manga-theories

[digital horizon]

lol why is manga theories in slowmo this chat is never active enough to be in slowmo

[weak arrow]

To perpetuate long responses and less shit posting.

[digital horizon]

ah ok that's fair

[pure raven]

I don’t feel like Momo will join the crew he would probably become the New Shogun of Wano

[digital horizon]

I been calling momo joining the crew since dressrosa, but once I saw this, I put all my money into momoforstrawhatcoin

[pure raven]

I feel like if Momo becomes Shogun he will make Wano a free country with no borders

[digital horizon]

and before nayone says this was just a kind of jokey throw away scene it's something that's stuck in momo's head at critcial moments such as when he asked luffy to help him formally

[weak arrow]

I’d say the biggest argument for momo joining is that sukiyaki is seemingly alive and that Hiyori would be able to take his place as Shogun, at least temporarily. And Hiyori would be able to learn the Kozuki teachings just to ensure it’s not lost.

[pure raven]

I disagree

Take Otama; The girl has suffered and waited enough

[modest skiff]

Oden prepared himself to one day be Shogun by going on an adventure with powerful pirates. Momo knows he isn't strong and he think he straight up intends to fix it. It would be awesome if he joined the Strawhats and really did shape up

[digital horizon]

I'd say Hiyori being alive alone is enough, I'm not on board the sukiyaki is alive train I think it's too much of a reach

[frosty zinc]

Ya know they were kinda hinting that momonosuke traveled 20 years in the future because he said he met too d Roger but it was hard for him to remember ussop called him out for lying because Roger died over 20 year ago at the time but he was not lying

[digital horizon]

I also feel Denjiro having gained so much power in wano could pick up as well as one of the first retainers of Oden and run Wano until Momo becomes a man out at sea

[weak arrow]

Both played with kokeshi dolls. Someone’s gotta evacuate the capitol. And same voice actor. Also ensures the kozuki technique is not lost.

But yeah, momo has an argument to join. And maybe Yamato’s role on the crew is momo’s bodyguard

[digital horizon]

Well now that momo and shinobu (and even luffy) are all on or approaching the mainland hitetsu may not need to be the one ot evacuate anymore. I also think the VA thing is a big ol stretch. strongest argument for them is the kokeshi thing and even there I'd have to ask why would he like pretend to be someone else and dead even during the period Oden tried to fight back against Kaido. seems like there's too many holes that would need to be filled to make that work

[modest skiff]

I know you're joking but I like this lol

[pure raven]

I hope when Momo takes Luffy to the sky to fight Kaido again; we learn that Momo is invulnerable to Kaido's flame and can actually absorb it

[modest skiff]

Momo being godzilla would be pog

[frosty zinc]

Yes there is a fair chance momo joins but if yamato joins then I do not think he will he his bodyguard because oda does not seem like he wants to make any straw hat members seem useless ever since ussop made nami a weather baton if momonosuke has a bodyguard on shop that would imply he will always be useless

[pure raven]

What if Momo is next kaido?

[pure raven]

Oda made momo a pink dragon for a reason

[weak arrow]

Not sure why VA is a stretch. It’s pretty damning evidence. The only person that should do the evacuation is a kozuki. Hiyori is on onigashima. Momo will highly likely return to onigashima. Hitetsu/sukiyaki has to do it.

[weak arrow]

I mean he’d basically just be another buggy

[modest skiff]

what reason

[weak arrow]

Don’t know why momo could absorb the fire when Kaido himself got hurt by his own boro breath either

[grizzled fog]

Hitetsu/Sukiyaki is definitely a super solid theory at this point tbh

[modest skiff]

I think Momo admires his dad enough to want to be just as strong

[pure raven]

Why where all the strong Devil fruit users in Wano have something’s involved with scales. Like dinosaurs, Dragons and a hydra

might be a theme

[rain rivet]

that could be true

[digital horizon]

VA is a stretch cause ina series like one piece with so many characters there's lots of overlap even among the more distinct voices diff characters have the same voice actor. We will see how the rest of them move in the ocming chapters (hopefully we get to see a resolution to these things before slip into the Kaido Yamato flashback)

[modest skiff]

wait what theory, they're the same person?

[grizzled fog]

Yes

[digital horizon]

Momo may not absorb fire persay but it would be cool if the dragon form offers him some extra durability.

[tired osprey]

AMEN BROTHER

[modest skiff]

did someone already write something i can read that you could link to?

[grizzled fog]

Check pins

[digital horizon]

it's pinned

[pure raven]

If I had to take a guess, theme. Oda is a master of theme and Eastern dragons are known for wisdom and are benevolent creatures which after Kaido's reign, they desperately need.

Thematically Momo would have to help take down Kaido since he was the man who led to Oden's death as well as needing to take over Wano. Luffy said it himself; Momo needs to stand on his legs as a man and state clearly what he wants.

Momo shouldn't just be a damsel in distress looking to be saved but should have an active role in the saving of his country

[weak arrow]

It’s not that common. Certainly not within the same arc. The best example is I think franky and mr 2? There are plenty of Japanese voice actors where no redo is necessary. Then we have hitetsu not even being shown in the flashback too as evidence.

[pure raven]

Legit if Roger can have kid buggy and shanks, they can take kid Otama

[weak arrow]

Literally just a theme. See how all warlords were after animals

[pure raven]

if the Tengu says no, take her anyway because they're pirates

[frosty zinc]

I think momo will become I strong swordsman but I think kaido will not die

[pure raven]

They were also designed after apparently a really only JP game

[pure raven]

I doubt he'll die as well but that's mainly cause Oda's planning a large af war and you need all your biggest players there

[frosty zinc]

Wdym

[weak arrow]

Also otama literally states during the raid: “I want to see wano flourish” idk how y’all ain’t given up

[tired osprey]

romancing saga 2, available iin the west now too

[tired osprey]

you think sanji doesnt want baratie to flourish?

[weak arrow]

Buggy is not a strong character and was on Roger’s crew.

[pure raven]

She also stated she wanted to go with Ace on his adventure
She's been waiting 2+ years, let her go on the adventure. An ability to befriend all wild animals may actually be incredibly useful

[frosty zinc]

Sorry for pingijg you for no reason it was an accident

[weak arrow]

His whole entire life isn’t about the baratie living in a run down restraursnt that can’t survive because of constant pirate attacks

[weak arrow]

Except Luffy can already do that

[sand sail]

Baratie is flourishing

[pure raven]

Booooo

[sand sail]

It's a franchise now

[pure raven]

Take the kid, she wants to go on adventure

[weak arrow]

So did Pedro. He got left

[pure raven]

Roger knew he was gonna die; there wasn't much adventure left to go on

[tired osprey]

franky didnt want it, but oden tried to take him anyway

[frosty zinc]

Yes but as of now buggy is a little bit stronger than momonosuke as momonosuke almost never fights I say we or now because momonosuke has the potential to become a very very very strong character

[weak arrow]

I mean I was arguing that momo’s strength was not hindering him joining and using buggy as an example. Not an example that momo would remain weak forever

[digital horizon]

The only way I can get on board with the theory is if there's a strong and convincing answer as to why he would let orochi and the hag run amok with his appearance and his his sons appearance as well as hitetsu's history as descendant of kitetsu being a fabrication and that doesn't seem very likely

[modest skiff]

Yamato could also serve as Momo's trainer if they both joined

[digital horizon]

Zoro already helps Momo train Yamaot don't even use a sword

[modest skiff]

true

[weak arrow]

Probably imprisoned and tortured, and was able to escape

[modest skiff]

Alright I read that Sukiyaki theory. Looks good to me. That's also relieving because that's someone else who is totally familiar with all the secret stuff they pass down

[pure raven]

Truth be told; No

[digital horizon]

why would the kurozumi's imprison him if they were going to impersonate him. It'd be much smarter to kill him off

[pure raven]

I agree it's plausible but I really just don't want Momo on the ship any longer.

[weak arrow]

Because Orochi wanted revenge?

[pure raven]

Otama has an earnest factor to her. Momo a little perv with a nation to run

[modest skiff]

I think either Kaido or Orochi's family knew Kurozumi knew very secret info (such as how to read glyphs) so it would make sense to keep him around and torture him for info. From there, he just needs to escape

[digital horizon]

ngl it gernuinely amazes me people really hate momo for a gag lol. Y'all outing y'allselves as pervy old men who are jealous of the youth lol

[pure raven]

Yes,Buggy could be as strong as Shanks

[modest skiff]

the pervy stuff is annoying from everyone and i'm assuming they'd drop it a bit if momo joined lol

[pure raven]

I think it's more that a lot of the pervy old men tropes in anime have some form of redeeming traits. Sanji literally saves the day, Brook stepped up to BM. Momo's a kid who hasn't/won't be doing much

Kine'mon literally dies fighting Kaido 1v1 even though he knew he'd die

[digital horizon]

I coudl almost believe that...ALMOST butr even if I were to considerhe could hasve escaped why then would he still not reveal himself when momo and hiyori are both confirmed safe and the entire army is togethe rplanning the raid before. like for what reason would he still not reveal who he is then?

[modest skiff]

If I had a big red button that removed every pervy scene from all of one piece, I'd slam it in a heartbeat

[pure raven]

Sanji on thriller bark was a major smear against his character

[weak arrow]

Because he probably knew there was a traitor

[bold gull]

we never see orochi concerned of sukiyaki being alive but he has been terrorized about the scabbards return

[gilded willow]

what if momonosuke is joy boy?

[modest skiff]

Same reason Kin said he wouldn't reveal himself to his wife. Until the job is done, it is only a bad thing

[modest skiff]

Could be he faked his death as a part of an escape

[pure raven]

I hate that it is plausible because he has brought me no joy in his entire showing

[modest skiff]

"What if Joyboy is a giant?"
"What if Joyboy is 2 feet tall?"

[digital horizon]

both of those answer feel like reaches. He somehow figures there's a traitor yet makes no effort to sus em out and just doesn't sayu who e is to the people it'd matter tot he most. For kin it'd make sense cause as far as the world knew he was already dead. if he lost his life in raid at least Tsuru wouldn't have to mourn twice

[digital horizon]

I actually feel that, the thing is he's also a kid who's been through a lot of shit and the arc isn't over. His character arc is about becoming someone noble and worthy so him being a bit of a shit is fine as long as we eventually get that payoff which I think we will. But I can actually respect this view

[bold gull]

i guess momo should visit fishman island, fulfill his promise and bring it to the surface? would be cool for momo but I can't see it happening

[digital horizon]

I'd much prefer if Luffy wasn't joyboy so I'm here for it. Would also explain somethings like of ocurse the obvious stuff about Momo's ability and the journal saying he's the one who will bring the dawn but also something I hadn't thought about since Kaido knows abotu joyboy it could also explain why Kaido didn't directly off him in the original raid.

[pure raven]

I can get the idea of not wanting Luffy as Joyboy for the sake of wanting a character not tied to a prophecy and making a difference anyway but it's also very 👀

I'm actually quite intrigued about this prophecy cause it feels like a multiple party war

Cause the prophecy sure can talk about like Joy Boy and the void century

but how would it predict the revolutionaries and their war against the world government

Spoiler?

alongside Blackbeard's eventual rampage into the world

With probably Luffy's forces basically diving into this war as well. Oda's not gonna give the straw hats an armada and not use it

[sand sail]

The only prophecy in the story is Luffy destroying Fishman Island

The Joyboy stop isn't prophecy, it's guesswork

[pure raven]

Didn't Oden and Roger imply a prophecy in 20 years which is the present atm?

[sand sail]

No, they knew Poseidon would be born in 20 years, that's all

They put together the Joyboy connection and figured everything out either by or when they got to Laugh Tale

But none of that was prophecy, they had to piece it together

[bold gull]

well we didn't see any explicit prophecy but from oden flashback it looks like a lot variables needs to align for a certain reason in the near future and that roger knew it

[sand sail]

The literal only variable that comes to mind is Poseidon being born

That was like the central requirement for everything to pop off

Beyond that, it's just making sure someone is around to help Poseidon

[bold gull]

wano borders open feels like another variable

[sand sail]

That's why Roger created the great age of piracy

Wano being open is going to be what's needed to help, it's not part of their prediction

They knew Poseidon would be around in 20 years, so they knew Joyboy needed to be around too, and Wano had to be open for whatever they needed

[bold gull]

so both joyboy and poseidon appearing after exactly 20 years and collaborating for a purpose... sounds like a prophecy

[sand sail]

No, you're not understanding. Poseidon is showing up in 20 years, which means that's the only time Joyboy gets to show up and do anything at all. Poseidon creates the opportunity for Joyboy

[pastel karma]

moria is the one piece

[sand sail]

This also isn't a prophecy at all. It literally isn't, it's a plan lmao

The only thing prophetic was Roger finding out when Poseidon would show up, and that was just because Shyarly predicted it

[bold gull]

one piece of ... something...?!

[pastel karma]

moria is the answer to all ur questions

[bold gull]

lol i see ... thank you for the information

[sand sail]

@pastel karma This is a meme-free zone

Please stop doing that

[pastel karma]

im not memeing

[pure raven]

Does Zunisha fit in here somehow?

[pastel karma]

i geniounly believe thet

[sand sail]

@pastel karma No, really, stop.

[pastel karma]

bro who am i hurting with saying

[sand sail]

Maybe? We don't really know, Zunesha is more than likely directly connected

With the whole Kozuki connection and all, maybe Zunesha is the thing that Wano is supposed to supply to Joyboy?

[sand sail]

This is not the channel for it, and this is your last warning.

[pastel karma]

bro i have been doing this for like 4 days no one has cared at all

[modest skiff]

When you have large communities it is important to segregate conversations appropriately so it’s not just a big mess

[pastel karma]

but whatever i will stop i guess

[sand sail]

[modest skiff]

There are channels to be silly, just gotta use those channels instead of the serious ones

[pastel karma]

I know its funny to me to do it in the serious ones because people usually play along

[modest skiff]

I’ve seen tons of people warned for being silly so perhaps a mod just happened to not notice

[pastel karma]

am i allowed to do it in general

[sand sail]

I'd rather you didn't, but if you have to do it somewhere, you can do it in a more relaxed channel. It's not technically rule breaking, but it's an eyesore

This also isn't the channel to continue talking about it, we're getting off topic

[pastel karma]

i have done it in general tho with multiple mods there

[sand sail]

^ Read that message over again, and we can drop the subject here

[pastel karma]

okie

[vestal rampart]

YES I KNOW

[weary cliff]

Do worry, its not even plausible. Doesn't fit the Sea Kings' prophecy

[zinc iris]

isn't zunesha way older than that?

[sand sail]

Yeh, Zunesha was cast out 200 years before the Void Century comes about. But still, the Poneglyph/Kozuki connection means it'll probably be important

could even be that 800 years ago it was supposed to do something, but couldn't get around in time

[fathom matrix]

surprised they didn't ask Momo "Hey momo, ask Zunisha what happened during the void entury"

So the voices of all things. Do you think it's called conquerors, because people with that power, have only really shown it via combat, and they stood atop those weaker then them?

[pure raven]

no it's not CoC cause otherwise Rayleigh would have heard it as well

[fathom matrix]

ya mean during that scene at fishman island where they heard the sea kings?

[scarlet cedar]

Do you really dont know which baby it's talking oda in the last SBS?

it's obvious that he is talking about the egg

[fathom matrix]

true, we didn't see rayleigh hear them, but maybe he didn't have CoC during that time, but Luffy, Odin and Roger who are CoC could all hear them, so either Rayleigh didn't have CoC at that point, as Zoro only JUST awakened/showed it off recently, and isn't even aware of it himself.

But then Momo could hear Zunisha just like Luffy, so that kinda puts a hole in that too, and he's not a confirmed CoC user

Since he wants to be new Shogen, maybe he's destined to have it, but not a proper user yet

[muted valley]

They said that Roger possessed the ability to hear the voice of things

[weary cliff]

I would say the obvious answer is Shanks, but its probably going to be a left field one. Why would you think the egg, though? Roger said it had been a long time, and it seems like the egg was unhatched

[scarlet cedar]

🤔

[bold gull]

any theory on why kaido is obsessed with zoan? beside of apoo and hawkins, who joined later, all of the DF users in his crew are either zoan or smile. given that doflamingo was affiliated with kaido and that he seemed to be able to gather DFs on the black market, isn't it a bit weird that there are no paramecia or logia in kaido's crew?

[scarlet cedar]

well they are the beast pirates

[pseudo citrus]

while I see where you're coming from an interested, it might be worth mentioning he had the clone-clone and bari-bari fruits working "with" him before (although only through orochi)

[raven stratus]

wouldnt look too deep into it tbh

seems all the beast pirates win by pure brute strengrh means imo, coinciding with kaidos MO (even tho hes cunning)

[weary cliff]

The kurozumi had their own agenda and teamed up well after Kaido had his crew. It's still a valid question why Kaido wanted to have the beast pirates

[pseudo citrus]

imo it was probably just done by oda to keep a consistent theme... big mom has food pirates, kaido has beast pirates, shanks has non-fruit pirates, blackbeard... not so sure

[weary cliff]

Blackbeard is all fruit pirates

[pseudo citrus]

but not really a consistent theme among them, unlike big mom/kaido

[bold gull]

well BM crew is not so consistent tbh. brulee, mont d'or, oven, daifuku didn't have food related DFs... i'm sure there are others that i'm missing

as for shanks we don't know much about his crew

[pseudo citrus]

I was originally going to joke that the theme of shanks' crew is that we know nothing about any of them 😄

it is confirmed that caesar can only create fake zoan fruits, right? and that vegapunk was hinted in the recent SBS to be able to reproduce others?

[weary cliff]

That's the implication. Sort of makes sense, because he was already able to take Kizaru's beam and mass produce that. So he already had some success replicating powers

[pseudo citrus]

I just mention because I guess it's a coincidence that caesar/joker are able to provide fake zoan fruits to kaido, who already had a pirate crew of real zoans?

[weary cliff]

No coincidence, Kaido was the client who got the whole operation started

[bold gull]

also smiles have an high failure rate and gifter doesn't seem to be that strong... getting a bunch of paramecia like BM or even doflamingo did would be a better strategy i think

[weary cliff]

If anything, its lucky Caesar was able to produce a semi functional fake zoan. No way he could do a paramecia

[pseudo citrus]

if caesar were to make fake paramecia instead of smiles, I bet they'd have their own shitty catch

[bold gull]

I was wondering whether the hint in SBS was referring to vegapunk being able to replicate also mythological zoan or any other type of DF

[weary cliff]

I don't think he's talented enough as a scientist to even pull it off

[pseudo citrus]

it's seeming like momo's replica mythical zoan is pretty good, so that could be the case

[weary cliff]

It definitely works better than was reported. I hope we do get to see him do something like lift the Polar Tang up to onigashima

[pseudo citrus]

would like to see a bolo breath before the end of wano too, tbh

[weary cliff]

I've never even considered that lol

[digital horizon]

Oda has basically confirmed it was actually a perfect copy.

without saying it outright probably to hide vegapunks true motives in his lie, but honestly any flaw in the fruit seems more about momo's inability to utilize it properly

[cerulean coyote]

Vegapunk also granted Kuma a last wish. I think he is forced to work for the wg...
Think about every marine with kaido's fruit (while now they just have ssg with borsalino's light). They would be unstoppable!

[pure raven]

No one talk about see Momo Hybrid

[median slate]

Momo to be an apprentice on luffys ship like shanks was on Roger?

[pure raven]

We know from a while Vegapunk was an outlaw captured for his gentic research

[cerulean coyote]

Where was it written?

[pure raven]

WCI arc

He was working with Judge and discovers together the lineage factor

[old fossil]

Act 3 will end soonish

[pure raven]

yeah i think a flashback is coming soon

[old fossil]

We will have an Invincible moment("Think Yamato THINK, you wanna be Oden when I killed him??!?!?!") with Kaido and Yamato after he whoops her and then the flashback I am guessing, and around then the act 3 will end. Many people are not guessing this already, I am not like the other guys

[hidden tinsel]

Kinnemon should be the Shogun

[old fossil]

Nah he should be 6 feet under after that chapter

[pure raven]

What about momo haha ?

[hidden tinsel]

He goes with Luffy after opening Wano

[old fossil]

That has to be Yamato

[pure raven]

Yeah and leave his country, hiyori etc

of course

[old fossil]

Momo doesn't really care for it unlike Yamato

[hidden tinsel]

Yeap, they meet up with Bonney and she ages him to his right age

[pure raven]

I'm afraid a little bit of that, like toki effect and he grow up suddenly

[pure raven]

she only ages physically. he is still 8

[hidden tinsel]

Tru dat

[pure raven]

Bonney is more accurate to the theory where she rejuvenate the WG as immortal

[hidden tinsel]

Still too young to run a country though

I see him doing something special though, where he gets recognized

[pure raven]

Help defeat Kaido ?

With his DF mystery i mean

[hidden tinsel]

That or help carry the island with the same power Kaidos using

[pure raven]

Nah

[hidden tinsel]

[pure raven]

if kinemon isnt dead, he will help him run the country

This is shit, Momo don't have the strenght to do that

[old fossil]

He is gonna open the borders, what ever causes the storms around Wano, Momo will be able to use voice of all things to stop that.

[pure raven]

For me (Sukiyaki/tenguyama?) Yamato, Hiyori and momo will rule together on Wano, and join later

[hidden tinsel]

Either way he said it himself, he cant die cause he has to do something grand

[pure raven]

Oh yeah, not stupid, like an ancient protection ?

[pure raven]

Yeah he his probably an antic weapon, so a role to play in the future as shiraoshi
Like great war
Like destroying RL

[bold gull]

there's already a simpler way to get in wano but at the moment is controlled by the beasts

[old fossil]

Maybe a creature like the elephant or something to keep out the government. Also he specifically can't die since he seems to be the only person that communicate using Voice of all things

[cedar sinew]

the storms are just naturally formed

like many grand line weather patterns

voat isn't going to do anything there

[hidden tinsel]

Communicating with a beast

Nvm he heard Luffy

[pure raven]

Maybe he will just move Wano people, Zunesha has a city on his back, and zunesha has a place purpose, a little bit like noah (built by kozuki right ?) is supposed to bring FM to the sea level

[cedar sinew]

noah isnt built by kozuki

[modest skiff]

Right and if we entertain the Wano on back theory, it would make sense to use a beast to move Wano somewhere safe

[cedar sinew]

yeah if you believe in the turtle theory

though I think it'd be weird if they were on a turtle for 1000+ years and no one noticed

[bold gull]

why moving wano after opening the borders?

[cedar sinew]

well supposedly to make trade/commute easier

the only real problem is the storm/weather pattern

the koi waterfall method can be reformed to make it more accessible. And there's another way to enter Wano via some cable cart

also regarding the turtle theory, it's said that the Kozuki clan purposefully closed its bordered a long time ago. So idk how that'd work with a turtle. Did they order it to be more defensive or something?

I think Wano is just naturally built that way, and they decided to shut off all trade at some point

[pure raven]

could also be so many threats occured in a turbulent world that they were like "Naw" And shut the borders

[pure raven]

You're right , it's not confirmed, i just remember this translation appear at the release of the chapter, who no one remember, because other translation are in now
But technically " A clan with great skills" is obviously kozuki

[modest skiff]

"Go walk over there in the middle of all that stuff"

[cedar sinew]

why is it obviously kozuki

because they built the poneglyphs?

[bold gull]

well storm and weird atmospheric phenomenons are a common thing in the new world, tbh wano isn't rhe worst place to reach... and apparently there's an elevator to avoid the waterfalls

[pure raven]

Kozuki weren't known as great shipwrights

[modest skiff]

Not obviously kozuki. I would argue probably another clan

[cedar sinew]

it's probably just the void century

I'd argue it could be an elbaf clan

[pure raven]

It's the point great skill, but it's also the only "clan" who is related to the antic things
But yeah maybe another clan

[cedar sinew]

giants making a giant ship.

[pure raven]

So kozuki haha

[cedar sinew]

would give more exposition on elbaf as well when we only have one known group from there so far

[modest skiff]

It would likely be much easier for giants to build that ship

[cedar sinew]

yeah there's an elevator

but I assume it's still fairly difficult to reach the elevator

[modest skiff]

The elevator doesn't avoid the currents though

[digital horizon]

oh shit I forgot about this line, damn where would be a clan of shipwrights lol Elbaf?

[cedar sinew]

"but times have changed..."

[modest skiff]

Or another county we don't know about yet. Right now you could argue Hancock island has the best boats

[cedar sinew]

foreshadowing Elbaf exposition relating to the VC

🤔

[pure raven]

Kaido and WG succeed to do it multiple times

[digital horizon]

if Elbaf has the viking aesthetic as implied by the eblafians we've seen then them being about ships would be fitting

[modest skiff]

Kaido and the WG managing to get by is not the same as any ole trade boat making it through. The goal is for Wano to be EASILY reachable

[cedar sinew]

the point is it should be easy enough for regular civillians to make it there

though they've never referenced the currents in relation to opening the borders. So maybe it's not a requirement to do so

[modest skiff]

I still think something is able to physically change about Wano that makes it more accessible

[pure raven]

I don't know we can easily guess that Antic Giants (Wano) and Giants (Saura) can be linked to the antic kingdom
But cannot it be simply a "past where all is big" ? I mean noah, the hat, shiraoshi, zunesha and all the story of antic giants/giantification etc etc

Not understanding all the direction of oda, need light on it

[old fossil]

Maybe but I still think that opening the borders will have something to do with voice of all things since what would be the reason why Momo can't die? Like what is so special about him

[digital horizon]

Well if the fight gets any more intense the topography can change real quick

[cedar sinew]

wild theory. Maybe during Luffy and Kaido's battle something so crazy happens it changes the geography relating to the ocean and makes the currents less dangerous. Sort of like what happened to PH, but in a good way

[modest skiff]

Antic? What are you meaning by antic?

[cedar sinew]

ancient?

[pure raven]

Antic as giant, or antic as void centure.
Yes Mai have a better word, sorry for that

[cedar sinew]

what do you mean past where all is big

[pure raven]

Theory of Wano sea level ?

[cedar sinew]

do you mean in the past everyone was a giant

[modest skiff]

Ancient = very old. Ancient can be used to mean thousands of years ago. Are you saying the void century, where the ancient kingdom was?

I am assuming English is not your first language, so I am happy to help you understand 🙂

[frosty zinc]

I think I should avoid this channel until I am at chapter 1015 I am only 50 chapters away and most of these theories contain spoilers

[cedar sinew]

yes you should come back after you catch up

[pure raven]

More or less yeah in fact
Zunesha is huge, sea kings are huge, Phoneglyph are monster rock, the hat is huge, etc etc

So i'm not saying "everyone was giants" but yeah like there is a "big world" in a way

[cedar sinew]

no I think there always has been big creatures in the world, and we see a bit of in in present time

a lot of the animals we see are giant

[pure raven]

Yeah haha sorry 🥲
So yeah Ancient kingdom, 800Y ago

[cedar sinew]

not only seakings but sea monsters and land monsters

[modest skiff]

One of my loose theories is that the only natives on the planet are the giant things and everyone else is an invader/colonizer

[cedar sinew]

poneglyphs are purposely big to convey lots of information.
Zunesha is an anomaly. And ancient giants are an example of an extinct specie, kinda like dinosaurs irl

[pure raven]

Yep Maybe it's juste a world like that indeed.
But the mystery of giants/genetic is one of the most exciting for me

[cedar sinew]

I think it's just an element of the world with OP being a fictional series

[pure raven]

Real question : Can a "human" be descendant of a Giant ?

[cedar sinew]

I dont think it has any narrative significance or will be explained.
Though the roles of Zunesha or continent pullers will definitely tie back in to the VC

but not like, the formation of the world or how humans came to be or anything like that

giants will give birth to giants

so no

[pure raven]

OP Genesis

[modest skiff]

Zunesha may just be the only one left. I don't think we have enough reason to say killing a bunch of giant stuff wasn't the ancient war

[bold gull]

good question also in revers: Can a giant descend from humans? like Big Mom?

[cedar sinew]

BM isn't a giant

[pure raven]

Yeah okay thank you

[cedar sinew]

neither is kaido

they specifically say BM doesn't meet the height requirements and show her parents are human.
So that's heavily implying giants come from giant parents

[pure raven]

Kaido is more near to Giants with his creed of death
But maybe linlin is more "non-normal" than just a weird and strong child

I think Kaido we don't care

[bold gull]

yeah but their parents are normal human height while she's supposed to be around 9 meters tall

[pure raven]

Shiraoshi ?

[modest skiff]

I still think something is fishy here. There has to be something else going on. I know we have no other info, but I don't buy it. There is something special about BM. Maybe Vegapunk experiment to turn people into giants. I have no idea. But I can't accept the idea that BM is entirely normal

[pure raven]

I don't have problem with that, it's OPVerse as Mai said it

[echo ingot]

🤔 second Zunisha/twin elephant? My Japanese tl talks about it a lot today

[bold gull]

well fishman genetic is really weird...

[cedar sinew]

I mean idk. If it was an experiment she wouldn't be roaming around freely

[pure raven]

Perfectly agree with you, maybe gigantification but it can be normal it will be okay
But yeah, she is litteraly born with the the strongest organism in the world

[tired osprey]

Its a popular theory in japan

[cedar sinew]

she'd be contained and tested on. Also the parents' reactions indicate that it's just an unfortunate circumstance

I think she's just a freak of nature and I'm fine with that explanation

[modest skiff]

The parents maybe don't know. Maybe she was too strong to contain. I'm not satisfied with freak of nature, but maybe you are right.

[bold gull]

the redline would separate them

[pure raven]

Yeah, and cp0 should probably know she were adopt by Mother Caramel

[echo ingot]

they found some new details it seems, i don't know japanese so i can't translate

[cedar sinew]

they would know if she got tested on like Sora did w/ Judge. Or if BM was taken away as a child

[modest skiff]

where is the right image from?

[cedar sinew]

but I genuinely don't think BM is something artificial

because that implies there can be multiples BMs

[tired osprey]

Greg has talked a lot about it

[pure raven]

And the "eyes" ? (Sorry it's in french)

[echo ingot]

It's from todays video, it's 20+ min long and the elephant is the only part i understood. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4q82qQO_peo

[pure raven]

Not really see Zunesha twins with full image

[modest skiff]

doesn't need to twin and doesn't even need to be an elephant. could be a rhino. Could be a dog.

[cedar sinew]

this image has been brought up a lot the past week for some reason lol. No idea if Oda thought all the way back, and I dont think Zunesha's eyes would glow like that.

[pure raven]

Yeah, nah for me the shadow is just a fake mystery

[echo ingot]

Just translating some comments 😄 : There's a book called "The Elephant's Eggs" and if the egg on Roger's ship was elephant egg, it might be it.

[pure raven]

"elephant egg" lol
I prefer Uranus

[echo ingot]

I know nothing about this book but sounds interesting lol

[pure raven]

And why this book is relevant ?

[echo ingot]

I have no idea, I'm just skimming through the comments

[bold gull]

afaik elephants are mammals aren't they?

[pure raven]

Yeah, indeed, that's the problem

[radiant blade]

Or what if it was just Zunesha

[echo ingot]

maybe it's a fantasy book

[pure raven]

Do you think he calmly climb over mariejoie ?

[echo ingot]

people in the comments talk about the second elephant tho

[radiant blade]

Shit youre right

[pure raven]

Exactly what we need....
A second elephant ....

Zunesha walking for 1000 years to find his loved one, and he need to destroy Red line for that
What a coincidence

[echo ingot]

well zunisha was inspired by this salvador dali's art, right. so why not lol

[pure raven]

that is very unsettling

[bold gull]

maybe zunesha is the one that build the red line after an harsh divorce with his loved one and that's why it was condemned to walk aimlessly for the rest of his life

[pure raven]

Evil WG who don't want the love of the elephant

Seriously, How do we came to talk about a second elephant at first ? That's more relevant to start here

[echo ingot]

you need to watch the video for that I guess I don't know japanese so I have no idea lol. But I see it a lot in my japanese tl today for some reason.

[pure raven]

tl ?
But yeah okay so japanese are another theory level 🤷‍♂️
Or more crazy than us i don't know.

You Know, in a lot of year of OP i learn a things : Oda is a genius, but the fans are thinking way more than him
But he has a great general culture, it's always cool

Thanks you for the Dali knowledge, it's cool to learn that !

[fathom matrix]

What if Zunisha eventually dies, but it's not like Zoa will be destroyed or fall to ruins, but his body just practically becomes an island

[cedar sinew]

his body will eventually rot away

[echo ingot]

twitter timeline

[amber oar]

ah yeah so the elephant has a couple of eyes at the left cheek

[pure raven]

Oh okay, weird because there is nothing happening in the last chapter related directly to zunesha
Maybe another book release ? It was supposed to released a full book with all mystery in op (recap)

[echo ingot]

Eh, I'm not even trying to prove anything. As I said, I just brought the video I can't even properly understand lol. It's probably extremely dumb who knows

[bold gull]

i was thinking... after luffy set sail for WCI momo remained in zou allegedly to figure out what was going on with him talking with zunesha and being able to order it around.. isn't weird that they didn't bring zunesha in wano? it could have wiped out onigashima with just a swing of its trunk

[pure raven]

Onigashima : fall on the capital
Zunesha : HooLDDd MyY BEeeERr KAaiDoOU

[modest skiff]

Maybe that’s what happened to Wano

[fathom matrix]

Yeah, and also find it hard to destinguish friend from foe, and esssentially cause a mass amount of damage to wano. Good idea in theory, but it can be very difficult

[quasi pecan]

What do you think the one piece is

[crystal quiver]

I have a theory that Yamatos devil fruit is a bear fruit,
This is because in the recent sbs Oda said that yamato likes eating salmon, even raw. What animal likes salmon? The grizzly bear, what fruit does kaido have a fish fruit.

Also yamatos clothes have some sort of creature on the sides that kind of resembles a bear

[pure raven]

I'm honestly down to believe that Yamato has no mother and is in fact just another experiment like the numbers that has Kaido's blood hence the "father" aspect

[crystal quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/yamato-one-piece-one-piece-yamato-one-piece-opening23-gif-21755129

[crystal quiver]

That would make Yamato a “successful” number creation

[pure raven]

Vegapunk said momo's fruit was a "Failure"

[crystal quiver]

But it doesn’t really make sense. I would rather Yamato be an orphan than an experiment

[pure raven]

functionally the same except the former implies Kaido has a heart

[supple magnet]

Pretty sure he was lying to keep himself off the governments radar

[crystal quiver]

Yeah, we still don’t know why he said that? Maybe because it’s like a real devil fruit but uncontrollable like how momo sudden changes forms

[pure raven]

I like to believe it sort of "Shares" the same DF as Kaido so if Momo can get a grip of it, the soul or whatever you call the devil fruit would weaken it so to speak but that's me talking out of my ass. I'm sure Oda has an actual thematic explanation for it.

Also Momo can't control it cause he's a kid who doesn't know how to train/use it. Luffy was the same way. Every DF requires training of some sort

[crystal quiver]

Makes sense, most likely both devil fruits do have some sort of link since this is an actual devil fruit not a smile, but then again the pacifistas don’t have much connection to kizaru other than his lasers

[pure raven]

I'm just using the idea since We know Vegapunk experimented with Kaido's blood somewhat so there's gotta be some weird essence to it so to speak

[supple magnet]

I think it functions like a smile fruit except instead of animal dna it has Kaidos dna which is why it gives his powers also supports the theory that devil fruits alter dna completely

[pure raven]

might also canonically explain why BB can have multiple devil fruits

[crystal quiver]

Yeah we still don’t know what “side” vegapunk is on he could be a secret revolutionary

[pure raven]

I sorta doubt it?

[supple magnet]

I think it’s logical that he’s not on the side of the marines

[pure raven]

I think Vegapunk has a heart but he also did roboticize kuma and send him off to slavery so like

[crystal quiver]

It probably isn’t true but we dont know much about him so we can only speculate 😂

[pure raven]

Oda's gonna have his character make a splash as he always does

[crystal quiver]

Think kuma think

[pure raven]

Fucking Oden eating a meal over the bonfire of a corpse my god

[radiant geyser]

He did program Kuma to protect the Sunny

[supple magnet]

Funniest shit in the series

[crystal quiver]

On request of kuma, so he must’ve kept that hidden from the WG

[pure raven]

he honored Kuma's last wish. That says he has a heart but not that he sides with the revolutionaries

We know at the very least he isn't 100% a lapdog of the WG

[crystal quiver]

Also I was reading the pinned theories and the urouge and blackbeard theory also makes a lot of sense

[pure raven]

Worst Case, he's probably like Smoker and Coby whom want the marines to change for the better.
Best case he's been an incognito Revolutionary this entire time under dragon and leaking them info

[supple magnet]

What theory is that

[radiant geyser]

yeah. Considering he also worked with Judge in secret before being apprehended by the World Government, he might actually be more selfish than you'd assume a revolutionary would be

[crystal quiver]

#manga-theories message

This one ☝🏼

[crystal quiver]

Could be like orochimaru, just after scientific knowledge

[tranquil mesa]

am fairly new to this server but wanted to see if people still believe in the theory that blackbeard is somehow multiple people? been trying to wrap my head around how that'd be possible

[supple magnet]

I hope not

[pure raven]

from what I understand, and it's just me really not looking at the theory; people think he ate his brothers or absorbed his siblings in the womb or whatever and thats why he technically counts as "2" or more people

It's wild and I don't think Oda's gonna touch that but it is a theory none the less.

[minor mountain]

I was thinking maybe he is two people? He acted very different the first time he met luffy and zoro? And then he changed as the bb he is now?

[pure raven]

I doubt it but I doubt it on the ground that like people have multiple layers

and while Oda really doesn't do character development often, he does in fact remain consistent (Except for BM but that's a me thing)

[supple magnet]

Oda does lots of character development it’s just stretched out because the series is longer

[pure raven]

I think there's a major difference in characterization vs character development

Character Development implies a change to the character and how they noticeably become different.
Characterization is just we see that character in more situations to showcase more of themselves and how they react

The strawhat we've seen the most of in terms of characterization is Sanji. Even pre WCI, he was the most dynamic and probably competent member of the crew. From the ordeal with Kreig to eventually his role as Mr. Prince, and then of course to WCI, we see Sanji's characterization goes through but he doesn't change. He never not grows out his weaknesses.

The only thing that becomes reaffirmed in a sense is their loyalty to the crew and Luffy specifically

[supple magnet]

That’s a good point but I still think there is lots of development. My main examples are luffy and sanji because luffy develops each arc by becoming a better captain an realizing his mistakes and growing from them and sanji develops mostly in wano where he asks robin to save him because he truly trust his friends and won’t try and do everything himself. I’m not too familiar with the differences between characterization and development so I might be wrong.

[pure raven]

In narrative writing and this is kinda rare in Eastern stuff
Character development is effectively a noticable change in how a character behaves. Some people construe this as growing up or maturing but that isn't necessarily always the case. Characters like Naruto for example did go through a noticable character development. He changes from a brash little kid whom wanted to be noticed into a young man who puts the needs of others ahead of his own. The key essense of development is the noticeable change in character.

Luffy at the beginning of the story doesn't change. He goes through some shit but remains resolute. In Alabasta he says it's childish for Vivi to think that nobody will die in her attempt to save her country. In Zou, Luffy tells Momo basically the same thing. Luffy is a brilliant protagonist in the world of one piece because in this world, he is a constant. He is the epitome of Chaotic good and Evil. The problems he fights escalates and grows with complexity and ramifications. From Alvida to the world government to Doflamingo to Kaido, Luffy does not give two shits. We see more of Luffy's history and why he is who he is but he effectively never changes in the narrative. Same with the other straw hats, all that changes is their faith in Luffy being only further cemented where loyalty potentially wavered

[tranquil mesa]

i would argue ace's death was a moment of development for luffy; he recognizes his crew isn't strong enough to take on the grand line and changes their reunion for 2 years rather than 3 days, changes from the luffy who always has full confidence and is ready to take on the world

[pure raven]

With Nami, it was Arlong Park. "Help me."
With Usopp it was Water 7 "Have faith in Luffy"
With Robin it was Enies Lobby "TAKE ME WITH YOU!"
With Sanji it was Whole Cake Island "I want to go back!"

[pure raven]

Luffy's development in that regard is more due to Rayleigh's guidance but Luffy's outlook and personality remains the same except with an increase in power.

Luffy never doubted himself until he lost Ace and after that training time skip he still never doubts himself.

Literally him walking up to Kaido and saying "I'll take care of Kaido." shows that Luffy doesn't change

and that's not saying it's bad; You can have a phenomenal story without character development. Good writing is any writing that works and entertains

[supple magnet]

So are you saying that character development is more of a personality change then a change thinking?

[pure raven]

it's why I've dug and stayed with One Piece for as long as I have

[pure raven]

Character development is a noticeable change that is effectively shown in more character driven narratives. One Piece is not a character driven narrative. It's an adventure narrative. And it's not always easily spotted. The only instance I can think of for Luffy that is deemed "Character development" is in his relation to Shanks

Early on as a kid, we see Luffy look down on Shanks for not fighting the mountain bandits initially.
Then later on as a young man, Luffy does the same thing Shanks did at the island before Skypeia.

This is a character development moment. It's a change in knowing something but applying it to make themselves effectively "Better" than who they were before

[tranquil mesa]

i wanna say the lack of character development in OP could be attributed to the lack of deaths? just mentally comparing Luffy to Naruto and Naruto grows during the series as a lot of his friends/loved ones die off and his dream evolves

[pure raven]

Naruto is also very much a character driven Narrative and goes deeper into character dynamics and how they operate

One Piece is a story about adventure.

Oda's a master world builder and an excellent showcase of themes in Action.
Not all development needs to be spurred on through something as drastic as a character death but it can happen in any story but Oda's shown me anyway that he's running a very static crew

and that's okay for the story that One Piece is trying to tell

[tranquil mesa]

hahaha was in the middle of typing something like this; you're right OP doesn't have to have so much development as its a very different story to Naruto

[pure raven]

Oda's also had the chance to show character development in the 20+ years and by now I think it's safe to say we're not getting it and that's okay. Sometimes it's totally cool to have someone who is just so chaotic good that they say fuck anyone who tries to do bad shit

Luffy punching a celestial dragon is a phenomenal moment in the story and I honestly can't wait to see him do it again.

[frank wharf]

I just want to ask/clarify but there's a lot of people speculating that Luffy spoke to Momo with the "voice of all things" to deliver a message in 1015. That didn't happen. Momo said "I have a message from Luffy. Don't give up. Luffy said he'd definitely come back for me." or something along those lines. That 'message' from Luffy was given to Momo in person when Kanjuro was abducting him, it was the last thing Luffy shouted out to him. He did appear to have a small sonar (for lack of a better word) in the sea with the voice that the heart pirates heard and alluded to. However this never reached Momo. I've just seen this brought up in #manga too many times and I'm pretty sure I'm correct here. Stop thinking Luffy has crazy telepath powers.

[supple magnet]

I agree that telepathic powers isn’t a good thing but if momo was actually just quoting luffy from then that would be giving the alliance false hop and that’s kinda messed up

[nocturne bison]

But why law crew can hear him /understand him even hes on the water?

[dire token]

[hallow sparrow]

its from Momo I think

what is joyboy powers anyways

[pure raven]

no idea

[frank wharf]

it's worth keeping in mind that he's a child and probably has a poor time coping with cognitive dissonance in the same way the rest do. For example he receives news that Luffy is dead but refuses to let that erase what Luffy told him.

[pure raven]

but this is working under my idea of reincarnation or a title being passed on

[pure raven]

I think you're putting too much faith in Oda to attach real world logic to it. Oda's never been one to deal with coping mechanisms very well

[hallow sparrow]

cant wait for next chapter because some things can be explained there

[pure raven]

One Piece is not a world that will give therapy is how I'll word it

[frank wharf]

I don't think Joyboy is a title or a reincarnation. I think it's more simple than that. I think Joyboy is someone that can stir the hearts of others and reach Laugh Tale with enough allies to fight for everyone's freedom.

I think that's one of the big themes of One Piece. Anybody can act like Luffy. Anybody can be Joyboy.

Much like anybody could be Roger.

[hallow sparrow]

what could be yamatos DF? im sure its zoan yes but which kind

[pure raven]

I doubt it honestly

But that's cause Oda goes hard on the theme of Fate and destiny

[frank wharf]

Everybody in Kaido's army is a zoan type so it should be no surprise. It's also a heirarch of sorts with all the lowest ranks being SMILE users and his top soldiers are all ancient zoan types with Kaido himself being a mythical zoan user. Seeing as Yamato is Kaido's daughter I wouldn't be surprised if they also have a mythical type to stay in theme of Kaido wanting them to be his successor.

It would likely be some sort of important figure in Japanese folklore though, much like Kaido is the Ryu (Dragon) figure. Everything in Wano is based heavily on Japanese folklore. For example there was a 3-legged crow that once helped the first emperor of the new dynasty arrive at his destination to topple the current leader and instate himself as emperor. You want to know how that crow is depicted in Japanese art? Here

Look familiar?

It's also not just restricted to Wano though. For example, one of the names for the deity of the sea is Wadatsumi. Oda uses this to humerous effect by making a giant sea-dwelling character that is quite stupid named Wadatsumi.

He's just a nerd for that stuff I suppose.

[supple magnet]

What’s the three legged crow supposed to represent?

[livid robin]

Byakko

[frank wharf]

The Kozuki clan crest that the Akazaya Nine all bare a tattoo of, for comparison. There's a lot of parallel between the legend and One Piece, guiding Momo to overthrow Orochi and instate him as Emperor etc.

[supple magnet]

I see it now

[frank wharf]

Also in legend, the god of the sea is Ryujin, who is portrayed as (you guessed it) a blue Dragon. This makes sense with Kaido, strongest pirate on the sea etc.

He has a daughter called Toyotama in the legend which, this may be a stretch, but you could anagram most of the letters of Toyatama into Yamato. Toyatama is often, due to her heritage, denoted as a human/dragon hybrid. Therefore if Yamato can do the same it wouldn't be so surprising. Especially considering Kaido has the fish-fish dragon model, Yamato's could be another fruit's dragon model.

[amber oar]

Yamato seems to have teeth tho
Now I'm on the tiger/byakko thain, though I think there are too many mythicals in Onigashima anyway
I have the feeling that another dragon would be redundant... even if it's a western dragon (that would be more reptilian and consequently part of the ryu ryu family)

in regards to DF and heritage we don't have many samples, but Big Mom singlehandledly proves DF powers aren't inheritable

[fathom matrix]

Yaknow, the Kozuki symbol almost looks like a pirate flag

Maybe the jolly roger was inspired by it?

[modest skiff]

4 points converging is also hard to ignore laugh tale lol

[fathom matrix]

It may be different with Zoan DNA, as that was a lot easier to work with and Vegapunk was able to basically create a perfect or near perfected devil fruit, and the fact it changed his biology that much. But then it would ad the question as to why there aren't a bunch of people around the world that can transform into bears, gorillas or wolves, who has Zoan DF parents.

I think it legit is just another devil fruit, or it turns out she's half fish woman

[modest skiff]

Oda doesn’t always strictly adhere to the plots that inspire him though

[amber oar]

Whose biology? Kaido doesn't seem like having his biology changed, aside from standard Zoan transformations

[fathom matrix]

well, he clearly did have a genetic change to allow Vegapunk to make that fruit

and I doubt Kaido willing turned into a dragon or a hybrid for them to get that DNA

if all possible to not in the process

[undone marten]

You guys think BB will get Kaidos Zoan fruit ? So he has the strongest Zoan,Paramecia and Logia ?

[oak mural]

he will die if he does it lol

[fathom matrix]

That seems to be a theory. It may be possible, but there could be a zoan that exceeds that

[amber oar]

Clearly is a bit of a strong word, for me it's not clear he needed Kaido to be transformed, just take samples

[supple magnet]

I don’t think so because it would make his fight like kaidos and that would be repetitive

[frank wharf]

I don't think Yamato has Zoan powers hereditarily. We've seen Dragon clearly has wind/storm logia powers of some sort from Loguetown and Luffy has none of that. I think Yamato just has another fruit, I think Kaido would have enough influence to be able to give their offspring a powerful fruit so they're a worthy successor. The real question I want to know is who tf is Yamato's mom??

[amber oar]

Just had a thought on what BB could do with Orochi's df

[undone marten]

That makes sense

[frank wharf]

The theory is that his first fruit was the cerberus mythical zoan which gave him 2 other "blackbeards" that ate the other 2 fruits. So he already has the strongest of all 3.

[supple magnet]

He could still have a strong zoan if he gets Marcos fruit or if ryokugyu has a zoan. There have been some theories that he has a Cerberus fruit and each head is how he gets multiple devil fruits

[fathom matrix]

They would have probably had to use sea prism, cause I doubr Kaido would be freed and no run away being like "Okey Kaido, if you don't run away or murder everyone you can have this piece of candy and 2 years off your sentence", unless they said "hey Kaido, if you let us experiment on you, maybe you can die" then he might have went "okey, well I'll go dragon mode and go nuts", I could maybe sorta buy that, but I don't think he'd appreciate or cooporate with being experimented on

[amber oar]

that theory has no basis and evidence points otherwise

[amber oar]

dude you're headcanoning even their lines

they just need to have him tied up

and take samples

and likely when they did he wasn't nearly as strong as he is now

[fathom matrix]

Are you saying he was in dragon form or his hybrid when they did this?

[frank wharf]

it has a lot of basis actually. there's a lot of hints towards it. his flag, his beard, the amount of guns he carries, the fact that he never sleeps etc.

[amber oar]

I see no reason for him to not be in his base form

[frank wharf]

they just needed his DNA man, it's not as if his DNA changes based on form, it would be how the Zoan fruit alters his DNA structure.

and then replicating that onto Momo

Momo having the same fruit as Kaido though is the obvious theory on how they save the flower capital, he can control the island too.

[amber oar]

there's a thousand things that relate to the number 3

and what does his insomnia have to do with cerberus

plus Marco already gave the hints. His body has something odd

If it was as simple as having the cerberus zoan someone would have done it already, but there's exactly zero precedents in history of holding two fruits

[fathom matrix]

That's what I kinda mean, and plus the mythical zoan seems to be active in his base form, giving him that strong body too. I mean, marco can use flames in base, Orochi had his head lopped off and he lived. So clearly you don't need to be in tha hybrid form to use all those ablities, and by then, you base's DNA hasn't changed too much as well.

[frank wharf]

the insomia part is that they all take turns, while 1 sleeps the others are awake etc. constantly rotating and never properly sleeping.

[amber oar]

you're building the idea the wrong way, you're thinking "since he's a cerberus, his head can take turns and....."

Not sleeping, in a vaccuum, is indicative of basically nothing.

And so is the number 3

[frank wharf]

well yes man you're missing the obvious example of how zoan fruits are always affecting you even in base form: Chopper. Mfer can still talk and think with the human-human fruit without being in a form.

[fathom matrix]

YEAH

Yeah, plus it's not like your 100% a normal human going out of zoan or before zoan

your DNA has been altered regardless

[frank wharf]

I don't think we've seen chopper interact with sea prism yet but I really hope we get to at some point because he'd just become a deer that doesn't know wtf is going on.

[fathom matrix]

well

Sea prism is said to just contain the power of the sea

and we saw what happened to chopper at Ennie's lobby, where he went back into his hybrid form

AND that was when he was unconscious and that's always his default state

[supple magnet]

Brook has been almost submerged in the sea in fishman island but he ain’t dead

[frank wharf]

Maybe sea prism it wouldn't work like that actually, but it would with blackbeard's power since it works differently and makes it as if you'd never eaten it in the first place.

[fathom matrix]

Sea prism might make chopper unable to go into any point and his brain point was stuck at the default, so he'd just go into that.

[undone marten]

Law can still give someone eternal life with his Fruit and what do you guys think Will Happen

[frank wharf]

Sea prism only stops the owner from being able to control their fruit power. They still have it. An example is in Arlong Park when Luffy was trapped below the water but they were still able to stretch his neck for him to above the surface. In a similar way, Haki is able to bypass the defensive elements of the rubber that a normal attack wouldn't, but he's still rubber. However when Blackbeard touched Luffy he was able to harm him by throwing him against his back to the ground. Something as simple as that. It completely removes it.

Therefore, tl;dr, I want to see Blackbeard make Chopper a regular deer. How funny.

[pure raven]

i think that's more Oda telling us that there is an immortal person

rather than Law will give immortality and that immortal person is probably in the WG pulling the strings just because it's what makes the most sense atm

Cough Im Cough

[rigid wadi]

What do you think will happen with Yamato saying to break chains with Kaido?

[amber oar]

Kaido starts to cry

[pseudo citrus]

the obvious meaning would be yamato killing kaido, but I have wondered whether there's something else going on... after all, we don't know what yamato was about to say here, which I hope we get an answer to

[amber oar]

But talking seriously, maybe Kaido somewhat realizes the relationship with his child wasn't what he thought. It's not like he didn't have any plans with Yamato. He wanted to make her shogun. His reaction may not be fully ruthless, who knows

[pseudo citrus]

yeah, given that he has a plan for them, I don't see kaido trying to kill them... I could only imagine him trying to kill yamato if they were going to escape, but yamato clearly aint running

[pure raven]

Shanks is the next king of the pirates

And he is taking the hat and say like sorry luffy ur so weak

And laughs

[grizzled fog]

Neat video but that’s probably not the right channel for that

[supple magnet]

Shanks isn’t gonna be like that aside from luffy the only other PK candidate is Blackbeard

[frank wharf]

Yeah literally my first thought upon seeing Im was that they're an immortal from the void century. The way they looked at Joyboy's (or at least likely Joyboy's) hat was almost nostalgic.

[pure raven]

Actually

I just realized; There really arent many good biological parents in one piece

like almost each of them are shit or dead

[modest skiff]

I got a guilt feeling from the way he looks at it

[frank wharf]

Dragon does seem genuine. He has a duty to uphold and ultimately, what the revolution stands for is far more important than himself and he makes sacrifices for that. However it's been hinted at that he still deeply cares for Luffy's mother and clearly from the events in Loguetown cares about Luffy.

[thick sky]

Man, him facing easttown is the enough reason to say that he cares about Luffy. He longs for his son that he left in the name of his duty so whenever he takes a break from his duty (even if its just a few minutes, like coming out to take fresh air), he faces the direction of loguetown, longing for Luffy and wondering abt him

[tranquil mesa]

weird q but why is yamato referred to as 'they'?

[frank wharf]

because they're kaido's daughter but like to think of themselves as the man Oden

therefore their gender identity is ambiguous and it's easier to just say they

[pseudo citrus]

all of the japanese pronouns are male, but if you use male pronouns here it starts discussions, so I just go gender neutral until we know more

[tranquil mesa]

oh okay makes sense, cheers

[frank wharf]

@pseudo citrus to be clear, when Oda is talking about Yamato in SBS segments etc. the language he uses is completely ungendered. So technically that's the correct thing to do.

Any gendered language you see in an Oda SBS is a result of translation, that isn't how it's written.

Because obviously you can't quite translate things exactly as intended in a language with grammar vastly different to ours.

[novel scroll]

Calling it now, Yamato has Tiger devil fruit. 🐯

[supple magnet]

Can we stop this Yamato df talk it’s been going on for hours now

[velvet shale]

Mmmm yamato

[rigid wadi]

Calling it now, Yamato has Tiger devil fruit. 🐯
@novel scroll Oda really like surprises, we might see something unexpected for them

[novel scroll]

Tbh, it will be cool if it was mythical Hito Hito type Oni or something like that.
But tiger makes sense for the Tora Ryu lore

[rigid wadi]

At least I hope is Mythical, Yamato deserves that

Maybe now that is in front of Kaido, we might see their backstory

[pure raven]

blue tigers are borderline mythical/are mythical

[grizzled fog]

Blue? Why blue

[pure raven]

why are unicorns just horses with horns? people are weird ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rigid wadi]

Blue? Why blue
@grizzled fog The theory most accepted says is a white tiger because in chinese mithology, they are natural enemies of dragons

[grizzled fog]

I’m aware of the white tiger theory, I was asking about blue

[rigid wadi]

Dunno why he said blue XD

But the Byakko(White Tiger) theory seems really cool

[sacred hawk]

You know, a lot of people are saying that Marco's flames can't be used to heal Zoro's bones because it he said it only has a small effect on others. But considering that Marco can regrow lost limbs and heal from being stabbed in the head, a small effect can mean a lot of things

[pure raven]

cause blue tigers are also a mythical creature

White Tigers have a mythos about them that branch over to larger stuff and most zoans seem to be just regular animals or regular mythical animals

there's not gonna be a "Smaaug" devil fruit

[grizzled fog]

We actually saw it’s “small effect”, he used it on the Sphinx and it took like a day to heal a broken leg

[sacred hawk]

The sphinx was still walking around with it

[pure raven]

Marco can help numb the pain

[mild kite]

hmmm....never thought about it like this

[lusty hatch]

Could Kaido have learned about Joy Boy from the second poneglyph at Fishman island - which happens to be a road poneglyph too?
It would make sense for both poneglyphs to speak about joy boy

[cedar sinew]

road poneglyphs only contain info on the location of laughtale

[supple magnet]

I bet he knows from Rocks

[agile stream]

Or maybe a small interaction with roger

[pure raven]

or you know read the Oden Journal

[pure raven]

The real question would be how exactly can he read them if he did have it since he now wants robin

[supple magnet]

That’s a great theory I never thought of that

[pure raven]

I think Yamato said she had the journal the whole time and no one else knows about it

[pure raven]

also possible

Rocks probably would have likely known some parts about it

Whitebeard didn't know what the Will of D. Was but that doesn't me he didn't know about Joy Boy

but i'm sure a kaido backstory flashback will come soon enough

[lusty hatch]

Ya Yamato said Kaido and his crew don't know the journal exists

[agile stream]

Yamato been hiding it

[lusty hatch]

Any theories about how Greenbull might show up this arc?
I have a feeling he'll show up just not sure how

[inner sphinx]

Does anyone have a theory on jewelry bonney? What’s her connection to the WG and why was she let go of after having been captured by Akainu?

[agile stream]

Basic question but who do you think is joining ?

[pseudo citrus]

didn't we see bonney escape? I don't think she was let go

[cedar sinew]

we don't see her escape but it's implied she escaped yeah

[inner sphinx]

I don’t recall seeing her escape. I just remember her being captivated by BB and the Akainu came to collect her. He mentioned she had escaped from WG but then we saw her in a fur coat stealing some pizza

[agile stream]

Yes she was akainu was showing up and Blackbeard left

[cedar sinew]

her connection to the WG is through kuma and possibly the revos as well. She also may be royalty herself

[supple magnet]

It’s actually confirmed since she was at the levely

[cedar sinew]

it was in response to "let go" or "escape"

we don't see either but it's reasonable to assume she escaped

[supple magnet]

Fair

[inner sphinx]

But how could she escape from Akainu. He would take her to impel down. I can’t figure out how she could escape.

[supple magnet]

I doubt akainu would let her go tho

[glossy canopy]

will kin die?

[supple magnet]

Yes

[last void]

I secretly Hope that Before the Fight Law took all their Hearts and Stored them in his Submarine

[supple magnet]

It would be cool but there’s other ways to kill someone

[novel scroll]

I bet next week we gonna see Yamato transform at the end, but in a sihlouette, then of course "break next week".
Then next week after that, we jump to another place :OdaIsAHack:

[last void]

ooof

[supple magnet]

Watch it say no break next week

I would flip out

[warm narwhal]

Kaido is not going to be killed

He will be beaten, and thrown out of Wano. In Which CP0 well pick up his defeated body, to experiments on again like they did previously with Vegapunk. This is after the war ends and CP0 discovers that Momo is the results of the so-called failed experiment. They probably would try to capture momo for research purposes, but cant, cause he is well protected by the straw hats and the Samurai of Wano. So it’s easier and better to go with defeated Kaido, and a new scientist, likely someone brand new, or someone we know previously. Maybe Cesar, or Judge trying to get back on the good graces of the world government.

Whoever is the new scientist to experiments on Kaido to create more artificial devil fruits, would basically create their own smile fruit to create more dragons to feed to the celestial dragons, in which it will be a failed re-creation with the results of whoever eats it will become fish like people.

[fervent mantle]

that's not gonna happen

[supple magnet]

Big mom will completely betray Kaido and kill him this would be the only way that Kaido can die because nobody in the alliance can kill him it would also fit the theme of Pirate alliances always ending in betrayal

[pure raven]

BM takes Kaido's neck and drowns him underwater in the most murderous way possible

[pseudo citrus]

I like this one... I've also felt that there really isn't anyone that could kill him in the alliance... not only that, but dying to a betrayal would be a very anti-climactic death, which is not what kaido wants

the only problem is that it totally ruins the balance of power in onigashima, if BM kills kaido she'll be easily overwhelmed by the alliance

[warm narwhal]

They both are going down neither of them getting killed. Big mom will likely retreat while Kaido gets captured. That seems more one piece to me

[pure raven]

Honestly... and hear me out

I think it makes a lot of sense for both Kaido and BM are defeated and taken so that they can effectively be moved further down the plot for basically the greatest war that Oda is setting up atm.

[tranquil mesa]

my thoughts too, also the fact that OP villains don't die

kaido vs sakazuki lets go

[pure raven]

I really just want to see Katakuri lead the BM pirates and eventually even perhaps reject her for their own respective arcs

[supple magnet]

Kata too loyal for that

[pure raven]

I don't think so

Every one of the BM pirates fear BM and know that they are effectively disposable to her if they get in her way and she will personally kill them. This isn't a family full of love like the WB pirates are. Katakuri does what's best for his family because he does genuinely care for them (Well most of them. Flambe is a bit :/ ) I can see some of the BM kids being conflicted like Oven and Perospero but I think Katakuri would actually fight against the notion if he became their top lead

[supple magnet]

I can see him leading the bm Pirates if bm loses in wano but if she doesn’t lose or something else happens then I don’t see katakuri betraying her things would be the same as they’ve always been

[pure raven]

I don't think of it as betrayal

more like "You were gone; I had to take charge" and turns out most of the people on WCI actually prefer Katakuri

I feel there's a multitude of layers as to why Oda went out of his way to state that Katakuri is one of the more favored upon sons of LinLin

Just saying I don't see no perospero fan club or Oven fan club

and I think a lot of her kids would weigh the idea of their current life under Katakuri's leadership over LinLin's leadership which like
Katakuri > Big Mom

[supple magnet]

That could work but even if the bm Pirates favor katakuri I don’t see them serving him over big mom just because of her strength and influence also if he did lead them it would awesome if they were called the mochi pirates

[pure raven]

This is under the assumption that BM escapes and returns

and while I see your point; I think Katakuri would have changed enough and with of course some of the BM kids like Brulee and Pudding siding with Katakuri, may make the sway stronger.

Also BM has killed and destroyed so much of so many people's livlihoods that it's actually dangerous

not to mention is a canonical cannibal which you know 👀 I wouldn't feel safe

[teal nymph]

but all the souls of the ppl are with BM so y would they go against her ?

[pure raven]

The Homie's are with her by sheer use of power but through Zeus we can see that they can develop their own agency and autonomy.
The rest of the people have their souls but fractions of it behind. You wanna be behind the woman whom on multiple occasions kills her own children out of random flashes of anger? Or would you rather join the man alongside some of the other power houses that could potentially topple her and basically offer you a chance at a better life

I genuinely think there's an argument to be made for
Katakuri and the other sweet commanders and the rest of the BM pirates against BM and actually winning

(Or at the very least, hyper pacifying big mom through Pudding taking all her memories and her just being a sort of weird gentle giant thing)

[supple magnet]

Permanent Olin

[supple magnet]

I gotta disagree with this because I don’t see any yonko crew being able to defeat the captain but the argument could be made

[pure raven]

I think Katakuri makes a charismatic enough leader that it potentially negates BM's power since BM's power set works through fear and from there it's a battle of Haki vs Haki

or you know Haki vs HOLD HER THE FUCK DOWN AND TAKE HER MEMORIES FAST!

with the only real major scuffle being Hera, prometheus, and napoleon

[grizzled fog]

Wtf are you talking about? Kata doesn’t negate her soul fruit or anything lmao and his haki is not even remotely close to hers

[supple magnet]

Prometheus 1v1 against katakuri who you got ?

[pure raven]

You don't negate the soul fruit through Haki

You negate it through sheer lack of fear for her. We see Jinbei negate it cause he's not afraid of her or her power.

[supple magnet]

If katakuuri makes people not fear death then big mom can’t take their souls

[grizzled fog]

Jinbe was unaffected by the most basic ability of her fruit, that’s not negating the fruit

Literally all that means is she can’t just isntawin without trying at all lol

[supple magnet]

It’s negating the fruits most powerful ability

[teal nymph]

well said

[pure raven]

I was speaking through more faith in him because you're not afraid if you know you have a competent captain.
I'd argue negating her ability to suck out your life is pretty major especially since it becomes a brawl at that point or a brawl until they can pacify her to take her memories

cause that's arguably the best way you could actually take down BM since she's basically a force of nature and devastation

[grizzled fog]

Most people would still be afraid of her

And that’s such a minuscule amount of her capabilities, that really hardly helps at all

[pure raven]

Most probably would but her attention would presumably be on Katakuri and depending on who else joins him. Pudding's just waiting in the wings

[pure raven]

You think; Her being unable to literally take someones life is a miniscule thing? She can weaponize her own life force. That's the only other major component of the fruit.

She takes others lives through fear
Or
She weaponizes it through Hera and Zeus and whatever else

That's the extent of her power; the rest is sheer Haki and fighting and CoC

and whatever you wanna call hunger pangs

[grizzled fog]

Yes it’s a minuscule part of her capabilities lol, and she doesn’t even use it much. And did you forget about her homies? L

[pure raven]

Yes I'm sure afraid of the flower homies or the cake homies, or the other miniscule homies that are clearly not on par with Zeus, Hera, Prometheus, and Napoleon

[grizzled fog]

The rest is her incredible physical strength and nigh indestructible body, absurdly powerful homies , and crazy haki yes. Idk why you’re treating that like it nerfs her abilities at all

[olive coyote]

Does zoan type df's have awakening??

[grizzled fog]

Yes

[pure raven]

we see it in impel down with the wardens

[olive coyote]

If what did they show it in manga

[olive coyote]

When??

[last void]

Theory

[pure raven]

It's not a nerf, it's a "You can't directly take my life and automatically end it" and I genuinely Believe that Katakuri could at the very least counter it

[last void]

We're Gonna see about 3-4 Chapters about Yamato's Backstory and her Fight With Kaido

And then,Luffy will come to the Rooftop again

[pure raven]

I genuinely believe Katakuri could stand on Par with Jinbei and not have her take his life force making it a brawl which isn't a nerf to her in any capacity but puts them at least on the same fighting stage even if she is more brute force

[grizzled fog]

That’s fine, I’m saying that her not being able to instantly take his life isn’t a big deal at all, it’s literally not even 1% of her abilities, it just doesn’t really matter lol

[pure raven]

Koala and Rhino dude are explicitely stated to be awakened Zoan users

[pure raven]

It matters in the context of the way you defeat BM or rather Pacify her.

[olive coyote]

Ohhhh

[supple magnet]

I hope it focuses on Kaido more then Yamato because he’s way more interesting while Yamato came out of nowhere

[last void]

Hmm

Well Yamato vs Kaido might be the Same as Law vs Doflamingo

[pure raven]

Or you know

[last void]

in terms of Backstories atleast lol

[grizzled fog]

She doesn’t even try to take people’s souls like that often man, and even then, katakuri is just one person that wouldn’t be affected

[pure raven]

they could... lock BM up in the mirror dimension forever since they'd need brulee to get her out

[grizzled fog]

How would they get her there

[pure raven]

Wedding Cake

Don't you hate it that it's plausible

[grizzled fog]

Okay so in your hypothetical she is having a hunger pang?

[teal nymph]

but during her hunger pangs most of her children were useless they couldn't even stand a chance apart from from maybe kata , oven (if joins kata in opposing ) so just not being affected by her DF doesn't seem much of a handicap to BM

[pure raven]

Oh god no that was a joke.
I think there's a real chance for Katakuri and whatever small allegiance he's formed to basically pacify BM so that they could conceivably live a better life in the prospect that BM loses in Wano and is taken by the WG before hypothetically escaping and returning to take over leadership once more.

[teal nymph]

fat chance of that while BM is alive 1 possibility is kata and whatever small allegiance he's formed just leave BMP and form a new crew but this too might not sit well with BM

[pure raven]

You don't think Katakuri with some help of his siblings could take BM's memory to at least pacify her?

[grizzled fog]

Probably not, unless they pretty much had the whole crew lol

None of the main ones are even capable of harming her as far as we know, ‘Cept by oven

[teal nymph]

pacify her seems temporary just like olin one hunger pang and BM is back

[pure raven]

I think they're more than capable of feeding her. BM as herself was ravenous. BM as olin was managable despite her being really hungry

[grizzled fog]

She’s not a dog lol, if she’s in her right mind intent on killing someone you don’t just wave a cake in front of her and win

[pure raven]

Looks at perospero who directed her by telling her to go get the wedding cake from the straw hat pirates and she absolutely fucking did

[grizzled fog]

Did you read the part of my message where I said “if she’s in her right mind”?

[teal bay]

Momo is the last person i want to join straw hat. he aint got much guts he just cries all the time and tama is much more brave than him and also he is like 6-7 yrs old why will they take a kid with them

[pure raven]

Otama literally suffered and waited so long. She deserves the adventure

[silk acorn]

spoilers soon?

[supple magnet]

Why not both?

[teal bay]

yes get her if they want a kid on ship

[silk acorn]

momo is probably going to stay in wano tho

[teal bay]

as he should

[silk acorn]

he’s the vivi of the second half of one piece

[teal bay]

ooo same pfp

[last void]

Isn't it Rebecca?

[silk acorn]

LOL same pfp

[pure raven]

He has a nation to Run. Vivi was just a straight up princess

[teal nymph]

luffy will be shanks to otama encourage her go on her own adventure

[teal bay]

lmao but i dont want him to be in straw hats he is a mf kid who is happy when he sees boobs

[hollow sparrow]

Yass

[silk acorn]

Both are important and their countries have history related to the world government

[last void]

Does that mean he will give her the Strawhat?

[hollow sparrow]

Hell nah

[last void]

lol

[teal nymph]

may be after becoming PK

[teal bay]

and i hate him for that reason like tf bro you wanna take revenge for your father's death and you want boobs like when yamato had her in her clothes mf was smiling just after he was saved and being searched for

[pure raven]

yes but she didn't realistically need to be there. Cobra was enough to do it but she stayed for her own personal reasons. Momo has to stay for political reasons

[teal bay]

tama is way better and deserves to be with them if they want a kid on ship.
but personally i dont want her to be on ship cuz i being pirate is risky thing and i dont want her to get hurt so yamato is the best option to join straw hat and carrot might want to go back to Zou so that he can follow the steps of pedro and serve zou

[supple magnet]

It is risky but Yama deserves it and luffy would be carrying out aces will by taking her along

Tama**

[silk acorn]

i would like yamato to join

[last void]

Most people do

Another Zoan and CoC user

[teal bay]

also people say that momo will be very very very strong in future and okay he might become stronger but i dont want to see him on crew either he is afraid to die, cant watch for himself. bull shits and is a walking useless trash as of rn

just gonna say tama >> momo

[ancient vault]

ur entire argument is "i dont like momo" lol

@pastel summit I knew this message of yours would be usefull in the future

[supple magnet]

Momos valid

[teal bay]

ofc i dont like him cuz SH needs to be the strongest crew to get One Piece and they cant do that with a crying uselsss kid who cant even stand for himself until pushed let him stay in wano and learn things and get strong there . i hope he just stays as vivi after time skip

[supple magnet]

Dude Roger became Pirate king with shanks and buggy

[teal bay]

and they both could fight on their own and even tho buggy used to be scared he still would fight and not just cry that i dont wanna die save me please

[supple magnet]

Momo can use a sword to a certain extent and has dragon powers neither shanks nor buggy were anything special from what we’ve seen

[ancient vault]

lol usopp

[tardy dock]

I need some more opinions on this but….Shanks D. Xebec?

[teal nymph]

was shanks in rogers crew during god valley ?

[cedar sinew]

funny how Luffy himself acknowledges Momo and trusts in him but some of the fans can't

[ancient vault]

Ikr

[tardy dock]

Shanks is 39, god valley was 38 years ago

[ancient vault]

Its possible

Idk how it would be important for the story tho. Bb Shanks showdown?

[tardy dock]

Let’s be honest here, momo is weak asf rn but he’s got insane potential

[ancient vault]

Usopp doesnr either until hes pushed. Hes still on the crew

[cedar sinew]

Luffy was as weak as Momo when he was that young

he shows insane resolve and mentality to be a leader and that's what mattesr

[tardy dock]

Kinda like a ace situation? Shanks trying to become the opposite of his father while bb tries to copy Rocks(if he is shank’s dad)

[ancient vault]

I agree tho that I want tama on the ship. I just dont like ur argumenty towards momo

[tardy dock]

Tama on the ship might be a bit too op since she can tame any animal, oda will need to write the story to put her out of the way to give other characters a fight, causing people to start throwing hate at the decision

[cedar sinew]

it's only "op" right now because of smile users

[ancient vault]

yeah

I hope she learns summoning jutsu tho. So she has like a pokemon inventory lmao

[tacit veldt]

Idk man if Tama starts feeding those things to Sea Kings she might as well be an ancestral weapon

[cedar sinew]

@unreal flower only serious messages on this channel please

[cedar sinew]

there might be a limit to the animals that she can control. Like, I don't see her controlling Zunesha

and seakings are a pretty rare find I'd say

you'd have to go to a calm belt and bring them back

[teal bay]

i mean he might have the potential but as of now there are better options for someone to join strawhat crew

[supple magnet]

Like who?

[ornate spindle]

my man Yamato

[teal bay]

pretty understandable also just for a better argument if that is what you were looking for. he is a crybaby and i dont see him using his df powers with how weak he is rn. he might become strong later but as of rn he is not suitable enough for joining the crew also he met her sister after so long i dont think he will leave wano

[supple magnet]

Momo has a way better dynamic with the crew than Yamato or carrot and has more potential to develop

[teal bay]

tama,yamato and carrot are better options than momo

[supple magnet]

Tama is the only one you listed that might be close to momo but momos still better for the reasons I listed

[teal bay]

well ig carrot has better dynamic with crew cuz she has spend more time with them and yamato dynamic can grow with luffy

[ornate spindle]

I find Momo unpleasant, since he's a kid and has all the stereotype of being pervert, meaningless and boring, that's enough Sanji and Brook

[teal bay]

see not just me but him being perverted and a way lot perverted annoys everyone

[ornate spindle]

YES, HE IS JUST A KIDDO

[teal bay]

he was being chased and attacked but was just happy cuz he got some boobs

[autumn vapor]

Momo shogun

[supple magnet]

Momo has a great dynamic with luffy and zoro unlike Yamato’s mediocre dynamic with luffy and has had great development as a leader in wano the pervert gag is annoying but not as annoying as Yamato’s oden gag. The only reason I would have someone else join instead of momo is because Momos character is tied to wano and I don’t see him leaving

[warm narwhal]

Carrots should be the most likely choice, but she hasn’t been in the story for A while so people lose faith

[supple magnet]

Unless she gets up and fights peros I don’t see her joining

[warm narwhal]

Momo place is in wano

[autumn vapor]

Carrot is carrying out Pedro's dream.

[warm narwhal]

Carrot is on the top of my list

[teal bay]

oden gag doesn't annoy anyone except kaido but his pervert gag annoy people in real life and people in anime too for example brook,sanji and even kinnemon

[tranquil mesa]

yeah i figured momo would be the new shogun of wano once the arc ends

[supple magnet]

Not really my point but okay

[warm narwhal]

Yamato and momo should stay in wano though since they read the journal, so they basically are walking spoilers

[tranquil mesa]

kinda like a vivi parallel of luffy being friends with leaders of the important countries

[ornate spindle]

But precisely because of this "Oden Thing" may be the reason he asked to join the Straw Hats and follow the path of Oden.

[autumn vapor]

The Oden gag just seems like her desperation to be free considering how she was bound to her father and Wano her whole life apparently.

[supple magnet]

Also I was saying the oden gag annoyed me more than the pervert gag

[last void]

yeah

[supple magnet]

Okay but momo parallels oden more than Yamato so by your logic wouldn’t it make more sense for momo to join

[autumn vapor]

We have no clue whether Oden wrote about the One Piece in his journal.

[teal bay]

this cuz yamato realtes to oden he acts like that cuz his and oden's life are pretty similar that they want freedom but cant have because of father

[ornate spindle]

Momo doesn't want to be like his father, he just wants his father's dream to be fulfilled

[autumn vapor]

Momo wants to free Wano. Yamato wants to be freed from Wano.

[ornate spindle]

^^

[supple magnet]

That’s a good observation

[tribal salmon]

so yamato df reveal in ch 1016

[ornate spindle]

probably

[autumn vapor]

Oda gonna drag it out imo

[teal bay]

and there is nothing said about Oden writing contents of one piece in journal he might have said somethings about void century and prophecy of joyboy but i dont think he would have left all that in journal

[supple magnet]

I got that but I still think momo is a better character and has better relationships with the crew as well as more potential to grow his powers and grow as a character than Yamato. I still think he won’t join because he has to stay in wano

[tribal salmon]

its oda so

[muted ore]

Anybody know when chp 1016 spoilers drop?

[autumn vapor]

Ig it's usually Wednesday/Thursday for the summaries.

[supple magnet]

Spoilers usually drop Tuesday with detailed summary on Wednesday

[teal bay]

the only reason he got better relationship with crew

1. he is a kid

[ornate spindle]

I would love to see Yamato participating in the Straw Hats as a second combatant, as well as Lucky Roo, Scopper and others, Sanji whether or not he is the cook.

[teal bay]

and then he just have better relation with zoro and luffy cuz they wanna defeat kaido

[ornate spindle]

Nami and Robin don't see the evil in his mind

[supple magnet]

I like the idea but I think it might take away from the monster trio dynamic that everyone loves about the crew

[teal bay]

yess cuz they think he is just a kid if they know how perverted he is i can see him getting thunderbolt tempo and gigantesco mano

[autumn vapor]

Momo spent more time with the crew too. Also pretty much most people who hate Momo, hate him for his perverted nature.

[supple magnet]

Not true he’s better because luffy helps him grow as a leader and zoro helps him train and is a father/older brother figure that helps him learn about the world

[ornate spindle]

Luffy = captain, monster trio = sanji, zoro and yamato

[sand robin]

Tama and Yamato for Mugiwara

[supple magnet]

That ruins the crew dynamic

[teal bay]

his father figure kinnemon got annoyed bcz of his perverted trait

[autumn vapor]

Tama for vassal of Momo

[pseudo citrus]

last minute pre-1016-spoilers theory:
-everyone assume luffy will make his way back up to onigashima, but instead, maybe yamato will be able to knock kaido to the ground
-luffy and yamato take on kaido 2v1
-momo will end up lifting up onigashima himself
-seeing this, yamato will recognize the similarity to oden's execution, and will realize that momo is the one that is oden

[supple magnet]

Again that isn’t relating to anything I said

[sand robin]

1016 will be flashback

[pseudo citrus]

that theory is just overall, not 1016 in particular

[sand robin]

We deserve to see kaido flashback

[ornate spindle]

1016 yamato's sad flashback

[supple magnet]

I like your theory I just hope that Yamato doesn’t play that big of a role against Kaido

[sand robin]

How can momo lift up onigashima ??

[silk acorn]

when are we anticipating spoilers come out

[ornate spindle]

Wasn't it said that Yamato was as strong as calamities?

[teal bay]

people expect a lot from him

[supple magnet]

That theory is mostly based on him having similar powers to Kaido but I don’t see it happening

[sand sail]

Don't ask about spoilers here please

Or talk about them in general

[silk acorn]

Sorry

[sand sail]

We have a channel specifically for it, it'll update when they're out

[pseudo citrus]

I think yamato will basically just stall for luffy, can't imagine them actually damaging kaido

[supple magnet]

Yes I agree

[teal bay]

yamato and luffy vs kaido 2v1

[pseudo citrus]

this was hinted when yamato talked about momo having dragon flames, which kaido was using to lift the island

[sand robin]

I believe kaido will die and momo will take his df, real df

[ornate spindle]

marco vs king?

[teal bay]

when did he use the flames??

[teal bay]

eat that and die cuz again 2 df

[ornate spindle]

punk hazard, he and luffy get away from the hole

[teal bay]

you mean those clouds

[supple magnet]

I’m bout to tell my wack theory so don’t roast me too hard. I think that zunesha will play the role of saving wano from onigashima by lifting it because of its ties to the kozuki clan and it’s going somewhere.

[ornate spindle]

i just remember those clouds

[night jewel]

yes, those clouds are flame clouds

momo can use the same flame clouds as kaido, which will most likely allow him to lift onigashima

[supple magnet]

Momo being able to do that is too big of a power growth in my opinion

[pure raven]

Clearly not to the same extent and level as Kaido but enough to lift Luffy

[ornate spindle]

this is why he should protect wano being the shogun

[warm narwhal]

That Will be Momo awakening

[supple magnet]

That has no connection to what I said

[ornate spindle]

just a joke xD

[night jewel]

I think if he lifts it for an hour then i dont think it would be too big of a power growth, if oda shows us clearly that he cant do it for as long as kaido can then I won't hsve an issue with it

[supple magnet]

But still going from a weak kid to being able to lift an island would be a massive growth in power while other alternatives exist

[warm narwhal]

Lifting it for one minute, he’s already over his father

[supple nimbus]

He lifts it for long enough until someone else can take over, but who?

[night jewel]

He lifts it until the capital can be evacuated for example, no one needs to take over

[supple nimbus]

Oh so Flower Capital's gonna go

[ornate spindle]

yeah, i can't see oden lifting onigashima

[supple nimbus]

Lmao nope, bit too late for that imo

[ornate spindle]

In the OP game, Blackbeard arrives in Onigashima and ends up beating the BM, will that happen?

[warm narwhal]

I’m sticking to my theory that Kaido will get captured by cp0

[ornate spindle]

to help Vegapunk to create the perfect artificial df

[warm narwhal]

Or another scientist that probably would F it up

[supple magnet]

I’m sticking to my theory of big mom killing Kaido

[supple magnet]

I doubt that because I’m pretty sure vegapunk isn’t working with the government because he hid the artificial Kaido fruit from them

[sand robin]

If vegapunk create kaido df, can u imagine how many df is created

[warm narwhal]

But he lied and said it was a failed fruit, so purposely suspended that program

[last void]

I hope Luffy is the one to kill Kaido

[warm narwhal]

They probably have them switch over to focus on the SSG

[ornate spindle]

my theory, IM-sama will arrive in wano and will kill BM and Kaido

[supple magnet]

Nah man it doesn’t make since

[sand robin]

Vegapunk is not failed, momo is proof he success

[supple magnet]

Wow that’s a theory I would never expect

[ornate spindle]

ps: flying

[last void]

How?

[sand robin]

Luffy is murderer and will be jailed

[supple nimbus]

not a fat chance

[warm narwhal]

That’s why I said he’s getting captured and not going to be killed

[supple nimbus]

Nope, it's unstable af, it is a failure by all accounts.

[ornate spindle]

is kinnemon dead?

[last void]

Why can't Oda Just let Luffy kill off a Character just this once?

[supple nimbus]

i hope not, at the same time i hope so

[last void]

Sadly,yes

[supple magnet]

1. Luffy can’t beat Kaido at the moment 2. Luffy doesn’t kill his opponents 3. Other people like big mom cp0 have higher chances of killing Kaido 4. If luffy wins it makes other opponents useless if luffy can beat Kaido

[warm narwhal]

Why people so death hungry, are you guys some masochist

[ornate spindle]

A FVCKING KATANA IN THE spinal column? maybe paraplegic xD

[supple magnet]

Nothing like that it’s just likely that 4 of the scabbards are dead

[warm narwhal]

Of course a good half of the scabrous are dead, if you have followed the story of the seven samurai

[vocal stone]

No spoiler yet?

[last void]

1.He is just knocked out for the Moment
2.There's no other option here.He gotta do it
3.Why would they kill him?
4.He's literally the MC,and no I am not talking about a 1v1

[warm narwhal]

I was talking about why people want Kaido dead so badly

[supple magnet]

1. He lost three times to Kaido 2. Kaido could be captured or killed by someone else 3. I’ve said my theory on big mom already and cpO works with the government to take down Pirates it makes sense why they’d do it 4. It would be fine if it’s not a 1v1

[last void]

My Theory is that he teams up with Yamato and Zoro to Kill Kaido

Oh and most likely Momo

[ornate spindle]

Maybe Shinobu grows Momo with her df

[supple magnet]

How would she do that

[warm narwhal]

Kaido not dying, give up on that. oda doesn’t give his Villains their dreams

[ornate spindle]

With her's df

[supple magnet]

Zoro can’t fight rn and probably can’t be healed fast enough Yamato rn isn’t strong enough to fight Kaido and shouldn’t play a major role and momo really can’t do anything

[ornate spindle]

Chopper feat Marco

[last void]

Well who else do you expect to do the Job?

[supple magnet]

That would almost be cruel taking years of his life like that

[last void]

Luffy alone can't do anything

[ornate spindle]

He jumped 20y to future and he will make anything to save his country

[supple magnet]

Marco is preoccupied and chopper can’t heal that many wounds in time

[supple magnet]

That’s not taking years off his life like rapid aging would tho

[warm narwhal]

9 Shadows, make your list

[supple magnet]

Zoro should drink some milk tho he’d be fine after that lol

[supple magnet]

Luffy is the one who brings the Dawn and his 9 crewmates are the 9 shadows. I’m not sure how it will play out tho but that’s my theory.

Could also be momo and the nine scabbards

[warm narwhal]

The most I see Momo doing is lifting the island when it falls

[supple magnet]

I don’t even see him doing that tbh

[ornate spindle]

Luffy, Kid, Law, Yamato, Momo, XDrake, Hawkins, Marco and Zoro

[teal nymph]

how is he going to pull that off ? i mean he can barely fly himself

[reef nest]

Lawkins?

[cedar sinew]

Her df doesn’t do that

[supple magnet]

How can this prophecy even be taken seriously if toki can’t see the future?

[ornate spindle]

Hawkins believe in his numbers

[supple magnet]

It does it makes things mature rapidly

[lilac mirage]

Cuz oden told her that

[ornate spindle]

Why not?

[cedar sinew]

Only inorganic material

Like rocks

[supple magnet]

Oden can’t see the future either

[warm narwhal]

He’s going to conquer his fear of heights and become his father, or even better or at least slow down the fall

[cedar sinew]

Also aging momo up anyway won’t do anything

[supple magnet]

I agree

[lilac mirage]

They reached the last island, knows about void century and about joy boy, and they also knew that someone will come to wano kuni

[supple magnet]

Ok but that doesn’t explain the whole 9 shadows thing unless laughtale actually has the exact future written all she should know is that someone will bring the Dawn in 20 years

[ornate spindle]

Maybe the fast aging would activate the True potential of his df

[cedar sinew]

lol

[supple magnet]

Training would be the only way to do that

[cedar sinew]

Dfs don’t work like that

[ornate spindle]

He has a artifical df, with lineage factor

Like sanji's brothers and sister

[lilac mirage]

Those 9 shadows could be akazaya members, they also could be not , but as far as I remember it was mentioned that the shadows are the akazaya members

[supple magnet]

They don’t have df just altered dna

[cedar sinew]

Sanjis brothers and sisters are genetically altered

Momo just ate a df

Aging someone isn’t how you unlock full potential of a df

[ornate spindle]

Yes likely the artificial df created by Vegapunk feat Judge

[lilac mirage]

They werent even born ( sanji's bros and sis ) when they got the power, right?

[supple magnet]

They were altered since birth and never ate a fruit

[cedar sinew]

What does that have to do with again momo

Aging

Anyway that’s not how shinobu’s df works

English only here please

[ornate spindle]

Oh, my bad.

[lilac mirage]

The fruit that Momo ate is artificial, it was created by Vegapunk and the Judge, so it uses the same altered DNA that Sanji's brothers and sister have.

[supple magnet]

Please translate from brazilian portuguese: The fruit that Momo ate is artificial, it was created by Vegapunk and the Judge, so it uses the same altered DNA that Sanji's brothers and sister have.

[ornate spindle]

The fruit that Momo ate is artificial, it was created by Vegapunk and the Judge, so it uses the same altered DNA that Sanji's brothers and sister have.

[lilac mirage]

Lol

[snow herald]

The fruit that Momo ate is artificial, it was created by Vegapunk and the Judge, so it uses the same altered DNA that Sanji's brothers and sister have.

[supple magnet]

Is that a rule?

[cedar sinew]

yes

[ornate spindle]

My english is a little rusty, my bad

[supple magnet]

I couldn’t find it on the rules page

[snow herald]

It would be nice if shinobus df can actually age momo somehow.

[cedar sinew]

that would achieve nothing

[snow herald]

I doubt it. But it would be cool. And somehow his adult form is actually pretty damn strong

If his adult form turns out to be as strong as even Kinemon, it wouldn't be useless. He can actually aid in the battlefield

[supple magnet]

It would be cool but without training momo wouldn’t be any stronger

[lilac mirage]

Boney ( something like that ) can age ppl, right?

[ornate spindle]

I cant understand Momo haircut

[sand robin]

Too many fake death and people lust to watching people die

[ornate spindle]

It is a df no?

[lilac mirage]

Yes

[supple magnet]

False she aged marines at sabody

[ornate spindle]

True

[lilac mirage]

She can do both

[sand robin]

Bonney can become baby ?

[supple magnet]

Yes

[snow herald]

From what we've seen, bonney can only affect people. And shinobu only objects

[ornate spindle]

Maybe temporaly?

[supple magnet]

She did it when reacting to law and luffy beat doffy

[supple magnet]

Who knows

[ornate spindle]

Oda knows

[supple magnet]

That’s it tho

[ornate spindle]

What is "tho"? English is not my countrys language

[snow herald]

If the toki toki is out there. That could also be used on momo, potentially

[supple magnet]

It’s just the word though but shortened

[ornate spindle]

I had saw a theory who saids Zoro came from the past, just a crazy theory

[snow herald]

Yo, imagine momo sees hiyori and kinda pervs on her without realising it's actually his sister cos you know, shes older n all. He is kind of a perv

[supple magnet]

I don’t like these kinds of theories

[supple magnet]

That would be nast as hell oda better not do that

[warm narwhal]

I have a theory that aces mom was the previous owner of jewelry Bonney fruit

[ornate spindle]

Can u explain? I would like to listen about it

[warm narwhal]

aces mom had him in her belly for 22 months. Only way that should be able to hold on to a fetus for that long, And not look pregnant because the Marines were looking for pregnant women at that time, is with the power of a devil fruit in which Jewelry Bonnie has.

[ornate spindle]

It wasnt 12 months?

[warm narwhal]

I remember being said 22

[ornate spindle]

Oh, what a warrior mom

[supple magnet]

So do you think she made herself and ace younger to hold him longer?

[ornate spindle]

Maybe make Ace older, 2/3 y.o

[supple magnet]

That would make it come out faster though

[ornate spindle]

Oh, understand now

Cerebral lag

[warm narwhal]

That’s why I believe she is a previous owner of the age changing fruit

Plus both her and Bonnie are from the south blue

[supple magnet]

Good theory

[ornate spindle]

Yeah, hope it is canon

[warm narwhal]

I remember discussing this theory in another server, they dismissed it and said she was able to have a 22 month pregnancy because of the “will of D”