manga-theories

[fathom matrix]

So maybe some do just live on her island, but she can't have anymore kids

[visual merlin]

Then that would just means she needs a skypeian

[fathom matrix]

out of the 3 remaining races?

So we have king's, giants and a skypian?

[visual merlin]

sure that could be it

assuming King isn't any sort of skypeian

[fathom matrix]

The 3 species of people in the sky do differ

[visual merlin]

Close enough that I think BM could just consider them all skypeians

[fathom matrix]

like, bryken, skypien and shandorian have different wings, so they would count as a different race

[fathom matrix]

yeah, she may not know the difference and just only care they're from the sky

[waxen dust]

I would say if King is from a Sky Island then it would likely be from Birka. Especially if Enel destroyed and wiped them all out. Then it would make sense for him to be a rare specie.

[cloud saddle]

So this theory is pretty much in the bin right now, right?
AB=Brook
CD=Chopper
EF=Franky
GH=???
IJ=Jinbe
KL=Luffy
MN=Nami
OP=???
QR=Robin
ST=Sanji
UV=Usopp
WX=???
YZ=Zoro

Unless Yamato / Carrot not join. I saw that people are trying to fill it in with staff like "White Rabbit" Carrot, to fit for WX 😆

[fathom matrix]

maybe, like possibly Big Mom thought that when Birka got destroyed, all sky races probably lived there and assumed King was the only suvivor

[visual merlin]

this was a theory?

[waxen dust]

Possibly, but that would only factor if she never knew sky islands do exist prior. I am sure she does know tho

[mystic berry]

Which Straw Hats do you guys believe are the most likeliest to die, and which are the likeliest to live (before the end of the series)?

Personally I think Luffy and Zoro are the likeliest to die as they've experienced the most close to death scenes and they have on several occasions shortened their lifespans (especially for Luffy)

[lunar shell]

Luffy will most certainly die in the end

[pure raven]

no one

[mystic berry]

I think Brook is the likeliest to live since it would feel pretty pointless to make an biologically immortal character only to kill them off later. Also I love the theory that he will be the only survivor playing Binks Sake at all their graves so I would want him to live

[mystic berry]

If Oda's usage of death continues to be non existent, then possibly yeah

[pure raven]

an end without a complete crew sailing in the " all blue" would be meaningless and illogical , imagine them sailing happy in all blue for the first time without one of there nakama , seriously i cant conceive it

[safe plover]

I’d cry to death if Ussop died before that

[weary cliff]

So the real answer is every SH except Brook

[mystic berry]

That's true. However I was thinking more along the lines of the straw hats dying after this moment, possibly in a timeskip. Such as the theory of One Piece ending with all the straw hats buried with Brook being the only survivor, telling the tale of the straw hats pirates

[mystic berry]

If that theory happens to come true then yes. I think that would be the ideal ending too, though I'm not sure it's the likeliest ending

[pure raven]

yeah possible

[waxen dust]

Here’s an interesting scenario: I could see Blackbeard stealing Brook’s DF. Especially if it gives you a second chance at life.

[dense wing]

Going for it or making a comment about how good Brook’s fruit is, sure. Actually stealing it no

[waxen dust]

I am in agreement with that considering BB is likely not factoring him dying any time soon. But I definitely think BB could make use of it for personal gains if he really wanted to pursue that fruit

[lost moat]

Yo this just some dumb shit I thought of while ingesting Devil Fruit Mono mono no Smoke, but something I can totally see the World Government doing is somehow turning Roger and maybe even Whitebeards bodies into some kind of controlled dead person, or cyborg to try to crush the Pirate Spirit. Just a dumb idea, but would see the World Government doing it.,

Its really dumb, but would love to hear what some of you guys think about it?

[safe plover]

Haha no hate but it’s dumb but also a nice theory

I haven’t seen any like those before

[pure raven]

They already become bones roger his skull is in a tavern if I remember right

Sometimes theories here go beyond exaggeration

[lost moat]

I didn't know it was in a Tavern? That seems like a really specific and weird thing to be in just a Tavern tho

[weary cliff]

I can barely remember a bar in Loguetown, but I can't remember if that was even canon or the anime filler

[terse olive]

hello

[pure raven]

What the fuck is this

[safe plover]

It’s something theorists use to predict the new straw hat

[pure raven]

Oh god

[weary cliff]

As far as resurrecting dudes like that, maaaaaybe if the kage kage no mi gets put to use by BB then we will see something like that in the final conflict. But it sure would feel a bit #other-series

[pure raven]

So it's O-tama

[safe plover]

Roger bar? The old man that met Roger before he sailed to the grand line

[waxen dust]

it’s filler, BUT such a badass scene

[safe plover]

I loved that scene

I didn’t know it was filler 🥲

[lost moat]

Dude if its filler then the government has to have Rogers body or something. That would be sick for them to do something with it.

[weary cliff]

This is the prize Blackbeard is sailing for. 20 year old corpse

[cyan berry]

The only fruit we've seen that is able to mess with corpses has been Moriahs

And I highly doubt Moriah would cooperate with the world government on anything

Considering they tried having him assassinated and all

[queen arrow]

1- the fuck is a mono mono no Smoke, 2- they chopped Roger's head off and he's been dead for more than 20 years at this point and i doubt they'd preserve it, 3- Whitebeard's grave is hidden, 4- at least you admit it's really dumb, so props

[weary cliff]

Kizaru's secret stash

[lost moat]

The forbidden Devil Fruit

[queen arrow]

what

[lost moat]

it means marijuana it was a One Piece way of saying it that was also PG-13 I was trying to be fun.

[weary cliff]

Cannabinoids

[lost moat]

I do like Kizaru's Secret Stash tho thats pretty good im keeping that one.

[queen arrow]

!theories

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using #manga-theories for any joke theories you may have. This channel is strictly for serious discussion on the realm of possibilities one truly believes in, and can explain in a manner that conveys why. Please consider this a general warning.

[grizzled fog]

They chopped his head off?

[queen arrow]

with swords, at his execution

[grizzled fog]

Thought it was impalement

[lost moat]

I mean it wasn't a joke theory, im saying its dumb but I was 100% serious.

[queen arrow]

you can't expect me to believe you believe in that

[pliant bramble]

Okay hear me out, Bartholomew Kuma is a cyborg with a devil fruit right? And since his cyborg operation he was given a misson command to protect the Thousand Sunny. Well, since being a cyborg with a computerized brain mostly likey could he blantantly awaken his devil fruit in a matter of seconds?

[weary cliff]

The executioners had giant pikes, yeah

[queen arrow]

we don't know if that's how awakening works

[lost moat]

Whats to stop the World Government who already knows how to make People androids from turning a dead body into a cyborg to use as a message. Its not a far reach, and while the idea is dumb, it would be kinda cool story wise for not only Luffy, but even Shanks to see their old Hero now turned into something that would normally disgust them.

[queen arrow]

those just look like big swords to me

[grizzled fog]

I don’t think it’s practical to have both of them beheading at the same time, think they just impaled him

[queen arrow]

this doesn't seem like a good position for impaling someone

[queen arrow]

i might have misread what you said, my bad, but still, it's been many years since Roger died, and they didn't have cyborg technology at the time so it's unlikely they preserved it

[pure raven]

Its implied to be beheading cause they did a chopping motion

[queen arrow]

in fact, the goverment hates Roger so much it wouldn't surprise me if they threw his body in a blender after the execution or smth

[grizzled fog]

Where do we see a chopping motion in the manga

[queen arrow]

i think it's the shunk noise

[lost moat]

Idk tho. Someone that revered and a man of the letter D, I bet they would want to keep it or find a way to extract something from it, perhaps even if its the disease roger had.

[sand sail]

There's no motion, it just says that's what they do

[queen arrow]

also, they where holding their blades in a very similar way during Ace's execution

[sand sail]

The first line in the manga is about how they cut off his head lol

[lost moat]

Actually yeah Vega-punk would definitely want Rogers body for the disease and researching the Genetic marker stuff in the D line.

[sand sail]

But, the anime depicted it as impalement I believe

[queen arrow]

oh yeah it says there they lopped his head of

[sand sail]

Vegapunk probably wouldn't care for Roger's body

[queen arrow]

was Punk even with the WG at the time of Roger's death

[grizzled fog]

Don’t think so

[sand sail]

He probably was, depends on whether or not the Numbers are his

If they are, then yeah he was with them back then

[queen arrow]

i think he might have joined a bit after?

[grizzled fog]

Do we know when he was arrested by the government?

[queen arrow]

i don't remember the timeline exactly

anyway, the marines have an unit of executioneers with big swords

[weary cliff]

RIP that must be anime infuence since they stabbed him in the flashback. Maybe a censor issue

[queen arrow]

why do they have swords this big

[weary cliff]

Since they're just ceremonial, you can go all out. They make for an imposing image after all

[lost moat]

Also maybe wrong place for this, but I have a question who is the second person born they talked about in the distant sea in the Roger flashbacks?

[queen arrow]

we don't know for sure, maybe Luffy

[weary cliff]

Luffy, it would appear

[queen arrow]

the legend of Poseidon that the royal family of FMI knew also mentioned that someone would come along to guide the princess to use the power for good

[queen arrow]

not the place to ask for that

[vale arrow]

Where would I ask?

And sorry

[queen arrow]

i don't know, but this channel isn't the place

[vale arrow]

Okay sorry bout that I though this was just manga at first

[dusky acorn]

If the Red Hairs had intent to kill as they've been established to have towards someone harming their friends, I can't offer a specific scenario on how Kid would have escaped that kind of fate they should have been trying to give him with all those scars, but then again I don't think we need one.

Escaping an Emperor and/or their forces may typically be quite difficult, but there's at least plenty of precedence for Supernova to have done so in the series. Apoo, Urouge, Bege, etc. We can probably be fine with just concretely establishing that he did in fact give them the slip through passing dialogue by the Red Hairs saying it, if the two crews ever reunite.

[deep pond]

So what do we think Yamato's fruit is?

I have seen a couple theories but considering there is already a human-human fruit, he kinda looks like he could be a sulong. Maybe a Mink-Mink: model Sulong?

[wicked grove]

I think it’s a Qilin/Kirin

It is said a Qilin appears with the imminent arrival or passing of a sage or illustrious ruler. It’s described to look formidable but also be a guardian to those who are good.

[gusty cobalt]

i dont think so

it has already appeared in wano (Hawkins' mount) seems that oda already used this artifice

[deep pond]

My issue with the Kirin is the chinese origin and Wano being more tied to Edo period Japan.

[gusty cobalt]

id say yamato is a kitsune

[deep pond]

Kitsune is already done

[weary cliff]

Kirin is hugely relevant to Japan, they have a ton of their mythos borrowed from china. Including Kaido's fruit

[gusty cobalt]

nop. there are more than one

[deep pond]

multiple kitsune devil fruits? nahhh

[weary cliff]

It's clearly not a kitsune just from looking at Yamato, anyways

[gusty cobalt]

it actually seems like one of them. i don't remember the name

i really don't think it's a mink but who knows

[weary cliff]

Kirin checks all the boxes, I don't see any reason to make it complicated

[deep pond]

I like the Amaterasu theory too

[weary cliff]

Amaterasu has cool themes with sun and all, but she's not an animal

[deep pond]

She had animal forms

[pseudo citrus]

I've been reading comments on Japanese youtube, and they make some pretty good/funny points... like:

"why does the phantom beast have to have 〇〇, when the same chapter has a flying triceratops"
"In the world of One Piece, 'Phoenix that emits blue flames and heals wounds' and 'Big Buddha that emits shock waves from his hands' are accepted, so it's Mr. Oda's mischief."```So it seems they're having trouble making predictions as well ![MsAllSundayLol](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/749170471689519174.webp?size=128 "MsAllSundayLol")

[green roost]

Mr. Oda's mischief

[tired osprey]

seems like the common japanese really doesnt know more about the kirins than what we do lmao

[weary cliff]

Like a snake, and that's a stretch from her commonly understood depiction

[deep pond]

Another tradition of the Heavenly Cave story depicts Amaterasu as a "dragon-fox" (shinko or tatsugitsune)

[lyric forge]

Do you guys think that laboon and his pod will reunite and destroy the red line making the all blue?

Sorry if someone already thought that

[weary cliff]

Well. They are just whales. However, ancient weapons exist

[eternal cave]

In case anyone wants a source or some lore dump for this theory.

[spare adder]

It would be interesting if luffy fights with shanks against blackbeard, but shanks dies, so he returns the straw hat to the makino's son who we could theorize as shanks son

[wicked grove]

The huge problem too with Yamato’s df is I can’t really tell whether that was a hybrid or base animal form

Hybrid makes it much harder to tell

[weary cliff]

Being humanoid is a pretty big tell it was hybrid

But with mythical types, you never can know

[grizzled fog]

Quite sure that was hybrid tbh, plus I don’t think Yamato woudlve lasted that long against kaido in full beast

[strong knoll]

So makino son will be next pirates king?

[strong knoll]

No
It will be done with some ancient weapon

[pure raven]

actually fuck

if the checkered fate thing actually work out; that may actually straight up destroy the redline

[sand robin]

Destroying red line and make all blue is classic theory

[modest skiff]

So I feel like hybrid has been clearly stronger than other forms based on what people say and do. There hasn’t been some SBS clarifying relative power or anything, right? Just curious if we have anything official or just inference

[grizzled fog]

Nah but we have quite a lot of examples of people using hybrid when they get serious and showing it to be more effective in single combat. Queen went hybrid when he got serious, page one, who’s who, Sasaki, kaido, lucci. That’s not to say they’re better in every way however, human forms are generally probably faster/more mobile, and full beast forms usually have more raw strength, it’s just that hybrid seems to almost always be the best balance of both, making them the best for serious combat.

[dusky acorn]

It's all inference. There's still an argument I even see for full zoans having more strength, but I think generally hybrid being the stronger form overall has more ground to stand on

Yeah, and not only have people like Queen and Kaido chose to go in hybrid after their full zoan showcase, but there's even been exclamations by characters surrounding them about it, like it's a particularly big deal

[grizzled fog]

Definitely don’t think it’s always superior in every single way, for instance. I’d say Kaido’s dragon form has greater destructive power and durability most likely. But overall, hybrid is superior for combat I think

[dusky acorn]

Yeah, it's reasonable that they can perhaps give more toughness cause like, more thickness of hide/scales or whatever, along with a greater range of destruction with their bigger size

But like, for anyone who has any semblance of martial arts (Who's Who, Lucci), or someone that wields a sword or weapon, (Drake, Kaido, Queen, Yamato, etc), hybrids should always be better for duels and stuff of the like

So they can actually utilise those things to their fullest

[grizzled fog]

Think a good way to summarize it on average is that it combines mobility and speed of human form with raw strength and power from beast form

[gusty cobalt]

this. that's it

[real cairn]

wonder what makes luffy conclude that being a pirate king makes you the freest man

just a random thought lol

[modest skiff]

nod my impression is that Kaido likely generates the most power in some kinda single “punch” in his dragon form, but in terms of a fight, he would never win due to mobility and speed, sounds like we have the same impression.

Wonder if CoC works in the full dragon form. Probably does. Would be interesting if it required being not transformed or at least not fully.

[modest skiff]

Good point though I honestly assumed advanced zoan users would likely develop their own martial arts for their specific form. I think it mainly comes down to mobility. You want the power boost but you don’t benefit from just making out power. Hybrid form is a good combat form

[smoky basin]

pirates dont have to follow rules, they have no expectations and they dont really have to answer to anyone.

[real cairn]

i get that part

Pirates are all free indeed

[modest skiff]

I think there’s a whole other level of freedom we aren’t considering

[real cairn]

but what makes pirate king the "freest" among all pirates 🤔

i mean to luffy's perspective aight hahaha ik the pk title has so much power

[smoky basin]

im not really sure how luffy sees it, and tbh i cant even begin to think with his mindset

[smoky basin]

please do explain, im interested now

[dusky acorn]

I even think techniques like Gagan or Fang Flash for Who's Who's case would be completely fine in his full Zoan, it's just things like Shigan Spots, Blade Pistol, and maybe even Rokougon for Lucci would be locked out from them and no longer apply. But yeah, the nimbleness hybrid provides is a big thing, directly transfers to overall combat prowess

[oak mural]

honestly the moment u become pirate king u will have more enemies wanting to plunder ypur tresure

[real cairn]

vivi was right she cant read whats on luffy's mind and so do us 😂

[smoky basin]

true but at the same time theres a hell of a lot of people who would be scared and leave you alone

[real cairn]

i just remembered that dream both roger and luffy share but we dont know yet

That might answer it

[sand robin]

Roger basicly find Joy Boy Treasure and known by world as Pirate King

The title itsself is unknown before, Roger is very famous as pirate and maybe just maybe, only Roger is known by entire people on One Piece world

Every children wanna become pirate coz Roger and idolize him

[dusky bane]

Its just my prediction but i feel like that the actual FINAL battle will start after luffy goes to laugh tale and learns the truth of the world. The show wont just end with him laughing at laugh tale like how roger's journey ended. Whatever the strawhats will discover at Laugh Tale will set up the final battle against the world govt.

[modest skiff]

I don’t know yet, but I think his goals are higher than we would really think of as reasonable

[smoky basin]

if im being completely honest, i dont think luffy has goals

[real cairn]

agree to this and it was hinted in whitebeard's final words

[smoky basin]

like yeah he wants to be the pirate king but i guarantee you he hasnt thought out anything after that

[sand robin]

Roger laugh coz he realizes that his time is up even he knew the secret of the world

He knew somebody will carry on joy boy Will and its not him

[modest skiff]

If I had to guess what his dream is that Roger shared:

1. all islands as a single island so everyone lives together

2. travel to either the moon or the sun

I think either of these could be understood to be a form of freedom. All islands as one is essentially freedom from isolation

[sand robin]

Laugh = Death, maybe Roger realize aftee found secret at Laught Tales he gonna dies

[dusky bane]

also the "incomplete" truth we learnt in the Ohara flashback about the void century clearly tells us that the world govt is the oppressor and since every arc is luffy basically freeing the people from the oppressors I think the sames gonna happen when luffy learns the complete truth. Lets just hope he doesnt fall asleep when robins reading the laugh tales poneglyph lol.

[sand robin]

If entire island is one, there will be no one become pirate, the freedom of adventure is gone coz u cant find happiness from find another island

[real cairn]

robin did said in wano that she knows luffy is not interested in those things 😂

[dusky bane]

Maybe thats why sabo has to die(or atleast something really bad happens to him like becoming a slave) in mariejois so as to give luffy a grudge against the world govt?

[sand robin]

Luffy maybe doest know what pirate king is, he just wanna be like roger and known by world

And remember he wanna return the straw hat to Shank, and become pirate king is the proof that he can return it to shank

[real cairn]

agree to everything except "known by world" i dont think he's after fame

[sand robin]

Oda will not kill same character twice, sabo is created coz ace is so popular

[real cairn]

the whole "i wanna be the pirate king" might be just by spurt of moment coz he wanna impress shanks when he was a kid

[dusky bane]

thats why im leaning towards him becoming a slave or somethin because if he gets captured by the navy that would be just repetitive writing

[sand robin]

Maybe every child is wanna be Pirate king like roger, but only Luffy is very spoken about that, every moment he said it very loud and wanna become pirate king

[dusky bane]

Has luffy got sabo's vivre card?

[sand robin]

The interesting fact why revolution army doest have bounty like pirate ?

[dusky bane]

they do. the bounties of the four captains were revealed in the latest vivre card.

[sand robin]

Owh maybe i miss that

[dusky bane]

tbh Im still to this day most curious about what the hell happened to Enel??!!

[real cairn]

i dont think so??? sabo got luffy's

[sand robin]

Enel will comeback with his robot army at final wars

[dusky bane]

oh ok

[real cairn]

he's in the moon right?? Enel will def come back

Some say he's in wano lol

[dusky bane]

Will literal gods be introduced in one piece?

[dusky bane]

definitely not in wano lol

[real cairn]

sun god alr introduced i would not be surprised

[sand robin]

The weird situasion is , mink tribe secret with moon, and enel at moon, are there any secret about moon that make mink have sulong mode power ?

[dusky bane]

jimbei got real pissed off when WW disrespected him so im assuming he's gonna be a very prominent figure in the future

[modest skiff]

My theory is that his entire moon adventure is because he’s a Wano-weeb and has some kind of desire to help Wano

[sand robin]

Mink tribe have connections with sky objects, Uranus have connections with sky, are mink tribe is basicly Uranus ?

And luffy have allies with them basicly make luffy have Uranus

[dusky bane]

I think Momonosuke is the final piece of the puzzle, Uranus.

[sand robin]

Why momo is uranus?

[sand robin]

Jinbe is piss off coz WW said slave to him, there are some forbidden word for fishman that make them have uneasy feeling

[dusky bane]

just like how poseidon aka the mermaid princess can talk to the sea kings, momo can talk/tame beasts like zuneisha and in the latest chapters he's talking about he definitely must not die after reading oden's journel

[real cairn]

but doffy said something about marie jois hiding some powerful weapon

do yall think its one of the ancient weapons?

[dusky bane]

luffy can hear monsters like zuneisha, sea kings, etc. but momo properly conversed/ordered zuneisha

[sand robin]

I read somewhere that zuneisha punishment is connect with kozuki clan

Maybe only true kozuki have power to control zuneha

Zunesha destroying red line anyone ?

[real cairn]

but fuji also said vegapunk is almost (?) Or finished a powerful weapon that they dont need the warlords anymore bc of it

[dusky bane]

the "definitely must not die" part can also mean that he HAS to open the doors of wano and welcome the joyboy

[dusky bane]

I can back the destoying red line part but i think its gonna be one of the ancient weapons and not zuneisha

[real cairn]

I think zunesha has its own deal idk just for me tho

[dusky bane]

btw what are your strawhat bounty predictions post wano?

[sand robin]

Zou is walking island, And no one can reach zou if dont have connections from insider

• Law and luffy can reach zou coz bepo
• Oden and roger can reach zou coz they have inu and neko
• Jack can find zou coz kanjuro, and its fault by Luffy bring him to zou

[real cairn]

wait didnt jack invaded zou before even any straw hats went there?

[modest skiff]

There's so many different ways this can go but I will be shocked if it is less than 3B. I think this could end up with Luffy completely annihilating Kaido or it could be some kind of weird draw chaos sort of thing like MF. I won't be surprised if he walks out 4B+ if he has some kinda major, conclusive falcon punch on either Kaido or BM. Like if he does what's in the anime intro, I think that's 4B right there

[sand robin]

The possibility is Jack have Raizou Vivre card, its accidentally jack found Zou

[real cairn]

i still think its too early to say 🤷‍♀️

[pseudo citrus]

something I've been wondering about lately, and sorry if this has come up before, but: Jinbe showed up basically 2 weeks late in in-universe time... so is there a chance that he's heard about the drama at the reverie but is just holding back? would he even know about luffy's relationship with vivi/sabo?

[modest skiff]

I get where you’re coming from but based on what we know, Jinbei was not taking his time. He had mission critical work to do and it needed to wait for him. It’s totally possible he never picked up a newspaper. Wisdom would indicate picking up a paper is always worth it in one piece. Jinbei is wise. I think he knows

I could imagine him literally just swimming around doing everything he needed and immediately leaving though. I still think reading the paper is always smart and so if I had to guess, he knows, but I could imagine him not knowing

[sand robin]

Jinbe is fighting big mom, u can imagine how much damaged he received, maybe he mourning some of his crew or he got injured , and two week delay is reasonable for him to catch up Luffy

[pseudo citrus]

just makes it even worse not knowing how he got away from WCI

well, he said he had a big party with all the sun pirates, right? so he wasn't in that much of a hurry lol

[modest skiff]

I wonder what this really meant though. I squinted my eyes when I read that. Could have been a raid

[real cairn]

ohh this he def knows about luffy and sabo coz in that one ch cover, he was reading a newspaper after the whole dressrosa fiasco

[modest skiff]

I think once a fishman is in water, it’s gg. You won’t catch them. So he just needed to somehow make it to water

[sand robin]

The biggest mystery is Big Mom roulette to Jinbe, its happened off screen, no one knew what happened

[real cairn]

i think it was mentioned that he back out? i forgot the exact details but im sure it was mentioned in wci

[proven igloo]

his soul could not be taken because he had no fear of big mom

[sand robin]

So big mom just release him and not kill him ?

[proven igloo]

the rule was the roulette and he passed it so he left the crew according to the rules she could not do anything maybe.

[weak heath]

What if god valley went missing due to a knock up stream

Maybe it even got sent to the moon

[robust sky]

gear 4 focues only on muscles, as what luffy mentioned "muscles balloon" who come the bones grow larger if only the muscles was being blown with air??
How?

[modest skiff]

One of my hopes is that one of the ancient "weapons" is actually purely defensive in the form of an evacuation device. Since we feel pretty good about what Pluton and Poseiden are, I think most people feel like all that leaves is Uranus. I'm not sure I buy that, so I went back to where Robin says there are 3 weapons (chapter 650) and I am wondering if there are only 3. I think its entirely possible a lot of people think there are only 3. Perhaps Shanks/Gorosei have known there are actually more than 3 for a long time. Perhaps BB recently learned of a 4th one. Open question to everyone: Who do we trust the most to tell us there are only 3? Is this already debunked?

[weak heath]

Maybe the poneglyph robin read about pluton mentions it being one of 3

[robust sky]

haki was added when using gear 4, that is why we see his arms stretch longer and have stronger power

[modest skiff]

I could imagine a glyph only describing 3 of them but it not meaning there are only 3 total

[weak heath]

Yeah there could be another one

But I’m just gonna assume there’s 3

[brisk jungle]

Blackbeard is going to whole cake island. He will take her polyglpyh. Katakuri will try to stop them. He will put up a good fight. But he will lose. Burgess will take his fruit(he wanted luffys so this the next best thing). He will then intercept kaido on his ship and destroy them since they weakened. Take his polyglpyh. And his fruit(strongest zoan) He will also kidnap puddin He killed the worlds strongest men. And the worlds strongest creature

[modest skiff]

I like this up until the Kaido part. I don't think the WG will have control of Kaido at end of arc

[brisk jungle]

Hmmmm

[proven igloo]

isn't katakuri in onigashima

[brisk jungle]

The ultimate cyborg

[brisk jungle]

No we haven’t seen him

[modest skiff]

I don't think Kaido is leaving Wano for a while, if he survives. I think Kaido will survive and he will not be killed in the immediate future but he will be under the control of Luffy/Wano in some form or another, whether alive or otherwise. The WG simply doesn't have the firepower to get control of Kaido. CP0 appears insufficient. Maybe they are very specialized. Guess we know literally nothing about them.

[proven igloo]

well he at least came to wano so most probably he came to onigashima.

[brisk jungle]

It was never said

[median glen]

over/under of yamato becoming a straw hat after this arc ends?

[ancient vault]

never

[brisk jungle]

She will

[proven igloo]

we saw him and perorin on the ship when they were coming up the waterfall

[brisk jungle]

They need another coc user

[brisk jungle]

No we didn’t bro. Or can you show me

[median glen]

I'd say it's low
since if straw hat beats Kaido, as "Oden" she would want to stay and take care of Wano

[proven igloo]

i do not remember the chapter but he was there

[median glen]

but my personal bias says yes

[modest skiff]

Do you guys think BM tried to teach Kata how to use CoC coating?

[proven igloo]

what is CoC

[ancient vault]

????

@proven igloo h isnt

[proven igloo]

what is this CoC

[ancient vault]

Kata stayed back in WCI cause someone has to protect it

[ancient vault]

color of conquerors

[proven igloo]

thnx

[proven igloo]

no

[robust sky]

Tell me your thoughts:

Could be the G5 ( if ever it will be luffy's new power) based on flame attacks or something?
We have seen him use these attacks to kaido right?

He uses two type of these:
Red Roc ( with G3)
Red hawk ( with G2?)

[median glen]

why don't u guys just call it conqueror haki
it's more easily recognizable than calling it color

[robust sky]

Not a strong argument but it just pass my mind 😅
It was also shown with luffy gear 4 boundman with flames around his neck right?

[hazy ferry]

petition for yamato's df to be the neko neko no mi model tama because tama is a legend https://mendekouze.tumblr.com/post/657204816254205952/twimmythebabywitch-surfs-up-shinji

[crude ridge]

without context people are gonna think about tama

[pure raven]

Interesting name for a cat

[fleet echo]

Garbage theory, Mihawk is loosely related to Im. Proof? trust me bro (no concrete stuff aside from the eyes, a preference for solitude, has a straw hat and like gardening/farming, uses a sword.)

[pure raven]

Caribou is connected to imu! Just look at the eyes!!!

[grizzled fog]

The eyes are literally the only connection and it’s not much of one, but I don’t get how the strawhat and the use of a sword is supposed to connect them at all?

[fleet echo]

like I said, garbage theory, funnily enough, Imu and Mihawk have similar traits regardless

[fleet echo]

Imu has a giant strawhat in a vault, Mihawk has a strawhat and wears it while farming (which was an unexpected hobby)

[grizzled fog]

Oh THAT lmao. I wouldn’t use a cover page as even the slightest bit of evidence lol

[pure raven]

Mugiwara no mihawk

[fleet echo]

If you ask me, many covers are canon and are used for mini-story telling, like Caribou's bizarre adventures, or Ace's for that matter, sometimes it just point out what's going on with x character, example with wapol, vivi or baby 5

[amber oar]

that's not a theory, that is a known fact. Well, not any cover, just the mini stories

[robust sky]

yeah i agree with u

[amber oar]

in particular that one with Mihawk is part of a cover story, they're reading the news about Luffy's bounty post Dressrosa

[fleet echo]

and yeah, it was an unexpected hobby he got there.

[hazy ferry]

no other tama exists other then tama the train cat god

[opal sparrow]

Heard there’s a theory of Blackbeard being 3 people in 1

Hence why his Jolly Roger is 3 skulls

[glad rain]

Cover pages are fan service sketches "mostly"

[pure raven]

An old one, the thing is, if it's true where are the 2 others?
Supposition : hidden with his darkness DF?
->that wouldn't be possible because before him having his devil fruit we only saw one person through the story from young with WB pirate to old before skypea.
Then is it possible he called his 2 other twins after getting his devil fruit? Then used his devil fruit power on them? Are they still alive ?
I think this theory is a litle too ambiguous. We have so litle element, this theory is based mainly on the flag + the fact he has 2 devil fruit, it's too little to determine if there is some possibility

[glad rain]

I think he is referring to that moment in Mock Town where Luffy and Zoro explain to Nami that he is more than one person.

Before he even got the DF, or at least show us that he had ate it.

[agile tangle]

?

[pure raven]

@glad rain I think in mock town he already ate the devil fruit cause if I remember right he was being chassed by ace, at that moment so there is some possibilities

[agile tangle]

How did they know that Blackbeard was more than one person?

[glad rain]

True, he was already forming his crew which means he had left the WB pirates.

[pure raven]

No one knows lol, what even they mean by they in the first place?
They could be 3 person in one body but, what I mean by 3 person = 3 spirit not 3 body.
How can they feel it, maybe due to zoro and luffy having conquerors haki? Even if not awakened at that time?

[agile tangle]

Oh

[agile tangle]

So you're saying they can merge into each other?

[pure raven]

Not necessarily, either merging due to his devil fruit.
Or he was born with 3 spirit of 3 person in one body

[glad rain]

They could be talking about him having a crew and not being solo, or smt else more shady.

Which needs more background explanation

[pure raven]

Yeah Nami already said that, but if it was true luffy or zoro would have confirmed Nami

[glad rain]

If you ask me , i think BB is a tube baby with all kinds of experiments done on him.

Trying to see it more rational you start thinking about more logical explanations

[agile tangle]

I think Luffy might casually mention it one day, like when he mentioned that ace's father is Roger

[pure raven]

I think it was more of a feeling from luffy and zoro than a knowing so even zoro and luffy where perhaps not 100% sure

[glad rain]

yeah

or they could just saying that he is fat, cause he ordered like 40 cherry pies xD

[robust sky]

there was another one that it could be he has a zoan devil fruit model is a kraken.

[agile tangle]

They say he ate like some cerebus fruit

[robust sky]

yeah

[agile tangle]

So like he already has three fruits

[robust sky]

yeah, that theory was nice, explaining the jolly roger of BB having 8 bones that cross the 3 skulls
3 skulls could be the 3 hearts of an octopus or something

wait imma find it

[agile tangle]

Alright

[robust sky]

https://www.opfanpage.com/2021/07/12/the-mythical-zoan-devil-fruit-wich-explains-blackbeards-body-structure/ > here hehehe

ring me when you done reading, gonna go back to work hahahah

[glad rain]

There are some plants that have 3 stamens in 1 which means they are 3 plants in 1, There is even a word explainig that. Triandria which literally translates as 3 men in greek.

kind of garbo info but what the heck

[robust sky]

this a nice argument tho, it could be that BB has a different body when he was born.
there are some cases that their are baby born with unique traits right?

[dusky crest]

Tako tako no mi??? Are you joking?!?! I will cut my right arm off if that octopus theory is true.

[glad rain]

i mean... there are documents of people being born with both male and female genitalia

[dusky crest]

Im cerberus theory all the way, octupuses are wayyyy too stupid for a major villian likeblackbeard

[robust sky]

well yeah, i just recently found it hahahah
more like a fish fish no mi: Model: Octopus or something

[dusky crest]

I know op has some childish elements and stuff but no way dude

[robust sky]

hahahahah
yeah but it was fun to read and the elements they show somehow collide but yeah hgahahaha

[dusky crest]

ikr, i find it hard to believe that one of the most hyped up villian's secret to power will be an octupus devil fruit

[dusky crest]

yeah ig, it was interesting but way too far of a reach

[robust sky]

yeah HAHAHAHAHA
hard to swallow hahahah

[robust sky]

this could the closest tho, based on how franco explained that BB body is not ordinary

[glad rain]

i would buy the "he is a punk hazard experiment baby" theory easier than the octopus one

[robust sky]

yeah hahahaha

[pure raven]

No guys you all are wrong

[robust sky]

but the theory was very detailed hahahha
so it was somehow fun to read hahahah

[dusky crest]

???

[glad rain]

We are!

[pure raven]

Wait I search for a page then I will explain myself

[robust sky]

waitin for ya hahaha

[glad rain]

but pages are facts, here we theorize

[robust sky]

gotta go back to work first before my boss could scold me hahahah

[glad rain]

lol

[pure raven]

Read the discussion between baggy and shanks when they were still kids about black beard, black beard was probably like that from when he was kid or from when he was born, his body is special from that time not after he got some devil fruit or after growing

So it's probably related to his natal constitution or some experiments done on him before joining white beard pirate

[robust sky]

i strongly agree with this one

[glad rain]

i'm happy we all agree somehow

[robust sky]

it was your point right? hahahahaha
but please hear this out:

Tell me your thoughts:

Could be the G5 ( if ever it will be luffy's new power) based on flame attacks or something?
We have seen him use these attacks to kaido right?

He uses two type of these:
Red Roc ( with G3)
Red hawk ( with G2?)

Not a strong argument but it just pass my mind 😅
It was also shown with luffy gear 4 boundman with flames around his neck right?

any thoughts? just somehow came in this mind of mine

[dry dirge]

i'm convinced gear 5 will incorporate conqueror's haki tbh

[robust sky]

yeah me too, but the flame on boundman is somehow making feel that it has to do with luffy attacks

[pure raven]

I'm convinced there will never be a gear 5 or atleast for this arc

[glad rain]

i've seen the extra design where you had to find Wally in the last chapter

[dry dirge]

luffy cannot beat Kaido without G5 LOL

[glad rain]

and luffy is doing an elephant gun in flames i think?

[robust sky]

well i don't really put mind to it, just the flames on boundman

[robust sky]

yeah red roc

[glad rain]

Tbh i only like red hawk cause it's Ace's attack and he did it right after we lost the guy

[agile tangle]

Aight I read it

[robust sky]

yeah

[dry dirge]

luffy is going to incorporate conqueror's because Kaido just told him about it

[robust sky]

was it fun? hahahah
it was fun when i read it hahaha

[dry dirge]

aka Oda just told us about it :3

[agile tangle]

It's interesting but I don't understand some parts of it

[robust sky]

yeah, but it was fun reading it, for me tho hahaha

[glad rain]

i still believe he needs a tool much denser than his rubber hands to maximize the ryou abilities

[robust sky]

about the 5G he had mentioned right?

[robust sky]

yeah @pure raven theory you must read it.

[glad rain]

like kaido has his kanabo, Roger his sword, WB his scythe. Something denser and more durable that can withstand the enhancement and deal damage at the same time.

[pure raven]

He already did I think 👍😅

[robust sky]

really? hahahah

[glad rain]

I read @pure raven he was kind enough to mention me i liked it yes

[dry dirge]

Yes

[robust sky]

i hope oda is not goofing us like luffy

[pure raven]

Sincerely I believe more in my first theory about improving gear 2 (being able to not only influence blood but also haki) and use it with gear 4 to solve the haki problem,

[glad rain]

Plus, he won't have to use it all the time, just when fighting someone at a really high level and also uses one. To the very least when we see Luffy taking out his weapon we woul say "oh shit things got serious" 😂

[dry dirge]

There’s literally too much buildup in Wano for Luffy not to do G5. vs Kaido absolutely requires a power up

[glad rain]

Wouldn't the hype be the same even if you saw an old attack getting super upgraded? People got used of gear upgrades no?

[robust sky]

yeah, i think it would be an upgrade if his G2 be infused with CoC haki or something, luffy did mentioned that he uses G4 to fight opponents bigger than him right?

G2 upgraded would be a nice matchup for kaido i think, seeing them find in base form of luffy makes sense

[glad rain]

How did you felt when you saw red hawk for the first time? I still get goosebumps

it was an upgrade of a known move

[robust sky]

i saw ace hahahhaha
felt like he was with him making that move ❤️

[glad rain]

That's right!

[robust sky]

if G2 would be upgraded, it would make sense the japanese drawing of boundman with flames

[pure raven]

After improving Gear 2,
G2 will probably be a support for reducing gear 4 strain on his haki and solve its problem but who knows @robust sky if I'm right or not

[robust sky]

that could be it, luffy tends to find solutions on his attacks right? like the golden ball he had on skypia and the candle of mr3.

[robust sky]

still your theory is plausible, G5 could the the combination of G2 and G3 to make G5

[glad rain]

@pure raven It feels more like a natural progression of his already built up character. It would feel nice at least for me.

[pure raven]

I call that tricks, and I hate when oda use them if he does with kaido I would be disapointed

[robust sky]

wait, did he already did that? G2 and G3 combination against moria?

oww it was just air in his stomach right?

not bones

[pure raven]

Yesterday I read a theory about kaido getting drunk by someone, to weaken him then luffy will fight him in weakned state , this theory is based on a very strong mythic story in Japan which is like what's happening in wano

[glad rain]

It's a greek myth too

[pure raven]

I hope it will not be the case

[glad rain]

When Odysseus fights a giant

[pure raven]

Oh really I don't remember if it Greek or Japan

[robust sky]

i love greek mythology, but i don't read on how they challenge different beings

[pure raven]

Luffy right now is using gear 3 sometimes with gear 4 but never gear 2 with gear 4,
Some says he already using gear 2 with gear due to the steam but I disagree I searched every where I asked a lot of people and read a lot of forum almost every one says gear 4 is not using gear 2

[robust sky]

yea i can agree with you with this, since blood circulation of G2 produce steam, but it was due to high speed circulation of the blood, while G4 is on muscles.

i kinda curious on how it would turn out tho, and the drawback would be very severe

[robust sky]

when did this happen? i can't remember tho

[pure raven]

?

[robust sky]

G3 with G4

[pure raven]

I think it's called king Kong gun go look luffy finishing doflamingo attack

[pure raven]

King Kong Gun

[robust sky]

thanks ❤️

[robust sky]

Very much appreciated hahahaha

[agile tangle]

Do you think Luffy will get a weapon?

Someone said he will get a pole like from sun Wu kong

[robust sky]

hard to picture, but the possibility is there
maybe similar to it or something,
Ask @pure raven, it was his theory

[pure raven]

@agile tangle click on the message

[agile tangle]

Yes I've read it

I think it's gonna happen

[pure raven]

I myself doubt it 😅 but who knows maybe

[ivory quarry]

Zoro cutting whole Onigashima so it doesn't fall on capital

[real cairn]

the only thing weird to me is that last fight of kaido and luffy were basically off screened

[glad rain]

i wouldn't mind even if he broke off a pilar from the castle and broke kaido's head with it just for the lulz, it doesn't mean you get a weapon you have it for life nesessarilly

[real cairn]

homie literally got gassed in the next ch like

[pure raven]

It just oda saving some face for luffy lol 😅it was probably so disgraceful for luffy, one sided fight

[robust sky]

[real cairn]

man got gassed twice alr before that why hide it 😂

[agile tangle]

Theory

This is my first time so it might not be very good.

Everyone knows there are three types of haki. Buso haki generally increases your offence and defense while Observation Haki increases your reaction time thereby increasing your speed. In that case, what does Conqueror's haki increase?

I think that Conqueror's Haki improves your mastery or your power, defined as the ability to generate an outcome, having the authority, being mighty, or moving with force. This is true as we can see that the wiki's definition of conqueror's haki is to overcome the willpower of others. However, what does it mean for coating an item or weapon with it?

I think it means that it increases the driving force behind a weapon and there isn't a mastery in regards to coating your weapon with conqueror's haki. Therefore, the only way to overpower someone with the ability to coat their weapon with conqueror's haki is to have a better weapon or control your weapon with more accuracy, which is why Luffy will get a weapon or Zoro and Luffy will team up to defeat Kaido and Zoro will be able to control Enma.

[fathom matrix]

Personally, I don't think Luffy can improve gears 2 or 3 more, as I think they're both fine, and they're just quick power ups, and yaknow how Luffy keeps winding up his muscles for his gear 4th attacks?

Wouldn't that kinda activate gear second with every punch and kick? I know it's air in his muscles, but there's still got to be blood, so wouldn't it bounce back into his body's circulation? And he's steaming a lot and that can't souly be the air, and considering how huge he is, maybe his blood IS pumping a crap ton because of how big he's gotten, explaining why he's steaming, because Luffy does need blood (hell, he almost died at fishman island)

Plus, snakeman is kinda luffy's stronger gear second

as he even refers to his culverine move in that state as jet culverine

Luffy second against Kaido may be a quick power to save on haki usage, as he's waiting for it to recharge more, and would be useful to speed up attacks as they strike

[weary cliff]

There's really no reason to assume G4 doesn't incorporate G2

[fathom matrix]

I think the steam is like G2, where it's pumping more blood

not as a power up per say, more like he's pumping blood BECAUSE of that huge body and inflated muscles

which explains the steam

and the fact the armament's putting pressure of his muscle tension

[weary cliff]

As Red Blueberg points out, snakeman attacks like jet culverin do imply the use of gear 2. That with the steam we see in the other forms points to Luffy already using improved blood circulation in gear 4

[fathom matrix]

I don't think it's using gear second, more like his jet moves are speed based power ups, and because of snake man's power and speed, he calls some of his move varients jet

[pure raven]

I don't know, if you already know or not, but gear 4 is compressing not the other way so snakeman is a form where his muscle are more compressed than bound man that's why it's faster and slim, not because it's use gear 2, and the steam, up until it's not confirmed the reason but it's not gear 2

[fathom matrix]

like I said, muscle tension, inflated muscles, blood working for more circulation. Gear second is literally Luffy forcefully increacing blood flow for more adrenaline

[weary cliff]

This reads like a non-sequitor

Gear 2 doesn't have anything to do with if he's compressing or anything. It's just a way to boost his body's performance that doesn't interact with whatever body part he's inflating or not

[pure raven]

Yes I agree with that

[weary cliff]

Then what's the arguement against it? What Red says is why G2 is probably in use during G4

[fathom matrix]

Again, I don't think it's being used. I just think the steam comes from the blood being overworked. Like a fat person has high blood pressure, not because they're getting a boost, but their bodies are so huge, their heart's pumping out more blood.

I guess I kinda am saying there's a gear 2nd like aspect, but I doubt he can use it in gear 4th

[weary cliff]

I guess I just don't see the difference. If he's having to overwork his circulatory system to make gear 4 work, it's functionally like using gear 2

[fathom matrix]

Yeah, I think with a smaller body, Luffy can get a better boost with forced circulation, but gear 4th's too big for an extra boost

and it's already doing that for compensation

[fast hedge]

Ok sit down and grab some popcorn for this one.

So we know that Big Mum can manipulate Souls. So what if back in God Valley Big Mum transferred Xebec's soul into Blackbeard which is why Luffy and Zoro said theres more than 1 person back in Jaya as well as Marco saying theres something strange with his body. This is a quite a common theory till now. Since Blackbeard has 3 heads on his jolly roger what if there are 3 people that are living within him.

So the first being Blackbeard the second being Rocks and the third being IMU and that's why Rocks recruited Big Mum because she had that DF so that she can transfer souls but however he realized that he was gonna lose on God Valley so he had Big Mum transfer her soul into Blackbeard.

Imu makes sense imo because what if Imu was Joyboy's rival, Roger had Rocks and now Luffy has Blackbeard and that's why Imu had blackbeard's poster because he knows the original

[fathom matrix]

Huh, that may not be too far of a stretch perhaps?

[fast hedge]

It might be hahahaha

[fathom matrix]

I don't think the soul soul fruit works where it puts in personality or consciousness, that's more with the shadow shadow fruit's power.

But it's not entirely impossible

Like, maybe if you grab the entire soul it could do that

[fast hedge]

Yep something like that it might be interesting

[fathom matrix]

But then wouldn't that mean Teach would have had to have been AT god vally?

[fast hedge]

Yeh it would

He's 40 and god valley was 38 years ago so that makes sense

[fathom matrix]

But then, why wouldn't Linlin take him with her, and wouldn't the marine take a baby/toddler that was on the island?

[fast hedge]

He possibly could have gotten lost in the commotion

[fathom matrix]

In fact, would there have been ANY kids on the island, if it was Rock's soul in there, why wouldn't one of the 3 OG yonko or the marines take a kid with Rock's soul?

[fast hedge]

Bc the island could have collapsed as the process was complete since the island doesnt exist anymore

Also another theory (This is separate from my previous theory):

What if Luffy's DF was previously Rock's DF and that's why the World Government wanted it so badly and punished Who's Who so badly when they didnt care as much about Enies Lobby which is the JUDICIAL island of the world government

[daring prism]

how many acts do you think wano is gonna have? I think 5

we're on act 3 rn and act 3 is usually when big stuff happens

so i think act 4 is gonna be the big fight

and act 5 is the aftermath

[slate moon]

Act 5 is typically very short and the wrap up of opening Wano's borders along with finding out about the outside world plotlines makes sense to me. Also, some plays only have 4 acts so getting 5 is not set in stone either

[crude ridge]

wydm typically??

[steep vigil]

It's not too much of a stretch too say crocodile knows everything about the world government

[weary cliff]

That's gomu gomu awakening levels of stretching

[steep vigil]

I'd be so pissed if the secret about luffys fruit is like a rare ability sort of like the "demon in the mc"

[elfin wasp]

act 3 gone way too long for me to believe act 4 is even happening

[pure raven]

!theories

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using #manga-theories for any joke theories you may have. This channel is strictly for serious discussion on the realm of possibilities one truly believes in, and can explain in a manner that conveys why. Please consider this a general warning.

[pure raven]

[pure raven]

Only 4 acts are pretty rare I think

I believe act 3 will end with the defeat of kaido and end of onigashima raid

But then again, since this is one piece, and not a real kabuki play, I feel like 4 acts is probably what will happen (but low chance cuz kabuki plays don't work like that)

[slate moon]

True and I believe it will be 5 like I mentioned the 5th will be focused on opening Wano's borders and finding out what's been going on with the rest of the world during Wano imo.

[pure raven]

what about act 4 in that case?

The things happening in the rest of the world will NOT be a part of any act. They'll be put in an interlude between two acts OR after the end of wano

[slate moon]

I feel the island falling on the flower capital will signify the end of Act 3, Act 4 is close out of the battles with Kaido and BM separately. Then Act 5 as a mentioned already

[pure raven]

o that sounds perfect

[slate moon]

3rd act always ends in tragedy

[pure raven]

but then we need an interlude/intermission between act 3 and 4

things going on with cobra sabo vivi can be done after onigashima is over, not during onigashima

[slate moon]

Could get a sneak peek at the rest of the world for the interlude and the 5th is mainly Wano focused and finding out who becomes a member of the SHs

[pure raven]

or oda could leave us hanging and switch over to those stuff before returning to wano for act 4

[slate moon]

4th still being the battles between Kaido and BM

[oak mural]

there are 20 more chapters left in wano at max lol

[pure raven]

yes, but what about intermission between 4 and 5

[oak mural]

doubt there would be act4 act 3 itself should be ending with kiados defeat

[pure raven]

I feel like no one will join

yamato wants to join because of false logic and I don't see carrot joining cuz she was defeated offscreen

[slate moon]

It's hard to say either way. Carrot and Yamato both have strong reasons to sail the seas. Carrot for Pedro's will and Yamato for Oden's. But I could see it going with none, one or both. Oda gonna do what Oda wants to do

[visual merlin]

best case scenario both join

[pure raven]

We need one more before the end cuz Luffy said that he wanted 10 crewmates at the start

[modest skiff]

Thought he said at least

[visual merlin]

yea, he said at least or "around", so either way it'll probably be 10+

[pure raven]

We already at 10 with jimbei?

[visual merlin]

its 9 excluding luffy

[pure raven]

9

It's gonna be yamato for sure

The question is about carrot, if yes or not

[robust sky]

yeah, yamato wants to sail so bad

does anyone believes that WW is the 10th titanic captain of BB? or the spy perhaps in kaido's crew?

any thoughts?

[supple ingot]

were there any signs?

for WW I mean

[tawdry bramble]

Virtually none

[visual merlin]

there is one person who thinks that

but there's not a significant amount of people who believe that

[robust sky]

well, there was a thoery that only a spy can identify one, like how WW identify X drake as a spy

[tawdry bramble]

The theory is based on him being jailed in impel down which he wasn’t.

[visual merlin]

WW wasn't the one who identified Drake as a spy

that was Hawkins

[robust sky]

really? hmm I see

[oak mural]

no way ww was in impel down imo

[robust sky]

ow, wait, so the moment WW revealed it in front of queen, Hawkins told WW?

[visual merlin]

this is also true

[oak mural]

he was def in some other prison

[robust sky]

yeah, i just bring it up cause it does not fit perfectly

[visual merlin]

bottom right panel

[robust sky]

got, jeez my memory is fuzzy damn it, well WW hatred for shanks could led to him joining kid or something

he hold freedom dearly right? like how he talk with jimbe about nika the sun god to free all the slaves

[visual merlin]

I don't know how that would be brought up between kidd and him, so probably not

[tawdry bramble]

WW isn’t anything more than an exposition dump.

[supple ingot]

Btw where are all the other ex Whitebeard member? Did they die against Bb?

[oak mural]

defeated by weevil

[tawdry bramble]

Plenty of them died and the rest of them are probably doing their own thing

[supple ingot]

Oh yea right, but we dont know if they are dead, right?

[oak mural]

yup

[robust sky]

yeah, but i doubt it, they all strong tho

[supple ingot]

Kinda strange we only saw Marco. Hope he isn't the 10th

[visual merlin]

no those are the WB allies

Weevil didn't kill the actual WBP

[robust sky]

he still need to protect what WB left tho

[visual merlin]

most of the WBP must either just be dead from BB, or off in random different places, all separated

[visual merlin]

10th what?

[supple ingot]

10th titanic captain after the fight against Bb

[visual merlin]

definitely not lol

izo is here too anyway

[robust sky]

yeah

[supple ingot]

Hmm right

[robust sky]

kinda hard to believe it, kuzan was also in BB right?

but burges won't accept it

[covert hazel]

No

It was left ambiguous, we don't know Kuzan's relationship with BB

[robust sky]

yeah, let just left there for a while

[agile tangle]

I believe that Luffy told ace and sabo that he's gonna be the strongest/freest man alive. The reason why ace and sabo laughed was because at that time Luffy was so weak and it didn't seem possible to them. It also ties in with Yamato's reaction as she was brought up by Kaido who believes that strength is the best. So she believes that in order to be free(from her father) you need to be strong.

[robust sky]

you came with another thery ehh hahahah

[dense wing]

Just saying “I’ll be the freest” is something we’ve heard before, Luffy and Roger’s dream seems more ridiculous and childish than that

[agile tangle]

Not sure about strongest because someone did mention to me that Roger was already a contestant for the strongest when he told his dream to whitebeard and oden

[dense wing]

It’s more likely “I want to free the entire world” or “I want to make everyone smile”

[robust sky]

more like to freely sail all sea without worry right?

[agile tangle]

I see

[dense wing]

He says that when saying why he wants to be PK

So it isn’t hidden

[agile tangle]

Guess my analysis needs improvement

[robust sky]

keep it up hahaha

[agile tangle]

Thanks for the feedback

[dense wing]

You’re good, theories are meant to be critiqued and discussed

Makes for better conversation

[robust sky]

yeah hahaha

damn my theory was ignored T.T

[dense wing]

What was it

[robust sky]

wait

Tell me your thoughts:

Could be the G5 ( if ever it will be luffy's new power) based on flame attacks or something?
We have seen him use these attacks to kaido right?

He uses two type of these:
Red Roc ( with G3)
Red hawk ( with G2?)

Not a strong argument but it just pass my mind 😅
It was also shown with luffy gear 4 boundman with flames around his neck right?
any thoughts? just somehow came in this mind of mine

[visual merlin]

Gear red

[dense wing]

The Red moves aren’t going to be the focus of an entire Gear, G5 is more likely to be Awakening, and I doubt we’ll see it in Wano, especially when we have 2 power ups already

Boundman having flame patterns on him is just stylized Haki (people in series don’t see it anyway most likely), and the smoke is just... smoke

[visual merlin]

Idk how that'd work, but I suppose it could. Though I just think there won't be a G5, oh and I believe the "flames" around g4 are just like, cloud things, or smoke

[robust sky]

yeah, but i think the cloud are steams, and could be turn into flames, well it could be plausible

[robust sky]

i see, thanks hahaha

[dense wing]

Most likely in Wano we’ll see a new G4 form

With Yamato not being a white tiger most likely, I’m back to believing my G4: Tigerman theory, an attack version

We have balanced for Boundman, Snakeman for speed, and Tankman for defense (supposedly)

[visual merlin]

yep same, that was always the issue for me, that it'd be weird to have a white tiger in yamato and a tigerman in luffy

[dense wing]

Yeah

[robust sky]

yeah, i also read those theory before, that could be another form with CoC coated

[dense wing]

It doesn’t have to be Tiger but it makes the most sense to me

I 100% believe we get a new form though

Doubt he wins with only Boundman at the end

Not that he can’t, rather Oda wouldn’t just end with it

[pure raven]

If there is a tiger man form it's gonna be so stupid from oda seriously, if he did have one why not bring till now he lost against kaido 3 time

[dense wing]

The same reason he decided to lose to Doffy for a while and not go G4

It’s dramatic

Use best new powers at the end

Or he thinks of Tigerman on the spot

As he was falling/in Law’s sub

[robust sky]

i think he already think of another way, but kaido just kick him and laugh at him, maybe he needs to improvised his moves after falling

[hard aurora]

Since Luffy is just learning how to use conqueror haki properly any new gear or form would be something he gets on the spot

[agile tangle]

I think he might have wanted to say I'm gonna live my life to the fullest?

[pure raven]

If there really is a tiger form strong enough to win against kaido, then there wOuld be a lot of series of contradiction from the time skip till Now

[agile tangle]

Because his last words to Rayleigh were "I won't die"

[dense wing]

That’s not exactly a super childish dream

[dense wing]

Like what

[agile tangle]

Even tho he was gonna die so maybe his idea of not dying would be to live with no regrets

Like his dream won't die

[dense wing]

Thing is lots have said “I’ll live with no regrets”

Luffy and Roger’s dream is radical and childish

Also considering we know their main personal goal, I think it’s likely their secret dream reflects others

The world

[robust sky]

that would support the immortal theory of law fruit, when sacrificing ones life to make another immortal or something

[dense wing]

Roger did say to Rayleigh “let’s turn the world upside down”

[robust sky]

yeah and Rayleigh just laugh

[pure raven]

It's obvious from my statement, if it's strong enough to Win with it against kaido why not use it against dofla katakuri, and all the other strong opponents he had faced and lost multiple time before winning,
I don't believe he has another form he learned during the time skip, if there is something new it will probably be linked to haki

[dense wing]

Maybe because he made Tigerman on the spot, because Luffy is a battle genius and has done that before

I am claiming it’s new, doubt Tigerman was made with Rayleigh

[visual merlin]

the g4 forms are not stronger than one another, just better for certain matchups

[dense wing]

And replace Tigerman with whatever new G4 name you want

[visual merlin]

which would explain why he hadn't brought it out, if he even already had it

[dense wing]

That’s also true

[visual merlin]

The explanation would just be Kaido is the first person he feels tigerman is best for

[dense wing]

^

That’s viable as well, but I’m fine with either explanation

[pure raven]

A form that can let luffy win against kaido is seriously stronger than all the others and logically could let him win against them all that's my line of tought

[dense wing]

It wouldn’t be because of the form

[visual merlin]

no, because it's a matchup thing

[dense wing]

It would be because of Cocting

[visual merlin]

^

[pure raven]

No because the match up thing doesn't work with the level of kaido

[visual merlin]

its just that tigerman would be the best form for a fighter like kaido, in this case

[dense wing]

Doubt Tiger or this new form could take the W without Cocting

[dense wing]

What?

[visual merlin]

it does, because it's not the entire reason he wins

the reason he wins is because of Cocting

it's just that tigerman, out of the g4 forms, is best suited to fight kaido

[dense wing]

Luffy doesn’t need Snakeman’s speed, and he doesn’t want to take hits sitting there like Tankman most likely

[visual merlin]

For example, snakeman isn't stronger than boundman just because it's the form he beat katakuri in

it's just better for katakuri

[dense wing]

So between Bound and Tiger he’ll go Tiger to take Kaido out

With Cocting

[pure raven]

No it would be best suited for coating that I would understand...

[visual merlin]

??

[dense wing]

Kaido even foreshadowed that the main reason Luffy is losing is because of his bad Cocting technique

So that’s the point of improvement Luffy needs to focus on

[visual merlin]

It's just best suited for fighting kaido

[dense wing]

The form just helps

[pure raven]

I agree with that

[robust sky]

is luffy using weapon logical to fight kaido?

[dense wing]

It’s like with Kata, Snakeman wasn’t going to win

[visual merlin]

it's the same a snakeman griseo

[dense wing]

It was Luffy learning FS

And then using Snakeman

[visual merlin]

snakeman is his best form for katakuri

[slim socket]

Hi guys Yamato is an INARI https://twitter.com/BFzzik/status/1417178297872654342?s=19 check it here

[visual merlin]

and he used it to win

but it's not stronger than boundman

[deep pond]

wtf is cocting?

[dense wing]

Coating with Conquerors Haki

[deep pond]

Random theory, what if Roger's sickness was his life being shortened by Big Mom?

[dense wing]

Doubt

[visual merlin]

Roger isn't scared of big mom

[dense wing]

Why would he be afraid of BM

[visual merlin]

also not an illness

[deep pond]

roger didnt look sick though

[dense wing]

He was

In manga he was coughing behind the door when Shanks called him

And he wouldn’t have given himself up if he wasn’t sick

[pure raven]

You know that the strongest attack luffy has is King Kong gun ?
What do you think can make kaido loose aside from the strongest attack possible to enter his skin while also coating?
My response is not a form suited for kaido, but a form suited to go with coating.

[visual merlin]

There's no 1 move that would make kaido lose

[pure raven]

I didn't say that

[visual merlin]

and I don't get any of what you are trying to say

[dense wing]

King Kong Gun w Cocting would hurt Kaido a lot yes but not a single move will win

It will be lots of hard hits

I personally want/think that he’ll lose to a Gatling like move

[visual merlin]

Just tell me what part of this is wrong to you or whatever

Like Snakeman is Luffy's most suited form to fight Katakuri, tigerman would be his most suited form to fight kaido, and so he'd fight in it, despite it not actually being stronger than boundman or the others

[pure raven]

It always a single move that win in the end of the fight à finishing blow is always needed but anyway that's not the subject

[dense wing]

Lucci

Crocodile

[visual merlin]

the last blow is indeed the last blow

[dense wing]

Storm and Gatling were multi-hits

[pure raven]

Multiple hit but one move

[dense wing]

Which is what I think makes more sense for Kaido

True

[visual merlin]

the floor is made of floor. Yes of course at some point there will be a final move, that doesn't disregard all those that came before it though

Griseo do you find anything in this message to be wrong? So I can understand better

[pure raven]

The thing is to win against kaido you don't need strong form or devil fruit technique, if you want to hurt him you need strong coating and use it well, so what I'm saying if there is a new form, it doesn't have to be suited for kaido but suited for coating haki and bring the best out of coating, call it tiger man or not, but if it's tiger man, what's the characteristic that this form has to be more suited for coating than the other 3 form he already has

[visual merlin]

Cocting is not the only factor. Luffy can have the best Cocting in the world but if he's fighting in tankman he's not gonna win

[pure raven]

Yes I agree

[visual merlin]

whether or not the form actually fits to fight someone like Kaido is also relevant

[smoky basin]

Roger wasn’t scared of anyone or anything g even death why would he be scared of big mom 🤣🤣 she was still an upstart at the time

[visual merlin]

Tigerman would have the highest attack power, if that means "suited for Cocting" to you, then yes. But it'd also just in general be his best form for kaido.

like Snakeman was his best for katakuri

[pure raven]

So what you are doing right now is wanting a form named " tiger man" without really having an argument or some idea of what exactly is this form.
When I think about luffy next improvement, I think about how he can win and why is that best suited , not about what's the form and its name,
Because right now you say tiger man and your only argument if I may say is " the highest attack power" because it's named "tiger" ?

And because there was a tiger monster when he was training?

[visual merlin]

What do you mean not having an argument or idea. The argument or idea has already been said

And yes, it'd be best suited because it's his highest attack powered form, the fact that it's called tigerman is just a connection to legend with dragon and tiger.

[sand sail]

There's a mistake in this reasoning

[dense wing]

Replace Tiger w whatever you want

[sand sail]

Of course there's always a "single move" that will win the end of the fight

[visual merlin]

It would be the highest attack power because we've already got speed, defense, and the balanced one

[sand sail]

Because the fight will end only after the last single move is made lol

[visual merlin]

and because attack power is what he needs against kaido

[pure raven]

I didn't mean that luffy's only improvement will be single attack, that was only a logical response of what has been said at that moment by some one 👍

[sand sail]

I'm addressing it to go into the topic at large, but Laww's right, Luffy doesn't need a form with more power

He needs a form with more utility

Just like he didn't overpower Katakuri, he just wore him down eventually, that'll probably end up happening with Kaido. If there's some kind of tigerman, odds are it really won't be his physically most devastating form, but it's gonna be the one that Kaido falls to anyway

Hell, his strongest form so far has only ever been used once, and not at all against an Emperor

[pure raven]

The best thing for luffy to use rn is a form that is stamin>=power to eventually wear kaido down hes know as the strongest creature but hes never been commented on his stamina

[pure raven]

And that's what I'm saying lol, I'm saying luffy needs a form with more utility depending on the situation against kaido, and because to win against kaido he need to use coating in the best way I said to him that the next for has to be the best suited to use it with coating, not a form named tiger form because it has to be the strongest form for attacking

[dense wing]

Wouldn’t call Snakeman strongest form

[pure raven]

But of which gear 4 version?

[dense wing]

If that’s what you’re saying Bean

[visual merlin]

There's no form that would make his CoCting better though Griseo

[sand sail]

I'm saying the opposite lol

[pure raven]

Its the fastest

[sand sail]

^ That's the other big thing

There's no form that affects his haki in general. It all just comes down to the way he decides to attack

[dense wing]

Yh it’s the fastest which worked well w Kata

[visual merlin]

His cocting isn't dependent on the form he's in. So it's not going to get any better or worse based on that. Which means if he's getting different forms, they just have to allow him to fight kaido better in general

[sand sail]

If there's some kind of Tigerman, it may not be his strongest raw power. But having said that, he doesn't need one, he'll just use Boundman if nothing else

The difference in his forms only ever comes down to how hard or fast he wants to attack, but it doesn't really switch up his arsenal

[dense wing]

I’m of the mind that the main issue in that fight was mastering FS as opposed to “Snakeman is the way to go to win”

In the same vein Kaido will go down due to Luffy mastering Cocting, not simply going Tigerman or whatever new form

Luffy goes said forms because it’s best suited

[dense wing]

I believe Boundman could win too but a new form is more dramatic and what I expect from Oda

[visual merlin]

And so if we're to get a new form, a gear 4 form makes sense involving attack as that's the main thing with kaido so far, and defense, speed, and balanced are already taken. The name tigerman only comes from the idea of a dragon vs tiger, no one here is saying it's highest attack because it's called tigerman

[pure raven]

They say that boundman will not necessarily be used and they defend the idea of a new form best suited against kaido ( having the highest power attack)

And that's tiger man form for them

[dense wing]

Idc ab Tigerman specifically

Call it whatever you want

[sand sail]

He may not use Gear 4th at all to do it, in the end

My point is just that either way, it doesn't have to come down to just him being able to punch harder, it'll come down to a way he can move better

[dense wing]

Don’t know how I feel about Oda writing a base Luffy victory

[visual merlin]

Yknow this started from the idea that a tigerman form would cause plotholes. Is that at least cleared up for you Griseo?

[pure raven]

You forget that before having a new form luffy is already having problem with his gear 4 draw back, he can't fight very long and has the 10 minute time of recovery , before thinking about a new form luffy need to solve that draw back, because if he does he doesn't need a new form, his bounce man is sufficient + coating conquerors haki, we already Saw luffy over powering kaido a litle just with gear 4 bounce men + ryou, imagine Now with bounce man + ryou + conqueror haki

[pure raven]

Yes he may not and I agree to that

[visual merlin]

?

[dense wing]

Luffy lasted a few dozen minutes in base form

He can just end w G4

[visual merlin]

He's lasted longer than 10 minutes

10 minutes is the time it takes to get haki back

[pure raven]

Thats why he needs a form that is less haki but it balances out as les than gear 4 but able to cheese kaidi

[visual merlin]

and this does not seem to be an issue that will go away

[dense wing]

Actually we don’t know if he went G4 or not off screen

[sand sail]

Luffy's never had a 10 minute limit yeh

His first time using it lasted for over 20, and I assume it's gone up from there

[visual merlin]

And even without it, that wouldn't negate the benefit of having different forms, or else snakeman and tankman wouldn't exist either

[pure raven]

Yes I made a mistake there

[dense wing]

What remains to be seen is a Cocting drawback

[visual merlin]

Also, the whole idea is that tigerman is better in this case, not that boundman isn't as strong, or couldn't possibly be sufficient

[dense wing]

If there is one

[visual merlin]

And so about the "plotholes" as said earlier the logic would just be no one until kaido has fought in a way that he thought tigerman was the best (if he already had it)

[sand sail]

Same reason he's only used Snakeman once yeh

[teal nymph]

another potential flaw could be if luffy really had a "tigerman" form then y not use it when he could see that bounce man not having the expected results

[pure raven]

Thats the point I was defending at the start, that oda if he bring tiger man now after loosing 3 time then it's stupid, so I concluded that there is no tiger form

@teal nymph thanks for reminding me the point I was defending lol 😅

[dense wing]

He makes it up on the spot

Also we can say the same w Snake

[visual merlin]

Iirc it was first about why he wouldn't use it on doffy or kata, but even then there's like him using boundman on kata first, or boundman on cracker first

[dense wing]

And Tank yeah

[dense wing]

Why not use the better one first etc

[dense wing]

This slightly different coloring doesn’t effect the power at all

If Diable Jambe gets a power up we’ll be told

[pure raven]

It was about what is said first then i continued with that logic anyway this debate lead to no where, cause for me the next form has to be best suited and related to coating

[visual merlin]

If you're going to mention that he fought Kaido in 923 already, it was more of him slapping him around, and then getting one shot, so perfectly possible he just didn't get a good idea of it

Like we said earlier Griseo, the forms themselves don't determine how good the coating is, they don't connect. Coating in base form will be the same as in boundman

[dense wing]

Including if he improves his Coating technique like Kaido mentioned

[visual merlin]

so it comes down to what that form is, boundman is stronger than base, and so he'd go boundman, and lets say tigerman is better for kaido than boundman, he'd go to to tigerman

[dense wing]

He foreshadowed Luffy’s technique w coating wasn’t good enough

[pure raven]

That's the point I'm defending here and I didn't explain at the start, my theory is that luffy will have a form related to coating and haki not something new and just strong for kaido

[visual merlin]

Forms don't impact the actual haki, that is the issue

whether he's in boundman, tankman, base, or g2, it's all the same haki

it can't be related to haki

[dense wing]

Snakeman wasn’t related to FS

[visual merlin]

That's also a completely different point than the whole plothole thing

[dense wing]

It was used in conjunction

Same w whatever new form we get

[pure raven]

And that's my theory again haki is related to his devil fruit, and that luffy will be able to influence his haki to bring the best out of it

[dense wing]

I mean, that’s G4

But the Gomu and Haki aren’t secretly linked in some way

It’s just a technique using Haki and his rubber body

[muted ember]

how does awakening work, y'all think?

[visual merlin]

depends on the fruit type

[pure raven]

No it is related, his tribal tattoo are, in gear 4, it's a form due to the link between haki and his devil fruit

[muted ember]

Is the OP community on board with the idea it strictly relies on your "imagination" and creativity, how well you can use it? or is that just me

[dense wing]

So far, paramecia’s that can awaken just do the turn environment into fruit

[visual merlin]

no, it's just him putting haki on himself

[dense wing]

Zoan awakenings we know as well

[dense wing]

It’s literally stylistic

[visual merlin]

in any case, the haki in g4 isn't any stronger than his haki in base

[dense wing]

No one in OP sees the black

Of Haki

It’s just for us

There’s no tribal Haki or Gomu connection there

[pure raven]

That's what you think, but it's not, does form of tribal tattoo has only been seen until now from katakuri big mom and luffy

[sand sail]

"tribal haki" isn't an actual thing

[visual merlin]

I wanted to think you weren't actually going with the tribal haki thing

[pure raven]

It's not just artistic

[visual merlin]

but yea, that's not a thing

[dense wing]

No one in One Piece sees it

Lol

[visual merlin]

tribal haki is something artur made up

[sand sail]

No, it is just him putting haki on himself. That's a purely artistic thing, that's why there's never been any importance placed on it till now lol

[dense wing]

Picture G4 without the Haki flames on his body

Lol

No wonder Doffy laughed

It’s just for us, the readers

Everyone in OP sees Haki as how we saw it in Marineford

[sand sail]

That's also why he's had it since his first real taste of Gear 4th, but then went on to have other forms of haki without mentioning it. That's also why no one in One Piece has found it weird or out of place that his haki debuts that way, it's just kind of how it seems to be

[ruby thistle]

i hope that all the other strawhats awaken haki this arc, i hope all the tobiroppo come back and they have to truly exceed their limits

[pure raven]

Maybe, but my theory is that haki can be influenced by luffy's elasticity, as much as haki is connected to his body, luffy maybe can influence it in a way I did explain this in my theory before, but if you look it without giving all my arguments, gear 4 using a lot of his haki very quickly prove in a way that haki can be influenced by his gears and his elasticity

[visual merlin]

g4 haki runs out quick because he's using a lot of it, is the logic Im pretty sure

[sand sail]

Haki can't be influenced by his gears tho. That doesn't seem to be how it works in general, and it doesn't seem to be connected to the body in that way

^ It's just excess, it's not a detail in its use. Luffy just uses more than anyone else for longer periods of time

[dense wing]

I recently began to like this but I don’t think we have the time for it

Like all the Tobi Roppo getting back up due to awakening

Because.... that’s what Awakening does

[pure raven]

I'm talking for now just about gear 4, my assumption is that in the futur maybe luffy can use gear 2 to influence his haki flow like he does with blood flow

[dense wing]

Happened in Impel Down

Problem is it seems like the raid is ending

So F6 are falling for good

[dense wing]

If you think about it, G4 is Luffy forcing on himself what Enma does to swordsman

Drawing out more of ones Haki

For more power

Thus draining them

[sand sail]

Kinda, but in a far less drastic way yeh. He's basically trying to pour it all out, but Enma drains someone to the point of husking them lol

[dense wing]

Yeah

[sand sail]

But he can't really use Gear 2nd to influence his haki flow

Gear 2nd can't influence his blood either. These things aren't like magic abilities that have specific effects, like a spell from another game/anime or anything. For Luffy, he's literally just flexing a certain way and calling it a move

[pure raven]

Then did you see what happened to zoro hand when he used enma? His hand deformed which mean haki ( chi / energy) is basically is as much connected to his body as his elasticity can maybe influence the flow of it

[sand sail]

So with Gear 2nd, he's not influencing anything more than just abusing the natural bodily function he has, and his being made of rubber means he can take that abuse

[pure raven]

I know that men

[sand sail]

But then how can that mean it can influence his haki in any way?

You know the mechanism, where does it cross with haki?

[teal nymph]

so next ch going to be black maria vs robin/ brook ?

[sand sail]

You should head to #manga or #also-manga to talk about that, this channel is specifically for theorizing and discussion about it

[pure raven]

No I don't know but I supposed that, like enma drawing zoro haki influenced the form of his hand, then it's probably too much connected to every cell in their body, like what Asian martial art in our real word tell us, there is canals of haki like there is canals of blood, so maybe he cane use his elasticity to not only influence his blood flow but the flow in the canals too

[sand sail]

The influencing his blood flow is him physically forcing his blood to pump faster, he's not really manipulating it in a way that would benefit his use of haki at all. We've always known haki has some physical effect on the body, all the way back with Vergo we had him beefing up and roiding out into someone almost twice his size just by imbuing his entire body with it

And we have Luffy shrinking once Gear 4th is over as well, haki being correlated to some strong degree with the body isn't the problem. But there doesn't seem to be any kind of backwards manipulation there, where the body can influence the quality of haki in any way

Most especially since haki is a manifestation of willpower, it doesn't make sense for it to have some particular physical property that can be affected by the Gears. The biggest problem here is that the gears are 100% just a bodily function thing, Luffy's blowing air into himself or just pumping his blood faster. There's no mechanism for him to grab onto for haki to replicate those same kind of transforming efforts for it

If he can affect haki in some similar way, it'll be from some mindset he changes or something more likely than any state or technique of his body

[desert tide]

this isnt manga related at all but in dressrosa on ep 727 on 04:14 luffy goes gear 4 and you can see the pattern of the gomu gomu no mi devil fruit for a few seconds, does it mean anything or is it simply for aesthetic, heres a photo: https://gyazo.com/5dcc1995a47fe1f3b9b1eca45a35d38f

[pure raven]

It has physical proprieties, let me simplify it for you,
Haki influence the form of the body, when drawn-out, it can be in opposite be influenced by how the body act.
It's simple idea, I don't say it has been said in the manga I'm saying it's a logical line of tought based on what we saw and what may oda do

[dense wing]

Aesthetic

[sand sail]

But it's not a logical line of thought because of what I mentioned. There's no physical thing for Luffy to grab onto and influence to use for his gears. Haki is, at its source, a 100% mental thing

This isn't him being able to use his body in a new way, and haki is some substance that goes into an object to change it, not ever the other way around

The source is where he'd have to go to change it in the way you're insisting, there shouldn't be any way for his body to influence it

[pure raven]

That's you thinking with our irl logic, your thinking is not fictif enough,
I'm saying haki is energy not substance like you claim I do,
Like haki make muscle shrink, it means haki flow in those muscle, so if haki influence the body and the form of it, maybe the way elasticity can change the body form, can influence how haki flow in luffy's body, it's a simple fictif idea based on some Asian martial art information we have in our real word. @sand sail

[sand sail]

No, I'm not using IRL logic, I'm presenting you what the story has rofl. You're literally citing IRL logic for this dude.

Haki can make something stronger, that's fine. That doesn't mean the thing has any power to affect it in the same way at all

Haki isn't changing like the basic quality of what's filling it, it's just reinforcing it

You're talking about actually giving haki a property that just doesn't exist for it so far

[pure raven]

I'm not giving haki some characteristics, what I'm saying is like blood circulation can give luffy more energy, maybe if luffy can influence his haki flow with his elasticity he maybe get to make it flow more strongly and regenerate haki faster, solving by the way gear 4 problems.

[sand sail]

How could that regenerate haki faster?

[pure raven]

I suppose

[sand sail]

And how would that increase the flow? He has a finite amount, more flow means less ability to even use it in the end

This would be a net detriment lol

[pure raven]

It can make make it drain faster, but it may be more efficient, but those are just my supposition of what the effect may be,

[smoky basin]

its you two again 💀

heheeheheh whats the theory argument this time

[pure raven]

Enema with haki, consumed more than it has to, and in th same time haki was drained, zoro's hand shrinked, after that he took back his haki, and his hand come back to its original form, it's very clear that haki influence the body, and logically, as much as haki can influence the body, the body also may influence haki (maybe due to energy canals like in Asian martial art) its simple to understand

[sand sail]

That's a very loose logic based only on IRL traditions though, with the hundreds of characters we've seen able to use it, that's never been the case

[pure raven]

Never been the case doesn't mean it's also not luffy's case maybe oda make it true with luffy (because he can influence his body structure) , (it's a theory based on logical tought of Manga information and irl (Asian martial arts) you didn't accept it doesn't mean it based on loose logic 😑)

[rose spoke]

So, when do you think the whole Dressrosa strawhat gang is shooting up? I think they saw on Luffys vivre card when he got infected in prison by the plague

[queen arrow]

they won't show up

otherwise they'd have shown up in WCI as well

[rose spoke]

I dont think they will show up in wano but some May appear again like boda or smh

And the reverie? Any info is going to clarify SWORD or the WG

[fathom matrix]

Yaknow how Luffy and first king kong gun and thunder bagua clash, knocked out Luffy?

What if when Luffy and Kaido fight in the same location, they clash again, but Luffy either does King Kong Gun again or a new move, and it break Kaido's kononbou and strikes his into a wall?

[visual merlin]

Yea I see nothing wrong with this, but I would point out the king kong gun was anime only I believe

but yea Luffy breaking his weapon would be cool to see

[fathom matrix]

Was it? I'll go back and check just incase

[visual merlin]

ye

[fathom matrix]

danke for showing that

[brisk jungle]

What was the hardest luffy hit kaido?

Was it that red roc or was it the last chapter before he went night night? When he mixed coc

[scenic thicket]

page1s name is ominous. if it’s referring to the first ever page why? will he reveal anything abt the one piece or wanos importance. or does page one imply we should look back on the first page of one of the chapters he’s in or even a hidden detail in a cover page?

who’s who had ppl wondering who nika was

[visual merlin]

either the hits with cocting, or the kong gattling

[sonic plaza]

also, because Oda said something would happen with sabo, vivi, and boa in 2021, Does this mean Wano will have 4 or 5 acts because we will get an interlude to catch up with them?

i dont think there is any other way we could see them because I dont see all of them coming to Wano

and Wano manga will not end till prob about mid-2022 at least

[frozen urchin]

Kizaru is Dr. Vegapunk

[sonic plaza]

no. kizaru was a vice admiral when we knew vegepunk was in punk hazard

[brisk jungle]

Yes

Kizaru being the smartest man on the planet would be too perfect

[dense wing]

Source would be cool

[versed hamlet]

There's probably only gonna be 3 acts to wano

[sonic plaza]

ok. lemme find it

[pseudo citrus]

One of the more popular JP analysis people released a video with 12 guesses today, just thought I'd transcribe for fun. Video link here https://youtu.be/axlS-JJxd3o

2. Inu-Inu model Byakko (Fox)
3. Inu-Inu model Tenko (Sky Fox)
4. Inu~Inu model Fenrir
5. Neko-Neko model Byakko (Tiger)
6. Neko-Neko model Karajishi (Guardian Lion)
7. Inu-Inu model Tsutsu (?) (kanji is 恙, not sure)
8. Uma-Uma (Ushi-Ushi?) model Kirin
9. Niku-Niku (?) (carnivorous animal? luffy yelled niku in the chapter, first 29)
10. Tsuku-Tsuku (possession, 憑く, fits 29)
11. Ryuu-Ryuu model T-Rex (definitely a meme)
12. Half Sulong, different power?```

[frozen urchin]

let me explain.

[sonic plaza]

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/ee2fbf/odas_message_from_jump_festa_2020/

ok. the thing is. Oda said this for 2020 (when Oden flashback was being written)

but everything was pushed back way too much

[amber oar]

Carnivorous = Nikushoku-sei, so yeah, niku could work for carnivorous species that aren't either feline or canine (hyenas, for example). A bit of a stretch but anyway

[frozen urchin]

so basicly when the strawhats and luffy punched the celestial dragon kizaru came and dr vegapunks bodyguard was there too (sentomaru)

i forgot the rest

[sonic plaza]

so Oda clearly thought he would have act 3 end in 2020, but the dates got pushed back and I am sure Oda planned to extend act 3 by maybe 10 chapters or so

[amber oar]

Ah yeah, the guy who struggles to use den den mushis is the WG's greatest scientist

[sturdy hawk]

He didnt give dates for when shanks would make his move and for when wewould get news on sabo boa etc.

[sonic plaza]

but whenever he says this, he hints at what is to come soon

usually in the following year

[sturdy hawk]

No, he stopped after saying wano would start in 2016

[night jewel]

He said we will know more about what happened after wano

for sabo, vivi and boa stuff

literally says "ONCE ITS(wano) OVER"

[smoky basin]

What happened to vivi

I keep seeing this stuff but I don’t remember anything about her

[dense wing]

“And once it's over, things are going to be grim. Sabo will...!! Vivi will...!! Hancock will...!! AAAAAAAA...!!!”

Yeah, like the others have said, once it’s over

[smoky basin]

Damn being caught up sucks

[fleet echo]

half sulong? furry kaido confirmed?!

[pseudo citrus]

my guess is that it would be on the mother's side

[fleet echo]

heh!

Also, what would happen if someone in the mink tribe eat a zoan devil fruit that turn into the animal they're already are. like "I the cat lady, will eat the cat cat fruit model housecat" and stuff

[pure raven]

Of those guesses. The niku niku fruit sounds the most creative.

[smoky basin]

You are a menace to society

🤣🤣🤣

[fleet echo]

not me, the person that put the theory up

[smoky basin]

They just can’t swim ig

[sly mulch]

So we know that something happened to Vivi and Cobra after the reverie ended. Do you guys think it was a foreshadowing from Oda when he had Igaram said the following to Vivi :
“ a great monstrous bird may appear and snatch you” ( karasu ),
“ Sniper has their wicked sights trained on you “ ( CP-0, Gorosei)
“ A meteorite falls upon your head” ( the only who can bring down a meteorite is fujitora )
There was also a scene by king Cobra in which he ask Vivi to find a husband. ( I have heard theories around that Imu character may have been inspire by the Egyptian Prisest Imhotep who is Egyption chancellor to the pharaoh Djoser and a high priest of the sun god Ra at Heliopolis. So maybe he is related to Vivi or something like that.)

Also The sun god Ra part kinda reminds of what we learned recently about the Sun god Nika

[sturdy hawk]

Oh shit, i dont agree with your conclusions but the foreshadowing is def there, nice catch

[sly mulch]

Finally someone that understands

[sand sail]

Those are probably just nods to things that have actually happened to the Strawhats lol

[sly mulch]

@sand sail yeah probably

[sturdy hawk]

Can be both

[sly mulch]

The only part missing @sand sail will be the meteorite part because it never happened in arabsta arc

[sand sail]

No, it happens later in Dressrosa

[sly mulch]

I was thinking you meant only in the arabasta arc

[sand sail]

Nah, just in general, 'cause the sniper thing I was referring more to Jaya

Although Sanji gets sniped in Dressrosa

[sturdy hawk]

Its probably usopp and sugar if it is

[quaint haven]

Whys there so many breaks on the manga

Are they trying to get the anime in line with it

[pseudo citrus]

breaks make it harder for the anime to stay behind, not easier

[slate zodiac]

https://twitter.com/jabulkheir/status/1381600559195643904?s=21

I agree 100 percent

[queen arrow]

please don't feed the trolls

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using #manga-theories for any joke theories you may have. This channel is strictly for serious discussion on the realm of possibilities one truly believes in, and can explain in a manner that conveys why. Please consider this a general warning.

[amber oar]

I've seen before I dig the idea of a non-conqueror competing with the very best, because I'm not a fan of a birthright ability gatekeeping the top of the food chain. Actually I liked the idea of Zoro being like this, but well, Kaido already said otherwise. So now I favor Teach.

[slate zodiac]

I feel like it made sense with zoro since he’s kinda like the opposite of teach in this case and it’s been hinted at, plus he’s the only strawhat that genuinely wants to climb to the top.

[pure raven]

The real one you should like depending on your standards that I maybe understand, are shanks and garp not anyone else

[queen arrow]

Shanks has conqueror's

[pure raven]

Yes but no devil fruit up until Now it's all due to his effort

[amber oar]

we're talking about conqueror's, not DFs

[queen arrow]

but he has conqueror's

[pure raven]

But you said you are not fun of a birthright ability gatekeeping the top of the food chain, having conquerors haki doesn't mean you would be one of them necessarily, and devil fruit in my opinion take you at that stage more easily than having conquerors haki or not

That's why I said garp and shanks just with haki and effort, deserve their place in the food chain unlike black beard who's relying on his constitution (maybe) + 2 devil fruit

[amber oar]

wdym, there's plenty of df users failiing in life in OP... and zero conquerors

[queen arrow]

^

[pure raven]

I'd like to counter this kind of argument, but that would only start a meaningless debate,
There is also plenty conquerors even with devil fruit are not at the level you are talking about.

In the end my point of view is that the kind of shanks garp mihawk... Who without DF climbed to the top of the food chain deserve more respect than black beard depending on your standards

[amber oar]

The only conquerors not at the very top are either too young for that, past it, or deceased

[grizzled fog]

Who’s the lowest status or least successful coc user? Chinjao? A once legendary pirate who fought Garp? Ace? Also a legend who was on a fast track to being one of the strongest in the world snd on whitebeard’s crew.

[queen arrow]

on the counterpart, there's a total of 136 canon devil fruits that we have seen and a lot of them certainly aren't on the top of the food chain or even close to it

[pure raven]

Then let's do this compare between garp # kaido and shanks # big mom, who between them deserve his place more? Seriously, having devil fruit give you more benefits, to climb than none, so if you have some very strong devil fruit you don't necessarily need conquerors haki, or even haki of Arm just look at kaido's 3 captain, or black beard 2 devil fruit

It’s not sun god niko it’s sungo D. Niko similar to Gol D. Roger

[queen arrow]

i don't think that works in japanese

[thorn gull]

yamato = oden ?

[pure raven]

Sungoko if you take out Ni 😅

[queen arrow]

"Sun God Nika" (太陽の神ニカ Taiyō no Kami Nika)

[amber oar]

Tell me how a conqueror is not guaranteed to be at the top

[pure raven]

Not all of them used it to be at the top though

[queen arrow]

i don't think you're getting the point

[pure raven]

I did get your point 👍 believe me

It's just I'm seeing the thing in a different angle

[slate moon]

Statistically it's a meaningless debate. Like mentioned before there are 136 DFs and only 16 coc users. So of course coc users are more rare but it's also not like BB has just some lame DFs. He has two most powerful

[thorn gull]

https://www.hizliresim.com/9ht205j

oden is not dead

[grizzled fog]

!pics can you get perms to embed whatever that link is

[lone hedge]

Get a role (pirate/revo/marine/civilian) in #old-role-info to be able to post pictures!

[pure raven]

That's obsession and schizophrenia 😅, but seriously she is just playing the role of oda because she respected the man and his virtue. SHe want to let his will live trought her @thorn gull

Nothing more doesn't mean it's really oden lol 👍

@light pond i knew it was you just with the sangoku emoji 😅

[compact glade]

It's possible that zoro may not have coc

[pure raven]

He used it in the final blow against kaido wdym?

[sand sail]

They were, for their stations

[compact glade]

Pins, whole ass theory about it

[pure raven]

? Wdym

[strong hearth]

Hi, I'm new around here, just wanted to point out these pages before anything else

[compact glade]

What for?

Why did you point them out

[strong hearth]

that Luffy shadow looks like Nika

[compact glade]

I kinda can't see it

Oh bottom left

[strong hearth]

Yeah

I saw everyone pointing out the shadow from when he rings the bell, but then that's from the party after Enel goes away

[pure raven]

Oh

Never knew that if it's true

But there is 2 shadows there yet we only saw luffy at that moment

[strong hearth]

well, the pose itself doesn't mean much, but that's still really close to the shadow of Nika

[pure raven]

Maybe even 3 shadow if we look well 😅

[strong hearth]

I just thought it was a nice call back, if anything

I mean, yeah, but Luffy's is the clearer one in that particular panel

[strong hearth]

Yeah, that's the one

[pure raven]

Yep u right

[lilac horizon]

@pure raven

[pure raven]

Huh

[coral sorrel]

Kinda be bs though