#manga-theories

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plush pike
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And then Luffy, being the "enemy of the world" in the eyes of normal people, will sacrifice himself to protect that peace, so that the people from the countries he saved will be free.

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Something like that

lucid dove
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It would also be amazing if each of the straw hats have a reunion after finding the one piece, like brook/laboon, usopp/kaya/yasopp, maybe luffy meets his mother if she isn't dead or something, sanji/zeff, franky/iceburg, chopper/kureha/dalton, just thinking about it all makes me super hyped and excited

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onyx nymph
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I think either shanks or bb will come to wano and if bb does come hes gonna take marcos fruit

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lucid dove
# mellow basalt iceburg?

Iceburg said he wanted to make water seven float on top of a boat so they won't have to face serious floods, I think Franky would want to come back to water seven to see if Iceburg made progress on his promise

onyx nymph
mellow basalt
onyx nymph
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onyx nymph
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and marco has a amazing zoan

mellow basalt
lucid dove
kind kiln
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onyx nymph
lucid dove
mellow basalt
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It was such a good episode I tohught it was canon

lucid dove
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lol i really don't know I might have just forgot

mellow basalt
lucid dove
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ohhhh

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the only filler I watched from water seven was the one with zoro babysitting

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and i don't regret it hehe

polar bison
lucid dove
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thats genius, since you brought that up I hope he does too

pure raven
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luffy is reincarnation of joyboy??
its not confirmed but i think joyboy was a devil fruit eater who ate the gum gum fruit, bc when kaido beat luffy he said gum-gum sounded familiar i think and said something abt joyboy. another reason i think luffy is joyboy reincar is cuz whos who said that the gumgum@fruit was being transported securily but shanks stole it, so obviously the gum gum is important and maybe dangerous. also the gumgum fruit could be one of the strongest devil fruits. also the giant straw hat that we saw in reverie might of been joyboys, and the straw hat has a connection to this, because we saw roger wearing a straw hat when he met rayleigh, also it was in one of thr opening, and then shanks got the straw hat, and then@passed it on to luffy, who also has thr gumgum fruit. also maybe shanks couldve been reincarnation because if joyboy wore a straw hat and had gumgum power, shanks would be like him, if luffy didnt eat the fruit it mightve of been shanks who inherited the power

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idk if that makes sense

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but thTs wut i think

opal sparrow
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Why does luffy have to be his reincarnation bro

pure raven
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he dont, im just saying if cud be him, and also he the mc so it wud make sense for it to be him

opal sparrow
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I always loved how luffy has his power fruit cuz he just coincidentally thought it was food being himself eating anything he thinks it’s edible. Not some super/hype moment .

lucid dove
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what if luffy awakens his df at the end of wano or in the coming arc

opal sparrow
opal sparrow
pure raven
opal sparrow
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One piece gonna end 2027 and there will be like 3-5 more arcs

lucid dove
pure raven
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or he never awakens it

oak mural
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cut it big mom should be kids and laws win

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u cant have luffy taking both yonkos in one arc

opal sparrow
pure raven
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ya

pure raven
opal sparrow
oak mural
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ye law and kid shld get thier part in the raid too imo

pure raven
opal sparrow
pure raven
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ya

opal sparrow
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You think Blackbeard is somehow connected to xebec

pure raven
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is xebec bounty actually 6billion?

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i keep seeing his wanted poster,

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and its says 6billion something berries

wheat maple
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Theory: Blackbeard knows where xebec’s body is, uses moria to bring a strong shadow and puts it in his body

pure raven
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i thought moria died

wheat maple
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I mean he captured him

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But it’s not confirmed that he killed him

pure raven
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oh i thhiught he killed him

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maybe hes just gonna steal his devil fruit power

wheat maple
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Ya

pure raven
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arent the zombies weak to salt tho💀, thyr could just shove salt@in his mouth

prime bluff
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Hear me out

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Luffy awakening his df with the staff as a weapon

versed hamlet
sharp shale
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I read real life black beard idk what say just Blackbeard's real name is not definitely known, though he was generally called Edward Teach. Nevertheless, he is referred to in some documents as Edward Thatch or even Edward Drummond. So is there Drummond named guy in one piece?

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Just stupid thinking 😅

grizzled fog
solar knoll
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who is the lurking legend?

grizzled fog
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Big mom and kaido, their alliance represents the return of rocks. In that sense Rocks is technically the lurking legend

sharp shale
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Some say it's shiki

grizzled fog
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Not likely

pure raven
grizzled fog
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Roger has the highest known bounty so far, and it’ll probably remain that way until luffy eventually surpasses it

sharp shale
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What will be xebec role in this generation? If he alive.

pure raven
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hes dead

wheat maple
grizzled fog
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He’s simply dead

wheat maple
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U saw when Moria put luffy shadow in oars

grizzled fog
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Zombies are weak to salt

pure raven
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i thought oars needed a ton of salf cuz he had a huge body

wheat maple
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It was so strong, imagine zebec’s body with a strong shadow

pure raven
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It would be cool if Blackbeard tried to gain another devil fruit power and exploded instead

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lmaoo

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Antagonist = defeated

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blackbeard tries to steal gum gum fruit and just explodes

wheat maple
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I think in the book of devil fruits Blackbeard knows so,etching in it that can take any devil like Whitebeards

pure raven
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thats wont happen tho

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Blackbeard already OP as fuck

wheat maple
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He also did that with the cat guy,his devil fruit was with black beard it didn’t scatter to a random place

pure raven
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he did something and it went to another person

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I hope we get to learn more about DF’s in the future. I’d love to know how they respawn and shit

wheat maple
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I think he did the same thing as he did to Whitebeard

sharp shale
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Real life bb was called by 3 names Edward teach, Edward thatch, Edward Drummond so that's why I was asking if any Drummond named guy in one piece

pure raven
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maybe he can take the power from them and turn it back to a fruit

wheat maple
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Imagine someone betrays Blackbeard like one of his crew

pure raven
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cuz cant the dark dark fruit not let devil fruit eaters attack

wheat maple
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Maybe

bronze otter
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hello, wassup?

wheat maple
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I really wanna meet vegapunk and learn about the devil fruits

bronze otter
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nice

wheat maple
pure raven
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i wanna see vegapunk and franky fight

wheat maple
wheat maple
bronze otter
bronze otter
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vegapunk will cry a tear of joy when he sees franky

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i want him to be a franky, hyperactive

pure raven
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well franky broke into his lab and used his work so i dont think vegapunk likes him and wants to be his friend,

wheat maple
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No like he will be impressed that he can use his equipment

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I think his old lab is just a waste his current laboratory is just so advanced for us

bronze otter
pure raven
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well it has work, like the laser beam was from vegapunks

wheat maple
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I have a q, what if u burn a devil fruit🧐

pure raven
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who wud do that

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if u see a devil fruit ppl would eat it, they wouldnt waste it

wheat maple
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Idk but I think it will just spawn back at a random place

bronze otter
pure raven
lucid dove
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I also want more of zoro's story to be revealed, I feel like everyone else (well maybe except usopp) had stories with strong backbones, and then here we have zoro battling the villain down D. stairs
I just wish they would show more of his pirate hunting years or what made him become a pirate hunter

pure raven
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i think there was an episode where they showed when zoro met those 2 guys from arlong park

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i forgot their names

lucid dove
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yosaku and johnny

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yeah but there weren't any flashbacks or any of that sort

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are there any theories for who Luffy's mother might be? I heard some people saying she was from amazonia and others saying that it was confirmed that she was already shown in the manga or something

ember trench
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We haven’t seen his mom but most theories about her origins are hot trash

pure raven
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maybe his mom is hancock😦

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and she in love with her own son💀

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that means she wouldve had luffy when she was 12

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so dragon got an 11/12 year old girl pregnant

lucid dove
oak mural
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cringe

rigid wadi
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Do you think that se Will get to see someday a good Boa Battle? I mean, every time we saw her fighting was effortlesly. Her enemies were really weak for her

sick spear
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Theory: Blackbeard has something he inherited from someone else ( possibly xebec) and that’s what he used to give shanks that scar. Whatever he inherited is similar to Luffy and momonoske being able to hear voices. Or even the mermaid princess and her Poseidon powers

ancient vault
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i dont get the point of this theory is this a troll? KataOmegaLUL

sick spear
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How do you not get it

worldly anvil
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doesn't make senses this theory....look like a troll

weary cliff
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BB had a weapon that was like claws. Thats what he attacked Shanks with

sick spear
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Blackbeard gave a scar to possibly the strongest yonko. Was it a devil fruit? Most likely not. So what the hell was it and why does it bother shanks so much to the point where he’s scheduling meetings with whitebeard and the most important villains in the series ( the gorusei)

weary cliff
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He's just a surprisingly strong guy who was holding back while waiting to find the fruit

sick spear
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Bro when shanks was talking to whitebeard he already debunked that. He said he wasn’t off guard

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And you’re forgetting that Blackbeard has multiple devil fruits. AND he’s a D

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He’s obviously got something about him that’s unique

weary cliff
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Not my point. He kept that a secret to everyone else. He went all out on Shanks because he could see through him

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He does, but its not a secret how he gave Shanks the scar. It was Teech's signature weapon before he got the fruits

sick spear
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You’re not getting the point bro

dusky acorn
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I don't quite understand how Blackbeard inheriting a will such as Xebec's translates to giving him the ability to scar Shanks. They simply fought, and he used the claw-like attachments to mark him

sick spear
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Let me slow down

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Do you guys agree that one out of a billion people in the one piece world are born with weird unexplainable powers like being able to hear the voice of all things or being able to control the sea kings

worldly anvil
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are you on drugs? UsoppSus

sick spear
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If you’re gonna say bs like that then don’t say anything at all

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Adds nothing to the conversation

dusky acorn
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Just be respectful to the person making the theory and take them seriously please. Yes I agree that there are very rare phenomons in the OP world such as VOAT

worldly anvil
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It's ok zurk sadpat

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but I'm just messing anyway

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for the sea kings thing, I thought it was a more a lineage thing of the fishmen princess or something

dusky acorn
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We know Blackbeard has a unique body, but things like the power of Posiedon to control sea kings and VOAT aren't the kind of powers that relate to changing physical attributes of a person like Blackbeard has

worldly anvil
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I do wonder tho if the story of him never sleeping is true

covert hazel
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Probably, I don't know why that'd be a lie

sick spear
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Is shanks the strongest Yonkou?

worldly anvil
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debatable

dusky acorn
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It's highly likely that Shanks is not the strongest Yonko

sick spear
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Yea super debatable but we know he was able to clash with WB and stopped a war that was filled with complete killers. But anyways

dusky acorn
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There's a lot that points against it. Him being one of the newer Emperors, the youngest in age, compensating with a balanced crew, etc

sick spear
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We know shanks is hella experienced. Was on Rogers ship and has fought the best of the best. It’s safe to say he’s seen it all. So where I’m trying to get at is

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What in the world was so special about Blackbeard that caused shanks to go on this journey of trying to stop him. Literally shanks entire character has been revolves around trying to stop BB

dusky acorn
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Well, as for the meeting with Whtiebeard, it wasn't just about Blackbeard for Shanks

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It was the fact that he knew Ace was chaisng him, who Shanks is on good terms with and didn't want to see die/captured

sick spear
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That would’ve been a good answer and we could’ve called it wraps BUT

dusky acorn
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And thinking that Shanks is talking to the Gorosei about Blackbeard which you said earlier while possible, is still an assumption

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We can't say with absolute certainty yet

sick spear
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Now you have to explain why he went to talk to the goursei. The most powerful set of people in the series

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All I know is

weary cliff
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I'm just not sure what was inherited besides the will of Xebec. If you wanted to make it about multiple fruits, that's almost surely a trait of the yami yami. I just think Shanks saw that this dude was really sinister and he knew he was the only one who saw it. Hell maybe Shanks has a Rocks connection too, and it's a personal motivation

worldly anvil
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hmm

sick spear
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Yea I don’t know exactly where I’m going with the Xebec thing. I only brought that up because of how insanely strong Xebec had to be to take on both roger and Garp

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So what did Xebec have

grizzled fog
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Well he wasn’t alone, and roger and Garp were both probably way weaker than they were at their peaks. So keep that in mind

worldly anvil
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yea prob only Rocks was Yonko level

sick spear
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Yea that’s true. I put into consideration that when they said roger and Garp teamed it could’ve just meant their crews allied

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But then I’m also thinking. Why is the government trying so hard to cover up God valley. WHY is the island called god valley. Where did it go, etc

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That incident wasn’t just a scuffle between pirates. Was way bigger than that

worldly anvil
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hmm who know, All will prob be revealed in a flashback

sick spear
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Ye so much shit Oda needs to reveal

deep egret
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It wouldnt be them and their crews. I'm prettt sure when Sengoku was explaining it we were shown a flashback and we only saw roger and garp so i think we can safely assume it was just them

sick spear
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Overall I wanna know why Shanks is shaking in his boots over Blackbeard. Can’t be a devil fruit because he’s seen it all. So what the hell is it?

deep egret
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Knowing Garp he is not like other marines ( specifically Akainu ) I don't think he would be willing to put his crew in danger same with roger

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I felt like he knew he was putting his life on the line and didn't want anyone else getting in harms way

sick spear
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Damn if that’s true then Xebec was strong as fuck. They might’ve not been in their prime but if we assume Xebec was levels ahead of his crew mates that need no introduction then he was strong asl

deep egret
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Yeah

sick spear
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Now that I think about it he was strong as fuck Wdf…

deep egret
sick spear
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Lmao idk how oda is gonna explain all this shit in 5 years

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Yea that’s true too. We know that the WG values certain devil fruits

deep egret
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Yeah

sick spear
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Actually shanks got his scar before he even made the red hair pirates

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Just searched it up.

deep egret
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I doubt he will explain everything. For example the Florain Triangle monsters thoughs could have just been a reference to the "Bermuda Triangle Monsters" or the shit that happens there

sick spear
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That’s a longggggg ass time. How are people just brushing over the fact that this guy is dedicating his life to snitching on Blackbeard for something he did to him in his youth lmao

deep egret
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Maybe BB confronted Shanks to see if he wanted to join his crew ( which i guess at the moment was made yet) maybe he told shanks abt his plans on WB ships and shanks refused and they clashed??idk

sick spear
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Who knows. I’m thinking it’s more along the lines of shanks trying to stop him from fulfilling whatever blueprint he has

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Because Blackbeard clearly has a blueprint on how he wants to accomplish his goal

runic osprey
# deep egret Maybe BB confronted Shanks to see if he wanted to join his crew ( which i guess ...

To me it seems like Shanks is trying protect black beard for some reason. If he actually wanted to stop him he could have defeated him during the marineford arc or even before. Instead as soon as he heard that ace was going after blackbeard he immediately confronted whitebeard to call him back. There something going on between these 2. And also remember he told whitebeard that most painful scar he got was the one from blackbeard and i dont think he meant physical pain but emotionally. Maybe they used to be really good friends and blackbeard ended up betraying him.

pure raven
deep egret
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Hmm hypothetically if that were true then i doubt BB would be the person shanks would be talking abt to the 5 elders or maybe he is? Idk

runic osprey
somber sphinx
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is it confirmed that SHANK's crew are all non-DF, pure humans?

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not pure humans i mean just pure whatever species they are

covert swan
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if none of them have DFs then its gotta be all haki right?

runic osprey
somber sphinx
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or is it some requirement? hmmmm

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for laughtale

runic osprey
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I dont think cause otherwise they would have let the lower people in their crew it a df to strengthen their crew

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And remember he also tried to recruit marco who is a df user

night lava
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Tho, pre marineford, shanks and his crew couldve definitely delete blackbeard's entire crew

night lava
runic osprey
# night lava He was trying to stop the marineford war, imo thats the reason he didnt just smo...

If shanks would have killed blackbeard right then the war would have been done too. Backbeard and akainu were the only that extending the war. But he chose to threaten him and told him to get lost. And Blackbeard was the one that gave shanks his scar and shanks never went after him for that. That makes me think that they had some kind of bond. Maybe they used to be really good friends back in the days and bb betrayed him but shanks still doesnt want to kill him.

night lava
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Hmmm makes sense

runic osprey
# night lava Hmmm makes sense

He doesnt want anyone to go after black beard for some reason. Maybe the world government wanted to charge an attack against the black beard pirates cause of him having 2 df and being a big threat to them. And maybe thats why shanks went to the 5 elders so he can prevent it from happening ?

night lava
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Who knows

runic osprey
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Yea im really curious to shanks and blackbeard’s back story i hope they will reveal it soon

teal bay
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Sometimes I feel like shanks can be xebec's son and Roger adopted him after they finished his crew. Xebec was the one who used to have BB's df and shanks know the true potential or he knows the secret with BB's body like when zoro and luffy said it's they

olive pewter
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Wait rocks had Blackbeard’s devil fruit?

pure raven
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not confirmed yet

olive pewter
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Like he isn’t by himself

pure raven
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also Marco bounty is confirmed to be 1b 374 berry from Vivre card

runic osprey
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Marco is a beast and definitely one of the best commanders you can have

teal bay
runic osprey
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But did happen after or before they met doc Q ??

olive pewter
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after

runic osprey
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Because that could imply that they meant they know they together in a crew?

olive pewter
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I think they are definitely talking about him having a crew. Both of them having a sudden accidental instance of observation haki just to explain this theory, when the only time either one has used was zoro in intense battle, is too much of a stretch

weary cliff
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Luffy accidentally uses haki better than WB's whole crew lol

runic osprey
pure raven
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where you could actually read vivre card ?

daring prism
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I wonder who joyboy is

split hornet
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A shandian legend

weary cliff
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A pretty cool guy, it looks like

night lava
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Someone prob full of joy

deep egret
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And is a boy

weary cliff
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I miss the "Vivi is Joyboy" crack theory. Back when we could pretend it wasn't Luffy

deep egret
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Feel lile Vivi is the 10th missing strawhat her being a "honorary strawhat as oda says" and maybe she knows some crucial info abt the pluton that was passed down by her late relatives idk

ancient vault
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if ppl say "a child shouldnt join, they cant constantly protect them" then neither should vivi join cause she isnt strong enough either

weary cliff
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Cant wait until someone rebuts with "let them all join"

warped adder
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I think Luffy’s df belonged to JoyBoy at one point and the reason why the government wanted to keep it a secret was not because it had some secret power but because of what it represents, freedom. The Gomu Gomu df allows the user to stretch out and freedom is often portrayed as being an open space instead of being confined. What do you guys think?

fading kraken
warped adder
fading kraken
warped adder
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Also I think Luffy’s df is connected to Joy boy somehow. He is supposed to be the second coming of Joy boy.

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But at the end of the day, it’s just a theory

deep egret
worldly vigil
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just making sure, we don’t have to worry about spoiling people here, do we?

nimble hinge
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Can't talk about stuff from the spoilers channel. Any chapter that has been released is fair game.

worldly vigil
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alr thanks

tulip vector
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don't worry, ppl only talk about spoilers on the spoilers channel

worldly vigil
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no it’s- nevermind, I can’t be spoiled it’s just I don’t wanna spoil for anyone else

ancient vault
weary cliff
fading thorn
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did oda say shanks was gonna make his move this year or did i imagine that?

weary cliff
deep egret
fading thorn
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i think the arcs leading up to the final battle are gonna be really fast paced, like the arcs leading up to the marineford

weary cliff
deep egret
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True

clear violet
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Theory: The one piece is Binks Sake

Just joined this server after this clicked in my head, read it all if you can, sorry for bad formatting etc first time making proper theory

The one piece is the primary goal of the story, to get to Laugh Tale and find it, there are many hints and clues we have gotten but I have a personal theory of what it could be.
The One Piece is Binks Sake, first off the lyrics in it describe almost perfectly the journey the Straw Hats have had so far, it describes gathering a crew, leaving their hometowns things all pirates do right? it is the oldest known song in one piece atleast dating back to the Rumbar Pirates and being the song "delivering" something, this also relates to Luffys flashback where he said "Im going to become the Pirate king!" to ace and sabo and then "Im going to-" cut short by Oda leaving Sabo and Ace shocked, He most likely said "Im going to Deliver Binks Sake," this would be an Oda thing to do as it proves the One Piece has been in his mind since the start of the series.

Next, when the Roger Pirates reached Raftel they Laughed, why would they laugh? why of course, its because the song they have been singing all this time across the seas is actually what they were doing, Delivering Binks Sake? but what is Binks sake if we are the ones delivering it? it is Joy Boy, Binks is Joy Boys real name, and the will of Joy Boy, is in Roger and Luffy, the Two people who will become the Pirate King and finally Deliver Binks Sake.

exotic echo
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i like this. I don't think I can agree that the OP is that specifically, but I do think the song is reflective of the journey of the roger pirates/the straw hats in some way

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and I think it'll have some sort of relevance later on

weary cliff
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It's perfectly set up, I agree with fats

pure raven
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the 20years too early doesnt match the theory

noble bear
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Bink’s sake’s brewing started from the execution of Roger and it needs 20 years to mature. 😄

pure raven
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Do we have any more evidence of Shanks being a person of higher status than your average pirate? (Besides his correspondence with the gorosei)

grizzled fog
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Being an emperor of the sea automatically means he’s of “high status” but I’m guessing you’re referring more to his background?

nimble hinge
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Reminder that the last lyrics of Bink's Sake are effectively "Laugh Tale" or "Funny Story"

pure raven
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Yeah his background definitely @grizzled fog

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Because I still don’t think a regular pirate could walk into the room with 5 celestial dragons and talk like normal

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I’m thinking he’s a celestial dragon tbh.

grizzled fog
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A regular pirate no. A emperor of the sea, one of the most powerful people in the world and generally more peaceful than the other emperors? Yes potentially

amber oar
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Particularly one that has showed to be a conciliator

inner hornet
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okay okay okay, so gol d roger IS STILL ALIVE, AND HE IS SOGEKING

amber oar
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I mean, we've known Shanks avoids violence as much as possible since chapter 1,

Michael, this is not meme zone, and much less tired memes

inner hornet
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):

worldly vigil
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I really wonder who Bink is, anybody have any theories?

amber oar
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continuing with Shanks talk, the "just because it's you" line from the elder may as well be because of Shanks' non-aggressive profile. Like, he won't make a ruckus in Mary Geoise as any of the other three would.

Just imagine Kaido right in Pangaea castle getting drunk and/or moody, Big Mom with a hunger pang, or Teach, uh, being Teach

pure raven
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Hmm

Maybe he has some sort of deal with them presumably because of his lack of a problematic personality

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Another thing is, I’m interested in how far Shanks knowledge goes

odd fern
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Is there a new chapter coming out tmrw?

worldly vigil
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I don’t think it’s a deal per-say it’s just Shanks seems to be very laid back but that’s what everyone says lol

pure raven
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I still need to see the Shanks backstory

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Maybe we’ll get some more information when they do the infodump about God Valley & Rocks

brave rose
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@here make sure to watch it, its a really amazing theory

waxen dust
runic osprey
grand walrus
amber oar
grand walrus
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do u think shanks fought sabo in the capital?

amber oar
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not at all, why would he

grand walrus
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he was there...

amber oar
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that's not enough reason

grand walrus
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have we seen shanks since reverie?

runic osprey
waxen dust
amber oar
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because his status is not the same as 12 years prior. An Emperor isn't going to engage in that stuff

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A large mafia boss requesting an audience with the president isn't going to steal the government workers' wallets or similar

runic osprey
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Its not shanks that needs to engage but the world government he is the one that stole from them and my question why didnt they do anything to him it like they forgot about it and who knows what else he did to the WG but shanks was not as laid back as i thought he was

amber oar
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he is the one that stole from them
and has done a lot of stuff since, I mean he's one of the 4 biggest active pirates
and my question why didnt they do anything to him it like they forgot about it
why they haven't done anything about Teach, Big Mom

ancient vault
exotic echo
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perhaps

amber oar
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it's not like the WG needs something like stealing a DF to pursuit pirates. Shanks just escaped and kept doing piracy until he grew too big to be handled by the WG

ancient vault
amber oar
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Corazón and Law pretty much did the same, except Corazón died before he could be charged

exotic echo
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I've definitely held the opinion the song is directly referencing some old event, or at minimum is just a thematic song that represents the travels of our protagonists/the roger pirates

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beyond that is just my own silly baseless speculation, but I would not be surprised in the slightest if the song has some direct relation to the void century

pure raven
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i have some theory with one piece Xd

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can i said it?

waxen dust
exotic echo
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idk who mark is honestly, but i'll just trust that

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it shouldn't be too hard to grasp for most readers, legends irl are VERY often translated into prose, poetry or song

light pond
exotic echo
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so bink's sake as the only significant song in the series being relevant to old events should be something most people are ready to see

light pond
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Also find out Oda's official translation of bink's sake in english is "binks of liquor"

ancient vault
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we knew that for a long time now tho

exotic echo
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at minimum it's a thematic song that can be applied to many events already

ancient vault
exotic echo
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at max, it's something that directly references a very significant event from the past

waxen dust
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“Our funny, traveling tale.”
It’s translated as Waraibanshi
Apparently that also means Laugh Tale
Someone can fact check that

ancient vault
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Its true. Hes not the first one to notice it

exotic echo
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it's blatant, frankly

light pond
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Is bink a person or a measure of liquor?

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exotic echo
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you'd have to be a VERY casual fan to not pick up on some of the thematics

ancient vault
exotic echo
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if you have any interest in one piece beyond the minimum you'd pick up on it

ancient vault
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yeah fats

light pond
amber oar
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Binks could be a place, rather than a person

light pond
amber oar
ancient vault
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laugh tale

waxen dust
ancient vault
ancient vault
light pond
ancient vault
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im writing a long rewrite on my initial theory out but its gonna take ages again BepoSad

amber oar
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OP is never ending

ancient vault
amber oar
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!act3

lone hedgeBOT
light pond
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If i were to guess the final scene of one piece it will be a big ass party

waxen dust
ancient vault
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I think its more so luffys tale/story will make everyone laugh
Sure we can have a big party but I dont think thats his dream tbh

light pond
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Ever since laugh tale was confirmed there is a lot of talks about binks sake

amber oar
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Now I'm thinking OP could have an open end

The manga ends either with Luffy reaching Laugh Tale or with the final war (whatever comes last), but the crew will keep journeying here and there forever. A never ending story

waxen dust
amber oar
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And that will leave space to milk novels and spinoffs FujiLUL

ancient vault
light pond
waxen dust
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Forget the Moon and the Sun, those are the prologue for the intergalactic pirate adventure

ancient vault
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space pirate yonko Armstrong

waxen dust
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And Space Empress Nebula

ancient vault
amber oar
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Ah right, one of the Romance Dawn one shots has an open end with an older Luffy sitting as a big time pirate in his ship

ancient vault
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I seriously think these things will be important in the future. Especially the "God and Demons help those who help themselves"

waxen dust
ancient vault
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Same with the Revolutionary Army

amber oar
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Dude forced an 8 year old to man up and act as his equal

waxen dust
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Luffy said “sorry Momo, but them balls need to drop TODAY!”

reef grotto
queen arrow
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i don't expect not mark to theorize anything correctly

amber oar
queen arrow
frozen lantern
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is there a new chapter tmmr

amber oar
frozen lantern
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ffs

queen arrow
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this also isn't the place to ask that

frozen lantern
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sorry

queen arrow
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no problem just letting you know

pure raven
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I have a question: do any of you think that Imu could be a character we have met before? Just a weird thoughtSengokuHmm2

queen arrow
queen arrow
fathom matrix
dusky acorn
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Imu's existence is only known by the Gorosei and his very specific servant(s) or whatever they are to him

pure raven
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do you think Kiku will play a bigger role in the telling of the void century story

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in the flashbacks and whatnot

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*TOKI i mean

dusky acorn
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Hard to say, she'd probably have been extremely young if we do see her in the flashback for that time period

wicked grove
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It’s tough to predict not knowing her exact ages during exact years she skipped

dusky acorn
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We'll get context on her family and maybe the circumstances on which she ate the fruit I suppose

fathom matrix
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I was gonna say, I was gonna suggest Kiku's probably dead or going to die at the end of wano

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I don't see every member of the 9 red scabbard surviving

split hornet
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Do you guys think dragon is also somehow linked to Nika ?

fathom matrix
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Nah, I think Dragon's just off wanting to rebel against the government

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Obviously for a deeper reason, but nothing to do with Nika

split hornet
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But his tattoo and also wanting complete freedom

frail yarrow
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I'd say Dragon probably knows about Nika

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Deeply headcannony, but it seems like Who's who had been sent to Tequila's Wolf, where we know Revolutionnaries have been infiltrated for quite a long time

reef grotto
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I do think bink's sake has a role in the ending of one piece but the one piece literally being sake is lame

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it's gonna be something that will shake the world

onyx nymph
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My favorite theory for the one piece would be destroying the red line with the weapons to connect all the 4 seas cuz then they would have the all blue.

split hornet
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What are the chances of D. meaning devil's luck ?

ancient vault
pure raven
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I'm actually deeply interested in what Dragon brings into the story.

As for what the D. Stands for. It's probably Demon, Devil or something akin to that. You don't get to be labeled as the enemy of the gods without some potential demonic connotations to it.

reef grotto
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D also probably has something to do with dawn and dusk

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blackbeard being dusk and luffy the dawn

pure raven
cedar sinew
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but the thing is that

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the D clan supposedly originated from the VC right?

pure raven
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They're one of the great mysteries of the void century

cedar sinew
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and the initials standing for devil or demons would mean that they named themselves that

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not the WG

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the celestial dragons and the WG viewing the D clan "demons" or enemies of gods only works if they created the initial

pure raven
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It could also be the self appointed title created back then by the D-clan when they waged war.
We know that the ancient weapons existed and were likely used during the void century or so. Marking yourself as the enemy of the celestial dragons whom wanted to oppress everybody makes sense to me in the same way that sun pirates mark themselves with the brand of the sun.

cedar sinew
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why would they call themselves demons then

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if they're doing what everyone wants

pure raven
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Cause they're the enemy of those who call themselves holy beings/gods.

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And what do you mean doing what everyone wants?

cedar sinew
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freeing everyone. Serving justice. Being the hero

pure raven
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But that's not what they're doing/what they're suspected of doing.

There's nothing in there about freeing people or servicing any type of justice or even being heroes. They're just people and what's known about them is very little besides the scraps of information we have.

cedar sinew
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You just said "celestial dragons whom wanted to oppress everybody "

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theyre directly opposing them

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that's equivalent to giving them freedom

pure raven
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no

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So lets look at it from Luffy's case

Luffy straight up doesn't care who you oppress or what you do so long as you don't fuck with his friends. That's his line. Luffy's not making it his job to be a freedom fighter. He's not making it his job to end racism. He's not making it his job to purposfully shake up the world.

Having a group of people as malicious as the WG, trying to step in and tell the D-Clan what to do doesn't mean that the D-Clan is there fighting for the rights of everyone but rather just their own specific group is how I view it.

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Sure, I think that's all semantics anyway.
My point was that the D clan were in the right by opposing the celestial dragons. Yes their aim doesn't have to be world liberation, but they were committed to fighting the evil (WG) in their own ways (in the present Dragon w/ the revos or Luffy freeing countries, etc). So it's weird for these people who're fighting for the "right thing" to label themselves as demons just because the celestial dragons view themselves as god.
I'm inclined to think the demon/devil stuff originated from the WG in an attempt to cover up the VC and shift the blame. Keep in mind that the devils of Ohara are a thing. They're not related to the D clan as far as we know. Does that also mean the poneglyph scholars self refer to themselves as devils? The D clan and the Oharan scholars both oppose the WG and as a result they're both called the same thing. I think that's a much more plausible parallel than what you've said

amber oar
pure raven
# cedar sinew Sure, I think that's all semantics anyway. My point was that the D clan were in...

I think you're getting hung up on ideas of good and evil. I also disagree with you on the notion that they're fighting the world government specifically because Oda has made sure to show us multiple instances of the D-Clan and letting us know that they're not a group or rally. Saul and Garp are marines who just want to have peace. Luffy doesn't free nations for the idea of freeing nations but because they hurt his friends. Dragon is the only one on the exact opposite end of the spectrum who you could argue is doing it for the actual freedom good aspect where nothing changes unless the CD are themselves overthrown. Ace's mother also had no actual major beat besides wanting to give birth to her child and Law's parents are entirely just normal doctors. They're not working under this banner or notion that you're trying to paint them as.

I think when the Scholars on Ohara refer to devils/demons they also mean actual legit demons and such because I'm pretty sure that's what King is as an actual race which as of this point I'm not too surprised given how weird racially the world of one piece is.. The ohara globe at the moment make it seem strange and the Ohara youtube channel dude actually has an interesting theory about it.

You're free to believe that they're not referring to themselves as such. I'm just under the banner idea of them choosing that. I think Oda's just being Cheeky given his themes of
Destiny
Demons/Devils being the enemy of the Gods
And probably more that I'm just not thinking about at the moment.

pure raven
# amber oar He doesn't intend to, but then he throws lines like this

Luffy also doesn't call himself a hero because a hero gives away meat then when that village needed food, Luffy went and got them food and various meats. Luffy's good spirited and has friendship. Also in that specific instance it's because Doflamingo stepped on his specific ideal of freedom.

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Their motives don't have to be "oh I'm going to directly be a revolutionary". Every D clan in their own way is fighting the WG. Saul literally gave his life protecting Robin, a wanted criminal in the eyes of the WG. That's directly opposing the WG. Garp hates the celestial dragons. If like, Akainu for example was part of the D clan then I'd agree with your thinking but he isn't. Luffy too, by definition (a pirate), opposes the WG. The fact that Luffy's motives are to ultimately help his friends doesn't deny the fact that he's opposing the WG; those two aspects aren't mutually exclusive.

they're not working under this banner or notion that you're trying to paint them as.
I never did though? All I said was that they're opposing the WG. All of them. Actually, the fact that they're individualistic with their own motives (but with the same outcome of opposing the WG in their own rights) supports the fact that the D clan being labled demons is a WG propaganda. Hard to think they labeled themselves that when they're not working together or under the same organization like the revos.

Oharans are human scholars lol. They're labeled as demons for attempting to uncover the VC, same way the D clan are labeled as demons for attacking the WG directly or indirectly. They make the "Oharan Devils" aspect pretty clear during Robin's flashback.

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I think it’s very possible all the D clan are actually after the same thing, in their own way. For example, I think the reason Xebec was allied against is that he aimed to destroy CDs in a way that caused a lot of innocent death.

Correct me if I am wrong, but IIRC all D people have been enemies of CDs?

cedar sinew
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yes

modest skiff
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So then I think it makes perfect sense that they all have the same innate desire and their personalities and life experiences make them approach it very differently

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If I may make a comparison: I have competed against people who I get along with very well. I have had enemies who are basically just different versions of me. It isn't uncommon. People who are fierce end up in a lot of fierce situations and so the D folks all being born but not knowing what's going on may end up enemies on accident

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One thing is consistent for all D we know of: They strive for absolute freedom and want to completely dismantle the existing CD system. That ain't a coincidence

worn portal
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imu is mysterious af

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he leader of world gov

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wanna hear a theory bout him

modest skiff
hazy frigate
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Sure

worn portal
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i think someone gave her/him immortality from room room fruit aka op op no mi and can’t die and knows all the secrets from void to know and was either close or rivals with joyboy hence the elders listen to him or her

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she’s is the leader of celestial why joyboy leader of da

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ds

modest skiff
worn portal
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only right theory

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and the wg can’t kill or do anything she can’t just bait out the history or even worse destroy everyone she’s waiting for the time i think after luffy finds raftel he’s gonnna destroy world government and there’s gonna be another chapter after it with the ancient weapons noah joyboy and this bs

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then he destroys red line then rocks hit fishman then it gets destroyed like the vision

modest skiff
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I agree red line gets its goose cooked but the question is what makes that a desirable thing to do? If it’s really just to destroy Marie jois, that would be a weird price to be willing to pay. Unless we assume they are evacuated first. I wonder if this is what Xebec wanted to do but Garp+Roger stopped him

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I keep squinting my eyes at the references to the sun and moon here lol

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hazy frigate
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There must be someone who must have received the surgery with ope ope no mi ..or else they wouldn't know how it worked.. beforehand ..so yeah it could imu who got that operation

modest skiff
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yeah a lot of people think imu is from the void century

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And thus maybe got the ope ope previously

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Until all CDs are immortal, the Ope Ope will always be among the most valuable fruits in the world. Ideally they just farm slaves giving them all immortality until they're all done

hazy frigate
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But it's also weird right that if imu did receive that surgery

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Wouldn't he try to keep the powers of ope ope no mi a secret

modest skiff
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Its possible plenty of others were immortal before imu and are still alive

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He may not be the only one from that far back still alive

hazy frigate
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A wild theory that I always think is maybe the owner of the big strawhat recieved the surgery ..and is alive for past 800 years ...and is imprisoned by imu

modest skiff
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yeah, maybe Luffy goes to break out Sabo from Marie Jois. Maybe by doing so, he frees whoever is in Imu's prison. Perhaps Luffy frees Joyboy or one of Joyboy's friends/crewmates

hazy frigate
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It is possible that there might be other immortals..but i think there might be conditions to operate on any person to make em immortal

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I mean it can't just be simple

modest skiff
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I think you need to legitimately want to

hazy frigate
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Yessss

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That's what I think ..like you really want to give that person your life

modest skiff
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But it doesn't really matter if the person refuses because you can kill them and then the fruit respawns and you try again

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I don't think it is something like needing to love the person or something but I do think they need to choose to do it

hazy frigate
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Yess..but it does put a limitation on the fact that if a person who doesn't have any friends or family who like em ..can get surgery

modest skiff
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If the Ope Ope user puts their own heart in someone else, they live forever unless killed by something unnatural. That's what I think it is

hazy frigate
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Could be ..there is much to know about ope ope no mi

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But I'm sure there is atleast one immortal in one piece

modest skiff
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yeah i mean its purely bullshit theory on my part but got no reason to think anything else.. lol

hazy frigate
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Hahaha we all make certain bs here ..that's why they are called theory

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I know someone is immortal for sure....in one piece

pure raven
worn portal
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also when luffy breaks deadline

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all sees will come together and that’s forms all blue and no barrier between everything and the after math destroys fishman

modest skiff
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I do think that someone totally amazing is imprisoned in Marie Jois when they break out Sabo, if that's what happens

hazy frigate
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I do think redline will be destroyed.. but it needs more reason and backstory for luffy to destroy it

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Yeah Marie jois definitely has someone imprisoned .. don't know who though ..

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Ever noticed ..the skull of onigashima

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It's similar to orz type of creature

weary cliff
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On an order of magnitude larger. It may be a rock carving. Would be fun as an actual skull though

worn portal
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guys i think ik where final poneglyph is

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wanna hear me out

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@everyone

cedar sinew
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Don’t try to ping everyone @worn portal

worn portal
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my bad but can you hear me out

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you know how marco is bare sad that wb died and is eager to fulfill his wishes

cedar sinew
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Yes

worn portal
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and wants to help him out i think wb has a poneglyph in sphinx village it’s in new world and it may be where wb poneglyh is that’s why marco is living there as a doctor to prevent any villains from getting it untill the right person such as luffy

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other than luffy wb had the final one lnow marco guardian it from bb kaido

cedar sinew
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Marco was there to prevent damage from potential backlash from people that hated WB

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Or people like Weevil

worn portal
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but still it’s a good shout

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will the poneglyph be in new world only

cedar sinew
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Narratively yes

worn portal
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hm

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i think shanks has it then

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prob at lodestar and knows where it is as he prob won’t there as his last island not raftel

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his last island he went to was lodestar

hazy frigate
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I don't wb has it ..he never even tried to go after one piece .. and he didn't take Roger seriously the first time he talked about being pirate king...

neon shoal
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Anyone else believe may happen?

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worldly vigil
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what do you guys think was the egg on Roger’s ship?

tame depot
pure raven
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Sabo is arguably stronger than Ace and his companions are much more capable. That also being said I do believe that Luffy will play a major pivotal role in the coming war but no idea how it will go but I doubt Oda would run with an execution idea

modest skiff
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I really like the idea of Luffy successfully busting out Sabo and uncovering some other important character in the same prison

pure raven
scenic thicket
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i would not be surprised if whatever happens to sabo by the WG will be after the reveal of the one piece

runic osprey
dry dirge
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🤔

grizzled fog
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can you post the picture itself? hard to see that in a screenshot of a tweet

amber oar
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I saw that the other day but completely forgot to post it

dry dirge
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bada boom

grizzled fog
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neat

dry dirge
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very

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a lil easter egg

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a diff look at it

crude solstice
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yo just realized noland was executed kinda like Rodger and ace, went around the world making it a better place and is a legendary figure, while rodgers last words were taken seriously nolands wasn't and all that jazz! i bet if i thought about this for more than like 4 min then it would make more sense but is noland related to rodgers, luffys, and even mabey joyboys inhearited will??

fossil juniper
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yes yes luffy will beat kaido and win

light pond
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If that is true who would have transfer it from fishman island to marijoas? Cause we know the missing road poneglyph was once in FMI

pure raven
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Someone correct me here but wasn't the fishman island poneglyph the one that Big mom took when she took ownership of fishman island after whitebeard but before luffy took over?

amber oar
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nope

there was only one road poneglyph at WCI, and it was already there in Roger's times

pure raven
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So

dusk sand
pure raven
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1 was with Zou
1 was with Kaido somewhere
1 was with BM
1 was on fishman island and this one is missing?

dusk sand
worldly vigil
pure raven
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was it there during Neptune's time?

dusk sand
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I think so

pure raven
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So we can assume Post Roger but pre... Luffy's descent into FMI

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fuck that's like a 20 year window

worldly vigil
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if only we had something that could tell us where all Poneglyphs are

dusk sand
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Yeah that last Poneglyph is probably with Shanks, but I only say that because BM and Kaido had one each

worldly vigil
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WAIT

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No way I mixed this up

light pond
worldly vigil
light pond
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It could lead to the conflict with weevil

worldly vigil
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I meant to say ancient weapon smh, how could I confuse them

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I don’t like weevil tbh

pure raven
dusk sand
worldly vigil
dusk sand
light pond
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WB once protected FMI so thats is my guess he took it hid it with his treasures and now that Weevil is looking for it there's the conflict

worldly vigil
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Shanks is not evil, he’s just shrouded in mystery intentionally

dusk sand
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Yeah exactly

worldly vigil
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the way I see Shanks is like if you were to ask your parent to explain something to you and they can’t because you wouldn’t understand it and that him as a Yonko and him being able to see all the gorosei at once makes him so much more knowledgeable and “higher” up than normal people but that’s just the way I view him ig

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I don’t think he’s evil, it’s just he doesn’t want anyone in his business lmao

rain plover
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Idk how that checkered fate theory circulating doesn't address the ancient weapons nor the final war lol

pure raven
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logical answer is because we're not there yet nor do we know the full backstory of the void century and the figures that act as our modern parallel

dusk sand
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Lmao TNM's video was just a patterns theory. Like there is definitely a way Oda is writing the story that fits a specific model but there's no way its just an inversion of each arc

pure raven
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^ it's not an exact 1-1 type; themes and story beats are in a lot of good stories and this is just one of those things we're waiting and seeing.

worldly vigil
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it’s just history repeating itself but with changes

steep vigil
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lucky roo has the speed speed fruit

dusk sand
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Yeah I'm sure when One Piece is over, you can attribute arcs to others. I just don't like the way he broke it down. Its not like Oda has planned this out 100%, I can't see him doing this elaborate way of writing

dry dirge
pure raven
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I'm a bit lost on the road poneyglyphs and like the regular poneglyphs

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cause the regular poneglyphs have history and information on where to find the road poneglyphs but like... if the road poneglyphs are moved then like unless someone says they have one how are you gonna find it? Like where did Kaido find his???

steep vigil
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how did shanks and his crew get to marineford so fast tho

worldly vigil
dry dirge
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yuh i feel u

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one of them has it xD

steep vigil
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have you guys heard about the theory that black beard is a devil

dry dirge
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imu sama would make more sense as devil, but I haven't heard that theory

pure raven
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I really am intrigued and wanna know how Oda's gonna throw in Crocodile back into the story

steep vigil
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i think so cus he can control 2 devil fruits even though a human's body will get destroyed by the 2 devils inside the fruits

dry dirge
modest skiff
dry dirge
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bon klay for sure alive

pure raven
steep vigil
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i want usopp to just get an actual weapon now

pure raven
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like not even kidding; I expect another major jail break of the highest order

steep vigil
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cus all bro has is a slingshot and hes supposed to be fighting yonkos

modest skiff
pure raven
pure raven
worldly vigil
# steep vigil have you guys heard about the theory that black beard is a devil

I heard a theory that each ancient weapon corresponds to a certain type of haki, 3 weapons, 3 haki, Pluton is gonna be armament haki bc it’s used for offense and defense, just like a ship is. Poseidon is conqueror’s haki because it’s the ability to command and influence / how she commands the sea kings, so therefore Uranus must be like observation haki, and when we saw the giant straw hat in Mary Geoise is just a form it took and was an threat that would arise, along side Vivi and BB who could all be threats to Im’s position and that it changes forms? idk I thought it was pretty interesting

pure raven
worldly vigil
dry dirge
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interesting parallels in that theory

pure raven
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voice of all things goes hard and Zou needed Momo to issue a command so like take that as you will

modest skiff
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My mildly serious elbaf theory: There's a sword that some legendary warrior will some day be able to pull out of the ground. All giants try and can't. Usopp finds it, looks at it, notices there is a way to make it pop out, but giants are too big to see it. So Usopp puts on a show and pulls it out. Elbaf goes nuts and praises him. Whether this happens or something else, I think usopp comes out of Elbaf a hero to giants

pure raven
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fits a bit with the observation thing just saying

pure raven
modest skiff
pure raven
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my question is what's the conflict?

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Cause like Elbaf seems like it'll be a really chill cause there's no major threat there atm unless Loki's formed an alliance with blackbeard

modest skiff
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If we get another god damn corruption from within bullshit, I am going to...continue reading...but be salty

pure raven
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Loki could demand to Marry Nami... Just saying... He wanted to Marry Lola and like... something tells me this might be something Oda would pull

worldly vigil
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Ya know, I’ve looked into everything I could even when I first started so I knew about poneglyphs, oden, haki all by the 20th episode but I have never heard of Loki- well I’ve heard the name but nothing other than that, is he Elbaf’s God?

proud crystal
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hes the prince i think

pure raven
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The elephant zombie girl from Thriller bark

worldly vigil
worldly vigil
pure raven
# worldly vigil How would he go about doing that?

he's proported to have enough political power and sway to wipe away that hatred. Not literally wipe away malice and negative feelings but has the power to enable the political marriage

Also yes her but she wasn't as memorable as zombie elephant girl who had her personality/shadow

worldly vigil
pure raven
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I don't think he's powerful; I think it's a position of power thing rather than actual power

worldly vigil
pure raven
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yea he's the prince of the giants or maybe the thing at this point but how the conflict pays off i wouldn't know but then again ppl theorize that shanks is showing up here

proud crystal
worldly vigil
pure raven
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I kinda don't expect much from Loki

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I'm expecting kind of a wimp/big baby of a giant

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That also being said I find it VERY fascinating that Loki is the name of the giant whom is also the name of the god of lies and mischief alongside our resident liar Usopp.

worldly vigil
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Ahh yes that’s a very interesting parallel you bring up

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also about Elbaf I’m pretty sure that’s where the last Road Poneglyph is, Luffy is probably gonna fight Shanks in order to get it, idk Luffy DID say he would take down ALL 4 Yonkos and he was including Shanks when he said that

oak mural
pure raven
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if Oda wants to leverage some easy juice
He could just have Loki call them liars about the two giant leader captains. Leading to some back and forth and tension and also leverage how humans aren't trustworthy given their history with Mother caramelle, Big Mom, and the marines

oak mural
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I think he will

pure raven
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I don't think it'd be lethal given their respective areas atm

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unless Oda plans on having the Straw hat Alliance showing up; Actually where tf is Law going after wano?

ember trench
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With Luffy

worldly vigil
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I wonder if Mihawk will join up with Shanks when the warlord system is abolished, I don’t think he’s strong enough to take on multiple admirals, so maybe him and Shanks will be at Elbaf? idk lol

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Don’t think he would join shanks

pure raven
ember trench
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He’s just enjoy being chased

pure raven
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Mihawk's not too boistrous of a threat that warrants them actively going against him

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if anything I think the current marine set up is more akin to a... show to the nations that the world government is serious

worldly vigil
ember trench
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Possibility that admirals and SSG combined will be enough to bring in the three warlords

pure raven
ember trench
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You would for Hancock, Weevil, or Mihawk

worldly vigil
ember trench
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I would honestly find it strange if they didn’t send an admiral to get the warlords

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And if Oda wants to build up the marines and their new superweapon for the endgame no better way than having them win this mini-war with the warlords

pure raven
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The admirals aren't out constantly getting big name pirates. They have everyone else for that. They're chilling until something serious warrants their attention. The war lords don't fit enough of an active threat and are more just big name criminals

ember trench
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Nah admirals are sent out to look for the big names

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Multiple characters confirm this

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But for the warlords specifically you are talking about one of the three great powers. They aren’t “just” big name criminals. This is where the marines show that they don’t need them anymore.

worldly vigil
ember trench
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And if you take out buggy - because he’s buggy - you have one admiral for each warlord currently fighting back

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Though I think they will mainly use this opportunity to showcase their new weapon

pure raven
amber oar
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Kuzan straight up said Doflamingo was on a league of his own respect to the rest of the warlords

fading thorn
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is there any significance to purple conquerors haki? i think i saw it briefly once in the doffy fight and defo saw some other fights with purple conquerors but don’t remember it

steep vigil
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purple probably means very evil but not black level of evil

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plus green or blue means extremely kind, like i expect aokiji to have blue conq haki if he has it

worldly vigil
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then what does red mean?

pure raven
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the guy in stampede had purple

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and showed luffy fughting back with red

steep vigil
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red is probably bad execution with good intentions

worldly vigil
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didnt doflamingo have red?

steep vigil
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it was purple i think

worldly vigil
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hmm i don’t think so

dry dirge
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doflamingo's was purple

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i just remember his devil fruit awakening coated the white string in purple

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but don't quote me on that

fading thorn
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luffy is gonna get yellow conquerors guaranteed because it represents the dawn or something

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you can’t prove me wrong because i refuse to be wrong about this

amber oar
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What is this talk about coc colors, are those even canon?

worldly vigil
dry dirge
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tbh i don't think the color of conqueror's is significant

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yea you’re probably right, I just wanna know what truly chooses if somebody has conq haki or not, I know it’s the “if they will be a good king” or something along those lines but we don’t have any true evidence that is what it really is but at the same time Shanks’ gave us some lore about where devil fruits came from and that’s the only information we have to go off of lol

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Does the manga even have official colors for things like that

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I know nothing of haki colors tbh

errant nova
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Do we have any precedent for what anniversary chapters usually cover or characters they’ll focus on? Curious if there’s been a noticeable trend

amber oar
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These are the chapters released on anniversary week. I don't see any particular pattern, colorspreads aren't even the norm. Good lord, a year ago Orochi was beheaded

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blackbeard is the strongest yonko

dusky acorn
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Content:

Introduction

  1. Contact and Recency
  2. Shanks' Pirate Relations
  3. Unknown Battle
  4. Chronology
  5. Escape
  6. Big Mom vs Shanks
  7. Background
  8. Supernova
  9. Lore
  10. Leadup to the Reveals
  11. Analysing Reverie
    Rebuttals [1-3]
    TLDR

The Pirate Shanks Discussed with the Gorosei THEORY

Introduction

 In regards to the various happenings at the Reverie, one of the most intriguing events that had occurred is Shanks' mysterious entrance towards the Gorosei, who are an utmost authority of the world as the highest ranking Celestial Dragons. 

 While there are several guesses as to who the pirate Shanks went to discuss with the Elders may be, there lies one dark horse who may fit very well as the certain pirate that had been discussed. For this figure, the reasoning and timeline shall be delved into, why other options don't fit as well as one would think, and vague grounds on what may have been discussed.
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(1) Contact and Recency

 Before delving into relationships, something that will be cleared up are some logical assumptions in regards to the circumstances Shanks is speaking on behalf on, to help narrow things down.

 First, let's assume that whatever Shanks is speaking about in regards to this pirate is *first-hand information* he received himself. This would be as opposed to having uncovered something from afar, such as by receiving information from a potential spy of his.

 Even just from a story-telling standpoint, whatever Shanks is speaking on behalf of should ideally be something that came to light out of a personal experience Shanks was actually there for.

 To put this into perspective, it's just like how for Blackbeard, Shanks had actual contact with him which made the development way stronger. The revelation wouldn't have been quite as impactful if Shanks merely came from the stance of hearing that Blackbeard had scarred a crew member of his, right? I think most everyone can agree on this.

 As for the next assumption, the most logical scenario Shanks is speaking about this pirate to the Gorosei for is presumably because he has only *recently learned* something new about this figure, which increases their immediate interest, and the World Government does not yet know about it. 

 Otherwise, it wouldn't make sense whatsoever for Shanks to have waited all this time until only now to give the elders a talk about such a pressing matter, if it was information he had been aware of for such a long stretch of time.
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(2) Shanks' Pirate Relations

 With the preliminary reasonable assumptions now in place, a primary subject of interest to look into are the pirate relations Shanks has had, to figure out potential avenues for him to have gained information about such individuals.

(a). Monkey D. Luffy

  • Reacted to Luffy's Dressrosa bounty.
  • Reacted to Luffy's "5th Emperor" news.
 Just by looking at this, it's practically impossible for Shanks to know anything about Luffy in regards to recent times when all he's done is look at bounty increases.

 Even before this, Shanks' story in regards to Luffy is already known about. The audience even knows much more about Luffy than Shanks does anyways.

 Not to mention, secretly talking about Luffy to people such as the Gorosei would likely spell nothing but trouble, which would be extremely out of character for Shanks. Looking at it from all these perspectives, it should make Luffy ruled out as a suspect beyond reasonable doubt.
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(b). Marshall D. Teach

  • Fought against each other as young pirates.
  • Reunited at Marineford.
 While the events surrounding Shanks and Blackbeard are impactful, none of them hits the mark as something recent enough that would make Shanks want to shed light on him only now, of all times.

 Shanks has had absolutely no known event with Blackbeard in the past couple years that would have continuity for gaining new information about him that the World Government aren't already insightful on.

 As for something having possibly come into fruition between Shanks and Blackbeard offscreen during the time-skip, an event as big as two Emperors meeting would have surely lead to something catastrophic, or the audience would have learned it had happened by now just like the Payback War. And yet, nothing ever came to light. 

 And regardless of all this, Shanks has already been shown discussing about Blackbeard with Whitebeard, in which he already revealed all the cards he had to discuss about him during that meeting already.

 Ultimately, this makes Shanks personally uncovering something about Blackbeard in the past two years quite unfathomable.
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(c). Eustass Kid

  • The Red Hair Pirates fought the Kid Pirates and Kid lost his left arm in the fight.
 As it stands, Kid and his crew are the one and only notable pirates who have had a recent encounter with Shanks' crew. 

 For a moment, take a step back and look at things through a complete and utter objective lens by separating yourself from the currently known levels of character significance amongst Kid, Blackbeard, and Luffy. 

 Doesn't this sheer fact alone of Kid being the only pirate with a physical, recent encounter with Shanks' crew already seem like it *should* make Kid the best candidate as to the certain pirate Shanks would now be discussing?

 Clearly, if there's something Shanks wants to talk about to gargantuan figures like these, there must be plenty we currently don't know about Kid. However, this is exactly something that has been teased with the character before. 

 Back at Udon, Kid prompted Caribou if he had any more questions about him.  This was refused at the time. but the point stands, there's more aspects in regards to Kid's character that *could* have been answered, and simply weren’t. Given the context of the scene, most likely questions related to the Red Hair event.
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(3) Chronology

 Not only that, but the Red Hair fight even strikes as something particularly very recent, having been just over the last few months as well.

To break this time-frame down:

 A few days prior to the events of Fishman-Island, Kid sunk two of Big Mom's ships. Seeing as Kid said he's never tried to go after Big Mom before, this means it should have occurred when he went into Totland to steal something, and the rumours spread of him having lost his arm to Big Mom's forces.

 If false rumours spread about Kid's lost arm, then it means they must have only had the chance to spread in the first place due to there not being a good stretch of time in between the two Red Hair and Totland events.

 Thus, if the Red Hair event is extremely close to the Totland event which was just a few days before the time-skip ended, then it means the battle was just over the last few months, at most. 

 Kid's fight against the Red Hair Pirates was relatively recent, which also fits with the earlier qualifier that's been given for Shanks' meeting logically being in regards to a recent revelation he learned about.
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Even soon after the KidP vs RedH conflict, the last thing Shanks knew about Kid was that he had declared an alliance against him, due to the newspaper. Even though Shanks' reaction to this wasn't shown, he had undoubtedly made room to see this edition of the news, as it was the same paper that had Luffy in it.

 This lends more reason for Kid to have continued being a recent topic in Shanks' mind, even after their first fight ended.
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(4) Unknown Battle

 Now, the most interesting thing about the Red Hair battle is that much to the contrary of one would expect out of a battle between Worst Generation members against an Emperor's forces, it was a conflict that was wholly unknown to the public. People such as Caribou did not know how Kid actually lost his arm.

 As for the Totland rumours, they were very much done this way in favour of the Red Hair event. The entire aspect of Kid having allegedly lost an arm from Totland conflict wasn't needed at all to make this work. Thus, the reason Kid's arm was included in the rumour was precisely done to set-up the Red Hair battle as a conflict that had been completely unknown.

 The entire way the plot-line of the Red Hair conflict is being presented as unknown is such a unique thing to do about an Emperor fight. It comes off as there having been something important that happened during the conflict that's instead being saved for later, to be covered with further elaboration. Doesn't this ring a bell to Shanks' current discussion with the Gorosei?

 As for Kid's fight being clouded in mystery, this is all strangely familiar to a past conflict Shanks had been in, with Blackbeard. Due to that fight, Shanks felt the need to relay details of the unknown battle to the appropriate figure.

 And of course, back when Kid revealed the fight in Udon, a flashback towards any details about it weren't given either. 

 With all this in mind, perhaps the very reason the battle has been presented this way is so that Shanks having a conversation with the Gorosei to shed light on whatever was uncovered during the battle makes sense for even the Gorosei not to know this info.
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(5) Big Mom vs Shanks

 In regards to people thinking Kid lost his arm to Big Mom, this would have been more practical timeline wise to actually have happened to him, as Kid having gone into Totland was an already known event to readers, rather than going out of the way to develop a whole new, past confrontation with the Red Hairs. 

 Big Mom is even the Emperor currently in Wano, and the one Kid's been made to be fighting. Yet, the relevance and actual history was given over to Shanks instead. This undoubtedly means that one way or another, their story together is not finished yet. 

 Whether this added relevance stretches as far as Shanks wanting to discuss about Kid is yet to be decided, but it at least seems as a possibility when factoring Oda's decision for who this piece of history actually went to in the end.
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(6) Escape

 Contrary to the belief of the Red Hairs letting Kid off on a whim, this should not fit at all with their actual characters. Letting Kid walk just because they're nice guys or something would be like repeating the same mistake with Blackbeard, by leaving a rising pirate with potential to come back stronger and cause them further nuisance.

 Even at the beginning of the story, the Red Hairs did not show any mercy to the lives of the bandits, with Lucky Roo notably having the first kill in the series. Shanks even said the most unacceptable thing to him is his friends getting harmed.

 If that's the case, then Kid is definitely more vicious than some bandits, and most likely at least injured some crew mates of his, who are Shanks' closest freinds.

 Due to how we know the Red Hairs act in regards to people like Kid, it's likely they did in fact want to kill him, and yet him coming out of the fight alive was somehow outside of their control.

 The reason an explanation like this is needed is so that there's absolutely reason for Shanks wanting to speak about Kid to the Gorosei now, if they let a chance to kill him slip beforehand.
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(7) Kid's Background

 There are two key aspects about Kid's character that could tie into whatever Shanks went to talk to them about. The first of which is his strong disdain towards scum who rule the world, notably including Celestial Dragons.

 The circumstances that had sparked Kid's resentment towards people in power are still unknown, but it's known that the mindset does come from a certain aspect of his past. Coincidentally, the top Celestial Dragons who rule the world just so happened to be the appropriate figures Shanks saw as fitting to go speak to for this pirate.

 The other aspect of interest that could tie into Shanks discussing about Kid to the Gorosei is his unexplored heritage, which has had many hints to some sort of esteemed origin. The full theory towards this can be found here: <[#manga-theories message](/guild/164970986284777473/channel/477571830941614080/)>, but here's a quick summary of Kid's royal themes:

  1. Castle designs on the Victoria Punk, (Ships typically represents things about their captains).

  2. Castle design on hideout,

  3. Crown on the skull of Punk Rotten,

  4. Expensive clothing. (Jewllery, lavish boots, feathered cape),

  5. The inspired real life pirate for Kid's "Eustass" family name was also born into nobility, in medieval times.
    The medieval time period sounds awfully familiar to Kid's existing castle designs, right? Kid even shares other similarities with Eustace the Monk too.

    Combining these hints at royal roots, along with the ironic resentment towards those who rule the world in spite of all those qualities, both of these aspects in tandem sound like they could mold together an interesting enough background for there to be something important to discuss about Kid to the Gorosei. They would be the exact appropriate figures to discuss someone with the disposition of these kinds of traits.

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(8) Supernova Identities

 When taking a look at all new super-rookies that appeared at Sabaody, which are a prominent group of characters Kid is part of, there's an interesting trend between them as the story had progressed, which Kid stands out like a sore thumb in compared to the others.

 Each and every one of them aside from Kid have had alternate identities to reveal about themselves, which gave additional layers to all of their characters.

(a). Law had the Warlord and Will of D. reveal

(b). Bege had the Big Mom Pirate reveal

(c). Bonney had the Royalty reveal

(d). Hawkins had the Headliner reveal

(e). Apoo had the Informant reveal

(f). Drake had the SWORD reveal

(g). Killer had the Kamazo reveal

(h). This is mere conjecture for now, but it's extremely plausible that Urouge is being built up to have a reveal of having become a Blackbeard Pirate. (Full theory: <#manga-theories message>)

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If this has been the case over the course of the story, then what exactly is Kid waiting for in regards to his character to give it that extra push beyond who he plainly is now? Shanks talking about him to the Gorosei can be the spark to this. Besides knowing Killer and liking a girl, his background is still very much clouded in mystery.

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(9) Lore

 If one were to zoom in even further amongst the Worst Gen towards the trio that Kid is made to be even more commonly portrayed as part of alongside Luffy and Law, it's very clear once again that one of these things does not look like the others.

 The other two have had huge aspects of their characters that effectively sow them in big time into the greater lore of One Piece's story. Luffy has becoming Joyboy, carrying Roger's will, amongst many other things. Law has the will of D., the world acclaimed Ope-Ope fruit that is directly tied towards the World Government, the National Treasure, etc.

 Kid is still missing even a single aspect of his identity that can majorly tie him into the overarching lore of One Piece. If Shanks were to speak to the Gorosei about something interesting about Kid that's still unknown, then this could be the window to tie in and finally begin his deeper importance besides just being a brutal pirate aiming for One Piece.
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(10) Leadup to the Reveals

 If Kid is the figure being discussed by Shanks, then it coincides with similarities in how Blackbeard was set up before him being the figure of discussion for Shanks' meeting with Whitebeard was revealed.
    • Both characters have already had a past conflict with the Red Hairs.
    • Both characters parted ways from Luffy talking about pirate dreams, and how they react to people laughing at them.
      BB = (Ch. 225 -> (234/434)
      Kid = (Ch. 505 -> (907/???)

    • Both characters have had interactions with Luffy in ways where they're trying to compete and one-up each other.
      BB = Ch. 223 -> (234/434)
      Kid = Ch. 926 -> (???) (Still waiting for the chapter that actually reveals who Shanks was talking about).

      Of course, this is just exemplifying an extremely small fraction out of many other key scenes these two characters have showcased.

      However, what I'm trying to paint here is that if such a bare minimum of build up ended up working adequately enough for Blackbeard to then be revealed as a figure Shanks wanted to talk about in Chapter 234, then Kid surely has had enough similar relevance for him to be the figure Shanks wanted to speak about this time around.

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(11) Analyzing Reverie Scene

 Finally taking a look at the actual Reverie scene, what's peculiar about Shanks' dialogue is how he felt the need to generalise this figure to such a degree in his opening statement, reducing them to something as basic as just... 'an individual involved in piracy'.

 If it were Blackbeard that Shanks were speaking to the Gorosei about, then Shanks could have began his opening sentence with a phrase such as a "certain Yonko" to specify better, yet still staying true to the spirit of not entirely giving the reveal away. 

 Or, the scene could have had Shanks just say Blackbeard's name outright and that he's "planning something", before it actually cut away, as it still leaves room for interpretation.

 And yet, the way it was actually done simply seems like way too much unnecessary beating around the bush from Shanks, if it's some gargantuan figure he's speaking on behalf on. 

 The entire way this scene is presented to me at least, comes off as Shanks opening up about someone who's relatively not on display for Gorosei/Imu, which fits for Kid in regards to not having been marked by them.
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First Rebuttal

Kid was done for and locked in chains at Wano, why would Shanks want to be talking about some already defeated pirate?

 Shanks should have had no knowledge about Kid being captured and locked by Kaido, as no news inside Wano is supposed to easily leave the country, much less news of events being reported in Kid's hideout. 

 The only reason Kid's alliance was leaked in the first place was due to Absalom venturing in to report it with his invisibility, even though it was meant to be kept a secret.
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Second Rebuttal

There's no way Kid ever even met Shanks during their fight. Kid said he lost his arm in a fight with the Red Hair Pirates, not by Shanks.

 Well in that case, allow me to ask a question back at this: Even aside from Shanks, we know that many members of the highly balanced Red Hair crew are built up to have gigantic reputations for themselves all around, so why didn't Kid choose to say any name at all? 

 There's no shame in losing a limb to such renowned crew members like Beckman, Roo, etc, yet Kid didn't name anyone. That's because it's just as simple as Oda not wanting to give every piece of information all at once, meaning it very well could have been Shanks too.

 And unlike the other Emperors, Shanks is someone who often sticks by very closely to his trusted crew. Going off this, if one finds the Red Hairs, chances are they're seeing the captain as well. Even Ace was able to see the Emperor, and Shanks was personally willing to give him a fight.

 Not to mention, it would be nothing but appropriate to make the arm having been taken by Shanks especially because of what's happening right now in Wano; taking on Emperors. 

 It's very unlikely for the story to downsize Kid heavily to such a degree where his main history of note will be with a mere crew member rather than Shanks himself, so late into the story by the time he confronts the Red Hairs again.
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Third Rebuttal

But Imu literally had Blackbeard and Luffy's wanted posters and was cutting them up. These were even shown in the adjacent chapters to Shanks speaking with the Gorosei. It has to be one of them.

 Well, let's take this line of thinking and put it on the flipside. If Luffy and Blackbeard are already the primary targets for the rulers of the world, even **above every other Emperor**, then why on earth would more information by Shanks need to be brought to light about either of them? 

 Is stacking on more insight from Shanks' anecdotal experience about either one of these two pirates really going to change anything about the end result the Gorosei already have of wanting to kill them? They already have all the necessary information to know both are lights that must be extinguished from the world.

 Seeing as Shanks is his own person in this grand scheme of things, it should be equally, if not more plausible that what Shanks' addition here is doing is bringing attention to a separate pirate of interest they aren't already thinking of, and for this pirate's addition to actually make sense to be on their radar now.

 The pirate being brought into the limelight would naturally be most appropriate if it's someone that has endgame relevance to people such as Celestial Dragons. It just so happens that Kid fits the bill for this aspect.
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TLDR

  1. Logically, what Shanks is talking about is in regards to something recent, along with it being a revelation that Shanks had personal experience for.

  2. Kid is the only established significant pirate the Red Hairs have recently interacted with over the time-skip.

  • Kid has teased that more possible answers do exist in relation to his character/the Red Hair fight, beyond what he's already elaborated on.
  1. Chronologically, the Kid Pirate vs Red Hair fight was even over recent months, which fits the recent nature Shanks is speaking on behalf on.
  • The last thing Shanks knew about Kid was that he had declared an alliance against him due to the newspaper, making him continue to be a recent topic in Shanks' mind.
  1. The Red Hair vs Kid Pirate conflict was presented as seemingly no one knowing about the event.
  • The reason this battle was oddly done this way may have been so that Shanks discussing with the Gorosei to shed light on whatever was possibly uncovered in the fight about Kid actually makes sense for even the Gorosei to be out of the loop, since it didn't make the rounds at all.

  1. Kid losing his arm to the Big Mom Pirates would have actually been more appropriate, yet it wasn't made to be true. Giving the extra depth and history to Shanks means their story together isn’t finished yet.

  2. Going by the Red Hairs characters of showing no mercy to people who hurt their friends, the chance to nip Kid in the bud should have slipped through their fingers. This logical scenario is ideal for Shanks now having no choice but to discuss about him.

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7) Two key aspects about Kid's character than can connect to something of particular importance about him to discuss with the Gorosei are:

  • Kid's disdain towards Celestial Dragons and the mighty who rule the world, which comes from his past.

  • Kid's ironic relations to royal aspects all over his character, which may hint to some sort of extraordinary roots.

  1. A group of people Kid is portrayed multiple times with are the other 9 Super-Rookies introduced at Sabaody. Besides Kid, the other characters have had new revelations as the series progressed towards their identities. Shanks talking about something in regards to Kid's background could be the spark to this for his character.

  2. Out of the Supernova Trio, both Luffy and Law have had aspects of their characters that majorly tie them into the overarching world and lore of One Piece. Shanks revealing something important about Kid could be his key to finally joining that sort of relevance in his own unique way.

  3. Blackbeard was the previous figure Shanks went to discuss to a proper authority about. Kid has gotten similar buildup just like Blackbeard, before the beans are spilled on the details of Shanks' respective meetings.

  4. Shanks' demeanour during the Reverie scene may fit better for the pirate to NOT be someone of gargantuan status such as that of an Emperor, and instead someone not on display for them, such as Kid.

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imma grt on my pc for that

steep vigil
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bros hands must be in pain from typing 💀

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Hf reading then! You may get back to me on anything you want to discuss

grizzled fog
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Yeah, his defeat happened back at his hideout, which is another place where information isn't supposed to normally leak out from

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if he just meant Luffy and Law, he could've said Luffy and Law. but he was intentionally a big vague about it.

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which I think indicates it was known Kid was defeated by Kaido.

dusky acorn
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If he were including people such as Drake and Caribou who also feasibly make sense for the public to know about, then that statement still has enough people to fit his quote

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yeah but drake was part of kaido's crew.

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It definitely felt more like BB was talking from an antagonistic perspective. i.e. people who are antagonistic towards Kaido. which drake wouldn't be.

dusky acorn
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I don't know, to me it felt like it could have also fit just as well as Blackbeard alluding to that a conflict of sorts can be stirring amongst all those angry young people in Wano, not necessarily that they'd be all working on the same side

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Ah, here's some more concrete evidence

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At least before Law went into Wano, he did not know that Kid was in there, nor Hawkins supposedly

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So I doubt the news made the rounds, at least before Law went into the country and had chances to read the papers

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Also idk about putting such an emphasis on the "how did he escape" stuff 'cause you can say the same about Apoo and Urouge for Tottoland. Both were explicitly defeated, yet they also "escaped". It's probably more likely they were just defeated and then they left. It's not really that "odd" in the grand scheme when there's a lot of precedence for it.

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Kaido seems to be the only one who tried to recruit and imprison.

dusky acorn
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Yeah, I do suppose people are being made to leave Emperor territories left and right in the series lol

steep vigil
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blackbeard was recruiting in stampede in the beginning

copper frost
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I can agree with shanks talking about something recent. I don't know if I think he would be talking about Kid. I just can't imagine Kid being so important that Shanks needs to inform the Gorosei about him. Then again, I can't really fathom what exactly shanks is telling them that they don't already know.

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Oh no swrml, 234 is actually when it was revealed Shanks wanted to discuss about Blackbeard and Ace, when Rockstar went in with the message

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It's just that the full details took until 434 yep

dusky acorn
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It's hard to say how the Gorosei wouldn't know about his background if it's meant to be so important, it's a mess no matter how I spin it, but this is the conclusion I've drawn to. Thanks for the feedback on it being recent, yea

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Did the new chap come out?

steep vigil
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im just gonna hope buggy never awakens his df

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Good writeup, somewhat convinced now. I'll agree that Kid fits chronologically via his battle with Shanks, Oda did go out of his way to make it a mystery. I don't think that such a battle necessarily has to be known though. Shanks crew is much smaller comparatively, and if it was a brief clash in the seas or some unknown island, makes sense for the event to be under the radar. Also I don't really think his hatred for celestial dragons is too signifiant because a lot of characters do hate them by nature. I'm not really sure how significant Kid's heritage will be in the first place. Like the most important question that needs to be answered is in what way Kid dangerous enough to warrant Shanks action. You mentioned his heritage being linked to the CDs but I can't come up with a reason to how that'd be significant and why Shanks would feel compelled to share it with the gorosei. You can always argue Shanks shared info about BB out of his respect for WB/Ace, Gorosei are a lot different.
And a minor thing, Kid was revealed to be on the same prison as Luffy, concluding act 1. I think that's a big enough "reveal" or w/e to follow up on the supernova parallel you were writing. @dusky acorn

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also another thing. The Shanks --> BB and Shanks --> Kid parallel has a major flaw to it which is that Kid is nowhere as dangerous as BB was, both narratively and logically. I feel that's my biggest issue with Kid being the mystery. Yes the timeline and the hints match up but the logic doesn't from what we've seen so far. BB at the time of Shanks/WB meetup was almost a complete mystery, and then later played a gigantic role in the capture of Ace --> MF. He changed the era. What will Kid to do match that (actually, even one up that as we're reaching the climax)? I can see how Shanks warning about the same person (in a different way ofc) is repetitive, but BB is just much more mysterious and potent narratively than Kid is. Ultimately, I think it just comes down to how capable Kid is narratively. Something of the level of ancient weapons or laugh tale to warrant Shanks action, and I don't see any of that from what I understand.

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Shanks crew is much smaller comparatively, and if it was a brief clash in the seas or some unknown island, makes sense for the event to be under the radar
Alright agreed, out of every Emperor, the Red Hairs are the ones I'd bank on to have their fights not be known about, just given the nature of their travels.

And a minor thing, Kid was revealed to be on the same prison as Luffy, concluding act 1. I think that's a big enough "reveal" or w/e to follow up on the supernova parallel you were writing.
Yeah that could count as an additional reveal he's been given, but I suppose I was moreso thinking along the lines of positive reveals about the characters that propelled them forward, which being a prisoner was something he suffered from lol.

I'm not really sure how significant Kid's heritage will be in the first place
If it's potentially being saved for so late in the story, I think it has to be something on a relatively grand scale. As I would think, but then I remember he comes from the South Blue and I'm unsure how important a heritage not from the Grand Line can be. 🤔

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I like the theory. I love the way you write btw, really props to u. I def prefer the idea of it being a "new" person instead of BB or Luffy but I do wonder what exactly this threat of kid would be. Is he playing on killing every single CD?

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Do you think he has info on ancient weapons yet?

steep vigil
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strongest supernova is bonney

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I don't think so, I would highly doubt it. Which as Mai said is one of the biggest dents in this hypothesis here, not having something on the scale of ancient weapons or the like. I just have nothing else to grab a hold of and point to in regards to Kid's character BrookShrug

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I'm not willing to speculate further if it comes at the cost of accuracy, I think we're stuck here for now tbh. Just have to wait and see. In all honesty if it is Blackbeard it might be as simple as Shanks asking for their help and leaving it at that

cedar sinew
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Oh also, just one more thing that helps BB’s case chronologically. He also started making his move during the reverie. Potentially matches up with what shanks is doing

hazy frigate
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I agree with time line ..but I would strongly disagree for one point that Kidd only went after shanks bcoz his goal is more like I wanna be the strongest pirate ..

cedar sinew
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though I agree that it's hard for Shanks to gain a significant info during the TS 🤔

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as there was nothing of mention

hazy frigate
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And to be the strongest pirate you have to defeat yonkos.. luffy is more I will have to surpass then to be free ..

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hazy frigate
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So if you are think shanks went to gorosei for kid..you are kind of reaching ..

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*Thinking

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hazy frigate
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Even if time line fits ..I think there are many things that shanks knows..that we don't know ..and oda had hinted about lurking legend..

dusky acorn
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Shanks should know a lot of things as a Yonko, but I doubt his intelligence network is on the scale of like.. Big Mom at least

hazy frigate
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Umm

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It's better actually

cedar sinew
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Oh and another point. Kid is getting ALOT of focus in wano right now. I’m personally very against shanks having anything to do with wano. BB and the revos on the other hand have their own plot lines which I feel is very likely for shanks to be involved in as well to escalate the conflict and set up the next saga

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BM was specifically mentioned as having an insane info network I believe

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I’d definitely bet on her having the largest network

dusky acorn
# hazy frigate It's better actually

It hasn't exactly been established to be on that level which is why I think Shanks is coming from some sort of his own personal experience to talk about this pirate.

Yeah, BM has had it developed more than once, definitely the top there is

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cedar sinew
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She’s all about political alliances

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Marriages and whatever else she can do

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Do continue expanding her network

hazy frigate
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Let me say it like this...with a lot of stretch and assumption..that rocks is alive..or maybe someone carrying his will is ..and you might remember that rocks way of going against celestial dragon was unclear and even garp and gol d Roger didn't agree with his method

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So what I think is ..shanks is hinting about someone who is like rocks ..which might be threat of the same manner as rocks

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And kidd isn't it ..

pastel summit
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yeah but why would shanks know more about rocks than the gorosei? Shanks was 1 yr old when rocks died. Gorosei are like, at least 70+

cedar sinew
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yeah but it'd be weird if the next plotline also majorly involved kid, no?
Wouldn't Oda want to shift the focus?

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oh you think it won't be revealed until the very final arc?

hazy frigate
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Shanks was indeed 1 year old..but he did serve under Gol d Roger .. don't you think he knows something about rocks

cedar sinew
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or rather, referenced again

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I was moreorso thinking it'd be immediately relevant in some capacity post wano

dusky acorn
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It may be, one way it could be relevant just on the horizon is if Shanks resides in Elbaf, Luffy, Law and Kid all detour there and meet him already

hazy frigate
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People are looking at chronological events and yes that's good ..I would say but look at Kid's character

dusky acorn
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But no matter who the pirate Shanks is discussing is, it won't get the full brunt of its impact unless it's the arc the Gorosei are relevant for, which is why I say final war

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If Shanks takes all the way until then to appear, that might be pretty strange though

hazy frigate
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There will definitely a war ..after wano ..bcoz of the unknown events that are cascading down ..

cedar sinew
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Well I mean the gorosei are relevant atm with sabo’s attack

hazy frigate
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I can assume cobra is dead..and navy is gonna raid ..alabasta ..for the pluton ..there is definitely one pluton there

cedar sinew
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I also don’t think if Shanks would “meet up” with Kid if he is the mystery person. He’d be out for blood, like how he’d treat BB if they had met like Ace did

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I don’t think the navy will directly raid alabasta lol

hazy frigate
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You can bet on it..they will

cedar sinew
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Probably some sort of tactic (cps?) that got alabasta in trouble

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And the marines are trying to deal with that

hazy frigate
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By making them out as traitors

cedar sinew
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Keep in mind none of them even know who im is

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They’re not going to bluntly attack an allied nation

hazy frigate
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Alright think this way ..in the reverie they could say vivi did something (like attacked cd or some reason) and printed that in the newspaper ..and just like that everyone in the world who doesn't know her will think they betrayed the govt

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dusky acorn
# cedar sinew I also don’t think if Shanks would “meet up” with Kid if he is the mystery perso...

I think the only way Shanks wouldn't necessarily be on his tail and out for blood is if we go with the alternate option of Shanks leaving Kid alive because of whatever he's important for.

I'm pointing back to Law, but it'd be similar to how Doffy wouldn't want to kill Law after hearing he ate the Ope fruit during the flashback.

Those were very special circumstances though, and there's nothing I can think of that necessaries seeing Kid as a positively pivotral aspect for Shanks. They're enemies through and through as we know

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So bottom line yeah, he'd probably be out to get him and weed him out

hazy frigate
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I assume there is an older pluton..somewhere ..

pure raven
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there most likely is

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wasn't it supposed to be hidden somewhere in Alabasta

hazy frigate
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Exactly ...and the newspaper did indicate vivi is in some kind of trouble

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What if her country is invaded to search for pluton ..

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dusky acorn
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If he knows Kid is here, yeah. But I've sorta concluded on Shanks most likely not knowing about Kid's whereabouts past him forming an alliance

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It'd have to be post Wano once the news of the Yonko takedowns make the rounds

pure raven
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Quite frankly if that happens I hope Franky builds pluton

hazy frigate
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He will for sure

cedar sinew
hazy frigate
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Many people think Robin is in trouble but actually pudding is in trouble as well...

cedar sinew
pure raven
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I believe Pudding's abilities will play a role in the future. @hazy frigate I can see her joining forces with the SH

hazy frigate
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I'm sure big mom's fight with kid and law won't come to a conclusion ..

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Something will make her go back

dusky acorn
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Maybe, but if Big Mom is going to leave on her own terms, it should be sometime soon

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She's not just going to go once things start looking like the alliance will win. Big Mom running away from an allied victory on Kaido, who she was allied to will look pretty bad for her reputation

cedar sinew
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Np lol. On a different note, what do you think about my voat theory after the official tl came out. I haven’t had the chance to discuss it but the wording changed a lot, was hoping it wouldn’t. Do you still believe in it?

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I don't recall specifics about what the official translation changed but I don't remember raising any eyebrows whilst reading. I definitely still genuinely believe it

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I'll give the chapter a reread though

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what's the voat theory?

hazy frigate
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Can you tell me again what your theory was

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hazy frigate
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Voat - Voice of all things I think

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cedar sinew
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yeah it's that

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"how could he be speaking in the water" is a lot more direct than the tcb tl

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which hurts the theory a bit

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I stil llike it a lot though

hazy frigate
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So you are saying he is using voice of all things ..to talk

pastel summit
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Oh. Is the theory simply that Luffy was using VOAT? Then yeh.

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dusky acorn
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Yeah the "it's like" felt more in tune with the impression they'd be given akin to how Kaido was feeling at Luffy being unconcious/using coc

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Hows the raw translation looking like?

cedar sinew
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Using coc but momo hears it with voat

ancient vault
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choc bring out ur japanese skills NamiPray

hazy frigate
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Yeah it could be voat ..or also some way haki

hazy ferry
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theyre asking how they could hear his voice in the ocean

dusky acorn
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Umi no naka de.. Koe nante...!!

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I did it in bothced romanji lmao

hazy ferry
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or like how his vouce coudl travem through water/ocean

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pastel summit
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uhh, it's something like "isn't that straw hat?" "he's speaking from inside the ocean" or something.

hazy ferry
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yeah^^

crude robin
hazy frigate
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It's working like telepathy right

cedar sinew
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just read the post lol

pastel summit
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Okay well, the way I see it. It's called "voice of all things", which would include humans. If you can hear the voice of all things, naturally it should be able to be spoken as well, right? Or "spoken" I guess. Luffy is simply speaking in VOAT, and Momo can hear it. The sub hearing it, could be related to willpower or genuinely the sub being able to detect it, e.g. some kind of radio wave. which could be the case that it's like some kind of audio frequency that humans can't detect w/o being able to hear VOAT. so a sub could possibly detect it.

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pastel summit
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no. 'cause I think you need to have the capability to hear it. otherwise he could just speak to normal humans.

tacit veldt
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I'm starting to think the ocean played some kind of role in "triggering" Luffy's new telepathic ability. Momo was following his voice during the roof fight without a problem, but it seems the volume in his head was cranked up to 1000 as soon as Luffy hit the waters. If the volume was so high to make Momo's head hurt, it's not a surprise the submarine heard him too

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ONE PIECE FINAL WAR THEORY

We know about the big war soon to come but... what will be peoples transportation? Specifically Luffys allies, I think Water 7 would be the perfect way for transportation considering it's a floating island kinda like thriller bark. How they'll sail the seas recruiting all who would be willing to help luffy and his crew and them being able to reach marineford or mariejoa idk which one soon. Considering Akoji said Luffy and his crew where getting closer to navy headquarters.

This is my first time doing a actually theory i guess some feedback on how it was would be nice.

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I still think the third rebuttal is what makes it definitely not Blackbeard or Luffy though

modest skiff
# dusky acorn I don't think so, I would highly doubt it. Which as Mai said is one of the bigge...

I think Kid either has something or knows something which made him confident against Shanks. Since he's hot headed and impatient, he shot his shot too early and it didn't go how he wanted it to. It was threatening enough that Kid managed to get away (something which we know should be nearly impossible, given Shanks crew's strength) but somehow not reliable enough such that he was able to take out Shanks? Or maybe he simply underestimated Shanks. Either way, I think Kid has a secret that he thought would give him the edge against Shanks. It didn't work out, but Shanks was like "holy shit I did not know Kid knew about _"

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And I think its possible whatever Kid has/knows is a type of knowledge that is actually still very rare, perhaps something the yonkos don't currently have/know other than maybe shanks

worn portal
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shanks is related to imu or is imu

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I'm trying to think if it is possible that Kid's power awakening (rough prediction: makes everything magnetic?) would be somehow world-threatening, making Shanks talk to gorosei. I guess if Kid was able to magnetically lift islands, that would be a big deal. So maybe Kid like threw an island at Shanks' ship, lol. I think you have a good theory and it is fun to think about @dusky acorn

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pure raven
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# runic osprey He is but the thing is i dont believe kids intentions are really bad he just has...

I believe in the same vein that Shanks is sort of waiting to see what will happen/occur. I genuinely believe that shanks knows where Laugh Tale is and likely knows about the prophecy and war that's coming and has the forsight to try and turn things as favorably as possible. I don't believe the fact that Oden believed that the greatest event that was mentioned on Laugh Tale by Joy Boy and this great grand scale war are two separate events. The timing is too on the nose.

modest skiff
pure raven
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I think Shanks has more reverence to him.

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Mainly because beyond whitebeard he's probably the most reasonable to deal with

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He doesn't seem to stir up unnecessary conflict nor force his will over a large populace in an extremely unreasonable manner nor care to oppress any of them.

modest skiff
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true

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I still just get the scent he's got power to back it up

pure raven
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He absolutely does

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I genuinely believe in the event that the gorosei demanded the capture of Shanks

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that Shanks could legitimately fight each of them to a standstill or confidently enough walk out and that's not a sort of battle they're willing to take either because Shanks is that powerful or tactically that may mean making enemies of larger forces that the marines aren't confident enough to handle at the moment

modest skiff
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Agreed. The cost of taking out shanks basically just not worth it

pure raven
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but yea; I genuinely do believe that the grand war that's coming and the event that was mentioned on Laugh Tale and why Roger came too early wasn't a coincidence. This is like multiple tsunamis all converging at one point and no one knows what'll happen on the otherside

runic osprey
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modest skiff
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I think he just said "nah, I'll go on my own"

runic osprey
ember trench
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He never really promised he would go he just said if he was going to it would be on his own ship

runic osprey
ember trench
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Nah not a promise. He never said he would go. Just that if they were going to go it would be on their own ship

runic osprey
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Cause i think roger wanted yo experience it with his whole crew and he would feel bad if shanks didnt witness it

ember trench
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If is the thing

runic osprey
ember trench
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Are you sure about that?

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There’s not much of a promise here. Just that they’ll take their own ship to Laugh Tale on their own journey if they’re ever going to go at all.

runic osprey
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Well i found a other one

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I cant send a picture

ember trench
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Well this is official

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Anything else is probably a bad translation

runic osprey
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Oh okay i was wrong then

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Cause i read the one that said
That he should not worry about buggy
One day we’ll sail there with our own ship

pastel summit
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both of them already vowed to go their separate ways basically anyway. so it's more like if either of us really wants to go, we'll go with our own crews or w/e.

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buggy rarely shows any kind of desire for pirate king outside of reputation. I don't think he cares about reach laugh tale at all. Shanks, unclear if he's gone or plans to go.

ancient vault
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So shanks is potentially the real hidden PK RogerLaugh

runic osprey
pure raven
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in relation with eachother anyway

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solid hound
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Hey all, I've been rereading One Piece from the beginning for a podcast i'm doing, and I'm up to vol 15, and I stumbled on a strange (in retrospect) conversation between Luffy and Sanji about people who "don't sleep", in Ch 134 specifically. I can't really bring it up with the folks I'm recording with, as many of them are brand new to OP, but it caught my eye because vol 15 is also the first time we hear the name "Blackbeard" so I wanted to see some opinions here.

My full thoughts are in a twitter thread here, so I don't clog up this channel:
https://twitter.com/t_p_crow/status/1413514397809483782?s=20

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Woops never mind, missed the first image lol

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Oars was found in a snow area, that's one of the only other snow areas we know of, other than the north and south pole. Either way, I definitely like the idea that BB is from an ice world. I don't remember many people pointing that out in recent BB theory discussions

solid hound
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Yeah, i'm wondering if the "snow country" is the part of the story Luffy's misremembering in his head. Like, he remembers Shanks telling him something about "people who don't sleep" a long time ago

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could also be that where we see BB picked up by WB isn't where he's "from", and he just wandered there

modest skiff
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Yeah I would say 0% chance BB was born where he was found

teal bay
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Same

modest skiff
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We have every reason to think BB set himself up to be picked up by WB specifically to get the yami yami

solid hound
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true

modest skiff
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Chopper Island
South/North Pole
Vegapunk island
Oars ice place thing

Any other ice worlds I am missing?

amber oar
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Swallow Island?

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wait, not Swallow. Minion. Where the Corazón flashback ended

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half of Punk Hazard but due to unnatural reasons

Ringo too

modest skiff
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Alright so then I'm gonna place my bet on BB is from the south pole

amber oar
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Ah, the Teach is from a snowy place theory again?

solid hound
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I hadn't heard it, but now that I'm doing some googling it DOES appear to be all over the place, haha

amber oar
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there's no evidence of that. Luffy's comment about people not sleeping in snowy places was debunked right in Drum.

The island Teach was picked from isn't snowy. Granted he may not be from there but for now we have no reason to think that.

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solid hound
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right right, I mentioned that in the twitter thread. It just caught my eye specifically because Luffy says he "heard it a long time ago in a village tavern", pretty directly linking it to Shanks, who does also connect back to BB

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and to have it come up when we're first introduced to the concept of BB feels like a nice little circle, though I may be reading into it too much

modest skiff
solid hound
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Like, while running with Sanji luffy suddenly remembers this story he heard from Shanks about a snowy country where people don't sleep, and at roughly the same time Usopp and Vivi are learning from Dalton about Blackbeard's crew ransacking Drum. Feels deliberately placed to me, in retrospect now

hybrid juniper
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Good point

modest skiff
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So many things about BB indicate he's had this plan for like 90 billion years lol. I really just can't buy the idea that BB was actually born where he was found. In order to accept that assumption, we would need to also accept that BB was some runt of an orphan, truly a little ignorant weakling, and I don't buy that

sand sail
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You don't need to accept that at all. Whitebeard was also an orphan, and look what he accomplished.

solid hound
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have we ever heard anything about what Blackbeard was even doing in Drum at the time? He wouldn't already be hunting Luffy, right? I can't recall

modest skiff
# sand sail You don't need to accept that at all. Whitebeard was also an orphan, and look wh...

Don't get me wrong, no one should be bothered by what I think. I'm just some dude just like the rest of us lol. I'm not trying to be combative, just saying I'm not convinced yet. The difference is WB doesn't have this lingering sneaky/subterfuge theme throughout his whole development. It all seems to imply BB has had some grand master plan all along, so for him to just so happen to be found by WB, just feels too coincidental. An orphan can grow up to be great. That's not what I am disagreeing with. I'm just saying that BB has so many other signs of a long-running plan that I am left to believe joining WB was a part of his grand scheme

sand sail
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Oh, it was totally coincidental that Whitebeard found him

runic osprey
sand sail
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An act of fate, Blackbeard would probably call it. But yes, joining Whitebeard was in fact the first step in his plan, what you're asserting here was already established as fact years ago LUL

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Blackbeard tells Ace that he joined Whitebeard's crew and laid low for over 20 years because he felt that it was the best chance he possibly had at getting the Yami Yami, which he'd already known about and studied in such detail that he had it completely memorized for years by the time Thatch found it

modest skiff
sand sail
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Sure it does, that's why I called it an act of fate

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Whitebeard running into Blackbeard on that island was complete chance

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He didn't plan that, lol. What he planned was getting the Yami Yami, and just like he's does for the past two and a half years or so, he took a really great opportunity at it as soon as he found one

modest skiff
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I think I am probably just misunderstanding you

sand sail
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Nope, that's not what the plan was. The plan was just getting the Yami Yami, I'm saying Whitebeard arriving was total chance and Blackbeard saw that as his opportunity to take the best chance possible of finding the fruit

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By sailing with the strongest crew in the world

modest skiff
solid hound
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because he's a schemer AND an opportunist, it's tricky to pinpoint which is which with him, haha

sand sail
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If he wanted to get to Whitebeard, he would've had no way of doing it back then, and landing on the island would've just been a great stroke of fate for him

runic osprey
sand sail
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Even if Whitebeard were like the one crew he really wanted to go with for his chance before meeting them

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Oh he wanted to kill Whitebeard with it, but not while on the ship or anything

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He knew he had no chance of that lol

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solid hound
modest skiff
sand sail
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He's barely capable of pulling off something like that by plan now, I really doubt he was doing it as a kid

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A possibility sure, but I dunno

modest skiff
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Yeah, I don’t really know either way so I won’t pretend to think I’m right

sand sail
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The big reason I would deny it is even now he's only been pulling things off because he's been getting lucky

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So Whitebeard just happening to show up on the island would make more sense with his general demeanor tbh

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solid hound
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see, I assume that still means Shanks told him

sand sail
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Lmao, I never noticed the "from a guy in a bar" bit, hahah

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Yeah exactly

modest skiff
sand sail
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Or, someone in the Red Haired pirates

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Well, his strength is his patience and ability to snatch an opportunity as soon as he sees it. His weakness is in the actual planning itself

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For example, to become an Emperor, he barely actually plans any of it and for the most part is (relatively speaking) handed everything he needs

modest skiff
sand sail
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It was purely for recruiting yeh

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Wanted to grab some nasty, powerful pirates from level 6

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And made out with a Shiryu bonus, lol

ancient vault
# solid hound see, I assume that still means Shanks told him

ah I read the last part fo ur thread now. Well ig misremembering is an option and the official translation saying "from a long time ago" just supports it coming from shanks hmm
Did you have an idea yet what the connection would be between teach and snow?

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But they are the only 2 lucky ones

solid hound
# ancient vault ah I read the last part fo ur thread now. Well ig misremembering is an option an...

Not really, wasn’t sure what to make of it, wanted to hear other peoples thoughts. Since I’ve started googling around today on this I’ve seen it postulated that maybe BB was a vegapunk experiment subject a la the kids with Ceasar, or even with MADs (now that we’ve heard about them), and that’s why he doesn’t sleep/his body is “different or strange”

…i do not subscribe to this, haha

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That new admiral, is it that he hasn't slept for a long time or he hasn't eaten for a long time? I forgot

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cedar sinew
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eaten

modest skiff
# solid hound Not really, wasn’t sure what to make of it, wanted to hear other peoples thought...

One thing to consider: Cesar used an ice island to hide a bunch of secret genetic experiments. Saying there are people from ice worlds who don't sleep sounds like one way to say "there's a laboratory that makes cyborgs who don't need to sleep".

But the other part of me believes there is a unique race of people that lives in either North/South pole, which is why they introduce the idea with Buggy/Shanks debate on which is colder

solid hound
modest skiff
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Wait a sec, I wonder if that means Roger went to both the North and South poles

pure raven
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What are you guys thoughts on Blackbeard having his ship named after Xebec? Does he have some relation

modest skiff
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I think BB's goal is to do whatever Xebec wanted to do. I think Xebec wanted to kill all CD and had a way to do it but it would kill tons of innocent people too. So BB is trying to do whatever Xebec was trying to do, perhaps with improvements @pure raven

solid hound
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if I remember, it's specifically "The Saber of Xebec", so yeah, I'd say he has very specific thoughts and feelings about Xebec, haha

pure raven
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I saw some theories flying around that he was his son, but idk if that could be true? Wb found him on a random island right?