manga-theories

[bronze palm]

Fair enough.

Nami with Zeus is pretty strong now due to the fact Zeus is able to change forms and shapes in the ClimaTact and allowing him to be useful to Nami.

[weary cliff]

Oh yeah, super great powerup. We're definitely in the age of equipment based powerups. Zoro, Sanji and Chopper also got something. Makes me excited to see what's in store for Franky and Usopp

[bronze palm]

The only power up I’m excited about is Robin, I feel like she can sprout as many arms as possible (like Netero from HXh, Buddha) just something similar of it, not exactly the same thing

[weary cliff]

Until she can do something with all those arms, like 1000x shigan or just basic haki, it won't do much to these yonko executives

[bronze palm]

To be honest, I want the next chapter to be about Nami, Usopp, Tama and Zeus again but I don’t think that’s going to happen

[craggy pumice]

Well she wouldnt sprout all those arms and then doing nothing with them

[bronze palm]

It’s impressive how Zeus is a side character and he got 2 chapters for himself, the one when Hera “gobbled him up” and the chapter when he explained how he escaped, which is the recent chapter lol.

[outer locust]

Same

[charred tapir]

Will big mom just take him away again next time

Chopper will be op if he start learning how to use haki, to blacken his fists. Same apply to robin/ franky

[shrewd dune]

Robin havent beat black maria yet 😦

[jade lake]

What if voice of all things is basically Advanced observation-conquerer’s halki

[weary cliff]

It's not that unreasonable. Every user besides Momonosuke is a confirmed for conquerors

[snow herald]

Wr have a cut cut fruit I wonder if we'll see a break break fruit. A fruit that allows you to break things into pieces.

[somber sphinx]

Kuja pirates all have COA?

[wild veldt]

pretty much

[somber sphinx]

i think all the warlords we care about are gonna go to the new world and will be in the last fight

[mild kite]

The 'strawhat chapter order theory' took a hit this chapter. Nami was supposed to be next; unlikely she has another notable moment in the next few chapters

[fallow knot]

Still wondering who has corazan's fruit

[somber sphinx]

she should be mobbing next. the numbers need to be thinned out

Ussop is the one who needs a moment in Enies lobby and dressrosa next. a moment no other strawhats can do and is pivotal in the fight

[mild kite]

hopefully the theory comes true

[pure raven]

Imagine

[gloomy canyon]

@pure raven deleted it because it contained pretty major bleach spoilers

[pure raven]

Sorry

[gloomy canyon]

all good

[somber sphinx]

Chopper's Human human fruit gotta have some kinda awakening available, i mean its the human human fruit, so unique a zoan.

[tribal belfry]

he prolly gonna have a rlly strong hybrid form

[grizzled fog]

Chopper? His hybrid form is his tiny form he’s always in lol

[tribal belfry]

Robin, Chopper, and Brook still have yet to awaken. That'll prolly be their buffs before one piece ends

[grizzled fog]

Highly doubt they’ll all awaken

[deep egret]

I doubt Chopper will ever awaken considering his role within the crew. I do think Robin will eventually unlock haki with her fight in Ongishmama

With Brook i dont rlly know probably yes tho

[sacred hawk]

Considering how long it took for the monster trio to master basic haki, I don't see them awakening it and being able to use it to the point where they can fight effectively

[tribal belfry]

I think only buff Chopper could get at this point is a DF awakening

and he needs a buff desperately

[sacred hawk]

And honestly, I don't like the idea of all the straw hats having to learn haki, since it kind of feels a little one-note for them to all get the exact same powerup considering their different fighting styles

[deep egret]

Well we can't really say it took the trio the full 2 year to unlock haki especially for luffy he had already used it before in marineford and boas arc or smth

[tribal belfry]

Robin getting haki might be too OP since she can extend her body anywhere

[deep egret]

I don't see robin beating black maria without a powerup imo

[tribal belfry]

I mean she has Brook for some reason too lol

[deep egret]

yeah true

Brook would probably take out the underlings

[sacred hawk]

Two years to master it, not unlock it. Because all the times Luffy used haki before the timeskip were unintentional

[deep egret]

I would guess then after wano they would go to elbaf find shanks and train with him and his crew so most of strawhats learn haki ( robin and brook only need it imo )

[ancient vault]

train? theres no time for training, shanks is getting his ass beat and we going to laugh tale

[wicked cairn]

.So the way the anime adapted the Kidd's attack on Kaido's ship, and also the way his first attack against Kaido was named, "Punk Vise: Punk Rotten", has me thinking about the way Kidd's attack and naming scheme works.

In the manga, kidd just used Punk Rotten, and it wasn't shown how he destroyed it, but later we find out that punk rotten is a mech.
In the anime however, Kidd just uses a transformation called "Punk Vise", which gives him two giant metal arms and there was no mech that was drawn or even foreshadowed.

Even though the anime adaptation could just be a non-canon attack/form, Punk Vise by itself could very well be a valid transformation, due to the fact that Kidd's whole lineup of attacks aren't really attacks, they are just transformations. In fact, the only two named techniques that were revealed were "Repel" and "Slam Gibson."

Punk Gibson is a transformation that gives a giant string of metal to wield as a weapon. I don't even think of it as a metal arm anymore because of the way he used it to attack Apoo, and then pull Apoo back to him to confront him.

Notice how in the picture below that Punk Gibson is oddly disjointed
https://imgur.com/wHnenmZ.png

And in this one "stretches" the string of metal out
https://imgur.com/KkpyGAo.png

And how there is a large clunk of metal right beside the string of metal that connects to his arm, almost as if it is whipped back
https://imgur.com/I8IYiW7.png

Punk Pistols gives Kidd access to ranged attacks by transforming one of his arms into a Gatling Gun he can use to rapidly fire metal objects. Punk Pistols could also
be a much more complete transformation as it seems to have changed the look of his other arm?
https://imgur.com/V7IEuS4.png
Maybe he recycles metal or collects metal with his other arm?

Punk Vise is a transformation that creates two giant metal arms, and as the name implies( vise: a heavy clamping device used to hold or compress ), and also the form he used for the specific purpose, he uses it to crush his opponents. I can imagine the giant arms and the use of repel to help accomplish the purpose of this form, but other than that, Kidd definitely has more transformations to serve other purposes, but if he wanted to crush something punk vise would be the transformation.

Punk Rotten is a mystery transformation to me still. But I think I figured it out and that Punk Rotten is a protective mech that Kidd uses to protect himself from damage. I think the first attack Kidd used against Kaido wasn't an attack at all, but a double transformation. He creates Punk Rotten first, and while doing so says he wants to crush Kaido to death, and then creates Punk Vise( at the same time he made Punk Rotten, but didn't call out Punk Vise til the first attack.)

What does Punk Rotten do though? Kidd could have just armored himself metal to protect himself, but why a Mech? And why a Mech with a skull-head on it that seems to be animated? Is the skull on Punk Rotten the reason why Kidd was able to so easily regenerate Punk Vise, meaning that damaging the skull inhibits Punk Rotten's regenerative abilities? Or does it serve another purpose, like Kidd being able to use his transformations remotely?

Having his attacks be transformation-based, he can definitely be haki conservative, especially when using Punk Rotten so he can regenerate metal easily.

tl;dr: kidd's attack schemes are transformation-based, and he can merge transformations and punk rotten isn't just some armored mech with gorilla strength,

why did it embed the images at the bottom, why

being the psychopath he was made out to be pre-timeskip, punk gibson(magnetic string) was also used as a torture transformation, which is why he used it before the small-time captain kendiyo was crucified. because apoo didn't die in the first shot, kidd was able to sling him around and pull him in and interrogate him with it

instead of using gibson as a giant tentacle, why not equip it with a sharp tip in the palm or curve off into a blade instead? or better yet, use it torture someone and slam them around yelling "slam gibson"

kidd isn't like luffy, he didn't want to kick kaido's ass or KO Kaido, he stated he wanted to take his "head." he wanted to find a way to torture kaido before killing him, which is what i think he spent all fight trying to accomplish. he probably swapped out of punk rotten because it didn't have any use for him. punk rotten was a safety measure so he could use punk vise to hold kaido in place and crush him to death without kaido getting a direct hit on kidd(he'd have to attack through the mech first)

one last note, this may give insights into kidd's fighting style. it isn't some conservation principle, but instead torture. if he wanted to grab kaido and slam him around until he breaks, he should have just used punk gibson + punk rotten(or just punk gibson if he is quicker than kaido).

he first started by wanting to crush kaido, and then after kaido went hybrid he started experimenting further with punk pistols, ending punk rotten and punk vises's transformations and using ranged piercing attacks against hybrid kaido(probably because of kaido's speed,it became hard for him to land attacks or keep him in place long enough to crush him.)

if you are wondering why kidd isn't as battle damaged as the others, and was ready to keep going, even ready to go take on big mom, well there you have it, he went from being in basically a tank to fighting from distance.

kidd maybe has a transformation that gives more piercing power than punk pistols, but also may be too heavy and therefore slow him down to not impose any risks against hybrid kaido AND big mom

[dusky acorn]

Punk Vise by itself could very well be a valid transformation, due to the fact that Kidd's whole lineup of attacks aren't really attacks, they are just transformations
Yep, I've always agreed with this line of thinking for Kid's moveset, most of his techniques just happen to double as attacks.

Punk Pistols could also be a much more complete transformation as it seems to have changed the look of his other arm? Maybe he recycles metal or collects metal with his other arm?
I think he can literally just reshape his arms into whatever just on the fly, and pretty fluidly at that. In chapter 1015, his left arm also appears to be a cannon now with the cylindrical shape/way he was aiming it, and there didn't seem to be any fingers to resemble a hand on the end of it. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/687170247572193438/853530180663377950/unknown.png

I'd say Pistols has its own, stronger version while in Rotten as well, where he could have changed his gigantic arm into that harpoon gun too.

Or does it serve another purpose, like Kidd being able to use his transformations remotely?
Oh, don't know if this is what you're alluding to but this gave me an idea: Kid getting out of the mech and just being able to control it from afar with Rotten as its own isolated fighter. He'd remain as his own person this way, and be able to double team over people in battles if this was possible.
Of course, there would need to be even more metal to go around for Kid to have enough for himself while outside of it, as well as a lot of magnetic precision on his part as he controls both himself and the robot, but it'd be great. Cool write-up!

[wicked cairn]

thanks shimon

Kid getting out of the mech and just being able to control it from afar with Rotten as its own isolated fighter. He'd remain as his own person this way, and be able to double team over people in battles if this was possible.
If Kid could do this that would be so OD, I wonder if he would be able to sustain CoA hardening on it from afar as well. Also, Rotten being able to be used remotely makes sense if he wants to torture someone, it feels threatening to fight both Kidd himself and this giant demonic mech together.

If Kid has good endurance in regards to using his devil fruit, a solo Punk Rotten would be nearly invincible because it can just keep regenerating itself as long as Kidd is conscious.

[trim flicker]

So bigmom is obviously very strong and very durable, but shes not very intelligent. Basically she's hulk with extra soul powers. So it stands that she could be beaten with similar strategies. If kid can cover her in metal and lift her off the ground, she wont have footing to use her strength (obv gotta beat the homies too) and if they then transport the floating raging woman far enough away, she wont be much of a threat. Famously they tossed hulk into space, but giving bigmom a Punk Iron Maiden and dropping her back in the sea would suffice as a win for now

[formal quest]

She won't be battle smart cause she's very powerful physically but I think she is very smart
She obviously has a good plan to take Kaido's poneglyph so I don't think she's gonna be defeated in Wano

[fathom matrix]

She is intelligent, but when she's in her hunger pains state, she goes mad

and TBH she's probably worse to handle then

[tropic cape]

Kid getting out of the mech and being able to control it from afar

Wouldn’t that be outside the scope of his devil fruit? Since oda revealed it is the magnet-magnet fruit then Kid should only be able to use metal attached to him to repel/control using magnetism or use magnetism to attract the metal to himself.

I’m not sure I remember an instance where Kid manipulated metal and it wasn’t flying away from him or towards him.

[mellow berry]

Imagine if Kidd and Frankie had a moment together

[raven stratus]

theoretically this could just be his own skill limitation, and using magnets to push magnets around ala magneto might be a much stronger power like doffy using intestinal strings

[teal nymph]

compared to magneto (x- men) kidd 's kit seems to be lacking as both have similar power

[tropic cape]

Good point, but it’s worth wondering whether Kid can transfer magnetism to other metals because only specific types of metals like iron and nickel can be used as magnets due to their electron makeup and as far as we know Kid is the only magnet between him and the metals he’s using.

What would be cool is if his magnetic field is constantly expanding due to his use of the devil fruit and eventually he would be able to control the magnetism in the air a hundred feet away from him instead of his immediate surroundings. However, all we’ve seen is Kid only using the magnetism produced by his own body to attract and repel metals. He would probably have to turn another metal into a magnet because I’m not sure magnetic fields work like how I just described lol

[raven stratus]

the idea would be exactly that, turning metals into magnetics, probably iron-related items as that is most effective

get enough of them and you could theoretically use them, albeit not as freely as smth like magnetos power. depends on ur cunning i guess

idt it has to be anything super big, like an awakening or anything, but creative use can grt you far (see: gears)

[red obsidian]

Hey guys so I have a theory. I think Shanks is Rocks son. I know you’re probably saying that’s not a new theory but, I was thinking about it the other day and during marine Ford, it’s stated that Shanks met with Kaido before coming. A lot of people believe They fought and Shanks is so strong that he didn’t get a dent but I don’t think so. Now, I’m not saying Shanks isn’t strong but I think Kaido sees Shanks like a son since he’s the son of his captain. Roger probably adopted Shanks at god valley and Kaido was too weak to do anything about it. Roger revealed all this to Shanks before he passed. Kaido respects how far Shanks has come and actually loves him that’s why he hasn’t gone it to real battle with him. Shanks probably approached him some years before marine Ford and they battled before Shanks revealed his heritage and that’s why we see Shanks as part of the people Kaido said are worthy enough to face him.

[shadow jewel]

Shanks was a child during Odens flashback 23 years ago. God Valley War was 40+ years ago

And you have no proof, just guessing

[weak arrow]

Shanks was 1-2 years old when god valley happened, as was Bb and buggy

[shadow jewel]

Oh

[night jewel]

there is plenty of proof for this now atleast. He was an year old when god valley incident, whitebeard was reminded of "the scars given to him by someone" because of shanks, and oda recently slightly hinted at this in an SBS as well when someone asked him a question about rayleigh's " This reminds me of old days" statement when he was holding momo as a baby.

ofc, the whitebeard thing could still be referencing roger, but with the newer "hint" from oda in a SBS question, i am starting to believe that it really was about rocks

[weak arrow]

But yeah, Buggy and Shanks both don’t have their names revealed. I definitely see a world where Buggy is a CD and Shanks is the son of Rocks or vice versa. Blackbeard actually does have his name revealed but inb4 it’s his mother’s to parallel Ace

[visual plinth]

GodValley was 38 years ago and shanks is 39 if i recall correctly so it is possible it's a pretty good theory

[shadow jewel]

Age matching isnt proof

[tired osprey]

whats the fun if there's proof already? kills all the speculation and theories

[modest skiff]

I mean there’s only so much proof a theory can have. We don’t have birth certificates

[shadow jewel]

Well then it's just a hypothesis/guess

[weary cliff]

That's all this channel is lol

Speculation with what bits of evidence we have

[shadow jewel]

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence

[pastel summit]

age isn't proof, but it's supporting evidence.

[shadow jewel]

My whole point, is that there's like no evidence for anything. Even less evidence than a "usual" one piece theory

[pastel summit]

I mean, plenty was given to you. There are a lot of theories that have literally no evidence at all

[weak arrow]

There’s plenty of evidence and implications which is why multiple people are even able to come up with this theory on their own.

[pastel summit]

I would say Shanks being a kid on Roger's ship, on top of his age coinciding with being a baby at the time, on top of no given family name, on top of the rayleigh comment, is pretty good evidence that Shanks could've been some kind of orphan of the god valley incident. same applies to buggy as well.

[weary cliff]

Sure, if we were actually trying to prove anything. But the only proof will come in the manga. In the meantime, we speculate

[weak arrow]

The only evidence for momo and the 4 scabbards being time travelers would literally be momo saying “hey I saw Roger” and that theory would turn out true. This Shanks theory has more evidence than momo is a time traveler for example.

[pastel summit]

and from there, it's kind of a blind guess, yeah, but there are numerous different possibilities, one of which, is him being xebec's son.

momo time travel was also almost outright dismissed by majority of the community despite it being true in the end.

[visual plinth]

like the others mentioned how we don't know shanks full name and rogers statement while holding newborn momo oda implying that there's more to it in the SBS, whitebeard's when he saw shanks also something subtle but when roger told garp "a newborn child bears no sin" and trusted garp enough to leave the life of his child in garp's hands he had to be confident that they share the same belief well how would he know they have the same belief? if a similar incident had occurred before with a child of a heinous criminal hmm makes u think

I'm sorry for using anime screenshots just easier to find then manga panels

[weary cliff]

I was on the fence about this whole Rocks D Shanks thing, but that point about Garp has me supporting it. Good catch

[shadow jewel]

I guess

[night jewel]

its fine, those two scenes are present in the manga too so the anime screenshot doesn't make the point worse here even if its better to usually use manga instead

[modest skiff]

No one is saying we are certain. We are spitballing rough theories for the sake of discussion. We aren’t trying to publish this.

[modest skiff]

I thought Garp was referring to Ace in that? The WB feels more convincing since he makes him remember an old wound

[night jewel]

he is referring to ace yea, but Karma is saying that maybe this belief of roger comes from a similar incident that he has experienced in the past

[modest skiff]

Yeah makes sense

[weary cliff]

Honestly, the WB line holds less weight for me, because I'm pretty sure in the same interaction he asks about Buggy. So it always felt like he was reminiscing about the Roger days. But Buggy could have as much to do with God Valley too

[pastel summit]

Buggy and Shanks could very well be both related to god valley, yeah.

[modest skiff]

Yeah similar to the Uranus/Joyboy discussions, it feels like we can place buggy/shanks in the same places without knowing which is which

[tough ibex]

i think the fact that roger trusted garp with his son means something happened in the past, which could be god valley incident

[night jewel]

well, he brings up buggy much later tbf, when he references Shanks' role as an apprentice on roger's ship. Those two things aren't strictly related i would say

[pastel summit]

the whole "pirate apprentice" thing seems very contrived, and most likely was just some title given to explain why they were on the ship without spoiling why. not like they are learning or doing anything different to other crewmates.

[modest skiff]

We’ll know when we see the color of Xebec’s hair lol

[weary cliff]

Split dyed blue and red. The ultimate twist

[last halo]

Purple

[modest skiff]

Shanks and Buggy Twins born from 2 different parts of Xebec lol

[weak arrow]

unfortunately Oda likes randomly giving people birthdays all the time, so this twin theory is already dead

[modest skiff]

Oh oh and BB is the 3rd part and BB intends to absorb Shanks and Buggy back into himself in order to finally achieve his 3 shadow dream or……something

Oh darn

I bet there’s so many theories already dead I have no idea about because I only joined the community like a month ago lol

[ember trench]

I don’t think Shanks and Buggy were originally on Roger’s ship all the way back in Orange Town when we got the flashback

[pure raven]

Yes, Back in impel down when marines discovered about Buggy's identity they said to buggy in den den mushi " You are also like a brother to red hair shanks ". I mean why did they use the word " Brother" instead of freind or ally. I think they were raised together as orphans by RPs

[visual plinth]

Orange town flashback. That was Rayleigh

call back to the same scene in the wano flashback

[ember trench]

Might not have been Rayleigh at the time

Just a first mate character

[supple magnet]

Bro it’s Rayleigh

[visual plinth]

the point is they were on Roger's ship u said they weren't during the early flashback

[pseudo citrus]

I think it's the same thing if you look at marco's first appearance... it's just that the characters got more fleshed out later

[ember trench]

You missed the point of what I said then lol

Obviously they were on Roger’s ship

[pure raven]

That guy is marco?

[pseudo citrus]

I assume so... here's the manga for comparison

[visual plinth]

.....u literally said that but just nvm lol

[tired osprey]

He means the story retconned it being rogers ship, dont think theres any evidence to support either side yet

[weak arrow]

well, shanks has a straw hat

imo, oda planned this roger -> shanks -> luffy plot line at the very minimum soooo

[ember trench]

The hat thing at least yeah

[amber oar]

Rocks D. Tar

[weary cliff]

But in both flashbacks it's Rayleigh. The design from 20 years ago isn't exactly like we're used to, but Oda tied them with the same weird facial hair and having him interrupt the same argument.

Nvm I see the potential retcon. Like making what Shanks did in chapter 1 haki later

[granite bluff]

retcon or foreshadowing ?

[pure raven]

Oda plans out a lot and slowly gets more concise as the deadline comes in; the only thing that I'd consider a major actual retcon is Sanji not knowing that Luffy ate the gum gum fruit early on and seemingly had no idea what devil fruit were which was changed later on in thriller bark

[hollow grotto]

Is there still debate on Yamato having CoC or not?

[visual merlin]

yes

[modest skiff]

Think we just don't know enough

[hollow grotto]

fair enough

[amber oar]

we just saw a black spark from a distance and can't really tell if it's a clash or an one-sided attack

I fully expect Yamato to have CoC anyway, now Oda made it a mandatory powerup for the endgame its rarity has been loosening

[hollow grotto]

I just thought I'd add this, not sure if it helps or not though

[modest skiff]

Theory: While lots of people have CoC, an extraordinarily small number of people reach (blank) with CoC. So CoC means you have a chance of being something unbelievably special, but you are otherwise just extremely special. Not sure what it is, but I think CoC can do something

[amber oar]

is every black thunderbolt CoC though?

[hollow grotto]

that's the issue, I have no idea

I'm not well-versed in the OP world enough to know so I wanted to try and get more opinions on it lol

[weak arrow]

The answer is no, not every black thunderbolt is. However, if you want Yamato not to lose within a minute, she probably has CoC coating.

[hollow grotto]

ty, that's good to know

[modest skiff]

Good logic. Either Yamato's fight is utterly pointless or she has CoC lol. Now that I typed this, it sounds sarcastic, but just to be clear, this is not sarcasm lol

[amber oar]

!headcanon I guess so. Because there's this panel (Just using the command as a shortcut, not to claim headcanon) and I doubtg Ulti has CoC

!headcanon2 It was this one lol, I fucked up

[lone hedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/486983010025996299/814175126403940402/Untitled-1.png

[weak arrow]

It would mostly be Sanji showing it off vs page one

[hollow grotto]

ahh, so do black lightning strikes mean at least one of the two has it, or has it not been explained?

[amber oar]

not explained

[sand sail]

Black lightning is just shown to depict a powerful blow

[hollow grotto]

Ah alright, fair enough.

[sand sail]

Conqueror's, as we've seen as far as utilization with imbuing, does give a fat, thick and almost solid streak of black behind it

That's about the only way we can really determine it directly without seeing every other effect, or someone calling it out. Having said that, Yamato does kind of have to have it, since Kaido's using it to hit her

And it became a seemingly equal clash, and not just a one shot where Yamato got floored, lol. But, it is debatable still, so we'll have to wait and see

[hollow grotto]

Glad that I was able to get some good answers, ty guys, but yeah, unless Yamato gets decked immediately, it seems more than likely for her to have CoC too

Not a guarantee but this helped clear up a bit of confusion I had

[trim flicker]

I pictured shanks ambushing him with a drinking contest, based on how he forced mihawk to drink with him and kaido doesnt need a big excuse to get wasted. Also a testament to shanks that he can out drink a 25 foot tall dragon man

[trim flicker]

Im sure he trained his kid quite well, since their gonna be shogun etc

[eager blaze]

so what do you guys thing roger's devil fruit is?

does he even have one

[languid rune]

Probably not

[pure raven]

think*

[eager blaze]

oh ya I whiffed

[weary cliff]

Probably not. He didnt show anything off in the flashback. He was even pretty comfortable taking a bath. We'll know for sure in the God Valley flashback if that happens

[eager blaze]

ya that will be hype

honestly, one of my favorite parts of one piece is when they show the lore in between arcs

[weary cliff]

Lore is much more interesting than fights. Shame fights need so long to resolve

[eager blaze]

Like we still need to know what happened in marie joe and what happeend with my queen jewelry bonney

[rain rivet]

he probably don't have one

[eager blaze]

damn, prime roger was a beast right

because oden could have killed kaido, or at the least was kinda closer. And roger shit all over oden

I need to requisition a dbz scaler to help me in my quest to find roger's true power lmao

[weary cliff]

Well the first half of the Oden flashback was showing how impressive he was, then Roger casually sends him flying. It pretty much hyped Roger and WB more than anyone

[eager blaze]

ya literally, the greatest line, "Kamusari"

[shy tusk]

There will be another time skip were shanks trains the crew and at the end of the timeskip shanks tells luffy he is going to die

[weary cliff]

Haki disease strikes again huh

[left field]

Does anyone here think there will be another timeskip? Because personally I feel that it’s unlikely, and if there is one I think it’ll only be after the Straw Hats depart so that Oda can show us what they’re all up to

[weak arrow]

At best we could get a few months timeskip or some shit, like if luffy had to travel the entire grand line again for whatever reason

The seaking said "10 years to be born, 15 years to mature." Oden said 20 years b4 his death, whatever shit is gonna go down, it's going down this year

[left field]

I personally believe he’s gonna have to travel through GL- paradise again to get to Mariejois

[weak arrow]

A montage of a few month timeskip in 1 chapter, sorta like how oden's was done, would technically not surprise me

but that would be the only timeskip

[left field]

Blackbeard has to get involved with the story again at some point, and from what we saw he wants to take an ancient weapon, which is in Alabasta

Alabasta is gonna come back in the story
A) To bring in ancient weapon(s) and BB into the story
B) Shirahoshi read a newspaper and reacted in a scared manner, saying Vivi’s name. Vivi is clearly in danger, and this is gonna provoke Luffy and the crew

[weak arrow]

Whatever involves, Vivi, the strawhats are gonna be unable to help.

[left field]

Yep, but either way it’s gonna provoke them to go against whoever captured/killed Vivi

Doubt she got killed tho, highly highly doubt it

[trim flicker]

Young kaido, lacking his later gains and nowhere near prime

Kinda think the next logical place is going to mariejoes to help sabo. Possibly while busy doing that BB will continue on to raftel and become king

[pure raven]

What do you think guys, is Luffy getting a gear 5 in this arc?

[eager blaze]

lmaooo

you are trolling right

also you are saying he would go all the way to the redline before becoming king

also how is the revolutionary army going to play into all this

[trim flicker]

Luffy will wanna rescue sabo when he finds out, delaying the OP be damned. And it would allow for a meetup with dragon cause its gonna take a lot to go to mjs and get it. My buddy is pretty set on the idea that blackbeard will become king first because of a bunch of circumstantial stuff but mostly because it would really drive him in as the final villain and luffy earning the PK title through beating him and taking the OP seems pretty logical. Granted it may be an off the walls theory but at the same time none of us is gonna predict what Odas gonna do accurately anyways

[jagged vigil]

Maybe Devil Fruit awakening

[trim flicker]

He especially wont want to let another brother die after losing ace. Also if luffy and dragon are rescuing sabo, i think garp is gonna end up having to choose and this time, having learned from last time i think hes gonna put family first

@eager aspen

[pure raven]

I disagree with a lot of this

[trim flicker]

Fair, its just me and my friends interpretation of where the story might go after wano. Weve got so little info on where to go from here that its only natural to speculate

[formal igloo]

why is Mihawk bounty not revealed yet, specialy now that we know all the yonkos bounties including Whitebeard and Roger

[visual merlin]

he's not a yonko

[cedar sinew]

because he's not a yonko

but I assume it'll be revealed when the marines go out to capture him

I can see it on the side w/ his name

[formal igloo]

i didnt mean why its not revealed in the Marines meeting, i mean why Oda is hiding it still

[visual merlin]

because Mihawk has yet to get dedicated time to him

besides baratie which was early

we'll hopefully get it with the other warlords after wano

[pure raven]

yeah the warlords hopefully get an update afterwards due to the rev

[mild kite]

I thought Oda would give us the warlords bounty first. It's going to be underwhelming now since the warlord bounties are going to be so much lower than the emperors

[formal igloo]

thats true, no named attacks, no info, no bounty reveal, he will play a big part later for sure

[cyan berry]

Warlords were always going to have a lower bounties than emperors

Their bounties got frozen once they got recruited by the WG

[mild kite]

yeah obviously

I meant their updated bounties

[formal igloo]

i dont think his bounty will be low, but it was frozen and now its not, also mihawk was famous before the Great pirate era even started, and he is legendary now, having a small bounty will not fit at all

[mild kite]

I have no idea on mihawks bounty

[grizzled fog]

It won’t be small, but it’s definitely not gonna be close to any emperor except Bb. Keep in mind Mihawk doesn’t even have a crew

[jagged vigil]

prob around 2b for him

[formal igloo]

so you think in order to have a high bounty you need to have a crew and be a yonko ? or be a leader of an army like dragon ?

[visual merlin]

all warlords should have reasonable bounties since its no longer frozen

I would think something like 1.7 for mihawk

[grizzled fog]

Yeh that sounds reasonable law, I could see it like 1.5

[cedar sinew]

in orderr to have a high bounty you need to pose a bigger threat to to the wg

a yonko army poses more threat than a solo man

[formal igloo]

so the guy who has the title of the world strongest swordsman and the reason why shanks became famous after all the duels they had, have a bounty of 1.5 or 1.7 ? the guy who can skip warlord meetings, and act as he wish even during marinford ? the guy who shocked big names and ready to attack whitebeard ? dosnt make sense

[visual merlin]

1. Yes
2. Non canon
3. Yes
4. All of the warlords are like that
5. All the warlords did that
6. Lots of characters do that
7. got stopped by jozu

[cedar sinew]

yes the guy who's in charge of the opposing side of the entire mf fight has a higher bounty than one of the forces of the marines

[formal igloo]

got stopped by jozu ? even when he aimed a slash at luffy daz bone stopped it with ease, cause he didnt want to cut steel, and he stopped for a moment to confirm its daz bone and then he one shotted daz

[mild kite]

What do you think Mihawks bounty is?

[cyan berry]

!bounties @formal igloo

[lone hedge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/164971940648321024/627040439953784862/unknown.png?width=800&height=349

[formal igloo]

clearly that namless 1 arm atttack wasnt meant to cut jozu

[grizzled fog]

Is trying to attack whitebeard supposed to be impressive? Crocodile did that

[cyan berry]

oh whoops this is the wrong command

[cedar sinew]

!bounty

[lone hedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/164970986284777473/700439598383366204/image0.png

[cyan berry]

thanks

[visual merlin]

then why did he cut ice when trying to cut luffy

either way, yes stopped by jozu

[formal igloo]

its not attacking whitebeard that is impressive, its trying to act is what is impressive to the other big names, cause usualy mihawk dosnt do anything cause he is bored

[visual merlin]

for the record also, Squard, fodder, and Crocodile were also ready to attack WB

ah and John giant

[cedar sinew]

"its trying to act is what is impressive"

please what does that sentence even mean

[mild kite]

I think Oda can justify Mihawk being in the 2 bil range. Mihawks bounty could be as low as 1 bil

[visual merlin]

it should just be below BB at least

[cedar sinew]

and other big names don't matter. The only thing that matters is the wg's perception

[visual merlin]

1.7 sounds reasonable to me personally

[formal igloo]

i see loool

[grizzled fog]

Idk why that seems to unreasonable to you

[jagged vigil]

I don't get people who put Mihawk on yonko level , we have no feats to justify this even tho I love Mihawk

[formal igloo]

the world strongest swordsman, with a bounty of 1,7 , alright

[cedar sinew]

1.5~2.2 range if I had to guess

[mild kite]

No i think Oda can have mihawks bounty over bb and would be able to justify it.

[mild kite]

same way rayleigh probs has a higher bounty than bb

[cyan berry]

the world's strongest swordman also chills at some deserted for most of his time

[jagged vigil]

for sure right hand to the Pirate King

[cyan berry]

until he decides to bully east blue pirates

He poses no threat to the government

well, posed

he's currently fighting with marines right now

[formal igloo]

the guy is bored, its just how his character is, he lost intreset after shanks lost his good arm

[cedar sinew]

then you just explained it yourself

[cyan berry]

^

[cedar sinew]

he's bored so he doesn't do anything

therefore his bounty is lower than a yonko

[jagged vigil]

[cedar sinew]

I would assume he only became a warlord in the first place to stop having marine ships try to track him all the time, unlike the others who use the title to accomplish a certain goal

[formal igloo]

Mihawk is soo underrated its insane xD

[cyan berry]

no one here is underrating Mihawk

everyone here is well aware of what he's capable, and also what he's like

[formal igloo]

now i know what people mean when they say that most of the one piece community dont think highly of the world strongest swordsman

[cedar sinew]

Maybe the person with the mihawk pfp refusing to read panels written by Oda explaining the exact topic is the one overrating him

just a thought

[formal igloo]

no one knows what he's capable of, haha no one

[cyan berry]

and from what we've seen of Mihawk, he doesn't pose a threat to the World Government

[mild kite]

They could be underestimating mihawk, lets wait a couple dozen chapters

[visual merlin]

Unfortunately, that is all he has going for him, how strong he is

[formal igloo]

having someone at yonko level roaming the sea as he wish is not a threat ? they were forced to end the warlord system at revire thanks to the voting, otherwise i think the world goverment would want to keep mihawk at bay as they though they are

[visual merlin]

he's not going to be way stronger than BB, so without a crew, without causing as much trouble, without allies, etc

it only makes sense his bounty would be lower

[formal igloo]

i can link a youtube video here ?

[visual merlin]

yea, but what for?

[left field]

I can’t wait to get more detail on Mihawk, easily one of the most mysterious characters out there

[cyan berry]

he's really not

[left field]

Umm

[formal igloo]

indeed he is, but incase you guys didnt watch this, please do https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF8-FSlGrGs&t=35s

[mild kite]

@formal igloo Im with you tho. Id want Mihawk to have a bounty in the 2 b range

[left field]

We have no idea how he became the world’s best swordsman, who his parents/siblings are, how he’s gonna be incorporated into the final war and if he even is, when he’s gonna fight Zoro, if he has any sort of relation to Zoro, etc

[mild kite]

I dont think we will ever know

[cyan berry]

really? we don't how the WORLD'S STRONGEST SWORDSMAN became the strongest?

surely you can fill in the gaps yourself

Also most characters in this series dont have siblings or parents

[visual merlin]

most of these things you could say for any character though

[left field]

You’re not wrong there

[cyan berry]

"how he’s gonna be incorporated into the final war" isn't a mystery, that's just speculation

[left field]

I mean we still don’t even know enough about Luffy yet

[cyan berry]

we know almost everything there is to know about Luffy

[left field]

Oda is gonna reveal soooooo much about the world building, plot and characters later in the story, he will

[jagged vigil]

We know everything except for who his mother is

[left field]

We’ve had huge reveals left and right, and all they’ve ever done is give more questions than answers

And Oda will answer most if not all of those questions because the god himself has done that all throughout One Piece

[signal dock]

Guys there is a huge leak for the next chapter

[cyan berry]

No there aren't, and even if there were, this channel wouldn't be the place for them

[umbral flame]

If there actually is dm me

But spoilers usually don’t come this early so I don’t know if I trust it

[cyan berry]

There aren't. Please stop derailing chat with fake rumors

anyway

[left field]

His mother, now that’s indeed an interesting mystery

Apparently we’ve already seen her

[umbral flame]

I think she changed dragon for good considering his cold demeanor

[jagged vigil]

Crocodile?

[umbral flame]

Crocomom crocomom crocomom

[left field]

Wow how’d u know

[formal igloo]

sorry im back, the wielder of yoru which is one of the 12 supreme blades in the series and the strongest black blade, the guy with one of the titles ( the strongest) like kaido and whitebeard, have a low bounty ? just makes no sense at all, just because someone isnt a yonko dosnt mean he cant have a high bounty, and plz enough with this Jozu stuff, if mihawk cant cut jozu then no one can cut diamond in the world of one piece

[visual merlin]

1.7 is not a low bounty

[cyan berry]

^

[left field]

Facts

[cyan berry]

having a lower bounty than an emperor is not a low bounty

[umbral flame]

Who do you guys think possesses yoru?

[formal igloo]

lool, it is a low bounty, its like its a yonko's underling, come on

[visual merlin]

wdym possesses

[jagged vigil]

If you look at episode 0 we see Crocodile from the back only his face is not shown and it kind of looks feminine , and then you have Ivankov threatening Crocodile with his secret , plausible theory that he used to be a woman

[cyan berry]

Yoru is Mihawk's sword

[sand sail]

It makes sense, he's not an Emperor

[cyan berry]

wym possess

[visual merlin]

it's not low, it's just not as high as the emperors

[sand sail]

So he probably should have an Emperor's underling's bounty more so

[umbral flame]

Ohhhhh I got confused thought it was whitebeards that was left at his grave

[sand sail]

I can't see him even breaking much more than 1 billion

[maiden solar]

Is Mihawk getting rusty just chillin around all day drinking wine? Zoro out here cutting up Kaido now

how much longer does he need to train before he can actually fight Mihawk?

[visual merlin]

Im sure he swings the sword a bit every day

[umbral flame]

That could be said about majority of one piece characters, time travels very slow in the one piece world

[cyan berry]

Mihawk is currently fighting off the number of marines coming after him

[formal igloo]

i dont know, but i know that mihawk's promise to zoro is to stay at best shape until zoro is ready

[left field]

I don’t know why ppl obsess over ppl’s bounties and how they should be revealed/higher, like stop having fantasies of ppl having higher power status, the main reason why I love the characters is their personality, learning about their pasts, and how they will be incorporated into the main story

[mild kite]

Yeah laww thats what he means lol. Hes speaking in relative terms

[visual merlin]

its also not low compared to BB, it's just lower

[maiden solar]

@formal igloo good point.

[visual merlin]

compared to the other yonko though sure

which is fine, he's not an emperor

[formal igloo]

thanks

[visual merlin]

1.7 would also put his bounty above Luffy, Kata, Marco, Queen, and most likely King as well

unlikely that Shiryuu's bounty is higher than 1.5 either

So Mihawk's bounty would potentially be over every commander's

though who knows about Benn

[mild kite]

Benn could easily be in the 2 bil range

[maiden solar]

Who is benn?

[visual merlin]

benn beckman, Shanks' vice captain

[left field]

We know so little about that crew

Doesn’t matter though, cause we will learn more about em eventually

[mild kite]

Cant wait till Oda starts hyping Mihawk up before his inevitable duel with Zoro

[left field]

I’m just curious of when the duel is gonna happen and where

[grizzled fog]

I think around 1.6-2.0 is reasonable for Ben

[formal igloo]

i hope it happens after wano arc, like before the next arc starts

[jagged vigil]

yeah maybe , it was stated that Shanks' crew had the highest average bounty

[left field]

That would fill Zoro’s character plot line way way too fast

[cyan berry]

happening in the epilogue

no way to fit it in the series unless they somehow wind up on mihawk on some random island

[maiden solar]

Mihawk vs Zoro doesnt need to be a super amazing fight either! But Zoro should have everyone know. not just himself. Greatest Swordsman in the world is a badass title

[grizzled fog]

Definitely don’t think zoro will be ready to challenge Mihawk that soon

[cyan berry]

Mihawk has no reason to fight Luffy or his crew anymore

Considering he's no longer a warlord

[jagged vigil]

He has a promise with Zoro

[formal igloo]

we know the bounty of all the warlords, all the yonkos, even whitebeard and roger, oda didnt need to show Roger's bounty but he did, but mihawk's bounty is still hidden, now i dont say it will be higher than roger, but it could be anywhere below roger's bounty, but i really dont see it being 1.5 or 1.7 or even 2b like people say, thats too low and the reveal will be like meh after its been hidden for soo long, specialy when he is the world strongest swordsman and being legendary

[maiden solar]

It'd be a sparring match. They have no reason to fight

[left field]

There’s still Raftel and the final war versus the world gov and everything before those two, there’s no way Zoro is fighting Mihawk at the end of Wano or right after it

[cyan berry]

yes and that promise can be fullfilled in the epilogue

[jagged vigil]

nah it'll be a while yeah

[formal igloo]

other feats that we dont know about could be a reason for his bounty to be high, again he dosnt have to be a yonko to be high

[cyan berry]

Nightmare

A bounty is two things

[sand sail]

But it kind of can't, high bounty is based on crime and threat to the government

Mihawk doesn't do anything, he shouldn't have an extraordinarily high bounty

[cyan berry]

How much you power you have, and how big of a threat you are to the WG

[mild kite]

[pure raven]

You think he’ll have a higher bounty than black beard?

[cyan berry]

The only thing we know Mihawk has for sure is Power

[formal igloo]

we have no idea about mihawk, but the title of the strongest could make the world goverment fear his involvment in anything they want to do in the future

[sand sail]

The amount of power is only relevant because more power = more chaotic events too

If they feared him like that, he'd have probably been singled out among the Warlords as particularly troublesome

[cyan berry]

Some random citizen could have the title of World's Strongest Swordsman

[formal igloo]

THank you !!! exactly !

[left field]

Idc about Mihawk’s bounty, the exciting part about him is his eventual fight against Zoro and the fact that he has some sort of relationship with Shanks

[sand sail]

No, that's not good for your argument lol

[cyan berry]

the only reason he would have a bounty in the first place is because he's a pirate

[maiden solar]

Does Mihawk even chill on a raft anymore? hes in his own castle straight chilling. Very low threat.

[sand sail]

Mihawk has the power, but he doesn't flex it ever

So what is there to place a bounty on?

He could very fairly just sit at like 800-900 million as a bounty

And it'd be justified given his entire lack of action generally, even as a warlord

[formal igloo]

whatever made him the strongest ? the endless duels he had, i dont think he was dueling pirates or others only, there must be some marines that he dueled and probably caused chaos before

[sand sail]

But caused chaos before isn't really relevant now

[maiden solar]

I like that number. He lays low, but extremely powerful. I bet he may even like to fade into irrelevancy like Raleigh. Let the kids do all the fighting.

[cyan berry]

Rayleigh was the right hand man of the pirate king

but the marines still let him live relatively normally on Sabaody

He isn't a threat anymore

[mild kite]

Yeah but Rayleigh probs has a higher bounty than bb even tho the "chaos" he partook in isnt relevant now. Bounties dont go down

[cyan berry]

he's just an old man with a coating shop

[sand sail]

Rayleigh does not have a higher bounty than Blackbeard, i'd be willing to bet money on

[mild kite]

ehhhhh

[formal igloo]

i think if Marco's bounty gets revealed we will have a close idea on how high Rayleigh's bounty is

[sand sail]

Maybe, yeah

[maiden solar]

Could we use Zoro's to help pin point it? What is zoro at now? 800?

[formal igloo]

800 to 1 Bill i guess

[mild kite]

ill bet a name change on rayleigh's bounty being higher than bb. Unless bounties actually go down

[formal igloo]

btw, about Luffy's bounty after wano, if luffy did beat Kaido 1v1, that will make luffy's bounty around what ? can it actually be higher than kaido ? cause every enemy luffy defeated he always get a high bounty than that who he defeated

ofc not forgetting the raid and all the feats in wano that will determine why it is high

[mild kite]

depends on how many bounties increases after wano

[formal igloo]

i think X Drake will make sure he reports in details, and the CP 0 are there already

[mild kite]

I think this will be the penultimate bounty increase

[formal igloo]

indeed

[maiden solar]

Is CP0 and Drake's positions make them unable to give info directly to marines to increase their bounties? Wano is still closed off to the world. That news might be able to be spread, while Kaido's reign may be kept down low.

Does that make sense?

[formal igloo]

hmm, i think CP-0 and X Drake will leave wano and report, dont think they will be prisoners.

more like escape after Kaido and Orochi defeat

but taking down kaido is not all, what about Big Mom ? if she dosnt get defeated then how will they deal with her ? dont think she will just leave on her own

i dont see Big Mom escaping Wano after Kaido's defeat, which means someone must take her down and i dont see Law and Kid doing it lol

Big Mom is soo Fearless and arrogant, there is no way she will escape lol

as in run away

[maiden solar]

Yeah.. Big Mom is still a huge problem. Taking out kaido is the goal. but Big Mom is a yonko too. Either she leaves with her crew after Kaido has been taken down. or some sort of 'draw' is enacted between her pirates, strawhats, and the marines/wano

[formal igloo]

ya man

well CP-0 might be waiting for the defeat of Kaido or big mom (or both) or the defeat of the strawhats, some people are going to impel down after this lol

possibly

[jagged vigil]

CP0 is there to just notify the World Government of what happens later so the crew gets new bounties when they win

[formal igloo]

but you think they dont have Battleships on standby near Wano? you think if kaido is defeted they wont just capture him ? they have more than one reason to be there you know

[pure raven]

CP0 is related to the wg. Don't know if they really have that authority or not

[formal igloo]

i wonder

kaido was captured by the marines multiple times in the past lol, but the man has a bounty of 4,611,100,000, (Dead or Alive), him being defeated will make it ez to just capture him, he is a pirate after all, i dont think he will just be defeated and thrown out of wano and stay as a Yonko, the marine wont allow that to happen.

the less yonkos out there, the better for the world goverment

[grizzled fog]

Why would they waste battleships outside wano on the 1/1000000000000000 chance he actually gets defeated lol

[formal igloo]

well the Marines are always soo careful you know loool

[jagged vigil]

it'll be too much of a hassle to bring battleships , even the navy didn't want to get involved because they don't have enough resources currently to deal with Wano's situation

[formal igloo]

that is true, so does that mean Kaido will just remain as a yonko despite his defeat ? that will be crazy you know

i kinda feel like Big mom will just help Kaido escape, cause otherwise she will have no reason to run away since she is just fearless and reckless

but again, its crazy to have kaido defeated but still remain as a yonko

if he is not captured, then he will mostly stay as a yonko

[jagged vigil]

Honestly I don't know many things could happen

[formal igloo]

ya man, makes you think lool

lets talk about Carrot ! i think she will join the strawhats, she already asked luffy in Zou but he was too busy gathering food for the journy to whole cake island, but she sneaked into the ship following them and pedro haha, just like Nekomamushi and Dogstorm did back in Roger's day haha

[jagged vigil]

she could join

[formal igloo]

Yamato being the Oden of the strawhats wanting to Sail the Seas like he did with Roger

and Carrot being the Mink of the strawhats, just how Neko and Dogstorm were the 2 minks of the Roger Pirates

[jagged vigil]

yea , I don't know if Oda would want to make the crew too big though but I wouldn't mind them both joining

[formal igloo]

indeed, and if you think about it, Jimbei mostly was confirmed in fishman and officialy joined in Whole Cake Arc.
now Wano Arc is the biggest Arc weve ever seen in One Piece, have 2 new members to the strawhats is very Normal you know

[jagged vigil]

yeah

[formal igloo]

and Carrot helped the strawhats alot specialy in Whole Cake island when she turned to sulong, i hope i am right and we get both Yamato and Carrot joining, Hype !

[jagged vigil]

Well last chapter Yamato said she wants to sail with Luffy so it's pretty much confirmed I doubt Luffy will turn Yamato down

[formal igloo]

ya, why would he, i think he likes her specialy now that she will face kaido to hold him off until his return

and they had a short moment together also when she told him about the journal

[formal igloo]

man ive been telling my friends that Yamato will be a strawhats and they kept doubting me, Now they shut up about it haha, finally

[surreal halo]

i hope Yamato does join the crew it’ll be a great add

[jagged vigil]

Do you guys think Luffy will win against Kaido 1 v 1 in the rematch or he'll have help ?

[formal igloo]

ya man, and the moment Ive seen how much she Appreciate oden and want to defend him by acting as Oden, i knew that she will end up wanting to sail the seas with luffy just like how oden did with Whitebeard and Roger

[formal igloo]

well, i doubt it, but Luffy did many Miracles, and everyone having their hopes on luffy, even Sanji is calm and know that a miracle will happen, also yamato told kaido that she isnt the one that will defeat him, but she will hold him down until Luffy return

Kid and Law wont help him or have the time for it cause their hands are full fighting Big Mom, and Yamato will just get rekt but will try to hold kaido as much as possible so by the time luffy Reach she will be done for and unable to continue

[surreal halo]

the real question is how Luffy will defeat Kaido cuz really it’s bound to happen if he wants to become Pirate King

[jagged vigil]

New power up probably

[surreal halo]

And Onigashima is about to land on Wano

[quick scroll]

I think Luffy winning alone vs Kaido might be a bit too much, too early for him to level up from Yonko commander to Yonko level

winning with some help makes more sense

[formal igloo]

by mastering Ryo better, Coating conqueror haki better

[surreal halo]

So do u think Luffy will not defeat Kaido in wano? cuz he needs some time to train those abilities

[formal igloo]

cause obviously he failed to deliver good attacks yet, since its new to him, even kaido made fun of him lol

[surreal halo]

I think he had some pretty solid attacks

[visual merlin]

he wouldn't necessarily be doing that, since this would be after a lot of fighting on kaido's side

[formal igloo]

Luffy learns really really fast, look at how much he adapted and learned in all his fights after the 2 years time skip

specialy against Katakuri, his observation haki improved

[visual merlin]

Luffy by the end of this, if not already will probably be as strong as an admiral, and able to beat them in a fight

[quick scroll]

we do need to note he barely managed to beat Katakuri

[formal igloo]

i totally agree man, i mean the moment his conqueror haki blossomed and he started Coating it, that is it

[visual merlin]

yes but that was like 3 powerups ago

[formal igloo]

yap soo true

[quick scroll]

so from Katakuri to Kaido is a power up of a much higher scale

[visual merlin]

he wouldn't be making that jump

[formal igloo]

the point here is, Luffy is a very fast learner, like its insane how much he improved, and he learns during the fight

[visual merlin]

Kaido's fought 14 other people, and Luffy has been saved multiple times by teammates

[quick scroll]

true but Kaido has a lot of experience on his side as well, so while Luffy is sharpening his Axe figuratively, we dont know if Kaido has used his full power so far

[grizzled fog]

He might have 1 or 2 tricks left up his sleeve, but he’s most definitely been serious. He wasn’t holding back against luffy

[jagged vigil]

Honestly Luffy is very strong for his age imagine how powerful he'll be in another 5 years

[formal igloo]

his overall power growth is soo rapid, my god, luffy got this trust me, conqueror haki Coating ( Ryo) will be mastered in the rematch, and luffy always think about what went wrong during his fights, just like how he did in Udon after his first defeat

[formal igloo]

ya man haha, if another time skip happens then gg, omg haha

[surreal halo]

If another timeskip happens it’ll be so similar to the sabaody play out

[formal igloo]

but luffy will be too strong after this arc, regardless if he beat or not beat kaido

[grizzled fog]

I think he’ll reach a certain point and plateau in strength, or at least his growth will decrease MASSIVELY. So in 5 years he might not be much stronger than he is by the end of the series

[jagged vigil]

I'm not sure if there will be another time skip but there might be towards the end

[grizzled fog]

He’s not gonna grow at such an absurd rate forever

[formal igloo]

One Piece is ending in mostly 2025 or 2026, lets hope that Oda dosnt die or any of the voice actors, i pray haha

[jagged vigil]

please no

[formal igloo]

haha

[quick scroll]

yeah remember the hype around awakening in the Don Flamingo arc, it seems like that part of the story hasnt progressed yet

[formal igloo]

true, he will reach a point where he cant grow more, Pirate King level

[quick scroll]

so there are possibilities of power ups, but it may take more time

[formal igloo]

well it could progress in his rematch against Kaido ! so ya 😄

[jagged vigil]

I think Luffy is more likely to get awakening before a Gear 5

[formal igloo]

i agree, Gear 5 is just too soon

but can we talk about how Kaido was making fun of the Gumo Gumo no attacks 😄 haha

[jagged vigil]

Gomu Gomu no....Wororororororo

[formal igloo]

haha

lets see, so he said ( kaido: so you managed to coat your blows with conqueror haki, but your technique left a lot to be desired, what was it again? Gomu Gomu no? Wororororo)

haha, so baiscly Luffy yes did manage to coat conqueror haki with his attacks, but somthing is still off there with his Technique, as if its not polished yet

even kaido made fun of it, so i think luffy will show kaido an awakening here

and wtf did luffy do ? Telepathing with Momo by using the Voice of all things

dude luffy couldnt even Talk to Zunisha back in Zoe, but mom was able to

but look at him here in Wano after his latest defeat, he used the Voice of All things to give a message to Momo !! did he do it while drawning ? did he do it before landing in the Sea ? im telling you luffy's Growth is just insane

[grizzled fog]

Luffy couldn’t talk to zunesha because he isn’t a kozuki, zunesha ignored him

[formal igloo]

oh ! that makes sense !

[timid oxide]

! !

[ornate mesa]

Sanji’s advanced observation haki: the voice of all women. Sanji will have the ability to sense how all women are feeling and/or if they need help within a large radius from himself. I know this is funny but I’m serious he could actually have an ability like this

[formal igloo]

i cant agree more haha

[trim flicker]

My dumb idea for the shanks and kaido encounter pre marineford is that because shanks wasnt battle worn after, they probably talked instead of fought. And seeing how shanks peer pressured mihawk into drinking with him, i assume he took advantage of kaidos alcoholic tendencies and pressured him into getting to drunk to go

[left field]

Do u guys think we will get to see the Shanks Kaido encounter that happened pre-marineford

[jagged vigil]

Probably not , if we do it will be a while , I think it's something like the Aokiji vs Akainu fight tho only mentioned never shown sadly

[lilac pawn]

I got a OP theory, You see how kaido said "you aint joy boy either?
What if the reincarnated joyboy was the one supposed to defeat him in 20 years
And someone already tried the same year
So kaido think luffy aint him
but MAYYYBE HE IS
LUFFY IS NOT JOYBOYS WILL
HE IS HIS REINCARNATION
and nobody knows that the reincarnated joyboy is supposed to defeat him except kaido and toki

[jagged vigil]

Nah if they do a reincarnation type thing it'll ruin the story , One Piece is all about inherited will not reincarnations and stuff like that

[quiet pulsar]

^^^^^^

While I could see it, I don't want it

[vocal quest]

do yall think that zoro knew a basic form of haki in alabasta? if u read the manga he talks ab hearing the voices of things which gives me haki vibes

[jagged vigil]

yeah I'd say so since he was hearing the rhythm of things and dodged the rocks

[rigid wadi]

I got a OP theory, You see how kaido said "you aint joy boy either?
What if the reincarnated joyboy was the one supposed to defeat him in 20 years
And someone already tried the same year
So kaido think luffy aint him
but MAYYYBE HE IS
LUFFY IS NOT JOYBOYS WILL
HE IS HIS REINCARNATION
and nobody knows that the reincarnated joyboy is supposed to defeat him except kaido and toki
@lilac pawn Joy boy is a 900 years old figure, why would he have to defeat Kaido 800+ years after(or his reincarnation)

[lilac pawn]

maybe kaido has ancestors that joyboy hates so his reincarnation hates kaidos bloodline

Maybe luffy will ind out in a naruto talking to the sage of 6 paths type of way

[rigid wadi]

I don't imagine Joy boy as a hater kind of guy

[pure raven]

[jagged vigil]

Oh man...if Oda does that people will hate it

[rigid wadi]

Random question, who do you think will be the last Titanic Captain?

We only know 9 of them

[grizzled fog]

Knew? No he definitely didn’t know how to use one. But it’s possible he used haki, as a fluke. But he didn’t learn it til way later. Don’t think it is haki though personally

[grizzled fog]

#manga-theories message

I like this idea personally

[lilac pawn]

man you got me shit

Question, how do yall think luffy will defeat kaido? Or does he just not?

Also what you think the next arc would be?

[rigid wadi]

Kaido received quite a lot of hits. Imo next fight he will start feeling much more Luffy's hits(consider that he was first vs Luffy, now vs Yamato and then again vs Luffy, all of that after being cut by Zoro strongest move), and Luffy will do a final move with Conqueror Haki punches that will knock down Kaido

[pure raven]

I think Luffy might actually not have gone all the way with Kaido and that's a more accidental thing

[lilac pawn]

so just a fight of blows and no power ups

i personally think he will do gear 4th coated in conquers haki

so gear 5th or gear 4th: conquers edition

[pure raven]

Like we see Luffy attack Kaido with just CoC coating but never in a Boundman/Snakeman or even gear 2 form so I presume he'll be bringing that up unless Oda states he can only use CoC due to concentration or whatever

[rigid wadi]

I also think will be Gear 4 + Conqueror infused hits

Like we see Luffy attack Kaido with just CoC coating but never in a Boundman/Snakeman or even gear 2 form so I presume he'll be bringing that up unless Oda states he can only use CoC due to concentration or whatever
@pure raven nah he unlocked a new toy, Oda will make Luffy play with it

[jagged vigil]

Devil Fruit awakening maybe , or Gear 4th Ryuo + Conqueror's coating

[lilac pawn]

not awaken yet bro

[weary cliff]

Awakening is one power up too many this arc. Especially given now that he can project his voice somehow. Conquerors will be the key instead

[lilac pawn]

maybe when the 2nd war starts he will awaken fruit

[pure raven]

I wish Oda showed more of future sight in an actual combative sense cause it's so hard to distinguish between regular observation and future sight

[jagged vigil]

I guess

[lilac pawn]

so the voice of all things useless?

[rigid wadi]

Rn ye

[weary cliff]

Seems like it came in handy a chapter ago. Assuming that was the power Luffy used to transmit his message

[rigid wadi]

Luffy unlocked WhatsApp

[covert hazel]

VOAT is good wdym

You can hear poneglyphs, Zunesha and even more now that we see Luffy chatting in the water

[rigid wadi]

Question: Normally, the 2nd member to join on each sea is a Women(Nami, Robin.....). Considering Yamato is he/him, wouldn't that be shocking getting him as new Nakama?

[pure raven]

I feel like you're looking for patterns where things are just accidental

[covert hazel]

No not really, the gender of the second new recruit in a new sea has no bearing over the story

[jagged vigil]

Yamato is technically a she tho

Not that it matters

[weary cliff]

Well technically he but I get what you mean. I think the pattern isnt anything to go off of, though. Same thing with 444

[queen wind]

Oda himself called yamato a 'he'

[pure raven]

oh jeez

[weary cliff]

Yeah. I wont pretend I understand the finer points of gender identity, or Yamato's situation, but I do at least know what the canon pronouns are for the character

[blazing nymph]

we’ll know when he/she takes a bath in the men’s bathroom after they depart wano.

[crude abyss]

Yeah, it'll be a parallel to oden

[hardy roost]

or maybe joyboy is only a title and not an entity

[noble flicker]

I fast watched this and there is few points that is right, anyone interested might try https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGJ6O1plXVc

[midnight pendant]

is joyboy supposed to appear in wano and thats why kaido wanna stay here

[noble flicker]

Im not fan of prophecy stuff, I hope we could get something better

[pseudo citrus]

if the only thing that makes wano special is that there is a prophecy that says joyboy will go there, it'll be a pretty big letdown... sengoku talking about all these important people being interested in the country, only for it to just be a place joyboy goes?

[grizzled fog]

Then what do you think it is?

[queen wind]

uranus is in wano

[noble flicker]

I hope it to be something like -- qwerty tree gonna give fruit after 800 years and the person who would pick the fruit is joyboy - kinda situation, I mean there is a time that is set, not some prophecy

[thick sky]

qwerty tree?

[noble flicker]

trying to give example, it could be anything

[amber oar]

I like the theory that Wano is the AK

[midnight pendant]

AK??

[pseudo citrus]

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/ny3iss/a_bit_of_a_long_hypothesis_the_land_of_wano_is/

[noble flicker]

ancient kingdom

[pseudo citrus]

honestly, I have no guess besides Wano being the ancient kingdom 😩

[pure raven]

I think Oda does a good job taking it well

[midnight pendant]

i thought everyone knew wano was ancient kingdom after zou

[last void]

My theory is that the Ancient Kingdom was located in either Laughtale or Mariejois

[midnight pendant]

btw zou doesnt have any destination right

it just walks around randomly because of its punishment

[queen wind]

it walks around in the new world i think

[midnight pendant]

i thought it had a destination but i reread it and it seems its punishment was to just walk around for eternity

[queen wind]

wait till mihawk pulls up and slices it in half

[midnight pendant]

so the mystery of zou is what crimes did it commit and who punished it

[pure raven]

how would they even enforce it or does the elephant have that strong of a code of honor

Watch it turn out that the elephant was the being that received the immortal surgery from the last person whom has the Op-op fruit

[modest skiff]

I assumed it was fooled into betraying the ancient kingdom and someone with Momo’s power commanded it to walk forever

[true flame]

hasnt zou been roaming for 1000s of years though?

[sand sail]

Approximately just 1000

[last void]

Longer than the Void Century

[formal igloo]

Nice !

[normal talon]

Too bad we don't have a "wow" emote

[snow herald]

I realised something. When luffy was a kid and wanted to join shanka crew, shanks said no. Same thing happened with otama and ace. These 2 knew the kids were too young and that they would constantly be in danger. Common sense.
But with luffy, he probably wouldn't even consider that it's too dangerous for kids. So the possibility of otama, momo or some other kid joining is pretty high.

Same happened to shanks and buggy as kids. Roger didn't have the common sense to think about the dangers of the new world for kids

[cedar sinew]

There’s 0 chance of momo joining

Tama is still somewhat plausible only because of ace promise parallel

It’s less about the “dangers as a child” and more about narrative significance

Plenty of characters in the past were strong enough to join but didn’t

[toxic frost]

i think brook is a skeleton!!

[snow herald]

Dangers to a child*

I see ace and Shanks as sensible enough to not put kids they care about in danger.
Luffy and roger seem like they wouldn't consider that thought and just accept for whatever reason

[tranquil mesa]

yeah momo's place is in wano once the borders are open again

[tired osprey]

momo only got one place to be, and that is wherever is he needed to do dawn stuff according to the logbook, but since kaido wants yamato to be shogun, and kaido knows about joyboy and that wano is special, i guess the dawn stuff is related to being shogun of wano

[ancient vault]

When will Kaidos favorite island come in play and how?

[cloud zenith]

OMG

[ancient vault]

Also I dont get the Ak = Wano theory. The WG must know right? So why are they letting kaido take control over it

[snow herald]

I can see momo wanting to go along with luffy and then asking yamato to be shogun, everyone is displeased and is against it. But luffy reassures everyone that if yamato goes bad, he'll come back and kick her ass or something. Then the two get into a comedic fight.

If momo requests it, yamato will do it

Momo might want to sail to get stronger and see more of the world like his father, or maybe he needs to do something else

Mark my words!

Nani

How do I do that

[trim flicker]

Think mark think

[maiden terrace]

Finally Zoro naked scene

[split ledge]

Xebec is somewhere at onigashima.. after defeat at godvalley he flew from there with kaido and is now hiding at onigashima.. and will be luffys final villain at this arc…
And from there kaido came to know about joyboy

[cyan berry]

serious theories only here please @split ledge

[weary cliff]

I think they might be serious. Wasnt it the director of the anime that gave everyone the idea Kaido isn't the final villain here

[tranquil mesa]

does someone have the 'lurking legend' evidence btw?

i keep seeing it reference but not sure where its from

[waxen dust]

lurking legend had to been referring to Imu

[split ledge]

Am serious here …
Wht will be the motive of introducing xebec before this arc if there isnt any use of him here @cyan berry

[cyan berry]

Lurking :Legend has been referring to the Big Mom and Kaido alliance

It signifies the return of Rocks

as a concept, not as a character

"the motive of introducing him here" is as a segway into this alliance

[tranquil mesa]

hmm but 'lurking' seems to imply someone's hiding? everyone knows what big mom and kaido have been up to

[waxen dust]

Shiki??

[cyan berry]

not really

Before Wano, Kaido and Big Mom would have never been allied together after Rocks

Also everyone that would know about Rocks has said he was dead

the marines and WG wouldnt make a blunder that big by keeping him alive

They killed Roger after all

[waxen dust]

To me Lurking Legend is referring to Rocks himself, especially since Shanks was probably speaking about him to the Gorosei

[cyan berry]

you'd be wrong

[pastel summit]

they were doing nothing significant for decades, so they could easily qualify as "lurking", and their connection to Rocks was known only to a few people.

[waxen dust]

why would I be wrong? Lurking Legend seems to be in reference to an individual and Rocks is a lurking legend to only those that know of him. This is the sub plot that gives reason to the Kaido/BM alliance as you mentioned earlier

[cyan berry]

because we've already seen people say "It's the return of the Legend, Rocks" when referring to the big mom and kaido alliance

Marines right after Sengoku told them all about Rocks

idk what more blatant evidence you could need

[pure raven]

No point in debating with Youss he will try to prove you wrong every time

[cyan berry]

yes how dare i inform someone that he's wrong when he is

[pastel summit]

Yeah but in this case, brother is wrong.

[cyan berry]

im a monster

[pastel summit]

It is 100% in reference to Big Mom and Kaido teaming up.

[tropic cape]

Yeah I don’t think “legend” refers to something tangible. I think Oda was quite literally saying there are plenty of storied “legends” that lurk in one piece and we’re about to discover one of those stories which happened to be the story of Rocks

[tranquil mesa]

i think it has to be some individual, one of the editors seemed to imply kaido isn't the final boss of wano

[pastel summit]

just deluded people cannot accept it in favour of shilling bad theories, because Oda is never going to outright state who the "lurking legend" is, beyond what he already has.

[waxen dust]

I’m not saying like Rocks is alive to make it clear, but I am saying that his legacy from those who’ve known of him is what makes him lurking. It’s plausible to say Kaido/BM are vestiges of his legacy but nothing more

[tropic cape]

I am curious though. He connected the lurking legend and the final war which seems to imply that the lurking legend is related or directly the final villain for the SHs.

[pastel summit]

Wow, you've simultaneously understood and completely not understood it at all. Yes, it refers to the fact that BM and Kaido are 2 of the last remaining members of Rocks, and them teaming up is symbolic of a huge pirate alliance that would be near impossible to deal with.

which is exactly what the Rocks crew was. It's not a reference to Xebec himself, it's a reference to the crew.

[pastel summit]

separate statements. It's just made to seem like it's connected. This interview is one of the most commonly misunderstood, and Oda did it exactly for that reason. but people constantly misconstrue or misunderstand the meaning.

[night jewel]

I would say "legend" here refers to a tale, a story. A story that we haven't learnt of until now, and even in the OP story no one among the members of the Rocks Crew is willing to talk about it, so it has been lurking, hidden from us basically

[pure raven]

Is Oda referring to Imu Sama since he or she is still lurking in the background?

[cyan berry]

no

[tropic cape]

Well there has to be a hidden meaning for the fact that he cleverly made two huge statements about one piece in the same breath and yet didn’t connect the two concepts.

[pastel summit]

yes, the hidden meaning is to keep people talking, while not saying anything.

[tropic cape]

I’d assume one would start with the lurking legend stuff and then move on to the villain information

[pure raven]

Could also be referring to Vegapunk too didn’t Orochi want CpO to bring him?

[cyan berry]

no

[tropic cape]

I mean this exact thing happens no matter how Oda phrases it.

[cyan berry]

Vegapunk is neither a legend nor is he lurking anywhere

[tropic cape]

I don’t think Oda needs publicity at this point

[cyan berry]

He's a genius scientist, sure. But everyone knows who he is and what he's done

just because we haven't seen him yet doesn't mean he;s lurking

[pure raven]

Well if y’all are referring to Rocks being the Lurking legend to hinder the straw hats path. Either 1 he’s still alive or we haven’t seen this person yet. Or it’s Gonna be Imu since Oda is saying the straw hats will face this person even may be BB since all those theories or Rocks being inside him

[pastel summit]

rocks crew. of which kaido and big mom were a part of.

of which both of them are the current main antagonists of the wano arc.

[night jewel]

Its Big Mom and Kaido, they have been referred to as the return of rocks in the story. And the tale of rocks is spoken of as if its some "legend"

and they are also the greatest enemy hindering the strawhats' way as the antagonists of the current arc. And they are connected to whitebeard by being part of the same crew.

[tired osprey]

I kind of like thought of Im = Xebec

[pure raven]

We already knew about big mom and Kaido ain’t the greatest enemy ever for the straw hats. He’s the strongest sure but ain’t the greatest enemy they will face

[last void]

Bruh.I see the other way Happening

[cyan berry]

Kaido is literally referred to as the Strongest Creature in the World

And Big Mom is just as tough as he is

[last void]

There's noo way Momo is coming

[pure raven]

Yeah but he’s not the final villian and greatest threat overall

[cyan berry]

As it stands, there is no tougher enemy for the strawhats

[night jewel]

can you say that for sure? can you say that something out there exists that is bigger than the threat posed by the World's Strongest Creature and the World's Strongest Hag combined together?

[pastel summit]

good thing it's not just about kaido then. it's about both.

[tropic cape]

Also the word “legend” in Japanese pretty much exclusively refers to folklore/mythology/storytelling so I presume Oda was definitely talking about it the tale of Rocks that was lurking rather than any sort of group/person that could be called legendary in the sense of being extremely famous or notorious.

[pure raven]

You’re forgetting Black Beard

[cyan berry]

Blackbeard is not stronger than Kaido or Big Mom

[night jewel]

BB is not stronger than both Kaido or Big Mom combined together

[cyan berry]

especially not stronger than both at once

[tropic cape]

His crew might be though

[night jewel]

bounty wise as well, they are the biggest threat ever

[cyan berry]

his crew of 10 people

[visual merlin]

his crew wouldn't be either

[tropic cape]

Overall vs Overall I bet BBs crew would take it to BB or Kaido anyday

[visual merlin]

his crew is the newest, probably weakest, it's not gonna beat out their crews

[night jewel]

we also have BM and Kaido's crew combined together

[pure raven]

He’s not the strongest currently but he’s definitely the biggest threat out of the Yonkos

[night jewel]

so yeah....

[visual merlin]

sure, individually

but this is 2 of em

[tropic cape]

In the trend of storytelling I’m willing to bet everything I own that BB ends up being the strongest pirate Luffy faces.

[visual merlin]

he's not gonna be stronger than 2 combined

[cyan berry]

if he was the biggest threat then any of the other Yonko would have tried to fight him already

in order to remove that threat

[waxen dust]

I’m not gonna continue into a full blown debate, but all I got to say is when people refer to Big Mom/Kaido alliance and claiming it the Return of Rocks. The first thing they’re thinking about is Rocks D. Xebec himself and whatever he did during his time. Big Mom and Kaido have their own identities as individual pirates, so for them to come together is more so a remembrance of Rocks himself and the crew he once led.

[pure raven]

Yonko’s are busy bruh with their own plans

[visual merlin]

yea, and its the legend of rocks

[cyan berry]

Kaido sits on his ass drunk and/or trying to throw himself from sky islands most of his time

[night jewel]

well, its not really "some" claim, thats what the story tells us

[cyan berry]

and Big Mom does constant tea parties

[waxen dust]

exactly, his memory is lurking to only those that know.

[visual merlin]

like some legend

[pure raven]

And Shanks just debating with The Elders and shit

[night jewel]

[cyan berry]

2 out of 3

[last void]

Lol.Even the Admirals look scared

[cyan berry]

fujitora and akainu look the same as ever

[night jewel]

its a story that no one talks about, its a massive story that has been hidden from the readers uptill "now", its referred to as a legend in the story as well, i don't think there is really a need for more blatant proof from the story

[waxen dust]

Akainu is shitting molten bricks

[last void]

For some reason,he became more of a Pussy after being a Fleet Admiral

[tropic cape]

Idk what y’all are smoking to think Akainu looks any different here

[last void]

Like he was such a Radical extreme believer of Justice,yet he doesn't give a Crap of what happens in Wano

Atleast he Had a Spine pre-TS

[tidal tangle]

wg is busy wid revos

[waxen dust]

Akainu still a threat

[pure raven]

Oda refers to a “enemy” not “enemies” tho

[tidal tangle]

they can only do so much

[tranquil mesa]

think the marine's are just stretched thin to afford the resources that wano would require

[oak mural]

kaido's fruit is rocks fruit right or we dont know yet

[last void]

.....or is the "Situation" worse than we what actually expected?

[tranquil mesa]

2 yonko + strawhat + kid + law

[tidal tangle]

we dont know

[night jewel]

yes, its a single enemy because big mom and kaido are one alliance

[tidal tangle]

and most likely not

[last void]

I mean they gotta Handle All the Warlords

To Handle Mihawk alone,they need an Admiral

[oak mural]

rocks being alive is 1 in a billion chance ,he is certainly dead ,oda was just saying kaido and big mom posses as much threat as rocks did

[last void]

And I don't think Boa can be taken down by Coby....how much ever strong he has become

[oak mural]

but would be a close fight i guess

[last void]

Bruh Garp Clearly said "They are growing in Power,despite losing their Captain"

He is 100% dead

[oak mural]

but the thing is whether they catch the warlords or not navy will just lose many soldiers

[oak mural]

ye someone earlier said rocks is still alive so thats why i told the statement

[pure raven]

So the Lurking Legend is 98% Rocks but Oda is also referring to Kaido and Big Mom forming the Rocks Pirates again in a Alliance as the greatest enemy threat to the straw hats as of right now. With also the possibility of Rocks still being alive since “lurking” means hidden

[last void]

I have a Feeling that Warlords like Mihawk and Buggy might seek Safety from Shanks

[visual merlin]

no rocks is dead

[cyan berry]

Rocks is 2000% dead

[night jewel]

its the story of rocks that is hidden, its the lurking legend, legend as in a tale, a story. Xebec D. Rocks himself isn't lurking

[oak mural]

i doubt tbh , mihawk wont be captured by the navy for sure ,buggy who knows

[pure raven]

we’re talking about theories theirs no point in trying to deny everything there’s a shit ton of Rocks being alive theories with the whole BB personality stuff, even Rocks being Imu. We just don’t know yet

[last void]

Ofc he wouldn't.The reason he became a Shichibukai was because he was bored

Similarly he might stick with Shanks cause he is Bored

[tribal belfry]

I honestly doubt that any warlords will be captured

[covert hazel]

I think they'll be captured, it's gonna be a great show for the SSG's project's power

[cyan berry]

Buggy might get lucky with Shanks but I wouldn't be surprised if the rest all get captured

[queen wind]

Mihawk won't get captured because he's too cool

[cyan berry]

remember ace

remember crocodile

[queen wind]

Ace is not cool

[cyan berry]

remember jinbei

[queen wind]

Mihawk is 10 times cooler

[tropic cape]

The best evidence we have is Sengoku, a previous Fleet Admiral with loads of government intelligence, saying “he’s no longer alive”. I’d say that’s pretty good evidence to assert Rock’s death.

[oak mural]

the sh will have 3 red ponegliphs after wano ,where do u think the fourth one would be

[proud tree]

akainu is preparing for a large war

I guess there only will be one war ... bcs marineford war was the end of an era. So the next war should be the end of the current power system Yonko, WG, warlords.

after laughtale would fit also

[oak mural]

yes ,the world balance will shift a 90*

bb is prolly in arabasta to get pluton

[proud tree]

makes sense bcs blackbeard should be more dangerous to the light/dawn (Luffy) then the WG

[oak mural]

and cp0 is in wano ,proving that events in wano have a great importance

[proud tree]

its not insane if king Kobra died. the country has no strong leader/military and as the civil war showed it is unstable... also the WG hates king Kobra

[oak mural]

ye cobra died ,sabo is blamed

[proud tree]

The WG does not care for traitors of the nefeltari family and Alabasta. Easy pray for BB

[lilac pawn]

e

[proud tree]

isnt Reverie already over and everyone returned home?

[oak mural]

that will be in 3 chapters ,will be a good one

[oak mural]

the turmoil it has set still isnt revealed ,smthing has happened to vivi and cobra and sabo

oda said that smthing about the one piece will be revealed in wano ,after the war might maybe

ye 1019,1020,1021 should be abt reverie

[lone hedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/164971940648321024/812008302815739914/Untitled-12.png

[crude solstice]

That would be cool

[proud tree]

Wano = ancient Kingdom... Poneglyphs where made in Wano

• Kaido knows how special Wano is

[weary cliff]

I think Robin would have realized that by now. I'm pretty sure the Ohara poneglyph left behind info on the Ancient Kingdom

[pure raven]

the ancient kingdom was also just completely destroyed without any traces

[amber oar]

We don't really know what happened to the Ancient Kingdom

[pure raven]

it's a kingdom that vanished without a trace during the void century before the WG came to be so I'm presuming it was wiped off the map

[amber oar]

exactly, you're presuming it was wiped off the map

being forced to isolate and making its name taboo isn't really excluyent with the info we have so far

[left field]

Kaido noting that Wano is special is important information but Oda didn't do that to imply that Wano was in fact the Ancient Kingdom

though it isn't impossible for Wano to be the Ancient Kingdom

[waxen dust]

I think Kaido’s obsession with Wano and Joyboy stems all the way back to his time with the Rocks Pirates. Maybe Xebec brought in Kaido because he thought Kaido would be Joyboy, but when it was later revealed that wasn’t the case Xebec was disappointed of Kaido. This would explain Kaido’s depression and why he has occupied Wano all this time. Kaido knows Joyboy will come to Wano and wants to face him to compare himself to understand why he isn’t Joyboy.

[left field]

Interesting speculation

and If Kaido believes Luffy isn't Joyboy (which may or may not change when Luffy steps back up to face Kaido again), then doesn't that also imply that Shanks isn't Joyboy assuming Kaido hasn't found "Joyboy" yet?

[pure raven]

so you think Kaido in a sense is inheriting Rock's Will?

[waxen dust]

I don’t think Kaido ever assumed Shanks was Joyboy, especially since I believe their confrontation happened outside of Wano

[left field]

happened right before Shanks stopped the Paramount War

[waxen dust]

Not at all, I think Kaido just wanted to live up to Xebec’s expectations. I would believe Rocks inherited will is more so aligned with Blackbeard

[left field]

I really like this one because it's one of if not the only theory i've seen that tries to come up with a reason for Kaido's depression

[pure raven]

but from what we've seen they have no connection

BB joined Whitebeard's crew after Whitebeard already left

[waxen dust]

Right but we know BB was an orphan and archaeologists who studies history and is currently occupying Pirate Island like Rocks once did

[pure raven]

Kaido's depression can be relatively simple; He's bored and has nothing to challenge him. Think Beerus but more malicious. He doesn't really care about his crew mates, hasn't shown much care for Yamato, and presumably has been looking to die for quite some time.

[waxen dust]

I would say he’s bored because he lost purpose knowing he’s not Joyboy. So what’s the point of living than just letting the real Joyboy kill him

[pure raven]

in all likely hood I'd equate Kaido to a very bored observer

[left field]

Not wrong, but Oda has done so, so well with having reasons to justify every last action and feelings characters have

[pure raven]

Since he knows about Joyboy, I think it'd be safe to say that he's also expecting that massive thing that Roger was too early for. That big event in 20 years that is going to happen and shake the world to it's core. I genuinely believe he's just waiting to meet and see this spectacular figure whom will entertain him on a grand epic scale that will shake up the world

[waxen dust]

Right Kaido’s an observer and knows even with all his might he still isn’t the chosen one. Waiting for the one to challenge him is Joyboy because he knows that individual will be able to do what Kaido cannot do...shake up the world

[pure raven]

I disagree a bit with that sentiment. but I'm also not into the idea that Kaido believes he has expectations to live up to. Feels a bit underwhelming if Kaido was basically the buggy of the Rock's pirates before getting incredibly overwhelming power and now lives in a bit of Rock's shadow

[waxen dust]

I think it makes sense and I wouldn’t say he was Buggy in Rocks crew. I think Xebec had great expectations of Kaido and held him to high value like a prodigy until it was realized Kaido is not Joyboy. Being hold to such magnitude by your captain to only be rejected by him later would not only give you some kind of emotional breakdown, but if strong willed (CoC) then you would try to prove them wrong by becoming the strongest.

That perfectly encapsulates Kaido as the Strongest Beast and a depressing drunk

[left field]

Your speculation is much more logical and well thought out than the other kid's, but then again it's all speculation in the end

Depression is a complex emotion that comes from a series of environmental and social factors, it is anything but a simple mental state

[lunar wren]

took me ages

n re reading to realize, the old woman that kaido killed for impersonating momo had the clay devil fruit in the past, and the clay guy in impel down helped luffy escape

[left field]

Bon-Chan was the better user

[oblique onyx]

I had a theory I wanted to post but afraid it was dumb.

So the exchanging of sake between ace/luffy/sabo. It matches up with the exchange between oden/whitebeard/roger. But only because of the exchange of sake. So what does it show during Blackbeard’s speech at mock town is Blackbeard sitting down with a bottle of rum and offering luffy a drink.

Counter argument: Blackbeard would be offering a bottle of rum, no sake or sake cups were involved

My argument: Blackbeard didn’t want to exchange sake with Luffy, he shares a different dream where he uses his iron fist to conquer the world, so he gets like minded people on his crew, so the already opened bottle of rum in the middle of the street is acceptable for Teach’s dream.
But Luffy’s dream is different and that’s why he stares back at Blackbeard.

[waxen dust]

I think the emphasis on the Rum was Teach having multiple personalities because back at the bar he said “today wasn’t a good day to drink”, but later on he’s chugging down Rum and says the complete opposite as he walks away. So Luffy staring back not only acknowledges your theory of different dreams but he’s trying to read Teach as an individual, he’s being cautious with him.

[oblique onyx]

I agree with the personality thing, but Zoro talks about "they" too but I can't help feeling like Luffy saw something more, like opposing dreams. I know Luffy isn't known to be smart/intelligent to even see that deep

[lunar wren]

3 cerberus 3 personality theory idk

reasoning that each personality is why he is allowed to harbor multiple df

[waxen dust]

they as in different personalities because it’s not possible to know about BB being a pirate or having a crew at that moment. Also yes Luffy saw that his ideology was similar to BB’s but approached differently. That’s why he was cautious about further pursuing BB about Sky Island information.

[oblique onyx]

Yeah I think I'm looking too far in to this

[waxen dust]

trust me lots of people looking too deep into this particular scene, but I like the concept you brought up because I’m pretty certain BB has never exchanged sake with his crewmates, so it makes more likely they will betray one another eventually.

They don’t have that sacred vow like ASL, WB/Roger, or The Strawhats

[oblique onyx]

Thats true

[ancient vault]

Its not that hard to conclude that Doc Q, Burgess and Teach would be connected to each other when zoro and luffy noticed from the start that they were different from everyone else on the island.

[waxen dust]

I mean it’s hard to say, the way I look at it is that Luffy and Zoro perceives the initial confrontation as Blackbeard being some oddball guy because at this point of the story like us readers Luffy and Zoro aren’t aware of who’s the Blackbeard pirates. “They” is more so addressed as a peculiar person and the notion he changes his statement so suddenly about the town’s liquor.

Those small details were emphasized more so than his crew members during the confrontation

[trim flicker]

Something something BB is nonbinary genderperson or something

Also every time kaido says something, its important. Like almost every line has major implications behind it

[pearl kestrel]

i think that old guy who lives with tama is the old shogun

every old person with a mask turns out to be the previous king

[olive quail]

lmao but besides Riku I cant think of a situation like that

that has already happened i mean

[scenic thicket]

@pearl kestrel i think tht 2, but tht would be oden, or odens dad right? it would cause a lot of drama tht he dodged his daughter for 20 years

[pearl kestrel]

odens dad yeah definitely not oden

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/nq2f6b/tenguyama_hitetsu_is_kozuki_sukiyaki_theory/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

this is the full thing

[fathom matrix]

Hell, maybe that party theory where Luffy wants to start the worlds biggest party when he becomes pirate king, could have Black Beard have something similar, where he also wants to maybe throw a massive party, but it's a party that screws everyone over.

Like, he'll have men steal treasure, kill people, take over land, steal food and booze, take over kingdoms, maybe become the king of the world like what Rocks wanted to do, but throws a party in celebration.

[waxen dust]

Hmm, maybe but only if Luffy’s dream is to actually have the biggest party, but idk if this will be the case. It’s possible tho

I think Blackbeard just wants to see the world burn in comparison where Luffy wants to be the Most Free Person in the world, while Blackbeard wants to be rule over everyone and everything.

[fathom matrix]

I was for the dream where he wanted to be the most free person, but looking back, the laughter and childish remarks him and roger said, kinda make me believe the party theory more, and some peeps made good points on it

[waxen dust]

Yea it’s possible because it aligns with the ideology of the meaning of Joyboy. Spread joy across the world with a big party. It’s some kind unrealistic dream in the common man’s eye. But something tangible by only those who are Joyboy candidates.

[bright trench]

Soon

[visual merlin]

this picture is missing someone

[bright trench]

Carrot?

[visual merlin]

yes

[bright trench]

nah

she'll protect Zou

[snow herald]

What's the hype behind carrot? Is it just for memes? I don't actually get it

[bright trench]

Some ppl think Carrot will be SH...

[snow herald]

Yeah but why

[bright trench]

Pedro's sacrifice

[pseudo talon]

ace dies in the manga i watched the whole thing

[snow herald]

And why is she so 'liked'

[bright trench]

Furries? xDD

[snow herald]

Ahhhhhh

That makes sense

[modest skiff]

If nothing else, Sukiyaki's death was so obviously lacking in detail its nuts. And Hitetsu is also extremely lacking in detail. There's just such huge holes in their backstory right now that it only seems reasonable the theory is true

[shut torrent]

Gear 5th next chapter or so

[amber oar]

I can believe the Sukiyaki/Hitetsu theory, but my only question with the theory is, how that would contribute to the plot?

I have the feeling that them being the same character wouldn't add anything to the story. Unless Sukiyaki can reveal where's the road poneglyph or whatever

There's a poneglyph surrounded by kokeshi dolls below the shogun's castle, but it's a regular one

[grizzled fog]

Well, things aren’t looking good for the scabbards atm. By the end of the raid there won’t be many left to help momo rule and look after him. I guess sukiyaki could take over until momo is of age? Other than that idk

[tribal belfry]

It's possible that all the scabbards could die

[amber oar]

I've been saying it as a real possibility since the start of the raid, but they have got away with a couple, Oda gonna Oda I guess

[grizzled fog]

Oda being oda would be them all surviving. Getting a couple dead is perfectly reasonable imo

[weary cliff]

Half, tops. Some are just too important for their roles. Denjiro is the most competent advisor Momo could have for actually running a country for example. And Zou needs at least a duke. One of the ninjas has to pass down the arts to Otama etc

[rigid wadi]

I actually expect Kinemon to die after the smash and the stomatch slash he received from Kaido

Kiku would be really dumb if dies with just the stab lol

[ember trench]

I think they’ll all live

[weary cliff]

Kinemon, despite everything he's endured and how meaningful his death would be to us, I just don't believe it. It would be the most cruel thing Oda has done

[astral wren]

I haven’t read the manga, but I have a theory about zoro 👀. So oda always brings up zoros green hair, and toki had a hair color similar to zoro. What if his family is decent of tokis family

[grizzled fog]

She was full on impaled bro

[ember trench]

Kin will certainly live

Think Oda wants the scabbards to see their country freed

[weary cliff]

Even if the silhouette comes back to bandage him up, it would feel like an asspull. Unless they had an actual healing ability. But I agree. Idk about all but at least Kin

[ember trench]

Many people will hate it but it’s coming

[errant nova]

Damn you should mark this a spoiler… 🙏

[bronze palm]

Who is the silhouette person

[errant nova]

Hiyori

[bronze palm]

It’s not gonna be Hiyori tho, she specifically said she doesn’t want the emotions to amp up before the big battle

[errant nova]

Exactly why she’s hidden

[bronze palm]

Doesn’t make sense when she, herself, said she doesn’t want to meet any of the scabbards

[errant nova]

Unless Toki really survived

[bronze palm]

Toki didn’t survive, we saw her getting shot in the anime

[errant nova]

Yeah then I got nothin toki or hiyori makes most sense by that profile

[amber oar]

Marco said he couldn't go... until he did. People can change their mind according to events

[bronze palm]

Marco didn’t say that, he was hesistant

[ember trench]

She didn’t meet them

She dresssed their wounds then left before they woke up

[bronze palm]

How did she escape without being noticed? (Or is she still in onigashima)

[grizzled fog]

She’s most definitely still in onigashima

[ember trench]

Still on Onigashima most likely

[amber oar]

No, he straight up said he had something else to protect, and Neko didn't insist.
Something happened behind scenes that made Marco changed his mind and he showed up

The same way something could have compelled Hiyori to show up anyway. That assuming she didn't have a plan beforehand when she said she would hide

[grizzled fog]

It was still flying at that point

[ember trench]

She’ll probably help the fallen scabbards

[bronze palm]

It wouldn't make sense for her to say she wouldn't want to show up, and then suddenly get to Onigashima rooftop without being noticed by anyone, and then be able to help the scabbards.

[ember trench]

She’s sneaky

She could have just wanted to help in her own way

[waxen light]

I don't mind the sukiyaki/hitetsu theories but I just wonder about the implications. Hitetsu is a famed blacksmith so does that mean the Shogun created Ame no Habakiri and Sandai Kitetsu? Is it just an assumed name that he took while in hiding? Are they two individuals or one in the same?

[errant nova]

Exactly my thoughts on the theory. I think it’d be cool but that detail doesn’t really make sense

[oak mural]

i guess wevil was captured by the navy so marco came

[light pond]

Kozuki are know stonemasons so him being a famed blacksmith is not far from any possibilities. Also in fuedal japan there is a famous smithing school who also creates cursed swords and the smiths dont use their actual name but the name of the school (a clear reference to muramasa swords). So him being a shogun and having a hidden identity as a famed blacksmith is not that impossible

[shut torrent]

Sanji Conquerors haki? maybe? but its a slim chance

[grizzled fog]

Highly unlikely. But you can quite easily make a case for him having it. He wouldn’t stand out among users either

[shut torrent]

Advanced Conquerors Haki? its like Ryo + Conquerors haki

thatll be op if itll happen to luffy

maybe that ability can wipe out warlords

[grizzled fog]

Wym if it happens to luffy. That’s what he’s been doing

[shut torrent]

oh

i didnt know

If Zoro Got the 2 oden swords he wouldve wounded Kaido bad

[grizzled fog]

Don’t think it’s quite that easy

[shut torrent]

well not beaten just wounded badly

just like what oden did

[pure raven]

Can lufffys rubber rubber fruit rebound shock from gura gura? And take no damage to minimal damage?

If it can then is it possible that with adv coc and ryou he can damage ana hit bb without touching him?

[grizzled fog]

Zoro pretty much did what oden did already

We don’t know how strong Ame is, it might not have some stupidly broken ability like enma that practically doubles the users power when mastered. It probably wouldn’t be TOO different

[shut torrent]

Ok ty

[vague bolt]

Hey, Kuzan has a daughter right?

[faint raft]

Oh yeah it was mentionned when he first met Luffy and the rest of the crew before Water 7!!

[vague bolt]

that's what I thought, thanks

[shut torrent]

Shanks + Luffy vs BB?

[waxen light]

So he ran a country, became a master stone mason and also was a legendary blacksmith. Pretty wild. Where does one even find the time of day

[cedar sinew]

no

[vague bolt]

hm, weird, I really do remember that being mentioned as a motivation for his marine career

[compact marsh]

He was in the village where whitebeard was born to protect it from weevil and his mother who wants the treasures of whitebeard but since the shishibukai system got abdolished weevil is occuped with the navy then he decided to go with cat viper i think

[queen wind]

Elbaf will be the shanks arc

[oak mural]

so like in jan 2022 i guess elbaf will begin

i just want to know more abt sabo ,if he is dead ima drop op lol ,

[oak mural]

wano should end in another 25-30 ch

[pure raven]

There is no fixed no for the act no.s

As sometime 3 acts sre used dometime 4 or 5 nothing explicitly fixed .

And wano fight pretty much close to end as onigishima already in wano after like 20 25 chaps i dont think it will tske another 25 chaps to reach wnao mainland and then wgatever method samurai use to halt tge drkp and save citizeb in 25 chasp

They are not alwyas 10 20 chaps long .

Also if ulti doen for good then we can confirm other key players if kaido to fall soon. And so 30 wouod be pretty much all. For fight and

That would be pretty big stretch unless we get a flashback or something of sort related to void centuart and wano.. I wouldnt want sh to sit in wano and talj amd explore for more 20 chaps

They should get poneglpgys and oarty then leave in maxxxxxc 7-9 chaps.

[ancient vault]

It def would because she needed to xonvince kawamatsu to leave her alone

[pure raven]

I seriously dont want d for dream

[ancient vault]

Doubt D stands for anything specific

[formal igloo]

if D dosnt stand for anything specific, then that would mean Oda is a retard, which i doubt

after hyping the D soo much

now that you say that Boe, it makes sense really

[ancient vault]

not really but okay lol

[formal igloo]

could mean that people with D will bring the Dawn to the world

even Roger brought it up asking whitebeard if wants to know the meaning of D, if it wasnt importent i dont think Roger will even talk about it

[rigid wadi]

Question: We only know 9 Titanic Captains from BB, right? Who do you think will be the 10th?

[pure raven]

Kuzan

[ancient vault]

who said it wasnt important?

[oak mural]

i believe he is double agent ,likely works for rev army

[ancient vault]

Check out the pinned urouge theory.

Kuzan is independent

[pure raven]

We don't know that

[ancient vault]

Reread his speech on PH. He clearly emphasizes that he does not need to fit into a fraction like the WG or Navy but that he does things for hinself now

[crystal quiver]

I never knew there was PH in the one piece world

[snow cloak]

joyboy=j enemy=e
celestial dragons=cd I think j is from an ancient kingdom where all the species lived together with peace.He has the VOAT so he understand all things and wanted to unit the world.And e another faction there is who wants to rule the world.To match the power of haki they created df and water is their weakness b'cause the leader can control sea water to make it ineffective those who stand against him or her with df. Those who stand with j maybe kozuki,kuja,minks,fishman,gaints.The ancient weapons may be power granted by j to his allies by using VOAT the power to control sea kings,control zunesha like speaking to all things and command them.J was defeated but he pass on his (dream=d) that it will never die.Fearing that j dream will come true.The e faction started hunting the j faction So the allies like wano,mink ,fishman went into the sea,kuja went into isolation.The one who allied with the winning faction known as cd.To never forget the joy-boy's dream they forged poneygeilph.I think pluton betrayed j and joined with e.So to counter the real pluton shipwreck crew created a ship to created a weapon and also named as pluton. (pluton maybe vivi,Neptune =shirashi,URANUS=momoshuke).The cd were afraid of pluton so they didn't allow alabasta to join the marinejois

39 YEARS BEFORE
Rocks learned about the void century and wanted the e's df to rule the world.Initially rock's has BB df.Roger just gained emperor like power. Whitebeard,BM,Shiki,kaido joined Rocks.Garp protected a cd and fell in love with her(child=dragon).The e's was in the god valley.So rock was in there,to stop rocks roger was in there , garp was in there to protect his wife and child.Whitebeard amazed by roger's ambitions and joined roger and fought the Big mom ,shiki,kaido. Rock's went to find the df but in thr the awakened the (e's leader =imu)who is alive due to an devil fruit.Roger,rocks,whitebeard fought the imu and thought defeated them but rocks pretend to be sacrifice and took the e's df and went into hiding due to roger's influence on that era and became imu with his knowledge and threatened the gorosensei.When roger found one piece he knew that 800 years did not come and weapons are not ready for the war.So he started the pirate era during his execution.
*After eating the e's df rocks original df left him *Roger fought rocks without knowing the void century then only roger searched for poneglyph and one piece *BB was releated to Rocks *Rocks told void century to kaido and BM

[ancient vault]

why r u reposting?

[snow cloak]

NOW
BM wants to pk because she wants all the species to unite,that's her dream.kaido is waiting for next joyboy in wano in order to become a stepping stone.Bm and kaido won't be killed in wano both of them will join with luffy in the final war. Kuzan is the caption of sword.sword and revolutionary army will join forces .Vegapunk is revolutionary army.

[ancient vault]

rocks wasnt even alive 30 years ago

[pure raven]

He say he is independant for himself and his goals, which basically justify that he think he can move from another ally which allow him to continue in a better way, but yet in fact it's still a mystery, we just know that now he work for Teach, it's not saying like it's as an outsider, an ally or a member

But yet, i think it's the point : have a no clear situation, we just know he deal with BB, so i answer at "who do you think it is" and i say "kuzan"
But i think that, i'm not affirm it

[ancient vault]

Doubt he actually joined. Hes more of an ally. The just have a deal together probably for exchange of information

[pure raven]

Only thing we know, wait&see

[sturdy hawk]

Well, tbf, blackbeard's crew has captains, they aren't really his crew

Also, if you ask me the tenth titanic captain got mentioned once in dressrosa and was never brought up again so I don't think it's supposed to be a big deal, hence why i think it's kuzan

[pure raven]

Indeed, Teach is a yonko not really navitaging, he is ruling the hive, while he has a "crew" who deal for him, as big mom or Kaido
And Hawkins, Apoo, and Drake are shinuchi, just because they are strong, kuzan is legitimely a captain if he assist Blackbeard

I think it's weird to think "same crew" for kuzan, but in fact, it's just like the point, that kuzan make a weird move for a mysterious goal

Kuzan is probably uncover like X Drake

[pure raven]

I don't think so, he is problematic for WG
Especially if SWORD is the spies organisation (X drake) who allows them to know the yonko's move. they are directly related to marine.
Even if Drake was spiying Cp0, Stussy was infiltrating directly big mom too.

[quick scarab]

New to the server, my theory is short and sweet.

Similar to Ace making Oars jr. a hat that made oars really like him. I think that someone gave Joyboy a Strawhat and that was uniting factor which we will eventually see. Potentially at the last island there is a bunch of straw hats! because those would be has "treasures".

I made a post about it just now on the subreddit

https://old.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/o0aexl/my_theory_on_the_big_treasure_on_the_last_island/?

[ancient vault]

@tired osprey Better tama makes a bunch of strawhats

[ancient vault]

sadly there are multiple panels with shanks having the strawhat before they reached laughtale

[quick scarab]

any chapter numbers? I believe you and there is also anime footage of roger meeting rayleigh but im trying to find it in the Manga at the moment.

Its also possible that the reason Roger laughed so hard is because of the pile of Straw Hats. Even if he had one before. I think the big Hat in Marineford was a gift.

[quick scarab]

Any chapter roughly where shanks has his hat on before Rogers going to Laugh Tale?

[ancient vault]

I can post multiple panels if u want

[quick scarab]

Thanks!

[ancient vault]

965

966

966

We even see roger with the strawhat before he even created the rocks pirates as we know them today

603 First time meeting rayleigh

[quick scarab]

603 is the one i was looking for

im pretty sure 965 is after hes been to laugh tale. Reyleigh also says in the next panel perhaps there are no coincidences! So perhaps he started with a Straw Hat and thats he laughed so hard at Joyboys Treasures! But I appreciate you finding that chapter for me

[ancient vault]

965 is shortly before they fight WB so its before they reached laugh tale. They reach laugh tale on chapter 967

[quick scarab]

Yeah Great chapter to show it all for me. I still think that the reason everyone laughs when they learn the truth about the will of D and the treasures is because the Straw hats are the treasure and the will of D has something to do with it.

[pure raven]

I think Kaido chooses to stay in Wano because he knows about Joy Boy. He's read Oden's journal and learnt of the Joy Boy prophecy and that he would one day come to Wano. This fits in with Kaido's desire to have a legendary death, what better way to do that than to face the man who's destined to stand atop the world?

[coarse hinge]

So that wasn't Rocks taught him?

[pure raven]

So does this mean Zeus counts as a new strawhat and if Yamato Joins doesn't this put Luffy's crew at like 12 or 13 members. Makes alot of sense though that Part Of Big Moms soul and Kaido's daughter would go to Laugh Tale with Luffy out of the Fact that they are his Main competitors from the previous generation whose goals were to reach laugh Tale and Bigs Moms end all goal is very similar to what Luffy would bring as Pirate King equality for all the Raises. Just has me wondering if there is someone who works with BB that will also Join the Strawhats for a Journey to Raftel. We got someone whose connected to shanks with Luffy and we got people connected to two other yonko so stands to reason that someone from black Beards crew should allign with the Strawhats for a Journey to Raftel and they end up making it instead of BB just like whats about to happen with kaido and Big Mom they won't make it to Raftel but someone connected will.