manga-theories

[weak arrow]

Even before the sbs question, seemed like a strong implication it was referring to shanks/buggy. Even knowing Roger’s philosophy that a kid ain’t guilty of his father’s crime (thus hinting shanks/buggy is rock’s son) and also that it was him and Garp that took down Rocks so Garp would also likely know shanks/buggy was Rocks son

[modest skiff]

I think the reason they haven't shown Rock's full image is so that we don't see what color his hair is, revealing who's dad he is

[light pond]

Well linage factor is long and it is well accepted that it is just dna counterpart in one oiece world so i dont know what so bad about saying dna is one peice equivalent of linage factor?

[olive quail]

I mean its also an Oda thing to do

Even if theyre not related to someone he likes to silhouette mysterious characters

[hollow rapids]

My point is basically vegapunk is doing something harder than judge is doing so you can't really say judge is doing something better than vegapunk when he succeeds at something easier

[modest skiff]

It may be well accepted but I don't buy it. Saying it is the one piece equivalent is great. What I am saying is that equating DNA with lineage factor is a mistake IMO. I think lineage factor will work in ways that are seprate from DNA and we can not rely on DNA models to predict technologies regarding lineage factor. This may be a minor point. All I'm saying is we should not limit or theorizing to the limitations of DNA

[light pond]

Ahhh... I am not saying judge is doing something better i am saying that judge had somehow already accomplished it

[modest skiff]

Yeah I'd say at the very least, Vegapunk has his sights set higher than Judge.

Also @light pond another key thing about lineage factor being different from DNA is that you can give a devil fruit to a sword. Can't do that if it is strictly the same as DNA

[pure raven]

Yo Yamato is 2 luffy's tall?

[olive quail]

Well its a fantasy series. Obviously things are more fantastical. But lineage factor still is DNA, its just DNA in a world with superpowers

[olive quail]

More like 1 and a half luffys

[crude abyss]

More like 1.5, luffy's not that short

[modest skiff]

If it is a fantasy series, why is it important it strictly adhere to being a direct model of DNA? That seems contradictory. Lineage Factor is the One Piece equivalent of DNA, but it ain't DNA

[light pond]

Dude this is a fantasy world lol dfs could give dna/linage factor to an object lol

Also its not like oda needs one to one terms irl lol i just dont get whats so bad about equating dna to linage factor

I dont understand why ur so upset about this lol it is not like an average reader would research dna and linage separately and compare their difference lol

It is a layman's term

[modest skiff]

Metal doesn't have DNA. So metal can not use a devil fruit if it relies on DNA. However, if lineage factor is different from DNA, it is entirely possible that metal has "lineage factor" in one piece. So its totally fine. I am not upset, just making an observation since this is the theories channel. Making a minor correction and expanding possibilities

My point is that we can expand our theories rather than limiting ourselves to DNA

[light pond]

It is simple to explain to an average reader

Like when they say whats a linage factor?

You answer well it is like dna

I dont know why ur so oppose to it lol

[modest skiff]

No I'm fine with that. I was just pointing out that since it applies to metal, we can expand it beyond DNA

Sorry if I misrepresented my views 🙂

I think the reason Lineage Factor was introduced so long after the stupid ass elephant sword thing was to confuse us. Nothing makes sense because of that damn sword lol

[errant nova]

It seems pretty obvious it was a direction he decided not to take. And it’s been more so acknowledged as a gag universe wise I feel like

[modest skiff]

Oh really?

Unless Oda specifically says the elephant sword is out, I think its intentional. He's a tricky devil

[light pond]

Funkfreed was not the first object to ate a df that was introduced

[modest skiff]

Oh, i must have forgotten. What was before that?

[light pond]

Lasso from alabasta

We also have bunbuku now in wano

[modest skiff]

Oh thanks I just googled it. See to me that shows that it is VERY intentional by Oda. Thanks for the reference

[light pond]

So we have multiple object df users

And from recent sbs the linage factor of the smile comes from real life animals

So df could carry the linage factor and gave it to the object

Hence giving them life

Like how BM gave souls to object so that means in layman terms it df gaves animal dna to objects

[modest skiff]

Yeah my theory at the moment is that lineage factor in one piece is something that all objects have in common, whether living or not

[amber oar]

lineage factor is pretty much DNA

[modest skiff]

Yeah I think in one piece basically all things have DNA rather than IRL where non-living do not

[frank wharf]

I just came up with a theory involving Joyboy/Poseidon. Specifically about what the sea kings spoke of about Shirahoshi being their leader and awaiting another from a far-off land (the East Blue lol!).

In essence, you'll notice that every single "official" nation in the Grand Line that Luffy has become involved with has pledged themself to him. Drum Island, Alabasta, Skypeia, Water 7, Amazon Lily, Fishman Island, Dressrosa & now Wano (obviously close with Momo).

Has anybody counted the possibility that Joyboy's role is to unite the nations of the grand line and when combined with the sea kings that guard it that becomes a force strong enough to topple the celestial dragons? Seems really legit to me. Like it can't be a coincidence that Luffy keeps drawing the favour of so people who are specifically rulers of nations.

And since poseidon only is born once every 800 years, the prophecy is the time in which poseidon and joyboy exist simultaneously once again.

[queen arrow]

Poseidon is not only every 800 years iirc, it was a smaller time gap

[pure raven]

you're forgetting a major miscalculation

You're implying that Luffy has a major axe to grind with the Celestial dragon or cares about politics in general. Luffy only steps in when they harm his friends which they probably will but Luffy's not gonna be the one to make the call to wage world war. That's much more Dragon's job title and position

[cedar sinew]

Poseidon is born every couple centuries.

Also why are the seakings specifically necessary

[pure raven]

When is 1015 coming out?

[cedar sinew]

Only for their strength? It’s basically told to us that they’re needed for something unique to them

[cedar sinew]

Not the channel to ask but it’ll come out sometime soon

[pure raven]

kk ty

[frank wharf]

Also it's worth noting that the three god weapons are all ships in some form. Pluton is a war ship constructed at Water 7, Poseidon is the ability to control the sea kings which Joyboy's stated the purpose of was to pull the big wooden ship to the surface to fulfill a purpose and Uranus we don't currently know but there was another non-red Poneglyph in Wano that Brook found which may hold the information to what it is, likely another vessel of sorts.

To me this sort of reinforces the idea that Joyboy and Poseidon's goal is to build some sort of grand fleet

[frank wharf]

of course but Roger and Oden were the exact same way and upon reaching laugh tale they clearly both cared about the prophecy a great deal and the importance of completing it.

I think the Joyboy of past failed in some regard and left behind laugh tale to make sure whoever was able to reach it would be one such as himself and would be able to succeed in his place. We're told that Joyboy was meant to return to fishman island and carry the ship to the surface with the poseidon of 800 years ago but he never did and thus the ship sits in wait on the ocean 800 years later

The reason Roger was not able to carry out this prophecy was because 1) Shirahoshi was not matured yet and 2) he was dying.

[pure raven]

Ohara had a similar theory but was basically yours and much more fleshed out

[terse plover]

This supports what you said. Nice theory!

[frank wharf]

nice

[pure raven]

there's theories that joyboy was a giant

[split hornet]

Like the seakings said too, this time everything will go well or something

[pure raven]

and the giant strawhat was his

[split hornet]

Maybe traitors amongst the D clan

[oak mural]

ye like teach /rocks ?

[split hornet]

Ye cuz Whitebeards flashback, when Roger said it's a story from long time ago and then after he said it's definitely not you teach

But idk

[oak mural]

yup

[split hornet]

Makes me also think about law and his ultimate power, that which doflamingo mentioned

[oak mural]

bb is like the d who betrayed the old kingdom 800 yrs ago

[sullen path]

how long till 1015 comes out guys? :/

[modest skiff]

This is why it keeps looking like it involves other planets. Each planet has its own orbit and they only all line up every (number of years)

Perhaps if it was every 160, every 100 and every 400 years, you would only get all 3 lined up every 800 years. Or something like that. @split hornet my thought is that Im betrayed joyboy

[warm hollow]

Boys hear me out

Zoro is going to go blind by the end of one piece

We know Oda takes inspiration for Buddhism, right? Well lemme tell you about the Daruma Dolls.

When purchased, the figure's eyes are both blank white. A user will then select a goal or wish and paint in the left eye of the figure's two eyes with Chinese or Japanese ink. Once the desired goal is achieved, the right eye is filled in.[1]

So we can assume that over the timeskip Zoro became a giant Daruma Doll.

Which means he will "paint" his right eye when he becomes the strongest swordsman. Meaning he will go blind

[split hornet]

How so

[modest skiff]

160, 320, 480, 640, 800
100, 200, 300, 400, 500, 600, 700, 800
400, 800

If each of these corresponded to one of the ancient weapons, it would mean the ancient weapons show up every so often, but you only get all 3 every 800 years

[warm hollow]

Yeah but Roger was Joyboy so that's wrong

[modest skiff]

We don't know that :p

[cedar sinew]

roger is actually implied to not be joyboy

[warm hollow]

Might as well assume it at this point

[cedar sinew]

he couldn't find one piece and he couldn't fufill the promise

[modest skiff]

If Roger says he wanted to meet Joyboy, he is probably not joyboy

[cedar sinew]

he was too late for his time.

[warm hollow]

??? How does he know voat?

[cedar sinew]

because he was born with it?

[warm hollow]

He was too early

[cedar sinew]

yeah mb meant to say too early

having voat doesn't mean you're joyboy

[warm hollow]

That could also be because poseidon wasn't born yet

[modest skiff]

Joyboy just doesn't make sense to be Roger, there is direct contradiction all over the place

[cedar sinew]

yes poseidon wasn't born

and he couldnt fufill the promise

that's the point?

[pastel summit]

roger couldn't fulfil joyboy's promise, so he is not joyboy

[warm hollow]

[pastel summit]

The person who would fulfil joyboy's will would be the person who becomes joyboy.

[modest skiff]

Maybe, or Joyboy could just be someone who made a promise

[warm hollow]

Fair enough but then how is beating kaido related to that?

[cedar sinew]

toki already met roger

[pastel summit]

It's not?

[warm hollow]

Assuming kaido said "you couldn't become joyboy" cause luffy couldn't beat him

[pastel summit]

but Luffy failing against Kaido means he couldn't become joyboy.

[cedar sinew]

it's also related to the dawn. Everything in the flashback and the prophecy just indicates to someone from the future being joyboy

[pastel summit]

because kaido assumes Luffy is dead now. and if Luffy is dead, he can't go on to become joyboy.

[warm hollow]

Well alright, Zoro is still going blind though 🚶

[cedar sinew]

[pastel summit]

this also doesn't make sense, because pluton isn't something that is "reborn" it is something that exists. It's not sentient or reborn. It's a ship that was built and its location is unknown.

[warm hollow]

I assumed they just confused it with poseidon

[pastel summit]

as far as we know, poseidon is the only one that ever gets reborn.

[cedar sinew]

poseidon and joyboy need to be the only one that aligns

at least it's heavily implied

because of what the seakings said

[modest skiff]

True, but perhaps it can only be used every so and so time. Or perhaps Joyboy is on a timer and some of the weapons are too, but not others. Who knows. What we do know is that there is some level of timing involved. Everything past that is speculation

[warm hollow]

Oh nevermind I was wrong again

[pastel summit]

the only timing is poseidon.

[cedar sinew]

they only say two sovereigns need to meet. If it was all 3 ancient weapons + joyboy then they would've included them

[pastel summit]

and we don't know how often poseidon is reborn.

[warm hollow]

Every few centuries

[modest skiff]

Makes sense, so lets just say joyboy + poseiden. But then what is the second person? What would they need?

[warm hollow]

Voat

Wod

[cedar sinew]

second person?

the second sovereign you mean?

[modest skiff]

maybe, not convinced of that yet. I thought the seakings talk about poseiden and then the other sov, yeah

[cedar sinew]

the other one IS joyboy

[warm hollow]

^

[cedar sinew]

it's poseidon + joyboy

[modest skiff]

Never said as such, but perhaps

[cedar sinew]

I did a small write up on this yesterday, lemme try to find it

[modest skiff]

Great, I'd love to read it

A bit of support for the idea that its joyboy+poseiden is the cute detail that Luffy promises to take shirahoshi on an adventure

[warm hollow]

This?

[cedar sinew]

ye, here's the link
#manga-theories message

[frank wharf]

it’s also important that Shirohoshi wants to see a forest, specifically a forest. that feels intentional by Oda. i feel as though Raftel is a Forest Island

[cedar sinew]

it was more of me trying to explain the connection between PK and Joyboy but I include the sovereign prophecy as a part of the explanation

[frank wharf]

honestly what if we’re all just wrong and next chapter is kaido killing the rest of the straw hats and that’s the end of the series

[cedar sinew]

ocean and forests/mountains are like the two biggest landscapes. Doesn't feel that specific to me

[modest skiff]

I'm not seeing why "my son" implies luffy is roger was never joyboy to begin with. Unless you are saying finding the one piece is distinct

[cedar sinew]

this is roger's comment

not the son part

[ancient vault]

Mai

[modest skiff]

Someone being born to surpass doesn't imply that person is joyboy though

[cedar sinew]

it does though

roger couldn't be joyboy

but luffy will

[pastel summit]

tbh, the main thing that implies luffy is joyboy outside of obvious he is the MC, is the comment about the whales.

[ancient vault]

What do you think of the theory that Kaido stationed in wano because he was awaitikg JoyBoy to beat him?

[cedar sinew]

that was the context because the part right before talked about the whole joyboy shiz

[modest skiff]

Sorry if I am missing something, but I'm really not seeing the connection.

[frank wharf]

i think the most intriguing thing for me rn is Oda’s comment in the most recent SBS volume where someone mentions Roger and Rayleigh held a baby on board their ship at some point and then he did the “hehe ignore that that’s not important!” thing. no clue who it could have been tbh.

[cedar sinew]

okay I'll go find the panel

[modest skiff]

What about whales?

[pastel summit]

ye. that one.

[ancient vault]

Brook is JoyBoy

[pastel summit]

and we see the whales excited immediately after FMI, where Luffy and Shirahoshi meet.

[ancient vault]

can u post it?

[abstract tangle]

what op theory's aged like milk?

[cedar sinew]

this shows roger is too early. And can't do anything. It also talks about two sovereigns. Then Roger's comment right after talks about how "someone will come and surpass us" aka "someone will come and become joyboy which I couldn't become"

it's referring directly to joyboy and the prophecy

[modest skiff]

What's FMI? This does make sense to me though. Mentioning the whales makes it seem heavily implied SOMEONE from whale turf was born

[pastel summit]

there's also Roger basically saying he never found One Piece as well.

[cedar sinew]

which matches up with the dawn and the new generation, and the 20 years thing by Oda, and just Luffy in general

yeah and being the PK, Luffy will find one piece

all those things are interconnected

[ancient vault]

Doubt momo is joyboy either

[pastel summit]

so One Piece is connected to Joyboy, is connected to becoming PK, is connected to a lot of other things.

[warm hollow]

[cedar sinew]

I don't really know what this theory is tbh.
I'll read it if you have a link and if it's not super long

[burnt tapir]

What if joyboy and PK are different. Joyboy means having a responsibility/position of power. Limiting your freedom which is kinda against luffy's whole thing

[warm hollow]

That's it. That's the theory.

[pastel summit]

I think that's really it. People think Kaido was waiting for joyboy for some reason, and he knew joyboy would have to come to Wano eventually, so he waited there.

[modest skiff]

If I may: one of the things that makes this theory feel unlikely is how clear it somewhat is, this early on. Don’t think Oda would leave the answer so obvious this early

[cedar sinew]

what does that even mean though. Kaido is some gatekeeper waiting to beat joyboy?

[pastel summit]

yeah I think that's the implication. Which I heavily doubt is the case.

[cedar sinew]

when he wants to be the pk and essentially be joyboy as well

and find one piece

• ancient weapons

[ancient vault]

Oh I've just seen someone say it and "call it a theory". Idk if someone has written out yet but Im assuming theyre saying he found out about joyboy coming to wano and occupied wano so when Joy Boy arrives he fights him

[modest skiff]

If Joyboy helps free wano, Kaido taking over Wano means he gets to be beaten by Joyboy. So the entire thing is just to find someone to beat him

[warm hollow]

Tekkings latest video is basically on this theory

[cedar sinew]

he's waiting in wano so he can produce weapons, grow his army, and find the one piece.
I think that's just it. Not sure how he knows about joyboy, but not surprising considering he's a yonko.

[pastel summit]

I think more than anything, it means Kaido has knowledge on joyboy through some way. and it wouldn't be FMI, because I doubt Kaido cares about the promise with the fishmen. So it's either Laugh Tale which is a big thonk, or there's some other bit of knowledge that we don't have and likely roger also didn't have.

[modest skiff]

I think it’s possible he learned about Joyboy after taking over Wano and has been waiting

[ancient vault]

Rocks

[pastel summit]

yeah which still means xebec got it from somewhere too

[ancient vault]

Tho i wonder why wb and bm dont know or didnt care

[cedar sinew]

tbh the FMI poneglyph basically says nothing as far as we know. The seaking prophecy and roger's comments on laugh tale are much more important

[pastel summit]

and was able to parse it.

[cedar sinew]

by nothing I mean nothing important to kaido or the one piece

[ancient vault]

I think Rocks really might have figured it all out

[modest skiff]

I honestly think most major pirates want to overthrow the celestial dragons. It’s all about freedom. Kaido could just hate them

[modest skiff]

I think rocks found a way to kill celestial dragons but it would have killed tons of innocent people and that’s why roger and garp teamed up

[ancient vault]

Kaido doesnt care about them. He doesnt have any ideological hate against them. Theyre just ik his way of conquering the world

[frank wharf]

i can’t post pictures so no i can’t @ancient vault

[ancient vault]

!pics

[lone hedge]

Get a role (pirate/revo/marine/civilian) in #old-role-info to be able to post pictures!

[pastel summit]

yeah. The only 2 mentions of joyboy are FMI and Laugh Tale. At least direct historical references. So either we have to assume someone else made it to Laugh Tale before Roger, one of Roger's crew spilt the details on what was on Laugh Tale, or there's another resource out there. one which I do not think Roger found, because he kinda rushed to just get to laugh tale.

[cedar sinew]

idk about rocks because roger was the first one to know all about the VC and rocks disbanded way before that

[modest skiff]

I see no reason to assume other info isn’t out there

[ancient vault]

I said this in my rocks hellhound theory but I feel like Rocks didnt tell anyone his business

he just forced everyone to come along

[covert hazel]

Whitebeard also mentioned to BB 'you weren't the one he [Rodger] was talking about' right?

[modest skiff]

Same I think it’s possible Kaido overheard rocks talk about Joyboy

[pastel summit]

Well, it depends on what you believe. When Rayleigh said he knew the whole history, was he telling the truth? Did he only think he knew the whole history? Or is there missing info? In which case, and I have been shilling this for a while, Laugh Tale is a misdirect.

[cedar sinew]

I'm pretty confident roger + the crew knew teh full history

at face value

[ancient vault]

GOTOTHEMOON 🚀

[pastel summit]

It's not a "funny story", it's only part of the whole thing. Which is hinted by Rayleigh also saying they were too hasty and robin could arrive at a different answer.

[cedar sinew]

what do you mean part of the whole thing

[ancient vault]

except for buggy and shanks. They were scammed

Maybe there was sth on god valley?

[cedar sinew]

you can take "arrive at a diff conclusion" as equivalent to "we were too early but you might not be"

[pastel summit]

Okay, so Kaido had to get information about Joyboy from somewhere, right? If we're ruling out Laugh Tale from how Kaido knows about Joyboy, it means there's another resource out there that mentions him in some way, and in a significant enough way that Kaido would want to "wait" for them, or at least anticipates meeting/becoming joyboy.

[ancient vault]

god valley???

[pastel summit]

and I think that additional info may not be info that roger's crew found.

[modest skiff]

Why couldn't Rocks have found info, tried to keep it from Kaido, but Kaido got bits and pieces?

[ancient vault]

Idk it sounds like a fit but since god valley was gone they hsd to go to laugh tale?

[pastel summit]

rocks or kaido it doesn't matter who found it. The point is that there is some additional info

[cedar sinew]

I think he partly knows about it from a rio poneglyph or another informational poneglyph

which could've happened from rocks crew or afterwards

[modest skiff]

I disagree that there is info that rocks had beyond laugh tale. Or at least I see zero indication of that

[frank wharf]

@ancient vault ok there you go

[ancient vault]

Ohhhh I remember that

[cedar sinew]

theres info about joyboy not in laughtale though

[trim reef]

Rocks D. buggy

[cedar sinew]

so why can't there be other ones

[ancient vault]

Ppl made rocks theories on that panel

[modest skiff]

Well what I mean is info other than what someone would find on their way to the one piece. Roger found all glyphs

[cedar sinew]

also, there are rio poneglyphs scattered around the world. Roger just found all of em and got the FULL story. Kaido most likely only knows the partial storry

[pastel summit]

I'm not saying there aren't others??? I am literally saying there are others. I'm just saying that roger himself may not have necessarily found that info.

[frank wharf]

i mean i think Oda has deliberately kept Shanks and Buggy’s surnames a secret for this many chapters for a reason.

[pastel summit]

we don't know that roger found them all. We know he found some.

[modest skiff]

Right, Kaido could have found other info glyphs. We don't know if the other glyphs might have joyboy info

[cedar sinew]

you don't think roger found every rio poneglphy???

[ancient vault]

There are 2 locations known to us tat have info about Joyboy:
FMI and Laugh Tale
We can rule out both for Kaido

[modest skiff]

No they specifically say he found all of them, Choc

[pastel summit]

When is that stated?

[modest skiff]

I have absolutely no idea

[frank wharf]

found every RED poneglyph and a significant amount of regular ones

[modest skiff]

I could have sworn they were very clear he found all the regular ones. Maybe I am wrong

[cedar sinew]

don't think it's directly stated but it's just heavily implied.
Ray says they learned the full history.
Robin says that's only possible by connecting the rio poneglyphs

[pastel summit]

We don't know how many regular ones he found. There was one on the ocean floor that jinbei only recent found, do we know roger found that one? Do we know it's relevant or not? There's the one robin found alone in that jungle, we don't know if he found that one either.

[modest skiff]

I just can't imagine stopping the journey before finding all of them. That seems crazy

[cedar sinew]

but i guess you said you think ray is lying lol

[pastel summit]

I'm not saying ray is lying.

[cedar sinew]

or misinformed

[pastel summit]

He just may not know that he doesn't have the full story.

[modest skiff]

If you need all the rio to get the whole story and Roger got the whole story, I feel like that's it

[modest skiff]

I mean this feels like "we don't know what we don't know", since this could be used to justify most things

[ancient vault]

U dont tho

[modest skiff]

What if there are 4 One Pieces? What if we only know of 1 so far? Could use that for anything

[ancient vault]

When u reach laugh tale u find out everything

[warm hollow]

Robin wants to know the real history so she needs to find every poneglyph

[pastel summit]

I think given that Roger himself couldn't actually read them, and the person who could, Oden, was only with them for 1 year, I do not think they necessarily found out everything.

[ancient vault]

real history is all on laugh tsle

[frank wharf]

wasnt there one on Ohara that got blown to shit?

[modest skiff]

To me it is as simple as them knowing the full story and all glyphs being necessary for that

[warm hollow]

Have you seen it?

[pastel summit]

as far as roger was aware, he only needed to find the red poneglyphs, so he may not have cared as much about knowing what was on the regular ones.

[ancient vault]

theyre indestructible. WG probably stole them or sth

or it sunk to the sea grounds

[frank wharf]

it’s literally said that on that day roger and his crew discovered the secret of the void century so yes it’s on laugh tale

[warm hollow]

Robin doesn't know where the real history might be so she needs to read every poneglyph to be sure

[modest skiff]

Since Wano can carve them, wonder how they do it

[cedar sinew]

idk dude. No reason for it to be a misdirect

[warm hollow]

Everything? Are you 100% sure?

[frank wharf]

sure, Robin doesn’t know, but we do. it’s on laugh tale.

[cedar sinew]

it's just oda practically stating rogers crew were the only ones to know the VC

[ancient vault]

yes oden ssid everything

[frank wharf]

yes. it’s literally said.

[cedar sinew]

read the panel i posted

"entire truth of the world"

[trim reef]

Do you guys think the mountain gods will return? No way oda showed that for no reason in an already long flashback. That might be what momo is hearing

[cedar sinew]

no

mountain god is dead

[warm hollow]

Oh oden said that didn't he

[trim reef]

No he isnt he got stitched up

[frank wharf]

the biggest creatures we’ve seen in one piece are the ones we saw the shadow of beyond Thriller Bark and just got not explanation for it

[warm hollow]

Well Robin still doesn't know so she still gonna go after all the poneglyph

[trim reef]

And lil piggy is alive too

[cedar sinew]

oh is it

[ancient vault]

thats wrong lol

[cedar sinew]

why would it return though

[warm hollow]

Besides on that day they found the truth can also mean that they found it because they already knew a lot from the other poneglyph

[sand sail]

Zunesha is significantly bigger than the Thriller Bark shadows, as we saw them

[cedar sinew]

and why is it relevant to the current situation

[trim reef]

To save wano like they said in the flashback

[modest skiff]

Because then Luffy can ride it, which is always awesome?

[ancient vault]

cause oda is a pussy and doesnt kill

[cedar sinew]

luffy can ride it in the ocean?

[modest skiff]

Luffy riding that thing back into battle would be great in my book

[ancient vault]

how? he would grt crushed by onig

[frank wharf]

No way man. Thriller Bark is the size of a small country and they fucking DWARFED it.

[trim reef]

Idk i don't have a proper theory but i dont think oda would add them for no reason in a flashback of all things and specifically call them wanos gods

[sand sail]

Yeah, so does Zunesha, and Zunesha reaches into the clouds

[cedar sinew]

Well it did have a reason

[sand sail]

Zunesha's top would be above where those are, and it also dwarfs the island on its back, which is bigger than Thriller Bark was lol

[cedar sinew]

1. show oden's strength
2. denjiro callback 20 years later
3. myth/tradition? (not sure about this one)

[modest skiff]

Zunesha is unbelievably large lol

[frank wharf]

even so there’s only one zunesha and a whole group of these mfers

[cedar sinew]

also spurs kinemom and otsuru relationship

[trim reef]

One piece does has a ton of perspective errors anyway, i wouldn't put too much stock into sizing

[sand sail]

We actually don't know if that's a group or just one person

[modest skiff]

where are they?? how do you hide these things?? lmao

[sand sail]

That could have even been Zunesha early on in the series for all we know

We also don't know if there's only one Zunesha, we just know it's the only one we've gotten

Not like people would be able to just find them lol

[modest skiff]

Depending on how you look at this, this could be a 4 legged creature

[frank wharf]

i think the red is very clearly meant to indicate eyes of some sort

their shape is kind of similar to Imu when you think about it

[cedar sinew]

important to note that they're shadows

[modest skiff]

Since this is One Piece, it could have eyes on its leg, lmao

[cedar sinew]

imu?
the only similarity is that they're both black.

[young rivet]

im ngl

[modest skiff]

the slantedness and relative position of eyes is similar

[young rivet]

i opened this chat to that and that was some of the wildest shit to open this chat to

[modest skiff]

But my honest estimation is that those 3 objects are actually legs

[ancient vault]

how tf

[cedar sinew]

eyes being at the top of someone's body hmmm

[covert hazel]

Sanjun Wolf is pretty big too but nowhere near Zunisha

[ancient vault]

fun comparison

[modest skiff]

Appears to disappear into clouds. No real way to know the height. And this angle would hide 1 leg behind another

[ancient vault]

less than 200m and thousands of metrrs

bro there are eyes

[modest skiff]

I suppose to me, not only could it not be eyes, even if it were eyes, nothing in one piece makes me think "something couldn't have eyes on its legs"

[ancient vault]

[modest skiff]

yeah i mean either way we have essentially zero reason to think anything regarding those, so may as well consider them really big carrots

Its kinda like the bridge, we have no reason to think of anywhere it could possibly be going to because we've been given zero info

[frank wharf]

i think the biggest mystery in the wano cast is toki

like who is she really. no way her real name is toki, she has the toki toki no mi that must just be a made up name.

[modest skiff]

If it isn't her name, it is crazy she never told oden her name

[cedar sinew]

Someone from the void century who was sent to help fufil the prophecy

[frank wharf]

maybe she did and it was one of the things that shocked momo in the journal he read

[cedar sinew]

oda likes to pun a lot. Her name might really just be toki lol

[modest skiff]

pretty amazing fruit to happen to have though

[frank wharf]

imagine she’s actually a Monkey D. from 800 years ago

also i’m very curious about one thing in particular, Corazon tells Law to never tell people his name is Trafalgar D. Water Law because people knowing you have the will of D puts you in incredible danger.

Meanwhile: Monkey D. Garp of the Navy

[cedar sinew]

but the think is she's named

amatsuki

if she was a D or some other clan Oda would've left her as "Toki"

[modest skiff]

I wonder why Toki didn’t tell roger’s crew about the void century lol

[frank wharf]

if she left during everyone fleeing

and joyboy went on to make laugh tale, and she went 800 years into the future, idk if she’d know about it

[cedar sinew]

probably because

1. she left during it
2. she had limited knowledge. Doesn't seem like she knows joyboy either so it matches up

[modest skiff]

But wouldn’t she be like “hey so a bunch of people were gonna take over the world, what happened with all that?”

[cedar sinew]

it's kind of hard to piece everything together if you're not part of the d clan or high up in the allied govts. Which Toki wasn't

[frank wharf]

why was she searching through the future then for joyboy

[cedar sinew]

she could've mentioned it but was offscreened

[pastel summit]

I'm sure she knows of joyboy. maybe he wasn't known as joyboy though.

could be like, a post-mortem title.

[cedar sinew]

yeah maybe.

[cedar sinew]

probably instructed to do so

[pastel summit]

really depends. It's very messy. Like, if "800 years ago" is literal, and it was literally 800 years ago when void century ended, and toki was born literally 800 years prior to when she met oden, then it'd mean she lived in the void century to some degree, and jumped out of it before it ended.

[frank wharf]

i think the giants probably have Uranus built and use it to defend their island in some way. Wano is safe from the world government despite not being apart of it because their terrain is extremely hard to penetrate etc.

Elbaph as we see in Big Mom’s backstory is just an island. You can just sail up to it and away. Yet how are they not in the world government and haven’t been obliterated? They’re referred to by the government as the strongest nation in the world. They’re clearly impossible to fuck with.

[pastel summit]

or if "800 years ago" is just an indicator of the end of the void century, and she was born literally when it ended, then was sent on a mission of sorts afterwards, then she could only have limited info about it.

yeah because they are giants. They are one of the strongest warrior nations, if not outright THE strongest.

[frank wharf]

it fits too because Poseidon is needed to pilot the arc, Water 7 is the only shipbuilding nation capable of constructing Pluton and Uranus only being pilotable by giants would make them all unique and important .

otherwise why would the government have such specific interest in Pluton? because it’s the only one you can steal and use

[pastel summit]

they didn't really

it was spandam who brought it up and wanted it. gorosei didn't really seem that interested in actually having the weapon.

[frank wharf]

it makes sense the elders don’t want the weapon i’m sure they’re more interested in stopping others from having it because the prophecy is a threat to them

[modest skiff]

I think something prevents the world government from destroying it

[frank wharf]

exactly. also keep in mind that before roger’s era the world’s strongest power on the seas was the giant pirates until Dorry and Broggy stopped. 2 giants swept the entirety of enies lobby with ease. Hajrudin wasn’t even on the giant pirates and was almost as strong as Luffy even without Haki or a Fruit or anything.

i’m sure on elbaph we will be introduced to giants who can use haki and they’ll be terrifying

[modest skiff]

Yeah

I’m just so stoked for Elbaf lol

[pastel summit]

Yeah. So they don't need Uranus to protect themselves lol. They are strong on their own without relying on an ancient weapon.

[frank wharf]

I think Uranus was likely the ship of the Giant Pirates

[pastel summit]

I doubt it's going to be a ship.

[frank wharf]

that’s my going theory at least. how else were they so unopposed by even the world government . also why wouldn’t it be a ship? the other two are ships in some way.

[keen portal]

What

[pastel summit]

only 1 of the other 2 is a ship. and you literally just said it.

[frank wharf]

poseidon isn’t a ship but is used to move a ship in the prophecy

[pastel summit]

how else were they so unopposed by even the world government
exactly. also keep in mind that before roger’s era the world’s strongest power on the seas was the giant pirates until Dorry and Broggy stopped. 2 giants swept the entirety of enies lobby with ease. Hajrudin wasn’t even on the giant pirates and was almost as strong as Luffy even without Haki or a Fruit or anything.

[frank wharf]

the purpose of poseidon is to pull a ship. pluton is a ship. clearly they’re vessels needed for something.

i don’t see why uranus wouldn’t be the same in some other unique way.

[pastel summit]

except you said it is a ship, not related to a ship. big difference. Poseidon isn't a ship, there is just a promise, not a prophecy, that relates to it being used to pull a ship.

neither poseidon nor its power is related to ships. There is just a promise that relates to it. Which has nothing to do with it by itself. Without the promise, its power doesn't change.

[keen portal]

Pulling the Noah is one purpose the Poseidon can be used for. I don't imagine it was the primary purpose of Poseidon when it was formed/birthed

[frank wharf]

right but it’s still a power needed for a specific vessel . uranus might not be a ship but it will likely be important for a vessel of sorts, if not one itself.

[pastel summit]

yes, but that's not related to the power itself.

That's someone asking the power to be used in relation to a ship. That doesn't make it "a ship in some way"

[timber prawn]

I wonder if the Voice of All Things is what let Luffy hear the Merry during Enies Lobby. Especially considering he can how communicate with Momo and people across water

[pure raven]

I dont wanna lie
This was kinda boring chapter lmao
I expected more

[sonic crescent]

zeus powered climitact tho

[bold gull]

if BM is knocked out will all of the souls she controls return to their legitimate owner?

[pure raven]

How you mean knocked out? Like when dino dude hit her?

[bold gull]

she was fine after that.... she just decided to take a nap

also she said to marco that she didn't have enough souls to play with him...

[pure raven]

Hmm intressting

[little mortar]

chopper using haki (lol)

[bold gull]

also her ship is not singing when marco drops it at the ocean

[pure raven]

Lmao

WAIT
Why isnt marco healing zoro ? Cant his flames heal people

[cedar sinew]

theyre not very effective

short term

[pure raven]

Really? Damn

[cedar sinew]

also Marco is pretty occupied

[pure raven]

What was he doing?

[bold gull]

also marco doesn't care about zoro

[pure raven]

Still fighting king?

[teal nymph]

so it is law's crew after all the theories

[bold gull]

so when people react to luffy being alive we see a bunch of happy people and who's who and king... are they relieved too?

[bold gull]

finally doing something... damn shlackkers

[cerulean thistle]

And here i am hoping next chapter will reveal yamato's df

[cedar sinew]

no

annoyed face

and king always looks like this

[bold gull]

king looks a bit worried

[cedar sinew]

no he doesn't lol. They're shown to show the full perspective of the announcement

[pure raven]

U a troll man

[bold gull]

lol jokes aside why adding just the 2 of them in that sequence of panels?

[errant nova]

Bro this chapter confirmed all the best theories here. Sanji vs Queen, Polar Tang, Luffy speaking to momo. So fuckin dope lol

[cedar sinew]

they're pretty evenly distributed. Bit of everyone

[bold gull]

kinemon being still alive

[pure raven]

dude having some hard time

[keen portal]

While disproving the absolute pepega ones.

1. Luffy turns water into rubber
2. Shanks saves luffy from the water

[pure raven]

king knows luffy gonna get L again

[bold gull]

wano is a turtle

[warm field]

Luffy coated his brain with CoC to broadcast his inner thoughts

[toxic mural]

but little he knows about Luffy

[pure raven]

Good point, but voice of all things became telepathy now...

[near heron]

Thats kinda how its always been tho. Zou spoke to momo and luffy

[pure raven]

I really wonder where oda will take this
As it is now i do not like the telephaty thing from human to human

[toxic mural]

I won't call it fighting as Macro himself didn't intend to fight, just keeping him busy so he doesn't go after the strawhats

[errant nova]

If you think of it as branched off of advanced observation haki and future sight it’s easier to rationalize lol

[pure raven]

Yeah but zou speak antic languages, and Momo, luffy and Shiraoshi can hear that
We're not talking about speaking to jean bart haha

[light pond]

In all fairness Law's crew didnt actually hear what luffy was saying they feel like he was calling them

[toxic mural]

I think it's more to a spirit to another, or you can call it the same thing with Roger and Oden, but this time Luffy is most likely the JoyBoy

[pure raven]

I agree

[light pond]

I think Momo will be the one who will fly luffy up to onigashima

[pure raven]

Nah but if it was just "momo" we were like "oh okay antic connection bullshit" etc
But the hearts randoms .....

[light pond]

Now that they both fell off onigashima

[pure raven]

and shinobu ?

[toxic mural]

didn't shinbou do some sort of Jutsu?

[light pond]

Yes but what i am saying is I feel like momo will be luffy's ride back up

[pure raven]

Her devil fruit

[bold gull]

well onigashima is supposed to fall too in the near future anyway

[light pond]

Thats her df he rots the rock

[toxic mural]

yeah I know, but she did something, but we cant tell what it is

[light pond]

Well momo will be luffy's ride back up then he will use the flame clouds to bring onigashima backup

[pure raven]

I think it's useless now, when luffy will be healed he can come back himself, and for me they just will met to the capital at the end

[light pond]

She rots the rock

[errant nova]

Just thinking through it some more. Kaido was cognizant of luffy’s “glare” in that state, likely derivative of his conquerors haki. It now almost seems like an evolved combination of conquerors and advanced observation that luffy has instinctively put together

[pure raven]

I dont think so

This would require some serious incident so that momo can ,,awaken" his fruit and suddenly controll it right?

So far this hasnt happend with all the people getting stabbed around him etc.

Only catalyst i can see where momo ,,awakens" his fruit is when the island falls down

What do yall think

[pure raven]

She made rot the rock to fall (?)

[light pond]

Not useless if luffy wants to preserve his stamina

[toxic mural]

oh you are right

[errant nova]

Luffy will eat the entire meat reserves of the polar tang and bounce back

[pure raven]

As final dressrosa, i see, why not

[light pond]

Momo is falling down now from onigashima now is the moment for him to overcome his fear of heights and learn to fly we saw he is capable of flying back in ounk hazard

[bold gull]

shinobu df is highly underestimated... if she awaken it she can destroy onigashima. or even the entire world

[toxic mural]

I'm mostly excited for what Oda will make Kid do

I mean it seems nothing happened to the 1v1 it's like they just were chatting till Law showed up

[light pond]

Kid's COC could come to play in his fight with BM

[pure raven]

I hope, but he even don't know how to have a powerful "ryuo" (in wano way, not "general term of haki discuss" pliz)

Oda just say he will explain his df near, for me he will have a secret magnetic technique and some combo with law

[light pond]

Well he could awaken it in dire situation or he could have CoC clash with BM

[toxic mural]

Yeah I guess that's the deal, it sounded like Oda didn't want to reveal Kid's abilities/potentials for some reason

[pure raven]

The homies can do the first part of the battle also

[light pond]

Unless law teleports them instantly elsewhere

Hera seems to be the most dangerous homie now

[pure raven]

Lol, Good point indeed

Hera vs zeus

[light pond]

Her attitude is akin to BM like she has bloodlust

[toxic mural]

I do believe he controls his CoC perfectly fine like Luffy, otherwise Kaido wouldn't have mentioned I suppose? But I wouldn't be surprised if he coats himself with CoC

[light pond]

Nami and Usopp going to the live floor hmm seems like all SHs are gathering again in the live floor

[pure raven]

Wait kaido mentioned kid having coc?

[light pond]

Yes in act 1

[toxic mural]

Yes already did in act 1

[pure raven]

When he defeat luffy

Ohh damn

I do be wondering how strong it is

And if it is similar to luffys.. i wonder how he learned it?

Unless he trained with someone like rayleigh i would find it strange if its as strong as luffys coc

Right?

Law will play a part too i guess, but i don't really see a huge power up like that
Real point is : Did Big mom will be beat by them ?

[toxic mural]

If luffy realized Kaido's trick then I suppose it's common sense to Kid realizing it too, considering he had plenty time while luffy had short time

[light pond]

He has COC but if he can use it like a coating is not yet known

[toxic mural]

Well Kid were savage between the 2 years, it didn't say he Clashed with Shanks but mostly he did otherwise he wouldn't hold grudge on Shanks

[pure raven]

Shanks took his arm

[toxic mural]

Haki's potentials expand in difficult situations

[pure raven]

Wouldnt it still be strange if he can control his haki on a similar level as luffy?

[pure raven]

He already say he is surprised by the coa of luffy

[toxic mural]

Could be even better, Oda always tried to give Kid the upper hand

[pure raven]

Seem to be hard to him to do the same thing with coa and coc in few chapters

[toxic mural]

well pretty sure he didn't say such a thing

[pure raven]

True but luffy straight up trained haki and new gears 2 year with rayleigh

Just focusing on that

I feel like he should be way above everyone from his gen( in haki)

[pure raven]

Wait 2 seconds, i will find the page again to make it clear for us !

[toxic mural]

All types of haki, you can't reach them to the high levels with only training, you can only reach to a certain level, then you will have to get in difficult situations to expand their potentials

[pure raven]

Here it is

[toxic mural]

Oh you're right, I mostly forgot it for some reason

[pure raven]

I think it's hard to see a coc coat at this point

[toxic mural]

well you may be right, or it could be the opposite, so far we haven't seen anything special from Kid, sounded like he didn't want to show what's under his sleeve

[pure raven]

U think kid could awaken it mid fight now?

[toxic mural]

and I believe it sounds more accurate if you consider his latest repsonse to Law when he interfered his 1v1

[toxic mural]

I don't see why, since it was announced that Kid is Luffy's rival for one piece

[pure raven]

Alright

[toxic mural]

I mean if Luffy did it, I don't see why Kid can't

[pure raven]

Yes, i agree, but that's why my point earlier was "i hope a haki power up" but it will be more with his secret devil fruit (yeag big iron arms we know) and some combo with laws
Fan are a little bit obsesses with "awakening" "Coc coating" and other, i'm not thinking it will be fully exploit
Because of "louffi-centerism" you know

[pure raven]

As said before for me its the 2 years of training with rayleigh

But i see that oda can just do a ,, oh he awakend it mid fight now he got it too"

[toxic mural]

He didn't really gain that much from Rayleigh's training, he just learned the basics, even Rayleigh said it

[pure raven]

Would def be awesome if kid would have/reach same strength as luffy without just haki

His df definitly seems awesome for exploring that

[toxic mural]

What I don't like is how Oda turned Kid's intention from Kaido's head to BM's

[pure raven]

In fact it's really not link to luffy, to have a similiraty
Oda just say he wanted not a bullshit boss to kaido so we have "coc coating"
So point is to gave kid coc few chapter ago, has no point.. except coc coating in fact

[pure raven]

Agreed

Unpopular idea, what if Kidd awakens his DF instead of CoC upgrade. If he could evolve his "magnetism" into pure attraction, his powers wouldn't be restricted to iron etc. anymore.

[toxic mural]

well that would sound bs tbh, Oda been making the rival between Luffy and Kid heating up, but it seems he ruined it after the 2 years

Every time he disappoint us about Kid just showing words with no action and leaving us on the hook for years

[pure raven]

A lot of stuff sounds in a way chapter ago, we're not really at the point of "rivality" for luffy
Just check law

"The worst gen"

[toxic mural]

Law sounds like he gave up on the rivality tbh

[pure raven]

Yeah law is not really on the game anymore, it's just a strong pirates

[toxic mural]

Many fans kinda see that Oda just been slapping Kid on the face

[pure raven]

Kid will be the same, even if he is still activ

[toxic mural]

and not giving him the credits he used to have

[bold gull]

well with doflamingo and kaido defeat law will not have any purpose on life

[toxic mural]

Not according to Oda's words, Oda words were about Kid rivaling luffy on the one piece

Like if you look at it from another perspective you will see that Kid and Luffy have the same personality, but more like an evil and a good one

[pure raven]

Yeah, and black beard, and koby, and law and smoker, and a hundred of characters sell like "luffy's parrelellism" or shit, we saw that was never the case

Just the time of 1 arc like always

Kid disappear from 10 years, BB also

[toxic mural]

Nope, all of those you mentioned aren't the same as Kid at this point, oda never mentioned that BB will be Luffy's rival on the one piece

but he did mention that Kid is, before like many years

[pure raven]

Yeah i don't listen oda since a while

I mean i take care of what he said, it can be very old

[toxic mural]

But he still goes with it, you can see that he still showed it when they were in the prison

[pure raven]

Wano only

[toxic mural]

even before that, when Kid knew about their alliance

even after the marineford Kid said he won't luffy do his things without any trouble

[pure raven]

We see the finality, very useful

inter-arc

[toxic mural]

in fact Oda been giving Kid the upper hand in 2 times, the first appearance, and also between the 2 years, Kid had the highest bounty

[pure raven]

Yeah okay okay

[toxic mural]

that's the deal, Wano's arc is the turned point to Kid

[pure raven]

I understand, but as long term , i not expecting something for kid anymore, he won't be actual for me, too moch things to do, too many people

[toxic mural]

well you better expect a lot, because Wano is his turn point or at least thats what we told

[nocturne bison]

Its turning point for the majority of the supernovas

[toxic mural]

and honestly I kinda see that coming tbh.

I believe the reason behind Kid going after BM is so he can master coating CoC

[pure raven]

Good point

[oak mural]

He still wants to know will of d significance and meaning

[toxic mural]

well that's true, but if we gonna talk big, big enough to the one piece and the final war it will be about Luffy and Kid

[pure raven]

True

[quartz zenith]

Luffys "telepathy" is being shown now as the puzzle pieces that will be revealed when the crew takes a look at the Poneglyph hidden under Flower Capital Castle after the battle (or maybe if Robin finds the time or is forced to very soon)

[pure raven]

Worst gen was never rivals of luffy, they were just added characters to make the story turn
Even the SH don't have a 1/10e of luffy's focus

[nocturne bison]

But teach was part of the worst gen

[toxic mural]

many people that really don't realize that between the 2 years, Kid actually did beat up the third general of big mom, which has a bounty of 932m

[pure raven]

Yeah supernova sorry haha, indeed teach is the "pirate" big bad

[pure raven]

4 general and 600m

[pure raven]

Im sad that we never see such stuff actually shown

[bold gull]

someone argues that we can have some major reveal in wano about this. I don't see law hanging around with the SH after wano

[toxic mural]

Nope, it was said that it's Smoothie, the fourth was by the mounk

[pure raven]

Im sure law and luffy are stuck together till pretty much the end

Urouge beat snack .....

[pure raven]

oh right

[toxic mural]

Urouge did beat the fourth while Kid did beat the third

[pure raven]

Kidd beat smoothie ?

[toxic mural]

Well technically yeah

[bold gull]

yeah but I think it will be something like the grand fleet in dressrosa

[pure raven]

Law aint gonna join the grand fleet tho

[toxic mural]

He kinda clashed with her and did hurt her eyes and after returning the beat that one of his crew got he left the whole cake

[pure raven]

Nah it's been multiple time you say nonsense, basically in your own subject kid
Kid just drawn 2 boat of BM something like that

[toxic mural]

Actually 10

[pure raven]

Chapter ?

[pure raven]

is that specifically mentioned about smoothie? cant recall

[toxic mural]

I believe it's in the fishmen arc

[toxic mural]

well it was mentioned in vivre card

[light pond]

No it does not

[pure raven]

I dont see anything in the wiki about it so far

[pure raven]

No it's not

[light pond]

It wasnt metioned in any vivre card nor chapter that kid clashed with smoothie

[toxic mural]

pretty sure said kinda clashed

[pure raven]

Kidd simp detected

[light pond]

No it does not

[toxic mural]

actually I like Luffy more just put his picture now because it looks cool

[pure raven]

And kid has drown two ship i just check

[pure raven]

Anime 🦄

[toxic mural]

still looking since it's old

[pure raven]

read the spoiler

[light pond]

Closest thing to this is this

But it was never mentioned that it was smoothie

[pure raven]

maybe snack lost two times

[toxic mural]

it was mentioned it's smoothie in the vivre card, in chapter 928 it said one of the sweet generals

[light pond]

Not even in smoothie's vivre card it was mentioned

[pure raven]

Maybe he awakened advanced coo future sight against katakuri

[light pond]

Library of ohara would have wrote

[toxic mural]

Actually I heard this from Arthur who is the owner of library of ohara

[light pond]

Thats from his page

[toxic mural]

but cant tell if it was questions with oda or the vivre tbh

[light pond]

If arthur says it it should have been written on the page

[pure raven]

So you repeat thing you don't verified ?

[toxic mural]

repeat? No I verify it, it's just an old one so still looking for it

[light pond]

Reddit is not a good source it is a potlock of fake theories and horrible headcannons

[toxic mural]

that was the first thing showed to me, but still looking

damn it, I couldn't' find it at the time been, so I will take it back till I find it (when I have the time to look up)
but it's one of the 3 sweet generals, so far.

[teal bay]

i was re-reading the chapter and i think toki is alive

[light pond]

4 we dont even know if it is snack

[bold gull]

so how did momo use the frog mary? can anyone broadcast through them?

[tired osprey]

which chapter?

[light pond]

He found the switch

[teal bay]

1007

[light pond]

Mary is like a living walkietalkie at this point

[light pond]

Why?

[teal bay]

and i read what kawamatsu said and i think toki is alive after reading that

[teal bay]

i was bored so gave all the chapters from 976 a re-read

[bold gull]

now snails are just for hipsters

[light pond]

No i meant why u think toki is alive lol

[teal bay]

well just this panel

[tired osprey]

yeah, or its just supposed to trick us again, because of hiyori looking like toki, but then again, kawamatsu just met hiyori, and hiyori should be fresher and more logical in kawamatsus mind so why would he think of toki

[light pond]

Lol dont shame the den den mushis! Lol

[teal bay]

and why cant it be real and can possibly be a dream....
so that is why toki might be alive

[bold gull]

lol i mean in udon there was all that plot of caribou interrupting mushis communications and now this?

[light pond]

This is actually a long running theory base on the anime toki is dead if we were to believe that but from kawamatsu's statemeny and silouhette's form it could either be toki or just hiyori

[toxic mural]

I don't think so because Snack got beaten by Urouge and got obliterated from the sweet generals

[light pond]

Well theu seems like hive system too gonna bring down boa huang to stop the broadcast lol

[light pond]

We dont even know who come first to WCI kid or Urouge

[bold gull]

yeah it's also not clear if bao huang is just another mary or if she has control on them

[light pond]

Based on Urouge injuries he just recently been to WCI and from the records Kid has been on WCI two weeks before the SHs came to the island

[light pond]

I think she is the one who orders them specially when she orders them to find momo

[toxic mural]

We can tell from the small details, Urouge went first to the new world before Kid, and Kid's arm got cut off from Shanks apparently then he went to the whole cake (thats where the rumor showed up about Kid's arm got cut off from BM crew)

[light pond]

No we cant since we can see Urouge still got his injuries from the fight when he was in the sky island that kaido jumped off

[bold gull]

that's true but then momo shouldn't be able to hijack one of them and start his own podcast

[light pond]

Kid's arm getting cut off is very unrelated we dont even know when it happend and from the looks of it it wasnt recent

[teal bay]

but if it was hiyori it is possible unless he was unconscious and took hiyori as toki

[toxic mural]

His arm got cut off before he goes to the BM, then from that the rumor started

[light pond]

Could be also hiyori did say he will not join the war

[teal bay]

she said that she wont show up untill the end

[toxic mural]

His injuries don't explain anything, he could got injured by someone else, or even he's still in recover, because it was never mentioned that cracker let him go free, he also could have been a prisoner

I'm using ur logic against you, and u keep reacting lol

[light pond]

Dude they said Urouge was chased away recently thise injuries are from his bout in WCI

[bold gull]

i think kidd said explicitly when and who cut his arm in udon...

[toxic mural]

they said he was chased recently? Show me

[light pond]

Not long ago

[toxic mural]

read the page before that, she also mentioned Kid's name with Urouge btw

[teal bay]

also about luffy and momo using VOAT to communicate there might be a foreshadowing in this panel. we never thought about wee were just thinking that it might be his observation what if this was VOAT

[light pond]

And did she said who comes first in WCI?

[teal bay]

and he got headache this time just cause luffy was loud with his message and unconcious

[toxic mural]

you also said he was chased, yet nothing about that was mentioned. Yikes

[light pond]

Just like i said kid's arm getting cut has nothing to do on who went to WCI first

[toxic mural]

it explains a lot actually

[steel juniper]

Jack delimbed the minks and imprisoned kid but the assumption for some reason is not that he delimbed kid?

[light pond]

Dude cracker chase urouge away it was in the page

[toxic mural]

as your picture says, Urouge was the one who did beat a sweet general, but Kid didn't, Kid only injured one

[steel juniper]

Well the beast pirates that is

[light pond]

Dude if his arm was cut off before he went to WCI how is it related on who went to WCI first?

[toxic mural]

it never said about that, all it was mentioned is, mama sent cracker to crush him

[light pond]

Yes and i am saying snack could be the one kid injures

[bold gull]

"any other question you need cleared up?" yes are you actually good at fighting?

[toxic mural]

and I'm also telling you that the most reasonable answer is Urouge since he went first

[teal bay]

jack wasn't the one who captured kidd

[steel juniper]

Ye just beast pirates I meant to say

[light pond]

And i am telling you since urouge was recently chased away it is possible that kids exploit happen before urouge went and defeat urouge

[toxic mural]

Hold on, you're saying that Crack was chasing Urouge down? If so, then explain how Cracker being in the WCI

[light pond]

Chased AWAY!!! NOT CHASED UNTIL THE END OF EARTH

[teal bay]

charlotte snack was the one defeated by urouge

[light pond]

Yes

[toxic mural]

Yes and do you even realize English? Like let alone the word itself doesn't exist in your picture but whatever

[teal bay]

so urouge defeated snack like 2 years ago, not recently

[toxic mural]

thank you

Now talk the shameless talk badowlf

[light pond]

Not 2 years ago since brulee syas it is not long ago

[toxic mural]

Not a long ago could be 1 year

[teal bay]

well wikipedia says 2 yrs aago

[light pond]

Ur the one shameless when u cant even prove most of ur points

[light pond]

Within is not 2 years ago

[toxic mural]

Sounds like you are mad, the wiki says from a long ago, while you can't prove it

[toxic mural]

Shameless can't even argue properly lol

[light pond]

And the manga says not long ago which is much more factual wiki or manga?

[toxic mural]

Oh hold on, you gonna chase me away, like your imagination about Urouge Lmao

[light pond]

Ur the one shameless u cant even prove ur claims about smoothie

[toxic mural]

You mean the english version of the manga? which is not even the original translation

[bold gull]

yesterday was sometime in the last 2 years

[light pond]

It says sometime in the last two years it could be yesterday for all we know

[toxic mural]

don't call others shameless when you're the shameless one, oh hold on I said that not long time ago. Lmfao

[light pond]

Ur the one shameless u cant even prove one arguement ur saying here

[toxic mural]

Speak of yourself, I already proved my points. Yikes imagine spamming emojies to feel myself better lol

[light pond]

I have givern images after images ur the one who cant even prove anything and i am shameless lol

[teal bay]

than it could have been recently in wikipedia too

[light pond]

Which one have u proven lol

[toxic mural]

I already prove all of my points, you're the one who still cries about not being wrong while not only me who said the truth. I know life could be hard but you got admit the loss kiddo lol

[light pond]

Cause there is no proper timeline says but the manga says not to long ago

Yes!!! And this guy is saying it cant be snack lol and he cant even prove it

And he is the one saying i am shameless when he cant even prove his point lol

[toxic mural]

Dah? we already proved our point, even the fandom of one piece says in the last two years and you say "Recently", you haven't even proved "Chased away" yet yikes

[light pond]

I am done arguing with u lol when u start calling me names and undont even prove ur point goes to show how immature and a loser u are

[toxic mural]

walk the shameless walk, that you already had since the beginning, oh hold on you got chased away lmfao

[light pond]

They dont say 2 years they say within 2 years and the manga say NOT LONG AGO LOL TAKING WIKI OVER THE MANGA

[toxic mural]

Yes, the free translation you read ain't right dummy lol

[austere sandal]

bro yall getting heated over one piece theories you all need to calm down a bit

[toxic mural]

am just laughing at him that's all

[light pond]

He is the one who began calling me names lol when he cant prove a point

I am chilling rn lol not my problem when he cant even prove a point

[toxic mural]

So you started to lie in order to cover your flaws? Nice sounds like a real kid

[austere sandal]

ur unnecessarily provoking him and he's overreacting you both need to calm it down

[light pond]

Lol when did i lie ur the one who lied

[toxic mural]

thats why u keep reacting my messages, yeah surely chilling

[light pond]

Saying it was written in smoothies vivre card and arthur says it and all of the stuff u cant prove lol

[teal bay]

and just to say if smoothie was one that got injured by kidd she wouldn't be a commander anymore cuz kidd injured her aswell as stole something from her

just saying facts i think i am neutral cuz i dont care who was injured by kidd

[toxic mural]

lol I already said I took it back and said I will look it up when I have the enough time, unlike you who kept arguing a loss cause and cant admit it because he is not a mature enough yikes

badwolf lmao what a funny name that fits u

[light pond]

Ur the one who is not mature enough lol ur the one who start calling me names lol

[toxic mural]

yikes u cant use my logic against me, you can even come up with one

[teal bay]

also it can be snack who got injured and lost commander position cuz first he got injured and was robbed by kidd and the was defeated by urouge

[toxic mural]

imagine getting burned by someone and cant admit it

[bold gull]

kidd is junk anyway

[light pond]

I dont even know why get so heated lol

[austere sandal]

Yeah thats the thing this seems like such a niche unimportant detail, theres a decent chance that Kidd and Law combined (+ maybe Killer and Zoro?) are about to fight and maybe even beat Bih Mom so its not even important for power scaling discussions rn

[teal bay]

i really dont care about him anyway

[light pond]

Thank you lol i was being decent when he start calling me names lol

[toxic mural]

none of us claimed actual proofs, it's just we can use our common sense with what's been given to us

[toxic mural]

hold on I'm calling my friends as well for help lmao

[teal bay]

yes like kid and law are gonna defeat big mom and maybe kill her focus on that sheeeesh

[bold gull]

oda would say the same. wait are you oda!?!

[teal bay]

i aint no one friends or foe, i just leave one piece

[toxic mural]

didn't mention u at all lmao

[teal bay]

maybe, maybe not

[light pond]

I dont even know why he become so hostile in the first place lol way to be so immature

[toxic mural]

says the one who started to caps most of his words yikes and cant admit something

oh hold on cant blame ya, you still being chased by cracker?

[teal bay]

okay calm down both of you and lets read today's chapter

[light pond]

Admit what? When u cant even prove anything u said and i didnt even say anything hostiel to u ur the one who begin attacking me lol

[light pond]

I am chill he is the one who is hostile

[teal bay]

https://tenor.com/view/trouble-upset-chill-calm-down-cool-down-gif-17141602

[toxic mural]

prove? I already proved everything I said and stood by, and I took the words I said which shows the difference between you and me, yet you claimed that Urogue was being chased and thats why his injuries sounded like recent injuries yet there's nothing proved he was chased

you were bluffing around so don't put on me when I use ur logic

[toxic mural]

that's obviously "Cap" you been caps on and talking mad

[light pond]

Chased away very diff from being chased to the end of earth

[toxic mural]

so cracker asked Urouge to go away?

[light pond]

Dude i was proving a poiny when i do all caps ur the one u began being hostile i dont know why

[toxic mural]

English obviously ain't ur primary fam

[toxic mural]

thats why u been reacting most of my messages, yikes

[teal bay]

well about being chased

[light pond]

Dude chase away means force to go away

[toxic mural]

I get it, you're a kid and can't admit things and can't take things which is normal for kids

[light pond]

Ur the kid here lol u cant even see reason

[teal bay]

big mom did send a big crew after him and maybe cracker too

[toxic mural]

So Cracker was like ay you, you took down my brother so I will just punch u a couple times and I will leave u alone, not taking you to the prison or something, just leaving you alone

[light pond]

Dude is so closed off he cant even see reason lol

[teal bay]

dude chillll

[toxic mural]

Putting emojies don't show you as the winner or the right, it just shows how silly you are lmao

[light pond]

@toxic mural u should have read this lol

[teal bay]

https://tenor.com/view/chill-chill-out-chill-pill-calm-down-chillax-gif-21367936

[light pond]

I dont even get why ur so heated lol man chill

[teal bay]

and just leave this topic

[toxic mural]

Heated? lmao, you wish man

[tired osprey]

chill out guys

[toxic mural]

You been going all on me the entire time and now u try to show up chilling lmfao

[light pond]

I am chill oli just giving reasons herr and he couldnt take it and started calling me names lol he is the one being hostile

[teal bay]

both of you calm down or big mom will give you lapdance

[toxic mural]

yikes, explaining to others what u didn't do and what you didn't take

[warm lichen]

Is the spoiler channel read only

[light pond]

Yes they wont open until next week

[toxic mural]

started calling me names lmao

[tired osprey]

chapter is out, you can talk about it in any of the manga channels

[warm lichen]

Oh ok

[teal bay]

@toxic mural man yk what if yoiu aint hostile and you are chill just change the topic

[tired osprey]

just drop it guys, no point of throwing pies at each other anymore

[light pond]

@toxic mural I am blocking u know since u dont seems to take a chill pill

[toxic mural]

I'm literally about to head out

[bold gull]

what i love about discord is that you can also have private conversations

[toxic mural]

Yes block me because u couldn't take me, just how u couldn't take the matters here, and keep playing the victim, yikes how childish u could be

[warm lichen]

Bro I’ve seen ppl say sanji has the qualities of a king after this chap and he may get CoC look he’s the only one with the will to fight even after the possibility luffy was dead

[teal bay]

cool so just stay calm

[toxic mural]

aight hold on, I'm being chased away by cracker, gotta go cya

[light pond]

Well he was a prince

[warm lichen]

I see the monster trio having it that would be so cool

[light pond]

Thank you this is also the same point i was after

[teal bay]

he might get CoC or something else cuz with jimbei there he might be replaced of monster trio is he doesnt pull up something big

[warm lichen]

Nah I don’t think the monster trios getting replaced anytime soon

[bold gull]

we may have monster quartet tho

[split hornet]

If sanji beats queen that would be huge

Zoro and king, sick matchups
Then they're 📈

[toxic mural]

Your message just got my interest and I just wanna point out that how we all know brullle is a big liar, which you even mentioned that she mentioned that kid got tossed out, but when kid explained it he said he just went in and cut that sweet general what he deserves and then walked out, yet the BM pirates used it to their own benefit

[teal bay]

what if marco vs king and its zoro,luffy and yamato vs kaido??

[last void]

yes

So far we Have
Law and Kid vs Big Mom

Killer vs Hawkins

And A Possible Zoro vs King

And once Luffy recovers,he and Yamato vs Kaido

[teal bay]

cuz what we know yamato wont back out from defeating kaido can be that she is KO before luffy comes back and then Luffy and Zoro was kaido

[last void]

Ok but what about King?

Are you Implying that it would be Marco vs King?

[teal bay]

can be anything possible but anyways its gonna be fun
like they 3 got their motives to defeat kaido
Luffy - Pirate king
Yamato - Freedom
Zoro - be the best swordsman
also about king it can be Marco vs King

[teal bay]

can be i mean they are both flying type zoan type and are/used to be 1st commander of their own crew

what i ammost about curious is that 1% man

[acoustic kettle]

so, Oda said Luffy wont be able to defeat kaido alone, that he will need help
Now at ch 1015 Yamato (most definitely) will fight Kaido, so my guess is that Luffy will join the fight and he with the help of Yamato will defeat him, Yamato will be freed and Luffy will defeat him, win win situation, also Yamato hype to be straw hat so thats a bonus xd

[pure raven]

ima bust if yamato becomes a straw hat, im simping for this

[acoustic kettle]

I want her to join sooo bad

[desert sedge]

VOICE OF ALL THINGS THEORY:
Here's my take on why laws crew were able to hear luffy, we all know voice of all things allows the user to hear ancient creatures, seakings and poneglyphs. I believe shirahoshi's ability to talk to seakings are voat too. Similar to momo on zunesha. Luffy, roger and oden were able to hear the seakings and zunesha but they werent able to talk to them. Why is that? I believed voat users allows them to hear them all( seakings, zunesha and poneglyphs), but only a specific voat users are able to talk and order a specific creature. Shirahoshi as to seakings and momo as to zunesha. its not like the creature themselves dont hear all voat users, it's more of a choice for the creature if they want to listen, follow and respond to all voat users. Example of this is when roger, oden and luffy tried to talk to the seakings, the seaking hear them but they didn't respond to them.Voat users can talk to the creature in person or even telepathically as seen in fishman island when luffy was trying to destroy noah. The seakings weren't present around them at first, but shirahoshi awakened her voat and unconsciously called them telepathically. The same as with momo, he awakened it in zou and talked to zunesha. Now with Luffy, i think he's voat allows him to hear seakings and zunesha the same as other voat users. But his voat focuses on HUMANS, thats why he was able to telepathically talk to momo and law's group heard him. Now, the question is why only momo and laws group and not all the alliance? Maybe because if luffy talked to them all telepathically there's a chance they wont believe its him and might think that its just another enemy strategy, thats why he asked momo to relay his message for them to believe him.

[teal bay]

a nice thoery

[split hornet]

Could be

[desert sedge]

Thanks, luffy voat focusing on humans is pretty useful in final war. Giving orders telepathically since its a large scale battle.

[teal bay]

well can be that VOAT are waves which are passed telepathically and polar tang being submarine having SONAR caught the waves, it will the be that luffy can talk to only those with VOAT

[crystal quiver]

I was also thinking that voat could have a link to coc haki

[teal bay]

answers your question and clearify things

[teal bay]

pretty much possible imo

[desert sedge]

Yeah, but laws crew specifically said that its like they hear luffy's voice even underwater. If its about sonar they could have said something about it.

[teal bay]

lemme read this chapter again and then i will say further

[teal nymph]

does zeus still have apart of BM's soul or not (in which case how is even alive ) ?

[pure raven]

I think within the next few chapters law will have to do the eternal youth surgery on luffy due to the state he is in currently this could also be why laws crew heard luffy's voat he may know it has to happen to win and relayed the message to them in order to get law to luffy

[oak mural]

no ig law will not die in wano he will prob die only after getting to know will of d i guess

[supple nimbus]

He's not suicidal......

[weary cliff]

It seems after Zeus was crushed by BM, his weakened soul attached to the climatact instead of being attached to a thunder cloud like it was. So I'd have to assume it's the same old Zeus still with a chunk of BM's soul

[bold gull]

nah it's going to do it with kidd after attaching him kiku's arm

[cyan berry]

eternal youth doesnt mean luffy can't get killed from kaido

and we dont know if it actually heals people or not

not even counting the fact that Law has never stated the need to even wanting to do it

[pure raven]

I doubt the war will get complicated in a way that this would actually play a role in it

[desert sedge]

Its gonna be an all out war, allied countries, pirates vs the wg. How is it not gonna be complicated? It gonna be the biggest war in one piece. Its a large scale battle. There's no way to give all orders just from using den den mushi.

[pure raven]

Cause its one piece

The battles arent meant to be complicated

It also never been the focus of oda writing

[desert sedge]

What do you mean by that? I'm afraid I'm not getting your point

[pure raven]

Communication during battle
Simply never been a thing in one piece
The battles are always just straight shonen style
No big mind games etc

Since one piece isnt really focused on the battles but on the adventure and characters

[maiden terrace]

I wonder where Momo and Shinobu fell to

[proud tree]

ocean?

maybe momo flys?

[teal bay]

he still has the soul that is why big mom told hera to have her share but he somehow rescued himself

[maiden terrace]

I think that Momo may be flying right now, but I hope they go somewhere new

[desert sedge]

I see, i believed the final war will be the last arc of one piece, adventures will be near over at that point. Its about bringing down the world government and its not gonna be easy. Communication and strategy is a must at that point. There's just no way they're just gonna barge in and bring down the government without a plan and communication

[teal bay]

final battle is after he gets One Piece

[desert sedge]

Exactly.

[teal bay]

also about the thing we were talking about earlier regarding VOAT

[desert sedge]

Oh yeah, you reread it?

[teal bay]

in this panel they say "It's like we could hear him" never said they could hear him. It can be just his CoC or VOAT that made them think like they could hear him also they saw him first

[worldly anvil]

There's also a chance it's a mistransaltion

[teal bay]

and them being underwater the only possible way is through if his COC or VOAT is too strong and they felt like it.
like when they tame an animal with COC they dont say it,its telepathy

there are chances that he might be able to talk to humans using VOAT but for now i think its only with humans with VOAT

also your theory is good cant discard that imo

[desert sedge]

Thats possible of course. Its just a theory of mine based on the current information that we have at the moment. I could be wrong or there's a possibility it might come true. I only put telepathy on that cause he was able to talk to momo at that distance.

[worldly anvil]

can't wait when the real translation come out

[teal bay]

also Shinobu and Momo might be able to fly cause, there are 2 ways :-

1. shinobu uses that flying thing
2. mom changes to dragon and flies like he did once in PH

[teal bay]

if you see the real ones can you confirm that panel??

[worldly anvil]

sure got to wait until Sunday

[teal bay]

yeah its fine

[last void]

Spoilers for Ch.1016 when?

jk lol

[rugged harbor]

this is even more solid once u consider the next arc which is the "biggest war" , with luffy having a massive fleet under his command , being able to command them all telepathically and organize the attack without giving any info to the enemy sounds insane

[teal bay]

tuesday lmao

[last void]

ok

[delicate sedge]

luffy, commanding

[rugged harbor]

i mean its gonna happen , our boy grew up 😭

[desert sedge]

Yeah, Voat is so useful in large scale battles.

[delicate sedge]

Dont get me grong, i would love luffy to develop more as leader and command but... even vs a jonkou he is being almost the same luffy as always

[desert sedge]

Also imagine him seeing something in the future and talks telepathically to his comrades to dodge it

[rugged harbor]

maybe this battle trains him on how to organize an attack in an all out war because he realizes just running in like an ape doesnt work

[delicate sedge]

The everybody, duck or dodge is something i could see

[teal bay]

luffy commanding sounds good and it might happen considering roger used to command his own group

[desert sedge]

Cant even disagree with that

[rugged harbor]

Dodge, duck, dip, dive and dodge

[teal bay]

LMAO LIKE AN APE

[delicate sedge]

Monke D Luffy

[rugged harbor]

u got the pun omg pog

[teal bay]

[rugged harbor]

i did that pun so many times and no one got it

[teal bay]

i was more focused on laughing lmao

[rugged harbor]

but yee maybe he grows alot more during this battle and becomes alot more similar to roger

[teal bay]

cuz its funny how the protagonist was called APE

[rugged harbor]

and starts actually using his brain

[teal bay]

yeah

[delicate sedge]

If luffy commands one good thing about that is that Morgans and Stussy maybe are right abount luffy being a machiavelian leader

[teal bay]

i want him to do that commanding and being cheerful

and calling people names

[delicate sedge]

Tbh im sure luffy and ussop will pass down in one piece history as great, brave and inteligent people

[brazen acorn]

we were so dead fucking wrong all of us lmao

how is it possible to be so wrong... It was Luffy who spoke to him all along.. not sea kings and not zunesha

[delicate sedge]

I believed in 🐙

[brazen acorn]

i'm pretty sure that law's submarine was mentioned a few times but we were like no way they can spot him

[bold gull]

gear 5 will be "smart man" luffy inflating just his head

[rugged harbor]

it was me saying the sub

[pure raven]

[rugged harbor]

maybe its the return of that headbutt attack i forgot its name (he used it vs gecko moria) , he infuses it with coc this time

idk thats what u said reminded me of xD

[pure raven]

1 that lufffy witll get a 2nd fruit due becosue theres NO WAY luffy could kill kaido or even just beat him at this point

I think usopp will be the 1 strawhat that dies

[delicate sedge]

No straw hat will die

[pure raven]

I hope not

But that’s my theory

[delicate sedge]

Some of the dreams of the strawhats seem like are going to be completed after the manga ends or in an epilogue

[pure raven]

Mr Morj gives a pretty convincing video

[viral aspen]

If buggy can survive this long so will Ussop

[stiff fiber]

did you check out morj's video?

[pure raven]

^

[stiff fiber]

oh didn't notice that

[delicate sedge]

The sunny cant travel all the seas with the crew that was at water 7 without usopp being alive

[pure raven]

Just think about tho, usopp wants to have a hero’s death

So he can die saving all of them from something

[delicate sedge]

Ussop wants to become a brave warrior not a dead one

[pure raven]

He already is a brave warrior lol

[delicate sedge]

Not in his mind yet, he is still insecure at times, while he is becoming braver and stronger

[pure raven]

Watch morj video and you will know what I’m talking about

[stiff fiber]

buggy ain't a member of a daring crew though

[pure raven]

Lol queen tried to eat chopper xD

[viral aspen]

Idk they are pretty ballsy. He does carry them though

[errant gale]

We all see him as a brave warrior but I don't think he has realised it himself, it's probably going to take a while for him to truly see himself as one

[stiff fiber]

elbaf arc on its way
mostly after wano imo

[delicate sedge]

I would prefer if i dont have to watch and entire video to know the basics of "your" theory but well

[errant gale]

Indeed, he'll probably have a huge character moment in that arc

[stiff fiber]

a single panel would suffice

[errant gale]

Usopp said thinks dying honourably is something only a brave warrior could do from way back in little garden

[stiff fiber]

this @delicate sedge

[errant gale]

Yes that's it

[delicate sedge]

thanks

[errant gale]

Most of what usopp has said becomes true as well

[pure raven]

That’s just ussop hyping himself up we all know he is a coward at heart and would scream for help if he’s really about to die

[errant gale]

That was him way back yes but the whole point of his journey is to become that sort of warrior

The one that can die honourably with pride, there's a good chance it'll happen but he is a Strawhat

[crystal quiver]

he can die after reaching laughtale, in the fight with bb/world government

[stiff fiber]

no one would gag even if its usopp when it comes to their dreams

[stiff fiber]

wish this happens

[errant gale]

It could happen against blackboard, usopp protecting luffy from an attack

[delicate sedge]

While i see what you mean, this is a bit diferent from the histrories he narrated as true and then became true.
With his girlfriend learning medicine i would not discard it as a red herring and her saving him

[errant gale]

Kinda like luffy vs lucci, usopp drives luffy to win the fight

[pure raven]

They won’t be fighting just BB since BB has a big crew, ussop could fall to any number of peeps

[errant gale]

Oh no I know but usually luffy's big fight is always the last one so they'll probably be occupied fighting fodder whilst luffy 1v1ing blackbeard

[pure raven]

There isn’t just fodder in BBs crew lol

[delicate sedge]

10 titanic commanders, 10 strawhats at that fight

[pure raven]

I don’t think even think ussop could take Bergies? The wrestler guy lol

[dusk willow]

boy this chapter is hype

[stiff fiber]

almost everyone in BBs crew is very strong

[errant gale]

There is,im not talking about thr commanders he has, im talking about after everyone's had their fights with them and they're dealing with the rest of his crew

Luffys fight with Bb is going to be the longest one

[dusk willow]

but bergess still took an L to sabo

[stiff fiber]

he went hand to hand with the vice captain of the revolutionary army

[dusk willow]

and thats BB's FIRST COMMANDER lmao

[pure raven]

He didn’t go toe to toe with sabo he got slept

[dusk willow]

exactly what i said

[pure raven]

He is only first commander cause he has sentimental value to bb lol

[errant gale]

I'm just saying there's probably going to be another moment jsut like enies lobby where usopp hypes up luffy to go further beyond but this time usopp maybe dies in someway or defend luffy from a fatal blow

[pure raven]

Yeah I was replying to the guy who said he went hand to hand with him

[dusk willow]

i doubt that any of the straw hats are gonna die before they reach their goals. maybe Jinbei because thats the job that Ace gave him

[errant gale]

True but usopps goal is the only one that isn't concrete

[stiff fiber]

IDK
I think I might be expecting too much from BBs crew

[pure raven]

The ones that were in level 6 are no fodder

[dusk willow]

yeah the only ppl i worry about are BB and Shiryu

[stiff fiber]

and that pale face guy

[dusk willow]

tHE GIANT TOO

oops sorry for caps

[stiff fiber]

https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Laffitte
this guy

even his df is mysterious

[errant gale]

That's Brooks fight

[stiff fiber]

maybe

[errant gale]

Is he a commander?

[crystal quiver]

i found something interesting, in mocktown when bb says peoples dreams have no end, luffy and zoro say to nami its not he its they/them, this could mean that they realised bb is carrying out someone elses dream i.e rocks

or he could just have 3 bodies

[errant gale]

He could have multiple stomachs

[stiff fiber]

not sure

[flat nimbus]

what do you think Oda has in mind for Lucci's role in the future btw?

[fallow egret]

Can law find a devil fruit and shambles it into kaido stomach? A surprise shambles

[pseudo citrus]

I imagine that would fall under the umbrella of things that wouldn't be possible because he has too much haki... I think haki is being used to stop the ope-ope fruit from being used for a "cheap" win

[queen arrow]

finding a devil fruit isn't easy

[pseudo citrus]

how dumb would he feel if he did that, only to find that the two devil fruit = death thing wasn't true, and gave kaidou extra powers

[errant gale]

I think Lucci is most likely going to just be a foe in the final war against the world government, someone for luffy to fight again before akainu

[pure raven]

I don’t even think luffys fight is with the word gov, that’s his fathers domain. If anyone is fighting lucci it’s the revos

[oak mural]

Dragon needs some screentime dude is protagonist's father and has 12 min screenplay in 22 years

[autumn birch]

Heey yo wsp? What do you think about vivi, shirahoshi and momo being the 3 ancestral weapons ?

[oak mural]

Nope lol pluton is a ship

[inner basin]

tragedy of act 3 might be all the scabbards dying

[autumn birch]

In arabasta we get to know that pluton is there (we think is a boat or something like that) but cobra was very affraid of crocodile talking about that he want to get pluton, also mention that cobra knows what is said in the poneglyph (2 things to mention here i just re-readed arabasta and when that conversation happend between cobra and croc they dont talk about and object but rather something and when croc was defeated suddenly the rain pops in like a miracle i personally think vivi has something to do with that)

[cedar sinew]

Cobra does not know anything, only that he’s been tasked to guarding it and that it’s about pluton

And pluton is a war ship

[autumn birch]

2nd weapon being shiraoshi

[autumn birch]

yeah you are right cobra doesn't know what is said exactly but knows something related

if pluton is a war ship and in fact exist why wg doesn't founded it yet if they are actively looking for them

[cedar sinew]

Because they can’t read poneglyphs

And they don’t know about the poneglyph?

[autumn birch]

they do

[cedar sinew]

NOW they do

After reverie

[autumn birch]

what, but if ohara was destroyed cuz they were studying about poneglyph

[cedar sinew]

They found out about it

That doesn’t mean the WG knows about every poneglyph in exisistence

[pure raven]

I think it was hinted in a cover story that there is a huge amount of water underneath alabasta

And the ship could be hidden under alabasta

[autumn birch]

i think is more logic to think that they not founded it yet cuz they cant

Like joy boy pluton might be something of inerithed will more than weaponary

[pure raven]

Well if they had to create a whole 2nd ship to counter Pluton kinda explains just how strong pluton itself is

[autumn birch]

and uranus that is lost in time in space fits with the theme that wano is an isolated country

[pure raven]

And it was said many times just one of the weapons can wipe out countless islands

[cedar sinew]

Pluton is a warship my guy

[pure raven]

It was also crocodiles reason for finding Pluton

[cedar sinew]

There’s no inheritance involved

[autumn birch]

but is the story spread by the wg the ones who creates stories to cover their own failures time after time

[teal bay]

I am sorry but I cant understand anything you are trying to say

[brave silo]

what was his df again ?

[pure raven]

OMG ITS NOT much of a theory but lETS Gooo I vote for this

[brave silo]

has oda ever explained why planes dont exist in OP universe ?

[stiff fiber]

not revealed yet

[cedar sinew]

No

But you can deduce why it doesn’t exist