manga-theories

[wide star]

then again, oden was immature as hell in his adult years as we saw in the flashback

[foggy anvil]

and it was chap 1006

[supple anchor]

mental age is more of an experience thing, idk how momo can get 20 years worth of life experience from shinobus fruit

[woven python]

marco is weak he lost to bb 🤣🤣

mid timeskip

[boreal oyster]

It doesnt mean he is weaker then king

zoro stomps king everyone knows that :/

[foggy anvil]

he was pretty injured during the fight and king is well

[wide star]

i could see the countdown coming to a head with momo attempting to push onigashima away from the flower capital in his huge ass dragon form while the kaidou rematch happens

[foggy anvil]

yeah but its gonna be tough for him to do that

[boreal oyster]

mhm but still stomps

[split hornet]

Both zoro and Sanji will unlock or master something new i think, in this fight
Because it's a tough fight and Haki becomes strongest then

[foggy anvil]

yeah in a extreme high diff

[boreal oyster]

Chopper’s bounty is 100 and he is on queen’s level

[woven python]

fattest cap

[foggy anvil]

zoro ashura sanji his gema 66

[split hornet]

Queen is choppers bitch

[boreal oyster]

Bro he is

[woven python]

this is the crew strength order

[foggy anvil]

chopper arent even jack level

[split hornet]

Ashura/conqueror's and Sanji something with his body through raid suit

[wide star]

also i'm still a huge fan of enel coming back sooner rather than later, even if it is a stretch - but oda has been hyping up the moon lately and it would be almost fucking comically good timing for the guy who's been chiling on the moon until the latest revelations about skypiea, jaya, and everything else - the roger flashback, hell - to return. we did, after all, just get a chapter talking about the moon and sulong forms :^)

it's a huge fucking stretch but it'd be hilarious lmao

[boreal oyster]

Ashura zoro is scary asf

[foggy anvil]

yeah invisible + diable jambe

[lunar shell]

For sanji is starting already. As for Zoro, he will obv master enma, and maybe awoken his sword black during the end, or simply when fight end his sword will stay black. Its better if this happen in wano.

[woven python]

1. luffy 2. zoro 3. sanji 4.jinbe 5.brook 6. cranky 7.chopper 8. robin 9. nami 10. ussop reply yes if right

[foggy anvil]

robin > chopper

robin manage to took down a tobi roppo

[woven python]

no lol robin nah

[lunar shell]

Lol brook

[foggy anvil]

tell me what did chopper beats during onigashima war

[woven python]

she got nerfed robin monster mode

[lunar shell]

Replace ussop with brook and ok

[supple anchor]

chopper beat a virus, aint no other strawhat even a match

[woven python]

ussop ain’t strong

[lunar shell]

He is

[foggy anvil]

demon child robin defeated a tobi roppo mid diff

[woven python]

brooke is 🐐

[lunar shell]

In long range fight, ussop is invaluable

He saved enies lobby arc and dressrosa arc

[woven python]

ussop loses to arlomg still

[foggy anvil]

yeah but cant land any hits on big mom only his zeus

[woven python]

i think shanks will makr@his move an allie with luffy to defeat kaido big mom

[lunar shell]

Ussop was actually sogeking you know

[foggy anvil]

interesting

[lunar shell]

He is so strong he can become an hero or even a god.

[foggy anvil]

nah he will not unless bb come and shanks will to stop him

[woven python]

nah but ima be real arlong sweeps ussop after all these years

[sturdy hound]

fellas, please move this discussion to #also-manga

this channel should be used for theories only

[foggy anvil]

ok mb

[woven python]

pls stfu

[lunar shell]

Oh boy havent realise it was theory chan mb

[woven python]

@sturdy hound

[sturdy hound]

?

[copper frost]

Just move out of here bro

[woven python]

some teacher ass mf stfu

[foggy anvil]

i feel like next chapter gonna happen about kaido going on enel face mode

because of kaido gonna see a form about himself with luffy being well after getting eradicated

[copper frost]

Again, as mentioned, let's move this to #also-manga

[foggy anvil]

arent that theories

[copper frost]

Is it, you're speculating on the face Kaido is gonna make once he sees Momo in dragon form, that seems less like a theory tbh

[light onyx]

Will momo use blast breath ?

[foggy anvil]

ohh didnt know that

[foggy anvil]

yes and no because of momo having the same df as kaido did doesnt actually mean hes gonna use the same forms since he didnt know anything about his dragon skill yet

[copper frost]

It can be assumed momo can use the abilities Kaido can but with less power and control

Since it's an artificial fruit that was cloned from Kaido's

[foggy anvil]

imagine vegapunk doing a another fruit called ope and let a stranger ate it and gave luffy eternal life and one piece is not going to end

[light onyx]

I think momo will use clouds

[foggy anvil]

two piece

[light onyx]

Hopefully 🙏

[sturdy hound]

guys, just go to #also-manga

[foggy anvil]

kk

[sturdy hound]

ty

[light onyx]

Are the kitetsu swords cursed ?

[foggy anvil]

yeah i think its explained when zoro getting his kitetsu

[sick valve]

all 3 kitetsu swords are cursed

[tawny rose]

Wait so momo is an adult now?

[light onyx]

And his family made it right ?

[foggy anvil]

yeah its confirmed

[split hornet]

Not all

[sick valve]

yeah his ancestor Kotetsu made the Kitetsu swords

[split hornet]

He made Sandai en kotetsu made nidai

[light onyx]

Hmm is he cursed ?

[split hornet]

Would be cool if zoro will get ushimaru his sword

He said he wanted to visit ryumas grave too

[sick valve]

I think Zoro will upgrade from the Sandai Kitetsu

[midnight compass]

I think Luffy need a weapon now

[midnight compass]

Momo faced many difficulty so in war it going to behave like mature and help luffy

[zinc iris]

Momo got robbed of life

[leaden cargo]

buffy next generations

[dusky acorn]

Yeah, void century sounds correct. Whitebeard seemed to even imply Lunarians existed there even before the void century too, since he uses distant past to refer to them preceding the sole existence of Mary Geoise. The time-frame Lunarians spent up there simply encompasses the void century by extension of that, and where their reign was finally put an end.

What makes Lunarians having lived and died in the void century more likely is the fact that they're not known at all to the world at large. Even Marco, who's already a studious individual did not know about their existence. It doesn't seem like they're actually documented in records of history or anything.

Whitebeard and Big Mom are two individuals who handedly knew about the existence of Lunarians, which I can only assume the "when" behind the time Whitebeard started believing the race's existence would have been from Rocks.

Rocks seemed to have a bit of a deeper insight on the world, (if that's also where Kaido's Joyboy knowledge came from), and him letting his crew in on the original existence of Lunarians sort of plays into his discrimination towards Celestial Dragons and wanting to denounce them as false rulers or gods. Him having knowledge like that and what he could have wanted to publically do with it only plays into his threat level to the WG as well.

This chapter definitely granted more merit towards the red line being a natural phenomenon that's been there since forever, or at the very least it's not something the Celestial Dragons had built themselves. This is probably overthinking it, but I wonder if there's any connection between the red line being the colour it is, whilst fire, the element Lunarians can freely control, is also a colour that's often associated with red, or if this observation is just a coincidence.

Oh and for the record," distant past" is also the phrase used from Gyukimaru when referring to the time-frame Ryuma was alive, which I also speculate his life to have been from the void century. It's logical that Wano had to fight to keep their poneglyph knowledge during the void century among other things, and at the same time Ryuma is a very established individual who flawlessly defended the country and made it known that Wano is a place to be feared.

[copper frost]

What makes me wonder is this, what's the timeframe for the extinction of King's race? I suppose that there were some remnants of the Lunarian race still alive, ala King being there but also makes me think that the Lunarian race remained a diaspora without a concrete home after the world government came along and if so, is King an heir to the will of the entire race? I wanna know his attitude towards his people if so, that they lived in hiding and always mobile throughout the world without a proper place for themselves and somehow King is the last person around since the Lunarians might be wiped out since then

It would make sense that over the centuries, King's race lived in hiding since the government was consolidating power and deposed of anyone they deemed a threat, either through excessive force or through carefully crafted propaganda designed for people to ingrain in their mind the dangers of such a race/races coming from the Red Line and then subsequently wipe them away from history now that the majority of the race won't live to tell the tale

[light onyx]

Do you think lunarians came from the moon

[teal nymph]

well the name does has some connection at the very least

[empty barn]

yes

luna in russian is literally moon

[copper frost]

derived from latin

[empty barn]

but which moon tho there were fucking 8

[thick sky]

Someone said that the Japanese germ wasn't directly related to it or smth and it was the translation thing

Term*

[somber sphinx]

where's the Sanji Theories? Also the Lunarians on top of the red line before Mary Geoise kinda go against the One piece theory that the One piece had something to do with the Red line

[empty barn]

its just a theory

[somber sphinx]

its a popular theory

Maybe Sanji's powers are awakening after using the Raid suit? he was never a faillure

[tender frigate]

Or maybe Sanji being a lineage factor experiment has lunarian lineage mixed in

[cyan berry]

if that was the case then all his brothers would also have fire powers

but they dont

[zinc iris]

Also his expected power was invisibility

[velvet edge]

There’s also plenty of times in which Judge saw Sanji use fire but never reacted from it. The way I see it it’s just a comparison between how lunarians are able to conjure fire, and Sanji (and name dropping kings race as well)

[pastel summit]

invisibility is a power given by his raid suit, not inherent to him. I believe the others have their powers separate to their raid suit, but not that pronounced.

[thick sky]

So dropping lunaria was just for hyping king and overshadowing his race and not for comparison with Sanji or that Sanji is from lunaria tribe

[lunar shell]

Exactly

[thick sky]

Yeah my take is that too

[weary cliff]

Sanji says passion is how he uses diable jambe. If he's being sincere, that would explain why he's alone in having the power

[river juniper]

ppl r too annoying w that Lunarian thingy tbh

[forest rampart]

Zoro is a descendent of Ryuma, Luffy is a descendent of Joyboy, Sanji has Lunarian's lineage factor. Accept or cope

[shadow pike]

What if Shinobu is crying because Momonsuke looks like Kaido in human form too?

[zinc iris]

But he was engineered to become stealth black
His color was going to be black but was born blonde, that is the natural color or his parents

[zinc iris]

My cope is that Luffy is not the son of roger

So Zoro isn't born in to the profession either

Kuina was the descendant of ruyma that passed her mantle on zoro

[pallid kayak]

Sup everybody ?

[pallid kayak]

Wouldn't she tremble in fear ? It looked more like tears of joy to me

[zinc iris]

Yeah she was moved

[fathom matrix]

I think she's crying because Momo looks like Oden, and she's proud he looks like him, but also upset that he's grown up too fast, and she's reminded of Oden

[thick sky]

Odin?
Ah Oden

[fathom matrix]

so it's kind of a mix of emotions.

[thick sky]

Yh

[fathom matrix]

i still think Orochi will shit himself seeing Momonosuke looking like Oden, thinking he's come back from the dead, and the scabbards aren't gonna be "fooled" thinking it's another fake Oden

OH, IT'D BE SO COOL IF IN ACTUALITY, IT'S MOMO AND LUFFY VS KAIDO

[modest skiff]

And thank fucking god they didn’t lean into that awful gag

[zinc iris]

i mean expected in-story, that is Judge wanted him to have that power with genetic engineering and such, as Stealth Black predates sanji

[modest skiff]

Ohhhh gotcha, I thought you meant the whole perv angle lol

[thick sky]

Yh

[fathom matrix]

a lot of characters can use strange super human abilities without devil fruits or race traits, like the 6 powers aren't bestowed, they're learned via specific movements, Lucci was able to create a burning finger pistol, and I think that one guy was able to make a lightning blade via his own static electricity I think?

I think Sanji's diable jambe reminded Queen of King's race, but doesn't realise it's just a super human ability he developed himself.

[zinc iris]

you can even argue that peeping was how his mind rationalized his own subconscious desire of having the invisibility power, because it was encoded in him that he was supposed to have it despite the mutation never taking hold

you can even explain his predilection for black clothing

[modest skiff]

I like this

[acoustic helm]

Sanji uses pervert powers

[forest rampart]

Yea Zoro doesnt have to be a descendent of Ryuma tbh. i do agree that it would brings down a bit value of that character. But that also doesnt dismiss the facts that Zoro strived to the top with his own efforts. So i could accept if he's indeed a descendent of Ryuma. And the way Oda portrayed it, he made Garp, Ace and ivankov relate Luffy's CoC at MF with Dragon, a lineage. So i wouldn't be surprised if Oda choose the route for Zoro's CoC (if he indeed have it) to be related with his descendent, Ryuma (if he's a Shimotsuki).

[acoustic helm]

We saw it in punk hazard

[zinc iris]

luffy still is not a marine nor a revolutionary

[copper frost]

Lmfao

[zinc iris]

sanji too has an illustrous parentage, but judge is not a legendary cook

[forest rampart]

it's the lineage thing Entry. Not about him being a Marine or RA

[zinc iris]

instead it's totally about choosing a path

[thick sky]

Tbf one piece never was against Lineage

[zinc iris]

but it's all about chosen family

(with explicit interviews)

[modest skiff]

Perhaps Sanji’s lineage factor modifications are generally tied to the lack of empathy and whatnot. Perhaps Sanji’s specific invisibility genes didn’t express themselves until later on or after a lot of passion because the genetic modifications were “incomplete”. And that’s why he’s otherwise normal but now showing some interesting characteristics

[zinc iris]

well we know his mutation didn't took hold because sora sabotaged the experiment

[modest skiff]

I thought it was kind of incomplete, not entirely prevented? Maybe I’m not remembering right

[vivid cargo]

Personally i dont believe sanjis diable jambe and flames to come from kings race with the main reason of that he fought judge who didnt bat an eye to his flames, judge hated and was disgusted with sanji cos he was a failure etc and if the whole experiment on sanji was to give him god genes and stuff wouldn’t he be ecstatic to see that even tho it took years, his experiments went to plan?

[zinc iris]

well we don't know to what extent it failed, as fare as they tested they concluded sanji turned out a regular human

[modest skiff]

Yeah so that’s why I’m saying it may still be related, but who knows

[zinc iris]

he hates sanji being "weak" in more ways than just prowess

[vivid cargo]

His body feels weird but if thats the god genes activating why didnt he feel weird back in ennies lobby when he first activated the power

[forest rampart]

The way i see it is that inherited will come into play here. Like for Luffy, the will has been passed down from Joyboy (the 1st person to do so), then to some others, until it reached Roger. Then Roger became the PK and created the Great Pirate Age. From there, someone that is an actual descendent of Joyboy will inherited Roger's Will, and will discover Joyboy's Will along his journey, and make both Wills as his own. Garp didnt become a pirate, same with Dragon. Luffy was inspired by Shanks but i think he wanted to become a pirate even he met Shanks. So in the end, the descendant of Joyboy that will fulfill Joyboy's Will is Luffy. But that's just me assuming if Luffy is indeed a descendent of Joyboy tho.

[zinc iris]

he was disappointed the most that he was not a good soldier and was nice to people and liked "servant-like" stuff like cooking

[zinc iris]

luffy is a worthy successor because of his disposition

[vivid cargo]

Yh but even if his son didnt obey him, the fact his experiment works and the fact he can pass on the power he wouldve been atleast a bit excited

[zinc iris]

about the success of his experiment he has 4 functioning specimens already

reiju and the other 3 siblings all turned out as expected

if we want to be deep, we can even argue he hates sanji because he's the reason Sora died

[vivid cargo]

Yh but as far as we know sanji is the only one with kings race’s genes

Being able to pass a gods race gene would be earth shattering compared to the other 4

[zinc iris]

i highly doubt he has lunarian genes

of all 4 at it even

[forest rampart]

Yea true. But i think like there's a set of requirements needed for someone to become a Joyboy, including what you said. Like say, if Kaido or anyone other than Luffy becomes the PK, i don't think that the person can become a Joyboy. The person could only succeed at being the PK and it stops there. The requirement, or one requirement for one to be a Joyboy is he need to have/make a promise with Poseidon, Shirahoshi. if the person has failed at that, then the person can't become the Joyboy. it's the crucial requirement for one to achieve Joyboy's title or become the Joyboy.

[zinc iris]

but luffy bonded with shirahoshi because of his personality alone

again, luffy is the right person for the job because he has the right mindset

blood lineage is basically immaterial to anything of this

[forest rampart]

His personality is one of the requirements. There are many requirements for one to be the Joyboy

The person needs to have all those requirements for him to become a Joyboy

Not just one requirement or else it wont complete

[halcyon talon]

How do we know that its the case of needing to satisfy certain criteria to be Joyboy and not the other way round? Cant it be that one inherits Joyboys will at birth, and then of course qualities would be met automatically?

[weary cliff]

Luffy is Joyboy because he is. He was born with the "requirements" because he was meant to be Joyboy

[forest rampart]

That would be about fate and pre-destination talk but i'm not good at this stuff, so i can't talk about it.

[weary cliff]

I get that. I think we have plenty of evidence for pre-destination with all the prophecy stuff. Key evidence for the Joyboy thing being the Sea Kings knowing he would be born soon. Not that a candidate would fill the role soon

[modest skiff]

Since I originally replied to @cedar sinew with my paranoid insanity cranked to a 10, I'll take a more measured approach to your reply, Shimon. First of all, I agree with basically everything. In general, whenever Oda gives us some new information, my first thought is always "Ok, so how does this actually create more questions than it answers?" because after 1000 chapters, it always seems to be the case. But given the fact we have gotten some legitimately solid info on lots of past stuff recently (Rogers adventures with Oden, etc), I'm starting to wonder if we are ACTUALLY starting to get info dumps.

I agree that it looks like the Lunarians are from the void century. At this point I am starting to think Lunarians were the entire AK or a component of the AK. I still think the prevalence of 8 implies Wano, Alabasta and others were a part of some group. Haven't decided if they were all formally the AK or if they were just the allies of the AK. But I do think Lunarians fit into this somehow.

I have been pretty confident in the idea that Rocks had really good reasons for wanting to take out the CDs. Rocks also being a Lunarian would fit with this. His silhouette may also support this idea. I also think that whatever reason Rocks gave BM, WB and Kaido for wanting to take out the CDs, I think it was a reason that appeared ethical. I don't think BM and WB would both be led by someone who is a bond villain. I think with the info Rocks gave them (the CDs committed genocide and stole land, we should go take it back) was enough to convince them because it was a good thing to do. This would also explain BM and Kaido being sympathetic to Lunarians.

I like your idea regarding the fire/red line. Not sure if it is benign, but good thought. I also like your idea of Ryuma defending Wano during the void century. Through some mechanism, the WG decided Wano was not worth trying to defeat. If Ryuma "defeated a giant dragon", is it possible that this dragon is a metaphor for the celestial dragons? Perhaps the CDs originally took over using some type of dragon? Hard to say.

[forest rampart]

So that would mean only Luffy can be the Joyboy, and no one else can take over the role, same with Poseidon.

[weary cliff]

Yes, I think so based on the way it's been presented

[halcyon talon]

Great argument about the sea King thing

[forest rampart]

Makes sense

[modest skiff]

Minor point of disagreement: If the seakings knew someone would be born soon, it shows they know of future events, which means it could still be taking over a role. It could just be that they know when the person who takes over that role is born.

[weary cliff]

There's no effective difference, then

That's why the discussion doesn't really have much bearing

[modest skiff]

Right, it becomes semantics at that point.

[forest rampart]

i also has the same idea about Ryuma was from VC, from 800 yrs ago to be specific. But databook or magazine stated that he's from 400 yrs ago. Could be that the info is wrong tho if manga will reveal that it's not 400 yrs ago.

[modest skiff]

Oh, thank you for that correction. I still think the dragon he fended off could have been the CDs though, just at a different time

400 years ago is when Jaya got yeeted into the sky right?

[zinc iris]

however a new generation in general was predicted

because ideally you could swindle everyone with law being a fitting candidate all along, or Blackbeard being it but for nefarious ends so you actually have to work to stop him and not just wait for him to fail because he's not the chosen one

[dusky acorn]

I have been pretty confident in the idea that Rocks had really good reasons for wanting to take out the CDs
Yeah, I don't think Rocks just appeared as some evil lunatic to his crew. He was actually clever, and there was real basis and historical knowledge behind his efforts that made sane people like Whitebeard want to follow his leadership

I don't think Rocks was Lunarian of any sort though, even despite him even having a fiery theme to his ship. Reason being, I don't think Oda has been 'indirectly' allowing us to catch glimpses of what'King's race is supposed to look like, without us having even been cognisant of it this whole time.

I think the reveal behind what this race actually looks like boils down to King basically revealing it in one shot. Potentially by Zoro cutting a part of his bodysuit off. I sort of like the idea of King having been a fellow Rocks Pirate though.

I do think CDs at some point had dragons and took control of them. I don't think a dragon randomly flew in to attack Wano's capital. Instead, it was part of the CDs and world's efforts of seizing Wano during the void century when Ryuma was alive. I'm not sure why the dragons would have went extinct from their grasp though. It's not like Ryuma slayed all of them as far as we know. In any case, that's why they' were trying to get Vegapunk to do all sorts of dragon related experiments on Punk Hazard, in hopes of restoring themselves to that former glory in that department.

[rotund palm]

I don't know what you guys are talking but I was wondering will momo travel with luffy after wano? Like oden did with Roger or whitebeard to be accurate

[zinc iris]

just because of that? no

he also has a lot of reasons to stay on wano

we need something better than plain imitation of past dynamics, this is not naruto

[modest skiff]

I don't think we really have enough reason to think one way or the other. It could be that he needs to help open Wano and that part of that involves leaving. Or it could mean staying. Big ole question mark IMO.

Sidenote: It is funny how I have never seen Naruto (I plan to some day), and I feel like I pretty much know the story based on people bashing on it when discussing OP theories lol

[rotund palm]

Yeah, i think so too, wano needs a shogun but I think he will let yamato do it, and travel with luffy, maybe vice versa

[zinc iris]

or both stay on wano because opening it needs every help it can get

anything can happen in that regard

wano people wouldn't just accept yamato like that btw

[hidden oxide]

I think that Momo will stay, but he'll go back with the strawhats at some point later on

[rotund palm]

Yes, Sabo is also captured by marines right?, Maybe luffy for now will leave for that.

[hidden oxide]

We don't know what happened to Sabo exactly, but yeah it's likely he's been captured

[modest skiff]

We don't know, but I hope he is captured. I want MF 2.0 where Luffy wins

[zinc iris]

regardless of my opinion of its quality, yeah i meant the fact that most characters are an enforced imitation of some group that happened the previous generation or centuries earlier

[dusky acorn]

Let's refrain from mentioning Naruto villains and other specifics in here

[rotund palm]

Same, yes, this time not on MF though, on marieJ maybe😁

[hidden oxide]

I just hope he wasn't killed off-screen. I like the theory that king Kobra was killed and they pinned his murder on Sabo.

[zinc iris]

the latest to join will be carrot anyway

[modest skiff]

I'd say 0% chance Sabo is killed off screen

[rotund palm]

Yamato?

[zinc iris]

i really really believe this happened however

kobra got killed to silence him and the murder was pinned on sabo

maybe they also tried to kill viv but failed

[hidden oxide]

That'd explain all the shocked reactions we saw without having to kill Sabo himself

[modest skiff]

yeah that's what I've been assuming too. It seems heavily implied

[rotund palm]

I think 4 people will join after timeskip, we have jinbe, carrot, 2 more will definitely join

[hidden oxide]

If Carrot joins and Yamato doesn't I'm dropping the series

[zinc iris]

I have my doubts about sabo escaping the incident,

my guess is that the GW gave the news that they killed him but secretely captured him, for interrigation

[rotund palm]

I will be pretty sad too

[hidden oxide]

jk ofc, I like carrot but I think Yamato is more interesting as a crew member

[rotund palm]

Yeah, very much possible.

[dusky acorn]

Would the 2 more be already established characters to you? Like say, Vivi deciding to join the Straw Hats for the last stretch of the series after all

Because if we're going off new characters, Wano feels like the last chance to me

[zinc iris]

I just for the life of me can't care about yamato
like the story might try to tell me yamato is important but I'm just "eh", because larping Oden can't be a substitute for a personality

[hidden oxide]

I don't know, "killing" him and announcing it like that would just incite the revolutionaries to attack

[rotund palm]

Yeah, same, I want both to join😝, but Yamato has a luffy like personality, so I don't know oda will make that happen

[modest skiff]

I wouldn't mind Vivi joining the crew if she always stayed behind. But right now it feels like the power levels are just too high for Vivi to really even exist in any raids at this point

[zinc iris]

no, because they cannot afford to risk it on revenge
if they instead announced the capture, the revolutionaries would be motivated to attack to save him

btw carrot has the more luffylike personality of being a reckless idiot

[hidden oxide]

Yeah good point.

[hidden oxide]

but she cute

[zinc iris]

yamato is more someone living on a borrowed identity

the fact that aping oden is a substitute for a personality makes me uninterested

[rotund palm]

It is similar to luffy wanting to become pirate king, but yeah trying to reach a position and freedom is different than to just trying to become someone else, and I think that's where her Character development will happen, there is a lot we don't know about

[dusky acorn]

That's a good take, the power gap alone is a big hurdle against her. She would have already felt behind if she originally joined on Alabasta, and now it's not even like she even spent the two years training like the other Straw Hats

I suppose her story significance always hinged on non strength related things, we'll have to see what Imu wants from her

[zinc iris]

because as long as Yamato's motivation for wanting something is "because Oden did it too" it's just meh

it's not a personal desire

[rotund palm]

I think we will get some Yamato flashback pretty soon, and after oda makes us emotionally attached to her, luffy will drop with momo to help her out

[hidden oxide]

I just think it gives room for his character to grow past that. He'd eventually develop his own personality, borrowing from Oden ofc but not just imitating him. Surpassing his idol.

[zinc iris]

luffy's wish is simple but is his and he isn't doing it to replicate the deeds of another person
he actually doesn't care much about what roger did beside thinking he was a cool dude

[acoustic helm]

I believe after wano luffy will try to rescue his loved ones and in the process he will end up doing what was said at laugh tale and when he will reach laugh tale he would laugh cuz he already found the one piece and didn't knew..

[rotund palm]

Yeah I said that in next line, they are different. But I think she will develop into that line.

[rotund palm]

And if this happen I am never recommending one piece to anyy😂

[zinc iris]

for detail, I didn't mean as a comparison between the two personalities specifically
but that I had more respect for someone having a banal wish as long as it was his

[acoustic helm]

Oh no ,maybe I said something I shouldn't have said

[zinc iris]

even robin joined just because the straw hat crew looked interesting, but it was her whim

meanwhile here we have "because I'm oden 2 you should let me in, you are Ace 2 after all" and it's extremely grating

[hidden oxide]

It's okay, it's just your opinion for the story. I wouldn't like that either but it really doesn't matter. We're all speculating here.

[acoustic helm]

Phew

[short musk]

I think it will run parallel to Roger and the last member will be from Wano (Yamato)

Lmfao I replied to the wrong post

[rotund palm]

I believe Yamato gets inspired of Oden because of his wish to discover the world and how she has also been trapped by kaido. Giving the personality of someone who does not have their own personality or borrows it from someone, that's where I think luffy will come in and will make her realise what she actually wants. Hoping, it is something like discovering the world like oden

[zinc iris]

oden was already satisfied his last will was the liberation of wano

especially, yamato's desire to travel could be just about escaping kaido, which means everything would be re-evaluated when he's defeated

[short musk]

Luffys gonna see Yamato transformed and just ask her to join based off that. He's a collector of the cool.

He doesn't need a good reason. He asked Brook to join based on almost nothing.

[hidden oxide]

Asking Brook to join wasn't based on anything, it was just based

[rotund palm]

Yess, that's why that part is done by momo not Yamato, as Yamato iwill not be an oden fanatic anymore. I don't think it is escaping kaido, atleast from what I have seen till now in last few chapters, it is about freedom to do what she wants. I don't man, she seems like a pretty interesting character.

[short musk]

If you're not satisfied with that then recall the centaur

[hidden oxide]

Ik I'm just joking.

[rotund palm]

Agree on previous point, not on this, luffy has been annoyingly asking for a musician for like 330 episodes, now he has a skeleton musician, how cool is that

[hidden oxide]

He didn't know he was a musician when he asked him I think. He just saw cool skeleton and went "join"

[short musk]

I don't think he knew he was a musician he just thought bone man cool

[rotund palm]

I need to reread , can't remember exactly now

[zinc iris]

marco is a cool phoenix, luffy should ask him to join

[rotund palm]

I would love to see Marco with strawhats, but I don't think that will happen.

[zinc iris]

now you get my post

[rotund palm]

With Marco it is like law, we love him but we also know he will never join.

[short musk]

I think Marco will just watch from a distance and follow WBs order of protection.

[rotund palm]

What?

[hidden oxide]

I just checked out Brooks first chapter. They first see him singing Bink's sake, then they board the ship and Luffy asks him to join. He may have supposed he's a musician but I don't think it's very likely

[short musk]

Rocks D Dragon anyone?

[hidden oxide]

What do you mean? Dragon being Rocks' son?

[short musk]

Yeah

[rotund palm]

Ooo, maybe son in law of rocks?

So rocks become luffy's maternal grandfather

[short musk]

Garp had a daughter Dragon married into the family and took the name. CD were involved in the death of Luffys mom/Garps daughter. Dragon goes full rebellion. Garp is is inside man.

[hidden oxide]

I think it might be interesting. I don't know how the timelines match, but maybe they found a child on Rock's ship after defeating them?

[short musk]

From what I understand, Dragon would have been in his 20s at gods valley.

[hidden oxide]

Oh wait I thought we knew Dragon's was Garp's son, is that not confirmed? I never even thought about him having a daughter instead

[rotund palm]

I don't know, monkey d dragon Marry rocks daughter makes much more sense, I don't know

[short musk]

That's what we've been told. But I'm betting he's an adoptive son

In Japan a man can take his wife's last name and be adopted into the family essentially

[short musk]

I think Dragon looks too much like Rocks for him to not be related

[rotund palm]

Yeah that part, tru

[hidden oxide]

That might make sense. But I don't like that every character has to have a blood relation to really important people so I hope it isn't true

[rotund palm]

I don't know man, with ryuma and zoro parallel, confirmed and everything

[short musk]

I think that's the way the story's going regardless of how we want it to be. Feels like everythings connectes in some way.

I the the D are all much more closely related than it appears

[rotund palm]

I mean yamato essentially announced she wants to travel with luffy, luffy denying crewmanship to capable individual, is bit ....

[latent trout]

Ayo kinda mega scuffed edit but....

[short musk]

You realize his hair probably grew 20 years with his body right? He probably looks like Madara.

[ancient vault]

nah oda doesnt work like that

[opaque pivot]

Hope his hair is super long

[latent trout]

Actually shit u right I never thought of that. That sounds sick.

Wait what happened to his teeth then?

[split glacier]

Older Momo aint got the same muscle mass as Oden

[lunar shell]

Y he is thin

[fading thorn]

does momo have pubes now that he aged 20 years?

[split glacier]

Weird

[mild crag]

I figure the fruit would ripen him into a physical peak at 28 to be honest. ripe ripe kinda suggests you wont get a deformed flower, or a stubby off coloured banana, it seems more likely to raise you to your best concept, or base it off your lifestyle perhaps, in which case momonosuke would probably be strong because he is very dutiful and liable to train hard over the next 20 years

[crisp stump]

Visualized thoughts on Lunarian's foreshadowing/origin, would love to know what you think of my wasted time! Also would love to hear your theories.
https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/pde38y/one_piece_ancient_aliens_theory_chapter_1023/

[true tusk]

i saw a theory today that said sanji was potentially modified with kings species dna, and maybe it kicked in later but it also would ruin sanji for me

[cyan berry]

whys that

[crisp stump]

reverse bioengineering from races that can produce sparks, fire, electricity, poison into the kids seems like something an evil scientist would do.

[cyan berry]

@crisp stump dont use other series as references

[undone heart]

I believe that Sanji will not have lunarian dna from the Germa 66 dna experiments because that would basically be a big middle finger to Sanji's characer

[crisp stump]

oops my bad

[grizzled fog]

Why?

[last halo]

Lmao, the imagine the marines reaction to that. Not only is Luffy the sworn brother of Ace and Sabo, son of Dragon, grandson of Garp, but also grandson of Rocks.

Sengoku must look at Garp like "wtf, man"

[eager solstice]

I think its because what sets him up as better than his siblings is that he became strong on his own, despite his supposed "human weaknesses"

That's he just a (heavy quotes here) """Regular""" person.

But I don't think it would ruin his character personally

[grizzled fog]

The main thing that sets him apart from his siblings is his emotions, with the exception of Reiju his siblings are emotionless monsters. And if Sanji’s enhancements did only kick in now, its not like it’d override all the hard work and how far he’s come without them

[grizzled fog]

As long as Sanji maintains his emotions and his passion, it’s fine imo

[eager solstice]

Yeah I'm with ya

How did Reiju keep her emotions again? She had surgery instead of being born with it right?

[grizzled fog]

iirc she was the first child, so Judge only decided to remove their emotions after she was born

[queen arrow]

no she was born without emotions

and was taught to have emotions by her mother

[copper frost]

What's the panel? As far as I remember, it was never stated as such?

[queen arrow]

vivre card

there's no real explanation given in the manga as far as i recall

[grizzled fog]

https://onepiecethenewworld.files.wordpress.com/2019/08/vivre-card-databook-12-11-1.png

[queen arrow]

yeah what i said

[copper frost]

[queen arrow]

?

[modest skiff]

Oh I would totally love this. It would improve Sanji for me

Mostly because I thoroughly enjoy every detail of King’s character and design

[dusky acorn]

I value character design very highly in what goes into liking a character, so I also agree, but that's neither here nor there

[dusky acorn]

Concerning that theory, it's actually the first thought that came to my mind personally, even without seeing others speculate it. It's clearly because that's what was sarcastically said by Queen, the fact that he thinks a regular person shouldn't be able to combust into flames unless they're lunarian

In any case, I don't think it would ruin his character necessarily for me. In fact, there's a chance it can be presented in such a way that it can actually strengthen what went on in WCI

It would instead make Judge wrong on both accounts, on a moral and scientific level, instead of just the former.

Sanji is able to inflame himself due to his emotions and passion, he even restated it this chapter, so there's no doubt about that. That's why Judge would have been wrong to take them, feelings are key for certain people such as Sanji to be strong in battle

Judge having been wrong at his own game of science here would of course come in with him thinking Sanji didn't take in any of the hypothetical Lunarian DNA he was supposed to. Perhaps it was put in his lineage factor in such a way, or on a minuscule level that it could only spark due to those exact emotions

[modest skiff]

Oh heck yeah, I love this perspective. Judge...misjudged the situation and missed out on a significant scientific breakthrough in his work.

[modest skiff]

This is what I was starting to think too. I think after a certain amount of growth both physically and emotionally, he started unlocking fire stuff. At one point he just had a flame at the tip of his foot. Eventually Oda started emphasizing the fact that his entire leg is basically burning hot red. I started squinting a bit when they zoomed in and showed that he was burning hot, not just the tip of his foot, but I didn't pay it proper attention. Oda tried to show me and I didn't see it..arg! At this point, Sanji is like a flame wheel of destruction. It feels like he's beginning to fully mature.

Luffy has used red hawk and other people have used fire attacks in the past. I think its conceivable that Queen/King are aware of the fact that not everyone who uses fire is a Lunarian. But they may look at what Sanji is doing and they're like "hold up. That's actually quite a bit of fire."

Sorry for all the pings, I just have an easier time compartmentalizing my responses to individual thoughts

[dusky acorn]

I knew about techniques like Hell Memories where Sanji can now generate much more fire than at first, but I never noticed there was a gradual progression in how much flames he generally has on Diable Jambe over-time. That's a great catch if true.

King/Queen's scepticism being grounded in the actual volume and consistency of his flames is possible. They might not go around accusing every fire utilist they meet in the series lol, but Sanji has a particularly big, perpetual flame that he seems able to leave on for however long, unlike others with fire abilities in the series where it's ephemeral, (Luffy and Kata for ex).

It feels like it fits so well to me if there's Lunarian involved for Sanji here, even just looking at the colour his respective raid suit represents. Stealth Black, and at the same time Lunarians seem to have a dark colour scheme going for them too, at least judging from King's wings

He would have even had black hair I suppose, if his modification went perfectly

Also dw about that lol, I've never gotten mad at someone just for pings before, it's nothing big at all

[fast hollow]

👍👍👍✌

[modest skiff]

I won't pretend I have a set of panels to cite, and I honestly don't want to go find them, so I will say approach my perspective with skepticism. But for whatever it is worth, I have noticed a progression in the extent of Sanji's flame capacity/volume. I feel confident in my memory, but without anything to cite, feel free to label it a question mark. Perhaps others will comment to correct/enforce my memory.

Good point regarding the black suit. It is possible that Judge had close experiences with Lunarians and perhaps he did it as a shoutout to them.

Glad to hear you don't mind pings. As you can tell, I can snort One Piece theories 7 days a week. Some people are like "stop pinging me or I will shoot you" xD

[fast hollow]

You are a great leader 🤝

[sacred hawk]

So you know how Kaido turns the skies black when he appears?

What if to contrast against Kaido, Momo turns the skies gold when he appears in dragon form?

Then when, Luffy appears for the final round against Kaido, he descends riding on Momo, who appears from a sky that suddenly turned gold, like a new dawn.

[visual merlin]

the skies only go dark because of clouds

[sacred hawk]

When Kaido first appeared in Dragon form, the skies suddenly darkened even though it was a clear day

[modest skiff]

IIRC in the anime the clouds are dark themselves

[true tusk]

maybe the lunarians are people of passion or something? like they’re abilities only work on a certain level. this would open up the idea for me, sanji would be unlocking this strength on his own, rather than him just randomly getting them cause the modifications magically reappeared or something. i guess it really depends on how oda would go about it

[modest skiff]

I don't think it is a coincidence that King is deadpan emotionless except for when he is fighting. I think emotions heavily influence King/Lunarians fire abilities

[true tusk]

yep, and potentially it didn’t work for sanji as a child because he was taught to be emotionless, even if he wasn’t able to be what judge wanted him to be, he still tried to repress his emotions. i think joining luffys crew and the connection he shared with them sparked these inner emotions. he first uses diable jambe in enies lobby where robins life is at stake, and maybe his fire burns hotter as his love/détermination for his crew grows

[dusky acorn]

I like this idea. When we cut to seeing King having generated the most amount of flames in the series yet, he incidentally happens to be in an angry or passionate state, if you will, at all the Beast Pirates who betrayed them

[vivid cargo]

Guys i have a question, why in the colour spread does it look like oda drew katakuri with whitebeards df?

[true tusk]

it’s his power mochi

[vivid cargo]

Oh right did his df always look like that?

[true tusk]

yep it’s his power donut things when he makes the donuts and ty eu make huge fists

u can see the donuts behind him

[vivid cargo]

Ahhh right i must’ve forgotten cos all i could see is whitebeard and maybe a foreshadow that hes luffys whitebeard😂😂

[true tusk]

could be, u never know with oda

[vivid cargo]

Yep true i guess

[teal ivy]

My theory is Kurozomi Zoro will be the hero of Wano.

[teal ivy]

And then people’s view on Kurozomi’s will start to change

[upbeat mist]

we have tama for that

[dusky crest]

What y’all think ab the lunarians

And the connection to germa 66 cuz he only started feeling that when he put on the raid suit from germa so what’s up with that 🤔🤔🤔

Maybe his mom or smtg was part of the lunarian race but also maybe sanjis dad input lunarian dna into sanji, cuz remember sanji dad was once upon a time working with vegapunk so this level is technology is not just mere speculation

Germa is so advanced that they were already creating fake humans and shi

[sterile flicker]

Its def tech that he stole off Vegapunk. There's no way it doesn't turn out that Vegapunk is somebody like insanely special.

[dusky crest]

Actually that might be true

Vegapunk is so mysterious tho yk

Cuz he can make “things” into devil fruits

[modest skiff]

Read above. me and Shimon discussed this

[sterile flicker]

he could be Lunarian for all we know, or he could be someone ancient who had the op op fruit done on him, literally could be anything,

[dusky crest]

Who we talking ab here? Sanji dad?

[sterile flicker]

Vegapunk

[dusky crest]

Oh shit maybe

Oh yeah that’s true cuz to know what the op op no mi does u gotta do it first

[ancient vault]

the devil fruit book exists

[tropic sedge]

Mono will die, little game theory

He will die and Yamato becomes the Shogun of Wano

He is one of the only people rn to be able to fight kaido and not get 1 shot

But like back to it, As momo will match kaido with Luffy and Yamato kaido will lose the 3v1

Big mom will lose to Kid and Law but Hawkins being a bitch let this theory down but I believe Shanks will come in

More of a fan boy thing but no way with the current people Vs big mom and kaido that big mom and kaido will lose

So like gotta be a 3rd party and the " we are close to Luffy being PK " means we will have 1 or 2 more arcs so like

[fading thorn]

we need shanks and blackbeards arc tho

[sharp cairn]

800 years ago 20 kingdoms formed an alliance to overthrow joyboy ruler of the ancient kingdom and were successful. The "D" stands for "destined" meaning one of the D members will rightfully take back whats theirs and fulfill joyboys promise

[fading thorn]

i feel like 20 has some meaning but im not smart enough to research

[halcyon talon]

Probably not

[weary cliff]

at least not anything vitally important

[pure raven]

does anyone know why this chapter cover goes 12354 instead of just 12345?

chapter 82*

[halcyon talon]

Possibly an error?

If not idk there could be something to it. What was the chapter/episode about?

[dusky acorn]

Are you planning on theorizing something in regards to this? If not, the other manga channels are more appropriate for these sort of questions.
I'll answer quick for you anyway though. It jumps to 5 because the theme of the numbers is to represent Straw Hat join order. He put Sanji as the fourth person on the page to draw even more attention to their corresponding numbers, as the 5 being there would normally stand out and feel abrupt, but it makes sense as he was 5th to join the crew.

[halcyon talon]

Oh makes sense

[pure raven]

oh alright thank you i guess that makes sense

yea it had something to do with a theory i was making up in my head and thought maybe theres a hidden meaning behind it, thats just why i was asking; mb if i asked in the wrong channel

[halcyon talon]

Sooo in chapter 957 sengoku was talking about roger and garp vs rocks pirates, then he talked about how he the island "God Valley" disappeared without a trace.

He said
"In fact, God Valley vanished without a trace. The island that the world government wanted to hide... disappeared without a trace. Do you still want to hear more about it?"

But this one things been bugging me, and its that what sengoku said could be interpreted in two ways imo. Either the world government was successful in hiding it and thats why it disappeared, or when the world government went to hide it they realised that it had already disappeared somehow.
So what do you guys think?

[rigid helm]

i think it just disappeared somehow

[pure raven]

Do you still think this?

[spice grove]

Yes

[pure raven]

Alright gimme a few minutes to read it, just wanted to know if you changed your mind since it's been nearly a year. Im pretty intrigued tbh because it's probably the one out of all these that's hard to believe just from the title alone. ill let know my thoughts when im done brb

[dusky acorn]

Nothing about recent manga events as far as I know would have effected the theory in any notable way regardless

There was Maria's showing Robin mere illusions of Clover and Olvia, as well as finally getting Robin's first panel on Baltigo island, but both are inconsequential to further proving/disproving the theory really

[amber oar]

If we stick to cause and effect, yeah, it's completely unrelated.
Still was akin to the Oden ink clone moment. Another reminder that the dead don't come back

[dusky acorn]

I guess if you analyse what Oda was conveying in that moment like that again, I can see the merit

It's also possible to spin that moment in support of Su Long's theory though, thinking about it

Could be the reason she wasn't deceived at all is because she knows they're alive, however they're of course back with the revolutionaries, and don't look like they used to because of age

As for the tears Robin showed, they were probably part of the act either direction you argue from, but with the theory's stance they'd additionally be fake because she already got to experience her actual emotional reunion with the real people, prior

[ancient vault]

you can still drop the theory ^^

[thick halo]

Here is a funny thought I just had about the original 5 straw hats. Assuming zoro is descendent of ryuma, we have the following possible
Luffy, son of dragon and grandson of garp, zoro descendent of sword god, sanji germa prince

Then it’s possible ussop is a descendent of Nolan the liar and Nami’s parents could also be same important family or whatnot. Who knows celestial dragon for Luls.

Not that I want it this way but I could imagine it being that way. All of the original East blue is some sort of famous destiny family

[ancient vault]

Nami has been theorized to have some special ability related to her heritage/family bloodline in the past beecause of the way she can predict wheather

It's def nothing outlandish imo but not Celestial Dragons. Btw Sanji could also have Lunarian genetics in him.
Nami could have relations to another tribe/race we don't know off too

[slim moat]

Usopp is already special. He is son of Yasopp. I know many waiting for Elbaf arc to see Usopp moments. But Shanks arc can also be emotional/special for Usopp and Luffy.

[silk rain]

Yo @modest skiff just something for your sanji theory, in the Sora Warrior of the Sea comic, it showed all the color schemes of the germa commanders, but the only germa commander whose color scheme changed was Stealth Black's costume, or Sanji. And like @dusky acorn said, each element was assigned to their respective raid suits, but Sanji's was changed darker while Lunarians have a dark color scheme as well. And looking back on the comic, the only difference sanji has with the OG stealth black, is his fire technique, which may have come from Judge's research AFTER the Sora Warrior of the Sea comic was released.

So I'm basically saying that Sanji's raid suit is the only different raid suit from sora warrior of the sea comic, hinting that the dark color scheme could've been added on purpose because of another reason, like a lunarian mod, which explains the dark color scheme

sorry i was gonna post this earlier during ur discussion but my wifi cut out lmfao

[thick halo]

Yeah I actually think it’s pretty likely at this point that All off the East blue 5 is some Royal family or other such elite bloodline etc

Not my preference but Whatever. Oda makes such a big deal on one’s own actions and each character earned and worked for so much. I just don’t understand the appeal of referring to some special family or whatnot.

[ancient vault]

Me neither
Well I get it for sanjis character and also for luffys.
Zoros I really dont understand why its needed

[thick halo]

I just don’t think it adds anything to their characters. If anything it distracts for me. Alas it’s something I just ignore because I don’t find it compelling or relevant. The characters are so great regardless

[ancient vault]

Well its crucial for sanjis character thats undebateable

[queen arrow]

i don't think we ever see those images from the comic in the manga

[queen arrow]

i might have bought that if not for the dialogue with Brook later

[silk rain]

yeah i think its only in the anime

[fervent halo]

Oda we need an explanation for this , i am not satisfied with the reason that it is his passion flame

[queen arrow]

I on the other hand, am very satisfied with it

[thick halo]

Instinct

Actually I do wonder if that luffy panel was a precursor to observation Haki. Would be amusing.

Probably unrelated but I could believe it if Oda said it was

[modest skiff]

This is great, thanks for bringing this up. It’s gonna be totally hilarious if we’re completely wrong about this Lunarian thing and Sanji doesn’t have a deeper reason for suddenly being a fire bender extraordinaire

[brisk jungle]

Vegapunk either looks like this

Or this

[ancient vault]

A mix of both. We saw his head and also that beard I think

[brisk jungle]

Please let dragon be garps son

[amber oar]

That contradicts her first reaction tho. She did drop tears before recovering her composture

[winter stump]

when is chapter 1024 coming out guys

[supple anchor]

probably thursday night/friday morning

[brisk jungle]

I like garp being luffy grandfather

[modest skiff]

Well Vegapunk was born in the same place as this guy so in my eyes they are likely related in some way

[light onyx]

Probably not since luffy looks like garp at age 60

And that’s probably by dna or smtn

[short folio]

I think we gonna see kaido vs Momo ??!!

[teal nymph]

yo do u think momo could be the same size as kaido in this human form as both of their dragon forms look almost similar in size ?

[grim stone]

we already got a panel of Momo's slender body form, he isn't Kaido size, more like regular Samurais of wano. Oden, Kinemon etc.

[teal nymph]

but him being like oden is much more acceptable given shinobu's reaction

[grim stone]

Tall, athletic body.

Might not be heavy muscled like Oden, but Samurais in Wano are tall.

[pure raven]

Does luffy beat kaido on next chapter

[rough kernel]

No 💀

Probably In the next 20 chapters.

[dusky notch]

Only after all the commanders are done and probably a kaido backstory.

[dreamy bobcat]

Yeah luffy beats kaido and kaido ends up joining the straw hats these guys have no idea what their talking about

[rotund pond]

We gotta see him beat Kaido soon right? Shanks still “needs to make his move”

[tropic sedge]

Homie this is one piece, nothing just happens

[acoustic helm]

Are we ready to see momo looking as oden ❓

[earnest atlas]

anyone else thinks that we might see rocks during kaido's flashback?

[ancient vault]

Definitely

[light onyx]

Maybe not his face but probably something important he says

[ancient vault]

Nah I think we'll def see his face. How else are we gonna explore Kaidos time in his crew

[sturdy hound]

!theories @lone mauve

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using #manga-theories for any joke theories you may have. This channel is strictly for serious discussion on the realm of possibilities one truly believes in, and can explain in a manner that conveys why. Please consider this a general warning.

[earnest atlas]

we will probably see why whitebeard joined rocks aswell as big mom

[lone mauve]

should i ask this question in spoilers or manga?

[sturdy hound]

preferably nowhere, but i will answer you, no she didnt, he probably resembles oden

[forest rampart]

We know that Oda invented Supernova during Sabaody Arc. We know that SHs are the main characters. While it's true that the words of "powerful pirates leading the next generation will come swarming into the New World" refers to Worst Generations, I think it's just something Oda decided to add later because of his "new" idea behind creation of Supernova. And I think that the words "If I am dead by then, they will be the ones to strike down Kaido" focused more on SHs rather than LLK alliance. While it's true that there was also Toki's prophecy about the shadows of Nine Scabbards will bring a new dawn to the world, I think that is another story since Red Scabbards are part of the main story for Wano itself. So what I have in mind is that while it's true LLK + Zoro n Killer did fight Kaido (and BM) earlier, but I think that words is more about who will strike down/defeats Kaido later. Since Law and Kidd are fighting BM, I think that the word "they" (that will strike down Kaido) refers to the SHs themselves, or rather who will be at the rooftop at the end game. You can say it'll be Luffy and Sanji since Sanji might be in better shape than Zoro. But I'll say that "they" will be Luffy and Zoro. (I'm a ZKK believer, so.. )

[lone mauve]

ok thanks

[fathom matrix]

I think "they will strike down kaido" will probably just mean they'll be responcible for taking him and crew down, not directly all at once killing or defeating him in a final fight.

I have a theory that the final fight, will be Momo and Luffy vs Kaido.

I can imagine that when he's defeated, Momo will be the first one maybe to appear along with Luffy, with Kaido's body, saying that he's been defeated, AND because momo's 28 years old, they'll believe he's aged naturally and be happy that the son of Oden (who now looks like Oden) has defeated kadio and saved wano

[wooden topaz]

maybe 50 chaps again

[weary cliff]

I think the next chapter starts a new volume. Hopefully it contains the Kaido flashback

[forest rampart]

Someone has to defeat Kaido, so.. And "1 vs 1 always bet on Kaido". And how many times Luffy has lose against Kaido now? While you can say that Luffy also lose 2 times against Crocodile, but the way Oda portrayed it in 1vs1 thing, I believe that the author want it to be at least 2vs1 fight. And Luffy has lost 3 times against Kaido now (before Udon, on rooftop/ragnoraku, and get thrown into the sea by Kaido). Red scabbards are responsible for finding allies that can fight Kaido for Kozuki Clan. And they did find SHs (and Law). Red Scabbards, Kinemon was aware that SHs, Luffy will be the one that will defeat Kaido for them. Oda didn't create magic minks medicine for nothing (and he decided to give it to Zoro). He always surprised his readers with his so-called hack writing. I'm sure that there's something up his sleeve behind the minks medicine.
As for Momo, if that small eel that has become a big dragon now can now defeat Kaido, why wouldn't Momo asked Shinobu to do that 20 yrs ago? I believe many fans will be disappointed if Momo can defeat Kaido now. And I believe that Oda dont want to disappoint his readers so much that it would affect the sales. We've seen Numbers that has a big size. Despite their size, they're still fodders for SHs that they can defeat each of them in one shot.

[obtuse void]

Imagine Buggy mastered to atomic size split and use haki armanent and just kill someone by walking through them

[cyan berry]

Momo didnt have the fruit 20 years ago

and neither did shinobu probably

[pure raven]

Momo shouldn't be able to use Ryu all of the sudden
His raw strength should be stronger but his willpower should be the same

He should be the one to take down Orochi since hes got one more head left and an Orochi type calibre should be enough for Momo IMO..

[fathom matrix]

I don't think Momo can defeat Kaido but he can help and deal decent damage. I don't think that just because he has his dragon fruit and is older, means he's Oden level, but it would be a waste if he only got older to just fly Luffy up to the rooftop and that's it (maybe he can take down Orochi, cause let's be honest, he's not dead)

Plus, Kaido's been fighting 16 people now, so he's got be exhausted enough for Luffy and Momo to take him down. That, and they both recovered to a degree for them to attack a dude, who let's be fair, hasn't taken a break.

Plus, just because it would be fun, it'd be a shame not to have a double dragon fight.

[pallid blade]

spoiler when

[rotund pond]

Read a really good theory that Kaidos flashback will involve the former empress of Amazon Lily

[fathom matrix]

oh?

[dreamy rune]

I mean kaido already fought scabbards,supernova and now he is fighting against Yamato. So it's possible this time for luffy to defeat kaido because if he lose again than the raid is going to fail. And as for is it gonna 1 vs 1? well maybe he get assistance from Marco, Yamato and (maybe momo) and then in the climax fight he is going to 1 vs 1 and defeat kaido.
Note: I wouldn't say luffy defeated him in 1 on 1 when he got lots of help from others during the fight.

[acoustic helm]

At what lvl is momo(28yrs age) at ❓
He has almost no fight skills nor does he control df well...

[acoustic helm]

20 yrs ago momo didn't had df

[fathom matrix]

Plus, it's serious battle. At the end of the day ya gotta put ya pride and fairness aside and go all in and get some help to beat someone as a team

I mean, Luffy wouldn't pull any sleesy, manipulative tricks at all, he's not like that, but if he needs help and can't beat an opponent himself, he will have backup (as seen at the start of the kaido fight)

[fickle thunder]

I'm not sure how much hp is left for kaido . That dude is fighting a lot

[fathom matrix]

I'd say after a few more hits from Yamato and Luffy, some strikes from momo, he's almost at his limit, and Luffy is gonna get the final blow.

[fickle thunder]

Shinobu df mature things right, only physical ?

[fathom matrix]

most likey yeah. I think she said that momo would still be mentally 8

[fickle thunder]

Yeah that's true . I was thinking whether skills count as physical or emotional

His physical prowess could have been matured too , to some extent

And it would be fun to see the weakness cpO was talking about the df

[stiff patrol]

I just realized when whos who is talking about how the gum gum fruit was stolen by shanks from a navy ship he lost his job and was put in prison. Is it possible that the gum gum fruit was important to the navy in some way???? Could the gum gum fruit be linked to the giant straw hat in majeroia which we know was joy boys. Does this mean that the gum gum fruit could have been joy boys devil fruit

[fickle thunder]

Could the gumu gomu linked to giant straw hat isn't confirmed yet

After that part , your questions are vague speculations

I think gomu gomu no mi has some better properties when it's awaken or some troubling thing which marines aren't comfortable with

[weary cliff]

"Is it possible that the gum gum fruit was important to the navy in some way????" This is pretty heavily implied by the little stinger at the of the chapter. We don't know why it was being moved by a CP9 agent. Could be due to historical relevance, some kind of power, some dumb reason or whatever. I think it's both tied to the VC and has to do with the awakening. This whole thing is set up for Luffy's power up in the next big arc

[frigid oxide]

spoilers?

[sand sail]

@frigid oxide We have a channel for spoilers. Please only ask there.

[frigid oxide]

i cant type anything there

[sand sail]

Then we don't have any spoilers out

[frigid oxide]

ohh okay

[forest rampart]

Yea I agree that Momo can deal some decent damage to Kaido, but only if he has boro breath or other abilities. And I doubt that damage would be enough to take down Kaido but I dont want to speculate further on that so I shall stop here.
As for Kaido being exhausted, that's not really how it works in OP for both protagonists and villians. While it's true that Luffy has healed himself by eating some food, it doesn't mean that it will be easy to take down Kaido now. You can argue that Kaido doesnt bother to heal himself from the damages he has took but it was the same other antagonists Luffy has encountered in the past. If the author make it's easy for the protagonist to take down each antagonists every time, this series wont last this long. It'll be like super sa*yan thing but shh.. that's os
Yea it would be a waste if Oda dont show us a dragon vs dragon fight, I agree.

[stiff patrol]

This suggests revolutionary arc is next along with blackbeard since burgees was involved with destroying their base

[forest rampart]

Still no 1vs1 for the last fight imo. And I doubt that Marco will fight Kaido since he said he's not interested to fight Kaido but we'll see.

[sand sail]

This implies getting to Laugh Tale, not the Revolutionaries

[fathom matrix]

That's fair, BUT kadio has to get a little tired at some point. Mythical and ancient zoans are powerful and have quicker recovery times and what not, but I doubt they'd have infinite stamina and never get tired.

[forest rampart]

Kaido'll be exhausted during his next fight with Luffy, that's a better writing imo

Like he's not already exhausted now, but he'll be exhausted during the fight

[fathom matrix]

Momo won't do incredible damage of course. He might have access to the same powers kaido has, but he might mess them up at times and be like "I'M JUST GETTING USED TO THIS POWER, GIVE ME A BREAK!"

Also, I think the Yamato fight will tire him out and he'll admit that the fresh scar he got from Zoro and those conquerors strikes from Luffy caught up with him, thanks to Yamato extra stikes, but nothing extreme or major

I think with everything he went through, Yamato will "soften him up" before Luffy and Momo fight him

[forest rampart]

Also, I think the Yamato fight will tire him out and he'll admit that the fresh scar he got from Zoro and those conquerors strikes from Luffy caught up with him, thanks to Yamato extra stikes, but nothing extreme or major

I agree and can see him admitting this

[fathom matrix]

You think Luffy's conquerors moves will be called "black"? Like they're upgrades on other moves like "Gum Gum Black Hawk" or "Gum Gum Black Rifle"

Or maybe since it's conquerors, he might call them "king" or "emperor"

[forest rampart]

Dont agree with "black" name, it's too plain. But nice idea on "king" and "emperor" name. If he wont use both latter names against Kaido, I think he can use it for the last fight before he becomes the PK, which will be against BB or Shanks.

[dreamy rune]

I don't see any other character that can help luffy to fight against kaido other than the character I mentioned above comment. Zoro and sanji are busy fighting king and queen and all that's left is jinbei, franky Robin and brook. The only one I think that can do decend damage is jinbei imo. But then again I don't think he will go there to help since he believe that his captain will be able to defeat kaido.

[forest rampart]

Well, we'll see.

[dreamy rune]

Look I'm not saying that luffy will be stronger than kaido after he defeats kaido. But I believe after wano he should be strong enough to 1 vs 1 against a yonko.

[fathom matrix]

Yeah no, he won't he'll probably be admiral level or is admiral level, but not Yonko level

Like, if you had him and kaido rematch, both back to full health, fresh start, he loses.

[stiff patrol]

Why on earth would the biggest war be laugh tale? It makes much more sense for it to be the revolutionary arc especially after the events that just went down at the reverie

[sand sail]

Because it's been foreshadowed repeatedly?

In fact, outright declared at Marineford. Why would you think the biggest war is going to be anything short of Laugh Tale when One Piece's discovery is supposed to throw the world into untold chaos?

[weary cliff]

The final war will inextricably be linked to LT and the One Piece, but I'm skeptical that the island itself will be the theatre for the war

[proven rivet]

Final war will be at Mariejois

That way the line can be broken

[mild crag]

My theory is, the government jealously guards every fruit it can, because of how dangerous it can be for even a single one to find its way into the hands of their enemies.
Plus we have seen how merciless they have been with failure, CP9 got hunted after ennies lobby as well.
After all, look what one white mustachioed man did with his fruit.

[weary cliff]

Yeah but that's boring and doesn't add anything to the story

[mild crag]

we don't need every last piece of the story to be off the wall exciting. If anything was important in what he said, it was confirming where shanks got the fruit, and talking about the sun god.
It seems very unlikely that both the sun god and the fruit will be big twists, and much like with the father situation (with many early theories assuming he would be the son of roger somehow, then the bait and switch revealing ace to be not him) . I would not put it to oda to be so blunt and plain as to say his fruit was anything special.

and I am unsure, but I believe it has been referenced before that the fruit is in fact quite difficult to use, luffy had to train for years to even make it viable, and his mentality and creativity have been what have carried him to the new world. If it suddenly became revealed as special, it might disenfranchise that success in some way

[weary cliff]

In a shonen manga where we get a twist reveal about the main character's power, you can bet your bottom dollar it goes somewhere. It's absolutely unimportant to learn where Shanks got the fruit unless that's a bridge to something else

[mild crag]

Oda answers smaller questions all the time. Not every reveal is some shocking event, many are small bits that show how truly connected his world is, which is part of what makes one piece set apart from other shonen manga

in which the literal millions more copies sold than its peers should be indicative that it's not your average shonen

plus again, the big reveal of who's who is definitely the sun god. Stacking two reveals in at once is generally abd practice in storytelling

[prime bluff]

Can we add oda in this chat
And this chat will be over in a day

[weary cliff]

It's successful and often unconventional, but let's not pretend Oda doesn't hit the major shonen beats. You can say not ever reveal is impactful, but this is far from your ordinary reveal. Only time will convince you, though

[mild crag]

alas, he is too busy drawing busty women
||God I wish that were me||

[prime bluff]

You are oda

Simply playing cool all along

[mild crag]

only time will tell if either of us are right, I can only say what I consider the classic story beats. Besides someone notable in the past having the fruit, there is little else that is likely to be shown. He's rubber, that's about it. At most it'll be something like, roger had the fruit, and tie into inherited will, though that seems too easy for oda

[mild crag]

hahaha
so funny
very good joke

how silly
oda would never be in this chat!
why would I not be hard at work with my manga

his!
his manga! I am not oda

[dusty island]

SPOILERs for 1023 || its gonna be a 3v1. ||

[prime bluff]

Even you can't lie

But don't tell where one piece is

[ancient vault]

https://twitter.com/sandman_AP/status/1432006632997670919

sandman (@sandman_AP)

I'm surprised official Viz didn’t translate the line of Ushimaru being 大剣豪 (Dai-Kengou: great swordsman) in the latest chapter. It’s important because only him, Mihawk and Ryuma are called Dai-Kengou in all chapters till now. Zoro's dream is to become the strongest Dai-Kengou.

Twitter · Aug 29, 2021, 3:46 PM

https://twitter.com/Argarni0/status/1432007277649833985

abdulrahman algarni (@Argarni0)

@sandman_AP Vesta is called dai kengou in his vivre card

🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 Wb crew is on another level

Twitter · Aug 29, 2021, 3:48 PM

Wouldve taken this more seriously if vista didnt have that line too

[queen arrow]

don't do my man vista like that

we all know he's a great swordsman

[pure raven]

I would have loved seeing him on Wano

[crude spear]

theory: marijoa either sits on the place where the kingdom of the blank century was at, or is the remnants of said kingdom having been renamed. Additionally, I believe this is the identity of the "kingdom of gods" whitebeard mentions

[ancient vault]

I think we might see him in Shanks arc

[pure raven]

Hope Jozu taggs along

Including them on Wano would have shaped the power balance

[forest rampart]

oo nice

[pure raven]

Hey guys what's your thoughts on the Blackbeard theory

[undone heart]

<3

[olive quail]

Put this in after last chapter. Really relevant this chapter

[midnight compass]

Yaa and mamo now become a mature dragon so it will suit also on current condition

[fathom matrix]

yeah, he might have 3 devil fruits.

People are suggesting instead of 3 souls, he does have a weird body, BUT the reason he doesn't need sleep, is because he has the Tako Tako No Mi (Octopus Octopus Fruit): Model Kraken, because Octopuses only need 30-40 seconds of sleep, AND it's so small and insignificant, it's like he doesn't even sleep.

Plus, Zoans carry over their effects to the user's base form too

[slate zodiac]

Goated

[modest skiff]

I still think the easiest explanation for BB’s fruits comes from the fact that the Yami is able to deactivate other people’s devil fruits. Lends to the idea that he could internally manage which fruit is active at a given time.

[midnight compass]

If this us true then why admirals have devil fruit and if they have then why all soldiers don,t have df...

[pure raven]

there is a species of octopi called the mimic octopus so what if he doesnt steal the df but mimics it instead

[fathom matrix]

That's true, though if it is a kraken, I'm not sure if that would be it's special ability. Then again, I got to see what the kraken's capable of.

[mild crag]

because they clearly failed to secure these randomly occuring fruit mostly snatched up by pirates and black market trade. Yet they still seem to have a legitimately sizeablenumber of them when they can just throw 3 snake themed ones on slave girls. In my opinion it would be madness to consider the government anything but jealously protective of any and every fruit it can get its hands on, it has literally massacred entire nations before for standing against it, not exactly a very relaxed group

[ancient vault]

He had both fruits active at the same time in MF so thats out of question

[pure raven]

what does having one eye mean in swordsmanship ??

[cyan berry]

Nothing

[modest skiff]

I think the Yami would necessarily be used when suppressing other fruits, so I don’t think it’s out of the question yet. He could be using the Yami to confine the fruits to certain parts. But I’m not gonna pretend I am confident in any of this. But definitely prefer it over the kraken theory lol

[pure raven]

he has 3 hearts or something

there are other theories that suggest that he might be one of the people from a lost tribe, the one which pudding is said to be from but all that is too far fetched. Maybe he has already eaten a fruit that allows him to absorb another human into him, thereby he has 3 hearts and can stay awake for so long and can also take in multiple dfs

[modest skiff]

Swords don't have hearts and neither do tea pots

Souls maybe makes sense but hearts makes zero sense

[waxen dust]

Bai Ze

[modest skiff]

One of the theories I can appreciate are things involving 3 eyed tribe. I also think the Bai Ze stuff is super juicy and more likely accurate

From the brief research I have done, Bai Ze seems very likely. But I need to dig deeper.

[short musk]

My theory revolves entirely around Garp having a yet to be introduced daughter, Luffys mom, and that Dragon is only son in law and Monkey D Dragon by adopting their family name and throwing his name, Rocks D. Dragon

[shadow pollen]

break week this?

[light onyx]

Ohhh so he had a daughter instead of a son and she married rox son that’s pretty interesting and cool

[light onyx]

No

I think shanks is rox’s son

[shadow pollen]

wow oda gonna do 4 consecutive chapter wow

[short musk]

Yeah, Taking the wife's family name happens in Japan sometimes.

[shadow pollen]

i think its bb i think bb carries on rocks will

[short musk]

Because we in the end game. Kaido gonna drop.

[shadow pollen]

[light onyx]

Hear me out shanks is the brother of imu

[shadow pollen]

sure

[light onyx]

ALSO

I think Bb had a traumatic childhood which was so bad he didn’t sleep what if he was in debt to rox and when rox was defeated he wanted to carry on his will and blames the emperors for rox’s defeat

So his first victim was wb

Also he might have spent all his life studying the yami yami no mi and knew everything it could do

[shadow pollen]

i mean he carries roxs will acc to me...also do we ignore tha fact that wb felt uneasy sending ace to pursue bb? i think its pretty clear roxs prolly had the yami yami no me

which is y wb was scared of the fruit as he had seen its true potential

[light onyx]

I don’t think bb is Rox son do you ?

[abstract owl]

He was 2 yrs when rocks died, is in WB crew and ships name is saber of xebec. Might be the son of rocks ?

WB picked him as a baby on godvalley ?

[light onyx]

I mean if he was the son of rox maybe wb may have ignored that and called him his son like ace however don’t you think big mom and kaido may have had a reaction to him

Or Oda didn’t show their reactions

[abstract owl]

probably but WB might have raised him in secret. We really cannot know until we get some flashback

[light onyx]

Yup

[abstract owl]

Rocks will probably be revealed in BB or kaido back story.

I align mostly towards the first

[light onyx]

Didn’t kaido have a debt to bm

[abstract owl]

yup that dragon df I guess

[shadow pollen]

its being theorised that gomu gomu no mi was actually joyboys's fruit...so luffy is carrying that fruit and joyboy's legacy...thats what being theorised after the whole who's who incident...so i mean cant it be possible for bb as well? carrying what almost certainly was roxs fruit

[light onyx]

Maybe that saved his life

[shadow pollen]

*fish

[abstract owl]

the shadow fruit ?

It is weird why a dragon fruit is called fish

[light onyx]

What if there’s another battle like god valley where bb goes against coby and luffy

[shadow pollen]

bwahahah another secret? welcome to one piece

[abstract owl]

God valley might be rafteal or some secret island

[shadow pollen]

nah i mean it wud ruin it for luffy if he has to take another person's help to beat bb and become pirate king...also sounds quite plausible tho coz we know oda does everything in parallels

[abstract owl]

It is connected to celestial dragons which is weird

[light onyx]

God valley was where the slaves and cd resided right ?

[abstract owl]

imu hates both luffy and BB. They might team up to defeat WG and fight later. Similar to what happened with naruto and sasuke after defeating kaguya.

[abstract owl]

CD reside on red line. We do not know the exact details

[light onyx]

Ohh

[abstract owl]

that holy land

[light onyx]

I think the worst gen will make a giant alliance ( without apoop yuck) and go against the world government

[shadow pollen]

yep....almost certainly (tho i wud hate the attention oda will prolly pay to the other worst gen member hmp)

[abstract owl]

There will be many allies in final war.

[quaint dove]

WB picked him up when Oden was with him way later

[abstract owl]

There is no wonder even if some admirals join luffy

Like the blind guy and aoikiji

[light onyx]

I don’t mind if we get more attention of other members I wanna learn more about booney

[abstract owl]

There are too many worst gen members tbh.

[light onyx]

Aoikiji will most likely die or be beaten to death

[shadow pollen]

i mean luffy will surpass every person ever known when the final war occurs....how it can be done on such a large scale without powering up imu sama and gorosei i cant see-.........

[shadow pollen]

aokiji i think is a revolutionary

[abstract owl]

Idk if gorosei are much of a fighters

[light onyx]

When bb finds out he’s a traitor and he tries to fight against him bb will win and kill aokiji

[abstract owl]

do not forget dragon and his army

[light onyx]

One guy has a sword but is probably really bad with it

[abstract owl]

They might not be as strong as the admirals

[shadow pollen]

i mean by the time the great war occurs luffy will prolly be abt to beat all 3 admirals by himself or with minimal help...then whats the whole point of a big war? we need more ppl on

[abstract owl]

but gotta see

[shadow pollen]

justice's side lmfao

[abstract owl]

akainu will not go down so easily

there is also commander kong

[light onyx]

I think dragons really strong but can only take on like one admiral

[shadow pollen]

eh idk :/ also vro imagine luffy beating all admirals..prolly bb as well and having a tuf time against akainu wudnt make much sense tbh

[pure raven]

The admirals are still the strongest. Even stronger than Kong

[shadow pollen]

have u like read the theory abt dragon originally being an admiral??

[chilly dragon]

inb4 all of Wano's citizens get to see a Dragon (Momo), their Wolf Diety (Yamato), and a fucking Nioh (G4 Luffy) defeat Kaido and stop Onigashima from crushing the flower capital.

[light onyx]

No but that sounds interesting

[abstract owl]

I found one fan manga reviere 2 it is really cool

shows some theories on imu and void century

[shadow pollen]

read that i cant find it search for it bro its legit cool

[heady parrot]

my favorite theory about rocks is that he’s luffys paternal grandparent and garp his grandfather from his moms side. making dragon rocks’ son. it would also make luffy the product of two families that carry the initial D. in their names. i’m totally ready to be 100% wrong on all that but i enjoy the theory nonetheless.

[abstract owl]

There are some theories of luffy mom being a celestial dragon

[light onyx]

Sus

[pure raven]

Idk about Luffy being Rocks grandson but Luffy doesn’t look like Dragon at all… it’s just weird to me

[light onyx]

How’d this guy know what dragon would become within 6 years

[heady parrot]

that’s true but i feel like Oda has gone out of his way to show off the innate similarities between Dragon and Luffy, enough so that I believe he’s Luffy’s father (booger picking scene etc). If Garp isn’t Dragons dad, but instead the father of Luffy’s mother, then it’d make why Luffy doesn’t look like Dragon make sense. Maybe he took after his mom in everything but hair color (assuming her hair isn’t black too, which it could be). This could set up a lot of potential for a killer Dragon / Garp focused flashback sequence.

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/l1j9hj/luffys_hidden_lineage_anime_ep_958_for_content_ch/

[pure raven]

If I remember correctly Garp never called Dragon his son right?

[split glacier]

Don't believe so but neither has Dragon called Luffy his son.

[pure raven]

Pretty sure Garp said smth like „I heard you met your dad in Logue Town“

To luffy

[split glacier]

Yeah but that's not Dragon.

[pure raven]

[light onyx]

I mean garp is a marine and dragon is a revolutionary

[split glacier]

You said Garp never called Dragon his son. I'm using the same thing for Dragon to Luffy

[acoustic helm]

Guys what do you think about momo's strength now..

[heady parrot]

Garp does refer to Dragon as Luffy’s dad. And I trust Garp.

[split glacier]

They haven't said it but we know it true

[acoustic helm]

Why didn't garp talked to luffy about luffy's mom

[split glacier]

I don't think he became magically 10000x stronger but he's probably mildly useful.

[split glacier]

Oda don't care about mothers

[acoustic helm]

He lacks skills and doesn't know his abilities too

[heady parrot]

he’s bigger and probably has more muscle mass but doesn’t know how to use it so is pretty much nami tier rn

[split glacier]

Yeah. Mildly useful like...Usopp lol

[heady parrot]

Usopp will get his moment in Elbaf and I’m certain Oda will make it great.

[acoustic helm]

Point is ,if dragon not son of garp then garp won't just reveal dragons name only..

[split glacier]

He's not Garp's son but he's Luffy's dad?

[heady parrot]

he revealed dragons name because luffy had just declared war on the world government and he was mentioning the fact that luffys dad was a wanted criminal, too.

[split glacier]

I think people are trying to make theories out of nothing. Garp, Dragon, Luffy, all related. End of.

[fast hollow]

Luffy is son of im sama and dragon

[heady parrot]

did you read the whole theory i linked?

[split glacier]

People will literally say anything lol

[fast hollow]

Like you😂😂

[split glacier]

Just you 👍

[honest ingot]

does anyone have translation for the last 2 vivre card databooks?

with the Marco bounty and Rogers sword

[fast hollow]

Roger sword = ace

[honest ingot]

I know every major point, but Id like to know if there is a full translation

[tired osprey]

Maybe arthur? Otherwise check out the vivre card threads on worstgen/apforums

Or use search for when the translations were posted in this server

[honest ingot]

not sure if vivre cards are posted here or not

[acoustic helm]

Man how did we miss the..
Monkey D.

Monkey D. Garp
Monkey D. Dragon
Monkey D. Luffy

[dusky acorn]

Why would Teech have been blaming the Emperors for ultimately losing with Rocks though? I understand WB at least betraying the crew at the final bout of God Valley is a theory, but from Blackbeard's own words he genuinely respected Whitebeard when he was young

It's never stated at all nor hinted that such a long-time grudge is the reason Whitebeard was targeted, if anything it was for his fruit

[zinc iris]

BB wanted quick access to power with strong DFs

[queen arrow]

he liked Whitebeard because he was strong

[light onyx]

There were 3 strong people ppl in one ship they all weren’t the type to serve under someone

[waxen dust]

BB was impressed with that manly WHITE BEARD

[light onyx]

This led to the downfall of the rox pirates

Lmfao

[fathom matrix]

well, Luffy in his 60s looks a lot like Garp

[dusky acorn]

Let's keep the lid on random jokes, so it doesn't set an undesirable precedent for the general atmosphere in here

[dusky acorn]

Yes, the Rocks Pirates were a rowdy bunch, but how do we know their chaotic dispositions actually lead to the downfall of the crew? Or did more harm for them than good in the end

Seems like an important thing Sengoku should have noted when he was going over the events of God Valley

Instead, he noted that the good guys actually needed the utmost manpower they could possibly have, with Garp/Roger having to team up. Until further notice of what we see in Kaido's flashback, he, Big Mom and the rest could have fought to the bitter end, or at least close to that

They didn't even have to fully respect Rocks to see dudes like Garp and other marines I'm sure they dislike, and actively want to fight them

[modest skiff]

I will continue to be a Rocks apologist and point out we don't know they were THAT chaotic. We just know there were internal killings, which may have been an abnormal event. The fact remains, I don't trust a WORD Sengoku says

[acoustic helm]

I came across a guy who questioned why momo dragon becoming bigger with momo's age...
According to him shinobu's fruit shouldn't have matured the zoan transformation of momo...
This brings a new question that on what factors is the zoan transformation dependent on ❓

[crisp bridge]

I mean we‘re looking kinda too much into it tbh

Imo its just nature lmao you grow with the age easy as that

[modest skiff]

Zoan transformation growing with age feels entirely normal and appropriate

It would be more weird if you zoan'd into a fully grown animal when you are a child

[acoustic helm]

But it also depend upon the species too
For eg mouse zoan won't grow that much with age

What about Marco's phoenix size

[crisp bridge]

We‘re going to see Momo as a grown in the upcoming chapters. Shinobous reaction saying that he looks like … [oden] kinda says it all that she made momo older. I know what you‘re saying and dragons also arent born with their gigantic size lmao they grew too. So do birds/phoenixes. But mices dont grow that much if that makes sense. So its still about nature and growing up in general for me

[acoustic helm]

I am on page on this but the guy argued the age parameter for paramecia and logia ability too..

I told the guy the df is still a mystery.. and we don't know how zoan transformation actually work ,so it's a grey area..

[crisp bridge]

Yea i can see that and ik that you’re explaining from his point of view

I think the DFs go along with your own age. It grows with you since its a part of you ykwis? Like Chopper

He‘s going to look way different than now in the future and was looking different as well compared to back then

[upbeat wasp]

The only thing I find weird about a different fruit that age you. Does it give you your prime physical ability or the average ability or a weak version of your ability. Like if beginning Luffy aged up two years because of a devil fruit does he still get the same buff body that he got now or do he just get a average body.

[tiny hatch]

cause it shouldnt make momo any stronger

and I wonder if it matures his brain also since we saw the marines from bon's fruit crying as kids

[upbeat wasp]

Yeah so even if he is older and his dragon form get bigger he still won't have any skills or abilities at all .he literally just going to be able to fly and that's it mostly because he never really trained with his DF

[tiny hatch]

but its also could be an inherently powerful devil fruit ability

It also seems that if you as an individual are strong the df matches that strength like sabo, blackbeard(arguable since he observed WB for so many years), kaku etc

As oden's son he may very well have a very strong body and be a natural genius so maybe his df would be stronger than we thought but at the same time I have a feeling momo looks more like his mom

[cyan berry]

@tiny hatch no other series references please

[upbeat wasp]

For sabo, BB mostly they knew what the DF did and had an idea on how to use it before getting it. Momo I think would try to copy all of kado moves seeing he was there to see how and what he been doing.

[sacred hawk]

What do you think Yamato will do when she sees Momo's adult form?

[weary cliff]

Surrender his role as Odin, maybe?

[upbeat wasp]

i still running with Momo going have new Nine Red Scabbards and Yamato is one of them.

like how we got the Straw Hat Grand Fleet, Wano could have a fleet to back up luffy when need still letting Yamato join luffy crew but also be in wano to help open and protect from attacks now that its open. (using text to speech)

[dusky crest]

Yamato literally said that she is going to sail the world with Luffy

So there’s no way that’s happening. Momo will be the shogun for sure and he will have his own followers, but Yamato will be sailing with luffy for sure.

[sick valve]

Yeah Yamato is only staying until Wano opens up its borders, she wants to realize Oden's dream

[errant oxide]

Any theories on what’s going to happen with Sanji?

[silk rain]

His fire, or his "odd feeling" since he used the raid suit

[rugged ruin]

guys

ive made a theory about monkey d dragons fruit. i think he has the weather weather fruit

it may sound stupid bc i base it off one thing which is that dragon saved luffy from smoker in loguetown

and how when luffy was about to get killed by buggy the execution stand was struck by lightning

and i think that oda wouldnt just do a bs plot armour save with no meaning

and also how he is a master at foreshadowing

[sand sail]

That is very much Oda's style

[rugged ruin]

its 3am wtf am i doing lol. gnna go to sleep now

[glossy robin]

Ye I think its weather too

[shadow pike]

Can we rule out that that wasn't Ener saving ruffy?

[covert hazel]

I don't understand that sentence

[silk rain]

I think he might mean enel but I still dont understand

[vestal orbit]

maybe the silhouette that some people thought was enel

though hiyori the silhouette had no part in saving luffy

[silk rain]

Yeah its gonna play a part in the future... I've heard a theory that Hiyori will give momo his sword cus it isn't on him rn

The last chapter might've proved it because if Momo looks like Oden and he uses his sword, something cool might happen between him and kaido

[neon shoal]

I know sanji will be extremely happy Yamato will be joining luffy

[dusky crest]

lmaoooo for SUREEEE

[onyx rover]

am i the only one who lowkey thinks the captain of rocks had the gomu gomu no mi last

it would explain why the navy was transporting it

if someone from the old era was to have it, i think it would be the captain of rocks (it doesnt make sense to me for roger to have it)

plus the rocks captain sounds like a shit dude, so he would kind of be the opposite of luffy

[dusky crest]

Yeah no way roger had it, but the captain of the rocks??? Now thats a bit of a stretch bro

To me, oda's gonna either pull out an op devil fruit or really good "special" haki, and I dont mean conquerors btw

[pure raven]

what do u guys think about sanjis DJ?

[dusky crest]

dj? what is that

[pure raven]

i mean the fact that he can produce fire

[dusky crest]

oooh, yeah hes for sure a lunarian

i think its either from his mom's side or genetics that his dad put into him

[pure raven]

yup not into the lineage factor theory

[dusky crest]

lineage? The lunarian lineage or smtg else?

[pure raven]

maybe judge is a lunarian who knows

[dusky crest]

But he used to work with vegapunk tho, so hes technologically advanced enough to do something like alter sanji's dna

[pure raven]

its the theory that his father tampered with his genetics

[dusky crest]

yeah i fw that one, it makes sense

[pure raven]

but i think that would erase all of sanjis development

i mean the whole point was that hes normal

[dusky crest]

Yeah but would it really tho?

[pure raven]

yes

[dusky crest]

because he still worked for it its just a litttle extra power

[pure raven]

yup but not normal

[dusky crest]

Does he have to be normal to have development? He could do smtg like control the power

[pure raven]

i want him to see kings and judges eyebrows swiiiiirl

[dusky crest]

lmao whattt

[pure raven]

sorry dunno what i wrote

[dusky crest]

hahaha

k i gtg now byeeee

[pure raven]

lol i have a timer wtf.. what i mean was that the swirly eyebrows could show a lunarian herritage and that i wish king and judge have swirly eyebrows like sanji xd

byee

[sinful gale]

since there was a implication of foreshadowing in chapter 301 cover
I went ahead and checked multiple cover pages.
I found one that looks very fishy. Everyone is pointing somewhere in the map. Any thoughts on this?

[covert hazel]

I think colour pages are just nice looking ideas Oda thinks of

[queen arrow]

it's just a color page, they're pointing in the map because the theme of the page is planning new adventures, planning somewhere new to go

[silk rain]

oda sometimes hides stuff in them tho

[sinful gale]

maybe where usopp is pointing is elbaf?

[queen arrow]

no

[covert hazel]

When?

[queen arrow]

firstly, the map bears no resemblance to anywhere we have seen in the one piece world

secondly, i'm pretty sure that all of the "color page foreshadows" are just big reaches and people inserting meaning in to stuff retroactively

[silk rain]

nah i dont think the map has anything to do with it but people have used usopp's helmet in this cover spread as a reference to elbaf and his final goal

[queen arrow]

what's the foreshadowing?

[silk rain]

I think he's likely referring to 310

[sinful gale]

i mean 310

[queen arrow]

oh this one? this is faaaar from foreshadowing

[ancient vault]

wdym

[queen arrow]

Oda has literally said he has been wanting to drawn a old japan style arc for a long while

[ancient vault]

A kozuki clan symbol on the samurai clothing. Many couldve easily guessed that the bird wluld be a symbol of a clan in wano

[queen arrow]

he was obviously just taking the chance to draw, and if this is about the dragon there have been other covers with dragons as well

[ancient vault]

Oh u mean momo

[queen arrow]

i doubt any of this is foreshadowing in any way

[silk rain]

that is one hot take

[queen arrow]

it's more just, Oda wanting draw it like the other color pages

[ancient vault]

Nah the kozuki symbol is

[timid trellis]

have we gotten chapter 1024 spoilers ?

[silk rain]

^chap 959

[sinful gale]

im just looking for some speculations as what could that cover page be foreshadowing?

[ancient vault]

okay now i wouldnt call that foreshadowing

Im saying the existence of a clan with that particular swan symbol was foreshadowing

Not the entire outfit. That was likely just a funny call back

[queen arrow]

i think it's more likely that he just reused the design than it being foreshadowing

[timid trellis]

have we gotten chapter 1024 spoilers ?

[ancient vault]

it already foreshadowed zoro getting a sword named enma

[sinful gale]

how?

[ancient vault]

No and also dont ask here. Ur gonna see !!! next to the spoiler channel name if they are out

[timid trellis]

ok

[ancient vault]

Hes holding a treasure map who has a sword image on it and under there is written "Enma" in japanese

[timid trellis]

but damn momonosuke was amazing

[ancient vault]

This was I think 14 chapters before he got enma

[sinful gale]

damn

there is a north bird and everyone is point in the opposite direction. Could that mean something?

[queen arrow]

how do you know it's a north bird

[silk rain]

oh i was showing the bird on the chap 959 clothing

[dusty island]

New theory spoilers||in a few chapters yamato will be fighting with luffy and momo but either momo or yamato will be taken out ||

[proven lion]

Hmmmmmmmmmm

[gloomy canyon]

fyi, you don't have to spoiler tag in this channel. All content up to the latest manga chapter is allowed to be discussed

[proven lion]

That's a hot take I doubt momo is dying tbh and yamato too she GOTTA become next straw hat I wont have anyone else

[gloomy canyon]

taken out doesn't mean dying

[proven lion]

[gloomy canyon]

just defeated I presume is what they meant

[proven lion]

I hope that's the case

[dusty island]

I meant deafeted yo

[modest silo]

Oden went to Laugh Tale with Roger. Yamato says he's Oden. I see a similarity.

[zinc mauve]

Possibility: What do you guys think of the idea that there’s a 4th unmentioned ancient weapon? Seeing as there’s currently 3 known weapons, each corresponding to land, sky and sea respectively, how about the 4th one being space?

There was this bit in SBS 72 (a bit of a reach maybe 😅), but there are 4 things in that soup!

https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/SBS_Volume_72 Chapter 712, Page 26

[proven lion]

But... the only reason oden went is because he was one of the only people who could read a poneglyph yamato is not needed for the same reason... though I do enjoy yamato.

[hazy ferry]

which is why it's perfectly in line with yamato finally doing what he wants. His journey may parallel oden's in that he also sets sail with a prominent pirate but it doffers in that he'll probably goign for his own dream: leaving behind his past as kaido's child and finally being able to leave onigashima and seeing everything rhe world has to offer. Because look back on when everyone else joins, it's never because of their role. Sure, they were looking for said role and the crewmember matched it, like chopper and maybe franky, but even then the main reason they join is always because of their own desires. So it doesn't really matter what yamato's role would be, as long as he's joining because it's his desire to

[hazy ferry]

Replying to this btw

[proven lion]

Fair enough but isnt yamato a biological female? Or am I trippen

[hazy ferry]

Yeah but he identifies as a man so i mean, who am i to deny that?

[modest silo]

Yall think we're bouta have a Sabo rescue war arc or is Sabo dead dead?

[proven lion]

Fair lmao I didnt realize looks super femme still so it's hard to tell though I guess we havent really seen a trans woman in one piece yet.

[modest silo]

Don't wanna be the a-hole but Ivankov is kinda trans right?

[silk rain]

bro i think we should leave ivan out of this discussion 😂

[exotic echo]

Kiku, but these aren't really theories are they

[proven lion]

Yeah but she is a male turned female I dont think we ever had female turned male

[modest silo]

Ivankov, I feel like a male today, wait nevermind.

[proven lion]

Yeah sorry... offtopic just blabbering

[modest silo]

God Valley arc for Luffy and Kurohige?

[proven lion]

Would like a new age god valley where they take out blackbeard yes... it would make sense, I think especially if kobi is the new age garp

[modest silo]

I think the Shusui is going to be used to kill Kaido. Since Shusui was used to slay the dragon, and Enma used to scar a dragon. (Wasn't related to the reply above my bad)

[silk rain]

Can I ask yall a honest question for a theory that im coming up with

[proven lion]

Idk I think it will be either Enma or ame no habakiri

[modest silo]

Wassup

[proven lion]

I also think it will be momo who does what his father couldnt and deals the lethal blow with the help of luffy and yamato of course

[silk rain]

Wanos geography is very weird and each region has an entirely different climate and environment, and they are all seperated by "borders" of water. We all know that One Piece is known for having new islands on every adventure and it never feelse exactly the same. A part of my theory is that Wano is actually a set of different islands that were placed together.. Im not gonna say much more abt the other proof of this theory but do u guys think this is possible at the least

[supple anchor]

i dont think kaido gonna die. Kaido wants to die and typically the villains in one piece dont get what they want once they lose

[silk rain]

its just a small part of my theory that im working on

[modest silo]

Seems plausible, maybe throw Jaya in the mix?

[supple anchor]

its possible. Oars was known as the "continent mover" or something like that

and Wano definitely has some connection to the AK and the VC

[proven lion]

Idk it seems like a stretch unless I had some reasons as to why... I feel like oden said something important though that wano was once connected to the rest of the world and I think that also means the rest of the world was once connected, so with that being said that old ass theory about the one piece being all the oceans being connected is adding up for me, kind of old news I know but I was re watching the oden flash backs in anime form.

[silk rain]

yeah i have some more proof i just need to put it all onto one paper and ill let you guys know, its just a small part

[modest silo]

Imagine All Blue is part of poseidon.

[proven lion]

Morj also broke it up pretty well recently lol some of his theories seem like stretches but that one in particular made sense to me though it wasnt even his. The all blue is connected to the one piece itself.

And btw we know what Poseidon is.. its shirahoshi

[modest silo]

Yeah but what if Shirahoshi can use the All Blue or something...

[silk rain]

technically she can make it

[proven lion]

Well I think she is probably going to be the one who commands the sea kings to leave the calm belt

[silk rain]

actually nvm i was thinking of something else

[proven lion]

But that doesnt mean that all oceans are connected... there is still the red line, believe all of the grand line and red line shit is un natural in context to the rest of the world, which is why I always thought it was man made.

[modest silo]

Zoro probably has the rinnegan at this point.

[tawny terrace]

Sup

Hello

[proven lion]

Lmao.. yeah idk theres just alot that doesn't really add up about the grand line and red line, they are the only ones of their kind but the real question is how in the hell they got there, was it imu???? I dont see anyone having that kind of power in one piece.

Hello scooter mcgavin

[tawny terrace]

F

[proven lion]

[tawny terrace]

Happy gilmore reference

[proven lion]

[tawny terrace]

Any cool theories?

[proven lion]

The one above is one I've been thinking about the most.

[hazy ferry]

what if oda hits us with yamato being the second to get 2 devil fruits somehow(since we still dont know how bb does it, maybe yamato just accidentally does it) and thats how we get yamato with the nikyu nikyu or neko neko no mi

[modest silo]

BB maybe has two souls or something. One is Rocks which came with Yami Yami maybe?

[proven lion]

Idk I feel like black beard is able to do it because he has more then 1 soul somehow which is how he is able to always stay awake..

[modest silo]

One is Teach other is Rocks... imagine?

[proven lion]

There wouldnt have been this many small hints to him being able to not sleep if he wasnt already inherently weird

Idk about the rocks thing I just think he was born with 2 or 3 souls or personalities

I dont think there is a way he could have inherited his soul anyways

His will maybe but I dont think it goes as deep as souls

[exotic echo]

the soul stuff is a little weird. have you heard about the kraken/octopus theory?

it's probably the only one I think holds any merit

[proven lion]

Yeah I've heard that it makes sense I suppose as well but the fact he might have multiple hearts is also just as weird

[exotic echo]

it is definitely weird all-around. none of the theories are ones I think tread much water, but the kraken one just seems fitting & interesting

[proven lion]

Yeah with the whole flag thing it does have the most backing so far forsure.

What do you guys think crocodile so desperately didnt want ivankov telling everyone?

[exotic echo]

i honestly believe it was a gender-swap from ivankov. that's generally considered a meme, but seriously, what else could it possibly be that ivankov is aware of and croc dislikes him for

other "weaknesses" croc could have would just be in relation to his devil fruit or his loss to whitebeard, which should both be generally accessible information

it'd need to be something very personal for only ivankov to know, and if those two have history, it's like... what else could it be

[waxen light]

I think only the crocomom thing is a meme. Gender-swap has always been on the table tbh

[proven lion]

That's what I think as well there was a very interesting drawing from one of odas sbs that also points to it but yeah idk it's interesting forsure

[waxen light]

especially since Oda keeps not showing Croc in the past.

[exotic echo]

yeah the mom thing is what the real meme is, but I think the gender swap is actually reasonable

all things taken into consideration

[proven lion]

Yeah lmao it is kind of weird now that I think about it oda hasnt showed his past not even once huh..

[waxen light]

Well it's not even that, it's the shots of Croc in the past but from weird angles

[exotic echo]

btw take a peek at when he did the warlord childhood pics.

relatively androgynous croc here

unclear what gender

[proven lion]

Yeah could go either way if u ask me there

[stuck tulip]

🤣

[proven lion]

That's always been on my mind tbh especially after I rewatched impel down not too long ago.. I feel like every warlord thus far we know enough about their backgrounds with the exceptions of kuma, crocodile, and I suppose mihawk

[past river]

so about half

[proven lion]

Well only 1 if u consider the other 2 weren't necessarily a main arc villain

Not yet atleast

I mean the straw hats had encounters with mihawk and kuma but kind of short lived.. crocodile on the other hand had a whole main storyline arc.

[narrow rose]

Is it possible that sanji has lunarian heritage who are arch enemies of king's race ('Solarians' maybe), or that King himself is a Lunarian?

[proven lion]

Idk about sanji being lunarian he shows no signs of it other then he catches fire lol we otherwise have established he is from the north blue and of royal blood aka germa

Unless u can convince me otherwise

[stiff patrol]

Who do you guys think will be the final straw hat members? After we get some straw hats from wano, I don’t believe there will be any more because they wouldn’t have enough development time (unless they had already been introduced in the series)

[drowsy marsh]

I don't think Yamato will join. I think Vivi will join.

[narrow rose]

Vivi has a chance to come back but I don't think she will since she doesn't have much of a role to play

[narrow rose]

Vivi doesn't have any combat ability and neither does she have a job on the ship (navigator, chef etc.), so I don't think it'll happen

[drowsy marsh]

She is already a Straw hat. The only reason she didn't join was because she was tied to her country. I think recent events has changed so that she is more willing. As for roles, a role can be made up for her. She should be key to finding Pluton.

According to the number theory 2 and 9 are left. I think Kuma devil fruit fits this way too good. I wonder who will be the next owner

[proven lion]

I would like pedro to join If he is still alive

[drowsy marsh]

I saw some theories that Franky might inherit this fruit, but there are more characters who are thematic with it. Such as Koala, but I don't think she will join.

[narrow rose]

Yamato or Carrot have highest chances. A friend of mine had the idea of Marco joining, although I find that unlikely

[stiff patrol]

“Doesn’t have much of a role” bruh she was attacked is what I heard

[stiff patrol]

He died back in wci

[proven lion]

Yes but there is always the chance he didnt.. he never got to really fulfill what roger promised him.. "everyone has their turn"

That's really the only reason I think he might not have died

[stiff patrol]

That’s why carrot is fulfilling his dream

[glad rain]

The guy literally exploded, the chances he made it are really close to 0.

[proven lion]

I mean I read the chapter as well but idk just didnt sit right with me after what roger said to him

[narrow rose]

By role I mean how will she contribute to the journey? Every strawhat is either strong, or has a job on the ship. Imagine Vivi at Skypeia, Enies Lobby or Fishman Island. She wouldn't be able to do much. That's partly the reason why she didn't join

[stiff patrol]

Yh I agree there vivi just wouldn’t be an appealing straw hat, but is a good ally

[narrow rose]

Just like the Dressrosa royal family, she'd just be a friend who'd probably defend the strawhats in the future

[proven lion]

^

The reverie was awesome

[narrow rose]

Yeah she can be a Padme-type political figure

[glad rain]

Besides Jinbei i don't see the merit of adding an extra one tbh. Unless SH became a red cross type of group salvaging people in distress.

[proven lion]

I think it will be history repeating itself in the way it did in the past except instead of 20 kingdoms it will be 5 to 10 who ally with straw hats

[proven lion]

Well the original idea was to have 10 crew mates though idk luffy could always just change his mind

[zinc mauve]

He had 50 years taken off his life by Big Mom, that too on his prior voyage. His “time”, that roger was referencing could be him helping the strawhats escape.

If he goes down the will of P route, it will literally dampen the significance of neko/carrot/wanda vs perospero.

[proven lion]

I mean I guess that makes sense but that's a more then sad way to go out lol... he was so eager to explore the world as a boy

[zinc mauve]

He was also roughly 82

[proven lion]

Your adding the life taken correct?

[zinc mauve]

yep

[glad rain]

i also agree that it was very obvious that Pedro took a leap of faith and sacrificed for a greater cause (Luffy's ambition) based on Roger's past dialogue.

[zinc mauve]

the only way I see him surviving is by some off chance pekoms helping him out

[proven lion]

That's what I'm hoping for as well.. offtopic but another person I really wanna see make a return is bonclay that death effected me more then ace if I'm honest.

[zinc mauve]

Bon clay is alive* iirc? New leader of impel down 5.5 or something

[proven lion]

Hmmm I dont remember seeing anything of the sort. I fucking hope that's the case

Bonclay was so god damn real

[dusky bane]

It was a cover story. Bon clay is alive and well

[proven lion]

Helll yeah my boy fuckin made it

That's fuckin weird that I dont remember that cover story though

My only guess is black beard had something to do with that

[zinc mauve]

You know what, reading about pekoms last appearance is pretty metal. They tried to gouge out his eyes to stop sulong 🥶

[proven lion]

Whole cake is criminally under rated

[stiff patrol]

Yamato is gonna join I’m sure of it

She has the desire to go out to sea since she has been chained down her entire life

Plus she could never be the shogun of wano that’s going to be momo 100%

[zinc mauve]

Tbh even vivi wanted to go along, but changed her mind

[proven lion]

And I'm all for it lol that squad would be fucking unstoppable

[stiff patrol]

I mean what’s yamato going to do after kaidos defeat? She can’t stay in wano since she is entirely hated due to being kaidos daughter. And she wants to go out to see like oden

[proven lion]

But vivi had a different situation she was an heir to the throne

Yamato has no real ties to wano that we know of

[zinc mauve]

Good question, i got nothing 😆

[proven lion]

Her only tie in to wano is she identifies as oden lmao

[zinc mauve]

I wonder if oden wrote about laughtale in his journal, then yamato might know its whereabouts