manga-theories

[modest skiff]

WB found him on a random island but people's opinions differ on whether he placed himself there to be found by WB or it was random chance

[ancient vault]

and he gets no bitches

Im still on my theory that greenbull is ugly

He might have learned about Xebec and his legend somehow after all his interested in history

[pure raven]

Feels like BB has a well calculated plan of action

He doesnt do things spontaneously

[modest skiff]

If I let myself put on my fullest, thickest tinfoil hat: I think BB comes from the coldest pole (North or South). One of the informational glyphs in his island told him about something which started his journey, perhaps the yami yami

[solid hound]

Lemme add some rolls of tinfoil: his powers are darkness (least amount of Sun throughout the year, that’s it’s own can of worms now) and quaking (shivering/shaking)

I’m about 30% serious that those are related, haha. This is just spitballing now

[solid hound]

Also, since we were trying to remember all the cold/snowy places we’ve seen in the series, there’s also the portion of Tequila Wolf Robin went to. Probably not relevant, but who knows

[amber oar]

and there you're connecting Shanks and Buggy's discussion lol, nice

[lost moat]

Alright ill toss on a thicc tight tinfoil hat that crushes my knoggin: Blackbeard doesn't really have a Blackbeard its a random 2nd guy who absorbed Whitebeards Devil Fruit.

[wicked cairn]

@dusky acorn thanks for the theory, my bad i couldnt read it last night i had to go to bed and get ready for work in the morning, ill read it later on tonight

[dusky acorn]

Np lol. Didn't expect you to read it immediately so that's okay, just knew it's a hypothesis you've always believed in so made sure you were aware of it to read at your own leisure

[craggy fjord]

900-800 years ago during the void century, the yami yami no mi user coated the world in darkness. A farmer named Joy Boy(owned of a large straw hat) was pissed his crops all died. He was called the Sun God. He couldn't stop this darkness darkness no mi no user. Now D's are born that carry his will, in case the world is coated in darkness again, they will bring the DAWN.

[last halo]

Wait, Shimon has posted his theory?

[grizzled fog]

#manga-theories message
Here if you wanna read it

[ancient vault]

ngl i like the first half lmfao i doubt its gonna happen but it sounds like a fun idea

[weak arrow]

man fuck me i just became a believer of gear red

because of silithid

[grizzled fog]

[terse plover]

Zoro seems to be going to fight King somehow based on the last few chapters. I didn't know how Oda was gonna do it, but seems like the Zou medicine is gonna be his ticket out for an ending like how he ended up after his slash with Mihawk leading into his fight with Arlong or Thriller Bark into Sabaody. Since Sanji is fighting Queen, I am assuming Zoro is going to fight King. Looking back at what you said, I think both of us had good ideas about what Zoro would do next. Hopefully it is not a 1v1 Zoro vs King like you said because that would be disappointing for King to be beaten by Zoro after being hurt so badly. Looking forward to next week's chapter now!

[pure raven]

Rewatching fishman island with a friend rn, and the sea kings stated that only " they " can repair the Noah Ark, any theories for who " they " are ?

[pure raven]

We do not know

They refer to a clan which we have theories on who they could be but atm no actual confirmation

I know but are their any theories?

1. The original shiprights of Water 7. We know that Pluton existed back in the day or perhaps still exists but is hidden and the ones directly responsible were the shiprights of water 7.
2. It could be the smiths of Wano since they were notorious for their craftsmanship
3. It could be an entirely new unseen group. Could be the giants given how large the ship is but again we have no actual idea or confirmation.

[reef grotto]

what even is it

really enjoyed the kid and urogue theories

now, who will urogue fight in the final war? I'm gonna say yamato cause that's the only new entry that fits with the power level, unless smoker joins the crew

[grizzled fog]

Wym fits with the power level. We don’t know how strong Yamato really is and how strong urouge is

[charred sable]

hey guys, dont u think that luffy's grand fleet is going to appear in wano ?

[grizzled fog]

No i do not

[charred sable]

why? isnt it logical ? they need couple of thousand ppl to match with enemy

[grizzled fog]

It’s awfully late, and I don’t think the whole crew would assemble and come in time if they even knew help was needed. If they came whenever luffy’s vivre card was burning up they should’ve come after he got beaten in act 1

[charred sable]

it takes time to assemble and come in wano

[grizzled fog]

After that point they had more than a week

[charred sable]

they need help right now, if they fight against shanks crew or something they are about 10-20 ppl and luffy do not need 5000 against it

idk i was just thinking for myself if its going to happen im gonna come back here 😄

[ember trench]

They actually don’t need help anymore

[grizzled fog]

Shanks crew has more than 10-20 people, but that’s besides the point. I just don’t think they’re coming

[ember trench]

Defeating Kaido and Big Mom are the only real issues

[grizzled fog]

Also how are they supposed to get up to onigashima . The island is isolated as hell. Even just getting up to wano is hard, not to mention the flying fuckin island

[ember trench]

Numbers wise, things are starting to more or less even out. Straw hats have the officers handled

[weak arrow]

Yep, still no way for them to take down BM as of yet

unless CP0 super duper strong and feel like helping

[last halo]

Kid will handle her

But yeah, the grand fleet should come at the final war only.

Doesn't make sense to have them this soon

[charred sable]

final war will be in wano mark my words

in final i mean the biggest, everyone is going there

[last halo]

No reason to think so. Wano was supposed to end this year, adding "everyone" would probably make it end in late 2022...

[idle lotus]

So how many arcs left? Maybe 3?

We still have Elbaf for sure, what do you think are the two others?

[grizzled fog]

Probably 2 major arcs and 1 small arc if I had to guess

Elbaf being the shorter one, Laughtale and the Final war being the other two. But there’s room for another small one I guess

[rigid wadi]

Elbaf with last Poneglyph, Laugh Tale and fight with BB, and Marine-World Goverment and 3 Ancient weapons vs Revolucionary Army and Pirates war arc

[covert hazel]

Don't think we'll visit Lodestar?

[grizzled fog]

We might, but that doesn’t have to be so major that it’s even really considered an arc really. Could be part of another arc actually

[covert hazel]

I hope we do, I get the feeling something important might be there

Poneglyph maybe

[upbeat mist]

is the new theory not being added to the pin?

[dusky acorn]

I already didn't want to include it up there in the first place because of how wild the idea is, and as I expected it didn't get the best of reviews so no, it won't be.
You're free to copy/save the message link if you ever want to go back to the post yourself though.

[upbeat mist]

personally, i think it would be a good add because, even if you think it's wild and it didn't get the best reviews, it's still a seriously written long form and researched theory like the others. Theories dont need to be correct, but to make you think and bring up possibilities the story is hinting at and this covers both categories, moreso than most of what's posted here. Even if it's the biggest stretch of the bunch it shouldn't be excluded from other theories with similar levels of work put into them. Just my opinion, obviously, I respect your choice either way

regarding the theory itself,

Not to mention, talking about Luffy to people such as the Gorosei could only spell nothing but trouble,

Couldn't you make a case Shanks wouldn't be warning the WG/Gorosei, but threatening them? If he knows they have a grudge against Luffy already he could be saying that if they tried to do anything extreme to kill him or shut him down by sending Sakazuki or multiple admirals he would come to Luffy's defense and declare all out war with the WG as punishment

[dusky acorn]

The scene didn't really paint itself in such a way to me that Shanks wanted to talk about a subject that could actually brew up a conflict right on a dime between Shanks and the Gorosei/WG, granted the discussion didn't go smoothly. Say, if they didn't want to agree to what Shanks was saying

Shanks going right into the heart of the WG to threaten them not to do anything crazy to Luffy or else he'd get involved sounds pretty dangerous considering he went in alone though

Maybe they'd be more willing to agree if he offered them something in exchange though. You could be right

But for some reason I just can't bring myself to see Shanks tampering with Luffy's journey in any which way until they actually meet, especially not something to the extent of proposing to be a sort of shield for him

I don't think Shanks has ever outright stated he wouldn't ever be willing to amend luffy's journey like that, but he did say he wouldn't want to meet him before becoming a great pirate at least

[pastel summit]

I mean, to be fair, what could they do? Unless you believe in the "Gorosei are actually super strong" stuff. Shanks is still an emperor in his own right. Who is stopping him? Fujitora and Greenbull were probably busy dealing with the revo stuff.

[dusky acorn]

It may not even have to be that everyone in their combined forces could defeat Shanks, because yes he's absurdly powerful in his own right.

It's also just that he didn't seem like he was going there with any presumption that there would even be a scenario where he'd have to cause a scene. Which any conflict would do to him up there, and threatening them over Luffy could potentially start one

[last halo]

For what is worth, Shimon, I really appreciate your analysis on Kid. You're trying to make sense of this character that is really due his development, and I think you're laying out great possibilities. Him being the subject of Shanks' meeting with the elders is really out of the box, but the unpredictability is well welcomed. Especially considering how the attentions are currently at Blackbeard and Luffy... It would also put him at the same level as Law and Luffy, and finally make him more than the odd one on the trio. We focused on Law for the early parts of the New World, and would focus a bit more on Kid for the latter parts...

[pastel summit]

Yeah I do agree that I doubt it'd be Luffy at the very least. Idk if I'm sold on it not being blackbeard, because he's had 2 years to do stuff that we don't know about, and maybe Shanks does. Kid is definitely at least mildly possible now imo. It could make sense.

[dusky acorn]

Thanks for all the cohesive critique/responses, it's been much appreciated.
Same, I don't think there's ever a way to rule out Blackbeard, Mai said it before but it boils down to his whole agenda is just too potent. Even aside from Bb, Shanks is the one we have almost no clue what he was doing over the two years. There's probably plenty of chances for him to have gained some sort of info about Bb, even long-distance like having had a spy in his ranks or whatever.

[silver agate]

chapter 17 was the biggest talk in twitter,oda has a way of surpriseing us

[strong latch]

What are yall talking bout

[fading thorn]

what theory ?

[last halo]

#manga-theories message

This one

[fading thorn]

i don’t really see anything about Kid being so surprising it warranted a visit to the gorosei tho

nothing particularly screams special about Kid to me

i guess Kid could like be close to awakening his fruit and it could attract anything tangible or intangible like memories and something

maybe shanks discovered something through their dialogue?

[fading thorn]

maybe he could attract the ancient weapons with his awakening idk i’m not smart enough i just like tinfoil theories

what if law made a room so big the life span loss immediately killed him, but he performed the immortality surgery on himself. the death from the immortality and the life loss from making the big room cancel out making him immortal

[pliant bramble]

What if Blackbeard is Rocks son? And Rocks was so strong maybe Teach's body is naturally more resilient due to being Rocks kid? That could be an explaination for the 2 devil fruits.

His ship is called The Saber of Xebec

[pure raven]

I think there is relation but I don't think Oda's gonna do the son approach mainly because if he did then whitebeard would have known or should have known

[last halo]

Rocks having a son is actually highly speculated. The options are usually Blackbeard and Shanks.

[pliant bramble]

@fading thorn Magnetic forces are quite simply particles that either create charge by moving exceptionally fast or two magnetic fields that exert focres creating charge. So essentially, kid can create energy and magnetic attraction or repulsion with his fruit. An awakened form of this could allow kid to either create energy and harnass it as a weapon or a power source or allow him to repel energy generated from anothers attack and even speed up his own molecules like the flash and let him pass through objects or literally let objects pass through him. There are so many things his fruit can do because of this magnetic manipulation.

And he can probably melt fucking anything

[pure raven]

I just really like the idea of Luffy's awakening is that he makes other people rubber and because they don't know how to use their bodies they become less effective like he was as a kid

[proud crystal]

i am rubber, you are glue also rubber

[pure raven]

Kaido tries to use Thunder bagua but his arm stretches due to the force he's used to putting into it and just automatically stretches and swings and misses

Gomu Gomu no Paddle ball

[junior cape]

I imagine that when someone awakens their power, they're pretty confused about what's going on. With Luffy, he'd absolutely be confused, but not complaining

[junior cape]

Although, I doubt we'll see that power jump in the raid

Relatively speaking, Luffy's gone through more power jumps across Wano than most other arcs, so adding awakening to the mix would be overkill

Starting with advanced armament, followed by conqueror's coating

I think the only other comparable arc would be Water 7/ Enies Lobby, where he figured out G2 and G3

I'm also taking time scale into account here. He figured out his Wano bluffs over the course of a few weeks, while he figured out G2 and G3 in like 2 days.

[steep vigil]

please oda just give usopp an actual weapon, like a real usopp hammer or an ancient weapon as a present from elbaf

[quick idol]

I wish usopp was at least top 5 strongest on crew but he still always pulls his weight

[steep vigil]

usopp is extremely strong, he lifted a 500 ton hammer in thriller bark 🙀

[potent geyser]

Usopp first bounty 200,000,000 of course he’s strong

[junior cape]

Tbf singlehandedly bringing down an international crime syndicate in one move will garner a lot of respect.

As well as starting a global criminal cult

If you think about it, Usopp is the real reason Doflamingo lost

[trim flicker]

Call usopp insulin cause he be deletin that sugar

[pure raven]

[quick phoenix]

oh my

theres a manga-theories here. ididnt know sorry i chatted in general chat

My dreams recently:
"Straw hat" hat is required before entering laugh tale.

"government" knows that, so they trying to replicate that "straw hat" . But its not perfect. so it requires to freeze below zero to preserve its functionality
unfortunatly , gol d roger reach island called laugh tale, that time he didnt posses "straw hat" , as shanks that time owns "straw hat" is not there which is not coincidence. XD
that my theory but the real dream is luffy return the straw hat in some grave like in that laugh tale. .
then one piece appeared. as my dream stops

Any comments conflicting to this? thanks

[covert hazel]

The Straw Hat is very interesting, it's clearly symbolic but I didn't think it had a greater function until we saw it in Im's big freezer

[runic osprey]

Do you mean that luffy’s straw hat is the real one to be able to enter laugh tale?

[covert hazel]

It being the key to laugh tale is interesting, though I don't think it was the thing that stopped Rodger from doing what he wanted

If it was the thing that stopped him surely he could have gone back to Shanks and borrowed it and returned, and it is developed such that Rodger was simply too early (Shirahoshi and the fortune telling)

[ancient vault]

I have thought abouit this idea before too but I dont really get why they wouldnt go back unless laughtale magically closes for some time after being visited

Also was shanks already in LT then? If not then why didnt he go?

[quick phoenix]

his time is running out though. thats why he said something to shanks which is still mystery

[split stone]

shanks Is a fraud theory

[runic osprey]

I believe that straw hat is more a symbolic sign to joyboy. because the world government could have easily retrieved it during the marineford war if it really was the only key for laugh tale. And also it doesnt seem like it just a freezer cause its seems like the big straw hat is in some kind of big ruin.

[quick phoenix]

thats still in question if he's interested in going laugh tale using straw hat which came from roger which came from ???? (joy boy?).

[quick phoenix]

Oh your right . Roger said he's too early.

[covert hazel]

The Straw Hat may have a greater significance than just being a symbol though

[runic osprey]

Also do you guys think that Dolflamingo got killed? He was pretty much waiting for the assassins to arrive.

[quick phoenix]

remember the chapter or the anime i think its already reached. the pictures. Shiraoshi , and luffy. then big straw hat appears.

[quick phoenix]

donflaminggo knows something. he need to be assassinated to preserve the secrets.

[runic osprey]

They would have already retrieve it luffy got defeated by the government multiple times and the hat could have been retrieved.

[covert hazel]

Well, only a select few people would know it's significance, maybe even none

[quick phoenix]

if underling government knows that straw hat is important. That would be chaos. Its obvious that big straw hat is jailed in secrets. means very few knows about that.

[runic osprey]

I think the big straw hat belonged to joy boy but he didnt manage to completely uncover the secrets of laugh tale. Luffy will be his successor and after imu sama saw the straw hat on luffy it remembered him of joy boys hat. Maybe something happened between imu and joyboy. Or imu sama is trying uncover joyboys secrets and he knows that luffy will play a huge part in it.

[slate moon]

If there is a key to unlocking one piece at Laughtale, I feel it will be tied to the ancient weapons. As we already know, Poseidon not being born stopped Roger from truly succeeding. Maybe all the ancient weapons need to be on the island for true discovery. Poseidon may need to bring the Noah to transfer the treasure, and not sure how the others may tie into this as far as their roles for unlocking one piece. Momo could be Uranus theorized and maybe BB has Pluton and is already at the island waiting for Luffy to bring the others to the island. A huge battle to determine which crew gets one piece happens there. Either way One Piece is so great that just imagining the possibilities through theories is fun.

[coarse hinge]

Pluton is Underground ship
Poseidon is Mermaid Princess whos control Sea Kings
Uranus is what? Maybe sky creature? or some massive weather control of DF? So what is?

[coarse hinge]

How can Momo is Uranus?

[covert hazel]

Momo can command Zunesha, there might be more Zunesha

[slate moon]

It's been a fan theory, not mine. Just a way to link the possibilities. As far as what it is, that isnt yet known. Could be a person, thing, being we haven't been introduced too yet

[ancient vault]

i hope hes not

[coarse hinge]

It's hard still doubt. But for sure Momo can control about Zunesha's things.

[slate moon]

There is another theory about Oars and JoyBoy (Nika) getting to the other side of the red line and such. Time wise it doesn't add up because Oars was after JoyBoys time, but if there is some truth to the theory, i believe it could have been Zunesha

[ancient vault]

it doesnt add up yeah. Oars was around 500 years ago

[slate moon]

And maybe Zunesha was JoyBoy's companion which is why he was cursed to walk the ocean. Possibly by Imu

[covert hazel]

Personally, I hope Momo isn't Uranus

[coarse hinge]

So what Oars actually?

[ancient vault]

an ancient giant

[slate moon]

And maybe JoyBoy was an ancient giant

[coarse hinge]

I bet a lil bit, Dragon held about the Uranus thing.

[coarse hinge]

Not modificated giant?

[ancient vault]

nope

hes oars jr ancestor

[coarse hinge]

I'm more excited about Oni's clan if they actually exist. Kaido & Yamato similar but still not sure.

Oars looks like Giant Oni mixed

[ancient vault]

whats a giant oni

[ancient vault]

I think they do

[ancient vault]

were you talking about the numbers?

[coarse hinge]

No. I'm still talking about Oars but yes they similar to Numbers.

[glad raft]

One Piece is Sake

[modest skiff]

I’m increasingly paranoid something is hidden in plain sight about Luffy’s fruit. I feel like there is a property of his fruit we haven’t picked up on even though it’s been right there. I’ve been grasping pretty hard and trying to imagine if it was more like a gum tree than the rubber made from the tree. I tried to think about what it might be for Luffy to be able to create stretch within himself the way gum extraction works with rubber trees. And since there is an Indian rubber plant, I’ve been trying to understand more about this plant LOL

[open vault]

I don't really understand this idea of Momo becoming a part of the crew or even being a ancient weapon after all what caused the downfall of wano before was oden leaving it, surely you would expect this time they would learn that lesson and have the rightful heir as the king of wano Not leave it up to chance hoping nothing goes wrong.

[modest skiff]

Oden wasn't fit to lead until he went on his journey. Momo currently too weak. Hiyori is more knowledgeable, mature and ready to lead. Momo has growing to do

[open vault]

I understand that but from what we have seen Momo seems to want that leadership role unlike oden he seems to value it. Put it this way, when have we heard Momo obsessing over having a pirate journey or anything like that since he has already been to the outside he doesn't have that hunger to leave wano if anything it's probably the opposite. Also, I don't think Momo is in the story to be like oden, the whole OP universe is reliant on fate and it was odens fate to have his journey and from all we have seen so far it seems like momos fate is to be the leader of wano during the opening up and especially since he has nothing special that the straw hats don't already have to reach laugh tale so there isn't a need for him in the crew.

Someone like Yamato makes complete since if anything it feels like odens spirit and will is clearly within Yamato all he wants to do is explore and become stronger

I doubt even when oden was a young kid just like luffy they wouldn't have this fear of fighting like Momo does ( btw this isn't a bad thing it actually suggest he's more of a leader as he knows when to pick his battles)

[tacit veldt]

Momo is quite clearly important in a similar way as Vivi and Shirahoshi are. If he knew he was alive, i'm sure Im would have had his picture too in his little collage time. I 100% agree with you on how it wouldnt make much sense to have him join the SHs. They're embarking on the last stretch of an already extremely difficult journey, i can't see any of them agree with taking an 8 year old along, no matter how brave and competent he can become at the end of Wano.

[modest skiff]

I think you're losing track of the fact that Momo is 8 years old. He can be a gifted leader and whatnot and still be 8 years old. I think he still benefits from the journey, not just to be able to learn haki and be strong, but to learn more in a way you can only do outside of Wano

[tacit veldt]

The same goes, and even more, for Tama. Sure Roger had Shanks and Buggy with him but we dont know the circumstances in which he picked them on his ship and also for how young they were they were still competent and experienced pirates. Momo would have to learn everything about being a pirate in a very short time and that's not really plausible. Plus, we already had a similar character arc with Chopper back when he joined, so i dont really see what narrative purpose Momo would serve

[open vault]

That same argument could be used in the other way as because he is 8 years old he would only be a burden in a pirate crew just like when luffy( who was much braver at the similar age) asked shanks to join he didn't allow it as he knew there was no use to him in a pirate crew at that time and not only that I don't think anyone unless they are really talented is learning haki at the age of 8

[tacit veldt]

And if he has to join because it turns out his presence is crucial in reaching Laugh Tale, i still think the SHs would object and find a different path

[modest skiff]

Plenty of crews get kids to mentor and they aren't thrown into major battles. Luffy doesn't need to play it safe and Momo isn't normal. I'd argue Momo has been through more than Luffy did in his first year as a pirate.

[open vault]

I think after reaching laugh tale he could be of great importance

[open vault]

Regardless I don't think even Momo would really want to be on this journey or even ask for it

[modest skiff]

Maybe, guess we'll find out eventually

[tacit veldt]

Yeah sure after that he's 100% going to be crucial, be it as an ancient weapon or just as the shogun of Wano. But they're not going to pick him up and bring him along to fight the remaining emperors, that's for sure

[open vault]

Ye that's what I mean he's too young to be impactful in any way on the journey to laugh tale and not only that he doesn't seem to have that hunger for journeys as some other ppl we have met like vivi or smt

[tacit veldt]

Also let's not forget that Momo has shown no interest in following in his father's footsteps and see the world so far, nor does he seem so attached to the SHs to want to stay by their side like Vivi was (and still chose to go with her responsibilities as a kingdom's heir)

[open vault]

Exactly what I was saying if anything yamato resembles oden more

[tacit veldt]

Yeah Yamato seems to be so far quite clearly the Oden of Luffy's journey: picked up late, immediately begged to embark with him even without knowjng much about him, is likely going to be crucial to reach the end goal

Plus Yamato presence seems to tie in Ace's legacy quite elegantly

[open vault]

Ye the only thing I'm quite annoyed about slightly is that Yamato has odens journal or had it and read it so he already knows almost all there is to know

It kind of ruins the beauty of the crew being unaware of their greatness in a way

[tacit veldt]

I expect the journal to contain just hints and nothing concrete about what actually lies ahead. Yamato and Momo seemed to draw some conclusions from it, but not know exactly what to do. It all seems pretty hazy, and those hazy hints might be what propels the story forward since the SHs dont really know how to proceed after Wano except finding a Red Poneglyph that disappeared 20 years ago

[open vault]

Ye what I really want to know is what luffys dream is and Yamato knows that

It seems simple but I think it's an important plot point

It's something beyond piracy

[tacit veldt]

I think it's somehting along the lines of throwing the party of all parties

Something Roger said and Oden wrote on his journal to paint a picture of the man that amazed him so much

[supple nimbus]

I mean in about less than 6 months he's already come to face Kaido.........

[glad raft]

Maybe in timeskip after they find one piece , Momo could be the main character

[supple nimbus]

Of Two Piece?

[errant nova]

Momo is reading the journal also it’s likely there’s important info regarding what the true dawn is more than go here and reach laugh tale

[pseudo citrus]

After the recent chapters, I've also been thinking again about what Luffy's real dream is... we know:
-Luffy said it when he was young
-Ace thought it was embarrassing to repeat
-Roger said it to Oden
-Maybe something that made Yamato confident that he is Joyboy/Nika
So my new angle is: Luffy/Roger's dream is to "make the whole world smile". We know that One Piece made everyone on Roger's crew laugh, but also that they got there too early... maybe Roger's plan was to announce it's existence at his execution so that someone else would reveal it to the rest of the world, thereby making them the whole world smile like he did. The reason why he was too early was that much of world is under the control of the Celestial Dragons, so the whole world can only smile once someone (Luffy/Joyboy/Nika) defeats the Celestial Dragons and frees everyone. It also ties in with the whole running them of smiling through the show (people smiling when they die, SMILE fruits, etc.).

[errant nova]

Luffy don’t give a fuck about people smiling

[modest skiff]

The part of this that I agree with: there is some sort of thing about the one piece that either directly or indirectly liberates the world in a somewhat instant way against the CDs. Whether that’s information that is broadcasted or something else, I have no idea

[hazy ferry]

I'm going with arturls theory of it being 'i want to have the biggest party/feast in the world' cause it's basically 'to bring everyone in the world together in a gathering where we dont fight and just have fun' and the feasts are something that they always have after each big fight

[zinc iris]

For me it's about going to space
Like kids saying "I'm going to become an astronaut"

[ancient vault]

Nah oars is normal as far as we know

[split hornet]

Isn't Luffy doing that slowly, like Mihawk stated

[modest skiff]

I think that's the pre-requisite, not the grand finale

[ancient vault]

I already made this theory at thw start of the year

[modest skiff]

yeah i mean a lot of people have made the connection of laughing and D and them all liking to party. Doesn't feel like people "making" the theory so much as discussing it

[ancient vault]

Nah the partying is sth totally sifferent from laughing

[split hornet]

It's a puzzle now if you add everything, also him feeling emotions
And talking about the character of his opponents

[ancient vault]

Partying ties more into "dancing" which Ive seen some ppl theorize recently

[modest skiff]

ya

[split hornet]

"Laughing" though wouldn't fit teach, law and maybe dragon in a way

[pure raven]

unrelated but the SMILE fruits really do play into the whole theme of partying. It really makes so much sense.

Everything is either: Sun & Moon or Joy, smiling, laughter, etc

[ancient vault]

Yeah I didnt say D means strictly laugh (:D) tho

[split hornet]

Yeh whitebeard killed that too saying you're not the man Roger is waiting for teach, so it's a specific one

[ancient vault]

wdym by its a specific one?

the D. part? Do you mean that every D member has a different meaning for D?

[split hornet]

No i think they all have something in common, like stated before, living checkered lives, bringing storms etc, meant specific person how idk, maybe the strawhat plays also a role

[glad raft]

Oda Said that the story would continue after they finding one Piece

[runic osprey]

Of course after finding that treasure the world will be turned upside down as said by whitebeard

[last halo]

The one piece to the ancient weapons:

• Hey, Uranus, you know what they've been calling me? One Piece
• So? Isn't that your name?
• It is actually One Peace.

[ancient vault]

I find it interesting that Kaido already had the numbers at least 20 years ago
We can see one in the oden flashback

[reef berry]

I find it interesting that kaido has the numbers for over 20 years, actually crazy dont you think guys?

[ancient vault]

lol

white names trolling again in #manga-theories

[reef berry]

thats pretty racist to say man

[ancient vault]

not really

[light pond]

White name just meant ur new here and have not yet got any role try #old-role-info

[ancient vault]

Kaido bought ancient giants from PH at least 20 years ago
MADS was dissolved 24 years ago by the WG and arrested
VP since then on worked for the WG
Yonji speaks as if only Judge managed to escape but we saw Queen at least 23 years ago with Kaido
So possibly either Queen escaped himself too or it was Kaido who freed him 24 years ago

[open vault]

What chapter is this ?

[ancient vault]

840

[open vault]

For some reason I don’t remember any mention of this at all😂

[queen arrow]

where did you get the 24 and 23 years ago

[ancient vault]

1. Yonji said before we were born and the oldest reiju is 24 years old

2. Queen here 23 years ago

[light pond]

Now is caesar with them or did vegapunk worked with him after MADS?

[ancient vault]

way later

MADS was most likely located in Punk Hazard before the entire chaos and were the ones responsible for the gigantification and the ancient giants experiments. I think this is how Kaido actually found queen

[light pond]

I do think queen was the one who sold the numbers

Before that i thought queen was the one who released kaido when he was getting experimented on but it seems unlikely now

Or it could be if Judge was really the only member of MADS who escaped and queen was with vegapunk when they gets captured and he was forced to work with the government then he escaped with kaido

And Queen was angry with judge cause he left them

Can be a good plot in sanji vs queen fight

[ancient vault]

that would mean Kaido was experimented on between 24 and 23 years ago

or more so 23 years ago

[light pond]

Could be since it seems that that happen during Kaido's weaker years

Just kinda funny that Queen was in MADS and worked on linage factor yet he could not make SMILE

[ancient vault]

Maybe it isnt rhat he couldnt but rather he just wasnt interested

[light pond]

Well kaido could force him to make some since caesar is long gone now lol

Or queen is just lazy lol

[ancient vault]

Or hes working on sth else mhm

[amber oar]

probably longer ago.

Oden's brief return was 25 years ago, and Wano was already changed

[ancient vault]

it was said VP experimented on him by Cp0. Im assuming this happened while he was woeking for the WG meaning it only couldve happened between 24 and 23 if we go by badwolfs logic

If not and kaido possibly agreed to be experimented on that would be even more genius ngl

[amber oar]

but why max 24?

The timespans go "before X", but not "after X"

[ancient vault]

because MADS disbaned 24 years ago nd thats when he started working for the WG

[amber oar]

that's what I mean

MADS disbanded before Reiju was born, but could either have been a day before, or 4 years before

[ancient vault]

or well at least 24. Then u could be right

[light pond]

I think the we still dont know when MADS got disbanded and @amber oar got a point

[ancient vault]

yup i forgot that

[ancient vault]

I do kinda hope this becomes true now tho

at least partly. Would give me a new view on kaidos character

[sly mulch]

Do you guys think that shanks Jolly Roger had the red scar before he fought Blackbeard? I thought using his red hair for the Jolly Roger would make more sense

[dusky acorn]

The jolly roger wouldn't have had the scar on the design before he fought Blackbeard. There's no way Shanks would have the foresight to know he'd eventually be scarred exactly there

I imagine before that look, his jolly roger had either a straw hat, red hair, or both

[glad raft]

Is Xebec still alive ?

[glossy void]

can blackbeard hide people in his darkness thing?

[ancient vault]

no as far as we know he was said to be dead

[sand sail]

Yes

[grizzled fog]

Dunno if they’d survive though, seems to mess things up if they get sucked in

[zinc iris]

They were harmed but still alive

[sand sail]

I imagine only harmed because he beat them down beforehand too

[zinc iris]

However I think he can store them unarmed if he wishes, maybe it was how he managed to bring sanjuan wolf outside impel down

[sand sail]

At least, I'd assume he has the choice of whether to crush or not

[grizzled fog]

Oh has he actually sucked up people before? Mb I forgot. I only remembered that the stuff he sucked up in Banaro island was all broken and shit when he shat it out

Did he suck people into his darkness in impel down?

[zinc iris]

Yes some guards

[sand sail]

He releases marines that he sucked in just as he walks up to Impel Down

[grizzled fog]

Ah. I remember now

[pure raven]

Do you think Roger was in his prime during the fight with Xebec

[sacred hawk]

I think Queen being a part of Mads might tie into Kaido's backstory.

After Rocks was defeated at God Valley, most of the members of the Rocks Pirates managed to escape God Valley. However, a young Kaido wasn't so lucky and got captured. (He probably got abandoned by the other Rocks Pirates, which would add some nice context to this line)

However, instead of being sent to prison, Kaido was probably sent to Punk Hazard to be used as a lab rat. Since Kaido would have had his devil fruit by this point, this is probably around the time that Vegapunk extracted his DNA to make the replica devil fruit

We know that many members of MADS were captured and absorbed into the marines, so Queen was probably working under Vegapunk, which is likely how Kaido and Queen would have first met

So I think Queen probably broke Kaido out, and that's how the Beasts Pirates were founded

[fathom matrix]

Sure, I think, but the darkness in his body crushes things, so it's more like "I can hide the bodies" than "I can hide people"

[fathom matrix]

Hell, maybe Linlin gave him the fruit, but said "BYE" afterwards. Like she had to get out of there, but quickly gave him the fruit and shouted "I GOTTA GO KAIDO, BUT YOU OWE ME ONE!"

[reef grotto]

since king is a rare species, he might've been experimented on too

it'd be weird if queen was the first mate, they should be either unspecified or equal in terms of order of entry

[ember trench]

The calamities are all of equal rank but King has the presence of a de facto number two

[reef grotto]

well yeah he could be the first mate himself

[sacred hawk]

That's entirely possible. King could have hit it off with Kaido in captivity, so Kaido could have brought him along.

In fact, if we want to go even further beyond with this theory, maybe Kaido's wife was also a prisoner there. And after they broke out, Kaido founded the Beasts Pirates, with King, Queen and Mamato as the original three calamities

[ember trench]

Do wonder what we will get about Yamato’s birth mom

If she was even important to Kaido or just a fling

[reef grotto]

considering this is one piece, it's possible we won't see anything

either this or the mom is crocodile

[pure raven]

no idea and honestly speaking I'm unsure if it'd even matter

[ember trench]

We probably will get something

[pure raven]

Oda's very weird about moms

[ember trench]

She might not be an important person to Kaido but we’ll get something about the circumstances of Yamato’s birth

[reef grotto]

oda legit had no idea what to do with luffy's mom

[pure raven]

On one hand he's saying that Luffy's mom doesn't matter because it's his life journey and a man's journey begins when he leaves his mother's arms.

On the other hand we got the entire weird ordeal with Sanji's mom

[reef grotto]

I doubt he's gonna make a big deal out of yamato's

[ember trench]

Oda is inconsistent about that

He’s talked before about how it might be interesting to go into the details of Luffy’s birth with Dragon

That’s just something he told a voice actor in the end. I kind of fully expect him to go into Luffy’s family tree with Dragon and Garp.

Even if his mom isn’t a major character herself

[plucky obsidian]

I just assumed Yamato's mom was Black Maria because of the resemblance

[pure raven]

black maria is 1 year older than yamato

[plucky obsidian]

lol

[neon shoal]

This guy has a good point

[pure raven]

Oda writes in patterns if that wasn't already clear

[queen arrow]

both also took over a country, and royalty for that country traveled with the straw hat pirates back to it

[neon shoal]

even so we know to expect

[pure raven]

yea and i'm questioning what point you're trying to make

[sand sail]

This guy's point is kinda bad, Luffy's had 3 rounds already

[neon shoal]

im saying that im suprised that oda using the same vivi story as wano. thats all

[pure raven]

did you like... skip all of dressrosa?

[neon shoal]

nevermind

[neon shoal]

I literally assumed that until i saw wiki

[acoustic citrus]

What would black bears third devil fruit be credit to / grand line review

[open vault]

Probably a mythical zoan

[prime bluff]

What is it about one piece and mom

We have no idea who is luffy mom
Zoro
Yamato
Shanks father and mom

[grizzled fog]

They simply aren’t important most of the time in those cases

[prime bluff]

We need to see oda simping on some milfs

[rigid wadi]

Those mothers either won't be shown or will just be another dead mothers without relevance to plot besides 2 flashbacks

[pure raven]

So true.

[rigid wadi]

What do you think about the theory of Tama being a Kurozumi Family member? Many people believe that is a fact that Will be shown at the end of Wano

[pure raven]

The cerberus fruit for the 3 heads

[rigid wadi]

Bro Black María has 29 and Yamato 28, she can't be Yamato's mother unless Kaido did such a dark thing......

[hasty python]

pretty sure 1 yr olds cant give birth

[amber oar]

that's why he said... "until I saw the wiki"

can't people read a full 8-word sentence?

[brazen lantern]

Anyone got any idea at what epsidoe marco is supposed to appear

[oak mural]

984-6?

[prime bluff]

Marco who

[foggy anvil]

anyone have theory about one piece treasure

[pure raven]

It’s a bathing suit

[foggy anvil]

[fast granite]

Alr guys hear me out i know my theory is stupid. It's about black beard devil fruit the yami yami no mi or the black black fruit. So what we know about black beard devil fruit from the fight with ace and in the paramount war is that his devil fruit is a logia devil fruit but u can touch him without haki and he feels more pain than a normal person. In the paramount war shirohegi( whitebeard) gets killed by Blackbeard and he places a huge clock around white beard and somehow gets white beard devil fruit. yesterday I was preparing for a physics test about heat and thermal radiation. I was revising emitters and absorbers and it tells that black is the best emitter of thermal radiation as well as the best absorber lets forget about the heat and thermal part and focus on black being the best absorber and emitter. I think that's how the yami yami no mi works. The devil fruit can absorb anything even devil fruits like a black hole (I think there is a limit to what he can absorb) but that's only half of his power his devil fruit can also emit what he absorbs. Black beard absorbs white beard devil fruit but he can also emit his devil fruit therefore making it his own. but there are side effect such as u can touch him physically and he feels more pain but a small price to pay.

what are ur guys thoughts

[sand robin]

The best theory about yami2 fruit is BB is three person in one body, that the reason he can hold more than 1 devil fruit

[rapid saffron]

Anyone else hate the idea of joy boy being the previous gomu gomu fruit user?

Kinda theory about Imu, They were granted immortality form the previous ope ope user and has good knowledge on the void century and all ancient weapons

[runic osprey]

Could definitely be true but what confused me was during the dressrosa arc when luffy was down and burgess tried to attack him. Burgess said he was going to steal luffy df while confronting him with a knife. Either black beard crew knows a trick on how to manage to get the df from a death corpse
Or burgess wanted bring luffy to blackbeard and he would get the df from him

[rapid saffron]

Yes, as well as how he is able to give fruits to his crew

[grizzled fog]

Could’ve easily just had a fruit nearby and expected it to reappear after luffy died. We know fruits reappear in the world when their user dies

[rapid saffron]

What about morias Subortinate who had the invisable fruit, he was alive and transfered his fruit?

[grizzled fog]

No, he died and they stole it.

[rapid saffron]

Oh yeah im dumb she transformed herself to look like him

[junior cape]

Zoro isnt gonna get up next chapter. No matter how effective Chopper's drugs are, healing bones takes time. I expect him to be back in the ring about when Marco gives up on King, so in about 3 chapters.

[hasty python]

luffy and brook growing bones instantly by drinking milk: are you sure about that?

[junior cape]

That's for comedic purposes

Also, brook is nothing but bones

As for zoro, his bones aren't cracked, they're shattered

That is worlds different

Cracked bones, you can press back together to have them mend over time. Simple, easy, done all the time. Shattered bones are way different. You gotta remove the broken chunks that are loose, then reassemble what you can, before casting it up for MONTHS.

Zoro is down, and he's staying down, for at least a few more chapters

As for later, he's gonna be in worse pain than after thriller bark

There is also the danger of too much being lost. If that's the case, the body may just cut its loss and you no longer have bones you can use.

So, again, Zoro is DOWN. He's not getting up for a while.

[pure raven]

Wait and see, your reasoning isnt strong enough to make a guarantee

[junior cape]

I know that

But I'm operating on the knowledge that Chopper isnt going to let him run off half-cooked, either

[hasty python]

as if zoros just gonna obey chopper and stay away from battle

[junior cape]

You underestimate the respect Zoro has for Chopper

[grizzled fog]

Uh that’s not actually gonna matter if zoro had the strength to move man. Zoro has outright disobeyed chopper telling him to rest before

[junior cape]

Yeah, but that was in situations where he could afford to be a stubborn ass. The raid is not one of those times. It's either cooperate, or get blown away.

One of those times was between Alabasta and Jaya. Zoro disobeyed Chopper's orders because he assumed there would be enough time between encounters for it to not matter. And then a galleon fell from the sky, and they went to kick God's ass. That took course over like a week, plus any time it took to get to Jaya.

In the raid, there is no downtime to heal up. Taking a mystery drug and ignoring all consequences is basically destined to fail, and there's no time to spare on stupid decisions.

[grizzled fog]

Zoro wants to get back in the fight as soon as possible. Consequences are gonna happen regardless. This medicine could very well heal him extremely quickly, don’t be surprised if he ends up getting up the next time we see him

[fast granite]

def the second one where he takes luffy to bb and bb extracts the fruit from luffy and gives it to burgess

[grizzled fog]

Um no. Not at all.

[sand robin]

Oda rush using unknown drugs to revive Zoro, yes i doubt that but oda have a plan using Zoro next chapter

[coarse hinge]

Zoro helping Kid & Law against Big Mama?

[grizzled fog]

Not likely at all. Zoro is almost definitely not fighting an emperor again

[coarse hinge]

Then who?

[grizzled fog]

King is most likely. But really even jack is more likely than an emperor

[sand robin]

Oda tend to surprise us, so zoro & luffy & yamato vs kaido

[fast granite]

and whose fighting bif mom- kid , law ?

[coarse hinge]

So Marco will carries everyone on the battlefield?

[grizzled fog]

Kid, law. Jinbe could join. Killer and Hawkins could join. Even brook could join

Kid and law will definitely be the main forces in that fight. Having zoro there would honestly take away from their fight. Really it’d be best if we don’t have any strawhats in her fight, it is a possibility that hawkins and killer will join and those four will be all that fights BM

[coarse hinge]

If Strawhats better didn't join. Then which fight that Jinbe & Brook could join to help?

[fast granite]

exactly like starwhats take on kaido and kid and law crew with hawkins and the turned gifters and anyone else fight big mim

[coarse hinge]

If Luffy also being credited for beat BM after Kaido , his bounty will be 5 billion up

[tiny forum]

[neon shoal]

No I mean i looked at black maria wiki and realize black maia’ 29 years old and knew black maria can’t be one. maybe yamato half sibling but not mom

And let us hope kaido didnt dark thing 😳

[rapid oar]

mother might be ace

[neon shoal]

Wha

[turbid jasper]

Before that one guy comes in to try and remind us of something Oda said long before Onigashima about horns being meaningless, just gonna say I agree there's no way Black Maria isn't related in some way to Kaido and Yamato. Maybe not blood or familial, but there's a reason Kaido and Yamato hav horns.

[prime bluff]

Just gonna leave the rest to imagination

[craggy pumice]

Still dont have to be connected to Black Maria

[neon shoal]

I just find it adorable black maria and Yamato have similar horn and similar chopstick hairstyle or black maria case sword hairstyle. It cute

[sturdy hawk]

Horns are rule of cool idk why you still pay attention to them

[neon shoal]

Because horns are cool

That’s why

[neon shoal]

And what do you mean why pay attention to them?

[sturdy hawk]

!horns

[lone hedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/486983010025996299/703457603887300608/unknown.png

[keen portal]

Well black Maria is 29. Yamato is 28.

They share a contemporary sense of fashion perhaps

[rapid oar]

maybe big mom and kaido had 2 kids, katakuri went with big mom and yamato stayed with kaido

[pure raven]

That wouldn't work because Oven, Katakuri and Daifuku are triplets

[keen portal]

And Katakuri and yamato are born 20 years apart

[visual merlin]

among other issues

[neon shoal]

Maybe a possibility but big mom doesnt have horns like yamato. honestly since yamato first mention I literally thought big mom’s yamato parent and katakuri father is kaido

[visual merlin]

On top of the things Thomas and Elvaria already mentioned, Big mom sees Kaido as a little brother, and the timelines wouldn't really add up anyway

so it's pretty safe to say they have no children together

not yamato or katakuri

[neon shoal]

sorry i still dont get your point about horn even after gave link

honestly im still really confused why you put “why pay attention to them”

[sand robin]

Black maria is Yamato's mom

[visual merlin]

I don't think that's possible

[coarse hinge]

Maria is Yamato's sibling

Maybe Kaido impregnated many Geisha

[queen arrow]

Black Maria can't be Kaido's daughter

[coarse hinge]

The horns were similar

[weary cliff]

At most, half-siblings. But there's not even a hinted relationship so far, so don't count on it

[queen arrow]

did you not see how Black Maria acted with Kaido

[pure raven]

Yo uh what if rocks kid is actually kid himselg

[queen arrow]

Rocks doesn't have a "missing kid" that someone needs to fill the position off, and Eustass Kid certainly doesn't align since by the time he was born Rocks has been dead for more than 10 years

[rapid oar]

kids dad is probably someone who is too dumb to come up with a name or someone that doesnt care at all about them

[pure raven]

Maybe it was more like aces birthday but with a bigger d and they carried for longer

[queen arrow]

that's dumb

and a stretch, and a reused plot point

[languid rune]

There’s a theory that captain John is kids dad

[queen arrow]

i doubt there's an in-universe reason for Kid being named Kid, it's probably there just for the William Kidd referrence

[pure raven]

Ikik

[pure raven]

Truth be told I don't see people's fascination with like the missing kid

This entire story has been about inherited will regardless of actual bloodline or not. Literally the most problematic trio of brothers aren't even related and they each take on the will/ideals of other people also not related to them.

Having something say "Blackbeard is actually Xebec's son!" is so boring and off brand for Oda

[acoustic citrus]

ussop will become one of the emperors of the sea

ace get reincarnate

buggy learns to take peoples body parts with the chop chop fruit

[neat inlet]

i just realized who's who declared his will to kill someone (shanks) all the way back to chapter 981
i don't think who's who is done for, him being set up so early means he's probably gonna have his moment against shanks in some way after all

[modest skiff]

It feels like a really good fit for WW to join Kid, as others have said

[rigid wadi]

No way CP0 allows that

They stated that if WW is not even dead, they would make sure he dies anyways

[modest skiff]

I think CP0 is in over their heads. They have wildly underestimated Luffy/Kid/Law

[rigid wadi]

Kid and Law are getting enough screen with the BM fight

No way they fight CP0 too

[modest skiff]

Maybe, but my point is that I don't think CP0 has the ability to determine what Kid/Law/Luffy do. Either they sneak away with WW because no one cares or they don't get WW. They won't get WW if anyone else wants him

[neat inlet]

I'm also kinda curious about Kaido's motives-
in chapter 982 he says "it's too bad, though... if a man [Kanjuro] who was so utterly trusted claims that Oden never told him anything... then it would seem that he [Oden] gave no hints to his samurai about getting to laugh tale!!"

but then in the recent chapters Kaido is clearly more interested about Joy Boy and his arrival to Wano. What is he expecting, exactly? to see how the prophecy gets fulfilled and then travel to Laugh Tale? those movites seem to contradict each other in my opinion

[modest skiff]

I think Kaido sees 2 potentially great outcomes:

1. He is killed by Joyboy, who he seems to believe is the greatest warrior or something

2. He reaches laugh tale and becomes the pirate king

Even though Kaido has clearly made a big deal out of wanting to fight strong people and seems to want to die maybe, I don't think he'd see Laugh Tale as a bad outcome. I think he's still motivated to find the one piece, but he would settle for dying to Joyboy

[neat inlet]

feels like Oda is setting up Kaido as the one who will be very close to see Laugh Tale but dies right before it, or something like that
I mean, I can't see any other outcome for "Joy Boy will open up Wano" other than Kaido's death

which also leaves big mom in a weird territory, maybe she belongs more to an arc about the rocks pirates, idk

[modest skiff]

I think Kaido inserted himself into Wano so that he would be directly in Joyboy's way, so that Joyboy would need to fight Kaido in order to open Wano. Its not clear what information Kaido has, but he seems to think Joyboy defends Wano in some way

[neat inlet]

i agree with that theory, hence why his wish to find Laugh Tale and One Piece seem kinda out of place, as if he's playing with the idea rather than going for it. he's obviously could find the laugh tale long ago if he'd just focus on that

starting with Jake and the minks kingdom

(since he needed Kanjuro to locate Zou)

[modest skiff]

Another possibility is that he thinks if he captures Joyboy, he could find the one piece and perhaps other information that way

[rigid wadi]

BM will scape with BM Pirates(Those Who made nothing in 817273373 chapters) and Will be an enemy in Elbaf

And Imo is were Luffy Will be shown to even surpass those Yonko lvls, getting easy on BM in Elbaf,after defeating Kaido in Wano

[neat inlet]

very unlikely, since we saw Roger and he knew nothing about Joy Boy prior to Laugh Tale. his intel about Joy Boy emerged from someplace else

[rigid wadi]

We still don't know how Kaido knows about Joyboy

[neat inlet]

kinda fits with the idea that you don't need joy boy to reach laugh tale

[modest skiff]

One of the glyphs talks about Joyboy and we know Roger got all the glyphs. So Roger definitely knew about Joyboy before reaching laugh tale

[pure raven]

honestly speaking I'm very lost on the why some of the yonko even want to go to laugh tale beyond the fact to see what roger saw/did cause most of them seem/feel like they're more preoccupied with other stuff

[neat inlet]

good point, but didn't roger kinda dismissed joy boy only to realize he's a key character when he arrived to laugh tale?

[cyan berry]

@acoustic citrus keep this channel meme free please

[random trout]

Maybe Kaido has been given a prophecy that he will be defeated by Joyboy in Wano. That maybe the reason he is waiting in Wano. That's why when he defeats Luffy, he tells that he is not Joyboy. Once he is defeated, there is no point for him to stay at Wano, as the prophecy is full-filled.

Maybe this prophecy will be shown in his flashback.

[pure raven]

Everyone really do be watching and waiting for that Kaido flashback

[neon shoal]

Honestly we don’t know too much about kaido or why kaido interested in joy boy and his arrival but one piece hopefully will reveal why kaido is interested in joy boy
But i kinda believe that the reason kaido is interested is because kaido inherit his former captain rock d xebec goal and ambition

[pure raven]

@random trout yeah maybe, we know also that kaido want to kill himself but in the same moment he want to go to raftel there is a contradiction in his goals

[neat inlet]

Also, a hint about Kaido's past in chapter 987:
(Talking to the Akazaya Nine): "[but] Pirates will betray you. When they know you'll lose, they will abandon you and sail away."

BM gave Kaido his devil fruit, his source of power basically, seems like his past story revolve around "desertion"

[neon shoal]

Im not sure but knowing one piece we will get a better picture of kaido plan or past

[pure raven]

And that's gonna make wano arc even longer than it's already been which I dislike 😥😅

[tiny forum]

Bro have you forgot about announcement that he made during onigashima event?

Well it's a still mystery why he wants to die

[pure raven]

What intrigue me is his allure is likely an Asian one so I have some doubt that his birth place is wano maybe

And that like oden was taken by Roger and white beard, kaido was taken by the rocks from wano

Like doflamingo come back to dressrosa to rule it, kaido did the same for wano 🤔

• the fact he eat a zoan fruit related mythologicaly to Japan and Asians the carp going through the gate and ascending to dragon hood, 😅 from street child to ruler of the country

[modest skiff]

My perspective is that they realized if some yonkos build empire infrastructure while others focus only on OP, empire builders win the long game

[pure raven]

@modest skiff but the final game is unification of the world so who find one piece destroy what other built for 800 years long

[modest skiff]

What I am saying is: Lets say Kaido never builds an empire, just uses his crew to just find the one piece. He may lose men along the way. He may lose a ship along the way. If he isn't making a conscious effort to tend to his empire, keeping it growing, staying competitive with his peers, any time he loses resources or fighters, they aren't being restocked. In that regard, someone would need to either be so dominant they have plenty "leftover" (Like Roger) resources or they need to essentially build a factory of income in order to fund their journey.

[cedar sinew]

The yonko want to reach One Piece to see what Roger saw and find One Piece, that's exactly the reason. Them being preoccupied with other things doesn't deny the fact that a lot of the yonko's final goals are/were PK/finding One Piece.

and the final game isn't the unification of the world

not sure what made you think that at the end of OP everythign resets to a blank slate

[modest skiff]

I would expand on this by saying we don't know what each yonko's motivations are regarding the One Piece journey. I think we can all agree Shanks, BB and Kaido likely all have different goals

Even if they all have some desire to control or reach or whatever the one piece, I think they all likely have a different purpose or hope for it

[cedar sinew]

Shanks has a different one I agree.
I don't think BB and Kaido are different. Even if they are, there's nothing that suggests they're different

[cedar sinew]

Also adding on to this, a bigger reason for Kaido wanting a massive empire is for a potential BIG war. I'm not sure if this has been directly mentioned or implied but Kaido does want to take part in a massive war, regardless of if it's related to One Piece.

and like BM for example has an aspect with a totally different inner motive, with unity and everything

[modest skiff]

My rough estimation:

Shanks: Support for Joyboy
Kaido: Glory and the perfect fight
BB: Revenge
BM: Unification

This is what I (somewhat baseless) assume the core motivations are for each of the

I don't have much to say as to details, but my impression is that these are the "cores" of their motivations, if that makes sense

[cedar sinew]

yeah I can see that. Though idk how that changes what I said, unless you were just introducing a random point

[modest skiff]

Yes, agreed. In some ways, you could say Kaido's goals are the reader's fan service goals . Kaido wants this truly glorious battle where he either barely wins or barely loses. I have to be honest. There is still a BIG lurking feeling in me that Kaido is NOT so "basic" as to only want glorious combat. I think its totally possible Kaido was essentially written as the saiyan of One Piece, but I also have a suspicion he will be fleshed out and have more "advanced" motives.

Sorry, I wasn't saying it changes what you said, just kind of expanding on that line of thought.

[amber oar]

I don't think Kaido is "the saiyan of One Piece", at all. The more we know about Kaido the deeper he seems.
I always say this, Kaido looks like a generic brute in the surface, but he has shown several layers of personality, interactions and wits

[cedar sinew]

Truthfully, I don't know what more to expect from a Kaido flashback other than just like.. a brief explanation of why he likes to fight so much? Though that's already somewhat deducible and doesn't need an "explanation". The same way WB wanting a family during his flashback didn't need much of an explanation. The only characters that really needed it is BM to explain all the craziness around her.

[modest skiff]

This is what I think too, but I also started to wonder if One Piece would benefit from having a 1-dimensional character. But I always end up deciding "No, One Piece is great because no one is 1-dimensional"

[amber oar]

I'd argue Enel was that character. He didn't have any particular motivations, he just wanted to wreck stuff and be god

[cedar sinew]

so was like Lucci and many others

the term 1 dimensional in the first place is pretty subjective and vague though

[modest skiff]

At risk of creating an Enel discussion, I will simply say I think there's more to it than that

[hollow bison]

Hey guys

Seeing where you guys are talking about characters motives right?

[fading thorn]

kaidos flashback might have some xebec info

[stuck sundial]

Not really about manga but during skypiea when the straw hats met black beard on the street Zoro was turned away from him while the other 2 looked his direction so I think he will either die or have to give up on his dream

[dusky acorn]

Looking back at Ch 225 you're right, Zoro was the one who never faced Blackbeard for even a single panel of his speech. Well, minute speculation on body language/postures during certain scenes are interesting, but not typically accurate in this sort of way. It's inserting your own interpretation into the specific look of the scene and how it potentially foreshadows to you, right

But Jaya was all about reiterating that Zoro is just like Luffy and Nami. He's one of those people that still does believe in tall dreams like Sky Island existing or becoming WSS.

I think it'd be a pretty dire leap if he's the one who doesn't achieve his dream, especially when his is relatively straight forward compared to some others. I'm not sure what would stop him besides self-sacrifice for a crew member like TB

I don't think there'd ever be a scenario where he simply loses a battle directly on the path to his dream. Like, if the fight with Mihawk ever comes, there's no doubt in my mind he'd actually be winning that

[spice patrol]

Can't garp or luffy beat the likes of akainu with conquerer's haki coated attacks? Or am i misunderstanding what it does?

[runic osprey]

Luffy might be able to if he completely masters it in the future but i dont think garp would be able to in his old age

What do you guys think of this theory?
Rayleigh being the former Word strongest swordsman he got defeated by mihawk for the title. Or there are some theories speculating that mihawk could possibly be Rayleigh son
Anyway there is a clear connection between these 2

[grizzled fog]

Basing that on some patterns on the inside of his clothing is a huge stretch

[amber oar]

everybody knows clothes are inherited
Luffy actually was born with a tiny Marine coat, he had to get it surgically removed by the Red Hair pirates' doctor

[runic osprey]

It cant be a coincidence that they both have the exact same patterns just different color coats to me it seems a bit strange. Also there was something mentioned by Rayleigh that made a lot of people think that he could have had a son but obviously we dont know with certainty

[grizzled fog]

It can absolutely be a coincidence

[floral bear]

maybe oda just likes that pattern

its probably somewhere else too

[grizzled fog]

It doesn’t even seem to be the same pattern lmfao. It’s too small to even tell

[runic osprey]

To me it seems strange that oda would give mihawk the same design of coat that rayleigh used to wear in his old days with the same patterns without having meaning to it.

[queen arrow]

it's 150% a coincidence

they both have a generic flower pattern in their clothing, that's about it

[exotic echo]

Yamato will cut Kaido and be boiled in a pot of oil due to her clothes being the same as Oden's

I appreciate you picking up on the finer details, but I don't think this is going to add up to anything significant. It's just a coat.

[floral bear]

that is actually more likely than the mihawk rayleigh thing seeing as yamato put those clothes on with oden in mind

[exotic echo]

That was a joke, I shouldn't even be joking in this channel anyway

[queen arrow]

saying that Rayleigh might have been the former WSS because of the pattern in his clothing is a stretch, saying that he might be Mihawk's father is an even bigger one

[fading thorn]

do we know the backstory of any of the warlords? besides buggy

[visual merlin]

boa, jinbe, law, doffy, crocodile?, Moriah?,

[fading thorn]

boa?

[visual merlin]

was a CD slave

[fading thorn]

oh yea i forgot

i think doffy has the most elaborate backstory

makes me think he'll be relevant to future stories

[grizzled fog]

He’ll probably play a part in the final war. But not a huge one

[tiny forum]

Many of you already know about this

[modest skiff]

Yeah thats why I have been researching behavior of the indian rubber tree lmao...nothing of note found yet...

[fading thorn]

agreed but where would he contribute? i dont think hed join with luffy but i also dont think hed go back to the WG

[modest skiff]

I think he would do a lot if he thought it meant dismantling the CDs

[grizzled fog]

Could be a temporary alliance with one party. Or he could easily be his own third party wreaking havoc

[fading thorn]

that seems more of the revolutionaries thing

hm, do u guys believe blackbeard will do a second round of breaking in Impel down and recruiting prisoners?

[floral bear]

he definitely is capable of it

but is there anyone worth getting out i doubt doflamingo would even want to work with him but maybe

[fading thorn]

i could see him working with another emperor tbh

is there a possibility of him getting to lvl 5.5?

[floral bear]

well shiryu has invisibility so its definitely possible for them to sneak in and do something

[tiny forum]

Well look at series of events that took place
First declaring Luffy as fifth emperor
Then shanks came in wanted to talk about certain pirates
Then shanks said it's finally time for us to meet
Next oden appears and waiting for joyboy to appear
Now recent one is kaido said you can't be joyboy
And appearance of new persona the sun god nika
I guess they both are same person nika and joyboy

[quick phoenix]

Mysteries for me so far still unanswered:
Uranus - one of ancient weapon where is it
Vegapunks Identity
Joyboy's entire adventures, and its identity.
Identity and adventures/stories about rocks pirates and its captain.
Laugh Tale, (former ignorance know in past as Raftel) and its looks like
Imu Sama
Big Straw hat in a below zero degrees freezer
Vivi as a target of Imu Sama.
Pluton - Ancient Weapon which have blueprint and destroyed by Franky.
Void century and its history.
5 corosei's origin and who fck are they?
Where Celestial Dragons come from?
Kaido knows joyboy and confusingly comparing luffy as joyboy.
What Roger says to young Shanks after leaving Laugh Tail. That time Shanks cried?
What Shanks visit Mary Geoise to talk 5 elders about a certain pirate?
What Blackbeard to to gain 2 devil fruit ability?
Captain buggy (whcih former roger pirate) finding Captain John's Treasure and if that treasure connected to one piece?
Donflaminggo a former celestial drtagon asking Trafalgar Law's ability and his(Donflaminggo) ability can get the secrets of celetial dragons.
Why gomu gomu fruit possessed by the government that time. Is that a key story or just a story that shanks looted to them?

Any to add and some already solved here?

[slate zodiac]

Well we already know that the celestial dragons are descendants of the original kingdoms

[grizzled fog]

As for the 5 Gorosei origins, they’re celestial dragons

[slate zodiac]

You could throw in why Akainu believes in absolute justice

[grizzled fog]

I guess if you count that as a mystery

[keen portal]

That's more akin to backstory than a mystery.

[red spoke]

luffys chest is the one piece

X MARKS THE SPOT

[fading thorn]

why does robin barely fight? her devil fruit is so op

[manic pawn]

jimbei definitely has sum relation to sun god because hes the captain of the sun pirates and he seemed to be very heated once whos who started even mentioning it. there are many things jimbei most likely knows about that he couldnt tell luffy because there wasnt enough time. he could be the key to getting one step closer to joyboy or the one piece

[tiny forum]

I wish if she infuse hands and legs with armament

[fading thorn]

if robin had conquerors could she expand the effects of it by spreading out hands/legs acros the area

[grizzled fog]

Wh. Why would conquerors let her do that

[fading thorn]

i assume it’s kind of like an extension to her body

[tiny forum]

I wish if she somehow manages to infuse haki in it that would be deadly weapons

[dark palm]

@tiny forum no #other-series stuff here please ;)

[tiny forum]

Ok

[pure raven]

Normally she should at least be able to use haki every crew member have to learn how to use haki of armement

In my opinion It's illogical for them at this stage of the story not being able to Do so especially that in the new world devil fruit without haki is like a gun without bullet or like trying to catch water

I hope by the end of wano they all learn how to do so from wano people like luffy

[boreal heart]

whats the most popular theory on what the one piece is

[floral bear]

the creation of the all blue through the destruction of reverse mountain and marie jois i believe

[boreal heart]

aah kk thanks make sense

[pure raven]

Destroying red line and having all 4 oceans join in one ocean = one piece @boreal heart with the help of the 3 antic weapon

[crude ridge]

It makes sense if you think about it

[pure raven]

Isnt jimbe mad because whos who said fishman are slave??

[crude ridge]

Also a question,
is red foot zeff and red haired shanks related at all? ive been thinking about it for awhile

[hasty python]

prolly not

[icy garnet]

Shanks is a cook

[crude ridge]

nah

[cobalt kayak]

i need to see a 3d map of the one piece wold

[real marten]

Theory why Luffy can ignite his limbs with gear second and armament haki

When Gear second is activated Luffy is releasing a lot of steam meaning he is probably generating a lot of heat but the heat escapes as steam.

So when he hardens himself with armament haki the steam can't escape thereby making his limb extremely hot allowing him to ignite it.

[covert lodge]

I think it's just the animation. In the manga I haven't seen any fire that I can remember of.

[real marten]

[covert lodge]

I said I couldn't remember

[solar knoll]

did that refresh your memory

[covert lodge]

But are you sure the latest episode's manga version had it? Cz I don't think flames were shown in wano arc.

[solar knoll]

Bro recap dawg

[dark palm]

#other-series stays there pls :)

[real marten]

[dark palm]

but yeah, those eyes get shown a lot

wouldn't put much stock in a potential connection between mihawk and imu

[runic osprey]

The thing is with mihawk the eyes seem to play a big part in his reputation. We dont know about imu yet

[inland prawn]

do you guys know any ssg theory I can read?

[tiny forum]

No if you found any do tag

[inland prawn]

sure

[ancient vault]

my wapol theory suggest that his wapometal is part of SSG
#manga-theories message

[inland prawn]

NICE, I'll give it a read

[pure raven]

@real marten I think it's not mainly because of steam but because of heat + harder skin + friction with air because he push his hand backward then forward so its mainly friction with air

[hazy frigate]

I think that gomu gomu no mi was special enough for a cp9 memeber to be delivering it and also not so special to put up a bounty on luffy even though govt knew he had eaten the fruit is because either they were gonna use that fruit to replicate it's ability to manufacture similar type of rubber with durability for their experiments like pacifista or bcoz shanks would have warned the govt if they put a bounty on luffy without reason he would fight them.

[fathom matrix]

Honestly, there's not really anything special about the eyes.

Literally the guys and girls of One Piece have differences in pupil and iris sizes, and even female eyes can for def differ, as shown with comparing robin and nami's

I think they're just eye designs, and cavandish/mihawks are just how they look, and hell, maybe Mihawk got the title of hawkeye because of they look sure, but maybe he has really good observation haki too.

[fathom matrix]

the last time he used red hawk, there were flames

There have always been flames. Like, that's what Red Hawk's known for

[desert plinth]

Stupid Luffy there, he dodge so he could hit him strong with no escape for Luffy. Kaido next level tactician

[feral pike]

Red hawk - Red hair shanks and mihawk

[pure raven]

How do you explain the flame then? Perhaps Red Hawk is more of a tribute to Ace and Shanks? Mihawk has no connections to Luffy whatsoever.

[weary cliff]

Pretty sure Morak is just meming. Red Hawk is absolutely Luffy borrowing Ace's fire fist just as he always copies his moves. The mechanics are probably just due to friction, with liberal amounts of anime. After all, it burned underwater

[pure raven]

But then...

I wonder if Oda is going to use Dragon Culverin from Pirate Warriors 4

[acoustic helm]

Nothing special about it though.

[pure raven]

I kinda liked the Dragon Illusion.

[real marten]

I guess I was still close

[ancient vault]

?

[prime bluff]

Will imu. Have gomu gomu no mi abilities

[weary cliff]

No, that's Luffy's fruit

The only known fruit copy is Momo's. Even if the WG had planned to clone the gomu gomu, it's been out of their hands for 12 years

[full prawn]

have you guys heard about mr morj's theory on kaido's obsession with death and death in general in the OPverse

[reef grotto]

it's not a theory, it's stated as fact

[reef grotto]

they already said pacifistas use that metal didn't they?

or maybe not, but if franky's using it and he's basically a pacifista then pacifistas should use it too

[ancient vault]

🤨 Wdym

[tired vector]

Anyone seen the NotMark video about the checkered theory? What do you think ?

[queen arrow]

i don't think it's stated that the pacifistas use Wapometal, just that the metal they use is very strong

[ancient vault]

who tf said that the new creation of the SSG are even pacifistas

[hazy frigate]

I think what they wanted to do with gomu gomu no mi was make similar type of rubber ..like copy it's essence ..maybe for various purposes....if you remember pacifistas use laser which is given by kizaru's power ..maybe vegapunk wanted some durable rubber for something

This way it will make gomu gomu no mi special and also not so special ..to be losing sleep over .

[pure raven]

@hazy frigate then will there be an arc for Vega punk after wano arc like it will be related to devil fruit, and in that arc luffy will learn more about his gomu gomu and awaken his power

After the arc of awakening devil fruit it will be awakening of conqueror haki with shanks

[prime bluff]

Why you are saying there will be arc for vegapunk after wano arc
It is literally the next spoiler arc

[pure raven]

What?

It's already been stated? Cause I'm juste making assumptions lol I didn't even know it is for real 😅

[hazy frigate]

Actually this is the arc where he will master conqueror haki ..as stated by kaido after defeating luffy that his technique was lacking

And it was related to conqueror haki

[pure raven]

He already is learning armement haki, in this arc if he doesn't awaken anything else besides it, at most I think he may get a weapon or awaken his fruit at most because ryou in my opinion is not enough to defeat kaido

But I doubt it's related to conqueror haki not for now, maybe an arc vs shanks or with shanks

[hazy frigate]

Umm dude you are reading wrong then..you remember the scene when zoro used his conqueror haki ...and cut kaido ..and luffy woke up and figured out the technique used by rayleigh

[pure raven]

But still it's hard to think he awaken 2 haki in one arc

[ancient vault]

Y'all are to focused on the gomu gomu no mi stuff

[hazy frigate]

We are currently talking about conqueror haki

[reef grotto]

you just contradicted yourself by admitting that the scabbards have ryou, what even is this argument

[hazy frigate]

@pure raven read chapte 1010 page 12

Luffy says " conqueror's haki, you can use it to coat yourself, right ?"

[pure raven]

@hazy frigate OK, but I'm more for the theory he learn conqueror haki from shanks or against him, and in this arc I hope he get a weapon as a power up he need one

[fathom matrix]

It was probably the first ever devil fruit, and maybe Joyboy's.

So it's not that well made or powerful by itself, BUT because of it's connections they had to retrieve it and keep it under wraps

[hazy frigate]

Luffy usually surpasses people at their own thing

And luffy isn't the type to figure out weapon as you must have seen at the beginning of wano arc

[fathom matrix]

OH I JUST REALISED!

Rubber comes from trees and so do many fruits, maybe the gum gum fruit was the "easiest" fruit to make and start off with perhaps? Maybe using actual tree sap or something?

Plus, forests and trees are signifacent in One Piece, so that's an idea

[pure raven]

@hazy frigate maybe luffy will do as you said but maybe his awakening of conqueror haki will not be complet like the level of shanks conqueror haki, if you look when shanks get in whit beard ship, the wood got cracked so even luffy master it more or less but it will not be in the level of the real awakening because conqueror haki is very rare and so the real awakening isn't something we can gauge from just him using it to win against kaido

@hazy frigate I saw the chapter you told me by the way 👍

[hazy frigate]

If you read katakuri's fight ..when they clash with their conqueror's haki things get destroyed as well ..luffy doesn't try to do that ..shanks did that to make an impact at the wb ship ..

I hope I'm not sounding against you ..😅 I'm just pointing out things that I have read ..

[fathom matrix]

It might be that when 2 conquerors clash, they sort of instinctively release conquerors as a "dominance" thing, comparing which colour of haki is stronger, so the black sparks and energy, unwilling get released.

[pure raven]

@hazy frigate or maybe shanks is doing it naturally, like he reached a level where just his normal state can do that much damage in a relaxed state

Maybe I'm wrong

[runic osprey]

You guys think rayleigh could use the advanced conquerors haki too in his younger days with roger?

[hazy frigate]

No it's not that ..shanks purposely did that and whitebeard pointed it out too..when shank says he is not here to fight, whitebeard points it out.." is that really something that comes out of the mouth of a man who is showing his "vigor and drive" to the fullest?"

[fathom matrix]

I can maybe MAYBE see him starting to awaken it, like the most he could use was observation, but nothing else.

[grizzled fog]

If he could use it in his younger days he’d probably still be able to use it. It’s definitely possible but I don’t think he ever knew it personally

[pure raven]

@hazy frigate maybe in fact what luffy and kaido are doing is the real lvl 1 of conqueror haki, because till Now the capacity of getting the weak pass out doesn't have to be the lvl 1 of CqH and there is still a lvl 2?

[hazy frigate]

Maybe not sure ...it's always about whose will is strong ..I think luffy's will is incredibly strong in comparison to others ..but he doesn't know how to do stuff like coating stuff with it

[pure raven]

But he did it to his leg when attacking kaido weapon

[hazy frigate]

Yes he did ..and we don't know what made him lose the fight ..

[pure raven]

@hazy frigate it's the way luffy use gomu gomu I think it's not the right way or the incomplete way, like kaido said the fact he was able to use coating its a good achievement but his technique of gomu gomu left a lot to be desired so maybe luffy will awaken his fruit next or get a gear 5?

[hazy frigate]

I think it was his technique of conqueror haki only as luffy just learnt it , so he is not proficient with it

Mentioning Gomu gomu no mi was for the different section related to Joyboy ..

[modest skiff]

I’ve been working my way through literature pertaining to the Indian Rubber Tree for the last week looking for clues

[pure raven]

No I think he did it very well cause kaido said between the 2 statement '' but '' which mean his first statement is true luffy was really able to coat well

[modest skiff]

I’m convinced there is something about the Indian rubber tree that will involve Luffy lmao

[hazy frigate]

indian rubber tree ...haha ..I don't know dude

[fathom matrix]

Maybe Luffy's Fruit is something that would have helped people look into the void century or tie back some things, but Imu doesn't want ANY sort of leads

or loose ends

[hazy frigate]

Have you ever noticed how BM was surprised when her attack of electricity didn't work on luffy ..or enel ..being surprised ..i know one piece world does have rubber ..

[pure raven]

How can rubber help people look in void

[hazy frigate]

What are you even saying dude

[fathom matrix]

Yeah, cause it's like "well shit, one of my strongest aspects that's almost everyone'e weakness doesn't work on this guy"

[pure raven]

And why would that be of any importance and why talk about void

[hazy frigate]

I'm not talking about void century here..I think gomu gomu no mi is special only to one person ..and that is vegapunk

For material purposes or manufacturing purposes

[fathom matrix]

like we said, rubber comes from trees, most fruits come from trees, so it's more of the idea, where if they research it or look back at it's steps, they could have looked into some stuff.

And trees/forests are an imortant part of one piece too.

[hazy frigate]

Rubber has no relation to looking back into the past unless you can see into the previous users past..😅

[worldly cairn]

ONE PIECE THEORY :
One Piece is based on a 100 year cycle and within the 100 years there are born a certain people who will bring around a new "Dawn". The leader of the people who will bring a new Dawn is a member of the D family. In this 100 year cycle ( my own thinking leads to it it possibly be Luffy/Blackbeard depending on outcomes). To bring across this new "Dawn" these certain people will come together and led by a member of the D family and throw the balance off. However if one of those people who will bring a new Dawn is eliminated then that current 100 year cycle the balance will remain. Roger claims he was too early leading me to believe that he was not born during the previous time of the chosen set people to bring across the imbalance and too early for the all of the new chosen set of people to come bring change. As said previously in order to keep balance only one "light" needs to be eliminated as all of the chosen people are needed (reference to Imu and Gorosei).

[hazy frigate]

If every hundred year two remarkable guy come in like blackbeard and luffy xabec and Roger then..more clues would have been left behind by other and not just of Roger

From how much I understand there are certain prophecies done by someone 800 years ago ..

[ancient vault]

Had a similar idea. Not set on a time limit necessarily
Those who bring the dawn bear the title of JoyBoy and my idea was that we've already seen contestants of JoyBoy:
Nika the Sun God
Binks
Noland the Liar
Roger the Pirate King

[hazy frigate]

Joyboy knew someone will fullfill the promise made to mermaid princess in his stead ...which probably is for fishman to live in land freely

*On

[pure raven]

@ancient vault I think joyboy was a rescuer not some one who bring the dawn because joyboy was in an Era of war, he saved in my opinion people and probably also made the plan of one piece for the futur generation, he tried to save the world but ended up realizing he can only rescue the futur, and I don't think this Dawn theory is right

[ancient vault]

ur taking dawn literally lol

Bringing the dawn doesnt mean literally letting the sun rise

Bringing the dawn means saving people, bringing light (as in hope) to the world and revealing the secrets that were kept in the dark. Its a word play where the dark state the OP world is in right is a metaphor for the oppressive regime that in which the WG is hiding the truth, keeping the people in the dark (unknown)

[digital epoch]

How did Nolan bring a dawn??

[ancient vault]

Noone did. Im saying maybe he couldve been a contestor for that position

[digital epoch]

Maybe. And did you notice how Nolan was executed by the government??? All of the people you mentioned were...

[errant nova]

Noland brought enlightenment (modern medicine/technology) to the Shandians. Not making any assertions but that could be a metaphorical “light” or “dawn”

[digital epoch]

I think that the WG and its allies are heavily invested in killing candidates for Joyboy wherever they find them, almost to the point of religious zeal- it makes a lot of the executions in the series suddenly make a lot more sense- Why kill Noland for lying? They didnt, the killed him for potentially being Joyboy. Why put such a huge target on Roger, aside from the obvious? To keep him from bringing about the dawn. Why kill Ace, seemingly for just being the son of the king? They didn't, they killed him because he knew too much, having talked to Yamato and Whitebeard and probably even knowing what One Piece is. I think Ace was a really good candidate for being Joyboy, considering his feats and who he knows.

Who knows how many pirates, names erased by secrecy and history, were on the verge of knowing what One Piece is and sharing it with the world, if not for the government snuffing out their light and erasing their names from history???

[cedar sinew]

they killed Noland for mockery and the fact that they wasted a ton of resources supporting/financing his travels all for him to be lying

[errant nova]

Rewatched 957 and fuck man some shit is going down in alabasta and we have no clue. Townspeople were devastated and I highly doubt it was from abolishment of warlord system - they were made aware of Croc’s betrayal. What happened to Vivi??

[cedar sinew]

and the reasons of why they executed Roger and Ace are as you said "the obvious". Of course, that has to tie back into the void century and the One Piece, but a FAR bigger reason has to do with the fact that they're pirates

keep in mind that the joyboy and the VC are mostly important to the gorosei/cds/im

the marines' first and the most important job is to protect civillians

the only thing you can attribute to the marines in regards to the void century are buster calls like Ohara

[cedar sinew]

I mean there was an attempted murder and that's all we know.

what's plausible is that Cobra had a talk with the gorosei and revealed info about pluton

and the CPs or the gorosei made a move

[reef grotto]

do you think enma will become black when zoro cuts down orochi? It seems unlikely to me, haki blooms in hard battles and orochi seems to be extremely weak

[errant nova]

I believe the attempted murder was via the revolutionary army? There were many events that happened and the only one we know are reports of sabo’s death and abolishment of the warlord system. There’s a huge mystery involving alabasta which could def tie to Vivi since we’ve seen Imu’s interest in her

[reef grotto]

if it's gonna become black it'll be against king or someone else who's strong

[cedar sinew]

there's no reason for the revos to kills cobra/vivi

yeah as you said we see Vivi on Im's kill list

pretty self explanatory that the murder was ordered by him

[hazy frigate]

Cobra could have died ..bcoz of illness

[cedar sinew]

no lol

[hazy frigate]

It is shown in the manga two times tht he is suffering from some illness

[cedar sinew]

it's litearlly stated that it was an attempted murder

and we see him talking with the gorosei

and we also see vivi on im's list

and we don't even know if he's dead

[errant nova]

The revo army attempted murder and alabasta incident seem separate

[scenic thicket]

vivis being set up to be the leader of the next world after Im

[cedar sinew]

attempted murder refers to the alabasta family

the sabo incident comes afterwards in the chapter

they straight up say Sabo is dead, and we know that he was raiding the CDs

[scenic thicket]

sabos death/capture serves to turn luffy against the WG when he gets the one piece

[brisk jungle]

no way luffy doesnt awaken his power vs kaido. I dont see how he wins without it

[brisk jungle]

why wouldnt luffy go after the wg now?

[scenic thicket]

bc oda likes upping the stakes until the last minute

[fading thorn]

theres no incentive for him to go after the WG rn plus hes a bit busy with the raid

[hazy frigate]

If we look into the whole thing ..everyone is shocked to see whatever happened to sabo ...the information that is hidden to us reader ..from reaction we could assess he could have been captured or killed or framed for some murder ..

Vivi likely is in deep trouble ..too

[brisk jungle]

hes not going to let sabo rot

remember what happened last time one of his brothers got captured

[modest skiff]

I can't imagine any situation other than this being a "re-do" of Ace and Luffy is going to turn Marie Jois into a crater

[hazy frigate]

Okay after reading the big news chapter many times ..I have concluded few things

Let me elaborate
First,
There are three main news
First being a death where Morgan wants to print an obituary
Second result of the confrence
Third the assassination attempt

How I think is
Death was of cobra (death would be due to illness but most likely later show a twist where they say govt poisoned him)

Result of conference is about abolition of shichibukai system

Third the assassination attempt is made on charlos or chalros father by sabo

Many would say so why did everyone cry bcoz of sabo's news ..I would say admirals are in pursuit to kill him right away ..

[modest skiff]

My thoughts:

"Death" was Cobra (he's not dead, he's being tortured for info)

Assassination attempt was Vivi (we don't know why)

The paper says Sabo tried to kill Vivi, Cobra leaped in front to save her, Cobra "dead" by "Sabo's" hand. In reality, Sabo was doing something totally unrelated and the WG is using the opportunity to capture Cobra.

Overall, I think a very bad event is being blamed on Sabo. And Sabo is now captured.

[hazy frigate]

Obituary can only be printed if the persons history matters .. to the world and other people who didn't know sabo said "what's up with makino the world is filled with all depressing news and we can't even drink" stating a good man like cobra died

If they knew sabo they would not say what's up with makino ..not knowing why she is sad ..

[modest skiff]

Yeah I think they are saying Cobra died, but I don't think he actually died. I think they "killed" him, blamed it on Sabo and they are interrogating him

[runic osprey]

Well we know he can use advanced armanent haki and he was in lots of fights with roger so probably saw it in action i think he would have definitely noticed it and then probably taught it himself. He 100% had the potential for it.

[plush pike]

Does anyone else think Vivi might have some relation to Pluton? That would make sense to me, as we then have one princess from paradise, one from underneath Marie Geoise and one prince (shogun's son) from the New World that will possibly be linked to ancient weapons.

And lets be honest, if Momo controlling Zunisha is not ancient weapon material, nothing is.

[queen arrow]

I've seen people think that and i think it's dumb

Pluton is a warship, and Oda wouldn't repeat the twist of the ancient weapon being a person another 2 times

[plush pike]

Three cases makes a pattern. Shirahoshi is not the sea kings either

[queen arrow]

there's no pattern

it's just one case

[plush pike]

That's all you have to say?

[queen arrow]

and Pluton is a fucking ship

[plush pike]

Alright, explain Momo's ability to no-diff Jack and his fleet then. At Zou.

Yes and the Sea Kings are fucking animals. What's your point?

[queen arrow]

Momo is from the line that gave Zunesha's it's sentence, therefore it needs his permission to do something besides the punishment

[plush pike]

Right. How does that disprove anything I've said? Please make a case for Zunisha not being ancient weapon material.

[queen arrow]

define ancient weapon material

because a lot of things are "ancient weapon material" and aren't ancient weapons

[plush pike]

Able to no-diff someone that has 1b bounty with one swing of its trunk.

When I say no-diff, I mean Jack not being able to do anything about it.

[queen arrow]

Kaido no diffed a 1.5 billion bounty pirate with a swing of his club

[plush pike]

Zunisha is at least 10 times stronger than the entirety of the Mink Tribe combined.

[queen arrow]

it's a big elephant

and Kaido is also probably stronger than all of them

Zunesha didn't do any direct damage to Jack either it destroyed his ship

Ace destroyed like 10 ships with a single fire fist

[plush pike]

Well I never said Kaido the literal god isn't ancient weapon material. But Zunisha surely has far greater destructive capabilities than just being able to destroy the top of a mountain.

[queen arrow]

Kaido has lifted an island in the air and he isn't an ancient weapon

[grizzled fog]

I mean the main reason Jack was so totally helpless because of the ocean right there lol. He may not have been all that injured honestly

[queen arrow]

you can't say Zunesha is one because it destroyed a singular ship

[plush pike]

Pretty sure it was 5 ships, and the trunk itself is bigger than Onigashima.

If you take the whole thing, not wider obviously

[queen arrow]

and?

it doesn't make it ancient weapon material, destroying a lot of ships is something a lot of people can do anyway

[plush pike]

And the strongest combo attack we've seen Kaido and Big Mom do didn't even do anything except for the rooftop of the dome.

[queen arrow]

they didn't aim it in the direction of multiple ships

[plush pike]

Did you see the scene with Zunisha and Jack?

[grizzled fog]

The strongest attack BM and kaido did would’ve destroyed most of onigashima had it been aimed at it lol

[queen arrow]

she swung her trunk at Jack and his ship/ships

she didn't attack the sky

[grizzled fog]

Zunisha is huge. Immense. And that size gives it crazy destructive power. But that’s kinda it. It doesn’t seem to take a whole lot to take it down.

[plush pike]

...?

Do you refer to the wound it took after literally being hammed with crazy ass cannonballs for like 10-15 minutes?

[grizzled fog]

I don’t think it was taking tons of cannon balls for quite that long. But yea

[plush pike]

Maybe anime time, but it seemed to last forever and they said something like "it's starting to work!"

[grizzled fog]

Not that I blame Zunisha for being hurt by cannon balls, it makes sense. Poor thing is old and frail as shit. But still

[plush pike]

But yeah, we know sea kings can be taken down too

Zunisha is way bigger than even calm belt sea kings

[queen arrow]

that still doesn't make it, or the ability to talk with it, ancient weapon material

[grizzled fog]

Individually sea kings, even the biggest ones probably wouldn’t be even close to dangerous enough to bear rant being called an ancient weapon

But Shirahoshi can literally command hundreds, actually thousands of them.

[plush pike]

Order it around you mean. Also, we know that Kaido is in Wano for a reason. That reason is probably an ancient weapon. It makes a lot of narrative sense for the ancient weapon to have been in his grasp all along but he just didn't know it.

[grizzled fog]

Is the reason probably an ancient weapon? And it’s not like Zunisha is even in wano anyway.

[plush pike]

The Kozuki clan is though

You may have been sleeping through Zou if you don't remember that the minks and kozuki go way back, and now Momo can command Zunisha? What else can it be, narratively speaking? We have yet to be introduced to the last ancient weapon, and now it's like literally at the precipice of the story. And Kaido and Big Mom exclaiming they'll get the ancient weapons and conquer the world.

[waxen dust]

Ancient Weapon isn’t related to Kozuki clan

[queen arrow]

I'm going to go back to the original point

[plush pike]

You can say it, but that doesn't make it true.

[queen arrow]

^

[plush pike]

It's not a twist, it's a plot device. Please enlighten me on how you can satisfactory wrap up the whole Momo can control Zunisha thing without involvement of ancient weapons.

[queen arrow]

^

[waxen dust]

Uranus-Sky
Pluton-Earth
Poseidon-Sea

Pluton is already a ship and in Alabasta
Poseidon is Shirahoshi in FMI
Uranus has something to do with the sky, Momo and Zunesha are definitely unrelated to that

[plush pike]

Zou reaches up far into the sky though, he's probably the tallest creature we've been introduced to apart from maybe the Florian Triangle monsters

He literally walks on the seafloor that is 5000 meters below in some places.

[waxen dust]

it’s not the sky tho, it’s a walking mammal

[queen arrow]

Zunesha can be a powerful ally and still not be an ancient weapon

[plush pike]

Sure but that still doesn't explain how Momo can control him

[queen arrow]

i just explained it

[plush pike]

No you didn't

[queen arrow]

i did

[plush pike]

You said he needs permission. Why? Is that a devil fruit ability?

[hazy frigate]

No

[waxen dust]

Zunesha is VOAT abilities, it’s likely has something to do with the Ancient Kingdom and the ancestors being able to communicate with the animals. That’s why only Luffy and Momo can hear them. Same like Roger and Oden, theirs some kind of lineage factor involved

[plush pike]

Exactly. So what is it if it's not related to what Shirahoshi can do?

[hazy frigate]

Its more like an owner's permission

[queen arrow]

because Zunesha is paying for a crime

[hazy frigate]

Yepp ..

[plush pike]

Okay, go order some people that are in prison around then, see how successful you are

[grizzled fog]

..

[plush pike]

In fact, why doesn't Magellan just order his prisoners to stay in their cells? Do you see my point?

[queen arrow]

your point is dumb

[waxen dust]

no you lost us

[plush pike]

WHY can Momo order around Zunisha? What's the power?

[queen arrow]

why can't she just being submissive to authority be a thing without a special power

[waxen dust]

VOAT, HE IS THE SUCCESSOR OF THE KOZUKI CLAN AND WANO.

[hazy frigate]

Dude you know why vivi is not pluton...bcoz pluton has a blueprint ..get it ?? ..do you think Frank was burning an anatomy model of vivi ..

[plush pike]

It's not like the story is full of people that can just tell people not to defend themselves and then they'll do it for a thousand years.

[plush pike]

I never said Vivi was Pluton.

[queen arrow]

giant elephants that walk around for millennia don't exist either

[plush pike]

Right and devil fruits don't exist. But how they work is still explained.

[queen arrow]

yes and your point doesn't work because of that

[plush pike]

I'm saying that the only other person that can order creatures around is Shirahoshi.

[hazy frigate]

Yeah and she is an ancient weapon ..so you speculated momo is also an ancient weapon

[queen arrow]

if you want to say "well Zunesha wouldn't obey authority for all this time" you can go ahead and ignore not a single mink prioritizing their lives over Raizo because of loyalty

[plush pike]

Not just because of that, but that's part of it yes

[hazy frigate]

@plush pike you are wrong

[plush pike]

Loyalty != what is happening with Zunisha.

[waxen dust]

I think the point here is Momo isn’t communicating with Zunesha because of some Ancient Weapon, Uranus is the only weapon left and it’s more likely have connection to the sky and weather or the moon.

[plush pike]

So nothing to do with Wano then I suppose? Kaido is just there for fun.

[waxen dust]

Kaido is in Wano because JOYBOY is destined to come

[queen arrow]

it's loyalty to an authority figure that gave her a punishment

[plush pike]

So her loyalty tells her/him/it that she cannot defend the mink tribe unless Momo commands her/him/it to?

[hazy frigate]

Look zuneisha can also be ordered around by hiyori I think

[plush pike]

You think? Whatever gave you that idea?

[hazy frigate]

It depends on the bloodline ..of kozuki

[queen arrow]

we don't know the details of Zunesha's story

but there's hundreds of ways of explaining it without it being an ancient weapon thing

[waxen dust]

Imu is the one who likely punishing Zunesha. And Zunesha is gonna defend the Minks because they are on his back. He’s gonna ensure he lives to fulfill his “punishment”.

[hazy frigate]

Yeah we don't know ..the details ..but somehow it's something to do with kozuki family and not ancient weapon

[versed hamlet]

Its most likely tied to the blood line of the amatsuki clan because oden couldnt do it iirc, but then again its the kozuki emblem thats inside the whale tree so i dunno

[plush pike]

Sure, and you can explain One Piece in hundreds of ways without it being anything significant too. It could be a literal one piece bathing suit. But that sucks.

[pure raven]

I don't think zunesha is walking around cos he wants to im pretty sure he was commanded to by whoever punished him. Seeing as how it asked momo to command it, I don't think it's able to do things on its own. Its like genie from Aladdin ygm. It's not set free.

[plush pike]

But he doesn't defend them until Momo orders it.

[light pond]

Probably done by a df imo

[waxen dust]

I think that’s exactly what it is, the bloodline of Toki and Oden are is what allows Momo to communicate with Zunesha. We just don’t know WHY their bloodlines are involved

[plush pike]

Could we think of any other bloodline intertwined with huge giant creatures? hmmm

A...royal one perhaps? Or maybe two?

[waxen dust]

No, Shirahoshi is because the Ancient Weapon power is passed down to her. It’s not Momo, stop trying to force the theory

[pure raven]

I reckon zunesha could very well be an ancient weapon

And he fits uranus cos hes defo way up in the sky

[plush pike]

Stop trying to stop people from theorizing. You talk like you literally have Oda's notebook in your lap.

"It’s not Momo" what is your reason for saying this? Personal bias?

[waxen dust]

I am not the only saying the theory doesn’t work. So maybe you need to revaluate what you’re saying.

[plush pike]

Oda can take this story in literally any direction he wants. He could make Uranus a literal balloon that just floats around above Elbaf. But we have ZERO reason to think so.

[pure raven]

Yh

You can't judge what theory's can or cannot work cos literally anything can happen

[modest skiff]

This server has a weird dynamic where people will consolidate around ideas as if it makes them more accurate

[queen arrow]

i'm just saying the reasons for Momo/Zunesha being an ancient weapon don't work

[plush pike]

You guys are just going off of the name of the weapon being sky related and that's it. It's related to the moon? To weather? I agree those are possibilities but right now we have a huge fucking elephant smack in the middle of one of the most important plot points in the current arc. Lets pay attention to that.

[pure raven]

The chances of momo/zunesha being uranus are a lot higher than other candidates

[queen arrow]

nothing that you've said has been convincing

[pure raven]

And zunesha is sky related. Look how high up he is.

[plush pike]

Also it makes narrative sense for Kaido to have tried to wipe out the Kozuki clan while not knowing they are the key to Uranus. That would make the story more interesting

[plush pike]

His legs are literally more than half of Mount Everest.

[hazy frigate]

I mean momo is a dragon which is sky related

[pure raven]

Kozuki is probably the key to uranus

[modest skiff]

I agree that Zunesha is clearly unique and special, since she is way bigger than other big creatures. It is unclear what that exactly means. Here's the main thing. I think Kaido would easily kill Zunesha. So I don't think Zunesha can be an ancient weapon purely because I am assuming an ancient weapon can solo kaido.

[plush pike]

Kaido can also kill Shirahoshi. Easily.

[pure raven]

I dont think kaido can kill zunesha so easily

Unless zunesha wasn't fighting back

Otherwise zunesha is a 1000 times bigger than kaido

If he was commanded by momo he would probably be able to fuck up kaido

[plush pike]

Well I do think there's a risk he could definitely do it, but maybe he wouldn't want to if he plans to use the ancient weapons to conquer the world.

[queen arrow]

i'm going to repeat my main arguments

[modest skiff]

Yeah I suppose you're right. Maybe this isn't a productive question

[plush pike]

You keep doing that as if we haven't seen them.

[versed hamlet]

Kaido cant easily kill all of the sea kings and all of the sea kings combined have a vastly higher destructive capability than zunesha

[pure raven]

Nah i mean its circumstance ygm

[modest skiff]

oh come on dude, you're just being rude lol. We can be nice and still discuss!

[queen arrow]

no one has even countered them so why not

[pure raven]

Like zunesha defo has the force to smack down kaido like he did with jack

[versed hamlet]

No loool

[plush pike]

Probably yeah, but we haven't seen everything Zunisha can do yet either.

[plush pike]

No I'm not being rude, but repeating your points instead of making new ones is pretty lazy and I don't wanna spend all night only to end up at the start.

[versed hamlet]

Zunesha was being hurt by just jack and his crew, kaido could definitely kill her

Each of the ancient weapons have extremely high destructive capabilities, so zunesha would be overshadowed by the other two if she was uranus

[plush pike]

Never said he couldn't. I'm saying he probably wouldn't if he found out that Zunisha was an ancient weapon.

[modest skiff]

Gonna be honest: I don't think its productive to think of this situation in terms of 1v1 match ups. I was a dummy to bring up kaido vs Zunesha. Sorry

[pure raven]

Zunesha was getting hurt cos she wasnt fighting back until after

[plush pike]

Well Pluton is said to be able to destroy an island with one shot.

[queen arrow]

1- you talk about Momo controlling Zunesha being "ancient weapon material" but failed to explain why this is ancient weapon material and not all the other shows of destruction in the series, 2- you introduced this talking about Vivi and Pluton, but Pluton is a Warship, and i don't think Oda would just use the "ancient weapon is a person" thing multiple times, 3- there are other reasons as to why Zunesha required Momo's permission without it being an ancient weapon thing

[pure raven]

If momo had commanded zunesha to defend or attack then i doubt she would've gotten hurt at all

[plush pike]

We don't know if Zunisha is able to do other things than just swing its trunk yet.

[pure raven]

After all she literally 1 tapped jack's entire fleet

[queen arrow]

if we're talking Kaido vs Zunesha, Kaido wouldn't need to worry about having ships be broken because he can fly

[versed hamlet]

To have the ancient weapons be 2 people and 1 warship, thats just silly and oda wouldnt do that either

[plush pike]

Just like Shirahoshi is not the sea kings, Momo would not be Zunisha and Vivi would not BE Pluton. I agree, the last one is speculation, but Momo's case is really strong in comparison.

[light pond]

Pluton is a ship

[queen arrow]

Shirahoshi is not the Sea Kings but she is Poseidon

[versed hamlet]

Shirahoshi IS poseidon tho

Poseidon is the ability to control the sea kings but Pluton on the other hand IS the ship itself

[hazy frigate]

Poseidon can control all the sea kings ...and sea is filled with them ..zunisha being only one and suffering from constant permission barrier.. doesn't seem to me like zunisha fits as ancient weapon

[queen arrow]

she is the weapon, a reincarnation that can control the sea kings

[light pond]

We already know pluton is a ship unless vivi is somehow a ship and have a blueprint of making her 😂😂😂

[plush pike]

And if Momo's case turns out to be true, I think it makes for a solid pattern with the princess from paradise that is linked to the straw hats already, and has Pluton buried somewhere in her home country. She is also descendant from celestial dragons.

[hazy frigate]

Even if momo is the trigger for the Uranus

[plush pike]

Well she is Poseidon, but the weapon would be the sea kings

[versed hamlet]

No the weapon is shirahoshi but the ability is to control the sea kings

[queen arrow]

no, the weapon is the ability to control them

[light pond]

First of all not reincarnation he inherited the powers not reincarnation

[waxen dust]

Momo speaking to Zunesha is VOAT, I understand your argument about Momo being the only one and comparison to Shirahoshi, BUT Oda is taking the names from mythology and constructing them in ways that still fit to their mythological themes. Uranus is related to the Sky, so we need the final ancient weapon to have influence to the sky and weather. Momo talking to Zunesha doesn’t fit that bill.

[versed hamlet]

Its just a genetic thing that gets passed down the princesses every hundred years or so im p sure

[light pond]

I dont like the reincarnation BS talks could be inherited will but not reincarnation

[modest skiff]

Minor critique: I don't think the "2 people weapons? nah" is valid. Everything else makes sense to me.

The one thing that still makes no sense to me: It didn't seem like Zunesha heard everyone else and only listened to Momo. It was like she couldn't hear anyone except momo. And perhaps she only heard his internal monologue when he screamed, not his actual voice. Right now I feel like Momo has a special ability to communicate with Zunesha. I don't think its just that Zunesha only cares about Momo. I think Zunesha only hears Momo.

Another thing to consider: Zunesha is just like.... so unbelievably enormous. Like seems to be way bigger than Seakings. We have not seen anything on the order of Zunesha's size. Counter point to that: Zunesha being the by far biggest thing so far does NOT mean she is guaranteed to be an ancient weapon.

[hazy frigate]

Yesss I'm saying it doesn't fit the comparison between momo and zunisha isn't equal to shirahoshi and sea kings

[light pond]

Thats not reincarnation

[plush pike]

You could argue that Zou is basically a sky island given how high up it is.

[versed hamlet]

Didnt say it was lol

[versed hamlet]

For shirahoshi it isnt an inherited will, its just genetic

[modest skiff]

And perhaps it used to be when Zunesha was younger, perhaps Zunesha used to be taller. shrug

[hazy frigate]

It is definitely big ..but it is slow ..and one ..and being punished for unknown reasons

Zunisha is heading somewhere ..it has a destination ..

[modest skiff]

Or perhaps something else entirely. We don't know it is passed genetically

[light pond]

I dont think so wasnt he was punished to roam endlessly

[hazy frigate]

Its punishment will end when it reaches that destination ..

[plush pike]

Well, it's slow when it's walking around in the ocean sure, but the attack on Jack wasn't slow at all.

[versed hamlet]

Its only in their family line so its just random genetics that get that ability

[plush pike]

It swung that trunk like an absolute machine.

[modest skiff]

Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I think Zunesha was said to be walking in circles, right?

[light pond]

We know since the past poseidon is also a mermaid princess

[queen arrow]

i've always saw it as a thing of it ignoring everyone else

[hazy frigate]

Yes but it also got hurt..before ..think this way if someone who is logia ..fights zunisha what do you think will happen..are you expecting zunisha to use haki ..

[versed hamlet]

this is what we kno

[light pond]

Thats VOAT

[pure raven]

Ok yall theres a very confusing bit about the ancient weapons. Did the ancient kingdom create them or not.

[modest skiff]

You might be right. I won't pretend I have sufficient evidence. But the way Zunesha's eyes seemed to emerge from her skull felt like she had not heard anything for an extremely long time

[modest skiff]

Following its orders, this does not specify Zunesha has a destination

[plush pike]

Maybe it will spray seawater at them through its trunk, who knows.

[light pond]

How could they create poseidon when posiedon is a mermaid princess

[modest skiff]

No one has enough information to comment on this

[waxen dust]

It’s VOAT, not Ancient Weapon. Even the last few chapters with Luffy in the water Oda is beginning to dive deeper into this concept and explain what kind of power it can truly posses.

[plush pike]

Agreed, the origin of the ancient weapons are not very well hinted at yet.

But Pluton could be related to the celestial dragons somehow.

[modest skiff]

If I had to make a prediction, this is what I believe as well. I think Momo can hear Luffy for the same reason Momo can communicate with Zunesha

[plush pike]

But it's interesting, because the ancient kingdom or the D's had to have been the ones to take Pluton and hide it in Alabasta.

[modest skiff]

We have no reason to think this IMO

[plush pike]

Because the secrets to its location is hidden on Poneglyphs. So yes we do.

[light pond]

Thats VOAT right?

[waxen dust]

YES

[modest skiff]

We don't know the will of D folks had anything to do with glyphs

[light pond]

Pluton is not in alabasta

[plush pike]

o.o What series are you reading?

[light pond]

We dont even know where pluton is
The poneglyph which tells ots location is in alabasta

[grizzled fog]

As far as we know it is

[modest skiff]

Can you show me where it is stated that will of D folks wrote the glyphs? All we know is that Wano is the only place that can carve them, unless I am forgetting something. Can you show me?

[light pond]

Didnt robin trick croc to get to the poneglyph she doesnt say it is in alabasta

[grizzled fog]

She lied about what the poneglyph said. But Pluton was stated to be in Alabasta

[hazy frigate]

Points to note about ancient weapons
Pluton had a blueprint (destroyed by franky)
But there must be an older pluton which was first created during void century
Second
Uranus (hinting sky god) is somehow related with sky people with wings

[light pond]

Hmmmm i thought she lied about it being in alabasta mb

[waxen dust]

no it’s in Alabasta

[modest skiff]

Would it not be more accurate to say that at some point it was in Alabasta?

[light pond]

Weird they will hide the ancient weapon in enemies ground since the ancient kingdom is the enemy of WG

[waxen dust]

I think it still is in Alabasta and the Navy and BB are both heading there now to retrieve it. Doubt it would be there then suddenly disappear without anyone’s knowledge

[light pond]

Pretty sure the nefertari family might have been forced to join the 20 kingdom to restrain the power of the ancient kingdom and then regrets it

[modest skiff]

For all we know, the WG was formed against the oppressive ancient civilization. And then after years and years of inherited rule, the CDs became wretched, garbage people. Since that is what happens to all rich elite. So we really have no idea who made ancient weapons. We just know they are described in glyphs

[light pond]

Good choice for nefartari to remain below rather than up with the CD

[hazy frigate]

They didn't hide it ..on enemies ground ..bcoz family nefertari most probably knew about the ancient weapon and chose to not join mariejois

[modest skiff]

"If we take over Marie Jois, we are no better than the ancient people who used to live there. We will remain in Alabasta, living as the people we have been this whole time. We don't want to live like gods." - I could totally see this being the Nefertari's perspective.

[waxen dust]

It’s most likely the Nefertari ARE the possessors of Pluton and they left the WG to avoid it getting into the hands of Imu

[hazy frigate]

I think they whoever the ruler was 800 years ago ..knew they allied with the wrong side and it's better to stay her and be human then to be gods there

[light pond]

Nefartari is still the enemy of the ancient kingdom back 800 years ago since they are one of the 20 joined kingdom who built the WG

[modest skiff]

It could be that they have had the weapon the whole time, and after they won, they were like "Well apparently you guys are total douchebags, so we are just gonna keep our super weapon and live by ourselves. Don't fuck with us or we'll blow your ass up. See ya."

[light pond]

I cant wait to see the CD's downfall and see charloss dead that brat is annoying

[waxen dust]

Yea I am thinking that you need the Nefertari to activate the weapon as well. Otherwise the WG would’ve just rolled on in and took it a long time ago and killed all of the lineage. This could also explain in some sense why Vivi was emphasized during Reverie.

[plush pike]

Just wanna mention one thing about Zunisha's attack on Jack, I just rewatched it. Someone said that it didn't do much to Jack, just destroyed his ship, but we literally see him getting so beaten up his mask falls off and he whites out. So clearly it did immense damage.

[light pond]

Wtf? Didnt know there is this kind of theory lol

[modest skiff]

Yeah I have been thinking the world government sign actually represents laugh tale

[hollow grotto]

It's an odd one but, huh

[waxen dust]

Yea that’s been a thing for a while, and the crest around the seat is meant to represent the red line

[hazy frigate]

@plush pike it did damage him but what if akainu had taken that hit or kizaru ..? Can you tell me what will happen

[light pond]

Wasnt there a theorists who says one piece/laugh tale is in east blue 😂😂😂

[plush pike]

Well they're logia so not much probably.

[pure raven]

what if the one piece is the joyboy what if some one ate the ope ope no mi and gave him eternity living and he just chills on laugh tale

[waxen dust]

Morj said that and he said it’s in The Red Line next to Loguetown

[light pond]

Then roger wouldnt have said he should have lived in his era

[hazy frigate]

@pure raven umm Roger went to laugh tale ..and he didn't meet no joyboy

[light pond]

Also oden says in the face of mountain of treasures

[pure raven]

he could be lying we'd never know

[hazy frigate]

@pure raven what do you smoke

[pure raven]

buttcrack

[hazy frigate]

Of yourself

[waxen dust]

It was Joyboy wearing a One Piece in Laugh Tale, thats why everyone was laughing

Roger wants to live in a era where it was acceptable to wear singlet thong and not be called an Okama