manga-theories

[sand sail]

But, having said that, none of the Emperors actually cared about the marines either. They were still horribly weakened, their home was in pieces and a lot of them were still very injured. They were completely incapable of dealing with the fallout of Marineford, and that was without anyone actually targeting them at all

[ancient vault]

Yeah but it just takes one guy (Blackbeard will be the one or Luffy) to start shit and theyre fcked

[modest skiff]

I am ferociously opposed to theories of Kraken BB so far. I look forward to reading yours

[sand sail]

Yeh pretty much, I mean we even had Blackbeard going on the literal moment that Whitebeard is dead trying to challenge the marines too

[ancient vault]

They really had shanks saving their asses

[sand sail]

And while he probably would've lost, we honestly can't even say for sure since he had the Gura Gura, like the island would have been sunk if nothing else

[hollow grotto]

Awesome, I look forward to presenting it all out. I just want to try and provide all the information I've seen spread about into one theory

since it seems there are bits and pieces of it scattered everywhere, from reddit to youtube

[ancient vault]

Yup that island was about to sink and he wouldve 100% lost to Shanks here as well

[sand sail]

He might have, we genuinely can't even say that tbh

Since we don't know the extent of either's abilities really, we just know Blackbeard has a really, really troublesome one to deal with now

[ancient vault]

He was close to dying to a WB seconds from death. I think if he didnt have another ace up his sleeve (though I doubt he didnt ) I think he wouldve lost for sure

[modest skiff]

Yeah, true, I suppose I see it as the situation could be very different if it was instead just 4 admirals launching a surprise attack/assassination rather than WB and his entire allied fleet. My impression was that MF was kind of WB mustering everything he could. Navy doesn't necessarily need to give them that benefit. Then again, Navy had home court advantage. Overall I agree with your thoughts.

Man, the navy is in a terrible position. Worse than I originally realized

[sand sail]

Yeh, there's a reason they have to worry about the balance so much. They're the underdogs in it

[modest skiff]

what a disaster LOL

[sand sail]

If it goes, they're the only ones who actually suffer. The Emperors don't care about it, they want the balance in shit because it means they get more power lol

[modest skiff]

The emoji has even more value to me now lolol

[sand sail]

Someone being taken out of the competition means free reign on their territories, and if the marines get wiped out, the World Government has no way of actually staying a government lmao

It really does suck for them when you start thinking about it

[ancient vault]

Then the question comes up whether Imu or the gorosei are capable of fighting on these high levels

But tbh if you read through all the times they've talked they also know that theyre kind of fucked
I swear Shanks is their free get out of jail card or sth

[modest skiff]

In this context, torturing/interrogating Cobra for info on Pluton makes sense to me. I think they are in a race against the clock right now. If this trend continues, the navy doesn't exist at some point. They need to make a big play like Pluton.

[sand sail]

Yeh, that's why I never got behind the thought that they were these awesome fighters or had some super secret weapon behind them. If it were the case, they probably wouldn't have been personally shaken up by anything pirates did, only the marines would've really cared

They do, but they also may not have to. The marines are the single largest force on the seas and have the biggest territories, all they really have to do is get their shit together and go on the offensive before an ancient weapon is found if nothing else

With things like the SSG now in play, and a virtually limitless Pacifista army at their command, they should be able to do any kind of cleansing they need without ever having to get something like Pluton

[modest skiff]

One small exception I would add to the logic you guys are using: I don't think the Gorosei sit around doing nothing all day. I think they are active. I don't know what they do, but I don't think they sit in lounge chairs being fed grapes. They seem serious and invested.

[sand sail]

But having said that, maybe they could have. I doubt they'd torture Cobra for it, if he knows where it is there's no way they don't lol

[ancient vault]

Then pluton pulls up and deletes all of them

[modest skiff]

If their entire power structure is on its way to collapse, what choice do they have?

[ancient vault]

I wonder if the gorosei can read the poneglyphs

[sand sail]

The entire power structure isn't on the way to collapse at all, just the world's delicate balance. The government itself is only threatened because there's violence happening, but they don't know the pirates are trying to get the ancient weapons right now

But torturing Cobra should be useless, the Nefertari family just didn't go to Mariejois but they were still part of the original kingdoms. They shouldn't have any hidden knowledge that the World Government couldn't get themselves

[modest skiff]

I thought we just got done concluding the yonkos are a giant threat? Or do you mean the new SSG stuff perhaps gives them a big advantage? Would explain why they felt arrogant enough to kill the warlord system. Seems fair logic. Suppose we'll see.

[sand sail]

They didn't want to kill the warlord system, the kingdoms did. And for good reason, it was a horrible detriment to the world at large, it was only good to help against other pirates but not for the people

But yes, the Emperors are a giant threat. But that's not the same as saying they could just wipe everything out, if one Emperor gets uppity it's going to be a horrifying war. They didn't know Big Mom and Kaido were teaming up, and no one knows what their plans are yet, so as of now they're just two incredibly dangerous pirates who are interacting in some way

[modest skiff]

nod yeah I agree with that

[pine delta]

honestly reading this discussion makes me think the WG has an ancinent weapon or equivalent of their own to defend mariejois

[modest skiff]

I think this is true but not WG, just the CDs/Gorosei

[sand sail]

I'd be okay with that, but I always held exception with the thought that it's why the world followed them, if they have something it's definitely something that no one knows about outside of the Celestial Dragons and maaaybe CP0

[modest skiff]

Head canon: The WG knows credible stories of entire nations being wiped out without a trace when they legitimately stood up to the CDs. They don't know the details, lots of cover up, but they know the CDs have extremely credible destructive capability

[sand sail]

Well that's all covered just by the existence of the marines, the Buster Call is a great example of that very feat being capable and hanging over the heads of any particularly nasty nations

On top of that, just the admirals descending can throw a whole island into chaos. Kizaru went and arrested 400 pirates himself just in Sabaody, and that was a casual stroll for him. Then we have things like Kuma happening, which really drive it home for the nations

[modest skiff]

Yeah, I don't have something to point to, and I make no claim to have lots of reason to be certain. I can just smell something else going on, as silly as that sounds.

[modest skiff]

This is true and my assumption is that the CDs have some sort of implied gun to the head of the navy. But again, I have no proof. shrug

[waxen dust]

I honestly think it’s just Imu and the Gorosei; The CDs are all just for show and just an elaborate ruse to place a political hierarchy in the world as a distraction and a gatekeeper for people to know the real truths of the world.

[sand sail]

But the Celestial Dragons bring no such benefit to the world at all

[light onyx]

Imagine brook gets a revenge story arc

[sand sail]

Like, they stand outside of the entire political spectrum, they're almost entirely an apolitical force at large

[light onyx]

Agreed

[modest skiff]

I think its possible this is the case. Perhaps likely. I do think the WG directly fears the CDs though. But as bean pointed out, they essentially exist as gods. They can walk into any citizen's house, steal some women, kill the husband and nothing will happen. They have complete immunity. The question is why they have immunity and what mechanism makes everyone afraid of them. They can tell the navy what to do, but the navy has good people in it. But I have rehashed this same argument before, I have nothing new to add. I just still think someone above the Navy is able to directly harm people beneath

[light onyx]

The celestial dragons are of royal bloodline from kingdoms long ago right ?

[modest skiff]

we are essentially told the royals moved into Marie Jois after the void century, which implies someone else used to be there

[silk rain]

I think they were the kings and queens of the 20 countries that formed an alliance to take down the ancient kingdom. The ones who became CDs were the ones who chose new royal families for their former kingdoms, as oppose to vivis bloodline, the nefeltari family who opted to keep governing their country. Together they also formed the world government

[pseudo citrus]

people say that Roger didn't need Oden because he could hear the voice of all things... but doesn't that mean Luffy doesn't need Robin? or am I missing a critical detail here

[bright moon]

Roger can read the script of the ancients though, Luffy cannot

[sand sail]

Roger can't either, only Oden could. Roger could hear the poneglyphs with the voice, he couldn't read them

[bright moon]

Oden figures out later that Roger knew how to read it . He just wanted Oden for the adventure .

[modest skiff]

Why would VOAT be a replacement for reading glyphs? Did I miss something?

[dusky acorn]

No, those people Roosta is talking about are mistaken

What Roger's voice of all things did at best was help him copy the glyphs with more leeway, potentially from a distance. Which would help a lot for Big Mom's case, in her territory

[modest skiff]

Head canon for me is that VOAT can be used as a metal detector for finding glyphs, but you still gotta read em. It is supposed to be understood that VOAT folks hear glyphs right?

[bright moon]

Roger did say they all have a “powerful voice “

[modest skiff]

Yeah so I think the glyphs are essentially beacons that beep in a frequency that VOAT people can hear. It probably says something like "YO GET IN HERE" or something to that effect. It is just to help VOAT folks find the glyphs, since they are generally difficult to find

[pseudo citrus]

that's what I thought, but some people say that the VOAT meant that Roger didn't really need Oden, so I was just curious what people here thought

[sand sail]

Well, things with history seem to just have strong voices in them

No, he did need Oden. Roger could find them, but couldn't read them

[modest skiff]

I think at one point we will learn that souls are aplenty. I think there is some dynamic where will/emotion/history can imbue items with souls in the same way the Merry was gifted a soul by the ocean

[sand sail]

Yeah, that's just a general thing in the series lol

[pseudo citrus]

it's pretty critical for me because I feel it's not clear what "Oden's mistake" was, as some people say leaving Wano in the first place was his mistake, but if he was needed for Roger to reach Laughtale, the whole OP story only happens because Oden left... hard for me to imagine Oda would imply that was the wrong choice

[sand sail]

For example, Oda elaborated on and confirmed it in a relatively recent SBS. He talks about the tanuki pot in Wano, it was a teapot that had a long and extensive enough history that it grew some bit of "soul", and then got a devil fruit at some point

[bright moon]

What if the glyphs are actually a person?… they’re this mysterious blue and red substance that haki users seemingly also get . And they’re the most durable substance on the planet like black blades. What if a giant was made into the glyphs specifically so no one could destroy them?

[modest skiff]

I think Oden's mistake was thinking he made a mistake. He thinks he was essential to opening Wano. I think he doesn't know that 100%. I think he knew a Kozuki was needed and assumed it was him. I think his death is viewed (rightfully) as a blunder, but I don't think it means the prophecy is toast

[plucky kiln]

damn

[amber oar]

That sounds like taken from [os spoilers]. I doubt it

[sand sail]

This is what I meant, no soul talk, but the history bit was mentioned lol

[pseudo citrus]

yeah I think this is closer to it, maybe add in a little bit of "taking every burden himself, not counting on his friends"

[modest skiff]

His answer feels intentionally vague and misdirected

[sand sail]

It's a poor translation, I believe a better one just has that Hitetsu treated it well/took care of it

[pseudo citrus]

but people say "Yamato will learn to not make the same mistake as Oden and stay in Wano", and while that may happen, I don't think Oden leaving was what we're supposed to see as his mistake

[sand sail]

Basically what we're saying here

[modest skiff]

Simply put, I guess I just disagree with the thoughts you are saying other people have. Oden leaving was not a mistake. It is how he met Toki.

It also won't surprise me if we are given something like "lol Oden didn't study well enough, so he made a critical reading error that made the whole thing seem different"

[bright moon]

True if Oden showed up even 5 seconds later she might’ve been gone 20 years into the future

[modest skiff]

You could argue if Oden never left, Orochi never becomes anything, but we don't know that. Maybe Orochi would have sneakily killed Oden. Shrug. We'll never know.

[pseudo citrus]

Oden was completely taken in by Orochi, so there's no reason to think that Orochi would have been foiled if Oden stayed imo. Oden even lost to Kaido because he was tricked by Higurashi, which is exactly how Orochi took over when Oden was gone... but yeah we'll never know.

[proud tree]

where Luffy and Shirahoshi born at the same date?

[pseudo citrus]

Shirahoshi is a few years younger than Luffy

[bright moon]

I still really want to know who wielded the Gomu Gomu before Luffy. Clearly the government recognized it and had data on it. I would say Rocks had it but Garp or Sengoku never mentioned it when they saw Luffy stretching .

[proud tree]

I am asking bcs the sovereign of the sea kings is shirahoshi ... but who is the other one for the whales?

[bright moon]

I thought they were referring to Shirahoshi and Momo there

[pseudo citrus]

Momo was already born at this point, so it can't be him

[light onyx]

Ohhh thanks

[proud tree]

imo must be Luffy... he met a whale already: Laboon...

[pseudo citrus]

I don't think "another" is one for the whales, people generally think that it's just Luffy, and the whales happen to be excited for when Luffy and Shirahoshi meet

[bright moon]

He basically did act as her protector when they met , that’s so interesting

[modest skiff]

Whales could be happy for a variety of reasons. There’s just not a lot we can conclude. It’s intentional by Oda. We ain’t got shit lol 😦

[supple anchor]

true we have no idea why the whales gonna be happy. my theory is that the red line is artificial which is why those whales all have scars on their heads, because before the red line they could swim wherever they wanted and since whales have such long lifespans they havent adjusted yet and still follow their instincts which leads them to continuously ram their heads into the red line

[modest skiff]

Same. Personally can’t decide if it is retaliation from the planet after that void century or if a 3rd party created it. Continuing down the space invasion thought path, perhaps the red line was a method of disrupting the planet’s defenses. Divide and conquer. But who knows. I’m just spitting bullshit tbh, but the prominence of “curse” “devil” etc implies to me that there is some form of curse

[supple anchor]

mhmmm, i saw a theory that there used to be 8 moons based on the model in Ohara and that 7 of the moons were destroyed and sent down to earth and were used to create the red line. its clearly speculation, but we see 8 symbolically in tons of symbols of ancient people, with the kozuki clan symbol being the most recent example. The space invasion being prepared could be defensive since the moon pirates dont want their home to be destroyed

[proud tree]

Akainus devil fruit should be able to create artificial vulcaninc islands ... maybe the red line was created with akainus awakened devilfruit

[modest skiff]

No matter what, there used to be more moons. Question is what happened to them

[pure raven]

will kaido die?

[bright moon]

Hot take , previous users of Op -Op and Grav-Grav worked together to make the Red Line using those moons as a demonstration of power

[dusky acorn]

It's probable. There's more prevalent and numerous theories for his death, rather than him surviving

As for which characters scoop up his life after Luffy formally defeats him, possible characters like Big Mom, CP0, and even Kid are brought into spotlight for the hypothesis

[bright moon]

What about Zoro? He does have Enma now

[dusky acorn]

Out of those characters, I think I have to appreciate Big Mom the most, it feels like her doing some real damage to Kaido is coming up after her betrayal on his crew

Zoro, even if he gets up will be on a timer of sorts with the medicine

[bitter kraken]

I imagine kidd has ni problem actually cold blooded killing kaido

[dusky acorn]

I don't think it'll be enough for him to get through whatever he fights he wants now, and then finish off Kaido at the very end of the raid. He'll be pooped by then

[limpid sequoia]

I imagine Kid has a problem not getting shit on by BM

[bitter kraken]

I don’t think he can beat her, but just the fact he’s taking her on by himself and confident about it should speak volumes about his place in the OP world as a serious contender

[pure raven]

what do u guys think luffys bounty will be after wano

[errant nova]

4 billion maybe 5

[pure raven]

i think around 3 billion

4-5 billion seems to high

[errant nova]

I feel it. It’s hard to stomach a 4xjump but if both BM and Kaido go down, and Morgan’s frames it as Luffy’s doing, hard to believe his bounty will end up less than theirs

[limpid sequoia]

Luffy's bounty is going way up but idk about 5 bil, pretty sure it will be in the 3 bil range

[pure raven]

i dont think hes gonna defeat big mom in wano, that wud be impossible

after he defeats kaido hes gonna be injured and out of energy

he wont have enough strength to defeat big mom

[errant nova]

CPO freaks big mom out with the revelation that she ate mother Carmel, law uses the opportunity to take her heart and crush it. That’s the most likely ending for BM in my opinion. Tho the news might just say it’s luffy and the two supernova groups he’s taken under his wing

[limpid sequoia]

if BM goes down it will be from Kid/Law but I think they need a little more help then just that 2 v1

[pure raven]

i think big mom might run after kaido gets defeated

[errant nova]

I think it’d be great if she dips to protect her territory from Blackbeard, who we know is making moves somewhere

[pure raven]

i think blackbeard might be going to big moms territory to steal her poneglyph since shes not there

no one strong enough to handle BB is gonna be there

[errant nova]

Very very possible thats what goes down if she’s not defeated

Like I said, only way I see her taken out in wano is CP0 revealing she ate mother Carmel and BM breaking down/becoming vulnerable

[pure raven]

ya

[bright moon]

The only one who knows that truth is Strauss though , her chef

[pure raven]

cp0 might know too

[errant nova]

Well that’s what we think because we thought she ate all those kids who are now (assumingely) CP0

[pure raven]

the kids she ate are cp0?

[errant nova]

Character designs are way too similar for it to be coincidence imo

Peep the kids and then look at the CP0 fools in Wano

[pure raven]

how wud that even work tho

[bright moon]

^^^^

[pure raven]

they were eaten alive

[errant nova]

Carmel was an agent of the gov’t

[pure raven]

the kids werent tho, if they were eaten alive they're probaly dead

[limpid sequoia]

the kids were being trained to be, but like chroma said all the ones in the flashback were eaten as far as we know

[errant nova]

I mean she was recruiting the kids for the gov’t. It sounds like a total Oda twist for those kids to have escaped, prob costing the life of Carmel herself - and then for them to reappear as CP0

[pure raven]

they couldve escaped, maybe they werent eaten, its an intresting theory tho

[limpid sequoia]

That is possible but would anyone know that BM ate mother caramel other than maybe some of those kids?

[crystal quiver]

or big mom in her rage state didnt notice the navy saving the kids and escaping

[limpid sequoia]

well okay, but there is 0 indication of that in the flashback

[pure raven]

maybe she didnt eat all the kids, she couldve eaten some kids, but some couldve escaped too and then they became cp0

[crystal quiver]

true

[crystal quiver]

but we did know that the navy was nearby

[limpid sequoia]

I'm not saying it couldn't have happened, that's why it's a theory but in the flashback there was no indication that she didn't eat them all

[bright moon]

Even Strauss made it seem like she ate everyone

[pure raven]

all we know for sure is she ate mother caramel, because BM has her devil fruit

[errant nova]

Did someone post that baller portion of the Shanks x Xebec theory that someone commented with on Reddit?

It has me convinced lw

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/p5ixzf/who_was_whitebeard_referring_to/h966aij/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3

[modest skiff]

Yes, one of my many hot take theories is that there were no islands on the planet prior to the moons being destroyed. It was just fishmen. Various other forms of that theory. But overall, I feel confident remnants of the moons are now on the planet

[queen arrow]

if this is about Whitebeard talking about his scars, it couldn't be more straightforward the obvious fact Whitebeard is referring to Roger, Whitebeard even literally says the same chapter that he remembers Shanks face becase he was in Roger's crew, plus that literally the big reveal of the chapter, that Shanks and Buggy where in Roger's crew

[errant nova]

I feel you Matehiqu. But humor the effort going into that post and the points he makes. Really makes you think.

[dull pumice]

Until Oda reveals its about Rocks and everyone will be like GODA

[errant nova]

GODA is GODA 🤷🏻‍♂️

[lost moat]

Just thought about something the Roger pirates listened to Roger when he turned himself in, but we know Luffy could never leave one of his friends behind when they needed him most even though they told him to leave. Would be amazing if Luffy is about to be executed where Roger was executed and the strawhats break into the executioners stand, free him, and shout we will never leave our captain behind, just like you never left us behind. Shows Robin, Usopp, Sanji, and Robin crying while chopper is caring to Luffy trying to heal him and Zoro is defending him.

Meant Nami not Robin twice

I think that would be a sick way for him to come full circle. Where instead of Roger letting the world government kill him so he can start the next age. Maybe the strawhats resist and don’t listen to their captain. To save him unlike they couldn’t do to Roger

[pure raven]

Has there ever been more clarification on whether an Armament user could coat another person or living thing with their Haki?

[modest skiff]

Totally unknown AFAIK

[pure raven]

Advanced Haki could definitely be used to just make a shield around someone but I meant basic armament

[bright moon]

I don’t think so. The closest we’ve seen was that jacket jacket guy using his brothers full body haki to his advantage . But couldn’t use it himself

[turbid ore]

It was never said you could use it on living things so prob no

What do you think will be Luffy's final bounty?

[pure raven]

Depends on whether symbolism would be incorporated

[modest skiff]

I think the story ends with Luffy not having a bounty, but not sure what his highest will ever be

[pure raven]

But it would almost certainly surpass Roger's, probably his dad's as well

[limpid sequoia]

EOS, higher than Roger's but I think by EOS the marines don't even really exist any more so

[turbid ore]

Roger's bounty was 5,5b

And we know that the person who was supposed to find the One Piece would be the one 20 years later after Roger found it

So Luffy may possibly achieve something way bigger

[bright moon]

I’ve guessed that Laugh Tale is actually a portal to universe far larger than our own and the world we’ve been exploring for years now is actually the smallest piece of the smallest piece of everything . Which is why Roger and gang was laughing so hard .

“Damn we really thought we saw it all “

[limpid sequoia]

[pure raven]

I could potentially see a hollow earth tunnel being a thing

[turbid ore]

Kinda like hxh

But then Roger would def explore it

[pure raven]

But it would extend the series a lot and at that point Oda's probably trying to wrap things up

[bright moon]

I was thinking more like the previous door door user left a literal gate

[turbid ore]

So no, also Oda said it will be finished in 5 years

We know there is rio poneglyph here, there will def be a flashback of joyboy and void century

And this flashback will be better than oden flashback

[pure raven]

It's pretty set up now that the One Piece is the plot dump that explains it all

[turbid ore]

Or maybe just one piece is all the friends we made along the way

[pure raven]

Or at least that's its primary function. Oda's confirmed on at least one occasion that it's a physical object of immense value.

[turbid ore]

Gigantic strawhat

[modest skiff]

I've posted almost exact same thing before. Not saying you stole my idea or anything, I think lots of people have thought this before. I think Laugh Tale showed them they are but one of thousands of planets and that this planet in particular is not powerful at all. I think Roger found out he was a small fish in a very small pond. Whether Laugh Tale has a stargate or something similar, I have no idea. But I think the laughter was because they were supposed to be strongest in the world and it turned out they were nobodies.

[pure raven]

And Whitebeard wouldn't have wasted his last words on something that didn't matter.

[turbid ore]

I think it may be an ancient weapon that is supposed to destroy red line but roger was laughing because poseidon wasnt born yet and he was just too early

My fav theory

[normal plume]

It occurred to me Rogers bounty 5.5 billion is Luffy’s bday 5/5 😂😂 something special in the fives

[bright moon]

Random thought. Oda once answered the question “how far can Luffy stretch ?” As “72 Gomu Gomus” which I just took as a joke at the time

Now learning more lore about Sun Wukong the monkey king, apparently he has a set of techniques called “the 72 breathes “ where he changes his shape depending on the need of combat . Just like Luffy does .

[normal plume]

Mmm coincidence? I think not

[night glacier]

Hoping to see dragon v. Dragon fight soon with the implications of the end of 1021

[silk rain]

I know this was a while ago but is this also how the merry's soul was formed?

[sand sail]

No worries. Yeah, supposedly that's how it goes. A ship that's loved deeply and taken care of by the crew will develop that soul

[cloud sail]

the blackbeard with an octopus devil fruit theory is something im a fan of

[modest skiff]

I think 8 is too prominent in other things to assume its an octopus

all the various theories involving alabasta, FMI, Kozuki, Shandora all having representations of 8 pieces

[cloud sail]

the skulls on the jolly roger represents three hearts

[modest skiff]

Or 3 eyes, or 3 of any other thing

[cloud sail]

i mean, the theory vid i watched had some other good points

[modest skiff]

got a link?

I read the kraken theory and thought it was relatively poor but if you have something you think is good, i'd give it a watch

The main thing though is that 8 is also seen on Kaido's flag and a million other things

[cloud sail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEDygT0roLI

skip to like 2 min

[modest skiff]

3 skulls = 3 hearts seems very silly, but i will keep watching

[cloud sail]

i can simplify if you want

[modest skiff]

Kaido's flag also has 8 bones

[cloud sail]

another point they make is that octopus sleep in short bursts which can explain the bb no sleeping concept

[modest skiff]

They also say people from snow places don't sleep, so we have an alternative explanation for not sleeping

[weary cliff]

The snow thing is an in-universe meme. Pretty sure immediately after it was said it got shot down. Like CP-9 and the 2 devil fruit explanation

[modest skiff]

This thing about pants feels silly too

[modest skiff]

When was it shot down?

[cloud sail]

the camouflage bit i like, the spots is a reach

[modest skiff]

This guy says "Maybe devil fruits have to do with hearts" when we have a sword, a gun and a tea pot that all have devil fruits

who is this guy in the white shirt with the awful reaches

plz tell me that's ohara LOL

[weary cliff]

Sanji calls it ridiculous and points out that Dalton owns a bed

[modest skiff]

Hmmm, that ain't enough for me to discredit it. If anything that feels like making fun of someone for saying something like that. Its like "Well if certain species that live in snow places don't sleep, why do humans sleep while living in snow places?"

I don't think that's nearly enough to discredit the idea that some sort of snow people don't sleep

[weary cliff]

Check out chapter 134 because it really feels like it's played as a gag. Luffy says something dumb with a dumb reasoning and then Sanji pulls out his own dumb piece of trivia, that people from snow islands have soft skin, with equally dumb reasoning

[modest skiff]

Will do, I'll read it later and report back my thoughts. Either way, every single other piece of evidence has an extremely easy piece of evidence against it

[weary cliff]

You mean for the kraken thing? Yeah I wouldn't put much stock into that

[modest skiff]

Hearts = Disproven
8 bones = also on Kaido's flag and also lots of other places
3 skulls = hearts is just dumb

[modest skiff]

Yeah talking about the kraken/octopus theory as a whole

The only thing that made me hesitate is that kraken is kind of a quintessential opponent of pirates. I do accept that as a piece of circumstantial evidence from a storytelling perspective

[weary cliff]

The only thing I enjoyed is the Teach/camoflauge thing

[modest skiff]

ya that too

who is the guy in the white shirt that the grand line guy is critiquing?

[weary cliff]

iirc that was a youtuber who did a version of the theory before 333vil did

[silk rain]

I dont mind the base idea for bb being a kraken but its very vague because we dont really know much yet.

First of all, brook has no heart, yet his devil fruit works. Its likely attached to peoples soul.

However a counter-argument to both of these is the existence of kuma, a full robot without a heart, mind, or blood. Yet he still has a devil fruit. We dont know if Kuma's soul still exists within the robot (which could also result in a possible resurgence of the real Kuma, as we know that inanimate objects like merry and Otamas teapot have formed a soul due to large amounts of affection, and in the merry's case, has a physical incarnation of its soul), or if Kumas devil fruit just exists in Kuma's "whole", not his soul

Overall the scenario with devil fruits at this point in time is extremely difficult to understand, and we would hopefully get more answers on dfs, kuma, or blackbeard in the next 1-2 years. It really sucks having to wait for these answers tho lol

(also if anyone might be able to explain kuma part, go ahead i would like to hear)

[slim moat]

So that vegapunk theory I said sometime back true then. He knows life's blueprint. He can insert life into objects and they consume the df.

[bright moon]

Hard to say where devil fruits “reside .” Brook shows us that devil fruits can attach to souls or at the very least affect them. But I think say if tried to go into another body upon death it wouldn’t work, even though “just bones remained “ of his, it was still his and the devil fruit still resides in it because he didn’t fully pass . Allowing him to “reincarnate “ into bones .

As for Kuma, he had his DF before becoming a full robot. Inanimate objects can “consume “ fruits anyways so it would work. Even cyborgs as showcased with Queen

My instinct with BB is that people with multiple personalities can consume devil fruits which would attest to the “attaches to souls “ theory. But we haven’t seen other examples of this to go off of, we have other characters with defined alter egos like Hakuba , but he doesn’t possess a single devil fruit let alone 2.

[sand sail]

No, that's not how it was

[slim moat]

Growing a soul and creating one with blueprint is same, right?

[gentle knot]

guys a got a huge theory

it’s gonna. blow your mind

i think imu sama is rocks they have same eye shap and i also think that rocks had the immortality spell done with the control fruit and was defeated by roger and garp untill they found out he was invincible and forced to be the king of the world and controlled the goverment as he couldn’t be defeated

[bright moon]

That eye shape can clearly be gained or born with as shown with Mihawk though . Also just living forever doesn’t mean you’re indestructible and unbeatable. It just means you’re like an elf and will continue to age but stay in your prime forever until killed by other means .

[gentle knot]

he is imu and can’t be defeated

immortality with control fruit power

[bright moon]

There’s no power “to control fruit powers “ even BB can only nullify them. Even then it would come down to combat levels and haki mastery . Which I’m sure Imu having lived as long as they have are very powerful. But not unbeatable.

[gentle knot]

are you drip d

stupid he got immortality by somebody who had op op fruit

@bright moon

[bright moon]

Immortal as in un aging. I highly doubt they meant literally impossibly to hurt or kill. Which even then someone like that could be sealed . Like how is Imu undefeatable?

[ancient vault]

The operation is called ETERNAL YOUTH OPERATION. Not literal immortality. You just stop aging and cant die from natural causes

[pure raven]

@bright moon can you criticize a theory I have?

Note, I didn't do very much research into this. Just 5 minutes of thought into a tiny little hint, what do you think?

THEORY | Uranus is maregeoise

I think Uranus is simply the power to create land, because of how it's named after a large planet. This mostly steams from what oda said about how he would introduce a "lurking legend" that might have something to do with Whitebeard. and because of how consistent Oda is with inversions of other characters in the story. I would assume this person is an inversion of some kind like with Roger and Noland.
We know Whitebeard fruit is to cause Earthquakes and so the opposite of that would be the recreation of land right?

Celestial Dragons by their very nature are WB personality inverted.
As they hold value their treasure and material gains, while WB values only his family.
So the speculation here is that Imu is that person Oda was talking about that potentially relates to WB; and because he is a celestial dragon that regards himself as this 'God' I would assume he would create giant land to exalt himself above all life forms. I mainly think the big hint is in the name because of like how the other ancient weapons are in their naming, I don't think oda puts a lot of complexity to it like people think.

For example when Roger named Raftel Laugh Tale because what was their was so laughable. So maybe Uranus is called that because it's so big, one might even say 'planetary'
Poseidon is God of the sea so for it to be a mermaid isn't too surprising.
Pluton means an indigenous rock, perhaps minerals used to create the ship? Idk

Uranus is the seventh planet from the Sun. Its name is a reference to the Greek god of the sky, Uranus, who, according to Greek mythology, was the great-grandfather of Ares, grandfather of Zeus and father of Cronus. It has the third-largest planetary radius and fourth-largest planetary mass in the Solar System ~ definition

[modest skiff]

Feels like a bit too many stretches. Assuming there is an opposite WB, assuming Uranus makes land because its a big planet. I think imu is kind of in a league beyond WB in terms of comparisons and relative positions in the world.

I think it is likely that the red line's creation has something to do with the void century. Land creation is interesting and something I have pondered. The only thing that is interesting is the fact that the red line is very non-uniform. It isn't just a straight line. Overall I like the idea of uranus being a creator of land as an idea but i just don't see much support.

Then again, we know nothing about uranus. may as well be that lol

[pure raven]

Yeah lol I admit It's a giant reach😭
Idk what else to think beyond the naming schemes since we don't know anything else about Uranus. I heard people speculating it to be like a power over the sky a lot, and since the redline is just so big that it's over the clouds I start thinking it has something to do with Uranus.

But I'm not even 100% sure if the lurking legend oda was referring to was Imu-sama or would even be connected to WB

[modest skiff]

I think we simply don't know enough to speculate on lurking legend. Plenty of legends we suddenly learn about lol. And just look at the wiki. Its essentially empty lol https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Uranus

Don't feel bad about the theory being a big stretch. All the uranus theories are. Its that we simply know nothing.

[ancient vault]

Your entire theory is based on the lurking legend thing which you got wrong.

The Lurking Legend youre referencing is just the Kaido + BM alliance that was called the "Return of Rocks" (the legend here was Rocks pirates)
The rocks pirates have a connection to Whitebeard and this alliance is also the biggest enemy the SH ever faced as Oda said the Lurking Legend would be.

[pure raven]

Ahhh in that context it does make sense, because of the pre introduction of Wano of when this was said.
When he says one or a "lurking legend" he doesn't necessarily mean that it's an individual.
But so if BM+Kaido alliance is the Rocks resurrection legend that was hyped up, does that mean that this war currently happening in wano is the war that's making Marineford war look cute?

[torpid mist]

I thot hes talking abt God valley

[pure raven]

But it's an enemy of the straw hats and since Luffy has taken consecutive Ls to kaido im starting to believe it. But idk if it was the war oda would say marine ford would look cute in comparison

[modest skiff]

If Wano is the thing that is supposed to make MF look cute, we have a lot of crazy shit left to get through

[pure raven]

whats the leading theory as to why blackbeard doesnt sleep?

[river gate]

Multiple souls

Hence why he can have 2+ devil fruits

I’m of the belief he can have 3 DF’s hence why everything about him so far comes in 3’s

[pure raven]

yeah i think that too

[river gate]

3 skulls on his Jolly Roger, 3 pistols, 3 liqueur bottles

[pure raven]

i saw a theory on reddit that he already has his third devil fruit and its the octopus zoan fruit

[river gate]

Makes too much sense for him to have the strongest zoan in addition to logia and paramecia

[pure raven]

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/oqu2io/blackbeards_secret_hes_an_octopus_tako_tako_no_mi/

this is the theory its pretty good

[gentle knot]

yh

nami is the key to uranus btw she will unlock it

or she is uranus that’s why shriashou aka neptune said i rememebr yoy when i was younger

you

[dry sedge]

??? When was this said

[bright moon]

How come the octopus theory is the leading theory when aquatic/amphibious devil fruits aren’t a thing. Why would the kraken be the “strongest “ ?

I do agree with the 3 souls thing, however like I’ve said elsewhere , we don’t have other examples to go off of unfortunately. We have defined alter egos like Hakuba , but he doesn’t even have 1 devil fruit, let alone 2.

[ancient vault]

Hakuba is clearly a split personality. BB doesnt seem to be that type nor is that really the theory

[bright moon]

I want to say BB already has this 3rd fruit , and it’s something with claws . Be it Cerberus because of his themes . But my reasoning is shanks .

He claimed his scar on his eye is from Teach. Which clearly isn’t a sword scar , it looks like a claw scratch . But as far as we know Teach is human, thus this “requirement “

[ancient vault]

BB used a weapon that had claws like that

[bright moon]

I’ve only ever seen him use a gun and his devil fruits

[ancient vault]

volume cover 96 I think it is

We also see it in a flashback

[bright moon]

Damn I wish they showed that off more often . Also wish you showed a link instead of making me look that up cause it was very far and few between even looking up “teach claw weapon one piece “

But I found it. What a shame , obviously he switched out the claw after getting the DF I just wish he kept it on his person or something . Shanks made it seem like this massive deal that Teach was able to do that , which to be fair, probably just cause he’s Shanks and not many people COULD do that

[ancient vault]

!reread

[lone hedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/164971940648321024/504707509333000212/Final.png

[bright moon]

So because I didn’t remember every single detail I should reread? I’ll remember this .

[ancient vault]

Obviously 🙄

[bright moon]

So you remember every single panel picture perfect ?

[ancient vault]

yes

[bright moon]

Name every single chapter Shanks has appeared in without looking it up. Name every single DF in Oda’s world even ones he hasn’t shown.
Name every single technique that every single character has ever wielded . Do all of this without looking up anything .

[ancient vault]

I can tell u shanks appeared in chapter 1 434 around 200 sth when he met ace, at the end of MF and recently when luffys bounty got revealed which was like 902 or sth

Also I was trolling u because u wanted me to look sth up for u lmao

Look it up urself next time its literally one google search away or use the wiki

[bright moon]

Why are you trolling here? Rude
Thanks for at least admitting .

[ancient vault]

true mb

why tf did I reply lmao

!pics Also get urself a role so u can post pics

[lone hedge]

Get a role (pirate/revo/marine/civilian) in #old-role-info to be able to post pictures!

[wicked charm]

dont forget reverie

[ancient vault]

that was a rat i dont associate my beloved nice guy shanks with snitches

[wicked charm]

did u just delet ur memories like zoro did

[ancient vault]

[wicked charm]

understandable

[weary cliff]

Axolotl fruit exists. technically there's already an uo uo no mi as well. So not impossible

[frail moat]

Ayo what will be sanjis next power up

Any theories on that?

[ancient vault]

Hopefully its linked to hell memories

[tribal belfry]

prolly a stronger version of diable jambe

[fringe elm]

All right guys, what spicy theories do we have today?

[modest skiff]

In general, when someone (politely) asks for a reference, it is considered generous and kind when someone tells you the reference rather than leaving you to figure out which chapter it is in. If someone were to directly paste a panel for you, that would be going above and beyond, not doing the minimum.

[bright moon]

I know I was just annoyed that when I looked it up myself it had to look a little when they made it out to seem like incredibly common knowledge . That’s on me .

[silk rain]

Ive always assumed bbs 3 blades are how shanks got his scar, thats why I know about it

[gentle knot]

yh jt is

not even a big fight when roger v thingy clashed he scratched him

[gentle knot]

she says it feels i remember you

big connection between uranus and neptune hence why nami us uranus weather queen

[modest skiff]

what are you trying to say here

[gentle knot]

he just gave him scratche with those 3 blades

[bright moon]

I thought Oda was hinting that Nami was gonna get the snow snow fruit . Since after that woman’s death we had the snow bunnies around the Sunny

[gentle knot]

no

actually maybe

[bright moon]

Her whole thing is navigation and weather manipulation

[gentle knot]

she will be snow goddess then

[bright moon]

“Mirage tempo” with snow clones seems fitting for her

[gentle knot]

and lightning and all weather powerful

[bright moon]

She even has Zeus as basically a pet 😂

[umbral island]

guys I am 100 percent convinced that the one and Buggy D. Clown will be the one using the ancient weapon pluton in the final war of the series to turn the tides in luffy's favour

oof I can't attach pictures?

[sturdy hound]

!pics

[lone hedge]

Get a role (pirate/revo/marine/civilian) in #old-role-info to be able to post pictures!

[umbral island]

thank you!

[sturdy hound]

Np, but how does that mean he will use an ancient weapon? Just the parallel?

[umbral island]

yep. kinda troll but who knows he did love cannons

[lapis prairie]

Why would he do that? He's thankful for Luffy getting him out, but right now, they're an ocean away from eachother and the last time we saw Buggy, he wasn't keen on helping Luffy

[modest skiff]

I legitimately think buggy balls need some clarification, they are truly destructive lol

[umbral island]

shanks' dying last request to buggy 🥲

[lapis prairie]

I don't hate that

[grizzled fog]

That’s an interesting idea actually, captain John’s treasure being related to one of the ancient weapons perhaps?

[umbral island]

sheeeesh

wtf I just found out captain John was part of the rocks pirates

[frail moat]

huh how can fire be more op

[tribal belfry]

Hotter fire

[weary cliff]

Magma leg

[frail moat]

bro all strew hats are being more cool i hope they do my man sanji justice

[tribal belfry]

he alr got the raid suit

Usopp needs the next buff

[frail moat]

i mean he is zoro rival i dont think thats enough

[tribal belfry]

I think Zoro will always be ahead of Sanji. But if you want them to get equal buffs they alr have kinda. Zoro got enma, while Sanji got raid suit. Zoro got COC, while Sanji got future sight

[frail moat]

God created food, but the Devil created spice . maybe i made it a little spicy this wek epic lol

[frail moat]

mmm coc is cooler tho i bet jinbei is stronger than sanji

[tribal belfry]

they're close, but I think Sanji has the edge over jinbe rn cuz of the raid suit

[frail moat]

mmm whats ur fav character my was ace he died now its sanji cuz he was second fav

btw cool banner man

[tribal belfry]

lol thanks

my favorite would prolly be Luffy or Zoro. Sanji simping too much kinda annoys me

[modest skiff]

don't worry, brook will awaken and full res the planet, including Ace

[tribal belfry]

Brook will get an army of skeletons. He'll rlly be the "soul king"

[frail moat]

holy that some solo leveling shit

necromancer superrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[frail moat]

pog idm mind his simping its a good laugh

[grizzled fog]

Future sight ?

[tribal belfry]

Sanji has future sight

[grizzled fog]

No he does not

[gloomy canyon]

and normal CoC isn't really a buff

[light onyx]

Do you think brook will be able to possess people one day

[pure raven]

Depends

the way I see it is that he will have to find someway to actually overpower their own minds

“Their” is referring to the person he would try to control

[forest rampart]

I just realised that it's possible that there's Joyboy's corpse among Moria's TB's zombies.
I don't remember from where he get all the corpses. I know that some were from Ringo or it's just Ryuma's from there. And iirc some were from West Blue, the very land that made up TB.
But one of the requirement for it to happen is that Joyboy's corpse was also preserved be it naturally like how it was with Ryuma (natural winter climate all year long) or not. Moria should also knew about Joyboy if he did(past/TB) or do(current/Fullalead Island) have the corpse.
It's not much of a theory, just a thought that I think could happen since Moria did gathered a lot of strong and famous people among his zombies: Ryuma, Oars, Captain John, Jigoro (although we don't have further info about him other than he's pretty strong to be able to defeat 7000 pirates/people).
While we can't really pinpoint which one was Joyboy if he was there, I imagine that perhaps he has a full set of armor like how Luffy like to wore one: Jaya arc, and TB. Other than that, Joyboy was just an average human just like how Luffy is. So he probably has about Luffy's height too.

[queen spear]

Am I the only one who thinks joyboy had the gum gum fruits before luffy?

[proud tree]

Big moms iron balloon "armor" could be similar to the stronger but peaceful Funk Brother (chapter 715, dDessrosa colluseum fight)

[iron mesa]

I'm pretty sure she's doing something similar to what Kaido and Luffy are doing

[queen arrow]

i'm confidently sure that she's just naturally though and not using haki all the time

[dusky acorn]

Big Mom's iron balloon skin is an interesting subject

[queen arrow]

she has been like that since she was a child, and we have precedent for people just being superhumanly though naturally with Bobby Funk

[modest skiff]

I think she's got some very unique property and I don't have a clue what it is

[dusky acorn]

I don't think it's due to the actual physical structure of her skin, because otherwise it wouldn't magically softens up when her will is shattered

If it's about the physical composition, then there's no changing that, mental state shifting or not

That makes me think it is tied to haki, the same general haki that's stopping Law from using his power to transport her or Kaido

[queen arrow]

i much more easily see her mental state affecting her body than it being related to haki

[proper swallow]

It's probably the conquerors haki that's used to wrap around your skin like luffy did

Or something similiar

[modest skiff]

here's my jank diagram. I think that the baseline, absolute willpower of someone influences the 3 forms of haki. So I think people with extreme will have a net benefit to their haki, which perhaps is what you are describing with Law not being able to teleport them

[bright moon]

Exactly , BM did that CoC “shout “ and then AFTER she scraped her knee and bled like it was nothing. When previous attempts were doing nothing

[dusky acorn]

Yeah, I agree fully with your way of thinking there

[manic relic]

I will make the best theory about Luffy this week oneyoutube. You will all be surprised!!!! I just googled it and searched on youtube and found nothing about it yet. So hyped!!!

Cant wait to share it with you guys

[queen arrow]

#promote-yourself

[bright moon]

“Having more” matters though too, Law was able to move Doffy despite him having CoC, but can’t move Kaido because he “has too much “ so if law got stronger he could move BM or Kaido

[waxen dust]

Diagram = 100% Persuasive Argument

[manic relic]

I will post it there when i made my theory. Now just telling my plan

[bright moon]

I too think this, especially with the parallels they draw between Luffy and Joyboy. We even got a tease in Thriller Bark that showed how a giant would work with the Gomu Gomu and the leading theory is that Joyboy was a giant and that massive straw hat that Imu has is his .

[manic relic]

Rocks also had gomu gomu no mi i think

[bright moon]

I want to think that, but Garp and Sengoku didn’t say a thing when they saw Luffy stretching , and Garp fought Rocks with Roger .

[foggy rain]

Aby good theories ?

[weary cliff]

I put one on the reddit yesterday. https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/p6gdjt/joyboy_and_the_gomu_gomu_awakening/

[dense wing]

Garp would’ve pointed it out likely

[modest skiff]

this image frustrates me because I feel like its extremely good evidence and somehow I don't remember it ever existing

[dense wing]

Joyboy being the holder of the fruit makes sense

[modest skiff]

I definitely think that figure dude is joyboy

The hair matches, the ideals match, it just overall feels very solid that whatever this Wano legend is, is Joyboy.

[sand sail]

It can tho, the body failing because her mind gets all messed up works out better than haki

That, and her body doesn't seem any weaker under seastone or in the water, so it can't be haki based

[modest skiff]

There's just so many weird ass powers that people seem to randomly have (hawkins card reading for example) I'm just putting a big question mark next to it. I don't think it needs to be haki and I don't think it needs to be physical. It can be a 3rd option and I don't have a clue what that is because I don't think we have the info yet

that's a somewhat defeatist perspective, maybe, but I dunno shrug

[dusky acorn]

I know we clearly don't have outrageously tough people like Big Mom IRL to compare with for a metric, but it still feels like common reasoning to me that losing one's spirit wouldn't make anyone's body any weaker. Or turn so weak that even kneeling down would easily visibly hurt it

One of the original points about this topic was doubting the possibility of Big Mom being able to emit a ridiculously strong presence of haki all the time, but I think Law's scenario of never being able to find an opening for even a second to teleport Big Mom cements that it just can be on like that for however long

[dusky acorn]

I hadn't considered the time she was in the ocean and came out perfectly (physically) fine though, that's a good point

[wispy escarp]

A lot of his attacks seem to be based off of Tarot Cards, so I think it's related to his DF ngl

[brisk jungle]

Wb is stronger than Roger he just had no ambition other than a family

[chilly dragon]

inb4 Fishmen Island in it's entirety gets lifted to the surface in the end.

[foggy rain]

Y’all seen that newGLR black beard theory review?

[forest rampart]

that's joyboy

[modest skiff]

Yeah I agree

[tribal belfry]

it kinda looks like a mix of Franky and Oden

[silk rain]

I definitely think BMs natural durability is the same as Kaidos, by using the conquerors haki to coat. Since they are emporors they probably do this coating subconciously, but when she goes into a 2 chapter flashback you know she really lost it 😂 thats likely why she was able to get damaged

I think its similar to how luffy and katakuri always have future sight on subconciously, even though im sure they could turn it off if they didnt want it

[bright moon]

What if it actually gets to a point where you can’t ?… and only inadvertent reactions like BM picture and knee scenario can “break it “ ? That would explain Kaido’s multiple “failed attempts “ at killing himself or death outright . And why he was almost annoyed when saying “Whitebeard managed to pull off dying ?”

[steady hinge]

i think One Piece is a time machine

[willow forum]

1000+ episodes just to say "the one piece is a time machine" at the end?

this is my theory

[tribal belfry]

anyoen think Urogue might have been that "sky knight" that Eneru defeated at his home island?

[willow forum]

It’s possible

[velvet edge]

I was thinking something like this but haven’t had time to come up/find decent evidence aside from that

[pure raven]

i saw a theory that said that jewerly bonney was aces sister

if anyone else thinks this can u explain cuz i dont get how they wud be related

[surreal oriole]

I've always wanted explanations for that stuff too, my theory is that concepts like, music making you move like a form of mind controll or someone igniting with the fires of passion like sanji and the Red Hawk, tarot cards, hypnotism, etc are real things in one piece

[modest skiff]

FYI the fire from red hawk and sanji both apparently “friction” with the air lol. It’s dumb but a perfectly ok version IMO of plasma generation

[surreal oriole]

Either way you know what I mean lol but thank you I forgot that

[modest skiff]

Yeah I agree with your thoughts. I think all that shit is straight up real in OP

[halcyon talon]

this is what i was thinking too

[steady hinge]

Yeah look from one point, we are alredy certain that the big treasure that will “turn the world upside down” is deeply related to the void century, and one thing that deeply connects the story is the adventure, the information dosent arrive at the MC because someone tells them, that wouldn’t make any sense for luffy, and if their is something better then hearing a story it is living it,, we alredy have been introduced the time concept ideia with Toki who could go to the future, I belive that when they reach laugh tale luffy will comeback to the void century time and their experience a lot of the important battles or even have a important role in it, and it wouldn’t impact the future because we don’t know that happend in the void century, but u cant change time so the world government would still win the war. First we have joyboy who we know is someone who lived in the void century and left a ponenglyth in the fishman island saying sorry for his beloved and so a legend was established at the fishmonger island that one day someone would finish his promise, and that’s why they still protect the Noe, so basically the main theory regarding joyboy is that he is a giant or some kind of big creature, and in that case he could have a loving relationship with Poseidon, the mermaid princess, and so he left the ponenglyth to say sorry for her, but they left descendentes who went from generation to generation carrying the gigantic genes, so then we have shirahoshi which is the Poseidon, a giant and a mermaid, and with this we answer the strange hat the appears in the levely , In the most important WG figure observes a giant frozen hat, in which he compares with Luffys. Then we have Shanks who was the hat porter before Luffy, the first point is that he was in Rogers fleet second he sacrificed his arm and his Hat for a random boy at the east blue, he knew he could kill that beast but he did it on purpose, I honestly think Shanks knows all the details of the void century +

so he knew Luffy needed to go to the past, and so sacrificed everything to guarantee that Luffy would become a pirate and gave him the Akuma no mi that he “left” on top of the table. Next point is that we have some strange coincidences in the One Piece world, it starts when they arrive in the grand line, the route they took with the logue poss was extremely preciss and necessary, from a log posse given by a former member of the Roger pirates and then they went to a frozen island and their founded a doctor who knew about Rogers past, then they go to Alabasta and find Robin the only person able to read that language and also find the first ponenglyth, then they go to skypia where they find another one signed by the pirate king himself, and then when she reads the ponenglyth the people who stayed hundreds of years protecting it believee that their duty has been completed, even in the Wano arc the characters say that their was a specific reason for the fruit to transport them exactly 15 years in the future, so casually they made Rogers own path. Next point we have Rayleigh, Robin asks her about the void century and he tells her that he knows everything and asks her if she wants to know, Robin says she doesn’t and he says that it wouldn’t change anything because they need to live the adventure, how can u could live something that happend 800 years ago? Then connecting everything I think that Luffy will arrive at Laugh Tale, finds the One Piece and goes to the past, maybe by a Akuma no mi or by just arriving their and then things will happen like they always do Luffy will fight for what he believes is right, I think he will arrive near the end of the war of the D x the WG then he helps the D and the people start liking then like always, and I think their will be 2 possibility’s 1st their existed a story of a man with a straw hat who came sometime ago, or a person with a iconic mustache will be their, “the man roger is WAITING for isn’t you Teach”, so Joyboy starts likin+

Luffy and because of that creates his own straw hat, a giant one for his giant head, it may be a symbol of the revolution. But anyways the WG is extremely powerful and so the D are loosing the war, Joyboy does his last attack which is using the Noe, but he discovers what’s happening maybe by talking to Robin, and understand that they went from the future and soon will go back to the present, and that the war is lost now but theirs still s trace of hope so together with Robin they right the ponenglyth of the bottom of the ocean so the survivors of the “Deamons” decide to use the D on their last name to make it clear that their determination to change was still alive, and then the straw hats comeback to the present the a lot of information of the past and even maybe Uranos the mysterious ancient weapon I belive it can be a type of mass communication object, maybe a giant den den mushi then they would use it to talk to everyone in the whole planet all the people who have seen Luffy, all the people who have been Luffy friends for this, for the end people would join themselves to fight for a better cause and so start a war against the WG

Hope u guys like it xD

Maybe Uranos was never reveled because it never existed, it was created in the void century and the straw hats brought it to the present and so it was lost in this 800y

[violet scarab]

Jesus Christ

[bright moon]

I’m pretty sure the WG used the Oars among other things like awakened DF users to basically terraform the world to their liking . Which resulted in requiring such specific navigation techniques.

They already did a time travel arc …. With a little time pocket and everything , those little kids that became marines

[steady hinge]

Idk it’s that One Piece is all about living the journey so it would make a lot of sense if it was a time travel

[silk rain]

Well the way you describe time travel rules in a way that doesnt make sense. everyone KNOWS what happens in the past, but they only know it because of the poneglyphs that were made through time travel itself

[bright moon]

Me and a lot of other people figure the One Piece is a door/ gateway or otherwise knowledge that the “massive “ world we’ve been exploring is actually the smallest piece of the smallest piece of a massive universe . Which is why the Roger pirates were laughing so hard .

Especially since the way one piece is written in Japanese is “one piece of the whole “

[steady hinge]

Actually they know what happend in the other century’s but not on the void century, the only person capable of knowing would be Robin

[silk rain]

Robin, because she can read poneglyphs that she wrote herself?

[steady hinge]

No she only helped write the last one which was the one from the bottom of the sea

[silk rain]

the one at the bottom of the sea which disappeared was a road poneglyph, without it you cant get to one piece

[steady hinge]

I’m talking the message that joy boy wrote

[bright moon]

I thought the one in fishman island was an apology to Joyboy

[steady hinge]

Yeah an apology for not being able to complete his promise of defeating the WG

But either if she write it or not it wouldn’t interfere with the theory

[silk rain]

there was two

Idk you can say anything is true with time travel tho

Like WB was from the void century and knew he couldn't stop ace from chasing bb, otherwise he wouldnt have died and luffy will never become pirate king

[opal sparrow]

Wb is from the void century

[silk rain]

thats why id just stay away from the idea of time travel

[opal sparrow]

??***

[silk rain]

NO LOL i was tryna give an example

[opal sparrow]

Oh my bad

[bright moon]

I feel like Oda is staying away from changing the time streams . Especially since Toki can only go forward at specific increments

[silk rain]

Yea fs

[bright moon]

I just realized Toki was awakened because she could send other people using her power

[modest skiff]

No OS references FYI

What you specifically described is a spoiler for hxh and the rules of this server are very strict about that

[opal sparrow]

Oh shit my bad

[bright moon]

This is a leading theory, especially since One Piece in Japanese is written as “a piece of the whole “

[modest skiff]

No worries, not everyone knows

[steady hinge]

Idk I just think that time travel is a valid possibility since it’s concept has already been introduced

And why would Raleigh say “u cant do anything about it “

[modest skiff]

It’s valid but we don’t really have any indication of anything going back

[bright moon]

Toki is from the void period isn’t she? Or was she born after ? Cause I could swear she said “800 years ago.” And she claimed her parents were from Wano. I wonder what Lineage she comes from if she connects at all there or even to the CD

[stuck ore]

Yeah she was born around 830 years back

[bright moon]

Now I wish she didn’t die even more , just her geography knowledge of back then has got to be wild and interesting

[opal sparrow]

I still wanna know what’s in Wano that has kaido there for YEARS

Why did kaido leave wano at some point and ended up in sky island?

[bright moon]

Vibin , but really though I think it’s cause he’s done everything he wants like WB and is doing what he pleases now

[bright moon]

I thought he tried to kill himself by falling off it ? But ended up assaulting Kidd

[opal sparrow]

But why kill himself if he’s waiting or tryna do something in wano?

[bright moon]

I’m saying he feels the most relaxed there particularly , like how WB felt fine just chilling on his ship

[opal sparrow]

Oh yea

We gonna get king back story next few chapter

[bright moon]

I hope so , his species intrigues me

I wonder if his base form wings are from an environmental adaptation like the Skypea wings

Feathery pteradon wings? That would be wild . And well he has been shown to be very destructive with his fire . Practically like a flying machine gun

[dry sedge]

I found out who joyboy is

[gloomy canyon]

@dry sedge keep this channel to serious theories and input only please

[dry sedge]

😴

[proud tree]

Why had Broggy human bones in his camp?

[dusty galleon]

People who had tried to survive the year it took for the log to set but could not

[light onyx]

Didn’t people live in this island ?

[dusty galleon]

No

[light onyx]

Oh

[dusty galleon]

It was still in the dinosaur ages, humans hadn't evolved on that island

[light onyx]

Ahhh

[rough hollow]

probably just people who died waiting for their log pose

[foggy rain]

Any good theories or debates goin on late af?

[ancient vault]

!pins if you wanna read some

[lone hedge]

PC:
Check for 📌 at the top right of your screen.

Mobile:
Click on the channel’s name at the top of your screen or swipe to the left, then search for 📌.

[foggy rain]

Aye that’s fire ty for lmk

[ancient vault]

^^

https://youtu.be/_i6fBySbA-g

@dusky acorn @night jewel @sturdy hawk @ember axle @craggy pumice @tired osprey @copper frost
I told y'all these people keep stealing my theories

Literally straight up stolen

3 days after I posted my theory

[night jewel]

LMFAO wtf

where are they hiding

[dusky acorn]

Lol yep, that's unfortunate. But on the other hand, this makes it feel so fascinating to me how much reach the discussions just in this channel alone have on the OP community. Wonder what other theories could have been taken from us without us knowing

[ancient vault]

he got 100k views of my theory smh

[slim moat]

What's the theory about?

[night jewel]

I brought up the idea of luffy destroying the redline at marie geoise himself while defeating imu at the same time, knocking him down all the way to the bottom of the sea, destroying fishman island this way too (i don't think this has been brought up before as far as i Know) and Morj included it in his endgame theory series

[ember axle]

now we have more evidence you are morj

[night jewel]

[ember axle]

was you theory about rocks' fruit?

[ancient vault]

its pinned but its about rocks having the hellhound fruit and esting CDs

[ancient vault]

#manga-theories message

[ember axle]

yikes

[ancient vault]

he even used my image

u can tell on the sides because I did a poor job cropping it

[night jewel]

https://youtu.be/lkelHLQwHWo?t=856

timestamped

almost a month and half after I said this

that message has typos but i didnt want to correct them because i knew someone would steal it and an edited message won't be good proof

[ember axle]

ok morj

[night jewel]

but yea, idk where these people are hiding, i don't mind seeing these ideas get spread throughout the world but they should atleast give credit for them

zero credit basically means they are outright stealing these theories.

[ancient vault]

he literally stole it word for word bro

Im watching it right now he stole everything from my theory

[night jewel]

yea pretty unfortunate

[ancient vault]

time to make a youtube channel and expose him

[radiant geyser]

I mean there's no guarantee he saw your theory and straight up ripped it off
He had a bunch of other points to add to it, so unless you also said those, it's better to not dwell on it

[ancient vault]

I wouldnt even mind if someone had the same hellhound idea as me I dont think its unlikely they would have the same thought. But he ripped it off completely

He took the same images and ripped off the entire part about braziliano inspiration etc.

[night jewel]

he doesn't really add anything to the luffy destroying redline section, he copies it word for word.

[radiant geyser]

where's your original theory so I can read?

[night jewel]

pinned

[ancient vault]

#manga-theories message

[radiant geyser]

if this is the message you claim he's copying, he's really not

[night jewel]

well he calls an end to one piece through pluton/ one piece underwhelming/anticlimactic, almost copying my words completely.

[night jewel]

this specific message is from a discussion about meaningful locations for the finale of arc, meaningful finishers for the opponents, and then he proceeds to bring up that in relation to the same topic in his video

I don't know what more you need, but I also call it a parallel to doflamingo's defeat as well

doffy already parallels imu in some ways ofc

but yea, once again, if you are going to bring up some ideas from different communities of one piece, you should atleast credit the person who made that up. New ideas being spread throughout the fandom is always a great thing so i have no issues with that atleast, just think there are better ways for that

[slim moat]

Nice theory.

[ancient vault]

Thanks

[radiant geyser]

You definitely have some great ideas. I mean, I absolutely believe them myself. My point is more that it's not uncommon for different people to come up with the same ideas independently, especially with ideas that work this well. It happens pretty often in mathematics and science (e.g. calculus, evolution etc.), so I don't think it's fair to jump to accusing Morj of stealing

[ancient vault]

I dont think thats what Arsal is doubting. Its the fact that hes bringing up the same points that were made in that discussion I think

[forest rampart]

Imagine if someone made a theory about what is the one piece and he's right, then it spread worldwide and even Oda knows about it. I imagine that Oda will add around 3-10 years from his original estimated ending for the series since he said that he'll change the ending if a fan could guess it right.

[radiant geyser]

I mean they're logical points you'd naturally think about when coming up with the theory. I don't want to diminish Arsal here though, because it's not a common theory, it's impressive he came up with it

[night jewel]

I am sure there is some chance that Morj happened to come up with every idea brought up in those specific discussions, I don't completely doubt that, I just think it seems too much of a coincidence for Morj to post a video with one section containing the exact same ideas roughly after a month ( or half a month after the 2nd screenshot). Basically, I am not saying its guaranteed that he stole it or anything, I just think it seems to be a little too much to be just a mere coincidence ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[bright moon]

It’s also a big leading theory that the redline will be destroyed as a sort of “endgame feat .”

I’ve heard been discussed as early as years ago

[night jewel]

oh yea, that idea is extremely popular lol

cannot take credit for that lol, i hadn't even started one piece back when it was first brought up (it was brought up in 2011 iirc), just talking about a specific section of that video

[ancient vault]

Thinkikg about doing sth about that yter because I doubt this is the first time he stole theories

[bright moon]

Oda had been hinting at the destruction of the red line as early as when we saw Laboon trying to destroy it. It’s clearly an unnatural creation that was added on to the world that even the wildlife hasn’t adapted to. It’s making the world “less free “ making it the perfect thing for Luffy to destroy

[violet scarab]

Momo vs Kaido?

[bright moon]

Eh… while I think adult Momo can help, I highly doubt he can actually fight, let alone solo Kaido

[violet scarab]

Well I think he'll fight and lose

[ancient vault]

Nah I think he can fight. Just not Kaidon

[violet scarab]

Then Luffy will jump in

[bright moon]

Like imagine a 8 year old suddenly being put into an adult body like the move “big.” Their mind stayed the same, he’s not gonna suddenly learn combat experience or gain martial techniques and haki

[violet scarab]

Momo isn't gonna like flying since he's scared of heights

[bright moon]

He can now make bigger clouds cause he’ll be a bigger dragon, and thus can help but not really fight

[wicked forum]

I have a theory fruits are devils souls and devils was living in empty century but world goverment killed every devils or turned every devil into a fruit with devils souls

[violet scarab]

I feel like he can do more than just create clouds

[violet scarab]

You shouldn't be here it's full of spoilers

[bright moon]

I think the devils are fruit as a form , similarly to how Kami (gods ) in Japanese tales will take the form of fruit , usually looking like an apple ironically

[wicked forum]

Oh sorry i just wanted to send my theory

[violet scarab]

All good just didn't want to spoil anything for you

Np

[dusky acorn]

Well, I'd think Momo could try his hand at replicating some of the elemental attacks that Kaido could do. The problem in wanting Momo to do more than use his flame clouds is that it would imply wanting him to be involved in an actual fight

And realistically, the only significant character I could see him fighting at this stage is Kaido.. which is pretty devastating to try at all, even if he becomes an adult

[ancient vault]

Momo vs Devon

or Shiryu

That guy also took alpha2lates theories smh

[covert hazel]

Momo vs Devon? You can take that theory and keep it ew

[slim moat]

I think Redline creation predates void century some 600 years. One piece world has Sea Circle calendar.

[forest rampart]

Momo vs Devon or Shiryu or Lafitte (coz they'll come to Wano)

[bright moon]

It’s still a clearly unnatural formation that the wildlife has a problem with even in the present , which still hints at its destruction because it’s stifling the world .

Still, knowing it came pre void century is big… makes me wonder if this isn’t the first time the world has been totally terraformed for personal use

[slim moat]

Do they consider grandline and redline as something stifling? We don't know how it used to work back in void century. This unnatural phenomena still kept huge chunk of world out of World Gov reach.

[bright moon]

The wildlife does and they would understand the worlds cycles better than the humans . I’m saying it’s stifling because of Laboon. Clearly the whales among other creatures were at one point able to traverse freely but now they can’t . The red line is a power play by whoever set it up but it definitely is both unnatural and stifling.
Heck not even humans can freely pass through the red line except through those select portions making it super easy(easier anyways ) to control who goes in and out stifling it further .

It’s obviously not stifling to the WG or whoever the line was set up to benefit , cause that was the point . It still remains that the line is being set up to be removed if not destroyed entirely

[slim moat]

is they any manga panel to support your claims?

[bright moon]

We literally watched Laboon smashing his head into the red line because he was trying to get to the other side , we had a whole mini arc where the merry had to go up that waterfall to “cross “ the red line because there’s no other way. I’m not making outlandish claims here

[slim moat]

You think it's stiffing to traverse the seas. But one piece people may find it adventurous to traverse the grandline. That's their world. Unless we see some one complaining about Redline oppressing them, I don't see how it can be bad. Laboon situation is less to do with redline, more to do with waiting for his pirate friends.

[modest skiff]

wow that's fucked

[waxen dust]

I told you we need to make some YouTube videos with our theories before someone else gets that monetization money.
People always stealing ideas from here

[modest skiff]

Yeah so on one hand I think that sharing/augmenting each others theories is a really great part of this community and a really fun part of being a part of it. But I also have a deep, deep hatred for all the theory youtubers. They are sub-scum. So the idea of them profiting from our ideas makes me nauseous

[halcyon talon]

Yeah talking to each other is fun, stealing peoples content is where umm... yeah just fuck off with the stealing 😂😂

[waxen dust]

Dude that’s why I am reserved with some of my ideas and haven’t actually posted my theories on here anymore. Few weeks ago I posted that Kaido-Joyboy theory and next thing I know I have one person copying/pasting my theory word from word on TikTok (200K views) as their own! Then some random YouTuber tired to make a video like a day after I shared my theory lmao https://youtu.be/GXV1Iycut44

[forest rampart]

Laboon was a lost child, separated from his parents. He'll eventually reunited with his parents from the other side of the separated sea, the New World.
The only way for him to get there is by destroying the red line. But which red wall? Popular theory said it'll be the second half of red line, the one with Marijoa on it. I assume that the red line that was built by humans was that part, while the red line of the reverse mountain was natural all along. Sometimes ago, before the void century, people didn't have to cross the reverse mountain to enter the grand line. In fact, the water canals of the reverse mountain was only there after the void century. Someone cut it in the past, a strong swordsman. It's possible that the regions of wano are separated into what they are now was because of the same individual too. But I still can't really understand for what reason he separated wano into several regions other than maybe to keep it safe from pirates swarmed into the country.

[forest rampart]

At least you know who's stealing your ideas coz I'm not the kind that would watch and read theories other than what I care.

[modest skiff]

Honestly, I live a happy life with or without these youtube people. I've enjoyed sharing and comparing ideas with you guys a great deal. If some random dumb ass profits from my theory, I will still wake up in the same life I have today. I am bothered by these dummies existing, but I think I would suffer from letting it squelch my sharing of ideas

[ancient vault]

^^

I feel really bad for original small content creators who are trying to make it big but are shutdown by guys that steal their stuff

[silk rain]

why not just make our own yt

[craggy pumice]

Holy shit

That’s really bad

[forest rampart]

Not everyone cares for making profit.

[craggy pumice]

But also shows how good your theory is

[waxen dust]

My problem is; I take time out of my day to thoroughly look at the story and brainstorm ideas. For sure it’s fun to share and bring up ideas that make you think, but it’s even more rewarding knowing that you’re being credited for the ideas and theory ESPECIALLY when they come up being correct. I’m too old to stress over little things like “stealing theories” because it’s not something to be copyrighted, BUT I definitely believe it kills people’s drive to share ideas when someone else intentionally steals your thunder. Major turn off imo

[ancient vault]

[ancient vault]

Yeah its the fact you put time and hard work into researching writing it out structuring etc just for someone to come by and steal it completely

[modest skiff]

I only joined this community in May 2021 so maybe I'm just not so discouraged yet

[ancient vault]

Y'all boomers

[forest rampart]

Imagine not being a boomer

Nah, just joking

[waxen dust]

Boomers are OP in the One Piece verse tho 👀

[waxen dust]

yeah just be careful because randos do lurk on here and look to steal ideas, my best advice is make a reddit post for your theory then share the link on here.

[modest skiff]

Luckily I make my theories in such janky ways and don't include a single reference because I know you guys all know what I'm talking about lmao

ain't nobody stealing my brain barf that i dump out between meetings at work

You guys make theories WAY more worth stealing

[ancient vault]

I did post it on WG and thriller bark forum anyway (reddit is weird) so yeah he probably stole it somewhere from there

[waxen dust]

Don’t count yourself out; You got good ideas too, maybe try putting one together in an actual format and see how it comes out as a fully fleshed theory. I’m sure there’s a few ideas that’ll be better than most YTubers can come up with, especially better than BB as an Octopus smfh

[waxen dust]

I used to post on Oro Jackson and Arlong Park, but now I mainly post on Reddit because most eyes are on there and it’s harder to get theories stolen than on TBF (people ALWAYS steal stuff on there).

[ancient vault]

yeah Ive heard the ladder too

[pure raven]

LMFAOOO that's fucking sad😭 😭 😭 💀

[modest skiff]

Thank you for the kind words 🙂

[ancient vault]

💀 💀 💀 💀

[hollow grotto]

I posted about Vegapunk having a long head, and a few weeks later, I saw a video by the GLR making notice of and pointing that very idea out. It's most likely just a coincidence but it was rather strangely timed.

[ancient vault]

That longhead thing has been pointed out long before tho so I dont think he stole it.

[hollow grotto]

yeah, it has and I doubt it was, but the timing of it just felt very strange as it wasn't too long after the theory was posted

I'm more-so happy that it's been acknowledged though, glad to see it's being discussed now

[lunar stone]

Yall got bleach manga in here too?

[ancient vault]

#other-series

https://twitter.com/d_n_i_e_l/status/1421252084524007436

ダニエル (@d_n_i_e_l)

@Eloyssemb En ese vídeo hay cosas que desde mi punto de vista están mal explicadas porque lo que falta en el ojo izquierdo de Jaya no es la isla que flota sobre el agujero de ENIES LOBBY (como se ve en la miniatura del vídeo), si no que es la propia isla de Laugh Tale.

Twitter · Jul 30, 2021, 11:31 PM

prob nothing new but I didnt know about this

[waxen dust]

I read your Longhead theory, but like swrml said that’s been noted for some time. The connection between Tsukimi and Vegapunk both having similar shape heads and scientists actually ties into my personal idea that we’ll have Vegapunk and Enel in the same arc because of their potential ties to Tsukimi and his robots.

[hollow grotto]

That's an interesting connection and I could definitely see that happening. Any thoughts on how Enel would return and why?

[waxen dust]

this guy’s got some good theories; some of them I can actually agree with

[hollow grotto]

sad that the Vegapunk connection's already been made, since I tried to find anything on it while researching but found nothing

at least it sparked a lot of interest by people who didn't know, that's good enough for me

[ancient vault]

Oh I didnt know it was his theory

I was stalking the guys twitter who stole the theory and found this in liked tweets

[hollow grotto]

amazing, ratted himself out

[waxen dust]

no I think Yuderon was the one who made that theory; this guy happened to go further into depth a few weeks after he dropped his video on YT back in Dec/Jan WAY before Ohara.

[waxen dust]

He actually has this theory; it’s pretty good

https://twitter.com/d_n_i_e_l/status/1357777429130076162?s=21

ダニエル (@d_n_i_e_l)

#ワンピース
#ONEPIECE

イム様 → 三つ目族 → 太陽の神... ?

Im-sama → Tribu de los tres ojos → Dios del Sol... ?

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Twitter · Feb 5, 2021, 7:45 PM

[ancient vault]

looks interesting. Let me check it out

[night jewel]

bb is an octopus is a theory stolen from reddit too

a youtuber steals it from a reddit post, then another youtuber steals it from that youtuber

[ancient vault]

The guy also stole the octopus theory btw

[night jewel]

lmfao

[ancient vault]

@waxen dust before I say anything. I dont like red squares but the way he compiles it together is really satisfying and aesthetically pleasing ngl

[night jewel]

time to make our own youtube channels just so no one can steal stuff anymore

[hollow grotto]

the official discord one piece youtube channel

[waxen dust]

you know...it’s funny you mentioned that because I remember seeing the Octopus post on reddit and iirc the the guy who made the theory called GLR out. But it’s funny because a smaller YTuber actually stole it first then Randy Troy vouched for that video and I think afterwards like few days later GLR made his video LOL

[hollow grotto]

didn't GLR acknowledge that it wasn't his?

or does that not matter in these situations

[waxen dust]

I don’t remember but it dont matter because that theory wrong anyways

[hollow grotto]

fair enough

[ancient vault]

@hollow grotto didnt u wanna elaborate on tat theory

[hollow grotto]

I did yeah, just because I keep seeing so much evidence fly around but nobody's made a full version of it

[ancient vault]

Interesting but he left it to open. He didnt refer back to drum island why its important and why BB invaded it. Whats with dr kureha?

wrong chat

[forest rampart]

I've always thought that perhaps there's a parallel between Kureha and Imu since I think that Imu was someone from VC that live a long life (around 800 yrs old), somewhat like Kureha (141 yrs old), and both are women (just my other idea that Imu is a woman). It's interesting to know that Imu could also be translated as medical matter.

Maybe that's why Oda teased us with Kureha's secret of staying "young". It could work as another parallel with Imu's secret of living a long life.

[queen arrow]

Oda answered what Kureha's secret is

[forest rampart]

Is it about sour plum?

[queen arrow]

it's being happy

the point i'm trying to get is that i really doubt it will be anything big for the story and it's a gag at best

[forest rampart]

Um.. I thought it's umeboshi/ pickle plum

But I found this from wiki anyway

Kureha seems to have a drinking habit, judging by the bottle of plum sake (梅酒, umeshu?) that she always keeps close at hand.

She apparently likes pickled plums, as stated by Dalton.

[steady hinge]

I think Imu is imortal, somehow the last user of the ope ope no mi (before law) made the angel surgery in him

[forest rampart]

Not immortal, but live a long live because of a previous ope ope no mi user used his power on Imu, yep. By performing an operation that will grant an eternal youth

[steady hinge]

Yeah

[sand sail]

Or maybe Im is a brand new person who isn't immortal

[steady hinge]

I think it’s unlikely

[sand sail]

Is it tho?

[steady hinge]

I think the Ope Ope no mi will have a greater importance on the story

[sand sail]

It was the entire driving force behind the basis of Law's character, it's been pretty important so far

Im being immortal doesn't really give the Ope Ope any greater importance either tho

[steady hinge]

Mmm yeah true I just don’t belive Oda would just make Imu a random guy, their must be something about him related to the void century

[sand sail]

He's the leader of the Celestial Dragons, that's honestly all he really needs for a connection to the Void Century. Beyond that, I never really got the need for Imu to be somehow from back then

[steady hinge]

Idk idk, but changing theme , why the fuck is their a ponenglyth in Alabasta ? Isn’t Alabasta one of the founding kingdoms of the WG

[sand sail]

Indeed it is, and it's there because poneglyphs are scattered throughout the world. It was buried though, they seemed to be meant to safeguard it and keep it secret

They can't destroy it, can't throw it in the ocean since Alabasta is a good bit away from the sea

[weary cliff]

It's probably related to the reason the Nefertari's stayed in Alabasta

[sand sail]

And it was already literally buried, so it was fairly safe

[steady hinge]

Yeah but why didn’t he give it to the WG instead of leaving it their, it would be way safer to leave it in Marejoa

[weary cliff]

Because in some way they were working with the ancient kingdom

[steady hinge]

It’s possible

[forest rampart]

Just realised that Law hates bread and umeboshi, the irony. I think that Law would refuse to perform the eternal youth surgery on someone if needed too, but only if he's already mastered his df power.

[amber oar]

Even then this dude speculated Who's Who was a government spy. Well, he's actually a disgraced WG agent, but still a fantastic prediction

[ancient vault]

Well her character ight be important for other stuff later on. Potentially rocks

[proud tree]

oh no I dont understand spanish

but it looks interesting

[ancient vault]

twitter has a translate function

[modest skiff]

If someone says BB is from a pole and wants to eat the sun, I will take full credit unless someone else already said it lol

[ancient vault]

I think he'll cause a solar eclipse

[bright moon]

That would be interesting considering he “consumed “ Entei the sun god via ace’s attack

[light onyx]

Has it happened yet ?

[halcyon talon]

Anyone else find it cool when jimbei got clout from cp0

"Whos to say he'll last the night; he is fighting jimbei after all"

Fuk yeah my boi jimbei lets goo

[feral reef]

probably robin

[pure raven]

yes

before that, even

chapter 101, Usopp goes alone to fight the sea kings falls

[little kelp]

what do you guys think of the theory that the SH's are the 9 shadows that'll bring the Dawn in Wano instead of the scabbards?

[weary cliff]

Well. Aren't there already 10 total?

[silk rain]

Yeah I haven't heard of that onee, but it would've made sense if there werent 10 of them

[halcyon talon]

yeah true

[pure raven]

Hey guys
Do u know that theory that links the Alabasta 8 pointed sun with Ancient kingdom 8 pointed symbol and the kozuki family too? That I already knew, but am I the only one discovering that also Neptune king has a tatoo 8 pointed in his right arm, Wiper (skipiea) also has one in his left arm and Blackbeard flag has it too? Also that the One piece globe that appeared in Ohara scene has 8 satellites (moons or planets or whatever those are)? man im feeling stupid lol

[modest skiff]

Yeah I think a lot of people are squinting at that lately. The cool thing is we definitely don’t have 8 nations yet so I’ll be curious which ones are left

My hope is that one or 2 of them are the poles. Since I think BB is somehow related to pole people, it would be consistent with my belief that BB is chaotic good and everything he’s done is to destroy the CDs

[pure raven]

maybe elbaf is inside this group too

[modest skiff]

Ya I think so

[torpid mist]

Could Bege take a giant in?

Yeah and what would the height diff look like in his castle

[bright moon]

Random , crazy thought ; what if Luffy’s awakening isn’t to make his surroundings rubber, but to have full control of his density without needing to blow air? Aka being able to use G3 moves and shapes without air, but then what if he can become a full on giant by increasing all of his proportions to the max? Then at that point still actually blow air to have a super massive fist . Big enough to shatter the red line .

There’s my crockpot theory

[sturdy hound]

@stuck slate dont be weird and keep the channel serious

[ancient vault]

didnt we see him activate gear 4 without blowing in his arm and I dont think that would be anything special for an awakening

[pure raven]

was roger's death due to haki poisoining? Roger's body couldn't take his own will because it was so powerful that his body couldn'tt handle it or his own will started to tell the body to be done.

[ancient vault]

Theres nothing hinting towards that. As far as we know it was just a disease unable to be cured

[waxen dust]

Haki poisoning
LMFAOOOOOOOOO

[ancient vault]

lmao its possible that h3 also gets thaz disease no need to delete that

[pure raven]

I dunno, It's an idea that could work but I honestly couldn't think of any other reason for it to be true. Only if Luffy will suffer the same fate and with his constant encounters with poison, It kinda works. It's a plain theory but it's easily disproven because there's no indication what's the disease lore wise.

[waxen dust]

As far Luffy possibly getting sick; that’s a likelihood, especially when in Oden’s flashback we got two people sick and coincidentally they were both DF users.

But Haki Poisoning....C’mon dude you can come up with something better than that! Might as well inject lead into his body and call it a journey.

[ancient vault]

U mean toki and buggy?

[pure raven]

I'd like to think that because he achieved his goals but couldn't achieve joyboy's goals, his will started to tell his body to stop being alive so it can be passed on. I dunno but It's too tropey.

[ancient vault]

But ze didnt achieve his goal. He had the disease before he met Oden

[modest skiff]

The only thing that made me squint about Roger's illness is the fact that WB was also sick. But it could just be that WB was old and Roger got sick and simple as that

One of the things that makes me a bit skeptical though is that it feels like there must be some kinda "cure" devil fruit or some way to cure almost anything

[modest skiff]

I'm just really curious about Roger's disease being uncurable. Makes me squint. But I am paranoid. TBH i think we just don't know about Roger's illness

[ancient vault]

Its gonna be laughing. Laughter majes the pain go away

[modest skiff]

Oda is plain and simply too good a writer for this. We don't have reason to think Oda would ever be this cheap

[ancient vault]

and my theory that luffys dream is to make everyone laugh ties into choppers dream too

[modest skiff]

If it feels tropey, as you said (which I agree with), IMO that means it isn't gonna be what Oda does. I think you're right to point out that doesn't feel likely

[modest skiff]

you mean laughing as a cure? for the same thing roger had?

[pure raven]

Yeah, I've been reading to many random mangas that tropes get into me. Is the inherited will an actual thing in OP or did the community create that to see paralels?

[waxen dust]

I honestly think Roger’s illness could have been a curse; it doesn’t seem like an ordinary sickness, especially if he was still able to fight the way he could.

[sand ingot]

Did Roger have luffys fruit? Because someone said he died from a blood disease from using gear 2 too much. Idk tho

[pure raven]

There's no indication that Roger has a fruit or no, yet.

[ancient vault]

Kind of. Bringing joy to others can cure sth. Like the cherry blossoms Hiluluk saw brought joy to him and cured him

[sand ingot]

Hm ok.

[ancient vault]

Its nothing new that laughter and joy is healthy and can boost the immune system

[waxen dust]

So Chopper’s cure will be a placebo

[ancient vault]

Basically yeah. It majes no sense that theres an actual disease that heals everything

So much shit I ned to write out

[pure raven]

Maybe Roger had depression or some kind of mental illness, i heard people who lose their will to live can die.

[modest skiff]

Yeah it definitely feels like something special. Perhaps curse. The only thing that makes that feel weird is that we know he was gonna die eventually. I wonder if he meant that as a metaphor. Probably not. Don’t have any reason to think it was a metaphor other than him being cheeky. Seems weird to have a curse that is “ok so you die in 5 years”, especially since he apparently got this sickness before setting out on his one piece adventure right? So it would have had to have been a part of his otherwise adventures. Hmmm…how long before his illness was god valley?

[ancient vault]

Or I make a yt theory so mfs cant steal it

[waxen dust]

https://tenor.com/view/were-waiting-angry-mad-gif-4318766

[pure raven]

We don't know what happened before crocus diagnosed him right, It could be a potential flashback, if it comes back?

[ancient vault]

@modest skiff I was also thinking about if Roger was potentially cured after LT but he still decided to go out to reignite a new pirate age but theres this one panel where the narrator says h7s disease was in his final stages when he leaves the ship mhm

[modest skiff]

Perhaps if Roger got the illness at god valley, Roger prevented others from getting it in some way. Perhaps that earned him a favor from Garp that he ended up using

[ancient vault]

I think toger helping out garp is favor enough

[pure raven]

Oh yeah, It could be that they lied so roger can surrender himself without force from his crew. but this sounds so stupid..

[waxen dust]

IIRC, Roger got sick right after reaching Lodestar; Then they had to recruit Crocus...so something tells me it has to be a curse because it seemed like they weren’t measuring Roger’s lifespan by his health conditions but more so based on time. The keyword “time” had been emphasized by Roger throughout the Oden flashback and any time he’s mentioned in a flashback. So it could likely be something or someone did some kind of voodoo.

[ancient vault]

Problem is the narrator said it. I dont know if Oda uses that narrator trope that also hides and lies to the reader

[ancient vault]

Remember that old hag urouge met before the timeskip

[modest skiff]

For some reason I thought he started his one piece journey specifically because he knew he had a clock ticking against him

[waxen dust]

You mean Kasa from Rajin Island

[ancient vault]

She has a name???

yes her

[modest skiff]

Yeah fwiw I just assume the narrator is never lying but rather may have incomplete information. Specifying the later stages feels like the narrator knew. So I agree with you it’s likely he wasn’t actually cured after LT

[ancient vault]

Yh dont remember oda ever using the narrator to lie to us

[waxen dust]

We don’t know why Roger ever starts the journey in the first place, all we can infer was Roger didn’t accomplish his goal the first time around so he had to go a second time and specifically find Laugh Tale.

We don’t have ANY idea where Roger got inspired to go out on this grand journey in the first place. AND that’s one of my most curious questions. WHY?

[wicked charm]

we'd need to get to Lodestar island to find that out

what was there to indicate to roger that theres another island

[ancient vault]

he wanted to turn the world upside dpwn he told ray

[ancient vault]

hw already said that in 966 i think

[waxen dust]

It’s inferred there was an explanation of collecting the poneglyphs and the needles on the log pose spun spontaneously indicating it reseted so Roger concluded there was one more island (Laugh Tale)

[wicked charm]

yea then thats y he went to laughtale

[modest skiff]

Yeah it sounds like Lode Star is essentially where you are told about the journey itself? Totally baseless, but inferences seem somewhat fair based on what we know

[waxen dust]

Yeah but WHY?!
I want to know where does that idea initially stem from for Roger.

[wicked charm]

he wanted to travel all over the world, and he found out theres another island, and ofc he'll go

[ancient vault]

funny guy

[wicked charm]

funny guy indeed, it was a cool line to say lmao

[ancient vault]

Wait there was an explanation on LS? or do you mean rogers explanation

[modest skiff]

Anyone remotely powerful and half a moral compass should feel extremely motivated to dethrone the CDs. Could have just been that. They are slave traders who rule the world. Everyone should be super bothered by that

[waxen dust]

We’ll be going there forsure 100% and Crocus seemed to be hinting something significant is there. Then Inuarashi who was unsure himself reaffirmed Crocus’ statement to follow the log pose to the end (Lodestar)

[ancient vault]

Rogers goal wasnt directly dethroning the CDs tho. Turning the world upside down just means creating as much chaos as possible

[pure raven]

Does the OP community think that Luffy is joyboy, or are there other joyboy theories like vivi, momo, and sabo? I watched it because it really seems that luffy inherited joyboy's will.

[modest skiff]

Yeah I think its like "congrats, you made it to Lode Star, you may now begin the final quest"

[wicked charm]

i think roger/rayleigh said that Lodestar island is where they first heard abt the road poneglyphs

[ancient vault]

Most think its luffy

[modest skiff]

I don't take Roger to want to bring chaos to the world. Just didn't fit with my mental image of his personality. I think he was morally driven

[wicked charm]

we still dont know rogers goal/dream 😔

[waxen dust]

IIRC during Zou, Inu or Neko mentioned the explanation of Poneglyphs is at the end of the log pose and we learned in Roger’s explanation that the log pose needles spun out of control since no magnetism could be directed ahead thus indicating the end of the New World.

[idle meadow]

Blackbeard swallowing the whole last Island with “Blackhole” would be so funny.

[pure raven]

We know that it's the same as luffy but that's the only clue we know.

[ancient vault]

thats old roger. Young roger was just reckless i think

[ancient vault]

Who td explains it??

Are you sure they meanr lodestar or did they mean laugh tale

[wicked charm]

Lodestar island

[waxen dust]

Lodestar because Inu said to Nami something “You’re already at the end of the journey” in regards to following the log pose

[wicked charm]

it was in that convo with nami and her navigating beyond the final island navigable thru the log pose

[waxen dust]

Yeah, but at the end of the conversation Inuarushi realized Crocus for some reason wants them to go to Lodestar so he tells Nami to keep following the log pose

[modest skiff]

Not convinced of that but maybe. indeterminate imo

[modest skiff]

this just makes things more confusing and frustrating lmao

[waxen dust]

yeah the scene was convoluted and lots of people get confused when reaching this part; but this essentially sets in stone regardless of the Road Poneglyphs we still need to go to Lodestar. MAYBE that’s where the last one is located, I personally think it could be possible especially since of the key words “Lode” & “Road” have some resemblance in Japanese.

[modest skiff]

maybe hmmm

[wicked charm]

took a while to find the panels

[modest skiff]

Ok so that sounds fairly conclusive. Normally you find out about red glyphs at lode star, but they already knew

[wicked charm]

slowmode is a pain

[modest skiff]

alright i can't stay awake, reading chapter tomorrow. night guys

[wicked charm]

night 👋

[ancient vault]

so we 100% going to lodestar

[granite terrace]

I have a theory about Big mom and the orphans

Remember when Big mom and the orphans were eating? The orphans disappeared the Marines havnt seem mama Carmel and 2 people saw what happend so this is what happend BIG MOM ATE THE ORPHANS!!

[woven sierra]

yo nah thats too dark for one piece

[viral glen]

Nice theory but it was already confirmed big mom ate them

Dark but eh, there has been darker ones

[forest rampart]

Those words always confused me. So what Inu was saying was that one need to follow to the last island that the log pose needles can point to, Lodestar, not Laugh Tale. And when SHs reach Lodestar, they'll realize about the mystery of poneglyph words (all poneglyphs they've seen so far, not that Inu was trying to say that there'll be a poneglyph at Lodestar). And they'll also realize who (the civilization) created poneglyph words in the past. (Kozuki Clan gave birth to the poneglyph stone, but they still need to learn how to decipher those words. So it's possible that those that used to reside on Lodestar speak poneglyph words or smth like that). And only at Lodestar they'll realize about Laugh Tale as the final island.

Now I wonder who were the civilization that once lived on Lodestar. While we don't know what kind of climate Lodestar has, if is a winter island, I think it could be the island of three eyed tribe. This could also explained why BB liked to study history. But it doesn't really limited to three eyed tribe only since there's still other mysteries that could be related directly to winter theme within the series.

[waxen dust]

Lodestar
-Navigational Star
-Definitely Info Lore Dump
-Possibly Last Road Poneglyph
-Third Eye Tribe (maybe)
-Blackbeard

[umbral creek]

FLAMING CUTTING IS A MECHANIC OF COC, its imposing the will of the user onto the flame

[crisp topaz]

hey just thinking on last chapter. If shinobu ages Momo what does the fruit having Kiado DNA gonna play a part in his aging ?

[forest rampart]

About the cure all medicine, I think it exists, not that Chopper will invent one. It'll be a mushroom since Chopper gave Hiruluk poisonous mushroom, and he ate hito hito no mi that has mushroom-like shape. The location of that medicine will be either at Marijoa, or somewhere around Jaya and Skypiea: it's probably on the Emerald Island or Nakrowa Island. I don't think it'll be on Laugh Tale since imo Roger would be able to cure himself if it was there.

[forest rampart]

I like the idea that the last road poneglyph is in Elbaf rather than Lodestar if Elbaf is Shanks (a yonko's) territory. It would be weird if it is at Lodestar if there's no one to guard the stone, unless if Shanks is there.

[grizzled halo]

Dude I'm just thinking about kings race thats what got me the most they said there home was on top the red line isn't that where the fucking world capital and Marie Geoise is?

That's only another factor to add about how the world government was created

[forest rampart]

Red Line is a pretty long and vast continent. There's plenty of space to where they can live on

[grizzled halo]

But I'm sure there's a difference at what they would call the "top" of the redline

[forest rampart]

Ofc I meant they lived on the top of red line. There's plenty of space above the red line.

[hoary oar]

Guess killer can force Hawkins to kill himself. If killed by his own self maybe kid won't b damaged

[grizzled halo]

what are you insinuating here?

Idk of a place that could be above

[wicked charm]

the red line is a planet wide huge barrier

mariejois is on a small part on top

[forest rampart]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/L9Ocg6KQu3w/maxresdefault.jpg

was trying to find that image. so you can see there's plenty of space above red line

[junior cape]

Yep

Especially if nobody explores it

You could farm and live in complete isolation on top of the red line, and nobody could do anything about it

Because the energy costs of getting there are absurd

[violet scarab]

I think Buggy will become a yonko by accident
And I'm very serious about this theory no jokes.

[light onyx]

Ahh thank you

[feral sail]

tbh i think the same lmao
i mean its oda i really wish he does that

[violet scarab]

Like it would be cool

And he would probably get another glow up

[opaque pivot]

Need 1023 spoilers

[split glacier]

Nooooo

[summer comet]

Since my prediction of king race living on red line became true

Imma say zoro vs mihawk also will happen on top of red line in "final war"

[violet scarab]

Finale war in marie jois!?

[opaque iris]

it is likely

[dusky acorn]

King's race having adapted to grow wings due to the great altitudes they were in is perfectly understandable, but what is it about the geography of the Red Line that would have prompted them to gain free ability over fire?

And is it just a coincidence that we're now learning about this fire controlling race in the same arc Sun God Nika was revealed? From Who's Who's observation, even just knowing about the existence of the divine figure is deemed to be a crime.

Incidentally, King's race were wiped out, and it's now known that King also has this divine naming scheme to his attacks. I think I might be able to see how some of this adds up

[summer comet]

Yaa hard to say it's a coincidence

[summer comet]

I guess or just what ever the final big war is, I bet it's going to be strawhats vs BB pirate vs marine and others with different side

[ancient vault]

yeah nika looks like he has a flame head

[pure raven]

I just found this

[split glacier]

I'm convinced.

[slim moat]

I used to wonder if any one lives on red line. It's the only continent in one piece world. It should have good number of countries on its only continent.

[gritty kite]

If he can fly they could live in caves and nests-houses harpy style in the sides of red line

[maiden monolith]

Wano is the country where seastone is produced right? Couldn't Killer use it against Hawkins to beat him if he manages to find some?
Also, could Hawkins kill a yonko by cutting his own throat open with a puppet linked to Kaido for example?

[ancient vault]

Ee dont know if he can link his powers to someone as strong as kaido

[forest rampart]

Just a random thought. If Tama gets her bounty, I imagine it'll be another meme like Chopper's. So maybe around 50-150 berries. Or if she gets a real one, it will be around 30-100 million beries.

[ancient vault]

she wont be a meme lol

[forest rampart]

Interesting. Yea, maybe Killer could defeats Hawkins that way, by using a seastone based weapon.
Kaido and Big Mom have very strong haki that prevented Law from using his power on them. Even if Hawkins somehow managed to get hold of one of them, maybe it'll require a lot of powerful attacks to damage them. So Hawkins would be invincible that way.

[ancient vault]

Why would she be a meme when everyone knows that she was the reason the gifters turned on the bwast pirates

[tired osprey]

given the cp0 watched first hand how she changed the battlefield, id imagine it could be pretty high

they dont know its her yet though i believe

[forest rampart]

yes, they dont know

thus was why i said it might be a meme bounty

[ancient vault]

Queen knows. Drake was on the same floor. They will know

[forest rampart]

If Queen or Drake will tell CP0, then sure

[minor crystal]

what side effects do you think zoro is going to experience after getting the treatment for he's wounds?

[forest rampart]

The idea came from monster point Chopper defeated Kumadori and thrown him to the other side of Enies Lobby. Those marines that saw Kumadori didn't know from where he came from and who did that to him.
If no one could figure out that was Tama's doing to the Gifters, then there's a chance she'll get meme bounty, or no bounty at all. But then Queen knows.

[pure raven]

i think chopper should finally get an actual bounty

[forest rampart]

At Elbaf then maybe. With the epithet of Monster Chopper

[teal nymph]

yo any idea where BM crew is ?

[pure raven]

wano

[teal nymph]

r they still drowning lol

[pure raven]

in new chapter they showed peros

[teal nymph]

at this point luffy who fell into sea is coming back up but there is no sight of big mom crew who like fell into ocean who knows how long ago

[pure raven]

peros was shown in recent chapter and viper attacked him

they’re on the island

well atleast peros is

[teal nymph]

pros has been in Onigashima for a long time like where r the rest ?

[pure raven]

oh, idk then

they could be on wano

[ancient vault]

Yeah they dont but when they know my theory will come true ans she will get a big fat bounty

[chrome zealot]

dude 1022s last page

[little mortar]

Does he really mean it?

Perospero didn't know Big Mom plans to kill Sanji at the wedding?

How much secrets that Big mom would hiding to her children?

[crude umbra]

These brutes = Beast Pirates

If the marriage would have went as planned, they wouldnt have had to come to Wano and join forces with them.

[little mortar]

👀

[ancient vault]

They also wouldve gotten full control over the Nrth blue with the help of germa

[snow herald]

My theory: Devil fruits were created using the 'essence' of certain races, objects, things, etc. Kings race can control fire, they took that race and experimented, making them go almost extinct but created the mera mera and other fire based fruits. Paramecia were created by the actual material, for example, they used rubber to make the gomu gomu no fruit. I think there are races were were able to manipulate other elements but are all extinct. I think one of the ancient weapons has the ability to create the fruits.

[restive kestrel]

Dont feel that

Im pretty sure its confirmed that kaidos devilfruit made it possible for vegapunk to create actual dragons

[vast echo]

Is Big Mom falling in Wano?

[hidden oxide]

Created by whom? I really don't thin DFs were "made"

[vast echo]

thoughts?

[hidden oxide]

I'd say yes. She barely accomplished anything and ended up turning against Kaido's allies

But idk if I'd say she's failing more than any other villain

[vast echo]

Cuz I just saw a very compelling video about how Big Mom is about to betray Kaido, by Mr Morj.
And to be honest I feel like saving her for Elbaf could have its merits.
But I think both Kaido and Big Mom fall in Wano

[hidden oxide]

I just realised I misread your first question as "failing" instead of "falling" lmao sorry

[vast echo]

hahah np

[plucky kiln]

Marie Jois and Joy Boy are siblings

After an incident both have become enemies. Marie Jois aka Imu.sama has found the world gov, and joy boy died. Joy boys family (will of D.)have sworn to defy the celestial dragons. Thats why marie jois has the giant hat. its probably joy boys, since the mermaid princess probably is as big as shirahoshi, and so it could be that joy boy was a giant

its not my theory

but I like it

holyland of marie jois. joi is also Joy in french

[hidden oxide]

I'm not sure about Big Mom, but I don't think Kaido is falling in Wano. My guess is that he'll be forced to flee and we'll go to his "favourite island" to finish him there.

Big Mom could play a part in betraying him and thus finally forcing him to flee.

[vast echo]

When I saw the countdown in the chapter, I got mad Alabasta / Dressrosa vibes

mostly dressrosa

[plucky kiln]

but then wano would be for nothing. it has all build up to now. if kaido flees it would suck. it started in wano and has to end there

[vast echo]

agreed

it has no narrative value for him to flee, plus Kaido is not fleeing based on his personality, he knows joyboy is coming to Wano and he is waiting to fight him

[hidden oxide]

Taking Kaido out of Wano and Orochi out of the Shogun position would be a good ending to the Wano arc imo. I feel like the arc is more about opening Wano and fulfilling Oden's wish than defeating Kaido.

[hidden oxide]

This is a good point tho

[vast echo]

Back in Zou, the objective they set was to take down Kaido

Kaido needs to fall, but then the question becomes whether Big Mom does too

[plucky kiln]

yes

[plucky kiln]

I could see a role for Big Mom in relation to the giants/Elbaf

and I really hope that the Big Mom Pirates will have a role. Katakuri, Pudding and her eye, and the rest of her army

[elfin nimbus]

what if ussop starts using sea stone bullets?

[plucky kiln]

I think sea stone bullets are too expensive

its a rare material, not everyone has access to it

[elfin nimbus]

aint they gonna turn kaido in this arc

[plucky kiln]

but maybe wano has. I think wano still has a lot to offer. maybe there are tools in wano which were used to create the poneglyphs

[elfin nimbus]

or ussop gets ryuo and coats bullets in them

[plucky kiln]

bro

[elfin nimbus]

ussop gets future sight to get even better aim on moving targets

[plucky kiln]

bro

[elfin nimbus]

cause he can just check the future to see where they will go and shoot there

[plucky kiln]

I hope but I dont see any progress in ussops strength. I will see him dieing as a proud warrior in order to save his friends, but he wont get stronger. Like how, there is no time left. the end is near

[vast echo]

ussop will always be the weakest

[elfin nimbus]

ussop is as strong as pre-ts zoro i think

[elfin nimbus]

yes but that doesnt mean he wont get stronger

[plucky kiln]

I have no problem with that, but Ussop isn't even the proud warrior he hoped to be. I remember that he was still scared as fuck in wano, and ran away like a fool. If he goes to elbaf he better becomes a man

I expected more, I dont want him to be strong, but to have guts, but after all this time, it seem like nothing changed
I wonder what oda plans for him

[night lava]

Its obvious that he'll run tho

1st, thats his literal character
2nd, hes a sniper

[plucky kiln]

but his dream was to become a brave warrior. what brave warrior think about leaving their friends when he is scared.
ussop doesnt deserve elbaf yet

[night lava]

But then again, thats his literal character

[plucky kiln]

I know, but why doesn't he have any development. He became stronger, but he didnt reach his goal

[elfin nimbus]

Ussop gets a new Sniper weapon that someone legendary in wano used long ago

[night lava]

He'll prob have his shine

[plucky kiln]

wow

like I said its not about strength. ussop doesnt need to become stronger

[night lava]

He'll prob achieve his goal near the end of OP

I dont think wano and the yonkos relate to him enough for him to have a big development like achieving his goal

[plucky kiln]

well we are almost there. next stop probably will be elbaf, thats what makes most sense to me. although since elbaf would mean that ussop arrived at his dream I think elbaf can come later. idk

[night lava]

Or maybe him going to elbaf is what will make him the proud warrior he always sought to be

[plucky kiln]

well wano still is going on. I really hope that oda puts some nice stuff

[night lava]

Yeah, the currenr chapter is fire

Kinda sucks how luffy took like 2 or 3 chapters to recover

[plucky kiln]

I think its fine

but I would have prefered a Luffy and Zorro vs Kaido rather than what happens in the manga

Zorro has the same reason to kill kaido, and he is the only one who would kill kaido. I dont think we will see luffy killing anyone right now

[night lava]

Hmmm

[plucky kiln]

marco is just

where are the other whitebeard pirates

they probably will come back to support luffy. its what whitebeard told them

[maiden monolith]

most of them were beaten by Weeble I think

[plucky kiln]

weevil actually defeated one of the whitebeard pirates ?
I dont think so. whitebeard commanders are still powerful as fuck. I need more of jozu and vista

[pine delta]

theyll be back for the war

its one thing to say "get luffy out of this dangerous situation" and another to say "help this stranger in 2 years launch a raid on kaido and big mom simultaneously"

[shadow pike]

Was it ever confirmed who was in the room with the scabbards healing them?

[nimble hinge]

Always the covered left eye. That's the side eyepatch character will be missing as well, I bet

[pine delta]

Yeah, it was Buggy

[forest rampart]

Say. Even if Zoro kills Kaido, Luffy will still get the highest bounty right? I imagine they're both will be responsible for killing Kaido. But lets stick to my first question before one asks further about it..

[pine delta]

zoro will not kill kaido lmfao

the only person who is even remotely possible to land the final blow on kaido other than luffy is momo

[shadow pike]

i dont think zolo will be the one to kill him, it will either be ruffy or kirra

*kirrel

[heady parrot]

I don’t see Kaido dying and that’s why Zoro is no longer on the roof. Luffy will destroy Kaido’s will and dream like he does almost all of his opponents. And he’ll leave him alive like he does most of his opponents. It wouldn’t be right to give Kaido the “honorable” death he wants and nobody understands that better than Luffy.

[forest rampart]

Nah, Kaido will die. Anyway I think that Luffy will still have the highest bounty in the crew since iirc it was stated somewhere that captain will always has the highest bounty.

[ancient vault]

ZKK believe4s

[ancient vault]

he defeated all 16 allied captains with ease

[pure raven]

Bro how did people predict that king is from some obscure race

[weary cliff]

BM told us that

[pure raven]

really?👀

[modest skiff]

I am so glad they finally mentioned a race that lives on the red line. I was recently looking at the world map and thinking "how in the world does no one live there? Its absolutely gigantic and just tons of land"

[shadow pike]

Do you guys think that weevil is actually whitebeard's son? or is the mom lying

[weary cliff]

I'm on the theory that he's an artificial being

[sturdy hound]

Marco said that now that wb is dead, they are no longer bound. by his word and are free to do as they wish

And bm replied with “dead men tell o tales, huh” to further confirm that

So if they come it’s gonna be out of their own will

[pure raven]

It was also mentioned to the fact that wb had restricted his crew from attacking bm

[sturdy hound]

I high I highly doubt them coming btw. Especially at this stage in the raid

[sturdy hound]

Idr that, got the panel?

[gusty needle]

They may come as a means of protecting those in the alliance post battle. Even if the raid is successful, BMs crew will be able to pick everyone off post battle. Similarly, CPO could be a threat once everything is said and done. The SH will need someone to show up.

[pure raven]

Sorry my bad
This is the panel it was my own interpretation that wb had given them order to not fight bm or else what could be chaining them

[modest skiff]

I don't take that from this panel at all

[pure raven]

I did say that was my own interpretation as mentioned that his voice is not binding (must be smth previously ordered by wb also in the next panel we see marco mention that he knows what kinda danger bm posess)

[modest skiff]

Right, just commenting with my own interpretation

[pure raven]

Maybe we could possibly see smth big from bm (othe then her name.) in upcoming chap‽

[bitter kraken]

Hawkins is a whole ass bitch

[sand sail]

@bitter kraken This channel isn't really for casual conversation like that, you should use one of the other manga channels for it

[bitter kraken]

Okay gotcha