manga-theories

[wise pagoda]

shanks might help luffy to hone his CoC like implement it in his attacks since shanks is shone to have mastered it himself

[humble robin]

when will spoilers actually be available?

[shadow steeple]

idk

[stuck ore]

Can hope

[surreal oriole]

What do you guys think is going to happen when Luffy gets the news about sabo? Are we going right into the revolutionaries arc after this one or something else? I expect when Luffy hears the news about Sabo he will take immediate action.

[stuck ore]

First lets see the news ourself

[weak arrow]

Dw we’ll see Sabo already rescued from impel down by the revos

[stuck ore]

Wether the dead person is 100% sabo

[surreal oriole]

That's true. It could be rather misleading

[stuck ore]

Yeah

[hidden tinsel]

Got a feeling these spoilers are about to be crazy thats why they havent been released

[fickle zenith]

I'm waiting for spoilers

Everyone*

[stuck tulip]

Same

[fickle estuary]

any theories about this Land of Gods?

[ancient vault]

yes

[fickle estuary]

Share share share pleaaasee

[ancient vault]

Land of God = nation of multiple races that were considered godly

Existed before war vs WG (800 years ago)

Imu sama at the wish (?) of the CDs got rid of that so called Nation of Gods because he and/or the CDs considered themselves the only gods

He defeated them and kicked them off/transported them to the blue sea where they were imprisoned and enslaved for centuries

The island is now known to us as God Valley

CD's went there regularly to torture those maybe a contest or compitation of some sort? (probably some sort of ritual/festivals)

Xebec wanted the power of those "Godly races" as well as he wanted to kill the CDs on that island and also Imu if they was there. Or just bait/lure them out

Not only Lunarians but Dragons and other races who can be considered godly

[hidden tinsel]

Oooh naisu

[fickle estuary]

arigatooooo for sharing!

[pure raven]

I have theory

Eneru might pull up to wano

I mean he is one of the most broken characters in ons piece and we just saw him return to the moon. That’s it? Is one of the most op devil fruit users just going to not show up again?

[fickle zenith]

That will be interesting

[surreal oriole]

I think he is going to show up at some point but I don't think it's going to be wano. Granted there are alot of connections with shandora and wano and the ancient kingdom so I can see how people would think Enel might be involved in some way

[surreal jungle]

when's the spoiler coming out???

[steep steeple]

tomorrow i guess

[burnt hawk]

don't you think that land of god could be somewhat similar to what Big Mom wants to recreate maybe she knows more than what has been told yet

[low vale]

If enel hasn’t improved at all wouldn’t he be stomped lol

But if he’s back he’s definitely getting the crocodile treatment

[proud tree]

Buggy did not impove at all ... luffy beat him no gears .... still doing just fine

[low vale]

Yeah but buggy is....buggy

[primal pivot]

Buggy is godly tho

[proud tree]

Cesar Clown is the Buggy of the new world

[low vale]

buggy literally operates on another meta level

[primal pivot]

Even whitebeard was shocked and scared to fight him

[low vale]

Buggy literally can put up the longest fight in the series against Mihawk no cap

[primal pivot]

Would he be...immortal??? (God)

[proud tree]

if guys like Cesar Clown can survive in the new world Enel could too

[pure raven]

Depends entirely on what they're doing

Caesar was under Kaido's influence

[proud tree]

Cesar also supported the assassination attempt on Yonko Big Mom ... still nobody hunts him

[true lily]

Are y'all talking about pirate king buggy?

But I think caeser went back to vegapunk.

[ancient vault]

I think Nika was the leader of these races and the king of that nation. The Sun God Nika was the ruler of God Land

[burnt hawk]

yes but I meant that the inhabitants of this land of god were members of every races just like what Big Mom wants on Totland

[ancient vault]

Oh yeah. She probably lesnred about it with Rocks

Thats probably how she learned about the different races of the world too

[surreal oriole]

I could see that being the case. I have been thinking lately that all the races are from different moons and the fishman/giants are the only original race from earth. And the land above the red line is referencing the moons. But idk that seems pretty wild

[fathom matrix]

I know Luffy's mom probaly does matter and there are theories like "what if she was a marine slave, celestial dragon".

But if Oda does change his mind and adds her in some way, and has dragon mention her, she could have been just some random woman that dragon married and had a kid with, dragon fucked off to be a revolutionary, and she didn't want to be stuck with a kid by herself and just handed him over to makina or garp and buggered off herself somewhere.

[forest rampart]

I dont think that Oda would do that. Sounds like not his style

[fathom matrix]

Or maybe she died, dragon couldn't look after a kid by himself, gave him to his dad and left

Also being a revolutionary would be a hindrance to being a father and vice versa

[abstract pond]

If dates fitted, would have been kind of funny if Luffy's mom was Nico Olivia

[surreal oriole]

This just hit me and is pretty wild, but what if kings race is the race humans evolved from. The skypians and people with small wings or none are people at different stages of evolution. Would give more weight to them being "gods" or w/e

[fathom matrix]

Fair, but I could Luffy's mom not being the super goofy sweet kind of person.

Yet again, when Oda said Luffy's mom would be a strict woman, not beautiful and with tied up hair, people assumed and still think (which I agree with) it was in reference to Dadan as she was Luffy's mom in the sense she looked after and raised him.

But then and he could be hiding a lot of info on his real mom and is pretending like he hasn't thought much on it.

[forest rampart]

It was Dadan

[abstract pond]

wait, dates does fit...

[glossy oxide]

even so, i feel like that wouldn’t be very pog of oda, like that would be such an asspull with zero basis that i think people would be upset

unless im missing some foreshadowing

[rigid shoal]

nah

[glossy oxide]

nah to which part, or nah i’m tweakin

[rigid shoal]

lmao, nah o dont think there was any forshadowing alluding to olivia

[abstract pond]

Is not a pog and more of like could be and would make sense

[glossy oxide]

ahh i see i see

[abstract pond]

Oh...Ohara happened 22 years ago and Luffy is 19-20 now. Dates don't fit

[grand walrus]

theory: post wano, kidd n luffy team upto takeoutshanks

[modest skiff]

Luffy said he is saving Shanks for last, so that doesn't fit

[surreal oriole]

Next arc has got to be something with the revolutionaries. Reverie set up to much

[hard isle]

My guess, shanks is at elbaf and big mom flees to elbaf

[neat inlet]

I think the "D." stands for "Devil"
I just realized that because of all the "gods" talk in the recent chapters.

[hard isle]

There isn’t enough coverage of kidd and law for this to be big moms final fight

[modest skiff]

Why would BM flee to Elbaf when Elbaf hates her?

[grand walrus]

big mom should redeem herself. she needs to save elbaf

[hard isle]

She’d probably get cornered or something but i doubt she would go back to wci or something

[surreal oriole]

I don't think big mom is going down this arc. Kaido yes but big mom idk, not convinced she's gonna lose

[hard isle]

Rogersbase would hate you for that

[neat inlet]

in ancient times there was "god country", we have the "god valley" as well, corazon said "[D. are the] god's natural enemy", so perhaps the opposite of gods would be the devils? the D. Clan?

[modest skiff]

So you're saying rather than retreat to her kingdom where she would be safe, she will go to Elbaf where she is not safe? This doesn't make sense

[neat inlet]

we have the devil fruits as well, since sanji's fire force us to rethink everything we take as "obvious", why are the devil fruits called "devil" to begin with?

[hard isle]

I’m saying she is tied to elbaf, she isn’t going down here and it seems we will see shanks at elbaf so why wouldn’t big mom go to elbaf after wano. We don’t even know where elbaf is for all we know she finds it accidentally while trying to flee wano. All I’m saying is it makes sense for her to be there

[surreal oriole]

I think that's been suggested before. That the d are devil's that is. I still think the D is a half moon symbol

[neat inlet]

more importantly, we know there's a character (or more) who's a god. who's the devil in the one piece universe?

[terse fable]

Robin?

[modest skiff]

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[grand walrus]

i think D standingn for Devil makes rhe most sense. simply because it is an initial with a period after it

[grand walrus]

sorry

[hard isle]

Mb

[neat inlet]

the whole d. = dawn thing, i think it's a mislead, it seems more connected to the wano arc rather than the arc that'll follow it afterward

we already know the dawn is supposed to bring the savior of wano, but nothing takes the "dawn talks" to anything post wano

[grand walrus]

D = devil seems obvious, which isnt that fun, but D = natural enemy of the gods = devils, its a slam dunk but it just seems to obvious

[neat inlet]

it would be interesting of the mad scientists group tried to investigate on the devils themselves, if it makes sense?

hence the interest in the devil fruits

[fickle thunder]

Nika seems to be in D clan as well

[terse fable]

I think both translate to the same end in the end. Maybe the D was used to accommodate than more than a meaning for more than uh a party. It's Dawn for Wano, devils for the 'gods' maybe?

[neat inlet]

i mean, nika seems related to fire- however, we know lunarians control fire now, so maybe it isn't related to some kind of a devil fruit

[fickle thunder]

I think dawn is an event , D would be something like a word like Devil , or other words but it will something simple knowing oda he won't make it too complicated

[grand walrus]

if D = devil, is the devil fruit a weapon used to fight the WG

[terse fable]

Tho there is a theory that the devil fruits are actually man made (made by what is now dubbed as the devils?)

[grand walrus]

they could be just a threat to the WG so they name them devil fruits in order to limit their impact

[neat inlet]

my other question, which puts another "given info" in question- in case indeed D. = devils, why the devil fruits make their users sink to the bottom of the ocean? what's the relationship here?

[terse fable]

(Read a theory that explained it in a scientific way. It's more about the interaction between the wavelength water molecules with the uh wavelength of the devil fruit or something. Imma link it if I find it)

[neat inlet]

explaining it scientifically feels to me like a long shot tbh

[modest skiff]

I think the D stands for something else originally. When the CDs decided they were kings, they labeled it devil instead. I also think its possible devil fruits were not always called devil fruits because Wano did not know them as devil fruit users, just "magicians". They were simply people with powers and they did not use the terminology of "devil fruit". Since we know Wano was involved with the old kingdoms long time ago, it stands to reason that the name "devil fruit" came later

[neat inlet]

that's actually a good point

they clearly knew there are people with "magic powers", but they didn't know the word "devil" for some reason?

[modest skiff]

We've also never seen a CD use a devil fruit. It is possible they can't use devil fruits

[terse fable]

Donquixote brothers both had one.

[modest skiff]

Welp, so much for that, thanks for the correction. Hmmm

[neat inlet]

i mean, there's the literal demon island onigashima next to them. remember what we were told? onigashima wasn't always named that way

idk if there's a difference between "devil' and "demon" in japanese, is there?

akuma = devil, oni = demon?

[grand tide]

Any spoilers for 1024?

[terse fable]

Maybe the term started to circulate after the borders closed. And devils are diff than demons in japenese myths. Devil is more biblical I think, can mean Satan himself. Demons in japenese myths are a tad different.
Yes akuma is devil. Oni is demon.

[modest skiff]

This channel is for theories only. Go to #spoilers for spoiler discussion or #manga #also-manga

[grand tide]

Okk

[neat inlet]

so it seems wano are aware of demons, but they aren't familiar with devils. interesting

[grand walrus]

I agree with your second point completely regarding wano and original fruit name. It also makes sense that the Dclan would not call themselves Devils. If the D clan is aligned with the fishmen and zou, is there a clue in fishman island or zou for the D initial?

[modest skiff]

Nothing I have perceived. Honestly the only real clue we have is "Will of the D", which is still basically nothing. The whole D thing is probably the most blank thing we have right now. Got basically nothing

[neat inlet]

wano is different than zou and fishmen island because the latter suffered from slavery, i guess they are aware of the devils because of that

[abstract pond]

I'm more of the theory that the D means Dawn or Dawnbringer

[neat inlet]

dawn bringer is in connection to wano tho, so i can't see it being relevant again after the wano saga

[grand walrus]

i think fishman island, shandora, wano and zou all have a clear association with "day, night, dark, light" symbolism, thats the only thing i found associating these poneglyph societies. however in alabasta was there a mention of day night dark light symbolism?

[abstract pond]

what? care to explain?

[modest skiff]

Dawn feels the most likely to me right now. Got nothing else really. We know there is sun imagery, Nika was a sun god, it all seems to indicate some amount of "good" being associated with the sun. The other thing that is interesting is that the moon is also clearly "good" in some way, as evidenced by Enel's adventures on the moon, Minks being powered up by moon, Wano likes the moon. Both the sun and the moon seem to be revered in some way. It could be that there were 2 clans that ruled side by side in the same way the Minks ruled side by side in terms of day/night shift

[neat inlet]

even kaido is waiting for the dawn so wano's hero will prevail

[grand walrus]

i like day night mink dukedom stuff. also we KNOW that zou city is 1000 year old. presumably their way of life hasnt changed since blank century, so it makes sense that they are the least "broken" remnant if the old way (pre WG)

[neat inlet]

but we also know minks were sold as slaves

so there is some level of outside world awareness, unlike wano

[grand walrus]

something about wano being closed off doesnt seem right. like something bad happened in wano.

possible that we find out why wano closed off. will it make the old people of wano look good or look bad?

[dusky acorn]

I think it's the opposite reason that it turned out to be a closed off country

Bad things were going outside of the country, such as the ancient kingdoms likely trying to take them over, so they closed the borders

[neat inlet]

if it was solely because of extinct ancient kingdoms there wouldn't be a reason not to open up again eventually, tho

[modest skiff]

I think Wano was closed due to the events of the void century. Lots of indications that Wano was a safe haven away from the events of the void century. Wano itself appears to be a conglomerate of individual islands. And each of these islands have different weather. I think the skull of Onigashima was the being that helped transport all the individual islands to Wano

[neat inlet]

the skull will definitely lead into a flashback. it wasn't called onigashima until recently

[fickle thunder]

Probably kozuki clan is one of the clans which didn't head to mariejois and closed their doors

[grand walrus]

so u think wano kuni was a last ditch effort to protect those islands from a giant extermination?

[dusky acorn]

Perhaps what they went through during the void century left such a lasting impression on them that they're choosing not to take any risks again

[neat inlet]

sounds familiar.. fishmen island. but in their case, they did try again and were hurt by it. idk why wano never tried again

[modest skiff]

Assuming you don't mean extermination of giants, yes, that's basically what I think. The only counter point to that is that only a single race lives in Wano current day. A lot of things indicate it was a safe haven for lots of different islands, yet we only see humans there. Seems weird

[fickle thunder]

Toki should have slip more info about void century

[neat inlet]

i think "the giants extinction" is a lie, much like how we were misled by many rumors/talks about other islands in the past (zou and wano being enemies, as an example)

[modest skiff]

One thing that is strange is that we know Wano made the glyphs, so once upon a time, Wano knew the language of the AK. But we know this language is kept very secret and only passed down through Kozuki. To me, that indicates there was a deal made that Wano would wipe that history away in exchange for being left alone. Or something like that.

[neat inlet]

some group definitely survived, otherwise how would elbaf still exist

[fickle thunder]

Wano being out of world government jurisdiction is also fishy

[neat inlet]

it feels like we're on the edge of the wano's storyline right before we'll get the answers we need here

i guess by the end of the year we'll know much more, maybe a flashback story even

[fickle thunder]

Yeah probably another poneglyph left by kozuki clan

[dusky acorn]

Perhaps, I do think it's possible the poneglyph language knowledge was actually widespread throughout the country at some point.

If so many people in the country knew to speak it, Wano would have been or even continued to be a more severely targeted place. Like an Ohara situation, or worse

For that reason, perhaps they relegated the language just to the Kozukis, even just for their own good

Since it's just them, the country having access to the language is less well known generally too

[modest skiff]

Yeah that makes sense to me. They really don't need the whole country to know it

[fickle thunder]

Oda once answered a question that it will take akainu a year to find laugh tale . So i think the knowledge of the language is also with the world government

[neat inlet]

but personally here's what i think about the devils/devil fruits:

1. punk hazard - sad manufacturing
2. dressrosa - smile fruits
3. wano - artifical devil fruit + the MAD scientists group (momo)
4. the arc after wano - the devil fruit origins + vegapunk

[fickle thunder]

There is also lineage factor

[terse fable]

(The image shown is that of the DNA model we know in this world)

[neat inlet]

the lineage factor is in itself extremely weird. does it mean each devil fruit can be treated as an "lineage factor"?

since vegapunk ulitized the lineage factor for momo's fruit straight up from kaido himself

[fickle thunder]

Double helix shaped one , that's 2 d structure of dna . That's a generic term commonly shown for dna .

[modest skiff]

Small thing to add: Since Lineage Factor applies to inorganic objects as well, we know it works differently than DNA. DNA in our world does not apply to non-living things

[fickle thunder]

DNA can be applied to non living things as well . Viruses , they have rna which gets converted to viral dna via reverse transcription, unrelated to op but for clarity

[terse fable]

(Yeah. But it could also imply the molecules/atoms inside of a cell. It can mean manipulating them is possible but I would say it's a bit of a stretch).

And that was the DNA b yes.

[neat inlet]

if we treat devil fruits as lineage factors, it means each fruit could represent a "devil". so perhaps D. clan potentially means luffy could awaken another devil power which will later translate into a lineage factor, aka a devil fruit..?

[fickle thunder]

Lineage factor should be related with ancestry or the components of characteristics in dfs.

[modest skiff]

I won’t go on my tangent about viruses being non living in this channel. But you know what I meant 🙂

[terse fable]

It is also the blueprints of life.

[fickle thunder]

Those components are then share into other things , like pacifistas

[fickle thunder]

Ofc.

[terse fable]

Maybe but unlikely. BB is the only one who pulled that stunt.

[neat inlet]

do we have an example of a D. clan member who isn't a devil fruit user, btw?

[terse fable]

Garp

[fickle thunder]

Bb anatomy is also different like marco said

And his df cancels other df powers so i think it applies to host as well .

[neat inlet]

some people theorize BB will have 3 devil fruit powers because of that, so the theory could still stand

[dusky acorn]

Yeah, I don't think there's a correlation between the D. initial and having multiple devil fruits

The strange body of Blackbeard is our real hint, which the initial doesn't have any bearing on really

Besides meaning one is very likely to smile as they die

[neat inlet]

yeah it isn't clear enough, probably to early to tell. personally the one thing i've learnt today is that i'm more certain D. =/= Dawn, and it's more likely to stand for Devil(s). everything else is way more speculative

[fickle thunder]

Too early right

[neat inlet]

another question

has one piece ever used the term "devil" in english? did they always say "akuma"?

[drowsy marsh]

Maybe they made devil fruits out of these gods.

[fickle thunder]

Akuma means demon , monster too

[terse fable]

Or evil in some contexts.

[neat inlet]

but did they literally say "devil" in english, ever?

[terse fable]

I think no

[fickle thunder]

They always use akuma , so we must prefer head canon . Devil fruit should ve seen as literal translation like spoiler scans

[dusky acorn]

I can't recall any instance, and I'm one who watched the sub anime. Even Doffy's heavenly demon epithet goes by the japanese word of yaksha

It's expected for it to be very rare for them to take the English word when they already have japanese words that mean the same thing, basically. If the raw word"devil" is ever stated now or in the future, I think it'd be a pretty memorable instance

[neat inlet]

but we know the word is in english, since it's literally "D."

so the fact they never ever said "devil" is interesting

[fickle thunder]

Yeah that's D English alphabet

People did a mistake regarding laugh tale so i would prefer hepburn pronunciation

[neat inlet]

i remember the coin flop when oda wrote "laugh tale" in english for the first time ever in the manga lmao

"wait.. raftel is--" 👁️ 👄 👁️ "--oh."

[fickle thunder]

I'm not against people watching dubs but still i won't consider dubs as proper head canons , japanese i.e original lang should be given priority here

Because pronunciation of english words when jap people speak is different

[neat inlet]

man, if D. turns out "devils", explaining that in the dub version gonna be confusing af

[zinc iris]

debiru

[fickle thunder]

And it would sound as Debiro fruitto

[neat inlet]

yamero debiru-kun

[fickle thunder]

Mon ki D. ruffi

[neat inlet]

monkey debiru luffy

[dusky acorn]

Let's not get too shitposty now

[terse fable]

Or Denka as in highness. Could be the name of one noble or royal family in the AK. Or 'the gods' or smth that resided u know where.

[neat inlet]

you think the D. will stand for a Japanese word?

[terse fable]

Maybe. Maybe not.

[dusky acorn]

There's no chance, really

"D" is not a letter in any japanese alphabet

[fickle thunder]

It can checked it in kanji its D.

[dusky acorn]

It pretty much has to be a word from English, or other latin derived language, I suppose

[terse fable]

(I mean Nami is a japenese word, yet the posters are in Eng)

[neat inlet]

idk, having "devil" as some kind of royal heritage is more rad than "denka" imo

[terse fable]

That's why I said D doesn't stand for one word at the start. It could have gone from highness to be called devil by their enemies.

[neat inlet]

i would agree.... if someone ever called them "devil" in english. nobody ever did (only in japanese)

[steel needle]

Ryokugyo (green bull) has the fungus logia fruit

[pure raven]

Dead chat?

[sand sail]

This channel is for theory discussion, it doesn't really go dead. You're not supposed to have too much general chat, we have other channels for it

[pure raven]

Like he would infect on their groin region and make them itch during the battle?

[snow scarab]

Is Blackbeard the only “D” who has shown unwillingness to accept death?

[grand walrus]

do u think teach is a coward?

[snow scarab]

Sometimes. He was w whitebeard

[full bone]

What do you think of nami lineage?

[solid badger]

Irish

[full bone]

Poseidon the sea goddess telling that she know her from a long time and feels comfortable around her. Maybe nami is also a goddess?? What is nami lineage?

[proven lion]

Shes an orphan of war

From the oykot kingdom in east blue.. highly unlikely that she is royal blood.

[proven lion]

Shes not saying she knows her either lol shes saying she seems familiar.

[full bone]

Read it clearly in the first photo, she is clearly saying she feels like she know her since she was a kid

[proven lion]

Although we just met..

[full bone]

Shirahoshi is the reincarnation of Poseidon

[proven lion]

I'm aware

[full bone]

Maybe they were close in their previous life

[proven lion]

That's more likely

Though I doubt she is a goddess..

[abstract pond]

All the women that look like Nami are in reality from royalty

[full bone]

Let's see I just thought that because of that single dialogue because oda doesn't add idel comments like that. And nami was called goddess by some characters in one piece

[proven lion]

Lol boa was a slave..

[abstract pond]

Shirahoshi was almost one too

If it wasn't for Donquixote

[glossy canopy]

Why are the spoilers late?

[abstract pond]

Also, Boa is one of the few that look different than Nami

[proven lion]

Robin

[full bone]

Robin looks lot like boa

[proven lion]

Makino

[autumn vapor]

He did say few from Nami

[proven lion]

He said all the women lol... that's an untrue statement

[abstract pond]

I said "All the women that look like Nami are in reality from royalty"

[amber oar]

isn't the norm for them to be on tuesday night?

[abstract pond]

You replied the wrong message, right?xd

[amber oar]

yeah I meant this

[proven lion]

Lol idk... that seems too generalized theres only been 2 girls that really kinda look like nami besides nami.. vivi and nojiko

[abstract pond]

Rebecca

Shirahoshi

[proven lion]

Not really lol they're definetly different

[abstract pond]

You mean pink nami? https://tierragamer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/One-Piece-Rebecca.jpg

or the big pink nami? https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b3/b4/7b/b3b47bb0c4ffba7d0c2bcaf2fc4ae16b.jpg

[proven lion]

Your arguing off the eyes that's really it

[abstract pond]

They have the same face

[full bone]

I think nami was originally in top 3 of the crew however oda decided to give that role to sanji

[weary cliff]

Nami was top 3 in the crew back when there were 3 people in the crew

[full bone]

Whatever if nami gets haki power up, nami is a character to fear with

[weary cliff]

No need for haki, zeus puts her in an appropriate enough spot

[bronze mortar]

Hey guys !! No spoilers today or what?

[urban solstice]

im waiting for spoilersssssss

can't wait

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[lone hedge]

if #spoilers has ❗ ❗ ❗ , they're here. Go grab the Spoiler Updates role from #old-role-info and wait for your ping if they are not out yet.

[fast hollow]

Like doofy i think kaido's past is also dramtic

And in the end we feel sympathy for kaido

Oda is op(over powered)

[modest skiff]

I wonder if there is a way to prevent messages that contain the word "spoiler" from being posted in this channel lol

[tired sparrow]

Do you heard about the 'Project One Piece's theory's

The destruction of the Red Line unifying the four oceans is the 'Project One Piece'.

Or about Joy Boy is Luffy traveling to the past and the One Piece is their story in poneglyphs until he traveled to the past.
So he will return to the future to do what he can't in the past. Leaving their story written in the past. Luffy will return to the future to destroy the red line.
Noah promise is written by Luffy in past.

One red line is destroyed, Brook can meet Laboon again, the center of this explosion will be the All Blue for Sanji. Robin will know who created the red line and destroyed the civilization of D family (who lived on a island that now is under or inside the red line, maybe). Etc.

[sand sail]

Unfortunately no, lol

[modest skiff]

Then I will continue to fight the good fight

[tired sparrow]

I watched a YouTube video about this theory years ago and now I can not find it

[primal pivot]

Pls no luffy time teavelling

[tired sparrow]

The theory talks about a devil-fruit Limited time travel

So he has X time to be in the past, after that who send Luffy dies and he returns to future

It was very well explained theory. I'm trying to find it

[solid badger]

Mans been watching too much XMen days of future past

[tired sparrow]

Do you saw 'Dark' series?

Everything connected, past and future

It's a loop

This theory remembers me that

[modest skiff]

General rule here is no #other-series references when discussing OP theories

[tired sparrow]

Ops sorry, I forget it when I read XMen

[clever lintel]

I'm really interested in seeing where the future of moving land will go. Onigashima is the most recent but we've had it throughout the series even to Crocus inside Laboon.

Like what if God Valley wasn't destroyed but moved with a devil fruit to somewhere else.

[proven lion]

My mans backseat modding

[tired sparrow]

Why not? Luffy being in the past could explain why the history is hidden, to avoid someone changing the future

[clever lintel]

Like I think the endgame of the series will have the Redline being a kaiju through some means.

I think Pica was a set up for the bar to be upped by the end.

[tired sparrow]

Maybe the I'm Sama hat is the same as Luffy

[clever lintel]

I wonder if Im had anything involving God Valley.

[tired sparrow]

Luffy will lose their hat in the past, and the hat could grow using awakened gomu gomu devil fruit.

[clever lintel]

An idea I've thought about is Im traveling the planet in secret.

Like if they had a devil fruit that makes traveling insanely easy.

[modest skiff]

Some people theorize either Shanks or someone in his crew has the ability to mass transport very quickly

[proven lion]

If I were kuma I would just launch myself to laugh tale

[tired sparrow]

There is a devil fruit that allows travel to the future. Maybe other character had the same devil fruit with more control

Allowing travel to past

We had this fruit already in the history, as Oda Sama does. Could be an easter egg about the end

[limpid sequoia]

the door door fruit is the closest thing we've gotten to a teleporting fruit right?

[dusky acorn]

I'd have been more inclined to believe in a past travelling devil fruit if Toki's devil fruit was named the "future-future" fruit or something

But it was given the name "toki-"toki-", as if to tell us that's as good of a fruit as we're ever going to get, for a fruit that does encompass time

[limpid sequoia]

good

we don't ever need nor want a fruit that goes backwards in time

[modest skiff]

Toki roughly means "time" in Japanese, right?

[tired sparrow]

Right

So this is the first devil fruit that we can have 2 users of the same devil fruit at same time

[modest skiff]

A couple of my thoughts regarding Toki:

1. Toki being named "time" supports my basic theory that once upon a time, devil fruits were passed on or kept within certain groups a lot more intentionally and that people had purposes which were derived from their fruits

2. I think it is possible that Toki's fruit originally was only able to make her travel forward in time and that "awakening" her fruit is what allowed her to send multiple other people into the future. I really don't think there is any ability to go back in time

[tired sparrow]

Literally the same... Have I'm Sama that fruit? It's a possibility...

[modest skiff]

Further evidence of fruits being kept within certain groups in the past is that many of the tontatta had bug-related fruits. Awfully coincidental

[tired sparrow]

Tell me one thing

Why there is some people that seems their know about the future?

[modest skiff]

Either because certain glyphs describe the future or some other unknown reason. We don't know

[tired sparrow]

Why Roger knows about Joyboy in 20 years?

[clever lintel]

I'm more of a desire to have Im have the power to do a Moses style parting of the sea. I feel like someone with the power to part the sea is something assured to happen, but I don't know who would have it other than Im.

[tired sparrow]

Imagine Luffy telling their story to past characters

Luffy, as always trying to save people. But he gets out of time. And Luffy gives a promise to 800 years to the future. Past people writes about that in Poneglyphs

I'm Sama going to the future to stop Luffy is a possibility

Maybe he is waiting the right moment, maybe Luffy gets something he wants and I'm Sama is waiting to stole it

Maybe Roger and their crew read the Luffy history. If Roger's doctor and Rayleigh were waiting Luffy because they know Luffy needs their help

Noah is waiting future Luffy retuning from the past.

[modest skiff]

I think its very unlikely 2 different fruits allow for time travel

[jade wave]

now thats a good theory but feels heard before one piece

[tired sparrow]

And Kaido read about 'Joy boy aka Luffy' so he knows joy boy will defeat him.

Kaido tried to suicide to check if this history is avoidable

[jade wave]

somewhere i know was in a movie plot idk

[tired sparrow]

After reading the Oden diary

[jade wave]

still great theory @tired sparrow

[tired sparrow]

2 different fruit NO. The same fruit in different moments of the fruit time-lapse. But in the same moment after time travel

[amber oar]

not really. He knows there will be a Joyboy but hasn't figured out who. That's why he tells Luffy "Seems you couldn't become Joyboy either". Even suggesting he has seen "failed candidates" before

[modest skiff]

I don't think that really makes sense. Overall I have a hard time with your theory

[amber oar]

it's already stated the time time only goes forwards

[tired sparrow]

Maybe someone told Luffy, no one can know your name because you can change the future. So people will know Luffy as Joy Boy

Luffy don't want to change the fact he has friends/nakamas

So, people knows about a Joy Boy with Strawhat

[amber oar]

We don't know if Joyboy wore a strawhat, earlier. All speculation for now

[tired sparrow]

True, but tell me why I'm Sama have an StrawHat

With ice, and seems too old

Freezed to preserve over the time

[amber oar]

well, if that strawhat is Joyboy's, even less likely that is Luffy's hat given it's damn massive

Yes I revised the chat above. Making it rubber via awakening would make it stretchable. Not permanently bigger

Also what would even be the purpose of making it bigger

[tired sparrow]

Devil fruits can unlock more power when their are awakened. Remember that?

[exotic echo]

Is this theory also implying that Luffy is aware of all of this, and was just sworn to secrecy? Or is it some mindwipe thing? Either way, this is very far-fetched and hard to agree with

[tired sparrow]

Until we knows, we are don't know what is the awakening of toki toki no mi

[amber oar]

Doffy makes things strings, Kata makes things mochi. Luffy would make things rubber. Not permanently bigger.

[tired sparrow]

Out Luffy doesn't know anything yet

He has to live the time travel, not happened to Luffy yet

[amber oar]

Awakenings so far seem to extend the user's powers to other things, doesn't add different properties

[tired sparrow]

We don't know so much about awakenings yet

So it's only a theory and a possibility

[amber oar]

We do know that much. Anything else is headcanon shoehorned to patch up a theory's hole

[tired sparrow]

Maybe Luffy turns everything to gomu, he transforms into giant Luffy with their powers, including a giant gomu hat

In the battle he will have in the past

[amber oar]

a theory that needs to pile up asspulls like this to work is not a good theory, sorry

[tired sparrow]

When I told people about the theory of everyone in dressrosa joining strawhat, people said I was crazy

Is what happens with theories

By now is the only theory that tries to explain most things like I'm Sama strawhat, people knowing about Joy boy being here in a exact year

[amber oar]

so, you're now pulling something you got right six years ago to defend your theory

[tired sparrow]

Maybe this is the reason why Shanks gave the hat to Luffy, he heard from Roger about the history. Roger thought Shanks was Joy Boy. So Shanks stoled Gomu Gomu. But he recognized Luffy when accidentally he ate the gomu gomu

[primal pivot]

i dont think anything other than toki points to time travelling, if it was this huge of a factor it woulda been foreshadowed in some ways before

[limpid sequoia]

or Im sama could just be a guy that got the immortal surgery

[jade wave]

I dont think theory could be right either but alright , theories in one piece mostly are like headcanons

[tired sparrow]

If I'm Sama was inmortal, why is he hidden?

What could he fear?

[limpid sequoia]

he's hidden because no one needs to know he exists not because of fear. He's the king that shouldn't exist, he proves that the WG is lying

[weary cliff]

Revolution. It's easy to rule if no one knows you're the ruler

[tired sparrow]

Could be.

Okay, remove from your minds that I'm Sama has Toki Toki

The theory still being good without that

[amber oar]

broken link

[tired sparrow]

There is no better theory to explain why there are some people waiting for Joy Boy, or why people that read about secret history knows that Joy boy will appear again in current year

At least I didn't read one

[tired sparrow]

Totally agree

By the way, do you read the one piece synopsis?

Luffy description seems a little spoiler

Remember the secret phrase that Luffy told Ace and Ace told Yamato?

I think it is involved with Luffy description on the Live Action

Oda is collaborating with live action series

[weary cliff]

The simplest explanation is that it's possible to tell the future. As shown with Sharley. Oda specifically wrote the toki toki no mi with the limitations to prevent this kind of time travel mess. And I don't think the limitation was set up just so he could subvert it, it's a very sensible move to make

[tired sparrow]

The end of Luffy description:

His moral virtue and steadfast beliefs clash with the corrupt system clinging to the past. Luffy will start a legacy with his quest to create change, but first he must defeat enemies from the past and present.

Official Luffy description, reviewed by Oda for the Live Action

[tired sparrow]

Well... people, I told you a theory.
Can you tell me another one?

[velvet edge]

I could point you to some theories, if you check the pins you can see a lot of the larger ones

[fast hollow]

Luffy going to past theory is good but never ever going to happen

[proper condor]

if Enma is indeed the only sword that hurted kaido, does that mean that Oden was stronger than Shanks (we know that Shanks fought against kaido before marineford)

[modest skiff]

We don't know the extent of Kaido and Shanks conflict so we can't really say anything

[proper condor]

but it was said after their fight

[modest skiff]

What I am saying is the complete lack of detail gives us very little ability to make any determinations

[cyan berry]

We know that Shanks is able to hurt Kaido the same way Luffy did earlier with advanced CoC

[proper condor]

CoC ?

[proper condor]

facts

[modest skiff]

Color of conqueror, conqueror's haki

[proper condor]

oh so in english version they call it like that ?
in french it's "haki des rois" which means "king's haki"

[proven lion]

Very unlikely

We can assume that shanks has advanced conquerors haki and oda also stated he is currently the strongest haki user

[vestal orbit]

Oden was trying to kill kaido, shanks was trying to push him back

[slim ravine]

King is the next Straw Hat,

[vestal orbit]

My brain's too smooth to come up with anything beyond this but I feel like Tashigi looking like Kuina and Zoro looking like Ushimaru could be some sort of parallel

[pure raven]

hm ok I'm listening

what is the parallel you have in mind?

[vestal orbit]

Absolutely no idea

[sand sail]

Oda has said nothing of the sort

Kuina and Tashigi shouldn't be much of a parallel, Tashigi's relationship with Zoro is basically Koby's relationship with Luffy

Just a little more savage

[vestal orbit]

Not like their relationships or traits are identical, could be some wiggle room depending on future developments

[weary cobalt]

Stop insulting Kuina by comparing her to that women.

[proven lion]

Zoro+hiyori>

[slim ravine]

Has anyone else noticed that the core plot of One Piece correlates HEAVILY with the work of Homer?

[weary cliff]

The Tashigi thing isn't at all related to shipping, but this is duly noted

[amber oar]

honestly not and I'd love you expand

[gaunt kettle]

Luffy leaves his house and gets three children of people that are not his wife?

[slim ravine]

The 3 Ancient Weapons are Pluton, Poseidon, and Uranus. Pluton reprsents a thing(a battle ship), while Poseidon represents a person(Shirahoshi). Based on the fact that both are different forms of a noun, the most likely scenario is that Uranus is a place. Remember sayin that shit in like first grade? “A noun is a person, place, thing”. Now clearly they are all ancient greek or roman gods, but they were picked quite specifically. According to the wikipedia page for the god Pluto, Plato says that people prefer the name Plouton, "giver of wealth," because the name of Hades is fear-provoking. Pluton also means a body of intrusive igneous rock. Based on both of these, one would assume that the ancient weapon pluton is meant to destroy the “body if intrusive igneous rock”, or the Red Line, in order to benefit the rest of the world.
Now for Poseidon, we have Shirahoshi and she fit’s quite well into what we know of Poseidon. According to Homer in Iliad he is the lord of the sea and his palace is built in Aegai, in the depth of the sea(Fish-man Island). In the Iliad Homer writes about how, during the Trojan War(War Between WG and Ancient Kingdom), Poseidon sided with the Greeks(Ancient Kingdom) at least in part because he was still angry with Troy(WG) for the treatment he had received at the hands of Laomedon(Imu?), the father of King Priam. Apollo and Poseidon were contracted by Laomedon to build walls(Red Line) around the city. The two gods agreed to perform this manual labor either because they wanted to test him or because Zeus had decreed, as punishment for a rebellion of which they had both been a part, that they work for Laomedon for a year. In any case, at the end of the year, Laomedon would not pay them and even threatened to sell them as slaves. Apollo responded by sending a plague and Poseidon sent a sea monster(Sea Kings) to terrorize them. That plays pretty crazy close to what we already know about the OP world.

Implies that the original Poseidon likely helped the world government create the red line and then when they began enslaving their people they turned against them and sank their island to the bottom of the sea.
Now to speculate on Uranus, I’ll make the assumption that it too is based off of Greek literature and also the pattern of nouns, making it most likely a place. According to the wikipedia page for Uranus, “the function of Uranus was as the vanquished god of an elder time, before real time began”. Based on this I would make the assumption that Uranus is the Ancient Kingdom itself. The kingdom ruled and was vanquished during the gap year, whereafter “real time began” If the recent theory from Ohara holds up somewhat, it makes even more sense. Uranus is described simply as “the sky” and that would fit into what happened to this Ancient kingdom. The missing pieces of Jaya, or Uranus, are in the sky as described. Raftel was likely shot up into the sky and was somehow brought down, creating the depression at Enies Lobby. I think it also explains Kaido’s introduction. Why would this guy want to kill himself? We know now that he wants a glorious death like Oden, but in that moment, he just wanted to die. I think I have the answer. He still believes that Uranus is in the sky. When the poneglyphs were created pieces of Uranus were likely still in the sky, and Kaido may have information that leads him to that conclusion. So when he went searching through all the sky islands and found nothing, he just flat out said “f*ck it” and yeeted himself. And I think that’s it. That’s all I got for now. More research to come.

Uranus could also be God Valley. Uranus was the father of the titans, a creator of Gods. It wouldn’t play as well into the Sky aspect yet, but it could be a good reason for a fight to break out.

[alpine relic]

Uranus is a planet

[steady hinge]

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Introduction
A lot of people theorize on who will be the next straw hat, manny say it may be Carrot coming directly from Zou, maybe Momonoske abandoning Wano and gooing on a journey like his father, or even Kaidos sun Yamato, the answer for this question doesn’t stand in either one and the character that I relly belive will join the grupo will be Big Mom but for this to make sense we have to revisit her origins
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Big moms past
Big Mom is that character who is extremely extravagant likes to shout likes to participate and is also in the venture of the show, but besides this she has a character past building which is a bit different. And this created her main objective now a days which is to unite all the races, but the only thing on her way are the giants, because in her past she had a relly problematic relationship with Elbaf she ended up eating some people who where their defeated one of the giants leader and made the giants create a huge hatred towards her, even Charlotte Lilin’s name is known as the devil, so she has been all this time trying to establish a friendly relationship with the giants even paying Ceaser to try and make artificial giants in Punk Hazard, the hates Lola which we met in thriller bark because she refused the marriage with the giant prince Loki, then Big Mom tried to use Lolas twin sister was Lola and disturbed their relationship even more
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USSOP
At the same time we have the straw hat member Ussop a coward character who desires to one day become a strong warrior of the sea and his dream was intensified when Ussop met the giants for the first time. And Ussop contact with the giants happens manny times throughout the story, from the start he meets Broggy and Dorry the two giants fighting in little garden, becomes relly close friends with them, and admires them profoundly and then continues his journey, and in Ennis Lobby meets other 2 giants and he even talks to these giants about the other giants he met in little garden and these new giants also started admiring Ussop. In Dressrosa he makes contact with hajrudin who after becomes a member of the straw hat fleet and its worth mentioning that in Dressrosa Ussop is consagrated a god by the hands of a giant, all of these contact with Ussop and the giants were all relly healthy, all the giants relly liked Ussop, all of them said that they would comment about him with other people when returning home
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Ussop X Big mom
I honestly belive that Ussop will defeat Big Mom, not necessarily through a fight because as we now Big Mom is infinitely stronger then Ussop, but through words, Big Moms only objective is to have a connection with the giants she even said that when this happens her dream will be completed and she even will considere her self pirate queen, and this dream can be accomplished through no one other then Ussop, Ussop can talk with her and explain that he has a strong connection with the Giants and can make this bridge between Charlotte and Elbaf it could even be a lie that Ussop would use to calm the situation, after this she would abandon Kaido, that we already saw that she is relly capable of further more if her dream was in the line but ok Ussop won the fight but what is the relationship between this and Big Mom joining the crew ?
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BIG MOM JOINING
Then I ask u, isn’t it the most One Piece thing that she will simply be in the Sunny when Wano finishes? Just like Robin did when Alabasta finished and saying to Luffy that he had to assume the responsibility, I belive Big Mom will do the same , after Ussop promising that he would make a connection between her and Elbaf, Big Mom would want this to happen and what is the easiest way to go along with Ussop and complete her dream? Going with the straw hats, we have already seen that her character has a lot of emotional variations, personality variations she can go from one chapter beeing completely angry for beeing completely calm in the next and this is completely acceptable for her character

[proud tree]

Giants are not the only Race that is missing from BMs crew, Kings Race, and an unnamed race are also still missing from her crew ...

[pure raven]

Bro.....

[little kelp]

Big Mom joining?

[fast radish]

Literally every fiction had been based on Homer more or less.

Manga usually mixing the element between Greek Mythology and Eastern Mythology into one... that's normal.

[waxen dust]

White name members = stupid theories

[steady hinge]

It’s just a theory bro relax lol

[waxen dust]

not your theory, yours is decent

[modest skiff]

Oh hell yeah inject this into my veins. I have been a big fan of either BM or Kaido joining IF they realize Luffy is Joyboy. If they have conclusive proof that Luffy is Joyboy, I do think 1 or both of them could join. But it would only be if Luffy was shown to be on another level than them. This would require some sort of extreme power up that shows Luffy is gonna be the one to dethrone the CDs

[sand sail]

How about you not just disparage a whole group here trying to share creatively though?

Really don't need it in the server.

[modest skiff]

Yeah I mean no real reason to be mean, may as well be nice 😄

BrotherE if you can listen to my ramblings, you can cut people some slack

I'd also like to say I think it is great when people share their theories, whether I agree with them or not. I think there is always something to benefit from people sharing their unique creativity. And I think people are putting themselves out there and being vulnerable when they post their work. So we should be kind and supportive!

[waxen dust]

Usopp will likely get credit for defeating BM, but in all reality he defeats Loki and Luffy 1v1s Big Mom. MAYBE Usopp and Nami give Luffy an assist with the win by distracting the soul elements but not directly facing mom

[modest skiff]

I will give my thorough thoughts on this after I grab dinner. Quoting this so I remember to reply later. I like big theories like this.

[waxen dust]

I am gonna be blunt, doesn’t mean its disparaging. Usually the new members have stupid theories. It’s face value criticism

[sand sail]

Yeah, that wasn't up for debate.

[modest skiff]

I think that we should generally try not to be mean when someone is sharing creativity, whether we think it is good or bad. We should tell people not to shit post, but if someone puts legitimate effort into something, we should be a community that encourages it by being kind. I think we do ourselves a disservice by discouraging new members to post their ideas

[waxen dust]

fair point Moh, my intentions aren’t to be a dick, but I am gonna pull the rug under someone’s theory if it isn’t plausible. That helps make people make better conclusions

[queen arrow]

there's a lot of stupid theories that aren't made by white name members, so that's a false equivalency

[sand sail]

Guys, I'd rather not go on about it. @waxen dust That wasn't an opinion or a suggestion, it was a warning.

[river plaza]

That's too much to put inside my head 😩

[stuck sundial]

Ayo what if Luffy expands his body using heat (since heat expands) and expands into a giant, that would be cool

[foggy gulch]

Crazy theory sanji will defeat both king and Queen zoro will go back up the rooftop or just gets defeated 💩

[halcyon talon]

Highly doubt sanji will take on both calamities alone

[weary cliff]

We already saw Sanji fail at that. That's why we needed Zoro back. Speaking of things we've already seen; Zoro got his shit rocked so hard on the roof Oda had to pull a deus ex machina to keep him relevant in the arc. I get this is a purposeful trash theory (and really this isn't the place for it), but enough people seriously propose Zoro rejoins the Kaido fight that it's worth repeating that he certainly will not

[foggy gulch]

I guess we'll see if I'm definitely wrong😅

[dusky acorn]

Implies that the original Poseidon likely helped the world government create the red line and then when they began enslaving their people they turned against them and sank their island to the bottom of the sea.
Due to the latest chapter, we know this specific scenario can't be true. Or at least, it's very highly unlikely. Whitebeard states that "long before" Marijoa existed atop the Red Line, it was already a natural development on earth where Lunarians were known and thrived

I also don't think I can agree with Kaido's potential Uranus knowledge being the reason he was on Balloon Terminal, or that he's actively searching sky islands to find it. I'm pretty sure Balloon Terminal drifting up around Kid's hideout is a generally known thing, as Hawkins said there's legends of monsters existing up in the skies there for whatever reason.

Basically, Apoo called him over to the hideout, and Kaido either stumbled upon the island while he was understandably travelling in his dragon form, or already knew about the island's presence due to that monster legend and decided to make a stop there to kill two birds with one stone. Make an entrance to capture the Supernova, and try to kill himself in the process

I like the idea of going back to the basics of what a noun is and speculating Uranus to be a place/island. God Valley is also one of the first islands that came to my mind too, when you said that. Not sure what the implications for the story would be if the CDs literally had an ancient weapon in their hands up until recent years though.

Nonetheless, I await what further speculation you have to bring about in the future

[reef solstice]

Tbf with regard to the red line creation bit, we dont know for sure if it always encircled the earth. Its possible that it was modified after the CD took over. Not to try and disprove anything, just sth to maybe think about i spose

[pure raven]

Best theory I heard on Uranus if it's really a place then I would imagine it's a place where all sorts of information is. Fish+ship+island.

[steady hinge]

Yeah but Big Mom has shown to have a special interest in Giants since she was a kid

[normal plume]

I’ve read the Iliad and never made that connection so that’s cool. But you know if the connection to speculate on for Uranus is simply it’s a noun and among the others a “place “ fulfillment is missing, then I can just as reasonably speculate that the ancient weapons are like the powers of the 3 sea devils or devil fruits: zoan (Poseidon to control sea kings), paramecia (war-machine fits the man-made creation type this fruit usually falls into), and then speculate that Uranus is like a logia giving the power for controlling some natural element, if the name is any indication then of celestial nature

Also BM or Kaidou can be Luffys allies if they see Joyboy in him or whatever their motive, but as for joining the SHs firstly can you even imagine it. Neither of them can even fit through the door in the ship to get inside I bet

They’re not going to change ships anymore and they’re simply too big to possibly be nakama possibilities. It’s gonna be Yamato pretty sure

This is why I don’t use this phone. 😅 Ah well going to bed chat has passed maybe next time

[ancient vault]

But Uranus is supposed to be a weapon. How is a Kingdom in of itself a weapon?

[ancient vault]

wait indidnt lnow about the monster thing

[waxen dust]

it’s not and I think the legend monsters could be those shadows from Thriller Bark illuminating downward from the sky, maybe

[ancient vault]

but how is it not its in the name
Its supposed to be some type of danger at least

[waxen dust]

Uranus was God Valley but with giant Oars feet 🦶

[foggy rain]

I found an interesting Twitter post theory but Idk if I should post it because it’s about Yamato and it’ll likely cause arguments

[rancid vine]

This first point is a good idea. But how could a place be a weapon? If anything, Pluton is more of a place, because you can live on a ship, and you can store something on it and etc. All the terms for a place can apply to a ship, which is pluton. If anything Uranus is more likely to be the thing; a weapon. Maybe a df? A sword? Muramokugiri (whitebeard's spear) could emit earthquakes as well, which might just be a feature of a fruit, but what if it had a special ability which allowed it to act as a kind of vessel for df powers? like, if luffy used it, it would be a rubber spear?
Idk I'm just spitballing at this point

[abstract pond]

Roger probably told all about Laugh Tale to Whitebeard, how much did WB tell to Marco is what I'm wondering.

[proven lion]

Probably nothing unless he asked which I'm sure he didnt care much

[proud tree]

I made a theory how Birkans, Shandians and Skypians (humans with wings) could be related to kings race (a race with apparently giant wings) Tldr; The previous inhabitants of the red line where winged people/ members of a winged race and some of their traditions live on with Skypians, (Birkans) in in the title of "God/ Kami" and Shandians, guarding ancient poneglyphs, most of them have wings too. https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/peuvmr/the_winged_races_of_one_piece_gods_on_top_of_the/

It is much easier to get on top of the red line first and easier and fend off invaders from a tall cliff (like King did at Wano cliff entrance with Big Moms crew) if you can fly.

[umbral island]

sheeeesh makes sense

[stuck ore]

Tbh I would like if it was an actual weapon and not a df or something

But still a solid theory

[scarlet solar]

Hello Snake_case_name, in the chapter 839, the giant bird in the German dining room - doesn't it have skull emblems very similar to those of King ?

No proof of anything, but speculation of Garuda and Sanji descendants of Lunaria

[proud tree]

yep I was inspired by this theory that also noticed the giant bird thing https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/pdttfc/ch_1023_theory_the_mystery_surrounding_the/

[waxen dust]

yeah like we spoke prior, King’s race seems to be the originals and all the others are somehow a hybrid of his breed with human/lunarian etc. I definitely could get behind this and hopefully more exploration into the Sky Islands. gg

[surreal oriole]

Yeah I posted something similar in here yesterday, just not nearly as well worded lol. I had the thought that maybe all humans evolved from the lunarians. And we are just seeing people at different stages of evolution

[vale smelt]

yoooo maybe Kings race is the same as Pearls race????

[weary cliff]

Oda spent 20 years playing fast and loose with which characters can make fire. Now that there's an in world explanation, the floodgates are open. RIP this channel

[weak plaza]

First Sanji family
Second Zoro family
Next Might be Nami
Then Ussop, Franky, Brook,

That’s might be the member that family origin need to be revealed next one after another

What do you think ?
Fun fun theory, no serious

Especially Franky
So far nothing is revealed of his family origin in the entire series.

Might had unexpected family origin like Sanji and Zoro

Another is Brook history that made him said Gol D Roger is rookie in his generation.

[abstract pond]

"history that made him said Gol D Roger is rookie"

He is just that old

[weak plaza]

That’s why it’s so sus of Brook origin. He might also experience Rock pirate too or know some truth of one piece. Since he is that old of generation.

So sus… every straw hat members origin is sus after Zoro origin is revealed and Sanji

Even Sanji
It’s mean the series character had human sense of understanding after the guy said How can a human burst into flame. Like that King bird guy somewhat not human

So from now on any strange thing had hidden egg behind it

[abstract pond]

As far as we know, only Roger pirates reached One Piece since void century so Brook's generation and previous probably knew less that the current pirates in the world.

[weak plaza]

Yeah

[amber oar]

Usopp was like the only crewmate whose heritage was never a secret

(Aside from Chopper whose biological family reduces to Generic Male Reindeer - Generic Female Reindeer)

[pure raven]

Do you think King looks like a human? or totally different? his whole body is covered there must be a reason

[dusky acorn]

Well, I think there's basically three routes King's looks can go.

1. Easy route, he just looks like a human, sorta like other sky people where the wings are merely the one anomaly to their looks. This goes hand in hand with his already pretty human looking silhouette, normal shaped legs/arms/fingers/etc.

2. If we're to gauge King's looks merely off his wings instead, perhaps he could be a feathered creature all under the suit as well. Sort of looking like someone if they were to eat a crow DF and be in hybrid form? I guess the issues with this are his non hawk-looking eyes, and that his mask isn't elongated to compensate for a beak or anything.

3. Spicy route, my personal favourite. His body shape is otherwise human, but his whole body under there is constantly combustible, and he wears the suit to prevent most of the flames from leaking out. So, I think he could sort of look like a fire zombie? A reference I have in mind for this is Brand from League lol. I guess take a look at this if you want a better picture of what I have in mind https://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/img/champion/splash/Brand_0.jpg

If it's the third route, I think he'll take off the suit if it's acting as like a limiter. Not only to give the reveal behind what his race actually looks like, but also to act as part of his power-up in his fight with Zoro, and generate much more flames

[pure raven]

the third route would be pretty cool

knowing he has fire coming out his back / neck

I want the third route, but it will probably be the first

Then again why is he covering himself if the only defining feature is their wings

Maybe I just shouldn't talk 😩

or maybe his whole body is burnt from himself and he covers it

[surreal oriole]

I've been expecting him to look similar to Magellan but maybe there is alot of variety amongst their race

[sand sail]

Why Magellan?

[surreal oriole]

I thought they were both lunarian

[modest skiff]

We have no indication Magellan is lunarian

[surreal oriole]

Yeah that's true. Could be something completely different. I've had it in my head they are the same race lol #headcanon

[pure raven]

they have similar morphology

[ancient vault]

Queen is male
King is female

[surreal oriole]

Yeah and that's simply where I made the connection. The first time they showed king my mind went straight to Magellan

[pure raven]

also i wonder about the skulls on his suit

because shyrui has the same, and he was the old impel down leader

[weary cliff]

Shiryu was warden? You sure?

[pure raven]

right arm or i don't know the word

co leader?

[weary cliff]

Okay, I thought so

[dusky acorn]

To be honest, I think Sanji's woman attuned senses would have been able to distinguish that from King, and yet he was still fine in opening up a clash with him.

[sand sail]

^

Sanji's body itself would have rejected fighting King

Oda would've teased it as if it were some special power King had, too

We'd be sitting here contemplating if his race some some special species of mystical human that could telekinetically repel people or something

And next chapter, Sanji would have another moment with Brook and Robin around Black Maria lol

[dusky acorn]

The main thing that deters the King = Impel Down connection is the fact that Shiryu took those skull designs only after leaving his position as head jailer. So that's actually his Blackbeard Pirate design lol. Here's his old one -> http://onepiece-treasurecruise.com/en/wp-content/uploads/c1275.png

[weary cliff]

Damn Bean, that'd actually be very entertaining if Oda pulled something like that off

[ancient vault]

Jinbei has the same on WCI

[ancient vault]

yh its just a clothing brand or sth

[pure raven]

also magellan has wings too

[sand sail]

Magellan's wings are fake, I believe

[surreal oriole]

Yeah they both have wings although different. Magellan's are more like batwings. I don't remember if they were fake or not

[pure raven]

Maybe King's ones are fake too because he was magellan's senpai

who's who doesn't like king, maybe because he was impel down leader back when who's who was in jail there

[dusky acorn]

Who's Who doesn't have former history with Impel Down either, though

He was in some other prison. We know the exact circumstances at which he escaped, and they didn't stem from the Impel Down breakout

[sand sail]

^

[pure raven]

Oh no, my wonderful theory is ruined

King is Ace thats why he makes fire

[surreal oriole]

I was assuming it was impel down he escaped from, and there had been multiple escapes from there the WG just keeps it a secret. But it could of been some different prison he escaped from, it wasn't ever exactly stated

[sand sail]

This is a no meme zone

[bitter kraken]

I thought it was impel down too, and the guard who disappeared was mearly taken to Iva’s level

[dusky acorn]

The thing is, Who's Who was told this story on an absolutely arbitrary occasion, like at a random point in time.

Who's Who knew that the guard disappeared within days. If Who's Who's hysteria was on the basis of that, he almost certainly chose initiative to escape very soon after hearing the story, since he'd probably think he was on a very short timer too. It being in the time-frame of Impel Down's prison break would be a massive coincidence in that case.

[surreal oriole]

I thought he was offed by one of the CP squads. The guard heard the story from another prisoner and that was knowing too much. Who's who recognized he knew too much and was only a matter of time before they came for him.

[surreal oriole]

My thought is he escaped by himself and the WG kept it a secret.

[bitter kraken]

That’s what I think, the Gov would be embarrassed if they knew he had escaped given that he was a former agent of theirs who had lost the fruit that they prolly wanted lol would make them look pretty weak

[dusky acorn]

We know Who's Who's escape wasn't kept in complete secrecy however, Jinbei was able to hear the story somehow. I assume it made the newspapers in that case

[surreal oriole]

Hrm it might of been. Shit ima have to reread their fight when I get home lol

[hollow dust]

Who do you guys think joy boy was now that we know it wasnt anyones name and just a title that can be earned

[weary cliff]

Nika seems likely enough

[pastel sinew]

Fuck, this whole time I thought Shanks stopped Kaido from possibly aiding Whitebeard in Marineford,

But apparently Kaido was on his way to “Attack” whitebeard

[elfin lynx]

I like to think that Shanks predicted and told kaido that marineford would be the place Whitebeard would die, and told kaido to just leave it at that

[sand sail]

They tell us he was on his way to attack Whitebeard during the Marineford arc

[elfin lynx]

that's what kaido would have done had shanks not step in

[queen arrow]

i think just telling Kaido that Whitebeard wouldn't stop him, since he was probably going to kill him himself

[pure raven]

Maybe they had a conversation about Joyboy

Part of me feels like Kaido might've wanted to just come along for the party

[zinc oxide]

kaido wanted to kill wb himself

he is so bored and suicidal, he wouldnt miss the chance of glory and fighting the strongest man

only way he got told to fk off was a bribe, especially considering shanks and his crew look like they didnt fight at all prior to reaching marineford

so shanks probably offered kaido yamato's fruit or a red pony or something as crazy

i cant see any other way kaido being told to f off marineford when he's bored and battle-hungry

[pastel sinew]

Rewatching impel down rn, and it was some random marine who told VA momonga about the Shanks / Kaido encounter. And he ended it by saying “it doesn’t seem to have been a huge battle though….”

[zinc oxide]

yeah he mentions that it wasnt a large battle when it should have been, shanks and his crew look unharmed and ready to fight

[pastel sinew]

We’re gonna find out what that convo was soon. Man I can’t wait

[zinc oxide]

[fathom matrix]

It could have been the holy land. Sun god, slave god, guy disappeared after mentioning it, CP9 agent delivering a DF but got an instant harsh punishment

[steel fjord]

I think Kaido thought that rocks was joyboy, and knows about the dawn. Once kaido died he thought ace was joyboy and wanted to fight him or something. “It seems you couldn’t be joyboy EITHER”

[hollow dust]

Joy boy is a title

[steady hinge]

I hope so

[hollow dust]

It is, it’s confirmed

It’s not just joyboy, it’s “the joyboy”

[light onyx]

Law is joyboy (joke btw)

[hollow dust]

this here

Law is not joyboy, they are trying to open up wano for when "the joyboy" arrives

[steady hinge]

Thank god

[hollow dust]

kaido literally says right there, "it seems you too... couldnt become..., "the joy boy".....!!

[steady hinge]

It would honestly be sad if Oda pushed a Naruto ending

[hollow dust]

and that they are trying to open up wano for the day that the joy boy arrives

[light onyx]

Luffy is joyboy cuz he is Very jolly

[hollow dust]

no luffy is already in wano

so that doesnt make sense to what is being stated

[gentle lily]

Can we talk about the new vivre cards in here?

[hollow dust]

im guessing joy boy is going to be some character like shirahoshi, who is another ancient weapon of some sort

just a title given

[light onyx]

But

[hollow dust]

its a title to be inherited

[light onyx]

Does it have to be when joy boy gets to wano

[hollow dust]

it says it right there in the thing i posted

but we must open its ports... before the day that joyboy appears

[light onyx]

Ah before the day

[hollow dust]

until that point, there is a purpose to this country being closed

[steady hinge]

It may be a crazy statement but what about Shanks?

[light onyx]

2 piece confirmed ig

[hollow dust]

Shanks can go anywhere so I doubt that

[steady hinge]

I doubt it would be a new character

[hollow dust]

Well it’s someone not in wano yet

At least from the information we known

[steady hinge]

It almost certain it won’t be any of the supernova

Because most of them ar already in Wano

[hollow dust]

We’ve met so many characters in one piece, it could honestly even be filler characters

[steady hinge]

It will probably be a very relevant character tbh

Maybe Dragon

[hollow dust]

I mean shirahoshi isn’t very relevant she appears only a couple times

Yet she’s Poseidon

[steady hinge]

I honestly think the revolutionary’s will have a very important role in the future só Dragon isn’t a bad guess

[light onyx]

Makimos child ?!?!!

[steady hinge]

Isn’t he a baby?

[hollow dust]

Most titles are inherited so it could be someone’s baby

[steady hinge]

But then the akaza nine would be transported even further in the future

Like 30 years or so

[junior shoal]

Sengoku did not just take care of Corazon like a father, but he also did so for Drake after he fleed his father's crew.

so what's the opinion about sword? hmm sengoku aware/part/head of it?

[deep crypt]

I had a discussion this morning in the manga server, I thought it would make sense for Tsuru and Sengoku to be SWORD leaders- Now that the vivre card is out im leaning towards sengoku now for sure but still pretty unclear

[gentle jewel]

why did tom give robins posters to iceberg and franky again

[supple anchor]

cause of pluton. robin was the only person that could resurrect the ancient weapon and if she did Tom wanted to make sure that they would be able to build another pluton to counter it

[icy island]

Hi, quick question. Was/has it been revealed who helped the samurai in the room when they were hurt??

[supple anchor]

hasnt been revealed yet

[icy island]

Thx ❤️

[supple anchor]

no worries

[icy island]

Any other theories than orochis head ninja? (cant remember the name)

[supple anchor]

uhh ive seen theories on hiyori, toki, and tsuru(kinemon's wife) but nothing else

im sure it will get revealed once the chaos from onigashima dies down

[modest skiff]

My theory regarding this is that both of them have reverence for whatever group were the "original" pirates. I think one thing will will learn is that the skull flag had an actual origin in One Piece. We are told early on that it is a symbol of freedom and resistance. This to me implies that perhaps one of the original revolutionary groups opposed to the CDs (lots of possibilities here, perhaps the first group to try to retake Marie Jois from the CDs) used this flag as a rallying point.

[modest skiff]

I really like the idea of Uranus being a place and I'm trying to see how that could fit into my theory of Uranus. I feel pretty confident that Uranus was mildly loyal to Roger as a matter of circumstance (partially because I think Uranus is similar to a Phoenix in that it lays an egg which takes its place, which I think fits in well with the whole inherited will thing. I think Uranus passes its strength onto its egg) and that is why Uranus only did the bare minimum to protect Roger's crew from Shiki's fleet.

I will offer another perspective on your idea of

Pluton also means a body of intrusive igneous rock. Based on both of these, one would assume that the ancient weapon pluton is meant to destroy the “body if intrusive igneous rock”, or the Red Line, in order to benefit the rest of the world.

I think it is possible that the islands on the One Piece planet are foreign and perhaps resulted from other planets being destroyed and their debris landing on the One Piece planet. If I need to say One Piece Planet from here on, I will say OPP. We know Pluton was used to destroy islands. It is possible that Pluton was originally intended to be used to destroy foreign invader islands and that the Red Line was the only naturally occuring land mass above water at one point.

One of my problems with this theory is that you are saying the Red Line was created as a response to invasion. But all indications are that volcanos above sea are necessary to create the sky sea/islands. That indicates the red line started out as a bunch of volcanos and that the Red Line was naturally occurring.

One thing worth mentioning is that we have been told Zunesha is being punished. We don't know why. You mention Zeus punished a rebellion. I think Zunesha was punished for rebelling against the AK.

I agree that Poseiden was deceived. I think Alabasta was decieved too. I think that overall, Imu managed to turn a set of powers against the AK and that Imu was jealous of whoever was originally leading the AK. I think Imu is very insecure about the power they have achieved and they are deeply worried (for good reason) their rule will come to an end. They know they're gonna get fucked later on. They understand the idea that prophecies and whatnot are actually real and that is why the seakings talk about pending events. They know FOR SURE about what will happen in the future. Same with Imu.

One sidenote: I agree that Oda likes to use the English language in cheeky ways. Person, place and thing makes sense but I don't see how a place ends up helping Roger vs Shiki. But I'll keep reading.

I think the real time comes after the CDs. One other thing to point out: Ohara is an entertainer and I think his theories are only intended to generate revenue. We should not take his conclusions seriously. But he presents good evidence. But he is financially incentivized to make unique conclusions, which are often bad.

I don't think that Kaido did not actually try to kill himself. I think he was testing his body because he has some reason to think he is cursed in a way and that is why he made such a big deal out of "wait, I am taking damage? That's weird."

Also, as a side note, I think the AK sought refuge in the sky. I think they are crazy high up and basically abandoned their allies.

[modest skiff]

Forgot to quote this so quoting it in this following message

One thing is that is interesting about your theory @slim ravine , which is perhaps a weakness in your theory, is that it doesn't explain how Shiki's goose got cooked vs Roger. I am assuming it involved Uranus, since we know he had some sort of access to an ancient weapon. It sounds like you are assuming that is not true.

[rapid oar]

uranus is gv

[modest skiff]

What is gv? Also note the rules of this channel, just in case this was a meme post

[rapid oar]

sorry i meant god valley, i find it hard to believe that rocks, garp and roger all just happened to be there at the same time

[modest skiff]

This would be supported by the fact that Shiki says he is able to wreck people in 20 years. If he learned about the cyclic nature of the ancient weapons, perhaps he knows he just needs to hang out at GV until it is ready to be used as a weapon

One other thing: When Shiki was disgusted with Roger being executed by the marines, it implied that Shiki was beyond the reach of marines at the time. He was completely dumbfounded and I think his overall reaction made it clear that "If I am beyond the marines, there is NO WAY Roger was actually caught by the marines...", so it is possible the marines would never pursue him, even if they knew where he was.

[sand sail]

It was more that he knew Roger was beyond the reach of the marines than anything, really

Strongest guy around and all that, it was hard to believe he could ever be taken down after decades of being a menace

[modest skiff]

I agree with this, but the impression I got from the way he said what he said made it feel like he was also beyond the reach of the marines. I have no evidence of this other than impression though

He made it seem like anyone he respects would be well beyond the marines. And I assume he respects himself

[queen arrow]

well, if Shiki thought that highly of himself then he was wrong anyway since he gets defeated like right after that

[modest skiff]

You mean by Roger? My impression is that half his fleet getting owned was a big part of that. But maybe Roger would have won anyway

[queen arrow]

no by Sengoku and Garp

that's when he gets angry that Roger has been captured

[opaque rain]

https://youtu.be/YI31AIk2Rv4

First W theory in one piece??

[modest skiff]

This channel is for serious theories. Use other channels for non serious stuff

[supple anchor]

damn that dude was on the money

[supple anchor]

theres been some others, i saw a thread where one person called kanjuro being a traitor. theres so many theories out there some of em are gonna be right

[modest skiff]

Kanjuro being fashioned as an actor made it fairly obvious in retrospect but yeah since people predicted every single scabbard one of them had to be right

[pure raven]

🧢 🧢

[modest skiff]

If you are posting theories that involve chapter spoilers you are violating the channel rules. Also this channel isn’t for joke theories

[ancient vault]

@weak arrow GET HIS ASS

[queen arrow]

okay you two react to this and not to the guy suggesting Luffy will stretch his cock to BB's territory?

[ancient vault]

Im just looking out for others to not get spoiled
I dont associate myself with weirdo theories

[ancient vault]

Also mohdoo already reacted to that message if u scroll up

[queen arrow]

wait that theory had spoilers

I'm glad I didn't read it, dodged a bullet

[modest skiff]

Just doing my part salute

[ancient vault]

i was wondering why u didnt say anything frustrating or so lol

[queen arrow]

the power of a focused mind

[covert hazel]

Wow lucky, my brain skips anything in caps lock so I missed it

[gloomy canyon]

Guys, if you see anything that contains spoilers in one of the manga channels and you read spoilers, just a ping a spoiler staff in the spoiler channels to avoid drawing attention to it. Screaming that there's a spoiler in the manga channel can only get more people spoiled

[queen arrow]

does this get to just stay there though?

[gloomy canyon]

no

[queen arrow]

thank

[modest skiff]

yeah i don't read spoilers and i wasn't sure if pinging a mod would just make them see the spoiler so i didn't really know what to do 😦

My hope was that they would delete their message themselves if i told them the rules

[gloomy canyon]

All good, if it's super blatant like "JUST READ THE SPOILERS FOR X CHAPTER OMG ___ HAPPENS!" and you read it that's just incredibly unfortunate and if there's no one else around, definitely do ping a mod

[modest skiff]

Will do, thanks Evan

[gloomy canyon]

Nah thanks for keeping this channel so clean

Glad there's good regulars here

[modest skiff]

My pleasure, I think this channel is really great when it is kept to a high standard

[gloomy canyon]

Definitely. It's a very unique channel and it's great to keep it at that high standard

[shy crater]

Came across this comment, thoughts?

[pure raven]

This channel is for serious theories only

[weak plaza]

Ok idk if it’s a meme or not. Now I move it to meme

[light onyx]

Do you think Luffys journey will end like Rogers

Like luffy will be executed franky will be imprisoned and executed

zoro would be something like Rayleigh or mihawk

Idfk about nami but she’ll probably be in the sky islands

Robin would be like her mother or just recreate the library of Ohara

Chopper would be like dr kureha

Jimbe would probably protect fish man island

[covert hazel]

Probably not, Luffy will dismantle the world government so he shouldn't die

[light onyx]

I think luffy wouldn’t dismantle it but he’d make it less corrupt than it is

I think coby would later become a fleet admiral and the gorosei and imu will be rid of

[ebon needle]

So the God Valley was King's former home which is now the Marijoes? any thoughts?

[covert hazel]

It was God's Land, which is on the red line. Not necessarily Marijoes

[ebon needle]

So the God's land was where Roger/Garp fought with Rocks?

[covert hazel]

No, that was God's Valley

God has a lot of real estate in one piece

[weary cliff]

No, Luffy is on a different trajectory. He's set up to succeed where previous people like him failed

[junior cape]

Luffy is destined to be based while everyone else is destined for cringe.

Anyway, we're absolutely gonna see physical changes in Sanji in the next few chapters. Perhaps he'll be able to amp up his flame intensity or coverage, or perhaps he'll gain the steel skin of the Vinsmokes.

[lusty wasp]

i wnna know theories about how blackbeard got the second fruit also about joyboy

oh i think wrong channel

[icy island]

Really pumped up for it ❤️ Would love it if it is revealed that his mother is actually of the same race as King. Finding out about both him and zoro parentage at the same time

[ancient vault]

I think it was heres my theory:

Land of God = nation of multiple races that were considered godly

Existed before war vs WG (800 years ago)

Imu sama at the wish (?) of the CDs got rid of that so called Nation of Gods because he and/or the CDs considered themselves the only gods

He defeated them and kicked them off/transported them to the blue sea where they were imprisoned and enslaved for centuries

The island is now known to us as God Valley

CD's went there regularly to torture those maybe a contest or compitation of some sort? (probably some sort of ritual/festivals)

Xebec wanted the power of those "Godly races" as well as he wanted to kill the CDs on that island and also Imu if they was there. Or just bait/lure them out

Not only Lunarians but Dragons and other races who can be considered godly

[ebon needle]

So many mystery without any explanation yet

[supple anchor]

seems like the mysteries increase with every answer we get

god tier writing from Goda

[neon shoal]

I wouldnt be suprise if happened

[neon shoal]

Honestly its interesting marijoes choose lunarians homeland to be imu and cekestrial dragon new home after defeating ancient kingdom 800 years ago. I thought that red line marigoes is where ancient kingdom used to be located because usually after an country wins, country use enemy land as home, similar after kaido defeat oden, kaido official made wano beast pirate base, so kinda thought that the reason marijoes choose the top of red line as new capitol of world government is because red line used to be where ancient kingdom is.

[neon shoal]

But if celestial dragon view as “ gods” then it makes sense after world givernment defeated the ancient kingdom and took over lunarian “god’s land” then celestial dragon would consider themselves as gods after taking over “god’s land”

[fathom matrix]

Maybe Big Mom's Tat Land was foreshadowing to how the holy land used to be home to almost every race and they lived peacefully, but the C.Ds and WG came along and booted them off.

Dragons also seem to be a prominent theme in One Piece, so maybe the C.Ds rode dragons or stole dragons from the lunarians, to fight against them, but afterwards they treated their dragons so poorly, they ended up dying.

Or hell, maybe during the void century, the battle was on it's last legs, and even though the C.Ds won, they lost all their dragons, so they kept the name "Celestial Dragons" in rememberance of the creatures that helped get them to where they are.

Not in rememberance of honour or they were sad, more like "You know what? WE STILL WON, and we're going name ourselves after the creatures we used to destroy you, because we lead and used that damn beasts to win"

OR at least every race was welcome to the Holy Land. I guess lived would be a stretch

[pure raven]

OP can have 5k episodes until Luffy become 40 old(alot of gear 2 usage and impel down arc)

[topaz swallow]

what

[waxen dust]

How many “Gods” have we referenced in the series so far?

-Sun God
-God of War
-God of Rain
-God of Forest
-God of Earth

-Imu’s katakana translates as “Buddha”
-Land of Gods
-God Valley

Also the Ancient Weapon names have ties to actual gods in greek mythology.

There seems to be multiple individuals who were deemed as deities like Nika, this may be a case of polytheism. So it could be a legitimate scenario where real gods were overthrown by the Celestials. The plot is beginning to get ideologically deeper than we initially assumed.

[modest skiff]

@waxen dust , I don't remember any of the gods other than sun god. Having a hard time finding the others on the wiki. Where are those mentioned?

[sand sail]

Elbaf is the God of War, the giants worship him

They call the boar that attacks in Wano the Mountain God, I believe

All of the gods referenced in the post under God of War there are all actually the same thing

The giant snake from the Skypeia arc

[waxen dust]

Katakuri also worshipped the God of War in the Donut shrine, that’s what the baker told Luffy.

[sand sail]

Yeah, that was obviously not true though

[waxen dust]

yeah, but seems like the idea of praising the God of War isnt exclusively Elbaf since Katakuri used that as a believable lie.

[sand sail]

Yeh, it doesn't have to be exclusively Elbaf's thing, Elbaf is just their god of war

[waxen dust]

Rain-Earth were all referenced during the Noland backstory

[waxen dust]

Yeah exactly, it is starting to seem that a polytheistic theme is beginning to be presented in the forefront of the narrative, so I am wondering where will all of this essentially lead to. I definitely think there’s a grander story to be told than just relating to the Lunarians or the Red Line. It could likely also tie into the Globe diagram we saw in Ohara

[sand sail]

Well, the polytheistic theme is inevitable, One Piece spans over dozens of cultures

But there's actually more of a monotheistic theme being presented, we have concretely the Celestial Dragons representing a false demiurge entity collectively

A "god" that will soon end up toppled

[waxen dust]

Yeah! It seems like whatever occurred 800 years ago not only changed the political system of the world but as well as the religious aspects as well since now the greater belief of the world is monotheism and the Celestial Dragons are meant to represent that one entity, but whereas context clues hint at there being possibly being multiple entities similar to Nika. So it also begs a question, How does Imu bridge the ideas of Monotheism vs Polytheism? Because obviously Imu’s influence is likely direct reason of the world’s current state both politically and religiously.

[sand sail]

800 years ago, but what's happened now hasn't been a religious shift by any means. The Celestial Dragons became rulers who elevated themselves to the status of gods, but they haven't gone around wiping out any other religions that we know of. We've had as far as devil worship going on in the world, we've had loads of religious imagery and references, and there hasn't been much emphasis on the Celestial Dragons as a religious body

They're "gods" and they accept worship/tribute, but they haven't squeezed themselves into only one position

This monotheism really only spans the political sphere, not a religious one

[light onyx]

I just think the kingdoms from long ago have a superiority/god complex tbh

[pure raven]

imagine if fruits like aliens in ben 10

[limpid holly]

i have a theory that during 'God Valley incident' (38 years ago), the Celestial Dragon that Roger and Garp protected was Shanks's mother, and Shanks (39 years old in the present) was 1 year old and by her side, she somehow died and Roger adopted him.
that's explains a lot, the relation between Shanks and Gorōsei, the elders, and why Shanks got the straw hat from Roger at such young age, it gotta be because they formed earlier close relationship prior, we never seen Roger with the straw hat except from the time he recruited Rayleigh, even in the flashbacks.

[halcyon talon]

i love theories involving god valley, i'll give this a read after

[icy island]

Just a random thought about Kaido. His whole motive for me is to die in a blaze of glory. Not becoming the pirate king or whatever. Is his dream to wait for ”joy boy” to beat him and be THE stepping stone for chaotic change in the world?

[fathom matrix]

Only issue I may see with that is, wouldn't kidnapping a Celestial Dragon be a serious crime? And why would Garp allow Roger to adopt one?

[icy island]

Based on his history of execution, suicides and him letting momonusuke survive and fulfill the propesy that big changes will happen in Wano present time

[clever lintel]

The ultimate defeat of Kaido is that he'll be broken down and forgotten.

[icy island]

Him killing Oden is probably the start of his demise and maybe his crowning achivement in retrospect and how history will remember him

Been re-reading the wano raid lately while drinking beer, thx for responding on half-baked thoughts

[weary cobalt]

I still prefer that Kaido becomes Luffy's pet dragon

He dies a heroic death while trying to protect his master

[icy island]

While on that subject, interested in theories on how to deal with Hawkins power? What prerequisite does he need? Obvs was Kidd neglectful/”weak” cuz haki by logic should negate his power in the same way laws did on yonkou

[icy island]

Because he thinks luffy is joy boy?

[queen arrow]

https://twitter.com/ScotchInformer/status/1433585089997381640 the Hitetsukiyaki theory lives

Scotch (@ScotchInformer)

تصحيح خطأ في بطاقة الفيفركارد الخاصة في تينغوياما هيتيتسو

عمره ليس 58 إنما 81 عاماً !

Twitter · Sep 3, 2021, 12:18 AM

[pure raven]

link the theory

[queen arrow]

it's in the pins now

[pure raven]

thank you sir

[junior cape]

Hmmm. Based on voodoo, it may need some physical piece of the person to work, like hair or toenail. May also need some sort of sacrifice to work, such as putting some straw in Kid's body. It's clearly nonconsensual, as bepo and guys wouldn't do it willingly. Maybe it's as simple as physical contact?

[modest skiff]

Perhaps one of the most solid and likely to be true theories of all time. At this point I will need to be convinced it is NOT true

[compact glade]

Prolly confirmed at this point tbh

[modest skiff]

One of the big things for me is that if Oden didn’t pass the AK language to momo before dying, grandpa is the only direct line left. They appear to have made an extremely concentrated effort to hide the language as much as possible. I honestly don’t think it is written anywhere. I think it is purely passed person to person

[frozen prairie]

It's similar to how the Romans (granted, other cultures did it before them, but they did it the best IMO) deified their rules - or rather, their rulers deified themselves. The Celestial Dragons seem to have been intent on doing that same thing, with the current generation of them so far removed from the circumstances that brought them there, all that remains is a pitiful, hate filled inbred elite.

[halcyon talon]

yeah it makes sense to me too. the very fact that hitetsu covers his face and hasn't stated the reason why he's not allowed to go into town is a subtle hint towards him being sukiyaki

[junior cape]

An interesting theory

[halcyon talon]

i forgot to mention the doll collection too

[junior cape]

But I think that Sukiyaki is just dead. Oden would have had ample time to confirm the body after he returned.

[halcyon talon]

was sukiyaki buried before oden could confirm tho? i genuinely dont know was he or nah?

[junior cape]

That was such a weird one to just drop and leave, will be relevant I'm sure

[queen arrow]

we never saw Sukiyaki be buried

[halcyon talon]

yeah im just making random ass assumptions

[junior cape]

Suki died while Oden went to Raftel, and Orochi became shogun

[queen arrow]

in fact, after the panel that says "this is the last time they talked" we never see the real Sukiyaki again

[halcyon talon]

do you remember which chapter that was

[queen arrow]

around 965

[halcyon talon]

lmao mbmb

[queen arrow]

actually 963

[halcyon talon]

cheers VA

[queen arrow]

this is the last time we see the real sukiyaki

[halcyon talon]

hmmmm

[queen arrow]

in chapter 965 we see this, but we know this is Higurashi in disguise

[junior cape]

No I meant by Oda. The kokeshi dolls must be relevant somehow since he just name dropped them and left them.

[halcyon talon]

ohhhhhh ok i gotcha now haha

[halcyon talon]

oh yeah i remember now

[queen arrow]

we hear that the news of his death swept through wano, but we also know that his disease never happened

and then the next time we hear of it is this, when Oden returns, and only hears about his fathers death but doesn't seem to actually check on his body which at this point no one would check probably

[halcyon talon]

just making sure VA,you're pro-hitetsukiyaki right?

[queen arrow]

yes

[halcyon talon]

ahh ok cool. nice pieces of evidence

VA do you remember sukiyaki's age at the time of his "death"? (if it was ever mentioned)

[queen arrow]

we don't know

[halcyon talon]

what about oden i cant remember, like 39? i remember he was around 39 or so at his time of death

[queen arrow]

but at the very least older than Oden, which died at age 39, so would probably be somewhere in his thirties when Sukiyaki "died"

[halcyon talon]

oh right right cause he spent like 4 years with whitebeard then a few years with roger?

[queen arrow]

anyway, Orochi implies that the daimyos have tried to kill him and failed

[halcyon talon]

i actually have a timeline of what oden did i'll check

[queen arrow]

and the 5 years he danced

[halcyon talon]

oh yeahhhhh, okay so lets say oden was 30-32, sukiyaki would be, say, 50-60, so if he is hitetsu, he'd be 70-80

[queen arrow]

Orochi reveals that since the Shogun technically didn't declare Orochi as a proxy, he technically isn't required to pass the title to Oden now that he's heree

[modest skiff]

Forgive me for not reading the whole conversation, but one thing I want to add: Luffy gained extreme poison immunity. sukiyaki could have developed immunity to the poison he was being given, realized someone was poisoning him, and tried to deal with it secretly

[queen arrow]

which is actually the most insane legal loophole exploit in one piece and i have no idea why he needed to explain that, and he doesn't confirm sukiyaki's death

[halcyon talon]

if the shogun didnt declare orochi proxy, then... orochi has nothing to pass down?

[queen arrow]

yeah that's basically what he said

[halcyon talon]

is that what you're saying about the loophole ahh ok yeah gotcha

[queen arrow]

i think what he's trying to say is that he was basically elected Shogun but not declared a proxy by the previous Shogun, which just makes him a full Shogun

[halcyon talon]

ohhh yes i see

[queen arrow]

i think it's to draw a connection to how, if his grandfather succeded in his plan to become Shogun, he'd become Shogun legally even though he did crimes to achieve it

anyway the point is that he doesn't say Sukiyaki died

and has a weird face when asked about it

[halcyon talon]

nice idea. orochi's speechlessness when being questioned by oden about his father dying from illness could imply that he actually has no idea what happened sukiyaki. sukiyaki just disappeared and at the very least, thats what orochi needed

[queen arrow]

One could interpret it as him being scared of telling it to Oden, but this is right after he stablished that Oden couldn't do anything to him

[halcyon talon]

scared of telling oden his father isn't dead you mean right?

[queen arrow]

scared of telling him his father is dead

[sly mulch]

Ancient Kingdom, Joy Boy, Nika, Imu, Gods Valley, Lunarians, Marijioa , celestial dragons, wano, kozuki, fish men island, Arabasta, Shandora. We need to find a connection between all of this to know what happened in the void century

[queen arrow]

I'm playing devil's advocate here

[halcyon talon]

ahh ok yeah i was gonna say

[sly mulch]

Nika and Joy Boy are they same person ?? God’s Valley and Kings Home are they same place ?? Laugh Tale Island and the Ancient Kingdom are they the same place ??

[modest skiff]

It is kind of cheap, but either sukiyaki is alive or Wano's ability to read glyphs died with Oden. I don't think it died with Oden

[halcyon talon]

i dont think laugh tale is the AK, King's race was said to have lived atop the red line, so god valley probably isn't his home

[modest skiff]

If I get a little more confident in that thought, you could argue that sukiyaki realized he had to preserve himself so that the language lived on. I firmly believe that Oden sucked ass at reading glyph. I think one really funny thing we will end up learning is that Oden was not good at reading glyph because he was just not that interested in learning at the time. We will end up learning that Oden got some critical things wrong with reading stuff at Laugh Tale.

I think sukiyaki realized he wouldn't be able to teach his grandson glyph if he died. I think sukiyaki understands the extreme importance of the language because I think he knows about Joyboy and he had specifically chosen not to show Oden the informational glyph(s) on Wano until he felt he was ready. I think there is still a lot for us to learn from Wano

[halcyon talon]

Nika and and joyboy are probably referencing the same entity

[pure raven]

Genius

[halcyon talon]

and... thats why rayleigh said the strawhats might come to a different conclusion upon learning the truth?? this sounds very plausible

[sly mulch]

This is what I found when I type gods valley in google. Does this look familiar to you ??

[modest skiff]

Am I the only one wondering if that place Shiki was hanging out in, waiting 20 years, was god valley?

[halcyon talon]

but god valley is an island, the red line circumnavigates the entire one piece world

[sly mulch]

It could have relocated to the blue sea somehow by the celestial dragons. Or it might just be Oda tricking us with the graphics and make it look it was on the sea but It wasn’t.

[halcyon talon]

what if god valley is the emerald city that bellamy said didn't exist

[sly mulch]

They may have used the national treasure of Marijioa to do this

[halcyon talon]

looks similar to the depiction of god valley

and maybe the celestial dragons were there cause they wanted emeralds

[sly mulch]

That’s crazy

[tame tendon]

Is it true kotetsu is a nabemono? bcs I can't found any of it in google

[waxen dust]

#also-manga message

[dusky crest]

hey hey hey

is one piece chap coming tonight

[waxen dust]

this is for theories only

go to #manga

[reef oar]

Maybe god valley is Nikas home. Rocks might have had some way to bring back god valley or use it in some way? Nika = god of sun and Imu might = god of the sea so that would explain why celestial dragons fought alongside Roger to stop Rocks. Rocks might have been able to use god valley in some way to become "king of the world".

If Imu is the god of the sea maybe he had some way to kill Nika, bringing the void century, and 800 years of darkness along with it. Furthermore, maybe the reason why a devil fruit user can't swim, is because Imu made it that way, shaping the world in his image so he stands atop the throne of power at all times.

I think it's no coincidence that Luffys brothers both weilded the flame fruit at different times. And one of Luffys first attacks post timeskip was Red Hawk, where he rears up his fist in the opposite direction, and sends it flying so fast his arm catches fire and hits Hody Jones (a monster of the sea)

Idk bro crazy shit ig

[stray canyon]

Wait what if the man that talked to yamato in the flashback was either zoros father or uncle?

[stray canyon]

cause he had the two sword symbol on his back

[reef oar]

I think Oda explained in an sbs that the shimotsuki clan ended up in east blue from their adventuring

[mellow sapphire]

that was 55 years before the story

So Zoro would not have been born then and wouldn't really have been able to leave Wano to go to the East Blue

I think Ushimaru is actually Zoro's grandpa, not dad

[tough sonnet]

Tenguyama and Shimotsuki Ushimaru, who was the other guy, Greenbull?

[mellow sapphire]

Eh? Why mention Ryokugyu (flexing correct name spelling like a boss)

[tough sonnet]

was a question lol

[modest skiff]

Yeah I think shimotsuki ushimaru sent his family to leave Wano so that they wouldn't die during the fight against Orochi. I think there was a big refugee boat essentially

[mellow sapphire]

Also possible

[true lily]

1024 spoilers channel is closed or what?

[mellow sapphire]

yes

the chapter came out

[modest skiff]

Chapter is out. But this channel is for theories. If you want to ask about chapters, go to #manga or #also-manga

[true lily]

Ok sorry

[deep olive]

yo! new here and I wanted to get opnions on something

[mellow sapphire]

uh depends, is it theoretical?

[deep olive]

related to 1024 little bit of head cannon

too coincidental to not be true to me and someone could have mentioned it already tbh

[modest skiff]

you could also just say what you're thinking rather than a bunch of intro messages lol

[deep olive]

word dont wanna get in trouble or anything

[pure raven]

Zoro dad ? Yes ?

[modest skiff]

This channel is for theories. If you have a legitimately held theory, it is appropriate to post here, so long as it isn't a spoiler. This channel isn't for jokes and stuff, but if you have a theory, it doesn't matter if it is good or not. This is a place for all theories, so long as you actually think it is possible etc

[tawdry oriole]

is this supposed to be the actual shimotsuki crest with a dragon circling the swords since their ancestor Ryuma slew a dragon.

[deep olive]

Does 1024 for confirm greenbull is ushimaru or a samurai at least... based on the conversation with fujitora were he talks about not eating for 3 year

[modest skiff]

Oh that's pretty interesting, but I think they said the last 3 years, right? Not just 3 years in the past at some point?

[mellow sapphire]

Yeah we don't really know enough about Ryokugyu to say anything significant

[deep olive]

ima send some screenshots give me a second

[mellow sapphire]

But then again... Ushi means cow in Japanese...

[supple anchor]

i dont think ushimaru would join the WG. the WG has no influence on wano so he cant do anything to save it

[modest skiff]

The main thing is that there are other reasons someone might not eat for a long time. It could be related to their devil fruit. And I agree with Ruski, it sounds pretty wild for them to join the WG. Inconceivable tbh. Unless it is a double agent kinda thing. But honestly I still think Greenbull doesn't eat because they have a devil fruit that makes them not need to

[hoary glade]

Usopp actually has conquerers, hear me out.

Think about it, he lied about having conquerers in fishman island, but almost every usopp lie turns out to be true in some capacity.
Furthermore, usopp has shown signs of being a conquerer, as he is one of the main reasons for large alliances with people like the skypians, tontattans and giant pirates. Itll be stupid ik, but it wont be extremely impossible imo

[supple anchor]

not every lie that usopp says comes true. hes also said that hes the captain of the SHs multiple times

a lot of em do tho, but i think its less than people realize

[modest skiff]

I'm not convinced of this yet, but I will say I don't think it is 0% chance of being true. I think the Usopp theories aren't technically not dead, just highly unlikely atm

[deep olive]

not sure why i cant send pics lol

[modest skiff]

!pics

[lone hedge]

Get a role (pirate/revo/marine/civilian) in #old-role-info to be able to post pictures!

[hoary glade]

But a vast majority have to some capacity. Very few of his lies actually end up being entirely false. Plus, if any straw hat apart from luffy and zoro get it, i think its more likely to be usopp over sanji

[drowsy marsh]

!pics

[lone hedge]

Get a role (pirate/revo/marine/civilian) in #old-role-info to be able to post pictures!

[deep olive]

true but could be helping fujjitora to reform the wg

!pics

[lone hedge]

Get a role (pirate/revo/marine/civilian) in #old-role-info to be able to post pictures!

[drowsy marsh]

That would mean Ussop would fight P1 and Ulti

Or any 2 of the flying 6

[supple anchor]

Its possible, not saying its impossible for sure. i just find it very unlikely that a samurai from Wano who has never been involved with the WG would be willing to completely abandon his homeland on the small chance that the WG will eventually be reformed 20 years later and come back yknow

[hoary glade]

Zoro and luffy both have conquerors attributes, they want to be the very best in their area. All sanji wants to do is find the all blue and make luffy the pirate king. Although you can say similar things about usopp, he also shows the attributes in his personality, being similar to luffy but more of a, well, pussy.

[modest skiff]

If I let myself put on a tin foil hat, I can imagine a scenario where Zoro's dad and Fuji both join the marines to infiltrate from the inside. It would explain why Fuji had a particular affection/respect for Zoro. Since Fuji is blind, he would sense the fact that Zoro is related to Zoro's dad, perhaps

[supple anchor]

the pussy thing is a big mark against him tho. Conquerors is having the disposition to stand above others but usopp runs away first and fights as a last resort. it would make sense if someone like buggy also had CoC but at this point i dont think there much pointing towards usopp CoC

[waxen dust]

Nah Usopp definitely getting Conquerors haki now especially since he lied. Before it was merely speculation with no basis, now it’s fact LOL

Also Usopp bounty gonna be 500-750 million. Dude taking all the females credit LOL

[deep olive]

heres is what im basing it off

this aswell

[modest skiff]

oh damn

[supple anchor]

im not opposed to the idea that greenbull is from the shimotsuki clan at allllll, i just dont think its ushimaru

[bold gull]

fujitora attire looks very wano-ish..

[deep olive]

word i feel like he is confirmed a samurai after this chapter

[drowsy marsh]

I doubt Ushimaru would flee Wano, but maybe he got hit far

[deep olive]

its way too convenient

They havent confirmed ushimaru to be dead tho right

[modest skiff]

yeah no confirmation

[supple anchor]

not yet

[tawdry oriole]

the reason why i think ryokugyu might not be is cause of the way he talks like a middle age guy

[drowsy marsh]

He has a tomb, but we haven't seen him die.

[deep olive]

also the fact that oda is really hiding these two i feel is another reason

[tawdry oriole]

and having someone at their prime youth might be better for the new change in admiral power system

[deep olive]

just wanted thoguhts not saying its right but i need to get someones opinion lol

[hoary glade]

Usopp does have the disposition tho. He has never left a character to die when he can intervene. That is truly the sign of someone who is brave, and i think further solidifies his conquerers haki role

Although he will run away from a fight, he wont do so if he knows itll cause injury to someone else.

[waxen dust]

Ushimaru has to be dead for sure, he sacrificed himself for Yamato

[deep olive]

i guess we will see in the next few chapters

[hazy ferry]

do we know who the other 2 samurai are or are they new characters?

[supple anchor]

being brave sometimes /= being a conqueror tho. like the CoC users we see all have overpowering will and strength and usopp is a coward at heart who has grown no doubt but hes still a coward at heart. running away from a fight isnt in line with a conquerors mentality in my opinion. like even when luffy runs from a fight its usually after hes tried to fight and he realizes that he cant win, but usopp will start running from the jump

we can agree to disagree tho, im not opposed to usopp getting CoC but i dont think it makes sense narratively

[deep olive]

prob randos lol

or daimyos

wait do you guys think ushimaru is zoro dad?

[modest skiff]

i do yeah

[hazy ferry]

definitely a possibility

[deep olive]

i think he can be

[bold gull]

denjiro and raizo fathers lol

[hoary glade]

I wouldnt say hes a coward at heart. Being cowardly is running away when it really matters. Everyone forgets that usopp is just a normal person put in fights against some of the most powerful abilities. Also, not every single CoC character has an overwhelming will. Take shanks for example, he will not fight until the literal last resort and, whilst this isnt due to cowardice, it contradicts the whole running into fights thing. I believe that, similarly to how he gained observation, he will gain conquerers in an extreme sct of bravery, solidifying his claim as a brave warrior of the sea. However, i dont think he will be able to use it on command ever, or be able to do advanced shit like conquerers clashes

[supple anchor]

i think its a strong chance of ushimary being his dad

[modest skiff]

or uncle or something

[deep olive]

if he is zoro would be like 1 year old in chapter 1024

[split hornet]

Yo do we think the green bull admiral is a samurai too because he didn't eat for so long or is it because of this devil fruit ?

[deep olive]

lol i think samaurai

[hoary glade]

Also, there seems to be a running occurance with conquerers haki being inherited via blood relations. Luffy has garp and dragon, which almost definiltely have conquerers haki. Ace had gol.d roger etc. Usopp is the son of yasopp, who is considered one of shanks' big three, so i wouldnt be suprised if he ended up being a conquerers user, which would make usopp a more likely candidate. We can only wait and see tho

[split hornet]

And apparently ushimaru was a santoryu style user as well, explains all the confusion when they saw zoro

[tawdry oriole]

the way he speaks, hairline looks prime 30s or something and he seems to be the strongest admiral RN....i tried comparing him to ushimaru too 6month back just coz of the bull symbol on the kimono

[deep olive]

i mean a lot can change in 20 years lol

[tawdry oriole]

a younger guy always use old when they talk about elders

[deep olive]

true didnt catch that

[supple anchor]

i think usopp is a coward at heart because his ultimate goal is to be a brave warrior of the seas. thats the goal that he set out with on this journey, but for luffy/zoro/kidd/ace/roger/BM and most other CoC users the second that they stepped onto a ship they were already brave warriors of the Sea. Shanks is more of a pacifist for sure but he had no problem staring down the WG right after he faced down kaido and having the other side back down cause they know just how strong he is. I also dont think Usopp needs CoC to accomplish his goal as a brave warrior of the sea, he just needs to be brave and as a regular person in a world of monsters that arguably more impressive than just being born with CoC

[deep olive]

but didnt kaidou called Wb old and he is 59 💀 💀 💀

[tawdry oriole]

they are years apart

like 13or something

[deep olive]

wb is said to be 72

[drowsy marsh]

15 years apart

[sage sorrel]

My theory is big mom and kaido after some point will get serious and 1 shot straw hats and head to marineford

[tawdry oriole]

ushimaru already look old in this chapter and add another 20yr to that he might look like garp or something

[sage sorrel]

I mean there's no way straw hat win this luffy barely beat a commander now he's fighting 2 yonkos

[deep olive]

how old do you think he is in this chapter?

[sly bane]

is ushimaru related to zoro?

[tawdry oriole]

40s or more

oden was 39 right so around 50

[bold gull]

I think there's a good chance that zoro will get shusui back before leaving wano. ik enma is cool but with momo growing up he may need it. also ryuma himself was the one who entrusted shusui to zoro. Combined with the fact that zoro may be somehow related to the shimotsuki clan, i think zoro getting it back may not be so unrealistic

[tawdry oriole]

since he was like a friend to his father right?

[deep olive]

im not sure

[tawdry oriole]

im guessing since he was a daimyo

[deep olive]

im not sold on ushimaru being greenbull but i thin green bull has wano relations somehow

[tawdry oriole]

when i heard his intro i was like which beauty was famous around 3yr ago

[drowsy marsh]

I wonder where we will go next chapter.

[deep olive]

I saw someone say they think itll be something big then a break the week after

[lean pine]

Why

[tawdry oriole]

maybe momo arrive and surprise evryone and possibly some news about the cps

[deep olive]

why what ?

[lean pine]

We know nothing of greenbull why assume hes got any connections

[drowsy marsh]

A Goroawase for 1026 is real ability and for 1027 is magic trick.

[deep olive]

@lean pine read above and below this

[lean pine]

Ah

[deep olive]

yea it feels too coincidental to me thats why i mentioned it

[lean pine]

The manga looks like 2 swords

[tawdry oriole]

what do u think about this

[deep olive]

i have not thought on that shit loks like scribbles to me lol

[valid willow]

I'd be cool with that but shusui was given back to ryuma's grave as per tradition so it'd be a bit hard to take it back, they'd have to see zoro as their savior or something by the end of this arc for them to return shusui to him. and also momo already has oden's other sword

[lean pine]

Wait greenbull doesnt eat, neither does the samurai

[deep olive]

prob is tho

[drowsy marsh]

Haha am I the only one who thinks Yamato might die?

[deep olive]

bingo

[valid willow]

greenbull hasn't eaten in years so people theorize it's some plant fruit

but it'd be pretty cool if he was a samurai from wano

[sour frost]

enma>Shusui

[deep olive]

i feel like this more realistic like there was never any mention of his df

[lean pine]

Thats cool plus green name

[deep olive]

thats just me tho

[lean pine]

So plant

[hoary glade]

Depends on your definition of "being brave". He isnt fearless but he is able to face his fears when he needs to. I personally believe that makes him brave

[pure raven]

Usoop the beast hunter next wanted poster

[deep olive]

i like this lol

[tawdry oriole]

even if the dragon existed in the crest they might have removed it to get no attention since shimotsuki village was peaceful

[deep olive]

mans gotta be related to denjiro LMFAOOo

[supple anchor]

yeah for sure. im not opposed to usopp getting CoC but i just dont see it narratively rn, that is subject to change and the personification of brave warrior of the sea is also up to interpretation

[cyan berry]

imagine if all these characters are just completely unrelated to one another and people start going "hurr durr every character has the same face" but with male characters now

[deep olive]

very possible lol

[compact stag]

The third guy was probably related to Raizo somehow

[ancient vault]

Fugetsu and Uzuki

[compact stag]

Ah yeah

the former heads

[pure raven]

What happened to the samurai who escaped from kaido will they take part in ongoing war which is about to end

blackbeard = octopus
who agrees?

[hoary glade]

Ye i get that

[waxen light]

rayleigh is just old zoro

[proven lion]

Rayleigh is far more bad ass

[trim flicker]

Why is it that every time kaido speaks he creates more questions. Man is intentionally vague so that you know theres more to it than a simple answer

[storm laurel]

Am I the only one who thought that might be Zoros dad

[cyan berry]

no

[waxen bronze]

♥️😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[light onyx]

Zoros dad probably abandoned zoro to go somewhere but probably got lost