manga-theories

[copper frost]

@pastel sinew

[pastel sinew]

Thank you brotha. Forgot the name of the user that posted it, I was looking at your messages lmao

[pure raven]

Any new theory linked to this Wano guy who know Crocus ? We are at Wano and there is the same hat for the scabbard, could be cool to see him

[mystic crown]

Its scopper

[wintry pelican]

Image theory of newest chapter. (Sorry for the bad art)

[zinc iris]

I doubt he's going to do it unassisted

[compact valve]

How you guys think about Black Beard being one of Vegapunks experiment? Like its one of the reason why he has 2 devil fruits now. Because hes not human.
Like "Frankenstein"

[zinc iris]

Aside that frankenstein's creature is a very different thing, IIRC Blackbeard predates vegapunk being enlisted by the WG

[novel basin]

It will explain his knowledge with dev f book(sanji and germa)..
But maybe him having relationship with vega punk

[compact valve]

yeah cause I just saw some theories about this. See how it has a moon

Then this one

[halcyon charm]

thats kinda sad

[pure raven]

Why he alone tho?

He got wb as a family and then backstabed him .hope bb got some good backstory

[pure raven]

Scopper who?

[mystic crown]

Scopper Gaban. Its a dumb theory. Rogers old third mate

[pure raven]

Well i hope he isnt izo

[compact valve]

I think thats before whitebeard

thats why he is alone and sad

[pure raven]

Because now cloth different even the coat so doesnt match the shade like that black and white

Also if any theory /idea who this person could be?

From behind izos coat.

[tired osprey]

its not black and white, its light reflecting on Izo's clothes and the black is the shadows, you can literally see how the black is the shadows to the light on the clothes.

its sort of meant to give that cinematic approach to Izo stepping out of the shadows while marco is talking

[pure raven]

Well i rather hope this character to be the same one talking to crocorus

[tired osprey]

you do you then

[pure raven]

[pure raven]

Still thnx for clarifying

[zinc iris]

It's very unlikely there is an ulterior character that they kept hidden until this far in the raid

[cyan sand]

in the scene when blackbeard is introduced, couldn't you say that luffy, zoro and nami, exactly 3 people, being shown across from blackbeard as foreshadowing for his ability to get 3 dfs? I know this is already a popular theory but it's something else too

going to reply or just react with an emote?

[jaunty brook]

I have a theory on how luffy will lvl up for the last standoff with Kaido. Having in mind he always improves something he's missing (like snakeman to improve speed vs katakuri), luffy has damage and speed against kaido, but he needs durability/defence to withstand Kaidos damage. Therefore, inspired by animals, like all his gears are, I think he will go on and show Gear 4th: dragon or something similar. Something that has scales or thick skin, to take kaidos hit without falling

[real echo]

[zinc iris]

Well definitely being threefold is part of his character, from having three guns in his belt to his pirate flag having triple skulls

The latter is pretty important because every pirate flag says something about the captain

However how this is going to manifest is still up in the air
Getting a third DF and a Zoan at that feels appropriate but might not be the only way

[real echo]

Kaido df on bb would be too op and goofy imo

Doubt oda will do that

[pure raven]

Argument = Hair haha ?

[pure raven]

For Me it's a oda fail haha, but yeah it fit

[pure raven]

It's done by lineage factor, it's possible he has two of them, there is a big mistery with that, with giantification, cloning etc, Judge and Vegapunk have maybe created BB before their separation ( and before Vega go to the government so) like a failure of xebec clone ( name of the ship, hive etc) which has now two lineage factor and create a monster who can't sleep, and maybe that's why shanks wanted to attack this "xebec clone"

The "big bad of the past" who coming back is really a common scénrio

And it's the most recent theory (basis of a theory at least) and the most relevant we have since Marineford, other like "cerberus" is shit

And yeah Maybe a "third skull/personn/lineage"

[pure raven]

Back on that : so a guy who seem to be a wano guy, who know crocus, nekomamushi, marco and izou who is coming from nowhere ? I don't know if it's sérious and a big mystery or if it's some fail of oda which is nonsense

[real echo]

Momo will 1v1 kaido after saving luffy

[slow glacier]

bruh

[pure raven]

Yeah momo and luffy kod and laying beside each other

[real echo]

Hahaha so tru

[teal nymph]

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https://preview.redd.it/71haps817y551.jpg?width%3D633%26format%3Dpjpg%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3Dc760ce0dac638cd151b0a4a6ca5e5a1273e22e1a&imgrefurl=https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/hcavpi/what_about_the_2_characters_in_wano_poster_that/&docid=0a40FwIgqepPcM&tbnid=GIqfXO3TtxLcFM&vet=1&w=633&h=640&source=sh/x/im

does any1 know who is the person with bow and arrow ?

[cyan berry]

non canon characters anyway so they don't matter

[ruby path]

Do u guys think Momo can see through Kaido's eyes or somtething like that because he knows how Luffy feels and there is also the fact that Momo ate the fruit which was made with Kaido's DNA

[cyan berry]

if he could see through his eyes then he wouldnt refer to the people on the roof as voices

[cerulean coyote]

He ears voices so its haki.

[ruby path]

which chapter was it again ?

[cyan berry]

every chapter he mentions a voice on the rooftop

[vague shuttle]

Also what would kaidos eyes have to do with him using a similar ability on Zou

I assumed it was the same thing he was doing on zou

[copper frost]

Momo has VOAT and observation apparently

[ruby path]

but zou was different wasnt it ? He could hear the elefant because he is an ancient weapon or am i wrong ?

[copper frost]

Zunesha iirc was never mentioned to be an ancient weapons

[cyan berry]

youre wrong

[vague shuttle]

Its not really clear but I'm kind of assuming it was the same ability

[cyan berry]

the only living weapon we know of is Shirahoshi

anything else is complete headcanon

[vague shuttle]

Same thing with Roger and Oden and Luffy being able to hear big spooky voices sometimes for some unexplained reason

Like however the ability manifests, I dont think it has to do with Momos fruit

[worldly anvil]

Momo is under a lots of stresses for a 8 years old

[vague shuttle]

Yeah true

[real echo]

i mean, his father death was not so long ago, wasnt it?

[copper frost]

In real time, yeah about a few months only

[vague shuttle]

I can never tell how much time has passed between arcs

At least he got to see a bunch of titties on the way tho

[copper frost]

Assuming they spent sometime getting out of Wano and going around and getting lost on the sea finally ending up in Punk Hazard then coming from there all the way to Zou

[real echo]

im still trying to figure out how many years till the "they will be born in 10 years, 15 to grow up" voice roger heard

to see if it fits with luffy / shirahoshi

[copper frost]

25-26 years before the current timeline

[real echo]

so it cant be luffy, right?

[copper frost]

I have to check again when it fits into the timeline

[worldly anvil]

Pretty sure it's Shirahoshi they're talking about

[pure raven]

Well they talked about 2 people

1 in fishman isladnd and other to be born in faraway sea

However not sure if the other one was luffy

Also are whale same as sea kings?

[cyan berry]

no

[real echo]

does the desert count as a "sea" ?

[real echo]

i still believe a lot of people still have to show up in wano (revo, wg, bb, shanks etc)

[zinc iris]

yeah it won't happen also because we're already seeing the complete extent of that df in the kaido fight, so facing bb would be a rehash in that

If bb gets a third df I expect it to be a zoan, a powerful one at that, but not kaido's

[real echo]

yea maybe yamato's

[zinc iris]

rip yamato?

[pure raven]

No

[real echo]

😂

[pure raven]

Yamao forever dont kill her already

[real echo]

i like her tho

[pure raven]

Well bbs 3 rd df could be someone new maybe

[zinc iris]

a popular one is a cerberus df because of the 3 skulls, with the added idea that he had it all along and kept it hidden, with the additional heads being the reasons he could eat more dfs

[real echo]

maybe bb is going somewhere else (he wants to get something from someone/somewhere so..)

[pure raven]

Cerberuss also had some rocks theory too right?

[zinc iris]

#manga-theories message

this one from swrml

[pure raven]

Well hope we get something similar and badass for d and all these mysteries

[real echo]

im 16000% sure oda will blow our minds.

[vestal rampart]

thats a lot of percent

[real echo]

too much academia

[short pilot]

Are there a legend about Koi fish's worst enemy? which Yamato's fruit might be?

[real echo]

tiger?

[grizzled fog]

Kaido isn’t a koi, he’s an Azure Dragon/Seiryu, and yes the rival to that would be the White tiger/Byakko

[real echo]

i do believe yamato has white tiger df.

[viral aspen]

Does anyone have any theories about Brook or Choppers devil fruit awakenings?

[last halo]

Brooks awakening could have him being able to possess multiple objects or people at once

[real echo]

or just live outside his body, and inhabit any object/body

[tired osprey]

koi fish's worst enemy

[viral aspen]

I wonder if chopper will get a more human looking form...

[grizzled fog]

Heavy point is supposed to be that, but he doesn’t mind looking like a monster now

[viral aspen]

I’m excited to see what powers Yamato is going to have. I feel it’ll be a beast power just because of the Kaido pirates. I wonder if he had to take one of the manufactured devil fruits

[pseudo citrus]

from what we've seen, don't most of the SMILES not have the ability to transform in and out of their animal forms? and I imagine kaidou would save something special for his kid

[grizzled fog]

It’s most likely a real devil fruit

[pseudo citrus]

most common guesses are mythical tiger: opposes dragon, common byakko color scheme matches yamato's hair... will be curious to see if he fights in full animal form or if we get kanabo on kanabo action

[grizzled fog]

I’m sure we’ll get both

[pseudo citrus]

🐯 vs 🐉 then 🏏 vs 🏏 would be my guess

[cyan berry]

cricket?

[pseudo citrus]

just typed in "bat" since I don't have a kanabo emote and that's the best I could do

[cyan berry]

ah

[viral aspen]

The bat theory is also good

[pseudo citrus]

if dragon vs tiger was happening when the fight spilled into the main dome, followed by going hybrid then human once the fight was over, that would be a cool way for the alliance members in the dome to get introduced to yamato

[zinc iris]

I like to think brook's awakening already happened and are his new abilities post ts

[pseudo citrus]

that would make sense... I was imagining that his awakening could be reviving someone who recently died, but that'd be a bit much lol

[mental root]

what would Chopper's be ? turning animals into human hybrids ? that would be dope

[real echo]

turning into an actual human

[real echo]

nigga thats lit i hope oda adds this

i fucking love tigers

[zinc iris]

We already know that Zoan Awakening is a fourth form much stronger and durable than regular hybrid but more regressed mentally

So I like to think Monster Chopper is just a chemically forced awakening

All the Jailer Beasts of Impel Down are awakened Zoans, for reference

[pseudo citrus]

related to awakening: could it be that the weather on Punk Hazard was permanently changed because aokiji and akainu both used awakened powers while fighting there? wouldn't be surprised if this theory was mentioned before, but thought I'd mention

[grizzled fog]

!punkhazard

[lone hedge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/164971940648321024/795015111625801728/hdgmrphiqgm11.png%3Fwidth%3D1095%26height%3D227

[pseudo citrus]

ah, ty

[whole jewel]

Tbh on the note of awakening I personally think Luffy’s awakening will be the controlling of elastic force. It’s the basis of Gear 4 but should allow him to perform it without the need to inflate. He would be able to automatically store up pressure in his body and release it on attack

Because we know that the gears usually harm him and are known to be a last resort.

Personally I think this is the most reasonable because the terrain change, vulcanization, and self heal stuff that I’ve seen just doesn’t feel right.

[forest rampart]

Say, if Bb has third df, from which part of his limb would the power comes from then? His head? His right//left leg?

[weary cliff]

Maybe a zoan transformation instead

[forest rampart]

Sounds right.
I doubt that Bb could get 3rd df though.

[weary cliff]

Since we don't know how he did the second one, there's no way of telling his limits

But he has a strong 3 motif

[sand sail]

There's no limb designation for his powers

So, it'll come out of wherever he feels like throwing it, if it's something of that nature

[forest rampart]

Hm.. Maybe

[wintry gyro]

Elbaph could be next arc

[pure raven]

could ?

[viral aspen]

I wonder if we are gonna have a rescue Sabo arc

[pure raven]

Ace 2.0 theory

[viral aspen]

If it does happen hopefully it will turn out better since the straw hats are back together

[pure raven]

Of course, he will not lose his brother twice with the same scheme haha

"Final War" as oda tease, luffy will win because "good guy always win at the end"

[radiant blade]

So for plot related reasons, we know they're going to Elbaf, but I just want to know how and why they will go there. How do you go from a huge war on Wano against two Yonkos to just... going to Elbaf. Especially when the final road ponyglyph is on Wano.

[cyan berry]

The final Road Poneglyph's location is still unknown

There are 4, one was in Zou, another in Wholecake Island, and the third is in Onigashima somewhere

[radiant blade]

Wait i thought they already had 3 of them

[cyan berry]

The strawhats only have 2

and they're about to get the 3rd

[radiant blade]

ok nevermind then, the fourth very well could be on Elbaf.

@cyan berry has robin seen the drawings of the road poneglyph that brook made?

[cyan berry]

we never actually see it happen

[radiant blade]

Does she comment on it though?

[weary cliff]

I imagine in post Wano the SH's will finally get a newspaper or something informing them of all the wild activity that's been happening. That will probably inform the next move, if it is directly to Elbaf

[cyan berry]

again, we don't actually see it

[radiant blade]

Gotcha

Man brook is a beast for real for getting that. He was so good in whole cake. Taking on big mom and getting those sketchings.

[zinc iris]

well they will eventually xet to elbaf but there might be yer another island before that instead of being the one right after wano

[weary cliff]

Brook has peaked, and I'm fine with it. He was amazing

[zinc iris]

it can be as simple as the next stop in the log pose route

[weary cliff]

It seems following the log pose is something that died out early NW. Nowadays it's much more about premeditated destinations. I'm glad it got creative use in Totta land at least

[zinc iris]

it's like it didn't even start

considering that from punk hazard is a mission-determined sequence of islands

however after wano this plotline is done

what is left is "continuing the voyage"
so following the pose because there is no other way to navigate the grand line

[weary cliff]

I agree, and it's a definite possibility. And I'm also not trying to argue from the perspective of "since it has been this way it will probably stay this way". I just think that given how things are heating up on a global scale, and how the progress towards reaching LT is approaching a climax with 3 poneglyphs that it feels more likely that the rest of the journey will be either reactive to outside forces, or calculated with their goal in mind, rather than spontaneous exploration

[zinc iris]

luffy still is in for the adventure

so they will continue for the general exploration path

that incidentally will put them on plot-relevant islands anyway

[weary cliff]

Ah true. You can always count on that dumb luck

[zinc iris]

after all skypiea and water 7 were just random log pose destinations

[cerulean coyote]

Wasnt skypiea set over alabasta log?

[zinc iris]

they got to alabasta using an eternal log, but from there they continued by the path laid out by the log pose after it adapted to the new route, it pointed to skypiea just because, there was no reason they wanted to get there, and after that long ring long land and water 7 were the next two islands in the route charted by the log pose

[cerulean coyote]

Robin asked Nami about the log before the galleon fell from the sky; hence, the log was set after recording alabasta magnetic field.

[zinc iris]

yes

[cerulean coyote]

So it's not random; they were following log.

[zinc iris]

it's random in that they had no personal reason to go to skypiea, it was just where the log told them to go

[errant nova]

Maybe king is a snake-neck?

[pure raven]

So, with Onigashima flying to the capital, is the climat still will be hivernal ?

(Don't know how i came to find this question haha)

[merry igloo]

What if the storm that interrupted shiki v roger sea battle was dragons doing.

[fringe tide]

It wasnt an eternal log that took them to alabasta, luffy broke it when robin gave it to them. They used a normal logpose

[pseudo citrus]

but didn't they get a log from dorry and brogy to make it from little garden to alabasta?

[pure raven]

Egg uranus theory

I prefer, dragon is like a little bit useless since the beginning

[pure raven]

Yes Sanji found it in the house of Mr3

[merry igloo]

i still dont like that cuz its a damn egg that could crack by a brush of the wind

[pure raven]

Oh yeah wasn't it supposed an "unexpected" storm ?

Don't really know about the egg, juste where was dragon so ? Roger crew haha ?

[cerulean coyote]

It was. Robin had the eternal for the island NEAR alabasta. The unluckies (the otter and the vulture) had the eternal for alabasta.

[zinc iris]

more specifically robin offered an eternal log right after little garden in the same log pose route, and luffy refused

meanwhile sanji stole an eternal pose from the unluckies directly for alabasta and they used that

[cerulean coyote]

To reach DRUM! 🤯

[zinc iris]

drum was a side stop because nami fell ill in the meantime

it was the closest island with doctors on it

[cerulean coyote]

There weren't real doctors, only a witch and a reindeer...

[weary cliff]

And a team of royal super surgeons

[zinc iris]

they didn't know wapol moved

[forest rampart]

I wonder how Nanimonai Island would looks like..

[pure raven]

Isn't that the island of shit?

[gray flower]

Moria joins luffy during the blackbeard fight (with or without a moustache)

[dusky acorn]

Don't know how authentic your thought is because of the facial hair comment, but I'd see Moria as similar to someone like Hawkins currently

Even though he was presumably forced into the crew, it's still his best shot of succeeding. I don't think he'd switch, or it'd take a lot for him to do so

[gray flower]

I like how you also don’t think blackbeard killed him and took his super useful power

[unique kestrel]

reanimates rocks....

that would be a sick villian for like shanks and luffy to fight

and shanks dies and then luffy goes on to fight bb

[gray flower]

I don’t think haki can be used by reanimated people, so rocks might be in impeccable form like Ryuma for example, but he won’t have the haki

[dusky acorn]

It's possible, but I think the reason Absalom was killed was because he was too weak, whereas Blackbeard sees Moria as tough enough to be a solid member of the crew, even if they had to strongarm him to do so.
He has plenty of years of experience over his fruit too, even if they could give it to someone better

[gray flower]

That makes a lot of sense actually

[dusky acorn]

Especially because Blackbeard asked if he likes to party and ride his ship, even if Moria refuses he'd cave in eventually if he values his life I hope

[gray flower]

But he rode to blackbeards domain ready for war just for Absalom, and he seems to care deeply for his friends

So I feel like he’d want revenge (eventually)

[dusky acorn]

Yeah it was a good character moment for Moria, and that's where this comes in

or it'd take a lot for him to do so
I could at least see Moria betraying if he finally sees Blackbeard on the severe losing end of some sort of future fight

If we want to continue his character in that sort of direction, and not drive into the mud by just having him lose while fighting alongside Blackbeard, someone he actually hates

[gray flower]

I could see something like that happening

Yeah it’d be a shame to reduce him to a lackey

[fallow tree]

Imma say a theory and if i see one “!patterns” command... anyways. So Wano has already had some connections to Alabasta with the story. So is it possible that Carrot was the ViVi of this arc and Yamato is the Robin? Carrot and ViVi having been with the crew for some time then not going on the journey with them. While Robin and Yamato didnt know Luffy that well besides maybe saving eachothers lives??? But Robin joined on her own choice not Luffys. So we could see Yamato do what Oden did and join on her own and mirror Robin...

Just a possibility imo

[pseudo citrus]

I've thought about it along these lines as well. Robin is with Crocodile and Yamato is with Kaidou because they "have" to be, until the Straw Hats come along and give them the freedom to persue their dream on their own terms. I also imagine, if Yamato is an eventual nakama, they're written with a sense of urgency because of how close to the end of the story we are.

[fallow tree]

Ye

[pseudo citrus]

I think Momo is more like Vivi than Carrot is, though. Carrot would be more like... Johnny and Yusaku lol

[fallow tree]

Prolly

[pseudo citrus]

Or Paulie

[grizzled fog]

Cept Yamato isn’t really “with” kaido at all, she’s actively rebelling against him entirely. She hasn’t been on his side for a moment since her introduction

[pseudo citrus]

They still fought against Ace to defend Onigashima

Definitely not on his sides, but "in his group" against their will

For context, I'm the biggest Yamato simp you'll ever meet, I'm just waiting for them reaching the anime to show it

[quaint dove]

Anime already showed Yamato, you don’t sound like a real Yamato simp to me

[pseudo citrus]

I thought it wouldn't be appropriate to put "red pants bigboi in the crowd 4 nakama" in my name

[pure raven]

I'm going to be honest here

I'm fully expecting Yamato to just sort of cling on board akin to how Oden did with white beard

[fallow tree]

Thats what i said

[pseudo citrus]

then get kicked off the ship, washed up on an island, only to meet a woman from the past they'll marry? sign me up

[fallow tree]

She will do a similar thing to what Oden fid

[fallow tree]

Then leave his crew to join the real PK and His #1 rival Buggy

[pseudo citrus]

it would be pretty funny if that's what happens, but it would make a lot more sense for them to drop the oden thing once kaido goes down... I think there's a difference between the things they truly want (leave wano) from the things adopted from oden (beat kaido, protect momo, open wano), as the latter group of things are always like "since I'm oden, this is what I want"

[fallow tree]

Could just be a gag moment

As a last salute to Oden

[vague matrix]

So I’m sure y’all know wano is following the structure of a kabuki play which traditionally consisted of 5 acts. With wano still currently in act 3, it has me thinking that there has to be another player in this fight yet to make an appearance. Knowing that cp0 and drake are in wano, logically I think the world government will be that player to make an appearance in part 4. We know the world government is currently busy with the warlords and the levely, so I’m curious who y’all think could possibly make an appearance in wano? Personally kizaru is my top guess.

[desert island]

i dont know who exactly it could be, but recently rumors have been going around about oda accidentally saying kaido wasnt the final villain of wano

i can see kizaru making an appearance

[fallow tree]

Itll be like Thriller bark

Kuma appearing at the end

[weary cliff]

It was something like an anime producer or exec who made a suspicious comment about the final enemy in the arc. Apparently even Japanese fans are arguing about whether he meant Kaido or some twist. Pretty ambiguous

[pure raven]

Like luffy 1v1 ko kaido?

Bb coming in to steal kaidos fruit

[pure raven]

Bb rather take orochos df

That would be better endong for orochi

Orochi is hard to kill lol

[weary cliff]

As fans, we got to see Kaido and the Scabbards deal with Orochi really unceremoniously. Both times were pretty great, but in OP fashion, I don't think he's staying dead. Something about ending the cycle of revenge

[pure raven]

Well still he could be killed

[fallow tree]

Iffy evidence

[pure raven]

@pure raven We're keeping discussion about that interview exclusively to #spoilers , just so you know

Ok will take note.

[dusky acorn]

@pure raven Keep arbitrary jokes out of here. this channel is for serious discussion on the realm of actual possibilities

[somber sphinx]

Just checking everyone knows and accepts that WB has cancer and was way past his prime right?

[grizzled fog]

His disease was unknown but yes he was way way weaker than he once was in marineford, that was clear

[somber sphinx]

hair loss + looks like dialysis machine for chemo sounds like cancer to me

if cancer exists in the OP universe

[cedar sinew]

hair loss is common in a lot of disease

same for the medical attachments he had

[gray flower]

Honestly 72 is relatively young for an old man

Especially in op world where a fair amount of people casually push a 100+ years

[cedar sinew]

uh I wouldn't say that

we haven't seen any major fighters that old

[gloomy canyon]

@pure raven Keep it serious in this channel please

[gray flower]

Rayleigh seems to be doing relatively well for a 78 year old

It’s a lame theory because everyone dies

[gloomy canyon]

Don't play dumb, if you have a serious theory, write a thought out version of it with evidence and serious points

Just saying "Luffy actually dies" doesn't do anything, and will just be taken as bait in this channel

[gray flower]

Sengoku apparently started at 77 and he was looking young. Tho age hit him like a truck once he retired

Garp speaks for himself

Basically I think whitebeard lost to disease

[cedar sinew]

yeah 70s is pretty different than 100+

even Chinjao says he's nowhere close his peak strength at his current age. Age plays a large factor

[pastel summit]

I guess it's just the difference between being highly active and not.

like WB was fighting, and presumably getting injured a lot, during his life

so he gets weaker younger. Sengoku maybe got some leeway 'cause fleet admiral seems to just be a desk job. he didn't really go out on the front lines like the other admirals.

[cedar sinew]

Id be more inclined to think that if you've been consistently active throughout you're bound to be more fit

WB being the exception due to diseases

[pastel summit]

Well, you'd be stronger than other old people, but I mean, you're constantly fighting and getting injured and stuff. that takes a toll on your body, no matter how tough it is.

[gray flower]

I think there is a middle ground here

Because Rayleigh for example does some crazy things for an old man

And yeah Mai turns out most the 100 year plus fighters are giants and they’re known to live long so it’s not fair to compare them to normal folk

[tidal wind]

Yes but i dont think he can keep with that

I think kizaru in shabondy was just lazy to go all in

[gray flower]

I mean the dude swam across the ocean and I’m not sure if this last part is canon but I think he’s also boxed gear 4

[pastel summit]

yeah, but Rayleigh couldn't fight for long in his old age. WB WAS fighting in his old age. Rayleigh was just chilling after Roger died. Garp probably the same, doesn't seem like he did a lot after Roger. Sengoku as Fleet Admiral wasn't really fighting. WB was the only person who was constantly fighting into his old age.

[tidal wind]

I think if bcz of the anatomy of the characters

Think about it in one piece all are just so oversized

Even the people to are supose to be humans beings

Like the admirals

I think they are just not get old as the regular sized humans like luffy or zoro

[gray flower]

Also people seem to grow taller whenever they feel like. I’m looking specifically at lucky roo and his magic meat

[cedar sinew]

Yeah Choc I meant that you’d be stronger than the ppl in your own age group

Since you were comparing WB and Sengoku

[snow herald]

Here's my theory that I thought of just now.
I think we have pirates cos of the world government. So I think once luffy and others get to a point where they challenge the world government/nobles/Imu and demolish the system. There's gonna be no need for 'piracy'.
Luffy isn't going to be the pirate king but instead just be totally free. Which I think is his true goal and being the pirate king is a means to achieve total freedom.

[cedar sinew]

There’s no real reason for that though

If Luffy likes being a pirate he can continue to be one because he can do whatever he wishes to, which is his definition of freedom

And “being a pirate” is pretty ambiguous in the OP world anyways

[mystic crown]

The ending of one piece is obvious. After Wano go meet shanks shortly then fight black beard then get the one piece then zoro fights mihawk then luffy pulls up to marijois after dragon declares war on WG and the crew wrexks everyone then luffy livs good but has a shorter lifespan and dies woth the crw around him om the ocean as the freest man in the world

[snow herald]

Luffy wanted to be be a pirate due to seeing how free and adventurous shanks and others were. He links pirates as being free and the freest of them all is PK.

But we have pirates due to the creation of the world government and marines.

[teal nymph]

could aoliji betray BB if they fight SH

[cedar sinew]

After the fall of the WG, Luffy will still act the exact same way as before. His actions aren’t restricted to that of a pirate, that’s just how the WG label them.

[tidal wind]

I honestly think that luffy will lose in wano unless something insane happen

[snow herald]

Yeah and the pirate king label will go

[cedar sinew]

I also don’t believe that the WG will completely fall

There needs to be some higher authoritative organization for a society to function

[snow herald]

Possibly

[cedar sinew]

Smoker/Fuji/Koby with the help of the revolutionaries will just restructure the system and eliminate corruption

So piracy will still exist imo

[tidal wind]

Someone needs to put order in the world

Remember people is a world with good and evil pirates

If the WG falls

Everyone will do their will someome had to play the "good" rol

[snow herald]

Lots of possibilities.
But I'm entertaining the idea of luffy demolishing the great age of piracy.
We see how much luffy takes on the will of of roger who started the great age of piracy. It will be interesting to see luffy do the total opposite of what roger started.

[tidal wind]

Thats sounds god

[cedar sinew]

But that’s not how inherited will works

[tidal wind]

But wait the pirates was a things before roger right ?

How roger know anything about the one piece ?

[mystic crown]

He didnt. He just knew of a final island

[tidal wind]

Who gave him the hint

[snow herald]

Exactly. There's so much empathisis on inherited will it will be a mad twist if luffy does the exact opposite of what roger started. Luffy ends it all, in a positive way

[tidal wind]

To colect the poneglyphts

[pastel summit]

the hint was on lodestar

[tidal wind]

How he knew that the clan kozuki was able to reed the stone

[pastel summit]

oden told him

[snow herald]

Piracy was a thing way before rogers time. I believe it started when the WG started. They were controlling and manipulative. People wanted to freedom so they went with piracy

[tidal wind]

I meant that, who are the people that lives in the island....

Theres no way that was an empty island with all the clues just there...

[worldly anvil]

hmm Roger did surged a new generation of pirates and then 20 years later WB makes it even worse lolol

[mystic crown]

Whats the bridge for

[dusky acorn]

Presumably no one, if nobody had ever reached there before

[worldly anvil]

but to answer sheriff, I think Ohara prob contribute about one piece

[dusky acorn]

The clue could have been through whatever artefacts or inanimate objects were there

[worldly anvil]

they might have info about the last island

[pastel summit]

we don't know what was there. There very well could have just been an empty island with clues just there.

[dusky acorn]

Highly unlikely for there to be a present civilisation though

[worldly anvil]

so it wouldn't surprise me if Roger been to Ohara

[pastel summit]

We can extrapolate it's also where BMP got info about the poneglyphs from as well. Since for some reason Tamago knew exactly how many poneglyphs there were and for what purpose, I assume that info is located on Lodestar.

[worldly anvil]

then again Ohara is in West blue.....

I think ya could found loads of info on Ohara about One piece so that why the World Govt destroyed the island... also the fact they can read the poneglyph

[lilac mirage]

Hey! I was just think how does yonkos or any normal pirates go back to other 4 seas ( east,west,south,north blue ). I might be forgetting something could you tell me about it?

[pastel summit]

we don't really know. Best guess is that they cross the calm belt.

[pure raven]

Maybe a lot of people has already went on load star and exit GL ?

Or some Germa-like special ships ?

[neat sky]

they spied on wg and stole sea stones and used em ?

[snow herald]

Another theory of mine. Roger and crew laughed on laugh tale because it wasn't the last island, not the finale. They laughed at the irony. How they thought they saw it all, how they conquered the 'world'. But on laugh tale they found out that there's other worlds to explore. The moons and maybe planets. And one of the treasures was a space craft of sorts.
But alas roger didn't have the time/life span. All they could do is laugh at it.
Even with Imu being the "king of the world' is only but a small part of the grand one piece universe!

[pure raven]

Roger and crew laughed on laugh tale because it wasn't the last island, not the finale.
There's other worlds to explore. The moons and maybe planets.
One of the treasures was a space craft of sorts.
A small part of the grand one piece universe!

[snow herald]

[lucid harbor]

[snow herald]

We already know moons have civilizations

The one piece world doesn't know as far as I can remember. We, the audience know.

Only enel knows

[pure raven]

[kind frigate]

I think the one piece is knowledge of the series character that this is actually a manga not a real world the message rogar was laughing at was actually oda picture and he laughed at his fu**ed up teeth

And joy boy is oda and roger was also laughing at the irony of the situation

Like “hahaha we are merely a cartoon characters it’s funny how are we looking for a treasure for 30 years”

[cursive tree]

Imagine

[snow herald]

like some 4th wall breaking stuff

deadpool and joker

[kind frigate]

Yeah

Or maybe we are the manga and the story is about people who watch the world through manga

[brisk oak]

yoo deadpool reference

[pure raven]

Quite the opposite

In a world controlled by the government, the people need to rise up and fight for their own freedom

[heady cairn]

What do you think will happen to luffy?

I think he will fall in big mom's ship and katakuri will be there. Probably won't happen, but would be cool

[grizzled fog]

Katakuri isn’t on the ship

[heady cairn]

We didn't see inside the ship, just the external area, he is more quiet than the others, I think it makes sence he be inside

[fallow tree]

He is at WCI

[vestal rampart]

lol imagine he pulls up

[zinc iris]

I chose to believe in Carrot saving him from falling

[heady cairn]

Or maybe luffy fall in the sea, die and ussop starts been the captain

[pseudo citrus]

people have been mentioning that momo might not be in the right place to reach luffy while he falls, but it could sense for luffy to just land on wano or even picked up by law's sun, then momo can fly down and carry him back up... that way momo doesn't have to be unreasonably fast, he'll still use his foreshadowed VOAT, and he'll be placed outside onigashima so he can see what he has to do (lift it with his flames)

[zinc iris]

if luffy is picked up at ground level he can come back on his own as soon as he wakes up

as he can fly very fast using Gear 4

[pseudo citrus]

it could be as simple as "I'll carry you up so you can save your gear 4 energy for kaido"... momo's gotta do something, right? lol

[zinc iris]

I still expect momo to keep onigashima afloat after kaido is defeated, so in my headcanon momo still does something large scale

[heady cairn]

But he is not awake

[cerulean coyote]

It means leaving tottoland literally without protection... Every other family member is on the deck...

[pseudo citrus]

well snack and cracker weren't there at least

it does sort of seem like "if you lose, you're out" kind of thing, as snack was gone before we got to tottoland, cracker disappeared after losing, and now we haven't seen katakuri

[modest skiff]

I thought Big Mom's defense system and her homies etc were made from her soul, which essentially allows her to sense what they sense. Am I not remembering that right?

I would think that would mean she could basically run home if she sensed anything

[grizzled fog]

Katakuri and cracker are more than likely defending totto land, it just makes more sense to leave strong fighters there to defend it

[modest skiff]

Maybe but I honestly think Big Mom was just like "select all, attack move"

[pseudo citrus]

the absence of katakuri from the spread of BM pirates definitely seems significant after he was so prominent before... whether he was booted, is left defending tottoland, or whatever it is

[zinc iris]

I assume he was still recovering when big mom decided to sail for wano, so he stayed behind

[amber oar]

I assumed he stayed behind to protect WCI in her absence

[crude abyss]

Was pudding on the ship? I can't quite remember

[pale tree]

I'm fairly certain Luffy is going to unlock his devil-fruit expansion ability that Katakuri mentioned/showcased in their fight to save the falling Onigashima. Would make sense now that he's beneath the island.

[grizzled fog]

She was not

She’s not much of a combatant either, so it wouldn’t really make sense to bring her, they have no need of her fruit either. Then again flampe came

[cyan berry]

Hey say what you will about Flampe, but she at least managed to weaken Luffy without him realizing it

[grizzled fog]

Tbh I feel like she just begged to come along

[hollow grotto]

wasn't there a cover page of Katakuri healing his wounds in the Mirroworld with Cracker? or was that not canon?

[cyan berry]

That was not a thing

[hollow grotto]

alright, must have just been fan art

ty

[vestal rampart]

what are the voices that momo, koby, and the girl from skypiea can here?

[cedar sinew]

momo is voice of all things, same thing Luffy, Roger, and Oden had

[vestal rampart]

yea

[cedar sinew]

Koby is awakening his obs haki by hearing the "emotions" of everyone. Similar to Otohime

[vestal rampart]

but what abt the girl from skypiea? obs haki?

[cedar sinew]

Aisa from Skypiea is also an extension of obs haki

[vestal rampart]

oh alright, then what if momo's is also just obs haki bc its pretty much the same thing

[cedar sinew]

they point out the parallel. Pretty clear that it's voice of all things

also obs haki only reaches out to humans, both Momo and Luffy were able to hear Zunisha

• nakomamushi or someone mentions how Roger and Oden said the same thing. And the Seakings point out the same thing w/ Luffy in FMI. They're all voice of all things

[vestal rampart]

No no, I know momo has the voice of all things. Im just wondering. Maybe what momo is currently dealing with is actually just his obs haki. The hearing of the voices (kaido and luffy).

[pure raven]

So is momos observation haki stronger than yamatos?

[pseudo citrus]

definitely, we haven't even confirmed that yamato has any observation haki afaik

the fact that he asked momo about what was happening on the roof is enough evidence for what you say, though

[vestal rampart]

yea, mai thinks its voice of all things though

[supple nimbus]

Yeah and plus it would be stupid and just plain bad writing to not give him an awakening after it being shown twice, lmao it's not just Chekov's gun it's Chekov fucking pointing at the gun and saying this might come in handy later.

[vestal rampart]

^

[pale tree]

Oh yeah for sure. I think it's just a matter of when/how it will come into play.

[supple nimbus]

That is the million dollar question

[cedar sinew]

didnt know you were referring to Momo in Wano. Thought you meant during Zou.
If it's regarding people then it's regular obs haki because as far as we know voice of all things only concern animals+inanimate objejcts

[pure raven]

Do y’all think Zoro is down for the count? Like we won’t see him grange any for the duration of the war?

[grizzled fog]

I’m sure he’ll fight again, most likely against orochi. If not he’ll fight fodder and maybe get a hit it on queen, but don’t expect him to be a major part of a calamity or tobi roppo fight, that ain’t happenin

[vestal rampart]

ahh, that's my bad. thanks!

[cerulean coyote]

I would like to know the difference btw voice and obs haki.

[copper frost]

His storyline with Hiyori and Orochi is still there, so that may be resolved soon

[vestal rampart]

as mai said, voice is more with things that are inanimate or do not speak (animals for example). Obs haki is more being able to sense presences though the whole voice part is kinda weird. Im assuming by voices everyone is reffering to life energy of ppl.

[cerulean coyote]

So Rayleigh has voice in feeling all animals on the training island?

[cedar sinew]

voice of all things: a special ability granted to a few users. You can "hear" animals like seakings or inanimate objects like poneglyphs.
obs haki: the ability to sense someone's will, intent, presence, and even emotions. As well as enhanced ability to perceive your surroundings.

I think there's a big different of being able to "feel" and being able to understand

voat is the latter

and rayleigh isn't confirmed to have voat, and probably doesn't. What he did on the training island was show his ability to perceive his surroundings through something's presense rather than understand them

[vestal rampart]

nah he doesnt have voice of all things. He could not talk to/understand the animals

https://tenor.com/view/rayleigh-dodge-practice-gif-14129189

this is actually not a bad gif to explain

https://tenor.com/view/rayleigh-dodge-practice-gif-14129188

@cerulean coyote

[still hound]

No summary?

[cedar sinew]

what summary

[still hound]

Aww I forgot this week is a break

[tired osprey]

god that first gif looks so wrong, like rayleigh dodging a naked giant

[grizzled fog]

Lmfao

[last halo]

Why, Oli?

[full imp]

[sacred bobcat]

Some people on here owe me money 🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱 tried telling them luffy not taking out Kaido on his own and that zoro is gonna find a way to go back to the roof top to help out Kaido

Talking to you @orojurp and @zoromukbang @vetqi

[winter wave]

"zoro is gonna find a way to go back to the roof top to help out Kaido"
What ?

[grim oyster]

zoro is out of the fight for good, hes in a full body cast bro....

[tidal scarab]

Break break break break break break

[grim oyster]

bro we have had like 3 breaks in a row pls no more breaks

great theory

[tidal scarab]

https://c.tenor.com/u5XFx8Gn8JkAAAAM/confused-what.gif

[cedar sinew]

@pure raven serious theories only

and not the channel to talk about breaks either

[pure raven]

This is serious

[blazing flame]

sanji needs to smoke king and queen asap

[tidal scarab]

Now I understand why op is taking so long to finish. So many breaks >.<

[blazing flame]

his time to shine has been pending for 30 chapters

[tidal scarab]

Ever since jinbei joined the crew sanji kinda got pushed in the nami ussop squad >.<

[blazing flame]

oda would never get rid of the monster trio i think he has something in mind for him

sanji will always be the third strongest in my eyes anyways

[tidal scarab]

Ye I like him too. But his weakness is killing me. Like for real. He rather dies by a women then achieving his dream

Or worse he let his crew die. BC he can't do shit to a enemy women or escape

[grizzled fog]

What are you talking about lmao zoro ain’t going back up

[mild kite]

Zoro going back to the rooftop is not far-fetched at all

[grizzled fog]

It really is, unless the roof is either empty or all the Strawhats go up for the nine shadows thing, and even then it’s incredibly unlikely

[visual merlin]

very far-fetched

[sacred hawk]

Considering we still have all the fights to get through, Zoro would basically spend the entire rest of the raid on the bench, and I doubt that'll happen.

[grizzled fog]

There’s plenty of things zoro can do

[visual merlin]

he probably won't stay on the bench the whole time, but he also won't be going back to the roof

[sacred hawk]

I agree, he won't

Since they're headed to the live floor, and we already know Marco's there, Zoro will probably get healed and help fight King and Queen. I feel like if Zoro was going to keep fighting Kaido, he wouldn't have said this:

He would have said something like, "It sucks that I have these injuries when Luffy needs my help"

[pseudo citrus]

it seems pretty reasonable to me that these kinds of comments, and kaido's comments from last chapter, could be setting up for him coming down from the roof to shock everyone by revealing that he beat luffy... wouldn't be surprised if roof fighting is done for the arc

[visual merlin]

would prefer it if he fought fodder or orochi. Him playing a big part in beating a calamity would be a bit disappointing from the calamity standpoint, unless it's some like 20v1 vs queen

[grizzled fog]

I’m okay with zoro getting like a single hit in on queen then doing something else

[tight stump]

wouldnt it make sense to have sanji and zoro go towards the two doctors, meaning: they should fight king and queen respectively?

[pseudo citrus]

zoro already took a ton of W's in the raid and broke 20+ bones in the process... any more fighting for him is a bit ridiculous imo, gives sanji his time

[grizzled fog]

Zoro might take part in a group fight against queen, since it seems that a lot of people are gonna be ganging up on him, but soloing s calamity is quite ridiculous and would make the calamities look incredibly pathetic

[pure raven]

There’s gotta be a limit to Marcos healing abilities, him healing zoro to full health is idk too much? I wouldn’t be surprised if Marco can’t heal bones tbh

[visual merlin]

we know he has a small affect on others already

[pseudo citrus]

if marco can magic zoro's bones back together, then it's a slippery slope of "why don't they just carry whomever is down to marco to heal them?"

my guy tanked an attack from 9B berries combined fighting power

[mint arch]

Makes sense , then we can see a little yamato vs kaido on the way and a flashback maybe

Mfer probably will cry mid fight cause he couldnt die to a monkey tho

[sacred hawk]

The thing is, we know Marco can heal broken bones. But based on what we've seen, the healing is only effective provided that the person rests

So the way I see this going is that Macro heals Zoro, but with the stipulation that if he fights at full power for too long, his injuries will come back.

So Zoro will probably be on a time limit if he fights an opponent

[pseudo citrus]

It just feels like there's a better choice instead of recycling Zoro... Unless there's another fight coming (cp0, blackbeard)

[sacred hawk]

Honestly, I don't really see many other options aside from Zoro and Sanji to take out King and Queen. Because it wouldn't be satisfying for Marco to do it, since we already know he's at that level, so there'd be no growth for him.

I don't see Drake or Apoo doing it either. Even if they're supernovas, they're still not really major characters in the way Law or Kid are. And given that the calamities have been built up as major antagonists, it would be really weird to give them to someone who isn't central to the plot of the arc.

[grizzled fog]

Queen has managed to piss off a fuck ton of powerful people as it happens, not to mention the scabbards on their way to him as well

[pure raven]

Someone new has to come into that war, BM is still there. After luffy or whoever beats kaido they’ll be too spent to take on bm and her kids/crew is still around somewhere

[grizzled fog]

Her crew likely isn’t gonna join while the raid is active, and there’s just enough people to take down BM

[acoustic helm]

Marco flames require persons stamina

Last time I saw zoro so beat was in sabody pts.

It would a miracle if zoro fight again normally.

I believe at max he can pull a big attac

But oda might have something up his sleeves.

[acoustic helm]

Some say BB's flying guy will kick them out again.

[polar bison]

i agree which is why i think Sanji takes out King and Everyone Takes Out Queen

sanji may have some help from izo if needed

[spice osprey]

What if Usopp's nose is actually a tumor, and if you cut if off...the One Piece falls out

[dusky acorn]

@spice osprey Keep the impossible joke theories out of here.

[dusky acorn]

On that note, Izo and Kawamatsu were the ones holding King off during the opening strike on Kaido too

When that happened, Jack exclaimed about the mink kings, who he then went on to fight, while King remarked on Izo for taking his sword away. Maybe not Kawa, but think that matchup at least is definitely going to happen

[polar bison]

I think Kawamatsu may be there for extra muscle against Queen

he was a tenant of Udon for quite some time, after all

[grizzled fog]

I know it’s unlikely but I want Sanji to have king all to himself

[dusky acorn]

Oh also, something that can make Izo helping against King even more fitting is how we know King has his own form of artillery

Yeah can agree to that, Kawa joining the gang against Queen sounds good

[polar bison]

i'm most confused abt where tf denjiro is going

[queen arrow]

Izo does a disarming shot at King again

[dark perch]

I forgot Denjiro was even a character. Thx for the reminder

[fleet gyro]

Hiyori maybe

[pure raven]

I don’t think Sanji can 1v1 King since he pretty much couldn’t even handle doffy for long at all and I’m thinking king is as strong or stronger than doffy

[grizzled fog]

Sanji has gotten a pretty large powerup since then ya know

Not like Sanji can’t grow a little mid fight too if need be

[pseudo citrus]

Will any of the minks die because of sulong exertion?

[grim oyster]

probably not, they might get captured tho

[polar bison]

sanji's gotten way better feats since then, and a huge upgrade on top of those with the raid suit

we didn't think zoro could tango with yonkou until he did

[pure raven]

I mean and look at zoros state now

[grizzled fog]

..? Point is he did much better than expected

Don’t think many people expected zoro to pull off a feat comparable to oden

[pure raven]

Yeah he did but he’s all broken now and the yonko are still up and running around. Idk I just don’t really see sanji 1v1 king and coming out on top

[grizzled fog]

Obviously zoro wasn’t gonna win against kaido lol

[polar bison]

he's broken because he was fighting the strongest creature in the world and he's not there yet. king is like, a million times weaker than kaidou

sanji beating king may not even be as good a feat as Zoro's on the rooftop

that's the point, it's comparable stuff

[pure raven]

lol my bad I forgot sanji now uses the vinsmoke armor

[polar bison]

yea that's kinda a big buff when he was already hard speed blitzing people like Oven and clashing evenly in power with Daifuku's genie

those guys are like flying 6 level combatants

[mild kite]

Pretty sure most people did once he got Enma and even more so when he arrived on the roof

[polar bison]

which is about when most people began taking it for granted that Sanji was likely taking down a calamity

[mild kite]

Sanji taking down a calamity and then some Mr. Prince action would be perfect

[sacred hawk]

Also, Law didn't do that much better against Doffy, and he still fought on the Rooftop.

[pure raven]

Test

[grizzled fog]

Uh law did very well against doffy

[polar bison]

^

he was still a tier below but like sanji was just kinda fucked up

[grizzled fog]

I wouldn’t call law a tier below doffy personally

[polar bison]

eh

like there's not really a world in which dressrosa law beat dressrosa doffy in a 1v1. he was clearly better

[grizzled fog]

Really wouldn’t say the gap is that big, law got consistently shafted with matchups that arc, got 2v1ed in Greenbit, and later had to deal with trébol on top of doffy too, and he still did incredibly well

[pure raven]

Roronoa zoro x ancient kitetsu one sword theory

In my theory zoro left his 3 sword in onigashima when he recovered after all bruises got from the battle to kaido he will recovered and bower the one sword kitetsu or cursed sword that will allow him to become stronger one's he has touch on it he will unlock his devil eye power or something demonic possesion power i believe that oda hint this before to us when luffy and zoro fought hawkins he sees the sword attracting him i hope zoro cut off kaido's head with this ancient sword 🤑69 bad english and grammar 2/10 points

[polar bison]

that's not really how doffy portrays it

[grizzled fog]

Wym how doffy portrays it edit: roger what

[polar bison]

doffy says repeatedly to him that both of them know that Law has no chance in a 1v1 against him, and that he signed his death warrant as soon as that's what he decided to do

[echo ingot]

Doffy likes to talk haha, just like at PH when he tried to scare Law with Vergo. Little did he know.

[grizzled fog]

I don’t really think that’s too reliable lol, doffy clearly underestimated law. He even thought Vergo would be too much for him. Not like doffy thought luffy could beat him

[polar bison]

and idt it's how oda portrays it either. law is relevant to doffy and can deal damage to him, but even his best attacks - which he was only to land bc of trickery with luffy and faking his death - were incapable of doing enough damage to bring the guy down

[grizzled fog]

His best attack dealt lethal damage, dude was quite literally being held together by strings

[echo ingot]

Gamma knife was enough, but Doffy had his own bs tricks to survive it.

[polar bison]

doffy was saying that after getting a far more accurate estimation of law's abilities from fighting him. ofc he underestimated Law when he hadn't seen him in so long, and didn't realize he was better than Vergo now, but when he said this he'd already fought Law once and was fighting him currently. as for luffy, doffy didn't know he had gear 4

so,,,, gamma knife wasn't enough. and again, he was only able to actually land it through faking his death + acting in a 2v1 surprise attack with Luffy. so the point that Doffy clearly > Law stands

[grizzled fog]

I think that’s putting a bit too much stock in doffy’s statement, dude clearly didn’t know his place, he tried defying Aokiji, attacked Fujitora and was even planning on disposing of him after. (Mind you he fought with him in green bit). I’d rather take law’s actual performance and feats over how strong doffy considers himself to be

[echo ingot]

idc how he landed it, that's beyond my point. Gamma Knife was powerful enough to bring him down.

[polar bison]

i don't care about your point, and wouldn't even if it was correct, given that doffy survived it and kept fighting to be able to kill Law . good bye

[echo ingot]

but Doffy patched himself up, so ooops.

nice talk lol

[sacred hawk]

Also Law only landed Gamma knife thanks to Luffy's help. It's not something he could have done in a 1v1

[echo ingot]

I'm talking about the attack and it's power level, not how he landed it and who was helping

[grizzled fog]

We really don’t know that, not like Law really got much of a fair 1v1

[echo ingot]

I've never even said Law was stronger than Doffy back then

[grizzled fog]

Doffy was stronger, but it wasn’t by much at all.

[sacred hawk]

What about on the bridge?

[echo ingot]

Just pointed out that technically Gamma knife is enough to kill him

[grizzled fog]

We didn’t see much of it, but the next time we saw them Fujitora was there with them

[sacred hawk]

I mean after he escaped Fujitora. Law fought Doffy 1v1 on the bridge and got beaten onscreen

[grizzled fog]

He fought doffy, but next we saw they went flying into the city, and Fujitora was there, law didn’t lose the fight right on the bridge

[polar bison]

he didn't fight aokiji bc he knew he'd lose. and he spoke about disposing of Fujitora in a "we" sense, implying it'd be a group effort

he tried to get around aokiji because it would serve him if he could surprise kill smoker, but there was still a clear recognition of the disparity in their powers

[sacred hawk]

Yeah, but Fujitora wasn't involved in that part of the fight. He arrived just as it ended

[grizzled fog]

Characters are overconfident and underestimate others all the time, even after fighting for a while , I don’t think doffy thinking law doesn’t have a chance should get nearly as much stock in it as you give it edit: brb I gotta go

[sacred hawk]

Either way, my original point was that Sanji's performance against Doffy doesn't mean that he can't 1v1 a calamity Wano, considering that Law is fighting the yonko despite not doing that much better.

[polar bison]

https://mangasee123.com/read-online/One-Piece-Digital-Colored-Comics-chapter-729.html

[sacred hawk]

Also, I'm not putting stock in Doffy's opinion. I'm putting stock in the actual outcome of their match

[uncut grove]

Enel might come back to earth

Due to the city under the moon

[last halo]

He might

[uncut grove]

Yeah

Enel cover story

I explained the story on general chat

[pale tree]

So I'm interested in (at least) two major events right now after Wano: the mysterious figure that sat on the throne of the world government, and the aftermath of Sabo's attack on Revery. Do you guys think the figure is a current character, and are they connected to the void century? And what role do you think the revolutionaries will play in the upcoming story?

[vale current]

Ym is sure to play its role into the main plot I guess mostly because she knows Shanks that is a really important key character since he knows shit from the roger era

[pure raven]

Imu?
Or there was someone else who i missed?

[dense wing]

Imu is the hidden figurehead of the WG, the one who destroyed the ancient kingdom in Joy Boy’s era
Probably could be our final villain

Sabo’s attack on Reverie should be expounded on post-Wano ye

The revolutionaries will be a major part of the Final War

I also believe that they may lead another breakout of Impel Down to free Bon-Clay and others

And in the process free Doflamingo

[pale tree]

Yeah, Imu, but I'm more interested in who or what they are and their connection to the rest of the story, as they've been introduced pretty late.

[pale tree]

Ym?

[hidden glade]

Which Character In OP u do like Most?

[grizzled fog]

Sanji, but this question would be better suited for another channel

[dusky acorn]

@orchid glacier Hey just so you know, gag theories are kept out of this chat, elaborate or not.

[orchid glacier]

oh my bad

[gray flower]

Doffy is too cool to be kept in a cage after being dealt with in 1 arc, I have a strong feeling he’ll be coming back

[teal nymph]

yeah he is most likely coming back since he knows some secrets about WG (maybe even play crocodile's role if he breaks out of impel down)

[vale current]

Imu how jp says Ym. But the most intriguing character is still vegapunk to me so rare lore of him

[teal nymph]

have we seen vegapunk or just heard about him?

[cedar sinew]

we saw his silhouette during a flashback

@teal nymph

[teal nymph]

so jus a

like imu ?

[cedar sinew]

not as clear as imu but yes, similar

[teal nymph]

well vegapunk has been around for much greater part of the story still shown much less than imu interesting ...

[cedar sinew]

well we hear a lot of references to his work throughout the story while Imu has only been mentioned once

[night jewel]

we saw his lower body and the silhouette of the back of his head, would say thats about the same as Imu

[teal nymph]

tbf not many ppl in op world know about imu but many know about vegapunk , yet very little is known about both

[novel shell]

each straw hats inherit some sort of will from another character, for example shanks and rodgers will in luffy, or zoros masters, mihawks and dragon slayer ryumas will

i believe these will are what will seemingly overcome kaidos eminence strength

i dont think its a coincidence that ryuma gave zoro the 'dragon killing blade' only for him to fight kaido 'the dragon'

[vivid pasture]

I think Imu is Rocks D. Xebec. After all, Rocks' ambition was to become the king of the world and Imu is the king of the world.

[zinc iris]

So after the god Valley incident where he attempted to overthrow the celestial dragons and was defeated, he was just let in Mary geoisie by the gorosei to rule?

[vivid pasture]

Idk, maybe you're right. After all, the Rocks Pirates were annihilated and Rocks didn't have much power left.

[zinc iris]

Rocks shows you there are other big malevolent powers vying to replace the WG so it's not going to be as easy as overthrowing the celestial dragons

Blackbeard is the next one that is going to pose that kind of menace

[pure raven]

Artur Piece debunked yet again ☑️

[polar bison]

ryuma didn’t do this thing, he’s been long dead. zoro’s in no way inherited his will as far as we know

[novel shell]

will can be inherited through swords

[pure raven]

Probably best not to rule out inherited wills when we don't have a detailed backstory of the original guy

[dusty pond]

Aye

What we saying about the warlord situation?

[visual merlin]

weevil captured buggy escapes mihawk on the run boa idk

[pure raven]

All of the warlods should be able to escape other then boa as she got an entire island full of people

[worldly anvil]

90% of them are turning to stone

[quaint dove]

I can see Mihawk escaping and allying with Shanks, Boa will probably be captured or will form an alliance with Coby and get away, Buggy will escape, Weevil captured

[heady cairn]

I don't think Hancock will be captured, Coby isn't stong enough to capture her alone

[visual merlin]

He most likely isn't alone though

there's probably at least a vice admiral leading that force

[vestal rampart]

i think coby is getting too strong too fast

he shouldnt be as strong as he is imo... I dont want him to catch up to luffy.

[visual merlin]

how strong are you thinking he is?

because in my view of how strong he is, the growth makes sense

[vestal rampart]

i just dont want him to rival luffy

[visual merlin]

how strong do you think he is?

[vestal rampart]

i hate how ppl compare them to garp and roger. luffy has always been so much stronger than coby, if coby were to catch up it would just discredit all of luffys work. I think coby rn is hard to scale, I just hope that he isn't as strong even in the end. luffy doesn't need a marine parallel

[visual merlin]

wdym by "he shouldn't be as strong as he is imo" then, I figured this meant you have an opinion on how strong he is rn

[vestal rampart]

ohhh, i mean, he shouldn't be as strong as ppl make him out to be currently. def not as strong as boa.

[visual merlin]

ah I would agree with that then

I think he's about as strong as zoro or sanji were pre timeskip, or maybe luffy pre timeskip

but it's pretty much inevitable imo that he will catch up to luffy at some point

catch up enough to be a challenge for luffy at least

[vestal rampart]

I think she's a bit stronger, maybe a bit lower than admiral level. I'd say around current sanji lvl (no raid suit).

[visual merlin]

boa?

[dusty pond]

I'd say shes stronger than sanji

[visual merlin]

I'd guess she's as strong as people like King, Katakuri, and Marco

[dapper skiff]

That would be good

Luffy really doesn't need a Navy parallel

[vestal rampart]

EXACTLY. its just annoying. the setup is annoying. coby has no reason to become as strong as luffy.

[gray flower]

Yamato is gonna save Luffy, her df is a Griffin

[quaint dove]

Yo her DF being a griffin would be sick

[pure raven]

Totally agree

We dont need any marine parllel

We got smoker fuji kobi as good marine

And fleet admirals are already strong enough to give a tough fight to shs

[vestal rampart]

exactly. do you think coby will become fleet admiral? even at that point he shouldn't be as strong as luffy.

[visual merlin]

no because fleet admiral is a desk job

[gray flower]

Coby is too cool to be stuck at a desk job, I see him going way of garp

Tho his dream is admiral so he might go for that tbh

[pure raven]

I dint think so yhat coby will become admiral anytime soon

He is still not at that level (4 me)

However he could be one at or when one piece ends like epilogue of one piece

[vestal rampart]

well i mean, luffy wont become priate king anytime soon

coby is maybe vice admiral lvl rn

[pure raven]

Well he is one of sowrds so he should be strong

[zinc iris]

which is also a reason I expected Kuina to be his last descendant, so that Zoro taking her mantle in a way continued that legacy, still by will instead of blood

then it turned out that I was right

[gray flower]

Also coby has been training like hell while already training like hell

And being personally groomed by garp is an honour, him growing fast isn’t a stretch imo

[pure raven]

Kuina really dead ? As we didnt see her die.

[pure raven]

Well still i wouldnt prefer him to come and challenge luffy on equal level

[zinc iris]

I'm pretty sure she's dead and trying to find a way to have her alive is a wild goose chase that also kinda betrays what was the point

[pure raven]

Well posible but the way oda doesnt kill people and she died in beginning kinda sus

[zinc iris]

people in flashbacks do often die, especially because their death is the most necessary for the plot to happen

[gray flower]

Yeah agreed, Rome wasnt built in a day and atm luffy is growing at a stupid fast pace too

[pure raven]

Well for me luffy currently digesting all that he learned during 2 year tskip

[zinc iris]

so only luffy is allowed to grow at that rate?

[gray flower]

Huh? Not my point at all

[pure raven]

Well he facung challennges far worse then coby could with marines

[zinc iris]

koby is not necessarily going to be luffy's rival but he will reach his goal to become admiral

[zinc iris]

we don't really know what he's doing offscreen except a couple of events

[pure raven]

Yeah agree he will become admiral maybe like after one piece main war

[zinc iris]

like during the timeskip he clashed with law

and now he's going to solo hancock

[gray flower]

Lmfao they better find common ground simping for luffy because no way in hell hammock will lose to coby or anyone around vice admiral level

[zinc iris]

plot twist the vice admiral is garp

anyway koby is clearly just a captain because he is considered too young and is even possible is career is being stalled by some other navy members unhappy of what he did at mf

and not a power level correlating rank

[last halo]

Yeah, we have no idea of how strong Koby actually is.

[rough pasture]

"If it’s revealed that Luffy is Joyboy and was always a destined prodigy foreseen to arrive and bring the dawn to the world and all that shit, it kinda sucks for the genuine pirates who weren’t destined to do shit, but still made it far in the world simply being themselves lmao " Saw this on twitter wanted to know yalls thoughts ?

[keen portal]

There's a more nuanced take on the whole fate vs free will and luffy being the chosen one than a single line like that

[heady cairn]

I don't like this theory that luffy is joy boy, because if this happen, luffy will have a mission or a destiny, so he won't be really free, because he will be stuck in this destiny and what he really want is an adventure and a predestinated adventure isn't a real one

[zinc iris]

luffy just happens to be a fit successor

but could have been someone else

[vestal rampart]

coby will become fleet admiral most likely, but it would be less like garp and roger and maybe more like how akainu and whitebeard were. Luffy would simply be stronger.

[heady cairn]

And the ideia that One piece pass, is that one day the world will be better and people that are in a ditactional regime or something that they are not free to live in their own ways, think in their own way, will be happy and free one day

[heady cairn]

This is better than Luffy being joy boy

[zinc iris]

I doubt about fleet admiral

[vestal rampart]

he will atleast be as strong as the fleet...

[zinc iris]

coby still too young for that level of responsibility, he'll be a regular admiral while smoker or fujitora will take the position of FA

[snow cloak]

I think dragon is the son of Rocks.D.Xebec. Garp is just raised as his adopted son.By seeing that only Roger gave ace to garp.

[grizzled fog]

Isnt this the plot of RttR?

[waxen dust]

Aokiji will be Fleet Admiral by EOS
Smoker will be promoted to Admiral

[last frost]

Like a reencarnation of the generation from the void century? Like every D is someone from then?

[zinc iris]

well luffy and garp look too much alike to not be related

[zinc iris]

I don't think One Piece does history like that

[grizzled fog]

Tbf. Ace and luffy looked similar

[pure raven]

Koushiro could still have nephews/nieces/kids

[ancient vault]

mfs wanna turn OP into naruto trash

[hidden tinsel]

Do you guys think there's a parallel with Luffy and Hercules

[pure raven]

Only if there's a parallel between Zoro and Beercules

[last frost]

Zoro story when? Are kuina/tashigi/other girl. Related? Zoro descendent of wano, adept in haki and for some unknown reason has conqueror's.

[grizzled fog]

Don’t see why his haki and his coc would be apart of any backstory he might get. That’s just how he is.
Kuina has already been revealed to be a shimotsuki anyway so that’s already a connection to wano for zoro

[lunar shell]

When tama will give her final order, her voice will reach Luffy throught the voice of all things, and Luffy will then open his eyes, full of will.

[versed swan]

Do you think Sabo is in Impel Down?
I think so. Because Doffy knew what happened even though he doesn't have an access to news. Maybe, Sabo is in level 6 along with Doffy.

[pure raven]

I think they prolly woulda killed sabo rather than throw him in impel down since what he did was pretty bad attacking the homeland of the “gods”

[zinc iris]

however the wg does enjoy public executions to demoralize its opponents

it was also the reason they made such a spectacle for the murder of the son of gold roger

[weary cliff]

They must really trust the SSG to risk Marineford 2.0 with a public Sabo execution. Idk if Oda would retread that hard, too. Dressrosa was one thing, but that would be the exact same arc premise

[zinc iris]

i doubt the announcement is the capture of sabo

either he escaped but was framed for murder of a beloved figure to discredit the revos, or was captured but announced dead so they can interrogate him in secret

[zinc iris]

this would be a cheap rehash of marineford with a cheap rehash of ace to begin with

[lunar shell]

Sabo kidnapped a tenryubito

He intend to exchange him for Kuma

[zinc iris]

revos wouldn't be that sad/distressed at that news

[weary cliff]

A fake death announcement is reasonable. If it was just news that Sabo was framed for Cobra's murder, then Dadan's reaction would be intentionally misleading. But if it was a big cover up that uses Sabo as a scapegoat for the WG having assassinated Cobra, and that he was reportedly killed in a confrontation, then it all makes sense. Both Iva's outrage and Dragon's suspicion

[versed swan]

Oh, your right.

But still, I believe that the news stated Sabo's death but it was faked. Since Doffy got the info from the newspaper then Sabo is not in the custody. Maybe, someone saves him. (Which I think, Jewelry Booney did.) Sabo tried to save Vivi but he was stopped by Booney. Then, Cobra shielded Vivi. After that, Sabo kidnapped Vivi and hide with the help of Oshi Oshi no Mi. They can't escape from the palace because Lindbergh is helping the WG. (This probably happened after the Reverie).
They announced that Sabo was killed because of killing Cobra. It doesn't matter if they announce Sabo is dead because they will be dead soon if no one will help them.

•My theory may be wrong but Sabo is not dead. Because if he is dead, Garp will lose his cool. Sabo is like his 2nd adopted grandson. But when he talked about it to Neptune, it doesn't feel like that he was about to cry.

[modest skiff]

This has been my assumption

[lunar shell]

Im telling you Sabo kidnapped a tenryubito and want to trade it for Kuma

That make sense with everything right ?

[pure raven]

Lol it was prolly the fat one named Charles 😂

[lunar shell]

Yeah

That would be the funniest choice

To wich one it doesnt match ?

Oh

True.

[weary cliff]

Why would Iva be so pissed and refuse to believe it, if it was something even sort of reasonable

[lunar shell]

Then what about something I heard. Shanks and the gouv made a fake news in order to attract teach and defeat him.

[pure raven]

They could be trying to make bb clash with dragon frfr I hopes dragon will kill him 💀

[lunar shell]

Shanks talk to gouv, gouv talk to morgan

[weary cliff]

Now that's interesting. I'd have to go back and check out what the Gorosei actually said, because I basically remember them being dismissive. But BB did get attracted by some kind of news

[lunar shell]

Lol me too Dragon is the best

But the fruit of Teach is way too strong against dragon that has the wind fruit

[lunar shell]

We dont see their reaction. But shanks tell them : I have to talk to you about a certain pirate

[zinc iris]

garp never adopted sabo however

to him he was just a friend of his grandchildren

[lunar shell]

I think we can all agree that sabo isnt dead. And isnt captured. So this leave us with a fake news. We know teach is interested in a conflict with dragon. So idk maybe the fake news is linked to that

Shanks and gouv trap Teach. Obv Teach will win. But this is also linked to what Oda said : red hair will make his move

That would be wayyyy too bad writting. Can t buy that.

Cuz sabo would be like a ace.renew

[zinc iris]

if he's not captured then the WG would not announce his caputre or death as it would be proven false as soon as sabo shows up again

[lunar shell]

There are fews gaps but I think its all linked.

Oda is trapping reader. Shanks is trapping Teach using gouv ressources.

Maybe sabo get to save Kuma if he play his role

I dont see a other reason for Shanks to talk to gouv... and Teach said he wont let the marine "have it"

Teach go where the marine are. After Shanks talk to their big leader. And he does that after reading the new that everyone else read too : sabo is ???

Some cry, some laugh, some make their move on it.

[obsidian kiln]

zeus is either gonna die or become nami’s pet

nami’ll probably overload or distract hera with black balls, the same way she did with zeus, to save our favorite cloud boi

[vestal rampart]

yes

[supple nimbus]

Prolly Nami's slave/pet, if you notice, the clima takt was inside Hera's mouth, so there is a chance where Zeus could've slipped in.

[pseudo citrus]

Something I've been considering: maybe Oden only wrote things in his journal that were relevant to Wano: the will of D, the prophecy about pirates returning to beat Kaido, Momonosuke bringing the dawn, that kind of thing. All we know is that Yamato said very important things were written in the journal. For us, the very important things are what the One Piece is and what the void century is, but for Oden and the people of Wano (including Yamato), those things aren't as important. I'm not saying that those things can't be written, but I could imagine Oden writing something like "when we saw the One Piece we all laughed", but out of respect for Roger he might have only written the things that applied to him, leaving Roger to start the great pirate age by teasing One Piece.

[pure raven]

Yamato is an oden fanboy so oden coulda wrote how to make his special oden 🍢 and Yamato woulda been like wow!!!!! And considered it to be very important

[pseudo citrus]

exactly, or maybe (tasteless joke) ||things he did when he was around Toki only||... since this isn't the channel for that kind of thing, I'll add a real comment: I still think there's a reason why you couldn't just write down what the One Piece was, or else it would have been too easy to spread with all the Rogers Pirates there, but it could even be that Roger asked them not to spread it around because he planned to announce its existence and didn't want the world getting spoiled

Gonna be awkward when Yamato tries to seduce Toki

[pure raven]

Also if it has any kind of info on the one piece, there is a good chance luffy could see it and pretty much it would end his adventure, i remember when he stopped ussop from asking Rayleigh things about it

[pseudo citrus]

Yeah people use that as an argument for why Yamato can't be a nakama, so what I said is just to counter that

I'll eat a shoe if Toki is actually dead

[pseudo citrus]

I want her to be dead, but after Pell/Pagaya/Pound, I refuse to believe

[sand sail]

That's silly, none of those people had the same kind of death. Toki was in the middle of enemy territory with people who specifically wanted to kill her as the main target, not just a side flex, and her death is a massive driving force in Wano

It'd be weird if she weren't dead

[pseudo citrus]

true, but her power specifically allow her from situations like that

[sand sail]

And she specifically chose not to use them anymore, they also don't save her life if she's already been mortally wounded

There was also a crowd who watched on to see her death, so she could come back sure, but it'd be real weird if she does

[pure raven]

It's that damn silhouette from 1004(?)

[pseudo citrus]

obviously it could be Hiyori, but why hide the identity?

I have a delicious shoe I'm ready to eat

[sly mulch]

I still don’t understand how the world found out that the Roger pirates reached laugh tale . Did the Roger pirates talked about it with other people ?? Or Could it be that when a person reaches laugh tale a sudden phenomena happens around the world ?.

[real swan]

I feel like they'd be pretty open about it.

Also we know marines tap into like every pirate conversation they can

[sly mulch]

Kinda weird though because the same day the Roger pirates reached laugh tale was the same day news about it spread around the world

[real swan]

It's probably the same crew that somehow gets all the bounty pictures lol

[sly mulch]

That’s pretty quick though

[real swan]

Don't underestimate one piece world's info gathering methods lol. Navy comes out with bounty posters like same day pirates achieve something. I also highly believe Roger and his crew just bragged about doing it.

I can see how it would be hard for the people to believe though without proof.

[sly mulch]

How come no one knows that the straw hats went to a sky island a defeated a person with possibly the strongest devil fruit

[real swan]

Cause none of them blabbed about it, except for the three that knew they were going there, and Blackbeard's crew of course.

I forget did they get new bounties after that arc?

[sly mulch]

They didn’t

[real swan]

Ahhh, see if they somehow had new ones after that then I'd be very skeptical lol

[real swan]

Here's a theory that sounds silly but Im kinda serious about...what if the reason Usopp is able to take so much damage as a "normal" person is because he unknowingly defends himself with armament haki as a defense mechanism? I know we joke about him having conqueror's too but I seriously believe that he will get all 3 lol at some point lol.

[worn radish]

I’m so confused

How would he take so much damage when he defends himself with armament?

[unreal prawn]

I think they mean the armament saves him from dying from the damage maybe

[queen arrow]

that's not how armament haki works

it's not like an extra life or an energy supply take keeps you alive, it's an invisible armor

[unreal prawn]

Well I meant in the sense of it tanking most of the damage for him compared to if he just got clapped without any haki

But Idk if that’s even true

[queen arrow]

then he'd still die from the injuries he got

it'd be one thing if he was hit a lot and didn't seem heavily injured, but if he's heavily injured he didn't survive it because of Armament

[unreal prawn]

Probably right. Just thought that theory was kinda interesting

[modest skiff]

oh snap didn't think about it being Toki 😮 😮 😮

[last halo]

That doesn't mean they got the news on the same day.

[pseudo citrus]

Morgans was on Rogers crew?!

[dusky acorn]

That is an existing theory, along with him potentially being just about any arbitrary former pirate of a past generation seeing as he has a particular interest in the current Worst Gen. I don't think his human identity is too important though

[modest skiff]

I still think the one piece is just a gateway to other worlds similar to a stargate and that's why everyone laughed, they were humbled by how small they were in the grand scheme of things, after supposedly being oh so powerful

[pseudo citrus]

Wouldn't some of them just go then? Lol

[modest skiff]

It sounded like Roger said the situation would have been different if he was there at a different time, which is why I think the mythical weapons or whatever are somehow needed. Or maybe not, but either way, Roger seemed disappointed by timing, as if it could have been utilized differently in some other circumstance. And the laughter to me just really says they felt humbled/small by what they found

[real swan]

Eh I said it was a silly theory anyways...but why wouldn't armement help? Like if he was that injured with armament that just means it would have reduced it enough to not kill him. Like we see Luffy use it to reduce damage from ulti's headbutt. Never said it was an extra life lol.

[carmine pond]

what if the one piece is the friends we made along the way?

[queen arrow]

because the amount of damage he does take would still kill a "normal" person

his skull still got cracked, so having armament or not wouldn't change shit

[real swan]

I guess that's mainly what I'm getting at is that something has to be happening for him to survive these things. Obviously it's gag-related too but it usually shows his strong will also

[queen arrow]

Usopp survives this things because he's an anime character

there's nothing "gag" about it, he's inherently superhuman by being part of an fictional action world

if you want to try and figure out a reasoning as to why besides "strong willpower" that's fine but it doesn't work with it being armament haki

[modest skiff]

It is always weird to me when realism becomes some sort of metric in anime lol

[pseudo citrus]

Momo hears the Voice of All Things, Usopp feels the Pain of All Things

[real swan]

Bruh none of what I was getting at was realism, haki ain't real lol. But yea it's obviously a stretch

[modest skiff]

Sorry, didn't mean to come across as critical, was just saying sometimes there are things that are contradictory in anime

[queen arrow]

i mean, discussing that Usopp wouldn't survive that is essentially a realism argument

a reason being wanted or needed for him surviving is essentially for realism

[modest skiff]

I honestly assumed a cracked skull means you die and I thought Usopp was gonna die in that moment. But then he survived and I just assumed a cracked skull isn't 100% GG. But then I was like "wait this is an anime lol".

[real swan]

No worries m8!

[modest skiff]

So tbh I still don't know the impacts of having a cracked skull whether IRL or in One Piece XD

[queen arrow]

it's for things like this that suspension of disbelief exists

[real swan]

Eh that's true! If we really want to get technical why does usopp have nose bones?

[modest skiff]

does that basically mean "accept what the writer gives you"? I can agree with that

[queen arrow]

i always imagined those as fragments of his skull actually

[queen arrow]

the suspension of disbelief is kinda like a switch on your brain that makes you get immersed on the story

you suspend your disbelief, as in you stop thinking as the story just as "something not real"

and when an author gets you in that state, it makes you stop thinking about how unrealistic a functioning human being made out of rubber is

[modest skiff]

Yeah, I try to do that with One Piece. I think its silly when people don't do that

[queen arrow]

when a story does things like breaking their own rules, or doing something too absurd it can break your suspension of disbelief, but i don't think Usopp surviving skull crack is that much of a big deal

for example, something like Luffy getting the power of 1000 devil fruits would break mine

[real swan]

The fact that characters can instantly grow teeth and bones by drinking milk also kinda invalidates my argument lol

[real swan]

When you say it like that too it really adds so much to the reveal of something like BB getting a second fruit. Things that normal people survive are insane but are so common.

[long yarrow]

anyone watch Mr. Morj's theory of one piece's ending

[weary cliff]

It's a pretty solid bet that One Piece will eventually end. Sounds a lot safer than his usual theories

[inner sphinx]

This has potential ; remember fishman island’s Noah? When sea-kings were leaving it at the shipyard they were wondering if “they” can fix it and also said that “time’s are changing” maybe one piece is the gateway and it was opened during the forgotten history; the designated day for Noah to be used can be the day straw hats reach laugh tale.

[modest skiff]

Yeah and my thought is that the group that was persecuted in the 100 year war escaped through this gate and that JoyBoy intends to return to get everyone who was left behind, all the other unincorporated lands like Wano

[inner sphinx]

I actually think luffy is the reincarnation of joy boy; the Poneglyph at fishman island was a letter from joyboy to a then “Poseidon”; he said he was sorry and that someone will fulfill his promise ( luffy also made a promise to shirahoshi) Seems like there’s a concept of reincarnation here.

[modest skiff]

Yeah I’ve wrestled with the idea of reincarnation and I think it would be counter to the idea of freedom

[weary cliff]

Luffy is the strongest contender

[modest skiff]

Contender for what

[weary cliff]

The next joy boy

[modest skiff]

I don’t see why joy boy can’t be the same one and still come back

[weary cliff]

Thats another option

[modest skiff]

JoyBoy said they’d be back and I see it as simply as that

[weary cliff]

Toki toki no mi makes it a literal possibility

[modest skiff]

Yeah for all we know he already got tossed in a portal and just comes flying out of the sky at laugh tale when Luffy arrives xD

[weary cliff]

There's the worry though that if Joyboy is going to be so pivotal for the final war and everything, that it takes too much of the spotlight off Luffy if suddenly there's this new ultra important character literally coming out of a deus ex machina.

A theory I kind of like is Vivi as the new Joyboy

[gloomy canyon]

Because this series is about inherited will, not dead characters coming back alive

[modest skiff]

I think the way one piece handles inheriting is different from reincarnation

[gloomy canyon]

On Oden's return to Wano after his voyage to Laugh Tale, he said he had to open the borders in preparation for Joyboy's return, which was in obvious reference to Luffy

[modest skiff]

I’m not convinced it’s all that obvious. I think it could still be someone other than Luffy.

[weary cliff]

It could be interpreted as a point against Luffy. Because Luffy is among those helping opening up the country, and the real Joyboy has yet to come to Wano

[modest skiff]

If Oden knew Joyboy was coming back and knew Wano was closed, he’d want it to be open instead

[gloomy canyon]

Yes, his goal was to open the borders for Joyboy's return

That just didn't end up happening because of Kaido and Orochi's takeover

[weary cliff]

And obviously whether or not the border was open didnt matter to Luffy. I think Luffy is the most obvious answer, especially given the giant straw hat, but it's something to consider

[modest skiff]

Yeah if Joyboy is getting reincarnated, Luffy makes a ton of sense. I'm just still not convinced Joyboy can't be like 3000 years old. One Piece has surprised me before. The wording just makes me feel like Joyboy physically went somewhere, retaining his consciousness etc, rather than being reincarnated

[weary cliff]

Well you should also consider the sea kings talking about another being born in a distant sea

[modest skiff]

True, and that would make sense. Kind of related, I have wondered if devil fruits are reincarnations of the people who left the glyphs

[weary cliff]

It's been speculated. Toki shows us that dfs already existed during the void century, but the timeframe isnt concrete enough to fully rule that out

[modest skiff]

ohhh that's true, makes sense

[pure raven]

Didn’t the sea kings mean luffy when they said another being born in a distant sea?

[weary cliff]

We can only assume so

[pure raven]

Gotcha

[modest skiff]

Yeah it felt like they were referring to him as "another" and I assumed another Roger since Roger could hear them the same way

[versed swan]

Well, we have some information about DF - thanks to Ceasar's Smile. The captured Tontattas are working at the Smile Factory but, not on the tanks of "Smile's liquid form?" that so important to Doffy, instead they are working on a garden wherein they harvest Smiles like regular fruit. Here's my theory:
•The "Smile liquid form" is the plant of Smile in liquid form since the color of that liquid is green. Then, after it becomes a seed or directly becomes a plant, they need the princess to help the plant grows.

Does this mean that DF's were originally from a plant modified by Science?

I have another question, How the heck did Doffy got Ace's fruit? Does he know the nature of DF's?

Or maybe, Ceasar create eat? That makes sense since it's a two years gap between the war at marineford and the battle at Dressrosa.

[cedar sinew]

he's a prominent name in the under world

extremely big network of connections

he could've sent his officers to track it down or gotten it through a trade deal on the black market

[versed swan]

But, BB was there that time - during the war. He could just get the Ace's DF.

This is still a mystery that is hard to solve.

[cedar sinew]

maybe BB didn't know the trick at that time

or was too preoccupied

[versed swan]

He stole WB's DF that time

[cedar sinew]

yeah and we don't really know how

presumably through his yami yami

[versed swan]

Yeah, it is a mystery

[cedar sinew]

even if we say it was through the yami yami, it'd be impossible to do so with Ace

as they were pretty far apart

and both the WB pirates and the admirals were chasing Ace/Luffy at the time of Ace's death

so the only other possibility is through the fruit trick

which I'm guessing he just didn't know or care enough

[versed swan]

I also believe that it was because of the Yami Yami.
•Once their user is dead, the DF's power escape from that user's body then will find fruit. (Just like what happened at Punk Hazard). However, BB covered the cape with darkness. The DF's can't penetrate darkness so it was trapped. After that, BB absorbs the DF's power by another unknown trick.

[cedar sinew]

🤔

idk about the df not being able to escape the users body just cuz it's covered in dark cloak

that would mean that if a df user dies in a dark room then the power will just stay there?

imo a more plausible explanation is that he sucked the df power midair (or something similar), transferred it to a fruit, and ate it. Or, I guess a direct absorption may work as well

and the cloak being a special requirement to achieve "complete darkness" for a technique to such a degree

or it might've just been to keep it a mystery to the world + the readers

[pure raven]

Bb knew as he stole his darkness fruit by killing one of the crew member .

[cedar sinew]

knew what

[pure raven]

How to steal df

[cedar sinew]

he stole the df before thatch had eaten it

he was holding the df

and bb killed him and ate it

[pure raven]

I think he did so as he didnt want other to know of the method of getting thr df after user dies.

[pure raven]

It was never mentioned whether he ate the df or not

All we knew is he found the df and wb ship rule was that whoever find the df eats it and so bb killed him no idead whether before he ate the df or not cant say for sure.

[cedar sinew]

we see thatch holding the df and BB in the shadows

it's implied he killed him and ate it

no need to overcomplicate it

[inner sphinx]

Yeah, it’s obvious and also he even tells ace all about it right before they get into the fight

[fallow knot]

I don't think it's bcoz of yami yami.at dressrosa burgass try to steal luffy's power and Big mom also get her fruit power through mother caramal

Yes they get power by eating human flesh maybe heart where soul is captured

[hearty igloo]

What is kaido mean by luffy get a powerful weapon?

Why i feel kaido not very happy with his victor?

[dark palm]

he means CoC

and kaido isn't happy at all, he thought luffy would be the person finally strong enough to kill him

[pure raven]

CoC coating

[hearty igloo]

So not a weapon from pluton, or others powerful?

But why he just throwing him from the cliff? Not doing exactly beheading luffy and claim his victory???

[dark palm]

did you read the chapter?

he got excited and smacked him too hard, basically

thinking luffy could take it

then got pissed at himself for doing so

[pure raven]

I love the image of an excited kaido smacking luffy just for his face to turn into immediate disappointment

[ancient vault]

It still feels cheap that luffy got away like this because kaido made a stupid mistake but ig

[sturdy hawk]

Its an emotional decision

[ancient vault]

that'd indeed be funny

[dark palm]

honestly doesn't feel cheap at all

given what we know about kaido

[ancient vault]

a lucky one

[sturdy hawk]

Such an arbitrary system you use

[dark palm]

look how hyped kaido is lol

"FINALLY, SOMEONE TO MATCH ME AFTER ALL THESE YEARS"

smack

"fuck."

not only that, luffy had been matching him throughout this

so he probably tried to do an attack that was previously blocked and luffy just... ran out of haki

as kaido said, he got over-confident with his new weapon

[ancient vault]

Its cheap that luffy after being defeated doesnt get killed by him because Kaido accidentally sent him off the island. So, all the time ppl were saying "if luffy loses hes dead" and kaido telling us hes gonna kill him, he actually gets away by being lucky?
Im not saying its illogical. Thats not my point. Its cheap that he gets away like this because of a silly mistake by kaido

[dark palm]

but it's an understandable mistake

[gloomy canyon]

It was a mistake by Kaido because Kaido believed Luffy was able to match him

[dark palm]

and it's not cheap in the slightest given what we know about kaido's character + the prior encounter

[gloomy canyon]

And got over excited

[dark palm]

you actually have to try to call this cheap

and ignore all the development in the last few chapters

[ancient vault]

Youre literally explaining to me what I already know lol. Its still Luffy getting lucky after he got his shit rocked in

[gloomy canyon]

But it's not cheap. Kaido would do this

[dark palm]

It is hard to fathom your mindset

it's not out of character, it's not something out of the blue, and it's not a break from what we expect

[ancient vault]

I literally never said that

it's not out of character

[sturdy hawk]

You have to bring it down to the most surface level ignoring context to call this cheap imo

[dark palm]

if you're not going to renounce anything I said

then how is it cheap

just because?

[copper frost]

i think the off screen works better for the drama

[gloomy canyon]

swrml you're basically bringing this down to a plot armor asspull for Luffy

[copper frost]

oda knows we would want to see how he got defeated, he denies us that and basically says, "there you go, luffy couldnt do much", in all honesty, the impact there is a lot more potent than seeing them just keep sparring in progression until kaido beats him down anyways

[gloomy canyon]

it was meant to be a shocking turn of events

last 2 chapters giving us hope that Luffy has "got this"

[dark palm]

would be redundant with luffy getting smacked earlier

[gloomy canyon]

then this chapter we cut to them and boom, Luffy's KOed

[dark palm]

but I don't think swrml has an issue with that

so

[ancient vault]

Literally noone is saying its out of character. Nor am I saying this particularly is only plot armor for luffy because literally anything that gets luffy off the island away from kaido would be considered plot armor. I'd rather have had luffy being yeeted off by Yamato as a last attempt to save him resulting in a father vs son showdown
Also dont have any problem with the cliffhanger

[dark palm]

I like this because it's more of a character moment for kaido

just know the connotations when you say cheap, because you're implying that it's plot armor in some way which is just not what that term means

[pastel summit]

Luffy getting lucky would be him being knocked off and happening to land on the wano mainland. Unless we're already deep into Wano and Kaido couldn't have sent him far enough that he'd land in the water, then I'd only say Luffy is lucky if his life isn't in immediate danger

[ancient vault]

it feels cheap to me

[dark palm]

just cause?

[ancient vault]

then I'd only say Luffy is lucky if his life isn't in immediate danger

Well thats clear tho right? What threat is there? Except for the ocean

[pastel summit]

Yes. It would be the ocean. hence my comment.

[ancient vault]

octopus gonna save him

[sturdy hawk]

if he managed to resist enough for wano to reach mainland I wouldnt call that lucky imo

[ancient vault]

not long ago Big Mom was over the ocean right?

[dark palm]

!wanomap

[lone hedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/486983010025996299/698548097428619304/Wano_Map.png

[gloomy canyon]

we know they were fighting for over half an hour

hence why Kaido got too overexcited

[sturdy hawk]

Nah a few dozen minutes passed

[ancient vault]

someone calculate the distance they traveled

[dark palm]

onigashima reaching land means it's almost there

[sturdy hawk]

Dont know how much that is

[dark palm]

we have no way to calculate distance

[sturdy hawk]

Oda didnt give specific times

[dark palm]

unless we want to get REALLY theoretical and estimate the height of the mountain

based on the relative picture of the flower capital

[gloomy canyon]

waste of time, because people thought that panel of Mt Fuji in the distance signified that we were over mainland

[dark palm]

but you'd have to start stacking x-drakes

[gloomy canyon]

But we weren't

[ancient vault]

Kaido probably simultaneously lifting his favorite island to wano

Would be funny if he did all that while lifting 2 islands

[ancient vault]

but mt fuji is huge