manga-theories

[modest skiff]

I definitely think there is a component to BM's durability that simply isn't understood yet. I don't buy the idea that she's just a natural tank. Some people have brought up Vegapunk experiments but I don't think we have any real evidence of that.

While I don't think Marco was ordered not to attack BM, I do think WB had clear sympathies for BM. I am still firmly in the camp of "Kaido, BM and WB all serving Xebec tells us Xebec wasn't a maniac". BM and WB have the most clear signs of altruism. But clearly BM has a strong psychotic presence as well. Such a great character. So while I don't agree Marco was ordered not to attack her, I do think WB had a respect for BM based on perspective during the time with Xebec

[bitter kraken]

It also could be just that WB didn’t want a big war with lots of causalities, not saying he was afraid of BM or war but would rather not do it unless he really had to. Similar to how he didn’t invade wano

[surreal oriole]

Any theories that Rocks is still alive and is still on God Valley?

[light onyx]

I hope one day sanji can shoot out flames from his legs

[silk rain]

i mean lucci can do that..but i dont see why he needs to

[modest skiff]

One of my somewhat crackpot theories is that the mini-universes that exist within some fruits (like BB and the mirror place) persist even after the user dies. So anything that was in the yami from the previous user is still there for the current user. I think Its possible Xebec is in there

[light onyx]

I think it would be cool or just useful

[surreal oriole]

Oh that's interesting

[light onyx]

That would be so cool

Imagine black beard is somewhat connected to xebec

I wouldn’t be surprised tbh

[modest skiff]

I have a few different theories of why BB has an extremely huge amount of knowledge and one of them is Xebec being in the yami

[fathom matrix]

do you think that if your haki's stronger, then Hawkin's ability wouldn't be that effective?

[light onyx]

how come he never used it on kaido

[surreal oriole]

Isn't Blackbeards ship named "The saber of Xebec"?

[light onyx]

Bro ur right wtf

Maybe he’s his child or somebody who looks up to him

[modest skiff]

oh hm interesting question. I wonder if this will be how we find out. From my perspective, Killer isn't going to kill Kid, that much is certain. This would be a great way for Kid to flex since I really think Kid has been keeping something under wraps this whole time. Kid really feels like he's got his trap card waiting. This could be a CoC reveal if we learn that CoC is what is needed to essentially "block" devil fruits like Law etc, I don't think they specifically said it was any haki right? It could be specific to CoC?

[fathom matrix]

transfering damage and taking it are different. You and someone else can have the exact same stab wound, but your durability, pain tolerance and reaction can be different.

Like. Let's say hakwins did put a life on kaido, stabbed himself in the stomach or even heart, maybe Kaido's can take it, or because of their size difference, it's not as effective against him

[modest skiff]

BB says the yami "chose" him and someone living within the yami calling out to him could be a part of that

[light onyx]

Ohhh

[fathom matrix]

Plus, maybe it's a haki thing.

Like, Kaido's haki is so obserd, Hawkins pales in comparison and like law's ability, it's not as effective

[light onyx]

That’s interesting but if it was xebecs don’t you think Whitebeard would’ve had a reaction to it

[modest skiff]

It feels more likely to me that CoC specifically is needed to resist fruits but perhaps I am wrong

[light onyx]

I mean he probably doesn’t care

[modest skiff]

I don't think Xebec being inside the yami means he had the yami to begin with

[fathom matrix]

I'm not sure, but I think it was suggested or stated that Law's haki had gotten so much better, that it was able to overpower vergos and he could use his ability on him, and law stated that kaido and BM's haki was making it hard for him to move them.

He didn't say anything about coc, but mainly haki in general, which is will, so their will was just stronger.

[surreal oriole]

I had signed onto the theory that shanks is the lovechild of Xebec and a celestial dragon, part of the reason he has clout with the gerosei. But now I'm not so sure

[modest skiff]

Makes sense. I just assumed Vergo was an example of armament not being sufficient. But perhaps you are right. Hard to say

[light onyx]

At first I thought he was the child of imu lmfao

[fathom matrix]

true, but covering yourself in armament may seem like a "good idea" but as G4 has shown, it has it's issues.

some people suggest that covering most/all your body is like hammering a sheet of metal. Yeah, it's wider and longer, but it's not as thick or resistant as it used to be

I don't think that's true, but it's not that far of a stretch

[sand sail]

You're correct, Law's haki was never part of that equation.

[clear ridge]

Does foreshadowing goes to this channel?

Adult Momo dragon form I saw it on YouTube. Chapter 310

[copper frost]

this is an old color spread, not foreshadowing for anything lol

[surreal oriole]

I wouldn't be so sure, but maybe not.

Kozuki Crest on his pants, in that color spread

[frail moat]

man zoro and sanji have to best homies

that last manga panel moved me

[frail moat]

i would die by then lol if time skip dosent happen

[inner vector]

Do you think the raid will fail? for the moment it looks alright for the Alliance

[frail moat]

it should

[surreal oriole]

No way they fail, pretty sure this arc is showing the straw hats surpassing kaido and big mom's crew. And luffy will be a bonafide yonkou by the end even tho I think he is already

[inner vector]

why?

[inner vector]

kaido crew yes but BM crew no, there's a reason why they aren't in this battle

[surreal oriole]

I think you are a little bit right about that, I think the straw hats shit on big moms crew, however I think BM herself is another story.

[inner vector]

I still think that Kaido is stronger than BM but SH can't take two Yonkos at once, that's why Law and Kidd are there too

anyways I don't know which Yonko will get down this arc

[frail moat]

Both will

[surreal oriole]

Agree 2 yonkous is too much atm, but I disagree that kaido is stronger. Starting to get the feeling that big mom is alot stronger than kaido.

[visual merlin]

what gives you that feeling?

[crude solstice]

it would be more funny if he was just a fanboy

of zebec

what im not wrong

[surreal oriole]

The comment Marco made and the fact we haven't seen the full extent of her power, where with kaido I think we have.

[visual merlin]

The comment marco made at best implies others in the alliance may underestimate her, and the second part I just don't see how that implies she's stronger

[sand sail]

Unfortunately, canonically Kaido is the strongest person alive at the moment, that we know of. Big Mom seems to be included in that category

[pseudo citrus]

"strongest creature"?

[sand sail]

Yep, and strongest pirate. Strongest in general, it seems, at this point

[surreal oriole]

Strongest creature yes and we don't know exactly what that implies

[ancient vault]

It implies hes the strongest living being on the planet rn lol

[surreal oriole]

Does it now? Lol

[sand sail]

Well, that was the direct statement The implication I guess is he may or may not be human, but that was never really relevant to be fair

[pseudo citrus]

it's also just a title without any concrete meaning, like whitebeard being the strongest man despite having bad health, and mihawk being world's strongest swordsman despite braces for pushback any practical demonstration of this

[ancient vault]

Oni theory

[sand sail]

That's not really useful for us to use one way or another, though

[surreal oriole]

Exactly

[ancient vault]

or 5% ancient giant

[visual merlin]

Sure but there's still way more evidence for Kaido being stronger than Big mom, at least

[sand sail]

The meaning is very much concrete, not sure where you're getting it's not. He is the strongest living thing on the planet, as the narrator points out. The only thing up in the air is how far he's reached to validate that

[ancient vault]

well wb got his title when he was healthy and guess what. He was the strongest on the planet lol

[visual merlin]

Marco acknowledging her strength isn't nearly enough to put her over Kaido

[marsh stratus]

i hate the fact that there is manga theories but no anime theories

[sand sail]

Given his history and reputation together, it seems pretty validated. Incidentally, those other titles were also valid, Whitebeard was the strongest man in the world for most of his career. His decline doesn't devalue the title of others. And Mihawk hasn't had anything that's contradicted his, so there's just a matter of not knowing on his part

[pseudo citrus]

right, but he still had the title even when he was dying, so idk if it still applied

[sand sail]

Whether it applies when he died or not isn't relevant

He lived up to it is the only thing we have to take into consideration

[surreal oriole]

I think it implies she capable of something scary that hasn't been shown. I don't think he would of given us that scene if it didn't mean anything important.

[ancient vault]

It didnt prob. But still he lived up to it and at some point it was real

[sand sail]

Eventually he couldn't live up to it anymore, just like eventually Kaido won't be the strongest

[ancient vault]

And Kaido isnt sick either nor like super old

[sand sail]

But as of now, even with old Whitebeard, no one's actually been able to prove the titles wrong. Whitebeard may have had a hard time, but no one ever actually overpowered him in the series

[visual merlin]

It implies she's strong, and he knows it. It really doesn't imply any more than that, and if she does have something "scary" that wouldn't mean she's stronger than kaido

[modest skiff]

I've always taken the specific wording regarding Kaido to mean "this dude can bench the most weight of anyone in the world" but that doesn't necessarily mean "most skilled fighter" or "the person most likely to win a fight". He's just a really huge, buff ass dragon. From that perspective, I could see him as a being lifting the largest object. But that doesn't mean someone would never be able to defeat him in a fight. Kinda like how the fastest person in the world isn't necessarily going to defeat someone.

[ancient vault]

It was prob said to hype up the BM fight

[sand sail]

Well the thing is, his reputation is literally the most likely person to win in any fight.

[visual merlin]

I can't see it as any more than a cool statement to hype big mom

that also tells us marco is aware of her power

[ancient vault]

he's ust simply the most powerful and strongest. No need to complicate it

[modest skiff]

I must have missed this then. Don't doubt it, but just isn't directly in my memory

[sand sail]

Yeh, lemme grab the page...

I wanted to illustrate the whole "strongest creature" thing here though

[modest skiff]

Alright well that's pretty damn conclusive. Thanks!

[sand sail]

A lot of people take it to mean somehow Kaido may not be stronger than everyone, but I never really got why. The narrator goes out of his way to identify Kaido as not just the strongest non-human or of a certain species, he's the single most powerful living thing on the entire planet here, including non-humans

[surreal oriole]

Love how it says "He is said to be the strongest creature alive"

Not he is the strongest alive

[ancient vault]

prob because they think theres no challenge for luffy afterwards. When luffy is still 1vs1ing shanks and BB is gonna get stronger than he is rn anyways

[sand sail]

Oh yeah, that was the other desperate bit people liked to cling to. That somehow "He is said to be" makes it so the title may not stick, even though that's every title in One Piece lol

But Kaido's been getting wailed on for at least a good hour now

Luffy will have more than enough challenge afterwards

[ancient vault]

he just facepalmed after getting jumped 2 times

[sand sail]

Yeh, he's been pretty decently injured though lol

[ancient vault]

Thats credit enough

[surreal oriole]

Yeah titles at the core of it mean nothing.

[sand sail]

How'd you get that out of him being hurt?

[modest skiff]

Yes this is how I took it too. He is assumed stronger than all beings. But this panel did a good job at framing it in terms of "In a tournament setting, Kaido likely wins the tournament". A combination of Kaido's qualities create a conclusion that he is favored in any 1v1.

[sand sail]

The titles do hold a great meaning, they're used to show us where the biggest players stand.

Yeh, the Ace novel is non-canon but takes it a wee bit further. I like their explanation, it has Kaido as basically being just so damn tenacious that he'll outlast anyone in a fight

Probably not how it's going to really be in the series, but still a cool concept for the character.

[polar bison]

kaidou likely still has an awakening form up his sleeve

while BM’s strongest form is supposedly her master of souls form, which we’ve seen multiple times

[modest skiff]

I think that's why he likes Luffy so much. He thinks its possible Luffy (because he hopes Luffy is Joyboy) could push him to his limit, whereas we are left to assume Kaido ends up captured before he reaches his limit in all previous instances. He's essentially been given "fight blue balls" for his entire life

[sand sail]

But neither of these things are actually for sure

[surreal oriole]

These titles outside of ranks mean nothing is what I am saying. Like marine tanks matter but "the strongest creature alive " is very subjective.

[sand sail]

Kaido's shown no signs of having an awakening in his back pocket, and Big Mom's best moves haven't needed her to be in any particular form

That variation isn't a thing for her, really. She always has her homies around lo

[ancient vault]

cant she awaken too? lol

[sand sail]

^ also yeh

[polar bison]

awakening is a whole different form in zoans

whereas it’s just u have more powers generally in paramecias

[sand sail]

It's barely a whole different form for zoans

From what we've seen, it's no different than anything else beyond aesthetics, and they just get a bit of a physical boost with decent recovery

At least Paramecia gives you a massive power expansion lol

[surreal oriole]

But does anyone feel like the Oden flashback give us a clear power scale for where luffy is heading? We know Oden was stronger than Kaido and roger was able to swat Oden away like a fly and we know luffy is going to surpass roger, so how strong is kaido compared to roger and WB

[sand sail]

Oden wasn't stronger than Kaido at all, if anything arguably he would've been weaker. As for his strength, Kaido could be as strong as Roger and Whitebeard were right now, or not. Luffy never has to surpass Roger, that's never been a goal of his

All he's ever wanted to do is surpass the current people getting in his way, and really he doesn't even need to be as strong as Roger to do that

[ancient vault]

Oden wasnt stronger than current kaido

I'd think its argueable that he mightve been stronger than young Kaido

[sand sail]

At best, he was only as strong as a younger Kaido too. Oden may have been able to deal a decent bit of damage, but Kaido gets up and one shots him

[ancient vault]

Thinking about this

[sand sail]

There's pretty much no way for Oden to have been stronger than Kaido, at absolute best they were even with one another

[polar bison]

it was definitely close

[ancient vault]

Yeah thats why im so weirded out. Did he really just one shot oden 💀

[polar bison]

but yea either way Kaidou from 20 years ago wasn’t a yonkou, much less considered the strongest in the world, so he’s gotten much stronger since

[sand sail]

Sengoku seals that for us too, when he says Kaido and Big Mom are nothing like they used to be in Rocks

[surreal oriole]

I very much disagree with this, I believe it was very clear oden was stronger and that luffy will surpass roger in strength

[sand sail]

They both got a lot stronger, in comparison I imagine Xebec wasn't that bad

[sand sail]

One of these things is objectively wrong, and I just explained why. The other, maybe sure, but he definitely doesn't need it

And it's certainly not his goal

[surreal oriole]

No what you said was subjective. And no it isn't his goal but is what will happen just like he will surpass big mom and kaido

[sand sail]

No, it's not. If Kaido is strong enough take Oden down in one blow, while Oden couldn't actually take Kaido down in the same, at best you can argue that they were even with each other and one person just aimed better

[ancient vault]

Oh no
Subjective objective talk

[sand sail]

There's no angle where Oden was proven in any way stronger than Kaido

[light onyx]

Lmaoo imagine

[surreal oriole]

This whole channel is subjective man come on lol

[ancient vault]

Its not lol

[sand sail]

This isn't like a difference in powers, or a scene where context or planning was the greatest key to things, it was a straight forward blow from both parties on the other while the others weren't looking both times

[polar bison]

I don’t think we get any indication on how much of a physical buff it is

I rlly just mean to say that kaidou still has, i think, another form to further augment his power, while big mom has shown us most of what she can offer. it makes sense that he could b stronger overall, as opposed to the person im replying to who thinks bm has some sort of trick up her sleeve while kaidou has nothing more to offer

[surreal oriole]

That's your subjective opinion

[ancient vault]

Thats headcanonning. You can still write up theories with a conclusion using facts. This channel is not just your opinion lol

[sand sail]

Well, both have shown us most of what they can offer at this point. Seemingly, the conqueror's haki boost is the big thing that they've been keeping in their back pockets

Kaido could have some other form, but if he does it'll just be more strength and durability

[polar bison]

yea

while BM I think what we’ve seen is abt what we’re getting, unless and until she gets a buff from something

[sand sail]

Well, she still has all of her homies, combinations she can use, her conqueror's haki and how that plays into her wielding things

We've honestly seen more from Kaido than Big Mom at this point, relative to their skillsets

Remember, she hasn't even gotten to the point of trying to make the environment fight for her too I guess minus Tenjin

[ancient vault]

Yh idk where khione is getting the idea that we've gotten all she has lol

[grizzled fog]

We’ve only seen her whip out one conqueror’s haki move, I think she still has a bit left to show.

[waxen dust]

Big Mom nowhere near 100% yet, she’s got an entire arsenal and I doubt we’ll see it all this arc

[polar bison]

idt big mom has an insanely stronger move or form that we’ve not seen yet

im sure she has plenty left to show but it’s like. she’s got coc coating, she’s got homies, she’s got massive strength, she’s got some sword techs

tho if she has a form of fighting where she seriously fucks with the environment like bean said

[modest skiff]

Yeah I will be very surprised if BM doesn’t make it out of Wano

[polar bison]

that could b a game changer ig

[dense patrol]

What's the discussion here? I'm new, just entered the server

[ancient vault]

@waxen dust man I really lost my motivation to keep on writing on my theory cause of that one guy yesterday...

[ancient vault]

Lets start a new one. Do you think Moria is coming to wano?

[sand sail]

Yeh, but all Kaido would have left is a little more muscle. At least Big Mom can mix it up with what she has, it doesn't feel like Kaido's got any clever things up his sleeves so much

[dense patrol]

Me personally? I don't really think so, this arc would kind of become stacked if he entered and I can't see a place for him anywhere unless he's joined Blackbeard's crew or something and Blackbeard has come to "take Kaido's head for himself" or maybe even steal his df so he can have the strongest paramecia, strongest logia and strongest zoan all in one

[polar bison]

muscle goes p far in the world of OP

[sand sail]

Yeh, but that's not very much left to put in. Unless he turns out to have more awesome dragon combo powers, the man's basically spent and just replaying the hits

[polar bison]

I think Moria could come in the aftermath. it’s rlly interesting to me whether we get Vegapunk, or Smoker (or both), or Sabo, or Vivi (or both), or Moria, or Marines (or both), or even like more than 2, all of the above post wano

[dense patrol]

Any predictions for when Vegapunk first appears? Like which Island he'll appear in and such? Which arc, how many arcs after Wano and such?

[ancient vault]

I just dont want someone stealing my theory again and getting 130k views with it

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/164971940648321024/848654780973056031/ezgif.com-gif-maker.gif

[dense patrol]

And also any predictions for Dragon's bounty?

[ancient vault]

double rogers

[dense patrol]

Yeah, I'd like to think so too

[ancient vault]

Wano or soon

[dense patrol]

Also am I one of the only people here who's convinced that Blackbeard could be Xebec's son?

[ancient vault]

No ur not the only one. Youre also prob wrong

[dense patrol]

What's your theory?

[ancient vault]

Forced family relations are lame. Inherited will exists and thats better anyways

[surreal oriole]

All these theories are built on our subjective perspective on what we assume are the concrete facts, all of it is subjective. But I love this discussion let's keep it going

[ancient vault]

So facts are a subjective perspective of sth now

[surreal oriole]

Your perception of events are yes.

[dense patrol]

I'm only thinking this for quite a few reasons, firstly because apparently when Xebec died, Blackbeard was only 2 and we all know he was an orphan and also the fact that his ship is called the Saber of Xebec and apparently the fact that the island he's on now is the island Xebec operated on but Idk, I may be wrong on that one so don't take my word for it

[sand sail]

This wasn't a theory being made man, this was the fact of what happened. We're not theorizing, we were visually shown where Oden and Kaido stand, and one man was left standing.

[surreal oriole]

But let's discuss one piece I what I am saying

[ancient vault]

Or maybe hes just a fanboy

[surreal oriole]

Yes I believe we were shown clearly oden was stronger

[dense patrol]

Maybe, both kind of have the same dream

[sand sail]

When Kaido one shots him, while Oden fails to do the same?

[surreal oriole]

But it's my subjective view

[sand sail]

Xebec and Blackbeard, I don't want them to be related.

I think it'd be more interesting if it does end up being like an idol thing

[dense patrol]

Would it be a letdown if they were related?

[sand sail]

Blackbeard did his research, heard about what happened at God Valley and thought Xebec had the right idea

Nah, I just would prefer it to not be that obvious personally

Not bad, just a more interesting angle for me the other way

[dense patrol]

Yeah, true, I don't want Oda dropping massive hints like that either, especially with his talent at foreshadowing things

[sand sail]

He's done obvious things before that turn out just fine, so I try not to just say I don't like a possibility outright generally speaking, but it'd be cooler to go in the direction of Blackbeard being a hidden genius scholar like Robin

[surreal oriole]

I agree, I get the feeling he idolizes Xebec. And maybe from the same island

[surreal oriole]

, he was hit in the back of the head while shocked to see his son in danger. Without that old lady there kaido would have died that day

[dense patrol]

Maybe he wanted to take over his dream from where he left off, which is why he may have attacked the Revolutionary Army (maybe trying to kill Dragon), also seems to want to kill Luffy, maybe both of them as they are related to Garp and he was also indirectly the reason of Ace's death who's Roger's son as we all know

[dense patrol]

I agree

[sand sail]

and Kaido was hit in basically the same scenario, yet stood back up. Like I said, at best you can call them even, with Kaido aiming better.

Because Oden went down, and did not get back up.

There really should be no contest here, there's no angle where Oden was actually stronger in there. They even clashed evenly previously and Oden couldn't overcome him, though it was a few years prior.

And that was before Oden started dancing instead of training.

[surreal oriole]

Do you think kaido would of taken a cheap shot if he thought we could of won in a fair fight?

Didnt kaido even say the scabbard s stood a chance with Oden but without they will fail. Can't remember exactly

[surreal oriole]

Don't remember kaido being smashed in the back of the head by a massive hammer either. Which is very different than being sliced across the chest

Idk how much is applys to one piece but in the real world it's the shots you don't see coming that do the most dmg.

[heavy tusk]

Where is all those people hyping up black Maria like she was the best thing since slice bread?

I told them she was weak, got slap by Robin XD

[waxen dust]

which theory? The Ringo theory or the Chopper Laugh theory?

[ancient vault]

Oh nah another one about bb pirates moria and caribou

chopper laugh thing is just an idea idk if im ever gonna fully write it out.
Ringo maybe I'll finish it maybe I'll just leave it be since we're getting close to the end of wano now

[modest skiff]

Don’t let that discourage you. You don’t need some shitty YouTube channel to enjoy yourself. I enjoy reading your thoughts and I hope you continue sharing them.

[waxen dust]

Ringo seems like a possible theory especially with a Kaido flashback; I would finish it before this raid wraps up

I honestly think BB is teaming with Moria AND Hawkins is likely his spy in Wano.

Chopper laugh /placebo is also a cool idea it ties to themes if his character, his dream, & the Drum Island arc as a whole.

[surreal oriole]

Agreed

I don't think we will see moria in this arc, but I do think the next time we see him he is gonna be skinny again or just in shape

After getting shit on so much, I expect he will be different the next time we see him at least.

[surreal oriole]

I like that hawkins is a spy under blackbeard theory.

It would be weird if moria teamed up with BB he seemed seriously pissed about them killing absalom.

[night lava]

Or he prob got threatened to do so

[surreal oriole]

Possibly, but I still don't see it. I think he would choose imprisonment over working with BB after what they did to his friend. But I think they just left him alone the rest of the time he was on Hachinosu because he wasn't viewed as a threat to their goal

[pure raven]

Moria just taking L's

[surreal oriole]

Link me some different theories on that if anyone has any, I am interested in reading them

It could be foreshadowing a possible team up with the straw hats through a common enemy. Showing us why moria would hate BB

[fading thorn]

so based on 1022, hawkins seems to know which current life hes "voodooing" (idk the term).

i feel like if he trained really hard, he can learn how to see what the person hes voodooing is seeing, as well as feel, hear, etc.

by that extension, his awakening could be full control of another persons body, while also being able to control his own body

[modest skiff]

I hope this doesn't end up happening because I need Hawkins to just die and be gone already. Can't remember a character that has made me this frustrated other than Orochi

[fading thorn]

maybe he could also transfer his soul to another body

so if he somehow killed himself while leaving the voodooed body alive, he transfers soul to another body

his sp seems really broken now that i think about it

[fading thorn]

agree, i dont see how killers gonna defeat him tho

maybe he could drown him?

[dusky acorn]

It's interesting looking at Hawkins' power on paper, it's like you could tell Oda had always planned for him to be a villain. His ability makes him the ultimate hostage taker

[fading thorn]

it would affect kid as well but he isnt gonna die since theres no water to suffocate him, law can temporarily take over whiles hes "drowning"

[modest skiff]

I think he would still drown for what its worth, by my totally baseless estimation

[fading thorn]

whats fwiw

o ok

[dusky acorn]

Yeah, I think every type of damage transfers to Kid, no matter how unconventional

[fading thorn]

what about psychological damage

[modest skiff]

Yeah I think Hawkins power directly makes whatever happened to one person, happen to another. If that person stops being able to breathe, same with Kid. Kid would be burned or frozen or anything, even without it being in front of him

[dusky acorn]

We already saw that fruit powers do transfer 1:1 with the substitute when Law tried to cut him with his power. I'd assume drowning, sound attacks and all that are all shared

[fading thorn]

have perona suddenly appear and use negative hollow on him

[modest skiff]

It does beg the question, how do you eliminate the effect? I wonder if knocking out Hawkins works

[fading thorn]

wouldnt sea prism stones work on him

[modest skiff]

There has to be some way to "counter" it

[fading thorn]

it stops his sp from working, which means no more transfering dmg

based on killers current situation, theres no other option. I do think that if he voodoos brook, you can defeat him since brook doesnt have any flesh to be able to be hurt

[weary cliff]

Killer could exclusively attack the arm that Kid lost. Not sure how far he'd get there, but it should be safe

[modest skiff]

Oh that’s a fascinating idea

[dusky acorn]

I really like the arm theory, but there's one thing that leaves me a little skeptical

[fading thorn]

what about robots, can he voodoo them?

[dusky acorn]

It's that the exact voodoo doll for Kid does feature it's own left arm

So would the left arm still be there on the voodoo doll, even if it doesn't represent damage Hawkins could tank at that location?

[fading thorn]

hm, maybe the voodoos represent the total health the person can tank?

[ancient vault]

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[lone hedge]

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[ancient vault]

wrong reply*

just choose from the ones youre itnerested in

[surreal oriole]

ohh fuck yeah thank you

[ancient vault]

thanks ^^ hope I can deliver more soon

[fading thorn]

oooh could kid be the 1% man hawkins was referring to?

[grizzled fog]

That’s quite likely now

[dusky acorn]

It's very possible at this point, Hawkins can follow up with that reveal now that we know he did this

[fading thorn]

hawkins would most likely win the battle now, which makes sense since hawkins only takes fights he is confident he can win cuz of his tarot cards

[light onyx]

I feel like ussop will die

As a brave warrior of the sea

[manic relic]

Am i reading this right that King is doing in his pants if Zoro recover? Even after they won marco and sanji?

King is literally saying that Zoro must not recover

And why is he scared of zoro? He didnt saw him fight or did he?

Or maybe he got instructions from kaido to finish Zoro because he is scared of him

Do king know about zoro vs kaido big mom?

This scene made me remember of the scene of Luffy that wore out of Haki and the colloseum guy was runnin away with Luffy so he can recover. Now Sanji Marco Chopper and the samurai are protecting Zoro because he is their only hope against king and queen

Even Sanji knows this and wants Zoro safety so he can help him

[weary cliff]

Sanji isn't a dumbass. He acknowledges at the end of the chapter they need to win, and he wasn't able to 1 v 2 the calamities

[light onyx]

I’d be so happy if Sanji learns the advanced armament Haki

[weary cliff]

In this fight? Definitely not. His specialty is observation anyways

[split glacier]

His power up is the raid suit. Franky and Usopp will make adjustments like he asked them to.

[limpid sequoia]

yeah we've been shown multiple times that not every character is going to get every power (except maybe Luffy) but that isn't a bad thing, it makes the powers that people have more unique and interesting while also being just as powerful enough to contest each other, just thinking of the Tobi roppo, a few of them didn't even use armament haki but they are still some of the strongest characters we've seen in the series.

[manic relic]

He def will but not in wano but in a different arc

[light onyx]

Hopefully

[split glacier]

Or maybe he doesn't and does just fine

[limpid sequoia]

Why do we think that Sanji needs advanced CoA or Ryou? We've seen no indication of Zoro needing future sight or advanced CoO, just read what I said please.

[surreal oriole]

I think with the raid suit he doesn't need it. Oda has shown us technology is a real way to achieve power in One piece, but i wouldn't be upset if he obtained it

[limpid sequoia]

I agree that it wouldn't ever make me upset for the SHs to get stronger in their own right, but I just think that it is better overall for them all to evolve in different ways. I don't want to see everyone on the crew become haki masters like Luffy, and we already know that Zoro specializes in CoA, and Sanji in CoO, while the rest of the crew has a bunch of unique powers to contend with other powerful people (showcased in their fights against the Tobi Roppo).

[surreal oriole]

If the straw hats become as powerful as rogers crew or stronger wouldnt it be natural for them both to have mastery over advanced forms of haki

[surreal oriole]

yeah ur right

Man idk when i think on it I think Zoro,Sanji, and Luffy will master haki. I just expect those 3 to be real powerhouses by the end of the series. even tho they already are but we have a ways to go still

[broken basin]

Any fellow Blackbeard agendas?

[limpid sequoia]

he's grabbing pluton rn

I don't think he comes to Wano at the very least and I am a firm believer that the red line needs to be destroyed so with those 2 points BB getting Pluton isn't such a bad idea

[split glacier]

Isn't Franky the only one to know what Pluton is?

Or the blueprint at least

[limpid sequoia]

Franky had the blueprints but the original Pluton still exists, as we learned in Alabasta when Robin said that the poneglyph had everything Croc wanted. It's out there somewhere and I'm pretty sure BB could find it, at the very least we know BB's hobby as noted by Oda is History.

[steep vigil]

Daily reminder whitebeard was physically stronger than Roger

[limpid sequoia]

that's like saying Kaido/BM are physically stronger than Shanks, it simply doesn't matter

[split glacier]

Still couldn't beat him when he had cancer tho

[broken basin]

Shanks he’s been tryin to warn everyone about him but people keep playin

[split glacier]

I wanna see a flashback to their first fight. Shanks knows Blackbeard just like his daddy.

[broken basin]

That man doesn’t sleep

[split glacier]

Wonder if he blinks...🤔

[broken basin]

Never seen it

Man can pull chicks tho

[split glacier]

That a Yami Yami joke? lol

[broken basin]

Now it is XD

[light onyx]

Is it possible the yami yami no mi has its own dimension of darkness

[stuck sundial]

What if Blackbeard’s goal is to become the pirate king, destroy the red line, then using Gura and Yami to bring every island to the center of the world where Marie Jois used to be and make the world become “One Piece”

[modest skiff]

Many of my BB theories require this to be true. If some stupid fucking mirror fruit can have a dimension, GOAT Yami can too

[weary cliff]

I'm expecting some complicated motivations from BB, yeah. Wouldn't be surprised if he somewhat aligns with Luffy on his ends, even if the means differ.

[modest skiff]

I firmly believe that I would support both Xebec and BB if they made their case to me. I think BB knows what is at stake, what happened before, and why it is entirely appropriate for him to have done all the things he has done.

[limpid sequoia]

means do not justify the end, BB is evil and selfish, simple as that

[modest skiff]

I will debate this for HOURS if I have to. So long as the CDs are enslaving and raping people for hundreds of years, any means used to free those people are justified

[upbeat mist]

if you dump hawkins in the ocean wouldnt he die without affecting his bound, because the sea would sap his DF powers?

[modest skiff]

Correct, DF powers do not stop working when you're in seawater

[upbeat mist]

im saying the opposite i think

im saying "wouldnt him falling in kill him because it would weaken the effects"

like it doesnt disable entirely

[upbeat mist]

don't we know that because of the black hole ability? where else would the town have gone

[modest skiff]

Sorry, then you are wrong. Seawater weakens devil fruit user's bodies but not their powers

[pure raven]

agreed man... i felt a little strange about how oda constructed it. Also Sanji power up was really strange too... for me sanji has the worst power development from Oda. In punk hazard he broke his leg for Vergo (a nobody compared to the guys we facing now), later Dressrosa (nothing then losing to doflamingo, he also goes with the other group), he escapes Big mom crew but no big fight (no evolution in fighting). In zou theres no significant fight too, he cant deal with gang bege and his crew. Whole cake is amazing arc for him as a Characther, but there is no fighting development again... now we are in wano what changed? he has only the germa equipament, but he is not using it right now. I hope that Oda at least shows something about his training if in the way to wano he trained with luffy or something else, cus i feel strange man about his development, maybe im wrong...

at least i think Queen could beat vergo and doffy

[pure raven]

maybe not doffy

who knows lol

[limpid sequoia]

Using evil to fight evil doesn't make it justified, that's just super flawed logic, essentially you're replacing one tyrant for another.

[modest skiff]

1. this assumes BB did something evil

2. this assumes BB wants to be a tyrant or leader at all

I don't think either of these are substantiated

[limpid sequoia]

him murdering people is evil, you can't argue against that, and He wants to be Pirate King, meaning he want's to be a leader of some sort whether that just be by influence or actually leading a people, hell even right now if you want to say for some reason he doesn't want to be Pirate King, he is a Yonko with territories directly under his control including beehive island, which would make him a "leader" of some degree.

[modest skiff]

Wait who did he murder?

[limpid sequoia]

you literally haven't been reading the same story

he killed Thatch for the dark dark fruit and WB for the quake quake fruit

and is the reason for multiple others dying such as Ace and all those that died in the war of the best at Marineford

[modest skiff]

if you mean capturing Ace to use as fodder to gain entry into the warlords, which clearly served his purposes to do something greater, no, that doesn't make him bad at all. if we assume he is seeking to topple the CDs, who are slave traders, rapists, and murderers, who have dominated the world for hundreds of years, Ace dying is a DROP in the bucket compared to taking down the CDs. I could kill Ace a million times if it meant toppling the CDs

Same deal with Thatch, a couple deaths to save millions sounds like a great deal to me

I'd slam that button in a heartbeat

[limpid sequoia]

okay so you just are conceding that he's evil and now making a point that isn't even worth arguing against because all it shows is how flawed your ethics are

[modest skiff]

So you would choose for 100 people to die instead of 2?

If I could sacrifice 2 people to save 100, I would feel like a good person doing that. The number is actually much higher. If BB is working towards toppling the CDs, he is saving many more lives than 100. Ace and Thatch are meaningless in that context.

Keep in mind we are aware of thousands of slaves who are worked to death just to move floors for CDs so they don't have to walk

[limpid sequoia]

A good person wouldn't choose, and secondly you and I both have no clue what BB's true intentions are but using context clues from the story BB is very closely related to Xebec in some way, whether it be by blood or inherited will. Xebec is someone that we know wasn't a good person, hence why Roger and Garp who we do know to be generally good, had to team up to stop him once and for all. Now not once have I said that the WG isn't evil, or doesn't deserve to be demolished, but you trying to justify using one Evil to stop another is only going to cause more problems, because you already conceded to me that BB is evil, so there is no reason for anyone to be inclined to believe that a world without the WG and with BB would be any better than one with the WG and without BB.

[modest skiff]

It seems we just disagree on whether it is ethical to kill 2 people to save many others. But you are right that we don't know that's BB's goal. I'd say you are right that we can't know the real answer

[rose spoke]

After defeating Kaido, which will happen, is there going to be a BB-Strawhat fight? Because Luffy wants the one piece and who knows BB what or where he is about. I also want to see the rest of the Luffy fans fight with someone

[upbeat mist]

i mean freeing people from a dictator only to instate another doesnt really fix any of the problems

[modest skiff]

We have no indication he has any intentions of being a dictator

[upbeat mist]

he literally wants to rule the world lmfao

[modest skiff]

Can you show me the panel where he says he wants to rule the world?

[upbeat mist]

why would he rule fullerlead if he doesnt want to rule? or whitebeards territory for that matter. He clearly cares about domination to some degree or he wouldnt try to build a "kingdom"

[slate torrent]

sanji struggled hard against vergo and got beaten by doffy, and spent the next whole arc either locked up or baking a cake. Suddenly he’s able to fight and beat yonko commanders. Beating those eggs for the cake gave him the power up he needed

[tardy dock]

Sea prism stone takes it away while in contact correct?

[modest skiff]

This could all be seen as a necessary step to conquering CDs without any intention to be a dictator. We don't know. Keep in mind the revolutionary army commands over 100,000 people without any clear intentions to be dictators.

[modest skiff]

No, I don't think so. Someone will correct me very quickly if I am wrong though. I can't recall the specific instance where this is tested, but perhaps someone with better memory can assist here

oh wait i think it does never mind

[tardy dock]

Only instance I can remember is when Luffy put his hands on sea prism bars in the G5 arc but that’s not canon

[modest skiff]

I think that's the whole point of putting logia users in seastone cuffs, otherwise they (ace) would just float away and not give a shit

[tardy dock]

Oh yeah nvm the whole marineford arc ace had cuffs on

[modest skiff]

yeah, so you're right, seastone does appear to disable DFs, otherwise Ace would just fly away at like 20 different moments

[tardy dock]

Zoan and certain paramecia users prob can’t transform and get weakened while logia can’t use powers

[silk rain]

are there examples of when zoan and paramecia users can use powers while in seastone?

[strange musk]

god level shit

[strange musk]

what if killer attacks hawkins' that arm which kid doesnt have?

[bronze palm]

Is anyone willing to hear what I say about Peropero vs Neko fight?

[limpid sequoia]

[strange musk]

yes brotha

[pure raven]

tbh I think BB might even be worse than CD over time

[bronze palm]

Neko wanted to fight PeroPero because he believed that Peropero killed Pedro, but Pedro suicided himself though..

[modest skiff]

This is going to sound desperate, but I see a difference between taking over and ruling. But I won't dispute the fact that it sounds that way. I think he wants to completely conquer the world but I don't think he wants to rule it. I think he just wants to curb stomp the whole system and I don't think he has any plans for after that

[strange musk]

yeaaaa

we know that @bronze palm

[bronze palm]

Ye I know but like

Pero is taking the blame for a wrong reason, and it’s what thrives Neko to fight him

[strange musk]

yepppppp

[limpid sequoia]

honestly if someone was to be responsible for Pedro, wouldn't it be Tamago not Pero

[bronze palm]

Well that’s my point because Pero shouldn’t take the whole blame for killing Pedro

[strange musk]

but the fight will be a worth watch

[bronze palm]

Ye but I feel like Pero is gonna win though

[strange musk]

also seems like the momotaro theory is gonna be truee

[limpid sequoia]

if anything they kill each other

[strange musk]

dont see that happening

also, thoughts on where is denjiro??

[limpid sequoia]

I think pero and BM have to go down for Katakuri to take his spot as the captain of the BM pirates

[bronze palm]

Well only one of them would win I hope

[limpid sequoia]

with Hiyori gonna kill Orochi

[strange musk]

might be

[bronze palm]

We last saw him with Kinemon’s entire group when they saw Orochi face to face so I’m assuming he’s helping the scabbards

[limpid sequoia]

I'm of the opinion that Pero has to lose because of what I said above, and also I think most if not all the scabbards die

[strange musk]

also, probs its confirmed that kinemon, ashura and kiku are dead

[bronze palm]

Fair and I think Pero is pretty smart and strategical as we saw him in whole cake, but I don’t want him to just die from Neko, I want him to die from a bigger impact

[strange musk]

probably perospero has a bomb tries to kill neko but dies himself

[bronze palm]

Is anyone willing to talk with me about Pero’s sea slug

[limpid sequoia]

well he already fought carrot and wanda, and got hit by Sanji (via queen), so I don't think it is a stretch to say that Pero is pretty weak right now, but Neko obviously is in a similar situation. The main thing I know is going to happen is that Carrot and Wanda are being setup to take over Inu's and Neko's spots after Wano so whether you think they die or just retire is really all that matters.

[bronze palm]

Back in whole cake island, Pero and Mama were riding on the same sea slug which is created by Pero, and when he went to Onigashima, why didn’t he take any of his siblings with him because it can accompany someone and/or more people? Like when Mama was on the sea slug with Pero, with Mama’s size compared to her kids, Pero could accompany a few of the siblings to accompany him to Onigashima, so I’m wondering why he was the only one to get there

[limpid sequoia]

cause smoothie upsets the balance we have rn

[strange musk]

😂

[bronze palm]

Huh wym

[limpid sequoia]

another commader in this raid makes it that much harder, I know we all meme smoothie cause of what Oda made of her but she is strong, we still gotta worry about how to get rid of BM and the only person potentially strong enough to fight against Smoothie rn would be Jinbei

[bronze palm]

But Jinbei is already damaged while facing off double Who

So if big mom’s children get in the Onigashima, all the straw hats are probably going to be beaten up bc they’re exhausted from their fights

[strange musk]

they ain't gonna reach fr

[bronze palm]

I mean They could if only Pero accompanied them on the sea slug

[limpid sequoia]

Jinebei without a doubt did get hurt by WW, but Jinbei is no where near being out of commision, I just assume that BM's children would be heading to the flower capital in search of Kaido's poneglyph, or they just won't be relevant at all

[bronze palm]

ye true but I mean if Pero is in danger and it’s their big brother, who wouldn’t want to protect their siblings

So they likely are going to back up him and mama

[brazen igloo]

Jinbe had same tier difficulty as franky and Robin’s fight imo

[bronze palm]

Well tbh Jinbe’s fight was pretty easy for him, so I’m assuming Jinbei is strong

[brazen igloo]

Or at least franky, I know Robin move is an all out

Also is there an explanation for why Robin turns into a devil

[bronze palm]

Bc it’s her epithet, other than that idk lol

[brazen igloo]

Not sure how a devil and growing horns relates to her fruit

[bronze palm]

Her devil form was cool and all but it doesn’t make sense to her fruit and I agree with you

[strange musk]

probs, they steal wano's poneglyph, go to an unknowing island which is elbaf, even strawhats reach there to get the poneglyph, on learning that her children have reached elbaf, big mom rushes there

[bronze palm]

Tbh, it doesn’t make sense for all the kids to get to Wano just to take one Poneglyph because they would want revenge on the straw hats as they sneaked in their territory and escaped

[strange musk]

but what if they do

[bronze palm]

If they do, then what’s their roles in Wano other than that? It wouldn’t make sense for all of the children to be after the poneglyph

[bronze palm]

Why is no one talking about this

[brazen igloo]

I just realized Robin gets her bangs back when she turns into devil

[limpid sequoia]

well it doesn't seem like much, but Wano has had themes of betrayal everywhere, so it wouldn't be suprising if Pero just told them to go get the poneglyph while he went with BM to help her or something.

[heady parrot]

it’s not meant to have anything to do with her fruit. she says in the chapter that she’s willing to become what people says she is if it helps her captain reach his dream. Her epithet is Devil Child so she’s just embracing the title with her appearance. It’s probably meant to inspire fear more than anything practical.

[bronze palm]

Ye but you can’t just grown horns out of randomness

It’s the epithet that makes sense to me

[brazen igloo]

Yeah but like how and how is it related to the fruit of growing body parts

[heady parrot]

randomness? considering it’s a giant version of her and we’ve seen her make wings out of hands before it’s probably just a part of her body or multiple parts of her body shaped like a horn.

[bronze palm]

This

[brazen igloo]

So why did Robin never pull this move against trebol?

[bronze palm]

That’s kind of my confusion too lol

[heady parrot]

like she didn’t “grow” horns she just made that giant avatar out of body parts like with every other giant thing she’s made.

[safe glacier]

Prob like zoros asura

[bronze palm]

Robin’s role was barely relevant in dressrosa

[brazen igloo]

Didn’t really look that way since it was solid coloring but I guess we will see

[safe glacier]

Only uses it under heightened emotions

[bronze palm]

I can’t tell if Robin’s demonio form was haki or just shaded black

[heady parrot]

and for the same reason luffy didn’t bust out boundman in punk hazard lol. shonen logic where the new final move is so exhausting that it can be conveniently not used until a cool moment.

[brazen igloo]

It was life or death against trebol lol, but ay it’s manga

[strange musk]

can someone send me some good theories to read. Finished reading theories in #manga-theories

[bronze palm]

Clarify my question

[strange musk]

what?

[modest skiff]

Wait you read all of them already?

[heady parrot]

My head canon is that she’s just capable of changing the colors of whatever she “blooms”. Again, why she hasn’t used it before is beyond me. Oda just likes to draw what he thinks is cool. Logic comes second to fun in one piece.

[bronze palm]

@strange musk this

[strange musk]

yeppppppppp

[modest skiff]

respect.

[strange musk]

probs he was in a hurry lmao

[bronze palm]

I wrote too many sentences just for you to answer in less than a sentence

[strange musk]

lolllllllll

but I dont have an answer to your question frnakly

[bronze palm]

It’s fine lol

[strange musk]

pls someone do

[bronze palm]

Bc I felt like Oda didn’t have roles for the other siblings at the time Pero went into Onigashima

[strange musk]

yeaaaa even i feel the same

but who will they be saved by

[bronze palm]

They can just go up at any moment bc King and Marco aren’t at the top of the waterfall anymore

The only reason why they’re down there is bc their ship got kicked by them, and both of them are in Onigashima so they can just go up there stress-free

[last halo]

There was a person on the sub that had a bunch of long theories there

Forgot their username

[somber sphinx]

If a giant ate a zoan would they be a giant zoan?

thats HYPE

[limpid sequoia]

giant + df = broken

[night lava]

A giant with logia powers

[bronze palm]

King’s race probably has something to do with the world government because there are not many of them which leads to confusion

[stuck sundial]

(Reposting) What if Blackbeard’s goal is to become the pirate king, destroy the red line, then using Gura and Yami to bring every island to the center of the world where Marie Jois used to be and make the world become “One Piece”

[ancient vault]

how does he use the yami?

[stuck sundial]

Darkness brings everything in, so he could bring the islands together

[ancient vault]

It also destroys everything inside of him im pretty sure

[snow herald]

My new theory: one of the ancient weapons is a device that lets you create devil fruits.
Poseidon is a living weapon.
Pluton is a battleship.
Uranus is a device.

[modest skiff]

Do you mean to say something is destroyed by being in his pocket dimension?

[modest skiff]

What supports this?

[snow herald]

My belief

[foggy rain]

Any fun discussions or debates?

[ancient vault]

I dont see how thats different from what I said but yes.

Judging from the fact that BB invaded Drum Island for some reason I feel like Rocks might've invaded Drum Island as well at some point. Possibly recruiting captain John who could be a relative to Dr Kureha

And also dr hiluluk could have been the doc of the ship

[pseudo crest]

Valid theory

[limpid sequoia]

[snow herald]

If memory serves me right, the WG wanted the blueprints for pluton. They want to make DF, artificially and they seem to be taming/keeping various beasts such as seen in impel down.
I think the WG are trying to replicate the weapons and their powers.
With Poseidon they have been trying to control/tame beasts.
With Uranus(which I think allows for DF creation/birth) they are trying to create DF.
With Pluton they are trying to replicate its force and I think the new shichibukai replacement is based off of pluton.

[weary cliff]

I don't think any of this makes any sense

[ancient vault]

yeah me neither lol

Solely basing the taming of beasts on the 3 animals in impel down is not enough.
A better parallel for pluton is simply the buster call.
And Uranus is the sky of the god. If oda stays loyal to at least the names like he did with the other two then uranus should be related to the sky in some way

[weary cliff]

Just makes sense. If Poseidon can dominate seas, pluton destroys islands, uranus holds control over the skies. With the three you have total control

[ancient vault]

Btw I could see Vegapunk getting in trouble soon because cp0 will see that his fruit was not a failure

[slate torrent]

I believe he will receive a nice promotion

[tacit veldt]

Isntt that the case with San Juan Wolf? He's a giant that ate a paramisha that makes you up to 10 times bigger, so he's enormous

[somber sphinx]

yea imagine a giant with a dog dog fruit haha

[light onyx]

Fair

[light onyx]

Fr

[slate torrent]

Oda confirmed wolf was a paramecia user?

[lavish mirage]

is it big momo time?

[gray rover]

What if Gomu Gomu No Mi was wanted by the World Government to make the Red Line rubberised and avoid Pluton or Gura Gura or anything else ever breaking it?

Someone said on a YouTube video

[slim moat]

For the sake of content. It doesn't make sense

[gray rover]

Now I'm reading that Blackbeard absorbed his own siblings whilst being in his mother's womb

[slim moat]

Luffy's awakening is - making trampolines. If anyone saying anything else, you can ignore them. 👍

[gray rover]

Someone's theory

I don't think he needed a devil fruit to absorb other people's powers

[slim moat]

Tankman is overpowered trampoline in a way.

[light onyx]

Ngl I expected to see a personal beef with kizaru and teach

[supple ivy]

i heard a theory that luffys awakening is something to do with erasure. a property of rubber, i personally like this theory because it would give the world government a reason to guard the gomu gomu fruit. and maybe there’s another stage to other than awakening in df. but idk

also anyone wanna discuss. if prime rayleigh is yonko level

[steep vigil]

Luffy is stronger than I expected

I thought he'd get slammed by kaido

[waxen dust]

Uranus is weather related; Edd War proves this

[supple ivy]

i’m not caught up on the manga but could you give me any type of reference relating this to your point

[ancient vault]

Nah he lied to them

[ancient vault]

we dont know if that was urnaus tho

[waxen dust]

Well of course it’s not confirmed; but we can deduce that Uranus was the weapon with Roger and the only phenomenon to occur was the weather suddenly attacking Shiki and his ships.

[ancient vault]

but it was still an egg we dont know if its actually awkaaned yet. It couldve been dragon with his wind fruit that saved Roger who knows

where did u get that from?

[waxen dust]

I don’t think it’s the egg; I think the egg is simply a red herring. Just used as a ploy to throw us off

[ancient vault]

why tf would u assume that when hes over 40 rn LMFAO

He stole it from thatch recently

[waxen dust]

you’re watching the wrong anime

[ancient vault]

So he needed more than 20 years to gather a few crewmates

really asked me why not

[waxen dust]

rewatch episode 325; Teach clearly explains what happens

[ancient vault]

NO REREAD

fcking trash aas toei sucks anyways

[waxen dust]

yeah reread; the guy said he watches the show so I figured that’s what he’s most comfortable with as a media, although manga is better

[ancient vault]

He doesnt even look 16 whwn he steals the fruit

[waxen dust]

Blackbeard must’ve ate the same food as Oden; Super GMOs in their starch

Gerber making babies look like men

[waxen light]

I mean Blackbeard is 40 rn and he stole the fruit while Ace was in the WB pirates. He was like 37-38 when he got it.

[night lava]

How could he "absorb" his siblings

Thats some gore stuff

[ancient vault]

Thats not even true lol. Thats just a theory

[waxen dust]

no one ever said that

[waxen light]

that happens in real life though

[ancient vault]

One that doesnt even make sense

[waxen dust]

LMFAOOOOOO

[waxen light]

Did I say something wrong?

[ancient vault]

nah its possible but its kind of funny 💀

it waant in the manga bruh the guy was reading random theories

[waxen dust]

Officially; not a random person

[ancient vault]

pretty sire its called twin resorption

[ancient vault]

yeah

[waxen dust]

no i know what you meant; I just pictured how Oda would try to draw that in his story

[ancient vault]

His mouth absorbed his twin

[umbral island]

kaido is from the south blue and onigashima is his poop 💯

[pure raven]

What do you guys think luffys devil fruit awakening will be?

[split glacier]

Rubber floors/environment.

[split glacier]

Actual factuals. Usopp has NEVER lied.

[queen arrow]

we already had that story become real in Little Garden

[heavy nexus]

Did y'all watch the yuderon interview with Ohara? I didn't buy ennies lobby but the interview led me to believe that laugh tale is inside a whale

that swims under the ocean. Who will apear after you find the road phonegliphs and sing binks sake, as Oda made it explcit that all the whales love music in one piece

[forest rampart]

Glad you asked. I'll post it after ZKK theory

Got this from others. So the prediction for next chps: Zoro vs King. And after he beats King, he'll go to rooftop: Marco will carry him to the rooftop

Now for the Laugh Tale part..

[heavy nexus]

This comment summarizes it

Laugh tale being inside a whale is such an Oda thing to do as well

[forest rampart]

There'll be a waterfall at Laugh Tale, but maybe at both sides too. Franky will use bouyant taolf wood to help emperor sunny or thousand sunny to get to the top of the red line, to Laugh Tale.

Thing is, I'm not sure about the waterfall part:

• it's size (width),
• what kind of water will it be (seawater or freshwater like wano), and
• how and why would there be a waterfall flowing down from the red line.

@tired osprey @waxen dust

This looks better actually, unless it's marijoa

[upbeat mist]

theres an enourmous difference between leading a military force and ruling people living on land you designated as yours and the fact you dont realize that is worrisome

[modest skiff]

I guess we’ll just see how it all pans out. I don’t think it’s resolvable at this moment. One thing to make clear though: If my goal was toppling the CDs, I would have never hesitated to do a single thing BB has done so far, if in my mind it was necessary. This all comes down to the fact that the CDs have been slave traders and rapists for hundreds of years.

[bitter kraken]

Kaido is definitely going down, prolly will die so what happens to his crew? I’m guessing BM since she’s already there takes some with her? I’m assuming King would be who she tries to take by force of necessary

[tribal belfry]

I feel like Kidd might take some of kaidos crew. They seem to have a similar vibe with kidds crew (the punk style)

[dusky acorn]

Big Mom seems to currently despise the Beast Pirates, so I'm not sure if she'd want any of them with her, besides King

[tribal belfry]

Who’s Who gonna get killed by cp-0 prolly tho

Wonder what’ll happen to Hawkins and Apoo tho

[ancient vault]

P1 and Ulti go to Kid

[modest skiff]

I think its more likely King joins Luffy than BM

[tribal belfry]

What

[ancient vault]

i think hes basically aaying King isnt joining BM lol

[tribal belfry]

Luffys crew is very exclusive lol. BM just tries to breed with new races

[tribal belfry]

I’d be down although p1 is fodder

Rather get sasaki

[dusky acorn]

I like the idea of Jack scooping up the loyal Beast Pirate remnants. What helps his case is that he's actually in a battle with potential to win in. If Inu gets the bad ending and loses/dies through their fight, by that point it'd be near the end of the raid, and Jack could move on to take the remaining crew afterwards

[tribal belfry]

If Jack does beat Inu, someone else would go beat Jack

[modest skiff]

Unique species, unique background, perhaps very special in terms of past history. There are a lot of things that make him mysterious and we know essentially 0 about him. I think there are pieces there that you could slightly say make him an interesting candidate for straw hats. But the beast pirates seem to have huge rivalry with BM. King in particular seems to hate her for some reason.

We don't actually know why King is with the beast pirates. Just to be clear, I am not saying King joining is remotely likely. I am just saying I think its MORE likely than BM. And then once I thought about it more, I started to think it was slightly more possible than I originally thought lol

[dusky acorn]

Well, news wouldn't immediately make its way that Inu loses. Jack will have time, and most people in this war are pretty busy

[tribal belfry]

I mean he’d prolly go try to kill the other scabbards then

[dusky acorn]

It all depends on how the battlefield looks by the time their fight finishes

[tribal belfry]

I doubt he’s the type to give up or run. He gonna go headfirst into a fight he won’t win

Plus if Inu dies I could see potential for carrot

[dusky acorn]

If it's obvious the Beast Pirates and Kaido is about to lose,, I don't think Jack is going to keep rushing to his demise fighting Scabbard after Scabbard

Maybe I'm giving the meathead too much credit, but I see him cutting his losses at that point

[tribal belfry]

I could see queen gathering the remains of the beast pirates

[dusky acorn]

No, keep Usopp memes images out of here @light onyx

[light onyx]

It was a serious question tho

[forest rampart]

I could see that maybe King has a bit parallels with BB, or the AK.
I wonder which part of red line King race lived before. It's interesting we still don't know his age. This gives him a chance that he came from VC, so 800+ yrs old. But maybe not. BB is 40 yrs old. Referring to my earlier thought, King might has a normal age, around BB's age smth if not younger or older.
Other than that King's race could knew smth about the history behind Marijoa (also Laugh Tale), perhaps the other reason why WG eliminated them was because of their fire would reveals the existence of Laugh Tale above the RL, during the nights. But how big was those flame above their head? Oxygen is scarce above high place even in OP. More oxygen would ignite those flames to be even bigger in size. But if the opposite happens, it would require a lot of those people/race to light up the top of the RL. So maybe they used to guide people to LT in the past?

[ancient vault]

Why r u connecting King to BB?

[forest rampart]

I think that BB (three eyed tribe) faced about the similar fate as King's race. So I thought that if we don't know fully about King even after Wano ends, maybe we'll get to see more info about King at Elbaf since BB will be there. It doesn't really has to be BB himself to spill the beans on what happened to King's race, nor about his own past. Oda could reveals it in the form of flashback too afterall.

[tawdry bramble]

Why do you think BB is 3 eyed tribe?

[forest rampart]

I came to share my thoughts on Robin actually. I already expected her to be in beaten up state even if she wins the fight since I was sure that Black Maria will be a pretty though opponent for her. One of my idea is that blackbeard pirates ( Shiryu, Devon or Lafitte) will appears while Robin is in the beaten up state. But since my opinions have changed, I'm not so sure about it now. At least, it could be like that Devon will disguise as Robin and will only reveals her true identity later, like the next day after that if not in like 2-3 days.
Also, if someone with flying ability comes, it means that BMP will face the similar fate again. It could be Lafitte or Kuzan. Or maybe both but only one of them will kicks BMP ship again down the waterfall.

!birb2 "how to stop him?"

[lone hedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/486983010025996299/718415079854440538/birb2.png

[ancient vault]

!birb

[lone hedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/164971940648321024/553481746088198155/Boiiiiii.png

[forest rampart]

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/hm41it/blackbeard_and_the_3_eyes_tribe/?utm_source=amp&utm_medium=&utm_content=post_body

[pure raven]

Guys what is the dumbest yet also genius theory if it does come true ?

[weary cliff]

The dumbest crack theory I throw some support into is Yamato joining as a brew-master, mostly that he'll be able to keep up cola supplies

[storm junco]

wildest one ive heard is vegapunk = kizaru

[fading thorn]

raftel is under enies lobby

[ancient vault]

thats dumb. Not genius

[slim moat]

If we exclude totto land, strawhats didn't explore many islands in New world.

Punk Hazard, Greenbit, Dressrosa, Zou, Wano.

[weary cobalt]

Yes what's a pirate crew without a brew master? Pirates love to drink !

[pure raven]

Have you guys ever heard of crocodile is a woman theory? It's won't be happen imo but it will be more halirous if crocodile is actually luffy mother as the theory predicts

[light onyx]

Crocomum?

[gusty oracle]

Man, King's race is inspired on Garuda

[upbeat mist]

i believe in trans croc but not crocomom

[cyan berry]

you should believe in neither

[weary cliff]

femcroc isn't even remotely outlandish, Youss

[sturdy hound]

people think the secret has to do with eva's power just bc he's the one that brought it up

i bet you no one woulda thought that if someone else brought it up

[amber oar]

Not showing Croc's face at Roger's execution is sus

[sturdy hound]

maybe he was just ugly

the stitches on his face are from his plastic surgery

[modest skiff]

Or he hated his body to the point where he wanted to die until realizing someone could just turn them into a dude

[sturdy hound]

i feel like croc would be happy if that were the case

occam's razor fellas

[modest skiff]

This might be getting too deep, but Oda has shown he does a ton of research when it makes sense: this isn’t always the outcome, unfortunately. Croc could be stable but depressed and it would fit with modern psychology

[sturdy hound]

yea, youre reading too much into it

imo at least

we might not even learn the secret tbh

inb4 oda forgot about it

[knotty sky]

Femcroc is not a bad theory but the fact that theres like a small amount of people that actually believe crocomom is nuts

[modest skiff]

I drift this direction and I agree, but as a chemist, there have been like 2 times where I’m like “holy shit how much research did this guy do??? This is amazing”

[queen arrow]

i think it's just not to give a scar timeline, same reason Shanks' face was hidden

[light onyx]

Who is that guy who always eats meat on shanks crew I wanna learn more about him

[pure raven]

Love that idea

The One Piece clues

• Whales
• bottom
• vivre cards
• Music
• 2 sides of the same coin
• Time
• laughter
• questions the world
• war
• voices of all things

Hypothesis = Forgotten treasure

Think all of these things are connected to one big puzzle that is the One Piece

[errant nova]

I think WB took Croc’s hand and Ivankov knows about it

[steel breach]

Ain’t happenin

There’s really no evidence lol

[pure raven]

The One Piece Theory

• Whales
• bottom
• vivre cards
• Music
• 2 sides of the same coin
• Time
• laughter
• questions the world
• war
• voices of all things

Hypothesis = Forgotten treasure
Hypothesis = unites all races
Hypothesis = requires key
Hypothesis = inversion or parallel to the treasure shanks gave luffy(straw hat)

Conclusion = A revival of a tool, image or voice that conveys and symbolizes a message from the void century.

Given all the clues we know currently, this is what I think is a lead to the treasure itself. As for the actual content of the treasure itself, that's up for more speculation and investigation.

What do you guys think?

[scenic thicket]

aokiji joined blackbeard to keep robin away from the one piece

[signal canyon]

ayo what if the giant strawhat is actually joyboy and whoever wears it becomes the joyboy

[bronze palm]

Poneglyph

[nova spindle]

I just realized that one of the top theories that i hate just got demolished by oda

the one about the red line breaking being one piece

[pure raven]

I don't think so since it's already known throughout the world since all it gives is history, directions to that place.

But I do think if someone were to investigate all the glyphs they would find out the entire truth of the world, my head-cannon makes me think it's dragon that did that. and that raftel itself is like a short cut to everything.

[pure raven]

Is there a chapter or video that debunked it?

[stuck sundial]

(Reposting) What if Blackbeard’s goal is to become the pirate king, destroy the red line, then using Gura and Yami to bring every island to the center of the world where Marie Jois used to be and make the world become “One Piece” any thoughts?

[nova spindle]

@pure raven not exactly. but marco mentions kings race as one that lived on top of the red line

and assuming his race is old, it means the red line was always there

[supple anchor]

we have no idea about what BB is trying to do, however I don't see what that accomplishes. Why would BB want to bring all the islands together just to be able to call it "one piece"? BB seems much more interested in his own personal power and he clearly has some goal hes trying to achieve but the amount of effort he would have to put in to completely rework the entire world just to be essentially make a pun doesnt seem logical to me.

its waaaay too early to accurately guess what BB is trying to accomplish, but its definitely based on history and some knowledge that BB has that almost no one else does

[stuck sundial]

If he was pirate king and all of the islands are together, then he could lead all of the world at once

[tawdry phoenix]

shanks will not die in the final war\

[supple anchor]

BB hasn't shown that ruling the world is his goal. also there are easier ways to rule the world than to literally reshape all the islands into one continent, it would probably take multiple lifetimes to even get close. the CDs have been building one bridge for hundreds of years and they themselves are nowhere close to finishing it. idk man this theory has 0 weight with me, it seems like the most difficult and convoluted way to accomplish a goal

[weary cliff]

Of course. He'll die before laugh tale

[tawdry phoenix]

shanks will die never

[pure raven]

@ancient vault @modest skiff thoughts? Care to critique this

@waxen dust

[waxen dust]

I’m watching something rn, I’ll look at this later on tho

[fading thorn]

idk why people think shanks is gonna die before meeting luffy

imagine from a publisher standpoint. think about the sales that chapter, and the volume, that its gonna make

not to mention how many ppl would actually just drop the series

[weary cliff]

I agree, it would be the biggest tease and denial to have them never reunite. I'm sure they'll have something, I just think Shanks will die before luffy becomes PK and has a chance to return the hat

[fading thorn]

idk if bb and shanks will ever fight again. theyve already clashed once and idk if oda wants them to fight again

but killing luffys brother and then his idol would be brutal

[ancient vault]

We know there has to be one more poneglyph on raftel whatever that poneglyph is. Whether thats the OP is another discussion.

[fading thorn]

who was he talking to?

[limpid sequoia]

I mean thinking back to Ace's death, Oda could do it after we get a short moment where they reunite, but I agree that Shanks isn't getting offscreened or anything before Luffy has a meaninful interaction with him

[weary cliff]

B.B. is set up to fight Shanks, half of Shanks's on screen time has been related to B.B.

[weary cliff]

Shanks at MF

[fading thorn]

welp shit shanks is dead

[ancient vault]

Sounds logical. Whats the point of the words u listed at first

[fading thorn]

why does bb want to defeat shanks?

the panel makes it sound like defeating shanks is part of his master plan

[weary cliff]

It's so stupid obvious for Oda to have B.B. kill Shanks that I can't help but expect him to subvert the trope. But like what else do you do with Shanks?

[dull stratus]

Really don't have a clue

[fading thorn]

i dont think hes gonna die before meeting luffy but hes definitely gonna die before the story ends

[dull stratus]

And is B.B going for another fruit?

[fading thorn]

i feel like shanks has a red poneglyph and thats why he feels like defeating shanks is part of his plan

but why he wouldnt go to big moms area to aquire her red poneglyph during this time idk

[weary cliff]

I don't think B.B. has a grudge, but he recognizes that Shanks is in his way. Shanks is all about keeping the status quo in check, seemingly specifically to keep people like B.B. from going wild. So they're natural enemies

[dull stratus]

Cause I have a friend who said that he's going for Kaido's fruit

[fading thorn]

sounds dumb narratively, we just fought a dragon so why would we have to fight another one later on

[dull stratus]

Yes

[pure raven]

Oh those were just clues that led me up to that conclusion

I think looking at the inspiration for One Piece and the first chapter is the biggest clue to revealing the mystery of the treasure

[dull stratus]

Probably, he's still dominating the earthquake fruit (forgot the name of it)

[fading thorn]

the one piece is on the sun because the first chapters name is romance dawn

[dull stratus]

Omg, one piece location reveald

Um, I have a question

[errant silo]

do u guys think sabo died

imo oda wouldnt repeat luffy brother deaths

[dusky crest]

no way sabo died

[errant silo]

yeah i agree i think hes part of the murder attempt thing that was mentioned

[dull stratus]

Did it ever apeard someone that has already a fruit eating another and dying?

[limpid sequoia]

yeah sabo probably got framed for cobra dying or something

[dusky crest]

probably something like that yeah

[errant silo]

yeah true

[fading thorn]

didnt dadan say something about just finding out he was alive

[dull stratus]

Yes

[errant silo]

wdym? i forgot what she says

[dusky crest]

ye me too idk what ur talking ab

[fading thorn]

here

[dusky crest]

yeah it

[fading thorn]

so that would mean that he is supposedly dead

[weary cliff]

No, we have no examples for this actually happening. It's just commonly accepted as true

[dusky crest]

nah thats cause sabo was thought to be dead when he tried sailing out at 11 or twelve or something

[fading thorn]

so i dont think he is being framed for anything

[limpid sequoia]

or captured and sentenced to death or something similar, it could technically refer to him being a "criminal" but Dadan is literally a bandit so idk

[dull stratus]

Soooooo, there's n reason to think why BB hasn’t got already a third fruit

[fading thorn]

so that would imply a clash between him and someone else

[limpid sequoia]

also no reason to believe that he has a 3rd one

[errant silo]

ah damn

[dusky crest]

im all cerberus theory, so I think he has a third alreayd yea

[dull stratus]

That's a good point

[dusky crest]

yall ever heard of cerberus theory

[errant silo]

the kracken theory is interesting

[dull stratus]

I didn't

[fading thorn]

also there was a scene with doffy. so something to do with celestial dragons/hidden treasure of marijoa

[errant silo]

he has 3 skulls on his jolly roger
cerberus = dog with 3 heads

[weary cliff]

As flimsy as kraken is to me, it makes more sense so far than Cerberus

[errant silo]

yeah

[dusky crest]

k so I'll explain, so basically you know how bb always has 3 skulls on his flag, 3 beard things, 3 guns on his waist, so cerberus cerberus no mi (mythical dog - dog model) is a fruit with the ability to give 3 different personalities, each taking a fruit

[dull stratus]

But probably, bb discoverd by himself that the whole thing about eating 2 fruits and die is a bullshit

[errant silo]

i disagree w that

[dusky crest]

no but his body is just different, also he doesnt sleep so thats another thing contributing to the 3 different personalities thing

[dull stratus]

That could be

[dusky crest]

or maybe some sort of ancient tribe that he is a part of, which we know ancient tribes exist bc of the reveal of pudding's third eye tribe

[limpid sequoia]

there would have already been a lot more people with 2 fruits then, you'd be amazed how many dumbasses out there would try it and fail for it to become common knowledge that it doesn't work.

[dull stratus]

But eating a fruit that gives a person the abillity to eat other fruits is kinda contradictory

Because it's the same body

[limpid sequoia]

makes more sense than BB simply being built different

[dusky crest]

ofc the two fruits and die thing has to be a rule, but BB can bypass it either with the help of another fruit (mythical cerberus fruit in my opinion), or he is part of an ancient tribe who's bodies are just different (he doesnt sleep and people have said repeatedly that his body is weird)

[errant silo]

well maybe yk how octopuses/krakens have 3 hearts
maybe he can take 3 devil fruits for each heart

and most people can only take 1 bc they have one heart? idk

[dusky crest]

i dont think oda;s gonna make it about hearts and all that

[dull stratus]

But the devil inside the fruit would battle with the other one, bringing him to death

[weary cliff]

after all, a sword doesn't have a heart

[dull stratus]

he is build diferently from other people

[dusky crest]

yeah thats true, but we still have to see how vegapunk makes "things" eat fruits

[errant silo]

true. should be interesting to see how oda spins it

[dusky crest]

but what ab the recent chapter, do yall think the raid will end in kaido defeat

[dull stratus]

Yes

[dusky crest]

ye me too but i think people saying itll be just luffy vs kaido is wrong

[errant silo]

not act 3 but maybe act 5
zoro and sanji seemed too hopeful

[dusky crest]

i think zoro and sanji will help luffy and end it within 10-15 chap actually

[dull stratus]

Is he or big mom that will go

[dusky crest]

I think we're really coming close to the end, bc all the tobi roppo are dead

[errant silo]

isnt it 5 acts
or do u mean the end of the raid and not wano

[dusky crest]

Yeah the end of the raid, meaning kaido defeat

[errant silo]

could be. what do u think act 4 and act 5 will be about then

[dull stratus]

I would say, big mom

[dusky crest]

i think big mom will survive, act 4 and 5 maybe about overthrowing shogunate and reinstating the kozuki clan

[errant silo]

oh yeah that kinda makes sense

[dusky crest]

and then the poneglyphs too

[dull stratus]

And, if BB is really going for the Dragon fruit, he will apear

[dusky crest]

yeah thats truee

[dull stratus]

Like, he was only watching for the perfect moment to kill kaido and steal his fruit

[dusky crest]

I think there will be a couple chapters or maybe a hidden place in wano where all the poneglyph secrets or maybe just so,me will be revealerd, maybe it is revealed by that old blacksmith luffy first met who had that sword

[dull stratus]

Anulating the cerberus theory

[dusky crest]

i think that cursed sword guy could be a legacy of the blacksmiths who made the poneglyphs and he will reveal the secrets because the crew helped that little girl

[dull stratus]

Maybe

[dusky crest]

who he was living with

[limpid sequoia]

how you gonna make a theory based on someone who's name u can't even remember

[dusky crest]

lmaooo my bad it was so long back

[dull stratus]

But, u know what would be amazing?

[dusky crest]

?

[dull stratus]

All "five" yonkous apearing in wano

[dusky crest]

but what would bring them together

[dull stratus]

Kaido and big mom are already there

If BB goes there, shanks will follow him

[north sigil]

this is something random and doesn't make sense but what if Kaido and whitebeard grew up on the same island?

[dusky crest]

prolly not

[dull stratus]

Not that he is going for the Dragon for himself, but it could be for one of his members

[north sigil]

yea ik but it sounds interesting

[dusky crest]

yeah true, that would explain the rocks crew and stuff

[limpid sequoia]

well didn't wb grow up on the sphinx island that he fixed and hid?

[dull stratus]

And, get the big mom's fruit

[dusky crest]

big moms fruit is weird bc they never specified how she got it right

[dull stratus]

Yea

[north sigil]

pretty sure, but we don't know where kaido was born. not saying this is true but it sounds cool

[pure raven]

She ate her mom

[dusky crest]

the perosn in charge of the orphanage had it and somehow after she blacked out and everyone left she go tit

yeah i thought that too but no way she ate all those kids and the orphanage person

[limpid sequoia]

she ate them all buddy

[dusky crest]

the only person that knows is that pirate cook guy who witnessed it all the one that can cut anything into food

[north sigil]

and the elbaf giant

[dull stratus]

I think that garp will die

[dusky crest]

i think so too he way too old

he gone die protecting luff from bb

[dull stratus]

But, he could kick akainu's ass

[dusky crest]

nah i think aokiji is gonna do that

[dull stratus]

as he said to sengoku "you better stop me, or I will kill sakazuki"

[dusky crest]

aokiji is 100 percent doing a renatch with akainu towards the end and settle it by killing him

what do u guys think ab aokiji and what he was doing with bb

[dull stratus]

One thing that makes me wonder is what's the power of the new almirant

[dusky crest]

cuz remember smoke guy said that

[dull stratus]

What does he do and what he looks like

[dusky crest]

oh new admiral the one that fasted for 3 years or smtg

maybe the new admiral is some buddhist guy

who fasts and meditates or some shit like thar

[ancient vault]

hes ugly

[modest skiff]

Thanks for asking for my perspective, happy to offer it:

(1) Can you clarify what you mean by "bottom"?

(2) What do vivre cards indicate to you?

(3) 2 sides of the same coin?

First of all, I really like the way you formulated this. I do think it would have been helpful for you to give a little more detail per bullet point though. I don't think the One Piece is as simple as something which gives society information or something like that. One of my original theories was that the One Piece would somehow transmit information to all living people and that it would be so damning that the entire world would openly revolt against the CDs. But as the story went on, specifically the stories of Doffy's past, we saw that every day citizens already understand that the CDs are scum. There is no convincing to do. They are wretched and everyone knows that. This is part of why Sengoku is a worthless coward.

So based on the story since then, I don't think the One Piece is history. I have considered a mass amnesia event (don't reference other series in response to this, per server rules) but it has the same flaw: Everyone already hates the CDs.

The only information that I think could be legitimately problematic for the CDs is if there is some key to transcendence or space travel that people simply need to know about. If there is some type of power or something that people just need to hear of to gain, it is possible the CDs were able to remove this power from the global population through some method.

I think someone in this thread mentioned a connection between whales and music and I think that is really good and I actually 'd when I read that. I think it is really, really worth focusing on. Whale music/sounds/communication is significant and I think it really does relate to something involving Joyboy or whatever. We got a pretty big hint of this from Laboon latching on to Brook's crew at an early age. I think music can be used as a form of taming of whales. And as we have seen, whales can be truly amazingly large, similar to seakings but smaller than the "super sea kings" that appear to have VOAT.

The Red Line prevents whales from spreading their song across the world. I wonder what the song did. When Luffy got the whole Hancock kingdom to dance and sing with him, it was significant and definitely an example of a unique power. It feels like, based on what we know, Joyboy has some kind of unique ability to inspire/influence people with music or song or dance. Seems easy to relate to whales when we already know the seakings referred to the FEELINGS of whales. We should keep in mind that whales seem intelligent.

An important question: Who do the whales miss, what did their song do, who did whales like listening to previously? Perhaps Joyboy tames whales through song the same way Shirahoshi does with Seakings.

It is possible none of that relates to the one piece but i think it might be a requirement to get it. I'm just not sure how it would work. I have nothing really to relate whales to the one piece. We know that Roger reached Laugh Tale and seems to have found the one piece, but it isn't clear that he was able to use it in a meaningful way. Maybe it needs whales. Maybe it is similar to how it appears seakings are necessary to pilot Noah, perhaps whales are necessary to utilize the one piece. I think it is possible that Pluton requires whales in some way, similar to how the Hancock kingdom uses those dragon things.

We know that King's race was wiped off the red line. We don't know of any other races that live on the red line other than the CDs. That is super suspicious because its unbelievably large. It should be possible to hide something ON the red line. I am confused by King's race being wiped out. I am assuming other races either used to or still do live on the Red Line.

One of my theories is that the Red Line was the only natural part of the planet and the islands are from destroyed moons

[dull stratus]

Probably, only the "joyboy" could use the one piece in a proper way

[modest skiff]

Yeah I think that's possible. If that is true, his musical abilities inspiring whales may be related to that

[bronze palm]

Can anyone answer a question?

[reef solstice]

shoot

[pure raven]

if someone can make a black blade then can’t then make a conquer blade

[quiet forum]

@pure raven only the strongest characters have blackblade

[high narwhal]

Shanks dosen't have a bb

[cold root]

there’s a theory about how the 4 coordinates (from the 4 road poneglyphs) to laugh tale / one piece are - longitude, latitude, altitude and time. hence the emphasis on how roger and crew were early for 20 years (and how oden told toki to skip ahead). perhaps one piece can only be utilised in this time when joyboy’s will has been inherited.

[modest skiff]

The only thing I disagree with is I think it can be multiple times and I think it’s on a cycle that corresponds to the 8 original moons or whatever aligning

[unreal marlin]

If the one piece is at the bottom of enies lobby and the merry sank at enies lobby. The merry could be at raftel

[cold root]

yeah maybe, we’ll never know till the end 😞

[queen arrow]

Merry didn't sink on Enies Lobby

[amber oar]

not this shit again

[pure raven]

Sorry for the late reply lool but to respond ill answer each points first

Bottom clue - this one is mostly influenced by Yuderon's theory . The entire dawn idea and hidden translations; how there could be something at the bottom, not sure if it's under ennies lobby, but I think he's got the right idea for where the potential location could be.

Vivre Cards - I think this clue is significant because it ties to locations a lot, and how you can't get to a specific place without one. One of my head-cannon thinks it's tied to some ancient being similar to Zunshiea in Laugh Tale that's waiting for a "JoyBoy". Another reach is in chapter 573 when akainu was about to attack Luffy, luffy gets concerned about ace's vivre card. the last thing that connected him and brought him to his brother, which I would consider be something luffy regards as a treasure. Always thought that scene was suspicious because it didn't have to be added for Akainu to carry out his goal.

2 sides of the same coin - For this it mostly ties to how Oda uses inversions in the story, creating the perfect mask and adding to the unpredictability. It's from an interview Oda did long ago, he said \he wanted to create a story that connects the past and future. He makes a lot of mirrors and reverses throughout the story here are a few examples.

• Kuina and Tashigi
• Luffy and Blackbeard
• Roger and noland
• Donquixote Majsogard

there's a ton more but these are just the more obvious ones I can come up with at the top of my head. I think from a narrative aspect Oda will use this to make connections to the One Piece, have no idea how but I think it all ties to the first chapter and luffy's treasure the straw hat.

THEORY
for the actual theory or conclusion, I don't think it's history itself so much but more so something forgotten that's lying dormant waiting to be awakened. Might be some tool that's symbolizes a message or perhaps a voice , because of how they tie to the poneglyphs

[ancient vault]

the vivrecard scene was a simple tool to insert more drama, intense into ace's death build up. Since it was introduced all the way back in alabasta. Youre looking to much into that scene. It was added for luffy and for the reader to realize this is ace's end.

The "conclusion" is fine and probable. Just your steps towards that conclusion are filled with a bit to much headcanon and reaches. And it's better to explain these bits like you did now instead of just posting the keywords

[pure raven]

I know lol, I even called it a reach. But I think the entire vivre card are just one of many clues. Because you wouldn't be able to get to a certain place without them like Zou. because it's practically impossible to reach without it. I know it may be head-cannon but I think it's possible, maybe there's some ancient creature or being at raftel and that the Poneglyphs reveal the where this vivre card is to reach this person. of sorta like how they revealed where Posiedon was. Since navigating there is severely difficult idk just my speculation

[ancient vault]

We only got to zou cause raizo was on zou. The vivrecards are connected to a person

Also we dont know if minks are able to locate zunisha without vivrecards cause I've never seen a mink usr a virecard so far

[silk rain]

wb jack's vivre card

[ancient vault]

?

[silk rain]

jack had a vivre card to zou

[ancient vault]

Didmt he have raizos too? From kanjuro

[silk rain]

but he couldve found raizo if thats the case

[ancient vault]

Can you post the panel?

[modest skiff]

I agree with @ancient vault , this is just a bit too much headcanon and reach. I don’t think you have enough support for each sub point

[queen arrow]

was Raizo's Vivre card with Raizo?

[ancient vault]

Yeah i was about to say hiqu

The card only directs one the another card

[queen arrow]

because Vivre Cards just lead to other pieces of the same card yeah

[modest skiff]

I assumed Jack found Zou using a vivre card of Kanjuro

[silk rain]

I see what you guys mean, that means if it was Raizo's vivre card, then somebody took it from him

[queen arrow]

Kanjuro hadn't been to Zou at that point in time

they got separated from Raizo and Raizo got to Zou first iirc

[modest skiff]

I thought I remembered Kanjuro making a shitty bird to get up Zou

Was that after?

[ancient vault]

prob inu and neko. I mean they chained him against the poneglyph to hide him. Its not a reach to think they took his card so he couldnt be found at all

[queen arrow]

i only remember Kanjuro making a shitty bird in Dressrosa

[ancient vault]

Also earlier in wano

[modest skiff]

Honestly I’m probably just mistaken, now I remember the whole idea was that Jack cooked everyone’s goose before Luffy and crew showed up

Like when Luffy got there, Inu was in bandages and stuff

It’s hilarious how this story is so damn huge we can forget so much lol

[silk rain]

The only problem I have with this is that Inu and Neko both think there is a traitor, but dont they blame each other for being the traitor? I couldnt imagine them reaching an agreement on that

[ancient vault]

Right after they got sent to the future

[ancient vault]

Noone blamed eachother. Thats what kanjuro criticized them about. But thats how they rolled and had to roll because accusing each other constantly would break apart the group

[drowsy marsh]

Why would Laugh tale be under Ennies lobby?

[silk rain]

Im pretty sure that this is the panel where they first start blaming each other, for oden's death and being a spy

But its not as clear as i thought it was

I just always thought that being the traitor was why they hated each other

[ancient vault]

We had the same discourse before and after as well. That was an imidiate reaction with all sorts of feelings at a peak. I think you understand that if they were to continue this argument they wouldve prob lost everything.

Also the best case for them wouldve been accusing Raizo. Raizo is on zou and suddenly jack appears? Accusing him wouldve been the best but they didn't

Kanjuro says it here again

[modest skiff]

So wait, sorry, I am confused. What is your conclusion, swrml?

[silk rain]

Ok so they hate each other for something else. Ive been thinking all this time it was because of a traitor. Also that confirms the vivre card wasn't attatched to zou itself

[ancient vault]

Im just explaining that none of the scabbards wouldve even dared to entertain the idea of a traitor inside of the crew because:

1. Honor
2. Risking losing everything to constant arguments and fights within the group

They all knew. They didnt dare to bring it up tho

[ancient vault]

Pretty sure youre still right tho. They just didnt bring it up anywhere else except among themselves.
It is infact true that inu and neko almost died because of the argument but some how managed to flee from the numbers and leave wano

Additionally I think the fact that Jack nearly killed both of them and took a limb from each of them caused them to drop the believes of the other being the traitor

[supple ivy]

who thinks the done piece is where the one piece is

[sly mulch]

The one piece is a window to the outside world. That’s why Roger and the crew laughed because they realized everyone is a part of a show.

[opaque pivot]

Something like that I guess

[sly mulch]

Correct me if I’m wrong the Ohara one piece theory only talks about the location of the one piece not what is the one piece

[hollow sparrow]

This is the most insane theory u will ever see luffy will become a yonko cuz 2 yonko defeated by one so naturally the place goes to luffy then shanks will die fighting against black beard and then luffy will use gear 5 to defeat him this is the ultimate theory pleaser send to everyone

[ancient vault]

ur right

[foggy rain]

Ayoooo what y’all got goin on here

[teal nymph]

yo can any1 tell how hawkins uses his df like turning ppl in Voodoo doll ? does he do it by touching them or some other way ?

[limpid sequoia]

no clue, haven't learned anything about it really

[teal nymph]

and y can't he take kaido's life hostage like he did with kidd is it coz of the same reason that his haki is way too strong thus negating hakins df ?

[foggy rain]

He has to be stronger or of equal strength to his puppet or relatively close

I think

[upper crater]

What i like to think is,
Imagine kaido has 1000 hp
And the voodoo only has 100 hp
And assuming taking someone life as hostage require some prerequisit
He would probably die before he can deal a significant damage to kaido
All of these are assumptions

[foggy rain]

Does that imply he can take on kid then since he has kid as a puppet

[teal nymph]

i think yes since he has already taken kidd hostage

but having seen kidd stand his ground against kaido and bigmon it would appear that hawkins is not close to kidd's lvl atm

[upper crater]

Could be, or maybe using up kid’s voodoo, would just deal enough damage to kid significantly. Killer killing kid could entirely be just a bluff from hawkins

[supple ivy]

it could be like big moms df if you show a sense of fear or something you could be taken hostage and become a voodoo doll

but i guess that dosent work because kidd aint really scared of no one a bit like luffy

[supple ivy]

no just no this is too straight foward

[pure raven]

So hawkins cant make vodo doll out of kaido and bm cause of there haki . Same reason as law unable to separate them.

[zinc iris]

yes haki powerful enough makes you resistant to being directly affected by a df power

[light onyx]

Which Haki tho

[dusky acorn]

Well, I'd assume Law is the main example Entry has in mind there

But for his case, any specific haki category to stop his power hasn't ever been stated, each time its been brought up

Smoker just told Tashigi her haki isn't good enough to handle his power, Doffy said something similar with Vergo, and then again with the Emperors Law just said their 'haki' is too strong. A lot assume it's armament, but we just don't know

As for when Hawkins got Kid's voodoo doll, we know for a fact it couldn't have been before the raid. Back in Act 2, Hawkins explicitly stated he had exactly 4 lives in his possession when taking Shachi, Bepo's, and Penguins. Including his own, that is indeed 4

I like to think he acquires lives through DNA, and the Straw Sword attack he did on Kid earlier managed to catch a shred of his hair. So, that was the purpose of the move all along, potentially. But yeah, haki monsters like Kaido should be unaffected, otherwise chance of victory back at the alliance shouldn't have been 0%, if there's a chance to take his life hostage

[pure raven]

Guys do you think, Kid will be like the new whitebeard if luffy become the pirate king ?

[visual merlin]

nah

[pure raven]

Law and Koby maybe like sengoku and garp to roger but instead it is luffy

[ancient vault]

usually with vodoo dolls u need a piece of hair or some dna too I believe

[weary cliff]

Yeah, that's the vibe I get

[fallen tartan]

Not in the same way

Personally not a fan of such parallels - I'd rather Luffy as PK has different dynamics than Roger did - we don't need 'his Garp/WB/etc' in the same way

[weary cliff]

I don't think any of them are the same way. Luffy's marine acquaintances aren't like Garp was to Roger, for example

[lucid igloo]

Hi everyone. First time posting. What do you think of the possibility of the big mom crew that arrived in wano eventually joining the battle in onigashima

[plush pike]

I think it will happen after Kaido loses, and that's how Big Mom is gonna get out of Wano and to Elbaf. I think that Big Mom is going to see the ghost of Mother Carmel in the Fire Festival and seek answers in Elbaf.

This of course ties into the fact that there is a huge ghost theme in Wano, and the Fire Festival is literally a festival to celebrate the dead, and the day in which the veil between life and death is thinnest.

Also, Big Mom destroyed a sacred tree that Sasaki was tied to early on in the raid.

This would explain why Big Mom is in Wano to begin with, as well as explain her role moving forward.

[lucid igloo]

I like this idea, but I don't see Oda giving another arc to the Big Mom Pirates. This is the climax of the whole post time skip arc so far, so for big mom to be defeated after Kaido doesn't make sense to me story wise.

I think it would be a bit tiring to see big mom again, and it's unlike Oda to bring back a character so many times.

Imo, plot wise it makes more sense for both Big Mom and Kaido to be completely defeated during Wano cementing Luffy as an emperor.

[plush pike]

That would make Big Mom's entire plotline with Elbaf fall flat without resolving her hunger pangs, her story with Mother Carmel and her close ties/rivalry with the giants of Elbaf. It would make no narrative sense to just leave Big Mom's story here.

[ancient vault]

Her close ties with elbaf dont need her to go to elbaf again. They hate her there. Its not like shes needed there

About her hunger pangs and mother carmel story was already explained in WCI only thing missing is her finding out that she ate the kids and mother carmel

[plush pike]

And how would she find out that?

And of course they hate her, that's why it's a plot point that needs to be resolved.

[lucid igloo]

Maybe a defeated big mom arrives in Elbaf, she finds out about her eating the kids and Carmel, and she suffers some sort of mental anguish? Just throwing ideas here

[ancient vault]

cp0 exists

[forest rampart]

Wonder if BM found out about that she ate Carmel, will that change her personality? Will she be a better person somehow? Will it changed her dream to become a PK?

[plush pike]

That's true, it could be another way she finds out.

[plush pike]

She does view anyone who insults her dream to be a bad person that needs to be eliminated, so what if she finds out she hurt her dream of seeing Mother Carmel again? That would make her hate herself. It would definitely make her have some introspection.

[fallen tartan]

it's unlike Oda to bring back a character so many times

If he did it wouldn't be out of place. They're yonkos, it's fine if it takes multiple arcs to take them out fully imo

[forest rampart]

Nice take

[plush pike]

Agreed, and if Elbaf contains the three remaining yonko, it's going to be hellah hype.

Including Luffy every emperor would then have a reason to be in Elbaf.

[lucid igloo]

I just think it would be pretty tiring to see her again. 3 arcs in a row is a lot. Plot wise it would be a mess, but maybe Oda finds a way

[plush pike]

Blackbeard to potentially finish off Shanks, Shanks because he has ties to Elbaf (symbolism of his ship/connection to Tyr etc.), Big Mom to resolve her rivalry with the giants and find out the truth about Mother Carmel, and Luffy because he wants to see Shanks and go to Elbaf with Usopp.

[fallen tartan]

Before we knew Wano would be this long, some people thought we'd liberate Wano but without killing Kaido

[plush pike]

I still don't think Kaido is going to die

CP0 could clean up the operation after he's out of commission, locking him in the secret level 7 of Impel Down or something.

[lucid igloo]

Agree. This would be what Kaido wants, it would be a victory for him of some sort. But I do see Kaido being out of action after Wano

[forest rampart]

If BM comes to Elbaf, maybe it'll be in the middle of the arc if not near the end of the arc. Maybe she'll fight a giant, like Loki, idk

[plush pike]

Yeah I hope the opening of the arc will be less stressful and give more of an exploration vibe. Like with the start of Skypeia or Thriller Bark

[fallen tartan]

Sorry I should've said some people thought it wouldn't be the end of Kaido, as in he goes on to pick a fight with the marines or something after leaving wano

[plush pike]

Leading up to their meeting with Shanks and whatnot.

[lucid igloo]

I like the theory that Elbaf will be a more chill arc where the strawhats will compete against the Red Hair pirates in a Davy back fight. To this day, there's no point of that arc being in the story (except the end where aokiji is introduced)

[fallen tartan]

But since Wano has gone this long and deep, I think most people now think he'll be out of action after Wano, dead or alive

[forest rampart]

Nah. I imagine it'll start with fights immediately after that, smth somewhat like Enies Lobby (Luffy started the fight alone there). But the fight will only starts immediately after SHs arrive. Before SHs arrive, we'll get to see a bit view of Elbaf, or the view of Elbaf as overall.

[plush pike]

It could be the case, I would love to see it. However, how can you make a casual Davy Back fight happen when all characters involved are so OP?

It would be like, Sanji doing 50 laps in one second of the roller blade course.

[plush pike]

I also like the idea of them landing and immediately being attacked by super powerful giants

[lucid igloo]

I'm sure Oda can find a way. There's so many possibilities when it comes to the Davy back fight, Oda could think of any sort of competition.

It doesn't make sense for the strawhats to have an all out war with the red haired pirates and we know Luffy wants to defeat all 4 emperors. He stated this all the way back in punk hazard

[plush pike]

To solidify that the giants are indeed the most powerful army in the world.

I don't think it would be an all-out war either, but I do have to wonder if Zoro will challenge Shanks to a duel.

I mean, Shanks used to be Mihawk's rival right?

Or maybe not since Shanks is missing an arm?

[forest rampart]

nah, wont happen

[plush pike]

Being the strongest swordsman is literally his dream. If he doesn't challenge one of the strongest swordsmen in existence, a literal yonko, how is he ever gonna get there?

[lucid igloo]

I think the giants will welcome the strawhats. If big mom is defeated, news will reach Elbaf and the strawhats would arrive as heroes.

As for Mihawk, he's a crewless pirate who's lost his warlord status. Maybe he decides he wants to chill with Red Haired Pirates and is also at Elbaf?

This would tie in nicely with Luffy meeting Shanks, Ussop meeting Yassop and Zoro meeting mihawk

[forest rampart]

zoro would understand that shanks is luffy's rival n friend

[steep vigil]

Just saw someone make a theory that zoro is imu sama 💀💀

[forest rampart]

that's why zkk exists

[plush pike]

I get it, but at this point it seems way more likely that Zoro's final matchup is King.

That being, King and Queen vs Sanji and Zoro

[forest rampart]

yes, but after he defeats king, he'll go to rooftop, to kaido. marco will assist him to the top again

[fallow knot]

King is a very skiledl swordsman

[plush pike]

So you think he will defeat King and the drugs will still not wear off after that?

[forest rampart]

yes

[plush pike]

I don't see how that can be the case. What would Sanji do then?

[forest rampart]

it might takes a while for the drug to wear off. Or that Zoro can defeats King less or within 15 mins

Sanji still fights Queen. Idk what he'll do after that. It's possible that he'll also go to the rooftop

[plush pike]

Might as well make Zoro the main character at that point, if he can defeat a literal calamity and still have energy to kill a literal yonko afterwards

Zoro is fighting with the last remaining energy he has left, the drug wearing off is a clear sign he won't be able to battle for much longer.

[fallow knot]

I guess king is crow tengu.

[plush pike]

That could make sense as an inspiration

[lucid igloo]

This is pretty cool. It makes sense for Zoros last fight to be against King. Zoros last battle in most arcs has always been against the second in command

[plush pike]

The fact is, if King doesn't push Zoro to the very limits, King's character is going to be a huge letdown.

And that's just bad writing for a second-in-command

[forest rampart]

the properties of the mink medicine is supercompensation.
so it wont really ruin the powerscalling issue but i know that fans will go wild and some might think zoro is stronger than luffy while the reality is that they will miss that "supercompensation" part

[fallow knot]

King vs zoro fight will be huge

[forest rampart]

What Is Supercompensation? In sports science, supercompensation theory asserts that an athlete who pairs their training load with the proper recovery time will not only return to their performance base level, but will develop the capacity for a** higher level of performance.**

[plush pike]

Isn't that literally just how muscle repair works?

[forest rampart]

idk but it refers to training actually
https://www.masterclass.com/articles/supercompensation-training-guide#:~:text=Joe Holder's MasterClass-,What Is Supercompensation%3F,a higher level of performance.

OP doesnt really follow normal/ irl logics

[plush pike]

You don't say xD

[fallow knot]

Still wondering what will happen after beast pirates fell down

[lucid igloo]

Maybe the big mom pirates arrive? Otherwise what's the point of them even being part of the arc to begin with

[forest rampart]

To push them to Elbaf maybe, if they can't get their revenge on Luffy/SHs in Wano I mean

[fallow knot]

What if chasing luffy lead her to laughtale in the end😂

[forest rampart]

I do have problem with ZKK actually. But that "Supercompensation" thing could save the day, for Japanese fans at least since they read the original translation

[fallow knot]

Tht will be the best laughtale

[lucid igloo]

Honestly, it would be pretty tiring seeing them again. 3 arcs in a row

[forest rampart]

Yea, I know. But maybe that's what Oda is trying to do

[fallow knot]

Maybe we will see bb Or Marines making move

[forest rampart]

They'll make their move in Elbaf for sure but I don't know what Marines will do and how they'll get there

[lucid igloo]

Story wise it doesn't make sense tbh. This is the climax of the whole post time skip so far. Everything post time skip has lead up to this point. It would pretty weird if big mom is defeated at Elbaf. I know there's a strong connection there, but what's the point of building up wano for so long if it's not the climax of the 4 emperors saga?

[plush pike]

So in your opinion, Shanks and Blackbeard has to also be resolved at Wano?

[fallow knot]

What if Naguri also was a member of rocks. He mentioned his pirate group lost to Rogers

[forest rampart]

Not defeated, but she'll at least fight another strong opponent (thus why I suggested Loki). And was why I think that her personality will change if she ever know about what she did to her friends n Mother Carmel

[primal goblet]

technically after Wano there will be a "Giant war" wouldn't that be foreshadowing to it being in Elbaf

[lucid igloo]

I think Shanks will be resolved in elbaf, and elbaf will be the prologue to the 4 emperors saga.

Blackbeard is the only anomaly

[plush pike]

Wouldn't the giant war be after Luffy finds the One Piece?

[forest rampart]

Her children could fight other pirates, doesnt have to be SHs. There'll a bunch of powerful opponents there including the giants themselves

[plush pike]

Elbaf being the prologue makes perfect sense then with Big Mom there.

[fallow knot]

They can fight against cp0

[lucid igloo]

Giant war is certainly against the world government after they find the one piece

[forest rampart]

And I think that BM will eventually decide to forget her revenge on SHs because of her personality changes

[primal goblet]

all we heard about is there being a Giant war after wano, not Final just giant. and knowing Oda would it really be unlikely for him to use certain words to confuse us

[plush pike]

Just because this is the culmination of the yonko saga does not mean that two yonko have to be defeated in the same arc.

[lucid igloo]

That's fine. But story wise, why is big mom in wano, what purpose does she serve being there?