manga-theories

[cedar sinew]

awakenings have never been portrayed in that light

[tight stump]

True

[ancient vault]

@dusk sand I like the idea but stoopid is right. You wrote to much around it for a conclusion that short
The entire text feels more like an analysis rather than a theory and the conclusion of dragon blooming based on the dragon abilities of the revos is to weak. Its a nice connection and I like the idea of it not being haki but again. You wander off a bit and arent specific enough which still leaves me a bit clueless as to how that ability is supposed to look and work.
(Tip: use panels/pics fot next time, makes the text a lot more enjoyable to read)

[modest skiff]

@dusk sand to expand on what swrml said, one exercise that is important when you are "actually writing" something is to re-read it and remove any words that you think can be removed with the meaning of the sentence still being clear. In general going through this process will also make you write more concisely in the future. Same can be done with sentences. If you read a sentence and you think you still make your point without it, delete it. Same effect. Not to say posting on Discord is the same as technical writing, but just in case this is helpful for you, thought I'd chime in.

[fleet echo]

so... I saw Ohara's latest and this is mindblowing. Japanese theories seems like having an extra deep layer https://youtu.be/qYzqDJBeI9Q

[modest skiff]

Here's why I think the theory is not great @fleet echo

[waxen dust]

everyone keeps reposting this Ohara video

[fleet echo]

Do they?

[modest skiff]

yes unfortunately

[waxen dust]

All day bro

[fleet echo]

Okay, sorry people

[modest skiff]

No worries, I generally try to search for links before posting to see if it has already been discussed

[waxen dust]

no worries, you didn’t know. It’s definitely a good theory, but I’ve heard better

[fleet echo]

for me it's amazing because of how many theories go unnoticed because of the OG language wordplay

[modest skiff]

yeah its kind of funny how some of the most obvious/big things are in japanese and we have no idea. Oda is good at making people feel like they understand what is going on and feeling like they can predict things.

[waxen dust]

Wordplay is definitely one of Oda’s most favorite ways to keep stuff hidden.

I made mention a few times how there’s a connection to the islands of Laugh Tale and Lodestar because of the word play.
Raftel/Laugh Tale,
Lodestar/Road Star,
Road Poneglyph/Lode Poneglyph
People want to say it’s mistranslations or just coincidental, but almost all of Oda’s word plays are with reasonable intentions

[fleet echo]

zolo lolonoa*

[weary cliff]

You have my interest but I don't know if I'm catching your meaning. Especially about Lodestar sounding like road star and how that connects to anything aside from road poneglyphs

[waxen dust]

Well Lodestar was mistaken all this time as Raftel until we reached Zou. So Oda obviously intended to make some sort of connection between the two islands and they are the only islands who’s names have been altered with the L and R. And Lodestar seems to have something important to uncover besides the revelation of poneglyphs, thus why Crocus and Inu exclaimed to keep following the log pose to the end.

[modest skiff]

star...sun...hmmm

[weary cliff]

Did Lodestar get the Laugh Tale treatment in terms of the official name changing? I never read the viz for early chapters. I can easily see ロドス夕－ just being mistaken by translators taking that 50/50 gamble. Especially since from the start we knew it was where the logposes were pointing. Having the connection both to navigation and magnestism makes it obvious to call it "Lodestar". The meaning was right there on the table, even if was slightly uncommon knowledge what the term meant. Unlike Raftel, which was intentionally vague and could have well been an original name until it was clarified

I just checked the wiki, apparently the island has a kanji name, not just katakana. And the kanji make it clear that it means guiding star island, so it definitely was always "Lodestar"

[modest skiff]

Guiding star supports the basic notion that it is a map/directions rather than an end result

[waxen dust]

Regardless the name change isn’t the important part, but more so the connection to how many people mistaken it as Raftel. Then Crocus who went to final island said definitely go here, then later Inu who was unsure took Crocus words and reaffirmed his statement of visiting Lodestar. Also the Road Poneglyph could actually be Lode Poneglyph since they are like lodes guiding people to Laugh Tale.

Oda loves wordplay, definitely wouldn’t be surprised if we get more swerves later on

[weary cliff]

Yeah, I could buy "lode" poneglyphs. As far as we understand their function, it makes more sense than "road". Curious if the official translation is being misleading about that for some reason

[modest skiff]

why does lode make more sense? maybe something i don't know about the word lode lol

[fleet echo]

Iod ?

like, the mineral thing ?

[warm narwhal]

If she has COC, she’s not joining.

if she’s adopted and doesn’t have COC, she has a good chance of joining

[pure raven]

finally i have it... the Gomu Gomu no mi... the final piece of my plan

[fleet echo]

Roger"Oh no, I got Cancer, quick I need to make a child with the nearest woman"

Rouge: "Hi"

[pure raven]

bruh i don't think cancer was the reason

[rain ledge]

is the chapter out?

1020

[oak mural]

22 hours

[weary cliff]

Just because lodestones point the way to something. It doesn't work perfectly, they are magnetic. But "road" is also sort of strange lol

[hallow pagoda]

Have any of you guys checked out this theory vid? https://youtu.be/qYzqDJBeI9Q

[weary cliff]

It gets posted once every few hours. I like some of the sun and moon stuff

[hallow pagoda]

Oh LMAO my bad then. And same, it’s the only theory I’m really interested in rn

[dusk sand]

Glad someone critiqued it lol. I've never done anything like this before so I actually genuinely appreciate it and shall improve in the future.

[dusk sand]

The conclusion should've had more evidence yeah. I see now it sort of gets there half-assed. And yeah, next time I'll actually use pictures

[dull pumice]

I just read tldr but regarding Sabos dragon claw, from what I understood it's based on advanced armament

[dusk sand]

It was something like Robin's own version of Dragon Claw that doesn't make it look as silly or like Sabo's

[radiant quarry]

this is very baseless but my theory is shanks awakened conquerors during the god valley fight

it was probably similar to how luffy did it in marineford but instead of ace it was buggy

[dusk sand]

Isn't Shanks too young to be involved in that fight?

[radiant quarry]

it could've been a situation where all the strong people like big mom kaido roger and those people went into like a seperate area and the rest of there crews like the henchmen fought somewhere else

[wary rapids]

Shanks was 1 year old during god valley, doubt he unlocked anything

[radiant quarry]

was he

[velvet edge]

Yea shanks was 1 year old. Rocks pirates were around ~40 years ago and shanks is 39

[heavy nexus]

I thought the first half of oharas video was spot on, but the stuff with ennies lobby may have been a stretch

the moon people have to play a bigger role in the story as well

I also saw a screenshot where Imu had cut luffys and shirahoshis left eye but blackbeards right eye. Which was interesting

[modest skiff]

My perspective on the O’Hara video was that it was a lot of great evidence gathering but the analysis was simply off

I think the conclusions weren’t great but the themes presented are solid

[heavy nexus]

yeah i agree with that. The word play and stuff he brought up was amazing. But the way he went with it seems kinda off

especially the DENIES lobby. Ennies lobby may have a role but i doubt that much

[modest skiff]

The thing that was most outrageous to me was the “what if 2 D is a moon”

[heavy nexus]

nah its the DONE PIECE part. like ????? LOL

[modest skiff]

I think the 2 moons thing was a hint and that eventually we will see some sort of painting or literature that shows the planet used to have 2 moons

[pure raven]

I JUST SAW THIS OHMAGAH

This is insane. But I wonder where they’ll put Zunisha there. What does elephants have to do with the sun and the moon?

Also I think it hints to Alabasta’s weapon being Water Based. The war over the rain, the knock-up stream, Laugh Tale being “drowned” or “below the ocean”. Maybe it’s the Logia Misu Misu no Mi

Alabasta is actually quite close to Reverse Mountain and the water actually goes up there. Laboon trying to destroy the Red Line and Marijoe being upon Fishman Island. Poseidon controlling living, giant creatures of the sea. I think every Ancient Weapon is related to the ocean somehow.

[waxen dust]

This is a very interesting read, Jayabaya is also referred to as Joyoboyo. And he made a prophecy in Indonesia that exclaims the kingdom of Javanese would be overtaken by three separate parties; The Dutch, The Japanese, and then finally a King in which the Japanese had awaited for.

https://www.ancient-origins.net/artifacts-ancient-writings/jayabaya-seer-king-java-who-predicted-dutch-and-japanese-occupation-020803

[pure raven]

Who would the Dutch be though?

[waxen dust]

The World Government

The Gorosei are white men, besides the samurai I guess

[pure raven]

Ohh. So Im is the king, the Gorosei are the Dutch and the Japanese are… Wano?

It could be a parallel again. Jaya being overtaken by Im, only to be overtaken again by the King… of the pirates

[waxen dust]

No, Luffy is the King
Jayabaya’s prophecy states that after the Japanese overtake the kingdom from the Dutch, they awaited for the arrival of a True King.
Sounds familiar?

[pure raven]

We don’t know if Wano was good in the past, maybe that’s why Toki fled

[waxen dust]

Wano was definitely good, the Kozuki ran it peacefully all this time. Toki time traveling may have something to do with actually seeing events play out based on prophecy.

[pure raven]

I can’t wait to see what the ponegliphs in Wano say

[cold sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ci1Wq2hby8&t=30s this one is a good theroy too

[modest skiff]

This is why I started reading about the Indian Gum Tree, because if my tin-foil hat isn't latched on too tight, I want clues as to what Luffy's fruit might do LOL. Not by proudest tinfoil hat, but the joyoboyo stuff is just too much for me not to squint at.

One thing that is worth remembering is that Zeus and Prometheus, despite being major characters in mythology, are not remotely "accurate" in One Piece. Oda gives no fucks about totally just borrowing a name and keeping some stuff and not others. We will simply never be able to make determinations based on existing mythology. Only guesses. But guesses are still fun 🙂

[warm hollow]

Yeah unfortunately

Now I'm here feeling like I got spoiled

[modest skiff]

If you feel like "done piece" and "2 D is a moon" is a spoiler, I dunno man. How dare you say that about Oda LOL

[sturdy hawk]

Yea the adding D to names was pretty random

But i like the overall theory

[modest skiff]

He’s an entertainer and makes his money entertaining people. There is no shame in what he is doing and I hope he is successful, but it doesn’t mean the theories make sense

[amber oar]

I mean, isn't randomly adding D to names what the funni comedians of the server do?

[waxen dust]

The Funni community are actually run by Oda and his Editors, who are secretly hinting the correct One Piece theories

[amber oar]

so, Buggy D. Clown is canon

[wraith kindle]

The D parts of it were mostly an afterthought. The meat of the video was very interesting and straight up plausible

[ancient vault]

jugol back at it again, shooting against yters

[amber oar]

this time unintended

[kind flicker]

Lyffy D. Monkey

Mr.Beast D. Kaido

Pants D. Franky

[modest skiff]

So long as youtubers are incentivized to make unique connections, they will be incentivized to make poor connections.

[void pecan]

i wander if luffy would wear that big hat if he saw it

[polar bison]

One thing that is worth remembering is that Zeus and Prometheus, despite being major characters in mythology, are not remotely "accurate" in One Piece

zeus is a lightning/storm god, and in OP is an incarnation of lightning. Prometheus is a god most famous for giving fire to humanity, and in OP is an incarnation of fire. definitely fits.

[ember trench]

The theory is fun but if we are being honest it’s not going to be even close to what laugh tale is lol

I like the left eye of Jaya stuff but the Enies Lobby thing especially I can’t buy at all

[polar bison]

so i think to say that u can't make determinations on OP using mythology isn't right, because it's not like Oda is just lifting this shit without any appreciation for its background, he's just incorporating it in a unique way so he's not,,, plagiarizing,,

[waxen dust]

Oda likes to mix and mesh elements from more than one mythology and cultural background

[polar bison]

tbh as a rule i don't watch EoS OP theories. i think they specifically detract from the magic of learning it naturally in the story

[ancient vault]

Land of Gold could also stand for a wealthy land right? In the sense of rich in nature and beauty not necessarily literal gold

[modest skiff]

So long as we have Prometheus and Zeus, we will never be able to guarantee anything based on mythology

[ember trench]

Prometheus and Zeus are just names

[modest skiff]

But I do agree that is is good for hints

[polar bison]

weird twisted logic but u do u

[modest skiff]

Think we're just thinking of different scenarios and not really discussing the same thing. I'm talking about stuff like people outlining the entire story of Loki based on existing Loki mythology. Not great. But people showing themes throughout this and that story and explaining how it may end up similar based on this and that is of course totally appropriate. I'm kind of arguing against fringe cases, tbh. What I find myself frustrated by is very rare and a small % of theories. I'm not trying to say we should ignore everything

[waxen dust]

Usopp vs Loki happening
Liar vs Deceiver

[heavy nexus]

Man i love OP so much. Only series I know to get so many outlandish theories and all of them making somewhat sense to the plot . Can legit read theories for days on end

[modest skiff]

If he doesn't respect women (apparently), perhaps a fight for Sanji

[waxen dust]

nah, has to be Usopp especially since Elbaf is his arc and Loki is the prince. What better way to become a hero of Elbaf than defeating the *presumed Evil prince?

[fair crag]

I actually think that we will not have enemy on elbaf, its only going to be fight to show honor, warrior pride something like that, to show elbaf warriors they are worthy

[modest skiff]

Yeah I can dig that. I just assumed Loki will fall in love with Nami and she would need to be rescued or defended at some point. But there's no reason Usopp can't be the one to be the hero

[waxen dust]

Nami’s role in Elbaf actually may tie closer to Big Mom and Luffy since she’s got Zeus. Also potentially her story may get tied to Shanks somehow maybe, especially since Oda initially made Nami look like a viking and wield the giant axe, plus she’s got the red hair of a viking woman.

[pure raven]

Not my theories

[waxen dust]

tik tok theories should receive an automatic ban

[pure raven]

Ayee chill

[ancient vault]

lmao no doffy was just the boss of the underworld and supplied them with stuff

[ancient vault]

wb got hit by squardo because wb pulled up to marineford half dead and hes old af

[pure raven]

How I get that tf

[ancient vault]

he literally got random heart attacks in the middle of the war

[waxen dust]

sorry but that had to been one of the worse theories, I actually needed a moment to regain my mentality.

[ancient vault]

well its a twitter theoy

[pure raven]

Not my theory

[waxen dust]

hence why those types of accounts get an automatic block

[waxen dust]

Yea I know, but damn ballsy move to share that.

[velvet yoke]

Noland was searching GOLD, Roger was searching NO LAND …

[weary cliff]

WB ate Squard's attack to set him straight. He didn't need to dodge, he was prepared to die at MF

[polar bison]

doffy isn’t the underworld boss, right? he’s just the biggest broker

[marsh willow]

bro

[faint flame]

I guess I know now that Robin isn’t getting a power up in 1020

Delicious semi-spoilers

[shell kettle]

i got Oda on speed dial here he said nami is getting to goro goro no mi

[waxen dust]

Lmao I thought the same thing

[pure raven]

When will my boy ussop get his power up

[acoustic python]

Should reread one piece

I currently reading punpun

After punpun

[vivid cargo]

https://youtu.be/qYzqDJBeI9Q
This theory of how laugh tale is actually below ennies lobby and a part of jaya makes so much sense

It sounds stupid but with all the evidence it makes sense

[modest skiff]

@waxen dust I think we need to just give up

Just come back to this channel in like a week

[waxen dust]

Ok, so I actually read this whole thing, and for the most part it’s like everyone else has mentioned: The analytics of her character’s development in this fight is very well structured, you’re right she’s free from her shackles and can just do her own thing full blown because of her developed faith in the Straw Hats, she’s one of them now.

As far as the actual power up goes, I like it, but I don’t know if this is realistic right now. Robin is not a fighter, she’s an archaeologist. Her purpose with the Revolutionary Army is likely more tied to gaining world knowledge than fighting skills. Similar to Franky her power up is just gonna be showcasing her current abilities. MAYBE later on she can use a Dragon Claw or abilities taught from Koala and possibly awakening & haki.

Unless we get some flashback like Luffy/Rayleigh with Robin & Koala/Sabo, then this will happen. But after seeing Franky’s fight & Jinbe’s fight, Oda is gonna start letting the Straw Hats win with their current abilities BEFORE upgrading, that also explains why Usopp stuck with Nami & Brook is now staying with Robin. I think it’s even more satisfying for Robin to win as she is now then requiring a power up, at least later on it’ll be more hype for power ups.

[brazen kelp]

my question about the video is, whats going to happen when they make it back to enies lobby?
is there going to be a war between the straw hat grand fleet and the navy like marineford but without the you know
and im pretty sure if that were to happen, blackbeard would most likely get involved and try to kill luffy and the rest of the crew

blackbeard will most likely destroy the government with the powers that he has now and have the blackbeard pirates vs the strawhats. almost like a roger vs shiki type thing

[waxen dust]

Lmao, last week is TotallyNotMark’s theory, this week it’s Ohara’s video. Although some of it definitely makes sense in regards to Jaya because Joyoboyo, but it’s a good theory just not the greatest theory.

[acoustic python]

Bro what should read one piece after done punpun

[dusk sand]

Yeah it mostly stems from each of the Straw Hats have gotten powerups that suit their needs and are reflective of their journey throughout the story. Plus I find it a little strange how little we know of Robin did with Dragin, Sabo, and the rest of the Revolutionary army. Then again, it most likely won't happen anyway.

[brazen kelp]

and does anyone else besides me think that when they realize the one piece is in enies lobby that all the yonkos and warlords will fight against the government and not just luffy and his grand fleet

[pure raven]

:"/ who will remain a yonko by that time?

[waxen dust]

It’s possible, but I think she would get an ability from Koala more than Sabo, since she’s more closer to her. All it would take is at least a few panels of flashback to make it happen. Just right now it seems better tot her winning with her current powers, since she’s never used them post timeskip in a 1v1 fight

[brazen kelp]

well, i think Luffy, Katakuri, Blackbeard, and, Marco

[pure raven]

Anyone else has a view on morjs theory of the red line blowing up stuff?

[brazen kelp]

i saw that video but the ohara one makes more sense in my opinion

[pure raven]

That theory was good too kinda agree with him in some points like baboon and the all blue stuff

[dusk sand]

Agreed and I forgot about Koala lmao

[pure raven]

That ain't happening ;-; i see no clues of bigmom and kaido dying

[waxen dust]

Yeah Koala is the key to your theory more than Sabo, maybe Robin learned how to combine Fishmen Karate with her Devil Fruit since that’s her speciality (Koala). Dragon Claw seems something very hard to do and requires a high skill level.

[pure raven]

Ohara one makes sense too what if ennies lobby is one piece of the ancient kindom but not the treasur/ info/ whatever roger was talking about?

[modest skiff]

I think a rev guard power up in the form of some kinda spy technique would make sense. But she was already very good in that way.

[dusk sand]

When Sabo uses Dragon Claw, does he use it with CoA?

[waxen dust]

iirc I believe so, double check.

[pure raven]

They found laughtale afterall and didn't visited the ennies lobby?

[waxen dust]

Yea that’s similar to what I said, Robin going to Revs for world knowledge and possibly espionage skills makes more sense than combatant training.

[brazen kelp]

kaido will most likely get taken down after wano which then the strawhats have to deal with big mom and with their grandfleet helping them in that type of situation i dont think it will be that hard

[brazen kelp]

they have people from elbath which are know as the strongest crew ever assembeld besides the rocks pirates

[dusk sand]

That's a hole in my theory then as Robin doesn't know CoA lol

[pure raven]

Bigmom has her crew here and the grand fleet idk man if they're gonna show up or not its kinda early (storywise)

[brazen kelp]

yeah but it is noted that luffy will get a gear 5th most likely during wano, so i think that will be a big factor in deciding who wins it

[waxen dust]

Yea that’s why mirroring Robin to Koala is better, Sabo is too strong for Robin to replicate.

[brazen kelp]

because in that case luffy will probably be able to beat katakuri with ease because he already has future sight and with a addition of gear 5th

[pure raven]

:") i personally don't want him to have gear 5 now cz by the end of the series if he goes like this he'll have gear 7/8 its kinda sloppy

[dusk sand]

You know I'm going to be honest, most of the theory came from the name alone because dragon blooming sounds so fucking cool to me and also it was supposed to not have anything to do with CoA or awakening

[pure raven]

I want him to get gear 5 ( if he gets it)
Vs shanks or bb it'll be great
And for now he needs to build up his haki more

[brazen kelp]

yeah his haki will need to be more improved, i think that shanks will help luffy beat blackbeard bc shanks has a scar from blackbeard so i think he still holds a grudge for that

[pure raven]

Shanks gonna play a huge role and we all know it so lets wait what he does still got the marijoa and alabasta incident on hands

Hey about the theory of ohara... He said something about the two halfs of the moon becoming one and two will of D makes the moon whole
What if bb and luffy are those two D

Like roger and garp/rocks were

[brazen kelp]

that makes so much sense to me because there is always a light and dark side to the moon

[pure raven]

Half of the darkness and other half of the sun

[pure raven]

Yes and the yami yami no mi + teach not sleeping in the night fact comes in too

[brazen kelp]

and both of them serve 2 completly different purposes luffy wants to be good while bb wants to terrorize places

[pure raven]

While having same dreams and hopes
Ambition and luck

[waxen dust]

Yeah I definitely understood why you called it that, but just keep in mind with theorizing it has to make sense in two ways:

1. There’s an actual tangible connection to be made that includes setting and standards.

2. Can the character actually do whatever you think is possible? Like are they a fighter or more of a support?, have they demonstrated similar feats beforehand? , does the situation make sense for the character to receive such a power up?.

Having such a power up for a character who’s not a skilled fighter seems very lackluster (asspull), unless the situation is that dire and plot armor kicks in for sake of allowing such a power up. That’s how it can be written well without criticism

[brazen kelp]

exactly

[pure raven]

Ace's death will play another big role here ;-; man.... I want all these answers but i don't want one piece to finish yet ;-; damn

[dusk sand]

Gotcha, yeah I hope to back up future theories a lot better. This was my first one so I appreciate the critiicism.

[brazen kelp]

same. ace's death was basically what set in motion what has happened so far

[pure raven]

;-; these theories are good but we don't know what oda is planning to do lets wait until he gives the final touch

[waxen dust]

Yeah it was actually very good and fun to read, especially the analysis part.

Next time when writing break it down a bit more, like structure wise it’s better to have it organized with more paragraphs that way it’s not as overwhelming.

Spacing it out more makes it much easier to read and follow. Plus it’s more attractive to the eyes than a blob of words crammed. You’ll see a big difference when reviewing it

[dusk sand]

Yeah everyone was saying that I need some breaks in between and formatting will do in the future

[safe harness]

O'Hara had a good one piece theory

[icy sapphire]

i believe

under enies lobby is ancient kingdom or somewhat of the remains

[runic osprey]

I think the next arc will answer a lot of questions about the mysteries of the world government and mariejois

[quaint relic]

My theory on why ZORO has CoCting part 2

And used it on Kaido

Okay so let's start with Enma

Zoro can withstand the incredibly powerful sword called Enma that has been said to be suck a lot of Its user's haki

[river tinsel]

bro

my eyes have been opened

[quaint relic]

I'm not finished

[river tinsel]

i finally watched that theory video everyone been talkin bout

hooooly shit what a theory

[quaint relic]

Everytime Zoro uses an advanced armament attack with Enma, you can always see a powerful fiery greyish aura surrounding him and his sword.

Due to Enma using a lot of his Haki

But, let's look at the attack he used on Kaido that managed to PERMANENTLY wound him

And how it was set up

Look at Enma. There's a fiery WHITE aura surrounding it while Zoro was using armament. There's even a menacing effect

Is it the same as black trailing that's been consistently shown throughout One Piece whenever a CoCting user uses CoCting based attacks ? No. But it looks pretty damn similar in a way

And when he used Ashura, Kaido touched his wound and looked frightened at Zoro and asked him if he could use Conqueror's Haki too.

And we see aura trails literally INVADING kaido's body

When Zoro finally managed to cut him

Kaido even touched his wound and started trembling

Zoro even said that it was his best attack putting everything he could on his blades. Enma being a sword that pulls out a lot of it's users haki could have pulled out Zoro's dormant CoC and infuse it with itself but that's just another side theory

[modest skiff]

I think Zoro's 9 sword style does warrant at least a little bit of "well wait a sec" when it comes to CoC and whatnot. When he first used it, I assumed it was a bit of a preview of some type of power he didn't know he had yet. I wondered if he really was willing some sort of presence into his attacks and actually creating 9 swords out of 3. I think its possible CoC can be used in a reality-augmenting way that would explain Ashura

[sinful vapor]

What video?

[steep vigil]

possibly, instead of coby vs luffy, itll be usopp vs coby (if oda doesnt buff coby to luffy)

[quaint relic]

Zoro is just a god

[deep palm]

damn this theory was soo good

[elfin ermine]

Yo how is everyone feeling about oharas newest video….

[modest skiff]

Some people say its great and some people say its not great

[gloomy canyon]

I think there's a lot of reaches in that video namely when it got to the Enies Lobby part of it

But he brought up some cool ideas about Oda's word and number play but as a non-japanese reader I find it very hard to really get on board with stuff like that because I'm so detached from it

[elfin ermine]

Yeah there are some reaches but damn was it convincing. I don’t even want it to be true just to make sure I don’t know the truth until I read it first

[dusky acorn]

I'm in the midst of watching the video right now. This is the first time I've heard Noland be theorised to have the voice of all things, lol

He really was the only one to hear the bell while it was in the distance?

Definitely doesn't confirm if he had it at all. In fact, I don't think heightening one's hearing to normal sounds is the main takeaway that VOAT is supposed to do. It's about hearing things you normally wouldn't be able to at all. (poneglyphs) Not the chime of a bell, but it's interesting to think about I guess

This is a bit of a nitpick on my park, but the eye of the skull in Jaya isn't the only part of the island that's taken out if he's trying to push the 'one piece' thing. The 'teeth' of the skull island has a gap in it as well https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/0/06/Jaya_Before_Knock-Up_Stream.png/revision/latest?cb=20130413192241

[pure raven]

that video is reaching in the enies lobby part, i'm sold on the missing part of skypia being of some relevance but it being under enies lobby seems like a big stretch, he also quoted a lot of japanese words that have double meanings in his theory, could find those double meanings with just about every word in the language

[modest skiff]

Agree with this. There is certainly missing land and we don't have a good mechanism for where it went. This is why I'm always screaming about Pluton or something else allowing for islands to be tossed in the sky intentionally as a defensive thing. I still think some islands tossed themselves in the sky to get away from all the CD bullshit

[dusky acorn]

That specific piece of Jaya getting pushed downwards and plummeting in the ocean is one thing. But like, the main explanation we need from all this is how exactly would it have managed to cover that distance alll the way to Enies Lobby

[modest skiff]

And what about skypea and all the other stuff up there? What about the warp speed lobsters? Who built that freeway? I think there's a lot of indications there was at one point an effort to essentially colonize and protect the sky

[ember trench]

Don’t think the ancient kingdom has anything to do with the sky

[modest skiff]

Whether they did or not, I don't think Oda included that giant infrastructure and whatnot as a silly detail. Someone did all that

[waxen dust]

What do you mean by this, like it’s not physically in the sky or the AK itself has no connection to the sky whatsoever

[unborn tinsel]

why do i think that shanks will be in raftao; waiting for bb and defending it for the true person who is worthy of the one piece but sadly shanks dies

[ember trench]

No connection to the sky whatsoever

[waxen dust]

Then how do you explain what Enel saw on the moon?

[ember trench]

I don’t think the ancient kingdom had its hands in every single pie

[modest skiff]

Do you have an estimation as to how all the islands and stuff got up there?

[ember trench]

What about it? That didn’t have anything to do with the ancient kingdom...

[waxen dust]

In reference to what?

[ember trench]

Somehow the sky races of Birkan and Skypiean discovered island clouds and constructed islands of them atop the White White Sea

[ember trench]

The ancient ruins of a civilization the sky races once inhabited

Or the islands were already constructed of those clouds and they just chose to inhabit them

[modest skiff]

That's fair, so you're essentially saying there was simply always a sky area with sky islands and stuff and they simply colonized it in parallel to the people colonizing the surface?

[ember trench]

Yeah the process that created the White Sea and solid island clouds is a natural one

They go over it when the straw hats arrive on Angel Island

[modest skiff]

Hmmm, I may want to review that then. That doesn't feel like what I remember, but I won't pretend I have evidence to the contrary

My memory tells me there was some vague language used and we didn't have a reason to think any of the explanations were full or complete

[ember trench]

There is a substance called Pyrobloins that is shot up into the air from volcanic eruptions and makes the clouds all spoopy

[modest skiff]

I'll go digging around the arc and see if i can find that

[waxen dust]

Ah yes I can confirm that

Pyrobloins is used for Sky Island

[modest skiff]

I remember the volcanic stuff now that you mention that, but I guess I walked away from that thinking it was an incomplete explanation

Like they maybe had stuff passed down wrong etc, maybe something else created all of that, etc, I just remember squinting my eyes and saying "I don't think I buy that"

[ember trench]

As for the lost moon civilization, it’s just where the sky races lived before they departed for earth due to a lack of resources. The only connection it has to the ancient kingdom would be the Shandorans who were at least allies of it.

And they built their civilization on Jaya, not a sky island

[waxen dust]

Hmm, I agree with somewhat because we have Kozuki and all the other moon deity surnames residing in Wano.

[modest skiff]

hmmm, yeah, it makes some sense, still feels a bit incomplete. I think what you're saying is probably bits and pieces true but it feels like there's a lot more going on, similar to what BrotherE is describing

One thing that I do agree with is the basic notion that at some point, someone colonized the planet and people probably hated that

[ember trench]

Ugh

[modest skiff]

what

[waxen dust]

I definitely think their became a time where the Sky people inevitably become isolated from the blue sea, but they’ve had to first landed on the Earth like soil during the time of the Ancient Kingdom’s existence. There’s too many nuances suggesting connection with the moon civilization similarly with the influence of the sun.

[modest skiff]

I agree that there was once a much more united time. Somewhere along the way, a lot of different nations essentially isolated themselves in various ways. Details unclear

[ember trench]

I think people give the moon far more importance than it actually warrants. There isn’t really anything connecting the ancient kingdom to the moon aside from it being a symbol for the Kozuki clan and Shandora. I also don’t really think there was ever a time when all the races of the world were united or at peace with one another. We know during the events of the void centruy and before it that the dwarves experienced a time of slavery under the Donquixote family, that Joyboy failed to fulfill some promise to the Fishmen that would lead them to the surface, etc. The promised time where there can be harmony among them is something that is yet to come.

[waxen dust]

Yea exactly, for everyone is the sky to never in history have any association with the Blue sea and/or the AK is kind of bonkers. We should assume by EOS everyone will be united as “One Piece”, similarly replicating a time in history where everyone came together under the Ancient Kingdom.

[modest skiff]

yeah not saying entirely united, just saying there were clearly some nations that said "alright, fuck this shit, I'm outta here" and isolated themselves

[ember trench]

Honestly I think the world was actually worse before the ancient kingdom and the twenty kingdoms/world government. Much more isolated than it is now.

[waxen dust]

What makes you come to that conclusion?

[ember trench]

Nowadays the world is probably much more connected than it has ever been

[modest skiff]

unclear. But I have certainly entertained the idea that once upon a time, the CDs were the good guys and they became bad guys over the course of 800 years. But I also think maybe they really were dirt bags since forever

[ember trench]

the world government exists

It connects peoples and nations under one banner from all across the world

There is a global police force and judicial system

[modest skiff]

I think the only indication of this is the empty throne. It isn't clear who sat on that throne before and why everyone hated them

[ember trench]

The empty throne is something the Twenty Kingdoms/Government came up with

[waxen dust]

Yeah but for the purpose of suppressing them. Imu’s very existence supports that idea of no true freedom and like in a sense “Big Brother”

[ember trench]

It’s a false symbol of unity and equality for the world and its nations that make up the body of the government

No, the purpose isn’t suppressing them. Why wokld they want to do that? The purpose is balance and power.

[modest skiff]

Well right but you get the idea, someone used to be king, let’s not have kings anymore etc

[ember trench]

No, I highly doubt there was a king of the world before the twenty kingdoms

[waxen dust]

I mean I am pretty sure balance and check doesn’t include a “cleansing”

[ember trench]

I am pretty sure it does

The only reason they are considering a cleansing is because they can’t maintain their balance

[modest skiff]

Archer is like “Nono, the totalitarianism is for the good of the common man!” (Just teasing lol)

[waxen dust]

then that’s not democracy, it’s more so the WG is suppressing the idealistics of all the nations for the sake of their own gain

[ember trench]

I did not say it was a good thing. It’s just that the world is more connected under it than it has ever been before. Can’t get much more connected than a global empire.

I never said anything about democracy either lol

[waxen dust]

Then they aren’t truly connected, if anything they are all far off from reality because none of them know the actual truth of the world and living a lie.

[ember trench]

... but they are connected. The individual kingdoms and island communities under the world government can all come together and have a voice in the politics of the wider world. You have a global police force and military. You have international laws and judicial services. Just because they don’t know the dirty little secrets of the men in suits up top doesn’t mean they aren’t connected.

[modest skiff]

I suppose within the context of being a group of people that can be kidnapped to be slaves on a whim, yeah they are united. I suppose where I am coming from, so long as someone sits above you, you aren't united as your true self. You are united as something lesser

[ember trench]

Yeah but that’s an entirely separate issue lol

[modest skiff]

So I mean if we focus only on the definition of what it means for something to be united, yeah, its more united, but I think you know that isn't what we were getting at lol

[ember trench]

The government obviously isn’t a good thing but it has united people the world over. United them under a lie, but united them nonetheless. And even if you take the CDs out of the equation, the lesser monarchy and nobility are still connected by their shared participation in diplomacy and world politics hat the government allows. That’s a far cry from what it probably used to be.

[modest skiff]

(and just to confirm, CDs are able to kidnap 'nobles' on a whim, right?)

[waxen dust]

They all aren’t at peace tho, if they can’t decide the ways of the world themselves then how can they be connected. None of their rallying and advocating in the political world matters if there’s only one person’s word who matters most over everyone else and that’s Imu. All of the nations are just living a false reality where they think their words matter, but in all honesty the WG has them subjugated under Imu’s eyes (Big Brother)

[modest skiff]

I think Archer is essentially saying a group of slaves is united as a group of slaves

[waxen dust]

yeah I just read his last post

[modest skiff]

Which is of course true, but I don't think it fits the meaning behind what we are talking about

[ember trench]

Dude, you are really splitting hairs here lol. They are united under something and they do have a voice in world politics. Before the twenty kingdoms came together and made what would eventually become the world government they probably didn’t even have that.

They’re not slaves lol

[modest skiff]

I'm not convinced it makes sense to assume anything about the world pre-WG

For all we know it was essentially a shift in power and new people on top, we really have basically nothing right now

[ember trench]

No, we actually do know that the twenty kingdoms created the WG

[modest skiff]

If it is legal for you to be removed from your home and made a slave forever, it is easy to say you were never free to begin with

They created the WG, we don't know there wasn't a different WG prior

[ember trench]

We aren’t talking about freedom. We are talking about the world being united. And it is - largely - united now.

[modest skiff]

I think we are understanding the situation the same and we just disagree on semantics

[waxen dust]

The way I look at the main point of all this, is The Anicent Kingdom had to have been the only place in existence like Pangea. So there’s only one ruling and that’s the head of the AK. But now centuries later the world has shifted and diversified so it’s definitely more minds whose thoughts and concerns can differ than others. I think it’s a fair way of communicating, but the point being the world prior likely abided by one ideal so more people would have the same thoughts and concerns than now, meaning less conflict.

[modest skiff]

I think this extends a bit too deep into what we can safely assume. However, if we do assume the ancient kingdom perhaps formally or informally ruled the world, you are right to say it may have been even more united prior. Especially if all the isolated countries were not isolated back then

[waxen dust]

yeah and that’s only assuming IF, because we have to factor in outside forces like the moon civilization and possibly extra terrestrials (since we saw them in the Enel cover story). The extent of the AK’s reign is obviously hard to say, but one thing is for certain there were a bunch of bad apples who threw everything into chaos.

[modest skiff]

The whole throne thing really feels like resentment of a higher power. I agree that your thoughts appear the most likely and I share them. I can imagine the whole devils, empty throne etc etc is basically just a rant against the AK

[ember trench]

...wha

[waxen dust]

The throne actually is more like a gag and Imu’s making a mockery of the whole world as he sits on it. But it’s gonna bite them in the ass later and have an actual meaning to the world later on

[ember trench]

The only meaning for the empty throne will be when it’s smashed to pieces

[modest skiff]

you gotta at least say what you are thinking rather than this lol

[ancient vault]

nah stellys gonna sit ln it

[waxen dust]

Stelly gonna prop it as his tombstone

[ancient vault]

What kind of deity would momo be?

[ember trench]

But no, the world definitely wasn’t more united prior to the government. If it was we wouldn’t have twenty kingdoms coming together to destroy the ancient kingdom. We wouldn’t have slavery of the dwarves in Dressrosa or the Fishmen still living beneath the surface away from humans. We wouldn’t have the minks isolating themselves in their country stop Zunesha. The ancient kingdom more than likely faced such heavy opposition because its ideals were so controversial and threatening to the world in the first place. And if the Twenty Kingdoms wanted to suppress relations between nations they wouldn’t creat a world flipping government. They do want the world united. They want it united under them.

[ancient vault]

another guardian deity or is the title of shogun enough?

[waxen dust]

So are you saying this whole story is gonna end up with two sides of a coin and no one is truly bad nor good? Because that’s what it sounds like you’re implying

[ember trench]

No, the government is obviously evil

[waxen dust]

So then the government’s ideals are wrong

[ember trench]

But they're evil with a point

[waxen dust]

What point? That their dicks?

[ember trench]

another thing, we know the gorosei want positive relations with the Fishmen.

The point is the balance and unity the WG has created for the world even though it's built on the backs of a lie and countless atrocities

[waxen dust]

They probably want positive relations so they can obtain and eventually apprehend Shirahoshi

[ember trench]

They can do that whenever they want lol

[waxen dust]

Yeah but how would it look if they just decided to invade FMI for no apparent reason.

Countries would question the WG’s standards

[ember trench]

They don't need positive relations for that. The world oppresses the Fishmen already and treats them like animals. If anything the fishmen are actually much better off since they joined the government.

Because now Neptune and their race have a voice in the reverie. Fishmen are now considered "equals" on the world stage.

[waxen dust]

Well yeah because that’s the only way their voices can be heard, but it’s a rigged system that all weighs heavily under Imu’s rule.

[modest skiff]

Honestly surprised they didn’t

[ember trench]

The thing about that system is they still need to have the countries feel like they have a voice otherwise the whole thing collapses in on itself. That they invited Neptune to the reverie is already a positive first step for the Fishmen. Clearly suppressing the voices of the Fishman race and keeping them out of world politics is not a part of the Gorosei's prerogative.

[waxen dust]

They’re not going to do that because people will start to question and possibly rebel both around the world and within the government. They’re slowly baiting FMI to make the capture.

[ember trench]

No, the WG could always come up with some reason to sack FMI and take Poseidon and nobody would probably care. Why? Because to the world they're just a bunch of stupid fish.

Look at what they did to Kuma and Sorbet Kingdom.

[waxen dust]

I mean we don’t know what happened to Sorbet kingdom iirc

[modest skiff]

if 20 countries banded together to fight someone, it does imply someone was worth fighting. Question is why. Either they had something the 20 wanted or the 20 didn’t like them for some other reason. The possibility that appears more likely to me is that Imu somehow deceived these 20, perhaps betraying the AK by doing so

[ember trench]

They are gods. They can do whatever they want and nobody will blink an eye because that's just the way things are. If they wanted to nuke FMI for good and all or keep them underwater and out of government politics forever they could do it without repercussions.

[waxen dust]

Bingo

[ember trench]

But the Gorosei don't want that. They want positive relations with FMI. That's why they wanted to keep Jinbe as a warlord, that's why they made FMI a vassal nation and invited Neptune to the reverie.

[ancient vault]

well they fcked up cause shirahoshiis now also top priority in imus eyes

[ember trench]

yeah they probably recently figured out that she is Poseidon

[ancient vault]

and him/her being good makes no sense imo

[ember trench]

likely when she came to the reverie

[ancient vault]

Imu prob realized thmselves

[waxen dust]

That’s a fair argument, the Gorosei can do as they please. But I definitely think they’re buying time for some reason. It’s ironic just now they finally gain acceptance to the Reverie as soon as Shirahoshi’s power begin to be more controllable.

[ancient vault]

Thats just coincidence imo

[ember trench]

We know the Government isn't a good thing. It's just suppressing the nations of the world and keeping them isolated from one another... that's the complete opposite of what they want to achieve/maintain.

[waxen dust]

Imu holding her picture suggests otherwise imo

[ancient vault]

if i were them i'd built good relations before the power even awakens

[ember trench]

Thry might have only discovered and suspected her because she came to the Reverie

it's not like they knew she would come with Neptune

[modest skiff]

We know the seakings have advanced knowledge of events. One possible mechanism is extremely advanced haki. It is possible that Shirahoshi is already under their protection

[ancient vault]

that was after shirahoshi entered reverie iirc. idk what power imu has but one glance is enough

maybe to recognize poseidon

[waxen dust]

Listen Imu definitely knew prior, especially since Poseidon reappears every x amount of years.

[modest skiff]

I think it’s possible you can’t prevent Poseidon. You just have periods with and without Poseidon

[waxen dust]

It’s not even about preventing it’s about finding her and taking her out of the equation each time

[ember trench]

we don't know if there is a certain point in time it appears again that can be calculated. Just that every few centuries a mermaid is born with that power.

besdes, they didn't take any action against her during the Reverie. That would have been the perfect time.

[modest skiff]

Right and what I am saying is that it’s possible once she is born, she is already “checkmate” defended by the seakings in some way. And since we know they know of events before they happen, maybe this also allows them to always respond just at the right time

[waxen dust]

Well regardless, we’ve seen stuff like future sight and prophecy awaiting to be foretold like Oden says to Toki 20 more years arrives Joyboy and Madam Sharley. Like there’s these incidents of further perception and if Imu is the higher being then their perceptive abilities have to be somewhat boundless, so it’s plausible to predict the arrival of Poseidon whenever it happens.

[ember trench]

they at least suspect she is Poseidon. But if their entire goal for making relations with FMI was to nab Poseidon they would have just done it at the Reverie lol.

[waxen dust]

I think checkmate is when all the weapons are together and Joyboy’s treasure is discovered.

[ember trench]

so we can safely say that's not why

[modest skiff]

Maybe yeah

[waxen dust]

no they wouldn’t do it at Reverie because Charlos was tryna to nab her and they ensured her safety back to FMI. They’re not going take her in front of an entire audience. That’s more than enough reason to disban from the WG.

In fact people were almost ready to face off against CP0 when they intervened

[modest skiff]

I don't think they want to steal Poseidon but I do think they are afraid of Poseidon. And if they are afraid of Poseidon, it would only make sense to kill her when you have the chance. So that's why I think not only is it a bad idea due to optics but I also think Shirahoshi is safe at this point

[ember trench]

They can literally just have a Celestial Dragon try to take her or take her themselves or go to war with Fishman Island or a million other things if Poseidon is what they're really after. It's not; what they want is the Ryugu Kingdom as a functioning part of the World Government.

[modest skiff]

This is true, maybe I really am over estimating the iron fist rule

[modest skiff]

What do you think is their motivation though? I really just can't buy for the sake of peace and just out of the goodness of their hearts

[waxen dust]

What purpose tho? Why does the government suddenly need the Ryugu Kingdom all of a sudden? Only plausible reason is because Shirahoshi has better control of Poseidon.

What’s another reason if not this? WG is always out for their best interest

[ember trench]

They don't need it, they want it to be a part of them lol. And it is in their best interests as well. It's extending their own power and influence by making them a part of the government.

[modest skiff]

Doesn't pass the smell test IMO. I just don't buy it

[ancient vault]

what smell test

[modest skiff]

doesn't smell right 😄 (sorry, it is a somewhat joking phrase)

[ember trench]

there isn't always some dastardly cartoon villain plan. They're the world government, they want nations to be a part of their collective body. They expand their own influence and power and maintain a global balance by bringing more kingdoms into their circle. The more the merrier.

[ancient vault]

idk im wuth archer here. If they really wanted to theycouldve lokng ago

[waxen dust]

hm, I see what you’re saying. You make a good point, but the timing of it all is my only opposition. If they just wanted to be their influencers then why not extend the offer any other prior time especially when Otohime was advocating?

[ancient vault]

because a CD killed otohime

[modest skiff]

I suppose this depends on who we are talking about here. If we wonder why the Gorosei would care, I think it is something evil. If it is just the 20 kingdoms who like to be friends, sure, I can see it for purely good reasons

[waxen dust]

Prior to that, iirc she tried numerous times.

[ember trench]

It is imperialism if you want to call that evil

[ancient vault]

it is evil 🤨

[ember trench]

yes

[waxen dust]

also Hody killed her not a CD, although framed as a visiting human

[ancient vault]

i thoughta CD shot her

[modest skiff]

Hody wanted to start a race war, so he killed her

I remember her being shot by someone and then surviving but then Hody also shot her? Or is my order mixed up?

I think she got shot twice..?

[waxen dust]

no Don Quixote befriended her, he took her to the surface

[grizzled fog]

Hody had a human pirate assassinate her, think she got shot once before though

[ember trench]

She actually befriended and changed him after they went to the surface

[grizzled fog]

Wonder how on earth that worked

[waxen dust]

sex

[modest skiff]

lmao

[waxen dust]

Otohime’s affair killed the chat

[ancient vault]

ahhh

well she saved his life iirc

[warm hollow]

This chat reeks of ntr

[modest skiff]

ur face reeks of ntr

[waxen dust]

yeah the fishmen were gonna kill him lol

[ancient vault]

whats ntr

[waxen dust]

affair hentai

[modest skiff]

i had a feeling i didn't wanna google it

[waxen dust]

寝取られ

[ember trench]

Mjosgard is about to be chosen to become a gorosei

[tardy pumice]

|| Shanks is the son of Rock's D Xebec and a Celestial Dragon (not my theory, but I believe it 100%) ||

[ember trench]

you don't need to spoiler tag here

[modest skiff]

is it 1020 spoilers?

[waxen dust]

I thought that too

[honest hedge]

Shanks is my son, no cap

[ember trench]

oh yeah also

the modern world has a global newspaper

[modest skiff]

headcanon for me is that all of the delivery birds are a part of Morgans's body

[waxen dust]

Newspaper isn’t 100% truthful so actually goes against your argument.

[ember trench]

not really

it's still a paper that informs the entire world of global events lol

[waxen dust]

yeah I get what you’re trying to say, but it’s a miscommunication to the world because it’s false information to sway the masses

[ember trench]

and it has printed the truth more often than lies in the story

[waxen dust]

I mean it’s a bit of both

[modest skiff]

Morgans is a total wild card for me. I want to know way more about him

[ember trench]

It's far more often the truth lol. Even when things are embellished such as the case of Luffy's raid on Tottoland there is more truth than lies to the story.

[warm hollow]

He was born in North Blue or west blue, I forget which

[waxen dust]

Morgans picks and chooses what he wants to spread, it’s not a genuine source for communication in the world

[ember trench]

We have only a handful of cases where the government goes out of its way to manipulate information and it's only when something is harmful to them

You still news on things like uprisings the revos are respnsible for and the Reverie turnouts

[tardy pumice]

@warm hollow West Blue according to his own words. I get that makes things sus. Maybe I should share were i heard the theory.

[warm hollow]

It's a popular theory so it doesn't really matter

[modest skiff]

I think he legitimately wants to inform people and is also willing to be selfish when it suits him

[ember trench]

bottom line is the world is more connected now than it has ever been.

[modest skiff]

LOL

[waxen dust]

These last few arcs we’ve been going into further depth about Morgans and the newspapers, simply to emphasis it’s something that needs to be challenged, just like in the real world.

It’s more so not a credible source to rely in communicating when the main boss is apart of the underworld. His hands are dirty, he needs a gallon of Purell

[modest skiff]

You could argue the incomplete truth of the paper is similar to the incomplete freedom of the WG

[ember trench]

It might not be perfect but it is still widespread and informative

[waxen dust]

Somewhat

[modest skiff]

I'd certainly call the paper is a net positive and I also think a more ethical version is possible

[waxen dust]

That’s where it’s likely headed

[modest skiff]

I think the WG would be great if everything above them was wiped out. This is one of the reasons I think Xebec wanted to just totally eliminate Marie Jois. The problem is the levels ABOVE the WG. I think the WG is mostly fine on its own. Mostly same with the Navy. Its the CDs that ruin everything

And by WG I basically mean the 20 country leaders

I see value in distinguishing between CDs and others

[ember trench]

you really need to stop trying to romanticize Xebec

[modest skiff]

I'll never stop

[ember trench]

he wanted to be King of the World. If he won things would likely have been much, much worse.

[modest skiff]

I want to belieeeeve he was a chaotic good

[ember trench]

he was not

[warm hollow]

Ah definitely. A totalitarian regime would be "good". Sure, for 5 seconds maybe. Until they figure out that they can do anything they want and won't be held accountable

[ember trench]

you need to do more than remove the CDs. I think what Koala said is pretty naive and isn't the full solution here. He wouldn't give us the real answer like that.

[modest skiff]

I would agree if I thought WB and BM would follow someone just mindlessly "mwahahaha I am evil". It is more so that I have more faith in WB than for Xebec to be a poo face

[ember trench]

Big Mom would and is now lol. She wants to find the ancient weapons and use them on the world.

[warm hollow]

If oda is smart he won't go the route where dragon installs democracy

He will lose the profits he gets from China

[modest skiff]

Maybe BM, but WB I really just don't see following a legitimately bad guy

[ember trench]

The biggest issue with Koala's "the world government isn't our enemy, the CDs are!" thing is it doesn't ask about what comes after that. Someone or something is going to want to take their place. The Celestial Dragons aren't really god, the World Government is. They're just the ones steering the ship they built for now. And Oda has said that a big theme of One Piece is that the opposite of one righteousness is just another righteousness.

So they boot the CDs and something else takes their place - but then it's just something else ruling as god over the world. So, what changes with new administration if they're free to make the same mistakes as their predecessors?

[ember trench]

Whitebeard is easy to figure out - he hates the government. The government denied his home protection and left it at the mercy of pirate attacks because they couldn't afford the heavenly tribute. So he has plenty of motivation for wanting to tear it down with Rocks.

Also what he said to Oden about Wano still being "free" because it wasn't a part of the government.

[modest skiff]

True, I always attributed that to the CDs, not the individual nations, but I could see that being true

[ancient vault]

establish anarchy

[ember trench]

it's why I think the solution will be to tear the whole thing down and build something new on the foundations

[ancient vault]

and that is?

Theyre just gonna create another organization. Same thing as the WG at the end of the day

[grizzled fog]

How is it the same if it’s a totally different kind of government, without the CDs. Potentially even a democracy

[ember trench]

I imagine just a UN kind of thing with no sovereign power over other nations

checks and balances established and maintained by a reverie council

[ancient vault]

still a ruling authority above

[ancient vault]

but ig that might work

[carmine sparrow]

raw scan where

[ebon needle]

no 1020 yet?

[lapis tangle]

Just dropped

[runic dawn]

Maybe Black Maria was a former slave of the celestial Dragon. She has a tattoo in her back, maybe covering the emblem of the world nobles. She is also beautiful and has a weird devil fruit.

[modest skiff]

Black Maria's devil fruit is definitely super intriguing right now

[gritty barn]

Well, seems like people's guesses of Yamato's devil fruit were wrong for the most part

[ancient vault]

yamato theory already got unpinned

[nimble quiver]

damn I really like brook

[pseudo citrus]

it does work with my theory about Yamato being the moon though, shameless plug

[ivory thunder]

BROOK THE GOAT

[pure raven]

I think usopp is the sun god. He was looking like sun god nika in one of the frames in sorajima. Also, he freed the slaves of dressrosa. He has GOD in his name.

[mellow sapphire]

Usopp is probably a reincarnation of Nika like Tiger was

In the same way Luffy or Roger would be reincarnations of Joyboy

Less literal reincarnations and more like one who carries their legacy

[river gate]

https://youtu.be/qYzqDJBeI9Q

Someone sent me this and I was blown away

[mellow sapphire]

I don't think Nika is a particularly important lore thing

Just another common thread to tie the world together

Also

What if Shinobu "matures" Momo?

[ancient vault]

oharas theory gets posted every few houes in here

[pure raven]

This was the 4 - 5 time Gods where mentioned in Wano. Also, Fruits are based on actual "legends" or " "deities" from the looks of it.

[ancient vault]

nika is def important lore. It will tie into joyboy

[silent dock]

sort of off topic, but check out this pic i found trying to find info on japanese dog lore: https://www.nga.gov/features/life-of-animals-in-japanese-art.html

[ancient vault]

yup
Kaido
Luffy
Yamato

are the ones i remember

[pure raven]

What do you mean?

[ancient vault]

the fruit is ooguchi no makami i think

[silent dock]

don’t have anything to make of it yet lol just thought it looked like yamato

[ancient vault]

kaido was called the deity of wano at the beginning of wano
luffy was called a gurdian deity and so was yamato

[pure raven]

Oh, you mean that. Yeah you're right.

[gritty barn]

I found some info regarding the Makami. May be a tad bit confusing to navigate. https://ralphhaussler.weebly.com/wolf-mythologie-creation-japan-americas-inuit-egypt.html

[pure raven]

Also fruits based on deity's gives us soo much space to theorize.

[silent dock]

yeah the guardian dog! i was reading about those too!!

yes that article! i think it’s interesting it turned into a white deer which could resemble the horns

[ancient vault]

read that article too. and yeah confusing to navigate has lots of info but the way its organized sucks imo. He just clumped together fox and wolf mythology

what i find interesrinf thpugh that noone managed to predict this as far as Ik. Even though it entails the legend of yamato takeru

[tired osprey]

this is the best website to read about yamato's fruit

ive linked several times in the spoiler channel lol

[mighty sinew]

last time we saw Caesar Clown, where we could go?

[ancient vault]

nice catch woah

i automatically dislike the theory now @ember trench @waxen dust

[dull pumice]

that video name yikes

[ember yarrow]

That's actually yuderon theory

[ancient vault]

its good really but the seoxnd theoty is a stretch that makes sense but still a reach. But ppl will eat up anything

[ember yarrow]

A Japanese youtuber

[ancient vault]

its a japanese yter ik and ohara gives him credit

I've seen the japanese theory months ago

[ember yarrow]

Yuderon has more amazing theories

I like the shanks df theory

[ancient vault]

I've checked out a couple of his other vids, theyre quite ingeresting ywah

his channel would blow up even more if he manages to add englisch subtitles

I used the japanese subtitles + the transscript + google translate extension to watch the vid

[tired osprey]

every theory of his seems to be based of number puns and word play, he is going way to far

[tired osprey]

same

[ancient vault]

Theyre very interesting ideas. But yeah theyre heavily based on word play and such. But thats why im saying his channel would blow up cause ppl love that shit

[ancient vault]

fellow big brain

[tired osprey]

people can barely get the hang of the 2,9 theory tho lmao

[ancient vault]

I dont remember a lot of consistent youtubers thaz dont rely either on headcanon stretches for their theories or insane world play, numerology I believe.

[ancient vault]

thats only cause it doesnt add up for their beloved nakama

[tame mirage]

Can you link me

[ancient vault]

Alpha2late is pretty cool tho it has been a while since he posted. Marco the OP theorist

https://youtu.be/KxwgDvT4TP0

I think its this one

[ember yarrow]

Yes

[tame mirage]

After the ohara theory video I saw someone say imagine the going merry is already down there waiting for the rest of the crew in enies lobby 🥲

[ancient vault]

well the merry got burned so theres not a lot left

[tame mirage]

[pure raven]

Dog dog fruit

[ember yarrow]

The soul of merry will guide them when they look for onepiece.. 👍

[ember yarrow]

The mythical dog.

But it does sound lame..hehe

[pure raven]

nc no break

[ancient vault]

just call it makami

[wary orchid]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYzqDJBeI9Q

[forest rampart]

I didn't read part one but so far i like your theory.
I would like to add and discuss some other things that are related to your theory too.

[ancient vault]

if this is the ohara video...

it fcking is

[quaint relic]

Sure

[trim copper]

brooo i think this guy might be true https://youtu.be/qYzqDJBeI9Q

[peak cape]

Ohara deez nutz

[ember trench]

what's the shanks theory @ancient vault

[pure raven]

Ohara mid

[open nimbus]

the theory is convincing, but that's all it is

i mean, is the One Piece being on the bottom of Enies Lobby really that funny that you would name an island after it?

[worldly anvil]

the colouring wow

make me think that momo luffy marco and yamato are all fighting Kaido

[elfin wasp]

Marco " I don't know my role yet in this war"
Finally some role coming

[worldly anvil]

"I used to take care of you when you was a baby"

[elfin wasp]

Ngl I would prefer this so much more than Marco losing against king

[worldly anvil]

zoro "I'll take care of King so fuck off Marco"

[ancient vault]

the video

[ancient vault]

i didnt fully watch it simply because im not convinced but he argues for the "teleportation fruit"

Theres a very old sbs where someone asked for Shanks age and Oda said "Idk where shanks is right now but 10 years ago in luffys village he was 27". Some ppl saw that as weird as Oda couldve simply just added 10 years and said 37

[ember trench]

Oh...

[somber sphinx]

he meant 10 real years probably

[amber oar]

Probably didn't want to reveal shanks alive or something. Was it prior to his apparition post Arlong Park?

[ancient vault]

volume 4 syrup village chapter 27 (feels good to have the volumes)

[crude ridge]

guys

what if marco joins the sh pirates?

[ancient vault]

wdym?

[somber sphinx]

like he meant 10 years ago in our years not in the one piece universe

[ancient vault]

no he meant inverse

OP wasnt even running a full year at that point lol

[forest rampart]

@quaint relic Ok so I remember some parallels between Sandai and Enma: both are cursed swords, and both are a bit difficult for Zoro to handle

Zoro didn't mean to cut the stone axe but that was Sandai's own 'will'

[pine delta]

im confused what caribou is really up to. he knows their plan but has just been chilling on the sidelines? i find it hard to believe he has zero way of getting off the island...but at the same time hes a dumbass who got captured anyway

[forest rampart]

Zoro just wanted to cut down a tree like Hitetsu told him but Enma made him cut a cliff instead

[pine delta]

very blackbeard like to have zero plan

[forest rampart]

There will be a lot of stretch starting from here.
I don't really pay attention to sfx that much and would like to take things with a grain of salt.
But since I can't see any other acceptable way (for myself) of solving this problem with Zoro have CoC, and CoC coating, as for now I think this is the only way for me to accept it.
So when Enma started to drain Zoro's CoA, the sfx used there were バン (bam) and ゴゴゴ (grrrrgg).
When Enma returned back his haki, sfx ボン (boom) is used.

You mentioned that there's a grey aura around his sword in "three sword style" panel.
I would like to mention that there's also ズズズ (zrrdd) sfx in the panel.
I think this refers to Zoro was using and giving out his armament haki to Enma sword there (and also other swords but Oda made the reader to focus on Enma sword instead in that panel).

[upbeat mist]

Yamato's fruit being referred to as the "Guardian Deity of Wano" supports the "not joining" crowd imo, why would the guardian deity leave?

[forest rampart]

Again, the sfx ズズズ is used here. But this time Oda used white aura instead of grey aura.
But instead of Zoro used his CoA here, I think that perhaps he unconsciously used his CoC instead here. While perhaps Zoro wasn't aware that he has CoC, he also wasn't aware that one can applied his CoC to a weapon, something that Luffy realise and learnt later too.

I think everyone agrees that Enma is the one that wounded Kaido here. Also while Zoro used Ashura previously here, there was only visible wound on Kaido. But since Ashura is a nine swords style, I thought that Kaido should receive more wounds that just one cut (and gave him a permanent scar to).

Yes, Luffy realised it later. Still same chp as Ashura but Luffy got up later, and only after that he realised it.

[bitter kraken]

Do I select all messages for notifications or just the @ ones?

[forest rampart]

So what I'm saying is that Zoro was unconsciously using and implying his CoC on Enma sword.

While I prefer to think that it was the work of that sword that draw out Zoro's CoC, the problem is that is that it was obvious that Zoro was the one that gave out his haki and applied it to his swords. And even the sfx used when Enma forcefully take out Zoro's CoA were different than the one when before he used Ashura.
So yeah, looks like Zoro didn't aware he has CoC or that he didn't aware that he applied his CoC to Enma sword (CoCting).

Your thought? @quaint relic

[quaint relic]

I'm reading it

I'll give you my thoughts in 5 minutes @forest rampart

[visual merlin]

I know this is mainly about that effect around his sword, but I feel like I've yet to see anyone give a reasonable explanation for why Kaido would be laughing at luffy implying he could get Coating if luffy's subordinate just used it

[vivid stone]

https://youtu.be/qYzqDJBeI9Q

[visual merlin]

Also, I think this whole aura thing is just Oda showing off enma, yes this time it was white instead of gray but that just seems like an art choice, doesn't look anything like the trail anyway

[quaint relic]

Zoro is the first one to actually wound him on the rooftop and Kaido later mentions that only the strongest of the strongest can use CoCting, Kaido only acknowledges the people that can actually WOUND him like Oden

[visual merlin]

Several people hurt him, but yes he was the first to scar him

unless you're implying kaido thought zoro was far above luffy in strength

that does not make sense

In your case, Kaido sees zoro use Cocting, then 10 seconds later laughs at the idea of luffy getting Cocting, despite zoro just using it and being the subordinate

doesn't add up

[quaint relic]

💯 great theory, thank you for further improving my theory and adding your own explanation

[forest rampart]

There are several times we've seen Zoro being mistaken as a captain instead of Luffy but yeah, Kaido should very well aware that Luffy is the captain and ofc should be stronger than Zoro.
Why did Kaido laughed to Luffy indeed hm :CrocThink:

[forest rampart]

Thanks. I'm sure there are a lot of holes in this theory though like what Laww already said, also about the aura things being a part of art style.

[quaint relic]

Mmmmaybe

[bitter kraken]

Yeah zoro dosnt have coc he has something brand new link to his heritage

[forest rampart]

Maybe Kaido thought that Luffy won't be able to handle infusing his CoC with weapon (his hand)?
And we saw Luffy was falling into the sea few chps after that too.
So yeah, Kaido laughed at the condition of Luffy there maybe.

[quaint relic]

Maybe he said that to mentally push him. Like a playful jab, y'know

[visual merlin]

If zoro had just infused coc into his attacks, there's no reason to laugh like that at the possibility of his captain doing the same

[visual merlin]

No, that's as much of a stretch as it gets and wouldn't work anyway. Pretty clearly was him thinking luffy had no shot at doing it

[forest rampart]

I mean, Luffy just got up from after being unconscious. So I think that's why Kaido laughed. Like Luffy was asking Kaido to knock him up again in which he did few chps after.

[visual merlin]

Kaido's laughter was directed at the idea that he'd get cocting, in the first place whether or not luffy was out beforehand shouldn't be relevant

Zoro probably just didn't use cocting

more like he used normal CoC, like Luffy did vs doflamingo

[forest rampart]

Kaido:
"only a handful of the very strongest can"
"not a dead man walking"

So it was both, few selected strongest users, and condition of Luffy.

[quaint relic]

Damn, that's a good point

[forest rampart]

But Laww is still right about Kaido laughed because that he thought that Luffy can't do it.

[visual merlin]

Yea in any case, doesn't make sense for anyone with a brain to be that cocky about luffy not getting cocting if zoro had just used it

[slender solstice]

hi guys

[ancient vault]

hello

pls dont post oharas video here, I beg you

[clever pulsar]

Why

[ancient vault]

That video gets posted every hour in here

[peak cape]

Yeah but like what if I did post it?

[ancient vault]

I'll curse u and ur family

[peak cape]

[lapis prairie]

So many one piece youtubers are fucking terrible

[ancient vault]

Well this theory isnt terrible tho. Its just getting posted everywhere which gets annoying

[amber oar]

Someone should pin the damned video

Not that it will stop people

[lapis prairie]

Cookies theory? That looks like exactly what happened

[ancient vault]

no the ohara video

[lapis prairie]

Shit I went a bit far back. Which theory is this?

[ancient vault]

. this one

[lapis prairie]

Lmfao that’s the one I was watching which brought me here

Stupid, unreasonable, baseless connections

[ancient vault]

Im genuienly suprised about ur reaction

[lapis prairie]

It’s full of if A is true, then B, this thing not really connected, must also be true

That’s like 30% of the video

[ancient vault]

I think the first half is good but the enies lobby part just becomes weird

[lapis prairie]

I’m not done the first half

[ancient vault]

dont watch further

If you already dont like the start its not getting better towards the end

[lapis prairie]

Like he tries to say that because people have shit with their eyes (including ffs a chapter cover where luffy stands in front of Robin’s face) or Doffy’s symbol (which doesn’t cover the eye the way it would if you were going to actually make a connection, but only if you’re a shitty youtuber who just wants to put out content instead of value), he uses those example as reasons why Enies lobby is the islands right eye

[ancient vault]

oh no I think the eye part is a good hint, I just dont think Dennies Lobby or the other shit is good

Doffys symbol doesnt fit in there tho yh u right lol

It also has to do with Oda wanting to introduce a pirate with an eye patch

[lapis prairie]

Like there is something with the islands other eye. That is legit, it’s a perfect circle. 100%. But when you bring in all of these useless, irrelevant ‘ideas’, you bog the video down in shit.

[ancient vault]

so true

The unnecessary weak evidence makes the other evidence that is pretty good look bad

[lapis prairie]

It shows stupidity, lack of care, or a lack of faith in the audiences intellence

[forest rampart]

So the question is why Kaido laughed at Luffy..
I'll take it as Kaido was indeed thought too high of himself that he refused to see there's another capable people that can use CoCting. And since Zoro didn't understand what was Kaido talking about, I think that perhaps Kaido thought it was a luck for Zoro to be able to used CoCting since Zoro himself wasn't aware that he has CoC.
Kaido also thought that Luffy can't be a Joyboy while Yamato knew that Luffy was the one that Oden was waiting for, The Joyboy.

So it's kind of both about red herrings and Kaido's ego here there. Like Kaido and Big Mom also didn't approve Blackbeard as a yonko since he is just a newbie. But Shanks was aware about BB's strength since long ago considering that BB was the one that gave him those scars on his eye. And I think that BB is still dangerous even now. Only that Kaido and BM thought too high of themselves, thus their ego.

So I think that Kaido 'failed' to think the possibility that Luffy can use CoCting even if he just got wounded by Zoro few mins before that.

[lapis prairie]

Right? Be better!

[ancient vault]

I think u have to much faith into the OP YT fans community

[lapis prairie]

I love One Piece so much. I want the content around it to be good, but it’s overwhelmingly shit

I blame the anime being so drawn out

[ancient vault]

they eat that shit up pretty quick. The japanese guy has other interesting ideas but his shanks video is like really badly structured. Starting from the point where you have to assume Shanks somehow managed to stay still in the water while having a teleportation DF lol

[lapis prairie]

Lmao! And the rest of the video relies on it too

[ancient vault]

And even if you ignore that I still couldnt convince myself because the other stuff was just weird

Connection like seeing shanks in chapter 28 colorspread whcih is called Crescent moon and connecting it to nekomamushi

[lapis prairie]

They need their weekly click bait 10m video

[ancient vault]

Thinking about it. Idk why he didnt just say rou got the teleportation fruit

[ancient vault]

Cause it was lucky roux who fcking appeared out of nowhere next to the bandit

Others have made that theory already tho so wouldnt be sth new

[forest rampart]

I think that the missing eye is Emerald city instead of Raftel but idk. There's still a chance for the theory to be right.
Personally I would like to think the other missing eye is Emerald City, maybe the Nakrawa(?) Island.

[lapis prairie]

If one of them could tele, and assuming can tele others, why not just tele luffy off the boat

[pastel olive]

Who else thinks instead of Luffy vs Kaido, it'll be Strawhats vs Kaido?

[ancient vault]

well you have to touch him ig

[lapis prairie]

Tele himself over then

[forest rampart]

Wow didn't know there's a theory like that

[ancient vault]

And they werent fast enough? idk bro I dont believe in the theory I just think rou having the fruit is better than shanks

[lapis prairie]

Oh for sure

[ancient vault]

That fruit is more of a utility fruit

I dont think its fit for a yonko imo I wouldnt wanna see a yonko fight with teleportation lol

[lapis prairie]

The idea that Oda broke his one rule about dfs that early into the manga is disappointingly accepted

[lapis prairie]

I don’t think it can happen, cause nobody but Luffy and Zoro can hurt him

[forest rampart]

Teleport.. That's also Kuma df ability

[ancient vault]

Law can basically do the same just shorter range

[lapis prairie]

Kuma doesn’t teleport, he sends away

[forest rampart]

He teleports himself to Nami at TB

[pastel olive]

That's fair, but I'd like to think that since he took a fair amount of damage, at the climax, we'll get a chip damage sort of thing, where everyone helps soften him up for Luffy to deliver the final blow

[sand sail]

Omg, people always look at Roo doing it

Shanks's whole crew appears behind him out of nowhere

[ancient vault]

He sends himself away giving the illusion of teleporting yeah. But thats the point. The teleportion technique in battle is nothing fascinating

[lapis prairie]

I think it’s just speed, the way it looks like the SHs disappear when he touches them on the SA

[ancient vault]

talking about chapter 1

[sand sail]

Yeh, me too

His whole crew appears behind him all of a sudden, Roo was just the one who fires the shot

Like, Roo wasn't even the closest one to him lol

Which, thinking about it, lends way more weight to Shanks actually having some kind of teleportation fruit too. Just dropped his whole crew there out of nowhere

[ancient vault]

true

[ancient vault]

well still shanks was in the water and could swim

[forest rampart]

Wait..
It's possible that Roo has teleportation fruit because that would explain why they could suddenly arrived from New World to Marineford

[lapis prairie]

I think they ran or walked there

[ancient vault]

they could simply just be fast af too lol

[lapis prairie]

White beard also got there. And Shanks only brought one ship

[ancient vault]

who knows. Just find it weird to say shanks had it back then when he could swim

[ancient vault]

well its cause he clashed with kaido few hours before

[lapis prairie]

When Shanks went to see Whitebeard, there was a line of marines. How did he get past

[elfin wasp]

Final battle

[sand sail]

Those guys back there would've been like the Strawhats at Fishman Island at a minimum I imagine, so just being fast also makes perfect sense rofl

[ancient vault]

Btw im convinced now the guy stalking jinbei and robin was onimaru

[sand sail]

He could've legitimately just leapt right over them, it's not like any marine there could've hindered Shanks in any way

[lapis prairie]

No there was a blockade of ships

[elfin wasp]

Anime revealed the shadow as Yamato

So that's theory rn is dead.

[lapis prairie]

Wait really?

[ancient vault]

we'll see him soon with hiyori

[sand sail]

There was no blockade of ships that could have stopped him lol, there were only like 3 or 4 he'd have even passed to be there

[ancient vault]

what

[elfin wasp]

Yea the one who Was chasing jinbei and Robin

[ancient vault]

how does a 5 meter tall guy hide in the bush like that

[forest rampart]

hybrid form

[modest skiff]

Dennies Lobby and “2D form a moon”
Is when I said “ok I’m outta here”

[ancient vault]

he got the mask on so doesnt look like hes in hybridform

[forest rampart]

yep

but anime non canon

[ancient vault]

i hope theyre wrong man, anime is getting on my nerves with spoiling shit that wasnt even revealed in the manga

[forest rampart]

gotta use our own headcanon for now maybe

[elfin wasp]

That was dumb

Honestly ohara editing rn is good . His videos are enjoyable to watch

[ancient vault]

i dont like the constant camera changes

[elfin wasp]

Not a slog

I like it. It's refreshing.

Something different not the same

[modest skiff]

Hope who is wrong? Sorry if I don’t understand, what got spoiled?

[lapis prairie]

I’m referring to when Shanks went to try and talk WB out of going after Ace

Shanks broke through a blockade the Navy put up to stop him

Teleporters don’t break through blockades

[ancient vault]

anime with the yamato reveal above

[sand sail]

Oh, yes they would. Him being able to teleport doesn't mean that he'd just be able to get anywhere unimpeded

People will still try to chase him down to stop him lol

[lapis prairie]

What’s the context here? I thought it was somehow the shadow of who healed the scabbards

[sand sail]

Likewise, the blockade was between him and Whitebeard, he couldn't have teleported over it

[lapis prairie]

Why not? They weren’t like against Whitebeards ship

People think he can teleport out of the grand line and over the red line

[cold urchin]

this is hiyori

[modest skiff]

Isn’t this assuming something we don’t know about a fruit we don’t know is responsible? I feel like if we don’t know anything about a fruit, or if it even exists, hard to put limits on it’s maybe power >_<

[sand sail]

No, but they were meeting his ship. A blockade was sent to stop both of them, they weren't going to meet without wiping it out

Not at all, because Whitebeard can't teleport. They literally could not have met without dealing with the blockade unless Shanks was willing to just throw Whitebeard and his crew around wherever they had to go as well

Because the blockade was sent against both of them, that's why it had to be wiped out before they could meet

[lapis prairie]

Why couldn’t Shanks jump over both?

[modest skiff]

Ohhhh I see what you mean now. The blockade was already dealt with, no teleport necessary

[sand sail]

You're not understanding, what's Whitebeard going to jump over?

[lapis prairie]

Why would be have to

[sand sail]

Shanks clearing a blockade and leaving it doesn't mean it suddenly disappears

Someone has to deal with them

[lapis prairie]

Shanks went to whitebeard, not the other way around

[sand sail]

And it's clearly no problem for him, why both going over?

Yeah, it doesn't matter who went to whom, there was still a squad of Marine ships trying to stop them lol

[lapis prairie]

A line of them in the sea

[ancient vault]

its about the shadow that was stalking jinbei and robin at the beginning of onig

[lapis prairie]

Oh. At least it’s not a big mystery. Dumb to do though

But again, a blockade is a single line of ships in the sea. People think he can jump the red line. One of these things is easier

[pastel olive]

So I have a theory that rather than join at the end of Wano, Carrot will join officially in Elbaf. It's not too likely given current events but it's a theory I've had nonetheless

[ancient vault]

based on what?

[sand sail]

Not sure why this is relevant, though. Jumping over the ships just isn't necessary in general, there was no way they could have stopped him

Or Whitebeard, for that matter

[cloud saddle]

My theories from the past:

1. It's not Kirin: #manga-theories message ✅
2. Yamato, Carrot, Tama, Momo won't join the Straw Hat Crew: #manga message
3. If the shadow at the end of 1004 is Hiyori, then someone helped her. If it's not Onimaru that helped her, then it's a character that we yet know nothing about. Either someone helped Hiyori, or it's not her. #manga-theories message

---

Waiting for 2 more ✅

[flat vine]

My interesting what if questions:

What if Blackbeard pulled up after the battle and took Robin while everyone is injured?

What if Blackbeard is going to fight Shanks?

What if Joyboy is Luffy who time travelled to the past?

[pastel olive]

I don't think we'd get another "rescue Robin" arc

[cloud saddle]

I've seen Luffy sometimes calls people "tomodachi" (that's how it sounds, sorry for my poor knowledge) or "nakama". Vivi was called nakama for e.g and Bellamy was called "tomodachi". Do you guys remember, If Luffy ever called any future SHC member by a "tomodachi" instead of "nakama"?

[hardy owl]

I dont think he has, no

[cloud saddle]

I know he was calling them nakama, after they joined, but i mean before joining

[neat inlet]

i kinda just realized-
Lufy asked Momo to take him to Kaido, however, following the legend of momotaro- momo is taking off back to onigashima with the monkey (luffy), and perhaps we're about to see the pheasant (Marco) and finally the dog (Yamato) on an epic roof piece action in what's still called the oni island (until it lands on wano at least)?

another option is if Oda plans on reversing the arrival order- first Yamato (who's already there), then Marco might join the roof fight right before Yamato feels like he's losing it, then luffy and finally momo?

since everything about the theme is about the arrival of the savior, Yamato's fruit, Kaido awaiting for the fulfillment of a prophecy, the sun god (which personally I'm starting to wonder if it might actually be Momo, not luffy), seems more likely that in this recent chapter we're witnessing the start of the end of the Wano/Onigashima saga

[mild wolf]

In the anime it was Yamato

[bitter kraken]

Carrot shouldn’t join they already have a talking animal

[mild wolf]

I think she should tbh

She already had her backstory lived out in wci and wants to carry on pedros will

[bitter kraken]

Yamato is the powerup the crew could use in the coming battle, carrot ain’t gonna tango with any heavy hitter

[mild wolf]

Joining the straw hats is the only way to do it

[bitter kraken]

She could set sail on her own with a mink crew

[mild wolf]

Neither can ussop.

[mild wolf]

I can see her neither joining the straw hats or creating a minks crew like you said sailing under the grand fleet even

[bitter kraken]

Ussop has been there when the crew was starting it’s not the same, look at their most recent member being jimbei a heavy hitter. Why bring in a weak talking rabbit

[mild wolf]

Luffy doesn’t care about strength if he did he would’ve left ussop on water 7. He cares about friendships

[bitter kraken]

I think they should kill copper and take Marco, kill ussop too just cause but prolly won’t happen

Chopper^

[mild wolf]

They won’t kill straw hats

And Marco would be to strong for the straw hats

[bitter kraken]

They should tho one straw hat dying would be nice, a nice price to pay for taking down a yonko

[mild wolf]

I disagree. I can see someone like a akazaya dieing or Marco even

[bitter kraken]

That wouldn’t be messed up enough

[mild wolf]

It doesn’t need to be. One piece never has been a gory show. Why kill one of the main cast?

And if they were to kill one they would have to kill a weaker straw hat like ussop or chopper

[bitter kraken]

Yeah I said kill chopper and replace him with Marco so you don’t lose your doctor, and maybe kill ussop just for the hell of it

[pastel olive]

Yeah One Piece isn't that kind of series

I know Ace was the big exception to the whole, killing non flashback character thing but I don't see any strawhats dying during the main story

If anything, after the epilogue

[scenic thicket]

carrot is simply the least interesting character in the series

[cyan berry]

@bitter kraken @scenic thicket keep it serious in this channel please

[weary cliff]

The least interesting SH candidate, perhaps

[ember yarrow]

Yamato n carrot will join

[bitter kraken]

Marco maybe, but I don’t see Law joining the grand fleet officially lol he would be like “I’m not in your fleet 😠”

[past crag]

carrot only has perks during the full moon night, the normal carrot isnt really that strong, in terms of strength, yamtao > carrot for the selection of straw hats

[hazy ferry]

carrot and yamato really reminds me of when we thought vivi would join but then we got robin instead

[visual merlin]

strength isn't much of a factor in who joins

Carrot's probably still decent enough to at least be trouble for those in the weak trio anyway

without sulong that is

[fading thorn]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/860011889655414794/870722592502333491/unknown.png i was rewatching some clips and big mom said this about king. anyone know what shes talking about?

came from ep 952

[visual merlin]

Its referring to Big moms goal of having all races, she has all but 3 races

King is one of those remaining races she needs to take

[fading thorn]

so one of them are the giants
king is the one that "dwindled and disappeared over time"
whats the 3rd one?

[visual merlin]

we dunno

could be skypeians since iirc we didn't specifically see any skypeians

but we dunno for sure what that last race is

[fading thorn]

is she aware of the existance of skypians tho

also do cyborgs count as a unique species

[weary cliff]

A sky islander attacked her territory. I'm sure she's aware

[fading thorn]

ah i see

so i guess were gonna explore kings species in a future arc

[vapid pollen]

Do you guys know about the theory of raftel being a part of skypeia/jaya?

just watched a video and idk how I feel ab it

[pure raven]

;-; it isn't but my theory is its a part of the ancient kindom

That got to ennies lobby somehow ;-;

The red line blowing up makes more sense to me ;-;

[vapid pollen]

yeah I think that's the same theory

but the video I watched didn't necessarily point out the importance of one piece itself, more just it's location

[fading thorn]

i agree with the word/number play but it doesnt logically make sense to me

[vapid pollen]

I think it's still compatible with the all blue theory

[fading thorn]

you mean to tell me a soldier never accidentally fell down and found raftel

[vapid pollen]

wouldn't they have died on impact

[fading thorn]

or that a person who could fly via df, technology or anything really have flown in due to their curiosity

[pure raven]

There are even theories about one piece is in the moon and people blv in that too
We just have to wait ;-;

[weary cliff]

Or be silenced by a higher up

[fading thorn]

or could a person with observation haki sense something in the pit

[vapid pollen]

enies lobby is one of the most dangerous places to be for a non marine

[fading thorn]

also the scene where we saw roger at raftel was bright, and the hole in enies lobby is dark

[pure raven]

Yeah i kinda agree with ennies lobby being the missing part of jaya but how tf it get there and why is it basically floating?

[pure raven]

Laughtale isn't Ennies lobby

[vapid pollen]

I think the theory is that laughtale is under enies lobby

but true it was bright, but I could see oda writing around that somehow

[fading thorn]

idk i guess it could be like a narrative purpose

sort of like a light at the end of a dark tunnel type of thng

[pure raven]

That can be draw a cross with marine ford and impel dawn with two other island but fact still remains raftel wasn't so gloomy and wasn't protected this much

[fading thorn]

also has robin read any of the road poneglyphs

[vapid pollen]

we don't know how Roger got caught right?

[fading thorn]

turned himself in

[vapid pollen]

ohh I forgot ab that

[pure raven]

The will of D theory makes sense tho
Two half of the moon one is the darkness one is the light

Luffy and bb easily represent those factors

[vapid pollen]

yeah I like that

rocks and Roger too

[pure raven]

Yeah

[fading thorn]

wouldnt bb have a mirrored D then

[pure raven]

He is the darkness after all
Mirror to luffys light

[unreal solar]

BB being a D still seems weird to me, seeing as he's quite terrified of dying and all

[fading thorn]

i think it was just luffy and roger that werent afraid

[pure raven]

Being a d and being not afraid isn't connected tho

[unreal solar]

I mean the D's we know all laughed while dying, when BB was about to get bodied wasn't he like begging to live?

[fading thorn]

law wasnt laughing

[pure raven]

We don't know about rocks and law wasn't laughing

[cold sparrow]

Buggy will be the one piece

[pure raven]

At this point anything can be the one piece xD

[scenic thicket]

there’s a reason buggy got sick b4 going to laughtale

[vapid pollen]

the one piece is actually just gold and treasure

[pure raven]

The one piece is one piece of gold

I have a theory that doflamigo is actually severley deformed

[cloud saddle]

What's most funny is that, some people that were pushing for Yamato joining SHC, are now against it, just because her Devil Fruit not matches some shit theory with devil fruits in SHC, like it's more important then other tons of reasons XD.
Theories like these df, alphabet, colors, zodiac are not relevant anymore.
I personally think we will get 1+10 or 1+ 10 -1+1 = 1+10. Thats it, when it comes to numbers.

[weary cliff]

Plot continuity

[fresh arch]

he and shanks were not worthy

[scenic thicket]

no he would have ended it before the prophecy so fate had to step in

every character marked with an X is important to the ending

buggy’s got the end of the grand line on his face

[opal sparrow]

Someone explain to me why people think the one piece is at the bottom of Enise lobby

[cloud saddle]

no one thinks that

[opal sparrow]

So they think laugh tale is there ?

[cloud saddle]

Ohara just got lost in his own thoughts

[scenic thicket]

it’s like a ying yang to keep the balance. noland went up so rodger must go down

[opal sparrow]

Thank you cuz the theory is kinda overrated

[cloud saddle]

idk what he thinks, coz it's hard to tell. From what i understand he thinks that Ancient Kingdom = Laughtale = One Piece

I respect Noland and Roger part, from this theory, rest is just bullshit

[opal sparrow]

Exactly me too

[scenic thicket]

the positioning of the one piece has to be after skypeia

[opal sparrow]

The d being half the moon is alright

I personally think there’s a word for it.

[scenic thicket]

he carved his note in skypeias poneglyph, then they found it, then told frankys carpenter daddy they found it

[opal sparrow]

Dreams or devil.

[scenic thicket]

so it’s got to be after skypeia but around water7

[opal sparrow]

But when they got the one piece they were travelling under water so it was definitely in the new world

[cloud saddle]

the whole point is, at the time of Skypia Arc, Oda already thought about ending One Piece soon. So all of these might be relevant back then, but as of now, I don't think it say us much.

[scenic thicket]

dawn. maybe dusk for blackbeard

devils a good one 2

[opal sparrow]

I chose dreams cuz inherited dreams and Blackbeard speech to luffy during jaya

[scenic thicket]

u got a panel when they go underwater?

[opal sparrow]

Or devil cuz of devil fruit and enemies of celestial dragon

[opal sparrow]

What I mean was when they got the one piece and they were travelling back they went understand and heard the sea kings taking

[scenic thicket]

ya ig tht, it’s why nico is called a devil child and oars is considered a devil bc he could move islands which is what the CDs didn’t want

[opal sparrow]

I assume they were going back to the grandline or east blue to drop off roger

[scenic thicket]

right, when he learned abt shirahoshi. i think i’m mixing up when tht was

[stark tundra]

wait for it wait for it

OHARA THEORY!!

[weary cliff]

This was them crossing the redline prior to going to Laugh Tale

[opal sparrow]

But after they cross they found zou and wano ponygylph. Then found the one piece. Then we see dem travelling again thru the redline and right after that they disbanded and dropped off roger

[weary cliff]

Oh gotcha. I'm curious what the implications of that are. Like it could be that it was easier to go back through paradise to drop people off. Or LT was in paradise the whole time

[opal sparrow]

I also saw a theory that says since Oda likes playing with parallels but making them opposite, maybe someone reached Laughtale before he did, but came to a different conclusion. Much to like Rayleigh was alluding to in Sabaody. This one theory stated maybe ROCKS got there years before Roger, but instead of laughing, was angry at what he found, and what he found out about the true history. And maybe that’s why he’s hellbent on destroying the WG and becoming King of the world. He probably thought he’d be Joyboy, and try to will HIS will during his lifetime, but knew he wasn’t the one

[gusty cobalt]

now that yamato aint a tiger, we could have tiger-man right? it makes sense that the tiger will fight against the dragon

[valid dagger]

Gear 5 time? Tiger on island where he train and he copy animals?

[cedar sinew]

he never copied them, he just practiced against them cuz they're massive

[valid dagger]

Elephant gun

Snake man

[grizzled fog]

Tigerman is more likely to be a new G4 form. And there’s also a gator, lion and gorilla on that island lol. He doesn’t copy them

[cedar sinew]

what about elephant gun and snake man

theyre just named after animals

you think an elephant punches like that?

[valid dagger]

So you think that animal of island don't have to do with his attacks and gear

[cedar sinew]

also the ray training scene was specifically mentioned when he first used boundman

which has nothing to do with animals

I mean maybe it influenced his naming

[echo sandal]

Man This ohara recent theory blew my mind

[valid dagger]

Chek which animals were on island, and what missing

[grizzled fog]

Gorilla, alligator, lion…

[gusty cobalt]

yea, the 4th form of g4

wait is the 4th right?

[grizzled fog]

Yes

[reef solstice]

I've rewatched oharas vid a few times and though i dont claim to be an expert on japanese wordplay with numbers some of his deductions seem to be a stretch, perhaps someone can fill in on the matter here. Some points raised were definitely interesting tho like binks's sake potentially hinting at the ancient kingdom and that painting by that woman at dressrosa

[gusty cobalt]

which video

[reef solstice]

Ohara's latest one

Sth abt greatest one piece theory

[river flame]

df man ohara's theory was like the explanation to the ending

[flat panther]

https://twitter.com/Chiji_/status/1421062825380925444?s=09

Benj (@Chiji_)

Luffy, Marco, Yamato, Momo and Tama embody the tale of Momotaro. The boy w kibidango that acquired the help of a monkey, pheasant and dog went on to defeat the ogres of Onigashima, the island of demons. Zoro and Kaido embody the Tiger vs Dragon Buddhist symbolism of yin and yang.

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Twitter · Jul 30, 2021, 10:59 AM

Thoughts would Oda actually make zoro defeat main villian...

[grizzled fog]

Nah

Highly unlikely

Iirc it’s been quite a while since zoro has even been represented as a tiger. He’s more of a shark now, Fujitora is a tiger though. I’d say the tiger vs dragon stuff will come in the form of Tigerman G4 if anything

[proud crystal]

maybe they assume it's a fashion statement? plus if skypiea's supposed to be a myth, maybe the wings aren't well known
or maybe he's only part skypiean?
has it been confirmed hes from there?

[neon shoal]

I know
doesnr make much sense
People are saying “sky island is a myth” or “skypeia doesnt exist” when one of supernova is evidence skyedia exist because came from skypeia

[rough fiber]

no one knows that guy

only govt and some pirates

They didnt get them wings in the frame though

[gray lily]

[neon shoal]

People should be able to know about all of the supernova because pirate that made over 100,000,000 should well known because pirate have to do somethkng serious to have bounty over 100 million berries.

Pirates that made over 100 million berries should mention in newspaper

[grizzled fog]

Probably not no. And Urouge doesn’t even seem to be from a skypeia himself, he’s from a different island. Also it’s not bad lol. Even people that are aware of a pirate named Urouge might not be aware he has wings, and even then those could be viewed as accessories. Not necessarily a person that actually came from the sky lol, they’d have no reason to believe that

[gusty kiln]

probably not it has to be luffy or momo maybe

[neon shoal]

But luffy’s special case because world government made sure the newspaper doesnt mention luffy, a pirate, defeating one of royal warlord and instead world government raised luffy’s bounty to 100,000,000 berries without any mention of why luffy bounty increase

[flat panther]

Hmm, the significance of kaidos defeat I don't think Anyone other then those 2 could do it in terms of story progression wise

[sand sail]

Luffy wouldn't be a special case, he'd be known worldwide after Enies Lobby

[neon shoal]

No i mean after luffy defeated crocodile

[eternal cave]

Urouge is from a Sky Island 100%, maybe hes not from Skypiea specifically but hes from a Sky Island.

[neon shoal]

The world government covered any information pf luffy defeating crocodile and instead raised luffy bounty to 100,000,000 berries

[sand sail]

Yeh, he'd have gone into Sabaody well known as a supernova though, his bounty was pushing almost legend status with how high it was so fast

[gusty kiln]

Yeah I agree

[sand sail]

Crocodile was covered up, but Enies Lobby put him on the map

[grizzled fog]

Sky island was a typo mb. I meant he’s not from skypeia, seems to be birkan

[neon shoal]

Indeed

[tawdry bramble]

It’s wild how weak crocodile was compared to the other warlords and then gets repowered up during his jail break.

I wonder if his willpower/haki came back after being given a second chance.

[proud crystal]

i'm certain of it

[spare spire]

Crocodile wasn't weak. He only lost bc Luffy used water. He could probably beat a few of the warlords

[wild notch]

Didn’t crocodile have awakening

[tawdry bramble]

No chance he was beating Kuma/Mihawk/Boa/ Jimbei / Doflamingo

[spare spire]

He can beat boa. He probs won't be affected by her charms so he stands a good fight

[tawdry bramble]

He also would get his ass beat by his replacement.

[spare spire]

Beats buggy, probably moria

[tawdry bramble]

Boa has super strong haki and one shot pacifistas. Absolutely not.

So no he was absolutely the weakest warlord at the time.

Luffy needed gear 2 and 3 and 100 shadows to win against moriah.

[spare spire]

His ability is strong af. youre underrating sand

[grizzled fog]

He didn’t need 100 shadows to win against Moria himself.

But yea every warlord other than Moria and buggy outclasses crocodile significantly unfortunately

[spare spire]

Croc probs can give a good fight with Jinbe.

[junior cape]

Crocodile got where he was by being a clever bastard with good powers, and nobody could fight him in the pre-timeskip era

[rare rose]

Buggy strongest warlord

[junior cape]

Buggy failed upwards his whole life after meeting Luffy

[rare rose]

Buggy is the next yonkou

[junior cape]

if Enel vs. Crocodile happened, Enel would win by turning Crocodile into glass

also i wouldn't put it past crocodile to know Haki by now

guy's smart, could probably put it together

[modest skiff]

I like this a lot. The chemist in me feels warm right now

[junior cape]

well let's be real

[modest skiff]

If crocodile doesn't know haki by now he deserves whatever glass he turns into

[junior cape]

enel is lightning made human, crocodile is made of sand. When lightning hits sand, you're left with a glass crater

[modest skiff]

I have enjoyed any slight application in chemistry in one piece and that would be on my list too

[junior cape]

However, Enel would lose to a lot of New World fighters, simply because his immortality complex would hinder his judgement in the face of armament haki

[worldly anvil]

Just saw Ohara theory video.... I don't know what to make of it, it's make so much senses but I also feels like it's make too much senses

[junior cape]

brain = hurty

[scenic thicket]

buggy’s the real captain usopp

[junior cape]

buggy got kicked in the balls in East Blue, and then chased a vendetta into the Grand Line, went to prison, and subsequently had his past revealed in the middle of a war to become a warlord. Dude's not smart

[scenic thicket]

so the real captain usopp

[junior cape]

yes

except less impressive in every way