manga-theories

[proven lion]

I have a feeling that if carrot isnt joining then he might become a straw hat himself... but that might actually be a more vivi like situation

[stiff patrol]

Why would momo join. His entire plotline is becoming like his father and taking his role as the shogun of wano

[proven lion]

Idk if he wrote about it other then what happened.. I think the flashback was the journal itself.

[stiff patrol]

Momo joining would be a bad plotline

[low vale]

Yeh

[proven lion]

And idk but his father did go out to sea that was part of what made his father the man he was lol he didnt want to always be tied down to wano

[zinc mauve]

Also, there’s a possibility momo might actually want to sail with luffy, having read the journal himself.

There’s a theory that momo is uranus. If shirahoshi can command the sea kings, and momo can already command zunesha, maybe he has control over beasts above water

And next arc (elbaf supposedly), there might be the appearance of a giant bird (Roc), which hatched from the egg on rogers ship. He might be able to command that too (once again reachium 😅)

[stiff patrol]

Yes. But legit momos whole resolve and his speech when he was tied to a cross. Was that he would not stop until he became the shogun. He is destined for it

[glad rain]

Ofc it could happen, i just don't see why that would be necessary for the story to grow. Unless i've missed a chapter about Yamato i don't see what's the hype about.

[glad rain]

still standing by my statement though 😄

[stiff patrol]

But there is no chance of momo joining the straw hats. His whole purpose will be to restore wano and make it a proper nation again

[proven lion]

Well that's true but so was oden.. agyer he came back from his travels he was going to become the shogun until he realized shit this fuck boi my dad was helping is now shogun somehow.

[stiff patrol]

He literally had a whole emotional speech when he was about to die. There is no going back

[proven lion]

Idk ur right but just the fact his dad did what he did might entice him to follow luffy to the end of it... but idk like I said it's probably more likely that he pulls a vivi

[glad rain]

Momo’s path is similar to Vivi’s. They are both the future of their countries, it’s a bit selfish to abandon their people in times they are most needed.

Oden did it once and when he came back it was too late to avoid what followed.

[proven lion]

The only difference is hiyori is in the mix

[glad rain]

You see the people of Wano longing for Momo though, he is widely accepted as the true heir and bringer of peace

Hiyori could be the next best thing if she showed interest in taking the leadership

[proven lion]

I mean your right though but what if he asked his sister to look after wano while he sails with straw hats... I think ultimately that might be her purpose.

And when he returned he would re take the throne

[full bone]

As it was stated in CP0 comment on momo's devil fruit was a failure, lefts joint the links, first vaga punk was trying to create dragons and he know about lineage duplicating process just like judge uses to create his army, so he made two dragons but wasn't able to create his ultimate dragon because it failed because he was trying to put that dragon lineage into devil fruit. As we saw once a zone type of devil fruit was formed in punk hazard, as the the poisonous jelly monster was created by compressing the gas released by Ceaser experiment but when Ceaser wanted to change it's components by giving his other chemicals the monster was transferred into the nearest fruit and it is the new zone type devil fruit, so as we were talking about momo's devil fruit was failure because the dragon in the vagapunk's devil fruit was only a baby and it turned out to be a failure however with the help of shinobu momo as well as the devil fruit matured and the ultimate dragon is now in action. So vagapunk may come to meet momo soon or CP0 may kidnap momo in the end and run away and take him to vagapunk. What do you think?

[glad rain]

Wouldn’t that be the same story as his dad all over again though?

[proven lion]

Exactly....

Who's he trying to be like?

[glad rain]

You want repetition, oh okay

[proven lion]

Not necessarily repetition lol just a parallel to his dad

[full bone]

What do you think of this theory guys??

[glad rain]

The fact that his dad put his ambitions on top of his people lead to all those dreadful events that take place still. Maybe it would be wiser if a second chance is given for keeping Wano to stay peaceful in history if Momo actually stayed back to serve as shogun

[proven lion]

Sounds like a stretch lol momo is now most likely an adult and unlikely to be kidnapped

[proven lion]

Yeah I suppose your right lol just trying to give hiyori a purpose lmao

Its alot like vivis situation like u said except its 2 siblings and one wants to live life like their father so it just made and still kinda does sense to me but you are right the ultimate downfall of wano was oden leaving.

[full bone]

Another theory related to sanji-My theory is that the raid suit is a weapon has its own mind like swords and linked to use by some DNA, as the 2nd time sanji's blood fell on the suit and it was glowing and maybe the raid suit is adopting and wanting to become one with sanji. Next time when sanji wears the suit it will listen to sanji, like he was use his observation haki with technology like his glasses support him to calculate things and make strategy to do things, he may also able to change suit's design and color on will and also the suit adopt sanji fighting style and make him use fire attacks and also accelerate the kicks. It will be osm power up for sanji, he will never lose a fight again.

[proven lion]

Osm

I like it I just think as is the raid suit is a pretty massive power up. His fight with queen will be one to remember I'll add.

[glad rain]

Like that magic agent suit Jackie Chan was wearing in that action movie? 😄

[proven lion]

Power ranger sanji

I honestly dont think he will need the raid suit eventually

[full bone]

Yes he will need it but I don't like the design it has to be changed, as you said it looks like power ranger not like a pirate

[proven lion]

Once sanji figures out the armament haki a little more it will be of no use I think

[glad rain]

http://prntscr.com/1qsosit

[proven lion]

Sanji chan

[full bone]

As oda mentioned sanji is the best in observation haki, we may see some iron man technology mixed with sanji's observation haki his glasses will show him strategies

[proven lion]

He is not the best at observation lmao that is such a stretch considering luffy was able to see into the future as much as katakuri twords the end of their fight

[full bone]

And his fire kicks will be accelerate in the suite as well

[pure raven]

I don't think the fruit was a failure because the dragon was small at the beginning. As we have seen, the appearance of the dragon also changed after Momo became bigger. So it was probably because the user was also small.
I rather think the fruit was a failure because it is not a real Devil fruit. It looks like a smile fruit. I think the problem was that the power of the fruit, after the death of the user, would not pass to any other fruit and that would be a failure

[full bone]

Yo oda mentioned in his SBS, luffy in conqueror haki, zoro in armament haki and sanji in observation haki.

[proven lion]

That doesnt mean it is better then luffys

[thick sky]

Do you have the image of it? Oda saying that Sanji was most proficient in observation amongs the three?

[proven lion]

Seems like a bigger stretch then a gum gum pistol

[pure raven]

What do you mean? Oda really said smth like that in the Sbs

[proven lion]

Show me

[full bone]

Naa I don't think so, it is a artificial devil fruit, made by using lineage of the original fish fish fruit and vagapunk made two dragons with flesh and fire just like judge army. However he wasn't able to grew the dragon to a mature form inside the devil fruit so that is the main reason it was called a failure, and remember chopper was younger the momo when he ate his devil fruit but he was not small like momo.

[thick sky]

I mean I read them and I don't remember so I am asking if you have snippet of it or smth

[proven lion]

[thick sky]

This was before Luffy learned advanced observation haki, Right?

[full bone]

Yes that's it

I don't have a option to send images

[proven lion]

That does not mean that it is better then luffys nowhere does it say that... plus luffys armament is still also arguably better then zoros

[thick sky]

!embed

[proven lion]

Luffy is the best at all 3

#old-role-info

[thick sky]

Saf, take a role from the roleinfo channel, then you can post images

[full bone]

Still zoro and sanji has room for development,

[proven lion]

Luffy has advanced everything at this point

[weary cliff]

Yes, Luffy is definitely better than his crew right now at haki

[pure raven]

Oh ye, that for sure. At the moment, of course, Luffy has the best control of all Haki species

[proven lion]

In every way

[thick sky]

Sanji has higher range due to his women in danger sensing

[proven lion]

Lmfaoo

Sanji was confirmed to be a switch lmao that boi a closet gay

[full bone]

Sanji was basically trained his observation very well because he was being chased by queens for two years lol, if he let his guard down he will be turned in a queen, so he trained his observation haki very well but he still has room for development I think.

[proven lion]

Well that wasn't the argument at hand lol u guys were saying that sanji had the best colors of observation

[proven lion]

He became a switch during that.. lol but yeah either way he is not surpassing luffy, luffy is at an advanced level like katakuri meaning he can see pretty far into the future

[full bone]

Yes I think so too

[proven lion]

What that he is not surpassing luffy?

[full bone]

Luffy is good in everything but specially will best in conqueror's haki and zoro in armament and sanji in observation. I totally believe that.

[proven lion]

Just like zoro also isnt going to surpass luffy in colors armament, because luffy has figured out advanced armament?

Just because those are their specialties doesnt mean they will surpass someone who has figured out the advanced versions of all 3 while they're still stuck on the base.. just saying luffy is on another level right now like he is actually yonko level.

[full bone]

Why can't other people be better then luffy, luffy found these people because he was not good in everything and when they are at their Pinnacle they will be better then luffy in their things as oda stated

[proven lion]

Well do you think rayleigh or gaban ever surpassed roger in anything at all as far as haki? Lmao more then likely not there is a reason he is the captain. I know where you are coming from but that is not why luffy brought them on board he brought them on board for them to accomplish their dreams with him.

[full bone]

But I have a open mind because oda stated they are good in this respective catagory of haki, so I think there is possibility for now luffy is better I think

[weary cliff]

To be fair to saf's point, Luffy has future sight and is good at sensing emotions, but observation is such a broad category that there could be parts of it where Sanji is better

[proven lion]

Cant think of any tbh

Other then maybe sensing a threat

[weary cliff]

Right. Maybe he does have the range advantage, too. Although I think that's Usopp's specialty

[proven lion]

Usopp definetly has a great observation range

[full bone]

Usopp just unlocked his haki unknowingly

[proven lion]

But there is a chapter that I can think of that can add to your point.. I think it was 998 he sensed the dragon before anyone else which idk could've been a 1 time thing but that doesnt mean he is inherently better at every branch of observation

[full bone]

He has a long way to go and according to your logic, sanji has better observation haki then usopp right now.

[tacit vapor]

good enough to see 2 years in the future

[glad rain]

it was a do or die situation back in dressrosa

[proven lion]

Well of course

[pure raven]

Nah. saf said „ Yo oda mentioned in his SBS, luffy in conqueror haki, zoro in armament haki and sanji in observation haki“

And you said sounds like a stretch.

I never said Sanjis Haki is or will be stronger than luffys

[full bone]

As oda also mentioned about coby, that he can hear voice from very distance and also know other power lever.

[proven lion]

Huh

[tender garden]

tama is actually final villain

and is controlling everyone behind the scenes. (including world gov and blackbeard)

(rayleigh and luffy's crew included + the grand fleet)

[full bone]

Damn you theory bro

[tender garden]

only one out of control is luffy hence he will awaken his comu comu no mi and blast off the surface of the earth into nothingness and then go gear 10 fighting alien pirates

[proven lion]

So essentially just observation haki "mantara" or whatever

That didnt need to be stated we saw it in marineford

[glad rain]

many extreme advanced haki examples had to do with extreme situations also, don't forget that. Untamed abilities for the amateurs.

[full bone]

For now luffy is better in every way but there is possibility in future so I believe that nothing to argue for now.

[tender garden]

we also saw kobys god observation at the start of reverie

[proven lion]

Which is why they arent likely to surpass luffy cus most of it is do or die and unless we get a time skip again I dont see them surpassing luffy

I believe koby is constantly training so that's another story

[glad rain]

koby is in a constant time skip 😄

[proven lion]

Yeah lmao

Everytime we see that man he aged a few years

[full bone]

Why not, Emma is forcing zoro to increase his armament haki he will develop osm haki and sanji has his raid suit, we don't know what will happen

[proven lion]

Zoro its higher likelyhood but idk about sanji just yet let this fight play out and I'll have a better idea of where hes actually at cus we havent seen sanji fight in I dont even know how fucking long now

I'm not counting him out ima give him the benefit of the doubt for now

[glad rain]

both are character upgrades, that's for sure

[low vale]

What do yall think about the zoro reveal?
I hope it’s more in line with Luffy and Roger in that they just resemble each other rather than zoro actually being a descendant from Wano

[proven lion]

Zoro definetly probably is a descendant of wano if you consider koushiro is from wano and we dont really know how zoro even got to that dojo

[glad rain]

i think everything is hinting that Zoro has a connection to Wano, being directly from there or a descendant of a Wano person.

that's were i'm going at

[full bone]

Luffy was unable to damage cracker without nami's help but imagine zoro fighting cracker, he would cut every single one of them

[glad rain]

But so far we've seen Zoro being completely uninterested about the past except his thoughts on Kuina which were directly connected to him

[proven lion]

I still think one of zoros coldest scenes was when he didnt cut the leaf but cut the rock when he was fighting mr1... one of the coldest moments in all of one piece

[glad rain]

imma go with the "Nothing happened" moment. 😄

[proven lion]

Ahh shit you right that shit was stone cold

[proven lion]

Yeah but kuinas also from wano which ultimately makes things interesting

[glad rain]

yup 🙂

[proven lion]

I think hes going to learn something about her and himself there

[full bone]

I think after this fight sanji will beat big mom's first commender, if he fully accept raid suit

Every strawhats are my favorite

[proven lion]

Stretch that's like saying he could beat luffy.. cus let's be real luffy barely won that the only reason he did was cus of op ass snake man

[full bone]

I specially like luffy zoro sanji and nami the most

[craggy pumice]

Luffy is already stronger than that

[glad rain]

what would be way crazier as a theory is if Zoro was sent to the future from 800 years ago to the year when Wano settlers left for east blue.

[craggy pumice]

If Sanji beats Queen then yeah he also has a shot on Katakuri

[proven lion]

Well yes of course luffy got stronger but I still dont think hes base forming no top 3 Charlotte commander

At best sanji is current 2nd gear luffy level imo

[craggy pumice]

what does base forming mean

[proven lion]

Like no gear

[craggy pumice]

well of course

[weary cliff]

That would make Zoro at least in his 50's

[craggy pumice]

but Sanji with Raid Suit is probably as strong as Gear 3 Luffy

or stronger

[proven lion]

Interesting take idk yet tho I'm hyped for this queen fight to say the least

[proven lion]

I mean your going off of where toki landed in her time travel right? Dont think that's the case personally.

[full bone]

Yes for sure because queen extremely tough with his zone devil fruit and his tech light speed lasers but sanji is dodging most of them and sanji already dodge katakuri

[low vale]

Zoro got lost the moment he exited his moms womb and ended up an orphan at the dojo easy theory there you go

[craggy pumice]

yeah saf

[proven lion]

Is moose knuckle just Canadian for camel toe

[fast scaffold]

What do u guys think bout momo and luffy fights after this?

[low vale]

Hehhehe

[weary cliff]

Nah, going off the fact that the expidition that established Shimotsuki village left Wano 55 years ago

[proven lion]

Fair enough

[glad rain]

That’s why I edited the “first Wano settlers “ part 😂

[low vale]

Tbh if the whole crew was at Whole Cake I could see it going so much better than the running scrambles they had
Probably unjustified but I have faith in the whole crew tgther power rather than not

[proven lion]

I agree

Zoro vs cracker wouldve been interesting like saf said

[low vale]

yeap
But I am happy it is what it is

And I actually feel like sanji vs katakuri would have been a very close fight too

[proven lion]

I still think whole cake is criminally under rated as a whole we got 2 banger fights and alot of good info

[low vale]

Sanji can easily speed blitz Oven lmao that scene was hilarious

[proven lion]

Lol idk about what u just said considering he has no armament and luffy almost died

[low vale]

I feel like heat would have been a good matchup against mochi is all

[craggy pumice]

Sanji has armament lol

[low vale]

Like how jinbei washed kuri away but it never came up again....

[proven lion]

Not close to luffy level tho lmao I spoke out incorrectly he does but its low tear

[low vale]

I genuinely like Whole Cake much more than the current arc because
To me Big Mom and her crew is way more entertaining than this animal theme
Whole cake was scary and Big Moms backstory was really good

To me Wano suffers because it feels more like Oden’s story rather than a true Emperors stronghold if you know what I mean

[proven lion]

I get what you mean it also kinda bothers me we arent getting much info on kaido and hes the main villain

[low vale]

Like I got hate for this in the main chat lol but Kaido is...boring compared to the sheer one pieceness of Big Mom

The twist was that his fruit is magikarp and that’s it

He didn’t really Earn Wano, not like how Big Mom utterly permeates Whole Cake to its core

[proven lion]

No ur right imo lmao but I think it's just cus theres a void there... we really dont know shit about kaidos past other then he was a rocks pirate

[low vale]

Yeah I guess it’s unfair for me to judge now but so far Big Mom is my fav ngl

Like the only fun thing about Kaidos crew is how ratchet the Smiles are and how swag Queen is

[proven lion]

Based off everything we've seen ima just come out and say it.. shanks is the strongest yonko

[low vale]

Like yeah Kaido isn’t “fun” I guess I mean

[low vale]

By elimination and Reverie he’s the one we know nothing about

[proven lion]

Yeah idk I cant judge wano when its not done yet

[low vale]

His crew feels most like Luffy’s rn

Not a lot of soft targets
Also wasn’t there a theory that he’s guarding One Piece because of the name of his sword

[proven lion]

Yeah idk just something about his presence and the way people especially kaido talked about him makes me think he is the most powerful yanko

[visual merlin]

I can't imagine that's "based on everything we've seen" considering we've not really seen anything from shanks, while we have from kaido and kaido is also called the strongest

[full bone]

Does anyone know who else has the observation haki before anyone know

It's chopper brain point

[low vale]

Nah I just think that we’re suffering from scaling up syndrome the crew is shown to be on par w the top tiers now

[proven lion]

I mean based off of what we currently know lol we know next to nothing yes but based off what we do know even kaido fears him

[low vale]

It’s either Enel or Conis lmaooo Conis best girl

[visual merlin]

Kaido never implied in any way that he fears shanks

he just sees shanks as someone strong enough to face him 1v1

[low vale]

Kaidos just mad that Luffy got cocting figured out in one fight

[visual merlin]

so shanks is probably close to kaido in strength, but we knew that and that goes for the other emperors too

[low vale]

He’s like this is bullshit cmon

[proven lion]

But he didnt mention big mom for example lol..

[drowsy marsh]

Y'all saw the new Rude Ronny video?

[visual merlin]

Yea, but we still know she is close to him

but that's beside the point, point is he didn't imply he's scared of shanks

just that shanks is strong enough to face him 1v1

[drowsy marsh]

He thinks Hiyori could show up in 1024.

[full bone]

1024 will be about sanji I think because 1023 title was for zoro because kawamatu mentioned it to zoro

[proven lion]

Your right lol but tbh that still doesnt mean he isnt stronger then kaido either

[drowsy marsh]

Plus he brings up an interesting point. The Momotaro story where a boy travels to Onigashima with a dog, monkey and pheasant to defeat the onis.

[full bone]

And 1025 luffy will reach kaido

[low vale]

As a flashback or her in the flesh

[visual merlin]

right, he could still be stronger

but "from everything we've seen" Kaido seems to be the strongest

[drowsy marsh]

Many have theorized that Luffy is the monkey, Yamato the dog and Marco the pheasant. But he says that Hiyori is the pheasant.

[proven lion]

There little skuffle before marineford was telling considering kaido most likely wanted to crash the party and shanks stopped it

[cerulean coyote]

1 vs 1 = kaido always wins

It was on kaido's introduction

[full bone]

I don't think momotaro theory is going to happen because oda used it for Tama, she has the kibi dango and a dog and monkey

[drowsy marsh]

Pheasant is known as a beautiful animal, but she is also often seen with Pheasants in her clothes

[proven lion]

That's a peacock

[pure raven]

a male peacock

[versed copper]

1024 could be about sanji, all the numbers are of his siblings (numbers) minus the 3 ofc

the last chap was about zoro, this one goes for sanji

[proven lion]

I want to see a lil more on momo timeskip at the moment

[low vale]

I hope he’s not just a plane to get back to onigashima lol

[proven lion]

Really want him to wield ame no habakiri

[earnest atlas]

could momo have conq haki?

[normal imp]

If Oden had, so he has it too, but he didn´t mastered it

[weary cliff]

It's not necessary he has it just because of his father. That said, it could make it more likely that he does. The science isn't in yet on CoC genetics

[cold root]

Do you have the link?

[drowsy marsh]

Whoops. Yeah of course it is peafowl. A beautiful peasant turned into a peacock, but I don't remember in which Mythology this was.

[drowsy marsh]

https://youtu.be/-u0_x8uxj6A

[runic osprey]

Its more like if he has the same qualities of a king just like his father then he definitely will awaken it

[weary cliff]

Right. So in so far as certain personality traits can be inherited, that could influence CoC. That makes sense. It's definitely not 100% or the Charlottes would be ridiculous

[runic osprey]

Yea agreed

[proud tree]

One of Doflamingos distant ancestor s probably had conquerors too...

[runic osprey]

Speaking of that you guys think dolflamingo will escape in the next arc?

[proud tree]

He could know about Imu ... His secret knowledge about CS could lead to the downfall of them.

[runic osprey]

I think blackbeard will help him escape and dolflamingo will end up joining him

[proud tree]

Doflamingos character traits where probably inherited from the previous King of Dress Rosa who enslaved the tontatta in the void Century

And his Conquerors was inherited too

[runic osprey]

I think he inherited his character traits which caused him to awaken his conquerors haki

[proud tree]

Bb has a massive disadvantage not having Robin in his crew ... Someone like Dolf would surely give him the key to Meri Joa

And the secrets of the WG

[runic osprey]

Exactly if he wants to reach laugh tale he will need someone with lots of knowledge about the history and dolflamingo is the only one i could off think that would help him with that

[proud tree]

But Bb already raided impel down once ... Invading a second time would be very bad for the prisons reputation

[runic osprey]

And he is also very strong, its also not the first time blackbeard went to impel down to recruit crew members so this might happen

[runic osprey]

Well blackbeard is way stronger than he used to be i think once the marines get their hand full with the revolutionary army he will take the chance to free him

[proud tree]

It would be funny if Monkey D Dragon/ Revos freed Doflamingo to work with him to destroy the CS

[runic osprey]

I dont think he will join him. Dragon and dolflamingo’s motive are very different yea they both want the WG to fall but their end ideas are different

He will prefer blackbeards crew more its suits him better

[calm tree]

I personally don't think Blackbeard would want a troublesome awakened DF anywhere close to him

[reef sequoia]

I think Doffy is out of the picture for the long run, the only thing that still makes him relevant is the secret treasure of the Celestials

His usefulness to about anyone else kinda dissapeared

And Blackbeard doesn't seem practical enough to engage in a big business scheme

[calm tree]

Correct me if I'm wrong doffy's father chose to move out of Mariejios

[reef sequoia]

yes

[pine delta]

if an emperor invaded impel down couldn't they just flood the prison and kill everyone

[reef sequoia]

I don't think it will be that easy anymore

They must have fortified security since Luffy's invasion

[calm tree]

Yeah technically but then u are the "just fuck em up" priority

[jagged lodge]

who is "They"...the emperors or the marines?

[calm tree]

Marines

Impel is a WG facility, who else do u expect

[jagged lodge]

but what about all their own staff?

[reef sequoia]

I think Magellan is pretty dangerous no matter who he faces, and don't forget of the demon guards, they are awakened Zoans

[calm tree]

Yeah true

I don't think any emperor is going to impel

[reef sequoia]

Blackbeard for sure doesn't have a good reason for invading anymore, Big Mom and Kaido presumably will fall down soon and Shanks for sure doesn't want any of that business

[calm tree]

This might have been said before but what if shanks is the defacto King of the pirates

I can't find no other reason for him to have an authoritative presence

[reef sequoia]

King of the Pirates doesn't make any sense in terms of plot since it's not confirmed he is in possesion of any of the Red Poneglyphs

And he doesn't know Laugh Tale's location

[ancient vault]

But we also dont know whether he knows of some other way

[calm tree]

Possession or not he was an island off from laugh tale

And buggy as well

[reef sequoia]

Yes but he most likely doesn't know how to navigate to Laugh Tale since he would need the information from those Poneglyphs

[calm tree]

And probably the WG doesn't have any knowledge of him not being on laugh tale

And assumes otherwise

[tawdry bramble]

Why would we assume a crew member of Rogers who was told about the One Piece wouldn’t know where it is or how to get there?

[deep crypt]

Joyboy made a promise to fishman Island 900 years ago, but the Kozuki didnt invent the poneglyphs until 800 years ago, how did Joyboy end up writing on the Poneglyphs?

[reef sequoia]

Because Shanks would have achieved it by now if that was the case

[tawdry bramble]

We don’t even know that Shanks wants to be PK. He seems to think Luffy is the right man for the job.

[reef sequoia]

That makes sense, but the idea that Shanks knows about One Piece seems like a stretch

[weary cliff]

It's entirely plausible he does know

Shanks appears to be gatekeeping Laugh Tale. Makes sense if he knew more than most

[restive kestrel]

So

Momo made me realise, dragons have big ears.

Like i thought they had snake like ears, yet kaido and momo have huge ears behing their horns and i failed to notice it untill just now

[pure raven]

Yo have you guys ever heard of the theory that the future stawhats will be time travel back to the different time in the past somehow and Luffy end up being Joyboy, Ussop= Nolan , Zoro= Ryuma, Franky=Vegapunk .

[rotund pond]

I like it but who do the rest of the SH be ?

[pine delta]

fuck that noise

[pure raven]

I mean, it's not really make sense but pretty mind blowing if it was true

[pine delta]

i would be furious

[pure raven]

Vegapunk is future franky is believable to me

[rotund pond]

I think if it could somehow be linked that they all descended from those people rather than they are them

Or something or the other

[pure raven]

Jeez Oda is a god if he can link all those stuffs to the manga which run 20+ years

[junior shoal]

would be trash tbh, the idea of inheritance of dreams and will suits more to world of one piece.

[pure raven]

Knowing Oda If he plan to make it happen, it will be a good set up

and tons of foreshadowing

[junior shoal]

it ain't a good step imo

[junior shoal]

like?

so you mean zoro fought decayed body of himself in brook's soul in thriller bark? kinda lame

[weary cliff]

I don't understand how Luffy will succeed as Joyboy in the present just to go to the past and fail. Bad theory

[upbeat vector]

Yeah I think that whole “past ancestry” shit is oversaturated killled naruto for me

[clear igloo]

whitebeard is actually god usopp

[amber oar]

this channel is not for those lame jokes. Shush

[runic osprey]

The guy tried to recruit ace he 100% would want him in his crew and besides arent all his crewmembers troublesome. Blackbeard wont mind a cruel strong crew member that knows a lot of secrets and he is smart af

[tardy bolt]

each arc in the yonko saga serves the purpose of strengthening the various forms of haki. Big mom was observation. Wano is armament. And guess what shanks is most notorious for...... Conquerors haki. I have a theory that after shanks' arc the strawhats will enter one last island before reaching laughtale. After they discover the secrets of the world they will return to the red line and wage their final war with the governmenet. At which we could see the world government's hidden information being exposed by someone who sneaks in during the battle. I think it will be caribou

[zinc iris]

BB has an interesting thing that he sees DFs as a quick way to power
he's not too stupid about it so he actually bothers to use those powers to their best extent and doesn't coast on penetrable invulnerabilities, but still thinks getting as powerful df is the path to power

[ancient vault]

Im gonna fully elaborate on this another time but just wanted to post a small summary here

Look

Land of God = nation of multiple races that were considered godly

Existed before war vs WG (800 years ago)

Imu sama at the wish (?) of the CDs got rid of that so called Nation of Gods because he and/or the CDs considered themselves the only gods

He defeated them and kicked them off/transported them to the blue sea where they were imprisoned and enslaved for centuries

CD's went there regularly to torture those maybe a contest or compitation of some sort? (probably some sort of ritual/festivals)

Xebec wanted the power of those "Godly races" as well as he wanted to kill the CDs on that island and also Imu if they was there. Or just bait/lure them out

Not only Lunarians but Dragons and other races who can be considered godly

[pine delta]

elbaf that island is elbaf

[stable cradle]

bruh i wish in the future, zoro has his oen division of badass samurais and he's the one called god of blade. endgame

[pine oxide]

i have a theory that after raftel is reached the crew will go to the legendary sniper island and meet up with sogeking for the first time since enies lobby

[calm tree]

Much smarter than him and BB knows that,.

[waxen dust]

Garuda; This could be King, wings look similar in design

This was in the We Are One video with Hiyori....She’s definitely the person in Wano and will help in the Kaido fight.
@modest skiff @ancient vault

[ancient vault]

thats also on her nromal clothing tho

[modest skiff]

Wait what is this video you're referring to? I don't understand

[ancient vault]

Opening I think

[waxen dust]

yeah that’s true, but I think that the close shot was intentional like “hello here’s the clue, Pheasant”
Also Marco said he’s finished and Hiyori is the only one that logically makes sense for the silhouette, so I definitely think Toei is teasing us here

[ancient vault]

oh yeah I agree just saying this wasnt a toei spoiler or sth

[waxen dust]

We Are One video
Yamato anime debut here too
starts at 4:44

https://youtu.be/trGP0Bqknmg

[ancient vault]

if she does have a phesant fruit tho I wonder why she didnt use it against killer

[modest skiff]

I forgot if we know if Marco has extremely fast self heal or not

[waxen dust]

I don’t think she’s a high level fighter, most likely a support fighter. I mean I don’t think I can see her taking a swing at Kaido lmao

[waxen dust]

Marco said he was out of gas

[ancient vault]

me neither

[waxen dust]

This was a good theory someone shared with me
@modest skiff @ancient vault
Related to Sanji/Judge & Lunarians

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/pdttfc/ch_1023_theory_the_mystery_surrounding_the/

[modest skiff]

Yeah I know he said he was out of gas but he's such a cheeky little shit that I don't even know what that means. He might be like "ok got more gas XD" soon after

ooo I'll make sure to read that a bit later. I've gotta check on work stuff this morning but should be able to in a few hours

[pure raven]

can u briefly brief me of the brief research u have on bai ze

[modest skiff]

I can in a few hours, I’ll tag you. Or brotherE can do a better job than I would

[runic osprey]

And you think he wont recruit cause of that?

[calm tree]

Doffy be too cunning

[runic osprey]

Nah like wtf is he gonna do once he is out kaido will be defeated blackbeard will be his best choice then and BB can use him to take down the world government

They will agree on terms and team up just like how he did with kaido

[crude abyss]

I had this theory a couple of weeks ago, hiyori might be the pheasant if marco is out

[waxen dust]

Yeah Hiyori getting involved in the battle is more important than Marco. She’s been patiently held captive in Wano all this time, so she has more reasoning to stand up against Kaido than Marco.

[vivid cargo]

I wanna see king spotting hiyori and going to attack her and zoro saves her and gets pissed off or sommet 😂😂

Also momo is going to kill orochi 100% imo

[crude abyss]

I have 2? ideas of hiyori's later role in the fight, 1 is that she has oden's other sword and somehow hands it off to momo, and the other is that she has a pheasant fruit (which she used to heal the scabbards), and goes on the roof for support. I do think it'll be denjiro who meets hiyori first tho

These are crackpot theories tho, I think her having a pheasant healing fruit would be derivative of marco

[vivid cargo]

I wanted her to have tokis fruit tbh or sommet along them lines

[crude abyss]

The one thing I'm confidant of is that if she is on onigashima she's handing momo oden's sword and momo will be the one who slices off orochi's last head

Some people think momo's gonna fly luffy straight to the roof, but its too early (in the fights) for that. Luffy and momo are going to have one last run-up to the roof, and during that time every battle (except maybe law + kidd vs BM, but I think even this), will be finished.

[forest rampart]

Regarding Momotaro folktale, people agree on Luffy is the Monkey, and Yamato is the Dog, but some didnt agree on Macro as the pheasant, and think it would be Hiyori when we never see if she has any df or not. imo it will bring down her value as a character if she does have df (any of it, even the pheasant one), unlike how it is with Shimotsuki Zoro and modified human Sanji with Lunarian's DNA but lets stop here.

Lets revise some things here.
Monkey: from** Monkey D. Luffy
Dog: from Yamato with her ** Inu Inu no Mi Model “Ooguchi no Makami” (Mythical Type)
[eng translation,** Dog Dog**, Model Large-Mouthed Guardian Wolf]
Pheasant: either Marco or Hiyori

Pheasant: from Marco with his Tori Tori no Mi, Model: Phoenix
[eng translation, Bird Bird Model Phoenix]
Pheasant: from Hiyori by the bird design on her cloth only and by the description of pheasant's characteristic in that 4 chinese mythological animals (tiger, dragon, pheasant, snake and turtle).

imo Hiyori still can be a pheasant even if she doesnt have a pheasant df like how it is with Luffy despite that she doesnt have pheasant word in her name. And imo Marco is more suited to go to the rooftop since he's a real fighter unlike Hiyori, since there will be only fighters on the rooftop: Kaido, Yamato, Momo n Luffy (will be there), and a pheasant? So it's logical to assume that the fighter will be Marco, not Hiyori. Also, Yamato is already a fighter even without her df. it's weird for people to think that Hiyori is a fighter when she never shows anything like that to us. You can say that Oda wants to save it for later but cmon, we're at the end game already. Oda is saving a last df user revelation at the end game, and its a zoan?? He'll have to show the readers the three forms of that zoan users: normal form, beast form, and hybrid form. Usually, only the strongest/ main characters get the last revelation of their df power and forms.

But i'm not saying that Yamato is stronger than Kaido though since Kaido's hybrid form got revealed earlier than others: Tobi Roppo, Calamaties, Yamato, and maybe Momo soon.

[fading thorn]

idk what i expected yamato to sound like, but it was definitely not that

[karmic jackal]

What if momo kills kaido

[waxen dust]

I love her voice; I think it’s gonna suit her well.

[waxen dust]

I agree that Hiyori doesn’t need a DF to be the Pheasant, but we need a way for her to play a role if she doesn’t have a healing ability. I honestly think Hiyori’s value as a character wouldn’t deteriorate if she were to have a devil fruit, but I do agree it’s the “easy way” to write her into the final conflict. We’ll have to wait and see

[split glacier]

Zoro's wife.

[waxen dust]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-zoro-sanji-kiss-horrified-gif-4228627

[pine delta]

hiyori doesn't have a smile, and she's literally been built up to be weak

needs zoro to protect her from nobodies but can also fight kaido hmmm

[split glacier]

That's his ex

[waxen dust]

doesn’t necessarily have to fight, but can still be a support unit in the battle. Similarly to when she was healing Zoro’s wounds after facing Killer

[drowsy marsh]

Hiyori doesn't necessary need a devil fruit to be a pheasant.

I think Hiyori will atleast come to the rooftop to give Momo the Ame no Habakiri.

[split glacier]

Is Hiyori even necessary?

[forest rampart]

While i'm at it, and since i dont think i can spend my time to make a proper theory out of this even i planned to do it (but maybe i would if i changed my mind several weeks later..), ima post my idea on why i said that Yamato will travel with SHs even i'm 100% sure that she won't be a SH. So basically she'll be another Carrot in the crew.
Yamato: i came with the idea that she have inu inu no mi model mythical wolf in the past. While the only two wolf models i've ever suggested were reijuu and kirin (but unfortunately kirin wolf does't exist. it came from my idea since kirin can be depicted in different animals form), i did come across with Yamato Takeru and that obscure oguchi no makami in the past but i decided to not make a proper theory out of it since all i care was that she doesnt have a tiger df, yep. And not to mention that i'm not familiar with that oguchi no makami name and didnt make a further research on it but i did believe on the possibility of oda taking that route given how similar was yamato takeru story with yamato and luffy at onigashima, and given that no one was able to guess the name of black maria's df (it is based on ancient spider that not many people know about it). So during my research on mythical wolf in the past, i came across with another mythology on yamato and loki but it's based on japanese mythology, not the norse mythology one. There was someone that suggested fenrir as yamato's df when i suggested the idea that yamato has a mythical wolf df. Since fenrir is based on Norse mythology, and since people said that fenrir is related with Loki or smth like that, i think that the idea behind of why Oda will make her travel with SHs will be based on that. Basically i'm saying that Yamato might interact with Loki in some ways but i dont have any idea on how it'll be.

[pine delta]

how tf can hiyori provide support in a yonko fight

[forest rampart]

And yea, she's not a fenrir and it's possible that there'll a real fenrir in Elbaf, but i think it would be redundant if there's another wolf df, and i dont think that people will like that (idk about Oda tho).
Carrot: I've seen people complaining about why did Carrot come along with SHs when she didnt help much in Onigashima in which at least she did do a bit of help at WCi. i can't say that i really understand it but the way i see it, it has something to do with the theme: sweets for WCi (she likes sweets), and rabbit for Wano (Wano has the Japanese and Moon theme. it's common among Japanese people that the Moon's pattern looks like a rabbit beating a mochi/ rice cake). Given how Japanese people relate Moon with rabbit there, a thought that occurs to me is perhaps there's a rabbit guardian deity or smth in Wano. However, it's not limited to guardian deity since i dont think there's a guardian deity for Ryuma. And it wont really affect the story if there's nothing about rabbit or Carrot herself in the history of Wano. it's just smth that it thought would be neat if she has one given how i think Yamato do has one (or two): two wolves (that looks like foxes) statues near the entrance of Onigashima.

My opinion: Yamato will travel with SHs but up until Elbaf only. And then she'll return to Wano. And i think that Carrot will return to Zou after Wano ends.

[pine delta]

how tf would yamato travel with straw hats for one island

[waxen dust]

-Hiyori will likely play a role especially if Marco is finished

-We definitely have more than one island left.

[pine delta]

if he leaving wano with them hes in it for a longer haul. makes no sense for him to dip immidiately, like he just joins them for a quick laugh? he either coming with em to the raftel or not at all.

[forest rampart]

i dont think that she has any healing ability. she can use any medicine or first aid kit to heal the scabbards, like how Chopper does. Or that maybe she used Usopp's toad oil but it's a fraud

[pine delta]

We have realistically elbaf, laugh tale, and then a war, and a postgame. maybe one more suprise island. we're in the endgame theres not a lot left thats set up

[ancient vault]

They barely escaped death. A first aid kit should not be enough

[split glacier]

Does she even have any special healing powers? It just seems like normal wound treating.

[forest rampart]

if vivi can, and if carrot will return to zou after wano, why not yamato cant travel with SHs even for an arc? Not to mention that i think Elbaf might last between 3-5 years.

[pine delta]

hiyori doing a dropkick would be lit, and i think she fixed up the scabbards, but i don't see her using a big ability

[surreal oriole]

God valley and the island blackbeard is on, I think will also have a role to play

[pine delta]

elbaf is not lasting 3-5 years. oda wants one piece to end within 5 years. how is he gonna waste that much time on elbaf

[waxen dust]

-Elbaf
-Vegapunk
-Lodestar
-Laugh Tale

That’s four islands

[ancient vault]

elbaf could be one year

[pine delta]

vegapunk can be a 3 chapter intermission like reverie. so can god valley

[surreal oriole]

Anyone think we are going to get a arc where he travels back through the grand line and revisits some of the places we have already been

[pine delta]

why would they visit blackbeards island? he's probably gonna come to them or to a location they are going to.

[waxen dust]

no it’s not gonna be 3 chapters, Vegapunk will get an entire arc especially since he’s been emphasized for so long

[split glacier]

Shanks has less than 4 months to "move" or Oda was telling big fat lies

[pine delta]

there is a zero percent chance luffy has time travel into past moments

[forest rampart]

Jack said that the scabbars were in beaten up state. So they're not healed completely to health. if she has any magical df, then the scabbards should be healed fully to health

[surreal oriole]

Idk why they would. That island just had alot of history. I would be surprised if the SHs don't go there for some reason

[waxen dust]

I agree, I dont think Elbaf is another short arc. Oda loves vikings and we’ve been hyping this island LONGER than Wano.

[pine delta]

vegapunk arc can be tied into a whole host of other things. things don't have to be an island visited by the strawhats for it to be dealt with. could just be smoker and tashigi visiting him and we watch their POV and conversations.

[split glacier]

Also Blackbeard is gonna kill Shanks or at least beat him up again and either have to double team with Luffy against a 3-Devil fruit Blackbeard.

[pine delta]

i see elbaf being a one year arc at most

[waxen dust]

it’s gonna be an entire arc for Vegapunk. No way it will be a few chapters

[upbeat otter]

Vivi and carrot have specific reasons for their travel.Vivi wanted to free Alabasta from crocodile.While carrot also has a reason since all the people of zou are revolting against kaido.Thats why it was not awkward for them to travel with SH.

For one or two arcs

[pine delta]

at this point backstories are gonna start interconnecting. vegapunk backstory is gonna be tied to something else. so will elbaf, god valley, lodestar etc. its not gonna be the sole focus for an entire island. one piece is ending soon folks

[surreal oriole]

I think his story is going to be tied into the revolutionaries/WG arc

[upbeat otter]

Yeah most likely,since he made kuma a cyborg

[waxen dust]

Elbaf 3-5 years?! no way, I can see 1-2 years at most. Elbaf should be same length as WCI

[ancient vault]

one year is still relatively short tho Thats just about 30 to 40 chapters

[pine delta]

thats a perfect amount for elbaf

[ancient vault]

I could see it being 50 chapters

so about 1.5 years

[pine delta]

they meet shanks there, have a davy black fight with him for the final poneglyph red, get some giants lore, and dip

also usopp becomes a brave warrior of the sea

[waxen dust]

40-70 chapters for Elbaf especially with the lore, Big Mom, & possibly Shanks. 30 chapters is too short for an arc about Giants lol

[waxen dust]

Luffy and crew will have to meet Vegapunk especially for an explanation about Kuma’s actions.

[forest rampart]

Elbaf: 3-5 year. Min: 3 years
Lodestar: 1 year. Min: half year
Laugh Tale: half year should be enough but Max: 1 year
Then 1 year TS: 1 year. Min: half year
Marijoa/Final War: 4-6 years. Min: 4 years
Ending: To Laugh Tale again, and || ||. half year to 1 1/2 years

[pine delta]

theyre all gonna like luffy already because

A) he fucked up big mom (their enemy)
B) The giant pirates are part of his fleet

So we can skip any conflcit with them like zou

@forest rampart thats so much cap

[waxen dust]

The series is gonna end within 6-8 years, there’s enough time for a few more big arcs, just not as long as Wano

[pine delta]

you're saying oda and all his editors are off by a minimum of 5 years? probably more??

[forest rampart]

You can reduce the years if you want but at least those arcs are true

[pine delta]

theres not gonna be another timeskip
we arent spending a year on lodestar
we arent spending 3 years on elbaf

[forest rampart]

i said again and again, OP wont end in 5 years. it'll be at least 10 years imo

[pine delta]

so i should trust you, a capper on the internet, over oda and all his editors??

[waxen dust]

-agree
-disagree
-somewhat agree, maybe 2.5 years at most

[pine delta]

final arcs and plot lines are all about to intersect. Elbaf will be the start of closing the thread, and then each progressive arc will make people realize this shit really ending.

[waxen dust]

We don’t even know if Elbaf is next, everyone is just assuming

[pine delta]

id love for one piece to go on another 10 years but the writing is on the wall

[surreal oriole]

I think we are nearing the end aswell sadly. But didnt the editors say 5 years was still wishful thinking?

[pine delta]

all the final stages and players are almost done taking their places, and we're about to start fighting through it all. his editors said 5 years was VERY REALISTIC

[waxen dust]

Everyone is guessing Elbaf next based on pure speculation. I highly doubt Elbaf is next, I will bet that Vegapunk is gonna happen right after Wano. There’s been more evidence to support that than Elbaf

[pine delta]

post wano is gonna be a 10 chapter intermission similar to reverie and then onward to elbaf

[upbeat otter]

After wano,Luffy might go on a search for sabo.Its not like he will just move on after hearing it

[abstract owl]

Will Yamato join the straw hats ?

[weary cliff]

He seems more likely than anyone else

[pine delta]

next 2 arcs are all just gonna setup the final big war

[iron lion]

I wonder how long the final war will be

[waxen dust]

5 years is not happening,
6-8 years is more reasonable

6 years if Oda decides to pick up his pace and let Toei fill in blanks (less likely)

7 Years with Oda going at normal pace and nothing unexpected happens within the story

8 years with Oda’s normal pace and enough time to world build and expand lore and side characters (most likely)

[surreal oriole]

Yeah I get the feeling the reverie was the prologue to the revolutionaries arc that will be post wano. As soon as luffy sees the news about Sabo I expect he will take immediate action.

[forest rampart]

Elbaf arc might take between 3-5 years max.
If it's the last island that SHs will visit, it's natural to assume that Shanks will appear in Elbaf since we're getting closer to the ending.

Candidates for Elbaf Arc:

On SHs side:

• SHs + Tama
• Yamato
• Oimo n Kashii
• Elbaf Giants/Warriors (can switch sides in a sec smth)
• Dorry n Brogy (if they're present)

Switching sides
(good to bad // in between):

• Capone Gang Bege Pirates (idk)
• Shanks (also opponent)
• Law
• Kidd??

Switching sides (bad to good):

• Weevil

Enemies:

• BB Pirates
• CP0 (also Lucci)
• Supernovas (not every of them, esp Bonney since she was busy with her own mission at Mariejoa)

Neutral (or "doing nothing"):

• Maybe also Kuzan

What'll they do?:

• Caribou

Will come??:

• Marines

• Marco

• Izo?? (less chance)
• CP9?? (There's only Who's Who as an ex member but I'm not sure if he'll come. Imo he's probably has some relevance to be there -to spill some more big secret to SHs)

Don't know about their whereabouts:

• Vista?
• Jozu?

Maybe come but honestly idk:

• BM Pirates
• Moria (so no Moria in Wano imo)

[iron lion]

What would the big conflict on elbaf be even?

[waxen dust]

Yeah this could happen as well, but I am thinking Kuma likely send them to Wano (Sabo, Vivi, & Bonney). If not then a Sabo arc would definitely make the series longer by a year

[forest rampart]

Shanks, BB, Loki, Weevil

[waxen dust]

Big Mom and Loki

[weary cliff]

Maybe CP0 and Loki

[iron lion]

Loki? I don't recall any character in one piece having that name

[waxen dust]

the Prince who wanted to marry Lola

[weary cliff]

He was going to marry Lola

[iron lion]

That guy? Wow i totally forgot about him

I wonder what he saw in her... didn't chiffon say he was head over heels in love with lola?

[waxen dust]

I was thinking CP0 might play a role in Elbaf alongside Big Mom & Loki. Especially with Mother Caramel previously working with the WG. It would be a nice way to tie them into the main plot

[waxen dust]

I think Shanks COULD come at the end of the arc in Elbaf, BUT I am more so leaning that Shanks will enter the same time as Blackbeard and that will happen in Lodestar. Which will eventually transition into Laugh Tale; Kind of like a W7/Enies Lobby scenario

[forest rampart]

Shanks in Elbaf

(assuming it's elbaf)

[waxen dust]

That looks nothing like Elbaf, I think the edge of Elbaf had darker rocks during BM backstory.

[forest rampart]

Elbaf

[waxen dust]

yeah it looks more darker and has a purplish hue to it. The place Shanks is standing is almost as white as Baltigo

But I don’t know if you should take that opening scene serious anyways.

[forest rampart]

That's because of shading n sunlight

[waxen dust]

not really, sun is shining down on both scenes

[forest rampart]

shading too

[surreal oriole]

Yeah, it's hard to use that as evidence for them being on elbaf. The shading and stuff doesn't tell us anything imo

[waxen dust]

hmm

[forest rampart]

Shading/ shadow. Sunlight coming from other direction, creating the shadows

[waxen dust]

it’s likely not Elbaf, if anything it could just be his territory and shows up at the end since Big Mom is causing mayhem; like he always does

[pure raven]

how old is this opening? Could of been any random island😭 shanks crew is always on random islands ngl

[forest rampart]

There's also WCI island during Robin's TS filler

[ancient vault]

I could go to Uni come out with a masters and OP would still not be finished

[waxen dust]

yeah this is not good evidence, but it would be mind blowing if it comes true lmao

[waxen dust]

lmaoo for real, some people started reading this in middle school and now they have a whole family of 6 children 😂😂

[forest rampart]

I know that One Piece will never end. Sorry to disappoint you guys

[waxen dust]

yeah I alluded to that before and Emerald City, but there’s nothing there about Elbaf

[surreal oriole]

Revolutionaries arc is next my friends, hope you are hyped. No way Luffy sees the news about Sabo and just heads on to Elbaf

[waxen dust]

assuming Sabo doesn’t get bounced to Wano by Kaido.

[forest rampart]

sabo in intermission arc

[waxen dust]

Sabo on the moon with Enel

[modest skiff]

Oh hey i forgot we have this. Confirms my basic theory is Elbaf is absolutely untouchable to the outside world in a way that goes way beyond Wano

[slate moon]

Hasn't Oda stated that Wano is wrapping up and that afterwards he will be writing the largest war in manga history? So I feel another arc that includes Elbaf is unlikely occurring directly after Wano.

[forest rampart]

sorry but i dont agree. cant really see that

[modest skiff]

You don't see that insurmountably giant wall on the right hand side?

[waxen dust]

No I believe it was in reference to Wano being bigger than Marineford. But it would be interesting if we got another war right after Wano

[drowsy marsh]

We might not get a break. 4 straight chapters

[waxen dust]

I think that’s the tree 🌳

[modest skiff]

Yeah I think that could be yggdrasil or whatever Oda decides to name it. Would be awesome if Elbaf was in that tree

[waxen dust]

see the branch extending outward

or a beanstalk

[modest skiff]

I will intentionally not make an OS reference but I will say that there's a tree in another series which is insanely giant and I think the Elbaf tree/yggdrasil is similar

[surreal oriole]

I was wondering how they would do a island of giants considering how big the island would have to be. But if they lived in a giant tree,then that would allow them to build vertical

[waxen dust]

Elbaf’s outskirts looks completely similar to this

[modest skiff]

FWIW I also think Elbaf is unbelievably wide. Like I think it is by far the biggest island by a huuuuge margin. But I also think Elbaf extends into the sky. I think it is possible that Elbaf itself is somewhat of a sky island because people live in the sky in the tree

[waxen dust]

yeah there’s no way Elbaf is a short arc, anyone thinking that is delusional

[slate moon]

Agreed, that's why I was asking about Oda's response in the sbs. Thought he was referring to a longer war after Wano. That five year mark he was shooting for ain't happening unless we are using leap year timing

[modest skiff]

I firmly maintain my stance that Oda feeds his publisher bullshit so they let him work. I have no reason to believe One Piece finishes within the next 10 years

[waxen dust]

I say it finishes within 8 years, we are beginning to get towards the end.

[neon shoal]

I think 4 to 5 years until one piece done

[drowsy marsh]

I can see it. 1127 should be the chapter where they find the one piece

[waxen dust]

when was this tweeted, dont see the date

[pure raven]

This island looks like God Valley

[modest skiff]

I don't think Elbaf or the Laugh Tale arc will be shorter than Wano. That still leaves Marie Jois and probably others lol.

[waxen dust]

so specific? I forgot why but someone told me why this number

[waxen dust]

It literally says Elbaf............

[pure raven]

I saw

I just said it looks like

[drowsy marsh]

The goroawase aka wordplay van be translated to one piece

[waxen dust]

TBH I would LOVE if they were longer, but I am highly doubtful about it. I think Laugh Tale has the potential to be longer, BUT only if it’ll branch with Lodestar.
So essentially be Lodestar/Laugh Tale.

[waxen dust]

ah! I see, maybe it will happen but that means One Piece will be found in 2 years. I realistically don’t see that happening.

[modest skiff]

I think Lodestar/LT will be like Water7/Enies. Technically separate arcs but basically actually 1 arc

[waxen dust]

Yup! Exactly! It actually ties into my end game theory. I think Oda making us mistaken this island as Raftel was definitely meant as setup for a combined arc on both islands, especially when Roger is the only one to visit both places

[pure raven]

So, the end of Wano Kuni is for the chapiter 1092.
Wan (一) = 1
o (零) = 0
Ku (九) = 9
Ni (二) = 2

So 1092 is 100% confirmed.

[drowsy marsh]

There are around 35 chapters in a year

[waxen dust]

so essentially almost 3 years, still don’t know about this. I think it’s gonna a bit longer until the One Piece is found. There’s too much to cover and I don’t know if 3 years will be enough to get through it all AND find the treasure

[waxen dust]

LMAO!!! I FUCKING HOPE SO!
This would be funny and awesome if Wano were to end there

[pure raven]

Yes.

[sturdy hound]

@pure raven

[pure raven]

I like the way you think, I do not like the conclusion

The same

I hope it would be earlier

I really hate Onigashima

[drowsy marsh]

If finding the one piece is the end, yes. But the great war can start after finding the one piece.

[waxen dust]

No now I am crossing my fingers Wano ends on 1092 🤞🤞

[pure raven]

If you want to go mad with gorowase, well Wano might just end when the genius Vegapunk arrives. TEN (10) SA (3) I (1), 1031 I guess I'm bending the channel rules just a bit

[waxen dust]

yeah it will be the catalyst towards the final war, but even still I still find it hard for Oda to get to that point in 3 years without rushing, I don’t think he’s gonna end it as soon as 5 years.
We’re on 1023, there’s no way we can see the One Piece within about 100 chapters and not feel rushed

[frigid oxide]

Spoilers?

[brazen rover]

Spoilers?(2)

[sand sail]

Read the channel description please.

[neon shoal]

I don’t know but I got from article which article made in 5/10/21

[waxen dust]

Nah, this isn’t ending in 5 years do the math.
20-30 volumes remaining
35 chapters per year
10 chapters per volume
200 chapters would take about 6 years (20 volumes)
300 chapters about 8 years (30 volumes)

It’s definitely 6-8 years left, like I mentioned earlier

[neon shoal]

I thought it’s 45-48 ch per year?

[waxen dust]

nope that’s old schedule

[sharp mountain]

the past few years, Oda has been taking a lot of breaks

[waxen dust]

he takes break every 3 weeks

every month there’s like a break, so 33-36 chapters a year

[neon shoal]

Wait how do you know it’s 35 chapters per year?

[waxen dust]

math lol

[forest rampart]

So I made some calculations a bit

[neon shoal]

Where did base math from?

Like a formula equation or something

[waxen dust]

look at his recent years and calculate how many chapters have been released

[forest rampart]

Based on Volume 99 (have 10 chps)
→release date: september 2021
→3 volumes for 2021 (2 vol previous year)

20 to 30 volumes left

3 vols for 2021
3 vols for 2022
3 vols for 2023
3 vols for 2024
3 or 4 vols for 2025
ーーーーー
That makes 15/16 vols
ーーーーー
15x2=30 vols
ーーーーー
2025 (15/16 vols), 2030 (another 15/16 vols)

Conc:
-20 vols until 2027
-30 vols until 2030

2027 - 2021 = 6 years
2030 - 2021 = 9 years

[neon shoal]

Thank you

[waxen dust]

yea thanks for mathematically clarifying my point lol

[neon shoal]

Either way, if it take more than five years complete one piece I’m not gonna complain

I want one piece to last long possible

[ancient vault]

can you take this OP ending in so and so years to another channel, you've been discussing this for more than an hour now and these are not really theories

[waxen dust]

I was a bit off with calculations, he actually done 39 chapters for majority of the recent years.

2016: 811-850 (39)
2017: 851-889 (39)
2018: 890-928 (39)
2019: 928-966 (39)
2020: 967-999 (33)
2021: 1000-

It averages to 38 chapters a year, and this year will likely be around 34-37 chapters. But essentially it’s way less than his earlier schedules. So time constraints will hold the series off a bit.

[waxen dust]

You’re right! We need to talk about King and his God Valley brethren.

[drowsy marsh]

Elbaf won't be a big arc.

[sharp mountain]

I think about 40 -50 chapters at most for Elbaf

[unkempt gorge]

Theory about D

We know that there are certain families and guys with D in their names and we all know that they're kinda big shots and famous and are all have qualities of Kings for e.g. we can take Luffy's family and Gol D' and we also have seen that they maybe if different races and we may assume that D's are connected to Ancient Kingdom which was there in Void Century so we can assume that D's wasn't a clan or something the D title was given to the different peoples who played big part in formation of the Ancient Kingdom or it's Working like Leaders cuz we've seen Saul a giant with D name so maybe there were other races too with D' in there name and those guys were the ones who formed peace in different races and were powerful representatives of their races and when they became the enemy of CDs(20kings) some survived the destruction and fled with one mission to keep the Poneglyphs safe and to scatter them around the world hence creating the WORLD'S FIRST PIRATE CREW and imo it was led by JOY BOY as he maybe was an adventurer or their leader and as he apologized to Mermaid Queen so maybe he was the one who took the proposal of creating a kingdom with all races together and peacefully which the world didn't like. AND AFTER SCATTERING THE PONEGLYPHS the guys disbanded like Crews and lived hiding and as we know now there are some of those D's and govt at that time would've tried to hunt them but they couldn't find all of them and as a result we have some families remaining who are big shots around the world with Coq qualities which led me to believe either Black beard is a fake D or there was someone who betrayed the D' or Ancient Kingdom imo he is now the king of the world IMU-SAMA

[pine delta]

still kinda shocked oda drops law has the secret name water and people still have no idea what that could mean

[drowsy marsh]

IMU is from the Moon.

[eager mica]

Ok, so as we all know, all of Ussop’s lies come true. So what if the “I can’t go on this island or I’ll die Disease ” is real. It’s a side effect of the special properties of Laugh Tale, and it only effects Devil Fruit users making them extremely sick if they approach the island, this is why Buggy fell ill and why Roger’s crew was so against Devil Fruits. So, maybe as the Straw Hats approach Laugh Tale all of the fruit users on the crew, possibly including Ussop if he eats a Devil Fruit, fall ill, and the reason the crew stops at Lode Star is to allow the crew to rest, and allow for Chopper to come up with a cure which would act as a big payoff to his arc, possibly even allowing him to come up with a miracle cure to cure all illness. Hell, imagine if the cure had something to do with Sakura Blooms? I’d probably weep because I love Chopper’s backstory so much and it would mean Hiriluk was on the right track.

[proud tree]

did buggy already eat the devilfruit when they reached laughtale?

[supple anchor]

yeah

[eager mica]

I believe so, I could be wrong though

[supple anchor]

he did, in the flashback they talk about his powers when oden joined. shanks said something like "you dont die anymore when you get cut into pieces" iirc. also the crew got disbanded shortly after getting to laughtale

[silent dock]

I agree with this! I would take it a step further and argue that this pattern of 2 sides of D may stem all the way back from the Void Century. I think there was likely a darker side of the Ancient Kingdom and Joy Boy failed to mend to the split in their ideologies, leading to the fall of the ancient kingdom/rise of the WG. if they were the first pirate crew it would make sense that some of them had a darker vision of the meaning of pirates, since not all pirates are nice guys like Gol D and Luffy.

God Valley was Gol D’s generation “Clash of D” with Rocks D Xebec. This generation will be Luffy vs Blackbeard, and I predict we will discover the other side of D from Joy Boys time soon enough. I’ve considered it Imu for a second but Imu doesn’t fuck with blackbeard so I don’t think that’s the case. It’s not like Oda to not tell us more about a large historical figure head so I almost think it was a group of people in the ancient kingdom who didn’t agree with Joy Boys approach

[modest skiff]

So I'm reading this now and it starts out with

"Vinsmoke" is just a last name, but not the race. Yeah, you could say that they're probably human 'cause as far as we've seen Judge has never showcased any natural fire abilty while fighting, he does not have any wings to complement that assumption, but to be fair we don't know enough about what being a "Lunarian" really means."

Seems very weak so far lol. continuing...

ok so this is saying Judge is a failure and that's why none of this makes sense ~_~

Ok so I can kind of buy the idea that if the Lunarians get their power from their wings, if Judge's were amputated to protect him or keep him secret, mayyyybe.

The one thing that makes me buy into this is the technology aspect.

It is not a coincidence that Vegapunk and Tsukimi are from the same island. I think there are a variety of hints throughout One Piece that technological advancement is being suppressed by the WG and that races that were wiped out had extremely advanced technology. Vegapunk's island is a notable exception to the erasure of technology. Probably a part of his deal with the WG.

So I would say I reject all of the evidence other than the technology

I think it is possible that Germa is trying to HIDE their Lunarian ancestry and that it is part of all this, in order to preserve the Germa empire. I dunno, a lot of things make it not make sense. But I could imagine it being true

[proud tree]

the "water" in his name is his "taboo" name ... even more important then the D in his name (chapter 763)

wtf how many taboo names are there

[weary cliff]

If there's anything to the Sanji lunarian thing, it could be as simple as Judge being in a unique position of having both knowledge of the race from Queen, and access to something from the redline that could have been added to his augmentations. As to why it specifically works for sanji, the emotional dampening would have rendered the fire power obsolete to his brothers, as it is tied to passion as he says

[proud tree]

as far as we know only D and Water are taboo names ... Vinsmokes are also not WG affiliated country

[waxen dust]

Judge is a failure tho, dude cannot conqueror the North Blue on his own. And I think the Garuda title and his chair definitely hints at mythological referencing possibly for King and the Land of Gods. I do also believe the stuff about Sanji makes actual sense. It also makes sense biologically for Sanji to inherit Judge’s genetics and be able to surpass him especially with being able to conjure fire with Diable.

[modest skiff]

Yeah I strongly subscribe to the alternate idea that Judge tried to make Sanji Lunarian and the Lunarian LF is what made all the other stuff not work. Lunarian LF is just really strong. And the Lunarian LF requires extreme emotion to unlock, which is why King has the personality he does. He's totally stonecold until he gets fired up

[waxen dust]

There seems to be a significance with Germa and something happening 300 years ago. So maybe it can tie with something also happened with the Lunarians around that time as well, if the timeline is accurate.

[proud tree]

he failed to protect his country against the interest of a Yonko... I would imagine most rulers / kings in one piece would fail facing a Yonko

[modest skiff]

yeah I agree that the 300 years thing is a hint. I think it is possible that they had some kinda alliance or something. It is unclear to me what the Garuda title actually means here

[waxen dust]

He faced a Yonko in the North Blue? I don’t think it was ever clarified who defeated Germa, BUT I believe it’ll tie back to Alvaro Pizzaro

[proud tree]

Yeah .. I was referring to the destruction of the Germa66 kingdom by Big Mom in the end.

[waxen dust]

I think Judge is using it as a way to honor the gods and Germa’s relationship to them from 300 years ago. I don’t think it’s Judge being the actual Garuda himself, but more so an ephitet he given himself as remembrance. Seems like Judge is all about restoring the past in a weird way

[waxen dust]

Well that’s totally different than what we’re discussing as Judge being a failure. Big Mom is her own entity that possibly defeat vast majority of the world

[modest skiff]

Yes, I think it is a lot more likely that Germa was a part of the 8.

Oh on that topic. Remember all that stuff about Sanji and Zoro being Luffy's wings? You know how we got all that stuff about what appears to be 8 nations? I noticed the Kozuki bird has 8 feathers!!! I was like "oh snapppp", so it further enhances my belief that 8 nations were perhaps a part of a larger collective that either really liked a specific bird or bird/flying race

I think its possible the 8 feathers are related, but maybe I'm being too tinfoil hat

[waxen dust]

no I think that’s on the nose with accuracy, good catch. I definitely think sky creatures whether birds or dragons have a significant role to play and remember the egg is still a factor in all of this

[modest skiff]

Yeah but you disagree with my egg theory >:[

[waxen dust]

I do disagree with that, but I do agree the egg is important and serves to tie back with the Ancient Kingdom and these Gods’ in some way

[neon shoal]

Is this the “crucial treasure” dofomingo talk about?

[modest skiff]

Small side note, that hat looks like it would fit king. I still think Joyboy was a Lunarian revolutionary. I think when the Lunarians peaced out, Joyboy felt he had an obligation to help all of the nations that were allied with Lunarians, so he stayed back to help lead a revolution against CDs. It didn't work out, so he promised he'd be back later.

[neon shoal]

Honestly wonder how large straw hat “shake world to its foundations”

[waxen dust]

It’s Imu himself because the world isn’t an actual democracy. Also Doflamingo wanted to have Eternal Youth for some reason and possibly either overthrow Imu or switch bodies

[neon shoal]

your saying imu is the “crucial treasure” not the straw hat

[waxen dust]

yeah because his existence is what “shakes the foundations of the world”.
The world assumes their foundations are based on equality and democracy, thus why they hold Reveries, but in actuality that’s not true.
Imu runs the world

[restive kestrel]

Yea kind of 100% sure about that aswell, imu is the thing that "exists" in marijois

[wild turret]

Since Zoro is semi confirmed shimosuki bloodline I feel like he deserves to get shusui back but he gave it back for Emma . So based off that whole exchange he won’t get it back . Foreshadowed that he would possibly inherit nidai kitesu during first few wano episodes luffy using it . Good chance his sandal will break during the war

[waxen dust]

The strawhat could have importance, but it’s not some magically item like people are thinking lmaoo

This not Harry Potter

[restive kestrel]

Zoro will get shushui back, as momo is old now and can actually wield 2 swords

[wild turret]

Not if he turns it into a black blade

[modest skiff]

Yeah I don't think the straw hat is magical, I think it is just a symbol of Joyboy, who I think Imu used to have extreme admiration for, perhaps loved, but also deeply hates. I think Imu has some really weird shit going on with his thoughts and feelings of Joyboy. But I am also totally open to the idea that the Straw Hat was not Joyboy's

[wild turret]

Momo only inherited 1 sword

[restive kestrel]

Dunno, it feels like momo is getting it and zoro will get nidai

[waxen dust]

Joyboy is Imu’s enemy, that’s why he compared the bounty pictures to it because he’s concerned of a new incarnation soon arising

[modest skiff]

I agree, but I think it is possible it goes deeper than that, because Imu has no reason to keep the hat

[proud tree]

In Skypia the highest authority was called Kami or God.... Propably this tradition started in the void century, because Whitebeard mentioned God in connection to the void century in the latest chapter.

[modest skiff]

I'd also like to slide in a prediction: I think that Momo will help the straw hats get to a sky island and that they will reach Elbaf by traveling across the sky sea rather than the blue sea

[waxen dust]

Well yeah Imu probably has ties to the Ancient Kingdom and the hat is what symbolizes that time period. It could also be a personal relationship, but nonetheless the straw hat is important as a symbol against oppression

[modest skiff]

Agreed

[proud tree]

Even Enels predecessor was called god, even though he had no god Complex right?

[waxen dust]

hmmm, this actually ties into my Emerald City theory and how that island and Elbaf have a connection to each other. Because I usually assumed that Emerald City will be above Elbaf and they go their afterwards, BUT I can also see them going to Emerald City THEN going down to Elbaf afterwards

[modest skiff]

There is too much juicy science in the clouds for Vegapunk to not be doing stuff up there IMO

[waxen dust]

Ganfall or in Brika?

[neon shoal]

So the world government’s greatest treasure is imu. It’s a bit peculiar a person or a man is world government greatest treasure
not an artifact or object signify great importance for world government like how a straw hat is Luffy’s greatest treasure, or big mom greatest treasure is picture, not actual person

[weary cliff]

Momo seems like he'd be busy. They could just climb Yggdrasil

[proud tree]

Ganfall was called god too right?

[waxen dust]

yup

[proud tree]

Why did Ganfall have no wings though?

[modest skiff]

I mean how long would it really take for Momo to use his clouds to drop them off above Wano and then come back down? A day trip at most

[weary cliff]

Ah you mean right up there. Could be!

[modest skiff]

Yeah I don’t mean he joins the crew, but at very least Momo is now able to be their go-to sky transport when they need it

[eager mica]

I once saw a theory that Enel will come down and kill Imu placing himself as the most powerful God in the world, and making himself the final villain of the series. The reason he saved the Scabbards was because the Kozuki clan fought against Imu in the past. Like it seemed like a joke, but the guy was serious that Enel had some grudge against Imu due to what he read on the moon, and was ready to be the final villain of the story.

I wish I could find the original post

[modest skiff]

The part I agree with is I think Enel is sympathetic to Wano

[waxen dust]

Big Mom’s greatest treasure is Mother Caramel, BUT the picture was the only remnant of her.

Imu being the WG’s treasure makes absolute sense since it opposes the facade idea of democracy within the world and in reality proposes a dictatorship under one ruler. That’s how the revel of Imu’s existence is a treasure because the knowledge of knowing his existence is SO powerful that it will shake the foundations of the world that were assumed pre-established since 800 years ago.

[waxen dust]

That’s actually a very valid point 🤔🤔🤔🤔

[proud tree]

I think this is very important ... enel had no wings too eventhough he was Birkan, he ahd this Drum thingy

[waxen dust]

https://tenor.com/view/math-thinking-zach-galifianakis-formulas-numbers-gif-7715569

[proud tree]

Birkans are of skypian race?

[waxen dust]

No

They are a separate race from the sky

[neon shoal]

Yeah yeah but it would be much better if dofomingo said “I know of a crucial secret” not “I know of a crucial treasure” because it’s like imu is world government’s sentimental and personal treasure like deeply cherish imu

[proud tree]

So Birkans where their own race ... until Enel killed all other Birkans beside him and his followers?

[waxen dust]

@proud tree did Enel’s men all come from Brikan too? I do not remember off top of my head

[proud tree]

yep he took his followers from Birka

[modest skiff]

This is why i just get frustrated and decide to re-read, start a re-read, realize I have 1020 chapters to re-read and then give up

[proud tree]

Does Big Mom even now of the Skypian Race and the Birkan Race who have wings?

[waxen dust]

Yeah the wording is weird but unless the hat is ACTUALLY an artifact that has powers then it’s fair to say Imu is the treasure because he’s only known by a select few

[waxen dust]

But they all had wings.....wtf is going on here

[proud tree]

Considering even Bellamy made it up to Skypia ... Big Mom or her crew should be able to do so too and get a Skypian Race member to their crew ...

[waxen dust]

We know Enel came from Brika,BUT was he born there. Same for Gan Fall.....

[modest skiff]

yeah skypiea should be trivial to reach for any yonko

[proud tree]

BM said only Kings race was still missing? When she asked him to join her crew?

[modest skiff]

the only thing I'll add is that they would 100% require the warp speed crabs. If they didn't obey, they have zero options to reach skypiea

no, 3 missing. Giants, King, (?)

[proud tree]

I think the last (?) should be Skypian or Birkan ....

[modest skiff]

i wonder if automata count as a race

[proud tree]

nah ... Kuma and his clones are also not counted as their own race

[waxen dust]

Okay so only the Gods of Skypia have no wings including the one in the Noland flashback

[modest skiff]

And if we are generous and assume Judge is some form of flying thing, he ain't got no wings either

[waxen dust]

So maybe there’s a deal or a ceremony of some type that requires the wings to be clipped, but another thing is both Eneru and Gan Fall had DFs, Idk if the other god had a df power

[proud tree]

Ganfall was skypian and had no wings ... maybe Judge is the same

[waxen dust]

Enel said something like “they wanted me to be human so I became a god”

[proud tree]

The only way you cant differentiate between Skypians and Humans are their wings ... A Skypian like Ganfall would be a viewed as a normal human on the ground...

[waxen dust]

What if....
Enel had a Third Eye?

we never saw his forehead

awakening a third eyes are usually tied to enlightenment. So based on Enel’s personality I think it would be interesting to say he somehow knows more than we’re initially lead on. He talks about all these things about God, gold, ancient texts, and the moon.
Idk I am trying to come up with some conclusive theory here

[junior hound]

pudding most enlightened character confirmed

[waxen dust]

well Pudding hasn’t awakened the latent power, so we don’t exactly know what to expect once that happens

[proud tree]

Winged races, like** Kings Race**, Birkans and Skypians, should be able to reach the top of the red line easier / first

[waxen dust]

Similarly to how Judge covered his face this whole time and we assumed he has something to hide, it would be fair the same thing about Enel. Like Katakuri hid his face and it got revealed later on, we never got that from Enel for some reason

[waxen dust]

yeah because they can fly, but we need understand why does anyone want to live on a big rock in the first place?

I am starting to think there is actually something significant about the Red Line itself and could have a power or purpose that allows the ones living on it to control the globe.

[proud tree]

we dont know if Skypians or Birkans can fly with their wings, we never saw this ... maybe their wings are like chicken wings and they cant really fly

Kings race can definitely fly though (?)

[waxen dust]

that’s true, they could be just an aesthetic as well. So maybe King’s race is the OGs and everyone else is like a ripoff or some kind of hybrid breed mixed with the Blue sea

[dusky acorn]

Is it at all likely to be from the three-eyed tribe and Sky person at that same time though? I suppose his parents had to have been one of each

[proud tree]

Oruge is a Birkan as well

and his wings have never been used for flight

[dusky acorn]

It's a meritable idea since that could be another explanation as to why Enel doesn't have wings, perhaps the half-sky genes weren't enough to give him them. But then again, I believe we've actually seen Enel's forehead through an SBS

[waxen dust]

I mean why wouldn’t it be? There’s no indication that cross breeding isn’t a thing. OR for that matter that Third Eyes were originally associated with the moon and space people...

Actually....Enel’s cover story does have an Evil Eye

[dusky acorn]

Ah, here it is

[waxen dust]

there’s the eye next to the soldiers....

[neon shoal]

Where is it? I can’t see it

[dusky acorn]

So based on Enel’s personality I think it would be interesting to say he somehow knows more than we’re initially lead on. He talks about all these things about God, gold, ancient texts, and the moon.
For this, I had always assumed his knowledge came from Birka. Perhaps their education at that island about the world and such was generally more advanced

Don't want to just discredit Enel though, he's definitely smarter than your average joe I'd say

[waxen dust]

okay so then I guess third eye for Enel isn’t possible, but the idea of a connection between the Third eye tribe and moon people/sky people still stands for sure.

[dusky acorn]

Ah, didn't mean this as in 'here's the third eye', but here's the panel that probably disproves the theory

[proud tree]

What are your thoughts on that observation: All the gods of Skypia (their leaders) had no wings? Why dont have all Skypians wings?

[waxen dust]

Well my only thing is Urouge doesn’t seem to know much, but he is very “religious” so what I think could’ve happened is Enel probably challenged the ideals of Brika and found out hidden truths and afterwards decided it was best to destroy Brika because they weren’t trying to go back to the moon. There seemed to be an conflict of interest.

[neon shoal]

I thought you literally mean enel has a third eye on the back of head which’s why he had to cover it up or something
Thank god that not the case

[late hare]

so is it confirmed from chapter 1023 that sanji has some sort of lunarian in his dna or is that still a theory

[visual merlin]

still a theory

[waxen dust]

not confirmed but highly hinted as possible, maybe when Sanji puts on the raid suit something significant will happen as that was hinted as well

[late hare]

We know that King is lunarian right or is that still speculation

[visual merlin]

I think its pretty telling just from the fact that judge didn't react to diable jambe

[ancient vault]

nah its basically confirmed

[visual merlin]

that sanji probably was not meant to be lunarian

among other things

[waxen dust]

read this theory if you haven’t already

#manga-theories message

[late hare]

from the engravings on the wall on the moon look like 3 different "races" of lunarian and King might be one of them

[dusky acorn]

I'm not sure. One answer is that all the wings are merely cosmetic, sort of like Kaido's crew horns, which may go along with Urouge being able to change his wing shape through age, as well as them possibly not granting actual ability of flight. But this is taking a really extreme standpoint

It's probably more likely not having wings is merely a rarity from birth, and possibly considered a defect amongst them

[late hare]

because king has wings that arent part of his df unless they are and im dumb

[visual merlin]

Not to disappoint but I can't bring myself to read long theories

could you give me a gist?

[proud tree]

Do you think that Skypians and Birkans are their own race like kings race or the 3 eyed tribe? Kings race is the only race that can make use of their wings to fly (even in combat), right?

So Skypians and Birkans have no combat advantage over normal humans through their race attribute (wings).

[waxen dust]

Judge uses the ephitet Garuda as a way to honor the Lunarians. Possibly having lunarian dna himself he was a failure in their eyes and thus tried to enhance his children’s abilities. But Sanji became “human” and received the same genetics as Judge, being a genuine lunarian. So essentially King & Judge have ties to this race and another thing pointed out was the moon people were technologically advanced like Germa

[late hare]

also they developed tech to specifically climb the red line i think was also a point

[waxen dust]

Only the gods of Skypia have no wings including the God from Noland’s flashback

[dusky acorn]

I do think King's people are the only winged people in which they have actual ability of flight. I don't think it was a coincidence that we went through all of Skypeia arc without seeming the people use them to fly or glide at all.

If sky people are otherwise their own race, that raises a question of if Big Mom already has them or not? We definitely didn't see any with her in Totland, as far as I recall

[late hare]

well King can fly due to his df

we havent seen him use the bird like wings on his back

[dusky acorn]

There's one more outlier I had in mind when considering non-wings a possible rarity from birth, the old man with Nami from Weatheria

It was revealed in a vivre card he was originally from Birka, and he has no wings

[waxen dust]

oh that’s right!

Were the other wizards also from Brika?

[dusky acorn]

They've been 'flapping' sfx showcased with King, even when he's normally walking, and I believe there's a panel that he actually flew in his normal state, hold on

[dusky acorn]

Yeah, I think that might be the implication. It's an artificial island after all, everyone migrated from somewhere to Weatheria. A group from Birka having come over is likely, if the main old man is at least one

[late hare]

oh maybe i just forgot but why would he have a pteranodon df if he could already fly?

[waxen dust]

It seems to me all the people of the sky have significant technological advances between Weatheria & Skypiea. I would assume Brika must’ve been an even greater kingdom than Skypiea, I don’t think we’ll visit there, BUT I highly believe that this place has major significance to the future of the story

[waxen dust]

Was it ever stated how long Weatheria existed or how long they’ve ventured off, I am gonna assume this happened before Enel destroyed Brika.

[proud tree]

Big mom seems to believe only 3 races are left to get all the races together: Giants, Kings Race, (?) if Birkans and Skypians are separate races that would mean Big Mom does not know about one of them (chapter 951)

[dusky acorn]

I don't think we have a set date, but yeah should definitely be before Enel destroyed it

I wanna assume during Haredeas' young adult years he'd have ventured out of Birka, and he's in his 90s now

[proud tree]

And she even says that the last race (?) maybe already extinct. Skypians are definetly not extinct. As far as I know there are no female Birkans and 9 male Birkans left, meaning that the Birkans where exterminated by Enel?

[dusky acorn]

As for why Oda gave him the fruit, possibly to keep him pure to his aerial theme, no matter the form. Possibly wanted to keep his combat style consistent, and not make him lose out on a key feature of his race, as other ancient zoans would make him purely land oriented

[waxen dust]

This is interesting now because if we have a mix of people with and without wings from Brika then it safe to assume there could be other people who are from the sky without us even realizing it. Because now having wings isn’t necessarily the only distinction of being from the sky.

[late hare]

fair enough

[modest skiff]

Still think BB has a 3rd eye too

[waxen dust]

Yeah most definitely, especially with all the indications mythological that can tie to his devil fruit. I stand firmly on the BB theory 110%

[late hare]

I think that blackbeard's next df would be a mythical octupus model: Cthulhu, mainly because of his jolly roger having 3 heads with 8 arms

idk it may make more sense to give him kaido's but

[modest skiff]

@waxen dust I think where we disagree is where the 3 eyed folks are from. I think they could be pole people, I think you have a belief that BB's birth place is also where his people are from. If I remember correctly.

[modest skiff]

Kaido's flag also has 8 bones. the 8 bones thing doesn't make sense WRT the octopus stuff

In fact I would say the 8 bones strongly imply both Kaido and BB are sympathetic to the group of 8 that has been alluded to throughout the series

[late hare]

fair enough

[waxen dust]

I think his birth place definitely ties to his origins, but the Third Eye seems more and more like something that comes from the moon especially if it ties into the evil eye and possibly Imu.

[modest skiff]

Also fair. If we assume people came from all sorts of planets, I have an easy time believing people who were from an ice world happened to find a home on one of the poles. But maybe that's extending too far

[waxen dust]

Ice world? You mean like a dimension? hmmm, idk how to counter because haven’t gone in depth with ice mythology or stories that tie with snow.

[neon shoal]

Interesting of imu and twenty kings chose lunarian’s homeland and make lunarian home their official land or mary geoise and proclaimed “center of the world”

[waxen dust]

we don’t know how Mariejoas ties to the Lunarians yet. But I think center of the world may not be an exaggeration

[snow scarab]

I’ve seen before someone questioning whether Pudding Pudding (marine) is Charlotte Puddings biological father but no mention of his origin. I forgot he existed

[neon shoal]

Hmmm maybe

[modest skiff]

I mean if we see all these planets in the big diagram, possible one of them was a primarily icy planet

[waxen dust]

Check this out, we don’t see the top of the Eve tree. I wonder why? Assuming that this diagram is accurate

[modest skiff]

This would support my theory that there is a 3rd sea, under the blue sea. I think this 3rd sea is crucial for explaining all of the whirlpools and enies lobby

[waxen dust]

Maybe God’s Land was like a Mount Olympus kind of thing on the top of the Eve tree and somehow Imu destroyed it and established Mariejoas on top to stop it from regrowing or something to that degree

[waxen dust]

I think so in a way as well, but more so the “Third sea” is resulted of the Red Line being existent and the world is actually in haphazard. Think that ties to being able to control Uranus and that will be able to maintain this “third sea” if that makes sense

[modest skiff]

I don’t understand

[waxen dust]

Like the Third Sea is unnatural and is caused because the world has been thrown into chaos geographically speaking because the Red Line is an unnatural structure. So that results in the sea being unpredictable and having these phenomenons like the whirlpool under FMI, the knock up stream, and the magnetically controlled sea currents. I think utilization of Uranus will be able to control those things in whoever’s favor.

[full bone]

I long before thought green bull can possibly be zoro's father who abandoned zoro, after kaido and Moria fight Ushimaru left wano to return shusui but zoro was born with his father's pervert habit and zoro hate him for that, later he join marine, So Ushimaru is ryokugyuu (Green bull; the new admiral) since there is a panel showing his back and have a bull figure in his clothing. And since there is the possibility he is related to Zoro from the lastest chapter, he might also have green hair

As it was stated in CP0 comment on momo's devil fruit was a failure, lefts joint the links, first vaga punk was trying to create dragons and he know about lineage duplicating process just like judge uses to create his army, so he made two dragons but wasn't able to create his ultimate dragon because it failed because he was trying to put that dragon lineage into devil fruit. As we saw once a zone type of devil fruit was formed in punk hazard, as the the poisonous jelly monster was created by compressing the gas released by Ceaser experiment but when Ceaser wanted to change it's components by giving his other chemicals the monster was transferred into the nearest fruit and it is the new zone type devil fruit, so as we were talking about momo's devil fruit was failure because the dragon in the vagapunk's devil fruit was only a baby and it turned out to be a failure however with the help of shinobu momo as well as the devil fruit matured and the ultimate dragon is now in action. So vagapunk may come to meet momo soon or CP0 may kidnap momo in the end and run away and take him to vagapunk. What do you think?

[proper jasper]

I believe that Greenbulls devil fruit is to control Sun, yeah might sound ridiculous since he would destroy everything and rule world but I guess there might be negatives also. What I mean by saying he has Sun Df is that he might absorb sun energy instead of Food to gain energy. Also would make sense for Admiral to have such power

[drowsy marsh]

Sounds way too strong. Especially, how important the moon is. It would be weird if someone could just control the sun. Besides, every other Admiral color fits with his devil fruit. Red Magma, blue ice, yellow light and Purple and gravity. So Green and he doesn't need food. A plant Devil fruit sounds more logical.

[proud tree]

do we know if sky islands like Skypia are above the red line? or below it?

in height till the ocean level?

If Skyislands where above the red line there would be a easy way to invade Meri Joa.

[waxen dust]

Skypiea is near Jaya because they saw Luffy’s silhouette after he rung the bell 🔔

[proud tree]

but there are more Skyislands like Skypia who should be at a similar height (10,000 meters above sea level). As far as I can tell Oda has not stated height information of the red line above sea level. Maybe he chose to hide that fact on purpose.

[waxen dust]

oh I see what you are referring to, yes we don’t know the proximity of the Red Line’s height nor do we know if any Sky Islands had directly reside above them. I would assume if any would they would’ve been destroyed because it kind of symbolizes there’s beings directly above Imu and the WG. So if their were any than I HIGHLY believe they’re already been eradicated or enslaved.

[shadow pike]

When Ruffy and Zolo meet Brackbeald, they correct Nami when she refers to him as 'he' and Zolo says " 'they' probably"; was this in reference to him having a whole pirate crew and that he wasn't alone or that Brackbeald is multiple people?

and why do brackbeald's missing teeth constantly change?

[queen arrow]

it was in reference to him having a crew, and the teeth thing is a art error

[dusky acorn]

Luffy and Zoro were assuming Blackbeard was a pirate. It was supposed to be a new reveal at the time. Given the context clues of him encouraging Luffy to 'aim for the top' and not only needing his fists to do so, going on about pirate dreams, and being in Mock Town at all, they were able to piece that together.

[modest skiff]

The closest I could see to this is being solar powered in some way, benefitting from the sun. But control of the sun is just out of control.

[neat gulch]

these theories are too much for my brain to comprehend

[halcyon talon]

which chapter is this from?

[pure raven]

(spoilers) SHANKS GOING TO ELBAF ISLAND 🙂

[muted mortar]

952 i guess

[rocky widget]

Kaido is actually vegapunks’s project

[native turret]

anyone think sanji might be half lunarian because of either his mom or the drug she gave him

[rocky widget]

No

[native turret]

Whats your opinion on all that then

You think he was actually a successful germa experiment?

[viral glen]

guys hear me out, shinobu cried in the latest chapter when seeing momo cuz he looked just like ||whitebeard||

[shadow pike]

WHere has Denjilo been this whole time?

[viral glen]

serving orochi

[shadow pike]

triple agent eh

[viral glen]

yes

[weary cliff]

A zoan gets better as an adult animal vs a child. Nothing more to it

[native turret]

WHy didnt whitebeard use conq coating in marineford

Just because plot stuff?

[grizzled fog]

He couldn’t use conqueror’s haki well, the one time he tried he literally got a heart attack

[rocky widget]

???

[neon shoal]

That’s a good question

Why didn’t whitebeard use conqueror haki coating

[limpid sequoia]

cause of what Vemqi said

[native turret]

Sense when couldnt he use it well

[limpid sequoia]

WB definitely tried to use CoC right before ace got executed but WB failed and Luffy awakened his CoC

[native turret]

Think the admirals have conq?

[grizzled fog]

Maybe one or two, not all

[limpid sequoia]

if anyone maybe akainu/aokiji because they seem to have the most ambition

[pine delta]

he was literally dying

i fee like the sense of "justice" is a type of haki in a sense. would make sense they could use conquerors or a justice equivalent, especially if they climbed to their worldwide upper level

[native turret]

Garp probably has conq I know sengoku does

dragon def does idk ab sabo though

[halcyon talon]

oh cheers bro

[pure raven]

Is there a break this week

[dusky notch]

No ig

[rapid yew]

No

[unkempt gorge]

[obsidian cove]

In One piece, they say people can’t eat more than one devil fruit. Maybe the highest ranks of the world government have been lying to everyone for centuries. Maybe people can eat more than one devil fruit, it’s just that the Marines don’t want pirates or even other marines to become too powerful. I mean, we’ve never seen someone eat another devil fruit in the show. So it’s not confirmed whether this widespread fact is true or not

And we’ve also never seen the devil fruit powers of the highest ranking gov. officials

[deft axle]

lucci says he heard that some people burst after eating 2 df

[obsidian cove]

Lucci is just another puppet in the grand scheme of things. Maybe he even doesn’t know the truth either

If you go through the world government hierarchy, Cipher pol is in the middle.

They aren’t even close to being high ranking officials in the gov.

Blackbeard has two devil fruit powers. And the explanation of “He’s built different” isn’t very convincing. We don’t know what he did to Whitebeard under that tarp

Trust me, there’s going to be a big reveal eventually. Something that will completely change the OP world

We will just have to wait and see

[limpid sequoia]

yeah but it isn't he's just built different, it's that he has a mythical zoan that allows him to have 3 "bodies" or something like that. And trust me if it were true that you could simply just eat more than one fruit there would be plenty of people greedy for power that try to eat 2 for more power, and the stigma wouldn't exist.

[rapid oar]

zoro looks very similar to shimotsuki ushimaru

[surreal harness]

pretty sure his dad 😄

[rapid oar]

maybe but i cant see how zoro wouldve got from wano to the east blue as a baby

[agile vapor]

he got lost???

[surreal harness]

someone stole him / or kaido was running over wano -> maybe shimotsuki ushimaru give zorro away so he could survive vs kaido attack

[pure raven]

When will spoilers come?

[torn mountain]

[modest skiff]

For questions like this, check #manga and #also-manga . This channel is intended for theories discussion

[pure raven]

👍🏻

[keen kelp]

Manga heavily hinting Zoro’s heritage?

[modest skiff]

Appears possible not but guaranteed. Similarities being shown but nothing definite. Same deal with Luffy being compared to the folk tale. Do you have a theory about Zoro's heritage?

[keen kelp]

Heir of Shomotsuki family

[limpid sequoia]

yeah he just looks exactly like the shimotsukis but isn't one

[keen kelp]

He has a connection with Ryuma, who gave him the Shunsui. He holds the Wado Ichimonji, and he looks exactly the same Lord Shomotsuki

Too many coincidences no?

[sleek ether]

It wasn't really Ryuuma, only the body, the consciousness is Brook's shadow.

[ancient vault]

@obsidian cove It was experimented on before. The people exploded. Everyone being able to eat two fruits or mroe and the WG just lying is fcking boring

[fast hollow]

I dont think shanks will die

Shanks and luffy reuion is most awaited in op history

Reunion*

[drowsy marsh]

What if Blackbeard get to the one piece first

[fast hollow]

Also not going to happen

[dull pawn]

blackbeard is an octopus fr

[fast hollow]

If bb finds op first then he will become pirate king

[robust sky]

a long way to go ❤️

[runic osprey]

So after what queen said to sanji you guys think he is part lunarian?

[glad rain]

i still believe he drops cheap alcohol on his foot and sets it ablaze

[lunar whale]

I'd say it'll just be some sort of anime cliche lol

[marble skiff]

He’s not part lunarian.
Judge didn’t even point out the missing lunarians from big moms creature collection.
Sanjis flames were established to come from friction, as we saw in his fight in Enies lobby.
And him burning in rage has been a thing since thriller bark and got weaponised as a gag with hells memories.

After the time skip, it’s safe to assume he learned to make the friction on his legs happen even faster.

Namis happiness punch is also a weaponised gag

Queen just asked that cause he hadn’t seen any non df users utilise flames before

[glad rain]

You guys think we'll have more on Zoro's backstory by November since it's pretty close now and Shimotsuki is November and all that jazz?

[drowsy marsh]

I think his emotions awakens the injected Lunarian Dna. I can't see Sanji being a Lunarian himself.

[proven lion]

Yeah lol theres no reason to think hes lunarian

[wraith cobalt]

Isn't zoro raised and taught by descendants of the wano sword masters who left the country to teach sword skills to east blue?
In that sense he "is from wano" but I'm 90% sure he was born in East blue

[proven lion]

Yeah we were talking about that a bit yesterday

[eternal quarry]

Just saw this, thoughts?

[exotic echo]

fun, but i wouldn't count on it

very insightful from the OP though

[proven lion]

Yeah idk oda does like to do plays on numbers but if it is a sanji centered chapter it will likely just be the kick off between him and queen

[drowsy marsh]

Ehh don't think it will be Sanji centered

[proven lion]

I mean might lmao but I dont think it will be any back story lore like these people are probably expecting.

[drowsy marsh]

Every chapter had multiple puns.

It is likely Sanji makes an appearance in some sort, but like 124 it doesn't have to be big.

[cyan aspen]

I think gear 5 gonna come next chap

[drifting root]

I hope gear 5 never comes

[split glacier]

Oda does love numbers...👀

[thick sky]

Was there a definite claim of that instead of Jabura saying that?

Cuz from what I remember Gorosei just said that no one on history has been able to eat two fruits

[rotund pine]

No one in the series is dumb enough to try

It probably happened offscreen some poor dude got greedy and he died

[feral pike]

Gear 5 is a must

[split glacier]

One Piece doesn't need to be DBZ with 1000 useless power-ups

[jovial patrol]

No gear 5 till zoro and sanji fight is finish

[drifting root]

luffy needs to strengthen his base form etc, not just making new gears

[rotund pine]

Raizo beats fukuroju next chapter

[proven lion]

Like I said I think gear 5 will be him awakening the gomu gomu no mi

[feral pike]

Gear 4 are for only weaker enemies its weird if luffy beats kaidou with just gear 4 its not logical

[jovial patrol]

I agree

He need awakening

[drifting root]

we've been focusing on Haki for so long, that's where he needs to get better

[proven lion]

Though I'm not sure what an awakened gomu gomu no mi would even do... will it be similar to katakuri where he is able to produce it?

[split glacier]

Most likely rubber floor to counter Blackbeard Quake fruit. That's what some think anyways

[visual merlin]

I don't have context to this message, what?

[proven lion]

Though what would that even really do.. idk it can go alot of ways and I've seen that theory somewhere

[teal nymph]

agree, but idk if he will awaken his fruit in wano

[drifting root]

if he gets knocked out from using gear 4th,and being unable to fight for a while, this just means he's definitely not ready for a new gear

[jovial patrol]

Luffy fruit is about hes body, second blood third bone four musle 5 hair? no im joking i dont know maybe soul

[split glacier]

I hate that soul theory

[jovial patrol]

Yeah but u need to follow a logic

[proven lion]

Lmao what? 3rd bone?he is not increasing his bone mas he is just inflating himself same with 4th except he infuses haki and it's more concentrated

[split glacier]

Not that logic

[visual merlin]

g3 is blowing into his bones though

and g4 is blowing into his muscles

[feral pike]

g5 is blowing his dick

[proven lion]

Idk I just cant really picture what an awakened gomu fruit would even really do.. and where did u get that from

[teal nymph]

it may be advanced conqueror haki

[visual merlin]

where did I get what from?

[proven lion]

He is just blowing into his finger just like he would for a gum gum baloon..

[visual merlin]

g3 is called bone balloon

[split glacier]

It's just around online by using Katakuri and Doffy as Para examples of Awakening

[visual merlin]

g4 is called muscle balloon

[proven lion]

Where did it ever say this

[visual merlin]

idk what to tell you, that's just how its always been

[feral pike]

g5 monkey king

[jovial patrol]

@proven lion That why oda is a genius cuz he already know hehe

[proven lion]

It never stated that I dont think ever

[proven lion]

Okay yeah for gear 4 your right

I do remember that but I'm talking about gear 3 here I dont remember him ever saying bone baloon

[feral pike]

g5 might be the awakening and completely transform himself as monkey king wukong

[split glacier]

Luffy can stretch to 72 gomus. That's what Oda said 👀

[visual merlin]

@proven lion

[feral pike]

wukong = sun monkey

[proven lion]

Lol I dont remember that but I guess

[jovial patrol]

@split glacier what u mean?

[manic relic]

Where did he said that?

[split glacier]

SBS or whatever it's called

[visual merlin]

judging by how doffy talks about awakening, luffy's awakening (if he has one) would probably be making everything around him rubber

[split glacier]

Those things are important ya know 👀

[manic relic]

Screenshot source please?

[proven lion]

That's also what I think as well but that would essentially just be another katakuri

[feral pike]

sun wukong also rebels in heaven

[jovial patrol]

But they don't have the same type of paramecia

[manic relic]

Not special anymore

[visual merlin]

yea they don't

but doffy implies paramecia awakenings change their environment

[proven lion]

We saw that with katakuri too

[visual merlin]

so if we go strictly by his words, luffy either changes the environment or has no awakening

[split glacier]

You'll find it faster than me lol. I saw it in a video ages ago

[pure raven]

I would say that luffys mother is from Lunarian clan just like king . He can use fire in REd hawk then when kaido shot luffy with his boro breath it didn't work on luffy
Plus in the movie where luffy uses red hawk for the first time . He was wondering how did he use flame like ace

[visual merlin]

lots of characters make fire

[fathom matrix]

I think G5 is gonna be an area effect gear. Like every gear gives Luffy a new thing. G2: Speed boost in base, G3: Slow Power boost, G4: A transform. I think G5 will be his awakening, giving him a homefield advantage

[jovial patrol]

Maybe the awakening is something like the
Vulcanization

[proven lion]

Yeah I think people are drawing too much on the fire lol

[feral pike]

Luffy’s Fire was already explained

[pure raven]

How

[visual merlin]

the issue with that being a gear is that he can do that in his other forms Blueberg

[jovial patrol]

Or something like
regeneration

[split glacier]

no

[visual merlin]

there's nothing stopping him from using awakeing (g5 in this case) while being in g2 or g4

[jovial patrol]

i was asking myself with luffy don't gear second in gear 4 he would be quicker and stronger

[fathom matrix]

What I mean by that is, it's hard for the opponent to fight in a rubber like land, and Luffy would take advantage of it further.

[visual merlin]

I know what you mean, but what I said stands

there's nothing stopping him from using that while using g2, g3, or g4

so it wouldn't be considered a new gear if you ask me

[weary cliff]

This is exactly like when advanced coc was revealed, and everything from Asura to king punch was speculated as a version of ot. Hell, even diable jambe

[visual merlin]

it'd just be an ability he has

[fathom matrix]

fair

[proven lion]

Yeah lol but I feel like at first he will implement it into his new gear

[fathom matrix]

Like, manipulating the rubber environment to wrap around him, turning Luffy him into a giant?

[split glacier]

He needs someone to teach him or properly show him. Doffy and Kata were enemies so he either learned it from them and he's holding it or it's still unknown to him

[jovial patrol]

g5 luffy is gentle criminal

[proven lion]

Cus let's be honest what the hell else is he going to do as far as gears? 4th is already pretty op just has a big downside

[jovial patrol]

Bounce air

[tropic cape]

it was in sbs 30 and sbs 47

sbs 30 - O: Pretty far. Right now it can stretch about 72 Gomu Gomus. Luffy was telling me before how he wanted to try hard and reach 100 Gomu Gomus.

sbs 47 - O: Oh, you've come again! Gaimon's son. In "1 Gomu Gomu" there are "10 Fairy Tale Gomu Gomus". And in each "Fairy Tale Gomu Gomu" there are "10 Funky Gomu Gomus" so, in other words Luffy's arm can stretch around 7200 Funky Gomu Gomus. Understood?

they weren't really serious replies

[visual merlin]

personally I don't think he's getting a g5 lol

[proven lion]

Oda mentioned it in a sbs

[visual merlin]

could get awakening but I doubt it'll end up being a gear

[pure raven]

and another thing about luffys awakening
When luffy uses calvrin against doflamingo it keep expanding without stoping
And when luffy use kong organ against cracker and Rayleigh his hand multiplayed which had something to do with the awakening

[split glacier]

How do you know what is serious or not to Oda...Hes not saying random things for the sake of it.

[visual merlin]

Oda made a 4g, 5g joke in an SBS, so I don't take much from it

[fathom matrix]

Yeah, I think the gomu gomu length answer was kinda him kidding or being like "fuck IDK, but there's a limit"

[split glacier]

He said 72 for a reason. Wukong has 72 forms.

[proven lion]

U know alot of the shit he says is very jokey tho... it was a hint forsure lol

[visual merlin]

eh

[fathom matrix]

AH ok. OH I ALSO REMEBMER, there was that one time Nami was drawn as son wukong on a cover

[visual merlin]

a lot of the times the joke is "oh you figured that out? whoops"

or "uhhh noooo, naaaah that's not true"

[pure raven]

Guys

Hear me out

Haki haki no mi

Eaten

[tropic cape]

sure, but I can guarantee that luffy's stretching limit will have absolutely no effect on the story whatsoever.

[fathom matrix]

OH YEAH, speaking of which. When roger mentioned it's been ages since he held another kid. Do you guys agree it's shanka and buggy who he hasn't held for ages?

[pure raven]

By joyboy

Did you know that big mom when she take soul from someone she can revive them back to life

[tropic cape]

you think someone's just gonna step out of luffy's range and the plot will thicken? doubt it

[split glacier]

It's referencing the relation to Wukong. The length isn't important, it's a joke "disguised". You missed the point

[proven lion]

Idk I feel like part of the void century itself is the creation of the devil fruits... otherwise why would we still know near nothing about them that will be end game info and definitely tied to the one piece.

[tropic cape]

well yeah he also said luffy was inspired by son goku who is inspired by sun wukong so it was p easy to figure out. i didn't miss the "point"; i intentionally disregarded the joke bc i didn't care about the joke.

[split glacier]

Cool anyways.

[tropic cape]

if we could figure out how 72 forms could possibly relate to luffy then I'm all ears

[fathom matrix]

I can see maybe the son wukong form being an alternative gear 4th form.

Like "Gear Fourth: Monkey Man" where he's a lot thinner but whenever he uses a move it's always on fire.

[proven lion]

72 is excessive as hell

[tropic cape]

yeah there's definitely not enough time to go through that many lol

[split glacier]

It's not that he has 72 forms...

[fathom matrix]

he might be referencing the 72 forms, to say "yeah, Luffy will get a form, similar to Son Wukong, since that dude can transform"

[proven lion]

We have 6 so far I think but i dont even know how u could get that many and what really will be the difference in each

[tropic cape]

the different forms luffy has already have a sort of relation with wukong considering they're transformations. hard to imagine oda would want to amplify the symbolism

[split glacier]

Tankman doesn't count lol

[proven lion]

Why not

[fathom matrix]

ya mean stuffed version?

[split glacier]

He's just fat lol

[proven lion]

U going to count out snake man too?

[fathom matrix]

Well that's just what it is..."stuffed version" it implies there's a normal version

[split glacier]

Snakeman count

[proven lion]

Weird logic

[fathom matrix]

Tank man's just a more defencive, slow but hard hitting gear 4

[split glacier]

It's a joke form. Luffy being fat doesn't even really happen as he can instantly slim down

[tropic cape]

well he already has transformations similar to wukong's. really any Shonen Mc that transforms is probably similar to one of wukong's forms. wukong is p basic now

[proven lion]

It served a purpose nevertheless lol... and he was indeed not base gear 4

[split glacier]

I just don't see him using it again that's all. I'm just thinking about the animals on the island he was inspired by to create the new forms.

[pure raven]

Is this a break week!?

[peak granite]

nnope

[pure raven]

Why arent the spoilers out yet

[peak granite]

later today or tomorrow i think

[pure raven]

Dont they usually come out on tuesday

Oh ok

[rustic granite]

So there is no break till 1025 right?

My prediction is that Act 3 will end after Ch 1025 comes out

[deep sable]

Not confirmed if there is a break for 1025 iirc

[rustic granite]

Welp

Imo Act 3 is gonna end soon

And Act 4 is gonna be about 15-20 Chapters

Act 5 about 10-15

So in total,about 30-35 chapters till Wano ends

or perhaps even longer

[copper frost]

there's gonna be no act 4 and 5, that time has passed

[weary cliff]

There's no pause now, we're approaching the climax

[tender ermine]

Imo i think wano will last like 20 chapters max.

[earnest atlas]

what do you guys think dragons role will be in the story?

[gilded wagon]

Fuel for Luffy’s continued character development

[neat gulch]

I’m pretty sure there is no break

[grand walrus]

wano takes 4 more years

we never leave wano. the show ends in wano

[surreal oriole]

Seen some interesting discussions on Dragon potentially being Xebec but idk how they got there. Would be interesting though

[ashen bobcat]

That's interesting, would their age match up though?

[worldly anvil]

not one bit

[surreal oriole]

Idk, just seen some people comparing them. I think mainly off looks. What are their ages? I personally think rocks is still alive and on god valley where ever it is

[ashen bobcat]

inb4 age manipulation :^)

[earnest atlas]

we will see rocks in kaidos flashback

[terse fable]

I think Dragon is 55

Rocks would probably be Garps age or older.

[stuck ore]

Theory: spoilers gonna come within the next decade

[stuck ore]

Yeah lile gold roger in oden flashback

Oda really set up a stage for shanks backstory with that sentence gold roger spoke that made shanks cry

We gonna see shanks within the next few arcs prolly

[surreal oriole]

I think we are going to get rocks in a few different flashbacks. He will probably be minor in Kaidos flash back and we get more and more as we learn how important god valley was or is

[earnest atlas]

elbaf

i think luffy defeating kaido will make him a great pirate and it iwill make sense for him to return straw hat back to shanks