just get a different impression of her. After the growth sanji goes through with his fight with queen. I think he and zoro will be clearly stronger than yamato with her being a close 4th with jimbe even with conquers. It seems to be that with the changes that's happening to sanji that are setting up a way for him to be a powerhouse without conquers. But idk we will see

[ancient vault]

they still did sth for her to activate it

[gentle jewel]

he did

[mossy dock]

At least in the beginning

[acoustic helm]

Cute little yamato

[mossy dock]

Didnt zoro scare the shit outta those bandit guys back in pre timeskip sabaody

[acoustic helm]

Her bonding with samurais was wholesome

[mossy dock]

And then they told him the directions, or was that anime only?

[surreal oriole]

Sanji is already a monster but sanji with his genetic augmentations activated+the raid suit and Haki he is going to be a freak

[night condor]

I feel like the raid suit didn't do much tbh

Cuz it did take him a few hits to defeat those ancient df

[mossy dock]

I mean he got to peep in womens bath

[acoustic helm]

It would have been crazy if those samurai became big shot in marines and cp 0 for 20 years

[night condor]

lmao got his wish come true

[lean pine]

Raid suit a boring way to increase his power and takes away from his wci character development

[night condor]

I think Yamoto will probably fight that one girl that can transform in Blackbeard's crew

[surreal oriole]

Yeah but combined with whatever changes are going on in his body will get him over the hill.

[night condor]

Yeah I thought so too

Yeah I wonder what the Lunarian is

I think it will be better for Sanji to not have a df cuz he is a good swimmer

But now there's jimbe so...

He already caught sight of the holy grail in Arabasta

Was it coc or bloodlust when Luffy scared that bull

[mossy dock]

I'd say coc, luffy doesnt really have bloodlust

[night condor]

Why isn't Blackbeard's bounty as high as the others with the fact that he has two df

[dusky acorn]

Time is a large factor in amassing bounties as well. The other Emperors have had decades worth of build up towards their bounties, over him. Blackbeard getting his as high as he did in just 2 years is already impressive. His price may go up once more by the end of the story as well, as he's still plotting things

[ancient vault]

He went from 0 bounty to to 2 billion in 2 years

Thats impressive enough and after wano it will rise again probably

[night condor]

True

[ancient vault]

Honestly find it more impressive how tf he managed to stay at 0 bounty for like 40 years

[night condor]

Yeah lol ig the navy just treated him as cannon fodder as a whitebeard pirate

[plucky kiln]

Mysterious man = Zorros Father = Odens friend = admiral green bull = founder of SWORD because he is a samurai and likes sword = waits for the event oden predicted and got stronger in the meantime by joining marine etc.

and maybe he killed kuina because he feared zoro would become a simp

[rain peak]

mysterious man is allah

[plucky kiln]

I really hope that the 3 unknown samurai

are some beasts

[ancient vault]

Theyre dead

Ushimaru is dead. They were all killed in the fight vs Kaido

[surreal oriole]

Unfortunately I think this is the case. Although I love the theorys that he is the admiral but idk seems like a stretch. But if anyone can pull it off its Oda

[plucky kiln]

I think that answer is too easy

although I dont know a bette rone
only the god itself does

[weary cliff]

Too easy? I think escaping all of Onigashima while Kaido is home is too complicated

[zinc iris]

I'm actually curious about the other two samurai that were there

[ancient vault]

It was literally said in the vivrecard and in the manga that they died lol

[ancient vault]

Fugetsu and Uzuki

[zinc iris]

I don't recall these names

[surreal oriole]

Oh it's already confirmed? Lol those theorys didnt even get off the ground

[light onyx]

Brook revenge arc

[pure raven]

hello fellow fans, i've returned with another ground breaking theory
ace revived by brook

[jade moon]

I debunk it already

[pure raven]

go ahead debunk yonk haider

[jade moon]

It’s your own explanation that’s going to debunk it

[pure raven]

well

[jade moon]

[pure raven]

its chapter 1236. brook has met laboon and

[jade moon]

Okay i am still intrigued though. Go on

[pure raven]

he smiles and says

'now that i have met u old friend... i owe my captain a favor for rescuing me from my 50 year imrpprisonment..'

he pops his soul out of his body

brook lays there..just a pile of bones

he flies to ace's grave (this is why oda made sure shanks preserved ace's body)

and he enters it through the hole in ace

brook is now in ace body

he goes to luffy and he says 'i have returned brother'

[dusky crest]

Could brook eventually be able to revive other people if he awakens his devil fruit??????🧐🧐🧐🧐🧐🧐🧐

[sour frost]

based

[dusky crest]

What if luffy somehow dies or someone in the crew dies and brook revives them ??

I think it’s possible and I think the revive revive fruit isn’t as simple as we think, it obviously wasn’t just reviving

[pure raven]

shafem with all due respect this is my theory stop co-opting it

[dusky crest]

Broom can manipulate souls and stuff so maybe

[sour frost]

go off @dusky crest

[dusky crest]

?? I was j chilling and thought of it lmao

Great minds think alike??

[pure raven]

oh i oh i see

yes thats correct great minds think

alike

[dusky crest]

But anyways I think it could def be a big part of a major arc where we think somebody in the crew dies and brook revives them somehow

Maybe war arc??🧐

…

[light onyx]

Brook will be cremated

[sturdy hound]

@sick gull please dont reference other series even if it's for comparison

[normal plume]

So what are we thinking..Zoros father

Is this our man?

Zoro has some lineage in Wano..he looks like Zoro too. The timeline doesn’t fit for it to be Ryuma

[reef nest]

Ushimaru..

[normal plume]

Ahh I can see it but it may be connected

[pure raven]

Was it ever confirmed that kaido was not a fish man?

[solid badger]

He ain’t got that jagged teeth

[pure raven]

Is that a trait all fishmen have?

[solid badger]

From what I remember

Unless he’s a merefolk

[pure raven]

I’m just wondering cause Yamato has the horns since they were really young so it’s obviously not just a hat

[solid badger]

Considering she’s his daughter, we already knew that wasn’t a hat

[pure raven]

I’m just trying to think of some race that can have horns unless oda is just doing the same thing as king where we won’t actually know until he tells us

[solid badger]

Most popular theory is that his race is connected to the ancient giants like oars

[pure raven]

Yamato looked insanely small compared to kaido in the last panel

[solid badger]

Kaido most likely banged a normal sized beautiful woman. By comparison to shinobu, adult mono is normal sized human in comparison to oden who was an extra large chad

Momo*

[pure raven]

I’d say Yamato is 2x luffy

Oh Yamato is 8’8”

Kaido is only about 28’

[ancient vault]

Pretty sure oda already revealed how tall yamato is

[solid badger]

[oak cipher]

Zoro is 21 right? So doesn't it line up for him being snuck out of Wano as a baby?

[modest skiff]

That's what I'm assuming

[oak cipher]

Also Nobody Important just feels like he's teasing us with nothing happened

[reef oar]

[dusky acorn]

@reef oar Hey man, please don't flood this chat with a flurry of meme lineages like that. Just stick to seriously discussing while in here as you have been in the past

[dusky acorn]

Yeah, that's why I think Ushimaru definitely can't be his father. Probably grandpa or something of the like

Whoever Zoro's actual parents were in Shimotsuki village had to be someone other than Ushimaru. The boat that left for East Blue dates back 55 years ago

[opaque notch]

After this chapter i believe Yamato is actually Oden, at least part of oden consciousness get transferred to Yamato,

[cyan berry]

@opaque notch

please refrain from meme theories here

[ancient veldt]

What if he done the deed to concieve Yamato in his hybrid form thus horns.

[hexed thistle]

theres no theories channel so imma put it here

you guys know gear 4th is made by Luffy blowing his arm with haki right?

so maybe gear 5th might be with ryou

[wraith belfry]

For example?

[wintry badger]

Isn’t ryou just what they call haki in Wano? Like Mantra for the sky people

[sly mulch]

Look at Gold Roger and Ace and then look at Garp and dragon. This isn’t enough for Ushimaru not to be zoro father

[pure raven]

forget I asked I thought it through

[pastel summit]

That's simply the boat for people who founded the village though. Nothing says that other people from Wano didn't leave later than them. It's very possible that a wave of people left when Oden execution was announced since he was basically the last hope of Wano.

[hexed thistle]

no

ryou is haki but

its hard to explain

[wintry badger]

Ah, it’s that invisible armor kind of thing

[hexed thistle]

ye

the thing rayleigh had when he fought the elephant in timeskip

[pastel summit]

Ryuo is indeed what people in wano call haki. It is basically the equivalent of mantra for armament haki. yes.

[hexed thistle]

no but its different

[wintry badger]

It’s the Wano name for the advanced armament haki

[hexed thistle]

i guess

[pastel summit]

no, it is just what they call haki. There is no such thing as advanced armament haki. It is just a different application of armament haki.

[hexed thistle]

yeah thats what i mean

[pastel summit]

Yes, so why would you say it's not haki. It is haki. It's not that complicated. Ryuo is a term that exists only in Wano, and it's a term that describes armament haki. Just how "Ryuo" is taught in Wano is different to outside of Wano.

[hexed thistle]

its haki

but its different

that's what i was saying

[halcyon talon]

@hexed thistle do you mean same exact thing just a different name?

[civic pelican]

Ryou is an advanced form of Armament Haki which creates an invisible armor around the user and can destroy an opponent from the inside, which is good against tough skinned foes.

[toxic oriole]

you think that marco still has to show his hybrid yet?

[silent crown]

does the numbers game on onigasima really matter? all the coc users there cud put em to sleep like luffy did on fishman island

[upbeat mist]

they call his child the "oni princess" why would they call a fish-man an oni

[pure raven]

why do they call chopper a raccoon dog instead of a reindeer?

[grizzled fog]

There’s no real reason to think kaido is a fishman

[pure raven]

i asked if theres any confirmation that he ISNT a fishman

[grizzled fog]

No? Dunno what that would look like, no one is gonna say he isn’t one. Dunno how that one would come up

[reef oar]

A fish man who uses the koi fish fruit 😐

[pure raven]

sengoku? a human who uses the human human fruit?

[reef oar]

ayo...

[ancient vault]

u laid it out for him and he still doesnt get it

[hollow tartan]

We know that king race used to live in top of the red line and i remember seeing imu sama
Open this big door and inside there were some old buildings and the big straw hat so what if mary Geoise was built on top of the place where king's tribe used to live

did the world government kill all of king's tribe and if they did why did they do it ? And if the world government killed them why did the WG built mary Geoise in the same place where king's race used to live

[modest silo]

Latest chapter and Zoro's family? I think it's obvious his bloodline is from Wano.

[pastel summit]

that would make king over 800 yrs old.

[gilded willow]

not necessarily

[hollow tartan]

But marco Said that king is from that tribe so what if his parents were the only survivers from the attack

[modest silo]

Probably like an uchiha situation or some shit?

[pastel summit]

the red line is massive, it doesn't mean that the tribe used to live in the exact spot where mary geoise is.

[modest silo]

Doesn't mary geoise take up all of the area above?

[pastel summit]

It's literally the single biggest landmass in OP world, I'm sure that there are other places people lived other than Mary Geoise.

No, it's just 1 specific area on the red line that's above the grand line.

[hollow tartan]

Marco said that they used to live there so maybe something happened to them

[pastel summit]

yes, something obviously happened to them, but that doesn't mean it's related to void century.

considering king is only 50 yrs old or w/e, it means whatever happened was recent.

[modest silo]

Maybe King's tribe is a parallel to the Minks, Minks were being hunted for having Raizo. Maybe King's tribe were hunted for having or knowing something about the will of D?

[gilded willow]

maybe the lunarian were created in an artificial way by the people from raftel

we saw some tech in enel story in the moon, and sanji was the last of humans experiments

[modest silo]

We haven't seen the Lunarian faces, I expect something like Lizards.

[grizzled fog]

Not necessarily, king could be descended from a few survivors that lived over the years. Whitebeard’s wording makes me think that whatever happened was a long time ago

[pure raven]

new vivre card says king is 49

[gilded willow]

maybe valley of god was up there, or some where in between and thats why that figt involves tenryubitos garp and roger

[grizzled fog]

He’s 47

[pure raven]

ye

[modest silo]

Lizardmen - Lunarian, Mink - Mammal like creatures, Fishmen - Fishmen? Sun, Moon and Sea? I don't know though.

[pure raven]

i couldnt reemmber just remember it was in 40s

[modest silo]

Sanji could possibly have been experimented on with Lunarian DNA?

Bartolomeo is Green Bull? Maybe he is attempting to start a war between Shanks and Luffy? Maybe Bartolomeo is under Green Bull or Ryokugyu ( Did I spell it right? )

[grizzled fog]

Whh. Why do you think he’s related to Greenbull

[modest silo]

Nose ring makes me think of bulls and he has green hair i dunno

[upbeat mist]

name a single person who knows chopper well who calls him a tanuki. if the people watching yamato dont say "oni princess" when theyre the ones who know her best then why would yamato be a fishman

stupid nonsequitor argument

[pure raven]

I doubt anyone in kaidos army whos lower than a calamity knows anything about him other than hes an emperor

[modest silo]

CHO PAH

https://tenor.com/view/luffy-chopper-onepiece-gif-11033467

[pure raven]

they could just call her "oni princess" because one she has horns and two she is the child of kaido who looks like an oni

[modest silo]

They clearly call Yamato "kaido's son"

And he calls himself "Oden"

[pure raven]

what does taht have to do with what im talking about

[modest silo]

What does this have to do with #manga-theories

[upbeat mist]

It's technically discussion on fishman kaido but eh

[modest silo]

Honestly I didn't read the thread above my fault, I just finished reading it, I was for real bouta leave the server out of embarrassment 😂 😂 . Man I look stupid, kinda like Luffy.

[faint plinth]

Orochi will be killed by getting drunk

In the stories, Yamata no Orochi was defeated by getting drunk on sake

So I believe alcohol will play a part

[grand walrus]

is the red line like the red sea? where moses parted the red sea someone will part the red line?

[worthy belfry]

Momo can be kaido kid, and yamoto is oden daughter, their babies were exchanged somehow

[supple anchor]

and the horns on yamato?

[drowsy marsh]

New Yuderon video is good although sometimes reachy. The most interesting thing in my eyes was that Blackbeard might get Pluton.

[craggy pumice]

I’m waiting for that

[drowsy marsh]

Perfect time for him to get it as Alabasta is in disarray. I can see Vivi coming back as a result. And down the line Franky will probably build a second Pluton to counter the first

[light onyx]

Weird how’s there’s no emperor in wano but there’s a shogun

[sturdy hound]

kaido is kind of the emperor in this case

since orochi answers to him

[light onyx]

So when wano finishes do you think momonosuke would be emperor and Kin’emon the shogun and the other samurai as the daimyos of the other regions

[sturdy hound]

nah

momo will be shogun and that's it

they dont really need an emperor anyway

[reef nest]

Kinemon Shogun? Huge plans for someone who dead

[lone plaza]

imo i don’t see kinemon dying

[light onyx]

Oh right

[lone plaza]

what’s that

[light onyx]

Kinemon

[lone plaza]

oh kaido and kinemon

i don’t think he’s dead tho, that’s not usually how someone dies in one piece

[reef nest]

Good enough death for a war, doesn't have to be more dramatic than what we got

[lone plaza]

true

i don’t think kinemon is dead but, at the same time if he is i won’t be surprised, ygm ?

[light onyx]

Ig ur right deaths in one piece are unusual

He’s a samurai and normally samurai die in battle ig it’s considered an honourable death

[lone plaza]

i just expected him to die infront of someone, yhh that’s what i mean

[light onyx]

Protecting ur lord (momo)

[lone plaza]

people in one piece usually die honourably and seeing that kinemon has been with in the story since punk hazard, he would’ve at least had a more dramatic ending

[light onyx]

I feel like that was dramatic enough

[lone plaza]

it’s debatable

but i can see him also being dead tho cause he took a lot of damage

[light onyx]

Looks dramatic to me

[lone plaza]

ahh, kinemon is dead

i just realised how dramatic his death was, he’s 100% dead

[light onyx]

The memories convinced me he was dead

There’s a chance he’s probably alive cuz ..One piece

[lone plaza]

i believe he’s dead but, Oda gonna pull a one piece classic as usual

[drowsy copper]

What if, the silhoutte that saved the 9 samurai was actaully the mother of Zoro, wife of Ushimaru Shimotsuki?... I was still wondering how Zoro could happen to know about his family.. and his mother showing up doesn't seem soemthing impossible to happen

[light onyx]

||It was ussop||

[pure raven]

Onimaru probably knows a lot about his family, and Zoro might want to say goodbye to Shusui in the cemetery, just like he did in Thriller Bark with Yubashiri. Thriller Bark and Wano have loads of parallels like that

[agile tangle]

Wait really?

[runic osprey]

Did yamato use advanced coc haki in the latest chapter?

[night jewel]

yup

[light onyx]

Ye

[runic osprey]

Damn mythical zoan power and advanced coc haki just like his father yamato is a beast

[agile tangle]

Wait how do you know?

Also could you tell me the chapter no. I forgot

[light onyx]

Latest chapter

[agile tangle]

There was no mention of it tho?

[primal pivot]

They talking abt spoilers from 1024

Ah its out nvm

[pastel olive]

I have a theory that in Elbaf, Jormungandr( The World Serpent), will show up in the series somehow, probably as some sort of devil fruit user

[pure raven]

Yo

I posted a theory about next arc after wano and hancock captured: https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/phr32v/boa_hancock_captured_theory_next_arc/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

[cyan berry]

Color spreads don't and will not affect anything that happens in the series

[hollow tartan]

Maybe cuz the minks can use electricity and lunarian can use fire

[teal ivy]

Ushimaru’s sword a black blade ?

[pure raven]

he used haki

the swords Kaidou gave them

the sword he picked wasn't black

[light onyx]

Bruh

[hexed thistle]

i guess

[velvet edge]

Yea he used Haki. You can see in the right panel it’s normal but on the left it is colored similar to swords when infused with haki

[native harbor]

Yo guys, I guess I'm onto something

Look at this thread from 7 years ago

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/835127637420671006/883718813210804405/unknown.png

I was rereading the post Eneise Lobby arc, when Sanji got his first bounty, this strange panel with Akainu and the photographer man, it ties up well with how Sanji is being compared to King's race
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/835127637420671006/883719318376960000/20210904_152326.jpg?width=648&height=864

[solemn magnet]

I hope this true

[ancient vault]

@native harbor then why did sanji have a photo post TS lol

The guy just forgot to take off the lens

[native harbor]

yeah I know, my point was more that Oda is hinting at something, be it the demonic thing or the stealth black thing

[jade moon]

Or his stealth black lineage could be hinting at a demon’s lineage?

[reef oar]

Probably true except for Shanks is dead

[fathom matrix]

I would still love it if when Luffy meets Shanks again, he gives him the hat and he goes "Thanks Luffy...hey, want to keep this hat?" and Luffy goes "Okay"

Like it's so casual and Luffy says "I said I'd give it back to him one day, and I did. If he's gonna let me keep it, I'ma take it"

[boreal salmon]

hes ded?

[reef oar]

There’s evidence that suggests Blackbeard kills Shanks before the final battle

Or that he will

[boreal salmon]

whats the evidence

[runic osprey]

They will clash and it will be a huge fight its already predicted with the line up we got in the marineford war

[bitter kraken]

No evidence

[drowsy marsh]

There is no evidence. There are hints, but no evidence

[jade moon]

I feel kuina isn’t dead…kuina is the mysterious silhouette who saved the nine samurais. So, i feel zoro has to give her sword back and in return he will get the other cursed sword

[drowsy marsh]

If you lose to stairs, you should stay down

[jade moon]

It’s highly unlikely she lost to a mere set of stairs xD

[pure raven]

NO

[pure raven]

bros

i have a new groundbreaking theory

long ago there was an

ancient kingdom

on the red line

their ruler was caled.............nika (mindblowing)

but then the world govt led by imu defeated his kingdom

nika (joyboy) passed away....

now luffy is the new...joy boy;

what do u think guys

[modest skiff]

Channel rules: serious theories only, just FYI. For shitposts and jokes etc, use #manga and #also-manga

[acoustic helm]

https://c.tenor.com/fYnYe8fqV5oAAAAM/mybad-sorry.gif

[fast hollow]

Maybe xebec assumed that kaido is joyboy but later he realised that he is not...thats why kaido knows about joy boy and tells luffy that also you cant become joy boy

Joy boy name itself represents that he was very much like luffy who enjoys everything with joy and laughter...and he also surrounds people close together like luffy maybe thats why his name became joy boy

[drowsy marsh]

Xebec doesn't sound like the person to search for a joyboy. I think he wants to rule the world.

I wonder if marvel original stories can be applied to One Piece

HYDRA was founded on the belief that humanity could not be trusted with its own freedom. What we did not realize is that if you try to take that freedom, they resist. The war taught us much. Humanity needed to surrender its freedom willingly.

[fading kraken]

why did I just saw this in instagram post few hours ago and you are saying the exact word to word here?

[fast hollow]

Bcoz i cant share picture here

[fading kraken]

Well atleast give credits to the account or say this is not mine.

[drowsy marsh]

This one is cool too "Thousands of years ago, an Inhuman was born on this planet that was destined to rule it, so powerful, so fearsome that others were consumed with dread, and so they banished it from the Earth, sent it through the portal to a distant planet."

[fast hollow]

When did i say that ...i think or i assume

[fading kraken]

Yea where is that? you said maybe and it was taken from someone else's maybe. Give credit or don't take credit.

Okay let's stop this. I don't wanna argue you or anything. Just give credits man from next time.

[fast hollow]

I also dont want someone else theory to represent as mine

If i had permission to share picture i would definitely do that

[fading kraken]

I feel you. Just add the account name or something like that or just say at the end that this is not mine theory or anything or I found it on instagram.

[fast hollow]

👍👍

[modest skiff]

I still think Sengoku saw Xebec as wanting to rule because they think he was arrogant to think he can reshape the world without caring about the consequences. My theory is that Garp/Sekgoku both understand the CDs and the ruling structure of the world are morally corrupt, but they see their hands being tied so that people don't die in a war against the CDs. I think they hated Xebec because Xebec was willing to let that war happen for the eventual liberation of the planet. Sengoku and Garp are essentially cowards who would rather keep the peace than achieve absolute freedom. They understand the CDs have weapons that can kill an incredible amount of people. I think they take a pragmatic approach of "if we can keep the peace and keep people alive, that is better than letting a ton of people die for freedom". And I think BB subscribes to similar beliefs as Xebec and that is why he named his ship after Xebec. I think Sengoku and Garp's cowardice is more socially acceptable in Japan, where someone saying they know better than everyone else is a lot more frowned upon than Western culture. They see themselves as being heroic for keeping their emotions in check and staying under the foot of CDs. I think they view their emotional resilience as a sign of strength rather than weakness. I think Xebec essentially rejected their entire moral framework and that's why Sengoku sees Xebec as wanting to rule the world: he was willing to reject and dismantle the moral framework of the navy

[tribal sky]

I have a theory that goes ahead, that's more of a prediction for how the story is going to turn out in the near future.
For the Elbaf Arc, although we'll likely have something serious in it. I think near the end of it we're going to have Shanks vs Luffy. Not a fight to the death, of course, but more of a fight from Shanks' perspective, where he wants to see if Luffy is worthy of being the Pirate King.

[drowsy marsh]

Obviously, Sengoku is a flawed narrator as he has served under the CD. But I still don't think Xebec wanted to liberate the planet. I think he wanted to take the place of the CD's. His crew was known for fighting and brutality. And isn't even remembered fondly as his former crew has never mentioned him directly and no one has the same noble dream as Xebec . Like Kaido, Xebec probably build his crew with a similar philosophy, strength over everything. It feels very unlikely that person like that wanted to free the world. Even Roger who does not serve the CD, helped with stopping Xebec.

[modest skiff]

His crew included BM, who seeks to build an empire where all races coexist and WB. I don't buy the idea that BM and WB would follow a villain. I think they had a good reason for joining Xebec

And I also don't think Kaido values strength above everything. I think Kaido is a broken person but I think he used to be more optimistic. Kaido is a lot more brutal than BM and WB but I think he has a great deal of tragedy that caused that. I basically don't buy the idea that they were a bunch of bond villains

[light onyx]

Xebec was a horrible pirate who probably would’ve killed the multiple slaves on god valley

[modest skiff]

Killing a bunch of slaves to dismantle the CDs sounds like a great idea to me. CDs work slaves to death so that they can use escalators. They kidnap and rape people for hundreds of years. We don't know what Xebec was doing where he decided letting slaves die was worthwhile

[light onyx]

Fair I’d rather die than belong to the CDs

[modest skiff]

What if a bunch of the CD leadership, and perhaps their weapons, were on God Valley? What if the slaves that were there were just the people serving those specific CDs or doing specific slave things on the island? I think its totally conceivable that Xebec had the option of dealing a crippling blow to the CDs at the cost of a bunch of slaves, decided it was worth it to end hundreds of years of slavery and rape, and was willing to pull the trigger

I basically think we can't trust a word either Garp or Sengoku says. WB was a really good guy. The story of Garp/Sengoku just doesn't add up for me. Garp was going to let Ace die. Side note: I think Garp had a daughter or wife who was killed by pirates and it is why he turned into such a coward

[light onyx]

Do you think xebec might have done something to the island which might have destroyed it which could be why the island disappeared

Like he might have had one of the ancient weapons and fired it at the island

[modest skiff]

Yeah there's a few things that just don't add up for me, I have no idea. I feel like the yami was somehow involved but i don't have a clue how

[light onyx]

Same I think the yami was involved perhaps xebec was an awakened yami fruit user ?

[modest skiff]

My hope is that Xebec was able to lock himself in the yami dimension, which technically killed him, but he was still in the yami.

This part I don't feel very good about, but it is a shaky theory of mine that I am not particularly attached to: he was able to basically project his will from the yami pocket dimension and chose BB to be the new yami user.

BB tells Ace that the yami chose him and I think he has some sort of good reason for thinking that. I think we should take BB's words at face value. By some mechanism, the yami chose BB. I don't have any idea how. But BB being in some way related to Xebec through either being mentored by one of his crew, or something like that, I basically have no idea. Perhaps it really is destiny and the yami chose BB and BB is joyboy. I have no idea, but I think BB is totally right about being "chosen".

Rather than a villain, I view BB as an antihero

[light onyx]

How so ?

[modest skiff]

Since I am assuming he is executing the will of Xebec, and I think Xebec wanted to kill the CDs, I think BB is just willing to do a ton of terrible shit for the sake of killing the CDs. It all comes down to the idea that I think Xebec wanted to liberate the world

[tired depot]

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/phmj4b/minor_kaido_and_shanks_theory/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

[light onyx]

Good point

[tired depot]

I like this theory

[light onyx]

Interesting

[modest skiff]

Supports my basic theory that Kaido only took over Wano because of hints and clues about what would happen to Wano in 20 years. I think it is possible that Kaido only is in Wano because of stuff from glyphs or prophecies or wherever people know about this whole 20 years thing. I think all the weapons stuff is just him playing the sims while he waits for Joyboy to beat his ass

[drowsy marsh]

Nice theory, but there must have been a quick conqueror clash. Maybe Shanks told Kaido that there will be even a bigger war and that is why he is stockpiling Smiles and Weapons.

[dusky acorn]

I think it was implied that Kaido was stocking up on SMILES for a great war even before he met with Shanks two years ago, however. Or at least, they were already in production as the new hot thing, which Doflamingo says to Disco in Sabaody

The weapons definitely predate the Shanks conflict as well, Orochi has been giving those since forever. I guess you may argue Kaido became ever more ambitious about stockpiling over the last two years, maybe

[light onyx]

In the Great War who would be fighting ?

Luffy vs bb or luffy vs wg ? Does it even include luffy ?

[nocturne stream]

man there is sm shit that needs to be explained before the final arc

[surreal oriole]

Going off WBs last words, someone is going to cause a war that engulfs the world, I think its fair to say that person will be Luffy. I wonder if Kaido knew about that story and thats the war he is waiting for.

[wet rampart]

everything

[waxen dust]

This makes sense like the idea he put together that Kaido and King are the only ones who left Wano since they both fly. As for what Shanks told Kaido, I think he told him the prophecy of Joyboy's arrival in Wano soon. I like theories like these because it's clean cut simple and doesnt present a bias towards any characters.

[polar urchin]

Poneglyphs are regular stones, the same stones Luffy/Kid were competing to load on ships in Udon prison
They were carved by the kozuki then coated in CoC by some powerful individual, joyboy possibly
The coating on pongelyph is the exact same coating on Black blades such as Shisui and Yoru

If anyone disagrees with me I challenge u to an IRL fistfight to settle our differences.

[surreal oriole]

Maybe he knew of the "great war" prior to MF and thought that the war at MF was the start of the "Great War". Shanks intervened, giving more details about the great war. Explaining how MF was not the start and he needed to keep waiting. Not that it was coming to him, althought maybe Wano is what kicks off the "great war"

[wet rampart]

one of the poneglyphs is an apology to joyboy so no

[polar urchin]

sir, the apology is from joyboy to the mermaid fish

[surreal oriole]

Yes its from Joyboy. I like your theory

[wet rampart]

oh

[polar urchin]

now the only thing I struggle to explain is why the coating on the road poneglyphs red? any ideas?

[wet rampart]

also how did poneglyphs get to all the different islands in the world? for example in skypiea it doesnt seem like joyboy wrote it but instead the inhabitants of what became skypiea

[wet rampart]

maybe to differentiate between them?

how do people even know the purpose of poneglyphs and road poneglyphs?

[polar urchin]

no idea, it could have been scattered in different ways, a wild theory would be Kuma's fruit but thatys far fetched

[wet rampart]

no, skypiea’s poneglyph mentions a golden bell so i dont think kuma’s fruit just threw it to skypiea

[surreal oriole]

I think there is a theory that Joyboy started the first pirate crew and spread em out everywhere to keep a record the WG couldnt erase

[pure raven]

A manga/anime theory. Aokiji did not actually join BlackBeard. We know that Akainu’s motto is “ a good pirate is a dead pirate ”. This means that he doesn’t tolerate any criminal activity whatsoever and is ruthless. When the Gorosei were talking to Akainu after Dressrosa, he said that “whatever that idiot does after leaving is none of my business” this suggests that Akainu isn’t intent on going after Aokiji at all. Aokiji also isn’t the type to fly under a scumbags Jolly Roger. This leads me to believe that Akainu never actually beat Aokiji in Punk Hazard but made a deal. Akainu gets position of Fleet Admiral while Aokiji goes undercover as the real leader of SWORD (navy special ops with Koby and X Drake). He did this to find the secret of Blackbeard having 2 fruits and his plot to become pirate king. However SWORD is secret as the World Government and CP-0 do not know about it. This explains why they have to talk in code and why Koby was very nervous on the ship when he was talking to X Drake. What do you guys think. I made this theory myself

[wet rampart]

wait the world government doesnt know about SWORD?

i dont think thats true, it doesnt make sense

[pure raven]

We do not know if they do. That’s why Koby has to speak to X drake I’m code before they speak.

It makes sense for Akainu to undermine the World Governments authority. He doesn’t like the Gorosei and shits on Celestial dragons

[polar urchin]

koby had to hide from his comrades in order to speak to drake

[wet rampart]

yes because the people who can hear them dont know about sword, the gorosei arent wiretapping, some low ranking marines are

[pure raven]

What is there for marines to hide from marines

[wet rampart]

would the president just give nuclear launch codes to a low ranking officer

[polar urchin]

have you watched Z movie?

[pure raven]

Yeah but Z isn’t canon

[wet rampart]

it is

[polar urchin]

It is

[wet rampart]

Z, gold, and another one are all canon

[polar urchin]

well the events in it arent cannon, but the characters and their stories are canon

[pure raven]

Zephyr himself is Canon but the movies aren’t I just searched

[wet rampart]

i think Z is the pirate festival, and gold the one with the revolutionary army

[polar urchin]

u flipped them

[pure raven]

Stampede is pirate festival

[wet rampart]

oh

then Z gold and stampede are all canon

[weary cliff]

None of the movies are canon even if they have canon antagonists

[wet rampart]

im pretty sure those three were partially written by oda

[polar urchin]

this is a better way of putting it, yes

the events themselves are not canon

[pure raven]

Aokiji and Koby have the same teacher so it makes sense for them to work together. SWORD Is classed as the Secret Ops. We haven’t heard the Gorosei or CP-0 discuss about it in the Reverie. In my opinion it makes sense

I’m not saying it’s right but it could happen

[polar urchin]

yes I like your theory

[weary cliff]

The only detail I know for sure about Oda's involvement in those is that he was consulted for Strongworld to make sure characters like Kuzan wouldn't appear in away that contradicted his vision

[wet rampart]

former Marine Admiral "Z", stands in the path of the Straw Hat Pirates.
this movie seems stupid how could the straw hats beat a former admiral

[polar urchin]

same way luffy beat shiki and bullet. its just a movie

[pure raven]

Do you guys really think someone that spared Robin in Ohara and is morally good like Garp would join BlackBeard?

[wet rampart]

i didnt watch any of the movies so i dont know in what way he did it

[polar urchin]

I dont think majority think this
most ppl agree that aokiji must have ulterior motives of working with BB

[wet rampart]

no

[pure raven]

True.

[polar urchin]

it was riidiculous in every movie
manga luffy himself isnt strong enough yet to fight shiki/bullet

but it was still fun to watch

[pure raven]

Also Theory no 2. Ushimaru the daimyo of ringo is actually admiral green bill. Zoros relative or father seems like someone strong enough to do that but also look at the pattern on his kimono in the anime. It has Green Bulls on it

[polar urchin]

i saw this on redit, Not sure I like this theory

[pure raven]

Not the best theory just something I realised. Yeah I seen in Reddit too

[polar urchin]

grasping at straws imo

[wet rampart]

this makes almost no sense with what we know

because orochi said he killed all daimyos who didnt obey to him (which is all of them)

[stoic girder]

It's crazy how people think ushimaru is greenbull when ushimaru is already dead.

[drowsy marsh]

To be fair, Ushimaru means green bull

[stoic girder]

Dead serious?

[drowsy marsh]

No I am sorry lol

[amber oar]

lol, no. Maru means circle but it's a common suffix for male names. Ushi means bull

[stoic girder]

Good

[amber oar]

still the anime hard trolled the fandom by coloring Ushimaru's bull pattern in his coat... green

now, it's the anime, and thus it's proof of nothing. Could as well be another goth Marco case

[stoic girder]

goth Marco?

[mossy dock]

Lol would be funny if it turned out to be true

[drowsy marsh]

The anime has some fun stuff like Sukiyaki and Hitetsu having the same voice actor

[solemn trail]

Thoughts on Onimaru joining the Strawhats as Zoro's companion

[amber oar]

Nah, doubt. He didn't find anything familiar upon meeting Zoro, and later when Kawa arrived, he just left quietly. Hasn't left the zone in decades, canines are highly territorial

It's like expecting Shushu to join the SHs

[solemn trail]

Chopper could get an actual bounty and then Onimaru takes over as a 100 berry pet bounty lol

but Shushu didn't have any actual connection

[amber oar]

Plus with Yamato almost surely joining we have enough dogs around

[solemn trail]

I also don't think it'd happen, but it'd be interesting

mainly fun

I could also see Yamato not joining, but starting her own crew and pledging as one of the Strawhat "sons"

[modest skiff]

This feels pretty damn cheeky if its intended as a red herring. It is a green bull. Its hard to not even squint my eyes at it

[drowsy marsh]

Yamato either joins the SH or she might not get a good end on wano

[runic osprey]

I think she will stay in wano and protect its freedom

[drowsy marsh]

Nah she stayed in Wano way too long. She want to break free

[runic osprey]

I think she meant she wants to break of free of her fathers ruling

She said he took the people and her freedom away

[drowsy marsh]

Both. She read Oden diary and all this magical adventures. It would be weird if she didn't want to go to sea

[plucky tulip]

who do u guys think are the three samurais in ch. 1024

i feel like one of them must be a mink

[drowsy marsh]

Another reason why I do not she will join as she might already know about various locations and important events

[runic osprey]

She wants to be accepted by the people but her being kaido’s was difficult for it to happen after kaido goes down people of wano will acknowledge her and she will stay and protect them

[dusky acorn]

Well, one of them is clearly meant to be Ushimaru. He even has a bandage on his left eye to resemble the one Ryuma had, and we know he's supposed to be a direct descendant. I think that design choice to his wound was meant to be a slight nod

[drowsy marsh]

You mean that dude that looks like raizo? Seems human to me

[dusky acorn]

As for the other two, all we know is that they too were strong swordsman Kaido wanted. Perhaps some of Ushimaru's most trusted followers?

[drowsy marsh]

No I think they are also Daimyo's

[dusky acorn]

We saw the other respective daimyo's during a meeting not too long before that flashback took place, no?

I don't think the people there resemble those two samurai

[runic osprey]

Agreed

[grizzled fog]

I think we only saw their silhouettes iirc

[dusky acorn]

Ah, nevermind. Ushimaru is the only other one clearly shown interestingly enough, besides Yasuie and "Sukiyaki". https://official-ongoing-2.gamindustri.us/manga/One-Piece/0965-011.png>

Other daimyos is an open possibility!

[modest skiff]

Theory: Kuma's consciousness lives on and Vegapunk is a member of the Revolutionary Army

Simply put, I reject the idea that someone as powerful as Kuma would let themselves be entirely killed. I don't think he has incentive to let himself be fully extinguished, regardless of the experiments with Vegapunk and any agreement they have.

If Kuma is able to "bounce" pain from one individual to another (Luffy to Zoro), I think the sky is kind of the limit with his power. The dude accurately shot the straw hats to incredibly far reaches of the planet, including sky areas, seemingly effortlessly. I think his fruit is incredibly developed, not sure it needs to be awakened or whatever, but the dude is good at what he does.

I think he is able to "bounce" his consciousness to either an artificial life form or something else altogether. Perhaps he can even coexist with Vegapunk or something. But feels more likely that Kuma bounced his consciousness to another android or something of that nature.

Here is where my theory goes off the deep end and perhaps is a little wild: I think Vegapunk is a part of the revolutionary army. I think he is playing an ultra late game play to develop a new generation of artificial life forms using the WG resources. I think the WG has access to materials/methods that the revs simply don't. And I think rather than being hunted by the WG forever, it is advantageous to just work with them.

Sidenote: Dr Tsukimi is also from Karakuri island. I think Vegapunk is continuing his legacy and perhaps trying to replicate his work to make a race of artificial life forms.

Here's why I think the revos decided to make their play when they did: Vegapunk finally nailed his new generation of androids and convinced the WG to abolish the warlord system. Once the WG turns their backs on the warlords, it is assumed the new robots will serve the same purpose. I think Vegapunk will betray the WG, ally with the revos, give them the new robots and the WG will be completely and totally fucked. I think THAT is why they decided to make their declaration of war when they did. I think their plan is finally ready to go. And Kuma is transferred to this new generation of robot and retains his devil fruit power because they are soul-bound.

@waxen dust and I talked about this previously briefly, so tagging him for his feedback too

[drowsy marsh]

Thought the same at first, but after rereading. She multiple times said she want to go to sea. So I doubt she will stay in wano.

[weak arrow]

Hey I completely agree with this theory. I think Kuma’s concsciousness is just stored as a bubble and will be put back later.

Order 66 will happen soon

[drowsy marsh]

I wonder are DF soul bound? Does that mean that BB multiple souls, does that mean that inanimate objects have souls?

[heady parrot]

the merry has been shown to have its own soul of some sorts so it’s not outside of the realm of possibility

[modest skiff]

I think BB uses the Yami to confine devil fruits to parts of his void dimension so as to avoid "exploding". I don't think anything physically unique to him allows him to use more fruits. I think its just a yami thing. That's why he can use Yami + other fruits

The yami specifically is able to deactivate other people's fruits so I think he can use it to disable his own as well

[drowsy marsh]

I can see this

[heady parrot]

that doesn’t explain why marco would remark about his special body.

[modest skiff]

Marco was spitballing theories and was just wrong. He showed zero confidence in his theory

[heady parrot]

lmfao

[drowsy marsh]

I doubt a doctor would be spitballing about bodies

[modest skiff]

BB can have a unique body while being totally unrelated to multiple fruits

[heady parrot]

but it was in direct response to him eating two fruits

[modest skiff]

Marco might know that he is from some race that is unique in some way and wonder if that's how he does it, and be totally wrong

[dusky acorn]

I wholeheartedly agree with the idea that Vegapunk is betraying the government, The idea that Kuma may have conceived Vegapunk to be a Revolutionary ally without even Dragon currently knowing is pretty appealing to me.

The only reason he's working with the WG in the first place is because they basically forced him out of fear of his knowledge. If he really wanted to work with them, he would have done so from the very beginning out of his own will

[modest skiff]

Yup, agreed. I think Vegapunk and Shanks are both stringing the WG along by making them think they are tentative allies, while in reality, they are biding time for each of their individual plans to come to fruition

[drowsy marsh]

I think this is more likely. Blackbeard has been shown to be different. He doesn't sleep and his body is noted to be different.

[solemn trail]

I don't think vegapunk is with the revolutionaries, I think his one devotion is to science. As long as he can progress, he'll keep inventing

Everyone's thought is that he's going to be some insanely old man, but he'll probably be the same age as queen and Judge

I wouldn't be surprised if he was even younger to throw more people off

[drowsy marsh]

I can see Vegapunk being a revolutionary, but I can't see Kuma bouncing his Consciousness.

[modest skiff]

I think the fact that he's from the same island as Dr Tsukimi is a hint that he has a deeper calling than his own selfish scientific curiosity

[light onyx]

Vegapunk is a secret revolutionary spy

That would be a cool plot twist

[modest skiff]

I think we basically disagree on how good Kuma is with his fruit. Sending SHs flying and transferring PAIN (?!?) between people feels totally insane to me to the point where i won't be surprised if he can bounce souls/consciousness

[weary cliff]

Mohdoo is right, though. There's no way to guage the extent of Kuma's fruit. As crack theory as it sounds, it's at least plausible

[solemn trail]

Do you think Kuma's fruit is awakened? I feel like it has to be for everything he can do with it

[modest skiff]

Kuma is of age similar or greater than other awakened fruit users. He's very powerful. Does totally wild stuff with it. I don't see awakening as far fetched.

[weary cliff]

In the past I've wondered if Kuma had repelled some part of his programming so he could reawaken later. I sort of like the transferred consciousness better

[modest skiff]

When Doffy can change matter into string and Kuma can transfer pain, I felt like it was fair to assume the sky is the limit if Kuma's fruit is awakened. That's my basic logic anyway. And it just doesn't make sense for Kuma to allow himself to die. And it doesn't make sense for Vegapunk to not mind killing him. Kuma dying just doesn't make sense in a lot of ways

[weary cliff]

You know what else, there's precedent in fruits getting this specific kind of weird with Law's power

[solemn trail]

Did we ever find out who this Samurai was?

[modest skiff]

Someone in #also-manga said the same thing when I mentioned it. Having a hard time finding who said it, but they said Law does something similar

[exotic echo]

The main theory is that it's Shiki

but the problem there is the top of his head

[modest skiff]

May I ask why you are assuming they are a samurai? And yeah, I assumed it is Shiki. Fats, what's the issue with the top of his head?

[solemn trail]

The hat

[exotic echo]

It feels like there isn't enough space for that big ass wheel stuck in his head under the hat. My personal headcanon, if it is someone we know, is that it's Yorkie

[craggy pumice]

Shaking has a wheel in his head

[modest skiff]

I must be forgetting what Shiki looks like. googles now

OH LOL the thing on his head, yeah I mean he could totally get that removed

[solemn trail]

No he can't

That's the whole story behind it, they tried but if they removed it, it'd kill him

[exotic echo]

Yorkie is another guy who he'd have a personal connection with, but he's presumed dead

[modest skiff]

I understand there are clearly barriers to having it removed, I remember the history behind that, but for example I think Law would be able to remove it using room. Perhaps other powers would have similar capabilities or some other janky way

[solemn trail]

I think it might be too tied in with his character to be removed

[modest skiff]

Shiki was powerful and influential enough to where I think if he spent a year trying to figure out how to get it removed, he could

[weak arrow]

Just find Law and pay him

[modest skiff]

Yeah I'd say Law is an ezmode way of getting it done. For all we know he's the one who did it and never really felt like it was worth mentioning. Maybe didn't even know it was Shiki or doesn't know who Shiki is

[pure raven]

i mean he doesnt even need to get the steering wheel removed

its made of wood you can just shave it off

it would still have parts stuck in his head but it wouldnt be as noticeable

[waxen dust]

Yeah bravo dude, good to see you finally bringing this theory out to public, it’s about time lol.

As for feedback I can have is maybe find any works of literature or historically that fits in a similar scenario. That would definitely make this theory even more harder to debunk. Also see if you can find a way to tie Sorbet Kingdom & Bonney into all of this because that’s definitely an important factor to Kuma’s character and the idea of “Bonney vs. Vegapunk” figuratively.

Another thing is I am curious to know what you think Vegapunk will do that allows the SSGs to turn their back on the World Government. So maybe after the Bonney/Sorbet stuff try going deeper into the SSGs and how Kuma can essentially “soul bound” himself to multiple androids all at once.

Overall like I previously stated to you, I’m 100% behind this theory and I definitely believe all of this stuff will be uncovered Post-Wano and more possibly in a Emerald City arc.

Good Work!

[modest skiff]

Thank you! 🙂

[acoustic helm]

What if pluton is under enies lobby, and sucking all the water...

[queen arrow]

i thought about a scenario like this but i think it's more likely that what they did to Kuma is a reversible process than he having used his fruit to store his conciousness away

[real swan]

What I find interesting about this too is how punk hazard has shown that haki is also tied to consciousness rather than body, so he could be in a new body and retain any willpower-based abilities.

Unless that was mentioned already then ignore this

[bitter kraken]

What do you mean haki is tied to consciousness rather than body?

[solemn trail]

I think he meant that haki is tied to ones willpower

or "essence"

[real swan]

Yea, we see this when sanji is in nami's body but can use CoO

[solemn trail]

And how Usopp is able to pretend that Big Moms haki is his own, without getting knocked out himself

[prime bluff]

What is sanji firey leg theory

[modest skiff]

I think he has Lunarian lineage factor. I think Lunarian fire power is managed by their emotions, which is why King is mostly stone cold until he got mad at the traitors. Judge’s emotion modifications didn’t work on Sanji because Lunarian lineage factor overrides emotion stuff. Basically the Lunarian part of Sanji made Judge’s experiment appeared unsuccessful but it actually just took maturity and emotional intensity to fully express.

Sanji’s fire intensity has grown over time. It appears to have been developing slowly over the course of the story. I think the physical sensations he has been feeling are related to that

[mint condor]

hmmm

while his emotions might come into play somewhat, motion definitely has some hand in it as well, otherwise I dont see why he'd need to spin every time he wants to use the move

[real swan]

I thought he hasn't spun to do it since the timeskip

[mint condor]

hmm maybe not, but why did he need to do it at all?

[real swan]

The whole thing seems kinda odd. He at first spins to do it implying it's friction, but then Oda says it doesn't burn him cause it's fueled by his passion, then when he doesn't spin for it anymore he mentions again it's his passion that fuels it. Something's up

Don't forget either that he can literally set himself and other people on fire through hell memories as well.

Kinda throwing the whole motion argument out the window

[mint condor]

yeahhhh it might be some combination of the two

and the better he learns to control it with his mind, the less he has to use motion, maybe?

kind of like how luffy originally had to use both legs for gear two, but now he can kinda just activate it immediately

[little kelp]

maybe he's the guy who healed the scabbards?

[real swan]

Which then also leads to the lunarian lineage factor theory, which I guess is very possible but others have also pointed out that Judge should have commented on this when he saw Sanji use it, unless he just didn't want to admit that Sanji wasn't a complete failure to him.

[bitter kraken]

I might not even be anything, since judge wasn’t even phased by sanjis fire but he was surprised that sanji could use haki. But idk it’s all strange, but I guess we’ll learn solar horn soon enough since he said his body is feeling strange after using the raid suit the second time. My theory on his fire is that it’s part of his Pervyness lol

[reef oar]

https://youtu.be/X22Io2s4qzU dude I fucking hate these

"Is enel really on the moon?" Yes dude wtf ???

If he isn't on the moon then where could he be? Is there somewhere else you think he went??? Idk

[pure raven]

Was it oda who said that shanks will move this year‽ as cant find the interview in #spoilers

[modest skiff]

They make videos for money, not to contribute good ideas

[craggy pumice]

simply take 100 facts from the manga and ask if they are really true
"is Kaido really on Wano?" "is Blackbeard really a yonko?" "do the strawhats really want to find the One Piece?"

[lean wolf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2nUxpnoF4g

octopus POWER

[dusky notch]

I think Zoro already knows his lineage. Not before wano, but after meeting Yasui. It's highly probable that Yasui took him to Ringo to talk about his parents from where his sword was stollen by Onimaru. Zoro also told yasui about the rebellion thus yasui returned to the town to help them.

[lean pine]

I think Blackbeard's mythical zoan will be introduced when he eats it later I think it has to be a powerful one and one another character already had@lean wolf

Like the earthquake fruit he took it from whitebeard and it was a major part of his goal was getting it that he caused a war

[little kelp]

I think that guy is on the server lol

[sacred hawk]

I always thought that it would be difficult for Usopp to get his own fight at this point. Because as long as Nami was with him, there's no reason for them to not just spam Zeus to fodderize whoever shows up. So if Usopp ever gets a fight, he'd need to be separated from Nami first.

Hopefully, that's what this page is leading to.

[reef oar]

I still think the rest of the big mom pirates are waiting on the mainland and ussop will get a matchup with one of them.

[sacred hawk]

(Also because Page One is on that floor)

[reef oar]

Brook still hasn't gotten a one on one fight either. Neither has Nami. Chopper doesnt really need one but he might.

[modest skiff]

Yeah this is true. Nami having command over Zeus put her up like 5 tiers lol. Zeus is an absolutely insane power up

[lean pine]

Why do you think usopp was doing it, was he just trying to get beast pirate attention away from nami and tama

[sacred hawk]

Unlike Brook, Usopp and Nami had opponents that spent most of the raid chasing them down. And Nami at least got to finish off hers.

[cursive tree]

Now that we are talking about lunarians I think the return of Ener is even more plausible

[dapper trench]

its rather unrealistic to think Usopp will get a direct matchup with one of the Big Mom Pirates (I mean first off, we don't even know if they've gotten up there, and secondly, there's a whole ship of those crazy bastards up there, Usopp taking one of them on, or anyone SH taking them on seems rather unfeasible, given they're probably worn out from the events of the raid)

[uncut heart]

Ussop defeating two flying six incoming, after recovering? His líes seem to come true eventually

[wintry pelican]

What’ shank be doin though

[supple anchor]

we've been asking that question for 20 years

[reef oar]

Shanks v Luffy on Elbath then Blackbeard sneaks in and sniper kills Shanks and steals all 4 road Poneglyphs

“Zehahahahaha!!! Sorry about red haired!!! Thanks for doing all the leg work getting the road poneglyphs straw hat!!!”