manga-theories

[night glacier]

Also true

[random timber]

I saw a theory where Crocodile is using a pseudo name because all other shichibukai have the animal in their names and animal features. However, Crocodile only having a pet sidekick crocodile that is all there is to it.

Any additional opinions?

Animal featured somewhere on their clothing/accessories*

[dense wing]

I'm trying to think of something related to Geckos for Moria, but yeah we have "Hawk eyes" Mihawk, Croc's pet, Doflamingo's flamingo outfit and Boa obviously snakes

[zinc iris]

I don't think it has to be that way, most characters names in one piece are just happy coincidence

it's not like perospero got his name after eating the DF that gave him a giant tongue

[zinc iris]

gekKO MORIah
komori means bat

[thick sky]

They rested for two days and on the tthird day, marines started going after them

[upbeat wasp]

the more I think of it. I don't get how BB going be on luffy level. because with what we learn about Law DF with kaido. that mean BB DF would likely fail on BM and Kaido because of the Haki levels and WB only lost because he was sick and couldn't use haki like in the past. NOW if BB can suck haki out of people that a OP awaking and I can see that messing with luffy and shanks.

[grizzled fog]

Law’s devil fruit is a special case, we’ve got no real reason to believe BB’s fruit would just be blocked by haki like that

[random timber]

Boa has snake earrings

Kuma bear paw marks on his clothes

[thick sky]

What I find difficult to digest is Law's powers enabled him to cut seastone but kaido's and bigmom's haki made his switching power worthless

[upbeat wasp]

Yeah, but with how haki work so far. seem like the main reason (that we know of so far that it suck other DF and suck out of dead body and fruit ) BB got the DF seem a bit unless when it come to powerful haki users.

[upbeat wasp]

as long he not touching it have can cut it. He can cut the sea in half if he wanted

Kaido and BM are living people with powerful will and haki so I can see it not working on someone that more powerful then law.

like when law cut the full armor haki guy he had to use ALL his power just to cut him.

[weak arrow]

Blackbeard would have difficulty grabbing Luffy to negate this devil fruit due to haki and the invisible armor it would create, but it still has the utility to draw Luffy towards him or to throw Luffy off his balance with the pulling ability. Then we have the gura gura which is one of the strongest fruits in the series.

[zinc iris]

BB's grab is not an hax ability

because it's not an auto win by touch

so there is little reason for haki to resist it
rather it might mean that people just need to git gud with their not df abilities to face him

[nimble hinge]

I actually think BB will be able to nullify DFs even if the other user has haki

[zinc iris]

good thing luffy is pretty strong outside of his rubber powers too

and with coc coating can attempt to hit BB without actually making contact

[weak arrow]

If you have an invisible armor, Blackbeard would not be directly touching you, but the armor instead. Thus the power would remain intact. If you think he can basically seep his darkness through the haki, then I guess that’s a different discussion.

[zinc iris]

i mean that luffy using the coc coating might be able to hit BB without losing the rubber powers

because he's not touching him

[weak arrow]

I mean that’s true too, but making direct contact with him doesn’t negate the power

At least prets anyways

Maybe he’s somehow made it stronger so just touching him negates DF abilities

[zinc iris]

well yeas bb touching doesn't always negate, but it seems that making contact is a requirement for his power nullfication
so if luffy manages to not make contact BB can't use at all his negating power

[upbeat wasp]

Yeah, even BB made a big deal that touching is a requirement when fighting others and even touching the attack stop it

[sand sail]

The only requirement is that he's grabbing you with his hands specifically

If you're just touching him, you're fine

He has to touch you in other words, if you're just smacking him you're not losing anything at all

Which should not be how his fruit works, but otherwise he'd be a little too busted

[nimble hinge]

Guess it depends on how OP Oda makes his ability. If haki can flow around you and manifest physically, how far is Oda willing to go with BB being able to absorb everything.

[gloomy canyon]

His vortex also works on everything, only way to really counter it it seems is to attack him while you're being sucked in like Ace did

[nimble hinge]

Plus, BB hasnt had, nor will he, I expect have a big fight that makes use of his abilities until luffy. So introducing the power to take away DFs only to never use it doesn't sound right

[sand sail]

Most of the Emperors don't actually fight often tho

Whitebeard hadn't had a fight since potentially Roger before Marineford

Plus, I imagine he had a pretty big fight against the Whitebeard commanders tbh

Even if it was a wipe, I'm willing to bet he went all out just to flex as hard as he could

[amber oar]

I mean, technically when he beat and recruited Ace, but probably that wasn't much of a fight

[upbeat wasp]

I still think his awaking is going to be stopping haki because shanks should have no problems with BB, his haki is insane and he use a sword. or BB know how to use Haki and just been playing everyone. XD

[gloomy canyon]

Marco did say that they couldn't overcome him anymore due to him using WB's gura powers

[sand sail]

Shanks would have a lot of problem with Blackbeard

[gloomy canyon]

So I'd assume BB just flexed the gura gura no mi during the payback war

[sand sail]

Yeh exactly, it's also totally just something he'd do to rub it in that it's now his age

[zinc iris]

well he can just grab your fist

[sand sail]

Yeh he could, that's a danger with trying to throw something at him in melee range

[zinc iris]

which however becomes impossible against a CoC attack or parry

[sand sail]

And naturally since his hand is an almost literal black hole, if you're close enough to punch him you can't possibly avoid being grabbed

Hell, if you're standing a few dozen yards away it seems like you can't avoid getting grabbed

[gloomy canyon]

yeah, even when Ace got vortexed the second time and managed to flame spear him, BB still managed to almost break his neck

And Ace was at least 10 meters away or so

[upbeat wasp]

im not a science person but I feel like gura gura not going work on luffy because he rubber. Luffy still going feel it but compare to other with or without haki he can walk it off.

[queen arrow]

i've heard people say that, but by all logic the Gura Gura would be exactly the type of thing that the Gomu Gomu no mi can't handle

[dense wing]

If Oda wants to write it that way he can make it so that a Gura punch doesn’t hurt as much as it should since he’s rubber

The gimmick is BB will have to grab him, negate his fruit, THEN Gura punch

And those will be the critical hits on Luffy

[maiden terrace]

everyone should remember that his touch isn't a sea prism stone which makes df users tired, he just negates the df, luffy can just adv conq punch blackbeard as a country won't be easy but

although what eman has said will most likely happen

[sand sail]

You say that like Blackbeard can't just block that with a gura gura though, lol

[maiden terrace]

yes of course

[dense wing]

I’d like to think the battle against Blackbeard focuses more on Devil Fruit usage than Haki

[maiden terrace]

i hope

[dense wing]

But who knows, CoC coating is so effective

[upbeat wasp]

Been some time since we seen a pure DF battle. like even luffy vs katakuri slowly turn into improving haki vs luffy learning a new way to use his DF.

[ripe yacht]

does anyone know where caribou is right now?

[grizzled fog]

His current location is unknown atm, he may not even be in Onigashima

[dense wing]

He’s somewhere in Wano at the very least

Knowing Caribou he slithered out of Udon and is stealing stuff/harassing women in villages

Maybe if we get a cut to the capital he’s there

[ripe yacht]

yeah, would be nice if he does something😅

[grizzled fog]

I predict whatever he’s doing is involved with the ponegyph somehow, maybe he’s searching for it, maybe he’ll end up giving a rubbing to BB

[pseudo citrus]

he's a candidate for the one rustling in the bushes before the straw hats ran into the onigashima castle

[scarlet urchin]

It felt a bit disappointing that Devil fruits were so secondary against Doflamingo. I always wondered how elasticity could save Luffy if he was turned into a puppet

[sand sail]

Well...it wouldn't lol

[scarlet urchin]

But he could stretch in weird ways and make it very complicated for Doffy

[grizzled fog]

How can he stretch if he isn’t in control of his body

[worthy breach]

if he can extend the length of strings after he tied luffy, possibly he can use his abilities but i've never seen such a thing

i mean doflamingo can create strings however he wants but he should be limited with the length after he bind it's strings to someone else to control it

correct me if i miss sth

[pure raven]

Bbs hand to hand combat skills I think are amateur; he got hit a lot against ace and luffy landed a clean shot in impel down, he is a tank tho but his reflexes and speed are novice at best I think

[queen arrow]

Luffy landed a surprise attack, and Ace is a very strong guy

[zinc iris]

while BB seems to think of Devil Fruits as the best path to power, he definitely has a pretty good durability to make up for the Yami's lack of intangibility, and managed to scar shanks in the face well before getting both fruits

shanks has that scratch since the fist chapter in the past

but he was already pretty strong then

[pure raven]

If he reflexes were top notch he woulda known a surprise attack was coming right? Does bb even have haki

[queen arrow]

him being off-guard doesn't mean his reflexes are bad

[pure raven]

Idk man I still think hand to hand Bb is at a disadvantage

[queen arrow]

there's nothing that indicates that

[wild veldt]

Bb has both obs and armorment

[fathom matrix]

there were ideas that he was actually hiding his true strength, or Teach did some so drastic, that not even Shanks could have prediected it, which caused the scar

Then again, you would have used more of your "true strength" if you were gonna get killed by Whitebeard

[zinc iris]

BB is still in his rising phase

[dire obsidian]

Okay okay so when Oden joined Roger’s crew, Nekomushi and Inurashi snuck on board. Yamato is Oden and Luffy is Roger, obviously. And, Carrot is a mink who’s already snuck on board Luffy’s ship once before

[pure raven]

Carrot is joining

[polar bison]

so is yamato and probably tama too tbh

momo is the vivi of this arc (kin too if he lives)

[dire obsidian]

Tama is too young imo and Momo and Kin are definitely going to stay in Wano, I know Vivi did too but like there’s zero question of whether or not they’d go with the crew or not, they’re staying

I know the entire thing for Tama is like she grew up since she saw Ace but she’s still like very a child and I just don’t see Tama being in the final fight against like Blackbeard’s crew and stuff. Also her fruit either makes her insanely over powered or absolutely useless and there is no middle ground

[polar bison]

I mean Momo and Kin have spent the last 400 chapters (that’s like, most of the time Brook’s spent with the crew) traveling on the Sunny, and they’d be following in Oden’s footsteps. They’ve basically been slightly less important crew members since Punk Hazard. So I think the question, just for these reasons, deserves to be asked. There’s just also a clear answer to it, and it’s that yeah they’re staying.

[dire obsidian]

Yeah but Momo and Kin have too much of a relevance to Wano for it to even be a question, I think. I don’t think it’s as much as Momo and Kin being with the crew as it is just how much build up there’s been for Wano. They haven’t been with the crew for all this time for the fun of it, but rather to set up Wano

[polar bison]

that was the case for Vivi and Alabasta too

the SHs still considered her one of them by the end of it.

[dire obsidian]

I just don’t think the friendship between the straw hats and Kin/Momo have been as strong as Vivi. Also there was an ambiguous question left by Oda as to whether or not Vivi would join, Momo is already confirmed to become the next Shogun and Kin is his father’s follower, there’s no question about whether or not they may join. Regard, Vivi didn’t join either so it’s not really importsnt

[polar bison]

ur the one who chose to continue to argue abt what I said from the beginning was an answered question

[polar bison]

anyway. tama’s in the final fight against kaidou rn tho, and Kaidou’s crew is supposed to be the strongest crew headed by the strongest man in the world. and she’s made herself a prime target, and she’s still doing just fine. I just like,,, don’t think this argument that she’s too weak or young holds up with what Oda’s portrayed. he’s had no problem not only exposing her to danger, but also actually letting her get hurt - she tanked a hit from drunk Kaidou!!! And he’s also gone to show that she’ll survive so long as she’s with the SHs, because even the two physically weakest ones are capable of protecting her

also tama’s fruit is never gonna be OP again, as it’s only relevant against SMILE users and Kaidou’s army is the only large concentration of them. It will, however, remain useful, so long as Oda cares enough to introduce animals into the story for her to tame (speaking of Blackbeard, Stronger for Tama Nakama?) and she also has any ninjutsu techniques she develops on the way to be useful, as well as herself and her own wits. that’s enough for luffy probably. it’s enough for me!

[dire obsidian]

I just think it’d be reaaaally weird to see like a very small child actively fighting big threats head on. I also think it’d be a bit strange thematically to have three crew members join at the exact same time. Yamato will naturally join and Carrot will likely sneak on the ship again, so I don’t think it’d feel natural to have another character join alongside them. There is Tama’s set up with Ace and maybe it’ll happen but I just think it’d be really weird

[polar bison]

why does she have to fight big threats head on

[dire obsidian]

Because it’d be weird to have these big climatic wars like Blackbeard and marines that doesn’t have every straw hat fighting. Wano has every straw hat fighting and that’ll continue to happen

[polar bison]

wano also... has... tama... fighting...

[weak arrow]

Luffy can basically tame every animal with conqueror's and chopper can just talk to animals

[dire obsidian]

I wouldn’t call that fighting

[polar bison]

but she’s there

[dire obsidian]

Marco is there doesn’t mean he’s a straw hat

[polar bison]

why can’t she do something that you wouldn’t call fighting against blackbeard or the marines

[dire obsidian]

Because she is a small child

[polar bison]

that isn’t the argument don’t diverge

why does her being a small child not apply to wano

[dire obsidian]

It’d be super weird to have big scary characters throwing hands with my little sister

[craggy pumice]

but it is what's happening right now

[polar bison]

you’re going in circles with this logic because Wano literally proves you wrong

[dire obsidian]

Tama isn’t really fighting thoooo

[polar bison]

this is so boring jesus christ

[dire obsidian]

She’s there but she’s not like throwing hands

[weak arrow]

and why would she not be able to do that every arc

[dire obsidian]

You don’t have to talk to me bruh we can agree to disagree like it’s not serious

Maybe I’m wrong, but I just wouldn’t feel right seeing Tama join the crew as it is now

[weak arrow]

This channel is for discussing theories and why they are or are not feasible

I don't think Tama will join, but i agree that Khione's right in this particular instance

[polar bison]

^ if you’re not going to put thought into this discussion ur in the wrong channel

currently u are putting zero thought into this discussion.

[dire obsidian]

Bruv it’s discord it’s not that serious this ain’t couples therapy

[polar bison]

it’s not that serious ur right

I want to have fun discussing things

talking to a brick wall isn’t fun

[midnight heron]

how strong are the gorosei?

[craggy pumice]

If we only knew

[midnight heron]

is it reasonable for them to be admiral level?

[polar bison]

yea, probably

Oda has a habit of making old people strong, and unlike the rest of the celestial dragons, they are generally built like fighters

[visual merlin]

each one of them? nah

I figure either Imu or the Gorosei will be strong to some extent, but I find it really unlikely there's 5 people as strong as the admirals laying around

[midnight heron]

what about having broken abilities? Like Telekensis?

[dusky acorn]

If not for the cap wearing Elder having a scar and the cleansing Elder having a sword, I may have had a difficult time seeing them as fighters at all

Even so, they could still have varying strengths, or a couple might be more brains rather than brawn

[visual merlin]

I mean, if one of them has a fruit for this sure, otherwise don't see how that'd be likley

it could be all 5 have broken fruits I suppose

but still don't think I'd bet on that

[midnight heron]

how many chaps we have left? 300+?

[dire obsidian]

I always estimated around 1200-1400 total chapters

[slate zodiac]

I feel like they're weak asf

[wary stratus]

they are not weak af

if they havent been introduced yet

[slate zodiac]

I said I feel like they are

[spark wagon]

ya i i get the same impression. The only thing confusing about it is the one guy has a sword

[slate zodiac]

I feel like imu is the very strong one/ final villain

[spark wagon]

same. unless they're imu's guards and imu's weak, it'd be kind of ridiculous

[grizzled fog]

I’m sure they have some combat ability given their appearances, but I don’t expect them to be admiral level or even in the range of commanders honestly, I can really just see them being around most vice admirals, maybe having mastered rokushiki and such.

So probably 1 shots for luffy by the time he gets there

[spark wagon]

i could see that

[dense wing]

Can't wait to see Im vs Joyboy in the Laughtale flashback to hype up Luffy vs Im

Honestly the more I think about it the more I believe that Im is the final villain, and will be the strongest villain in One Piece

As hype and setup as Blackbeard is

[spark wagon]

ya maybe if they get matched against the revolutionary army commanders they'd put on a show

[grizzled fog]

More and more ridiculous fan theories that people once laughed at are now legitimate

[spark wagon]

well the revolutionaries have to attack the wg eventually or be a bigger let down than division 0 circa bleach lol

[hybrid jewel]

Dont think Tama's gonna join. Shed prolly want to stay in Wano with her grandpa given that hes alone and old.

[dense wing]

I believe Yamato and Carrot are more likely than Tama for Straw Hat yeah

[hybrid jewel]

Also she had that promise with Ace that they were going to make the land of Wano bountiful again. Shed prolly stay there along with the others including the enemies whom she made her allies and make Wano properous again .

Im not really sure about Yamato either and Carrot. In the beginning of the series Luffy mentioned about having 10 members for his crew, not sure if including him but if anyone is going to join, itll only be one person to complete the 10.

[spark wagon]

I think yamato has a chance of betrayal, if not, she probably doesnt have anything else to do

once wano gets taken back. anyway

[visual merlin]

It's not like luffy was limiting it to ten, and yea he meant excluding himself

[hybrid jewel]

I meant it was a foreshadowing if anything. It might not only be 10 tho who knows.

[spark wagon]

oda has to split the crew in half every arc as it is because there's so many already

[queen arrow]

i don't think we ever got an actual confirmation that he didn't include himself besides the unreliable op magazine comment

[visual merlin]

There's zero reason he'd include himself in that statement

iirc most translations pretty clearly imply he means outside of himself anyway

such as "about ten men will do"

pretty safe to say he was excluding himself

[spark wagon]

still holding out hope bigmom got enough of jinbe's lifeforce that he'll only last til the wars over. so that'd open a space up

[queen arrow]

what

[wicked charm]

what

[queen arrow]

Big Mom literally cannot take Jinbe's lifespan

[spark wagon]

they never showed us what actually happened tho

[queen arrow]

even when he was willing to let her take it, she's literally incapable of doing that

[visual merlin]

We know Jinbe's lifespan couldn't be taken so that wouldn't happen

[spark wagon]

ya just seems odd they didnt show us the outcome, & she just let him walk out

[queen arrow]

again what

[hybrid jewel]

I want Jinbe to stay. After Wano, things are going to be more intense and theyd need his input as the tactician.

[visual merlin]

she didn't let him walk out, we just didn't see the rest of that stuff. At the least she couldn't have taken his lifespan though

[queen arrow]

we saw her try to take the lifespan and it didn't work, then she attacked him, if you're talking about later after the escape Big Mom was eating cake when Jinbe went to help the Sun Pirates escape

[spark wagon]

im talking about the roulette wheel scene vice guy

[spark wagon]

i mean he didnt have a scratch on him

[queen arrow]

the one where he retracted his want to leave?

and then decided to betray her instead of leaving officially?

[visual merlin]

This is like a week after WCI

most characters are healed up after that much time

[hybrid jewel]

The roulette thing didnt continue, he chose betray her than be officially dismissed by her.

[visual merlin]

and scars aren't that common

[hybrid jewel]

Jinbe said if he chose to continue with the roulette itd his love ones' heads/hands/ etc which would be sacrificed so he rejected that and retracted his request of peaceful dismissal, instead he chose to betray her, like leaving the gang without her permission.

[queen arrow]

it wasn't a fair deal

so he decided "well fuck you then"

[spark wagon]

damn i recalled it differently. i remember it cutting off & the townspeople reading about it in the news, but forgot the interaction at the teaparty=/ still hope jinbe dies tho=p

[queen arrow]

why

[spark wagon]

because hes the worst

hes so bad, that oda pretends like he has other places to be...or gives him a year long coverstory arc where he swims around looking confused at stuff

[queen arrow]

oh so you just have shit opinions, glad to get that out of the way

[spark wagon]

i guess lol. i mean...why is he good?

[real swan]

Strong, understands when he messes up, critical in saving Luffy from the war, from depression, and from blood loss, also has been key in showing positive human-fishman interactions

[hybrid jewel]

^

[real swan]

meshes really well with crew too and quickly

[spark wagon]

that doesn't make him entertaining.

[cyan berry]

lol

[wicked charm]

he saved luffy when he was at the brink of losing himself

[real swan]

He's entertaining in the sense that he tries to be serious with a crew that is very random lol but also undertsnads that's just who they are

[spark wagon]

still doesnt make him an entertaining character. everyone was probably let down when the shadowy figure at onigashima turned out to be jinbe

[real swan]

?????

[wicked charm]

only u, i was hyped when he appeared

[real swan]

Why would we be let down bvy that?

[spark wagon]

because jinbe sucks lol

[cyan berry]

hey you seem to misunderstand the rules of this channel

either be serious or leave

[spark wagon]

putting him on a coverstory for over a year is an easier way to keep him in the story

[hybrid jewel]

Also Jinbe's like a memento of Ace's last moments to Luffy. They both tried to save Ace eagerly but Jinbe stayed with Luffy cause he knew how hard it was for him at that time. He helped him stay sane and made him realize that there was still something to live for. Their friendship was formed in the midst of war and death.

[wicked charm]

theres no use in trying to argue here, he just doesnt like jinbei

[queen arrow]

Jinbe literally saved Luffy both from Akainu and from his own grief

[spark wagon]

i am serious jinbe sucks. i replied to why

[cyan berry]

none of your replies gave actual reasons, it all just boiled down to "jinbe sucks lol i dont like him"

if you're just here to bait people into arguing with you then just stop right now

[real swan]

On another note, does anyone think there might be a connection with Devil Fruits and how they work like inheriting will? You get characters and ideals that surpass time by being picked up by the next generation, just as a DF reincarnates and keeps passing its power to the next one who eats it.

[cyan berry]

eh not really

two completely different people in entirely different parts of the world could get the same fruit

[spark wagon]

haha not what i was doing...but you're an excellent helper. get fucked peace

[pure raven]

Why

Give reasons why he sucks

[real swan]

Very true, probably wrong to word it as inheriting will through a DF, I mean more of the fact it's a power that keeps returning through reincarnation. Finding out why that happens has to be a big deal.

Actually now I say it like that too it's very different lol. I'm just trying to wrap my head around how DF work. The fact that they return is the biggest mystery.

[wicked charm]

fingers crossed for some Vegapunk stuff by the end of wano

[real swan]

The vegapunk chapter dumps, no matter when they happen, will be amazing. At this point I'm becoming more interested in DF and the science of the world more than OP itself...

[wicked charm]

the SSG chapters might be where we finally get those info dumps, and vegapunk reveal

[real swan]

Which will probably give us a big clue about blackbeard too

[normal halo]

Does anyone think momonosuke may get awakening or something

[cyan berry]

Most devil fruits awaken after decades of experience with them, even Luffy still hasn't awakened after 10 years of getting his fruit

[grizzled fog]

Considering momo can barely control his fruit and has had it for like, a couple months no I don’t think so

[cyan berry]

Momo's barely had his for a few months

[normal halo]

I mean something like the fruit was actually working but it has some side effects at beginning

Cause we show momo whining about it and cp0 talking about it

[thick sky]

Not awakening, but momo having kaido's failed cloned df should have a significance in this arc

[hybrid jewel]

So Kaido's hybrid version is his awakened df ?

[dense wing]

I don’t believe he’s awakened his DF yet

Zoan Awakening seems to be reverting to a primal state and you have more regen and destructive power

You’re still in control but for example the Impel Down Zoans couldn’t/didn’t speak

[hybrid jewel]

Like close to the state of Chopper when he gets out of control?

Does the rumble ball force his awakening?

[wild veldt]

I personally blame Sadie and the environment of impel down of why the jailor beast guards act the way they do. I don't think that aspect has to do with zoan awakening

[grizzled fog]

^ and it’s not like they were thoughtless rampaging beasts either, they were subservient monsters that did as ordered and one was even kind of timid, don’t think it’s fair to say they’re primal or out of control or anything. Given that I agree Sadie probably turned them into total vegetables

[dense wing]

That makes sense

[drowsy cosmos]

Rocks was the one who guided Roger to conquer the grand line 38 years ago god valley occurred. 25 years ago roger died. For 13 years roger was searching for that island until he found someone that could read the Poneglyphs. Rocks may have discovered Laugh Tale before Roger and initiated the attack on God Valley. The same way Rayleigh told the Straw Hats they werent able to do nothing with the knowledge they had. Whitebeard being on Rocks crew and knowing Roger's journey's significance stated "Whoever finds the OP will flip the world". Whatever is coming post Wano is going to be crazy

When Rocks died he must've passed on something to Roger

[formal quest]

Do you guys think Awakening is only for Paramecia fruits???
I know we had the Jailer Beasts but they were just devolved to complete animals so that doesn't seem useful to the user

[junior cape]

We have confirmation that at least the Zoans can awaken, as said by Crocodile during the Impel Down Breakout.

So we have no reason to assume the logias cannot

It's just that the effect is different for each type: Zoans get a new form, as well as increased stats all around; Paramecias gain massively increased control over their environment, so much so they can modify it much like a Logia can; Logias are unknown, but one of the best theories I've seen consists of being able to permanently shift an island's climate, such as like Punk Hazard or Enies Lobby (EL is a stretch, since we don't know WHY it is like it is).

[formal quest]

Actually this make a lot of sense. Thanks man!

[junior cape]

Yeah I thought so

Still waiting on Oda to officially show someone figuring out awakening on camera, as well as stating what logias do when they wake, but we're getting there

[junior cape]

I hope we get more Sanji soon

[teal nymph]

so it would be safe to assume that the admirals have awaken df's since PH is a cause of akainu & aokiji ?

[thick sky]

and maybe the slight hint that the day ace was in drum island, it didn't snow at all

or he could have just shot fireballs into the sky

[lunar shell]

Teach has a belly button ? If you know plz ping with answer thanks 🙂

[dusky acorn]

I presume you're asking this question in relation to Blackbeard's abnormal body and how he'd have been born strange.
Every panel I scoured didn't show Blackbeard with one, but I wouldn't hold much weight to it. It's probably just part of the simplicity behind OP's art. Characters are drawn without belly buttons quite often, you can even use Franky as reference for that

[rotund grail]

im hoping next chapter or two

[lunar shell]

You are exactly right. I am indeed wondering if Teach has a mom. Although I understand it can be an art simplicity as you suggest, I'm going to see if others dots can be linked to this conclusion. Thanks

At least i know now this dot isnt completely false. Its just weak in weight cuz of the art of Oda and his result on franky

[pure raven]

This channel is for serious theories only

@night turret Keep it serious here

[gritty marlin]

why conqueror haki different

[magic current]

[jagged yoke]

Do you guys think luffy will still need gear 5? He can face kaido toe to toe now. I’d be nice but, with awakening and level 2 Conqueror’s, will Luffy have gear 5?

[sleek vale]

So I have a question. What do you guys think will happen to Law? Do you think he will die or become like a second Jimbei?

[visual merlin]

neither

[sleek vale]

I've been interested in hearing what the fans think about this. I've been giving it some thought.

Do you think he will betray the Straw Hats then?

[visual merlin]

lives and stays an ally to luffy, but they can stop traveling together

[sleek vale]

Sorry, one other question. Do you think we will learn more about Zoro's past--i.e., his parents or family? We just know that he was challenging dojos right? Nothing more before that.

[visual merlin]

If there's anything important about his past before the dojo stuff sure

[past river]

Zoro challenging dojos is anime filler. In the manga Zoro never mentions being from somewhere else than the village we see him in.

[visual merlin]

Though Im not sure there's anything more to see in zoro's backstory

[sleek vale]

Oh fascinating. I should brush up on the early manga. I started with anime and moved over to the manga

[grizzled fog]

A thought occurred to me, have we ever seen Napoleon coated in haki?

[dense wing]

Tbh I don't think she's ever used Napoleon in a way that needed haki. Kinda like Kaido just casually swinging club

Although you would think she would during her brief clash with Kaido

[grizzled fog]

A thought occurred to me last night while sleeping, kind of a reach but, is it even possible to coat Napoleon in haki? He’s a sentient being with his own personality after all, even if he is made of Big mom’s own soul he’s kind of separate now

[thick sky]

yeah.

we have never seen a person coating someone else with their haki

[quartz dagger]

Is Zorro's eye never healed because he doesn't drink milk?

also since the hommies have their own portion of big moms soul does that mean they would have their own haki?

[zenith scaffold]

I was right all along

[steel needle]

Urouge D xebec

[steel needle]

I’m not joking

[pure raven]

What's the thinking behind Urouge D. Xebec?

@steel needle

[sand sail]

You also were far from the only one

[steel needle]

Well I was reading through his character profile, and this came up “Urouge's most prominent personality trait is that he is almost always smiling. Even when defeated or when believing himself to be near death he will still have a smile on his face” which makes me think he has the D, and the fact that he is old enough to be conceived around that time of rocks and how he was with kaido on sky island made me think that kaido didn’t do anything to him or recruit him because he knew about him from when he was an apprentice on rocks ship

Pretty out there theory ofc

He’s also the only supernova who hasn’t really had any screen time which oda probably has him play a big part later on

[queen arrow]

Kaido probably just had no interest on him because he was already there to go attack Kid, but this theory seems a bit more thought out than some theories i've heard, so good job

[lilac mirage]

could it be that zoro doesn't have coc but enma does? i mean as we know enma sucks ryo of its user, so could it be that when the previous user had coc?( before oden, or maybe him). it sucked their ryo and now when a strong person ( strong will?/ strong swordmenship) holds it they can use that to their advantage?

[thick sky]

Ashura was there even before enma

Kaku also says something in the line of exerting will or zoro's will taking form

[lilac mirage]

could you pls explain the last part?

[cedar sinew]

Ashura doesn't have anything to do with coc

[hollow axle]

i think zoro got coc cause he was pushed by kaido and bm not the attack its self

[autumn zinc]

apparently this is a mistranslation

[hollow axle]

i just dont like the idea of straw hat using haki before luffy

[thick sky]

Ashura attack was there even before zoro had enma, even before his fight against kaifo and bm

[cedar sinew]

what's the actual translation?

[cedar sinew]

it's a swordsman's spirit. Imposing your will on someone

[thick sky]

It was way before in enies lobby

[queen arrow]

it just says Enma uses it's wielder's haki

[thick sky]

Yea

[cedar sinew]

zoro's spirit manifests in an illusion resembling a demon god or w/e

[queen arrow]

as in, the stuff we already know

[hollow axle]

then he was pushed to the brink of death thats why he unlocked coc

[cedar sinew]

isn't that also what the picture I posted says?

[cedar sinew]

ah I see the difference

[thick sky]

But that doesn't explain this part tanu

[lilac mirage]

ok, thnx

[cedar sinew]

here's a better explanation

[lilac mirage]

noice

[thick sky]

Katana bearing oden's presence, in other words, oden's haki

[cedar sinew]

not necessarily

[thick sky]

Then how would you explain this mai

[cedar sinew]

also presence =/= directly using

[autumn zinc]

kaido can sense oden's presence from it because it was oden's blade

[cedar sinew]

someon's presence doesn't insantly mean it's their haki

[lilac mirage]

you can sense swords, right? zoro sensed that named blade luffy had, probably kitetsu 3

[cedar sinew]

it COULD mean that

[thick sky]

But to sense someone's presence in a sword, there should be some factor causing that

[cedar sinew]

Kaido and Oden have fought before, and Oden was the previous wielder, so Kaido could've sensed that as a very experienced fighter.

[lilac mirage]

it could be similiar felling

[thick sky]

Kaido isn't even a swordsman , so swordsman can feel the katana explaination won't work

[visual merlin]

for the reasons you guys have just pointed out, this panel poses more of a question

since here he seems to think there's some strange haki, and not just a presence

[cedar sinew]

I think the fact that they fought before makes it easier for me to think that it's just a similar "vibe" that he got. If they didn't know eachother, then i'd be more inclined to think it was some bigger reason

you dont have to be a swordsman to feel eachothers presence

[thick sky]

I guess we should check the Japanese one to be exact

[visual merlin]

Well, I can't read japanese so that wouldn't really work for me

I can only go off what viz gives us

[thick sky]

Is there any Japanese source in tachiyomi, the website I use for it isn't there so asking

[cedar sinew]

maybe the strange haki just refers to the way enma draws out haki from its user, something we have not seen before. I just think there's still a lot different possibilties/interpretation before we can conclude zoro = directly drawing out oden's haki

[visual merlin]

Maybe, I guess it depends what he means by it being strange

[thick sky]

Haki should be related to, I guess, blackening of the sword or whatever it's called.

Black blade or something, like enma and yoru are

[cedar sinew]

enma isn't a black blade

[thick sky]

No but it could be in progress. Black blades have haki in themselves or smth , right?

Infused with haki or smth

[cedar sinew]

we don't know how it exactly works, or how it becomes one, but logically yes

[visual merlin]

every sword would technically be in progress though right?

or at least any sword that's ever had haki on it

[cedar sinew]

idk I don't think it's referring to the general concept of black swords, kaido has seen those before most likely. MAYBE, he says it's strange because Enma has almost became one?

sorta guessing here but it could give off a different presence the moment or the "phase" before it turns into a full black blade

[pure raven]

Oden was just too damn good and he almost made it black

[cedar sinew]

because the general concept of black blades should not be "strange" to Kaido

[visual merlin]

The idea I think matches up everything is that Enma normally just takes from the user's haki, and that it still has Oden's in it as well

it'd be a little weird I guess, but that would connect the dots with the different things we've heard about enma

[thick sky]

Yeah so the thought that came to my mind is through countless battles, haki of haki users may be slowly infusing in the sword. Shusui became black with just one user, lets say. For enma, it went countless battle and and is already underway in black black formation. Battles of zoro would complete its blackening process

did it make sense? 😅 😰

[pure raven]

I don't think its haki

[thick sky]

..

[pure raven]

Because if it was zoro should have cut off kizaru's leg at saobody

Shanks doesn't own a black blade

[night jewel]

or monet would have died as well

[cedar sinew]

don't think anyone is saying like

having a black blade = constantly using haki

[thick sky]

Black blades are blades infused with haki is confirmed, right? Mai? Arsal?

[cedar sinew]

uh, no?

[thick sky]

That talk with onimaru in bridge..

[pure raven]

Now I like part about will. It could be the sword slowly manifests a will of its own and when it fully does it becomes black. It slowly manifests the will through countless battles and it could be gaining something from those battles that causes it to gain a will.

It fits the theme of swords having wills of their own and it fits ryuma saying shusui would be happy with zoro as its owner. @GoronyaaNeko#1606

[night jewel]

black blades seem to have something to do with the user's history of battle, its not exactly permanent infusion or anything like that

[visual merlin]

Onimaru doesn't mention haki

it may have something to do with haki, but like Arsal just said it's not permanently infused with haki

[cedar sinew]

black blades are related with haki, and you need to infuse a lot of haki into it to turn it into one, but wielding one doesn't mean you're constantly using haki. Not sure which question you were trying to ask

[pure raven]

I don't think you need to infuse it with haki to turn it black. It seems to be a battle type deal

[sand sail]

We're not actually sure if infusing it with haki is part of turning it black in general

[pure raven]

I'm all on the gaining its own will train

[sand sail]

Might be that there's a special forging process that has to happen after a certain amount of time to make the blade go black permanently too

[night jewel]

the method hasnt been revealed yet, all onimaru said was " ryuma forged the blade into a black one through his history of battle", nothing more i think

[sand sail]

like, you start it in battle, then take it to a blacksmith worth their salt and they finish it

[cedar sinew]

is anyone really doubting that black blades aren't related with haki though 🤔

[pure raven]

In terms of gaining a will of its own yes. But in terms of infusing it with permenant haki no.

[night jewel]

dont think so

[cedar sinew]

it's not "permanent haki", it's part of the process

[sand sail]

Yeh, when most people mention haki, they think it's gaining some permanent haki by becoming black

As opposed to haki just being part of the process somehow

[pure raven]

So is the haki residue making it black then

[cedar sinew]

that's already disproven though right bean

all the times zoro have used shusui

[sand sail]

Yeh exactly, but it's still a really popular theory for some reason

[thick sky]

Yeah seems like haki isn't mentioned. But i remembered dressrosa and shusui was in zoro's mouth and wasn't infused by haki ( only his hands and two swords being infused with haki was shown). And that attack needed haki in all swords to work right, when he cut down haki protected pica?

[sand sail]

Kinda the same thing with what happened with Ryuo when it first came out, how so many people thought it was only going to be about the advanced armament when Wano just calls any armament the same

[pure raven]

It was infused with haki. You just can't see it since the blade is already black

[sand sail]

You don't need haki to get through haki

But likewise, he probably did infuse every blade there yeh

[pure raven]

Its like painting coal black. There is black paint on the coal you just can't see it since both are black

[cedar sinew]

having "permanent haki" also goes against zoro's principle that he learned from his sensei during alabasta. One of the key points is to be able to control it, having it permanently on regardless of if you want it or not is pretty contradictory in the first place to me. And yeah, the other obvious things that disprove it

but like, I still believe haki is a crucial process to turning a sword into a black blade

and can't be done with only battle experience or w/e

[thick sky]

Then shouldn't his mouth and portion of face of that area be Black too. Like his wrists and hands were. In dressrosa

[pure raven]

No. He chose to coat his hands and swords in haki. It doesn't force him to coat his teeth

You can choose what to coat in haki

[cedar sinew]

that's also sorta a aesthetic decision

black teeth would look weird lol

[sand sail]

It wasn't until just about that time specifically in Dressrosa that a sword coated with haki made the users hands turn black as well

[thick sky]

OK then

[sand sail]

Before that, I don't think swords were turning black from haki in general

Early time skip was a bit of a toss up for Oda's armament decisions still, you can tell a few things hadn't been settled by Dressrosa just yet

[thick sky]

Before that zoro wasn't said using haki

Yeah

And about zoro's line. ' I was wondering about that' what would it mean?

[pure raven]

I would need the panel

[thick sky]

This one. (sorry slowdown slowed me down)

[dense wing]

Honestly that implies Mihawk didn’t want to tell him

[thick sky]

And his last significant battle was with pica

[dense wing]

And is gonna let him learn it on his own

[thick sky]

Abt?

[dense wing]

How to forge into a black blade

[pure raven]

Yeah Zoro said that because he most likely didn't know how shusui became black and he's only seen two black blades before. Also the only time he's made a blade black was through haki but the blade didn't stay black. Him saying "I was wondering about that" means he was curious as to how blades stay black. @thick sky

[dense wing]

It’s been on Zoro’s mind but he doesn’t know how to do it

[thick sky]

Ok. I am kinda throwing arrows everywhere trying to figure out how I connected this conversation with dressrosa shusui thing back when the chapter came out.:😅

[pure raven]

Its probably because of what Mihawk said in a flashback at Dressrosa

It was something along the lines of "and you too could make your sword black" or something

[cedar sinew]

"do you mean its black color came from... [ryuma's haki?]"

[queen arrow]

just in case you guys wanted the Mihawk thing

[amber oar]

Mihawk knew how to keep Zoro under control

[lyric rapids]

yet he still didn't master it yet am i right?

[sand sail]

He did, yep

[lyric rapids]

huh

Or i guess mihawk is just talking about standard armament

[vestal bone]

Yea standard

[cerulean coyote]

Hitetsu said to Zoro that Enma still has to reach black.

[cedar sinew]

what about it

[scarlet cedar]

listen

the one piece it's on the moon and Im is an alien

that D civilization lived there or had a base there until something happened

that would connect with enel

these road Poneglyph opens a way to go to the moon, remember that most important places for poneglyth are in innacessible places like do something like travel across a giant waterfall, cover the ship with something that would allow them to breath or get something to find it (zou)

that would explain the toki's song, most references of the moon (celestial dragons using a suit that looks like a astroneer and minks's ability)

other theory that i have (this is far to the main theory) it's that most species of one piece were aliens too or modified humans

that would explain why there were D giants

the one piece being in the moon explains why nobody even the marine couldnt find it yet (except roger)

remember that thing that said luffy and roger that made everyone laugh? that strange dream that they have

that dream it's "travel through the stars of the sky"

one old theory that i had it's that one piece world it's fake, Im created it and manipulated with their power, making the world go back a few centuries explaining that technology gap

but hey it's just a theory, an old theory, the good one it's the previous one

[random tundra]

Is Daishinkan Conquers haki?

[dusky acorn]

The move Zoro used against Monet wasn't related to Conqeurors Haki. He had her scared of him even before ever using the move

I'm sure whatever move Zoro ultimately chose to use would have made the end result the same. Monet would still be too terrified to reform properly

[gloomy canyon]

@random tundra no other series spoilers please

[grizzled fog]

What’s daishinkan again?

[random tundra]

What

[random tundra]

The attack he used to finish Monet from Punk hazard

[gloomy canyon]

you mentioned a spoiler about hxh

[random tundra]

Lol

[grizzled fog]

When did he use that particular move in wano?

[random tundra]

let me see if i can fin dit

[dusky acorn]

Here, I'll repost your message without the reference

But what about when he used Daishinkan in Wano. He doesnt really Cut rhem, but they thought he did and then fell
Well, the simple rebuttal to this point is that this was an anime only scene, it's not even something we have to think about regarding the canon story

[random tundra]

Just youtube Wano Daishinkan

[gloomy canyon]

oh it was in the gambling house filler

[grizzled fog]

Oh the filler

[queen arrow]

emphasis on it being filler

[midnight heron]

I’m thinking that any sword can be turned into a black blade, as long as the user is formidable enough like mihawk

Hmmm, something about that statement I said seems off

[dusky acorn]

No, it's not off at all. You're correct, that's basically what Mihawk said; any blade can be turned black.
If Mihawk was the one to turn his Yoru black, then he'd also have the skill to be able to do it with any blade granted he used them the same way and did whatever blackening method it was

[queen arrow]

i never thought that Mihawk was the one that made Yoru black

[dusky acorn]

I suppose the name being "Yoru" which means night may imply it was black for a long time, before Mihawk ever got a hold of it? Unless Mihawk was the one to name the blade afterwards, or the name is just a massive coincidence lol.

That brings me to another question, I wonder if swords can be forged/birthed as black from the get-go depending on the smith, or if it can only be created by swordsmen themselves through battle

I just think it's weird for Mihawk to be teaching that lesson on black blades but him not actually having first-hand experience with doing it

[queen arrow]

i mean, from what Zoro says it doesnt seem he goes in to detail about "turning a blade in to a black blade", and it seems more like a general stating about coating a blade in haki to make it harder to break

so i think it's possible that he doesn't have first hand experience

[midnight heron]

So shanks and Kaido maybe roger would of had a black blade?

[dusky acorn]

Mihawk just referring to basic haki coating of blades is possible, but Zoro said in 937 he's been wondering about the concept of blackening blades for a while, which is what leads me to believe that's what Mihawk was getting at. Or, even if he wasn't, that's a secondary notion Zoro interpreted from Mihawk, and presumably began to ponder about as he trekked on to learn normal armament https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/687170247572193438/840022399499894814/unknown.png

And Kaido uses a mace which aren't weapons that can be permanently blackened as far as we know, or at least don't have a precedent in series for it. But yeah, Shanks and Roger could have done it with theirs granted they knew the method behind doing it. It doesn't seem to be common knowledge though.

[steel breach]

Don’t forget whitebeard

[grizzled fog]

We’ve seen shanks, roger and WB’s weapons and none of them are black

[pure raven]

I think any weapon can be infused with coc or coa, just because its based on the user, i dont think its exclusive to blades

[queen arrow]

i think it'd be weird if only swords can be blackened, considering even bamboo can be infused with haki

[dusky acorn]

The reason it's hard to say is because not only have we never seen any weapon other than swords blackened, but you'd think we'd have at least heard the generalised phrase of "black weapon" dropped at some point in the series, but it never has.

Right when Zoro first got Shusui, he said he heard the toughness of black blades are unmatched, not weapons, and then of course the list goes on.

I guess you could say that's because no weapon other than blades have ever been relevant to the context for all these scenes, but at that point those weapons never being relevant towards the in-story references of black blades may as well be due to them not being able to achieve what swords can in the first place

[cedar sinew]

What are your thoughts on kaidos club being a “black weapon”

[dusky acorn]

The thing that deters me from Kaido having permanently blackened his mace, and that's why it looks the way it does is because throughout the series, clubs are just normally black by default. We can look towards Alvida, or even Kaido's own daughter Yamato, (who has even higher doubts than Kaido on being able to achieve the phenomenon).

It's surely possible, and there's nothing outright deconfirming the possibility of other black weapons besides what I think is reasonable enough judgement to make, but the only real way for us to know Kaido blackened his mace is if it turns out we see in his flashback that it was originally a lighter/different colour. We could even go as far as surprisingly learning about the process behind blackening weapons through him/his flashback if that IS the case..

Apart from that flashback though, I don't think it has any place to be verbally revealed by him in present-story, considering he's only going to be interacting with Luffy from here on out.

IF Zoro was still a part of this fight, learning about the process or existence of other perm blackened weapons from Kaido's word of mouth would have been pretty cool though

[real swan]

Dunno if it's just me but what I got from OP is that black blades/weapons are formed through constant use of them with armament haki.

[junior cape]

I feel that that is the currently prevailing theory

Of everyone we know of that has formed a "Black Blade", they've all been EXCEPTIONAL fighters whose dedication to the art was renowned across the world, such as 'Hawk Eyes' Dracule Mihawk and 'Sword God' Ryuuma.

Both are known for their combat skill with their respective weapon, and both are extraordinarily strong

Ryuuma even brought down a mythical creature on his own with his sword

So if making a "Black Blade" requires anything, it most likely requires intense combat experience with the preferred weapon, massive and continuous Haki output, and overwhelming strength.

[junior cape]

Nami vs Ulti is gonna be interesting, considering whatever happens will lead to BM going on a rampage

Unless next chapter has Law and Kid showing up to stop her

[rotund grail]

this is old news but jimbe and whos who potentially know each other? I'd love to see this expanded on more

[lunar shell]

You have to keep it simple to make it relevant : oda introduce the fact that swordmen can turn their weapon to black. Why ? 1 : to show who are real good swordmen and who arent. Ryuma and Mihawk have their swords black. Oden was halfway. 2 : to give zoro a power up sometime in the story

Shanks dont have his sword black ? Then he is not an accomplish top swordman and his power lie elsewhere

Soredakesa

[zinc iris]

about the power up, it doesn't seem that a black blade actually gives an edge (heh) to someone that is already able to coat weapons with black armament on their own

[lunar shell]

I believe the manga suggest otherwise.

Isnt it said that a sword upgrade her rank quality if blackened ?

[zinc iris]

yes, but Mihawk also implies a good swordsman can make any weapon unbreakable

[lunar shell]

This is another thing. Related to offensive haki. That's why Zoro is so proficient in it

[pure raven]

oh mai gawd nami so hot

[reef nest]

go to #off-topic ig

[pure raven]

oops mb i thought im in 1012

[reef nest]

Notice Kinemons sword during his fight against Kaido, there are scratches and nicks on his sword. Do you think it's because of not having a good Haki? I think prolonged Haki usage on swords can lead it to a black blade. Or there's other theory about swords needing their will to be fulfilled.

[zinc iris]

Do you think it's because of not having a good Haki?
@reef nest yes, at least in the sense of not good enough against kaido
someone with an even better haki than kin'emon could have prevented those scratches and nicks

[pure raven]

What if Oars and Kaido are the same species? It seems quite possible due to horns, overall body type and Body Height.

[pastel summit]

Oars is about 8x larger than Kaido.

[pure raven]

Thought I had it! Those two species looks so similar...

[zinc iris]

it seems instead the Numbers are of Oars's species

[fringe tide]

Ok my theory is bm and nami bond after nami fights for tama, in gratitude bm gives nami zues cause he’s worthless to bm since she has hera, but then tells nami she appreciate her helping her friend tama so she will let them live for now but next time bm will kill everyone. This makes ussop and nami happy/sad

[nocturne iron]

Guys. I just realized the pic in the spoilers channel where Sanji is carrying Zoro, Zoro isn't a cross. He is a sword.

[queen arrow]

Oars and Kaido don't look that similar

[pure raven]

There are definitely similarities

Could be that Kaido is half-Oarspecies?

(Do we have a name for his species?)

[grizzled fog]

Kaido? As far as we know he’s human, or do you mean Oars which is an ancient giant

[pure raven]

Damn Oda really makes massive humans

Is Little Oars Jr. also full Ancient Giant?

He's a direct descendant of Oars (Continent Puller) but I don't remember if it's stated whether he's 100% Ancient Giant or not

[grizzled fog]

Don’t see why he wouldn’t be, he’s In the same size range. The only major difference between them is the color

[queen arrow]

Little Oars Jr is pretty much a full ancient giant

[zinc iris]

Ancient Giant i think

[vocal obsidian]

oh

[pure raven]

!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iymCiKD9KA

[vital pilot]

Hiyori is coming or her mom. Gonna have to heal Zoro using time time no mi.

[pure raven]

I don’t think it’s possible to go back in time with her fruit

[manic relic]

"If it's a one on one, bet on Kaido." That's what Yamato was thinking. Will Luffy be able to claim this feat?

[pseudo citrus]

Is he the only one who's fought Luffy and Kaido, even if it wasn't serious with Luffy or fair with Kaido? So Yamato would know better than anyone.

[visual merlin]

Not really, she may have a good idea of Kaido's strength but likely has never brought out the strongest in him, and on the other side of things, she only really clashed with g2 and g3 luffy a bit, who wasn't even using ryou

and now Luffy's gotten the CoC powerup

[nova spindle]

I have a theory

Zoro is going to meet up with momo and the old ninja woman is going to AGE Zoro to get him back into the fight

he might also learn something from momo

[dusky notch]

Zoro vs King
Sanji vs Queen

Big Mom retreats after stealing kaidos poneglyph, but thankfully Robin or Law already took a copy

[dark perch]

I actually want Sanji and Zoro vs King

[hollow axle]

after the latest chapter zoro aint getting up

[hollow axle]

yeah i prefer this

[dark perch]

It would make sense. Zoro is injured and to show the power of the 1st commander you need atleast 2 ppl

[dusky notch]

Zoro and sanji has to reach yonko commander level

[hollow axle]

but zoro wont be doing much

[dusky notch]

Marco will heal him

[dark perch]

Chopper vs Queen

[hollow axle]

he couldnt even fully heal that animal on his island his powers have a limit on other people

[kind gate]

^

[dusky notch]

Zoro faced 2 yonkos, he can defeat a commander with half strength

[kind gate]

he can't even move right now

[dark perch]

That makes King look bad tho

[hollow axle]

even if he could who can heal bones on this island

bones take a while to heal

[dark perch]

Just drink milk

[lyric dust]

he would be taller then

i think he's shorter than jack

[lost ledge]

He might just take a nap while sanji carries him to recover

[lyric dust]

there is no chance that zoro beats any one of the commanders

[hollow axle]

i think it will be like thriller bark

[lost ledge]

Never be too sure it could always happen

[lyric dust]

he has 20-30 broken bones in his body right now, i guess they'll just magically heal back within about 5 seconds

[hollow axle]

he takes a nap for a few day to recover

[rigid current]

jkon\

[hollow axle]

but he is still hurt

[lyric dust]

this is like orange town, he does all he can, goes to sleep, leaves everything to luffy

[steel breach]

I’d rather Sanji 1v1 King and Zoro coming back later helping some other people out against queen or maybe Jack

[neat inlet]

hey i just realized something thanks to momo

[steel breach]

Feel like we’ve seen enough of Zoro to gauge how strong he is compared to others

[lost ledge]

Ngl i feel as tho there are not enough match ups for the alliance to fight

[neat inlet]

what if the power to hear "voices" means at some point those with the power will be able to 'sense'/'hear' the presence of someone who is invisible to others?

if i go further down the line- what if that's somehow linked to a devil fruit of some kind?

[steel breach]

Momo already has a devil fruit albeit an artificial one

[neat inlet]

no no, what i mean, his ability to hear 'voices' might indicate some voices in the future aren't visible for the naked eye, kinda like how the sea kings talked and the normal people couldn't hear them

as if there's an entity completely hidden to the normal people

idk, just a thought

[queen arrow]

Momo is using haki

we already knew from his Vivre Card that he has Observation Haki, and the "voices" he hears are the people he's sensing

Luffy also has previously used "voices" in a similar manner

[neat inlet]

yes that's understandable, what i mean is to ask what's the purpose of "hearing voices through haki usage" in the storyline sense

as it seems to be important and hinted to be related to more advanced storyline down the line

[queen arrow]

there isn't a "purpose", it's just how observation haki works

like literally the first usages of Observation Haki that we've seen where people hearing the voices of others

[neat inlet]

but somehow most princess/princes (momo) have developed such senses

without doing much to achieve it

[queen arrow]

so did fucking Aisa

some people just unlock Haki without training

[lyric dust]

some people are just born with haki, and just awaken it randomly look at sabaody luffy

[queen arrow]

it probably applies to all forms of Haki as well seeing as Luffy used his unconsciously too

[neat inlet]

the sea kings case is a perfect example cuz only once in a generation( or more?) there's a mermaid who's able to talk with the sea kings, that just seems to serve some kind of a purpose we just don't know yet

[grizzled fog]

He cannot, and even if he could he’s nowhere near half lol, and no one can get him to half

[queen arrow]

Poseidon is an ancient weapon, it's not the same as Momo having Haki

[neat inlet]

is poseidon not a haki form then?

[grizzled fog]

Not everything is haki

[queen arrow]

it isn't, Poseidon is like a reincarnation thing

Momonosuke sensing Luffy and Kaido is haki though

the best argument you could made is the Voice of All Things being related to Observation Haki, and that's about it

[lyric dust]

everything is haki, actually guys, when i was running to the store the other day i got super tired, but all of a sudden i got a sudden burst of resurgence and I was able to run again... haki???? im a conquerors user??? holy shit?

[neat inlet]

so voice of all things couldn't be an incarnation either?

[tropic depot]

👀

[lyric dust]

voice of all things isn't even a person/soul/whatever how could that be reincarnation

[neat inlet]

because it is said to be related to joyboy

[queen arrow]

no it's not

[neat inlet]

welp

[lyric dust]

????????????

[queen arrow]

the voice of all things is never said to be related to Joy Boy

[neat inlet]

what is joyboy then?

[lyric dust]

a PERSON

[neat inlet]

from 800 years ago who is supposed to come back again?

[lyric dust]

yeah the reincarnation of him is supposed to come back again

he himself is dead

[queen arrow]

i also don't remember it ever being said that he'll come back?

[neat inlet]

they keep the noah ship for his return to fulfill the promise

[lyric dust]

something something wano

[queen arrow]

but that doesn't relate to the voice of all things at all

[lyric dust]

yeah i have no clue where this is going

[neat inlet]

and the sea kings are waiting for their ruler to return, however they also take the noah ark with them to fix it

[lyric dust]

what does this have to do with the voice of all things?

[neat inlet]

they were surprised that luffy/oden/roger were able to hear them

indicating there was something unique about it

[queen arrow]

yes because it's not an ability many people have

the fact that 3 different people had it immediately makes it not unique

[desert hatch]

y'all see the last vivre card thing

yasuie never had a smile fruit

[neat inlet]

well nevermind, idk, i tried to bring something up but it's hard since according to the chat it nullifies every meaning haki has to the joyboy/laugh tale stories

[desert hatch]

whos dying next

[dense wing]

I believe there will be more deaths during the raid

We have to see though

Oda has stated he doesn’t like deaths due to him wanting to draw a fun large party at the end of arcs

[lyric dust]

there has to be some deaths here and stuff
like, important ones
especially on the allies side

[dense wing]

Yeah

I think Ashura Doji will die if he’s not already dead

[eager trout]

Hi, new here, do you guys think the straw hat could be related to the "one piece" ?

another thing i belive shanks will join in wano to assist luffy - luffy and shaks vs kaido and big mom

[dense wing]

@regal hound serious theories only

[dense wing]

I think the giant straw hat belonged to Joy Boy

Also doubt Shanks shows up in Wano

[eager trout]

you think joy boy was a giant ?

[dense wing]

Seeing him in Elbaf is likely

Joy Boy could be large without being a giant

Who knows

[eager trout]

i think after wano we will start entering the void century arc

[harsh drift]

No I then after Wano the big war ist gonna start

[eager trout]

what will start the big war ( against the world gov ) will be the void century

if you talking about war = emperors we are already there only one missing are shanks and black beard

[dense wing]

The final war will be triggered once Luffy finds the One Piece

[eager trout]

i don't think that, i think the one piece will be after the war

i think it will go this way "wano" "wano war" "void century" "war agaist world gov" "one piece"

[dense wing]

Finding the One Piece and hearing about Joy Boy’s story is what causes Luffy to want to fight the WG

[eager trout]

but we will only find that out after void century

they need to find the last 2 ( the one with kaido ) and some other missing ( which is probably with shanks )

[dense wing]

The void century knowledge is within the One Piece

It’s the “funny story” Roger mentioned

Joy Boy’s story

It’s at Laughtale

[eager trout]

i think it's not within one piece but it's in the pologrifs

maybe there are thousands of pologrifs in laugh tale who knows

[dense wing]

The One Piece most likely has Poneglyphs considering the Roger pirates read/heard a story

[eager trout]

one thing we are assured muggiware will defeat kaido and earn his poneglyph

making it 1 missing to know that path to laugh tale

[dense wing]

Yeah

[eager trout]

there are 3 chances for the last one;
1 - black beards
2 - shanks
3 - world gov

[dense wing]

I have no clue honestly

[eager trout]

oda usually follows a path so we just need to find the similarities with the first half of the series to know what will happen next

for me WANO = marineford

[dense wing]

I don’t think he’s trying to mirror pre-ts

Sure some things are similar

But he’s not fully keeping the arc to arc pattern

[eager trout]

yes, but we still following a pattern

we are currently reaching the final third of one piece

above emperor, luffy can only go the "pirate king"

[slate zodiac]

https://www.tiktok.com/@bozento_d/video/6957741982898752773?feedType=1

[eager trout]

Vivi will probably return to Muggiware crew

i just want to see luffy beating the hell out of black beard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXUFfoI9Rhc

[grizzled fog]

!pics

[lone hedge]

Get a role (pirate/revo/marine/civilian) in #old-role-info to be able to post pictures!

[cerulean coyote]

Bb is at beehive and it is impossible that big mom/kaido left the stone there (it was the first Rocks pirate base)

[eager trout]

can you even lift those ?

[cerulean coyote]

Big mom has 3 of them on her boat...

[eager trout]

but did she lift them ?

[slate zodiac]

https://www.tiktok.com/@bozento_d/video/6959223568886484229?sender_device=mobile&sender_web_id=6959666654545888773&is_from_webapp=v1&is_copy_url=0

I fw this a lot tbh I wanna seen more of the rocks crew

[eager trout]

luffy just as to ask garp about them

[queen arrow]

one poneglyph was moved from it's place at Fishman Island, Jinbe found one underwater and gave it to big mom, the other one she had probably wasn't inside her vault since 800 years ago

[eager trout]

Rocks D. Xebec = Marshall D. Teach | Gol D. Roger = Monkey D. Luffy

[queen arrow]

so there's nothing indicating Poneglyphs can't be lifted

[eager trout]

we still have to find out about the celestial dragons ( that go to the century void )

so many things to uncover yet

i just hope that in the end the good navis go to assist luffy

[eager trout]

Imagine if one piece is usop telling his adventures to kaya

[hidden tinsel]

Yall i think Zoro's gonna absorb power from Enma to recover and when he gets out of thay cacoon lookin thing he'll be good to go, but Enma won't be a black blade anymore

[queen arrow]

that's not how Haki works, and not how Enma works, also Enma isn't a black blade

[hidden tinsel]

Ohhhh, woooops

Maybe a black blade is from, using your sword so much and infusing it with haki so much that it just stays that way, one thing is coating it with haki to do or accomplish something but, channeling so muck haki into it, it just stays.. radiating energy hence why Kaido senses Oden in Enma

[pure raven]

I'm rewatching ohara attack with my friend right now, the professor theorized of a kingdom that was way ahead of the World Government it was later destroyed and that event is when the void century ended. Could this by any chance be LaughTale?

[dreamy silo]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-marco-phoenix-gif-19603446
thats what will happen with zoro

[real swan]

I've seen many theories of it either being the kingdom or the capital of the kingdom.

Or possibly just a spot for Joyboy to hide the One Piece.

[pure raven]

The capital of the D.?

Do you have a link for these theories because I find it interesting

[slate zodiac]

Well the kingdom is still around cuz the gorosei wanted him dead right before he said the name and why would the name matter so much 🤔

[real swan]

Unfortunately no :(. I just see a lot of theories by different people and try to remember them lol.

[real swan]

May not necessarily mean that it still exists, as the government made sure to wiupe out any evidence of its existence. Though it still very well could be here just in ruins.

[timid yarrow]

Evryone can eat 2 devil fruits but the pepole who Ate 2 in the past were just extremly weak

Or something something Will of the D

[light pond]

I doubt thats the case since it is heavily hinted that blackbeard have some abnormalities in his body. I think he has 2 or 3 stomach

[timid yarrow]

You never know

We tought Sabo was dead

And then oda was like huh Sabo oh yeah that thing lets throw it in to like eat fruit

And fire well fire

[weak arrow]

No one thought Sabo was dead

[light pond]

I never thought sabo was dead not even once due to multiple hints

[craggy pumice]

I just found the placement of the Sabo character and his death weird and thought it would be more fitting to One Piece that he would appear again

[light pond]

With oda hinting multiple times that blackbeard have abnormal body structure i doubt it was as simple as everyone can eat multiple df and it was just fake news and bb did it anyways

Also vegapunk was the one who experiments on df and found out people dies from consuming 2

[slate zodiac]

Sabo isn’t gonna be brought back just to be killed off screen he’s 1000% alive

[grizzled fog]

If that were the case zoro shouldn’t killed monet when he cut her

[pure raven]

Yeah for sure theres substantial meaning in just the name of the Kingdom

[midnight heron]

how off is it that there is a powerful bounty hunter clan

[upbeat wasp]

What if Momo have his own set of scabbers. Made of mostly the old scabbers but carrot and Yamato take someone place.

[grizzled fog]

Carrot? Why would carrot stay in wano as a scabbard

[upbeat wasp]

Because if momo end up going back on the sea. carrot will probably be the navigator. Plus I can't see why she would stay on Luffy crew after wano unless it just for fun.

[grizzled fog]

If she doesn’t join Luffy’s crew she’ll either create/join the new Nox pirates, or go back to zou, really can’t see a reason at all why she’d stay in wano with momo

[upbeat wasp]

Good points, what about Yamato? I think it be poetic having the son of the person that people fear , protect momo and wano

[verbal yew]

I'll put money on Cobra is the one who was killed. Sadly.

Also Vivi is joining the SW for the end.

[upbeat wasp]

Vivi too weak at this point to join SW? Not saying that Luffy crew need to be overpowered but a person that can at least solo Lucci before the time skip.

[grizzled fog]

Atm nami without Zeus, Usopp and maybe even chopper would lose to pre ts lucci lol

[hollow axle]

i feel like chopper would win

[light pond]

Monster chopper could fight lucci and if usopp master his CoO he have a fighting chance

[thick halo]

Is he fast enough?

[grizzled fog]

If monster point lasted longer than 3 mins he’d probably win, don’t think he would as he is though

[thick halo]

I’m not sure chopper could beat lucci

[hollow axle]

dont know but he can take more hits

[thick halo]

Oh yes by being a punching bag doesn’t mean you would win the fight imo

[hollow axle]

not saying thats the only deciding factor

[thick halo]

Ofc. But I was countering your stated point not all your unstated points

[hollow axle]

alr

he is stronger but too bad monster point has a time limit

[thick halo]

The argument would be imo. Chopper without monster point is stronger than pre ts luffy. I’m not sure if that’s the case

[grizzled fog]

It’s absolutely not

[thick halo]

Well he would have to be equal or stronger than pre ts luffy to have a chance against lucci right?

[polar bison]

Chopper’s monster point definitely has the power to fuck up Lucci

I would’ve been unsure but him drawing blood from Queen is a great feat

[cyan berry]

Yeah but for that happen I think Lucci would have to wait there and take it

[polar bison]

the question is whether he has the speed to catch Lucci, and the durability to tank any attacks Lucci might throw his way before that

[grizzled fog]

I think lucci is overall faster and can certainly survive for 3 minutes

[polar bison]

wouldn’t be surprised if Chopper just needed 1-2 hits tbh

[thick halo]

Is monster point stronger than gear 3 luffy? Similar? Gear 3 luffy really put the hurt into lucci when it hit

[polar bison]

I think wano era MP certainly is

[grizzled fog]

Post ts gear 3 luffy? No absolutely not

[thick halo]

Pre ts g3 luffy

[grizzled fog]

Pre..........maybe, but I have doubts

[polar bison]

well yea but that’s not the gear 3 luffy that fought Lucci

I don’t think a gear 3 punch from enies lobby luffy would draw blood from Queen

[thick halo]

I’m willing to say it is however assuming he can get a bit off with monster point I think chopper wins. If it comes down to everything not monster point I think lucci is really fast

I think Brooke wins vs pre ts lucci because he has the speed

[polar bison]

problem here is we don’t rlly have any ways (that I can think of) to directly compare chopper’s current strength, much less his speed, to pre ts luffy

[thick halo]

Ofc ofc

[polar bison]

brook 100% takes Lucci

he hits pretty hard nowadays and is probs way faster

[thick halo]

I wonder if nami could. Nani is pretty squishy so I think unless lucci is an opponent to underestimate nami like all of her opponents, lucci kills her before she gets a hit in. If nami lands a hit I think she one shots pre ts lucci

[dark leaf]

whoever lands the hit first between Nami and Lucci wins

[grizzled fog]

With Zeus? I agree, but without it nami can’t 1 shot him

[polar bison]

also nami wouldn’t be oneshot

[grizzled fog]

Considering she’s up and moving after ulti’s headbutt(s), true. Although she’d be pretty heavily damaged

[lyric dust]

one shot from what

[polar bison]

ulti hits much much harder than Lucci, and Nami’s tanked multiple of her headbutts

[polar bison]

anything Lucci could do .

[thick halo]

Ehh off screened I don’t put any weight into that statement

[lyric dust]

doubt it

i mean, she tanked a headbutt from ulti, didn't?

[polar bison]

u guys can dispute fact all u want. but the thing about fact is that it’s reality

[lyric dust]

unless lucci is just some ultra super chad mf who just surpasses ulti in all attack categories

[grizzled fog]

A roukugan oughta fuck her up

[thick halo]

Could have been all glancing. I dispute she took a usopp level head butt

[lyric dust]

yeah definitely, but apparently, the argument is that lucci can one shot nami from anything he can do or something

[thick halo]

Ult hits the ground and explosions hit. I don’t put any weight into nami tanking ulti headbutts because they were of screened

[lyric dust]

lmfao

[thick halo]

All of nami’s past fights would indicate she is quite squishy. But now we heard her say no more headbutts and we are supposed to assume she tanked those hits

[polar bison]

yes.

[thick halo]

I don’t buy it

[polar bison]

that’s super lame

[thick halo]

No more headbutts could literally mean, I saw usopp just get hit please don’t hit me. could mean I got glancing hits from headbutts. Ulti hit the ground and I took damage from getting tossed around.

But you guys think it’s ulti of screened full head butt nami in the face. I don’t buy it

[pure raven]

She might have just took one headbutt

Second one would have killed her

[thick halo]

Yes it could. But all of the nami fights previously makes me think that was not the case

[grizzled fog]

Could’ve been a pretty casual headbutt too

[thick halo]

Tama tanked a ulti hit. Tama is so tanky right?

[grizzled fog]

? It wasn’t a headbutt lmao

[thick halo]

Exactly. If it was of screened it would have seemed like a bigger deal otherwise

[grizzled fog]

Except nami’s statement confirms the hits she took WERE headbutts

[thick halo]

No it doesn’t. It said no more headbutts after she saw usopp get headbutts

[dense wing]

Nami was bleeding

From her head

Saying no more headbutts or I’m gonna die

[dark leaf]

Lucci lost to pre-TS Luffy with no haki
if Nami gets a single thunder-lance tempo off before Lucci reaches her, she wins

[dense wing]

No

[thick halo]

you're inferring previous headbutts and that there is no way nami could possibly take damage to her head except for a headbutt

[dense wing]

Especially post-TS Lucci

[dark leaf]

I was thinking of EL Lucci, not current Lucci

[dense wing]

I am due to context clues

Both the wording and her words

She took, at the very least, a headbutt offscreen

[thick halo]

how about all the context clues from all of her previous fights

[dense wing]

Personally I think it was 2

???

Wdym

[thick halo]

nami has not been shown to be tanky, yet we just assumed she off screen tanked a extremely strong attack

strongest attack nami took? off screen headbutt. im not convinced

[dense wing]

She’s taken punishment as a straw hat

We saw Usopp take a second headbutt on screen

Nami was bleeding from her head

And said “no more”

[thick halo]

no more attacks i just saw you do

[dense wing]

No more implies she took it before

[fallow tree]

Does it?

[thick halo]

is not, I took an attack from, you previously so please no more of those exact attacks

[dense wing]

This is even better

She took a headbutt

[vestal bone]

Ultis so tall

[dense wing]

Ye

Well she’s also in hybrid

[thick halo]

idk if that means headbutts

[dense wing]

Obviously you’re not going to change your mind

[polar bison]

to be clear!! she says “if you hit me one more time” directly after she says “no more headbutts”!! it’s one line of thought.

[pure raven]

Hope ulti never enters full zoan again

[polar bison]

and wouldn’t you know that nami has a massive injury on her forehead. where ulti headbutts people.

[thick halo]

that implies she took a similar headbutt to twhat usopp took and not a glacing attack or a headbut that hit the environment and that she took damage from?

[dense wing]

You have to go through so many loopholes to say it wasn’t a headbutt

Vs what Nami said

[polar bison]

wrong pic oops

[dense wing]

Her injury

[thick halo]

nami litterally didn't say it.you're all inferring it

[weak arrow]

Nami said "Please no more headbutts"

[thick halo]

her bleeding from the head is not i took a usoppy level headbutt

[dense wing]

Please no more headbutts, if you hit me one more time

[dense wing]

???

[vestal bone]

Bandage on forehead btw on 1012

[polar bison]

nami says “no more headbutts... if you hit me one more time, i’ll die.” what other takeaway are you getting from this.

[thick halo]

she was attacked by ulti and she ran out of options and will die if ulti headbutts her

[dense wing]

Your line of reasoning requires pushing aside what’s shown and said on screen

Vs Occam’s razor

Which says she tanked a headbutt.

[thick halo]

bullshit one second. I'll pull up the panels for usopp and luffy

you guys honestly think Nami tanked a headbutt of this level? I'm not buying it

[vestal bone]

Luffys using haki

[dense wing]

Yes, I think all evidence points to she did

Your argument that “she wouldn’t be able to” isn’t evidence

[thick halo]

my evidence is that it was off screened so i dont buy it

[dense wing]

Do you think Akainu didn’t beat Aokiji

[thick halo]

if it said buggy beat akainu off screen i wouldnt believe it either edit or i would think it's terrible writing

[dark leaf]

kubo, Nami literally spells it out for us that she was hit at least once earlier and she doesn't want to be hit again
I don't what other conclusion you can possibly draw

[thick halo]

glancing hits at best.

[dark leaf]

that is literally your headcanon lol

[thick halo]

I have not seen the panels where nami is a tank and im not just going to buy she took a ulti headbutt from whole cloth

[weak arrow]

Do you also believe Tama just fell over and hit her head back in left overs town instead of being hit by kaido because that was offscreened?

[thick halo]

Tama fell down and released CoC and had half the townsfolk passout. I wouldn't believe that either

[amber oar]

MUH

POWERLEVELS

[thick halo]

the act of something happening off screen isn't the problem. it's the degree of separating of what we know and have seen from chracters

I dont find it believable that nami tanked a full ulti headbutt off screen with a few panels inferring it as evidence

[forest rampart]

I was reading the discussion about black blade.
I always take it as somehow haki is the one that help forges the black blade.
But what if black blade is simply forged from more battles like more killing maybe..? (or not necessarily so).
Gyukimaru said "Shusui is a black blade. It was forged through Ryuma's history of battle".
Then, we know that the magistrate (the one that Zoro "slashed") have been killing many people around Wano in order to strengthen his sword (correct me if i'm wrong).

Ryuma was known to slash down/killed a dragon.
We dont know much about Yoru so cant say whoever that make Yoru black killed a dragon in the past.

So, instead of killing a dragon is necessary to forge a black black, it could be just about killing, or more battles. Like we know that Enma is most likely closer to becoming a black blade.

I think everyone agrees that Enma could become a black blade if Oden was success at killing Kaido.
Fun fact: Kaido is a "dragon"

But still, haki could play some roles in forging one too.

[weak arrow]

Wouldn't you say Tama had to have somewhat taken an attack by Kaido? Would you say Tama would be able to do that? I mean it happened offscreen so I suppose you think it didnt happen?

[dense wing]

Nami tanked one and knew she was about to die to a second one

It’s not as unbelievable as, say, Buggy beating Akainu

Offscreen

[thick halo]

even better evidence. I don't believe you could argue from this panel that Tama took a boro breath level attack head on.

[dense wing]

Well she wasn’t burned

The area wasn’t destroyed

[weak arrow]

It doesnt have to be boro breath. Literally any mace hit would have "killed her" using your logic

[thick halo]

about to die from the next one does not mean got hit by a first one

[dense wing]

There isn’t evidence of a boro but there is evidence of an Ulti headbutt

I can’t help you if you blatantly ignore every sign we were given

Because you can’t believe X character can do something

[thick halo]

yes i agree tama did not survive getting hit by a Kaido named attack

[weak arrow]

any attack from kaido should have killed tama logically

but it didnt

[thick halo]

name attack given by ulti should have killed tama as awell but Tama got slapped

[thick halo]

there is only inferences. I am arguing people are interpreting those panels incorrectly

[weak arrow]

Thus, you admit nami can take a headbutt, using this same line of logic. Thanks, we're done here.

[thick halo]

yes I AGREE! Nami could survive a mini headbutt and I think it's WAY more likely than a full ulti headbutt

I disagree that Nami tanked a usopp /luffy level ulti headbutt. That has been my position this entire time

[dense wing]

There’s no reason to believe Ulti held back on the first headbutt

But anyway

I hear your point

At the end of the day, it’ll be cool to see Ulti vs Nami round 2

[thick halo]

i argue there is no evidence that nami actually got hit by a headbutt besides inferences

[thick halo]

for this one, Adam was trying to strawman my position that he thinks I don't believe anything that happened off screen. I provided counter examples of where if we heard inferences of something happened off screen that I would also not believe it.

I do believe things that happened off screen. however if it's too absurd, I have my doubts. If buggy beat BB off screen, I would doubt. If Tama survived a direct hit boro breath. I would have my doubt.

If Nami Tanked a full fledged Ulti headbutt. I have my doubts

[dusky acorn]

Kid May Be the 1% Man of Surviving until Tomorrow THEORY

Content:

Introduction

1. Motive for Checking Kid
2. Hawkins Knows Kid's Survival Rate
3. Hawkins' Confidence
4. Killer's Relevance
5. Kid's Fated Danger
6. Kid's Luck
7. Clash of Ideals
8. Cover Page
   3D軌
   99%
   Conclusion
   (5) Rebuttals
   TLDR
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Introduction

 As the raid on Onigashima continues and steadily moves towards its final stages, the battlefield is becoming increasingly dangerous for fighters all over. One clear testament to the progression of severity is how Hawkins checked the survival odds of a "certain man" until tomorrow, which came up at a measly 1%. While it may appear that man was leading to be someone along the lines of Luffy, Law, or Drake, there instead lies a firm basis on how the certain man could be Eustass "Captain" Kid instead. This will be paired with rational as to why those other figures don't have as much plausibility. With that being said, the basis behind Kid's odds and why they were checked by Hawkins will be delved into, ultimately leading to what that survival rate could mean for Kid.

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1. Motive for Checking Kid

   As already known, Kid is someone who has gone through many trials and tribulations to even get to this point. In fact, it's even been highlighted how Apoo thought Kid had already been dead. As for Hawkins, he also believed Kid would inevitably die due to never submitting to Kaido, and because his life was constantly being held as blackmail. As a result, Kid's current existence and being on Onigashima after everything he's gone through in Wano have rightfully come across as a shocker for multiple characters.

   Thus, to propose a scenario with these pieces in mind, after Hawkins had caught wind of Kid surprisingly still being alive and even choosing to challenge Kaido once again at Onigashima as one of the front-runners of the raid, Hawkins could have naturally become curious enough by 990 to check the exact odds of his former alliance member who had shockingly defied the logic of death until that point.

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Beforehand, Hawkins having been surprised at Kid still being alive was merely an educated inference to make girven his past opinion of having thought Kid would die. During 1011 however, he outright went on to say how he's surprised that Kid/Killer are still alive. For Killer's side of things, this makes sense considering Hawkins knows he only has an 8% chance of survival, but what about Kid's chances? Well, Hawkins having said this after having checked the odds of the 1% man potentially adds a whole new layer.

 Instead of this quote just being in reference to Kid's having survived his past his refusal to submit, if Kid was to be someone with 1% survival for the day, Hawkins could be showing surprise in Kid also having defied his near impossible odds for the day up til now. This would of course still be unbeknown to Kid, and merely Hawkins speaking on behalf of the 1% knowledge he internally has about Kid, paired with Killer's own 8%.

SOURCE:https://www.deepl.com/en/translator#ja/en/

お前達よく命かあつたな
Hawkins: "I'm surprised you guys survived."
(Instead of merely congratulating them like VIZ put, he's actually showcasing surprise in the original translation).

 Note: The reason Hawkins is not referring to how he's surprised they survived their fight with Kaido is because he already expressed knowledge to Law in Kaido not having killed Kid/Killer, and instead would try and break their spirits. Thus, the two of them having survived that specific fight isn't something Hawkins would be surprised about at this stage of the story to remark about.

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2. Hawkins Knows Kid's Survival Rate

 At the very least, it may as well be a fact that Hawkins has checked Kid's survival odds and knows whatever they are by this point. This is given how Hawkins already knew about Killer's odds, even though he had never even flipped through his cards during the confrontation, which is the only known way he can read percentages for people. This means he must have done it sometime beforehand for Killer.

 If Hawkins had already checked the odds of the lesser important person of the two, then he surely would have checked Kid's odds as well. And what better place for these odds to have been checked than Chapter 990, the only other chapter Hawkins has been in Onigashima and the reader would have continuity for? This was coincidentally where the 1% was read.

3. Hawkins' Confidence

   If Kid truly has a 99% chance of generally dying, then it would give much better reasoning for Hawkins choosing to confront Kid of all people, in the first place.

   Under normal circumstances, Hawkins should presumably have low chances of success, which means it's out of character for him to try taking such a risky battle. This is especially considering he flat out said victory wasn't possible against the both of them.

   As a result, this means a man as cautious as Hawkins must have had some sort of basis for confronting them. If Killer already has an 8% chance of survival, then that befits Hawkins choice well already, but it fits even moreso if Kid's own survival was something low such as 1%.

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4. Killer's Relevance

 The fact that the sole character Hawkins is currently fighting is Killer, and in such a secluded area on the third floor happens to lend utmost credence towards Kid being the 1% more than ever. This is because the character Killer is most relevant to is Kid. As things currently stand, the only person whom Hawkins could verbally reveal the 1% man to is Killer, if it were to ever be blatantly revealed that is.

5. Kid's Fated Danger

   Moreover, if Killer already has a whopping 92% chance of death, then it only stands to reason that Kid would automatically be sitting at an even grater chance of death than his partner right now. This is factoring how the cards would have accounted for fating Kid into fighting an even more dangerous foe than Hawkins when calculating his % for the day, which is Big Mom.

(Note: Kid going after Big Mom instead isn't something Hawkins would have known just by his survival rate. It's not as if he knows the reasons behind the survival percents his cards accurately give and accommodate the fate for. Hawkins just knows what the numbers plainly are).

6. Kid's Luck

   This theoretical 1% Kid would have also goes hand in hand with the general unluckiness he has been portrayed to have thus far in the story. He has lost and got his arm cut off by Red Hairs, betrayed by Apoo, lost to Kaido, failed his first Udon escape, etc.

   However, this doesn't necessarily mean things will keep turning bad for Kid until the breaking point of actually dying at all, as Kid has plenty of reasons to stay alive moving forward in the story. He has a future desire to fight Shanks, and Oden has made a prophecy about the new, young pirates leading the next generation, which Kid is part of.

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Thus, if he won't be dying then what this potential 1% reveal could instead be used for is to showcase Kid getting put into a lethal position of sorts, only to pull some kind of reversal in the end and put a final sock in his unlucky streak. Having to go against the grain with a percent such as this would thereby highlight his efforts against the Yonko that much more.

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7. Clash of Ideals

 During Killer's confrontation with Hawkins, a key theme being pushed for the battle is taking matters into ones own hands through strength and bravery, rather than relying on fortune like Hawkins is. Killer even justifiably showcases anger towards Hawkins' fortunes, as they're the reason Hawkins turn-coated from their alliance. Killer basically believes in Hawkins' predictions to be phoney, and that strength is what really matters. In the original translation, Killer even said he and his crew believe in being a meritocracy instead.

まだ占いか? おれたちは実力主義だ!!
Killer: “Still fortune-telling? We're a meritocracy!!”

 Therefore, if Hawkins were to reveal Kid as the 1% over the course of their fight, it would be the ultimate push for this themed battle of willpower vs fate to the extreme. This would effectively put the nail in the coffin for Hawkins' mindset of favouring safety as the lapdog he chose to be, granted Kid actually goes on to defy his near impossible odds against Big Mom.

 This would also showcase more character development for Killer, as he further tells Hawkins off of his fortune-telling, and claims he believes in his captain to accomplish their goal regardless of his chances to die, which Kid then presumably goes on and does. This would thereby prove Hawkins' predictions wrong to the furthest extent possible, given it's a 1% that's defying them.

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8. Cover Page

3D軌

 Featuring the first dedicated cover Kid has ever had, there lie key aspects which detail related things to Kid's character, which will be broken down:

1. The bare meaning of (軌) is that it's a kanji that's pronounced "Ki", which is coincidentally short for Kid's name.
   For example, it's like how Kyros had "SOL" short for Soldier on his hat, which makes for a nice and simple connection to Kid.

2. As for the actual definition of (軌), it means "path" or "model". This altogether makes the shirt say "3D Path", or "3D Model". Contextually, this may be referring to how Kid is able to model creative 3D objects with his fruit, as he's even showcasing with the bird on the cover. Basically, Kid is a character who exists to be on the path of creating 3D designs, so to speak.

99%

 Now that the relations to Kid's own character have been proven to exist with the text of the apron, which makes sense given it's his piece of clothing after all, the only thing that lies left is the 99%.

 At first, this percent seems out of place given how it currently has nothing to do with Kid as far as what's plainly known. However, one way this number can still be relevant towards Kid's character is if the percent is meant to foreshadow towards Kid currently being the man with a 1% chance of survival until tomorrow. This would mean it's representing the flipside of the odds, and how Kid having a 1% chance of survival means he has a 99% chance of actually dying. https://imgur.com/a/RQBcXFY

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While a common rebuke to all this analysis is that it doesn't hold any weight as a fan request, it still stands that none of the present text showcased were part of a request. The person who made the request even said on Twitter that they don't know the meaning behind "3D軌99%", when asked about it. https://twitter.com/atsu_a201/status/1391536410440585217?s=21

 This means they are instead things Oda consciously went out of his way to put as his own decision, and can thus be reasonably peered further into if there's something possibly relevant to decipher related to the story, which "99%" currently is.

 Essentially, It's hard to look at all this as just one big coincidence when Kid has finally gotten his first dedicated cover page now of all times, and for there to be a percent located on him which ties directly to a recent, lingering plot-thread exactly related to that percentage.

Atsu (@Atsu_A201)

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Conclusion

 When all is said and done, it only feels practical at this stage of the story for Kid to potentially be revealed by Hawkins as the unlucky 1% man, to go along with his character. The twist being however, for Kid to actually push through whatever dire situation he's put in this time and break his unlucky streak. Kid would thereby finally be overcoming the Yonko, which he's been desiring to take down for hundreds of chapters, and by extension proving Hawkins wrong on all accounts. Surviving and pulling a reversal on these insane odds will ultimately crown his efforts that much more and make him feel as a very deserving figure to be leading the next generation alongside Luffy and the others.

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First Rebuttal

Why the 1% isn't Drake.

1. If the 1% man is ever going to be blatantly revealed, it doesn't fit to be Drake anymore, since Hawkins revealing that to Killer wouldn't have any weight on him. The two haven't even interacted since Sabaody.
   

2. Drake's life isn't in enough danger to live up to the 1% anymore, especially considering it's a fate that's supposed to extend all the way until the end of the day. Thus, Drake's 1% wouldn't just already be over by now, and yet there's no insanely tough hardships upon him anymore.
   

3.  Drake saying “It sucks to be him” for the 1% is actually a misrepresentation of the translation. This is just what VIZ tried pushing since they interpreted it as irony. In Japanese, Drake merely calls the odds “pitiful/不憫だ”, meaning he's not explicitly joking about having to be in the sorry person's shoes.
   

4. When Drake was ambushed, this would have been the perfect time to clear the 1% up by having Drake ascertain it with Hawkins, considering he was right there and played a part in the ambush. This would have been just like how Drake recognised and cleared up the obvious with Queen about the Flying Six he wanted to kill. And yet, the same "obvious" thing didn't happen for the 1% when given the chance, which lends even more incentive to why it shouldn't be him.
   

   Thereby instead of dramatic irony, Drake would have been a red herring for the percentage all along, and it was instead meant for someone like Kid, who's fighting much more dangerous foes to actually justify such low chances until tomorrow.

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Second Rebuttal

"Okay, but why didn't Hawkins say Kid? What's the in-universe reason for saying 'a certain man' instead of 'Kid'? Why does Hawkins even say it in front of Drake to begin with?" (Credits to: @pastel summit).

1. The in-universe reason for Hawkins saying a "certain man" instead of Kid is because Hawkins was simply answering Drake's question. Drake merely wanted to know what the percent represents in general. Drake didn't ask to know *who* the number represents, as he had no idea it was even foretelling about a person to begin with. 
   

And as we could see, Drake got what he wanted out of his question, and was completely fine with knowing that bare minimum. He wasn't curious enough to ask who exactly it was afterwards either.

2. The reason Hawkins says the number aloud is because that's just generally how Hawkins operates. Most of his percentages readings happen to be spoken aloud. And for a percentage as *shocking* as this, it's only natural Hawkins would have blurted out the number, even if accidentally, considering the amount of jeopardy whoever the person's life was as low as 1%.
   

Third Rebuttal

Why the 1% isn't Law

1. Law suffers the same problem as Drake of not having much relevance towards Killer's character for the 1% to be verbally revealed towards him. The two did fight on the roof with each other, but there were no notable interactions present. Killer interacted most with Kid and Zoro on the rooftop.
   

2. Another thing going against Law is that he and Hawkins haven't paid any heed to each other during this entire raid. Law likely doesn't even know where Hawkins is right now, and instead has his sights set on Big Mom, whom is on a different floor than Hawkins anyways.
   

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Fourth Rebuttal

Why the 1% isn't Luffy.

1. Luffy is plainly ruled out as a possibility because Hawkins had already decided his fated survival rate to come up as 19%, which even extended all the way to a month in time. There'd be no reason to tell the reader this if it was just going to be overwritten somehow regardless.
   

2. Hawkins cards should be set in stone, as that's how fate actually works. It only has one true path, and nothing is meant to deviate from what's already been determined. Thus, it doesn't matter if time has progressed since the first time Luffy checked his odds, because the fate behind Hawkins cards already accommodated for everything that was to come up til now when making the reading back then.
   

3. In essence, Luffy's fate hasn't shifted since then. It doesn't work the other way around where his cards were vaguely playing out every possible scenario. The cards knew exactly what was going to happen for the foreseeable future to calculate that percentage, even without Hawkins himself knowing how things would specifically play out.
   

4. Consequently, what all of this basically means is that there's no point in Hawkins feeling the need to check the fate for the same person again. It's not like Hawkins is aware Luffy's the main character or anything regardless, even if his survival hadn't been foretold already.
   

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Fifth Rebuttal

"But Hawkins checked Luffy's readings multiple times at Marineford, so peoples fates do shift."

 It's not as though Hawkins was just sitting there and watching the cards constantly shift in numbers on their own. What Hawkins was likely doing instead of checking Luffy's odds of death in a general sense, was actually playing out specific scenarios, thereby changing his method of fortune telling. Hawkins may have been desperate enough to keep checking Luffy's survival rate in relation to various causes of death, such as "chance of death by Kizaru's lasers fired at the submarine",  "chance of death by his wounds at the war", "chance of death by Law backstabbing him", etc.

 At the end of the day, it stands to reason how the *general* survival rate of Luffy wouldn't ever be changing, which is how Hawkins typically goes about checking the deaths of people. It's only how Hawkins was trying to approach foretelling his survival through hyper-specific scenarios is what was making the survival rates change. This is very apparent by his phrasing of "No matter what I do".

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TLDR

1. Kid has rejected death many times recently, and his current existence has been deemed a surprise by multiple people, including Hawkins himself. This may have led Hawkins to check the survival odds for Kid upon hearing word of him at the raid.

2. It's all but confirmed that Hawkins does know whatever Kid's survival rate is. This is considering he already knew Killer's survival odds without having ever checked his cards in 1011, meaning he checked them sometime before. Hawkins would have of course checked the odds of the more important person out of the two sometime prior as well, which may be the 1% scene in 990, as it has continuity.

3. Kid having such a high chance of generally dying makes Hawkins less foolish given what he flat out said of not being able to beat both him and Killer. Hawkins knowing Kid has a mere 1% survival would have given him the proper confidence to have confronted Kid of all people in the first place, even though he'd normally have bad chances against a man of his disposition.

4. Hawkins is solely fighting Killer, lending credence to Kid being the 1% more than ever, as Kid is the most relevant character to Killer.

5. Killer already having a 92% of death justifies Kid to be higher than that given the stronger foe he's facing, and possibly even up to the breaking point of 99%.

6. These pitiful survival chances go hand in hand with the general unluckiness Kid has been portrayed to have repeatedly in the story.

7. Key theme being pushed with Killer vs Hawkins is bravery vs fate, and Hawkins revealing Kid as the 1% would be the ultimate way to push that to the limit and prove Hawkins' way of thinking wrong to the utmost extreme.

8. On Kid's cover page, he's shown with a 99% on his shirt, which may be foreshadowing to his chances of death and being the 1% man. This is paired with other text on the apron also being references to other aspects about Kid's character.

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(For reference, link to my old theory on this subject when Chapter 990 first released: <#manga-theories message>)

c

@sturdy hawk Here you go (Sorry it took longer than I thought)

[pastel summit]

Okay, but why didn't Hawkins say Kid? What's the in-universe reason for saying "a certain man" instead of "Kid"?

Why does Hawkins even say it in front of drake to begin with?

[dusky acorn]

The reason for saying certain man? Well, Hawkins was simply answering Drake's question. He told him what the number represents, Drake didn't ask to know who it represents

And as we can see, Drake got what he wanted out of his question, and was completely fine with knowing that bare minimum. he wasn't curious enough to ask who it was afterwards either

[pastel summit]

Hawkins is the one who randomly says "1 percent" unprovoked.

[dark palm]

no rebuttal for law

I'll go through this in a bit

[dusky acorn]

Law doesn't have as strong of a rebuttal as Drake or Luffy, but the main things aginst him is that he currently wants to fight Big Mom, and is on a different floor than Killer/Hawkins

[pastel summit]

Actually that's a lie. Him saying 1% is provoked by Drake saying he'd become a traitor, which is ironic because Drake was.

[dusky acorn]

They're on 3, he's on 2

[pastel summit]

so why is he randomly shifting the topic to Kid's survival chance?

[dusky acorn]

Isn't reading cards aloud just Hawkins thing in general though

Well like I said, he only recently caught wind of the raid, somewhere in between 981-990, and Kid/Luffy/Zoro/Killer were of course the front runners

So if he was to be checking anyones odds, it would be them. We don't even know for certain if Hawkins was planning on backstabbing Drake right then and there, Who's Who came in unaccounted for to start the ambush up

And Hawkins was already checking his cards before that

[pastel summit]

I just think Drake flows the best with that conversation. I don't think Hawkins necessarily has to announce his readings. He never did with Luffy at Marineford. He never specified what numbers, he just said it was odd that his survival never went to 0.

[dark palm]

Law makes more sense than Kid as well imo

in that Hawkins would have been referencing Drake freeing Law

[weak arrow]

Sorry Shimon, when a cover page is the best piece of evidence tying it together Although I think Law and Hawkins are both better answers

[dusky acorn]

Law also suffers the smae sort of thing in not really having relevance to Killer, they were on the roof together, but no notable interactions

[pure raven]

Shimon could you pin that? I’ll read it later

[dark palm]

the relevance to killer would be law showing up in the middle of the battle

[dusky acorn]

Nah I don't want to pin this, sorry

[dark palm]

with hawkins' heart

[thick halo]

I like the theory. The things you point to is interesting

[pure raven]

It’s fine

[dark palm]

since that'd be the reason Hawkins would have checked Law in the first place

[dusky acorn]

Law already expressed interest in going elsewhere, I don't think he even knows where Hawkins is

[pastel summit]

and ye. Not a fan of cover page as inspiration for the theory. I reaaaaaaaaally don't think that's a good metric to go by.

[dark palm]

he was going to big mom

and Hawkins/Killer are in the same vicinity

[dusky acorn]

Whom is on a different floor

[dark palm]

As is Law

who would in this case, potentially find Killer and Hawkins clashing while on the move

and use the opportunity to turn Hawkins

This would play into the "92%" thing as well, as the 1% survival rate Law presumably had factors into that

[dusky acorn]

? Zeus was right by Big Mom, Law would presumably be right there by now too

[pastel summit]

I'm almost certain Hawkins was intending on doing it. WW says they had people watching, which means they would've known for several days that Drake was a traitor, likely indicating this whole thing was planned.

I don't think it was some last minute thing, and Hawkins being directly related, also says "I can't think of anyone else it could've been but you", definitely ties into him knowing drake was a traitor.

and they were just waiting for an opportunity where Queen could actually kill him, which would be the fire festival.

[dark palm]

zeus is in the midst of the fray

[weak arrow]

I agree with Choc that it's got to be someone relevant to the situation, which would be Drake, Law, and Hawkins.

[dark palm]

and he's able to fly

while Law has to either run all the way if he wants to conserve energy considering how much his power burns his stamina

[dusky acorn]

So do you just think the 1% will never be blatantly revealed? Because it already lost its chance in regards to Drake to be reiterated by him

But yeah, I can accept it being a planned thing I guess if Queen said aloud he had a man he wanted to kill, Hawkins would know what he's talking about

[dark palm]

or teleport in short bursts

[pastel summit]

I mean, I think it was pretty decently indicated in chapter 990 itself that Hawkins was referring to Drake. If you expect a secondary reveal, it means you think it's someone other than drake.

[dusky acorn]

Zeus is presumably being able to look right at Big Mom, and HE's the one Law didn't want regrouping with Big Mom, he really wouldn't be anywhere on the 3rd floor with Killer/Hawkins right now, nor have any incentive to go up there

[weak arrow]

Well the 1% thing will need to be followed-up later in the arc. For it to be Drake, it'd need to somehow get Hawkins to reveal it to someone to connect it to drake or Hawkins meets up with Drake again. It's possible but not likely at the moment.

[dusky acorn]

Choc, it's really as simple as Drake having just said "Aha, now I know the man you wanted to kill,** and that 1%**" Literally just tacking on the 1% to the end of Drake's speech bubble, seeing as Drake was already in the middle of clearing the obvious up with Queen

[weak arrow]

That's part of why i lean towards it being hawkins or law

[pastel summit]

I don't think it needs to be followed up, but it can easily just be Drake seeing Hawkins after the war going "so you meant me, huh?" or something.

I think the random shift in conversation by Hawkins is so fucking jarring that it can't really be anyone but Drake, and maybe Law as Juba theorizes. No one else is related to being a traitor.

[dark palm]

I mean, Law probably started from the second floor of another tower, we don't know how he teleported or what he thought the best route was

we also don't know what has been going on with hawkins/killer for the past few minutes

[dusky acorn]

To each their own I suppose. I still think it's justifiable for Hawkins to be surprised enough at Kid's having held on to his life to check his odds, especially since he was running through his cards before Drake ever ticked him off by urging him to turn traitor

[pastel summit]

yeah but he's always running through his cards.

He's still looking at them even after he says the 1% stuff as well.

[weak arrow]

Wonder what he saw with this card. Drake's high survival rate?

[dusky acorn]

Yeah, I'll admit this panel was pretty foreboding and convincing towards him checking in regards to Drake

But like, why continue to flip through his cards if he already read Drake as 1%?

[pastel summit]

reaffirming because he's just about to go with drake to his death.

[dusky acorn]

There's a pretty decent time gap in between him reading the 1% in that panel and this one too, at least like 30secs-1min

[pastel summit]

yeah, he could just be doing the same thing he was doing with Luffy in MF.

constantly rechecking the survival chance.

[dense wing]

Is there a specific reason why he can’t be checking Who’s Who in that panel

[dusky acorn]

Yeah, I guess you could use that whole checking specific scenarios thing on this too

At this point this is just racking my brain though. I'll still hold on to my belief of Kid but yeah I'm not as confident as I was going into it

[pastel summit]

because Hawkins has a personal investment in Drake's death, unlike what you suggest with Kid, where his personal investment is pretty low imo.

[grizzled fog]

Great write-up shim, I really like this idea, but I’m not too confident on it in all honesty, and as for the cover page don’t all sorts of color pages and spreads have numbers and such that don’t really mean anything in particular?