manga-theories

[pure raven]

protecting toto land

they have a poneglyph there

[supple magnet]

One theory is that katakuri will fight and lose to the Blackbeard Pirates after he comes to steal their poneglyphs

[reef grotto]

sounds like a relatively unimportant task for katakuri

like, how would they even tell us that

[supple magnet]

That could be where Blackbeard is heading to right now

[pure raven]

protecting the poneglyph from blackbeard?

[reef grotto]

uh that's possible

didn't factor in blackbeard

[pure raven]

isn't blackbeard going to alabasta?

[supple magnet]

Blackbeard really is the wild card right now in the story. It’s unclear what his plans are

[reef grotto]

wait a second, where is burgess right now?

[supple magnet]

He could potentially be going there since something happened to alabasta at the Reverie and it’s already known that pluton ties in with alabasta

[pure raven]

since pluton supposedly might be there

[reef grotto]

wasn't burgess tailing someone, maybe the SH, last time we've seen him?

[supple magnet]

Probably with Blackbeard

[reef grotto]

ah no he wanted the mera mera no mi

[supple magnet]

He was on the revolutionary army’s headquarters island and the Bb Pirates attacked but the revs escaped

[reef grotto]

alright I thought these two events happened in the opposite order and he was still stuck there

I didn't even realize the war with the revolutionaries happened because burgess got there by accident

[pure raven]

nah if you read the manga, the wg is giving all the resources into solving some problem. Sabo doesn't seem of that magnitude. He is going after what wg is going after

I think it has to do with the ancient weapon

[supple magnet]

Yeah he called up the Blackbeard Pirates because they could’ve potentially taken the mera mera fruit and Dragons fruit ( if he has one) but the revolutionary army fled to ivankovs island

[reef grotto]

are you talking about burgess? because I was talking about burgess

[pure raven]

oh missunderstood. Was talking about blackbeard

[supple magnet]

My theory is that King Kobra of alabasta knew something about pluton and was confronted about it and maybe even killed. This information was not supposed to be made public but Wapol somehow found out about it and leaked it to Big news Morgan who posted in the paper which is how Blackbeard found out

[pure raven]

Yeah Cobra was probably killed. I can't think of anyone else that would make sense

There is also another attempted assasination

[supple magnet]

Could be vivi or kuma. We know that sabo and the revolutionary commanders clashed with fujitora and ryokugyu so maybe they were involved somehow

One piece theorizing is so much fun

[pure raven]

true hahaha

[reef grotto]

does kaido have a poneglyph?

or maybe, lamest theory, cp0 really are there just to kidnap nico robin lmao

[pure raven]

nah i think they are there to buy weapons. They also were in dressrosa where the revolutionaries stole everything in the aftermath

[reef grotto]

why would they care about the pirates killing each other then

[pure raven]

opportunism? they are just observing

[reef grotto]

they really aren't just observing, they said pirates killing each other makes their work easier

it's implied they're there in part to fight

otherwise why send the whole team if you just wanna buy things

[languid mirage]

They are for the sea stone that orochi and kaido company weaponized

[reef grotto]

okay but what does that have to do with the war

[languid mirage]

I’m not talking about the war just the reason CP0 is wano

[reef grotto]

but the cp0 said they have a stake in this war, and likely against both sides

[languid mirage]

Remember how shocked kobi and drake were

[pure raven]

probably the admirals caught sabo

[languid mirage]

If kaido loses they can’t do business

[reef grotto]

why would they say something like "yeah good keep killing each other" or whatever it is they said then

[languid mirage]

Since wano will open up to the world and most likely side with Luffy

[supple magnet]

Potentially. That would be a good way to hype up ryokugyu if he beat the revs

[reef grotto]

it seems more reasonable to say "go kaido, go" rather than "kill each other please" if they're rooting for kaido, no?

[languid mirage]

Both ways if we look at it from the world government perspective they need to get ride of pirates kaido who is a treat but won’t act and Luffy is who is gonna free the world from there World government

The end is near

So it’s gonna ramp up from here

[reef grotto]

didn't we already say that the WG needs kaido? why are you saying they need to get rid of kaido now?

[languid mirage]

One thing tho where is the other ponygleph

[supple magnet]

Kaido hiding that shit somewhere

[languid mirage]

The lost one

[reef grotto]

yeah this is more likely, I think they might be looking for the poneglyph rather than weapons

having both pirate crews down would help them look for it

[pure raven]

elbaf? hidden by whitebeard?

[languid mirage]

Where it’s last was in fisherman

[languid mirage]

Yah it’s been killing me really

[supple magnet]

My guess is that Marco knows where it is since it was on fishman island and that was whitebeards territory

[languid mirage]

It makes sense since the Neptune acted normal like it wasn’t missing

[languid mirage]

Damn that would be awesome

What are your taughts on Imu sama and the reverie incident

[pure raven]

well imu clearly gave the order to kill someone (cobra/vivi?)

[languid mirage]

Yah and the anime showed alabasta people crying

[supple magnet]

I’ve listed a few reverie theories already. Basically I think that cobra is dead. Pluton being in alabasta was leaked by wapol. Either vivi or kuma were attacked. Sabo and the revs lost to the admirals (might be captured). And Imu is the secret leader of the world government and has begun a cleansing where they begin persecuvuting all threats to their rule.

I honestly think the reverie is the most interesting arc in the series thanks to how many things are going down

[languid mirage]

True that

[languid mirage]

Man this is good can’t wait to see how it turns out

[supple magnet]

Same knowing odas writing I could be completely wrong

[languid mirage]

What about the other 6 or more open chamber’s like the one which stored the giant strawhat

[languid mirage]

Yah he is very unpredictable but in a good

Way it shocks me

[supple magnet]

The giant straw hat could belong to joyboy if the theories that he is a giant are true

[supple magnet]

I have faith in oda after all we’ve seen so far I don’t think he’ll let us down

[languid mirage]

True and he won’t it’s truly intriguing man

[supple magnet]

This aspect of one piece is my favorite. The world in one piece is so interesting with the unknown history and all the world powers that come into play

[pure raven]

i still wonder about shanks and the relationship with the wg

[supple magnet]

I have some guesses on that too

[pure raven]

what disturbs me is the dialogue. why wouldn't shanks need to care about the politics? he is a yonko

or maybe he is also something else

[supple magnet]

In the recent sbs segment, it was confirmed indirectly that roger has held a baby before on his ship. The god valley incident happened 38 years ago and shanks is 39 my theory is that he (and maybe buggy) we’re picked up on god valley. He could be roxs son or a celestial dragon since both were on god valley. He also could have some information about laughtale that could be used for blackmail like do flamingo did.

I think he believes that luffy is joyboy and he is talking about Blackbeard because he thinks he’s a major threat to the world

[exotic echo]

It wouldn't really concern the emperors, to be frank. At least from the elder's perspective he's a pirate and has no place in the world's politics

the reverie is for countries affiliated with the world government

[pure raven]

yonkos are not just pirates though

[exotic echo]

yeah, but what affiliation does that give them with the world government

it's not like the gorosei wouldn't be happy if they all dropped dead and the WG rules the world instead of the balance between the powers

[supple magnet]

They obviously have some sort of respect for shanks to be willing to listen to his opinion

[exotic echo]

I'm talking about their dialogue specifically, what Parid mentioned above

[supple magnet]

They wouldn’t give someone like Kaido the privilege

[exotic echo]

you're misunderstanding entirely

let me go grab the panel

[supple magnet]

You asked what affiliation they had with the WG I was just trying to answer. My bad if I’m misunderstanding something

[exotic echo]

Yeah I might not just be getting across well enough gimme 1 sec

[supple magnet]

Aight

[exotic echo]

When they say "You should have nothing to do with politics" it's just because he's a pirate, not a politician

Not that they don't have respect for him or anything, that's all I mean

[exotic echo]

So when Parid mentioned this, that's what I'm trying to get across. I don't think the line is significant beyond the immediate meaning, which is just that he's a pirate and really has no place at the reverie

[pure raven]

yeah maybe i'm overthinking

[exotic echo]

To me it comes across like they're curious as to why he's here as well

[supple magnet]

Oh I got you

Who do y’all think he snitchin on?

[tranquil mesa]

i think most likely blackbeard

[pure raven]

'certain pirate' gives me other vibes

[weak arrow]

BB and luffy are the boring answers but i definitely dont think it's blackbeard. The Gorosei should already know how big of a threat he is. And Luffy they should know but it's sort of a theme in the story by now that people underestimate him at every turn

[pure raven]

someone not on display?

[weak arrow]

Kid is the only answer that I can realistically say

[exotic echo]

I sort of want it to be a new character, but I'm not sure how much room we have to introduce somebody who'd be so significant. Then again we're running out of enemies for the end of the series potentially, so idk

[grizzled fog]

As fun as it would be for it to be someone other than luffy and Bb, I can’t imagine it not being one of them lol. Blackbeard seems way too likely. I would love if it’s kid, that’d be awesome but that sounds highly unlikely

[pure raven]

i also think about someone new but yeah not sure if there is space to fit him in

[weak arrow]

If it's someone "new", it would be that somehow Rocks is alive

[supple magnet]

He could potentially be taking about a past Pirate like rocks or Roger he might even be talking about a new pirate the “lurking legend”

[reef grotto]

what chapter is it that shanks talks to the gorosei?

[exotic echo]

I'd assume it's more of a present tense thing, but those are certainly possibilities. Maybe there's some world where "some pirate" was just a segue into the actual conversation they had directly afterwards

907

Idk. Given the context of the next chapter as well, I want to say that whichever pirate he's talking about isn't one of the ones Im was cutting up in their chamber. Seems to be two separate things

[reef grotto]

that makes sense

it's actually not too far fetched that it'd be kid, considering shanks' crew has fought him and we know literally nothing of his past, plus he has been interestingly useless in wano for him to be that important, so maybe I'm expecting a flashback or something like that

[ember trench]

Blackbeard is the most predictable answer but also the only one that makes sense

[summer jasper]

When you come check the theories channel for the first time of the day and the first thing you see is shanks and gorosei you know its gonna be good

[reef grotto]

like, kid is losing vs big mom and you get a flashback of him losing his arm to shanks, and shanks talking about him at the same time

[tranquil mesa]

yeah i get that blackbeard's too obvious but shanks seems to be the only person really concerned about him

[ember trench]

Unless it’s Luffy but lol. Oda is going to deliver on the Shanks vs Teach beef eventually.

[exotic echo]

If you mean useless as in insignificant lore-wise, yeah I agree

[summer jasper]

Teach is gonna kill shanks probably

[ember trench]

This seems like setting things up for that. Also when Shanks warned Whitebeard about Teach, it ended up not working out for him in the end. So... yeah. Teach is going to hit the WG hard.

[weak arrow]

Blackbeard doesn't really make sense either unless he thinks the Gorosei are idiots too. It's not like Blackbeard who was hiding his power when he talked to Whitebeard. Blackbeard is a full blown yonko with 2 devil fruits, a very powerful development.

[exotic echo]

At least less significant overall in the story for overarching lore than Luffy & Law have been so far. He's had less attention

[ember trench]

Unless Teach is a significantly bigger threat than just a mere emperor

Which is more than likely the case since he seems like the final big bad

[reef grotto]

I mean he's been the supernova to get the least shine out of the ones on the rooftop alongside killer, so I'm expecting him to have some redeeming arc with some lore added in

[ember trench]

Teach’s ambition will engulf the whole world because he’s following in the footsteps of Xebec

[reef grotto]

law also didn't do that much but we've already seen so much of law it doesn't matter

[summer jasper]

So you think Im is gonna be defeated before blackbeard?

[ember trench]

Around the same time

But I think Teach is Luffy’s last fight

[exotic echo]

What I was going for was more along the lines of how Law's fruit and his backstory are contextually related to a pretty significant part of world events (The CD's treasure & doflamingo) as well as him "breaking the gears", Luffy is significant globally and otherwise for obvious reasons, but Kid really only has his "I'm pissing off yonko, too" and him just having terrorized his way to wano.

I think there's plenty of room for Kid to get something to tie him in personally to the big lore dumps in the later arcs besides just being a contender for PK

[reef grotto]

yeah that too, I'm expecting him to be more important lore wise

oda did say the only supernova that he had plans for from the start was kid, so his backstory might just come at a more meticulous pace than law's

[exotic echo]

Oda has said in the past he planned for Kid to be very significant, so who knows how that turns out. Admittedly though I'd be very surprised if Shanks was talking about him, I'm sort of just going on a tangent here

[ember trench]

I think Kid is just going to be the “always second best” type which might push him to do something nasty later to try to surpass Luffy

Luffy gets the credit for taking down Kaido and leaves him in the dust. Maybe Kid goes after Shanks again.

[exotic echo]

That'd be an interesting avenue

[ember trench]

He’s also going to have to come to blows with Luffy one day anyway

Both want to be king

[supple magnet]

I don’t see kidd being the pirate shanks is referring to. Even luffy and Blackbeard make more sense IMO. https://amp.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/icqwpm/eustass_kid_is_the_son_of_captain_john_theory/ ther is this theory that could give him some relevance though

[exotic echo]

Though, so far, seems like he's gained some sort of "rivalrous" respect for Luffy and it'd be hard to imagine him doing anything dirty

[reef grotto]

kid seems like the guy to have an even more tragic backstory than law imo, it'd explain why he's a piece of shit

[exotic echo]

Essentially this, yeah. It's just an interesting subject

Frankly, i'd be more than "very surprised", I'd actually be shocked if it was Kid that Shanks was talking about

That'd be way out of left field.

[ember trench]

Kid is small potatoes. I don’t see why he’d be dangerous enough for Shanks to speak to the Gorosei. It has to be Blackbeard.

[exotic echo]

I'm still not convinced it's going down a repeat path like that

[supple magnet]

My final guess is Rocks

[reef grotto]

kid feels like he was both left out of major plot points AND onscreen battles so that we could be surprised at how he's actually relevant, it aligns with shanks telling the gorosei something unexpected

that's the best I have going for him though

[exotic echo]

Just doesn't feel right, idk. My first thoughts reading it are A. Luffy and B. Blackbeard, but when I read 908 afterwards their relevance seems to be related to something separate with Im.

Then I move to thinking an unrevealed character. You have to ask yourself "Is there any room for more characters this late that'd be that significant?" I'd instantly jump to "No, there isn't" but I mean, look at the Reverie. Oda dropped a huge bombshell of a character on us then, and with each arc we'll get tons of tertiary characters anyway, so...

Idk. I think I've convinced myself that it's somebody we haven't met yet.

[ember trench]

Can’t see it man. Feels too late in the story to drop someone else like that on us. With Im at least it’s just someone at the top of the ladder for an antagonist faction that has been around for most of the series.

[reef grotto]

I mean one piece would get kinda boring if the last 300 chapters or so only played out with characters we already know

[ember trench]

It won’t be that many chapters lol

[reef grotto]

so one new character might be fine

[exotic echo]

Would have said the same thing before Reverie happened

[ember trench]

But we also have major characters that either haven’t appeared yet or have been kept on the back burner for the endgame

[reef grotto]

how many do you think there'll be? I was gonna guess around 300-200

[ember trench]

Give or take 200

[exotic echo]

I think just over 200 seems like a reasonable number. Or just under

[reef grotto]

we still have elbaf, loguestar island, raftel, the battles with blackbeard and the WG

[tranquil mesa]

wano itself has been over 100 chapters so idk

[ember trench]

Yeah I think all of that and whatever else there is can easily be wrapped with two hundred chapters or less

[exotic echo]

Depends how long Wano goes on and how much endgame stuff is resolved here that we can't forsee yet. If Wano basically ends with BM/Kaido falling out of relevancy, we still have a ton of shit to take care of universally, and idk how many arcs that'll be split into... I'd assume the last arc/arcs (if wano ends like I just said) would be longer than Wano itself

[tranquil mesa]

hopefully we get a huge story dump at the end of wano that outlines the endgame

[reef grotto]

and I'm gonna add one island we don't expect yet, let's say the island where xebec lost or maybe the moon please let us have the moon

[ember trench]

Fuck the moon lol

Last thing I want is space piece

[tranquil mesa]

straw hat pirates sail up a gravity well, make it happen oda

[reef grotto]

nah actually I don't believe we'll have the moon but idk I still want something new near the end

[exotic echo]

The only thing I'll give the moon possible relevance for is Uranus. That's it

and that's obviously a completely wild guess

[ember trench]

I imagine the next saga will be made up of several smaller arcs leading up to a big conclusion

[tranquil mesa]

this overall arc is the yonko arc so i'm assuming shanks/bb show up after wano

[dense wing]

I do wonder if Wano is the end of the Yonko saga

[reef grotto]

we already know all the islands near the end of laugh tale, and we've been anticipated zou and wano since the start of punk hazard, it's been a lot of time since we've seen a completely new island we didn't expect

[dense wing]

Like are we really going to be in this saga until BB is defeated? Idk

[ember trench]

Nah

[dense wing]

Wano may be the end of the Yonko system and end the saga

[tranquil mesa]

how can it if 2 of the 4 haven't shown up tho?

[ember trench]

It’s just a name

[exotic echo]

Well, not completely wild. "personifying the sky" and stuff- also it was said that Uranus was born from Gaia (aka the earth), which would be very fitting for the moon. "uranus came every night to cover the earth and mate with gaia" etc.

so it'd actually be pretty spot-on mythologically if uranus was the moon.

[ember trench]

I do not want space piece

[summer jasper]

Moon is gonna come into play 100%

[tranquil mesa]

also if anything, it's really been a lot more about big mom for most of it

[dense wing]

Moon can come into play through Enel, could be connected to Ancient Kingdom

[ember trench]

I think the scope should remain with the world and the ocean

[dense wing]

Uranus being connected to Sky Islands is something I subscribe to personally

[summer jasper]

it should, be its no gonna

[dense wing]

Roger’s egg being from a sky island

If it is somehow Uranus

This is all headcanon

But I’m saying I prefer sky island Uranus to moon Uranus

[summer jasper]

There is no way we wont talk about the moon. Hell, maybe laughtale is up there

[exotic echo]

doesn't mean there has to be spacesuits and shit lol, but... the cover story being left unspoken of later... the moon being so related to the oceans and sky, etc... just putting it out there

[ember trench]

Thing is, the moon already has an ancient civilization connected to it. Why should it be connected to the ancient kingdom too?

[exotic echo]

not mutually exclusive, necessarily

[reef grotto]

it makes sense lore-wise, it doesn't make sense from the perspective that we're past chapter 1000 and there has been literally 0 hinting that the moon is a place that we could go to

[dense wing]

We are not going to the moon

I’m fully confident about that

[supple magnet]

I think Uranus has something to do with dragons 🐉

[ember trench]

See I think the cover story is an open and closed story thread now. It was just to explain the origin of the sky people through a wacky side story with enel.

[dense wing]

I’m talking about lore connections to the moon

[dense wing]

I wouldn’t be surprised

[exotic echo]

yeah, I'm not saying that we'd go to the moon anyway. fuck that. just saying it'd make plenty of sense

but it could easily be what archer just said, as well.

[supple magnet]

The moon probably won’t happen but I hope some lore gets revealed about it

[dense wing]

Regardless I hope we get Uranus exposition soon

It’s the last weapon we need info on and we should have it before final war

[reef grotto]

I definitely think the moon is gonna come into play for some reason though, yeah, like Enel is coming back 100%

[ember trench]

For me it’s jusy well beyond the scope of what I care about in One Piece. To me OP is about pirates, the sea, the government etc. and this close to the endgame I don’t want any outside elements like aliens and space coming in and oversaturating it

Enel is unlikely to come back imo

[dense wing]

I agree, but something like Ancient kingdom was founded by aliens doesn’t change any of that

[exotic echo]

well, best guesses are the moon or a giant Roc that hatched from roger's egg. or some shit

[ember trench]

I think the CDs might have Uranus

[reef grotto]

it's gonna be like crocodile and the cp9, they've been given such relevance in the cover stories that it's impossible he won't come back too

[exotic echo]

remember when shiki asked about roger's weapon

[dense wing]

If National “treasure” ISNT Imu I can see it being Uranus

[ember trench]

Enel’s cover story was more than five hundred chapters ago

And it was totally disconnected from everything else aside from an origin for the sky people

[reef grotto]

no shapeshifting uranus that tells Imu what to destroy?

[reef grotto]

I mean, that's the same thing for crocodile and cp9, hell they even started a bar

[exotic echo]

we've sort of gotten a "land/sea/sky" thematic lining up so far, so I'm leaning towards things that are sky-related, not just because of the naming convention but because of the other two weapons

[ember trench]

Enel also doesn’t have a reason to return. He never cared about the Blue Sea

So why would he come back now

[exotic echo]

involuntarily, perhaps. idk

[dense wing]

IF ancient kingdom was founded by aliens, Enel could hear about it and want to rule said kingdom

[ember trench]

Why would it be founded by aliens

[reef grotto]

because he discovered the infinite vearth isn't that special and the moon robots told him to

just guessing

[ember trench]

https://tenor.com/view/ren-and-stimpy-patiently-waiting-ten-gif-12584517

[dense wing]

There’s a full theory thread I think ab Ancient Kingdom being advanced and originally founded by aliens

All headcanon ofc

It’s just theory

[ember trench]

Hate it

[dense wing]

Like I said, if it is, which it may not be, Enel may hear ab it and want to rule said kingdom

[ember trench]

Where would he hear about it

[dense wing]

The aliens on the moon who pass down the legend

[ember trench]

How would they hear about it

[dense wing]

From their ancestors who come and go from earth or something idk

I’m reaching ofc

[ember trench]

They stayed on the moon. It was the sky people who left.

[dense wing]

Fair

[ember trench]

https://tenor.com/view/ancient-aliens-gif-19210634

[reef grotto]

I can't find the chapter where enel looks at the murals of the ancient weapons

[ember trench]

It does not exist

If you mean the murals on the moon it just shows the exodus of the sky people

[modest skiff]

I think they’ve got something and it’s the only reason the navy listens to them. CDs have the world hostage

[feral pike]

is otama = yamato and ace son?

[grizzled fog]

Jesus no

[pure raven]

That makes no sense

[reef forum]

blackbeard is weak and doesn't have strong haki. he couldn't even gurantee a win against a single admiral with gura gura no mi and four legendary pirates

[grizzled fog]

His haki probably isn’t that impressive compared to the other yonko, which is fine because he compensates with two of the strongest devil fruits in the series. lol

Blackbeard definitely got stronger after fleeing from Akainu anyway, we also know he beat Marco and the other wb remnants in the payback war

[reef forum]

shiryu was on par with magellan, which is already as strong as an yonko's vice captain, plus four op pirates that the government wanted to hide its' existence can already prove it being dangerous enough, as beating jewlery bonny won't even let BB break a sweat

[grizzled fog]

I mean Akainu alone obviously would’ve lost to BB and his whole crew there and then lol, I don’t think anyone would deny that. But BB himself probably just wasn’t strong enough to reliably take him down

[reef forum]

yeah but even with his whole crew he fled the scene

[grizzled fog]

Yea, he probably didn’t want half his brand new crew to be massacred in the fight lol. It just wasn’t worth it

[supple magnet]

The admirals are really strong

[modest skiff]

I still think BB has some kinda checkmate scenario outlined once he gets the right devil fruits. Like “once I have these 5 fruits, game over”

[dense wing]

Blackbeard will show us exactly why DF's > Haki

[pure raven]

2 DFs>haki

[dense wing]

3, depending on what happens

[reef forum]

he still ain't confrimed to have conqueror right?

[dense wing]

Nope

[pure raven]

nope

[dense wing]

He may not have it

That'd be cool

The whole "you're not the chosen one" shtick

[pure raven]

it'd be cool but he probably does

[dense wing]

"Fake" D, no CoC, just an anti-Luffy

[dense wing]

Maybe

I'm fine either way

[modest skiff]

Luffy vs BB is going to be the most frustrating fight of the series

[pure raven]

yeah i'd be fine either way also

[agile stream]

BB about to be broken

[last void]

If BB has a Powerful Haki,that guy is definitely broken

[last void]

Wdym by Fake-D?

[supple magnet]

It’s theorized that every will of D does with a smile on their face but when Teach was about to be killed by whitebeard he was scared and didn’t smile

[last void]

What about Law?

[grizzled fog]

Right, but he didn’t die

He almost did, but he didn’t.

[supple magnet]

Ik just stating the theories

[supple magnet]

Before law was going to be shot by doffy he cracked a smile an flipped him off

[last void]

ah ok

[queen wind]

i think i just saw the most accurate, borderline spoilerish theory on one piece

[supple magnet]

Let’s hear it

[queen wind]

https://youtu.be/lkelHLQwHWo

it seems very accurate so dont blame me if 5 years later this is what actually happens

[supple magnet]

I’ve seen that one. I like the idea of the red line being destroyed. I think the fact the luffy will destroy fishman island is the best evidence for this theory because if he destroys the red line at marijoa then fishman Island would be destroyed

Sounds very likely honestly

[queen wind]

and this theory also has imu as potentially the main antagonist

[supple magnet]

@worldly lagoon why you do me like that

[queen wind]

and how he already made friends with shirahoshi and with the alabasta kingdom who knows about neptune

[supple magnet]

Another relevant theory but I slightly prefer Blackbeard as the main antagonist mostly because it’s been setup for a while. Luffy does have a lot of allies. It’s just like mihawk said that’s his strongest power

[queen wind]

yea, same

[last void]

What could be the Bounties of the crew after Wano?

[grizzled fog]

Luffy 3 bil
Kid 2.2 bil
Law 1.9 bil
Zoro 750-1.1 bil
Sanji 750-1.1 bil
Killer 750 mil
Jinbe 650-900 bil
Franky 300 mil
Robin 400 mil
Brook 250mil
Nami 160 mil
Usopp 300 mil (?)
Chopper 500 berries - 150 mil
My predictions

[weak arrow]

I expect more of them to get a standard bump, like post-dressrosa. Maybe 100m+ added to most of their bounties. Then Sanji and Zoro fight for some 800-900m status. Luffy gets like 2.5b. Kid and Law get like 1b

Killer excluded cause he dies, unfortunately

[queen wind]

luffy 3 billion is plausible imo because he's gonna defeat an alliance between TWO yonkous

[grizzled fog]

If both yonko fall which I think they do I can’t imagine kid and law being that low

[modest skiff]

Luffy should be 3+ and Zoro should be 1+ billion. The rest feels harder to define

[last void]

I expect Robin's Bounty to shoot up to almost a Billion

[grizzled fog]

I kinda doubt that, but maybe

[last void]

Atleast 700 mil+

[queen wind]

nah, robin is not gonna go that big

[grizzled fog]

I anticipate a 100mil default increase for everyone involved

[last void]

If the WG knows that they have 3 out of the 4 Red Poneglyphs,her bounty is def gonna Shoot up

[queen wind]

well, it depends on drake right?
drake is the one who's gonna give the marines information

[last void]

Default in Dressrosa was 50 Mil+

[grizzled fog]

I’m aware

[queen wind]

oh yea

[last void]

Here it might be about 200 mil+

[mild kite]

I think choppers bounty will still have the "100 berries" in his bounty to continue the gag but still give him a deserving bounty. For example, 200,000,100.

[modest skiff]

You could argue Momo should have a bounty now if WG assumes he can read glyphs lol

[amber oar]

Does the WG even know the Kozuki clan could read them?

[modest skiff]

I mean if Wano made em, apparently they can read em, I think WG assumes as much

[oak mural]

do wg knows that sh have access to 2 ponegliphs red ones

[amber oar]

at most they may know they took a copy from BM's

[modest skiff]

WG does not know about the fishman island one right

[amber oar]

Zou having a red poneglyph must be one of the better guarded secrets in the world

[modest skiff]

or wait it was a normal glyph at fishman

[amber oar]

FMI originally had two, a normal and a red

but by the time the SHs arrived, only the normal was there

[modest skiff]

where'd the other go, BM?

[amber oar]

Unknown for now
The one at WCI was a different poneglyph, and Roger had got a copy even before finding the one in FMI

[modest skiff]

So probably: Zou, Wano, Elbaf, ??

Makes sense for that to be where the 4 of em are

[amber oar]

Used to be FMI, Zou, WCI, Wano
now the FMI one is missing

[modest skiff]

yeah i just assume the one at WCI was from somewhere else unless WCI used to be some other significant country

So you're saying BM has a glyph that we don't know where its from, but we know its not fishman?

[cedar sinew]

it's stated Roger got it directly from BM

and yes it's different than the one from FMi

[modest skiff]

Makes me think WCI was something special before it was WCI

[cedar sinew]

Eh. More inclined to think BM just brought it there

[olive quail]

It seems like Zou and Wano's Road Poneglyphs were there since the 100 year void, and likely Fishman Island's as well (though its not there anymore), since the Island's history seems to be connected to Joyboy. I wonder where Big Mom got hers? I can't imagine it being Elbaf since I dont think she stepped foot in there ever since she was a child. Maybe she got it at God Valley, when the crew split following Xebec's death.

I doubt it's something that matters enough to be answered but it's interesting to wonder about

[visual plinth]

My headcanon for now until it's revealed is BM got her's from elbaf so the 4 original locations would be Wano,FMI,Zou and Elbaf and as so where the the FMI one is probably in elbaf? maybe shanks took it there? it's all a mystery at this point

[olive quail]

Elbaf was the first one to come to mind for me too but how would she have gotten it? She's not welcome to go there and if she had she probably would have forced some giants to come to Whole Cake

[visual plinth]

well yea that's the issue but i can't see it being anywhere else

[olive quail]

God Valley could be a possibility like i said

[oak mural]

or wb hid it ?

[olive quail]

No we're talking about where BM's poneglyph came from

Not fishman island's

[visual plinth]

you guys think it's possible that BM's poneglyph was the one from FMI since Jinbei was a part of her crew maybe he got it for her?

[olive quail]

No it was there since roger

[amber oar]

No, because Roger got a copy of BM's one even before finding the one in FMI

[visual plinth]

oh shoot nvm lmao

I'm dumb

[olive quail]

Jinbe did get one for her just not a red one and not from fmi

[modest skiff]

Kaido took over Wano. BM took over some other place. Makes sense to me

[olive quail]

Sure but the road poneglyphs are all located somewhere significant to the true history

Except for big mom's

[modest skiff]

Right and I think it’s possible there’s still another big deal place we don’t know about

[visual plinth]

yea and that's why I don't see WCI being the original place of the poneglyph

[olive quail]

Ehh i think we have all the big deal places we're gonna get. This is the end game and Oda still needs to flesh out the places we already know about

[visual plinth]

I'd say the 2 best possibilities rn would be god valley and Elbaf

[modest skiff]

I think a surprise important place would be a very Oda thing to do

[visual plinth]

i really doubt we're getting a new Island at this point

[modest skiff]

I think Elbaf also makes sense. I think Elbaf has a strict policy of never being military aggressive

[olive quail]

Its a nation of warriors

[modest skiff]

It’s possible BM stole it and they didn’t chase due to some kinda passivity

[olive quail]

I think no one wants to fuck with them

[modest skiff]

Plenty of giants have been kidnapped and nothing happens

Remember the guys at enieslobby? I think Elbaf will kill intruders but never attack others

[olive quail]

I think its more like their sense of honor wont allow them to intervene

The giants are very big on individual honor. They wouldnt want others to interfere on their behalf for the most part

[modest skiff]

Maybe but I still think there’s something unique and interesting about giant society

[last void]

I think the Final Red Poneglyph is with Shanks

[olive quail]

I really hope Oda makes it clear how the Elbaf giants are independent from both the Emperors and WG despite being deep in the New World. Giants are strong but we havent seen much from them strength-wise, at least when compared to an Emperor's crew or the entirety of the marines. I guess an entire country of sufficiently strong giant warriors could overwhelm an Emperor's crew. Maybe

[grizzled fog]

Giants are dealing insane, 1 or 2 is probably worth hundreds of men, now imagine an army of powerful giant warriors

Even an emperor would have difficulty conquering them

[modest skiff]

I think basically nothing wins vs 50,000 giants

[grizzled fog]

Dunno how many there are but yes

[modest skiff]

No character in the series deals enough damage quickly enough to dispatch tens of thousands of giants. Probably way more than 50k, I'm being conservative

[olive quail]

Almost definitely, I think so too. The question we were asking is where BM's red poneglyph came from, like its original resting place.

[modest skiff]

Like imagine if 1000 giants charged at marineford. There simply isn't enough damage being done to prevent MF from being toppled

[olive quail]

I wonder how many giants Aokiji could give the Saul treatment at once 🤔

[grizzled fog]

I mean quite a few, he can freeze massive areas nigh instantaneously

[modest skiff]

I also expect Elbaf has its own super haki dudes. I don't think its just ooga booga over there

[olive quail]

Im just saying i hope it isnt where the peak is dorry and broggy. Theyre strong but not that strong

[modest skiff]

I can't imagine a world where they are actually the peak. Luffy would dumpster them both 2v1 right now

[grizzled fog]

The peak wouldn’t be broggy and dorry anyway, I’d say Hajrudin trumps them

[olive quail]

Ehh thats debateable

[modest skiff]

yeah he does and I expect Elbaf has a distinguished military with all sorts of dudes above haj

[olive quail]

They cut a massive hole together against an island sized fish. Hajrudin uppercutted like 10 million kilograms. I actually dont know h9w to compare those two feats nvm lol

[modest skiff]

yeah i mean that's not a standard measurement lol

If nothing else, we can look at where Elbaf falls in the plot and decide "You know, I bet this is more powerful than hundreds of episodes ago"

[grizzled fog]

This is one of the most incredible feats of physical strength we’ve seen in the entire series

Dorry and broggy were impressive but I’d honestly say that Luffy right before the timeskip might’ve been able to take them, with G2 and G3.

[modest skiff]

wow that's 9 million kg LOL

yeah see so that's why i see giants as glass cannons. Luffy 1 shotted him but he also lifted 9 million kg

[cedar sinew]

it's 10 million kg

[modest skiff]

google said 9071847 kg

[cedar sinew]

1 metric ton = 1000 kg

[modest skiff]

weird lol, oh this is USA ton

[cedar sinew]

yeah idk wtf usa ton is lmfao

[modest skiff]

why the f does the US have their own ton? lol

[grizzled fog]

we’re special

[modest skiff]

either way, that's a completely insane feat of strength

[cedar sinew]

and then you have Kaido lifting an entire island

while fighting, and getting bored

[grizzled fog]

That’s still completely nutty to me. He can pretty much destroy anything he wants like that. Shit he could fly Onigashima to Marie Jois and drop it and literally no one would be capable of stopping him at all except MAYBE Fujitora.

[cedar sinew]

it's like doffy's birdcage but on crack

[olive quail]

Considering what he did in dressrosa with the rubble i think fujitora could stop it. They seem comparable in size

[cedar sinew]

nah they're not really comparable lol

[grizzled fog]

Onigashima is probably way bigger, not even close to the rubble he lifted

[olive quail]

Onigashima isnt a big island

[grizzled fog]

I do think Fujitora could probably stop it but he’s probably the only one in the entire world who can do so

[olive quail]

Could aokiji freeze the island in place?

[cedar sinew]

no

[modest skiff]

onigashima is wayyyyyyyyy bigger

[cedar sinew]

it' sstill fall

[grizzled fog]

Like, in the air? No

[cedar sinew]

maxed out BB could potentially break it into pieces then suck it all in

[grizzled fog]

I don’t even think Bb can do it

I think it takes an attack of similar scale to the Hakai from BM and Kaido to destroy something of that size

[modest skiff]

yeah, agreed, its just so huge

[polar bison]

all 3 admirals and fleet admiral working together maybe then?

5 elders working together?

[modest skiff]

i don't think we have reason to assume the elders are able to fight

[grizzled fog]

The most the admirals together (minus fuji) would be able to do is MAYBE break the island into a couple pieces, but then thered still be massive chunks of debris that would still absolutely devastate whatever it falls on.

Onigashima is too freakin huge

[modest skiff]

i think enough pirates are strong enough to destroy MJ that there must be a reason its a bad idea

I feel like all the emporers have the resources to do some kinda terrorism secret thing to blow a hole through it

[junior cape]

Speaking of blowing holes through things, why dont the navy just dig a giant tunnel through the red line? They clearly have the destructive power to do so. It would make global trade so much easier.

[grizzled fog]

Pretty sure they want as few routes from one part of the grand line to the other as possible, less paths for pirates to take

[weary cliff]

One of them has a sword that's all but confirmed to be the highest level of meito. Could be purely ornamental, but there's a chance they have some combat ability

[last void]

Is there any difference in Power Level between an Admiral and a Fleet Admiral?

Or is just the positions?

[oak mural]

fleet admiral more powerful and experienced ?

[teal nymph]

fleet admiral desk job while admiral more hands on ?

[cyan berry]

@glacial arch keep this channel for serious theories only please

you've posted the link twice already

dont make it a third

[proud tree]

Can admirals destroy the birdcage?

from outside*

[teal nymph]

akainu could probably

[heady cairn]

Starting other topic, do you think any muwigara will die?

I think if someone die maybe be ussop or zoro

I don't think this can happen in Wano, but in the last arc, that maybe will be the final war

[compact magnet]

Usopp has the biggest chance and maybe luffy at the very end of the series but everyone else has a 0% chance. I don’t think people will be happy if usopp dies so I personally don’t think it’s going to happen

[queen wind]

They have battle scars and one of them has a sword
I believe they can fight
The battle scars at least say that they did fight in their youth

[queen wind]

No I don't think any strawhat will die

[heady cairn]

Yeah, ussop don't have much space in battle, he need more and he want to go back to his village, maybe marry with Kaya and tell his real adventures. Zoro can die, because, like we saw in Thriller Bark, he can die for his captain and maybe become the best swordsman and die after that

[rain rivet]

i feel like it's too early for a straw hat to die

[pure raven]

too early in wano

[rain rivet]

yea

maybe in the finale arc but it's really too early

[carmine sparrow]

hm

[rain rivet]

if it seems zoro will die remember he will get lost on the way

[heady cairn]

NO WAY

[night jewel]

@kindred hollow

[kindred hollow]

oh mb

[modest skiff]

Wonder if maybe they’re all immortal from farming the op op fruit

[weary cliff]

The WG is aware enough of the Ope Ope to try and secure it back in Law flashback. So they may have used it before. And it anyone has, its Imu and then the Gorosei. Pretty likely they are immortals

[modest skiff]

Yeah that’s what I think too. They probably try to basically go down the ranks and eventually make all the CDs immortal too

[queen wind]

There can be one fruit like that but not 5

[modest skiff]

Once someone is immortal, find it again and repeat

[queen wind]

Maybe imu is immortal
All the way from 800 years ago

[modest skiff]

I don’t think only one person can be immortal at one time

[queen wind]

Joyboy's enemy

[queen wind]

Wdym

[weary cliff]

6 different Ope Ope users made all 6 immortal

[queen wind]

Oh nvm I get it now lol
I'm dumb

[weary cliff]

In sequence. I think that's why blondie looks sort of younger, and some look decrepit. Went down the line over years. You're good

Now that you mention it, the ope ope is a great example for that argument yesterday whether DF effects can linger after the user's death. Or maybe that wasn't this server..

[modest skiff]

Yesterday I argued certain devil fruits effects remain after death if they are fruits that physically change things rather than momentarily influencing them

[weary cliff]

Seems reasonable

[modest skiff]

As an example, Akainu unleashes a bunch of lava on an island, that island is not restored to its perfect self after Akainu finally rots in hell

[pure raven]

So I was wondering about the war which will erupt in future after the reveal of one piece in which ancient weapon will be used against certain big figure so I want to ask will luffy get help from country's like alabast,wano,zou,dressrossa,fishermen island.

It will be certainly a huge war which will throw the world upside down and after knowing the truth of WG I don't think these countries won't help luffy

[modest skiff]

I’d say that’s the minimum of nations that will help him

[tardy dock]

Luffy will probably get pluton from alabasta, shirahoshi is his friend and is Poseidon. Final weapon will probably be in the hands of Blackbeard or the WG

[last void]

Well isn't the Gaon Cannon in the Sunny a Mini version of the Pluton?

[tardy dock]

True true, what I’m thinking is that Alabasta will provide Pluton, which either gets destroyed after very minimal use or hijacked by enemy forces, then Franky who has memorized the blueprints will outfit the sunny to become a stronger replica to fight back.

[weary cliff]

Its speculated, but by no means confirmed. Besides, the plans that Franky had were for a countermeasure to Pluton. So if anything, the Sunny would be modeled off of that, not the actual ancient weapon

[crystal quiver]

What do you guys think of this?

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMdexy3ma/

[cedar sinew]

pretty much meaningless

[full crown]

But the countermeasure for Pluton was to build another Pluton.

[modest skiff]

Yeah I thought he saw pluton schematics

[ember trench]

The blueprints were the same ones that were used to build the original pluton

[crude abyss]

I'm not that good at writing my thoughts in a clear concise matter, and IDK if its already been brought up here, but what do you guys think of Kaido's eventual ending, of being him not killed, but permanently paralyzed?

[lusty hatch]

That would be the ultimate disgrace for someone seeking a valiant death. I'd be a bit disappointed because I'm starting to like Kaido
However it would be interesting to see someone evil as Kaido being unable to achieve their dream.

[maiden terrace]

You guys know when Oden, WB and Roger were sitting together and it was referencing the Ace Luffy Sabo scene, I just realised that Oden, WB, Roger are all dead. I really hope that Sabo and Luffy don’t die

Sabo is currently unknown so

[fallow knot]

Do you guys know in thriller bark how lola figured out about eating shadow can make luffy strong enough to take down moria. I guess it's bcoz of seeing big mom fruit power. Maybe bigmom strength is bcoz of same idea. She consumed part of soul from the people of whole cake island and her opponents.

[fallow knot]

Sabo dont gonna die soon. He will play major role in final fight

[olive quail]

Shadows arent the same as soul and BM cant put souls in people, only animals and inanimate objects. Lola spent a long time in Thriller Bark. Im sure after a certain amount of time she figured it out.

[fallow knot]

But she consumes a part of soul from others

[tardy dune]

No, she takes it out and puts it in objects

[fallow knot]

Yes she is a natural born monster but after consuming a part of other's soul her strength increased. Thts why when she lost consciousness she gets hurt

[tardy dune]

I really don't think so. Otherwise we'd see her taking Lola's dad's soul and eating it, likely (i forgot his name)

[modest skiff]

And franky said he never forgets a diagram

[vast skiff]

Does anyone have any good theories on Shiki and what he's up to?

[weary cliff]

Probably just retired. He had some plans in chapter 0, but outside of setting up for the movie we aren't going to see him again

[olive quail]

I like to think that the Sunny is a sort of Pluton-lite that Franky conciously or unconciously created based on the memorized blueprints. Perhaps at the climax of the series if say the WG or some other enemy recovers the og Pluton Franky will essentially build a copy using the Sunny as a base, basically upgrading the Sunny.

[queen arrow]

Lola figured that out by experimenting with the zombies for the long time she stayed there, there's no indication that Big Mom's fruit can do anything similar to that in fact there's evidence saying she cannot do that

[foggy umbra]

What if luffy lets tama and momo on the ship as apprentices because they have no family in wano. Tama only has the sword craftsman, and all the scabbards are probably gonna die which means momois going to be alone too

[weak arrow]

Momo has his sister

Also if you forgot his sister and think all the scabbards are gonna die, who did you think was gonna run wano?

[grizzled fog]

I don’t think all the scabbards are dying, I imagine Shinobu, Kawamatsu, one of the dukes and maybe Denjiro will live.

[weak arrow]

Denjiro will live just because he’s way too good at finances

[foggy umbra]

Momo after hes done sailing the sees with luffy just like oden with roger

[weak arrow]

yeah but who in your mind was gonna lead it when he was gone

[foggy umbra]

Hiyori

[weak arrow]

Yeah but you said momo is alone so that's not who you thought

[foggy umbra]

Well hiyori is 18 years older now and tbh i kinda forgot she was his sister lol

[maiden terrace]

The parallels are there. I just hope it doesn’t happen

[cedar sinew]

there's no parallel between the deaths. They're dead because they're old and from the past era

[modest skiff]

My hope is that Garp turns on Navy at the last moment and frees sabo

Gonna be really funny if we were bamboozled and sabo is fine lol

[olive quail]

Sabo for sure not dead. He wouldnt be offscreened and Oda wouldnt do a Donut 2.0 with Ace 2.0

[fallow knot]

About luffy I think in the end he surrendered himself to marine and will be executed in logue town. Tht will be a satisfactory ending

[pure raven]

if dragon has the wind devil fruit, i have a feeling thats going to be the devil fruit that nami eats

he'll die and it'll grow on her tangerine tree

that tangerine tree is going to spawn something

[tardy dune]

tbf that would be a nice way to introduce a fruit to another crew member

[pure raven]

yea ive been thinking devil fruit will grow there since her trees were introduced

[tardy dune]

and nami seems most liable to gain one
She doesn't have good haki in combat, her skills as far as we've seen aren't the best, we aren't sure how much stronger Zeus will make her, her clima-tact isn't the best weapon normally

[pure raven]

i think she's going to soon get left in the dust by usopp too

because elbaf is coming up and he's going to get stronger

[tardy dune]

oh yeah 100%

plus usopp has observation haki which already is a pretty good boost to his sniping

If he gets armament to a really good level, which he likely will on elbaf, he'll start catching up to Chopper level at least

Probably passing Chopper even, i am unsure if chopper has armament haki

[young mica]

since toki was alive in the void century i bet she sent joyboy into the future

[tardy dune]

Would she have seen joyboy?

[sacred hawk]

So if we get a Kaido flashback and see Kaido's wife, do we call her Mamato?

[pseudo citrus]

I heard Yamomto and Yamomo, yours is better

[teal crag]

I got a feeling Luffy is gonna awaken his devil fruit in Onigashima

[tardy dune]

Do we know if Paramecia can get awakened? /gen

[grizzled fog]

Yes they can, doffy and kata are both paramecia

[tardy dune]

Ah, thought Dofy was a logia and Kata is... Honestly basically a logia

[modest skiff]

Not dead but it seems insanely implied he is captured. I hope he is. I want to see a re-do of MarineFord where the WG/Navy get completely dumpstered. I want it to be when Akainu dies

[oak mural]

that would be final war ig

[olive quail]

Honestly I wouldn't like that simply because it makes Sabo even more of an Ace clone. I really want to see Oda do more with Sabo without making him even more similar to Ace.

[modest skiff]

What about after being rescued? Sabo can still do a lot. I honestly really like the idea of Luffy suffering enormously after the loss of Ace, getting stronger, growing and then saving Sabo, from the same people, because he grew

[olive quail]

In a case like that though it's basically the endgame. The WG is gone after that and there's nothing left for Sabo to do in the story because it's more or less over at that point

Oda can show how Luffy is strong enough to protect his friends without recreating Marineford

[modest skiff]

I could see a fight where Akainu is killed by Luffy, Sabo is saved, but they need to retreat, so they do, but they won

[olive quail]

I doubt Akainu is dying anytime before the climax of the series

[oak mural]

bb will kill akainu prolly

[visual merlin]

that sounds like a big spoiler @fallow knot , avoid other series please

[pure raven]

Ive been thinking about what kaido said and the voice of all things concept. Ive thought of a good way to end his sentence of "The more you smile, the more you" I think it ends with "The more you hear (The voice) or (the voice of all things)

[last void]

Yes.My theory is that he will unconsciously use it to prevent the Onigashima Castle from completely destroying the Flower Capital\

[fallow knot]

I guess how tengu hitetsu explaining about fire festival it is related to takarabune tale. Takarbune is a treasure ship which is ploted through heavens by seven lucky gods during three days of Japanese new year. Maybe during or at the end of it we can see Roger and Owen's spirit meeting momo and luffy

[median flicker]

just find something so funny

[last void]

[cedar sinew]

@median flicker no memes on this channel please

[median flicker]

ok thx fyi

[silk trout]

Luffy's devil fruit awakening should be pretty useless. many people are talking about him awakening his devil fruit with his battle with kaido. So here's the point, dofy and katakuri both of them can produce string and mochi and control them. But luffy can do neither of those. His body is naturally rubber and he can't do anything much to it. So dofy and katakuri should be able to turn their environment into string and mochi to control them while luffy should be able to turn it into rubber and can't control it. Now the ability of turning things into rubber is pretty useless if we can't control them. To addition, kaido can fly in the sky which might not even have a single effect on him

[cedar sinew]

We don’t know how that’ll turn out

You can’t just assume he’ll turn anything into rubber

Because his df inherently isn’t like that, as you’ve said

[reef forum]

well, techinically it's wrong as all the df awakening outcome is like exactly the same thing the paramecia user uses as demonstrated by katakuri and mingo, both were mochi and string respectively

[grizzled fog]

We’ve only seen two paramecia awakenings though. And they could both produce their material. Luffy is a different paramecia

[silk trout]

Doflamingo said "The ability will rarely awaken and it will start to affect things other than the user's body." We have nothing to affect it on, and it most likely won't affect opponent's body

[reef forum]

but sure it might be something like katakuri changing the wall in the mirror to only have mochi's effect and without turning into mochi itself

[reef forum]

that would have been very op lol

[silk trout]

All types of df will have a different effect. Paramecia has the ability to change its environment. Zoan has the ability to affect their body into huge monsters like chopper (probably) and logia idk. Logia might be related to the fight between akainu and aokiji in punk hazard

[queen wind]

Luffy is a creative mf
He will figure something out

[reef forum]

no, that's not the case, croc already confirmed that awakened zoans have stronger body and faster regen, not huge go brrrrrr

[lilac cloud]

Even if he couldn’t control the rubber that he turns his environment into, being able to bounce off of it would add to his speed and power

[rotund remnant]

Luffy dosent need to awaken his devil fruit. He already broke past what we thought he could do with rubber. With Gears and Haki. That in itself is in awakening of his devil fruit.

[weary cliff]

If it was, you'd think Doffy or Kata would have commented on it. You can bet your bottom dollar if a power up like this is teased in a shonen manga, the protag will get it by series end

[true flame]

im is a root prefix of immortal

[pure raven]

Does anyone think Broggy and Dorry from Elbaf are Haki if not CoCting users?

[craggy pumice]

No

Maybe Haki

[pure raven]

I mean they r stated as the strongest warriors of Elbaf even if it was 100 years ago

[craggy pumice]

100 years ago the top tiers might not have had CoCting yet

We dont know what other powerful people back then existed anyway

[old lion]

Does anyone think that Fujitora might be working against the world government as he hates the way they do things. Maybe him and ryougoku made an alliance of some sort.

[celest mica]

he is with the revelu'tion army

[old lion]

Yeah something like that but idk

[weary cliff]

I bet he has his own agenda. If he was just a revo, he wouldn't have wasted Sabo's time in Dressrosa

[heady cairn]

I believe that he is helping Sabo, and that bad news about him was fake, but he is still in the marine

[weak arrow]

He just Didn’t like the warlords, probably has a bad history with them. Saying he’s with the revos would be like saying smoker is

[formal quest]

It was said that Red Hair will make his move this year..........only six months left so at most 20-21 chapters?? You guys think it's still possible??

[last void]

Sadly No

Unless he makes an Appearance in Onigashima War,no

[orchid meteor]

red hair is kid

[last void]

I think when Oda Said that Red-Haired would Make an Appearance,he might have Meant Kidd

[compact magnet]

Yes I think it is
We usually get a break from wano after acts and if act 3 ends by the end of the year
Maybe we’ll see something by from him between act 3 and 4

[last void]

Hmm.If Act 3 is to ever end,it would be at Ch.1018

[formal quest]

Actually I am curious about what Kid will do after the defeat of Kaido and Big Mom...........I don't see him having a party with the people & SHs and him being just happy happy

[orchid meteor]

might be he want to challenge shanks back

to take back his hand

[pastel summit]

he will leave and bolster up his forces probably. SHs will stay on Wano for a while. like torao said, he might go to Shanks, or he goes to Lodestar since he doesn't know about what the road poneglyphs are (assuming).

[patent summit]

Probably have a small banter and then heading off to sea. Probably saying something like "time to take red hairs head" or something like that

[fathom matrix]

TBH, if he does get an awakening, I think Gear 5th would be that. Like, does every gear need to be from his body specifically?

Gear 2nd is pumping blood for speed, Gear 3rd is bone ballooning for power, Gear 4th is both haki and muscle ballooning for a transformation.

Why not have Gear 5 be an area of effect, so make it easier for him to figh opponents?

[sick valley]

Zehhahzhafjaga

[desert island]

Like Katakuri?

Being able to make surroundings rubber or somethign along those lines

[fathom matrix]

Yeah, I think a lot of logias are like that, so I think Luffy would make rubber world or something.

[vital pilot]

This has to be foreshadowing. When the red line is destroyed. Sanji will infact find all blue on fishman island. Or at that area

[last void]

Imagine Luffy Vulcanising his entire body

[fathom matrix]

Yeah, there are a LOT of theories that the redline is artificial and when they find the one piece, it's gonna get destroyed

[last void]

Basically Red Hawk on steroids

[desert island]

From what I've seen recently it's shirahoshi calming the sea kings in the calm belt and Franky building pluton to decimate the red line

Thus creating the all blue where all seas are connected

[vital pilot]

Laboon is just opposite side at the end of all blue.

[fathom matrix]

would be pretty funny or ironic if we found out, that the all blue was the only piece of translated void century information that got leaked, and it was fabricated as a story/fairytale

[desert island]

Hoping we see a void century flashback similar to odens flashback soon

[fathom matrix]

Like, the government wanted to silence everything, but that was the ONE THING, that went under their noses. I know there's the ponoglyphs, but I mean just translated stuff

[last void]

And Add Awakening to that

He becomes Very much like Ace

[vital pilot]

So many so many side story are there for op.

[fathom matrix]

Do you think Yamato's mother was someone who was on the rocks crew? I don't mean he was born on their ship, as he's 28 and god vally was 38 years ago. But like, Kaido met some woman on the Rocks crew who he either did or didn't get along with, but like, they met up again.

Let's say she was a very aggressive, rude, strong character who Kaido wither rekindled with or met again.

Do you think it was a situation where Kaido didn't know he had a kid and was like "oh cool, free kid, I'll take" or he actually did want a kid wuth this woman" but he just took the kid and told her to screw off, because she was probably brutal too, they fought over Yamato and whoever won (no shock kaido) would have custady, or maybe yamato's mother died in a fight or a disease.

[rigid shoal]

inb4 the mom is Big Mom xD

jk, but i think if we get a flashback we will see something or at least get a hint about the mom

but I am curious, as Luffy is another character whose mom has not been mentioned once

[sand sail]

Oda does that on purpose, mothers aren't something he likes expanding on for the most part

Luffy's specifically, he's denounced as being not interested in making important

[rigid shoal]

kinda i guess, we had sanji's, ussop, and even nami

[pseudo citrus]

-Orochi wanted to be Shogun and was more or less completely under Kaido's control.
-Yamato is out of control to the point that just getting them to come to a party warrants a shot at challenging a calamity for their status. From Yamato's surprise at hearing Kaido's announcement, it seemed like Yamato didn't even know that Kaido wanted them to be Shogun
The fact that Kaido decided to kill Orochi to try and force the position on Yamato makes me think there must be some specific reason why Kaido wants this. It could be as simple as Kaido wanting his genetic heir to be in control when he dies... but if Kaido isn't around, there'd be no reason for Yamato to go along with Kaido's plans anyway. This could mean that Yamato's mother could have something special about her that we'll learn about in a flashback.

If Sukiyaki had another daughter that we never saw, and she were Yamato's mom, that would make Yamato a Kozuki... but that'd be quite the stretch.

[rigid shoal]

interesting, but def a stretch

[fathom matrix]

I think the idea was, mothers hold you back or keep you safe. They're suppose to be seen as these protective guardians, but when they're gone you have to venture out for yourself, but BM is a monstrous and toxic example, of never being able to escape that hold.

[rigid shoal]

still a cool thought lol, my mind is never that creative haha, my theories or ideas are a;ways bland xD

[sand sail]

Yeah, he'd rather have a warrior boss lady, not a "mother"

[fathom matrix]

I think Oda said it as "Mothers are an adventure" but did elaborate on it once?

[rigid shoal]

I honestly think Luffy's mom was killed by a celestial and that was Dragons main motivation to fight them. The most popular theory. In this aspect that mother figure isnt important to Luffy but Dragon instead

[storm junco]

i remember seeing this pretty cool theory that yamatos mom is gloriosa the old lady from amazon lily but i dont really remember the supporting stuff

[fathom matrix]

Wouldn't have been shocked if Luffy's mom was a CD slave, got rescued, had a kid with Dragon, but maybe due to the poor health conditions over there, maybe cause a disease, and years of torture, died after she had Luffy, or maybe like a week or couple of days.

BUT Yet again

Oda did say Luffy's mom wasn't a beautiful innocent woman, more like a tied up haired, strict woman

So maybe she could have been aspirational person who wanted to change the world, but her and Dragon were more like collegues at first, but when she died on the front lines or finding out something she shouldn't have found out, yeah, maybe a CD or their guards killed her.

[amber oar]

I think she's alive. I'm still thinking hard about this. [Laughs] But if she does appear in the story, then she'll be a very tough-looking woman. And strict. There's no way that she's a beautiful mother. She's got this typical middle-aged woman's permed hair.

Worth noting, Oda gave that description a couple of weeks before revealing Dadan. Given other comments Oda has made, that's very likely the only maternal figure we'll ever see for Luffy

[fathom matrix]

We all know Dadan is basically Luffy's Mom. Not biological, but is his mom

well, of course it's never said, but ya get what I mean

[amber oar]

Oda also told Mayumi Tanaka he's not interested in exploring Luffy's biological mother

[fathom matrix]

Fair, but I think it's like one of those situations where if a character has no parents, you're not that distracted or curious as to who they are, but if there is a dad or a mom, you wonder "who's the other?"

[amber oar]

That's because Dragon has another role in the story. He's not just "Luffy's dad"

[fathom matrix]

Of course, he's the head of the revolutionary army and that's an important role, not denying that. I just mean if there's 1 parent being talked about, you always wonder who that character's other is and what happened to them.

But it is kinda a shame Oda isn't probably gonna utilise Luffy's mom in the story or seems like he really doesn't want to.

[amber oar]

I... don't really wonder. Because I already know how Oda moves

were another series I'd wonder probably, but I know Oda doesn't develop if there's nothing interesting to explore

And he has gone out the way to explore random stuff like Drake's roots, Zoro's connections to Wano/Kuina's bloodline, Bepo's brother, etc
Oda is always keen to bring hints, and ultimately if he doesn't find space to develop he'll put it on the SBS. But he has emphatized so many times Luffy's mom is not relevant, I don't really expect or wonder anything

In regards to hints my first thought was that Yamato's mom was Maria, because it makes sense look wise. However that train stopped when Maria was revealed to be just one year older than Yamato

[tired osprey]

he also did the opposite once

regarding luffys mom

[amber oar]

wdym the opposite

[tired osprey]

It would also be interesting if I focus on Revolutionary Army, mainly Dragon. Why do they intend to make a revolution? With what belief? How did they meet? The story about Luffy's birth would be interesting. Many of those stories would be serious.
All of the stories about their lives lead to Luffy!! OK!! I'll draw Luffy!!
showing interest in luffys birth, and he cant really have a birth without a mom unless she just gets silhouetted lmao

[amber oar]

probably we'll see as much of Luffy's mom as we saw of Ace's mom. If any

Also Oda doesn't know yet if he'll be able to add all of that in the manga. He just says "it would be interesting"

[tired osprey]

suppose that would make sense

and have her act as some kind of motivator dragons actions if it gets brought up

i do think she will get addressed once tho, its too big to not mention dragons past and include luffys mom and birth in there

[wanton slate]

I've more or less convinced myself that Oda doesn't care about Luffy's mom and that we'll never see her

[cerulean coyote]

Dragon and Garp past...

[modest skiff]

This is why I don't buy the idea that One Piece goes away forever in 5 years. So much opportunity will remain. Could do movies or single volume releases or something.

[weary cliff]

Has Oda said he would drop the world altogether? I know he's not interested in a sequel

[modest skiff]

I dunno I just know some people contextualize what the One Piece universe can reasonably be within a 5 year window. I believe we can go beyond 5 year expectations.

[sturdy hawk]

He wants to write some novels after, like Toriyama did

[ember trench]

As long as it’s not some trite nonsense like Dragon becoming a Revolutionary because his wife was killed

[amber oar]

5 years at the current pace means around 180-190 chapters. Plenty of space to put side stories

Wano has grown long because it's very important to the whole thing and there's little to omit, plus the sheer amount of side allies and side villains. all the way from Reverse Mountain to the end of Skypiea took about 200 chapters

In regards to the revos, I'm inclined to think they were inspired by the Ohara event. There's not a lot of weight on that speculation, but there's a reason why they were looking for Robin for a long time

I recall a long ass theory that connected Ohara and the revos, I didn't fully buy it (mainly because it suggested everyone was alive, Saul, Olvia, the scholars, etc, and I don't believe that the slightest) but there were some points to rescue from it

Ah, it's pinned

[cursive nebula]

novels about one piece or other things?

[pure raven]

GUYS

new theory and it’s amazing

[cursive nebula]

a lot of people named mohamed

I had like 5 mohameds in math class once

[amber oar]

perhaps both

I recall Oda wanted to make a mecha manga, but that was years ago, he may have changed his mind

[cursive nebula]

lol, that'd be funny

[amber oar]

I mean probably he's channeling that wish through Franky/General Franky and other cyborgs

[pure raven]

Oh yah alot we duplicate hehe 😉 ( actually it’s the most common name in the world )

Anyway, the theory is Blackbeard is like rocks D xebec and many rumors say bb knew about xebec and that xebec is the pervious user of the yami yami no mi fruit and actually bb was looking for that fruit besides bb has a ship named xebec saber so i think their is something related with bb and xebec

[supple magnet]

I agree Bb and xebec have to have some sort of connection

[pure raven]

Ya besides bb looks like he had this plan since joining wb pirates so it’s shady asf we need to know more

[supple magnet]

BB and rocks both shady af fr 💀

[pure raven]

Ya true

[junior cape]

I want to know why the calm belts exist

Like, there's no logical way for them to exist, so I want to know WHY they exist.

[modest skiff]

I think there is a desire to separate the seas so they aren’t United

[junior cape]

yes but I want canon reason

[modest skiff]

yeah well it doesn't exist yet lol

[sand sail]

We have a canon reason, the Calm Belt is just a place where weather is cancelled out

That's all

It, in an of itself, presents no real dangers or hindrance to the world

[olive quail]

The calm belt is based on a real phenomenon where the area of the earth's equator is very calm with little to no wind due to wind patterns outside that area and the heat of the earth's equatorial region. IRL this was an actual issue for sailing since ships often were stuck there with no winds to push them. As far as in story reason it's just a strange aspect of the world's weather, like different seasonal islands and reverse mountain.

[nimble hinge]

In actual ship terms, it was called being becalmed. Could last for weeks, leaving crews to starve to their deaths, or go mad from drinking salt water

[minor juniper]

I just had this small idea. What If Chopper having a small bounty is a good thing and justified after all? Chopper is a doctor, so he has done more good deeds than Zoro who cut people or Usopp who is a sniper, and his career will not be tainted for the fact he is a pirate.

[prime hatch]

Inb4 the red line blows up and the seas go mental

[minor juniper]

Yes, there is a line in the equator where water poured in a hole don't spin in any direction

[prime hatch]

would be cool if we actually saw the OP world's Bounty Hunters actively target bounties, Chopper would be the worst hunt for a bounty hunter, Make almost no $, and he would be insanley hard to subdue.

[minor juniper]

Sadly we only meet Johnny and Yosaku

[cedar sinew]

well it's a good thing technically but not justified because it's like that due to pure gag

[warped coral]

any theories on gear 5?

[obtuse gazelle]

There’s no gear 5

[last void]

Red Hawk on steroids

[azure mirage]

I agree

[warped coral]

I mean like which body anatomy will be boosted

[last void]

Idl.Maybe Heating up his entire body so that it's on Fire\

[warped coral]

Lol I'm trying to look at it from body anatomy like the first 4 gears all boost a body part/system

[last void]

I don't see anyother body boost

[cedar sinew]

full coc coating is my best guess

[modest skiff]

Well Luffy's power seems to, at a fundamental level, allow him to change the tension or elasticity of his body. Gear 4 seems to essentially be him making his body into an incredibly tense but still very elastic material. He essentially becomes elastic metal. It is hard to imagine where it goes beyond that other than just more of that. I almost think gear 5 will just be a completely nuts version of gear 3

I could see gear 5 being like...a gatling attack of gear 5 is a island buster

[warped coral]

You mean like he'll literally catch fire and that's gear 5?

[last void]

Yeah Like Vulcanising his Entire Body

Basically Red Hawk,but his entire body catches Fire

[oak mural]

that would be too good ,ace in luffy i would love it

[last void]

lol same

[modest skiff]

i just want giant luffy again

[warped coral]

It may look cool and the symbolism of Ace is dope but with CoC coating and advanced CoA what does the fire do to augment damage? Just trying to expand on it

[cedar sinew]

fire will do absolutely nothing

fire from red hawk already doesn't do much. It's the actual punch that gets most of the damage done

[last void]

Maybe he Incorporates the Fire with CoC?

I know it sounds stupid,but still tho lol

[warped coral]

Will the fire be on a Logia DF level simply because he vulcanizes his rubber body?

So many questions

[last void]

Ok instead of Fire

He can use more Electricity

[warped coral]

Yeah makes sense it's more like the friction of the punch is setting his fist on fire

[last void]

Like ya know,Static Electricity

[cedar sinew]

yeah

[warped coral]

That would be actually dope

[cedar sinew]

anything elemental add on won't make a difference

they're just flashy stuff.

[warped coral]

like make use of rubber's property

[red obsidian]

I think there’s going to be a gear 5 cAuse during the raid Boss Hyogoro said Luffy aura or something reminded him of the monkey king. I think gear 5 will be his final gear and is going to probably Monkey King. After this tje only power up he can get will probably be awakening. If gear 5 doesn’t happen in Wano then I honestly think he might awaken his devil fruit or something

[tardy dune]

I think if he gets gear 5 it won't be here. My guess is for Luffy to regain his strength, then quickly rush at Kaido with his CoC coating actually ready to be used

[grizzled fog]

Don’t think a G5 will ever be necessary, luffy is so crazy strong even in base now G4 probably puts him close or on par with the most powerful people in the world, the problem is maintaining it for extended periods of time

A new G4 form is fine though

[tardy dune]

Maybe Tankman but without being as full l m a o

[warped coral]

I would love a monkey king gear 5 too, what a tribute it would be to dragonball! But I still think monkey king as another form of gear 4 would be more appropriate as I cannot see how a monkey king gear 5 would be like an entire level above the other forms.

[red obsidian]

Well I think it would incorporate an offensive form of conquerors

[tardy dune]

That could just be a general improvement to all of gear 4

[errant nova]

I’m thinking he’s able to shape his conquerors haki like a blade and a gum gum whip bouta decapitate Kaido

[tardy dune]

While it'd be neat, I don't think Luffy would kill. He has the typical shonen "Nobody Will Die By My Hand" thing so far iirc

[warped coral]

Ok wait, let's be clear: The gear system should boost luffy in and of itself without involving CoC. Any synergy between them should be coincidental.

[grizzled fog]

He doesn’t really

[errant nova]

Fair but I also think Kaido will be the first villain to die

[grizzled fog]

Luffy isnt against killing like that. He doesn’t end up killing his enemies usually, but he doesn’t go out of his way to avoid it

[errant nova]

Explicitly at least. Super foreshadowed, he’s looking for death.

[grizzled fog]

He’s not that morally righteous

[errant nova]

Also he recognizes that in war, people die. Via his thoughts w/ croc and vivi in alabasta

[red obsidian]

This is never stated plus, gear 4 uses haki heavily so I see no reason why gear 5 wouldn’t use advanced conquerors

Thing is Luffy has never explicitly stated he doesn’t kill. I truly think Oda will find a way to make Luffy beat Kaido and for Kaido to die

I don’t want to be that guy but.....my boy black boy could come through and kill a weakened Kaido idk(maybe it’s a reach)

[warped coral]

fair enough

[grizzled fog]

…..black boy? What?

[tardy dune]

I think they're talking abt blackbeard

[red obsidian]

Lmao black beard my bad

[queen wind]

What's he doing in wano

[warped coral]

Well Luffy is brazilian...

[tardy dune]

I don't think Blackbeard's heading to wano

[red obsidian]

Me too. I’m just reaching

[red obsidian]

He isn’t. That’s just his hypothetical nationality if those existed

[tardy dune]

My guess is we won't have Luffy meet the Beard until at least after Elbaf

[warped coral]

It's his ethnicity bruh

[red obsidian]

I genuinely think BB will kill a straw hat

[tardy dune]

or maybe on elbaf

Which strawhat would die?

[red obsidian]

And I think I want it to be my Ussopp 😭

Especially if its on elbaf because of how Ussopp respects giants and their bravery

[tardy dune]

If it's after Elbaf, I think Usopp's goal could've been finished. He wanted to be a great warrior like the giants since he learned of Elbaf on little garden

[red obsidian]

Brazilians literally don’t exist in the world of one piece. So.....no lol

[tardy dune]

Luffy's brazillian if he's real

[grizzled fog]

It’s his ethnicity IF luffy existed in real life

[red obsidian]

Dying for his friends like let’s say protecting Nami would be a great warrior thing. He’s the only straw hat that I think dying in battle would still fulfill their dream

[red obsidian]

Exactly. “If he’s real”

[tardy dune]

Fair enough. I don't think BB would kill a straw hat with no fruit though, so maybe we'll get to see him get fucked up after he gets a df? My reasoning being that Beard wants to grow stronger, and ripping apart Usopp won't help that much with him atm

[red obsidian]

Everybody else can’t die till their dreams are fulfilled but great warriors die in battle. Him protecting someone would hit even harder. I just hope he’d have punched deadbeat Yassopp by then

[warped coral]

lol there's a reason Oda gave them a ethnic background.

[tardy dune]

Oda gave them potential ethnicities if they were on earth. One piece is on a different world

[red obsidian]

Blackbeard fights dirty, he’s ridiculously strong but I feel like luffy using advanced conquerors and ryou against him would frustrate him and so the only upper hand he’d be able to think of would be hurting Luffy psychologically

[red obsidian]

Thank you!

[warped coral]

So it's still a possibility he's a mixed raced Brazilian?

[tardy dune]

If he was on earth.

[red obsidian]

It really isn’t. That’s just his real world ethnicity. No place like brazil exists in the one piece world

[warped coral]

It's all a template, are you telling me there are no parallels from One piece world and the real world?

[tardy dune]

There are parallels, but there is no Brazil in one piece.

[pastel summit]

there are, doesn't mean Goa Kingdom represents Brazil lmao

[warped coral]

The concept of a Brazilian still means something right?

[grizzled fog]

No?

[pastel summit]

Not in One Piece, no.

[tardy dune]

Not in One Piece

[grizzled fog]

It’s as meaningless as oda saying zoro would be a police officer in irl

[warped coral]

Lol like If I say a Japanese you immediately can picture a japanese looking guy etc

[tardy dune]

Yes

[pastel summit]

it means something in real life, because there is a place called Brazil. There is no place called Brazil in One Piece.

[tardy dune]

But, in One Piece, there isn't a "Japan" or "Japanese" ethnicity

[warped coral]

I ain't even saying there's a brazil in one piece what y'all on

[pastel summit]

Luffy isn't real bro. He only exists in One Piece. He's not Brazilian.

[tardy dune]

Then Luffy can't be brazillian in one piece, it was an ethnicity Oda gave for if the straw hats were irl people

[warped coral]

Zero had a typo making me assume he's calling luffy his "black boy" and I made a joke saying luffy's brazilian according to Oda so there's a possible basis. That's all

Lol at BrAzIL IsN'T In OnE PIeCe

[last void]

No.It represents France apparently

[errant nova]

Yo don’t put that in the live action thread they’ll hang you

[red obsidian]

Genuinely don’t know why you’re still arguing its just a what if scenario. If op existed in the real world he’d be Brazilian but he isn’t that’s it. It’s not that hard

[warped coral]

It isn't hard at all if you understood my joke lol

[red obsidian]

Ok man

[tardy dune]

Then why keep arguing the point that Luffy's brazillian afterwards?

[red obsidian]

What on earth are they talking about on the voice chat

[red obsidian]

😂😂😂exactly, if it was a joke why did he press on?

Why does life suck this bad for me?

[warped coral]

I'm puzzled as to why y'all so insistent on separating all semblance of real world concept from the one piece world when Oda has to reference real world concepts in creating his characters in the first place.

[warped coral]

well too bad if you can't understand a simple joke lol

[red obsidian]

I’m sorry you can’t tell good ones

[warped coral]

lol you must be fun at parties

[tardy dune]

Ya'll stop

[red obsidian]

Lmaooo u too!

random people grinding to music

You: Did you know Luffy is Brazilian?

[grizzled fog]

Chill yall geez

[red obsidian]

I’m just horsing around

[warped coral]

lol bruh, you had a typo I found funny and I made a joke based on that. Wasn't as baseless as you try to paint it to be.

What a fun channel y'all 😉

[red obsidian]

The problem wasn’t the joke. The problem was u insisting that he was Brazilian when he isn’t. It’s just a hypothetical

[last void]

Btw I never expected Nami to be Swedish and Robin to be Russian

[red obsidian]

Anyways I apologize

I need friends. I want to talk to people more

[warped coral]

Don't be lame, the problem for me was y'all being insistent on Luffy being free of all associations with the term "Brazilian" even though it was Oda himself who mentioned it.

[red obsidian]

I mean I think they kind of fit personality wise but yeah. Where would doffy be from tho

[warped coral]

Even if not as a country, Luffy's character was based on Oda's concept of a Brazilian

[red obsidian]

We never said he was free from all association but okay man 👍

[warped coral]

Dude you really bad at arguing

peace out

[red obsidian]

Says the guy who’s been arguing poorly for nearly an hour. Oh wow you’re leaving now lol, great argue master lmao

[last void]

He's Spanish Apparently

[red obsidian]

Anyways, guys, I promise I’m super nice. I know saying you’re nice isn’t exactly a good sign of actually being nice but I’m not horrible, I want to make friends

[warped coral]

I'm sure making friends is easy, but staying friends.. well...

[red obsidian]

Oh yeah makes sense his surname is Spanish. and the name is based on a real life person

[red obsidian]

Let’s try? I’m Barney and I’m Nigerian

[warped coral]

Nah let's keep the acquaintanceship on here bruh

[red obsidian]

Ok dude

[queen wind]

#manga-theories just turned into #petty-arguments

[red obsidian]

Nahhhhh. Let’s stay on course lol

Okay so what do u think will happen to big mom post Wano ?

[queen wind]

hmm, im not sure

because big mom's crew is still around right? they could find a way to come to wano

[pure raven]

She won’t live till then

Ussop is gonna 1 tap kaido, chopper is gonna one tap big mom, easy win for straw hats

[red obsidian]

Well yeah they could. I’m just curious cause Luffy said he’d come back to WCI and katakuri took his word for it. But again I don’t see her usefulness leaving Wano. I also genuinely think Katakuri and Brûlée aren’t the only ones who want her gone. I mean, perspire o has been shown frustrated by her on many occasions

What if she’s about to die, calls them for help but they neglect her

[terse plover]

She has to, no? Elbaf is really related to her

[last void]

Either she dies with Kaido,or she along with her crew crawl back to Totto Land

[red obsidian]

Plus she killed Moscatto and I’m pretty sure a lot of his siblings loved him

[red obsidian]

Idk I don’t think she’s related to elbaf, she just went there that’s all. Idk I don’t even want her in Elbaf ngl, I have a love hate relationship with big mom

[pure raven]

chapter dropping soon?

[terse plover]

Yeah I dont really love her that much either, I wouldn't care if she died before then. But I have a feeling she might play a role in it or be a segway into that arc because of her dream to have a complete family with all races. Also we might get to find out if this is true when we see King's race. If he race is completely extinct, except for him, then her dream cannot be a reality. Meaning we probably won't see her post-Wano. Just my assumption though. Have no idea where Oda is taking it tbh.

[red obsidian]

Facts facts. Idk I really want to see Kaido flashback and how he recruits king and queen (hopefully we’re shown)

I remember thinking kAtakuri was Kaido son lmaooo

[terse plover]

Yeah same, I believed it for a short while, but then Wano began and it just didn't seem right. Then Yamato introduced obv.

[scarlet cedar]

😠

@torpid marlin i was parodying people that said that araki forgot things

[torpid marlin]

Why are you responding to me here tho... I do not chat in this channel

[scarlet cedar]

spoilers channel was closed and it cut my message before send it

[teal nymph]

kaido and crew keep saying momo is dead is he really though or kaido just assumes as he fell off like luffy ?

[keen portal]

The latter

Shinobu and momo did fall off. That itself is true.
But kaido and Bao Huang don't exactly know that shinobu can glide back onto land, or that momo's dragon df can help them keep afloat.

[gloomy rivet]

Yamato might not join the crew, but she definitely gonna join the fleet as the captain of the beast pirates i.e. if kaido is defeated.

[pseudo citrus]

or just hang out on the boat, like law, pedro, and carrot have

they've been around for 100s of chapters without being crewmates

[gloomy rivet]

for the story to progress there must be another crewmate

[gloomy rivet]

i might not be 100% sure abt this tho...

[toxic mural]

yes yes for the love of god #Yamato4Crew

[pure raven]

Blackbeard will be the strongest Yonkou after Wano arc.

[toxic mural]

Shanks?

[pure raven]

No

[toxic mural]

what makes you think of that?

When Kaido thought of the greatest pirates, shanks was among them while BB wasn't

[pure raven]

Blackbeard unlike Shanks will take the oppurtunity of Kaido's defeat and expand his territory.

[toxic mural]

and that doesn't make him the strongest

[pure raven]

Expanding his territory in grandline will make him dangerous for Navy.

[toxic mural]

You mean the new world, also this really has nothing to do with the strongest

[pure raven]

Yes

[toxic mural]

BB already claimed all of whitebeard territories and still not the strongest, while WB was the strongest

[pure raven]

Oda said Shanks will make a move against BB in 2022. what you think will happen?

[toxic mural]

when you talk about the strongest, you need to explain which term

[toxic mural]

well he only said shanks may make a move, but we the "fans" think it must be related to BB

[pure raven]

Ok

[pure raven]

I mean he will have more resources and manpower

[toxic mural]

in term of solo power I believe Shanks is the strongest, and in term of the pirate crew, already been said that Shanks's the strongest

[cedar dust]

why do u believe shanks is stronger than mihawk?

[opal sparrow]

I think it’s big mom

Terms of solo power mainly because she’s the only yonko alive from Rogers era

[cedar dust]

they were once rivals, but mihawk decided to stop fighting shanks once he lost his arm. i have manga panels too. imo shanks is weakest yonkou

[toxic mural]

at this moment I believe he is, because Shanks got stronger while mihawk just was wandering around, and since Shanks lost his arm they didn't duel at all, yet Shanks after that by 6 years became Yonko and obviously clashed with other Yonkos

[toxic mural]

You need to recheck your resources, because in the vivre card Shanks is the only one who was announced that he has all of the Haki types to the max level

[cedar dust]

oh i did not know that, thanks for the info. but is shanks not a swordsman? and my resources is the manga

[opal sparrow]

Where did you find this out?

[toxic mural]

I guess he is, vivre card is information about the characters that usually Oda didn't have time to put into the manga

[frosty nimbus]

Source: Trust me bro

[pure raven]

Do you think Luffy is gonna meet Shanks again?@toxic mural

[toxic mural]

https://thelibraryofohara.com/

[opal sparrow]

I always thought shanks was a yonko not cuz of mainly cuz of his ability but also his crew. They’re like the straw hats on crack in terms of strength

[cedar dust]

i do recall oda also stated in some sbs or vivre card (don't @ me cus i dont have a source lmao) that mihawk is the strongest swordsman and there isn't a random swordsman out there that he doesn't know about

[frosty nimbus]

and where does it say that Shanks has haki to the max

[pure raven]

They are the best Yonkou crew

[cedar dust]

and that he was once rivals with shanks, therefore why would he just stop

[opal sparrow]

Big mom IMO is the strongest outta of the yonko in terms of power her DF is broken af. She was also a yonko during Rogers era.

[toxic mural]

well that was one of Arthur's video so it was one of the SBS but he is also the only one confirmed about having all the types of Haki

[cedar dust]

where does it say "max level", no hate just wondering if u left it out of pic

[opal sparrow]

Doesn’t say max level also big mom and kaido can all use it

[cedar dust]

i think the reason oda gave us that info is because he hasn't shown any feats from shanks and knows he aint doing it any time soon lmaoo

[opal sparrow]

Shanks is 3rd strongest yonko but has strongest crew members.

[cedar dust]

i do recall sengoku said he has the most balanced crew as well

[pure raven]

Yes

[opal sparrow]

His crew members is the strongest outta of the yonkos.
Big mom and kaido are the strongest in terms of strength alone
BB will rise above all of them

[cedar dust]

agreed

[pure raven]

I think BB will kill Shanks soon.

[opal sparrow]

Bb kills shanks before luffy mets him 💀

[cedar dust]

i think he'll kill shanks or dragon

[pure raven]

Luffy doesn't cares about Dragon

[opal sparrow]

No right after luffy meets shanks . BB will kill him. That would be insane

[cedar dust]

frfr

[toxic mural]

it's gotta be in one of these stupid long SBS

[opal sparrow]

I have a theory for ussop guys listen to this. Nami got an upgrade I’m happy af but we have elbaf arc which have been talked about since alabasta . I think ussop will get a upgrade dat arc and it will be his weapon or kabuto eating a devil fruit with him being able to use observation at will.

[cedar dust]

ohhhhh thats good

[opal sparrow]

Him also *

[cedar dust]

tbh i forgot inanimate objects can consume df's, thatd be perfect for usopp

[opal sparrow]

Exactly bro last time we saw something like dat was water 7. It’d be so crazy. Hoping he gets his weapon to change form like baby 5

[cedar dust]

but also doesn't only dr. vegapunk know how to do that? like making the objects eat them

[opal sparrow]

Really? I totally forgot about dat

[cyan berry]

nah it was just discovered by Vegapunk

other people can do it if they know the technique

[opal sparrow]

This is why one oiece can’t end in 5 years there’s just too much story left to be told

[cedar dust]

ohh okay

[supple magnet]

I think usopp should just advance his haki instead of change his weapon. Also only vegapunk can make them from what we know

[cyan berry]

I highly doubt Baroque Works goons were able to meet with Vegapunk

[opal sparrow]

What arc do you think is after wano

[supple magnet]

True forgot about that dog gun thing

[supple magnet]

Elbaph or a small arc about the rest of the world

[opal sparrow]

It’s elbaf

[cedar dust]

yeah elbaf or information based arc about post-reverie

[marsh warren]

God I can't wait for the info dump about the world at the end of Wano

[supple magnet]

Hopefully we see what the hell happened at the Reverie and what’s going on with Blackbeard and shanks and the warlords

[opal sparrow]

Yea it’s gonna be nuts

[marsh warren]

It's going to be completely crazy

[opal sparrow]

Blackbeard when to attack the navy ship that has the revolutionary captains and sabo in it

[supple magnet]

The post arc info dumps have always been my favorite part of one piece

[opal sparrow]

He wants their devil fruit

[supple magnet]

I personally think he went to alabasta to get pluton

[opal sparrow]

He needs someone that can read the text no?

[marsh warren]

Not to mention reactions from the marines that Luffy defeated Kaido

[supple magnet]

Not particularly sense the Pluton has been revealed to be in alabasta already and is just hidden

[marsh warren]

Onigashima has been so wild and yet the Post-Wano will be crazy

[supple magnet]

And the bounty reveals will be hype

[opal sparrow]

Luffy kidd law zoro will all be over a billion

Basically the straw hats will all be over 150 million and chopper will be 200 😭💀😭😭

[supple magnet]

Choppers bounty bout to double no cap

If you look at percents chopper has the most bounty growth throughout the series he almost always goes up by 50%

[opal sparrow]

Yamato gonna have a bounty of 600 million +

[supple magnet]

I can see it

[opal sparrow]

Sanji will probably be over a billion if he beats queen

But zoro law kid is no doubt over a billion

[cedar dust]

for sure

[supple magnet]

What do you think mihawks new bounty is?

[cedar dust]

5 bil

[supple magnet]

My guess is 2-3 billion

[opal sparrow]

Highest warlord bounty for sure being the strongest swordsman. 2-3 billion

[marsh warren]

Sounds about right

[cedar dust]

actually yeah, he's not much of a threat

[supple magnet]

Too much for someone without a crew imo

[marsh warren]

I think Hancock will have a very high bounty too above 1 billion

[cedar dust]

yeah i had to rethink that lmao

[supple magnet]

Lol

[cedar dust]

in terms of strength i believe he should be up there with yonkou

[opal sparrow]

I’d say lower than any yonko and luffy past wano

[supple magnet]

Probably. Buggy has some devils luck so he might get like 700 Million

[opal sparrow]

Like 2.1 billion

[supple magnet]

Mihawk = Yonko but let’s not argue

[cedar dust]

les go

[opal sparrow]

Strongest swordsman 🤷🏾‍♂️ can’t argue

[supple magnet]

Buggy > yonko honestly

He’s the most slept on warlord rn

[cedar dust]

frfr

[opal sparrow]

Easily. Luck is a huge factor in one piece. Buggy has better luck than luffy

[supple magnet]

Buggy low key the luckiest character

[marsh warren]

I do wonder what Buggy will do

[worldly anvil]

Become PK

[opal sparrow]

His crewmates will beat the navy and his bounty will skyrocket

[supple magnet]

Do you guys think the yonko system will go away after wano or will the vacant spots just be filled by new people?

[supple magnet]

Lol and everyone will think he’s a god

[marsh warren]

It might go away

[cedar dust]

i dont think they sent an admiral after him and his crew mates are actually pretty strong, so i think he'll get out safe and increase his bounty

[marsh warren]

Back in Roger's days he was simply called a 'Great Pirate'

[opal sparrow]

Then again I can see kizaru will chasing after buggy and some random fuckery will happen like what happen to shiki fighting roger leading buggy to damage the navy and running away

[supple magnet]

lol what if kizaru was sent to fight buggy

[opal sparrow]

At the same time bro