manga-theories

[exotic echo]

wonder if that'd play some role in the distant future

[grizzled fog]

Well, I kinda feel like if anything luffy is gonna reignite the flames of the next gen of pirates, certainly don’t see him ending altogether, or stopping piracy in some manner, seems like he wouldn’t want to take away freedom from people in that manner

[queen arrow]

hmm

[exotic echo]

not like he'd have any control over that. also with the one piece fully secured & discovered that ends the main reason for everybody setting sail

[pure raven]

Luffy only opposes people who take his freedom away. I've not seen anything to suggest that he wants to preserve other people's freedom. **apart from his friends who have been wronged

[exotic echo]

not like piracy would ever END, but ya know. the "golden age" would be over

[grizzled fog]

Not that he wants to preserve others necessarily, but he wouldn’t actively try to take away others

[exotic echo]

wait, you know what...

the "golden age" is already over. ended with WB dying

and kuma was effectively dead at that point so

works out anyway. cool!

[pure raven]

Was gonna say yea, Kuma already died in one sense at Sabaody

[queen arrow]

was going to say that

[grizzled fog]

Eh, isnt the Golden Age of piracy more of an overarching thing that encompasses pretty much all of the story? I feel like as long as the One piece hasn’t been found it’s still the golden age

[grizzled fog]

Yea that’s true, I kinda feel like something that happens (even if it’s not directly from luffy) is gonna reignite that spark of piracy somehow, maybe in a similar vein to how WB’s words at MF did

[exotic echo]

perhaps

[gloomy canyon]

That’s what happened, WB’s final words rekindled the great pirate era,

[grizzled fog]

Exactly

But I don’t really see Luffy ending it like that and somewhat stifling piracy, even if that’d be a good thing for the world

[pure raven]

How many eras have their been?
Rocks' era.
Rocks is defeated. Roger's era is upon us.
Roger is executed. Great Pirate era begins.
Whitebeard dies.
Is the Great Pirate era also known as Whitebeard's era?

[grizzled fog]

Whitebeard’s era?

[gloomy canyon]

The great pirate era is just the search for the one piece by countless pirates

[pure raven]

It's mentioned at Sabaody/Marineford

[grizzled fog]

I think people like Whitebeard have had their own eras within the Great Pirate Era

[pure raven]

Makes sense

[exotic echo]

looking further into it, they're definitely separate

even have things like color spreads with "New age" on it, as well as tons of dialogue before and after about "the new age"

whitebeard's death marking the end of an era etc

[grizzled fog]

Well yea, I think the Worst Generation is pretty much making it’s own era atm, that’ll be especially clear when they take down two emperors

[exotic echo]

iirc narrator says that outright after his death

[gloomy canyon]

There are things that define an era, and people who encompass it, but I think it’s still the great pirate era that was started by Rogers final words. Countless pirates set off to sea in search of the one piece, and WB’s final words of “the one piece does exist” rekindled that

But in terms of the people who make up that era

It’s shifting from the old guard to the new generation

The worst generation

[exotic echo]

can't believe you just disrespect BB like this in plain daylight

smh

[gloomy canyon]

Zehahaha

[grizzled fog]

Yeh I was thinking of that fats, but BB is just selfish and wants it all to himself, he forgets he’s part of the WORST GENERATION

[modest skiff]

What I've assumed this whole time is that big mom is a hybrid of 2 different races and it is why she was disowned

[gloomy canyon]

Era is kind of a vague thing to pinpoint tho

Is it the people who make the era, or is it something grander

[grizzled fog]

Err there was no indication that her parents weren’t her real parents tho, just that she’s an anomaly

[exotic echo]

the great age of piracy vs the new age

you could include both of those in some larger bracket i guess

just feels like oda made a point of separating it. remember luffy ringing the bell

and all that dialogue previously and afterwards

[grizzled fog]

Yea people like Rocks (and crew), Roger, Whitebeard, and now luffy, kid, law, BB and the rest of the worst Gen are the important members who make up these eras and kind of define them

[gloomy canyon]

I just think the overall goal that Roger’s words started hasn’t changed, just the people who are at the top of that era have

Yeah there definitely is a separation post Marineford

[grizzled fog]

That separation is noticeable within the marines too

With Sengoku and Garp stepping down/somewhat retiring, Aokiji leaving, Akainu moving up and new marines joining in

[gloomy canyon]

The players have changed yeah

[modest skiff]

woops you're right, I did not remember her mom actually looked like her. I guess the idea that she really is this bizarre creature that eats everything and goes on rampages just didn't quite seem right for 2 normal human parents. I still feel like there is something else that makes her special beyond luck

[grizzled fog]

Age≠Era

[grizzled fog]

Hard to define, but I’d say we’re still within the Great AGE of Piracy, but there’s been a couple ERAS within it

[gloomy canyon]

It’s all true

Things have changed after marineford

But the mass search for the one piece inspired by Roger’s words (and WB’s) is still going strong

Can only really end once the one piece is found

[modest skiff]

Yeah I’d say as a matter of semantics an era is within an age right?

Or perhaps interchangeable I don’t know I’m not a historian

[grizzled fog]

They’re synonyms, but I’m choosing to use them slightly differently

[modest skiff]

The current culture of one piece and the major faction dynamics within it are basically all related to the one piece directly or indirectly so I’d say it’s still that same “age”

[queen arrow]

this is the Worst Era

[grizzled fog]

Low key makes me wish the other members of the generation had bigger impacts, people like Apoo and Hawkins

And bege and probs urouge, they’ll pretty much be footnotes to history

[modest skiff]

Rather than going through yonkos, I would have liked to see arcs that focus on other bad generation folks

Would have been cool to see a ~50 chapter arc of Straw Hats vs some other pirate crew searching for the same thing (other than the one piece, like some other treasure)

[exotic echo]

yeah, idk. just so much in the story that makes the two halves distinct from one another. like every bit of dialogue I'm seeing seems to separate the two

ordinarily i'd agree, but I think i've changed my mind about it

[modest skiff]

Separate which 2?

[exotic echo]

the 'eras' or w/e

ace & WB dying and making a new one just like his father did before

[modest skiff]

yeah i mean i could see that perspective

[exotic echo]

all that dialogue just feels very deliberate on oda's part. i actually hadn't really analyzed it that much before

[modest skiff]

It was a huge shake up that really changed a lot of dynamics. But fundamentally, I see the overall focus of the world as almost exactly the same

I wouldn't say someone is "wrong" for saying the show essentially split into another age after ace though

[exotic echo]

nah and I can't really say the opposite, cuz of course everyone is still after the OP. just noticing how it's drilled in, over and over through dialogue makes it feel like a very distinct effort on oda's part to make that point

[grizzled fog]

I do think Luffy is gonna stand out from legends like Roger and Whitebeard in that he won’t actually have an epic death like them, at least not one we see

[queen arrow]

there's a line from Garp in relation to Rocks that iirc says "before Roger it was their era"

[grizzled fog]

Blackbeard during MF gives some good quotes on this iirc

[exotic echo]

yeah. and i do think you can say pretty readily that in the years between his death & whitebeard's death, whitebeard was the one who defined the era and kept everyone in check. whereas now there is no real singular figure like that

just a big moshpit

sort of odd. sorry i clogged up #manga-theories with all that, but it just really struck me for some reason that i hadn't really even thought about this too much in the past

[grizzled fog]

Guess you could say shanks does that to a certain degree , not like wb did tho

[modest skiff]

Yeah Shanks seems to take a bit of a hands off approach while also still stepping in here and there whereas WB was more active it seemed

[polar bison]

shanks keeps people in check

[modest skiff]

Its kind of funny that we have almost no idea how strong Shanks is other than how people treat him and the fact that Kidd is missing an arm

[polar bison]

but that’s all he does, he isn’t defining an era by any measure, bc he doesn’t care to

[exotic echo]

yeah we don't have any dialogue for shanks where it directly says that he is "holding the floodgates" or w/e like whitebeard got

multiple times if i remember correctly, they talk about him basically gatekeeping OP

[modest skiff]

IIRC Shanks is after the one piece just like everyone else right? Its just that he seems more focused on that whereas people like Kaido and BM are building empires that are kind of a side quest

[proven barn]

i dont think shanks is worked up over onepiece as much as others would

[polar bison]

no, shanks has no interest in OP as far as we know

[proven barn]

he knows more stuff that most of would too

[modest skiff]

So then I think this is where the question of how he spends his time and why he bothered to get so powerful comes in. If he doesn't want the one piece, he wants something that has kept some extremely powerful people around. I'm not convinced he just kinda wanders around and doesn't wake up with any sort of plans or agenda

[grizzled fog]

I think he spends his time largely drinking and fighting lol

[modest skiff]

I see Shanks as a lot more strategic and ambitious than to essentially be some kinda Goku

[polar bison]

^^ man is living his best self-actualized life

I don’t think he has any personal ambition whatsoever, no goal beyond making sure One Piece is found again by the Proper person (who he clearly believes is Luffy), and making sure everything in the world keeps together until then

man is free, and uses that freedom to enjoy himself. he’s what luffy aspires to

[modest skiff]

Alright so I mean if he wants Luffy to get the One Piece, that is clearly a big life thing that he's working towards. I like that idea that he's what Luffy aspires to...AFTER he finds the one piece

[teal sparrow]

Can't wait until Pell saves Luffy

[modest skiff]

Does anyone have any theories why both Jack and big mom survived being under water?

[weary cliff]

Jack is part fishman. Big Mom has the same plot armor as Luffy

[grizzled fog]

Jack is a fishman, and BM just got washed to shore

[grizzled fog]

He’s full fishman

[weary cliff]

Ah I wouldn't have guessed. He looks probably more human than Dellinger

[modest skiff]

Oh weird I dunno how I didn’t realize jack is a fishman

ok wtf Giant grouper are you serious

[tired osprey]

they are giant

if you google mammoth fish, mostly giant groupers comes up lol

[modest skiff]

And I think that's what Oda googled lol <___<

[little moon]

Anyone got a theory on Ryoukugyu aka Green Bull?

[sonic plaza]

water logia?

[little moon]

We're so busy with wano that we forgot ods still silhoutted him 🙃

Oda*

[modest skiff]

Probably some type of plant fruit. If he hasn't eaten for 3 years, photosynthesis sure does sound probable

We don't know anything about the entrance exams to be an admiral right? One question I had was: Are Fujitora and Ryokugyu necessarily weaker than Akainu and Aokiji or is it possible they are stronger and its just that they don't look for admirals other than when they need them. We don't know what it means to become or lose admiral rank

[sonic plaza]

i wouldnt be surprised if he got major focus in an arc before raftel

possibly elbaf or smth

[amber oar]

I don't know if it's been stated but I have the feeling they did that big ass draft mostly to recover/reinforce their ranks after the Marineford losses

[polar bison]

given sakazuki's new position, i think it's safe to say he's a slight level above the other admirals

[sonic plaza]

he could have conq haki, because of the fact that the prev fleet admiral had it

[polar bison]

there's a question of how strong kuzan is after two years compared to sakazuki's growth, but last we checked they were almost equals, so he's likely stronger than the main admirals as well

[vague shuttle]

I still think Kizaru is stronger than any of them

[polar bison]

so i think the more interesting question is how fuji and ryokugyu match up to kizaru,,, and fuji definitely has more impressive feats than kizaru does atm just in terms of sheer scale

[sonic plaza]

nah, he has the best fruit, but no

[gloomy canyon]

Akainu and Aokiji atm are likely a slight step above the others

They're all relatively close tho

They have to be for that position

[grizzled fog]

They’re all at the same level imo

[polar bison]

so i think kizaru and fuji and ryokugyu are all about equal just bc we don't have any reason to believe kizaru is as strong as sakazuki or any stronger than the new admirals

[grizzled fog]

I’ve no reason to believe akainu is on another level or something, or fuji a level below, so I place all of them at the same level

[polar bison]

he could but it would've been revealed in the vivre cards the same way sengoku's was, probably, if he did

[sonic plaza]

maybe its a plot point for the future

[polar bison]

we also see him react to conqueror's users several times in marineford as if he isn't one himself

[sonic plaza]

he could have awakened it after his fight with aokiji or smth

[grizzled fog]

The only admiral with room left to be a coc user is Greenbull imo, and that’s not even based on any logic, just my personal feeling and desire

[polar bison]

at the age of 50? ok

anything is possible, but unless you have evidence backing it up, it won't be likely

and there's no evidence backing up this idea that sakazuki has CoC, so it's not terribly interesting to think about or discuss, and it's not likely, either.

[sonic plaza]

there is no evidence that says that he does not

• it is completely unknown to us

[modest skiff]

Why not likely? If you ain’t got it, you can’t compete at the top level at this point

[sonic plaza]

in fact, he likely does not

• i am just making a theory

[grizzled fog]

? Without coc you most definitely can, the admirals are literally proof of that. And akainu isn’t on par with people like the emperors so even with it he wouldn’t be competing with them

[polar bison]

ok kaidou

[polar bison]

the fact that he hasn’t revealed it, the fact that he’s discussed it from the perspective of an outsider, the fact that it isn’t listed among the haki he knows in his vivre cards, the fact that it wouldn’t actually add anything to his character,,,, this is all evidence against it.

[cedar sinew]

@hazy fable dont shitpost here

[sonic plaza]

oda literally just revealed that zoro has coc haki after 23 years of us not knowing

anything can HAPPEN

[modest skiff]

I suppose I’m talking about emperors and the assumption that Luffy eventually fights Akainu. If Luffy eventually does fight him, I bet he also has CoC. I’m more so talking from a plot timing perspective it would be weird if Akainu ended up never being a big boss fight

[cedar sinew]

and as a general rule of thumb you assume the normal until proven otherwise

[sonic plaza]

of course, but tell me,
wasn't the normal that zoro did not have coc before ch1010?

[cedar sinew]

yes

[grizzled fog]

I think it’d be a little odd if Akainu unlocked coc and underwent a MASSIVE power boost in the two years, we’ve seen no reason or indication of that. But oh well

[sonic plaza]

always assuming the typical and logical thing to happen in OP is never a good idea

[cedar sinew]

it's a pretty pointless discussion. It's not impossible for Akainu to have it but theres no indication of him having it. So why theorize about it?

[modest skiff]

You could say there haven’t been situations that have needed it so maybe didn’t need it

[sonic plaza]

because ITS A THEORY

[cedar sinew]

A theory has multiple logcial reasonings

[grizzled fog]

That’s honestly quite dumb, if he had the advanced application he would’ve used it in Marineford

[cedar sinew]

read the pinned theories

those are what theories are

[grizzled fog]

He also would very likely be confirmed as per vivre card

[cedar sinew]

not "akainu= strong, therefore he has coc"

[sonic plaza]

oh ok, let me spend 2 years typing a 10000 word argument for a theory

calling someone's theory pointless is the definition of a red herring

[grizzled fog]

uh no it’s not

[cedar sinew]

Again, all I'm saying is that the fact that something is unknown to us isn't a valid evidence to push any claim. It's unknown to us if Sanji has coc, that means absolutely nothing. Why not try to form a more constructive argument

[sonic plaza]

the argument is far from perfect

but, it is a possibility, even though slim and i provided some reasoning

[cedar sinew]

what was the reasoning you provided?

that he could've awakened it during his fight with Aokiji?

[sonic plaza]

1. Because was the previous Fleet Admiral and had it then it is likely that becoming fleet admiral could require having coc

• also, oda often has done this with Luffy and Zoro too
  • Roger and Rayleigh both had coc, and now Luffy and Zoro have it. It's a parallel between antecedents

2. if Akainu will actually be a serious threat in the future to Luffy, him having adv coc would put them on a more even playing field

[grizzled fog]

1. As for this, if coc is a requirement then that means Kong and Aokiji both also have it, since Aokiji was prime candidate for the position and only didn’t get it because he lost the fight

[dusky acorn]

The first point would assume it's likely Aokiji also has conqeurors? That seems a bit too much

Akainu awakening it in his fight with Aokiji would also mean he's a very late bloomer, which is pretty unprecedented out of the data we have

Many conqeuror users awaken it as kids, teens, or in their 20s from what we seen

[visual merlin]

well what happens if none of the 3 admirals have CoC

[cedar sinew]

Becoming fleet admiral has nothing to do with CoC. It's not like the marines go "oh ye, you have coc! That's a check off the requirement". It just happens to be that the fighters and the leaders that make it to the top are often times CoC users I assume (battle of the fittest), which is also why Sengoku had it. This would also mean that every single fleet admiral contender including Aokiji would've had to have CoC, which is again unlikely.

There's no parallel with zoro/luffy and roger/rayleigh and Akainu having CoC. If anything it'd be someone like Koby as he's more relevant to Zoro and Luffy's generation while Sengoku/Akainu are more relevant to Rogers.

Characters can be threats without having CoC @sonic plaza

[tropic cape]

i think the second point is the best point. as of right now it’s hard to imagine abilities outside advanced coc that could compete with luffy after the wano arc.

[sonic plaza]

the first point was just a faulty analogy in my opinion, but it still could be the case

• in terms of insanely strong ppl without coc, the only one that we have seen so far is garp

[cedar sinew]

blackbeard could not have coc and easily compete with Luffy

[tropic cape]

a very special exception

[sonic plaza]

bb is not a normal person

[tropic cape]

his fruit was built for df users

[cedar sinew]

neither is Akainu

[visual merlin]

there's a lot of strong people who aren't confirmed to have Coc

[cedar sinew]

Akainu doesnt have to go 1v1 with Luffy

it could be Akainu + other admirals vs Luffy

if you REALLY want to make it a challenge

[tropic cape]

true but using the data in every arc in one piece it generally boils down to a 1v1

[cedar sinew]

mihawk?

and again, blackbeard

[sonic plaza]

i think he has coc tho

[cedar sinew]

well we don't know

so you can't assume that to fit your argument

[tropic cape]

we shouldn’t assume he doesn’t have it either

[sonic plaza]

i am just saying, the only way for him to really be the world strongest swordsman would be for him to imbue coc in his sword

[visual merlin]

yea, so we can't use it either way

[sonic plaza]

mihawk has a much more likely chance to have it than akainu

[visual merlin]

why do you think so?

CoC coating isn't a requirement to get to any level

[cedar sinew]

We should assume the normal until proven otherwise. That's how logic works.

[tropic cape]

we should just be able to fluidly talk about either outcome, but no solid theory will come upon hinging your bets on blackbeard, mihawk, anyone else having coc

[sonic plaza]

kaido, BM, WB, and Roger were all very strong sword wielders because of advanced coc

[tropic cape]

the normal is primary/secondary characters being stronger as the anime carries on right?

[visual merlin]

the point was we can't use an assumption (Mihawk having CoC) as evidence for a point

[visual merlin]

kaido does not wield a sword. But yes they are all very strong, not just due to advanced Coc though

they have plenty other things that make them as strong as they are

[grizzled fog]

They were strong without coc, that was one of many things that made them strong, also Mihawk doesn’t have to be at their level

[cedar sinew]

Wb was strong in MF without applying CoC

[visual merlin]

Big mom used her first Coc coated move a few chapters ago

[sonic plaza]

there are a billion times better arguments for mihawk having coc tho

[grizzled fog]

Not really

[tropic cape]

logically characters grow stronger as a series continues. applying data solely from one piece is the logical flaw

[cedar sinew]

what?

I have absolutely no idea what that sentence means

can you rephrase it

[tropic cape]

one piece will inevitably change as a series as it continues

that’s why everyone’s generally wrong in these threads

[cedar sinew]

and how does that disprove the fact that you can't assume Mihawk has CoC to fit your theory?

[sonic plaza]

the best argument for Mihawk is that:

• isnt it odd that he can cross the grand line and calm belt in a little raft without taking a scratch from sea kings
• coc haki is the best explanation

[grizzled fog]

Applying data only from one piece is a flaw? What? No one piece is one piece, it’s not some other series lol, you shouldn’t use other series as evidence for an in universe explanation

[cedar sinew]

no it's not odd at all

[visual merlin]

Being strong is the best explanation

[cedar sinew]

he cuts the sea kings

[visual merlin]

and you don't need Coc coating to be strong

[cedar sinew]

easy explanation

[tropic cape]

let’s rephrase you can’t “presume” mihawk has coc, but sure you can totally “assume” it

[visual merlin]

you can't assume it, certainly not to use it as evidence

[tropic cape]

well assuming is making a claim without a basis

[cedar sinew]

it's an assumption based on nothing. Theories built on baseless assumptions are bound to be weak.

[grizzled fog]

1. Not at all? Lmfao there’s plenty of way weaker characters that can do that, we don’t see many particularly strong sea kings, certainly not on the surface.
   2.best explanation for what? Being strong? No, there’s plenty of other things that make people strong

[tropic cape]

yes

[tropic cape]

applying data from exclusively one piece which a lot of the time acts like series progression isn’t a thing

[sonic plaza]

"NOTHING" - LOL

[visual merlin]

what are we supposed to apply data from

[grizzled fog]

Well we aren’t gonna use other series for evidence lol

[tropic cape]

things that produce data?

[visual merlin]

like?

[cedar sinew]

"he's strong so mihawk must have coc"

"he's strong so akainu must have coc"

that's what both of your aruguments boil down to

[sonic plaza]

no

[tropic cape]

if we’re talking about literary stories then all literary stories

[visual merlin]

yea Im not going to get my theories or takes for one piece from other series

[sonic plaza]

for both of these questions, there are literally only 2 possibilities, yes or no, its simple

[visual merlin]

one piece can change or whatever your point is, doesn't make it wrong to not assume things especially when you're using it as evidence for a point

[sonic plaza]

both sides are possible and non-baseless ev. + reasoning can support both

[cedar sinew]

dude there is no series progression. You're making it to be way more complicated than it needs to be. There's been no indications that Mihawk has conqueror, it doens't mean that he CAN'T have CoC, he can of course, but using that assumption as the basis for your strongest argument to support a theory is just a weak argument. Not sure how you can disagree with that. @tropic cape

[tropic cape]

one piece is so popular because widespread principles of storytelling, world building, writing, etc have been combined into a great piece of literary work. accurate predictions use principles from a wide range of literary works and apply them to current works like one piece because one piece was ~inspired~ by other things

[visual merlin]

I don't get what you expect, we're supposed to be fine with someone assuming mihawk and others have CoC for their point because

one piece changes?

and we should "apply data" from other series?

[cedar sinew]

they're possible but they have weak reasoning. All the points you've said thus far have been shot down

[tropic cape]

i don’t think i’m making the claim you think i’m making. i made no argument for mihawk having anything. i just said both arguments for him having and not having it are weak. you can assume one way or another but they’re both assumptions

[sonic plaza]

all you offered was an alternate explanation. you did not discredit my points

[visual merlin]

or, you just don't assume

and don't use it as evidence

[cedar sinew]

example: Mihawk crosses the calm belt because he's stronger, this doesn't mean that he has CoC

no all the connections you're making is just false. You assume that for one thing to be true, the other must be as well. Crossing the calm belt has nothing to do with CoC

[tropic cape]

yeah assumptions aren’t productive

[visual merlin]

which was the point the whole time, I don't think mai was saying we should assume he lacks it

[cedar sinew]

^

my point the whole time is that it's pointless to argue about something that has no basis

it just goes in circles

with no reasoning

[tropic cape]

well i think we were having two different arguments tbh. i’m not supporting bandit55. i just don’t think we should assume one way or the other.

[sonic plaza]

i had reasoning, not strong reasoning, but it was reasoning

[visual merlin]

we agree Jott

[sonic plaza]

theories are all about assumptions, but i agree to the fact that truly assuming one side is wrong

[cedar sinew]

yeah. I just think they're weak enough to be non-substantial. But you're free to believe as you wish ofc

[visual merlin]

theories aren't about assumptions though, at best those just tend to make bad theories

[cedar sinew]

Productive theories are more about interpretations and connecting them to form a claim. People have different interpretations of certain moments, developments, and panels and lead to different results. I think they're much more interesting than basing your theory off of assumptions.

[sonic plaza]

Theorizing is all about speculation

which means:
a : to meditate on or ponder a subject : reflect
b : to review something idly or casually and often inconclusively

my intentions from the start were to just reflect and ponder about one side of the topic, not to immediately assume something that sounds illogical

if that is the way that you perceived my comments, i will inform you that you are mistaken

[modest skiff]

Is it that the mere uttering of a not fully substantiated theory is not allowed in this channel?

Its honestly not clear to me how "good" a theory is supposed to be before it can be posted. It seems totally all over the place as to what the rules are, if there are any? Or if its just that people get bent out of shape when they think something doesn't make much sense

[cedar sinew]

As long as it's not a complete shitpost, any theory is allowed here @modest skiff

[visual merlin]

Yea, serious theory, not necessarily good

[cedar sinew]

and everyone is free to elaborate or criticize on the posted theories as they wish

[sonic plaza]

thank you

[modest skiff]

Ok, so then just to be clear, you aren't saying the CoC theory is disallowed, you're just saying you don't think its particularly well substantiated?

I'm new to the channel so just trying to make sure i play by the rules 🙂

[cedar sinew]

yeah. I think it's a poor theory with a weak basis.

But they're totally fine to be posted

[sonic plaza]

well, here is an example of a shitpost - DOWN D STAIRS HAS COC HAKI CONFIRMED!!!!!!!!!!

[cedar sinew]

As long as you're serious and on topic, no need to worry about the rules

[slim ravine]

I believe the reason Zoro’s eye is closed goes back to actual pirate history. Pirates would wear eye patches so that one of their eyes would be adjusted to the dark when they went below deck. I feel this comes in to play with the strawhats inevitable fight with Blackbeard. That eye could allow Zoro to see through even Blackbeards darkness. People have probably said this before, but I just thought about it.

[pure raven]

We need an update on buggy

[sonic plaza]

we should get one during the next interlude

[narrow tulip]

he's currently looking for the one piece

[serene pulsar]

You know what makes even less sense than a poorly written theory? Littering the theory chat with your own personal opinions of what a theory is.

[tender drift]

wait where can i find the leaks

[solar fable]

best one piece theory, luffy dies (eventually)

[dark palm]

good thing nobody is doing that 👍

and I don't think luffy is gonna die

[dense wing]

I can see an epilogue-like timeskip which ends in older Luffy’s death

But I doubt he’s dying during main story events, or being executed in a mirror way to Roger

[terse plover]

You can just google the leaks and there will most likely be a reddit post with the leaks at the top!

[spare spire]

Why did sudden talk of Luffy's death? What did I miss

[hollow dawn]

at the end of One Piece i guess there's not gonna be Marines anymore, so... who's going to execute him?

[cedar sinew]

there will be Marines

or else society doesn't function

[dense wing]

I would predict there would be Marines, just without the WG

Or a new reformed WG but I doubt it

I think the Marines will remain a roaming police force

Not ruling or governing islands but helping them from evildoers

With Coby as one of their admirals

[hollow dawn]

I mean, if they defeat the World Government, i don't think there's gonna be a new kind of marine that execute people

[modest skiff]

And I think this is why Garp is where he is

[hollow dawn]

well. that makes sense

[grizzled fog]

I mean the new government probably will still execute people like pirates similarly, that’s not the bad part of the current World Government

[hollow dawn]

the thing with Luffy is that he's not like other pirates. Maybe at the end of One Piece it'll be like "ok. you helped a lot of kingdoms and that, you ended with all the corruption into the marines and the WG, etc etc... but we can't let you go like that"

and it's gonna be like Garp with Luffy in Water 7

[grizzled fog]

They aren’t just gonna pardon or something yea, or even if they did he’s gonna keep being a pirate.
A better example would be Shells Town, out of gratitude and respect for Luffy liberating them from Captain Morgans, the marines let him leave and saluted him, but they still reported him, luffy would probably not be hunted immediately after a war or something, but he’d still be deemed a criminal for sure and chased later.

[modest skiff]

My assumption is that by the end of one piece the navy will be on Luffy's side against either another Navy faction or just the celestial dragons

Like i don't think Luffy's job is over until the entire celestial dragons system and everything they have is destroyed

[grizzled fog]

Yes they might work together against a common enemy, (not all the navy obviously), but I highly highly doubt whatever new Navy/Gov there is by the end of the series is gonna be allied with luffy, he’s still gonna be a pirate, and they’re still gonna view him as a criminal

[modest skiff]

Yeah, I could see that being the case. The way I've imagined it is the new world government would be much more hands off. And TBH, Luffy's Navy ain't small at this point. 5000 ain't small. Soon to be allied with Wano. Curious what will come of BM's empire in the coming chapters. Clearly tough to say what will happen, but I could imagine a scenario where Luffy's alliances get big enough that they essentially become a government on accident but much more "spread out"

Sanji's almost-love with Pudding also makes me really hope Luffy somehow ends up allying with BM.

[hollow dawn]

yep. And we actually have a neo.marines. The Spades with X-Drake, Coby, Helmeppo, Garp. So maybe the make a new marine, a good one

[modest skiff]

I can imagine how after Xebec, Garp strongly believed there needed to be an overall world government, but perhaps there will be a way to keep order while preserving freedom

[echo sage]

Chapter 1014 we will see Sanji face off against the King and Queen

[pure raven]

I just hope we will see where Luffy ends up in 1014

[snow cloak]

I mean at this point we all know that luffy is going to fight akainu.It will be pretty dif if akainu and luffy joined forces to fight bb and also akoji is in s.w.o.r.d.akainu and akojii came into a mutual understanding in their fight and akojii left in an understanding with akainu.I mean akojii is pretty lethogic.It will be fun this way

[slim sedge]

In the sea

[weary cliff]

Its intentionally unclear to build tension. Last we saw, Onigashima was over the sea. Could fall on mainland Wano. Might land on a conveniently placed ship. Insert character here could catch him (Carrot, Sanji, Yamato, etc). I hope the cliffhanger is actually resolved

[slim sedge]

Wouldnt that be a sad thing

[pure raven]

i believe that the One Piece treasure is not something physical

and I think that people like Shanks and Luffy already have it

[weary cliff]

Oda has gone on record to say that the One Piece isn't something conceptual

[tidal scarab]

Oda has gone on record with breaks

[modest skiff]

Just to be clear I didn't miss anything, people with "D" in their name don't even know how the D got there, right? lol

My assumption this whole time has been that it stands for devil and is related to "devils" like robin who studied the forbidden language and that they are somehow the descendants of whoever the navy fought the war against. But then I realized since most people don't have middle initials, the whole thing is weird lol

[scarlet summit]

D - Destroyer of the Red Line

😂😂

[cedar sinew]

we don't know who they are yeah. The most common theory is that they were part of the Ancient Kingdom

[modest skiff]

yeah, that much seems clear, I just think its so funny that Luffy is like "I am Monkey D Luffy. Literally no idea why that D is there."

[scarlet summit]

D - Destined to Destroy D reD line and re D. haired shanks has the last poneglyph

[weary cliff]

It's not all that strange if you grew up with it. Just another part of your name, which is already an abstract concept thrust upon children that they accept wholly

[pure raven]

None of them seem to be very interested in finding out what the D is anyways except for law I think

[sonic plaza]

robin is

[weary cliff]

But of the actual will of D inheritors, Law seems to be alone

[pseudo citrus]

the heavenly dragons are aware of the will of D, right? it seems weird that they'd let garp be a marine given his family and him being a D

[modest skiff]

Well whatever the will of D is, it isn't something that warrants killing apparently, since lots of people with D are allowed to stay alive. Its not clear why D people are extremely known and feared but that it doesn't make sense to just kill them

[pure raven]

I also think that’s weird that the “gods” let their natural enemy among their fighting force, it might be cause he’s strong and has and will fight for them. Like every D member we have seen seems to be wicked strong so prolly better to have them on your side than not and just go around trying to kill them. They wouldn’t be easy to kill ya kno

[modest skiff]

I think its possible something happened such that they aren't worried he'll turn on them. Whatever it is that happened a long time ago, it made Garp who he is today, someone willing to watch Ace be executed for the good of society

[raven stratus]

doubt anything about garp gets revealed, i think its simply he thought ace was a criminal (which he was) and believes in justice, but fair justice. he reminds me of a court judge that might recuse themselves of a case bc of some relation

[pure raven]

That’s was messed up that garp had to watch that, I wish they woulda showed him take on Akainu for a bit tho would be nice to see what kinda damage he could in his old age. He himself seemed sure he could kill him

[hidden tinsel]

Was watching Dresrossa arc and Zoro in the middle white cat/tiger?

Luffy in the koi outfit, Kinnemon in the frog

[cedar sinew]

yes

what about it

[hidden tinsel]

Saying white tiger rivals the dragon

Sorry, forgot what I was trying to get at
Dismiss this

[pure raven]

`

[cedar sinew]

I think they're just costumes. Not much to go off of

[pure raven]

Luffy in Koi because he fights Kaido confirmed

[idle meadow]

For luffy falling; Momo could scream to yamato that he can hear luffy falling, and then, yamato turns to her devil fruit and save him.

[fringe tide]

Wouldve been better if zoro was the frog since both mihawk/zoro usually says youre a big frog in a small pond or something like that

[scarlet cedar]

i'm pretty sure that you didnt think about this thing

Do you remember gaimon?

What if the one piece it's something like that? Joy boy or something close to him that has the mission to tell the story of the empty century

that's why roger laughted and tell him (probably joy) "I would wish to live in your era, Joy Boy

i'm 100% sure that you forgot him and never think that it would be a master play of oda

[eager trout]

where do you guys think zunisha is heading ? to laugh tale ?

[pure raven]

Onigashima

[eager trout]

i doubt it's onigashima, maybe a place where the red line was previous on ?

[weary cliff]

Zunisha has been walking in circles probably. If she were going in a straight line, she'd surely have gone around the globe already

[eager trout]

if zunisha hadn't zoro sense of orientation it would be the pirate king

[pure raven]

I reckon Zunisha had a contract with the Amatsuki family and that's why Momo can command her

[eager trout]

or maybe the amatuski family are the ones that put a course on him forcing him to be their "slave"

[pure raven]

That's exactly what I said

[eager trout]

you said contract, it's different from a course

[pure raven]

Oh you mean curse

[eager trout]

sentence

zunisha was sentenced*

[pure raven]

It said 'course' so I thought you were agreeing with me that Zunisha had a contract with the Amatsuki family and they ordered him to walk because shit started to go down in the void century

('ordered him to walk = put a course on him' is how I interpreted that one)

[eager trout]

a contract it's a 50% 50% thing, what zunisha is having is a punishment

[pure raven]

Contracts aren't necessarily 50-50

They're more often skewed in some party's favour than an equal split

[pure raven]

What does this mean btw? sounds interesting

[eager trout]

but i doubt it's a contract betwen zunisha it's definitely more like a sentence for live

[eager trout]

the red line was man made, maybe in the land ( or water ) that was on the grand line there was some island

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/gqdcrm/i_think_i_know_why_zunesha_was_cursed/

btw do you guys like the theory that the celestial dragon's came from the moon ?

[junior cape]

Meh

Pretty sure it was the winged humans who came from the moon.

Based on Enel's cover story

[junior cape]

Also it would make sense for the CDs to be human, completely, as they treat ALL semi-humans much worse than regular humans. Even though that isnt saying much...

[cedar sinew]

the only thing that really supports the moon theory are the suits they wear

but other than that CDs are just the descendants of the 20 kingdoms that rebelled. Feels weird for them to all collectively invade Earth from the moon like some alien invasion

[queen arrow]

making them anything more than regular humans would ruin the point

they aren't anything special like they think they are

[junior cape]

Yeah. They're regular humans with sudo-godly authority.

[queen arrow]

also we know why they wear "space suits", it's to "not breath the same air as common folk"

so there's absolutely nothing in favor of them being from space in any capacity

[junior cape]

Yeah.

The only reason they're still in power is because they hold some secret of the world that would ruin them should it get out. Im, that shadowy guy the 5 elders report to, probably keeps it that way for his own benefit.

[slim ravine]

I think that God Valley was home to the Earth Earth Fruit and the Water Water Fruit. I believe the fight over the control of these devil fruits is the reason that Roger and Garp fought the Rocks Pirates on that island. Based on that, I believe that Garp took both the fruits back to Mariejois. Roger’s crew thus far seems to have no use for Devil Fruits, so I couldn’t imagine either of them going with him. Once Garp brought back the fruits I imagine that the Water Water fruit was meant for Imu, since their name backwards is Ocean in Japanese. The Earth Earth Fruit was meant for someone else, likely someone we haven’t been introduced to. I believe when Garp brought the Fruits back, his son Dragon “pulled a Luffy” and ate the Water Water Fruit on accident. It draws a nice parallel to Luffy and it explains all his abilities; Rain, Wind, Lightening. It also explains why he is considered the “Worlds Worst Criminal”. That power, on top of the fact that he “stole” the fruit, would add to why the Government classifies him as such.

Beyond the fruits current users, I believe these fruits were used to flood the earth using the Water Water Fruit and divide it with the Red Line using the Earth Earth Fruit. It explains why many islands look like the tops of Mountains, God Valley specifically. God Valley was likely the tallest mountain at one point making these two fruits the hardest to attain. After Dragon got the Water Water Fruit, Imu likely consumed the Earth Earth Fruit and sunk the island in an attempt prevent people from finding the fruits when either fruit ever returned to circulation. Now, to defend Dragon having the Water Water fruit because we have been here before, I have this to say. If Dragon had the “Wind Wind Fruit” like so many of you love to believe, why wouldn’t Oda have said anything? It is very obvious that he can control wind, yet it’s purposely never confirmed. Oda wouldn’t just give Dragon a predictable fruit only to keep it a secret. It’s a secret for a reason. Also, a wind wind fruit is essentially a limited version of Cesar Clown. Moving wind would require manipulating air, which is a gas, which Cesar controls. Manipulating wind, rain, and lightening can all be done with Water. Conclusion, Dragon has the Water Water Fruit, Imu has the Earth Earth Fruit, both spawn on God Valley, and both were used to reshape the Earth during the Void Century.

[pure raven]

Imu's name is イム. Backwards it would be ムイ Mui. We've never seen Dragon manipulate water. Earth-Earth (Asu-Asu no Mi) sounds cool but remember that the One Piece universe has no concept of 'Earth'. The world is nameless. Fruits also supposedly spawn at random.

Why does Dragon even need an overpowered fruit? He leads an army of powerful combatants whose main goal is to overthrow the CDs (hence worst criminal). Also I doubt Oda would just throw in somebody we've never met before to have such an important fruit.

Dragon I think has some kinda power, those storms that appear with him are just too much to ignore

He might even have an ancient weapon

[weak arrow]

Earth is definitely sort of a concept just based off of skypeia ‘s “vearth” also Imu is definitely going to have some crazy fruit. I don’t agree with this theory but it’s certainly possible. Although I certainly don’t believe dragon has a water fruit.

[queen arrow]

i'm too tired to shit on the idea of a Water-Water Fruit again

i'm just going to say that Oda already used the Water-Water naming scheme for a lot of shit in Water 7, so i'm pretty confident we won't see a fruit centered on that

[weak arrow]

There’s nothing inherently wrong with the idea of a water fruit. The only real argument against it in my eyes of it being way too perfect of a fruit for who I view as the final boss of the series to have

[queen arrow]

also saying "why hasn't Oda confirmed that Dragon has a wind-wind fruit" doesn't work when Oda still hasn't revealed devil fruit powers that are way more "obvious" than Dragon's fruit

like Kid and Apoo still don't have their fruit name revealed and their powers and the fact that they have them are straight up on your face

and it being a limited version of Caesar's power doesn't mean anything since that's already a thing in the series

Imu eating the "Earth Earth Fruit" in this scenario also requires him to be way younger than he apparently is, being King of the World and having the 20 Kings and all the kingdoms of the WG swear alligeance to him even if unknowngly

[weak arrow]

Tbf we just assume Imu has been alive a long while instead of just being a specific celestial dragon lineage that has succession, which is certainly possible.

[queen arrow]

fair point

also i don't like the idea of the Red Line or any other weird geography thing about the world being made by someone

it takes away the magic of it being a fictional world with 15km whales and stuff

[sand sail]

Yeh, there's no real age problem here. Imu could legitimately be a 20 year old ruler, just specially chosen

[queen arrow]

Imu didn't stab through Vivi's picture did he?

this idea that Adam said gives me an interesting thought about that

[weak arrow]

He did not, only bb Luffy and shirahoshi

[dark palm]

@river plaza that stems from a mis-translation

[river plaza]

Ahh I see :'3

[modest skiff]

I think she is going in circles due to betraying people of D

[teal nymph]

do we know if anyone of the fleet admiral/admiral/garp/sengoku have conquers haki?

or any marine in general

[grizzled fog]

Sengoku is the only confirmed marine to have coc as of now

[teal nymph]

have we seen it in action ?

[mystic crown]

No

[teal nymph]

he should have use it during the war , could have taken out a lot of pirate fodder

he could have done a lot more than what luffy did on FMI

[queen arrow]

maybe the guys fighting under Whitebeard aren't as weak as the Fishman who where forced to work under Hody

[grizzled fog]

Well we know at least some of whitebeard’s fodder would get knocked out based on when shanks used it, although an impressive number of total nobodies were fine then

[celest mica]

Garp also have conq haki, when he saw luffy use it in the war he said something like " it seems he inherited it"

[gloomy canyon]

He doesn't say inherit

He says "so you were born with it"

Garp is not confirmed to have CoC at all

[dusky acorn]

This may or may not be a hot take, but I dislike how extreme both sides of the debate to the whole coc genetic or not happen to be, at least from what I've seen. There could easily be some sort of middle ground instead, where a parent happening to be a coc user helps the chances of their kid also having it, even if just by a little bit compared to what the lottery normally is. Hard to imagine it not being a factor whatsoever, considering it's a solely birthright phenomenon. But yeah, doesn't have to be some definitive thing black/white thing at all.

[pastel summit]

I mean sure, but there's only 1 of BM's kids who has it. I guess more could have it but never manifest it, but it's just... very odd. There's reason to believe it can be hereditary (Roger -> Ace, Dragon -> Luffy) as well as it being something you are born with, thus your genetics should influence it in some way, but then there's BM, with 85 kids, and only 1 confirmed user there.

[worldly anvil]

hmm Isn't CoC the one that need the most stress?

Katakuri been through some stressful shit so yea

but I don't think it's genetic so yea

[pastel summit]

nothing regarding stress has been mentioned in regards to CoC I don't think.

[worldly anvil]

Reason I said it, at the start, Luffy first and second CoC burst was due to stress

Ace first one was due to stress too

[pastel summit]

luffy first use wasn't stress related at all

at least if we're going off 1st use being on motobaro

[worldly anvil]

oh shit I forget about motobaro lmao

[dusky acorn]

Yeah I think one or two more for Big Mom's kids could have manifested it, that are just currently unknown. Important to bear in mind a good chunk of BMs children were still pretty young too, so there could be some unawakened CoCs like a kid Shanks during his time on Roger's ship type situation

I think Big Mom already nailing a 1/85 is lucky enough though. All that means to me is it at isn't factored by genetics to a great degree if it is at all, but just boosted a tiny bit at most, which is what I at least want to push

[pure raven]

Or maybe smth to 1st child ?
As katakuri is one of the pair of triplets right?

And luffy only son of dragon who is only son of garp

Ace only son of roger

[worldly anvil]

Perospero is the oldest son so no

[teal nymph]

but is also weird that none of the top admirals (akainu, kizaru , etc ) have been shown to have CoC . Wouldn't the WG want more ppl in their ranks that can counter CoC with their own ?

[cyan berry]

not really

there's an easy way to counter CoC

Just have enough willpower to do something

Also a CoC clash between an Admiral and anyone else would still knock out any weaker marines in the vicinity

[teal nymph]

the same would happen to the weaker members of the pirate crew

[cyan berry]

weaker members on a pirate crew wouldn't affect the fight that much anyway

what would they do against a man who can turn himself into magma or have a meteor drop on their head?

[supple nimbus]

That's to bring out other types of Haki, like we saw in Coby (Koby?) CoC has been explicitly stated by Rayleigh to be impossible to inculcate unless latently present.

[supple nimbus]

Sengoku does have CoC, and about the others, there hasn't been any word explicitly telling us yes or no, so the jury's still out on that.

[supple nimbus]

I think it's that it's easier for the child of a ruler/king to posses the qualities of a king, the same way it is easier for a painter's child to be an artist. I think that's the only way genetics plays a part in CoC. Otherwise a large percent of BM's children must've had it......

[teal nymph]

a large % of BM 's children should have CoC as BM has it (if genetics plays a part in CoC)

[dusky acorn]

This is what I meant about taking it too far to the extreme. That's not the only scenario where genes might influence it, not does it debunk the entire possibility.
Having CoC is already a one in several million thing. The only thing I'm coining is the possibility of reducing that to say, a 1 in hundreds of thousand or so chance or something. If that was the case, Katakuri being the only one with it is still absurdly lucky given the still exceedingly rare chance

[teal nymph]

exactly . i was just try to debunk @supple nimbus statement

[dusky acorn]

Oh ok sorry, didn't know you weren't talking to me or I wouldn't have came down on you like that, mb

Those are my final thoughts on the matter anyway though

[teal nymph]

👍

[maiden terrace]

Shanks went to Kaido and stopped him from coming at MF

But he's always talking about BB

Can't Shanks just go to BB and just beat him, if he's such a threat to the world? Wouldn't this imply that BB is stronger than Kaido since Shanks is apprehensive about going to BB

[supple nimbus]

Debunk? I'm literally trying to imply what you're saying........

Genetics plays little part if at all in CoC

All I said was it would be easier to inherit the qualities of a king from someone who displays it, when you're around them, you don't even need to be related to them, and mind you not everyone who displays the qualities of a king have CoC, in which case Cobra and Riku should've also had CoC

[amber oar]

This is not true, genetics aren't that straight up

Even IRL, there are genetic traits that disappear and show up a few generations later

[dense wing]

@pure raven Serious theories only, it’s in channel info

[pure raven]

Okay

[lucid flare]

Don Quixote, also spelled Don Quijote, 17th-century Spanish literary character, the protagonist of the novel Don Quixote by Miguel de Cervantes. The book, originally published in Spanish in two parts (1605, 1615), concerns the eponymous would-be knight errant whose delusions of grandeur make him the butt of many practical jokes.

[little kelp]

how soon do you guys think we'll see the Final War arc?

[lucid flare]

oda implying that doffy wasmt actully the king

[pure raven]

One of the great literary works in history

[amber oar]

Don Quixote was the first weeb

[modest skiff]

yeah this is the part that makes me have a hard time with the random component. Overall I think we simply know too little to theorize about the requirements for CoC

[worthy belfry]

coc is owned by people who can make independent decisions , like zoro , katakuri ,rayleigh, they all follows captains orders but whenever required they can make their own decision and lead the team

Hey anyone wanna discuss the redline being onepiece theory

[grizzled fog]

Making independent decisions is definitely not a particularly high bar, not a great way to sum up the requirements honestly

Oda just needs to explain the “qualities of a king” properly, we’d have a much clearer picture then

[polar bison]

just bc cobra and riku are kings doesn’t mean they have the qualities associated with CoC. it’s the disposition to stand above others, that of a conquering king. that’s what the “Hao” in Haoshoku specifically refers to. Neither of them resemble that vibe, so it’s consistent

[sonic plaza]

what if raftel is under or over reverse mountain

i find it strange that the poneglyphs give "instructions" on how to get there, and if raftel is just on an island randomly in the New World between Reverse Mountain and Lodestar, then I think it is crazy that no yonko crew has just randomly found it sailing in the New World.

so i think it is hidden and the poneglyphs tell you the secret of how to find it

and reverse mountain is the first and last stop of the grand line, so it would make sense being the final "island"

[grim oyster]

The main base of the revolutionary army was not even on a map until Burgess followed them there, I see that it’s possible that it might just be an island, I personally think that it’s under water and you make the island surface somehow

[weary cliff]

Needing road poneglyphs to pinpoint reverse mountain would be pretty lame

[grim oyster]

In the flashback oden was on Rafael, it didn’t look like it was underground of red like the red line

[crude spear]

So here's my theory about kaido, and really just the fighting in general: Kaido to me is someone who appears strong, but really that's only because he has a good weapon, and appears to be nigh untouchable thanks to haki or so.

So then that makes me think: "how do you break haki?" We already got haki itself as a way to beat logia devil fruit. So the next logical step would be beating that then. That's how kaido, and really anyone, is going to be beaten.

[rotund shard]

When do you guys think wano act 3 will end?

[crude spear]

And as for Luffy, I have no doubt he's going to beat kaido eventually, most likely with help from someone, probably Zoro. I mean the man's already had his "I'm you, but stronger" fight with katakuri and won that.

[weary cliff]

CoC is probably going to be the top level power. If there were another power system, we'd have seen it with the last generation

[crude spear]

Hmm that's fair. I still think it's something that could be beaten somehow otherwise what, we just gonna always get the shit like what happened when kaido and big mom clashed

unless of course that's a special case due to them being top level powers

maybe at the very least we'll see a combo of haki that can break COA

[dense wing]

@dusk willow not the channel for that

[dusk willow]

for what?

[dense wing]

Greetings and such

You can read every channel’s purpose in #old-channel-info @dusk willow

[wicked cairn]

do you know what the BB pirates are now in the new world? i dont know i don't see it being favorable for any other pirate crew, yonko or not, to go all in with the BB pirates

[grizzled fog]

Kaido wasn’t in his home territory when shanks stopped him, and kaido also very likely didn’t have his crew, intercepting Kaido alone is wayyyy different from waging war on a 30,000 strong yonko crew in one of the most naturally protected lands in the world (wano). And as for shanks going to BB, it’s been mentioned before that the yonko are basically in deadlock, if one yonko takes another down, the battle would be so great they’d end up crippling their own forces, even if they win, making themselves vulnerable to the other yonko. HOWEVER if kaido And BM are taken down in wano, that could eliminate that issue, which might even prompt shanks to attack Bb, although I doubt it

[dense wing]

Do you believe Kaido was flying alone to MF Vem? I think there’s a possibility

[grizzled fog]

Yes i do

[dense wing]

Though it depends how on board the Calamaties and Tobi Roppo would be in following their captain to suicidal war

[grizzled fog]

I think it makes more sense for Kaido to just fly there solo, at most maybe King or some others were there but I doubt he brought his whole ass army

[dense wing]

Makes it easier for Shanks to intercept and convince only him to leave

[grizzled fog]

Yea

[maiden terrace]

I see makes sense

[junior cape]

Yep. Conquerer's Haki could also be a Regressive trait, which for those of you who don't remember High School Biology, would mean it's impossible to obtain if only one parent has it. Remember, it's something like 1 in a million to have it, definitely not common except on the Grand Line.

[teal nymph]

if CoC is a Regressive trait then shouldn't garp , his wife have it for Dragon to even have a chance of having it ? then luffy's mom also must have it in order for luffy to get it (which means Luffy is extreamly lucky ?)

[junior cape]

Not necessarily

Regressive traits can be passed down for a long time

Especially if everyone in the bloodline on one side just doesn't have it, or has one copy

If two people with the non-expressed version of the gene have a kid, there's only a ~25% chance of the kid getting it

[teal nymph]

the genetic part of CoC is very vague at best 😦

[junior cape]

Yeah

but we know it has one

So that's something

Also, since both men and women have it CH, it's most likely NOT on the Y chromosome

I don't have the knowledge or patience to explain why women with Y chroms exist, but they do, so move on

That being said, another supposed caveat for CH is that you need to have "The Quality of a King" in order to use it, so maybe it's not just having the genetic potential of expressed genes, but also other biological factors playing into it as well. We know that Luffy didn't start developing it until AFTER Thriller Bark, where he had to take command like he never had to before. Another example would be Doflamingo, who didn't develop it until he decided to get his revenge as brutally as possible.

The "Quality Of A King" may just be another way of saying a person needs to be genetically predisposed to it, though

[cedar sinew]

I think it has little to do with genetics and just happens by chance depending on the person you are

I don't see doffy's parents having CoC

[junior cape]

However, we can confirm that very few people develop it when they are not the leaders of something.

[teal nymph]

this seems true

[junior cape]

Again, recessive gene, unlikely to be expressed

The CDs are descended from 20 kings/queens who took over the world

I don't doubt that a few of them had CH

Also, they CDs are notoriously prideful, so inbreeding is definitely a thing up there in the holy land, which would explain Saint Charlos.

I mean, you can only go so long with a limited pool before everyone is your relative

So, the gene for CH would definitely get passed down there if anyone had it at the start

And to cap it off, none of the CDs actually try to RULE, they try to live lavish lives of no responsibility, so of course none of them have ever developed it.

Besides Doflamingo, maybe the 5 elders, and Imu is a blank slate.

[cedar sinew]

hm 🤔

you mean recessive genes right

[junior cape]

yes

[cedar sinew]

I actually sorta buy that

since it's been emphasized that you're inherently born with it. I think it makes some sense

[junior cape]

Yeah

Perhaps the original 20 rulers were massively powerful and influential due to their CH, we don't know.

What we do know, is that Doflamingo, a fallen CD, has CH, so therefore it has to have been passed down somehow.

Another thing, I wonder how "physical" the feeling of clashing with CH is. Like, is it like punching a brick wall, or a really dense pocket of air? We don't know.

Because if it's actually solid, then you could perhaps use it for propulsion

I mean, it's willpower first and foremost, making it come out of parts of your body isn't impossible

[junior cape]

Inb4 luffy survives by levitating with CH

[pure raven]

imu sama is the first pirate king ig and the big straw hat is his/her and imu is good person waiting for next joyboy . imu has some kinda DF which turns imu into giant ot something

just a wild guess/theory

[orchid glacier]

i think the east blue villains will return to the story

with the whole no more warlords, i think buggy will either
A. get captured, break out and team up with the east blue villains to return into the story
B. escape and ally up with shanks

if it is A, then off of what i know
arlong is in some prison (maybe impel down i’m too lazy to check) but arlong is in prison according to hachan

and buggy will break arlong out

next he will get alvida and while he’s at it, mr three and his crewmates out

gin is still alive and i believe kuro is also still alive (when luffy got his first bounty poster kuro reacted in the anime adaptation, idk about manga i didn’t read manga until wano)

i’m not sure about don krieg tho

he might break out don krieg if krieg is still alive

and i think kuro and gin will have powered up with a lil bit of haki

and they might come back into the story

arlong won’t have haki power up tho because he’s been in prison

this could stretch out a bit more if luffy was the one to break them out

like how he got buggy and mr 3 out while looking for ace

i’d like this a lot more than for kuro and gin being a mystery and we will never see them again

because canonically kuro and gin are alive

and arlong

but idk bout don krieg but idc about don krieg because he’s my least favorite character

[pure raven]

I think the arc is almost over

This chapter made it feel like the arc was about to hit the turn where luffy starts to beat up the villain.

I think act 3 is going to end with kinemon's death

which will be the tragedy

Luffy is going to come back and knock him silly though.. it's like Kaido is making some of the typical villain mistakes now discounting Luffy which will result in almost instant karma

[tame tendon]

but what the purpose for the main plot if they really comeback? would they gonna join the last war arc or what?

[orchid glacier]

maybe

it would just be nice if they weren’t completely forgotten (besides arlong)

especially with arlong and jimbei

arlong seeing that jimbei has directly served under a human being on the same ship as a crewmate and captain

[tame tendon]

Yeah, I think the same that if they gonna make a comeback it would be an epic war. But so far, Oda always did cover story before the reappearance of the character, especially the villains

[pure raven]

i think luffy may have the opportunity to go back to east blue before the war

i don't know if he will though

i think reverse mountain is going to be destroyed

and luffy will go through paradise again

[orchid glacier]

yeah

would the final war happen after luffy gets the one piece or before he gets it?

[pure raven]

after

[orchid glacier]

then yeah maybe he might go back to east blue

[tame tendon]

Yea, after

[pure raven]

well i think the one piece is going to be all the oceans all connected

so it'll technically be after

but he'll go to laughtale and stuff before

[tame tendon]

So luffy will revisit prev island just like Rogers did

[orchid glacier]

i read somewhere that the one piece could destroy the red line and fishman island, creating the all blue and going with madam sharleys prediction

[pure raven]

well luffy's final destination will be mary geoise

[tame tendon]

Its a Rokushikimaster's theory I think

[pure raven]

he'll have to sail all the way around to get there

[orchid glacier]

but to this i’d say why was roger too early

[pure raven]

probably collecting friends and stuff to help him

in paradise

it'd be cool if he went to east blue again too

i don't know if they'll add that but they should

[tame tendon]

Yea, but he wouldn't fight any consider that is the weakest area in one piece lol

[pure raven]

yea.. i think he'll mainly go to different places to collect allies and stuff

[tame tendon]

cz he should find poseidon and at that time she haven't born yet

[pure raven]

IF luffy returns to east blue on the way i think he'll die at the end of the story

[tame tendon]

why?

[pure raven]

well i think that it is a very popular idea he's going to die thematically because it's like he's supposed to be the person that smiles at death

[orchid glacier]

i personally want an end to the journey like after all the big war and stuff has happened, they will go back to east blue, and there will be a huge timeskip and it would re introduce characters like return to saboudy

[pure raven]

death and transformation... dying for your dream etc

has been a main narrative idea from the start

[orchid glacier]

i think luffy should die at the end of the story because otherwise things like ivankov treating luffy in impel would have felt like there was no negative effect at all in the end

[tame tendon]

the only clue that amplify luffy's death I think cz of magellan poison

[orchid glacier]

yeah

[pure raven]

i kind of want luffy to live cause it'd be incredibly sad to see him die.. he's such a character full of life .. but i really think death is in the cards for him

[orchid glacier]

i want to see him die so i can bawl my eyes out

[pure raven]

i just wonder who the final fight will be

will it be someone like akainu

[gloomy epoch]

bb

[pure raven]

or will Im be really strog

or bb... i could see bb being before the war too

[orchid glacier]

i feel like it would be akainu vs luffy and sabo and then luffy vs bb but that’s just me

[gloomy epoch]

imagine akainu kills sabo too

[orchid glacier]

like luffy would team with sabo to fight akainu, after akainu gets worn out a bit, luffy leaves akainu to sabo

[orchid glacier]

honestly i wouldn’t mind that

not like i hate sabo but i feel like it’s a good way to end sabo

[tame tendon]

If elbaf arc is happen, I guess bb will meet luffy there

[pure raven]

i want to see luffy reconnect with the people he's met

[orchid glacier]

ngl i hope oda goes insane with the final war and just kills off a bunch of people

[pure raven]

especially the villains.. i want to see redemption for doffy

doffys backstory was sad

[orchid glacier]

yeah doffy def gonna come back

[gloomy epoch]

he in impel down rn?

[pure raven]

yea

[orchid glacier]

he’s gonna get freed like croc

maybe bb

[pure raven]

i wonder how thats going to happen though

[tame tendon]

maybe doffy would reveal the national's treasure to luffy and then got killed by Im sama lol

[gloomy epoch]

we are on 80% of story and we know nothing about im lol

[pure raven]

i think the big hat that Im had was actually uranus

[orchid glacier]

doffy has so much information to reveal about the celestials and that just cannot go to waste

[pure raven]

i think uranus shows the biggest threats to a person

and hence showed a straw hat

[tame tendon]

I hope she wouldnt be the next kaguya haha

[gloomy epoch]

im is female?

[tame tendon]

idk, maybe

[pure raven]

if im is kaguya 2.0 oda is going to be murdered by fans

[tame tendon]

cz there is theory that Im is Joyboy wife

[orchid glacier]

im being luffy’s mom would make for a lot of comics like dragon and im going through divorce papers

if im was luffy’s mom

[gloomy epoch]

idk what to do if one piece ends with a garbage ending

[orchid glacier]

maybe joyboys wife

[pure raven]

well the one thing about one piece is the adventure has value on its on

like the crews interactions and stuff

no matter what the ending is.. it can't take that away

[orchid glacier]

if one piece had a garbage ending i’d be praying for oda’s survival

[gloomy epoch]

they will hate him? After 20 years of pure love?

[pure raven]

i mean, the worst character for me is sanji.. and i still like him.. oda did a good job making the crew

[orchid glacier]

some people are insane on the internet

[gloomy epoch]

kinda

[pure raven]

i wish sanji was a more complex character

[orchid glacier]

i was half joking but i do think he will get threats to change the ending

[pure raven]

i think he'd give up the all blue to see nami naked

[orchid glacier]

but this isn’t the chat for that

[gloomy epoch]

we know

cya later

[orchid glacier]

this is just real life theorizing instead of one piece theorizing

well my chats were at least

[tame tendon]

Sanji is the best character in disguise

[pure raven]

one piece fans are rather intense

[tame tendon]

even Oda use Sanji's eyebrows into his sign lol

[pure raven]

well if he's the best in disguise, i'd like to see him take off the disguise

i think he has a lot of potential

but everything always devolves into him having nosebleeds now

he was more tolerable before timeskip

[orchid glacier]

i liked how straight forward one piece was until im came and there’s just a lot of different potential with the inclusion of im

[tame tendon]

I think you cant take off the disguise, cz the disguise is the character itself

[orchid glacier]

i liked a lot of the straw hats pre timeskip

[pure raven]

well im kind of threw everything into chaos cause he's an unknown variable

or she

[orchid glacier]

mhm

[tame tendon]

For me, when he shout Robin asking for help is the best moment for sanji after timeskip

Oda make that paralel scene when sanji said "everyone has things that they can and cannot do" in enies lobby

[jolly hedge]

i don't know if anyone has think about this. gear 2 = blood upgrade, gear 3 = bone upgrade, gear 4 muscle upgrade, gear = combination of all of them

[quiet quiver]

This would be cool to see but wouldn't it be too taxing on his body

[teal nymph]

so maybe G5 can only last 5 minutes (max) and provide with a huge burst of power ?

[pure raven]

i want to see a form similar to g4 that he can stay in

[tame tendon]

Do you think G5 is coming earlier than the awakening or late?

[pure raven]

Maybe soon

I'd guess around 1017-1018?

[waxen dust]

G5 not happening this arc

[pure raven]

Cuz I guess 1014-1015 will involve luffy returning to kaido and other fights

1015-1016-1017 maybe gear 4 fight

and then in 1018 we see gear 4's third and final form ig?

No gear 5 in this arc ig

[teal nymph]

whenever it comes i hope it not something he learned in the flashback with rayleigh

[pure raven]

It will be lol

Gear 4's final form should be from rayleigh training cuz they do be themed on animals

[waxen dust]

I think Luffy defeating Kaido will focus on Conquerors Haki and maybe a sneak peak at his awakening

[teal nymph]

then y not use it till now -_-

[pure raven]

Huh?

[waxen dust]

Save G5 till time to fight Blackbeard

[pure raven]

we saw form 1 in doflamingo thing

we saw form 2 in big mom thing

so isn't it logical to see form 3 in kaido thing

[waxen dust]

We saw 2 forms at WCI

[pure raven]

wut

[teal nymph]

yes tank and snake man

[pure raven]

we saw form 1 at doflamingo

form 2 got introduced in big mom thing

but if you are talking about literal usage

then form 1 and 2 in big mom

[waxen dust]

If we get one more G4 form then let it be during Elbaf

[pure raven]

yea there will be 3

it was obvious from "something"

but i forgot what that something is 🤡

[waxen dust]

There is already 3 forms; (Bound, Tank, and Snake)

[pure raven]

wait what

aren't bound and tank the same thing

[waxen dust]

no

[teal nymph]

nope

[pure raven]

There are two till now afaik

balloon thing and snake thing

[waxen dust]

That’s why it’s called Tank Man and not Bound Man

[pure raven]

send pic cuz i forgot oof

[waxen dust]

google lol

[pure raven]

🤡

[teal nymph]

lol

[undone marten]

Imagine Dragon is Rogers Brother that would be Sick

[digital epoch]

I think G5 makes use OF the awakening

Does anyone share my idea that Lodestar, Godvalley, and Emerald City are all the same place?

[pure raven]

i think tigerman is going to defeat kaido

[humble salmon]

Did anyone see the massive theory?

[weary cliff]

I'll guess you mean about how morj made that video about the all blue theory? It's been a popular one since FMI days. I believe it

[empty nebula]

What all blue theory

[tribal shoal]

I Don't think the other fights will be that short

[pure raven]

This?
https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/ncbszg/one_peace_my_mega_theory_covering_just_about/

(1-2 hour read)

[humble salmon]

Yes

[pure raven]

Yeah I read it

I believe that it is nearly accurate

[humble salmon]

What do you think about it

[pure raven]

it is the truth imo

[humble salmon]

Which is better
Morj's or that one?

[pure raven]

I haven't watched Morj or anything but I can say that this theory is better and more accurate than any other theory that I've seen

BUT, Artur is doing a 8 episode mega series soon, so lets see what he has to say (he has been working on it since 2016)

[humble salmon]

Yeah with all the references to the weapons it has me sold

[pure raven]

And so many mythological stuff

[humble salmon]

I cant wait for the reveal

[pure raven]

after reading a bit I was like frick this read out loud go brrrr

reading all that myself was becoming a pain lmao

[humble salmon]

I have been obsessed with one piece for 2 months now

[pure raven]

lol

[humble salmon]

I have watched almost all the vids tekking has made

[pure raven]

who is that

[heady cairn]

There is a brazilian youtuber called Bruno Bandeira, he did a video about the unknown/lost century (I don't know how you call it) that makes a lot of sence, I don't know if the video has subtitles in English or other languages, but I like very much that video and If you want, I recomend it

[pure raven]

I don't like watching much

[heady cairn]

Ok

[pure raven]

I'll read if a text version is available tho

[heady cairn]

I don't think so

[pure raven]

The only theory that i'm planning on watching is artur's 8 part theory

[heady cairn]

I can see it, and I will tell you

[pure raven]

I'll be watching it so no worries

Something he spent years into... should be very accurate

[heady cairn]

There isn't text version

[heady cairn]

The name of the video is "teoria suprema do século perdido", in english is "supreme theory of the lost century"

[radiant blade]

Isn't Laws submarine still out there somewhere 🤔

[heady cairn]

Maybe luffy fall in the water and the submarine saves him, instead of Jimbe

And it gives him medical attendence to he come back 100% to fight with Kaido again

[quiet quiver]

Who's Arthur

[warm gust]

Library of Ohara Artur

[weary cliff]

This is the first time I've seen this suggestion and it makes more sense than Carrot coming out nowhere to rescue him, or him landing on BM's ship and somehow that's fine.

Another thing I just thought of, if Kaido is so upset about knocking him off, why can't he fly down after Luffy?

[grizzled fog]

He’s really far down already, by the time kaido said something, he was already far away from onigashima

[magic goblet]

I wondering why everything is so weird and realised I was in the theories channel

[terse plover]

I have never heard of Emerald City and I am caught up, what is this place?

[ancient vault]

reread jaya, in particular bellamy in the bar

[dusky acorn]

Basically another mystical location in the OP world we don't know anything about

[terse plover]

Ahhh found it, thanks

Yup, just realized as I reread that panel

[dusky acorn]

And Lodestar can't be God Valley because the latter doesn't exist on the map anymore while the other still does after GV was wiped out @digital epoch

[pure raven]

I think the Emerald City is related to Elbaf and is another city of gold (because in the Wizard of Oz it's at the end of a yellow path).

[sturdy hawk]

I think emerald city is god valley

[gray flower]

I’m assuming a good amount of people here are aware of the theory that holds that the mera mera fruit burns hotter as one gets better at controlling the fruit. The basis for this theory is how the colour of ace’s flames changed to hotter colours over time and how sabo’s flames were toned down to the cooler colours when he got it. So if this theory is true I could see something really cool and poetic happening, sabo’s flames eventually growing hot enough to burn akainu (possibly during a 1v1 between them where sabo seeks to avenge ace).

[dense wing]

Considering Sabo already has a blue color scheme, him getting blue flames eventually makes sense

Plus yeah, if there’s a comment on how it could burn Akainu that’d be hype

[pure raven]

but Ace's flames are always black and white in the manga

[digital epoch]

In Jaya, Bellamy says "What kind of things do you believe in? Sky Island? The Emerald City? The Lost Treasure of One Piece?" Kinda weird that we have confirmation that two of those are real and the third thing is never mentioned again

https://external-preview.redd.it/BNaUKMTJgIOgSIstv6n-086WXg-tlsNx10xy-8A13nc.png?auto=webp&s=f0fcc1e12b4049a201002e7d658bd5e3931a69e8 heres the panel

[pure raven]

Sabo is for sure gonna be way stronger with the fruit than ace ever was just for the simple fact that sabo uses haki and was already way strong before even getting the fruit. Ace got the DF early on and relied heavily on it, and prolly neglected other areas of combat

[cedar sinew]

he didnt get it early on though

throughout his training in fushia village and when he formed the spade pirates he didn't have it

he was very physically durable and strong as well

but Sabo'll be stronger with it yeah for narrative reasons

[pure raven]

He didn’t get it right when he set out?

[cedar sinew]

no

he got it sometime during his journey as a pirate

[pure raven]

Gotcha lol idk why I thought that

[sand sail]

Yeah, Ace not only had only about 2-3 years with the fruit (significantly less than Luffy for example), he was actually stated to be worth his title as a commander because of his all around combat ability. He wasn't a person who relied too heavily on his fruit, and not being able to use its defense didn't hamper his ability to fight.

[grizzled fog]

Ace was a beast in physical combat too, he was even better than sabo as a kid

[sand sail]

Which makes sense, he was a commander after all. Fighting people who use haki had to be his bread and butter, like Yamato for example, so he wouldn't have actually had the freedom to just rely on his powers to keep him alive for the most part

He was even with Sabo as a kid, he was better than Luffy lol

[grizzled fog]

Nah he was slightly better than sabo

We saw on their board, he won 1 or 2 matches more than him

Here ya go

26:24

[sand sail]

Yeh, I'm okay with putting them dead even with that, if it were like 10 over Sabo I'd put him more over

[grizzled fog]

To each their own, I think it’s meant to show that ace is the better of the two, even if by a minuscule amount

[pure raven]

Well now he's dead so it doesn't matter

[tame tendon]

Wow, what a theory! I really like the hint that connecting the dots with the real myth and lore. moreover there are some references that come from my country in this theory

[pure raven]

How long did it take to read?

[lyric dust]

jeez 1-2

hours

[next nimbus]

Haha time to get confortable I'm a sucker for a good theory

[ionic peak]

i just

cant stand too much reading words , thats why i only read comics and manga

[tame tendon]

u can finished about 30 minutes imo

[dusk forge]

still an amazing read

[junior cape]

I do not think Sabo is dead

He's too good a character to just kill off so soon after introducing him

Plus, that would completely ruin him in the story

AS such, he will show up as captured after Wano, forcing Marineford 2.0

Except, this time Luffy will save him, and Akainu won't stop him by killing Sabo.

[ancient vault]

So Ace 2.0?

[cedar sinew]

Sabo's introduction and character was that he missed out on being able to partake in MF and that he wants to do everything he can to help out Luffy while furthering his own goals

having Luffy save him would be contradictory to his character

and it'd be repetitive. And it wouldn't serve a narrative purpose

[pure raven]

hosting a big execution for Ace made sense, he was the son of Gol D Roger and had support of Whitebeard. All likeness could've been next Pirate king. Meanwhile Sabo is just a commander at Revolutionary Army. Makes no sense to start a War over him.

[cedar sinew]

it wouldn't even be a war.

[terse plover]

Yeah, there's no way they kill off Sabo right now. Since hes the second of the revolutionary's, it makes the most sense for him to die during the war with the revolutionaries IF he will die at all.

[cedar sinew]

it'd be a secret infiltration

well this is the war with the revolutionaries

[terse plover]

on screen i mean, like with dragon and everyone more introduced

[pure raven]

revolutionary army, just isn't the same as Whitebeards crew. I don't see a lot of strong people apart from Dragon and Sabo

[cedar sinew]

all the revo commanders are probably as strong as the WB commanders

[terse plover]

I would hope they are, even though right now they don't really seem to be

[cedar sinew]

what makes you say that

[terse plover]

Their roles in the show so far, like for example Bello Betty or Karasu. They are cool characters, but their abilities seem designed for recon and the ultimate goal of the revolutionary army, rather than just being physically strong.

BUT I do hope they are strong

It would be great to see

[cedar sinew]

bello betty yeah i'd agree is specifically designed for revos

why karasu though?

[pure raven]

now that i think about it, if Izo is as strong as a Akazaya. and An Akazaya is prolly as strong as Franky or Brook. so Whitebeard weren't as strong as we thought. so Revolutionary commaders could be as strong as Whitebeard crew

[terse plover]

He is a crow man, so I assume he is more of a recon guy. Like you tell him something or he finds something out and then goes back to the rest of the revo army to relay it

His intro was coming from another region and relaying information to someone else if I remember correctly

Too little is known about them tho, so I could be totally wrong

[cedar sinew]

well we saw him attack pinkbeard

[terse plover]

Just my guesses

[grizzled fog]

Not all Whitebeard commanders are the same strength, not even close, obviously Izo isn’t on jozu or vista’s level

[pure raven]

tbh my memories of revolutionary commanders are made hazy by some fan-fiction

[pure raven]

true. but izo was still a commander.

[cedar sinew]

oh Karasu stole their weapons

🤔

[terse plover]

That is also true, I could be wrong, but imo he seems like more of a support like bello betty

I still love all of them though, really cool designs and stuff

[cedar sinew]

yeah idk. I think he still has a lot of offensive capabilities. But anyway I think they'd match up to the WB commanders on their own right.

but mf 2.0 definitely isn't happening imo

[grizzled fog]

The wb commanders have such a massive range im sure the revo commmanders can stack up at least to some of the lower ones lol

[cedar sinew]

the most I can see is it tying in to something bigger as a subplot

but people don't realize that MF was the climax of an entire saga

and can't be just a one off thing

[terse plover]

The revolutionary army has also always seemed to do things in the background? Like Oda doesn't bring up anything frequently. So I feel like if they count as a major threat to the world government, they probably do their jobs in secret because it is so hard to catch them. That or like you said, they could be pretty strong and no one gets out once getting into an encounter with them.

[cedar sinew]

Yeah their works are more lokey, like their base was never known until it got exposed. Their attack on the celestial dragon was probably the only major move they've made in the series

also they probably just ran away from BB. Very under the radar

[terse plover]

Yup, and there are a bunch of theories as to why Dragon is the person who he is. So he probably knows a lot about the world government personally so he takes very great caution when doing anything major

[terse plover]

Yeah, I doubt they fought them

[errant nova]

Any particular posts come to mind? A cool dragon theory would be perf way to spend the time before the scans

[terse plover]

I don't have any links or specific posts, but I've seen ones about him being a formal admiral, his wife being a celestial dragon, etc.

So maybe if you want to search it up you can? I've sort of just heard them from people discussing or YouTubers

[errant nova]

Ah yeah gotcha. I’ve been thinking dragon’s wife might be from the indigenous looking folk from foosha village. The elders have similar facial tattoos as dragon

[errant nova]

And I could see how they specifically have been wronged by the WG (like that story about the abandoned bridge?) and that’s what radicalized dragon

[terse plover]

Is there anywhere I could see them by googling something? I am curious now since I've never thought about this before

[errant nova]

I can try and find it, what comes to mind is reactions of whitebeard’s death but I believe they’re shown a couple times

[old ember]

2 more minutes I guess for the chapter

[errant nova]

YESS

[errant nova]

I’ve been trying but it’s buried somewhere lol

[errant nova]

Was able to find this still from the anime but maybe it doesn’t support my theory lol it’s not as similar as I remembered and no idea if it’s canon

[terse plover]

Isn't that scopper Goban? Or rumoured to be scopper Goban from the pirate kings crew

[errant nova]

Nooooo shit

[terse plover]

He's from fuushia village? Had no idea damn

I heard a theory about ryuuma and dragon being connected because there's a scene of the revolutionary ship behind zoro while he was training. The patterns on ryuuma's clothing are very similar to Dragon's face tattoo.

There's also some other theory about how Kuina could still be alive and made into a man because of Ivankov. Her goal was supposedly unattainable since she was a girl, but ivankov could have changed that and she might be part of the revolutionary army.

[brazen lantern]

Marco bounty is less than 1.5 billion??

[unreal solar]

Does Kaido even know Marco is there yet?

[grizzled fog]

Yea this chapter pretty much confirms it

[grizzled fog]

He might not, but Bao Huang certainly knows which is what matters

[unreal solar]

Fair

[brazen lantern]

Bruh... I thought it would be a minimum of 2 billion

[cedar sinew]

katakuri was barely over a billion

[brazen lantern]

Any idea who saves luffy now

Right hand of wb and right hand of big mom, there's a major difference

[rancid blade]

shanks probably?

[cedar sinew]

what's the difference

[brazen lantern]

But seriously it makes no sense now, how tf do u expect kaido big mom to lose now

[unreal solar]

All I can genuinely think of is Zo showing up or Luffy awakening after being saved by someone else

But this is Oda so ANYTHING can happen

[brazen lantern]

Wb the man closest to one piece, strongest man in the world, for 20 yrs it was his era big difference mate

Someone wake marimo up😂😂

[grizzled fog]

Marco being under 1.5 bil is fine, it makes plenty of sense, although I was expecting 1.6 bil myself

[grizzled fog]

He’s awake this chapter, just not in condition to do anything but yell

[brazen lantern]

Oh i missed it I guess

[cedar sinew]

they're both yonkos. They're both the 2nd in command

the difference between WB and BM is 600 mil or something

why would their commanders have a more stark difference, up to 1 bil+

[grizzled fog]

They’re also similar ages I think, likely similar lengths of time as pirates

[teal nymph]

maybe the octopus form the beginning of the arc ?

[pure raven]

Is it Just me or in the last panel kaido's club is starting to break

[grizzled fog]

Nah that wasn’t a crack, just some black lightning

[cedar sinew]

this?

[teal nymph]

so kin going to die most likely ?

[pure raven]

Yes

[loud ibex]

Does this mean chopper has the drugs CEASR made for him?

[teal nymph]

yes

[cedar sinew]

just coc trails

[pure raven]

Oh oké

[loud ibex]

I can’t wait to see chopper new form I’m hyped

[cedar sinew]

don't think he'll die, just out of commission

[teal nymph]

kiku also ko or dead ?

[pure raven]

Not sure

We might find out later on

[cedar sinew]

I'm pretty confident Kiku's dead because the words spoken mirror Pedro's

[teal nymph]

it looks like all scabbards going to die protecting momo one after other

[steady pendant]

do u guys think it would be possible if bb and moria come to get kaidos df

[teal nymph]

unlikely as bb not coming to wano

[pure raven]

Isnt he going to pick something somewhere else right now

[steady pendant]

but didnt he want a zoan fruit to destroy the world

[teal nymph]

yes sabo capture related

[pure raven]

Or vivi related

The kingdom of alabast maybe pluton

[sonic radish]

any theories on whats going to save luffy

[lilac wharf]

yeah

Should bm pirateship not be around there somewhere? I think they will fish him up

[cedar sinew]

@lilac wharf no memes here please

[pure raven]

Sea Kings, hence why Momo is suddenly hearing voices and getting headaches, like Roger and the rest did when at the Fishman Island

Also, I unironically think Oda might try to kill all of the Scabbards off, one by one, lol. That's four so far? Atleast "dead" or gravely injured, doji, kiku, kanjuro and kin'emon

[grave steppe]

i dont think its a new form just a duration extension

[pure raven]

I think he means the thing Caesar said about it having drawbacks

[lilac wharf]

@cedar sinew sorry

[pure raven]

Imo it's gonna be him losing control over his monster form again, hence why Oda put him up against Queen, to build up how much of a danger he'd be when out of control, since he's YC level almost

[lilac wharf]

i dont think he would get a power up. The problem with chopper was he could not control himself

[pure raven]

Any theories which voices Momo was hearing in the latest chapter? I'm hoping some Sea Kings are gonna save Luffy

Yeah, it's pretty much the only thing that's reasonable? I guess there's still a few people in the mainland, but if it wasn't sea kings, then Momo's headache would have no feasible explanation either I guess

Plus, even if someone in the mainland rescued him, they couldn't get him back to Onigashima, but the Sea Kings maybe can?

[lilac wharf]

Is luffy falling to the sea below outside wano?

[pure raven]

Yeah and he is already under water

no, it's inside wano. onigashima's hovering wano, so it wouldn't make sense for him to be outside of it

nah, he means outside of wano's ocean-area. he fell inside wano's waters

[lilac wharf]

Its floating so maybe its outside. I just find it weird there would be sea kings in wanos water

[pure raven]

that also makes you wonder how the sea kings got past the waterfall but i honestly can't think up anything else

Never underestimate GODA's storytelling 😂

[lilac wharf]

That is my only issues with sea kings, what would they be doing there. But besides that yeah i have no idea who else it can be outside BM pirates if they have ascended the waterfall

[edgy anchor]

has only large creatures such as Zunesha given people who can hear voices headaches?

[pure raven]

no, sea kings can also do it. roger and oden's trip to fishman island, they had headaches

[sonic radish]

roger reacted the same with sea kings at fish men

[keen storm]

any theory on momo's headache

[pure raven]

sea kings rescuing luffy

[brazen acorn]

it could be the seakings

[pure raven]

it's got holes but that's basically it. it's just too on the nose, especially with kaido namedropping joy boy imo

[edgy anchor]

maybe wano is a giant turtle

or the mountain god finally appear

[brazen acorn]

i mean... There's an explanation for Zunesha to be alive and walking all these thousand years

it can't possibly be the same for another creature right?

[edgy anchor]

Zunesha appears, destroys the waterfall so wano is 'open' or momo commands him to prevent kaido from dropping onigishima

[grave steppe]

isnt zunesha slow asf

[edgy anchor]

i guess so

[grave steppe]

so it'd be unlikely for zunesha to appear

[teal nymph]

maybe zunesha was always headed to wano & now it finally reaches ?

[edgy anchor]

i mean they could have brought zou nearby before the raid

they had like at least 2 weeks

[snow herald]

next chapter I want all the strawhats to just do some crazy ass shit and deal immense damage to their opponents while saying something like 'our captain will win!' with absolute resolution. and in return, shocking everyone around. would be a cool scene

[edgy anchor]

the strawhat fleet better arrive now at this point LOL

[visual plinth]

doubt it

[languid mirage]

I wonder wether it’s possible for the big mom pirates to save Luffy so that they can capture him for big mom and then Luffy gets to escape them

Cause we actually don’t know exactly where they are

[cursive harbor]

It is kaido know who JB is really? what do he mean by " you could't be joy boy either"

[grave steppe]

i had a stroke

[edgy anchor]

Rocks pirates knew a lot about 'taboos' so i guess joyboy was one of them

[cursive harbor]

go seeing doctor btw 🤣

[grave steppe]

🌚

[noble fractal]

Here's my theory, Big Mom rips a fat one and annihilates the whole raid of Onigaishima

[brazen acorn]

with the serious way that the chapter is going I get the feeling that something important is gonna happen. The fact that Momo got a headache indicates that it could be the sea kings.

Oden got a headache when he heard the sea kings speaking when he was with Roger.

I don't see any big pirate who can swim just appear out of nowhere. Sea kings seem much more possible with the way the manga is progressing