manga-theories

[scarlet urchin]

By the way, I don't know if this was ever discussed, but "Imu" is the name of a mental-disorder that only the Ainu could develop. Were there any theory based on that?

[worthy belfry]

most likely joy boy was king of earth, while im sama was alien from moon , seized power and declared him world goverment

[worthy belfry]

whats ainu?

[zinc iris]

Imu is the real king of the world that actually commands the Five Elders

oh sorry

[still ore]

imu definetely should be luffy's mom

[zinc iris]

Ainu people are an ethnicity that lives in the northern island of japan

[still ore]

the entire world was just spectating Dragon and Imu's divorce

thats why he made the revolutionaries

[worthy belfry]

dragon's bounty is not known yet

[zinc iris]

well it's not the only one really

[worthy belfry]

shanks got revealed right?

[zinc iris]

yes, but nobody else on his crew
same for most Whitebeard pirates

[scarlet urchin]

Also, the reason it's relevant is because the ainu were oppressed by Japan and a lot of their history was lost through forced assimilation and discrimination

[zinc iris]

we don't even know King's bounty despite already knowing Jack and Queen for a long while

[worthy belfry]

ben would be slightly higher than king,

[worthy belfry]

ohh , wow queen is 1.3 right

I feel like katakuri bounty of 1 billion seems low now, he looks way strong than queen

[zinc iris]

well bounties also factor other things

like Queen might have an infamy boost because as the other beast pirates he is highly destructive and cruel

[worthy belfry]

just like native americans

[cedar sinew]

queens poison gases and shiz probably killed way more innocent people than katakuri ever did

[worthy belfry]

queen poison better than caeser poison?

is queen a scientist?

[cerulean coyote]

Queen uses chemical weapon. Even Kidd had a bounty higher than Luffy. Its about the threat level

[cerulean coyote]

Ceasar poison was a partial failure. If i remember properly some soldiers were healed...

[worthy belfry]

kid must have done very very some awful thing, luffy bounty he got after defeating multiple warlords, declaring war on world govt and being son of dragon

[worthy belfry]

yea , ceaser potion in punk hazard just froze people , didn't kill at all

[zinc iris]

yes he is

[cedar sinew]

it also poisoned them

[zinc iris]

it seems he even knows judge

[cedar sinew]

they were just able to unpetrify them before it was too late

[pure raven]

I think that luffy will be on the verge of death sometime and law sacrifices himself by using the eternal life on luffy

[cedar sinew]

it's eternal youth

not the ability to make someone unkillable

[pure raven]

ok but it could still save someones life on the verge of death

[sturdy hawk]

No it can't lol

[cedar sinew]

I just said it's not the ability to make someone unkillable what do you mean by "ok but"

https://pm1.narvii.com/6492/4e700246c78c1c2e5694762bc662c77c43443dc7_hq.jpg

[tawdry bramble]

Luffy already has eternal youth because his organs are rubber and won’t wear out like normal ones would?

[cedar sinew]

rubber also wears out

also it's not like his entire body is made out of rubber, his organs are just able to stretch.

he still has regular cells in his immune system that'll grow weak and die of old age

[signal plank]

So joyboy was the first person with conquerers and founded a nation where everyone was equal.His children were also some of the strongest people in the world (ancient weapons) the world nobles were jealous of him and imu wanted the power too so imu created devil fruits and offered them to the world nobles assets. Imu was the sea devil. they used the power of devil fruits to overthrow joyboy who formed a pirate crew and they all got the initial D because there relationship surpassed blood. Then two of the D's betrayed joyboy since they wanted imu's power.Imu gave one of them the power to eat more then one devil fruit and he is the ancestor of blackbeard.After all of this joyboy lost the fight but his crew's children carried on the will of D. Joy boy's own children though never joined the crew and ran away from all the turmoil and gained there powers as the ancient weapons.

[coral lodge]

we still dont know the extent of eternal youth surgery

it might very well save someone's life

maybe Kaido was operated on by a former op op fruit user too

[cedar sinew]

why make random assumptions instead of going off of what law has directly stated

the operation is meant to make someone ageless

[coral lodge]

doesnt that make someone immortal tho, also law can heal people so eternal youth operation maybe completely heals people too, as for the theory law will operate on luffy i dont think so

[cedar sinew]

they won't age. As in they won't die a natural death. It doesn't state anywhere that it makes you invincible. And most importantly Luffy wouldn't want either of those anyway

[coral lodge]

he wouldnt, im just saying i dont think we can know the extent of eternal youth surgery since there isnt an example we know of so it is still open to assumptions imo

also what do you think about this theory that Blackbeard didnt get gura gura no mi powers himself but rather absorbed the gura gura powers and injected it to his ring? very much like spundam's elephant sword? we know one person can have one fruit, so this makes a lot of sense to me that he just injected gura gura power to his ring and he is always shown using gura gura with his right hand

[dusky acorn]

also law can heal people so eternal youth operation maybe completely heals people too
Law's fruit from a fundamental standpoint isn't really healing in the sense of instantaneously recovering someone on the spot. If it was like that, he'd have done something to Zoro instead of leaving the instructions to Sanji in the latest chapter.
Law is just able to perform pinpoint accurate surgeries. The condition of a person still needs to stabilise on their own afterwards. Luffy needed 2 weeks after getting treatment to wake up, and even then Law said his wounds could reopen.

That's why I don't think the perpetual life would be like, an instant Full HP type thing or anything. It's just a surgery that passively gives the bonus of no longer ageing, for the eternal future

[cedar sinew]

yeah laws fruit is quite literally meaningless to a non doctor

[coral lodge]

fair

[cedar sinew]

isn't this disproven?

I think he switches hands

[coral lodge]

could be, havent seen him switching hands but isnt it easy to switch rings too lol

[fallow tree]

its been disproven

[coral lodge]

oof

i was interested in that theory, i still wonder what BB's "unknown" technique is

[cedar sinew]

this is something I've always believed in

idk how exactly it'll be neatly connected but it 100% has to do with BB's body structure

[fallow tree]

meh

i want it to be something cool tho

[cedar sinew]

going off of hints and foreshadowings placed by Oda always result in better theories than "something cool"

[fallow tree]

like he absorbed his unborn triplets

[coral lodge]

interesting, it makes sense but i want it to be cooler other than BB doesnt sleep

[coral lodge]

yeah that theory is lit too

[cedar sinew]

BB not sleeping is the only hint ever given by Oda regarding his 2 DF powers

and the flag everyone likes to mention

[fallow tree]

he doesnt sleep cause the voices from his unborn siblings keep him up at night

[cedar sinew]

1. how would Im create dfs
2. how would Im grant random powers like the ability to eat 2 dfs
   Kind of sounds like you're attributing everything to Im

[zinc iris]

one idea is that BB is two people in one, and the two individuals take turns controlling the body hence no sleep, and each of them is holding a df solving the limit problem

[fallow tree]

but 3 headed flag

[cedar sinew]

that one also has quite some faults

BB saying "this is my age" instead of something like "this is our age".
Also don't think you can eat 2 dfs simply due to split personalities

and we've already seen Cavendish with similar characteristics

[zinc iris]

it's not a simple case of personality disorder

[cedar sinew]

would be redundant

so it's a df power?

[zinc iris]

more like chimerism

[fallow tree]

his 3rd(1st) df allows 2 more

[cedar sinew]

like the jacket fruit but it's just two bodies of the same person?

[zinc iris]

no more like two distinct individuals that were born merged together

[fallow tree]

oh

[cedar sinew]

and how would that happen. Just from birth?

[fallow tree]

so like him absorbing unborn siblings?

[fallow tree]

so like i said earlier

[zinc iris]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor_Muhl

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimera_(genetics)

[cedar sinew]

hmm 🤔

[fallow tree]

shift left click the top right of the image

[cedar sinew]

and does having this disorder prevent sleep?

[zinc iris]

of course not

[cedar sinew]

so how would blackbeard do it

[zinc iris]

unless you exaggerate this and end up with two brains

[real swan]

What about the fact that Blackbeard went to drum island at some point before Luffy? He could have forced wapol to combine BB with other people, and thus be one person who has the properties of multiple.

[fallow tree]

maybe hes Cerberus

[zinc iris]

this is an interesting idea however IIRC Wapol immediately fled the country as soon as BB showed up

[real swan]

And it still wouldn't add up with the idea his body has been weird since he was a kid too

[cedar sinew]

it's something that has to happen at a GENETIC level. Simply combining "bodies" or having "multiple bodies" doesn't make sense.
I think the Chimera idea is interesting. Not sure if Oda will go for the super scientific explanation, but I definitely like it a lot more than all the crazy df ideas since it can address Marco's point on BB's body (and you can twist it to fit the sleep thing ig)

[real swan]

Basically, we know his body is super durable, able to withstand not sleeping, and can hold more than one DF.

And it was this way since being a lad

[cedar sinew]

the "not sleeping" part is inherently related with how DFs work in general, which we'll get a better explanation of once we see Vegapunk

[real swan]

Bring me vegapuuuuuuunk!

[lyric dust]

this is actually a great possible explanation for bb's 2 dfs 🤯

it like, connects more to the abnormal body theme mentioned by marco than the 3 souls shit

[pure raven]

What sense does that make?

Shuts down metabolism completely? That's a dead person

And sleep wouldn't make a difference here

Actually, he most probably needs to waste more energy because he doesn't sleep

[rain crag]

Or you know
The triplets sleep in turns

Making it so that it looks like bb never sleeps

[pure raven]

Magic triplets sleeping in turns is where we're at

'magic', more like sci fi

[weak arrow]

Split brain and having them sleep alternatively is clearly the best theory

[rain crag]

Honestly never sleeping doesnt make sense to me

Even for an anime perspective the longest anyone has gone wirhout sleeping is 11 days

[pure raven]

You should sleep like 8 hours. A day has 24h. 24/8=3. 3 turns of 8 hours, 2 personalities accessible at all times

[rain crag]

After that you'll sleep so deep that you'll never wake up

[pure raven]

You have a source for that patient, chief?

The coma after 11 days of total sleep deprivation one

[rain crag]

Yeah i dont know that jaya incident didnt seem like luffy and zoro were talking bb's "crew" instead they observed something about blackbeard but they didnt say cause they dont care

I saw it in a documentary somewhere

[pure raven]

Found the 11 days dude

But not the coma

[rain crag]

Oh by "never waking up" i meant you die

[pure raven]

That 11 days guy got the normal symptoms of sleep deprivation, just stronger. I've felt all of what the Wikipedia page talks about

It's still associated with lots of diseases, but yeah this is a magical manga, it's irrelevant

[rain crag]

You start to hallucinate
You feel tired all the time
Your hearing sensations gets stronger and at one point your brain shuts down

[pure raven]

No sauce 🥲

[rain crag]

I cant remember where i saw it

[pure raven]

It's ok, it doesn't matter here

[rain crag]

Whats important is why that dark clothing to hide himself while taking wb power

[pure raven]

Could just be bc he wanted to keep the secret

[visual fossil]

what if yamato learned how to read the poneglyph to mimick her idol oden?

[pseudo citrus]

It wouldn't make sense for oden to write how to read poneglyphs in a journal

He probably planned to teach Momonosuke himself... It could be part of why he felt it was so important to survive the boiling

[dusky acorn]

Yamato having somehow learned the language is very unneeded as a crew member so long as Robin is on board. It does have merit if she's staying back in the country to potentially teach Momo though

[weak arrow]

Damn, the first good reason for yamato not to be a strawhat

right after i voted yamato to be a strawhat an hour ago

[polar girder]

sanji will replace zoro in the fight against kaido and will break his leg, chopper will try to heal his leg and ends up killed by kaido. oda said that before luffy became the pirate king, someone on the crew would die

[weak arrow]

That was Going Merry

[grizzled fog]

Someone on the crew died already

[visual fossil]

or maybe jinbei to even the power dynamic in the crew

[polar girder]

well i have another one

[dusky acorn]

I still think staying in Wano is the unlikelier of the two routes for Yamato's character to take. I think Yamato taking this current action to help Luffy over primarily protecting Momo sorta speaks volumes, and perhaps a signifier for the future choice she'll make too. Can def see her start itching for adventure over staying with Wano now that everyone would be safe. Can always come back to teach Momo after the journey to OP is over, even if she does know the language somehow

I still would much prefer the SukiTetsu theory to teach Momo instead, though

[polar girder]

after the war of wano luffy he will be captured by the navy, and will be executed but law with the powers of the ope ope no mi will sacrifice himself and give his life for luffy

[weak arrow]

No reason to even have Jinbe join if he's jsut gonna die like that

[craggy pumice]

especially not for some made up power dynamics lol

[grizzled fog]

Ignoring how stupid the rest of this sounds, you know the eternal youth surgery just makes him ageless right? It won’t make him invincible or heal all injuries

[polar girder]

ik but sabo and ivankov will be there to help

[weak arrow]

Also, the eternal youth surgery sort of died until after Law learns about what D means.

[dusky acorn]

Also who would these marines be or where would they be coming from, Drake is the only marine on Wano as far as we know

Don't think there was anyone undercover with him either, he called himself an army of one

[visual fossil]

who do you think who is who is ? a former shishibukai , marine wb commander , ace's sapades crewmate ?

spades*

[dusky acorn]

I really like the Who's Who Warlord theory. I think a big twist like that only would fit with the amount of wait that's been given on this reveal

I listed all the main evidence I've heard earlier about it, but it does take a fair bit of extrapolation to justify

So yeah, this is like the only "in-story" evidence that's actually going for it, if we're not talking about themes and what not

Basically that this quote is hitting closer to home to Who's Who than what first appears, and he's speaking on behalf of how he believes a Warlord should act, with pride. (Presumably how WW acted when he was one).

[visual fossil]

what if they were asked to join the warlord system , who s who declined and regretted it afterwards while jinbei accepted it to protect his ppl

maybe he was in the governement as some cipher pole leader

[dusky acorn]

Well, what we do know for sure is that he was a former captain, I don't think his backstory is going to be so multi-layered to the extent of being in Cipher Pol

That's going through a lot of phases in his life

The reason making him a Warlord is easier is because he could have already been one as the established pirate captain we already know he was

[visual fossil]

that would go with the eye woman spy theory and it would be a good way to bring some buster call or something as such to wano

and then kizaru may show up

[tawdry swallow]

i wonder what kizaru would do........

[tame plover]

||do you think a strawhat will die in the war?||

[wicked grove]

No

[tame plover]

oh ok

||i want 1 to die||

[wicked grove]

Luffy’s vow after the time skip was to never let another friend of his die

[wicked grove]

Which one?

[tame plover]

hmm maybe franky?i would like to see how luffy reacts to franky franky isnt in the headline imo

franky hasnt shown much for luffy

[wicked grove]

I think Franky dying would kind of be random

[tame plover]

what do you guys think choppers bounty will be?

[wicked grove]

Bro he built the Sunny and maintains it I’d say that’s showing a lot

[tame plover]

hmm not like zoro he basically died for luffy

[polar bison]

but it kinda falls apart immediately in that regard, because they just gave Momo their only source of Oden’s words. if they learned poneglyphs from him, wouldn’t it have been thru the journal??

[wicked grove]

Franky also declared Luffy would be the pirate king

[tame plover]

and what do you think will be zoros reaction if he sees sanji beating luffy?like in germa kingdom i think

would zoro kill sanji?

[weak arrow]

Momo isn't gonna be able to learn the language and then write it by reading a journal in 2 hours

Granted, i also expect the log to be completely destroyed

b4 the arc ends

[wicked grove]

Or Momo will keep it

[tame plover]

what do you think will zoro do?

[pastel summit]

I think the journal might say how Oden died, which could inspire Momo. I don't imagine it says something so meaningful and specific knowledge Oden had.

[tame plover]

ohh ok that makes sense

[wicked grove]

Not that I disagree, but why?

[polar bison]

that’s more fair okay

[polar bison]

yea I mean ultimately I just don’t think Yamato can read poneglyphs

[weak arrow]

It's the most wanted knowledge in the entire world. It existing is a danger to society

[pseudo citrus]

how would oden's journal say how he died? since it was written by him

[pastel summit]

Almost definitely not. I don't imagine any super secret knowledge was kept in there, just details of how Oden lived his life and what he did.

[worthy belfry]

Oden journal must have laightel location

[wicked grove]

Imagine another flashback based on the journal

[polar bison]

also yes. I don’t think we have any evidence to suggest that Oden actually recorded specific information about Laugh Tale/One Piece

[weak arrow]

Also I feel like Orochi’s fire has to do something that’s legitimately meaningful, which will be the destruction of the log, and will end up being kaido’s comeuppance for betraying Orochin when that knowledge is what’s Kaido been seeking

[wicked grove]

I like the theory

Truly I’m just waiting for spoilers to come out

[pure raven]

Miht get whos who
This chap

[worthy belfry]

Oden probably didn't knew that it was secret info so he just recorded it

[polar bison]

also a big fan of this. tbh it’s the only way a Who’s Who/Jinbe fight really makes sense to me. otherwise it’s such a random match up.

and it’s also the only way I can see Who’s Who’s identity being like, an actual interesting reveal, because he’s certainly not a previously known character.

and also since he’s based on a pink panther he fits the warlord animal theme convention

[weak arrow]

Kaido would be able to gleam at least 1 road poneglyph location from that journal and learn the 4th one used to be on FMI at the very least

[pure raven]

No it wouldnt have
Even if ut t did then tht page would have burned
As then what is the reason behind red pienglylhs os far

[polar bison]

did oden record that Zou has a poneglyph?

[weak arrow]

That’s why it’s burned and no one tells anyone. Similar to Rayleigh not telling Luffy anything.

[weak arrow]

I don’t see why he wouldn’t.

[pure raven]

Maybe no
As no reveal so far

Even about one piece tteasure he wrote
We kbow what people of d are what ancient weapons are

[weak arrow]

Being like “I got to see land of humanoid animals called Minks. Turns out they’re our allies! They’ve been hiding one of the ponegylphs here waiting for us” would be an an appropriate entry

[pure raven]

It could be like this agree

[polar bison]

i just reread the first few pages of 967 and based on context it definitely seems like he would’ve put it down, yeah. that’s fair

[pure raven]

I just notice these two panel from chap 970 and 971
Maybe i m overthinking but could this have more meaning then just some fashion accesories as to why he would start wearing these all of a sudden.

[pastel summit]

Sure. but I think that's the extent of it, outside of a general idea of what he learned about on Laugh Tale. Maybe for Kaido it holds value in that regard, but he doesn't really know it exists. I was more talking about what Momo and Yamato would've learned from it.

[pure raven]

If someone got kaido vs moria clash scene from anime then pls do post

[hidden tinsel]

Maybe to tame Yamato, so she wont bite him, with that cat theory

[pure raven]

[weak arrow]

It’s some dumb post. Unless it’s some theory about how the CP0 guys are stronger than Kaido

[pure raven]

@gentle jewel To answer your question, it wasn’t accidentally, but the way you worded isn’t what was said. We’re keeping that specific interview pinned in #spoilers

[pseudo citrus]

been talking to a japanese friend (who doesn't consume one piece) about various thing, when they come up... and he mentioned this to me recently:there is also an old saying "竜虎相搏つ" which literally means "Dragons and tigers are equally strong", used when for example when two strong teams did a good fight

[weak arrow]

Dragon and tigers are heavily tied together in certain mythology, which is what that would be referencing

[pure raven]

Like turtle dragon tiger and phoneix?

[supple nimbus]

idk maybe to ensure no one copies his form? My best guess is as good as yours....

[pseudo citrus]

yeah, but I thought it was interesting those specific ones were considered equal matches in the saying

[cedar sinew]

yeah it's just very basic mythology. As common as yin and yang

[light pond]

Cause tiger is the opposite of dragon in that mythology like the dragon rules the east while the tiger is the west

[pure raven]

So yamato ate tiger or cat fruit?

Hope that kaido gave her sime ancient zoan or mythical zoan

What good of father woukd he be if she ate normla zoan

[light pond]

We have no idea yet but that is a common theory

[forest rampart]

11 crew members of mugiwara pirates.. or 13 crew members..
Since I dont see carrot n yamato joining the crew (especially yamato), perhaps the 2 other members are not them but komachiyo n hihimaru instead.
Could also be the reason why we dont see Tama taming a pheasant (unless if she will later)

I've mentioned this before but yamato's df could be smth about wolf or fox instead.
While i would like to see a wolf n i think it would somehow suits her more, it could also be a fox since there's Inari gate at the entrance of Onigashima and since Inari shrine worshipped fox.

[light pond]

Jabra already has the wolf df

[humble robin]

Maybe Wolf Smile DF

[light pond]

And why would komachiyo and hihimaru join the strawhats? That is very random

[humble robin]

Who said That?

[pure raven]

Smile always laugh

[light pond]

Not all smiles laugh

[pure raven]

All smile

[light pond]

But yamato is clearly not a smile user

[pure raven]

Yeah she could be a mythical or ancient zoan

Otherrwise what good is all that power kaido have fir if he cant even get his child such a fruit

[forest rampart]

oh i didnt mention tama there i forgot

like i'm trying to say tama will join but maybe along komachiyo n hihimaru

[pure raven]

Also yamto joinibg SH is more likely to be possible.
luffy parlles rogeer
Similarlt by reading odens arv yamto also want to experinec that and she knows that luffy is the oden waiting waiting for so she could go with him

[forest rampart]

komachiyo for sure but idk about hihimaru
but it's okay if both of those animals dont join since they're huge in which i somehow doubt if they'll fit the ship

good idea

[pure raven]

Give the reason that on what basis yoy saying this

And i dont want tama to be in the crew now
As nkw more intense battle will start and i dont want sh to have a liability

Although she helped nami and other
But that is because of smile enemy ate
Outside world taming animals is like a childs play for luffy and there wouldnt be smile users outside wano

As kaido was main consuner / purchaser

Similar to how shanks said to luffy
Hope luffy says to tama aboyt danger

[forest rampart]

Idk if you've seen Oli's pinned theory in #also-manga in which he's the one that makes me believe Tama'll join even if her (kibi kibi) df is revealed to not fit the number pattern.

[dark bramble]

hola?

[pure raven]

Welll those are prerty good reasons theory by oli
But still saying yaamato and carrot not joinibg the crew after all the hype we have for them is kinda downp

And hihimarou and komichiya joining

Woukd be kinda .... for me

[pure raven]

And also yamato has connection with ace too

And she (yamato) asked 1st (before tama and carrot ) to luffy to allow her to ride his ship

And luffys dreams of freedom so luffy taking yamati who has been like prisoned in wano is likely

[light pond]

Komachiyo is like karoo

[pure raven]

Emergency food supply?

[light pond]

Thats chopper

[pure raven]

Well karoo was also
Being used for fishing and all the shs eyed him when they lacked food

[forest rampart]

It doesnt have to be some detailed theory really like even a foreshadow could work. Like we didnt now anything about Miss All Sunday, n still barely know about her when more of Nico Robin is revealed at Alabasta.
I could say that my actual idea is behind whoever wore Luffy's straw hat (for once actually) has a high chance of joining the crew. But then, Sweetpea also did wear the straw hat (Amazon Lily Arc).. unless maybe coz she's not pretty in which I think only Alvida (in the past) n Blackbeard has ugly crews.
People that ever wore Luffy's straw hat: Nami (Arlong Park), Miss All Sunday (Whisky Peak), Sweetpea, Tama (Wano)
Strawhats that ever wore Luffy's straw hat: Usopp (LRLL)

[pure raven]

Also if luffy denis yamato from joining his crew

I can see yamato doing the same thing oden did to board wbs ship

[pure raven]

That would be the last thing i will accept from oda that whoever wore sh is more likely to join the crew

Bb has ugly crews

Thats odas style to do diiferent making cahracter quirky and to stand out
And i love that

[forest rampart]

I really cant say about Oda's idea on why would he wanted that specific person to join like say Tama. While she is contributing a lot in the ongoing fight, I still dont understand Tama's future importance in the crew even say if she got some neat role other than pirate apprentice. But who knows, I'll just go with n believe in whatever Oda's choices. Not that I want anyone new to join the crew in the first place.

I mean like Oda changed his mind on early design of Catarina Devon n make her look ugly as he wanted Bb pirates to imitate the strong, tough kind of irl pirates.
N wouldnt you agree that many female pirates in the series are pretty unless a few others?
I cant see an ugly female to join the crew, not that i think anyone wants it (even Oda also maybe).

If anyone, I like Shinobu actually but yeah.. no one would want to see her in the crew anyway

[pure raven]

Well more so reason for yamato to join

[forest rampart]

Um no
But I dont want to argue n discuss anymore. Stick to what you believe till we see it in the end. I dont mind taking the L.

[dark perch]

Oof what did I miss out on

[pure raven]

How some of the shs joined the crew

yamtato stlye matcges robin

[dark perch]

Brook had the best entrance to the team

[pure raven]

Best reply when joining the crew
very well then

[pure raven]

Not about w & l
We are discussing our respective views
I dont have a issues with your views but just presentiing my takes

:Shonks:

[light pond]

Imho among the candidates for next straw hats yamato has the highest chance considering he already insists on joining luffy's crew, carrot also still have a high chance but with the focus shifting away from her it kinda diminish but she still has high chance too
Tama on the other hand have very low chance of joining imo, just like vivi her arc feels kinda complete once wano is over

[pure raven]

Well vivi is likely to have now comeback

Maybe with all the reveriee stuff

[light pond]

I would say 85% chance for yamato 70% for carrot and tama was like 10%

[forest rampart]

I could say Tama parallel to how Franky joined the crew actually. N my previous nickname has Water7=Wano in which is what happening now unless it's more like Enies Lobby rather than W7. But still both are somewhat Robin's arc (my other theory is that Robin's life will be somewhat in danger in this arc but we have to wait till the end of this arc, n maybe even will continue at Elbaf Arc).

It takes months for me to digest Oli's theory in which I did read n considered everyone else's theory on Carrot n Yamato's take. Only after that I've been sticking n believe in TTLN, not because I like Tama, but because I can really see it's happening.

[light pond]

I doubt with vivi's goal in mind that she will permanently join the strawhats she could regroup with them at some point but with her goal i could never see her fully joining the straw hats specially that goal of her is the main reason he never went with them in the first place

[pure raven]

Agree

[forest rampart]

But I'll stop here coz I need to heading out. All's good, no offense ok👌

[pure raven]

Yeah we can see her teaming up or smth else

We can only guess after ee find abkut what happened at reverie

[subtle shoal]

Hear me out…….. Buggy is Stronger than Roger

[pure raven]

Yes 100%

[subtle shoal]

Fax

[subtle shoal]

But it is true ?

[pure raven]

Yous said it

[bold hedge]

you think big mom will get taken out along with kaido? tbh i think she’ll dip after luffy wins the fight with kaido

[pure raven]

Are there any theories on wano similar to albasta

[bold hedge]

what do you mean by that

[light pond]

I think kid will be the one to defeat big mom considering kaido hinted about kid's CoC and kid being rival to luffy i could see him doing at least this

[pure raven]

Well wank looks similar to albast in many ways ( for me at least )

[grizzled fog]

She SHOULD get taken out this arc, by Law and Kid. It’s possible that she continues over to the next arc but I think most people would rather not have her as an antagonist for the third arc in a row, not to mention if oda actually intends on keeping up this rivalry and theme of the new gen taking down the old one that he keeps pushing, then he needs to allow law and kid to get similar feats to luffy, otherwise it’s not a new generation. It’s just luffy

[light pond]

Kid defeating BM could also shift the BM's crews wrath to kids pirates thus letting the strawhats escape wano peacefully

[pure raven]

Dont want any more of her

Luffy yamato take down kaido
Kidd law take down bm

This is good enough for me

[grizzled fog]

That would be ideal

[bold hedge]

honestly i get what both of you are saying but for some reason i still get the feeling she’ll get severally injured but still escape

[keen kelp]

I’m with Raptor I don’t think BM ends in Wano

[bold hedge]

maybe perospero FINALLY gets taken out, but i think BM will somehow manga to get out

[light pond]

Escape is not in BM's personality

[bold hedge]

i think maybe when she’s unconscious her children will take her and escape

[light pond]

Rampage is so i dont see her getting away unless she is defeated

It would be interesting to see how the BM's children affect the end of the arc

[bold hedge]

everytime i say this to someone they brush it off, granted i haven’t said it in here yet

[bold hedge]

i doubt they’re going to do anything special

or maybe they will completely turn the tides of this “war” around

[keen kelp]

BM still has to fight Fisherman and Germa

[light pond]

Well by the time they can invade wano both side are heavily injured considering how opportunistic BM's crew are and we could not deny how powerful they are i doubt they would be silent by then

[bold hedge]

i wouldn’t be surprised to see an alliance formed to take down big mom after she escapes if it does end up happening

[bold hedge]

this brings up a very good fact, i didn’t think of that tbh, knowing oda though there is probably going to be someone or some people there to fend them off for luffy and the rest of his allies

[keen kelp]

Full on battle between Germa and Whole Cake Island force without BM - Germa66 will likely prevail

Katakuri still in no condition to fight 100% probably

[bold hedge]

oh a rematch! good thinking oh my god that sounds very probable

[bold hedge]

even if he was i doubt we’d see him use the same amount of force as he did with luffy

[light pond]

Smoothie, Oven and Daifuku are still powerful and considering the germa children are raided with bullets the last time we saw them i think they cant overpower them

[keen kelp]

I feel BM won’t really be beaten fully or jailed, I see her out in changing her ways and just take care of her Fam and leave the world domination nonsense behind eventually

[light pond]

This i can never see hapenning her changing her ways

[bold hedge]

most likely they have more allies this time backing them up, since when they were in whole cake they were tricked obviously as we know

[bold hedge]

i can see this happening also since she is showing some humanity in her with otama and the village

[light pond]

With how most of BM kids are with her in wano i dont think they can backup also i dont see germa following the straw hats in wano

[bold hedge]

i can see her changing how she acts in some way, but i doubt she’d completely change for the better

[keen kelp]

I don’t think German66 will fight Whole Cake Island force in Wano, they probably stop BM force from reaching Wano though

[light pond]

She was always shown to have that side even when she was younger so her changing to be good is not something i can see hapoening

[bold hedge]

yeah if BM does end up getting weakened by kidd we can only assume that germa will make a move then with allies

[light pond]

They are already outside wano and i dont fell like germa followed them until here cause if they do they must have been shown since BM crew was in that sea for atleast 2 weeks already

[bold hedge]

true, i get your point here

[keen kelp]

BM tried to murder Germa66 general and fam, I doubt they would just sit back and chill. Especially given reputation and strength of G66

[bold hedge]

it would be a crazy plot twist but i don’t think they’d be dumb enough to challenge a pirate of that caliber while in the sea, they’re waiting for an opportunity most likely

[light pond]

Well they didnt just sit back they fought back at the end of WCI but i highly doubt they would follow until wano

[bold hedge]

i do wonder if they have something else they’re hiding, most likely not but it’s cool to imagine it

[light pond]

It would be funny though if shanks or BB are the one that would stop the BM's crew invasion on wano but i dont see it from happening, grand fleet was also way scattered to help

[bold hedge]

hmmm ive been wondering this for a while, talking about fleets we were told that the straw hat fleet as they call themselves have a very big role later on, any thoughts?

[maiden terrace]

imo i think the grandfleet will show up instead of BB

[light pond]

Honestly i wouldve wanted the BM crew to join the frey even if like in the end of the arc rather than tossing them aside

[keen kelp]

Probably Battle of Exego type finale with fleet showing up to back Strawhats

[bold hedge]

i’d like to see a war involving the allies of luffy obviously but there has been too many so far i doubt it would happen

[bold hedge]

it would be a waste since they’ve been hyped up this much, we can assume that at least perospero will get a lot of screen time

[light pond]

Yes i would like them to at least be a threat even if they barely made it to the war

[keen kelp]

Shanks and BB crew got to marine fort but neither did much actual fighting. So perhaps conclusion of Wano will be similar. Leadings into next arc

Honestly Marine Fort battle was so epic Oda will have to perform some magic in the next dozens of chapters to top that

[bold hedge]

they are very very powerful obviously as we know, shanks had to stop kaido offscreen from going to marine ford and BB was at impel recruiting crew member. if they were apart of that from the beginning then luffy would have 120% died or at least would have not been nearly as important

[bold hedge]

i whole heartedly agree to this, he did well making this recent backstory about oden as interesting as it was, i hope he can do the same with the future ones as well

[pure raven]

Well oda setting final stage for 1v1 fight

Alsmost every major cahracter are set 1v1 against.

[bold hedge]

yeah this is true, how about kidd and BM tho?

you think kidd is capable of handling her?

[keen kelp]

A bigger problem imo is that we aren’t emotionally invested in kid and we kind of don’t care about what he does or doesn’t imo

Oda took a whole half year to get us to care about law and his backstory. When it comes to kid? Nothing

[pure raven]

Kidd and law assembling together and fighting bm

[keen kelp]

I think “getting BM off Onigashima” and “defeating BM” are two completely different goals. Their goal is no1 it seems.

[pure raven]

Maybe we will se smth soon
There are thoeries suggesting about him
Maybe oda have some plans especially oda had gave him coc

[bold hedge]

law was running towards kidd so it’d only make sense, she did get a more powerful version of zeus though

[pure raven]

Bm need new assitant

Who knows bm seeing nami saving tama impresed with her guves zeus to nami

[bold hedge]

luffy said that he’s take down big mom himself after kaido, so i also agree that they main goal is to get her away from kaido before actually thinking ab fighting her

[keen kelp]

Yeah current goal is to free Wano and open its borders for the people of Wano. Defeating Kaido is the path to accomplish that. BM is just getting in the way and they don’t need to beat her they just need to get her to leave

[bold hedge]

i doubt she’s gonna care ab zeus anymore, poor guy er, cloud? anyways i think zeus will somehow avoid getting his soul sucked out by mama and side with nami FULLY this time, despising BM at the same time

[pastel summit]

Luffy can say things, doesn't mean they will happen. Or that they have to happen.

[bold hedge]

true, but in this case it is very probable for it to happen dont you think

[pastel summit]

no

[bold hedge]

no?

[pastel summit]

I think it's far more likely Kid and Law defeat BM than Luffy does.

[bold hedge]

no i can most definitely see where you’re coming from but i don’t think she’s going to get beaten in wano tbh

[bold hedge]

this is a very very good explanation to how i see it as well

[keen kelp]

Oda spent too much time building up one of the most memorable and complex villain in manga history to have her beaten by Law and dude with metal arm with no back story IMHO. This is why I believe BM transformation will be far more satisfying than defeating her just like another video game boss.

[pure raven]

Well bm need to be taken down this arc or in elbaf arc

Because i m getting too bored of her psychological condition
Also fearing that it might affect me

[maiden terrace]

^^

[bold hedge]

hahahah that is most definitely true i could not agree with you more here, i do somewhat doubt she will be taken down here but if she is, then that’s ideal but if not then another arc we go

[pastel summit]

I don't think he really spent that much time building her up. I think she's just had a lot of presence.

[bold hedge]

i was thinking the same thing

[pure raven]

Most likely elbaf

Bm connected to it
And ussop luffy wish to go elbaf since way back around@ chap 120

[bold hedge]

especially usopp and it’s safe to assume that he’s going to maybe master, but most definitely know how to observation haki after elbaf

[pure raven]

Well kaidos suspense was built way back around marinefors then later

[bold hedge]

when i mean master i mean the fundamentals not looking into the future like luffy and katakuri

[grizzled fog]

Yea law got plenty of screen time to do that, but Wano is the first arc kid has become truly relevant in, it’s not really fair to compare the two when kid just hasnt had enough time, but he’s gotten characterization in wano, and he’ll get plenty more soon

[pure raven]

Yeah and learn little courage just little

[pastel summit]

Built up as an obstacle? Sure. Not so much as a character.

[bold hedge]

i see this point, i just really doubt of a will incorporate this, i’m hoping he has something like this tho or at least similar to it planned

[bold hedge]

he will, i hope, i pray

[bold hedge]

i’m excited to see his potential in the future, we can already tell that him law and luffy will be great allies in the future as well

[keen kelp]

From Stampede and games I can tell there is big plan for Kid I just find it hard to care about him

[bold hedge]

kidd or usopp?

[pastel summit]

kaido

[bold hedge]

we haven’t been told much but i felt the same way as i did with law before learning his backstory, hopefully it’ll make me a bit more interested in him as a character

[pure raven]

Kakdo need a badass back story

[bold hedge]

OHHHH yes yes we barely know anything ab the guy so yes

[bold hedge]

he prob just grew up strong asf or the cliché grew up from nothing

[keen kelp]

Maybe his full name is Kaido D. Fishball

[pure raven]

Well what about his sucudal nature?

[bold hedge]

oh right, ig he is more complex than i thought he was, kanjuro is the same

[pure raven]

Yeah looks that way

[pseudo citrus]

or maybe Kai D O, the O being the 男 that everyone nicknames people with

[brisk oak]

i don't think yamato will join shp

i think she wants to protect wano more

there is possibility of carrot join shp tho

[brisk oak]

because she's oden

[pseudo citrus]

could Law just put Okiku's arm back on?

[lunar whale]

She's been captive in Wano for quite some time I'd say she'd rather go out to sea first regardless if she joins the Strawhats or not

[autumn vapor]

i think in Yamato's perspective, being Oden means being free. Because of this i feel she would most likely join the mugiwaras

she's not an original inhabitant of Wano kuni anyway

Momo getting a boost and him staying back would make more sense

[brisk oak]

maybe she wants to protect her children

momonosuke and hiyori

[maiden terrace]

momo's future will be decided next chapter, we'll either see him finish reading the journal or we'll get some important information

imo hes staying in wano

[autumn vapor]

i personally don't like the idea of an 'outsider' taking control of the Wano kuni

[brisk oak]

momonosuke will grow in wano

[maiden terrace]

^

[autumn vapor]

in this context, Yamato is the outsider

[maiden terrace]

Yeah i agree, Yamato shouldn't be in control of wano

[brisk oak]

still, momonosuke will be taking control and be a shogun

[maiden terrace]

Yeah

[brisk oak]

yamato perspective is quite uncertain

[autumn vapor]

Much more sense for Yamato to have adventures of her own like Oden did write as in his journal. That way she would be more like Yamato

[short warren]

I saw a spoiler where zoro got backstory of his father

[maiden terrace]

what

[short warren]

It's fake proably

[brisk oak]

his father is oden

[remote swift]

You think they’ll be the yonko in the future?

[maiden terrace]

kozuki zoro

[brisk oak]

zoro, momo, hiyori are siblings

mmm

[maiden terrace]

oden blue hair??

[brisk oak]

yasuie

[maiden terrace]

oh

[past river]

@short warren please don't post fake spoilers

[autumn vapor]

see this

[short warren]

K

[brisk oak]

understandable

[autumn vapor]

How can i be Oden and not be FREE...

[remote swift]

A little off topic, but what are all your ideas for what the next big 3 anime will be? It was naruto, one piece, and bleach for awhile

[autumn vapor]

Maybe JJK?

[past river]

This channel is for theories about one piece. That question is more appropriate for #other-series

[remote swift]

Oops myb

Sorry about that. Im relatively new to this group. Never really active on here

[past river]

Ye no worries

[remote swift]

Any theories on what vista’s abilities are? Was rewatching clips earlier today and started wondering where those rose petals come from. Not really an important topic but was jw

[light pond]

It is just for glamor just like how cavendish always has a rose

[remote swift]

That would make sense. But in the marineford war, he shot a bunch of petals at mihawk. I dont remember if they just added that in the anime and it wasnt canon tho

[light pond]

Well porche also has petal when she attacks it is most likely a diversion and a glamor type of attack though

[mild kite]

The petal attack was anime-only.

[light pond]

I am more interested with rakuyo's ball and chain like what the hell was that? It was not even explained

Blamenco just recently has his powers revealed so is izo her rotating bullets was not shown in marineford hopefully izo got some more screen time

WB was really put under the rug after marineford for so long hopefully they return in the final war or against weevil

[pure raven]

Oden wanted adventure
And didnt give a fck about wano and left with wb then with roger then returned saw the situation witha ll the smoke and factory then again left.

[zinc iris]

it's more complicated than that

[pure raven]

I m talking about oden taking care of wano

[zinc iris]

yeah I'm talking about that too

when he left the first time he thought wano was going to be fine without him
when he came back he saw what was going on and actually wanted to stay, it was toki that insisted he should have continued his voyage
also at that point he has read several poneglyph and was involved with joyboy's quest, that entails the fate of the entire world, including wano itself

it was still about the fate of wano and the purpose of his very family, but more encompassing and a pressing matter

and after rreaching laugh tale, with the full knowledge of the true story of the world, and also the role wano had in it, he really wanted to save wano, and open its border because it was going to be fundamental in ushering the dawn of the world

it's just that he failed because he insisted in doing so by himself instead of letting his pirate friends assisting him

but his last unfulfilled wish still is saving wano from kaido, and opening its borders to usher it in a new era

you might say not staying back then was a critical error but maybe it could have been even worse if he didn't go with roger

[echo kayak]

Do we know when we have the spoilers?

[dark palm]

They are out in #spoilers

[echo kayak]

I don’t see the room

[kindred flint]

u have a no spoiler role

[echo kayak]

Right thanks bro

[kindred flint]

np

[vestal rampart]

it will never change. there might be a new gen big three instead or smth

[scarlet urchin]

Does Yamato know that Kanjuro is a traitor, by the way? Since he's probably heading toward Momo's direction.

[keen portal]

If shinobu or momo told Yamato in the meanwhile then yes. If not, no. Until now at least we haven't been shown a panel of momo telling her anything iirc

[zinc iris]

I doubt it will matter, kanjuro fully dropped the facade so he won't pretend to be with the Alliance if he meets Yamato

[worthy belfry]

wano was said to be bigger than marinford but so far it has been less than marineford, some twist might be coming

[amber oar]

Because I'm pretty sure it wasn't Wano what Oda was referring to. But the final war instead

[worthy belfry]

after kaido whats next?

shanks , onepiece, blackbeard, im-sama ?

[zinc iris]

elbaf

[worthy belfry]

locations oda mentioned were elbaf ,emerald city and sniper island

maybe all of them will be at elbaf

usopp becomes first strawhat to complete his dream

[polar bison]

shanks and bm imo are gonna be dealt with by Luffy on Elbaf

then it’s Blackbeard on either lodestar or laugh tale, and then it’s the WG

[worthy belfry]

so big mom , gonna escape and go to elbaf hmm why would she go , or straw hats gonna escape from big mom in wano and go to elbaf , big mom just comes after them

[amber oar]

Sniper Island will be Syrup Village, it's just not known that way yet

but at some point having both Yasopp and Usopp hailing from there will eventually account for something, I guess

[worthy belfry]

wrong sniper island is in our ❤️

[weary cliff]

Once they buster call the home of the notorious God Usopp, it will only exist within our hearts

[worthy belfry]

doffy said in jail its power is rotting , what could he mean

[polar bison]

I think it’d be more appropriate if instead of BM chasing the SHs, it’s the inverse

[worthy belfry]

it just needs a reason to run away from big mom, wano is not big mom land like wci so she is alone and also luffy is yonkou level now, why would luffy run away,? only one way blackbeard comes or luffy become unconsicious after defeating kaido ,they had to run away using coup a burst from big mom?

[lyric dust]

i think that was anime only actually

[lyric dust]

that sounds weird, three things in one

imo it's like bad writing if the emerald city is literally located within elbaf

only plausible explanation i could see for the emerald city being located in elbaf is that it's buried underneath the giant tree or something, though that sounds a bit bland to me tbh cause that exact same thing was used in a filler arc

[broken holly]

yo

do y’all think shikki finna pull up in wano?

[cedar sinew]

no, why would he

[broken holly]

because the lady turned into him and he was shown randomly in wano

[pure raven]

I would actually really like this!

[tired osprey]

This is why Yamato will have the Kirin devil fruit.

The individual kanji of Yamato are 大 meaning "great" and 和 meaning "harmony".

Because kirin are beasts of purity and goodness, they have been used in carvings and paintings as symbols of these virtues since early times. They are also seen as symbols of justice and wisdom. Because of their holiness, images of kirin frequently adorn temples and shrines. They are omens of great luck and fortune, and the appearance of a kirin is often believed to be a sign of the arrival of a great leader or a wise man.

The qualities of a Kirin fits in perfectly of the meaning of Yamato's name, as well as it is often believed that a kirin sighting is the arrival of a great leader, which fits in with both Momo and Luffy, and having Yamato looking up to a former great leader in Oden.

Greg on Yamato:
"Something that might not be so clear to readers regarding Yamato. Yamato (大和) in many ways refers to Japan itself. So-called 'yamato-damashii' is a classic description of having a quintessential Japanese spirit."

In japan the kirin occupies the top spot of hierarchy of mythological animals, further fitting in with his name referencing to japan and the japanese spirit.

A kirin is also regularly included as one of The Four Gods, typically replacing the White Tiger or the Yellow Dragon.

Oh, and they have fangs

They typically resemble ungulates — usually horses, deer or oxen, sometimes giraffes — with draconic traits such as fangs, reptilian scales or dragon heads.

[lyric dust]

oh god no the greg statement 😡

otherwise not bad of a theory lol

[vestal isle]

that's a good theory

i still like the white tiger and the four symbols but if not kirin is cool too and it fits

[dark palm]

oli

[tired osprey]

A kirin is also regularly included as one of The Four Gods, typically replacing the White Tiger or the Yellow Dragon.

Oh, and they have fangs

They typically resemble ungulates — usually horses, deer or oxen, sometimes giraffes — with draconic traits such as fangs, reptilian scales or dragon heads.

[dark palm]

you think the kirin would have some sort of thunder powers?

thunder/lightning

[sturdy hound]

you mean the bagua juba ?

[dark palm]

still don't think yamato can fly

nah just with what kirins are

[sturdy hound]

ah

[dark palm]

but yeah, it could fit with bagua considering kaido can also use lightning, not that I think he uses it ON thunder bagua

that's just the name

[tired osprey]

googling kirin's powers atm lmao

[sturdy hound]

actually juba, i think kaido used actual lightning on the first and third baguas, but not on the second

and only the third had coc

[tired osprey]

just the usual flying and walking on water atm

[sturdy hound]

i talked to bean about this, but the second bagua didnt have the same visual and sfx as the first one

[broken holly]

aight jus made this so prolly easily debunked but BB has uranus which he uses to posses 2 df. This is why shanks is warning WB about BB and even the WG. This could tie into shanks backstory and his motive(stop the ancient weapons) and explains why he can do whatever he wants. This also could explain BB origins and set up for the final war

[tired osprey]

It is normally gentle but can become fierce if a pure person is threatened by a sinner, spouting flames from its mouth and exercising other fearsome powers that vary from story to story.
lol well there you go

[broken holly]

made off the spot so could have holes but i think something along the lines of this would be cool

[tired osprey]

Juba, for reference, the Kirin in Monster Hunter is a lightning monster

[waxen light]

those baguas have the goro sfx too dont they? wouldnt that suggest thunder rumbling?

[broken holly]

thoughts?

[sturdy hound]

ye the sfx suggests that. that's why the first and third are the only ones to have it

im tryna grab the panels but my internet is shitting itslef rn

visuals are diff in all three

[dark palm]

did yamato's?

[sturdy hound]

idts

[dark palm]

check

[sturdy hound]

^^^

[sturdy hound]

ye it doesnt

[waxen light]

here's his latest

[sturdy hound]

can you grab the first bagua from 923 and the second from 1000/1001 pls

[tired osprey]

maybe if we had a close up from yamatos face before she does the bagua, but we dont, right?

[waxen light]

first one here

[tired osprey]

since the sfx comes before the attack is performed

[sturdy hound]

the double spread

[waxen light]

manga1001 has it split

no sfx

[sturdy hound]

ye, but the final hit has a diff visual, so that could help identify that

[dark palm]

it shows it when we see the user cast, right?

as in, right before

like so

[waxen light]

yes

[sturdy hound]

look how the kanabo has no lightning on it here. it had some in the first one

[dark palm]

as if it's rumbling thunder

so I think yamato's did have it

we just didn't see her start it

[waxen light]

here's the full page

[tired osprey]

yeah, thats what i was saying

my headcanon is starting to make me like yamato

[sturdy hound]

look at his kanabo here

and here after the attack

[sturdy hound]

compared to this which doesnt have the sfx

yamato's doesnt seem to have the same lightning on the club as the first kaido one. it's just coming from ulti in hers. so i assume that means she just used coa there, no actual lightning

this is what i think is actual lightning

[grizzled fog]

Is it really different? Sorta just seems like regular black lightning to me

I guess it might be a little more flowy and less jagged than usual

[sturdy hound]

it's on the kanabo itslef tho, that's the point. and we see it linger in the panel afterwards

[tired osprey]

Does anyone remember the bar outside Oda’s studio and its connection with kaido?

[sturdy hound]

wasnt it connected to an admiral ?

like the owner looked like one of them or smth

[tired osprey]

It had a blue dragon neon sign i think

That was for whitebeard i believe

[sturdy hound]

ah ye wb

[amber oar]

the admirals are all actors tho... unlike the owner is/resembles one of them

[sturdy hound]

i need to compile that kaido bagua stuff, and ulti coc already man

this is just an incoherent mess rn

[tired osprey]

yeah

[sturdy hound]

i blame school

[forest rampart]

@sturdy hound
So I know that wolf n fox df already exists but it can always be a different one so it doesnt really matters. I'm leaning to mythical animals. Cant say for sure what kind of df it could be. Have done some research in the past on kirin n looks like wolf kirin exists, but it came from a game, chinese game i think, n that's the only reference I have. As to why wolf or fox, have to refer to this
#manga-theories message
cont here:
#manga-theories message

Extra
example of fox df model n has Obi attached around itself just like Yamato n Oden
#manga message
yamato wolf kirin df
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/738580480437387264/813788325584175134/runewolfHowl.gif

Forgot to mention: Inari Shrine gates

For reference
Wolf n Fox df are under Inu Inu no Mi:

Inu Inu no Mi, Moderu: Urufu -Jabra -Black n Grey color (Wolf df)
nu Inu no Mi Moderu Kyūbi no Kitsune -Catarina Devon -Brown/Orange color (Fox df)

Other Inu Inu no Mi:
Inu Inu no Mi, Moderu: Dakkusufunto -White/Milky color (Dog df)
Inu Inu no Mi, Moderu: Jakkaru/Jackal -Chaka -Black color
Inu Inu no Mi, Moderu: Tanuki -Teapot/Bunbukku -Brown color
Inu Inu no Mi: Moderu Bake-danuki -Pato (non-canon) -Brown color

[pure raven]

Well zenusha keeps walking for a millenium beacuse he cause a sin and was punished to do so

Maybe the one who orderd zeneusha to walk could have used conquerors haki ?

So powerful that even to this date he cant break free from it.

[pure raven]

Well i searched and it is said that kirin necer walkes on grassand i.e walked in air afraid to harm tge grass

Post it

[obsidian phoenix]

try to keep the theories serious here

[broken holly]

thoughts on my theory?

[weak arrow]

you excluded the most important part

Why does having uranus mean BB can have 2 devil fruits? @broken holly

[obtuse gazelle]

Why are you reacting to your own theory

[broken holly]

i’m impatient and nobody responded to it so i thought that would make people see it lol

[broken holly]

well that’s the thing idk what uranus would be i jus think it’s the reason could be wrong tho cause other theories make more since (having 3 personality, dark fruit steals df’s)

[weak arrow]

Well without having a decent theory on what uranus is, there's really no point to make this theory. At least imo

[broken holly]

I mean that’s true i guess i’d say it’s more of a guess on how the story would progress. I jus wanted to see if it sound crazy or lowkey believable

[weak arrow]

Well. It's crazy because there's no tie-in to how uranus gives BB that ability. If you could come up with something reasonable for that, then the theory wouldn't be crazy. Once you have that, You'd want to add to theory how BB obtained Uranus.

[broken holly]

u right u right thinks of that as like a draft for my theory lol

[grizzled fog]

I doubt this is an original idea, but I think that when you use a sword for a long time, through battles and hardships over such and develop a connection/bond with it, the sword manifests its own will in a sense, a will or a goal for the blade, and I believe fulfilling this will js the key to turning a blade black. For instance, Enma’s will (thanks to oden) may have been to open wano’s borders, or perhaps to take revenge on Orochi, which might allow zoro to turn it black. Wado Ichimonji i believe will be turned black when zoro beats mihawk, cementing himself as the world’s greatest swordsman, thus fulfilling kuina and by extension, Wado’s will

[covert hazel]

I think that sounds pretty good, we've seen stuff like that with the Going Merry

[mystic crown]

Kind of like giving ships a spirit by loving it. Black going merry when

[mellow sapphire]

idk when it's gonna happen

but Wado turning black is gonna be hype as hell

[reef nest]

Enma's will was always about defeating, cutting Kaido and thus freeing Wano from Kaido. After everything Orochi did, Oden just straight up went to fight with the intention of cutting his scaly neck and not Orochi.

[reef nest]

And with Swords becoming a black blade, yeah i follow this theory too as it makes the highest sense for now out of many black blade theories.

[pure raven]

Good. Great.

And if true, it could be explained at the end of Wano with both Enma and Ame no Habakiri turning black for the same reason

[rancid elk]

Blackbeard is a pure blood three eyed race that’s how he can eat up to 3 devil fruits

1. Him not being able to sleep may be attributed to his third eye always being closed, this is based on Argos Panoptes, the god that the three eyed people are based on, in which he doesn’t sleep because he has some eyes that are closed all the time. We’ve also never seen Blackbeard’s forehead before since it’s always obscured.
2. His imagery of 3s, 3 skulls on his Jolly Roger, potentially 3 devil fruits since he already has 2. Marco did say he had an atypical body. 3 eyes could also fit as well.
3. His multiple personalities, this can be attributed to someone like Pudding as well even though she’s half blood, she too has many different personalities like Blackbeard does, which may end up being 3 different personalities.

[pure raven]

In the 5th century and later, Argus' wakeful alertness was explained for an increasingly literal culture as his having so many eyes that only a few of the eyes would sleep at a time: there were always eyes still awake.
So it's less that 'he has some eyes that are closed all the time' and more that at all times, at least a few of his eyes are closed.

I like the theory though!

[dark palm]

That would mean he has multiple brains, or can control set quadrants of his brain to fall asleep

Like a dolphin

[spark frost]

i got a big question

is there any relation between shanks and marshal d teach?

[pure raven]

Are you caught up with the anime?

[vestal rampart]

^

[spark frost]

yessir i am

[light pond]

They fought and BB was the one who gave shanks his scar on his face

[spark frost]

the only thing ik is the scar

[light pond]

They first met during wb pirates and roger pirates battle

Then they meet again sometime where he gave shanks a scar

[cerulean coyote]

Then, he tried to make Shanks blind because he saw the third eye?

[spark frost]

i doubt that

[light pond]

If they have blood relations i think no they dont have any

[cerulean coyote]

Now, I wonder what was ryuma's goal.

[zinc iris]

also the kirin is the central fifth animal in the 4 cardinal beasts pattern OR takes byakko's place depending on the variant you look at

[tired osprey]

yeah, i wrote that a few posts below

its just too fitting

design, theme, symbolism, name, everything

[zinc iris]

I used to come up with it also looking at animals that use clouds to fly for an idea I had, in which yamato and momo would have worked together to keep onigashima afloat, and found out the kirin indeed can walk on clouds
however in other discussions there was the valid argument about the fact that yamato is kinda implied not having the power to fly as the plan to escape with momo was halted simply by onigashima being in the sky

[tired osprey]

yeah, but distance could just have been too great for cloud walking if that is something a one piece kirin could do

im thinkiong which subclass it would be in, we have horse with uma uma, and ox with ushi ushi where giraffe belongs

[zinc iris]

giraffe might be the case

[tired osprey]

odas fav animal lol

[zinc iris]

well depictions are countless really

[tired osprey]

its from a certain snes jrpg, that im positive oda has played, could be source of design inspiration

[pastel summit]

idk, aren't kirins like, an in-between of unicorns and dragons?

[tired osprey]

yeah

[zinc iris]

I don't think it's really necessary to dance around mentioning Final Fantasy

[tired osprey]

then we would have two dragons, an orochi and a kirin

the most important japanese mythical beasts

[pastel summit]

orochi is a snake

[tired osprey]

it is indeed

[pastel summit]

oh I misread

I thought you were saying orochi and kirin were dragons

[tired osprey]

its power is healing, maybe it would be more focused on healing others rather than itself unlike marco

[queen arrow]

the two dragons are Kaido and Momo right?

[tired osprey]

could heal zoro 👀
yeah

[zinc iris]

yeah I remember Kirin being the healing spell from the Summoner class in Tactics

however what it can do varies from story to story

like in the wiki I'm reading the mythological one can cloak itself in fire

while the one from monster hunter is an electric elder dragon (still unicorn shaped)

[tired osprey]

yeah,

however what it can do varies from story to story
exactly what the wiki said lmao

we also got kirin in the mh series who is a lightning monster

[vestal rampart]

i want someone to post a really in depth, cohesive theory sometime soon so i can read it in action

[pure raven]

If you want any long theories, the pins in this channel and anything on worstgen are fun reads

[velvet edge]

Yea you can check the pins for the in-depth theories peeps have posted

[vestal rampart]

ive read most of them

[pure raven]

Even worstgen?

[zinc iris]

one day I will compile my entire discourse on Uranus on a single post

[pure raven]

https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/forums/one-piece-theories.7/

[forest rampart]

Nice theory
If this is true, would it means that perhaps Pudding can eat two df too since she has half blood of three eyes tribe..?

I thought that perhaps one of the three missing tribes Big Mom didnt own is Blackbeard, other than King (n possibly Oars/ Ancient Giants Race).

Here's a bit support for your theory.
There's an SBS of Oda giving some info on Worst Generations in which one of Blackbeard's hobby is archeologist (idk what's the other one but it's not important i think).
I think that would explain on why archeologist like I always thought it has smth to do with the poneglyph like can he read it? But ofc archeologist is not limited to studying poneglyph only.
This would also explain that BM was right about pure three eyes tribe can read (more like hear if it's about VOAT) poneglyphs in which she waits for Pudding to awaken her power but abandoned the idea later since she havent awaken it (or perhaps cant awaken it).

[rancid elk]

i also think blackbeard is a dark version of nico robin, and the three eyed tribe also was wiped out for their potential toread the poneglyphs

[manic relic]

I voted that BM will be defeated in Wano and that she won't be an important antagonist anymore because I think the younger generation: Blackbeard Luffy Kidd and Shanks will rule the new era and that she must make place. Also there was foreshadowing that the BM pirates need a new captain: Katakuri or Perospero. Discussion in own crew. And CP0 said something like defeating 2 yonkos at same time will be unlikely => this makes it more likely for me because the mangaka wants us to think thats impossible so we will have that "wow-effect'.
And 3 big arcs with BM will be mweehhh ...

[manic relic]

I respect other opinions. But this is just what i personal think

I also voted on the poll that only Yamato will join the Straw Hats after Wano because I think that Carrot will go back to Zou because I think inuarashi or nekomamushi will die and that she will replace him. Carrot wanted to see the outside world what she has already done and Wano will be free again so mission accomplishment for her. Yamato will 100% join the Straw Hats because “she is Oden” and wants to be free and wants the same experience as Oden. She wants to complete the last journey to Raftel. And the Straw Hats will have another CoC haki user in their Crew.

[visual merlin]

question

why would carrot be the one to replace them

[dusky acorn]

I agree that Big Mom will be defeated alongside Kaido, or at least lose enough presence in the story to no longer be a villain. It's as you say, only her and Kaido are really the notable old heads left in the series as far as pirates go. It's only a matter of time until they follow the same destination as their Rocks peers and fade out of relevancy.
We'll only be left with the new and current generation of prominent pirates afterwards, so it makes for a very strong narrative.

And yeah, CP0 coining the possibility of 2 Emperors falling and declaring it as an impossibility to happen in their minds adds a lot of evidence for it. Especially when you take into account how ironic and unreliable CP0 have been as narrators during Onigashima already.
Would be very weird for the statement to only end up as half ironic, as in only for Kaido's side of things. CP0 should have just opened the speech saying::"If Kaido were to fall.." instead, if that was going to be the case

[craggy pumice]

it is the type of subversion oda likes to go for

[manic relic]

Totally agree with everything

[worthy belfry]

Big mom gonna be strawhats ally

[pure raven]

[manic relic]

I just wonder how BM will be defeated if she gets defeated this arc? Teamwork Kidd Killer & 3th support like Law?

[pure raven]

Kidd law maybe

[craggy pumice]

yeah

[manic relic]

Dont forget we can expect POSSIBLE outsiders like Navy admirals or BB to join end arc

[visual merlin]

expect?

[pure raven]

No navy and govt coming possibly

Except cp0

[craggy pumice]

feels weird how both Kidd and Law go for Big Mom now though, considering that they were both so adamant about killing Kaido

[grizzled fog]

Kid and law are sure to be the driving forces behind it, Kid at least js almost certain to get an least one rather large powerup and hopefully law too, and there’s also a possibility of Killer and Hawkins both joining in too, as well as potentially others like nami with Zeus and ulti

[manic relic]

It's not sure but I think navy will come

[grizzled fog]

I think what Akainu said is enough for that to be unlikely

[manic relic]

I think Sengoku last words against Akainu during reverie changed Akainus mind

[pure raven]

Sakazuki clearly said they dobt have enough manpower now

[worthy belfry]

At the end of wano , kaido needs to die or captured, oda rarely kills people

[visual merlin]

I could see some people coming to take some dudes to jail, but I don't think any marines or others will be a factor in this war

[manic relic]

Sengoku said something about Akainu doesnt know the history

[pure raven]

Well we have to see that

[dusky acorn]

Kid and Law will definitely do the brunt of the work and one of them will probably be the one to get the final blow, probably Kid considering his matchup with Big Mom has been pushed ever so slightly more. It could still be some sort of combined effort/attack to end off though, not sure.

I think they'll still need a fair bit more help though, and I'm hoping Big Mom's betrayal to the beast pirates goes somewhere to help lead to her downfall

[craggy pumice]

it's not really a matter of if Akainu changes his mind or not. He said they are not able to deal with the 2 yonko yet

[pure raven]

With all thatt going on with shichubiki

[craggy pumice]

there would need to be more happening for the marines coming to wano. amd I think the war will end within a day anyway, so I doubt they arrive in that time

[dusky acorn]

I just want the bertayal to the beast pirates to be more than just used as an excuse for the beast pirates not helping her, like a good chunk actually going on the initiative against her

[cerulean coyote]

Impossible, kaido escaped both death and prison like 9million times

[manic relic]

I think they dont need 4 admirals and all vice admirals for shichibukai? They can send at least 1 to Wano (which wont be enough). They also have their new invention of vegapunk for a reason

[worthy belfry]

my theory vegapunk succeeded in making giants after studying punk hazard children, hence using that gonna replace the shichibukai

[craggy pumice]

why send in one admiral against 2 yonko, wouldnt that be a waste

[pure raven]

To die

[craggy pumice]

from the standpoint of the marines it would be too risky

[cerulean coyote]

They sent tsuru, sengoku, fujitora and another guy for doflamingo

[worthy belfry]

cpo guys head must be as strong as admiral right?

[craggy pumice]

no

[pure raven]

And who are the 4 admirals ?
There are 3 right?

[visual merlin]

not necessarily

[visual merlin]

+akainu

[craggy pumice]

they operate in the background rather than the admirals

[rancid elk]

Joy boy was to early to the world party and asked Toki make him come later since he arrived to early and he was impatient on waiting since he wanted to eat meat right away but Toki accidentally sent him 70 years in the future

[pure raven]

[manic relic]

I think they will send 2 admirals. But secretly the Garp fanboy within me hopes that Garp, the old Navy hero will also join Wano because he has a past with the Rocks. Wouldnt be nice to see Garp with Kaido and BM and how mad they will be at him for beating them at Gods Valley?

[worthy belfry]

still in strength the head fighter of cp0 must be atleast yonkou commander level

[visual merlin]

he probably is as strong as a commander yea

[pure raven]

Thats very unlikiely from fishman island to wano in 2 days

[visual merlin]

1 day even

[pure raven]

And it is still night of the raid

So 1 day

[worthy belfry]

rob lucci in cp9 was as strong as shichibukai

[visual merlin]

The characters have all implied this war will only last until the next day, which I doubt Oda would have them say if it wasn't going to be the case

[rancid elk]

Big mom will be defeated and retreat back to wci

[manic relic]

Shanks did the same during Marineford and he came from Kaido

[visual merlin]

serious theories only please

[rancid elk]

I’m serious real serious

[visual merlin]

sure

[dusky acorn]

The marines wouldn't even have known that a raid with our alliance would have been happening today, heck even Kaido didn't know I think it'd be a pretty big coincidence for them to come today as well

Listen to Laww, don't make impossible joke theories

[worthy belfry]

big mom will be defeated and return to wci for sure

[rancid elk]

That’s the only way I see big mom Pirates arriving and not getting involved post kaido defeat

[pure raven]

And they clashed in wano is unlikely

As kaido was going after wb they would have probably clashed enroute

[visual merlin]

Dunno if she'll get that option if she gets defeated

[worthy belfry]

she still has to know she has hunger pains and what happened to mother linlin, which can happen only with help of pudding who is in wci

[rancid elk]

Probably I see her children covering for her when they drag her fat ass to the ship lol

Or big mom simply gets eluded again and chases strawhats to elbaf but I feel like luffy will defeat big mom at wci

[worthy belfry]

big mom will have some story left if she get defeated in wano

oda won't do that

[rancid elk]

Luffy said he’s coming back to wci

[dusky acorn]

Luffy only said that because he hadn't known Big Mom would be chasing after him back then

Now there's no need

[rancid elk]

No I think it’s foreshadowing

[pure raven]

Bm down this arc

Then when sh gows to elbaf the giants will welcome them(sh) more happily

[rancid elk]

Oda be foreshadowing w that line same way how oda foreshadow kaido defeat at flower capital

[visual merlin]

do you really think we'll have a whole different arc in WCI though?

[rancid elk]

It can be a small arc like levely

[visual merlin]

beating a yonko is a small arc?

[rancid elk]

id love a mini arc back to wci

[worthy belfry]

its gonna be elbaf arc where big mom gonna come again for strawhats

[visual merlin]

How could Oda make that a mini arc lol

[rancid elk]

I mean mini for oda Standards is like 20-30 chapters

[visual merlin]

Reverie was like 9 chapters

[worthy belfry]

big mom has bad history with giants, it is one of species not present in wci

[rancid elk]

Wouldn’t u want a formal 1v1 showdown between luffy and big mom no teaming

[manic relic]

Why do you guys think that the first time in One Piece history an arc has +3 acts and after every act we see what happens in the rest of the world? Do you really think that this is just a coincidence? It's on purpose because that must happen so we don't get random people spawned at end of Wano. It must happen simultaneously so it will make sense. Drake telling Coby about the Kaido BM alliance. Sengoku warning Akainu about Wano. Blackbeard saying he's going to make his move etc. All important details that must happen before final act of wano. Or else people will complain because it won't make sense and why they are at Wano

[visual merlin]

and still this would be short for an arc where they straight up have war with a yonko and crew

[pure raven]

Bm chasing sh is tge same thing as buggy chasing sh to me at thiss moment

[visual merlin]

Not particularly, I wouldn't ask for another WCI arc just for this

[rancid elk]

No not for just this singular point ofc there will be other plot threads to trigger a return but that would be the biggest party

[gloomy canyon]

This is literally the opposite of what I want lol

[grizzled fog]

Not really no. Law and Kid beating her down here in wano is a million times better than that to me

[visual merlin]

Yea that too, Law and Kid beating her would be a good way for them to keep up with luffy

[pure raven]

Well it all could be a forshadoung for the next arc

Simialr to ace execution and sabody

[worthy belfry]

what about her story of mother linlin?

[grizzled fog]

Rather than having the new generation become the luffy generation, I’d rather the other characters not become irrelevant and pointless personally

[pure raven]

We might see it in elbaf as a giant saw it

[rancid elk]

I thought oda clearly wants big mom to be defeated by luffy but again I’m fine w law and kidd beating her but that whole katakuri fight was building to a rematch for luffy and big mom

[grizzled fog]

What about it

[visual merlin]

eh, just seemed like a cool fight

[pure raven]

Tottally agree we nneed law and kidd ti have wins too amd some major gains

[rancid elk]

He said he would return luffy never goes back on his word

[visual merlin]

He has no need to return if Big mom shows up elsewhere

[grizzled fog]

Also luffy: I’ll beat up jack!

[rancid elk]

Ok fine hate on it but when oda foreshadows stuff and you still don’t see it it will make sense lol

[dusky acorn]

Luffy already changed his words at the raid

[pure raven]

If bm will go to elbaf chaisng sh then

Howw tf will sh go to wci to defeat bm

[grizzled fog]

Also also luffy: I’ve got this guys (to kaido)

[dusky acorn]

He wants his alliance to defeat Big Mom here and now on Onigashima

[grizzled fog]

And Yamato is clearly gonna help out so he’s obviously not gonna solo kaido now

[rancid elk]

the wano arc is so unpredictable that none of these predictions may pan out lol

[worthy belfry]

is pudding in wano?

[rancid elk]

I don’t think so

[visual merlin]

no

[worthy belfry]

big mom before defeat needs to know 2 things that she has hunger pains and sanji helped her , and that she ate mother linlin

[pure raven]

Why?

[worthy belfry]

its character growth oda built up , it will be wasted if she just die without that

[dusky acorn]

Some things can simply be left unresolved. It's not like Big Mom needs to learn Carmel was actually evil and a human trafficker either, those things can be the same as that

[rancid elk]

Pudding and Sanji could be joining up at the end lol

[pure raven]

We can find what happend to carmel in elbaf thats all matter

[worthy belfry]

yea cp0 can tell the carmel part to big mom

if big mom gets to know sanji gave her cake and saved her from hunger pain preventing destruction of wci, she will become stawhats ally

but will she know?

[pure raven]

Sanji be like hey bm i made that cake

You liked it

Join sh grand fleet and help us defeat kaido amd you eill get more

Bm okay i will do it now

[rancid elk]

People act like big mom being defeated in wano means she is done from the story that’s not true

Kidd and law can still beat her but it’s not gonna break up the big mom pirates

[pure raven]

Yeah she can return then thats how it should go on .

And not her going after sh as a stalker

[rancid elk]

That’s what I’m saying I’m not saying luffy is going to beat big mom in wano he may beat her in wci After by himself

[visual merlin]

if she dies or is captured then that does the trick

[rancid elk]

she is not dying she is probably gonna be taken back to wci by the big mom pirates arriving at wano

[cyan sand]

was it stated that what the one piece was is in oden's journal? I think if it is, then yamato is probably not going to be a strawhat, no? It's be really weird to have someone who already knows everything on the crew

[worthy belfry]

it will make momo also not strawhat as he also saw log book

where yamoto got the log book from?

[dusky acorn]

Okay, so to list two loose ends for Big Mom's character:

1.>Big Mom learning Carmel was evil
2.>Big Mom learning she ate Carmel

I absolutely cannot see Big Mom ever learning both of these things, because learning the other will heavily diminish the direction and impact the former is supposed to have on her character.

The fact that there's both of these things that are unresolved for Big Mom simply goes to show that not every unknown aspect will be tied up for her character, which is why you shouldn't only think of them as a ride or die type of insurance for her staying as a big presence in the story.

[sturdy hound]

yamato went to the castle when it was burned to save momo and found it there

[worthy belfry]

agree

[worthy belfry]

learning both will change her dream too

[worthy belfry]

thanks

why would oda bring up log book into story whats the purpose ? we know strawhats don't want any spoiler

[dusky acorn]

What would her dream change to be though?
Just because she learns her mother was a bad person doesn't mean Big Mom has to throw away the dream, especially when it still sounds great on paper

And to reiterate, my entire point with this is that since it's very reasonable to not expect everything to be resolved for Big Mom's character, (as learning one thing will trample over the development of the other), it's also okay to not expect any of the remaining things in her flashback to be resolved.

[worthy belfry]

big mom dream is have a tea party having species of all races

she believes if everybody come together in tea party enjoy it like she did as a child there would be no fighting

[worthy belfry]

agree its too much for big mom to digest

but she needs to come to conclusion that her dream is false reality

[pure raven]

Man smarrty sending msg at every 2 min break

[worthy belfry]

can't sleep bro just passing time haha

[dusky acorn]

I don't think Big Mom having trauma associated with tea parties would cause her to give up decades worth of work put into them and creating her peaceful land.

Like, Big Mom just came off having the most tragic things happen at her last tea party for Pudding with Carmel's photo breaking, her castle exploding, not being able to get her wedding cake, etc. And I'm still sure she'd be fine with doing more of them currently, even with those terrible memories related to what happened at her last one.
Heck, Big Mom was completely fine with using the party as an excuse to start her own underhanded conflict against Germa. She already knows tea parties aren't meant to be as peaceful as it's made out to be.

Well, maybe learning about her own accidental cannibalism could change that to such a degree where she sorta gets a phobia against doing parties anymore, but I'm still not certain about it. Seems like a lot to backtrack on in regards to her character

[pure raven]

And maybe all this stuff aboyt bm will take too much of chap

And i dont wamt to this stuff what i want to see now is laughtale tahts all.

[worthy belfry]

agree, also see big mom is a very special villain , every other villain controls a land by takeover from somebody else , example-doflamingo over king riku, kaido over oden, arlong over nami village etc

but big mom created her own land , she didn't snatched it from anybody, she is rightful owner of that land

so after capture/die of big mom , who will rule totland ???

hence I believe big mom will never be capture or die ever

but can be defeated and make her run back to wci

[worthy belfry]

10 more years for that lol

[pure raven]

6years at most

And it all would stary by next 3 4 years

And after wank that is in next one year we will get some big huge reveal

As wano se the dice rolling

[worthy belfry]

6 years means around 300 chapters, can oda finish it in 300 chapters? I doubt that, so much story left, dressrosa was 200 chapters, wano is already 100, etc

[pure raven]

Yeah thats the max time frame i . Taking on oras 4 5 years assumption

And wano currently longest with more then 104 chaps

Dresserosa was 102smth chapter

That was dreserosa saga with pubk hazard at 148 chaps

And currently 4 yonkos saga goiing on with 200 some chapsters

[errant ridge]

Aight all those with D. are decedents from Moon people.
Luffy's mom gave birth to him before going back to the moon.
you heard it here first

[rancid elk]

No

There’s no one on the moon Enel visited it

[errant ridge]

Moon Mars.

[midnight heron]

Im liking this kid theory

[rancid elk]

no

[midnight heron]

Captain John better have a cool design

[rancid elk]

Mars isn’t a thing in op world

I doubt the d are descendants from the moon since the sky people descended from the moon 200 years before void century

the d arose in the void century likely

probably a pirate crew that viewed themselves as a family that later lead to a big territory that is known as the ancient kingdom

moon imagery isn’t meant for a literal moon, it probably is a symbol for the d giving way for the dawn

the moon gives way for the dawn of the world

I also think if you flip the d it’s a literal sun on the horizon

[old kayak]

i think that the straw hats will have a time skip after wano

[errant ridge]

Aight all those with D. are decedents from Moon people.
Luffy's mom gave birth to him before going back to the moon.
okay. you're probably right.

[orchid oracle]

Do y’all think it’s possible Oden could’ve written the secrets to the one piece and stuff in his logbook and wrote it in the poneglyph language?

That’s if he wrote the secrets i his logbook at all

[worthy belfry]

there is a theory that all of moons except 1 ,got destroyed and fall onto earth , hence creating different magnetic fields for each island, that earth with 8 moons scene in ohara is history before that

[errant ridge]

woah ^ that makes sense.

[errant ridge]

would be too easy for oden's kid to read and end of the one piece story.

[errant ridge]

timeskip. after wano, hmmm would be interesting.
he takes down the beasts bunch/mama mia mob
then the last would be shanks and luffy against plankton controlling World govt & blackbeard maybe?
idunno

[worthy belfry]

next arc is bb killing shanks, as forshadowed at marinford

[errant ridge]

😮 what chapter was this?

[worthy belfry]

chapter 1169 👀

[errant ridge]

origato.

[orchid oracle]

We’ll just because he knows doesn’t mean he’ll tell Luffy he’s had plenty of opportunities to ask about it and he don’t wanna hear it. It’d be no different here

[errant ridge]

wait 1169? wtheck

[cedar sinew]

keep the channel serious please. @worthy belfry

[worthy belfry]

okay sure

[errant ridge]

true.

[worthy belfry]

you know at marinford bb said he is not yet ready for shanks yet, someday he would be ready and kill shanks

[errant ridge]

why did he not like him again?

[orchid oracle]

The last poneglyph location could be in Odens logbook too

[worthy belfry]

that will be disappointing to get that info from a book and not from real adventure

where is kaido ponegiff?

nico should find it first, where is she now?

[orchid oracle]

Still doesn’t mean Luffy will know I don’t think he wants to know

But what if another Yonko somehow gets a hold of it that’s the real question!!!

You can’t tell me Blackbeard wouldn’t do something like that

[worthy belfry]

caterine davone or shiru in wano theory?

[orchid oracle]

Or he can just pull up towards the end of the battle like Marineford

[worthy belfry]

well for bb , its better to attack wci and get the ponigiff, as big mom is outside

[orchid oracle]

True but in Wano there’s a lot of powerful devil fruits he can steal too

[worthy belfry]

I always wonder how crocodile know about ponigiffs and ancient weapon , where could he have heard that? and he knew about alabasta has something, even world govt does not know that

[worthy belfry]

kaido crew devil druits are weak, zoans are not that powerful

[orchid oracle]

Idk about that Kaido and his main Crew have a lot of Powerful Zoans and ancient Zoans

[pure raven]

Well the rred poneglypg which was at fish man island is missing

Which wb probaby took to somewhere else

Because as per odens journey with roger we saw that toger took 1 copy of linins poneglyph 1 at fishman island 1 at zou 1 at wnak

There4 we missing 2red poneglgphs one that us with kaidi in wano
And wano which wbikely move from fishman island probay to the island where he is buried or in elbaf

So no use in using logbook for location of poneglyphs

[worthy belfry]

if you master haki , zoans are nothing example big mom

[craggy pumice]

?

[orchid oracle]

“IF you master Haki 1 and 2 the healing abilities on the are great and they can make your average pirate pretty powerful

[craggy pumice]

zoans are the only type that adds to your pure physical strength

[orchid oracle]

Haki is not something everyone can master and it’s not easy to learn or every Marine would have it

[craggy pumice]

if you eat one you can become a high skilled martial artist with many transformations

[orchid oracle]

And they boost your healing abilities

[worthy belfry]

makes sense, fishman island must be part of ancient kingdom just like kozuki and minks, should have red ponegiff sometime

[rancid elk]

There is a big inconsistency tho w Zounisha and the mink tribe

mink tribe and Zounisha closed off human contact 1000 years ago before void century

[craggy pumice]

whats the incostistency?

[rancid elk]

idk if joy boy could’ve even told mink tribe to close off it’s borders like wano did

[craggy pumice]

you mean, it doesnt fit the theory

[rancid elk]

Ye

[worthy belfry]

yeah zunisha 1000 years is pretty weird

[rancid elk]

I think Joyboy was a time traveler somehow I feel he told the minks to close off their contact

Same way how wano closed off their borders

also how did they even have a poneglyph

[orchid oracle]

Maybe one of the first cleansings happened around that time

[rancid elk]

idk it seems the only void history is the void century 900-800 years ago

[craggy pumice]

It's not impossible to go to Zou

Joyboy could have done it

All we know is that Zunesha did a crime which it was punished 200 years before the Void Century

[worthy belfry]

I always wonder how people can forget void century, like there is always mouth to mouth knowledge right, how world govt stoped that,
a memory reset ancient weapon?

[rancid elk]

hmm you right but why would Zounisha be sentenced to walk at the same time minks closed borders

[pure raven]

Post panel where it mentioned or a reff chP no

[rancid elk]

I feel there’s something in play from joyboy maybe he time traveled

[errant ridge]

every time i hear the name Joyboy, I get so confused. I immediately think of the youtuber w/ the theories lol. I keep forgetting this guy was mentioned with robin /poneglyphs and with the the fishermen.

[rancid elk]

he told minks and Zounisha to go to a specific place that may take a really long time then had someone use Toki Toki on him to travel another couple years into the future

Lol ye

[orchid oracle]

IM had those cleansings and the buster call exist until eventually people stopped talking about it

[rancid elk]

Im probably has a water logia that could literally wash people’s memories

and sink islands w ease

[craggy pumice]

tsuru

[rancid elk]

Also I think the weapon in mariegeoise uses years of your life to do something so only those w the immortal surgery from the ope ope no mi can use it w out dying

I think that’s why Doflamingo wanted law to use the ope ope no mi on him

it somehow all ties together

[worthy belfry]

what zunisha eat to live?

[rancid elk]

Idk lol

[worthy belfry]

is zunisha immortal too?

[rancid elk]

I honestly don’t know how Zunesha can live this long it’s all strange

[errant ridge]

drinks water and spits it up for minks? probably eats the fishes in it.

[rancid elk]

The Kozuki somehow were allies w the minks probably during the void century

[errant ridge]

wait elephants are herbivores. seaweed.

[rancid elk]

Momo can command zhou, previous shogun commanded Zounisha to walk somewhere

hmm, but how can luffy and momo have the voice of all things..

[errant ridge]

previous shogun commanded zounisha? man i read chapters too fast sometimes.

[rancid elk]

I’m just guessing I assume Zounisha walking has to do w the voice of all things and the Kozuki

if the Kozuki met w Zounisha though 100 years before the void century

[worthy belfry]

momo is ancient weapon theory, he will know that from log book

[rancid elk]

It means the Kozuki told them to close their borders somehow

Zounisha has been walking 200 years before void century and if the ancient weapon told Zounisha to walk around the same time they closed their borders and their only allies were Kozuki means previous Kozuki could use voice of all things

[worthy belfry]

they never closed just very difficult to find

[rancid elk]

No they closed their borders look it up

“The Mink Tribe is widely believed to have a closed door policy, isolating themselves from humans for over a millennium.” One piece wiki

same time as Zounisha walking

it all connects somehow

[worthy belfry]

do you see parallel between minks and fishman , minks could be afraid of humans becoz they were look down like fishman

[rancid elk]

it reminds me of joy boy promise to Poseidon

joy boy promising Poseidon to take the merfolk and fishman to the surface

the seakings would be moving to a specific place on the surface much like Zounisha

The only thing is the time difference, why did Zounisha get ordered to walk hundred years before void century

if the Poseidon promise was a 100 years later at the beginning of the void century why the big gap

Joyboy was impatient and time traveled

whatever place Zounisha was going to was way far away

[worthy belfry]

ancient kingdom could be existing from long time before 800 years,

[rancid elk]

The void century is 900-800 years tho

Zounisha and mink isolation is 1000 years

[worthy belfry]

it was punishment given by ancient kingdom maybe zunisha did something wrong, kozuki are just part of ancient kingdom

[rancid elk]

was it actually a punishment though, it seems like it was ordered to move

Momonosuke conversed w it and it seemed willing to listen

[worthy belfry]

zunisha could have been bad animal destroying islands for pleasure so it got punished by ancient kingdom

[worthy belfry]

he only follows orders, he wanted permission

[rancid elk]

Momonosuke may be Uranus

[worthy belfry]

ordered by previous Uranus user?

[rancid elk]

the Kozuki bird sigil makes me think it

Yes I believe he is Uranus

Idk what luffy/roger is tho

Or how the three eyed people can have the voice of all things as well

The more I dig in deeper the more confused I get

[worthy belfry]

three eyed people totally destroy robin importance

[rancid elk]

the three eyed people have been wiped from history I assume

only a few left

Probably buster called honestly

[worthy belfry]

three eyed people could deciper anything thats it, not neccessary had voice of all things, their middle eye can understand any text

[rancid elk]

They said it’s the voice of all things tho

I think the three eyed people are the key to understanding the void century

[worthy belfry]

robin is three eyed member lol

[rancid elk]

since it seems momo luffy and Poseidon have these abilities to hear voice on objects

or animals

[worthy belfry]

robin dad could be three eyed, we haven't seen him

[rancid elk]

I don’t think Robin is a three eyed she learned how to decipher from O’Hara

[worthy belfry]

I always wonder why lady toki timetraveled momo but not his sister, maybe momo is very important and he needed to survive

[rancid elk]

Momo was the first born

I think Toki and oden were D btw

maybe when two D. Have a kid there’s a chance for them to have the voice of all things some how

idk I feel like I’m lost af w my theory crafting when I get to this point about voice of all things lol

[worthy belfry]

hmm , interesting

[rancid elk]

It somehow all connects

voice of all things ancient weapons void century why they exist

[craggy pumice]

uh logia...?!

oh this is french

[midnight heron]

this is a pretty cool idea for karasamu's df

[real swan]

Im pretty certain she only sent some to the future as a backup in case the ones from that present time perished. Basically to ensure both heirs couldn't be killed at once.

[pastel summit]

yeah. that's pretty much it.

if sending momo into the future failed, hiyori was a backup.

[cerulean nova]

could blackbeard be Ussop's real father ?

what are the odds?

[sour ether]

Long nose = case closed

[junior cape]

Yassop is gonna have a sniper duel with Usopp, just for kicks

[errant ridge]

theres so many things i would love to see. this is one of them ^
problem is we often don't get to see these things.

[carmine pond]

do you think the straw hats will ever explore the north, west, and south blue? I kinda wanna see more of the rest of the world

[dense wing]

After Luffy finds the One Piece maybe we’ll see more of the blues

For now we’re gonna keep being in the New World

[carmine pond]

im not rlly sure how oda would incorporate it into the plot of OP

[cedar sinew]

I don't think we'll ever get it in detail tbh

it's fair to assume that the four seas are generally very similar to eachother.

[carmine pond]

hopefully there will at least be a movie or something for each of them

[cedar sinew]

and we get different pirates originating from different seas + cutting back to random places in random islands during worldbuilding/news moments

that's probably all we'll ever get canonically

[carmine pond]

maybe we’ll get a kidd backstory, isnt he from the south blue?

[cedar sinew]

yeah he is

like during Law's backstory we got to see some North Blue, but wasn't anything new tbh. Could've been anywhere

[carmine pond]

true

hopefully we get to see something more substantial than that

[grizzled fog]

I’m sure after becoming pk Luffy’s gonna keep adventuring, and probably explore the other blue seas, but tbh I doubt they’d be more interesting than the grand line, so I don’t think it’d be worth showing the audience

[pure raven]

So any theory on all blue at laugh tale ?

[pure raven]

It would be very cool if All Blue isn't a direct meeting of all the seas like the Red Line theory suggests

If it was more an indirect meeting like all types of fish from each sea being in the region, that would free up the location

[worthy belfry]

why fish man island is not all blue?

[pure raven]

Because all blue is somewhere else.

[worthy belfry]

anybody here to discuss any theory?

[cyan berry]

It's not a theory it's a question and it got answered already

The All Blue is a point where all 4 directional seas converge

Fishman Island is under the Red Line where not many fish reach

[pure raven]

idk man, i don't think that's all blue.

It's described as a legendary sea where all the blues meet and you can find fish from all the blues there

[vestal rampart]

some ppl believe that laugh tale is under water

[fallen tartan]

Some say the red line will be destroyed causing all blues to merge to create the all blue

[weary crag]

with the legendary weapons

[vestal rampart]

yea thats the main theory