manga-theories

[weak arrow]

Well Hawkins seems to have some weird investment with Killer

[pastel summit]

but he'd also have more of a personal investment with Law's death, so I won't say it's 100% drake, but I'm waaaaaaaaaay more confident in it being drake than law.

[dusky acorn]

Yeah they just have random things written on their clothing all the time, the cover page is honestly what made me reignite this theory but it's not too strong

If it comes true this would be the first foreshadowing cover in a long time, for recent memory, they don't happen often

[pastel summit]

Honestly, I think it's more like Hawkins is forcing himself to be personally invested in the Beast Pirates, so his "investment" in Killer is his investment as a Beast Pirate defeating his enemies.

[normal plume]

So are we thinking Nami’s convictions for fighting and standing up against those who hit children will hit a motherly sweet spot of BMs resulting in some kind of temporary partnership? On a side note I didn’t know Sanji was that impressive at bandaging 😂

[pastel summit]

"you play a good lapdog"

[normal plume]

Seem to have interrupted something. Sorry choc

[pastel summit]

nothing important.

[sturdy hound]

man i love that line

[weak arrow]

you've given me a thought here Choc

[normal plume]

Hahaha Hawkins will learn numbers don’t mean anything against the sheer luck of the SHs

[dense wing]

I think it’s likely at least one Hawkins prediction comes true

It’d really suck if none did

[weak arrow]

Law told the smart person on the roof, ie killer, that Hawkins is Law's bitch. He's basically saying Hawkins is acting and is "playing a role of a lapdog" like an actor, and he's actually on Law's side.

If not the acting, he could also just referring him to be Law's lapdog.

How this would play out if this is the case, I do not know.

[normal plume]

I don’t want him to be a secret ally

[sturdy hound]

so you dont think it's referring to kaido adam?

or did never think that to begin with

[weak arrow]

mip, im really just desperate for him to be on the strawhat side

[sturdy hound]

[normal plume]

Why?

[sturdy hound]

the jp mighta said kaido in the first bubble

lemme check

[weak arrow]

Because I will stand for this ruining of Law's character

[sturdy hound]

sadly it didnt

your dreams live

[normal plume]

Ruining of Laws character? How do you mean

[sturdy hound]

although tbh adam

i dont think your idea is too far fetched

[weak arrow]

Basically it means Law let like the 10/11th strongest member of kaido's crew go

[sturdy hound]

youre still reading a bit too much into it tho

[normal plume]

Ahh I see. He didn’t take him down when he had the chance

Maybe it could be he’s using him without him being aware

[pastel summit]

adam. how about this. Hawkins also calculated his chance of running into Law during the war and it was really low, so he's acting out.

[weak arrow]

Well that's one particular reasoning i'd be okay with. Like if Law is the 1%, he can act out

then there's also the case Hawkins is the 1%, and he's trying to go down the road that leads him to survival

[dark palm]

that's what I've been saying choc

[normal plume]

Maybe Law thinks there’s a good chance Hawkins will switch sides when he sees the tides are turning to the SH alliances favor

[dark palm]

just in general he calculated the chance of law surviving

[weak arrow]

In general though, I would like to think Law just has in the back of his mind that if he's about to die, he'll stab Hawkins heart, thus causing any % of law's death = hawkins death as well

[normal plume]

Why not do it even if he’s not going to die

[weak arrow]

Because he can use Hawkins as an ally

Hawkins is one of the strongest people on the island

[normal plume]

I haven’t really been following that plot thread closely. So is Hawkins effectively on SHs side by blackmail now

[weak arrow]

Well, that’s what many people like to think, but 1011 threw a curveball

[normal plume]

With how Hawkins ability works whose to say someone’s else’s heart won’t take damage if Law does something and has it

He could’ve fooled him into thinking he has his heart when really it’s another voodo hack of someone else’s. Not really sure if their DF abilities could work out this way but I suppose

[weak arrow]

If law sticks a knife in the heart, it should repeatedly burn through all of Hawkins’ lives in quick succession. At least that’s how I would imagine it working.

As for having Hawkins’ actual heart, we see law cut Hawkins’ real body after being freed by drake, meaning he should be able to take Hawkins’ heart

[normal plume]

It sure doesn’t look like the case, either Law has a deeper plan or he doesn’t have the real heart

[pastel summit]

if Law doesn't have his heart it definitely feels weird, because taking hearts as leverage is his MO

[normal plume]

Mm. What do you guys think will be the significance of Yamato coming to the roof? Could Kaidou be effected sympathetically?

[real swan]

Doubt that considering he had yamato in explosive cuffs.

And he shows no remorse for dropping an island on a ton of people.

[normal plume]

Maybe we will find something about the mother. Your own daughter is now fighting you and has been against you for years not to mention BM will come back perhaps because of his allowance for the transgressions on the town that fed her. He’s really become an absolute tyrant so maybe he’ll have some nice flashbacks before being blasted away

Maybe he was indoctrinated with the ideology that absolute strength is everything. Hopefully we will see, idk about him becoming any better after being beaten but maybe it will awaken new realizations. Or maybe it’s too much thinking and he is just an absolute beast 😅 in character, conduct, and ability

[weary cliff]

Sounds an awful lot like how Oden went down

[quartz zenith]

I dont really know how many chapters this will take but, Kaido has a trick up his sleeve. Maybe some sort of Awakening form like Choppers Monster-Point. Regardless of what it is, hes gonna unleash it and Luffy is gonna be blown away. Yamato is gonna arrive at the rooftop before Kaido can finish Luffy and the Kaido/Yamato Flashback will start.

[maiden terrace]

if luffy get's blown away, POSSIBLY, while he's down he may be coming up with a plan or some sort of G4 adv conq haki way of beating Kaido while Yamato fends Kaido off

It may work however, i don't think that luffy is that smart. But IRC he's done stuff like this before

[zealous grail]

If I'm being honest, I kind of want Luffy to beat Kaido in a 1v1. I don't think Yamato will be able to do much against his /(her?) dad.

[dense wing]

Yamato has fought her dad for years, she has experience enough to hold him off

Also it’s already not a 1v1 win as Luffy has already had help from so many other in injuring Kaido

However I think Luffy will do most damage and final blow

[zealous grail]

That's fair, that's is 100% fair

[zealous grail]

See I'm sort of imagining it like Luffy vs. Doflamingo's fight, where there was significant help from Law in the beginning but then it turned into a whole 1v1 fight

[dense wing]

It already is like that in a sense yeah

I think Yamato is the last bit of help Luffy needs

Then he wins

[zealous grail]

Maybe, or it might be that Yamato will keep some of the other forces off of Luffy's back, considering it seems that Perospero has arrived

[dense wing]

No one else is coming to the roof

[zealous grail]

That monkey did say the one that killed Pedro is now here (I'm assuming that's a ref to Perospero and not Big Mom)

[dense wing]

Everyone is gathering at the live floor it seems

I think it’s a great setup for everyone to see as Kaido falls defeated from the roof

Like Luffy breaks the roof in his final blow

[grizzled fog]

Yes that’s Perospero, but peros is down at the live floor near Marco, and Neko plans to deal with him. There’s absolutely zero connection between him and Yamato anyway, denying Yamato from the roof is a little weird at this point honestly

[zealous grail]

That's what just crossed my mind

[dense wing]

Do you see Carrot coming to help Neko btw?

I think it would be fitting

[zealous grail]

Honestly, that would be nice, if Carrot can get some revenge on Perospero for Pedro

[grizzled fog]

I think it would be too yea, don’t think carrot is done with Perospero yet

[dense wing]

I feel as though Carrot has to get revenge

Plus their fight was offscreened

[grizzled fog]

I wanted Sanji to make really quick work of carrot and injure him badly for carrot to finish, but hey I can’t complain about fluffy cat scabbard beating his candy ass in either

[zealous grail]

She'll probably weaken but not defeat Perospero. Like I imagine that she'll turn into her moon furry form (forgot what it's called), battle Perospero for a while, but then time out and Neko will finish the job

[dense wing]

No moonlight

Neko and Carrot would be fighting non-sulong

Since they’re inside

[zealous grail]

Figured hole in roof and stuff might allow for moonlight to come through

[dense wing]

Plus didn’t Peros make a comment about being useless in the busted form?

It would come back to bite him as he would lose to non-Sulongs

[grizzled fog]

? Wym

[dense wing]

Hold on

Wording is wrong

[grizzled fog]

Oh wait, nvm I know what you mean

[zealous grail]

Wait I'm still confused, what does he mean

[grizzled fog]

Yea he mentioned relying on the weather for power iirc, I’ll get the panel 1 sec

[dense wing]

Yeah I can’t find it lol

[dense wing]

That

Because of the way he worded it, it would be so nutty when/if Carrot and Neko beat them non-Sulong

Maybe Oda will have them comment on it too

[grizzled fog]

God i would’ve killed to see that fight, looked like he rained down candy spears on them, shame it got offscreened

[dense wing]

Toei filler

[dark leaf]

bless the anime

[grizzled fog]

Yea I think the wording implies he was totally losing against their sulong

[dense wing]

Yeah

[dark leaf]

peros is just asking for a sky-split from luffy vs kaido

[dense wing]

He seems pretty tattered himself

[grizzled fog]

Big mom covered the clouds and removed sulong, it’d be pretty hilarious if luffy snd kaido split them and brought back the moon. Though I think sulong is done

[amber oar]

honestly it's for the better if Oda leaves the extended battles to Toei
The story progresses quickly and the anime has material to fill from. It's a win-win

[zealous grail]

Yo that'd be real funny ngl, like suddenly Luffy and Kaido's clash change the weather and give the Minks their Sulong form back out of nowhere.

[dense wing]

It really is a win-win

[dense wing]

Everyone is inside already

[dark leaf]

I hope it ain't done, not when carrot and wanda need some redemption, and neko and inu are gonna be fighting too

[dense wing]

I don’t think there is any point

Imo we may be done with sulongs, unless Oda does something like, a glimmer of moonlight shined through a crack

[dark leaf]

what if luffy and kaido end up blowing open the roof, it's been taking shit tons of damage from the previous supernova vs yonko fight

[zealous grail]

I imagine that there will be a lot of holes from the roof though, probably even a loss of a good chunk of the roof

[sturdy hawk]

Finished reading, really nice theory @dusky acorn, you could also add that the bird kidd made is a roc (reference to luffy's attack) and the 81 is in reference to his chances of death

[zealous grail]

Sorry I'm just replying to leave myself a bookmark to this theory. I can't read anything right now since it's like 2:30 in the morning and I really want to get to it later @zealous grail

[dusky acorn]

Thanks for reading, Fed! I actually had the 81 part originally written down, but already scrapped it because not only is it too big of an extrapolation to try and make (considering unlike the 99%, there's no percentage present for the 81). And the feedback I got here by you guys proved my worries of how it isn't practical to go too in-deph for analysis on covers

Basically, it isn't a good look for something such as that to take up a majority of the theory, so I trimmed things down

So I'll just leave it as is for now. I didn't really think much of that Roc part though, that's cool.

[sturdy hawk]

[copper frost]

@dusky acorn pretty cool theory on the hawkins 1% situation, really cool, lots of points i agree with as well, kid is as unreliable as luffy and law when it comes to escaping death, if even more so, so it makes sense for hawkins to check on his chances of staying alive, i would also add that he mightve checked luffy and law's too, there are chances that he checked for all three of them and came up with the least chances for kid

it has been brought up that kaido's might've been checked too but the overwhelming majority of the odds at that point of time were still weighing in his favour so i might be inclined to think there was nothing to see into kaido's chances of being alive any further, but that would be pretty blatantly on the nose when regarding kaido's motivation to explicitly have a grand death

[dusky acorn]

Yeah, it's entirely possible Hawkins has already checked the odds for all of these Worst Generation. Wait, in fact he literally did, as Hawkins somehow already knew Killer's chance of dying without ever having flipped through his cards during the 1011 confrontation, so he did it sometime before.
But yeah, totally feel like he knows the chances of death for not just Luffy and Killer, but Kid, Law and Zoro, who were all big preliminary forces of the raid.

[copper frost]

i would say he would check for almost all of the major alliance players in his generation yeah, would include sanji in that list since he's a big name under a prominent captain with arguably the second highest bounty

also since he already knows about germa stealth black as well alongside drake

[dusky acorn]

Yeah, it's just generally in character for Hawkins to take as much precautions as possible before actually heading out on the battlefield, and then presumably take the safest course of action. I really think that's one of the things that lends to Kid being 1% the most. Like, why else would he go after Kid of all people if there should be terrible chances for Hawkins in theory for that matchup.

Hawkins taking all those safety measures may be able to explain why he took a while to actually step into the battle too

[copper frost]

i think he already knows of kid's tenacity as his ally so it would make sense as a smart guy to have contingency measures to check if his chances against another opponent would weigh high on him or them and then stepped into the battle, for sure

he has interacted with almost all of them initially so he sees the danger from a mile ahead

another thing that points out, he is the only supernova who has encountered all of the major players from his own generation, from law, kid, luffy, zoro, apoo, and sanji in this arc alongside drake and the other tobi roppo

[dusky acorn]

Oh yeah, that's a very good catch. He's definitely been given proper time to flesh out a lot. The only thing I would have liked to see more from was a modern interaction with Apoo, now that he'd been betrayed. Must be awkward for Hawkins to be on the same crew as him now, probably hates him in the same way as Drake

[copper frost]

i would say he holds the same hatred that kid holds for apoo, and also since betrayal is a major theme this arc, it makes sense

[turbid jasper]

Holymotherfucking shitballs did I just have a Dr. House/Sherlock Holmes brain blast moment.

The thing Doflamingo knows that he was able to manipulate the Gorosei for. The person above Sengoku who gave Doflamingo the order to kill Moriah...Doflamingo knows about Imu.

And like, that's information they do not want getting out there. The throne is empty, the World Government is supposed to be a pseudo-democratic confederation.

If it came out that it was really just an absolute monarchy I have a feeling the Revolutionaries would have a recruitment center on every major island.

[steel breach]

Random question but if Luffy gives the straw hat away to another like Roger and Shanks what do you think the crew will be called?

[zinc iris]

eh it could just have been the gorosei that gave the order

they still outrank sengoku

it's still very likely doflamingo knows about Im-sama and part of his plan was to use the ope ope to switch bodies with them

but the blackmail was about the "national treasure", that by the moniker should be an object

likely the big hat in the cold storage

[steel breach]

Doflamingo wanted the Ope Ope for the Immortality surgery specifically

[zinc iris]

he also mentions the power to switch bodies

[pastel summit]

pretty sure it was kong since kong is directly responsible for the warlords

[zinc iris]

is kong that underhanded?

[pastel summit]

not really underhanded

moria was a liability at that point, after failing against the SHs and then failing to do anything meaningful at MF

[steel breach]

I don’t specifically remember Doflamingo talking about the personality changing although yes that’s a thing, I think he specifically wanted the immortality though to rule over the world

[queen arrow]

Doflamingo does mention the personality switching surgery

[steel breach]

I don’t think that’s what he wanted tho

[hidden prism]

So there are techniques that exist where you can permanently transfer your armament haki to a blade right?

[vestal isle]

the personality switching surgery is so op

would not be surprised if law uses it in the near future for some reason or other

[pure raven]

Yeah that’s basically a black blade

[hidden prism]

so does that stack? So multiple generations could permanently instill their haki layered onto the same blade?

[polar bison]

the wiki isn’t proof of that

[steel breach]

Aight give me proof that says otherwise

[zinc iris]

we don't really know
we don't even know if the black blade naturally gets the armament property of harming intangible df users
so far it just seems to become an overall better sword than before (more durable and sharp)

[pure raven]

If you take both the immortality and doffy switches himself into imu then he can rule the world forever

[steel breach]

That would be fine if he didn’t Support Kaido’s war to overthrow the WG

[teal bay]

we have ryuma's blade??

[narrow latch]

do some people still think orochi is still alive?

[pure raven]

But where is no such this as immorality because it was translated wrong

[teal bay]

it is black even after centuries

[pure raven]

Maybe doffy just wants to ruin the world

[pure raven]

I think he meant can more than one person infuse their Haki into a sword that’s already a black blade

Like zoro infusing his haki into shisui

[steel breach]

He wants to destroy the current world and rule in its destruction as an immortal king like Imu, I can’t see Doflamingo wanting to become someone else dude is the personification of narcissism

[pure raven]

I guess

But we also don’t know what the treasure is so the theory doesn’t really work

[steel breach]

And by supporting Kaido he can overthrow and destroy WG and topple Imu and steal whatever sort of Treasure they have that’s able to rule over the world

I like the idea of Uranus being in the hands of the WG and involving the red line

[maiden terrace]

I agree as well I want atleast one of the weapons to be in the hand of the WG

[sonic plaza]

I was wondering what scenes Oda would cut to in Ch. 1013:
Here is my predictions:

1. Chopper + Marco vs. Queen + King (Live Floor Fight)

This fight is prob the 3rd most important fight rn behinds Kaido and BM's 2 fights, so I think Oda is going to show this fight and it might take up most of the chapter. We know that Sanji and Zoro are heading there and they will probably get there soon. But, the fight has been cut off for a while and we need to know what's happening. Especially since Chopper just used monster point and he can only use it for 3 more minutes. possibly 6-10 pages

2. Robin + Brook vs. Black Maria

Out of the 3 additional Tobi Roppo fights (Black Maria, Sasaki, Who's Who), this is one of the 2 that we haven't seen yet. And, it has been a while, so I can see it taking up 2-4 pages

3. Jinbe vs. Who's Who

Same w/ Robin's fight. It has been a while since we saw them confront, and they haven't even fought yet, so we need to see it. Might also happen for 2-4 pages.

4. X Drake vs. Apoo

This fight is not super relevant, but we still need to see it since it has been a while. But, we might just get a quick check-in for 1-2 pages

5. Quick Check-in with few of Scabbards

We might see a few of the Scabbards that we didn't see last chapter or for a while (like Denjiro), for 1-2 pages

i dont think we will see Luffy and Nami's fights for 2 more chapters or so

[maiden terrace]

I agree what you've said will happen imo but I really hope that we get some rooftop panels in 1013

just a few

[half gulch]

I think we get more GOD and Nami, with kid and law showing up for big mom. Eventually Sanji shows up and they all go to fight king/queen. Marco heals Zoro

[maiden terrace]

yeah I agree

[steel breach]

Is there any well known Shiki theories? I’m interested in how he could return, possibly in Wano.

[sturdy hound]

Idk about shiki theories here, but we have some great theories pinned

Try giving them a look

Might find smth interesting

[steel breach]

Yeah they’re pretty good I like the Urouge Theory and Kid one but I’m just wondering on how Oda’s gonna implement Shiki into the main story

[grizzled fog]

Honestly, he probably won’t. We’ve got a good outline of the remainder of the series from here on and I don’t think shiki has much room other than as a cameo or a very minor character, and we already got a cameo of sorts from Higurasho

[steel breach]

Yeah that’s what I was thinking, like he really doesn’t need to be in the main plot line but I feel like it’s such a waste of a character and he’s got such an ambitious personality so it’s a little strange he’d just do nothing for the rest of story besides appear in flashbacks

[polar bison]

oda is going to upset most or all of these, I can feel it

[cedar sinew]

He's a remnant of the past era. I think it makes sense

[polar bison]

shiki already got an entire movie to his character, one Oda wouldn’t have allowed to be made if he was planning on using him in any real capacity in the manga

[polar bison]

context of this page implies that, despite the very wide-ranging uses of the fruit, Doffy only wanted it for the personality switching surgery and the immortality surgery.

[steel breach]

That doesn’t really proof that theory lol

[polar bison]

I didn’t say it did

[kind gate]

Skilled enough¿ so it seems the immortal surgery might actually be an ability that is encompassed in its awakening ¿

[polar bison]

but it’s definitely better evidence than a fan wiki. which isn’t evidence at all. and it’s the only information we have from Doffy on what he wanted from the fruit. so as it’s the best we have. it’s what we go off of

[steel breach]

Bro the fan wiki is more proof then a single out of context page lol

[queen arrow]

it isn't

[polar bison]

^ and that page isn’t out of context

[queen arrow]

the wiki is fanmade, and is someone's interpretation of the dialogue, the manga page is a manga page

it's literally the source material

[steel breach]

Do I need to specifically find the page where it’s referenced as to when Corizon tells law why he needs the fruit

[queen arrow]

Corazon never says anything about why Doflamingo wants the fruit

[grizzled fog]

I mean if there’s a manga page that helps you prove your point, you should probably find it yea lol

[steel breach]

Aight saving this for when I’m right

[weak arrow]

I'm just confused on what the argument is.

"Doflamingo wanted the Op-op for personality switch and the youth surgery"
"No he only wanted it for the youth surgery"
Panel posted of doflamingo himself admitting that he wants access to the personality swap
"i'll get the panel that says he wants it for the immortality surgery"

[steel breach]

Post physique

[grizzled fog]

A panel that shows doffy saying he wants it for the immortality surgery wouldn’t disprove that he ALSO wants it for the personality surgery anyway lol

[weak arrow]

Yes vemqi, that’s why im confused

[steel breach]

He could’ve specifically wanted it for that reason at that certain time he was talking about but we have no idea when that was or when he got his own devil fruit which would make it impossible

I’m 100% right in everything

[queen arrow]

oh so it's an ego problem

[steel breach]

Sorry bro I’m just awesome

[queen arrow]

no you're just full of yourself

[steel breach]

Cry about it lmao

[queen arrow]

i don't even have to say anything you're making such a fool of yourself

[steel breach]

You’re taking this shit way too seriously lmfao

[kind gate]

Read the channel description

[steel breach]

Nah

[kind gate]

Please stop doing this man

[weak arrow]

Yeah that's enough. Morgoth your argument was wrong, and that's okay. It happens to everyone. Everyone's either had some misconception or misremembered something.

[steel breach]

LOL

[queen arrow]

it's okay to be wrong buddy

[steel breach]

I will never be wrong....

[kind gate]

Look man people just informing you about the topic no need to act like this.
I hope this will be the last message on this
Let’s move on and try to be more positive during discussions
Hope you have a great day

[steel breach]

Imagine larping as a discord mod lol

[kind gate]

Just trying to keep the chat friendly wouldn’t want you getting muted or banned for no reason

[dense wing]

Anyway

I think it’s likely Doffy wanted Op Op due to finding out about Imu

[kind gate]

Nah I think only specific people are able to make use of the weapon like maybe it has some sort of biometric lock or something

[weak arrow]

Personality Swapping with Imu and then getting the surgert to live forever (Too bad Doffy might not know about Imu already living forever cough)

[kind gate]

So imu might be the only one with access to this weapon¿

[sand sail]

What if that's confirmation that Imu doesn't have it yet, but wanted it?

The marines were the ones who were trying to buy the fruit after all

[weak arrow]

I like that idea too.

[sand sail]

Could be how Law ends up dying, they target him for the fruit so they can grab it, or maybe even Blackbeard tries the same

And that's how the whole final war ends up setting up before Laugh Tale

[lyric dust]

i was thinking about this when watching this conversation, honestly sounds pretty cool

i dont know how he would find about imu though, maybe he just randomly came across him while wandering through the castle?

[weak arrow]

Recently watched a series in the past couple years where someone body swaps and kills the other person, and then successfully takes on their identity, and just seems like a perfect fit here.

[kind gate]

But would he gain imu’s memories too¿

[lyric dust]

ooh, I just watched a series just like that

[weak arrow]

and no dont say the series

[lyric dust]

i will not

[weak arrow]

Personality swapping does not seem to gain their memories.

[lyric dust]

probably not, none of the straw hats remarked about having different memories or whatever

[kind gate]

Yh I know but imagine if only imu knew a password of some sort how would he get that

[lyric dust]

he wouldn't

[kind gate]

There’s also the possibility of imu having vastly superior haki and him not being able to use it in him

[queen arrow]

maybe he needs Im's fingerprints?

[lyric dust]

its possible, but i have no clue how he would figure that out and make it out of marejois alive by himself

if there was some sort of vault that required fingerprints of imu, it would most likely be hidden somewhere near the empty throne area

[queen arrow]

since it's after he killed his father, he had his devil fruit already

[lyric dust]

how the hell did he even get to marejois in the first place? did he fly using his powers?

[queen arrow]

i have no clue i just know he did

[lyric dust]

alpha chad

[kind gate]

I doubt he knows about imu himself tbvh

[weak arrow]

oh was it stated he learned the truth after

[queen arrow]

he learned when he raided Mary Geoise didn't he?

[worthy belfry]

doffy said national treasure power rotts away , so is it a dead body?

[lyric dust]

when?

i never remember him saying that

[weak arrow]

he says something like that in his prison cell but it's not meant to be taken that way imo

[queen arrow]

the boy

[lyric dust]

ah okay, ty

[lyric dust]

i was looking for the chapter where he said that, and i got baited by a fake viz website

[worthy belfry]

one doubt, one enters grand line paradise part by going through reverse moutain from all 4 blue seas, how to return back?

like how to return back from grandline to one of the 4 seas?

[lyric dust]

calm belt or something

[weak arrow]

you have to go through the calm belt

[lyric dust]

luffy and his crew could probably just fly back to one of the blue seas using coup de burst

[weak arrow]

Or climb the redline at the end of paradise or the new world

and then walk until you get to the sea you want

[queen arrow]

the answer for most people is usually "you don't"

[worthy belfry]

hmm, garp went back and forth from grandline to goa kingdom many times for luffy right?

[weak arrow]

Yeah, but that isnt a problem for marines because they have connections

and garp can beat all the seakings lol

[worthy belfry]

true

[cedar sinew]

marine ships can cross the calm belts

[weak arrow]

that's a newer technology iirc

[worthy belfry]

so only strong people can come back

[weak arrow]

which is why i didnt mention

[cedar sinew]

oh is it?

[cedar sinew]

I mean don krieg came back

[weak arrow]

Coby tells luffy about it post-enies lobby and it seemed like a recent advancement. Guess it msotly just depends on how recent boa became a warlord

[cedar sinew]

I guess you have to be "strong"

[worthy belfry]

he was half dead

[cedar sinew]

because of mihawk

[lyric dust]

well, the marine ships have technology that allows them to pass by sea king-infested territories without any real problems

[cedar sinew]

ofc sea kings were a part but, you don't have be a insanely strong or anything

also I assume if you've reached the end of the grand line your crew is strong enough to cross it

[worthy belfry]

so when big moms said they will kill baratie owner who is in east blue, is that very difficult from big mom who is in grandline

[cedar sinew]

it'd take some time, but not difficult

[polar bison]

big mom also probs has connections in every sea

so it may have just been a phone call away for her

[worthy belfry]

okay

how could moria bring back island ship from west blue to grandline, just 10 years ago, isnt that amazing

[pure raven]

If Franky ever built aircraft, what would it look like and what do you think he'll call it?
I was thinking WW1-style machines called Aero Franky or Turbo Franky

[velvet edge]

Possibly Battle Franky 39. Even General Franky is Battle Franky 38

[pure raven]

what aircraft would he base it on?
Eindecker, Sopwith Camel, or Fokker Dr.1?

[worthy belfry]

franky never built a mini helicopter, everything else he built, from tanks to submarines

[lunar shell]

Tama is very like Buddha isnt she ?

[light python]

yes

[lunar shell]

Should we do a recap of what they have or do in common?

[sacred hawk]

You know what would be a devestating attack for Blackbeard to do?

He pulls you in with his gravity at top speed, and then hits you with a quake punch at the right moment

[light raft]

Sanji and Zoro are heading towards the main stage. Once there Marco will offer to heal Zoro, but with that he will spend the rest of his energies and will be out of combat for a while, since he himself has already said that he is beginning to suffer from the prolonged battle with 2 generals. With that, we will see the fights between Zoro vs King weakened and Sanji vs Queen weakened.

[cyan berry]

Marco couldn't heal the samurai there fully and it took up all his power, doubt he'll b able to do anything to Zoro, especially in his current state

[grizzled fog]

Marco’s flames have a very small effect on others, and as youss pointed out he wasn’t able to fully heal the samurai earlier, and he was in a much better condition then than he is now. Plus neither king or queen seem weakened much, they took hits from Marco but they are literally ancient zoans. It’d seem kinda pathetic if a couple hits could put them in a weakened state

[dusky acorn]

So, this Monet theory was brought to my attention today, and it seems like a enormous effort just judging by the massive size in word count.
Just felt like sharing because I've never seen anything with as much effort as this. Don't know what to expect, but I'll be delving into it, feel free to join in and read on your own too. https://thrillerbark.com/threads/the-romance-of-fantasy-the-grand-monet-theory.1481/

[lyric dust]

Man I read a few paragraphs and I’m already done

Monet is alive and is going to be a relevant plot point in future arcs and will join the crew

[craggy pumice]

Only way Moetn returns is as a Zombie Harpy, which actually would be kinda cool

[pure raven]

So post TS mirrors Pre TS which means that wano is like thriller bark so my theory is that after wano luffy (or possibly another strawhat) will be captured by CP0 and as sabaody is directly after thriller bark would mean possibly a failed first rescue for the straw hats and then as Luffy, sabo and other past figures will be in impel down they will team up to escape and then that is when the revolutinary army will come in and the final war will happen afterwards.

[nimble hinge]

What was WCI and PH mirroring?

[pure raven]

Wci was mirroring enies lobby with a straw hat retrieval

and not quite sure for punk hazard

[grizzled fog]

That Monet theory is 50,000 words. Jesus Christ

[pure raven]

and others are like fishman island mirrors arlong park dressrosa and alabasta

[nimble hinge]

Fishman Island mirrored Arlong park? Can you elaborate a little.

[cyan berry]

they both just had fishmen

doesnt mean they both mirrored each other

[pure raven]

Oh punk hazard possibly mirrored by drum island

[nimble hinge]

Because of?

[pure raven]

well sickness and new member also both on snowy place

[nimble hinge]

Who was the new member in PH? Law?

[pure raven]

kinda

[grizzled fog]

A lot of these supposed mirrors are held together by really loose connections huh

[sonic plaza]

Do you guys think Shanks is stronger then Kaido

[grizzled fog]

Don’t think so, but it’s possible. They’re probably really close in strength regardless though so I don’t think it matters but

[polar bison]

im,,, not sure I can respect 50k words being written about Monet

[weak arrow]

There's also some Vegapunk, Urouge, Bonney, Enel, and Sugar

[dusky acorn]

Yeah, even if some of the specific hypothesis' about Monet are wrong, there's still some good general insight about the story in there

If I were to critique it, I feel like it did feel too fanficcy near the end, almost as if they were just trying to reach a conclusion to the scenario at some point, when they could have cut their losses and stuck to pure grounded evidence, but it gives interesting things to think about

[sacred bobcat]

So zoro is done for?

[visual merlin]

possibly, but decent chance he will do something else at some point in this war

[grizzled fog]

I’m 100% confident he’s gonna do something else.
I’m not quite sure it’s not gonna be a 1v1 with anyone tobi roppo and above.
Fighting fodder or orochi seem like a good bet, and could be really meaningful if he turns enma into a black blade fighting orochi.
The one thing I do not want him to do is assist in the fight against king, but I feel that that’s not terribly far fetched now

[polar bison]

tobi roppo are all kinda spoken for

I think there’s a lot going, specifically in this chapter, for Zoro to be somewhat involved in a tag team against the calamities

[grizzled fog]

I don’t mind if zoro helps get in an attack or two on queen, since I anticipate a large gang fight with him getting jumped by basically everyone

Not king though.

[polar bison]

previously we had Queen’s comment about taking out the #2/3 fighters, the Queen/King dynamic, and the consistent pairing of them together - even in fights - as bickering rivals a la zoro/sanji

then this chapter gave us zoro and sanji together, heading towards the live floor. and also izo and kawamatsu as allies for the fight (King knows Izo by name, while Kawamatsu - as a prisoner of Udon, the place he ruled - should have some sort of relation w Queen)

at the same time I still don’t expect zoro to stay there forever tbh

he’s still got the set up with Hiyori and Orochi and idt that’s going away, since it’s what he spent the entire 2nd act doing p much

[polar bison]

Sanji King 1v1 after Queen goes down first 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰

[hidden tinsel]

I think who Hawkins talks about never having 0% is Zoro, remember Zoro's Luck vs Curse

[grizzled fog]

Never having 0%? Wym, that was only said about luffy in mf as far as I remember

[hidden tinsel]

Man i be trippin bro dont mind me

[waxen light]

I wonder if Hawkins actually beats/kills Killer and it's the catalyst for Kid awakening advanced coc

[pure raven]

Kid will be occupied with big mom so even if killer dies I doubt kid will find out unless Hawkins comes there

[grizzled fog]

Killer gets enough disrespect already I can’t fathom how bad it’d be if he actually lost

[dense wing]

Just see it as Hawkins hype

Nah but honestly I think Hawkins will either be convinced to change sides or he's losing to Killer

[grizzled fog]

I hope he changes sides

[tender drift]

How probable would it be if Rocks was still alive? I've saw a post where it stated that rocks had red hair, Oda was talking about how a red hair will make their move this year, Shanks was talking about "a certain pirate", and the lurking legend thingy.

[waxen light]

[weak arrow]

I've saw a post where it stated that rocks had red hair, Oda was talking about how a red hair will make their move this year
i dont recall either of these being true

[sturdy hound]

the red hair moving thing is true

[tender drift]

idk i saw a post so idk if its creadible

[dusky acorn]

Whatever post you saw was probably just theorising. We don't know Rocks hair colour. And even then, in the silhouettes we have seen, he seems to have pretty dark hair colour, possibly black

[tender drift]

rocks having red hair was probably just fanart

[tender drift]

yea thats black

[polar bison]

he’s still silhouetted. if Oda wants to reveal he had red hair at some point,,,, he’s not gonna do it in this panel.

[tender drift]

fair, I just wanted to see your guy's thoughts

[forest rampart]

Any theory of Shanks coming to Wano?
(coz I'm starting to think he'll come at the end of Wano Arc after Blackbeard though, just like Marineford. But I dont have any idea, nor that I want to make a theory on this)

[tender drift]

I'm not sure, but I feel hes gonna meet with luffy right after his bounty increases

[hollow axle]

shanks coming would make it too crowded 3 yonko and luffy whos considered one too

[forest rampart]

After Wano bounty? Cant say I agree

Nah, I said that Bb n Shanks will come but not that they'll fight at Wano

Shanks is my new idea but not like it comes from nothing

[hollow axle]

oh,ok

[dense wing]

I don't think Shanks is coming to Wano, it's possible that we'll meet him at Elbaf

[tender drift]

well, I don't really think the war oda was reffering to was wano

i also haven't a clue I just go by gut lol

[forest rampart]

If you're talking about the big war Oda mentioned some times ago, I agree that it's about the final war but either way, as things have been progressing now, Wano is getting bigger. So, it could just be both

"A certain pirate" that Shanks was talking to Gorosei is probably about Blackbeard. Someone posted that theory few months ago but I dont think I could find it. It's in this channel anyway

[tender drift]

It sounds like its about blackbeard

but I just got an instinct yk. Its very ambiguous

[last halo]

I think we shouldn't be getting any new participants in the current war. At most the BM Pirates that are at the waterfall

Shanks and Blackbeard will have their time soon and the only marines I think we'll be seeing in Wano are already there: Drake (and Law )

[forest rampart]

My idea is that Bb (n Shanks also probably) will come but they'll continue the fight at Elbaf.
Why would Blackbeard come though? Just like BM n Kaido, Blackbeard wanted Robin to read/decipher the Poneglyph for them. Like maybe they already collected some poneglyph rubbing.
As for Shanks, he wanted to stop Blackbeard just like how he did at Marineford Arc.. (Wait.. does it means that he came only coz he wanted to stop Blackbeard thus is why Shanks arrived later?..)
Shanks did told Whitebeard to stop Ace from going after Bb to the extend that he go to meet Wb by himself since Wb refuse to read n listen to Shanks request by letter.

Idk if this is official stuff or what but the title say
" One Piece Onigashima Showdown "
This is the actual reason why I asked if anyone has a theory about Shanks coming to Wano.

Can anyone confirm for me if this is from official stuff? Only if you know though since doesnt want to trouble anyone.
Like is it from Oda himself?

[sturdy hound]

it says "one piece, the decisive battle of onigashima" ye

but it's not published by shueisha

so idt it's official

not sure what it is tbh

it's called a "mook" apparently

[forest rampart]

Yeah I used google translate n it said Mook

[sturdy hound]

here's a link to it

https://www.amazon.co.jp/-/en/dp/4866904259

[pure raven]

Looks like a theory magazine

[sturdy hound]

a what now

people pay for jp theories ?

japan sure is milking everything

[pure raven]

I'm just guessing lol, google translate gives me this for the description:
Thoroughly unravel all mysteries!
・ What is the protagonist of the "giant battle" that divides the ocean?
・ About the relationship between Toki and the civilization of the moon
・ Is there a Xebec in the teach?
・ The identity of Joyboy was Luffy !?
・ The model of Kogetsu Oden is "Oda Nobunaga"

[forest rampart]

Oh theory magazine?!! Wow

Kogetsu Oden / Kozuki Oden

[light smelt]

what if zoro betrays the straw hats at the end

[cyan berry]

Why and for what

[sturdy hound]

^

[pure raven]

Because twist and for suprising moment

[pure raven]

Respect for the guy who invested so much time in making such a detailed theory .

These panels might sound like they were just for some jokes

But with all the snow and monet theorys i feels that maybe this could be relevant in the future .

Image order

P3
P1
P2

[sturdy hound]

usopp?
nah a guy from a bar

[pure raven]

Because he got too drunk maybe

[thorn zodiac]

probably shanks im guessing

[sturdy hound]

ye ofc

buggy tells him that bb doesnt sleep in the oden fb

[thorn zodiac]

mhm

[sturdy hound]

and that he's from a snow country

[thorn zodiac]

just shows how great oda is at foreshadowing

[pure raven]

If we count all the sw memebers then
What if it starts with 0 (no reason to start with 0(a whole no) but a possibility that it making the crew whole)

0 luffy (captain) (main fighter ,Mf)
1 zoro(swordsman ) (mf)
2 nami (navigator)
3 ussop (sniper)
4 sanji (cook) (mf)
5 chopper (also emergency food supply and doctor)
6 robbin (archeologist)
7 franky (shipwright)
8 brook (singer or pianist )
9 jinbei (helsman ) (mf)

Possible future crew memebe

10 carrot (emergency food supply) (mf)
11 yamato (maybe fiighter) (mf)
12 vivi or maybe someone new

Similar to jinbein coming to SH from warlods
Yamato coming froma a yonko crew and maybe someone @12 post from WG

[copper frost]

That'd be fucking bullshit

[dark palm]

dancer? lol

yamato would just be a fighter

fans are more obsessed with roles than luffy is

[pure raven]

Yeah that is also weitten as(mf) i.e main fighter

[copper frost]

Dancer????

[brisk kettle]

lol i forgot that chopper is also emergency food

[worthy belfry]

Carrot is a lookout

A ship always need a lookout person to watch the seas for any danger which carrot can do all the time as. She can barely sleeps

[pseudo citrus]

why have carrot as lookout when you could have momonosuke, who can hear "voices" from greater distances and through walls?

[worthy belfry]

Momo can't fight plus he needs to stay back at wano just like vivi

[pseudo citrus]

I think the expectation is that his dragon powers will evolve somewhat, given the foreshadowing about kaido's dragon powers lifting the castle, but yeah I certainly hope he stays in wano

[worthy belfry]

What I wonder if momo dragon powers are from artificial devil fruit or he was dragon from beginning

[pure raven]

It is from artifical df

[grizzled fog]

................¿

[supple nimbus]

They are from a smile........ he ate a weird fruit in punk hazard and he turned into a dragon........

[pseudo citrus]

weren't the smiles made by caesar, though? the one momo ate was made by vegapunk but considered a failure, iirc

[supple nimbus]

Sorry not a smile Vega's artificial DF's

[pseudo citrus]

just mentioning, since I think he'll end up being a better DF user than any of the ridiculous SMILEs

[quaint dove]

CP0 already said his DF was an artificial copy of Kaidos that VP claimed was a failure

[pseudo citrus]

ah that's the line I was thinking of... to me, that sounds like vegapunk made it, i.e. different from the SMILE

[supple nimbus]

I mean SMILE's only had a 10% success rate anyway

[dark perch]

I think Chopper will end up with a cure for the artificial devil fruits since it's just science and not magic

[muted ember]

Imagine trying to ruin 1,3k chapters worth of setup, just so you can make a "he was evil all along" arc.

Zoro has stated MULTIPLE times, that he would and will sacrifice his dream for his captain, at any moment.

If he needs to die, in order for Luffy to live, then he will proudly die.

[worthy belfry]

Shanks gonna be evil

[muted ember]

Shanks evil
Zoro evil
Luffy evil?

Blackbeard good guy all along???

Akainu real villain??

IM luffy mom??

[pseudo citrus]

we can go for a classic... everything post-marineford is a dream luffy had as he was dying

[muted ember]

Sounds good, print it.

Make Sanji and Zoro be a fragment of Luffy's imagination, friends he "wanted" to have. They didn't exist in the first place

Nami is the mother figure Luffy never had. Robin is the sister he always wanted, Franky is the cool uncle he always dreamed of. Brooke is Ace's skeleton, and Chopper is the alligator he ate that one time.

Luffy has always been alone, nobody around him. He imagined everything. Nothing is real.

[pseudo citrus]

franky and robin are definitely the mother and father... hancock can be his repressed sexuality

[winter wave]

Carrot could be the one on top of the ship who always keeps watch of enemy ships (as you can guess I don't know the exact term)

[pseudo citrus]

I do think people are thinking too much about "roles" in terms of strawhats... it wasn't like "man we need a helmsman, let's get jinbe", it was like "luff wants jinbe, we get jinbe", and that's it

luffy decides.

[tired osprey]

Pirate apprentice tama

[pure raven]

Oda loves cultural references, or just using stuff kids are told a lot - like the milk - bone thing.

Carrot eats a lot of carrots, and 'carrots are good for your eyes' is a popular sentence, so in OP she has amazing eyes

[sturdy hound]

@pure raven did you see that 50k word monet theory

[pure raven]

No(t yet)

Not in pings?

[sturdy hound]

nah, shim posted it a bit above

#manga-theories message

this

[pseudo citrus]

I was mostly meme-ing with this comment to try and jinx momonosuke off of the crew, but this is pretty big brain, I like it

[pure raven]

It starts off really well with the heart thing... Try going with a small needle and piercing a functioning heart. But well, it's OP and she could even be cured or wtv, I'll try to let it slide

[sturdy hound]

i knew you were gonna read it

[pure raven]

Ok where I'm at now is just an ocean of speculation that just doesn't have any value, which one would be expecting from a theory this big

'Monet's books' is a good chapter. Not a fan of the last part, but it has some cool information

Tattoo could just be a mistake

[dusky acorn]

Yeah, the author went REALLY deep on the tattoo thing, it even extended towards their theory for last unknown race if I remember correctly. Really don't think they should have analyzed that hard into a one off detail such as that lol. Does seem like a drawing error considering it was only that one panel

Also didn't like them saying Hitetsu may be the same race as King just because of his wings

Which may just be cosmetic (for Hitetsu)

[pure raven]

Ok, stopped at 1:08. It's a "Monet for nakama" theory, but no 2,9? Should be dismissed right there, but it could still have something interesting that leads to her return. I just haven't seen it yet, the books were the only interesting bit, the rest is mostly the OP using the conclusion they want to change interpretations, instead of using the details as evidence for the conclusion

[pseudo citrus]

what are the candidates people have come up with for 2,9 atm? is there a write-up of that theory anywhere? I'd like to send it to a friend

[pure raven]

Anything neko neko, Kinemon (fuku), Kuma (nikyu)

[pseudo citrus]

ne-ko to ni-ku seems like a bit of a stretch, but it would make sense if there are zoans everywhere atm fodder for us yamato fans

[pure raven]

It's not a stretch, it's gorowase

[thick halo]

Yamato can have some sort of cat fruit variant

Like a tiger. Cat cat model. Neko neko which works fit the 2,9 format right? No idea. I don’t like the idea of Yamato joining just yet but we have yet to see the backstory with kaido so Yamato can still grow in me I suppose

[worthy belfry]

cat,bird,dog,human , what else is there

ohh fish

cow

dragon fruit

chopper fruit is basic one human human fruit

there must be some basic dog dog fruit

or basic cat cat fruit

[merry reef]

Like ..who's her mother?

[pure raven]

There's Labrador fruit in the Navy if I remember correctly.

[keen portal]

Dalmatian* but you're right.

There's also a Vice Admiral named Doberman but he's just a regular human as of now, no fruit seen.

[midnight heron]

dragon's bounty is probably the same or higher than roger's, im thinking like 5.6b

going off on the ohara theory

[worthy belfry]

rocks bounty?

[dense wing]

Unknown

[cyan sand]

could be higher than 5.6B since roger and garp needed to work together to beat him, but that was probably also before roger got his final bounty

[dense wing]

I’d say it should be up there w Roger/WB

It prob wasn’t higher than Roger

I see it being below WB’s

[pure raven]

2. The plain meaning of (軌) is that it's a Kanji pronounced "Ki", which is coincidentally short for Kid's name.
   For example, it's like if Luffy were to have a shirt with "Lu" written on it, which makes for yet another connection to Kid.

   Basically, the writing on the shirt is meant to serve as a general reference to Kid's power through science, paired with a shortened way of pronouncing his name through kanji. It makes sense it's meant to refer to things about Kid, given it's his piece of clothing after all.
   @dusky acorn it's not really (just) that... it's true that this kanji is read as "ki", but its significance comes from the meaning. 軌 is what makes us think the 3D is related to the 3d (normally written as a small d) elements, because 軌道 is the word for "orbital", and the 3d elements (those transition metals on the 4th period of the periodic table) are those whose last electron occupies a 3d atomic orbital. Now, what may interest you is that 軌道 is pronounced "kidou"

[mental star]

Wasn’t it roger and garp vs the rocks crew

[cyan sand]

yes that is what i meant

[quaint dove]

He was a pirate, sengoku explicitly said no pirate ever reached the bounties of the level of wb or Roger

[zinc iris]

probably rocks came and went fast

[autumn zinc]

no pirate ever has surpassed the bounty of roger and wb

[visual merlin]

this is true

I would guess Rocks had something like 3bil

[zinc iris]

before a high bounty could be established

[visual merlin]

but who knows

[lyric dust]

how insightful

[quaint dove]

Maybe 4.9

[visual merlin]

Nah Entry

he was at least around for 2 years

plenty of time to get a high bounty as the leader of Rocks

[autumn zinc]

a clean 5 billion would be great for Rocks

[zinc iris]

yes but luffy did a lot of stuff and still is at 1.5B

if rocks died at the same time he did the shit that would have skyrocketed him above 5B then that bounty would have never been issued

[wide cloud]

Wheere is akaii

[ancient vault]

I think I posted a theory (of soemone else) about how she is gonna be important because of her astrology knowledge and how its gonna tie together with the dawn. Its on reddit I dont have time to look for it myself but if you look for the keywords "monet" "dawn" and "solar eclipse" on the OP reddit u should be able to find it

[sacred hawk]

So it looks like the Luffy vs. Kaido fight has gone one for the better part of an hour, at the very least.

[vestal isle]

i was thinking that too, not sure if that timing makes sense

[visual merlin]

Not sure how it matches up with the Kid and BM situation

BM hitting them with hera didn't seem like long after Luffy unlocked CoC coating, since Law is still on the roof after Kid gets hit

and Kidd notices Big mom in the castle around the same time Zeus does

maybe Im just confused

but yea, not sure if the timing makes sense either

[dusky acorn]

Thanks Stoop. It makes sense the kanji was meant to be an abbreviation and could be finished off by a kanji representative of "Do" to complete his name. Especially considering I already proved the "Ki" kanji was clearly meant to be short for Kid's name to begin with. I believe abbreviations of words are found on character clothing often throughout the series too, but I'd need to actually scour some examples for that.

But the thing is, the only point I was trying to prove was that the text generally related to Kid's character, in order to segue into the 99% also relating to him, and I think I already proved it adequately enough with just those first 2 points. I prefer not to linger on cover page analysis more than I need to, but I'll still see if I can trim things down enough to include that as a third point as well

[zinc iris]

@dusky acorn I need clarification about #other-series rule regarding a theory I'm thinking about
While it's clear that "scene X from one piece reminded me of Y story isn't that neat" is not allowed unless Y is some 100-years-old work like Sherlock Holmes, what if I want to seriously argue "Oda took Inspiration from work X for this thing in One piece"?

[dusky acorn]

Well, is it regarding a theory that has to do with #manga only content? If there's no manga-content, you could also just drop the theory in #other-series with appropriate tags for it. If it's about recent chapters though, you wouldn't be able to

It's very risky to try talking about it here. You'd have to be talking very, very surface level about this inspiration and with no plot details whatsoever.
Like, at most you'd be able to talk about design similarities I guess, but giving no context whatsoever

[zinc iris]

It might entail some manga content like hybrid kaido's looks

otherwise the biggest part is a suspicion on laugh tale's actual location that is based on the idea that two things in the story are indeed based after a 30 years old videogame

[pure raven]

for sure, I just pointed it out because people were linking the message when talking about the metals

[pure raven]

DM me if it's not allowed 😳

[zinc iris]

ok

[dusky acorn]

Yeah, this wouldn't bode well. I suppose you could cut the theory in separate parts though, like drop all your text in this channel that doesn't detail the references, and then put all the text that carefully doesn't specify manga-content in #other-series with tags that includes the references. And like, navigating people here to your post in the other channel with a message link. That sounds like a botched way of posting it though lol. You're better off sharing it in other places rather than here if you don't want to go through all that tip toeing around the channels

[pure raven]

I found a reference some time ago and posted, but it was indeed an almost 100 years old thing lol

[weak arrow]

@coarse river

[cerulean coyote]

Mr 4 bazooka ate the dog dog. Also, Chakra in alabasta ate the dog model jackal

[keen path]

What ever happened to the lurking legend

[weak arrow]

It seems to be the Rocks Pirate reforming aka BM + Kaido

[vague shuttle]

Yo wtf is that monet theory that shit is like 40 pages long.

Can someone summarize it into 2 paragraphs?

[visual merlin]

The guy likes Monet

[vague shuttle]

What is the 2, 9 theory. I cant read japanese

[pseudo citrus]

Each of the current crew's devil fruits can be references to pairs of numbers:
Luffy, go-mu, 5-6
Robin, ha-na, 8-7
Chopper, hi-to, 1-10
Brook, yo-mi, 4-3
These numbers cover everything from 1-10 except for 2 and 9... so people theorize that the final devil fruit user to join the crew will have a 2-9 fruit, such as Kin'emon (fuku), Kuma (nikyu), or any neko-neko fruit

[ancient vault]

@zinc iris dm it to me too I'll read it when I got free time again

[eager trout]

Joy Boy, Laugh Tale all of these point to one thing that island is a circus

Which connects to our lord and savior Buggy Sama

Imagine if One Piece is a Gold Clown Nose

[tired osprey]

Keep in mind that ne-ko is a bit of stretch, its not clear cut like the other sh dfs

[dusky acorn]

Monet is alive because her heart was shown in tact even after Caesar stabbed it. Monet also has things left vague surrounding her character, such as a teased tragic backstory in an SBS, tattoo mark and astronomy books. Monet was captured by Brownbeard/Smoker to segue into her return, or she woke up on her own and followed Smoker/Tashigi because they had the kids which will lead her into the Vegapunk arc, where her usefulness had led her to become Vegapunk's secretary this time.

Straw Hats will find their own way to Vegapunk to cure the SMILES, or Drake will guide them there as his gratitude for them helping him defeat Kaido and allowing him to fight on their side. They meet Vegapunk, and he offers to help them only on the condition that they venture out to the moon for him. Luffy agrees because he's always down for an adventure. Vegapunk allows Monet to join their party because of her astronomy knowledge/use as a scout, since she has free flight. A war ensues for Uranus between everyone there, including Urouge and Enel. Luffy wins and returns Uranus to Vegapunk, who then offers Monet to join their crew for good.

Arcs pass and we're at an island where Monet meets Sugar who escaped from the marines, and their tragic backstory is revealed. In their past, they were attacked by the last unknown race. This race is also coincidentally on the island as the main villains, whom Luffy beats for Monet to clear her character arc up and solidify her as a Straw Hat.

[vague shuttle]

Oh that's cool

[still hound]

I found some actually good theories in tik tok also I hate tik tok I just watch the anime community part even tho it’s toxic

[vague shuttle]

Sounds well built up but also how many more arcs are there going to be in this story for all that shit to happen? I don't think the mugiwaras are going to the moon

[tired osprey]

Itll happen in the next volumes sbs

[vague shuttle]

But at the same time there's so many loose ends that I cant rly tell how many more arcs we've got

[polar bison]

been reading through the theory intermittently (just finished the first section of 13 reasons why),,, and from the get go i just don’t think I can get behind the first part of the theory

like. I don’t think Monet’s heart being intact is any real proof that she’s alive

[tired osprey]

It would make a cool chapter cover story

[polar bison]

yea the shrapnel didn’t stay in the heart, but we don’t actually see what happens between Caesar first stabbing it and that panel where he’s unconscious and the shrapnel is out

[dusky acorn]

Yeah, I don't necessarily think the heart has to be completely destroyed for her to lose her life

[polar bison]

it seems like the reasonable assumption is simply that after he stabbed the heart, he took the shrapnel out before falling unconscious again

[dusky acorn]

Like, wouldn't the internal bleeding just keep going so she'd die out before ever finding/retrieving the heart? Don't think a heart being stabbed is the kind of damage that can just be reversed or healed either

[polar bison]

yeah, exactly. if Steve Irwin couldn’t survive idk why she could

[weak arrow]

Cause manga characters have insane constitution

[polar bison]

the contention is that maybe it was just a glancing hit,,, but that’s not what is really shown. it’s just a stab. directly into the heart. upsetting it enough that it started leaking blood. if ur heart is leaking blood it can’t work right.

[still hound]

Just found out today that Bartolomeo had burned shanks flag in elbaf and put luffy’s flag

[weak arrow]

It’s a random island

[still hound]

In a chapter cover lol

[grizzled fog]

Yea that wasn’t elbaf

[still hound]

Ohh fr I heard them say it was elbaf

[grizzled fog]

Who’s “them”

[eager trout]

elbaf is the island of those 2 giants

[weak arrow]

Yeah because they want Shanks to have some imaginary connection to elbaf

[still hound]

I forgot but it was today

[weak arrow]

All these tiktoks are just stuff I’ve heard before when will someone make a new, good theory like this Monet one

[polar bison]

yea but like,, constitution doesn’t prevent ur heart from pumping all the blood out of ur body thru the wound from the stabbing. monet should die of blood loss immediately

[weak arrow]

I mean, I would say Luffy should have died of blood loss after being stabbed by Katakuri.

He fought for hours after being stabbed

[sand sail]

He also bled profusely for hours in Impel Down when Ivankov was helping him

[pure raven]

Man he can regenrate his broken teeth by drinking milk

So lets not talk about body constitutiin

[weak arrow]

A stab to the heart is just a more direct view of being injured

It’s like how slashes seemingly do more damages than punches because we see the skin bleed vs not seeing internal damage from a punch

[polar bison]

luffy 1. is objectively built different to most One Piece characters and 2. has never been stabbed in the heart (unless u can prove that croc stabbed him there with the hook in which case fair play)

[weak arrow]

I mean realistically, fighting for a couple hours after having a major wound in your side will kill anyone. But this One piece.

[pure raven]

It was stomach

And he ate meat after that so he healed

[weak arrow]

The damage isn’t as obvious so you’re glancing over it

[polar bison]

im going to refer u back to #1

[weak arrow]

He’s not “built different” he’s the main character is what you mean

[polar bison]

well he’s rubber

[pure raven]

No body built

Like sleep eating fatigue etc

[weak arrow]

The rubber isn’t going to stop his bleeding, especially when g2 is literally the acceleration of his blood

Same can be said for Zoro after thriller bark

No fruit to help him there

[pure raven]

Shonen logic
You will have to go beyond time and space to understand it

[grizzled fog]

Tbf after that ordeal he collapsed and got immediate medical attention

[weak arrow]

Tbf we don’t know how long he stood there for

[pure raven]

And his injuries werent healed even during sabody

[weak arrow]

And was attacked by that bubble

[eager trout]

You are forgetting that zoro survived a direct attack of mihawk to the chest

[pure raven]

The dude comparing injuries in manga with real life injuries logicaly

Which is irrational

[eager trout]

One stab in your leg can kill you

[polar bison]

being stabbed in the heart is different from regular blood loss

[eager trout]

In anime it won't

[pure raven]

He never got stabbed in heart

[polar bison]

it’s portrayed differently in story. and irl it’s just fatal

[pure raven]

Post a panel if he did as i dont remember

[eager trout]

In real life any stab can kill

[polar bison]

unless u get immediate immediate medical attention, which Monet didnt.

[weak arrow]

Yeah, because it’s something you can more directly see. Plenty of characters survive impossible situations.

Is monet surviving likely? No. Is it impossible? Also no

[polar bison]

that has nothing to do with it?

[weak arrow]

It does. We have 2 deadly situations but you weigh one above the other because it’s more obvious in nature.

[polar bison]

idk why u think u know why I’m weighing one above the other

[weak arrow]

Because that’s how you’ve spoken about it for the entire discussion.

[polar bison]

you’re failing to comprehend my point then

[vague shuttle]

Did vergo die

[weak arrow]

Being stabbed in the heart and blood loss are both causes of death. Correct?

Luffy and Zoro both survived a high amount of blood loss, which in all fairness should have killed them. Correct?

[polar bison]

which is simply that hearts don’t work with holes in them, unless they get immediate intensive medical attention. and people do not work without working hearts. and Monet’s heart had a hole in it. and she didn’t get immediate medical attention.

blood loss can be fatal irl and has been in OP, but more consistently it hasn’t been, and with eventual medical treatment it can be consistently survived, even in extreme cases like Tiger and FMI Luffy

we have never seen someone survive their heart getting stabbed in OP. we have no reason to assume people can just somehow live without a proper heart in OP. and that’s not how oda portrayed the general stakes of getting a heart stabbed, or the specific time of it happening to Monet

[pastel summit]

we've never seen anyone get their heart stabbed besides monet.

[polar bison]

it’s pretty convenient for my argument yea

[pastel summit]

we've seen dumb shit like doffy using his fruit to heal himself.

[polar bison]

i’d guess because if they did. they’d die the same way she did LOL

[weak arrow]

Basically it all boils down to, people in One Piece have insane constitution and can survive extreme blows, even without treatment in some cases.

Take Monet, maybe she used her devil fruit to slow down her heart beat and due her devil fruit, can live like that.

There’s really any bullshit you can come up with really.

[dusky acorn]

It's just about it being a vital organ compared to other areas that characters have been hit.

For ex, if Monet was stabbed through the temple (not even taking Law's fruit into account here), I'd say that's a deadly blow too. A brain being damaged like that isn't something you can easily heal, it's pretty permanent afaik, just like a heart

[weak arrow]

Maybe because she can turn her entire being into snow, she can control how her snow blood goes through her snow heart and her snow blood vessels

[dusky acorn]

But I agree that Oda could write Monet being alive anyway without even an explanation and it wouldn't ruin the entire story.
We had Pound come back alive and we're still reading week to week after all

As much as we're arguing against it, it's whatever is going to be written will be written at the end of the day

[weak arrow]

Yasu really is the only for sure death I’d say, but Monet/Pedro would be behind him

[vague shuttle]

Didn't Enel take a direct blow to his heart and survive?

If your argument for her being dead is based on actual medical science i think ur reading the wrong story.

That said I think she's dead

[grizzled fog]

Enel did actually die

[vague shuttle]

So did brook

[grizzled fog]

Yea? Both died and came back through devil fruit shenanigans

[vague shuttle]

Well there u go

Monet could come back too i mean why not.

[grizzled fog]

Oda can make up whatever shit he wants to justify it, but logically no monet is dead

[hollow grotto]

As of now, it's safe to assume she died

[weak arrow]

Clearly you didn’t read what I wrote

Also i headcanon enel as not being brain dead, just that his heart stopped beating.

[polar bison]

absolutely. oda could do what he wants,,, but as far as the theory goes, it starts with the contention that Monet is almost definitely alive bc of how the shrapnel is shown. and I just don’t think that’s the case

[dusky acorn]

Yeah, that's a problem theories can tend to have, talking in absolutes instead of sticking to "coulds" or "mays". But hey, I'm probably guilty of it too

Also don't think the heart squishing priorly showcased was a proper equivalency to the heart being stabbed to actually start internal bleeding that the author used either, which segues into how they went about doing their rebuttals, but I didn't want to get too deep into that

[dark junco]

Who do u guys think zoros father is

[pure raven]

So there is 3 road poneglyphs so far
1 in Zou, 1 in Big Mom, 1 in Wano
So where is the last one ?

[dark junco]

The revolutionary army might have it or the government

[pure raven]

If the revolutionary army has it, then Dragon probably will just meet Luffy after he defeats Kaido & Big Mom

[desert crater]

robin thicc

[pastel summit]

It was in FMI, but it's been moved. we don't know by who. Either someone who has connections to FMI, so a lot of people predict WB moved it, since FMI was his territory, or BB could've stolen it after WB died since he was familiar with WB territory. Doubt it was the govt or revos.

[weak arrow]

Add on Shanks as a possibility because he was apart of Roger’s crew when they discovered the poneglyph on FMI.

So yeah, we have a lot of options currently, but wb or bb I see as the best segue.

[pastel summit]

sure. Shanks is a possibility, just don't understand why. Unless he also aspires to become PK? Or he immediately went after it when WB died?

[hollow grotto]

Maybe he took one of the Poneglyphs to hide it away from Blackbeard?

[weak arrow]

A lot of people like to think of Shanks as a gatekeeper, and this idea has sort of been supported by his meeting with the gorosei. Him keeping a poneglyph under wraps would thus gatekeep people from Laugh Tale. Maybe he knows that the person that needs to go there is Joyboy, thus has been protecting the poneglyph until someone who is “worthy” comes to challenge him for it.

The main issue is why they would meet up with Shanks, unless this whole Barto thing really somehow starts a full out war and Luffy invaded whatever shanks’ home base is.

[hollow grotto]

Shanks knows how much of a threat BB is and has made warnings to people like WB not to underestimate him. And we've seen as a result of that underestimation that he has taken full advantage of every situation, abusing his power as a Warlord and subsequently sneaking his way up the ranks of the pirate world. Somebody like Shanks would most definitely want to act as a gatekeeper to stop a power like BB from attaining the One Piece

[weak arrow]

While Marco could segue our way to the 4th one if WB is involved in its disappearance, and if it’s BB, it’s natural we’ll face him anyway, it just wouldn’t be in laugh tale like a lot of fans want it to be. Lode Star would be a fine location anyway.

I’m fine with any option really.

[sacred hawk]

Has anyone pointed out how fitting the matchups are for Inuarashi vs Jack and Nekomamushi vs. Perospero?

[weak arrow]

WB option would actually give us a reason as to why Weevil was introduced into the story, at least

[sacred hawk]

Both of the kings are up against the scourge of the minks

[strong latch]

What are yall talking about

[polar bison]

it’s not even the certainty to me, it’s the specific argument. like this idea that bc it was maybe only a glancing blow and we later see the heart intact, that that is hard evidence she’s alive, doesn’t work for me, logically. it was still enough that it pierced the heart, and I don’t think there’s any reason why the heart being intact besides the piercing we saw on screen would indicate in any way she’s not dead from it.

I do not believe that this is a valid argument.

that’s not to say I think Monet’s definitively dead and the theory should be wholly written off, because there’s certainly merit to @weak arrow’s argument that OP wounds are usually less fatal than irl wounds... but - as far as I know - we don’t really have any examples in story that would indicate you can survive without a properly functioning heart, or medical treatment to return it to functioning use. so like.

there’s no real basis in story to believe that Monet could survive this. oda seems to respect the vitality of the heart as an organ, and i think the only possible counter to this is Law’s two uses of gamma knife, maybe?

it’s possible, but like so is Pedro being alive as Adam said, and i’m still comfortable writing that one off.

,,,

[grizzled fog]

I wouldn’t say both uses of gamma knife are possible counters considering the one of Doffy definitely didn’t hit the heart (unless doffy’s heart is in his stomach) and I think it’s fair to say it’s very unlikely that law hit the heart

[polar bison]

meant to respond to this

[polar bison]

yea Doffy’s probs isn’t, especially since he was able stitch the wounds up.

but i’ve argued in the past that the scene is portrayed in a way that suggests Law did hit Kaidou’s heart, and it’d be disingenuous if I didn’t acknowledge that

[grizzled fog]

Yea I think it’s safe to say this didn’t hit doffy’s heart. You already know my opinion on the kaido gk and I think it’s obvious it didn’t so I won’t bother.

[polar bison]

character makes confident assertion
assertion is never brought up again/suggested to be wrong by either characters or author

so ofc imo probably he hit kaidou’s heart, but even if that’s the case, there’s a question of how dragon hearts work, and how much Kaidou’s insane regeneration/durability would have an effect on an attack like that, and how the gamma knife actually impacts vital organs relative to just a normal good ol stabbing.

it’s kind of a wash. but theoretically could point to OP characters having,,, tanky hearts. but like if that’s the best u can do idk

[pure raven]

Is kaido human ?
Or some other race as those horns he have

[polar bison]

he’s human

[pure raven]

Stated by oda?

[grizzled fog]

I really don’t want to get into this, but I honestly can’t see the angle where you’d possible say law was confident Khione

[polar bison]

im confident in things im not 100% sure about all the time.

[grizzled fog]

Nah, but we have no real reason to believe he’s not human, horns don’t mean much and humans can have them, so other than that it’s just his size that’s weird, and big mom exists and she’s human soo

!horns for reference

[lone hedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/486983010025996299/703457603887300608/unknown.png

[polar bison]

it’s kinda how confidence vibes. law admits he doesn’t know 100%, but he’s still 100% confident in his decision

and we aren’t given any reason - unless u think gamma knife should’ve been fatal - to believe he missed

[pure raven]

So horns are common

[dusky acorn]

it was still enough that it pierced the heart, and I don’t think there’s any reason why the heart being intact besides the piercing we saw on screen would indicate in any way she’s not dead from it.

Yep, the heart being shown afterwards doesn't mean much. Something I didn't see anyone mentin yet btw is how albeit Caesar did pass out, well into piercing of the heart Caesar already started laughing, as if he already knew the deed was good and done. I find it hard to believe he'd just have passed out before knowing he'd done enough. Caesar might be a goofball at times, but I'm pretty sure he was certain the deed was done before sleeping. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/777318525735403551/841163819602149407/unknown.png

It's also very telling what Oda was going for there by having Monet's heart be stabbed in the very same chapter Vergo was also kicking the bucket. As you say, the importance of a heart has been highlighted numerous times throughout the series, it's most definitely a vital organ IRL and in-story alike.

that’s not to say I think Monet’s definitively dead and the theory should be wholly written off
And yeah, not definitively, just very, very dead until proven otherwise. once the series ends we can shut the case 100%

Yeah, horns are common as we see all over Kaidos crew

[pure raven]

Kaido also said that laws ability bug hime
Maybe he injured him or smth

[grizzled fog]

It bugs him because having almost all your attacks being internally damaging and being capable of teleporting around as you please is VERY tricky

[obsidian tusk]

Yo have y'all heard the reverse Sabaody theory for Wano?

[pseudo citrus]

yeah it's been discussed... seems reasonable, could definitely see "Cat Burglar Nami" for the next chapter name too

[obsidian tusk]

Look out for Neko, that means cat in Japanese, and knowing Wano sometimes they like to keep the romanized names

[dusky acorn]

The reverse Sabaody theory already broke back in 1009. It was hinging on that chapter being a dedicated Nami chapter with her name as the title

[obsidian tusk]

Well, Nami can still get her Chapter

We just won't get a set number of Chapters between each one of their own Chapters, why did hers have to be 1009?

[dusky acorn]

Because the pattern people were presenting was that ever since 1004, the chapter titles were dedicated to a prominent ally, and then a Straw Hat. (Ally/SH/Ally/SH/Ally/SH)

1004 - "Millet Dumplings"/Otama
1005 - "Demon Child"/Robin
1006 - "Hyogoro the Flower"
1007 - "Mr. Raccoon Dog"
1008 - "Ashura Doji"

If Nami ever gets a dedicated chapter now, it'd abide by the Reverse Sabaody order I guess.. but it'd just be an arbitrary number in between chapters at this point

[pure raven]

yeah and that's irrelevant

[dusky acorn]

Well we'll see. I already think the theory has hit a dead end but all we need is for a Straw Hat other than Nami to leapfrog over her in Chapter Title deconfirm it on all accounts.

Well actually, that basically already happened.Chapter 1010 was titled "Colour of the Supreme King", and it very relevant for Zoro/Luffy. It was basically called that for them and their respective Conqeuror showings

[pure raven]

that's obvious stretching

the title is not the character, as in "Demon Child" or "Tanuki-san", which are the character, not about the character

[dusky acorn]

I don't think it's stretching, those two were pretty clearly the stars of the chapter

[pastel summit]

someone tends to be the star of every chapter.

[dusky acorn]

The conquerors for the chapter was more relevant for Zoro/Luffy than it was for Kaido

[pure raven]

that's not what the theory is about

the theory is about the chapter title being the character, or a title of the character

[pastel summit]

I mean, ch. 1005 was more relevant to Sanji than it was robin.

[dusky acorn]

Then how come people were using Millet Dumplings for Tama to represent the pattern lol

[pure raven]

Tama is irrelevant

that pattern is also irrelevant

[obsidian tusk]

Ya, I think it can work at whatever pace Oda wants it to

[snow herald]

If the lurking legend hasn't been revealed yet, I hope it's Gaban and he assists in a major way. And later at the end of the arc he trains some of the strawhats

[pastel summit]

[tribal salmon]

Will Kidd die in wano

[cerulean apex]

I unironically think Vivi is Uranus. Does that make me retarded?

[zinc iris]

Maybe

Depends on why do you think that's the case

Arthur Piece is very wrong about that part

[cerulean apex]

I mean, we've seen the weather sour along with her mood.

More than once.

[zinc iris]

I don't recall

[pastel summit]

when have we ever seen this?

[sonic junco]

Yea I'm curious too. When did that happen .

[cerulean apex]

Chapter 130. Vivi is upset about the events unfolding in Alabasta.

At the next page, Nami notices a difference in the weather.

Then, this.

Then again, this is the Grand Line we're talking about. Shit happens.

[pastel summit]

That's a huge reach to say Vivi caused that.

[cerulean apex]

That's all I need.

[hidden tinsel]

Interesante

[tacit veldt]

It also happens when she's shouting for people to stop fighting over the clock tower doesn't It?

It's a little suspect how It starts raining all of a sudden, but then again It could Just be for dramatic effect

[tropic cape]

Wouldn’t the scene between Luffy and her be a trigger as well then?

[pastel summit]

There's a bunch of different reasons for the rain at the end.

1. Crocodile could've been passively manipulating the sand to dry out the clouds so they'd never rain, so when he was defeated, it began to rain again
2. Smoker captured the ship with the rain powder on it, and may have used it to benefit the country even if it was illegal
3. dramatic effect because the rain symbolises the end of the war (which was also symbolised by crocodile's defeat, which basically ties into reason 1, that crocodile was the reason for no rainfall, and also the reason why it fell again)

"Vivi was being emotional" is probably reason 50. There about 46 different reasons I haven't even thought of yet that make more sense.

[cerulean apex]

4. 

[zinc iris]

Crocodile was using the powder to prevent rain from happening on the country to cause unrest
Only in his casino city there was rain

[mossy dock]

Is the kidd dying thing just based off of chapter 1012 cover page with 99%?

[pure raven]

Probably. One can't really know symbols have meaning until the event they could be foreshadowing happens, but it's still fun to speculate

[solar steppe]

next chapter will be another SH Aliiance chapter , should be the beginning of each encounter fight , we got Nami first , next should be Zoro or Sanji arriving at the live stage

[feral yoke]

I think Zoro will stick to the side lines for a few chaps

[pure raven]

I think whoever healed the scabbards will heal Zoro aswell and we will get that persons introduction

[pastel summit]

Zoro isn't gonna do anything more. He's done enough. There's no room for healing rn. Orochi has burned the mansion, and everywhere that was safe is now occupied by fighting. All 3 doctors are engaged in their own fights right now. Not to mention, none of them can instantly heal Zoro to the point where he could fight anyway.

[olive mantle]

Sanji’s time to shine 🦵

[cerulean apex]

God, I hope so.

[polar bison]

Caesar also presumedly has a high level of medical knowledge, given that his experiments have primarily dealt with manipulating the human body. so him thinking that stabbing the heart of even a strong logia like smoker would kill him is a pretty solid indication that it would’ve. and as such would also indicate that it should have been enough to kill someone like Monet as well

[zinc iris]

I think pedro died because the plot needed him to

[polar bison]

idk what u really mean by that

[zinc iris]

i mean that survivability of a blow is almost irrelevant

oda kills characters when he really needs them to be dead

[tawdry bramble]

And the only reason he needed to be dead was to fuel carrot to be a strawhat

[zinc iris]

or in general affect her character

[polar bison]

there’s more to pedro’s death than just carrot character development

[zinc iris]

point being the plot so far really requires pedro to be dead

[polar bison]

but yea I get what u mean Entry

that’s not rlly what the Monet theory argues though, which was my issue w it

[zinc iris]

while for example pound actually dying doesn't define any of the characters during WCI

yeah monet dying is mostly inconsequential, so she might have survived

vergo too for similar reason

[polar bison]

like if it just sat down and said “we’ve seen characters survive shit that should’ve been mortal time and again because Oda hates killing them” i’d be much happier with that than “,,,, the knife stabbed the heart but it didn’t stab it good enough, which we can tell bc the heart hasn’t exploded, and therefore Monet’s alive”

[zinc iris]

well yes there is also the matter that one piece mostly runs on bullshit and therefore any phenomena can happen if it serves the larger narrative

we had pell survive a point blank nuke so is a heart stab strictly worse?

I'm erring on monet being dead mostly because I don't see an use oda might have for her

so he will leave her at that, and therefore might as well be dead

[polar bison]

in the context of the story rules yea

[zinc iris]

and tbh the argument that it would negate the emotion of the moment (that showed monet's undying loyalty do doflamingo) doesn't even apply to this show as Oda reverted apparent deaths that were meant to be tearjerkesrs (e.g. pell, pound)

[polar bison]

which is why I didn’t make that argument, though I think her closing thoughts showing her undying loyalty to Doffy is definitely hard to reconcile w her being a future SH, but that’s partially on me not having finished the theory yet

[zinc iris]

oh lol I didn't even get to that

Monet will never be a straw hat, she was too plain evil

she experimented on children with caesar, as if any other crewmember would sit by that, especially chopper or nami

[worldly anvil]

I used to remember there was theories of Monet being a strawhat

[polar bison]

there’s definitely some weird stuff with Monet, like her saying Joker would kill her despite Joker saying he doesn’t punish failure. not sure if this is just Oda not having fully developed the Doffy family vibes yet back in 670ish, or Monet actually not being a true family member like the rest. hard to say

and the theory tries really hard to paint her actions - even w the children - in a somewhat sympathetic light,,, but it’s all kind of reaching interpretations

[zinc iris]

I chalk it up to the family dinamic not yet being solidified in the lore

[worldly anvil]

hmm, monet was away from Doflamingo for a while

[zinc iris]

because no way monet wasn't part of the family, she even was in the flashback

[polar bison]

and tbf they make a good point that it was really hard to find sympathetic vibes in Robin for most of Alabasta

[zinc iris]

you can rework robin as having pretended to be an enemy to not tip crocodile off

which is what the story ran with in the end

[worldly anvil]

Did Sugar even care about Monet death? I can't remember

[polar bison]

even then she’s participating in helping him tear down a country just for the sake of her own survival + getting access to a poneglyph

[zinc iris]

but monet 100% was a willing collaborator of caesar in drugging children

[zinc iris]

and she actually didn't kill igaram, tried to help the SHs get to alabasta faster, saved luffy, and then tried to stab Croc as soon as she had the chance

really robin was actually sabotaging him all the time instead of participating

[cerulean apex]

We don't even know if she's heard about Monet's death.

[worldly anvil]

Hmm, so either Doflamingo didn't tell her or Sugar just didn't give a shit about her

[zinc iris]

monet was helping doflamingo because she thought he was awesome
it doesn't compare at all with robin

[polar bison]

though most of this only became clear near the end. like until the last few chapters of Alabasta, we thought Igaram was dead and the Alabasta Eternal Pose was just a ruse. it wasn’t until she saved Luffy that we had any indication of other motives

[zinc iris]

Sugar might just legit thought she died as a hero

[polar bison]

but still, end of the day, Monet’s been a true Doffy family member as far as we know, up to and including doing horrific things to children and others, and having no issue betraying people she’s spent significant time with (Riku family). and her sister was shown to be just as sociopathic as she seems,,, there just doesn’t seem to be much realistic room to make her a character moral enough for the strawhats

[zinc iris]

the gig was up as soon as igaram turned up unschated

[polar bison]

maybe if the backstory revealed during dressrosa had been different but all we got of her was her betraying more people

[worldly anvil]

Honestly all of the Doflamingo family was fucked up

[polar bison]

wasnt that after she saved luffy

[zinc iris]

oh right

well so saving luffy was already unexplainable if she wasn't secretely on their side

anyway monet was always legit bad from beginning to end

and the children part was the irreconciliable deed

[pastel summit]

mild sabotage though. She spared Igaram, but did nothing to stop the actual war, which she knew was fake. Given her backstory, it's definitely... odd, for her to actively participate in the destruction of a country in order for someone to find the weapon.

[zinc iris]

more like she didn't do anything either way

because she was unable to stop croc and she knew it

covert sabotage was the best she could do

[pastel summit]

covert sabotage, she could've told cobra crocodile stole the rain years before.

what she did actively proves why the WG wanted her dead in the first place. Like I get she was out of leads on finding poneglyphs and stuff but still

[cerulean apex]

Desperation does that to people.

[zinc iris]

cobra was being monitored and would not have trusted a world class criminal

also an even earlier indication something was up is that she deliberately never reported about Vivi or the Straw hats to the rest of the baroque works or croc himself, who was in fact unaware they even got past little garden at all

[polar bison]

well it was more that the WG drove her to such lengths, right? Robin would’ve been wholly content to live a quiet life - like Aokiji suggested - but the gov kept hunting her down and forcing her to seek out more and more dangerous company out of hopes that they’d finally be the ones to keep her safe and not betray her. they pushed her right towards Croc’s arms

[zinc iris]

yep

[pastel summit]

yeah that's true as well

[zinc iris]

basically the only ones she could seek refuge to and didn't exploit her have been the straw hats and the revos

[zinc iris]

(and even with the revos, they sought her only because she was highly useful to their cause, but at least they were treating her well and their goals aren't nefarious)

[neat sky]

yall this is a theory i thought of

it abt zoros sword
geko moria and kaido fought.
i am assuming that moria at that time also had his df
soo maybe he stole ryumas corpse at that time and maybe thats how that sword ended up in thriller bark

[grizzled fog]

That’s pretty much exactly what happened yea

[zinc iris]

yes this is indeed what has happened, when he fought kaido in wano ryuma's grave was robbed with the clear implication it was Moriah's doing

[neat sky]

but i hav sum doubts

i was told that ryumas body had already rotted away

[grizzled fog]

It had partially rotted naturally

[neat sky]

soo i gues thats not right

since it would just become bones

[grizzled fog]

It wasn’t totally bones, Ryuma was buried in Ringo, so the cold helped preserve his body, also Hogback fixed the body up

[neat sky]

or the wano people loved him and they mumified him ?

[neat sky]

or in other words some sort of mumifying

[weary cliff]

Ringo is the winter region, it just takes longer to decompose

[pastel summit]

yeah. same thing happened with Oars. His body didn't decompose 'cause he died in a winter island.

[polar bison]

also people on Mount Everest irl:)

[thick sky]

Yeah

[warm elk]

lol

[neat sky]

oooh it makes sense

[zinc iris]

however the whole grave robbing is funny because in japan is not customary to bury the dead (they are cremated instead) and they find the thing very weird, so it's almost uncharacteristic that in wano ryuma was buried whole

[amber oar]

well, Wano is based in feudal Japan but not every single aspect of it has to be the same

Also Oda needed the corpse to be intact

[neat sky]

its op. who knows

[zinc iris]

well it's odd for wano specifically, in other places in the op world it would just reflect their western-like nature, but wano is explicitly based on japan

[neat sky]

it is. buut not evry thing i guess. maybe ryuma was so important that they just buried it whole

[pastel summit]

https://www.reddit.com/r/history/comments/a6029t/what_happened_to_a_dead_samurais_sword/ this timing pretty much exactly coincides with the details given on samurai burial in wano.

[lunar shell]

Wait. Does that mean Tama is Buddha ?

[pastel summit]

for reference, the dude in oden flashback was cremated. I think there may be a specific thing for samurai.

[neat sky]

lol

[pastel summit]

but idk. so I'm trying to look.

it's really hard trying to find stuff on burial/after death procedures. just stuff on "honourable death"

[zinc iris]

well that ryuma's sword was left in his tomb is not that controversial, it's more the part where the body was left intact and buried instead of being cremated

[pastel summit]

yeah. I just don't know if there's some specific thing for samurai. because like I said, the dude in Oden's flashback (when we first see Oden) was being cremated. So it's not like it's NOT something that happened. and it was ONLY Samurai who got buried in Ringo.

like maybe something to do with leaving the body as is if they died in battle

[cerulean saffron]

is kiku male or female

[weary gulch]

yes

[cerulean saffron]

@weary gulch .....bruhhh.....

[zinc iris]

kiku is a woman

[past river]

She's a transgender woman. Oda refers to her with female pronouns.

[cerulean saffron]

same with izo?

[zinc iris]

^ this

[zinc iris]

it doesn't seem so for Izo instead

[past river]

As far as we know Izo is just a sorta feminine looking man.

[zinc iris]

Izo just uses feminine clothes and lipstick as a fashion choice but still identifies as male so far

[cerulean saffron]

also i swear i saw zolo use foxfire style at some point is that a thing any good swordsman can learn

[zinc iris]

yes it's a technique and zoro learned to use it

[past river]

It's a technique like any other not tied to any special ability like a df that kinemon has so yeah, anyone can

[cerulean saffron]

is that hum luffy use fire in some of his attacks

• sanji freakish legs

[zinc iris]

that is mostly meant to be an exaggerated use of friction

[past river]

We don't really get any explanation for that so the fandom just assumes it's cause they're creating enough heat via friction to create flames. I wouldn't think too hard about it

[zinc iris]

thing goes so fast it catches fire basically

it was more explicit pre-TS where Sanji had to repeatedly spin to turn his leg incadescent

[cerulean saffron]

i could ask one piece questions all day. if oda dies b4 it ends my life will acc be ruined and if luffy dont become king the pirates than again my life will be ruined

[zinc iris]

Oda has some contingencies for that

like some editors are informed of the actual full story

[cerulean saffron]

wwwhhhaaaaaaaaat?

so there is a defined ending

[weary gulch]

?

[cerulean saffron]

my friend had a theory that one piece may never end cuz its basically an anime with infinite potential

[weary gulch]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[zinc iris]

well you can always add stuff in the middle if you want to, but there is a clear main plot with a definite ending

[lunar shell]

Zoro said something about " suffering " something like "on the way of the warrior suffering is inevitable" something like that

[weary gulch]

ok

[lunar shell]

if someone know...

[zinc iris]

oda has already decided what the one piece is, how to get there and what happens when found

[dense wing]

Oda supposedly has the same ending in mind since day 1

[weary gulch]

he also decided that there will be more than 2k episodes (sorry for my english)

[zinc iris]

lol that was unplanned

[weary gulch]

yeah

[zinc iris]

like he sometimes regrets choosing the warlords to be 7 as that ballooned the story a lot

[dense wing]

Croc introduced too early etc

[zinc iris]

nah he was not too early

however having 7 storylines made everything more long for sure

[pseudo citrus]

is there any explanation for Ms Golden Week's power? I'd like to understand that before I try to explain Foxfire

[zinc iris]

Hypnosis

[scarlet urchin]

That makes even less sense than magic color

[zinc iris]

That's what Oda answered when asked if she had a DF, that instead she was actually just drawing hypnotic patterns

And hypnosis in one piece is exaggerated like anything else, just like the stuff Jango could do with it

Could even heal people or make them stronger

[pure raven]

the stuff Vivi does, on the other hand, is pretty normal in comparison

maybe Vivi could be better with hypnosis the next time we see her

[scarlet urchin]

He doesn't even see the paint

[pure raven]

do you have manga of that

[vital pilot]

Ya think fight club thing is going on one piece certain character.

[pure raven]

There is a possibility Big Mom might flee, and kidnapped Robin back to Totto land after Luffy defeated Kaido. Because Katakuri asked Luffy if he would come back to beat Big Mom

[lunar shell]

Is there ?

Can't fathom it.

[pure raven]

But Luffy told katakuri he would come back to defeat Big Mom

[still hound]

And

[pseudo citrus]

might not even have to come back to do it

[lunar shell]

"would" is the key word here.

[pseudo citrus]

what do people generally think will happen to the big mom pirates if big mom goes down?

[lunar shell]

I believe BM will turn nice.

So nothing.

[zinc iris]

i rather expect that after her defeat she dies/is arrested and therefore there will be a civil war among the big mom pirates about who will lead them in her place
katakuri vs perospero

[pure raven]

Big Mom will be defeated in Wano and Katakuri will take her place

[zinc iris]

i think they will be split between those that are more into the family thing and are with katakuri and the loyalists that are for the supremacy of the empire led by perospero

[vestal rampart]

its so stupid lmao, its like basil hawkins' cards. like how do they work

[pure raven]

there's the theory Hawkins just does whatever the cards tell him too with his straws

[vestal rampart]

also how tf do they float

[pure raven]

straws

[vestal rampart]

oh lmao

[vestal rampart]

ohh

[zinc iris]

i have a little theory they are permanently infused with observation haki by a previous owner like black blades are infused with armament

[vestal rampart]

thats a good theory

[zinc iris]

and the same applies for shiarly's crystal ball

[scarlet urchin]

At least fate is a developed concept, seeing how it's actually possible to read the future

[zinc iris]

as I think it's implied she could not see the future without it

[scarlet urchin]

So you think sea kings are basically observation haki monsters?

For the crystal ball it's possible

[zinc iris]

i think the sea kings were just told by someone
like the previous poseidon

[grizzled fog]

When he said that he wasn’t expecting her to follow him to wano

[vestal rampart]

bruh we prob wont know the answer to these 2 bets for a few months lmao

[grizzled fog]

And we don’t need an arc where we return to totto land to rescue robin, seems like a contest to see how many old plots and settings can be recycled

[polar bison]

we def def don’t need to go back to Totto Land

but that doesn’t preclude Luffy from taking down bm (or helping at least) in a subsequent arc

[desert sedge]

The only thing i can think of that might cause a return to wci is if bigmom betrays kaido and escapes wano with kaido's road poneglyph. That way strawhats will be forced to take it back.

[zinc iris]

i doubt there will be a wci retread

also having another arc with big mom as the enemy might be too much

[vestal rampart]

lmao why would we

[scarlet urchin]

Is there any theory that explains the connection beast pirates have with the specific card games their names come from?

[polar bison]

I mean I think if any character in OP makes sense to get 3 arcs where they’re a primary villain, it’d be one of the Yonkou, especially since neither WCI or Wano were explicitly about taking her down (u can argue Onigashima’s become abt her as well but that’s hard to say)

[zinc iris]

3 in a row tho?

it's like having 3 arcs in a row fighting the Navy even if they are an endgame enemy that is bound to be encountered across the whole story

[scarlet urchin]

She could be used to hype characters like the giants of elbaf, at least. That would give us a sense of power scale

[valid tree]

What do you think can luffy beat kaido 1 vs 1 ?

[zinc iris]

it should not happen currently

[scarlet urchin]

Maybe... But just like Oden, Luffy will be distracted by the fake momonosuke carried by Yamato, and loose because of it......

[zinc iris]

to elaborate more

[zinc iris]

if luffy were to beat kaido 1v1 now he would be the canonically strongest person in the world at this point of the story and could just stroll in marineford and kick sakazuki in the face without great effort

with the fact that it's mentioned kaido is unbeatable in 1v1 period, the general expectations is that kaido will be defeated by a team effort

but right now everyone split up so the fuck I know

[lofty fossil]

since where getting so close to the end of the main series i think it would be fine if luffy could be him since he still wouldnt be able to beat all of the admirals and thats kinda what i am expecting after wano rn

[vestal rampart]

i hope we get a good dump of info abt Rocks sometime soon

and learn more abt CoC and all of that very soon

[lofty fossil]

yeah they might have a flashback to it if garp gets to fight maybe but i dont really know

[vestal rampart]

i hope that the oden flashbacks also weren't all we will see abt Roger. I wanna see the god valley incidint and other parts of the story

[lofty fossil]

we might see it whenever we reach laugh tale

like maybe he left a log book like oden did

[vestal rampart]

[grizzled fog]

A thought occurred, do we know if a single one of big mom’s kids inherited her naturally tough skin? I had a thought that maybe compote did, she seems to be very similar to mama

[pseudo citrus]

I like this theory, luffy would think that was the real momo

[supple nimbus]

I thought her tough skin was a coating of CoC?

[cyan berry]

No she's just naturally tough, she's been called a freak of nature multiple times

Even as a child her skin was incredibly strong

[worthy belfry]

kaido crew is disappointing , big mom crew is much better

[scarlet urchin]

What? You don't like batman?

[cyan berry]

Why's that smarty

[worthy belfry]

arlong=hody jones
crocodile=doflamingo
moria=bigmom
lucci=kaido

[scarlet urchin]

That's not how you explain your point of view

[cyan berry]

i think he just switched topics

but anyway that's wrong

arlong and hody are fundamentally different characters

[zinc iris]

hype for new world enel

[cyan berry]

nami in 2 arcs

[zinc iris]

nami turns evil?

[worthy belfry]

why

shanks is evil

[cyan berry]

will you ever explain the reasoning behind your theories or nah

it is sort of a requirement here

[cedar sinew]

those don't sound like theories anyway

so you should just move to a manga channel

[cyan berry]

giving him the benefit of a doubt here

[scarlet urchin]

Since I saw these tiny flying boats made for the fire festival, I started hoping we would see Enel's army of Automatons descending to Onigashima 😔

[worthy belfry]

enel could oneshot kaido ??? maybe

[scarlet urchin]

N-no...
Anyway... There is this tradition of mechanized puppets in Japan since the 17th century.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karakuri_puppet

[worthy belfry]

thats cute and scary at same time

[worthy belfry]

whats the national treasure?

1. a future telling device( by morj)
2. joy boy corpse / maybe alive too
   any other theory?

[zinc iris]

the big straw hat in the cold storage

[scarlet urchin]

It's not a straw hat.....

[worthy belfry]

maybe not ,doffy said it can shake the world, does a big strawhat can shake the world?

[worthy belfry]

well im sama could be a alien

nice theory national treasure could be im sama alien ship

[zinc iris]

the disclosure of what it is could shake the world

because of the reaction of the world

[worthy belfry]

people already know giants exists

[zinc iris]

if it became public that the national treasure of the WG is an heirloom identical to those that belonged to the infamous pirate king gol d roger, the current yonko shanks and now the rising menace monkey d luffy
it would be extremely awkward

[worthy belfry]

certainly d clan were original members of ancient kingdom

[zinc iris]

so it turns out the D have a claim to the throne?
definitely something the celestial dragons don't want to become known

in the end they keep the national treasure secret not because of some functional property it has, but because of what it stands for, its symbolic value

[scarlet urchin]

But why not destroy it if it's just a symbol?

[worthy belfry]

you meant ,joyboy was original king , im sama seized power from him

well joy boy may have been good king , im sama respected him hence keep his momento

[zinc iris]

because it's an important item to them and they don't want to get rid of it

it's like that embarrassing heirloom you still want to keep around for sentimental value