manga-theories

[ember trench]

Yes

[visual merlin]

not coby, someone else though sure

[rigid wadi]

Still, imo an admiral would be needed to stop a 3 haki user with OP fruit and her strength lol

[visual merlin]

as long as she doesn't have coating, having all 3 hakis isn't a big deal

a few vice admirals depending on which could probably take her

but I'd like it if fuji was sent to her

[glacial knot]

I'm not sold on Carrot

I mean, she wouldn't be the most surprising recruitment, we got Brooke for that

But at this point? Eh

[proud crystal]

tbf if you found a lonely skeleton musician youd wanna keep him around too
thats too cool to leave

[glacial knot]

Man, am I glad, you kidding?

[rigid wadi]

Brook moment was like:

Luffy: "Oh, so you are a living skeleton and makes bad jokes about being dead ? Be my nakama"

Brook: "Ok"

And people complains about Yamato for only meeting Luffy xd

[visual merlin]

in his defense he had more interaction by the end of the arc

a lot more

[glacial knot]

NGL, I felt like they focused waaay too much on him after they got him, his jokes were so forced and overplayed, but then, man, I love him now that the spotlight is off of him

[proud crystal]

a better side than focus character

[glacial knot]

I wonder what Brook's awakening is

[visual merlin]

might not have one

[glacial knot]

That's possible?

Thought all DF users had one

[visual merlin]

Doffy says its rare and that some have it, so that implies some don't

well the rare part just outright says it

[proud crystal]

does that mean it's about the potential of the fruits themselves, or about the potential of the people wielding them?

[visual merlin]

the fruit has to have the potential to awaken in the first place

and then you also need the wielder to achieve it

[pure raven]

Law Awakening won't make much sense

[autumn vapor]

Nah he said about 10 should do

[proud crystal]

id pay to see a giraffe giraffe awakening though

[autumn vapor]

Is the theory about the Gorosei all having achieved immortality plausible? (via the Ope Ope no Mi)

[autumn vapor]

🦒

[trim flicker]

Would zoro beat fujitorah rn?

[visual merlin]

no

[trim flicker]

Is it close

[autumn vapor]

No

[visual merlin]

not really no

[trim flicker]

Ty

Will luffy be stronger than garp by the end of wano?

[proud crystal]

possibly? i can see it theoretically happening, via feeding the fruit to multiple people and forcing them to sacrifice themselves for the five old dudes
and people will do anything to keep hold of power...
but i don't think there's any hint of them being out of the ordinary, abilities wise

[visual merlin]

already is

[trim flicker]

Fr

[autumn vapor]

ig he means prime garp..

[trim flicker]

Like is this when luffy becomes full Roger level or is there still a lot more growth to be had before the

[autumn vapor]

But the fruit grants Youth right? But they all boomers.

[visual merlin]

if you mean prime garp then no I don't think so, but he'd be very close

[trim flicker]

Could mean age freeze

[visual merlin]

for the record though, I don't think garp was on roger's level

so he'd still have a bit to go

[proud crystal]

I have no idea. lemme go check the wiki
EDIT: yeah, wiki says eternal youth, not just immortality. so probably not. unless it's relative to how old you were when you were given the ability and they were obscenely old?

[rigid wadi]

Garp literally stopped Rocks pirates with Roger. Those are just too big names for Luffy to be on that lvl

[grizzled fog]

I’m quite certain he’s surpassed current Garp. But yea he probably has a little bit to go before reaching Prime Garp. Not all that far off though

[rapid oar]

well he is only 19 and garp looks mid 40s in his prime

[rigid wadi]

If he beats Kaido 1 vs 1, he will be close, but we have yet to see that

And still, Kaido is stated that he has already lost like 7 times to Marine and other Yonkos, defeating Kaido is not the top

[weary solar]

but didnt they brought the whole crew vs rocks, so prime silvers and copper wil be there too

[weary cliff]

Any victory Luffy achieves here will have an asterisk as far as being considered a 1v1. Which is a good thing, because if Luffy took the title of world's strongest at this point, where would we be going forward?

[rigid wadi]

1 vs 1 after taking tons of dmg vs Supernovas xD And still, I do think Yamato will help him, same as Kid is gonna have Law's help

[formal igloo]

Having luffy be assisted against kaido is just sad, specialy after wanting to go against yonkos soo bad, 1v1 against kaido or simply i hope luffy lose again

If luffy cant take kaido 1v1 after everything he said, then i really feel like ill lose respect for our future pirate king

[tribal belfry]

if he can tho, he would be way too OP. I think it's too soon for him to be able to beat the world's strongest creature in a 1 v 1

and I think it's too much of a shift for him to go from beating ppl like Doflamingo and Katakuri to one of the strongest yonkos

[formal igloo]

Not really, were in the new world now, he took down doflamingo and katakuri, its time for the next level and my god wano arc is long, luffy should manage somehow to defeat a yonko, imagine not being able to ? Then why the hell is he trying to overcome that ? Luffy will defeat kaido, its not too soon for him, just like rayleigh said, Rise above it

If luffy needs help from people weaker than him like yamato, then luffy also needed help in all his previous fights, i say no, luffy will beat kaido 1v1, thats what will make big mom, the world goverment and BB understand that luffy is not a hopeless brat and start taking him seriously

[tribal belfry]

but Kaido is one of the strongest, so at that point Luffy might as well find the one piece in the next arc. He has def gotten stronger but I dont think he's ready to defeat the strongets creature in the world yet

[formal igloo]

Defeating kaido, dosnt mean he can just go and get One Piece, there will be bigger obstacles, yes the world strongest creature, but just cauze he is the world strongest creature dosnt mean he will never be beaten, its luffy’s biggest moment to be honest

[weary cliff]

Luffy can't beat Kaido 1v1 because like 15 other people have already fought Kaido during the raid. Besides that though, if he can actually get the finishing move it that's still a massive jump in notoriety for Luffy

[formal igloo]

Biggest jump ? How many times luffy had a jump in power ? Think about it

After the time skip, start counting how strong luffy gotten up to now, many jumps on power

[white tartan]

hello? the world government def take him seriously. he doesn't have a 1.5 BILLION bounty for nothing. Also, there is no way luffy can 1 v 1 Kaido. Not only have multiple people already fought Kaido, Luffy just isnt strong enough.

[weary cliff]

I didnt say biggest jump or anything about a power jump lol

[formal igloo]

Not as seriously as a yonko yet, just not yet

[white tartan]

well cause he isnt there yet. he just learned conquerors coating which all the other yonko most likely knew.

yeah facts im legit rereading impel down rt now and luffy was 100% garunteed to die if he didnt have help

[formal igloo]

Yes true, but also luffy rapid power growth is insane as hell, thats why i have hopes of him defeating kaido 1v1

[tribal belfry]

Luffy beating kaido would just be an insane amount of plot armor thrown at him

maybe if he gets a temporary buff like he did at Thriller bark I could see it as possible

[weary cliff]

Luffy will beat Kaido but you're ignoring the fact that its already not a 1v1 fight

[white tartan]

this

[formal igloo]

when i say 1v1, i mean at the very end, it will be luffy and kaido alone, for the last time

[tribal belfry]

There's a rlly big chance that Kaido will die in wano. Luffy has not killed anyone so I'm guessing Momo or Zoro will land the finishing blow

[white tartan]

i mean in the end, luffy will probably deliver the final blow after fighting kaido by himself for a bit but thats just not a 1v1

i wish zoro would kill kaido though...

[formal igloo]

others helped him already, and yamato is going to do so next chapter, he did get help, but the end of the fight should be a 1v1, that will be fair

[white tartan]

yeah ok

i sorta get that

[weary cliff]

Count on it. And then he gets most of the credit, with a massive bounty to reflect it

[formal igloo]

i dont think weve seen the last of zoro yet, most likely he will recover and i see him joining law and kid against big mom

[tribal belfry]

I think Law and Kidd can handle her themselves

this is gonna be their time to shine and catch up to Luffy

[white tartan]

im completely clueless on what will happen to zoro honestly

[white tartan]

IM LOOKING AT YOU KIDD

[formal igloo]

looool yes i agree, true

[tribal belfry]

Kidd prolly gonna awaken his df or do smtn crazy with COC

[weary cliff]

Right? Clearly he's got something to do, but I don't think its feasible for chopper to get him from his crucified state to the level of fighting King or even a tobiroppo you know

[formal igloo]

its not really a 1v1 soo far, but in the end it will be him and kaido alone, even tho kaido hopefuly will be weakend by yamato

[white tartan]

yeah i mean maybe marco + chopper but even that seems like a huge stretch

[formal igloo]

but honestly guys, lets say yamato didnt really do anything to kaido but stalling, and luffy returns for a rematch, i would still call it a fair 1v1

kaido is not in a bad shape at all honestly

[white tartan]

yeah its sorta scary

[formal igloo]

indeed, its Kaido after all ...i still didnt see him taking real damage .....

when you see the attacks thrown at him, you feel like Oh shit thats a big hit, but nope, mofo stands back, defeat who attacked him or somthing and laugh about it

aye man

[weary cliff]

Kaido is a tank, but the fights have been a drain on him. Even if the scabbards only got that one strike, the supernovas did their share of internal damage and Zoro even made a new wound. So it's all been building up

[tribal belfry]

I think it'd be rllly fitting to have enma land the final blow to Kaido

[formal igloo]

i mean we had soo much hope in Enma, but it gave kaido a wound that will leave a scar, its a great feat for zoro, but i want zoro to do more than that honestly

i hope yamato stops saying she is oden after wano is saved.... i really really hope so

[tribal belfry]

I think Momo using his dads sword or Zoro using Enma would be a great way to finish off kaido, showing that Oden's efforts were not in vain at the end

[formal igloo]

things i want to see after wano
Sanji meeting yamato and notice the side boobs
Brook ask for yamato's panties
and Carrot joining the strawhats and garichu's zoro and sanji

haha

[formal igloo]

Momo is soo young that the only good thing he can do is use the voice of all things and motivate Samurai of Wano, other than that he is just a Kid that cant do anything else

[tribal belfry]

Same +
Tama joining strawhats
Jimbe whooping someone
Zoro doing smtn insane
Carrot getting a buff before joining strawhats
new yonko

[mild kite]

Carrot better keep her furry ass away from my Zoro

[formal igloo]

ya that would be soo cool

[tribal belfry]

I feel like all that needs to happen in wano

[formal igloo]

hey thats not bad !!

😄 haha

ok my Mihawk fanboy switch is On now
what do you think happend with Mihawk and the 9 battleships sent to him ? whos on them ? fujitora since he is swordsman ? why did Mihawk wait there knowing they are coming ? lets see

thoughts

[tribal belfry]

Mihawk wanna have some fun

[mild kite]

he destroys them all and the vice admirals in them

[formal igloo]

well said

[tribal belfry]

Fuji gonna gain some respect after having a good battle with mihawk

rivals

[formal igloo]

dont think he is a match for mihawk, not in the slightest...

[tribal belfry]

he's an admiral so he can def do stuff

[mild kite]

After Mihawk destroys the battleships, he chills around Shanks. Tht would be cool

[grizzled fog]

Depends on who is sent. Most likely there’s an admiral and the ssg. So mihawk is definitely in trouble

[formal igloo]

Mihawk already defeated all the worthy challengers in the past and shanks was the only one giving him a nice challenge, and after losing his arm to luffy Mihawk lost interest...
maybe just maybe that mihawk finds fujitora a worthy opponent and have a feeling they will send him to him, hopefuly

after all weve seen nothing of fujitora since the reverie, perhaps he is on his way to mihawk on one of the battleships

[tribal belfry]

I think mihawk will def beat fuji but fuji will still give him a good run for his money

fuji gotta do smtn to scale up to kizaru since they both are admirals

[mild kite]

The fact that fuji is an admiral already means he has "scaled up" to kizaru's level

[tribal belfry]

but he hasn't had enough feats to prove that to readers

[formal igloo]

mihawk against vista a commander of whitebeard, and vista was famous already, yet mihawk still playing with him and out of respect he didnt finish him right then, but that wont be the case for fujitora

[tribal belfry]

I'd expect fuji to be stronger than vista

[weary cliff]

No such thing as a yonko post Wano. The defeat of Kaido/BM and abolition of warlords destroys the old balance

[mild kite]

The fact that Fujis an admiral IS the feat

[bronze palm]

Supposed to tho cuz he’s an admiral

[mild kite]

Kizaru isnt on another level compared to Fuji

[formal igloo]

if reaching a Black Blade, being called the strongest swordsman and be respected by everyone is not enough, then i dont know what is

[tribal belfry]

the abolish of warlords doesnt mean yonko have to end. There could be a new gen of yonko.

[formal igloo]

agree

[tribal belfry]

I think the big 3 supernovas and someone else will be part of new gen of yonko

[weary cliff]

There will be big names in the new world, but its not the same as yonko. The emperors were basically in a stalemate just hoarding territory. The current age is going to be chaotic from here on out

[tribal belfry]

Strongest Pirate Crews rn:

Kaido
Big Mom
BB
Shanks
Luffy
Croc(maybe)
Boa
Law
Kidd

so there's a pretty slim number of big names out there rn (I might've missed a few)

[formal igloo]

Crocodile, nothing about him since the War, i wonder where he is and what he is doing with everything happening in the world right now

he must have big plans

[visual plinth]

yea I don't think the yonko will really be a thing after wano or whenever BM and Kaido get defeated it's all gonna be a domino affect that will lead the world into chaos. First the abolishment of the seven in warlords then the downfall of the yonko all u have left is the WG. This will the tip the balance in WG's favour leading into the big final war

[true flame]

bege lowkey deserves up there

[tribal belfry]

hmm yea ig Bege and Buggy could be added

[formal igloo]

indeed

[tribal belfry]

they might have a new set of roles like "pirate king candidates" or smtn similare

[true flame]

esp if bb and shanks clash simultaneously, which I think is not too unlikely

[tribal belfry]

I could see smtn happening with shanks ( getting defeated by BB or joining world gov) which would leave BB and then the new supernova trio as the yonko

[weary cliff]

Something like that, yeah

[proud crystal]

what would happen if a normal human ate a rumble ball?

[tribal belfry]

hmm prolly no power up but they would feel the side effects

[weary cliff]

Perhaps indigestion. Sounds like an SBS question

[pure raven]

how about if lucci ate one tbh

[tribal belfry]

uh well it would be a strong buff for sure

[pure raven]

Why did corazon know the meaning of the “D” in Laws name? Is it because he was a marine or because he was a celestial dragon?

[queen arrow]

Corazon didn't really "know" the meaning, but yes, since he was a celestial dragon he heard things about the Ds

he brings it up as a kind of boogeyman

[pure raven]

Ah I see

[queen arrow]

the reason he gets riled up and goes to talk with Law and get him to leave is that he knows that Doflamingo also knows this, and would kill him for it

[pure raven]

Wow

So among the nobles this is common knowledge I guess

[queen arrow]

i don't think they know the full truth, just that they shouldn't like Ds

[pure raven]

Hmm.. who does know the full truth (like besides probably like Rayleigh and Kureha)

[queen arrow]

the only people i think know the truth are the 5 Elders, and the former roger pirates

[warm hollow]

Yeah, assuming Shanks is Im, that's true

[modest skiff]

Not sure about nobles but I think CDs

[young mica]

could buggy awaken his devil fruit and chop people up like law

[pure raven]

Buggy will find One Piece but it's not gold so he will throw it away

[dusky acorn]

Perhaps, but we don't know the exact nature of how awakenings for Paramecias like Buggy are for sure

Also, let's discuss theoreticals on Buggy without making joke theories btw

[dapper mica]

No, he wont realise its the one piece and give the ‘useless’ treasure to Luffy, who discovers that the treasure is the secret to the real one piece

Also I think the one piece might be really ironically named which is why Roger laughed and why Oda said no one has guessed what it is yet

[upbeat cedar]

New here, just finally caught up with the show and manga ! Do y’all think luffy is joyboy when kaido mentioned it’s not him in 1014?

[teal nymph]

u guys remember when luffy lost 10 -15 years of his lifespan in impel down . is going to play any role in future or is just forgotten ?

coz they made it seem like a big deal at that time

[valid dagger]

@upbeat cedar he say that becouse he think he won

[reef nest]

His lifespan thing was mentioned at times during pre ts, Enies Lobby too. It should lead to some sort of plotline

[valid dagger]

Life span there and also gear second when he start to use it

[upbeat cedar]

Also does he use the voice of all things when he’s in the ocean or how does momo and everyone else hear him

[valid dagger]

@upbeat cedar maybe conqueror's haki with that wr saw he can use it even when

[reef nest]

Yeah it was Vague, people are questioning if it's indeed Luffy since Momo once screamed "who are you!?"

[upbeat cedar]

Yea but later, ppl were like isn’t that mugiwara

[valid dagger]

People on law submarine?

[teal nymph]

the fact that law's crew heard the voice is what is causing problems

[valid dagger]

Maybe they saw him falling?

[reef nest]

Nah they mentioned hearing his voices

[valid dagger]

Maybe is conqueror's haki, remember when Kaido first time K. O. Him

We don't know almost anything about CH and what can do

[teal nymph]

well if it was CH then how come luffy never used it on other ppl till now and only on sea kings ?

[valid dagger]

He didn't coat himself until now too :D first time for everything

[teal nymph]

so ur r saying he just randomly used CH to send messages while unconscious ? (without prior knowledge ?)

[valid dagger]

He k. O. 2 of Kaido people

[reef nest]

But it wasn't anything about voice

[valid dagger]

Without knowing about it

[reef nest]

It was still voice of all things or something about it, that concept was introduced for a reason

[scenic thicket]

Blackbeards dumb asf i bet if he just snuck a bite of tht devil fruit instead of killing his commander nothing tht serious would have happened

[valid dagger]

Well i doubt they can hear maybe sonar on submarine

[teal nymph]

i agree but law's crew hearing it is weird

[reef nest]

Yeah hopefully that gets explained, maybe just Submarine things who knows.

[teal nymph]

bro how do u use sonar to hear voice ?

[upbeat cedar]

Hahahah lmfao

[valid dagger]

U can hear whales

Not sonar u know what i meant, English not my language

[upbeat cedar]

Do y’all think law is gonna use the open ope ability on Luffy or someone else?

[valid dagger]

Luffy lifespan to short so i guess it would be on him

2x ivankov and gear 2 in start

[grizzled fog]

No one

[valid dagger]

@grizzled fog i doubt that mention it and that won't be used

[grizzled fog]

It was mentioned because someone else already has it most likely

Which makes far more sense than law ever using it

[valid dagger]

Ye that's a chance too, that was in past

[upbeat cedar]

Do y’all think shanks is a son of a celestial dragon?

[reef nest]

No

[valid dagger]

Did they said who has ope ope before law?

[reef nest]

No

[valid dagger]

That was i though

Do you think shanks will see luffy

[reef nest]

Why not, it's a genuine plotline that they are meeting again. Maybe during Elbaf like it's theorized.

[valid dagger]

I think he will die before that

[reef nest]

Yeah that's not impossible either

[valid dagger]

Also i think that will enrage luffy and in fight with BB red line will be destroyed by gura gura no mi power

[nocturne bison]

I dont think bb is the one gonna destroy the red line

[rigid wadi]

Was a random doctor

[fathom matrix]

from what I know about the Ope Ope No Mi's abilities, is that at the cost of the user's life it makes your eternally young, so in a sense you can live forever.

BUT, my guess is, because of how screwed up Luffy's body is, it's not eternal youth will fix his problems, it's that he screwed up his body so much so, that it reduced his lifespan, and those injuries messed up his life expectancy. Like, I doubt eternal youth will fix all those Ivankov injections, gear second pumps, magma fists, stabs, loses of blood, and stuff.

Injuries are still injuries, it just means that if you take care of your body, you can live forever as you are now, BUT presumably if you keep screwing up or messing with your body, it will break down and you still suffer from the effects.

[amber oar]

A lot of people seem to think that.

They wrong tho

for what Blueberg said, also because Luffy would absolutely hate it and couldn't live with that burden.

[lost moat]

If anything I can see Law sacrificing his life for one of the other straw hats or even just for Monosuke tbh.

[amber oar]

because any of them would be ok with that right

[dark palm]

seems more that the power was mentioned to foreshadow the existence of a person who had the operation done to them in the past

and is still alive

potentially Imu

[visual merlin]

after this as well, and him in wano finding something to do with his life, I can't see him giving anyone that surgery

he doesn't really have anyone that close to him anyway

[amber oar]

small observation - is the official translation so badly centered?

I mean...

[dark palm]

seems like a scan issue

as in, the bubbles encroached on the margin and something went awry

no other reason I can think of, the official has very clean typesetting for obvious reasons

[valid dagger]

@fathom matrix that's what i wanted to say, he got to much injuries and he was just get injection to feell better like me on white horse i am bad but i feell dine

[fathom matrix]

I honestly see Law parting ways for a bit after Wano, but he may return with some more information later on in a new arc

[visual merlin]

I see him parting ways with the strawhats as well

they'll still be allies, but won't be traveling with one another

[fathom matrix]

I see Luffy saying "HEY TRAFFY! ARE WE GOI-" but Law stops him, says he needs to do other stuff, says the alliance reached it's goal of taking down Kaido, BUT they defeated Big Mom as a bonus.

Law might tell Luffy his real name and say "have you really not been thinking about the D in your name, has it ever occured to you why your brother and Blackbeard had it? You don't but, someone I knew died for that letter in my name" and explains that he needs to go off and find it's meaning.#

Law won't be a dick and say "bye" and go, but he may have some other words saying that he's subverted any expectations he had, maybe even saying he can become pirate king maybe.

[valid dagger]

Law purpose is not to become PK he never say he want that, he have ope ope amd we know that purpose, law only wanted to take mingo and Kaido with him so i guess he will die before wano end

Glad to have u guys i only know 1person who watch OP

[visual merlin]

he found a purpose already

[valid dagger]

But h3 can do that only with strawhats, actually Robin

[visual merlin]

he doesn't need the strawhats for that technically, there are other ways to find things out

worst case scenario that means he continues to travel with the strawhats

[nocturne bison]

Is oden the last kozuki member that can read and write on poneglyphs?

[halcyon charm]

yea, unless there is something about it in his journal which i doubt

or if there is another secret kozuki clan member, which i also doubt

[abstract tangle]

so do you guys think the red line blowing up theory is possible or larp?

[weak arrow]

It's the most likely outcome in my opinion.

[pure raven]

Honestly all the speculation that supports it makes a lot of sense

Fishman island being underneath the redline in Mariejoise
Crocus and Rayleigh being at their respective positions
A lot of it is of course speculative but it's quite intriguing

[weary cliff]

Using Noah to bring up the Fishmen, and then destroying the red line just checks too many boxes that we know are going to happen for it to not be the case. In that action you satisfy Sharley's prophecy, part of Jinbei's dream, Luffy/Joyboy's promise, and lead to the creation of all blue.

The main point detractors use that I've seen is it's too obvious. To challenge that, I say circumventing this easy set up Oda made for himself and fulfill all those aforementioned ways separately may be too convoluted. Ultimately, I expect there to be some wrinkles in the actual execution of this theory, but the outcome will be the same

[pure raven]

I don't think it's too obvious but having the main character destroy an actual continent is astounding

the only actual detracting argument is that Oda stated that the one piece is an actual thing and it's not something akin to "The friends we find along the way"; Oda's made an actual treasure which sort of implies to me that it is an actual object

[sturdy hawk]

We know that the one piece is joy boy's story

[waxen dust]

Could just be a story book written by Joyboy

[split hornet]

His story is a part of it or a key

[modest skiff]

No we do not know that

[queen arrow]

we pretty much do know that

[weary cliff]

Oh you're talking about all blue being the one piece. I dont take idea that far either

[modest skiff]

Ehhh I wouldn’t say we pretty much know anything about the one piece. I think you guys are having too easy a time putting easy pieces together. I don’t think Oda is making it so easy

[pure raven]

What did Roger say about the one piece?

[queen arrow]

that it was a tale full of laughs

[modest skiff]

And I would also say “pretty much”knowing something in a show like one piece isn’t knowing anything since there are plenty of switcharoos

[queen arrow]

there's no tiptoeing around the fact that Roger literally says that the treasure Joyboy left behind is a tale full of laughs

[modest skiff]

He’s not clear that the only component of the one piece is a story. The fact that he even says he was too early implies there’s more to it than that. I think we don’t have enough info to make any statement about what the entirety of the one piece is. The closest we can come is trying to predict components or pieces

[modest skiff]

It’s not clear to me this is all of it, but clearly he said that

[ember trench]

It’s the contents of the story that are important

[sturdy hawk]

Roger goes to laugh tale
Treasure is in laugh tale
Roger laughs and talks aboout joy boy's tale and names it "laugh TALE"

I wonder what this means

[weary cliff]

I guess that means there's a funny story at Laughtale. Doesn't necessarily mean there isnt more to the one piece. Especially since there's obviously more to it, seeing as how Roger came at the wrong time

[pure raven]

[pure raven]

One piece is not “the treasure was the friends we made along the way😃”

if it is I want these past 17 years back😭😭😭

[amber oar]

don't worry, there is physical reward, Oda said it

[pure raven]

Shanks in raftel, is real?

[wild veldt]

No

[rigid wadi]

Oda said in a SBS that was something physical

[queen arrow]

and?

[vapid quiver]

"something physical" refers to it not being a concept such as friendship

[queen arrow]

i don't recall him saying that in a SBS, but when he said that it was a response people asking if the One Piece was going to be "the friends we made along the way", which is a metaphor, it doesn't apply to it being a piece of text with the tale on it

[heavy nexus]

im hoping its a situation where roger pirates laughed at it, but when luffy reaches there he will have a completley different reaction

[vapid quiver]

hmm , why would you prefer that?

[heavy nexus]

interesting contrast between roger and luffy

[vapid quiver]

i guess that would be more interesting , but it wouldn't make much sense

considering the amount of parallels drawn between roger and luffy till this point

[nimble light]

do you guys think Mr. Morj knows more than us or r/OnePiece

i buy into his One Piece being the unification of the seas, theory

[tawdry bramble]

He has the same access as everyone else. That theory is a common one since it was posted on AP forever ago.

[nimble light]

oohh

[nimble light]

do you personally believe that theory

[tawdry bramble]

It makes sense to me

[pure raven]

I believe the unification of the seas and the destruction of FMI/Red line -> All Blue has something to do with the info on the final island

Another important question 🤔

What do we make of Shanks seemingly having direct correspondence with the elders?

[nimble light]

yup, it probably might be about his history (after roger)

[rapid oar]

i dont think they showed caibou in udon for no reason

hes got his part to play soon

[modest topaz]

If Yamato does join the SH, what position will she get ??

[pseudo crest]

Right hand man

[dull pumice]

Fighter? Besides do you imagine Luffy saying something like "sorry Yamato we are out of roles for you"?

[visual merlin]

dunno

[trim flicker]

This is assuming all strawhats live through wano

[visual merlin]

seems like a pretty safe assumption

[trim flicker]

Jinbe be talkin about dyin a lot

[visual merlin]

jinbe's living

when has he talked about dying here and what would he die from

[trim flicker]

No in the past pre wano he talks a lot about dying for luffy but idk what wpuld do it. Im sorta thinking the WG new weapon is gonna show up to wano and wreak havoc. That might be what kills kaido (after luffy beats him) and maybe it takes a SH

Honestly yamato is probably gonna be momonosukes new retainer (since momos her kid? Oden and such)

[visual merlin]

if he was gonna die he would've died in wci

[trim flicker]

Fair

[cerulean coyote]

he promised luffy to go wano even if he died.

[trim flicker]

Yall think yamato has yoinked rubbings of kaidos poneglyph?

[exotic escarp]

Coby is the main one there to stop boa Hancock no other big name person

[olive quail]

If Yamato did I dont see a point why unless the someone takes off with Kaido's poneglyphs before the straw hats get them

[cyan berry]

nah Koby is still just a captain

Having a captain be the strongest one they send against a Warlord and an entire island of strong warriors would be incredibly stupid, especially considering how highly the marines thought of the Warlords strength wise

[olive quail]

Yeah theres probably 1 or 2 vice admirals at the very least. Nothing in that scene made it seem like Koby was leading this either

[bronze palm]

If Boa Hancock get defeated by Coby, it’s straight up plot armor in my opinion.

[trim flicker]

I think he will at least have the non lustful thing so he could negate the medusa effect, but yeah boa is strong either way. Id like to think somehow luffy gets mentioned and they talk it out

Cobys 2 year timeskip tranformation is basically steve rogers captain america tho so idk

[queen wind]

They have the secret weapon tho

[bronze palm]

SSG?

[queen wind]

Yes

[bronze palm]

Oh

[tawdry bramble]

We all this point they only had 4 warlords to chase.

[queen wind]

Maybe it's like a seastone machine gun or some shit idk

[tawdry bramble]

They literally could have sent three admirals and the fleet admiral.

[bronze palm]

I think it's a weapon, not a seatsone because Mihawk isn't a devil fruit user.

[tawdry bramble]

Also they are ridiculous for not trapping them at a meeting first.

[queen wind]

Most wouldn't attend lol
You know the warlords

[tawdry bramble]

The 4 warlords available would.

Buggy is a government lap dog. Boa needs to protect her island. Mihawk might not care but has shown up before. Weevil needed his position for his mission

[bronze palm]

Tbh, out of those 4 warlords, Hancock is the only Warlord that keeps me interested because she's related to plot, in my own opinion.

[tawdry bramble]

Hancock is the least related to the plot

Mihawk has direct needs to be confronted.
Weevil is targeting people relevant to the current arc.
Buggy always pops back up.

[bronze palm]

I agree with that, except the Buggy Part.

[tawdry bramble]

Nothing would change in the story if Hancock never showed backed up.

Buggy’s pirate network is at least an interesting concept that could be fleshed out.

[bronze palm]

Wait, ignore what I just said.

[rapid oar]

i wonder if one piece will do something similar to boruto

[icy garnet]

I hope not

[rigid wadi]

Nah, Luffy doesn't want love, we wont get a "Two Piece" anime with his son creating tons of plot holes

[hallow sparrow]

next owner of the snow DF prolly among the SH?

[tame tendon]

On what chapter it is?

[hallow sparrow]

forgot xD its around the end of Punk Hazard

he didnt want people to miss it

ITS WAY bigger than the Sunny

[coarse river]

I just wanna put this on record that I agree to/support the recent very popular theory that says Zeus will slow down the landing of Onigashima, with or without others' help.

[hallow sparrow]

yea that thing falling is a bad news yge shockwave alone would wipe the country off clean

[weary cliff]

Those aren't snow bunnies. It's a reference to part of Japanese culture where the frothy part of choppy waves are said to look like white rabbits

[pure raven]

Imagine

[rigid wadi]

I need to know were people get those drugs that makes them get theories like that lmao

[sturdy hound]

check out this 50k word theory about how monet is still alive

#manga-theories message

[rigid wadi]

People just want her as nakama so bad

My god she is dead, let Monet rest in peace

[waxen dust]

lmao people stealing my theory LOL

[exotic escarp]

Everything in the story is driven by plot so I don't see your point there

[pure raven]

u gotta be kidding me

50k words about monet 🥱

[ancient vault]

@waxen dust tiktok stealing ur theories

[ancient vault]

ah ure already here

[waxen dust]

Next time I’m making a video and watermarking it, then ain’t no Tiktok/Viners taking my shit

[terse moat]

Bro what do you think happened to sabo?

[safe pond]

Probably got captured and is being sentenced to death or something like that

[pure raven]

I feel like that's too easy and something that's too on the nose for Oda to do

[safe pond]

We’ll find out eventually

Although I do agree that that’s too “cliche” (idk if that’s the right word). As soon as I said that I was like “eh I can’t really see Oda doing that”

[ember trench]

She’s captured and sent back to the world nobles

[pure raven]

You thought of it?

[waxen dust]

#manga-theories message

[pure raven]

Does Oda speak English?

If so, do you think he’s watching Mr Morj

[queen arrow]

i don't know, and i hope not

[tribal belfry]

lmao Oda be changing up his story everytime Mr.Morj makes a correct prediction

[queen arrow]

one piece youtubers are not worth Oda's time

[pure raven]

Tekking is a exception cuz that mf knows so much

[queen arrow]

he's not

[pure raven]

Oda be in the comments saying “bro this is stupid!!!”😭😭😭

I really think he is, I feel like he knows the feeling I get when watching one piece

[rigid wadi]

OP youtubers be like: "Monet Still alive! OP Theory" "Sanji is Uranus!OP Theory" and then just go into a 20 min video reading a ridiculous theory of Reddit

[pure raven]

Tekking has over 600 OP vids lol how

U clearly don’t watch his vids then lol

[gloomy marsh]

hes got a big imagination

[rigid wadi]

Hope he gets more vids than Chapters are in OP Manga, that's the true definiton of Capitalism

[gloomy marsh]

and seems like his mind goes at a very fast pace

[queen arrow]

i've watched Tekking's videos, and nothing he does would make him less of a waste of Oda's time

[pure raven]

@rigid wadi that’s what u worried bout? U a weirdo, he likes one piece and wants to talk about it how do u even have a problem with that lmaoo

Unrelated but: about that gigantic straw hat that Imu walks by. Who do y’all think was wearing it? bc it clearly wasn’t Roger bc he’s normal sized

[queen arrow]

Imu is just really small

[pure raven]

Everyone says joy boy rt

Yeah I’m thinking joy boy was really big atm

I thought he was a giant

Wait a sec I just watched the anime version and looked at it

So apparently the room Imu walks into is a large crypt. There are what appears to be many different little “graves”

….for what I would assume to be different Ds 🤔🤔🤔

Joy Boy Theories is on YT saying the big hat has magic in it😭🥴

[pure raven]

That’s definitely wrong because the tontatta were servants to the Donquixote family.

Also because like.. imagine bowing down to a dwarf 😭

[next hazel]

hi

[sonic plaza]

does anyone else think that Act 3 might end when Onigashima reaches Flower Capital

or maybe even falls on it for a big cliffhanger

[pure raven]

Do you think Pudding can read poneglyphs or will at some point?

[outer locust]

She prob will cause it was really built up on how big mom has a 3 eyed child

So I hope we see more of pudding

[autumn vapor]

Nah Kaido just tried so many ways to kill himself that Joyboy seems like one of the last ways that can kill him..

[wild pelican]

I have a theory that bb has 2 of his twins in his black hole and when he had a blanket on him and white beard i marine ford one of his twins came out of the black hole and took white beards fruit and then went back down + i think that black beards fruit has something that if any power goes inside the black hole the user of the fruit can use the power and bbs twin had the fruit and went into the black hole and his twin + the fruit = is considered as a power and this is all a theory

[pure raven]

Hh

[queen wind]

blackbeard didnt have a twin in the flashback
where did he suddenly appear from

[ancient vault]

it appeared in the OP magazine that blackbeard has 2 sisters

[pure raven]

Black

[pure raven]

Good .At least no one is saying that it carries joyboys will and haki similar to enma carrying odens will and haki

[junior cape]

I dont think Enma is so much carrying eden's haki, but is moreso pulling out the user's as its own. Remember what the sword smith said, "The weak cannot control it." This could mean that only suitably strong warriors (potentially just those with latent conquerors haki) could wield Enma.

Alternatively, it's just Oda making up a silly reason for why nobody's tried to use Enma

[coarse widget]

Okay I've been thinking about something related to armament haki. Mainly in the advanced variety. We have seen several characters that have had different color variations. I can recall red, blue, and purple. I'm pretty sure that other colors will come out over time and I believe that the designated colors are assigned to characters based on traits on the character.

[mental star]

Or when combined with devil fruit properties rubber red mocha blue?

[real marten]

Theories on Lufffy's devil fruit awakening.

One: turns whatever he touches into rubber

Two: Able to produce more and more rubber from his body like a producer type paramecia.

Three: He can just stretch farther

[pure raven]

I prefer only 2nd choice but similar to kata or doflfy

And 1st if oda used it in a crstuve way similar to his gear

But i cant think of any

Specially not those theory about him using rubber to bounce back

[heady cairn]

I prefer this

Will recover to his criativity, i think, I liked that

[midnight pendant]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CQWG1onFpnB/?utm_medium=share_sheet
is this fake?

[serene tinsel]

#promote-yourself

[midnight pendant]

i just read it on insta
its not my profile or anything

what if it was xebec's kid

and the way xebec gave roger his kid roger gave garp his to take care of

[pure raven]

This is what he said

[heady cairn]

The baby is Shanks, I think

[prime bluff]

I want

Spoilers

Damnnnnn

It

[solar fable]

why

[pure raven]

I personally think it is mihwak or shanks

[small pasture]

shanks is a nobody , buggy is the son o rocks d. xebec

[pure raven]

[heady cairn]

I think it really can be, because Buggy never used the name of Gol D Roger to get fame, I wouldn't be surprise if he is son of Xebec and never told anyone

[pure raven]

nah bet its gonna be riger his balls

roger

[heady cairn]

Joy boy's feet

[upbeat wasp]

So, I think kid may get a BIG upgrade. after the new sbs and seeing that his DF is magnetism. I started thinking about what insane thing could he really do with it. then I realize blood have iron in it. and seeing big mom get called a iron balloon many times. it be funny to see kid control the iron in big mom body to send her flying again and plus would make Kid a better rival for luffy again because how gear 2 and 4 work . with him speeding up his blood flow

[keen portal]

The iron molecules in our blood are not magnetically charged. And definitely not enough magnetically capable of being manipulated by a large magnet or anything.

If it was, you would be squashed like a bug during an MRI.

But again, this is Oda and fiction. So he might do whatever he wants and blood in one piece can be manipulated by magnetism or something.

[dull pumice]

Magical fruits and powers are okay, but iron blood cells which are not magnetically charged are being affected by Kidd fruit? Too unrealistic I'm dropping

[cyan berry]

@teal nymph no other series references here

[ancient vault]

Lol what is that reasoning

[deep hill]

that theory might be true but i read the same theory somewhere else so i dont think it belongs to you

[ancient vault]

its old. People have made theories on bbs sisters for a long time

[light pond]

I have watched a youtube video about blood and magnetism you will be squashed like a bug before the iron in our body can even be manipulated and you will need a super magnetic field that will squash most things around you before you can even magnet the iron in our blood since they are not magnetic to begin with if you are interested the youtuber is kyle hill he describes real world science of anime and comics

[patent sail]

Not sure what’s surprising here. This is a very popular theory that either of them got rescued during God Valley and being children of either Rocks or Celestial Dragons. Not to mention the recent SBS question Oda tried to avoid.

[pure raven]

Buggy can't be a celestial dragon
He's Buggy D. Clown

[patent sail]

Damn, I must be reading two piece then. Thanks a lot!

[ancient vault]

Just basing it on years is really bad tho

[pure raven]

I have something to ask as we know that their are not many people who know about the meaning of D only hand full of people are their and the people who know about D are somehow connected to one piece (mostly) ,so how did dr Kureha know about D

[cosmic gull]

He is god himself

[weary cliff]

It's the years and that Oda gave a suspicious answer about babies on the Oro Jackson being like "the old days". So it's reasonable that they had young children aboard before. Buggy/Shanks would fit the bill pretty obviously. Then considering God Valley would fit perfectly timeline wise for something significant to have happened to the Roger pirates that resulted in them taking in baby Shanks and Buggy, and it's not an unreasonable theory at all

[prime bluff]

When are spoilers coming

[cosmic gull]

Tomorrow or Wednesday

[prime bluff]

I cannot wait that long

[craggy pumice]

Thats sad bro

[pure raven]

Im almost sure that was just Oda letting us know Kureha is a pirate. My head canon is that she’s Roger’s doctor

[quaint relic]

That could be true

[pure raven]

She could’ve been significant at any point in the 40 previous years we have history of being that she’s like 135 years old

[weary cliff]

You mine before Crocus?

[quaint relic]

After crocus maybe

[weary cliff]

He died after Crocus

[quaint relic]

I know but maybe Roger met kureha after leaving the crew

[weary cliff]

He was on his way to the gallows since he was terminally ill. Not much need to see doctorine

[dusky acorn]

I do think that was Kureha letting us know she's more than she let on. Hard to imagine she became familiar with the Will of D. just by being cooped up in Drum Island her whole life

The way her final scene of the arc was presented is reminiscent of Crocus at the end of Reverse Mountain to me actually

Not that there's a definite connection there, or that Kureha absolutely did know Roger personally

But just, both characters were big parts of their respective arcs, then allude to more possible nuance about their characters right at the very end

[shell kettle]

Theory: Shanks is Im

[dusky acorn]

I was highly doubting you genuinely believe that, but seeing from your other post you also believe Shanks could be evil. There's other way to accomplish that without literally making Imu though (which contradicts a lot)

I don't particularly want the twist happening at all though

[shell kettle]

Think about it; he talks to the five elders, people that Bow down to Im. He could be talking to them because he is Im. Also, Im is seen standing over a straw hat, which could be foreshadowing that he is Shanks.

I think it’s a pretty fun theory

[dusky acorn]

He did talk to the Elders but the way they interacted with him seems quite different

Like, they did give Shanks his due respect of course don't get me wrong but it wasn't to the same degree as Im

[shell kettle]

Maybe they don’t know he’s Im

[dusky acorn]

I highly doubt this idk, lol. Feels realy tedious for Shanks to be going through multiple personas, especially when you read Reverie chapters back to back. Doesn't fit how things chronologically happen

[shell kettle]

Maybe Foxy is Im and that’s why his filler arc is canon

[dusky acorn]

Ok this is just trolling at this point, you can stop now

[shell kettle]

Theory; Sabo is Im

He is going to betray dragon and Luffy in the next arc

[void trout]

The baby in the ship is not a great theory... I feel like the baby Roger nd Rayleigh nd garp rescued in God valley is imu sama...that's y garp gets special treatment nd Roger nd Rayleigh are goated

Nd imu is still going after the red hat that saved her that day that's why she is after the strawhats

Let's c like imu talked to Roger before his execution abt their past nd tried to convince Roger not to die...but Roger told her the whole op story nd imu was pretty saddened to learn abt op which she thought was the reason that killed Roger...so she wants no one to go after it or the poneglyph

[queen arrow]

that's dumb

[void trout]

I jst scrambled shit

I thought it a way like have u completed food wars

[queen arrow]

if the King of the World liked Roger, why the fuck would they execute him

[void trout]

It's Rogers own will

It has to be passed down to the next generation.. which is inturn luffy... I said the whole thing is because of onepiece nd Roger learning the truth

[queen arrow]

Roger got executed as a way to pass down his message, if the person in charge of the goverment was willing to let him say what he wanted he wouldn't need to die

[void trout]

But it's Roger wish though man...that's why I said imu is stopping ppl from going after poneglyphs nd stuff

[queen arrow]

also, Poneglyph reading has been prohibited for centuries, so " imu was pretty saddened to learn abt op which she thought was the reason that killed Roger...so she wants no one to go after it or the poneglyph" doesn't make any sense

[dusky acorn]

Also, we know the reason Garp gets special treatment despite his insubordination to CDs is due to his mighty achievements. He's a strong/dependable force to have in their ranks

[void trout]

I though it in a way like imu nd Rogers relationship similar to that of saiba nd erinas father from food wars

[dusky acorn]

Don't think there's a deeper idea to it than that

[queen arrow]

also why would Garp know about there being a King of The World and somehow not be revolted about it

[void trout]

Garp doesn't know that though

I said they saved a cd kid which turned out to be imu sama

[dusky acorn]

Your idea reminds me of Doffy's upbringing, but on a much larger scale

I don't know though, I find it hard to imagine Im is only someone that's been living for 40 or so odd years

[marsh warren]

i dont think Luffy's fruit will awaken, he still has room to grow before he faces Blackbeard

[queen arrow]

also what does this mean

[marsh warren]

going into the Final War he should be at his peak in terms of the series itself

[proud scaffold]

what if luffy is already the pirate king who is telling his story

[dusky acorn]

There's theories its Usopp/Brook, but I feel like the narrator theory is dead

There's just so many things the narrator has said that people like these absolutely would not know about

Like the events that transpired at Big Mom's birthday

[queen arrow]

also why wouldn't Roger try convincing Imu to stop all the shit things the goverment does

[void trout]

That's right

Roger said we got to wait for 20 more years so he knew the outcome already so maybe that's y he didnt say it... Like I have my part in moving the history forward similar to that of wb

[queen arrow]

that's really fucking dumb

the whole reason there's a prophecy thing is that certain things need to happen for the goverment to be overthrown, but if you're already like a father figure to the absolute undisputed king of the world why wouldn't you make the changes happen

[tribal belfry]

Who Dyu think is Blackbeard’s 10th titanic captain

I’ve heard theories that it could be urogue or who’s who

[queen arrow]

how would it be Who's Who

[dusky acorn]

Oh boy, there's all sorts of Who's Who spy theories out there

Haven't heard that one yet

But yeah, do think its Urouge, and that's entirely the premise behind him being given the Snack feat

[queen arrow]

i think it might be Kuzan

[tribal belfry]

I don’t think bb put kuzan as a captain. He’s more of an ally

[tribal belfry]

Yea that’s what I was thinking abt, but if he’s a spy he’s not rlly a captain then is he?

[queen arrow]

i don't see why he couldn't put Kuzan as a captain, since he compares his loyalty directly to Shiryu who is a captain as well

[eternal zinc]

man let's hope we see katakuri in wano please we stan katakuri

[pure raven]

[ember trench]

Would be cool if Who’s Who was a former Spade Pirate

[queen arrow]

i'm still hoping for Who's Who to not be recognized

[dusky acorn]

The thing that deters me off Kuzan holding a Captain rank is that his relationship with Blackbeard didn't seem too widely known in PH, and Dressrosa was only 1 day later, when Gyats proclaimed Blackbeard had 10 of them

Doflamingo as we know, was a guy with lots of reach, and has more intel about these things than others, yet stated to Kuzan "the rumours 'I' hear about you aren't good. "

If he was a Captain, the way Doflamingo would have approached Kuzan about that would be different. First, they wouldn't just be mere rumours if he's in a public position, and second of all, he could just say "the things people are saying about you now aren't good."

[tribal belfry]

yea idk if BB trusts Kuzan and if Kuzan is very loyal to him, but he could be who knows. I just doubt that he's that tenth titanic captain and it's gonna be someone else

[dusky acorn]

Blackbeard was actually fighting for the side of Kuzan in that he does want to trust him, it was only Burgess we knew who couldn't bring himself to wanting to believe him on his word

[queen arrow]

Blackbeard seems to trust Kuzan a lot, which is very interesting

[cosmic gull]

Best ara ara Aokiji

[thick sky]

Blackbeard wasn't fighting for Kuzan's side but rather only mentioning about him

He didn't give much input in that matter after that

[pure raven]

Loyalty isn't the thing I'd describe the dynamic

Blackbeard views Kuzan as the rest of his allies, as assets first and nothing else after. Kuzan's just a powerful piece he wants on his side first and foremost and one he thinks he can control given their allignment. Kuzan has his own desires he wants accomplished and black beard presumably believes either he can make their goals align or at the worst end, Kuzan's a navy spy and blackbeard plans for that contingency by not telling Kuzan anything more than he needs to know.

[tribal belfry]

so if there's a final fight between the BB pirates and the strawhats, dyu guys think that Kuzan would fight the strawhats?

[pure raven]

Actually yes but mainly because Kuzan has his own goals and at this point in time, I suspect that he'll believe that the straw hats would have reached enough manpower/strength to actually over power him to enable his plausible deniability of "Unable to stop them"

[tribal belfry]

hmmm interesting ok

which strawhat do you think would fight him in that matchup then?

[tribal belfry]

Im down for more ppl on BB's crew. the more crewmates BB has the more Luffy will end up having lol

[dusky acorn]

Burgess was on an opposing side of the debate compared to his captain. The scene first cuts in with Blackbeard saying "but doesn't the same go for Shiryu"

With this, we can infer Burgess first said something along the lines of Kuzan being untrustworthy as someone with former World Government ties, but then Blackbeard was trying to persuade him that if Shiryu turned out fine as a person of similar origin, then Kuzan is fine to affiliate with too.

[pure raven]

I don't think luffy would end up befriending them but granted I think most of luffy's crew could take on a good chunk of the commanders by themselves

[viscid vale]

We all agree that Yamato's the mythical Byakko, yeah?

[pure raven]

idk Jesus Burgess being a commander doesn't give me much faith in their strength

[pure raven]

so everyone keeps asking/begging/hoping

[dusky acorn]

It's the most acclaimed theory, yeah

The recent SBS saying Yamato's favourite food is salmon or something only reaffirmed it

[viscid vale]

Right, the Kanjuro drawings of an azure dragon and tiger, the opposing forces of tiger and dragon in SEA cultures, her loving fish as indicative of a cat. Hair also matches the coloring of a byakko cave drawing in a Japan.

There's a ton of potential foreshadowing here. Though I'm braced for an curve ball like Oda does.

[tribal belfry]

I wouldn't underestmate them, they have a lotta potential

[tribal belfry]

yea he was kinda weak. Keep in mind he doesn't have a df yet, and he will prolly get one before the final battle, so that'll be a buff

[olive quail]

Lmao imagine if he was the Spade Pirate's pet Sabertooth

[ember trench]

Bruh

[olive quail]

Lol technically kotatsu is a lynx tho

Theory dead

[olive quail]

I mean that could speak more for Sabo's strength but he did get boned. I feel like he would be one of the physically stronger members of the crew with the wrestler theme and him being a core member. I still think Shiryu is the strongest of BB's subordinates because of the Zoro parallels and him likely being Zoro's opponent when the crews clash

[grizzled fog]

Burgess is already a beast, and that’s without a fruit

[tawdry bramble]

People in one piece will always be as strong as the plot demands.

Burgess will be a threat when he needs to be.

[olive quail]

Kinda true but it would be a lie to say that Oda doesnt keep some consistency

[lost moat]

Yo random idea, but like I know you don’t necessarily need Haki to survive on the Grand Line but Shanks did sail with Gol D. Roger throughout most of his trip right? Did Shanks have Haki as a kid and why didn’t Buggy have Haki?

[queen arrow]

Shanks probably didn't have haki as a kid

[lusty hatch]

Buggy has devilfruit and he's supposed to be the blacksheep of Roger pirates so can't give him too any overpowered abilities

[lost moat]

Yeah but like, Buggy also probably saw Rayleigh and Roger fight. There’s no way he just looked at Haki and the idea of it, and went lmao that sucks.

[grizzled fog]

Seeing people use haki doesn’t mean you end up with it lol

[lusty hatch]

He even thought devil fruits suck and was never motivated to get better.
Buggy has always wanted shortcuts

[queen arrow]

idk where you got that interpretation from, but it doesn't make sense from a in-universe perspective, and if it's an out of universe perspective it is irrelevant

[lusty hatch]

What part of it doesn't make sense?

[queen arrow]

that he's supposed to be the blacksheep, in-universe they don't treat him any different

[lost moat]

No I get that, but like Buggy never thought about training it or none of the crew tried to hell him with it. Were lead to believe that Rogers crew like the Strawhats were very very close. I doubt that he never asked the question or even just was attempted to be trained. I hope my man Buggy has really bad Haki use later on so we can see he tried.

[lusty hatch]

I didn't say he was treated like a black sheep just that he has been portrayed as that by others.

[grizzled fog]

When have the Strawhats ever tried to train each other? Has usopp ever been trained by luffy? Crew members don’t really do that

[queen arrow]

there are multiple straw hat members without haki, and Buggy and Shanks where kids and also apprentices

[grizzled fog]

I doubt buggy was even the only Roger pirate without Haki lol

[lone galleon]

I think it is possible that luffy will be so strong that he could bare the oceans spell and be able to move around in the water. Do you guys think this is possible?

[dusky acorn]

Yeah, the Straw Hats are a tight knit group and don't teach each other haki

[queen arrow]

no

[grizzled fog]

I’d rather the single most ironclad rule of devil fruits remained unbroken personally

[lone galleon]

I think Kaido is already strong enough to do that because if he always is trying to find ways to die why hasnt he tried jumping in the water

[lusty hatch]

As if that has stopped Oda before

[lusty hatch]

Kaido has a fish devil fruit going underwater won't kill him.

[dusky acorn]

Feel like this idea has only been circulation lately because of the Dreamin' On scene of Luffy in water

[lone galleon]

Yeah, I forgot

[shrewd dune]

plot twist buggy will have conquerors haki

[dusky acorn]

He'd still be able to breath supposedly, going into water doesn't do anything different for Kaido than trying to starve naturally to death on land would

[lusty hatch]

Buggy having conqueror's haki wouldn't be too surprising he has the qualities of a king (+ cowardice)

[queen arrow]

1- Kaido has a fish fruit, 2- being able to breathe underwater isn't the same as being able to swim, 3- Kaido doesn't want to die at any cost he wants a cool death, 4- Luffy can't even swim without having a devil fruit, him losing that weakness would be stupid

[dusky acorn]

Buggy honestly has a shot of having the haki, we'll see

[lusty hatch]

If he does have it I really hope its conquerors

[lone galleon]

Yeah i forgot about kaidos devil fruit abilities

[lone galleon]

And i wasn’t implying that he couldnt swim easily i was just saying that he could swin but i would take a big toll on his stamina

[queen arrow]

still dumb

devil fruit users are completely drained of their energy when they get submerged

[lusty hatch]

What powerup will Kidd get during this arc?
I'm hoping it's awakening so that we learn how Luffy can get awakening.
Also it should be different from Luffy's powerup (using conqueror's haki as a weapon) so there is still ambiguity between the powerups

[dusky acorn]

I think it's going to be awakening or just showing more creative uses of his fruit. Every 5 fighter of the new gen having their own deviations of unique strengths is what Oda was going for on the rooftop

I think that will continue with him going through his own skill tree of sorts. I wouldn't mind a coc power-up though

[queen arrow]

god i hate that's all it takes

[cyan berry]

people fixate on the "anime op spoils manga readers!!!" so much that they choose to throw away all logic and take it as fact

[lone galleon]

It was just an idea

[queen arrow]

that doesn't stop it from being dumb, but don't worry everyone is dumb every once in a while

for example, i thought the sillhouette saving the scabbards was going to be Fukurokuju, and that he had ressucitation powers

[lone galleon]

[weary cliff]

At the very least, I never saw the idea get any traction until the OP was paired with the specific predicament of Luffy being knocked into the sea. Still dumb, but at not as bad as jumping straight to that notion from the intro alone

[queen arrow]

of course that wasn't the case, and it's kinda of a dumb idea

[cerulean coyote]

I don't think Buggy was a black sheep because other crewmembers do not treat him with malice or make fun of him. I agree Buggy always wanted become rich/famous without working or taking shortcuts. Even at the start he had the grand line map when he should already know how to get there (since he sailed on Oro Jackson).

[rigid wadi]

BB just trust powerful people xD

He trusted Impel Lvl 6 prisioners soon

[cerulean coyote]

I did not catch the issue about bb kuzan and burgess. When kuzan entered bb crew?

[rigid wadi]

Kuzan appeared being in good terms with BB. We don't know the context, but they are allies rn

[queen arrow]

this conversation we are mentioning happened in Dressrosa

[cerulean coyote]

Is it When Burgess called Bb?

[rigid wadi]

People think Kuzan is infiltrated, considering the way of justice Kuzan has

[pure raven]

So this was iirc at the end of Fishman Island when Jinbei mentioned to the crew what has changed and how Akainu became fleet admiral after Akainu beat Aokiji at Punk Hazard leading to Aokiji leaving the marines and joining Blackbeard but we don't know why or how.

[cerulean coyote]

Just checked it. Gorusei said it to Sakazuki at end of dressrosa when Fujitora made the apology at king riku

I am re-reading of the full dressrosa arc right now. Like I just saw that Urouge/Kaido island is kept in air with airinflated baloons. It's crazy.

[sacred hawk]

I think the reason Oda is having the marines fight against the Warlords right now is all to somehow get them into the new world for the final arc

[grizzled fog]

Don’t think all the warlord islands are in the new world tho

I don’t think either Amazon Lily or Mihawk’s islands are at least.

[dusky acorn]

Can definitely see Mihawk heading to the New World after this

Yeah that's what Derpa means

Since they aren't there now, it'll culminate towards them all heading there or being there for later in the story

Weevil/Buggy already are though

[grizzled fog]

Oh I see

[rigid wadi]

what do you think we will find tomorrow in spoilers?

[waxen dust]

Mihawk will likely meet with Shanks in the New World

[dusky acorn]

Starts right away with, or cuts to Yamato vs Kaido. This will be showcased for at least 30% of the chapter, even more if we get Yamato's fruit reveal during this. Will be accompanied by either the Live Floor with Tama, Kid/Law vs Big Mom, or both. These two scenes also had recent cliffhangers to them as well.

[pseudo citrus]

when yamato's fruit gets revealed, will we get a card that shows the name of the fruit (a la the tobi roppo) or will it be totally in action, more like kaido was?

[tribal belfry]

fight against the flying 6, a close up of at least 1 hopefully (robins or JInbe's plz)

[scenic thicket]

i wonder wht captain johns treasure is. its got 2 be rlly important bc oda started setting it up in thriller bark. plus he was a part of rocks crew

and since buggy is finding it how will his character interact with it?

[lost moat]

Random fun idea, if Franky learned how to feed an item a Devil fruit which one would he feed the Sunny?

[scenic thicket]

probably a lion zoan @lost moat

[sudden saddle]

Actually, Spandam fed his sword with an Akuma No Mi. Why not Franky?

[little kelp]

what do you guys think Shanks wanted with the grosei?

[scenic thicket]

try and get the WG 2 set their sights on Blackbeard. ends up not happening and shanks dies. this is how luffy can overcome the red hairs and not fight them @little kelp

[dusky acorn]

Could be Blackbeard he's talking about, but then again Shanks and Blackbeard haven't had any recent altercation we know of in the past two years. It'd be weird if he only now has some recent insight on him

That's why I think it's Kid as he's the only significant pirate we know his crew recently fought. Made a theory for it before, but been doing an even more extensive one on it now

[tribal belfry]

Yea I'd def love to see more plot with kidd

[little kelp]

why would Shanks want to talk to the grosei about kidd of all the pirates?

[last halo]

Shimon been on Kid theories for a while

[scenic thicket]

i didn’t even think abt kidd but shanks already cut off his arm why would he be afraid of him? @dusky acorn

[dusky acorn]

It doesn't have to be about fear

Just something particularly of interest about him

It sort of coincides with how he was allowed to walk alive in the first place despite his viciousness

[tribal belfry]

Maybe Kidd is BB's protege, like how Luffy is to Shanks

[dusky acorn]

I don't want to spill all the beans here, but whatever he'd want to talk about for him, I think it'd coincide with the fact that he had Shanks as his first target, hates CDs (The people Shanks is choosing to talk to), and has royal aspects about his character that hint to some special lineage.

Also, if you look at every Supernova, throughout the story they've all had identity reveals of sorts. Kid and Urouge are the only ones who have yet to gain this kind of nuance to their characters. (For Urouge, I assume it'll be about him working with Bb)

Apoo is revealed to be a traitor, Bege a BM pirate, Law a Will of D. member, Drake Sword, Killer Kamazo, Bonney Royalty, Hawkins a Headliner

[little kelp]

this is interesting but does Kidd having conqueror's haki doesn't count tho?

[dusky acorn]

Some might disagree on it being a factor to special lineages, but the data of Coc users speaks for itself. Even Yamato might have it now. I definitely agree it can hint to some special backgrounds

[little kelp]

what about zoro? he doesn't have any special backgrounds

[dusky acorn]

Yeah, Zoro's an outlier

But the majority do

^

[modest skiff]

Yeah I don't buy the whole "CoC isn't genetic" thing. At the very least, the correlation is huge

[amber oar]

What's even the argument against CoC being genetic?

[scenic thicket]

boa hancock

[modest skiff]

If anything, Boa is a really strong argument in FAVOR, since she is a queen who just so happens to have it

[amber oar]

how is she an argument against? We don't know who are her parents

[dusky acorn]

She's the rightful empress of Amazon Lily, doesn't that speak to her parents having been in high standing in Amazon Lily?

Unless I'm missing something on how the empresses are chosen

[modest skiff]

Yeah, her parents were the previous rulers

They said she is genetically the ruler

[tribal belfry]

ppl who have the traits of a king have COC

[modest skiff]

Well ok they didn't say genetically, just a matter of lineage

[tribal belfry]

it's not hereditory like the Will of D

[dusky acorn]

The argument against I've heard is Katakuri being the only one of BM's children who we know to have it

But all that tells us is it isn't a trait you 100% pass down all the time

[modest skiff]

Maybe its only passed through the father

[dusky acorn]

BM nailing even 1 out of her tens of odds kids is crazy, still. Considering its 1 in millions normally

[scenic thicket]

bc the old lady on amazon lily would b boas actual grandmother

[amber oar]

Her mother is a former ruler, her father can be literally anyone (old enough) in the world

[modest skiff]

Meaning what? That's an argument against CoC lineage..?

[modest skiff]

Right, I just meant that her dad probably lived at the palace with her mom.

[amber oar]

I don't think they allowed that, but that goes beyond the point

[modest skiff]

yeah, sorry, my basic point is that it is heavily implied Boa's mom used to rule the country

[scenic thicket]

no theres no part of tht saying boas parents were the previous rulers. @amber oar id even say the reason tht they didnt want 2 show the mark on their backs is bc the empress is a position given to the strongest and the most respected

the previous two empresses died

bc they didnt leave

[amber oar]

OK, but how does that prove CoC isn't genetic?

[dusky acorn]

How many nations in OP have we even seen that just appoint their rulers like this? Instead of being a dynasty

Dynasties seem to prevail in OP a fair bit

[modest skiff]

Yeah I don't recall any implication that being queen is a trial

[scenic thicket]

i dont think its passed down genetically, just something an important character is given

[amber oar]

Anyway... Whether the Amazon Lily government is a blood lineage or not, how does that prove or disprove CoC is genetic?

[scenic thicket]

@dusky acorn the amazons fight to be the leader. a meritocratic society

[amber oar]

I don't think that has ever been said

[scenic thicket]

they fight in a ring and the strongest become pirates

We dont know Kaidos, Shanks, Whitebeards parents. Rodger who used CoC didnt pass it along to Ace

[dusky acorn]

Whitebeard I concede, but Shanks/Kaido there's room to explore, and Ace did have Conquerors, he used it in the ASL flashback once

[scenic thicket]

honestly I think CoC is just a dice roll at birth if u will have it

[tribal belfry]

Ace had COC

[scenic thicket]

oh lemme check tht

[tribal belfry]

why does COC have to be hereditory? Hasn't it been said that COC is given to ppl who have the qualities of a king?

[dusky acorn]

I get a vague feeling something to that nature may have been said by the narrator, not sure

[modest skiff]

How do people feel about my basic theory that out of all people that have CoC, there is some subset of those people who can use an extremely rare technique

[tribal belfry]

didn't kaido alr say that

[modest skiff]

Like I think there is something Kaido, BM, Roger, WB, none of them could do it

I have no idea what that IS, but I get the feeling there is something that none of those people can do, but they know some tiny % of people can

[scenic thicket]

if the strongest ppl couldnt do it, even one. where would they have learned it

[modest skiff]

fuck if i know, maybe roger could do it, but I get the feeling CoC is more like the first requirement for the hella strong thing

totally baseless theory, FWIW, other than it really feels like everyone is looking for something special

[scenic thicket]

@dusky acorn ard i forgot Ace used it, we also don’t know if he refined it. Doffys parents definitely don’t use it

[rigid wadi]

Imo CoC is hereditary but just by small chance. That's why Boa sisters doesn't have it and only Katakuri has it from all BM children

If Yamato ends up having and CoC being hereditary, would mean our boy Kaido just makes big quality content lmao

[scenic thicket]

plus u gotta refine it. ig ppl born with it would have the will to get stronger regardless

[waxen dust]

I think Rayleigh stated the only way to gain CoC is you have to be a natural born leader. Maybe you can train it but only if you strength your will

[queen arrow]

what's the argument about

[dusky acorn]

Yeah, Doffy's parents almost definitely didn't have the disposition for it, he just lucked out. But it still goes along with the bigger picture I was going for of just 'special backgrounds'. I get that it's a big ballpark that's approaching this from very much a meta perspective rather than story, but it's still a majority trend within the pool of users

[waxen dust]

Yamato definitely has CoC because they clash and split the sky last chapter. You can’t do that unless two people with CoC collide.

[scenic thicket]

i think if ur parents had incredible haki you’d also have to have incredible haki just to rebel, like yamato.

[rigid wadi]

Can be armament too, we need confirmation in chapter this week

[waxen dust]

no it’s definitely CoC cause that’s the only time we ever see clouds split when two users collide. So last chapter implies Yamato has it

[queen arrow]

we don't really see the same effect that happened with the previous ones

[rigid wadi]

I mean I really hope it is, but want to see more to say 100% it is

[scenic thicket]

honestly besides being decended from a CD isnt the whole point abt the CDs are tht they aren’t special people. just the ones abusing power @dusky acorn

[waxen dust]

The clouds split and get blown away, I mean how is that not CoC. Especially since both of them didn’t hold back with their attacks

[dusky acorn]

CDs are special though, it isn't merely about their current standing. They originated from royal families around the world and congregated in holy land, right

[queen arrow]

no one is "special" the way the CDs think they are, which is being gods, but besides that, they descend from actual royalty

[rigid wadi]

But Im scared if Yamato ends up being that strong. I want her to join SH but Oda has kept the monster trio for 20 years. If Yamato ends up being that strong, makes me doubt about she going with Luffy

[scenic thicket]

royal families r made up and the holy land is part of tht lie 2 deceive ppl

[waxen dust]

Only way she doesn’t go is if she dies. At this point we are approaching end game so the crew will need to step up, so having Yamato will definitely give more strength to the crew and raise the bar for them all to get stronger.

[scenic thicket]

can’t wait 4 captain johns treasure to b revealed

[mild kite]

Even if Yamato is as strong as Zoro or Sanji when she joins, Zoro and Sanji will surpass her eventually

[queen arrow]

what i'm saying is that this didn't happen, which is the same as to when Kaido and Big Mom clashed, and this is the closest we have to an specific effect for Conqueror's

[rigid wadi]

We could just evolve monster trio to Monster 4 lmao.

[mild kite]

No.

[rigid wadi]

Don't compare Yamato strength to BM strength lol

[scenic thicket]

i’m saying rn captain johns treasure is gonna b huge to the story

[queen arrow]

i'm not comparing their strength, i'm comparing the effect

[rigid wadi]

Still, its more like when Doffy and Luffy clashed than when Kaido and BM clashed

That's why Im saying about strength in the effect xD

[queen arrow]

the thing he brought up was the cloud splitting though, which is unique to these 2 clashes

[waxen dust]

I honestly believe they were holding back during this scene. I’m sure their power will capsize both their ships. It’s definitely similar to last chapter except the full power is implemented which causes the clouds to split even further.

[mild kite]

Yamato cant hold back as she knows shes way inferior to kaido and kaido said hes not gonna hold back

Ig the clouds being cleared is just an artistic effect

[waxen dust]

Nah that’s not artistic, it’s definitely Oda highlighting the Conquerors Clash

[mild kite]

Could be. Im not against Yamato having Coc

[frosty zinc]

You sure...I think there is a deep meaning

[queen arrow]

there are barely any clouds being split last chapter, and are you implying Big Mom and Kaido held back when they fought each other?

[frosty zinc]

Possibly

[waxen dust]

Look above Onigashima, it’s literally covered with clouds on the roof. Then the last scene clears the sky

[queen arrow]

the last scene has no focus on the sky because of the action lines

ironically, the same happens when Doffy and Luffy clash, and then the clouds are still there later

[waxen dust]

my dude it’s literally the same Onomatopoeia as the scene you shared with WB & Shanks

[rigid wadi]

That's why I said about Doffy and Luffy xd

[pseudo citrus]

the two clashes side by side, for comparison

[queen arrow]

what's the second one

[pseudo citrus]

luffy-kaido from 1011

[rigid wadi]

LOL cloud effects is the same, true

[queen arrow]

you mean the "DOOM" Onomatopeia which is highlighted as one of Oda's favorite Onomatopoeias?

[pseudo citrus]

I personally think that whitespace with black lines is the conqueror's clash, which isn't present in yamato's

[waxen dust]

yea the clouds look the same in both clashes. Both clashes where both users weren’t holding back

[waxen dust]

obviously it’s used in a lot scenarios , but it’s definitely used in similar context for both clashes. This definitely something that shouldn’t be debated

[rigid wadi]

Well, if that's the case I hope Yamato transformed off-screen. She literally had Kaido hybrid form going with CoC in front

[pseudo citrus]

from the last shot of yamato's face, I think they were in the process of transforming... there were lines appearing that weren't in the previous frame

[waxen dust]

I don’t think she transformed yet, we’ll get that scene when it happens instead of it being offscreen.

[nocturne nexus]

i think

[waxen dust]

Bro only serious theories here. go to #manga for the shittposting

[icy garnet]

I don’t think Yamato joins the crew

[rigid wadi]

She still needs to find a position in crew and more, but if she gets out of Wano, she will prob join

[icy garnet]

Luffy wouldn’t like a person who is not being themself. All Yamato wants to be is Oden

[rigid wadi]

About her position, I know people say they are all covered, but actually I have a theory that if in her flashbacks we see more about her and she being handy with plants maybe she could join as gardener

[icy garnet]

Isn’t Nami already kind of a gardener with her plants?

[rigid wadi]

Actually there's nobody who oficially takes care of all the things that grow on Sunny. Not just Nami's garden but Usopp part and more

Imo could be a posible rol, but is not a really accepted theory because nobody has shown special interest on plants or gardens

[icy garnet]

I mean Nami has the tangerine trees

I feel a role could be there for her but I don’t think her conviction would be enough for Luffy to join the crew

[rigid wadi]

But before Carrot jumping onto the Scout position, that was fullfilled by different persons at different times. Sometimes Ussop, others we've seen Robin..... That's why if you give a character interest on plants, I would see gardener ss a really valid position for someone

[waxen dust]

We don’t need a gardener role, that’s just asinine lmao

[icy garnet]

Everyone on the crew is trying to accomplish their dreams for themselves and the others. Yamato’s goal of being Oden doesn’t really fit in considering what the other SH want to accomplish

[nocturne nexus]

keeping fresh food supply, i agree that would be a good role.

[rigid wadi]

Bro in fact I just want Yamato in crew, Oda pls give her a Role and make her go with Luffy xD

[rigid wadi]

To me, seems valid. But is true that not everybody sees it the same way so....We will have to wait

[waxen dust]

I said a number of times Yamato’s role will be the Chronicler. Every female SH has a role that involves paper & pencil, so Yamato being in charge of logging makes sense especially with her connection to caring for Oden’s logbook

Yamato is 100% going at this point unless she dies.

[rigid wadi]

Chronicler would be nice at start of adventure, but.....when more than 80% of travel is done? That's what shocks me

[icy garnet]

I argue Oda sets another purpose for her

[visual merlin]

yea, that and it'd just be a copy of what Oden wrote basically

Yamato could be given any random role, but I think logging or whatever would be odd

[rigid wadi]

Yes from Wano to Laugh Tale lol

[visual merlin]

and "every female", there's only 2

[waxen dust]

I know, but there’s still time to fill up that log from her own perspectives and not Oden’s perspective. That’s how she gains individuality and not leech onto Oden.

[visual merlin]

and Nami's role is navigation more than drawing maps

[visual merlin]

doing a log would be copying oden

[icy garnet]

I also don’t think Luffy would enjoy having someone who’s potentially read and learned what OP is from Oden’s journal

[rigid wadi]

Could be too. Lets see what Oda has prepared for her

[nocturne nexus]

true. only time will tell.

[waxen dust]

They already have a log and Yamato doing the log wouldn’t copying Oden, but more so mirror his purpose and tell her own perspective of the journey at the final islands.

[visual merlin]

what log?

[rigid wadi]

Imo with time we will get to know more about what Oden wrote, and find out that he just wrote some hints to reach Laugh Tale but not what One Piece is, to avoid the danger of his diary being in wrong hands if something happens to him

[waxen dust]

There’s a log, Usopp & Nami are in charge of logging

[visual merlin]

can you show an example of this, I don't recall them ever logging anything

[waxen dust]

In Zou, remember Usopp logs info when they were standing on the Whale tree.

[icy garnet]

I think even hints would bug Luffy, he wants to find everything along the journey

[amber storm]

Spoilers out yet?

[rigid wadi]

Nope

Wait like 10 hours more imo

[amber storm]

👍

[proud crystal]

late response but i agree. i think yammy's character development will have her realize she doesn't have to be someone else to defeat her father/be worthwhile/etc, and that she can just be herself. don't know what her dream after that would be...

[real marten]

yammy?

You mean Yamato?

[proud crystal]

yeeeeeeeeeees...

[modest skiff]

I thought Nami is already keeping a log and not just maps

[waxen dust]

Both her and Usopp take turns, but it’ll likely be transitioned into a permanent role similar to what’s happening with Helmsman

[amber oar]

a chronicler that missed 80% of the trip

[modest skiff]

If I had it my way, they’ve only had 5% of their adventure so far 🙂

[gray kettle]

I say we pull an Invincible Reboot and send Luffy back in time

[amber oar]

good thing you don't write the manga

[real marten]

He'd have to pass that shit on to his children

Some simple math 5% done, about 20 years, meaning the manga would take like 100+ years to complete

Oh shit I was completely wrong

[modest skiff]

Hey you were right it was more than 100 years

[real marten]

Oh yeah

I'm just not exactly right

20 years = 5%

4 years = 1%

100 years = 25%

400 years = 100%

[modest skiff]

Yes

[ionic cobalt]

So zoro's teacher is swordmaster's son

[amber oar]

he is, Oda revealed in a SBS

[ionic cobalt]

What's SBS?

[jolly quiver]

sbs is oda qna corner in his manga

[ionic cobalt]

Ohhh

[misty owl]

I think act-3 is soon going to end. Maybe in chapter 1018 or 1019.

[ionic cobalt]

Then battle act will begin...

[little kelp]

the fact that zoro probably has it is prove that is not special because zoro doesn't have any special linage

[modest skiff]

Correction: we don’t know Zoro’s lineage yet

[pure raven]

What an original, never seen, post

They say that since chapter 999

[waxen dust]

well technically we still got another week to see if that’s true or not

[pure raven]

Oh you mean, since 3 chapters, they say it will be 1018 or 1019 ?
Why those chapters ?

[waxen dust]

Because it plays along with the Kabuki numbers, I say if not 1018 then 1024 since this finishes Volume 101.

[autumn vapor]

So if BM has it, all of her kids will have it eh?

[pure raven]

Oh yeah, the 15-30-60-30-15 theory

[modest skiff]

What if it is passed through father?

[pure raven]

We have guess some numbers game before for acts, it never worked
let's hope for this one

[pure raven]

Katakuri - BM
Ace - Roger

We just wait Garp-Dragon-Luffy and Yamato-Kaido to see more of that theory

[modest skiff]

yeah, IMO all we can do is shrug at the question since we don't have enough info atm. Lots of things in OP are fun to theorize about but the passing of CoC is something we're just grasping at

[amber oar]

That's not how genetics work. Sometimes but not always

There are traits that appear, then disappear for generations and pop out later, but they're still genetic traits

[autumn vapor]

Oh yeah i meant higher chance for many of her kids having it na?

[amber oar]

recessive genes and the like

Also sometimes a trait depends not on a single gene, but multiple genes
so the probability of passing it down depends on the amount of genes involved

[pure raven]

It will also mean, that Momo, Hiyori, weeble, sai, boo, and shanks' son can have it too...

• future ennemies surely have it to have a power who match with luffy's one

[amber oar]

in theory yeah the chance would be higher

[modest skiff]

I think Ace/Luffy and Katakuri show it is more than simply "did any parent have it"

I don't buy the idea that BM and her kids had the same % chance as Luffy/Ace did. Too coincidental then.

Perhaps if someone has stronger CoC, it is more likely their kids will also have it. I dunno. Purely grasping at nonsense but we can come up with ideas, its just hard to make a good fit to such limited data

I wouldn't say I feel good about any theory I have regarding CoC, so i just say "wait and see" for now

[pure raven]

Yeah but for now, it's only a "mystic" power of "king" , so the great persons, who basically are often from the same family

Not a genetic thing, if it is, i'm afraid vegapunk will create a bullshit technology to implant coc in marine lineage factor

[modest skiff]

One possibility is that only a single family could use CoC (perhaps from the ancient lost civilization?) but that doesn't really make sense since it feels like wildly different backgrounds have it. Again, none of my CoC theories are good >_< lol

I won't be surprised when it turns out CoC interacts with devil fruits in a unique way

[pure raven]

Kozuki's and D seem being 2 differents family
Doflamingo come from opponent of these family too

[modest skiff]

Yeah I've started to wonder if it is as simple as Wano being the great kingdom but i don't think so

Architecture totally different etc

[pure raven]

Oars is "supposed" having 500Years , when he create wano it seems to be at least 300Y after void war

[modest skiff]

I'm sorry I don't think I understand what you mean by that

[pure raven]

Wano was build by Oars, who pull severals island together
That's why it seem to have a huge mystery (onigashima skull, numbers) around giants/antic giants/giantification etc in OP
Oars Junior seems to have affect for wano also
Moria stole oars body and shuusui in his wano raid

So if oars was born 500 YA approximately, it's late for wano being the void kingdom

[modest skiff]

Got it, makes sense, thank you

[pure raven]

No problem

[bronze palm]

I feel like Act 3 is gonna end at chapter 1018, because of an explanation I saw on an Instagram post.

[pure raven]

The theory of 15-30-60-30-15 ?

[bronze palm]

yes yes, that

[pure raven]

It could match with the beginning of a rock flashback

[bronze palm]

That was the theory I saw on my instagram. 13-30-60-30-15

Do you approve, or disagree, or something else?

[pure raven]

Yes, at first it was spaculate that it will be 15-30-45-30-15

The number game is one of oda's favorite

[teal bay]

You think Wano is gonna be 45 chapters more??

[bronze palm]

Chapter 1018 would be the 60th's chapter of act 3 right??

[pure raven]

So i think it potentially can be the case

[bronze palm]

Well, roughly, you can't tell me Wano is gonna have all the questions answered in about 20 chapters.

[modest skiff]

Are there any other examples?

[teal bay]

Yeah ofc but I thi k it's more like 35 chapters approx.

[pure raven]

Yes it Make
928-923
925-955
958-1018

Basically, it can be contested for few pages

[waxen dust]

45 + any intermission chapters

[pure raven]

And it feat with kabuki's 5 act

[bronze palm]

I think, it's more because they literally need to go all over this the following: Poneglyph in Wano, which was in Orochi's Castle, Poneglyph the blue one in Onigashima, also they need to find the red one, the sillhoutette person in chapter 1004, Luffy and Momonosuke abilities, Yamato, all the fights, etc..

[pure raven]

I will search something like that

[bronze palm]

why is act 1 only a few chapters, when actuality it is 15? or it's just a rough example?

[waxen dust]

Wano is gonna end around late 2022 early 2023

[teal bay]

928 to 923 ??

[pure raven]

908-923* sorry

[bronze palm]

Definitely agree.

[waxen dust]

I actually don’t mind cause I love this arc

[bronze palm]

ok it's fine

In my opinion, Wano is going to be the best arc of any anime out there because of how everything is so good, and Oda went all out.

[pure raven]

@modest skiff Also check the meaning, of the yonkous (roger and whitebeard also) bounties

[waxen dust]

I say Wano is Top 5 of the series, if the arc gets better it could be in the talks of being the best but that is a hard task at this point. It still got problems and definitely could’ve been paced better

[pure raven]

Wano is problematic as hell
But oda wanted to do it since YA, more or less as his vikings passion, so i let him do his bullshit, but enjoy his arc he awaited so long to draw

[bronze palm]

I have to disagree, Wano is supposedly to be the "best" because it's the arc that has been built up for many years, and everything happening in Wano is solely built up from the author, and just throwing everything into Wano, in this case, as ingredient in the hot pot.

[exotic hill]

Which chapter act 3 will end?

[bronze palm]

If theorized, chapter 1018.

[pure raven]

we don't know

[exotic hill]

Ohi

[bronze palm]

It's the theory, though, not too sure tbh.

[waxen dust]

I agree with it having the best built up, but from an evaluation standpoint of the arc itself their have been flaws and things that needed better pacing or approach. Nonetheless the arc in Top 5 should be still highly regarded. In honesty I can see it being Top 3 at most by the end.

[bronze palm]

ye I looked at that too, the end of act 3 is supposed to end in tragedy though...

[junior shoal]

!act3

[lone hedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/164971940648321024/812008302815739914/Untitled-12.png

[pure raven]

We clearly are in a tragedy moment (with a little hope at the end i guess, it's a shonen)

[modest skiff]

Thank you!

[waxen dust]

the tragedy has to be something worthwhile because I think people will be annoyed

[bronze palm]

Bad pacing isn't caused by the author, directly and/or intentionally. It's just that the anime needs to not get caught up, so they won't have to be on hiatus. To be honest, I do not see any other one piece arcs that can top off Wano arc, (Marineford maybe), but each chapter in the Onigashima Raid literally have everyone shaking from the beginning till now, and probably till it ends.

[bronze palm]

To be honest, right now we are not in full tragedy yet because there are still some "hopes". I want the end of Chapter 3 to fully be in tragedy, like really really sad, so that they don't think Luffy's side is not gonna win,, like completely.

[pure raven]

Yeah but it's OP, not a greek tragedy
But yeah who care about kiku

Dont expect a complete tragedy huh
It just will be a fake cliffanger as usual 🦄

[bronze palm]

Ye, definitely, but I want it to be complete tragedy for some intense things

[waxen dust]

I didn’t mention anything about the anime, that’s entirely it’s own thing and doing well right now. Secondly, the Raid isn’t the only part of the arc, we spent about a good year and half on the other 2 acts and there were some slow moments. Act 3 even has some low points with pacing and offscreening. Oda definitely doing a great job, but that still doesn’t stem the fact he could’ve made improvements.

[bronze palm]

What improvements would you make if you could have changed it, theoretically?

[waxen dust]

Nah I think we need a tragedy to happen because it’s kind of this big battle and there needs to be something of great loss to make the moments more impactful.

[pure raven]

Yeah since marineford it the only arc who can really have a big death,
Scabbards are not interesting

[bronze palm]

But Wano is better, in terms of character-development, and plot-moving forward, tbh.

[pure raven]

But onigashima crushing capital .....

Could be it

[waxen dust]

Well I think Act 2 should’ve focused more on Zoro and his origin, have less time on Udon (since this took a portion of the arc). You had alot time where we kept jumping around place to place and it wasn’t organized as well. Act 3 right now is amazing, but it could be better without offscreening the side fights. I’m still hopeful that “Act 4” will be the comeback of this arc and make what a lot of people hoped for. There’s probably few more things I could list, but it’s kind of late to go digging right now

[waxen dust]

I thought this but I think at the same time it’s kind of a cheap cop out for tragedy. I think a meaningful death would have more stakes in the act than just a building collapsing.

[pure raven]

The Blades, Meito, hitetsu, Daimyo, ryuma, Onimaru story etc was my main regret in wano 🥲
Oda gave us shimotsuki's story in sbs

[bronze palm]

I don't think it makes sense to focus on Zoro's origin in Act 2 because he didn't really have shining moments until his fight up in the rooftop. I think it only makes sense for us to see his origins after his shining moments, so we know what his originality was and how he got it. What I mean by this is that when Kaido asked him if he was using CoC of his attacks, it only makes sense for the author to show him his origin after those moments happened. The time in Udon is actually the "training arc" for Luffy, and is undoubtedly going to be having some preferences of his Haki's training with the old man, and how he trained to get to where he is. For Act 3, what offscreen side fights are you referring? The PeroPero vs Carrot and Wanda? Or what?

[pure raven]

My only hope is when onigashima will land, we will see again that Hitetsu is Sukiyaki and Ame no hakabiri will come back and onimaru too etc

Zoro's was nerf, oda sell a total bullshit with enma, he litteraly give zoro wado, sandai, and enma at wano instead of nidai, shusui or also ame no hakabiri

[waxen dust]

For Act 2 I get it was significant for Luffy, but there could’ve been more focus on other characters than just him, Udon prison really took lot of time from that Act itself. As for Act 3 I am referring to all the fights, even in the recent chapter with Nami & Ulti, as well as who the Retainers are fighting, and the rest of the SHs. There’s a lot of moving pieces and sadly Oda is bouncing around to some, while others are getting barely to no screen time with their fights.

[pure raven]

Zoro was insulted from his randomization until 997 who save his ass with the fans

[waxen dust]

Zoro been fed good this act and he’s definitely not done either.

[pure raven]

Don't say the opposite it's a good arc for zoro
But i expected wano from a longtime for as i says meito etc
Zoro just do shit he should have kept shuusui at least, at ask the nidai instead of taking enma 🧐

Still hoping have his origins from his mother later

[waxen dust]

he can still get the Nidai after the raid, the other one will probably break or something

[bronze palm]

The Nami vs Ulti fight wasn’t even offscreened. We haven’t seen the outcome of the battles of the scabbards fighting yet, so it isn’t also offscreen. In addition, we have not seen the other SHs fighting at all, the author just placing them on the battefield and having matchups though, not showing the outcomes. Act 2 was mostly about the plan for the crew to gather information on the enemy, and it wasn’t needed for any of them to have a shining moment to be good because they wouldn’t want their plan to be revealed. As of right now, we haven’t even see the rest of their fights, so nothing is offscreened yet at the moment.

[pure raven]

Hoping too

There is always the Toko parents which are mysterious
All my hope in Ushimaru

[pure raven]

And what about ame no hakabiri ?
Theory of momo suddenly growing up and use it ?

Still waiting kikoku class and gryphon

[bronze palm]

I think it was said that her parents were dead and Yasuie adopted her

[pure raven]

Yes, but it's a mystery oda push on, we have a remember at the last chapter

[waxen dust]

Act 2 was definitely a good time to get some shining moments, you could’ve had the crew split into groups and show them rallying more people for the raid throughout the country. The setup was there and it was still executed great, but I definitely believe more could’ve bee done. As for Nami/Ulti; The fight was offscreened it literally jumps to different parts and moments of the fight. And the ones we haven’t seen are still ongoing as the plot progresses, even in the last chapter you see the Tobi Roppo looking banged up from their battles. So idk if Oda plans to jump back or not, but the fights are for sure been happening offscreen. You know I’m not complaining about this arc, I love it, but I do wish somethings could be different to make it even more amazing

[waxen dust]

Momo better off staying his age. He already shows he his mentally capable to act as an adult

[pure raven]

And why the fuck Yamato has the same age as momo

[limpid sequoia]

The reason Oda gave him Enma was so he could make 3 of his own black blades

[pure raven]

I was talking about toko

[limpid sequoia]

I was adressing your earlier statement about him keeping shusui

[pure raven]

Oh yeah, but i don't say it was a bad idea "for zoro" i just say oda mess up what he try to sell us

[bronze palm]

I see what you’re saying for act 2. But however, when you said “last chapter you see the Tobbi Roppo looking banged up from their battles” it doesn’t mean anything as of the winner of each of the fight of the Tobbi Roppo is in, we only saw got to see a glimpse of their reaction for a bit, not like they were defeated/winning or anything. I don’t see how the Nami and Ulti fight was offscreen though, it was only interfered. Nami was on Komachiyo with Usopp and Tama, and Ulti butted her head into the lion and made them fall and bleed and etc. Big Mom came in and knocked Page One, unconscious (pretty sure he’s gonna get back up, just a matter of when). Ulti later on damaged Tama and Nami wasn’t happy about it so she used her tempo on her. After finding out what happened, Ulti sprinted to where they are, and head butted Usopp. Then, Nami used the new weapon from Zeus to attack her. (Which I think Ulti is gonna get back up, just a matter of when)

[waxen dust]

Before that during everything before 995

And Tobi Roppo not defeated isn’t my point, the action is still happening regardless and we’re missing out on whatever is going on during these fights, we’re missing big chunks

[bronze palm]

She also headbutted Nami and got beaten the hell out of her and still got to see what happened after that

[waxen dust]

we didn’t see how all that happened before the headbutts. Also I hope Ulti gets back up and they continue fighting because Big Mom interference was necessary for Zeus involvement but it definitely made the Nami/Usopp moment less impactful. So hopefully we get redemption a little later in the raid

[bronze palm]

I am pretty sure we’re gonna see Ulti and Page One back up because we have not seen what their abilities are yet fully. All we know as of right now is they’re tanky as hell, and crazy durability.

[waxen dust]

Also Ulti never did her Meteor attack. Oda wouldn’t had done that if he never planned to have her showcase it, also they might end up joining Kid so they need to get up so they can ally with him at the end.

[bronze palm]

I’ve never said anything about meteor attack

[cosmic gull]

Kid ,Law and Ulti vs Big mom hmm

[waxen dust]

She has a Meteor Attack she never fully showcased, so Oda will likely have her do it next time she gets back up

[bronze palm]

That’s my point on why she’s gonna get back up because we haven’t see her full potentially abilities yet.

[pure raven]

Wano :
-5 O wazamono
-1 Ryo owazamono + Kikoku + Hitetsu's one

Shuusui
-Blade from legendary samourai
-Black blade
-Zoro won it in a sword fight
-Belong to a swordman who kill a dragon
-Uniformize in one the power of 3 swords
-Is able to broke wado
-Claim that she can stop a dinosaur charge

Enma
-A twin sword without his twin
-White Blade
-Belong to a swordman who hurt a dragon/kaido
-Ugly color
-Zoro exchange it

Nidai Kitetsu > Sandai Kitetsu
Ame is forgot

Oda sell us shit, that's all, finally zoro will probable not having black blades at wano

[waxen dust]

Yea I know, I’m agreeing with your stance. The Ancient Zoans are CRAZY durable! Probably the most we’ve seen thus far

[bronze palm]

These dinosaur Zoans have crazy durability compared to the Zoans they fought back in Enies lobby, even though they aren’t dinosaur-typed.

[cosmic gull]

Dinosaur are hard as hell

Kaido is not so durable

[bronze palm]

Kaido is a fish at the end of the day.

[pure raven]

I more with the idea that oda temporized a lot becuase he do 10 thing in the same time, so they wake up again again and again, but they're not the only ones

There is a lot of "healing" or "resurection" who are not antic zoans

[cosmic gull]

Kaido is only durable because is Yonko and powerful

[bronze palm]

Ye I agree cuz it wouldn’t make sense for Page one to just die from an attack

[cosmic gull]

Page one getting KOed with everyone

[pure raven]

I don't say he will wake up as everyone, but usopp will need his power up as the others
He can come back at the end, angry, a little bit like orochi will do " waking up at the end to make shit in the place"

[waxen dust]

The final battle will be Page One vs everyone and he jobs to everyone’s special attacks

[bronze palm]

So you’re just gonna think Page One is never getting back up despise tough durability of these dinosaur Zoans?

[limpid sequoia]

You're forgetting that Enma was made by the same swordsmith as Kuina's blade

[bronze palm]

Can’t wait for Black Maria vs Robin though

[cosmic gull]

Hey we have to see Enma black Blade I forgot X(

[pure raven]

I'm just avoiding to "predict" something, a lot of stuff can happen
I tought since his defeat he will be back

[waxen dust]

Hopefully armament haki for Robin, it needs to happen

[pure raven]

But that's only my opinion

[bronze palm]

Ye but I don’t think her power is able to take down a Zoan user tbh

[cosmic gull]

Armament Haki grabs balls

[pure raven]

Yeah indeed, that was the grandfather of kuina
If zoro is genetically bond to shimotsuki it can be a legit legacy