manga-theories

[steel needle]

No

He said the WG are afraid of the Great War to come and his final words were “the one piece is real”

[kindred flint]

Oh i interpreted the panel wrong mb

[steel needle]

Also excited since oda said he gonna draw the greatest war in one piece which is in reference to final war right

[wide sluice]

I have a theory.

What if the entire world was connected together in one piece, and the Red Line was created to split the world into four parts. Why I think this is because of. First, Wano, is the only place where Seastone is obtainable ( One Piece Manga and Anime — Vol. 92 Chapter 924 (p. 3) and Episode 915, Basil Hawkins states that Seastone originated from Wano.). Yet we see Seastone a lot, even though Wano is isolated. It might be true that Orochi has sold Seastone to CP0, but first, Seastone's usage was referenced before Orochi was Shogun, and we have no proof of what Orochi was doing with Aigis. Second, Oden stated that Wano was connected to the rest of the world, maybe he meant it literally (Note: Oda has left hints like this to previous matters.). Third. The Celestial Dragon who ordered the construction of a really long bridge connecting Tequila Wolf, and another island, 700 years ago, might have been to connect to previously close islands together.

I don't know about this theory though. It isn't my best to be honest, and it still isn't complete, I'm still searching deeply for more evidence, I have other theories that I'm working on, and once I'm finished I'll send them here.

[lyric dust]

god valley doesn't exist anymore but maybe they stumble upon its ruins

i see lodestar being like, a quick pitstop, kinda like sabaody

[wide sluice]

it does they erased all info on it

or at least probably

[last halo]

I like the theory that God's Valley is currently at the center of the florian triangle and that's where Vegapunk does his current experiments for the WG.

[wide sluice]

i dont think so because the florian triangle is in paradise and very isolated, vegapunk probably requires a lot of supplies delivered to his laboratory, and i say probably beacuse in karakuri island we heard that vegapunk as a kid would take up all the resources sent the scientists on karakuri.

[amber oar]

I don't know if the Florian Triangle will ever be revisited, its main purpose seemed to be setting up a mystery place for Thriller Bark.

I'm intrigued, however, because when we followed Roger's adventure, we went through the same islands the SHs visited, except that between Water 7 and Sabaody, Roger's pirates went through Tequila Wolf

[wide sluice]

Tequila Wolf is a country in the East Blue

plus when was it stated that they went through tequila wolf

[grizzled fog]

Tequila wolf is mysteriously located in both the east blue and the grand line

[wide sluice]

no?

[grizzled fog]

Yes

[wide sluice]

where did it say that

[grizzled fog]

Roger went through it in the grand line, and Robin was teleported to it in the east blue by Kuma

[wide sluice]

the bridge oden and roger saw didnt resemble tequila wolf plus the bridge's location does not collide with the grand line

[pure raven]

roger is roger. that's it.

and luffy is future pirate king, that's it.

[pure raven]

what i just said > all theories

https://tenor.com/view/kozuki-oden-one-piece-oden-funeral-cremation-gif-20180058

[grizzled fog]

Yea that’s most definitely tequila wolf

[amber oar]

I mean, it's a massive bridge that has taken centuries to build, it would make a lot of sense if it was intended to connect a spot in East Blue with a spot in the Grand Line, and it's being built at both sides

[grizzled fog]

Yup

That’s what I think

[wide sluice]

oh i see, it most definitely resembles it, I apologize

[night jewel]

the order of roger's adventures was pretty weird in general, he was traveling on the seasnake current after FMI when thats something you see before you enter the new world

so they didnt really follow the same journey as the strawhats, not exactly I guess

[amber oar]

Pretty sure they saw something like that after FMI as well

[night jewel]

huh, dont remember that

[amber oar]

Ah no, was this

[night jewel]

yeah

so the seasnake current, which should be before FMI was after it , wonder if it was a mistake from oda or just a deliberate choice to show that roger's adventures were fairly random, like say, they were looking everywhere for the poneglyphs and left the grandline to go to other islands somehow, like returning back to paradise after entering new world

[amber oar]

Dunno, Roger already knew about the road poneglyphs' whereabouts before going to FMI.

Actually he went to FMI because he had a hunch that it would be there

[night jewel]

oh not road poneglyphs, real poneglyphs, oden did say that they gathered a bunch of them as well

[pure raven]

Why dragon is dengerous

[dusky acorn]

For many reasons. He leads a faction directly opposing the WG, he probably has a very strong fruit, he has the D. name, he's heavily implied to have Conqeurors haki, he may have some knowledge about the void century here and there. The list goes on

[wide sluice]

Dragon must be a beast. All of this is based of only portrayal, except the D. in his name, and him being the revolutionary leader.

[dark charm]

Is vegapunk actually a revolutionary? is that why Kuma joined him for a bigger plan?

[sturdy hawk]

Quick theory:
Now that Big Mom has summoned a storm with the sky being shadowed by clouds, the next stage will be luffy splitting the sky with a conqueror clash against Kaido

[wide sluice]

vegapunk isnt a revolutionary

[sturdy hawk]

He could be, we don't know

[wide sluice]

under what ground

anything could be

[dark charm]

Kuma is the one who saved the SHs and vegapunk allowed him to

[sturdy hawk]

He has a good sense of morality, he helped Kuma

[wide sluice]

fujitora helped luffy, smoker helped luffy, aokiji helped luffy, it doesnt mean anything

[dark charm]

Also vegapunk seems really liked which is not usual for evil (WG) characters

[wide sluice]

doffy is also liked

[dark charm]

By whom?

[wide sluice]

the community

[dark charm]

I would argue that removing anyone(turning into a toy) who speaks against him is not the same as beeing liked

[civic kindle]

I don't get the sense that he is evil from the way he fulfilled Kuma's request and stooped Caesar from his giant experiment.

[wide sluice]

he is tho, he is the favorite villian and he was voted higher than 4 strawhats in a community poll

[dark charm]

No and from Frankys experience on his home island it seems more like he wants a better future for humantiy

[wide sluice]

so does garp

[dark charm]

yes but garp != WG

[wide sluice]

so does most marines

vegapunk also + wg!

[dark charm]

Yes exactly he is apart of WG

Thats why he might actually be a revol

[wide sluice]

that isnt evidence lol

[dark charm]

No, ofcourse it isn't thats why its a theory and its possible he might be

[wide sluice]

a theory should have backing to it, this counts as a mere guess

[dark charm]

What's the difference between a theory and an educated guess?

[wide sluice]

a theory: is an explanation to an unsolved question proved by evidence.
an educated guess: is a guess that has little to no backing, or evidence.

[dark charm]

If its proved by evidence it's no theory.

Then it's considered fact.

[wide sluice]

what u said isnt evidence, u said he is a revolutionary bcz he helped kuma luffy, even though countless other marines helped him

[dark charm]

No its not definitive evidence, I feel like we go around in circles here

[wide sluice]

no, in a series no, because it might have another explanation that is also proven by a fact, if oda didnt say it then it isnt a fact

[weak arrow]

Yeah Doflamingo is one of the well-liked characters in the series. People love Crocodile as well.

As for Vegapunk being a revolutionary, it's certainly possible. Not like he willingly joined the WG

[pure raven]

A theory is a researched educated guess

[wide sluice]

we know that vegapunk couldnt complete his climate changer in karakuri island because of lack of resources so maybe he joined expand his inventions

u know that thing that was sticking out of the mountain i forgot its exact name

[abstract pond]

I wouldn't be surprised if Vegapunk ends being a D and traitor to the World Government. Specially knowing that Kuma agreed to be weaponized by him.

[little kelp]

I wonder when will we see Vegapunk

[dusky acorn]

Maybe during Kaido's inevitable flashback, if it extends past his time as a Rocks Pirate

Which seems very probable considering Yamato should be playing a part in parts of it

[kind gate]

Shim you think we see god valley here?

[dusky acorn]

God Valley has like a 99% chance of being seen, especially considering it directly ties in to how/when Kaido got his fruit in the first place

[kind gate]

hmmm true

[true flame]

In flashback tho

[nocturne iron]

I want Vega punk to have a mohawk

[sick dune]

if law had stronger haki, could he just throw a rock into the sea and use shambles to sink an opponent

[mild kite]

I dont see why not lol

[craggy pumice]

Yeah, he just needs to be strong enough to overwhelm their haki

[sick dune]

a practically goated df 😩

[pure raven]

Apart from the reducing lifespan with overuse, haki limitations in a sea of haki monsters and the constantly being hunted down by people who want the fruit (which by itself had a hefty pricetag on it), yea it's goated

Room shambles pog

[rose spoke]

What is COC?

[ancient vault]

Color of Conquerors, Conquerors haki

[rose spoke]

Thanks, I had not seen it like that beforw

But I am sure the ashura attack wil be shown to have injured Kaido later on

maybe just before Luffy hits him

[cyan berry]

We already know it injured kaido though

And it barely did anything to him, he's still standing after the attack

[covert hazel]

I wouldn't say barely

[grizzled fog]

I’d say it did like, 10% of his total health maybe?

[solar glade]

that luffy cliffhanger had me thinking about a gear 5 or awakening for next chapter

[eternal kestrel]

no wonder roger and wb clash swords and neither of them touching each other lol

[ancient vault]

for me, luffy completely outshined zoros feat in that chapter. It's still good but like seeing luffy punch kaido around and even sending him flying a bit lmao just showed he's on a different level

[hoary spade]

gear 5 would be the biggest ass pull ever, since luffy just found out about the conquerors haki armor thing, but you never know. an awakening would be pretty cool though.

[solar glade]

i wouldnt want an awakening wano

[hoary spade]

do you guys think that roger has a df? i personally believe that he doesn't since he didn't have the sea stone handcuffs when he was executed but maybe they didnt have that type of technology back then.

[haughty wharf]

No he didn’t have df as oda as say he don’t have df

[weak arrow]

I don’t think Oda ever said that but tbh it’s hard to imagine he could equal WB without a devil fruit

[fluid lava]

Do you guys think luffy’s awakening will give him the properties of a logia like katakuri?

Like the ability to make holes and stuff in himself with the future sight haki and to turn his environment into rubber maybe?

[weak arrow]

So i sort of agree with the first statement but i dont really like the rubber environment one, although lots of people think it'll be that one. The reason I agree with the first statement is I think his awakening will allow him full control over his rubber body. Thus "making holes and stuff in himself" would be possible, although I mostly like it so that he would no longer require haki to use gear 4 because he no longer would need the haki to keep its shape.

[fluid lava]

Idk it could be neither and his awakening could manifest as a gear 5

[ancient vault]

he's just built different

[wide sluice]

i think the reason why wb and roger werent touching each other when they clashed with CoC was because of their will, two wills dont collide kinda like when u take a magnet's positive attraction and another magnet's positive attraction

[wide sluice]

i dont think luffy will get an awakening soon. All the awakened devil fruits we've seen had users that had the df for years. Like Doffy, he had since he was a kid, and he still has it at age 41, also Katakuri, based on his flashback we've seen that he had his df since he was a kid and he is also in his 40s.

[formal quest]

I don't think the series is gonna go till Luffy turns 40 or even 25 😂

[dense wing]

The possibility has gone through my head about there being a minor timeskip after the One Piece is found by Luffy

How long said timeskip would be I have no clue

It would be dope if it was at least a year

But I feel the world at that point would be in too much chaos and that everything would line up soon for the World Government to be taken down

[silver surge]

Yeah I think its possible

[fathom matrix]

Yeah, it may be an age thing. Maybe the fruit's power needs to be ripe or something

And when you've had the fruit for a long time, that's when it really sinks in and works with you, it ripens and then awakens.

[dense wing]

Maybe

[fathom matrix]

DF powers keep bouncing from one user to another, so maybe they need to be stuck in place, for a long time, see if they're not going to just die and never get the chance to awaken, and when they're certain this user isn't going to get axed off, they have time to ripen and really work with the user, then it awakens.

[dense wing]

Maybe not that specifically but Awakening only happening when you have the fruit 10+ years or something could be a thing

We don’t know enough about it yet, so we’ll see what happens

Maybe Kaido will comment on Awakening

[wide sluice]

i didnt say that he's gonna go to 40, i just said that awakened devil fruits have experienced users

thats all i meant

[tawdry bramble]

Luffy has had his fruit since he was a kid

Been 10+ years with it. That seems feasible for him to start unlocking some secrets given how extensively he’s already pushed it.

[mellow mortar]

Wait katakuri has awakened his df?

[tawdry bramble]

Yes that’s confirmed.

[mellow mortar]

When did they tell about this?

That emu guys is pretty sick... Also that huge straw hat at the end of reverie

What do u guys think they are...

[tawdry bramble]

Chapter 882

Straw Hat seems to be a relic of the D’s

Might be able to forecast who’s the greatest threat to you or something along those lines

[ionic wigeon]

Just quoting Roger here...

Roger whilst crying and laughing: JoyBoy, I... Wish that I had lived in the same era as you. Hahahaha How could you leave this stupendous treasure! It's such a funny story

Hey everyone....
Why don't we name this last island
Where no man could reach for 800 years
Something like...

LAUGH TALE!

I think that. The one piece is joyboys legacy

Or something connected to that.

[mellow mortar]

Do u guys think joy boy could be probably be the first devil user?

[ionic wigeon]

Joy boy created them.. perhaps

[mellow mortar]

Roger said one piece was a stupendous treasure

More the story goes in more I wanna know about one piece and all stories

Like backstories of Turnbull sakazuki aokiji

Black beard rocks

Also why is rocks known as lurking legend?

Is he still alive lurking out in the shadows

[pure raven]

Oda will tell their back story

Soon as the story will progress

We can probably get kaido and rocks backstory in wano

If not complete then partial story of rocks

[fringe tide]

I hope we get bits a pieces of rocks story, like here we get how he made kaido join the crew, later own we learn more about rocks bm, then rocks ambitions/part of of his journey/fights

[pure raven]

Yes

[barren fox]

hello everyone, I'm here to give you the spoiler of Go D Usopp, he will come and sniper-shot 2 smile devil fruits into kaido and big mom, instant double kill

[barren fox]

he could do it, wipe your tears and deal with it

[barren fox]

boohoo a theory I do not agree with, must be shitposting, ban ban ban! Grow up kid

[torn isle]

The joke god d usppp is overused and not funny lol ngl

[barren fox]

fact: usopp sniped a small pellet into sugar from 357237527357237523 km away. Also fact: anyone (besides blackbeard) who eats a devil fruit while already having a devil fruit will die, including big mom or kaido. Also fact: his wanted poster says god usopp

I'm waiting for some real arguments besides muh shitposting, muh not funny god usopp

[sand sail]

As semi-serious as that may have been, your attitude certainly isn't appreciated in this case. How about expanding on the premise?

[worldly lance]

theory : Zoro have already slashed/diversed the clouds after the huge attack he made on Kaido. Carrot will turn into Sulong form and PROBABLY turn the tables against to Perospero

[barren fox]

your attitude isn't appreciated either, troll harder. Did you expect me to draw 10 manga pages for you?

[sand sail]

-mute 175983263792234496 10m

[spark hawk]

🔇 Muted llVIU#9679 for 10 minutes

[sand sail]

So let's chill on the attitude, once again

[worldly lance]

HOLY SHIT I THOUGHT I GOT MUTED

[sand sail]

I can understand frustration, but you won't be staying here if that's how you approach every response.

[worldly lance]

but what do you guys think of my theory

[sand sail]

Check the last few pages of this chapter, can we see the sky?

You could be onto something, but I think it'd be more likely that whatever Big Mom is doing will be what actually clears the sky

[worldly lance]

I would argue that it wasn't shown in the manga because there would be too much info

[sand sail]

Since I guess she's doing some wonky things with her storm?

[worldly lance]

I believe that Zeus is about to leave the party tho if that's what you meant

because Prometheus ''hey mama'' or something, and we will probably see a huge buff for Prometheus next chapter or two

WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK

[night jewel]

the cloud thing happens before zoro's attack, he wasnt responsible for it lol

[sand sail]

But also, Perospero is inside by now, right?

Carrot wouldn't be able to get a boost to fight him again unless they blow the roof off of the place

Which would be great, I'd love to see an injured Sulong Inuarashi dunk on Jack again

[worldly lance]

oh damn really, imma re read the last few chapters and come back

[sand sail]

It looks like it's still cloudy by the end of 1010

[worldly lance]

thanks for ze critiscism I shall come back as a better theorist, adios

[sand sail]

I'm sure she'll find some way, she still hates the dude after all

[ancient vault]

@zinc iris is theorizing that Carrot learns to use sulong without the moon

[zinc iris]

I mean there's a theoretical basis, but I think it might be too soon to have it happen the second arc she appears in

[ancient vault]

well it has to be now cause she aint joining

also this was the 3rd

[zinc iris]

zou is so short I almost round it off

also it really seems we're going to have the clouds clear by themselves anyway

either with luffy doing a "yonko clash" with kaido splitting the sky, or with big mom sucking all the clouds in a single mega homie

however, perospero is indoors at the moment so weather is going to be irrelevant in a possible rematch, unless the entire roof collapses

[weak arrow]

The moon shining from the hole in the rooftop is basically guaranteed to happen

[zinc iris]

it seems the hole is too small as the minks indoors could not transform so far
after all they can suppress the transfomation by just having the moon out of sight by covering their eyes with a hat, so getting too much on the side of the hole seems pretty easy to happen

[weak arrow]

That’s because the minks aren’t right where the hole is. Carrot would be right there underneath it where the main fight is occurring

[zinc iris]

the fact that the visibility of the moon for the minks is repeatedly emphasized makes me thing itìs some sort of chekhov's gun, but how it's going to be shot can be resolved in different ways

because clearing the sky and not relying on the moon at all anymore are both ways to address the allusions

[sacred hawk]

You ever look at moments from pre ts and wonder about how toxic the fan base would be if it was airing now

Like in thriller bark

Where we had this moment

Or this moment

[zinc iris]

khalifa

[sacred hawk]

How about when he crossdressed on Kamabakka

[mild kite]

It already happened in Onigishima, and boy some sanji fans were angry

[zinc iris]

well in this arc they are also extremely worried of the show zoro is putting up

[mild kite]

Sanji fans just have to be patient. He will surely have his moment. Hoping for some Mr. prince moments plus a solid 1 v 1 against a commander

[sonic plaza]

He will be fighting either King or Queen for sure

[median abyss]

Sanji will probably end up fighting like 5 different people, since zoro gets a huge spotlight

[mild kite]

I dont think Sanji is supposed to catch up to Zoro's spotlight. Zoro is supposed to have more spotlight this arc.

[rich flax]

https://tenor.com/view/luffy-laughing-one-piece-manga-series-happy-gif-17375943

[sonic plaza]

do you guys know how chapter 1000 is titled "Straw Hat Luffy"
For the rest of the raid, I think that we might get a chapter for each straw hat and their nicknames

• these would specifically focus on that crew member and them doing something big

[cunning fog]

yeah it is a popular theory that oda is gonna do the reverse order of how they disappeared from sabaody pre timeskip, idk how jimbei would fit into that though

[sonic plaza]

i mean. it could still likely happen without the perfect sabaody order

• if it was true, then the next would be Nami (and would likely involve her getting Zeus, and i dont see Zeus leaving BM for next ~5 chapters
• but Zoro will likely be last, because he will need time to recover in order to do something

[dense wing]

Oda can do this but it doesn’t have to be all in Wano

[cunning fog]

Ya know I did not think of it not all being in Wano but that is a good point. If he did do this, the best place Jimebi could get a chapter might be last

[cunning fog]

the Zoro part makes sense, but Zeus is in the box and not with BM so if Nami were to get Zeus that could happen soon

[sonic plaza]

well. BM is likely making a new homie to replace Zeus, and Zeus doesnt want to leave her, but

• once BM is done, then Zeus will prob leave and Nami will find him

[cunning fog]

well zeus can't go anywhere rn anyway, he would have to get out of the box first. so either law shambles or someone takes it apart, although if prometheus has a favor involving zeus, they could try to get the box

[idle meadow]

Inzunma (revolutionary) scissors fruit could cut enma.

[craggy pumice]

[junior cape]

Thinking about it critically, Usopp is pretty fucked right now. He's in a battle that's way out of his league, and he just got hit over the head with a dinosaur+armament haki. Dude is NOT in a good spot right now. If he manages to survive this or better yet win, it'll take a massive twist of fate.

[zinc iris]

actually zeus don't mind leaving BM, but he really isn't allowed to

[mild kite]

Does Zeus die if Big Mom dies?

[terse finch]

Luffy vs Kaido = Luffy mid diff
Kid and Killer vs Linlin = Duo high diff

[terse finch]

I don't think so until his life span runs out

[zinc iris]

we don't know, but I'm inclined to expect it works like moria, and he stated the shadows won't be removed from the zombies by killing him

[terse finch]

That's a good one too and it makes sense, cause the user dying really has nothing to do with the fruit or it's powers. Now if the fruits themselves could be destroyed... That's another matter

[sonic plaza]

I think the homies stay alive,

• cause, the people whose souls were taken are dead, so the souls have nowhere to go
• with Moria, if a shadow was taken, they would be alive
  but we will have to see

[dusky acorn]

He's injured, but he recovered enough that he can keep converting Gifters for their cause. Unless there's some fatal internal bleeding we're not aware of, there's no need to worry about Usopp's case when they have the number advantage over the two Tobi Roppo now, and Zeus in their midst as a power-up for Nami

[grizzled fog]

......mid diff? Seriously?

If he’s at all capable of beating him one on one now it’s gonna take every ounce of strength

[sacred hawk]

Usopp vs. Page One is lowkey one of the battles I'm looking forward to the most

[lost wagon]

Will the straw hats end up having a big fight with the navy (as in vs the three admirals)

[pure raven]

I think Luffy is going to surpass Kaido and defeat him in combat, but Zoro will be the one to kill him and the reason is going to have something to do with protecting the capital. Kaido will probably rage out cause he can't do anything against Luffy and turn back into full dragon and start damaging stuff and bring Onigashima closer to the capital then Zoro will jump in.

though i wonder if Rocks D Xebec is going to show up like everyone has predicted due to Oda's comment

[dense wing]

Lurking legend is the alliance of BM and Kaido, which is representation or second coming of Rocks as Sengoku said

[sonic plaza]

i guess its pretty easy to guess that Nami's powerup will be Zeus,

• but, that would only really be enough to rival 1 Tobi Roppo, Ulti likely
• so, i really wanna see Usopp get a new power-up/ability (to fight Page One). Maybe finally getting control over Observation Haki would be cool
• Although Tama is with them and has a plan, I dont really know if Nami (w/ Zeus), Current Usopp, and her can win, so yeah

[dense wing]

Usopp and Nami are going to get everything they need to win, they aren’t in immense danger

Usopp may get another CoO moment

[pearl compass]

Zoro X Robin for life :3

[terse finch]

I have a bad feeling he's going to pull out G4, and people will still low-ball G4 even though he's using CoC with his attacks

Meaning it'll be a lot of "haha he couldn't beat Kaido with base and still needed G4" even though G4 is hella OP right now. And if Luffy uses it, it's just to flex.

Besides, it's also not like Kaido is just going to roll over and lose, so he might need G4, but at this juncture I think if he uses it right now it's just to flex, what I really hope happens is he beats Kaido rn, saves G4, then uses Big Mom as the CoC G4 punching bag as he Kid Killer 1v3 her.

[cedar sinew]

literally no one will say that

coating CoC isn't something unique to Luffy, all the top fighters can do it, including Kaido. Going G4 on top of new coating is like, completely necessary if Luffy wants to have any chance of winning

[pure raven]

coating in conqueror's haki may allow him to maintain the form

he may end up looking a bit different... like blown up muscles with a shanks like glow but not the shininess of the armament haki.. then he can add his armament haki directly to where he wants to use it at instead of having it all over his body

[grizzled fog]

Whats “a shanks like glow”?

[pure raven]

anime shenanigans 😄

that red lightning effect they do

[pure raven]

God I can’t wait for the next chapter

[terse finch]

It's exclusive to a select few tho.... Ask Kaido.

[cedar sinew]

yeah that's what I said

top fighters = select few

[pure raven]

I wonder who the others are shanks for sure

[grizzled fog]

I think of living characters it’s only kaido, BM, shanks, and luffy

I could see dragon having it, and if my headcanon of Greenbull having coc as well comes true, he might. Also kid is totally learning it down the line

[gloomy canyon]

Interesting to hear your reasoning for why you think Green Bull has CoC Vem lol. Based off the page he was in, I didn't really get any sort of hint at that

[dense wing]

Green Bull’s introduction and reveal may honestly be a highlight of post-Wano, an admiral is almost always hype

It will finally be good to see whether the plant theorists are correct or not

I doubt we’ll have Greenbull’s reveal and not see his devil fruit

[grizzled fog]

Honestly. I don’t have much. I just feel like one of the admirals excluding sengoku should have it, and I think Greenbull will be set apart from the rest slightly.

It’s more of a want. I don’t have any real evidence

[tacit sky]

100% conquerors gear 4 is going to lead to a new form

[mild kite]

The admiral that will get or already has Coc is Akainu

[errant nova]

What’re the odds of Yamato joining the crew

She def wants to

[gloomy canyon]

decently high at this point

[dense wing]

I’d say Yamato’s chances of joining the crew are high due to her character’s focus on being Oden, and on freedom from Wano, which she relates to him with

Yamato has read Oden’s journal and has clearly felt his love for the outside world and the adventures he had, and would probably want to experience that herself. She also knows that Oden traveled with the Pirate King, Gold Roger, and that he and Luffy has spoken the same words as their personal dream

She has a strong likelihood of travelling with the Straw Hats after Wano just like Oden did, especially because she may come to believe that Luffy will truly become the Pirate King

[frank heron]

agreed

[sonic plaza]

What if Ryokugyu has the water logia (if there is one)

• that would explain how he beat Sabo (water puts out fire)

[versed hamlet]

nah

[mild kite]

Oda covered Shanks left eye in chapter 0 as to not reveal to the readers whether he had the scar back then. In the anime, toei just blatantly shows his whole face. We can see he doesn't have the scar. Loei or they got some inside info?

[dusky acorn]

A similar topic such as this was discussed in #manga. The consensus the few of us came to is that for one, it's already known how character designs for things such as official colours are handed over to the anime staff team so they know what to work with. This means it isn't a stretch for them to have gotten the exact character designs on how these younger characters were supposed to look like during Roger's execution from Oda. Leaning on Toei for confirmation on Shanks' eye not being scarred and Mihawk having had Yoru for example is fine, it's better than nothing at least

[mild kite]

Thanks for the run-down

[brave silo]

i dont know why people think that conqueror's haki is a power which only chosen characters or characters inherit them from other main characters. It literally means willpower and the ones who have enough willpower to be at the top of their game have CoC

so most probably mihawk and garp and maybe akainu has it too.

[ancient vault]

The general rule tho is: If the anime contradicts the manga --> the manga is the only true source

[dusky acorn]

Of course, the manga always overrides anything the anime has to say as far as design choices go, if any discrepancy ever does come up

[dusky acorn]

I agree with Mihawk and Akainu, but Garp seems less likely based on what was said at Marineford

When Luffy unleashed his Conqeurors, everyone was only comparing him to Dragon due to having that power. No one mentioned even a word about Garp

[pure raven]

I think ussop is going to be the most powerful being in one piece

anyone else ?

[dusky acorn]

I'm heavily questioning your authenticity on this statement so I'll ask you not to carry on further nor should anyone else get into that discussion about Usopp in here.

[pure raven]

Why ?

[ancient vault]

Bravest doesnt mean strongest

[pure raven]

Nah bro strongest easily

[dusky acorn]

Usopp can grow stronger of course, but he's obviously not going to be the strongest person ever. You're clearly not serious about this, so let's put a lid on it

[pure raven]

Do u sit inside of ur mums basement ?

[idle meadow]

Enma also brought out Oden’s haki during his attacks.

[delicate tapir]

I think your right. We already saw Zoro behead the dragon on vegapunk island. I think it is foreshadowing

[mild kite]

It didn't. It's Zoros own haki.

[north geyser]

I think gear 5 will be based on CoC

[night lava]

My theory is that since oden used haki almost every time on his swords, it marked a permanent flow of haki in there, like a river where even if water is absent if water flows to it again it will stay on the same path, thats maybe why kaido thought "oden's haki" is in the sword

[wide sluice]

no it wasnt oden's haki, enma sucks out the users haki allowing them to utilize ryou thats why he can cut kaido, so ina sense if u dont have strong willpower u cannot use enma

[gilded wagon]

Love the way this was worded

[pure raven]

Could barrier-barrier fruit protect from any haki attack?

[dark palm]

yeah

[pure raven]

that's too fcking op

there must be some limit to how long bartolomeo can keep it

[ancient vault]

as long as his fingers are crossed

You can still push the barrier tho so technically you could crush him inside

[tired osprey]

It has a limit but it seems pretty big

He couldnt create any more barriers after making a long barrier staircase for robin

But honestly, given how haki van withstand laws fruit, it wouldnt surprise me if haki worked against the barriers

[pure raven]

how couldnt oden break it tho?

[terse finch]

Not only the anime, but databooks and vivre cards as well.

[ancient vault]

Barto wouldve blocked the attack that almost killed zoro

[pure raven]

his df will be crucial in the big war

[tired osprey]

Would like to see kaido or big mom tank a king’s punch

[pastel summit]

would like to see them get knocked out by it

[tired osprey]

Damn elizabello is cool

[kind gate]

They can’t

[terse finch]

Bartos fruit might be one of the best utility DFs in the series.

I hope we see him and the Straw Hat Fleet again soon.

[pure raven]

i also think it will be very important in the wars to come

probably saves lives

That fruit is strong af

[tawdry bramble]

Being able to use it offensively as well gives it even more benefit.

Imagine it being awakened and turning everything you want to protect into barriers.

[terse finch]

Just summon barriers out of the walls and the ground to protect teammates, Barto's the ultimate support.

[pure raven]

Rubber World and Barrier World

[terse finch]

Good luck to all the martial artists out there lol, kick, punch to your heart's content

[dire oasis]

Imagine Luffy but with fish man karate

[sonic plaza]

imagine someone like roger with 300 shadows

[terse finch]

Jinbe should've taught him, I was always sad he didn't.

At least a "hey Luffy, try this"

[dire oasis]

Yes

[terse finch]

GOMU GOMU NOOOO..... KING KONG DRILL

Internal haki attacks with CoC that also use the moisture in your body

[gloomy latch]

I like how Elbaf is Fable reversed

[humble thicket]

i smell a new gear being revealed with this new form of conqueror's haki ...... gear 5th ? maybe...

[crystal falcon]

Does he create a wall or can he recreate anything?

[terse finch]

It's a barrier, barto makes walls it seems(also if you're really curious here just read this https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Bari_Bari_no_Mi it'll save me time from describing it's actual uses and it'll describe it much better than I would.)

He previous user did something more akin to a sphere I'm not sure what else though.

[crystal falcon]

Previous user?

Ok thank you

[terse finch]

Current user is first, that's barto.

[crystal falcon]

Ik who he is I don’t know his powers

[terse finch]

See how one is a wall, barto can also make his into stairs, but Semimaru only used a sphere barrier

[crystal falcon]

Senimaru used the fruit first?

How’d he die?

[terse finch]

Yes. That's from the Oden flashback.

[terse finch]

Old age probably, and I'm only saying that cause it's theories.

[crystal falcon]

Hm..Ok thank you for this information

[last halo]

We don't know how he died

[terse finch]

Yes I'm aware, hence why I said probably and said #manga-theories

[amber oar]

Given his ability old age is the most likely

[grim stone]

He was confident on Oden not being able to break through the barrier

[halcyon sleet]

Onigashima

[grim stone]

Would that require ridiculous amounts of haki for someone to break through a Barrier?
Or what we are see in flashback is an advanced haki infused barrier hence its strong.

[halcyon sleet]

possibly one of the biggest if not the biggest creature we know of

beside Thriller Bark Shadow :3

[terse finch]

If Oden could cut Kaido but he confidently said never through the barrier..

[pure raven]

Did Oden try to use haki to break the barrier?

[terse finch]

You could assume he did man, there's nothing suggesting he didn't, look at how panicked Orochi was, and look at how confident Semimaru was.

But take it with a grain of salt... This is all just theories.

[zinc iris]

haki would make your attack stronger but qualitatively not different for the purpose of breaking the barrier

so it moves the question to: is there a force big enough that it can overpower the barrier?

anyway the barrier still has some weaknesses, like sonic attacks can pass and the user needs to leave a hole open to not suffocate

[weary cliff]

It's a misconception that haki hurting logias means that haki counters all DF powers

[zinc iris]

also advanced armament might pass on the inside

but that's just bypassing the barrier rather than breaking it

[grim stone]

Oden was a Ryou user, how come the barrier was immune to someone like Oden's strength

which made it seem odd at that moment.

[visual merlin]

he may not have had that technique that forces the haki inside

[zinc iris]

how deep could he really go? like, can he use advanced armamente one metre past the point of contact?

[grim stone]

Could Barrier fruit be a natural enemy for haki?

[zinc iris]

also ryou is armament haki in general, not just the advanced variety

[visual merlin]

it's a natural enemy for almost anything

[zinc iris]

it's just a local name like mantra for observation

[visual merlin]

btw yea it can go pretty far

[grim stone]

Wait, ryou should be more than basic haki, why wouldn't it be advanced? You could say Ryou is the base within Advanced Armament.

[kind gate]

Prolly 2 feet or something

[visual merlin]

the word ryou in the story is just armament in general

but fans often use it to refer to advanced armament

[kind gate]

Yes

[grim stone]

I agree with the naming, but the usage here is related to the flow of armament, not just imbueing/covering in general

Hence why i placed it as the base level for Advanced, on which you can expand later

[zinc iris]

likely depends how good the user is

also they stayed far enough from the barrier, oden was not in the right state of mind, also didn't expect a barrier to show up

[visual merlin]

didn't seem like he got through at all anyway

either the technique doesn't work or Oden didn't have it

[zinc iris]

the barrier was a surprise

it's not like he went in using an advanced armament trick expecting he needed it against fucking orochi

[visual merlin]

you did not just post that

[kind gate]

Lmao

This is based mostly on headcanon Ripi and is probably not the way Oda views it

[grim stone]

I agree

[dusty mulch]

I think there is a devil fruit which has power like dimension change or place changing ability

[grim stone]

also with Conqueror's coating, i would think its only achievable if one has control over advanced armament.

and that wouldn't be advanced conqueror, that would just be something within advanced armament itself.

[terse finch]

I think yes and no, it does more than beat Logias, Zoans lose to haki too, ask Kaido.

[zinc iris]

that one too fucks up the ryou terminology

[grim stone]

yeah, not going by the skill tree, wanted to use it as a placeholder to work on but won't work that way now.

[dense wing]

Doubt it, because Kaido doesn’t seem to know Advanced armament

And uses Advanced CoC

[eternal garden]

My theory about one piece is "one piece" is the world in which everything is connected. every islands like you cannot cross sea to cross this nation not like now that every island is really really far away. and That the all blue is when the world didn't break apart like what i said everything is connected. there is only one sea and that is the all blue, because everything is in one piece.

[fathom matrix]

That was a theory.

[pure raven]

How’s Enel not in the CoO section rip

[fathom matrix]

Yaknow, looking back, it made sense why luffy was knocked out from kaido's first Thunder Bagua. Not just because it was a strong attack, but because we was getting directly hit with Conquerors that was stronger than his, or because it was just conquerors with a lot of extra force added.

[eternal garden]

It would be because he clearly got hit and it's really powerful. In game it is what they called "critical hit"

[lyric dust]

wano citizens call haki (all types) ryuo, but the community uses that term to describe the advanced application of armament haki luffy had been learning during his stay at udon

[sonic plaza]

do you guys really think Oda is gonna end OP in 4-5 years

[light python]

yeah

[mild kite]

1300 chapters imo

[light python]

maybe 5-6 years

[zealous grail]

I know people don't like Buggy theories since not many people want to take it seriously but I have a theory and a few others also talked about this... Captain John's treasure may hold the last Road Poneglyph and so Luffy will need Buggy's help to reach Laugh Tale and find the One Piece because Buggy has Captain John's Treasure Mark. It would explain why Luffy had that seemingly stupid little treasure, Buggy's motivation and it would also give closure to Buggy who got to sick at sea to accompany Roger on his final journey.

Plus it explains why Buggy keeps coming back even though he's so weak XD

[dense wing]

The One Piece name is bad to theorize with because it was just a name the WG/news used for Roger’s treasure

[dense wing]

Kaido only used CoC coating with Ragnarok, not Bagua

[dense wing]

I believe this as well

We’ll probably hear more from both Buggy and more about Captain John, since he’s a Rock pirate

His treasure having the last Poneglyph would be dope

[zealous grail]

Precisely like The Rocks pirates were just name dropped so there's gotta be more related. For instance the other Rocks Pirates that we've never seen, Silver Axe and Ochoku could be on that island or we might encounter them somewhere else. Xebec is said to be dead but that's a twist that can always be used though I don't think that would be likely. I also would like to see a canon arc with Shiki (cuz movies are non-canon)

[dense wing]

I think Shiki is done in canon

Rocks himself who knows, but I think we’ll learn more about him as we learn about BB, since he seems to idolize Xebec

Personally I think Xebec is dead

And we’ll learn about his death in Kaido flashback

[zealous grail]

So the wiki also states that Bagua uses conqueror's haki. Do you know where it says that it doesn't?

Also that'd be a shame but you know they could do it like DBZ where they made movies but then just added the movie content into the show and made it different

[dense wing]

Luffy states in chapter that “that last hit from that club.... I get it now. You can coat in CoC right?”

It was specifically the Ragnarok he just got hit by

I’d pull up the panel but I’m busy rn

[zealous grail]

He understands now he said. That doesn't mean that Bagua didn't have CoC. It just means that Luffy finally understands that CoC can be used.

[dense wing]

It could be interpreted that way, sure

Just make opinions based off manga panels and not wiki is all I ask lol

[lyric dust]

would captain johns treasure mark point to the currently missing poneglyph or the "speculated" wano poneglyph

[amber oar]

The missing one I guess

[pure raven]

Kaido is from the distant past right?
-knows the old Kozuki family somehow
-several ancient Zoans in his crew
-has King who’s from a long extinct race

[polar bison]

no kaidou is like 50. he’s a normal human

[lyric dust]

something called stories/tales, don't know if that came to your mind while writing this

or he could've just been talking about like, what oden was like before he started dancing in the flower capital

because old can be referring to anything in the past

[ancient vault]

But he doesnt have any interest in that. He stated that when he cut orochis head

[lyric dust]

[ancient vault]

But I also disagree with what hes getting at. I posted this some time ago but I think Kaido mightve been from Wano

[lyric dust]

also the ancient zoan and king things do not automatically mean that he's from the distant past

its certainly interesting, but i mean, who knows, they could've all just came to him or something like that

[pure raven]

@ancient vault 👀

oh damn it you're already here

[lusty swift]

What are the current theories as to what the main talk of the Reverie is?

[sturdy hawk]

We already know, warlord abolition

[sonic plaza]

they will prob also start talking about the current events at Wano soon, as CP-0 is watching everything and could report it
(they also might be using Observation Haki to literally watch everything that happens

[terse finch]

This isn't exactly right, because Ryou is a swordsman technique

[terse finch]

Haki is always good to have vs DF users. There's stipulations for every ability, haki is a blanket check 9/10 times.

CoC attacks to damage Zoans and negate their durability. CoA to damage Logias, and just having haki in general sometimes allows you to straight up negate some Paramecia abilities, ask Law.

This is my theory anyway...

[lyric dust]

yeah none of it is right, literally all just headcanon

artur and his god damn "haki skill tree ", smh

[kind gate]

[zealous grail]

I like that theory in a way but wouldn't that make Zoan way too OP. Like CoA has to damage Zoans too. CoC is just for maybe mythical/ancient types or Zoans with CoA

[zealous grail]

No

I don't want to see that dumb meme again XD

[pure raven]

yes

[zealous grail]

@pure raven Actually Jinbe's hair is black, he has white in his eyes, his innards are red. So he can't be all blue

[pure raven]

sad

[dusky acorn]

While CP0 will be reporting things, it won't be in relation to the Reverie since it's already over. I expect Brannew to be the most explaining the marines newly obtained info during the next interlude, just like 957 and many other instances with him, like Luffy's first bounty

[terse finch]

I don't know, I mean Kaido.

But CoA is invisible armor with lots of applications.

CoO seems to only see into the future or increase your perception, divine sense if you will.

But apparently CoC can be used in tandem with CoA or something like that? While CoO hasn't been shown to have any interaction at all.

[whole jewel]

Did they ever reveal Urouge's parents?

Cause honestly if that's the case where we don't know, I think Urouge might be a Charlotte.

[dusky acorn]

We don't know, but by sheer basis of his race being that of the sky, it's pretty easily inferred he comes from sky people. Not that I expect his exact parents to ever be revealed

[whole jewel]

I mean that fits Big Mom's goal

[zealous grail]

Urouge fought Charlotte Snack and was later defeated by Cracker as well. I don't think he's related to Big Mom

[whole jewel]

Well that's my point, we don't know what his motive was for fighting the Big Mom pirates. There have been children who revolted against Big Mom before

[zealous grail]

If he was, he probably would have been born in the New World in Totto Land and wouldn't even have been in Paradise

[whole jewel]

Do we know that Rocks never went to Paradise for sure?

[dusky acorn]

Oh right, Urouge is one of the only WG members we don't know his surname for. In that case, I suppose he may have just been an orphan on the sky island he was from, which is speculated to be Birka by his wings

[zealous grail]

That's true. But do you really think they would honestly pick a fight with Big Mom?

[whole jewel]

Yeah I do. Say he was abandoned on the sky island by Big Mom.

we really don't know but I wanted to confirm the possibility that he could be a Charlotte.

[dusky acorn]

Thing is, Urouge is 47 and Big Mom is 63. As far as her being his parent goes, that doesn't really work. Maybe some other relation, but any familial tie is hugely unlikely

I do think his voyage to Toland will be expanded on, but not in that type of way. I like to think he went there on Blackbeard's orders or something

[cedar sinew]

a lot of supernova fight big mom naturally as a yonko. Pretty weak reason

[whole jewel]

Yeah I had not known the little age gap

[zealous grail]

Kid even sank one of Big Mom's ships. Supernovas tend to just want to challenge Yonko's for fame etc.

[gloomy canyon]

Urouge, Kid, Apoo, Bege, and Luffy all entered Totland. And Big Mom is 68 btw. I much prefer the theory that Urouge is connected to Blackbeard

[zealous grail]

Also does anyone know why Enel doesn't have wings? Cuz he's Birkan right? So he should have the bigger wings

[dusky acorn]

Oh, thanks for the correction

Because he replcaed them with that big drum ring on his back

[zealous grail]

Wait is that canon or headcanon?

[dusky acorn]

It's the most likely conclusion considering the ornament is connected on his back exactly where his wings would have been. I highly doubt he just wasn't born with any

[whole jewel]

wait

[sonic plaza]

do you guys think that CP-0 is using Observation Haki to spy on the Wano war and will know who falls and by who

[gloomy canyon]

I don’t think it was ever confirmed whether or not they were torn off, but in my headcanon they were somehow torn off (whether by himself or someone else) and they yeah, he replaced them with those raijin drum things

[kind gate]

How is the advanced arnament used in swords I don’t get it

[whole jewel]

Perospero is 50? Is that right?

[gloomy canyon]

Same way it’s used in fists. Swords are just extensions of the user

[zealous grail]

I don't think their Observation Haki is that advanced. Future Sight especially one that could surpass that of Katakuri (because Luffy's hasn't yet imo) is rare and difficult to obtain

[gloomy canyon]

Yes

[kind gate]

So it cuts without touching or it just helps with cutting I guess

[zealous grail]

By Advanced do you mean the emission technique that Luffy is currently using?

[whole jewel]

Then the age diff wouldn't matter that much

[kind gate]

Not the internal the emission yes

[zealous grail]

I believe in the anime Hyogoro said that it allows the swordsman to cut even through steel and to not cut what they don't want

So if a swordsman chooses not to cut paper, the paper will not be cut

[sonic plaza]

i mean, Observation Haki like Enel's and Fuji's. Not seeing into the future, but just being aware of everything that is going on.

[kind gate]

Hyogoro used the same definition as Zoros sensei¿

[paper mountain]

Can’t wait for wano’s next part. It 100% gotta be about zoro. The Shimutsuki clan. “Shimutsuki” is a clan from the village in wano, and is the same name for a city in the east blue... where zoro is from. Also there is speculation and the time line adds up where zoros father was odens rival/friend and zoros grandfather is ryuma!

Odas foreshadow>

[zealous grail]

Wouldn't that only show the present then? Like they won't know who will fall or anything until it happens. But they would see it happen from afar if that's what you mean

[sonic plaza]

yes, only the present

[cedar sinew]

yeah it's a reference

[gloomy canyon]

Grandfather? Ryuma died centuries ago, how could he be Zoro’s grandfather?

[kind gate]

Ah I see thank you

Odens rival¿

[sonic plaza]

Basically, like Enel used to spy on everyone on Skypeia at once

[zealous grail]

Then maybe. It depends on which officers of CP-0 are there. Because while we see haki a lot now, haki is something that required a lot of training and not everyone can obtain it

[gloomy canyon]

Enel’s DF helped with that for a much wider range. Probably the widest ever range we’ve seen

[zealous grail]

We know Lucci, Kaku and a few others from CP-9 who are now part of CP-0 are with the celestial dragons during Reverie. There's no reason to suspect that they aren't still there

[sonic plaza]

I mean. You have to have Haki to be a Vice Admiral.
So, I would only assume that the WG would also require haki to be in the strongest Cipher Pol group

[kind gate]

It was the coolest ability tbh

[paper mountain]

No one ever said he died centuries ago and could we both agree that he is definitely his descendant?

[zealous grail]

I think (and this is a theory now) but some of CP-0 are hunting for Sabo and others because of some order from Imu to either kill Vivi or something. This is based on the theory that Sabo is framed for killing King Cobra when it was in fact CP-0 that did so and Sabo saved Vivi and is hiding her with the R.A.

[gloomy canyon]

It did say he died centuries ago, and no I’m not willing to agree that Zoro is related to him.

[kind gate]

Enel is actually very resourceful and with good enough arnament could rival some first commanders I think

[sonic plaza]

basically, the haki let him sense the locations of everything
but, his fruit helped him hear better

[paper mountain]

U got me, but u don’t see the resemblance?

Between him and zoro?

[zealous grail]

Not necessarily... They could just have CoA or something (CP-0 that is). Cuz we know CP-9, it's top officers mastered the Rokushiki but not everybody in that organization mastered all forms of it. There was that one dude that Franky fought on top of the train.

Also just because they have CoO that doesn't meant they can use it in the way you have described (constantly active). A lot of people use CoO to see what action will affect them personally

Also remember Spandem is a member of CP-0. He was also the leader of CP-9. He is weak af

[gloomy canyon]

My theory is that he’s from the void century. I’ll make a longer in depth theory on that one of these days. And there definitely is a connection between Zoro and Ryuma. Doesn’t mean Zoro has to be related or be a Shimotsuki. I won’t say it’s impossible but Zoro being friends with Kuina who is the granddaughter of Kozaburo Shimotsuki makes me believe that Zoro isn’t one himself. His lineage may be from Wano in some way tho.

[whole jewel]

Honestly as a zoro fan, I just gotta say I rather him not have crazy parents like luffy and sanji but I don't think it's out of the question.

[gloomy canyon]

I can definitely see his lineage stemming from Wano in some way. But when people suspect Zoro is from Wano, they instantly shoot for him being a Shimotsuki which isn’t necessarily the case.

[whole jewel]

I feel his whole character arc is persevering through hardship and putting in hard work to earn his strength rather than inheriting it.

[zealous grail]

I feel that. I kind of would like it if Zoro was just the descendant of a normie samurai. Nothing special. But Zoro's own effort made the difference between him and his ancestors

[whole jewel]

But yeah he has had ties to wano for a while in the story whether or not family related.

[zealous grail]

Indeed. It's also kind of interesting how a lot of the famed blades we encountered (not all) but many of them are from Wano

[whole jewel]

Well wano is a country that has been untouched and left to develop for centuries so i believe it's only natural.

[zealous grail]

Wano also made the Poneglpyhs and everything. To be honest, I feel as though after the whole fight Zoro might learn more about making the black blades and actually make one black blade

[whole jewel]

Well his next milestone is forging Enma into a black blade

[zealous grail]

Now he has three swords with purpose.

Wado Ichimonji: Kuina's sword that he can't relinquish as it represents the promise between them
Sandai Kitetsu: The sword he got at Loguetown. It's not the "best blade" that the owner had since that one rusted but it's one where the blade chose him
Enma: The cursed sword of Oden that Zoro wants to forge into a black blade

I don't think he'll replace those swords

[paper mountain]

I believe his father is ushimaru shimutsuki... the reason I believe that is because 1 it wouldn’t make sense for Oda to not put relevancy in one of the big characters of the straw hat crew. 20 years ago ushimura also got out of power and was deceased and zoro is 19 the timeline does add up for that to be his son. He probably migrated to the east blue with his mom. Also on top of that in the manga/anime we see the upper part of his face shaded and by the looks of zoros jawline/chin and Uchimuras, believe me it’s so similar. I’m wondering why are we seeing this guy and why is he getting screen time it has to be for a reason. Zoros father is ushimura shimutsuki

[dense wing]

I think Sandai could potentially be replaced, but 100% Wado and Enma are part of the final lineup

[fluid lava]

Do you think the emperor system will be completely abandoned after big mom and kaido are taken down

[grizzled fog]

Yea it should cease to exist

[fluid lava]

Or do you think it will remain and luffy and someone else will take their place

[grizzled fog]

It won’t remain in place with two yonko gone

[fluid lava]

Do you think some other title will replace it?

Cause like they’ve always had titles for specific groups like the yonko were the prime candidates for pirate king

[grizzled fog]

I think they’ll just be great pirates, and there might be a few more than just four biggins

[fluid lava]

I think after this it’ll just be luffy black beard and shanks who are the strongest pirates

If luffy matches kaido or surpasses him those two would be the only ones who can go toe to toe with him

[grizzled fog]

Well he won’t match or surpass kaido this arc

[fluid lava]

if luffy gets that strong I think black beard will receive another devil fruit or power up

[grizzled fog]

I don’t think BB needs a powerup

[fluid lava]

He’s weaker than kaido and big mom right now isn’t he?

[grizzled fog]

Maybe, we don’t know

Probably a little bit

[fluid lava]

Well luffy is already strong enough to beat the shit out of kaido on his own right now and do damage and he always gets a lot stronger during fights learning his opponents weakness and tricks so I think he’s just gonna keep improving

If he can learn future sight in the fight with katakuri and gain advanced conquers after being hit with it like 3 times he has the potential to genuinely beat kaido by the end

[dense wing]

At the very least I believe BB is doing something that will make his bounty increase

[grizzled fog]

Oh yea totally

[dense wing]

I think the Yonko system goes down soon and basically the Marines will just admit that the Worst Generation rules the seas

[fluid lava]

If luffy is getting exponentially stronger in wano rn and possibly even stronger in like elbaf I think BB will need some level of buff before they have their fight in the end

[dense wing]

Or at least the New World

Shanks will be the last remaining non-WG

And I believe he’ll be taken down by BB after meeting Luffy

So Morgan’s prediction then comes true that the ones in the running for PK are the Worst Generation

[dense wing]

Doubt Elbaf is a huge fighting arc

[fluid lava]

Maybe but hey you never know maybe they have to fight a legendary giant or something it’s the island where big mom came from so there’s probably extremely strong individuals there

[dense wing]

Elbaf will be focused on what Hajrudin wants to do

Uniting the giant tribes

Possibly taking down Loki

Hajrudin becomes King of the Giants and then the Straw Hats have the greatest army in the world on their side

For Final War

[fluid lava]

Maybe it’ll set up the fight with the world government

[dense wing]

That’ll be set up by the One Piece itself and the Joy Boy flashback

[fluid lava]

Yeah I definitely think there will be a whole World government war arc after the one piece is found tbh

It seems to be setting it up that the one piece isn’t where the journey really ends we could end up with marineford part 2

[dense wing]

Ye, the community just calls it Final War, the War Doffy was referring to

The war that will make MF look small

[fluid lava]

MF is already starting to look small

[dense wing]

Wano is close but I think in terms of scale MF is still bigger

It just doesn’t seem that way since we can’t see the Haki

[fluid lava]

Bro I can’t wait until onigashima is animated with all the haki auras and affects and the new animation style

[dense wing]

The rooftop is going to look amazing animated

Toei better do it right

If they animate it well, it’ll probably become the best fight of One Piece, and one of the best in anime in general

[fluid lava]

I mean look what they did with the fight between roger and whitebeard it was a brief moment but they poured their heart and soul into it

[dense wing]

Ye, it was good

The Roger flashback got the anime community more hype about One Piece, which is always good

[fluid lava]

That flashback when I first read it was so hype and informative it felt like one piece was really closer than ever to the end like they were hinting directly at what the one piece was

[dense wing]

Them playing Memories at the end of them finding the One Piece got me very nostalgic and sad

Toei did well

[fluid lava]

Yeah the one piece anime is better than ever and onigashima is probably gonna blow everyone away

But yeah the worst generation will probably just replace the yonko at this point

[dense wing]

Yeah after Wano the Worst Generation rule the New World

[fluid lava]

Morgan’s will also hype up luffy as the one who took down the yonko

[grizzled fog]

Thankfully morgans shouldn’t be able to totally twist this story

[fluid lava]

I mean he honestly doesn’t need to luffy is the main player in this battle I think he’ll end up doing enough to deserve like a solid majority of the credit

[grizzled fog]

For defeating kaido? Sure, but not if big mom also goes down

Kid will likely be the main contributor to her fall

[sonic plaza]

Luffy's bounty will be prob 3.5b if the gov figures out that the SH pirates have 3 road poneglyphs in addition to taking out Kaido

[fluid lava]

Honestly yeah I can see luffy taking down kaido on his own in a 1v1 but I think zoro and law will take down big mom in the end

[grizzled fog]

You think zoro and law are gonna jump in to steal credit from kid?

Lol zoro is not in condition for a yonko

[fluid lava]

I think zoro or law will be the ones to actually kill big mom

[sonic plaza]

Kid and Jinbe imo

[terse finch]

I was just reading pins...

[fluid lava]

Like deliver the finishing blow I think zoro or law will do it

[ember matrix]

I don't think anyone will kill BM

[grizzled fog]

People really don’t want kid to get anything huh

[fluid lava]

I think she sort of has to die at this point in the story so does kaido even more so

[sonic plaza]

zoro wont fight BM. but i think he will kill Kaido after Luffy beats him up

[fluid lava]

That’s also a possibility

I don’t see luffy actually killing anyone other than akainu

[terse finch]

Look man, let's think about how much Big Mom actually contributed to the fight other than the combo attack, she really just followed Luffy to retire faster if you ask me.

[fluid lava]

If luffy doesn’t just fucking end akainu I won’t be satisfied he or sabo have to do it

[ember matrix]

Kid + Killer vs BM , Luffy (+ Yamato) vs Kaido, both yonko have taken a beating so with some more shuffling a luck this is possible

I just want law to do something comparable if Kid and Luffy face yonko

[grizzled fog]

I anticipate Hawkins joining BM, I’d add

[terse finch]

I think it'll be Sabo, I really hope rubber doesn't beat lava no matter how good his haki is.

[sonic plaza]

I have a feeling that Killer might get knocked out or something

• cause I cant see the raid going perfect

[ember matrix]

Yeah, I definitely see more people shuffling in and out of these fights

[sonic plaza]

then maybe Jinbe can help after beating Who's Who (who will likely be the first Tobi Roppo to fall cause Jinbe is 4th strongest)

[fluid lava]

I mean doesn’t his armament let him hit akainu because it works on logia’s

[terse finch]

Yes.

[fluid lava]

So why wouldn’t he be able to beat akainu?

[terse finch]

It should also protect him from the heat, or at least help protect him anyway.

I mean, can you name a character Sakazuki hasn't punched a hole through?

[sonic plaza]

advanced CoC can deflect any magma

[fallow knot]

I think Dragon will do it because he has so much hate for dragon

[terse finch]

And rubber is supposed to be an exception?

[fluid lava]

I want it to be luffy and sabo together against akainu at some point tbh

[sonic plaza]

luffy or sabo. no others

[fallow knot]

Lol

[terse finch]

Together is cool too, anything other than Luffy 1v1.

[sonic plaza]

actually, maybe garp too. we will see

[terse finch]

If Luffy 1v1s I'll understand, and accept it. But I'll still be salty lol.

[fallow knot]

U r saving dragon for imu😂

[fluid lava]

The whole monkey family and sabo would be nice

[ember matrix]

Yeah, some players need to drop and Killer's a good option since I don't think the SHs (zoro, sanji, nami, usopp), scabbards and law are getting more beatings during the raid since they've already been hurt once

[fluid lava]

Although that would be overkill

No one stands a chance against luffy+dragon+garp+sabo all at the same time

[sonic plaza]

maybe chopper or usopp tbh

[fallow knot]

It will be good for imu but Don't give akainu tht much respect.

[sonic plaza]

also. i think marco should be the one to kill BB (if marco stays alive at the time 😦 )

[fluid lava]

Akainu honestly doesn’t seem that strong anymore I think we’re way past the admirals at this point with the yonko

[sonic plaza]

akainu and aokiji are probably both stronger than current luffy

[ember matrix]

Chopper I could see especially since he could get his big moment post raid by curing the smiles, usopp hasn't had his moment yet and already got beaten once so I think he should be safe (but it'll still be his hardest fight ever)

[fluid lava]

At least the admirals individually

[fluid lava]

Maybe at the moment but by the end of wano I’m not so sure I see luffy getting a massive buff in the near future

[sonic plaza]

true. I mean, Oda is not really going to go with the likely outcome and instead pull a big surprise on us

• I feel like Luffy's next powerup could be totally unexpected
• also, the straw hats' bounties will likely be very unexpected too

[fluid lava]

I mean the expectations for their bounty are wildly inconsistent and all over the place so I’d say someone will have had to have been right about it

Same with the one piece so many theories have been made about it someone had to have thought of it

[sonic plaza]

all i know

• there is no way that Sanji or Zoro's bounties go lower than 1b and Luffy's lower than 3b (people think going that low is the safe route, and i think Oda will not take the safe route)
• I mean, they are fighting the Strongest pirate crew in the world

[fluid lava]

I think zoro will go above 1b due to his nature as a member of the worst generation and how they’ll be seen after this but sanji I think could go up to like 800 mil and the rest of the straw hats with big increases too

I think unless sanji makes a big impact on this battle there will be a big gap between his and zoro’s bounty after this

[sonic plaza]

if he beats King (who likely has 1.5b bounty), Sanji's bounty will be at least 1b

[fluid lava]

Oh yeah I forgot about that do you think he’ll actually get the credit for that?

[grizzled fog]

? Why wouldn’t he if he beats him

[amber oar]

what if King has been confused as a pet bird and his bounty is like 1500

Weird that his bounty hasn't been revealed yet, same for the tobi roppo

[fluid lava]

Even if he does I still think zoro will have the bigger increase because he took on a yonko and is a member of the worst generation

[onyx fjord]

was king's bounty not revealed? I could have sworn it was

[sonic plaza]

i think we might get a single chapter backstory for King (which will explain who he is and his bounty)

[mild kite]

LMAO. but Marco already confirmed he had a bounty of a bil +

[sonic plaza]

It is stated that King is stronger than Queen

• Queen's bounty is nearly 1.4b too

[ember matrix]

That's part of the reason I think sanji fights king. To have a hype reveal during SH fights, similar to the zoan forms

[grizzled fog]

King hasn’t been stated to be stronger

[ember matrix]

^

[sonic plaza]

"the strongest of the all-star's"

[mild kite]

we are only 99% sure

[ember matrix]

Panel? I have goldfish memory?

[sonic plaza]

brb

[onyx fjord]

King's feats so far have been quite disappointing comparatively

[grizzled fog]

Which was literally never said

[ember matrix]

We can extrapolate King >= Queen by the naming scheme, but there is no confirmation.

[fluid lava]

Do you guys think law, kid, and killer’s bounties will go above 1b after this?

[onyx fjord]

I would think so yeah
Not killer though

[ember matrix]

Yeah

[sonic plaza]

wait. it said his physical strength was more than queen's and jack's i believe (strength != power btw)
mb

[grizzled fog]

Law and Kid? Absolutely 100%. Killer? Debatable

[mild kite]

everyone except maybe Killer

[grizzled fog]

It wasn’t said that his physical strength was greater either tho

[ember matrix]

Even killer will probably be 1b, but he hasn't earned it as much imo

[fluid lava]

What is killer’s current bounty?

[onyx fjord]

200,000,000

[fluid lava]

Oh dang I thought it was higher

[grizzled fog]

Unfortunately most of the bounties atm are too low

[terse finch]

Killer might hit 7 or 8 though.

[onyx fjord]

i think killer would end up being below sanji

[terse finch]

Luffy got 5 for WCI.

[fluid lava]

Yeah probably not killer will probably go up above 500 mil maybe like 800 mil not 1b though not from 200 mil

[onyx fjord]

I think Killer might just make it to 1 billion

i buy into the Luffy 2.8, Zoro 1.5, Sanji 1.3 thing

[ember matrix]

Killer will join mammoth gang

[fluid lava]

I think luffy will go up to 3 billion into the yonko range

[onyx fjord]

I think Luffy will do 2.8 purely because I think his final bounty would be 5.6 billion due to the Go-Mu pun and 2.8 is both half of that and a logical increase from the 1.5

[sonic plaza]

potentially, all members of the Worst Generation could get slim bounty increases (just cause the Generation as a whole would be viewed as extremely threatening)

[fluid lava]

I think he’ll be around what Blackbeard currently is

[uneven zephyr]

BB still at 2.something b, right?

[onyx fjord]

Additionally, I think Zoro would hit 1.5 because he has the tendency to surpass Luffy's previous bounties

[grizzled fog]

2.2 ish

[sonic plaza]

if he kills Kaido in the end, I could see Zoro getting 2b

[ember matrix]

Ohhh true, we're definitely getting a BB bounty increase in parallel since he's scheming

[onyx fjord]

I guarantee you Zoro will not kill Kaido though

[fluid lava]

I think they’ll all be shot up above 500 mil after this due to their nature as a whole

[onyx fjord]

the ZKK train is kind of dead in the water with the recent chapters

[sonic plaza]

Shanks is likely talking to the Gorosei about BB. Maybe he did someone terrible that only Shanks knows about

that could easily put BB at 3.5b+

[fluid lava]

Why is shanks even in contact with the gorosei thats what I really don’t get

[uneven zephyr]

im pretty sure Shanks was talking about BB and Rocks with the Gorosei

[terse finch]

Wait are you saying BB is Xebec 2.0?

[fluid lava]

Honestly maybe that’s a good theory

[onyx fjord]

I think its reasonable to believe that Shanks' goals align with the World Government at the moment; it is possible that both entities seek to preserve the current state of the world. Shanks might just be trying to preserve until his investment into the next generation pans out. That is my theory atleast

[uneven zephyr]

yeah with bringing down the gov in a more chaotic sense

[terse finch]

I assure you no marine and pirate should ever team up again.

[sonic plaza]

reincarnation of xebec would be a mind blowing theory

[uneven zephyr]

im not saying a marines gonna team up with luffy

[terse finch]

Fuji was the closest we get

[fluid lava]

That would make sense maybe they have a mutual enemy in BB

[uneven zephyr]

but i do think Luffy vs BB is gonna mimic Rocks vs Roger a little bit

[sonic plaza]

or that what BB is doing could destroy the whole world. I mean, he has the fruit to do that

[grizzled fog]

Drake literally already teamed with luffy though lol

[terse finch]

Drake is SWORD, who knows what they do

[grizzled fog]

We know that he’s a marine

[onyx fjord]

I honestly think that Shanks' relation to the world government goes beyond a temporary goal against blackbaerd. The gorosei particularly state that they are setting time aside for Shanks purely because "it is [him]". They wouldn't do this if Big Mom or anyone else showed up demanding a meeting

[grizzled fog]

SWORD is part of Navy HQ

[fluid lava]

Oh and Coby could be the garp to luffy’s roger in that fight making him the new hero of the navy

[ember matrix]

Do you think Luffy gets a Garp? Since I always just saw SH vs BB crew as a good old pre ts matchup esque fight

[terse finch]

But who does SWORD answer to? Who created them? Why? CP0 exists. Who gives them orders? Why do they give the orders they give? What's their agenda?

[uneven zephyr]

i dont think they'll be a garp

[ember matrix]

Ah ok

[grizzled fog]

We don’t need those answers to know that they are marines tho

[uneven zephyr]

i feel like Garp is such an anomaly to the world

the closest thing to garp would be Dragon

[onyx fjord]

i wonder why

[sonic plaza]

i think it is to replace CP9

[fluid lava]

I think coby and helmeppo will help luffy against Blackbeard

[uneven zephyr]

or Sabo with the revolutionaries

[terse finch]

Why are there 2 secret marine groups? Does SWORD keep CP in check?

[onyx fjord]

cipher pol is an outlet of the WG not the marines

[terse finch]

How many know about SWORD?

[sonic plaza]

CP0 isnt a secret group. think of it like the CIA

[terse finch]

Yes but not just anyone gets into CP LMAO.

[onyx fjord]

they still arent secret either way. not everyone gets into the cia

[terse finch]

Sentomaru isn't CP.

[onyx fjord]

Sentomaru heads the science division

[fluid lava]

Do you think luffy could beat all his past enemies as they are in the new world?

[terse finch]

Vegapunk bodyguard

[grizzled fog]

At once?

Individually yes, unless you count the admirals in Sabaody and mf

[sonic plaza]

Moria + Oars would be the biggest challenge, but he could do it

[fluid lava]

You think like rob lucci and crocodile haven’t improved enough to keep up with luffy at all?

[uneven zephyr]

probably not, hes luffy

[terse finch]

Think undercover work 007 secret

[sonic plaza]

Crocodile has always been stronger than luffy until TS

[terse finch]

Whoa

Look man, powerscalers have op all wrong

Unless haki is involved DF fights revolve around knowledge of your opponent and their DF.

If you don't know what kind of power user you're facing you could get clapped easily no matter how strong you are.

[fluid lava]

Btw is enel still on the moon?

[onyx fjord]

who knows

[turbid pewter]

prolly

[terse finch]

It only becomes cut and dry when haki becomes involved because it just becomes about who has better haki or whoever blooms first

[fluid lava]

He had a crazy strong devil fruit it would be great to see him again in the story

[terse finch]

Luffy vs Kaido

[onyx fjord]

i think we will see enel again. the moon clearly holds some significance

[terse finch]

He enslaved all the aliens lol

[fluid lava]

Well not always luffy has beaten people with haki before he even knew how to use it with knowledge of their devil fruit hasn’t he?

I find it hard to believe crocodile couldn’t use haki when luffy and him had their fight

[onyx fjord]

crocodile was introduced too early

[fluid lava]

Or haki was introduced too late

[sonic plaza]

oda said it himself

[near path]

I just wanna hear what other people have to say, but what you think of the florian triangle monster?

[onyx fjord]

I think it is a mystery that will never be answered because it is purposefully meant to be left mysterious

[grizzled fog]

I think they are meant to be unexplained mysteries that add to the general vibe and atmosphere of the Florian Triangle

I don’t believe we will ever get an answer, it’s better that way

[fluid lava]

I’ll be upset if it doesn’t come up again

[near path]

Yes, I'll be very

[terse finch]

Yea Oda choked Croc's intro.

[fluid lava]

They can’t just introduce a fucking bombshell like that and do absolutely nothing with it

[onyx fjord]

how is it a bombshell

its literally just something there to keep thriller bark feeling spooky after all the shit about the area was answered

its just meant for worldbuilding really

[fluid lava]

because those things are bigger than zushina and they’re bound to be incredibly ancient their existence had to have been important at some point

[onyx fjord]

all we saw is a sillhouette. it very well can just be something dumb like with the shadows of the skypieans being gigantic monsters

[near path]

Yeah, true. But after being introduced as one of the biggest creatures in one piece? I don't think that should be left alone. But I also respect your opinion

[fluid lava]

Well at least with the skypiean shadows we got an explanation I just want some closure with those things

[onyx fjord]

I respect that I just think itd be cooler if there was no closure
Since I think it really is just a case of worldbuilding

[near path]

Yeah. Ill be fine with that as well

[sonic plaza]

• the thing is, Alabasta Crocodile could slap any Paradise Villain (non-admiral) except Magellan
• and slap every post timeskip straw hat, except the monster trio and jinbe

[fluid lava]

Idk I’m just one of those people that likes to know every major detail of the world and mysteries like that really bother me

[fluid lava]

Well clearly not since he lost to luffy because he had some water

Especially now that luffy doesn’t need water to hit him he’d get bodied

[onyx fjord]

I think it could just be a horror movie trope since TB Is hororr themed

the trope where a scary problem is introduced, the baddie is introduced, the hero saves the day. But in the last scene we learn that the baddie wasn't actually the cause of the murders.

[fluid lava]

Tbh I just don’t like that trope

I think that’s why I want an explanation for the monsters

Honestly the creature sort of looks to me less like 3 big things in the sea but one head with two spiky shoulders and a body below the sea

See what I mean

[grizzled fog]

Well he wouldn’t slap Enel

[fluid lava]

Can you imagine how big that would be if it was one big creature

[onyx fjord]

atleast 3 inches

[fluid lava]

How deep is the sea in one piece?

[onyx fjord]

unknown

[grizzled fog]

In some places? At least 10000m

[onyx fjord]

id assume since its one large ocean it varies place to place, much like our ocean

[grizzled fog]

FMI is 10000 meters deep, deepest we know of

[fluid lava]

Well considering the size of zushina and the fact his legs are so long it must be incredibly deep

[onyx fjord]

zunesha is 35,000m i think?

and most of that height is below surface

[fluid lava]

Yeah he has super super long legs like several times his length above sea level

So the ocean has to be incredibly deep

[terse finch]

This is all in comparison to the One Piece world, not ours too lol. The One Piece world is much bigger than ours let's not forget

[ember matrix]

Wow, that's nearly as deep as the mariana trench

[fluid lava]

So zushina is 21 miles tall holy shit

That means the one piece oceans on average are significantly deeper than our deepest part of our ocean

So I’d that Florian triangle monster hits the bottom it would be miles and miles tall

[onyx fjord]

one of the most fascinating questions left unanswered in one piee is what is zunesha walking towards

[fluid lava]

That’s actually horrifying how big that is

[ember matrix]

Same place the bridge is being built towards? (I don't think so, but that would be cool)

[fluid lava]

It’s theorized zushina was ordered to wonder the world by an ancient member of the kozuki clan

[onyx fjord]

well i think thats sorta implied by the fact both Oden and Momonosuke can communicate and give orders to zunesha

but its somewhat clear Zunesha is walking towards SOMETHING, what that is we dont know

[fluid lava]

Maybe he’s walking towards the red line and is going to destroy it along with the ancient weapons

Maybe he is an ancient weapon

[onyx fjord]

robin states there are only 3 ancient weapons referenced by the poneglyphs so i doubt that

well i guess the elephant could be uranus now that i think about it but idk

[fluid lava]

Well we only know what one is he could be one of the other two

[nimble hinge]

I don't think that's clear at all. Seems like zunesha goes back and forth on a short route. Always close by to Wano

[onyx fjord]

we know 2/3
Shirahoshi as Poseidon
Pluton as a battleship of some sort

[fluid lava]

Maybe pluton is the Noah?

[formal quest]

I have always thought that

[onyx fjord]

I disagree beccause Pluton has construction plans that sort of imply it hasnt ever been built yet

[amber oar]

that's never implied. At most, it's implied that the plans exist to build a pluton in case it's necessary to destory the first one

[nimble hinge]

It also has an explicit purpose that's very different from pluton

[fluid lava]

Uranus could be the elephant and it the sea kings led by shirahoshi and pluton will destroy the red line

[amber oar]

also it seems the og Pluton is somewhere in Alabasta.

[onyx fjord]

yeah true
still think that overrules the noah being it though

[dense wing]

The glyph that explains Pluton’s OG location is in Alabasta

[fluid lava]

That might not be the case because the poneglyh for Poseidon was in sky island

[dense wing]

It may or may not be on Alabasta itself

Most likely in final war when all 3 weapons are used, it will be the original Pluton

[amber oar]

either way it's a battleship; Noah is a transport ship

[onyx fjord]

I mean franky burnt the plans so id think it would have to be:? unless he or iceberg memrozied the plans

[amber oar]

I can see the Sunny having some Pluton features hidden

There's a good chance Franky just digitalized the plans. He is a cyborg after all

[fluid lava]

Honestly it could be that shirahoshi destroys marineford and the navy bases with her sea kings the elephant destroys the red line and the noah carries the survivors of the attack away from fish man island and those are the three weapons

[dense wing]

There is no way Franky would build Pluton unless One Piece and Joy Boy flashback convinces them that they need to use all 3 weapons

I personally believe it’s cooler and makes more sense for the story that at first the WG and Imu have all three weapons and we need to fight them for it

[onyx fjord]

i dont think digitalization is really a thing in one piece? they dont seem to have that area of tech

[dense wing]

So they’ll capture Shirahoshi, and find both Pluton and Uranus

Straw Hats and allies vs all of WG with Ancient Weapons

[amber oar]

they have photos at least, why Franky wouldn't have a hi-res scanner

[onyx fjord]

Do you guys buy into the Urogue as the tenth titanic captain of Blackbeard theory
(#manga-theories message)

[dense wing]

I do

[terse finch]

But before that--Theory: Blackbeard has the 4th road pongelyph

• When the rocks pirates were around, they had islands controlled and pongelyphs
• They formed the crew on Hachinosu Island
• When rocks himself died, they were 1 road poneglyph from completion, thats the main reason they were defeated
• but big mom took control of whole cake island and it's poneglyph
• kaido took control of wano and it's pongelyph
• rocks pirates/whitebeard moved the fishman island poneglyph to Hachinosu Island
• blackbeard knows this because he was on whitebeard's crew for so long
• blackbeard then kills whitebeard and controlls Hachinosu Island for it's pongelyph
• if luffy collects the pongelyph on wano, luffy has 3 and blackbeard has the last
• thru robin, he would attempt to extract information regarding the 3 pongelyphs luffy has
• the winner of Luffy vs. Blackbeard will have all 4 pongelyphs, a battle for laugh tale and pirate king

At this rate, Luffy and Blackbeard's battle is inevitable

The ending of One Piece.

[night lava]

If he does that wouldnt he abandon his own crew

[onyx fjord]

nah cause they could also join with him, merger type thing

[night lava]

I could prob see him as a subordinate tho

I dont think urouge would fit tho

The titanics are all legends, urouge is just a supernova

[onyx fjord]

i mean it is the most implicated thing urogue has done based on his comments but then again urogue has said jack shit the entire series

[onyx fjord]

i disagree the originals arent legends

[terse finch]

So was everyone on the roof before Wano.

[night lava]

Aaaaaa

[dusky acorn]

He wouldn't abandon his crew, they're known as the Titanic Captains after all

[night lava]

Makes sense

[dusky acorn]

And he's more than just a Supernova now since we know he can beat a Sweet General. Him getting a feat like that would make sense to hype him up and fit with this supposed rank he'd have nowadays

[onyx fjord]

yeah he definitely has the capability to be a blackbeard titanic captain

i strongly buy into the theory

I also dont know if i agree with the notion stated earlier that he doesnt fit in with the rest. none of the bb titanic captains really fit in much with eachother. theyre a very wild bunch

[fluid lava]

I think luffy having 3 road poneglyhs after this will be a massive contributor to their bounties going forward

Black beard having the last one would make a lot of sense

[ionic peak]

who is this girl ?

[grizzled igloo]

Guys...didn't jinbei give the road poneglyph of fishman island to big mom?

[onyx fjord]

nami?

[onyx fjord]

that was just a normal poneglyph, not a red road

[grizzled fog]

....nami?

[dusky acorn]

Yeah it's her, it's more clear in the coloured scans

[grizzled igloo]

Oh alrighty

[ionic peak]

oh lol

[onyx fjord]

im curious why you chose to ask that in #manga-theories about the cover

[ionic peak]

i m also curios about is this some clue from oda

[onyx fjord]

for what

[dusky acorn]

The fish-man island road poneglyph is still missing, Robin did tell Law that going after Yonko would be their best bet though

[onyx fjord]

when is it mentioned that there is a road poneglyph in fishman island, or was one rather

[dusky acorn]

During Oden's flashback

[fluid lava]

The flashback in wano roger goes to fish man island to get a road poneglyh that’s next to the joyboy one and it’s no longer there

[onyx fjord]

oh huh i dont even remember that

[fluid lava]

It was in the anime too

[grizzled fog]

You mean the cover? It’s meant to be a tribute to Naruto, I believe it was made when it ended

[onyx fjord]

yeah theres a bunch of naruto references in that cover

the posters on the wall spell out some message thanking naruto for its long run and nami's dress has symbols from naruto

[ionic peak]

oh make sense

naruo ichiraku ramen

[onyx fjord]

Oda and the Naruto author are good friends

[onyx fjord]

oh huh the road poneglyph next to it is a subtle detail

[fluid lava]

Yeah it’s not there anymore and we know it it’s the missing one because they separately mention the others including the one big mom has

[onyx fjord]

are we sure that big mom or kaido couldnt have taken it from FI

[fluid lava]

Nope the wano one and zao one are in those locations before roger goes to fish man island and by this point roger already said he stole a copy of big mom’s like luffy did

[onyx fjord]

oh right

[fluid lava]

So this poneglyh wherever it is now is the one luffy needs

It’s theorized since whitebeard had control of fish man island he took this poneglyh and when he died black beard stole it from him

[onyx fjord]

that would make sense
but it raises a question

[terse finch]

Nami--also on the cover: Naruto, Chopper, Luffy.

[onyx fjord]

Why would Whitebeard want the red road poneglyph? it didnt ever seem like he had any aspirations to get to laugh tale

[ionic peak]

also that fox refers to kyuubi

[fluid lava]

Maybe he thought it was safer with him than on fish man island

It’s also possible the poneglyh is still there somewhere on fish man island but it’s not likely I think

[terse finch]

What if he just happened upon it and kept it or decided to be the new wall, like the one he faced in Roger, to test the new generation much like he tested, then trusted Luffy at Marineford?

[fluid lava]

That also makes sense he could have been gatekeeping it to see if the next pirate king was worthy

If someone like BB got the other 3 before coming to whitebeard he probably would have stopped him from getting the last one for example

[onyx fjord]

I mean it could have been a request from Roger during their meeting

[fluid lava]

That could be true we don’t know but regardless of the reason if white beard had it it’s likely BB has it now

[onyx fjord]

do you think BB will be the final villain

if he is both the final villain and the holder of the 4th rr poneglyph it would raise some issues

[fluid lava]

No he’ll be beaten before laugh tale and I don’t think that’s the final arc but if you mean the final villain before the world government than yes but the world government will always be the final main threat

I think he’ll be the last pirate they fight

[onyx fjord]

yeah i sorta mean the final villain of the grand line voyage: the final obstacle to becoming pirate king really

[fluid lava]

Then yes

He is set up to be the main competitor to luffy for pirate king if he beats BB that’s pretty much it the rest of the competition is gone

[onyx fjord]

yeah true

[fluid lava]

Imu will the true final villain of the story though

Or just the world government in general led by imu

[onyx fjord]

i assume everything that comes after laugh tale would fall under a singular saga of fulfilling Joyboy's wish

[fluid lava]

Definitely after laugh tale luffy will fulfill his role as “joyboy” whatever that actually means

[onyx fjord]

and I think Imu is an inverse character to Joyboy, which is why he would be perfect as the antagonist of this final saga

[fluid lava]

It’s clearly a person but it could also be a title or luffy could just be a literal reincarnation of joyboy

[onyx fjord]

well Oden says you have to open Wano's borders for when Joyboy returns. This could mean a lot of things but id assume hes referring to Luffy here given the whole 20 years business

[fluid lava]

Yeah based on everything the story has told us luffy IS joyboy in some capacity

Whether he’s just a successor or a direct reincarnation he’s the joyboy that’s referred to when they talk about the promise with fish man island and wano

[onyx fjord]

I disagree with the fishman island part

That poneglyph is an apology written from Joyboy. It cannot possibly be Luffy

[fluid lava]

When the sea kings were talking about their two rulers the one “born in a distant sea” is clearly luffy

[fluid lava]

Yes the original joyboy wrote the apology but he said he’d come along one day and fufill his promise and I think luffy is going to do that with shirahoshi

[onyx fjord]

I must have not remembered the promise fulfillment part then

[fluid lava]

Luffy and the original joyboy are two different people but again in some capacity luffy somehow is joyboy or at least joyboy’s will

[onyx fjord]

it is probably the latter given the theme of inherited wills in one piece, but that's a whole 'nother can of worms if youve explored that theory

[fluid lava]

Yeah it’s just that every prophecy involving the return of joyboy (so like two of them) clearly is talking about luffy and they never say joyboy’s successor or reincarnation they just say joyboy 

[dense wing]

I believe that there are multiple “Joy Boys” born throughout history and that Roger and Luffy are 2 of them

[onyx fjord]

thats a staunch possibility Eman

[fluid lava]

Roger and luffy both being reincarnations of the void century joyboy is definitely possible and would make a ton of sense

[dense wing]

Maybe all D’s are potential Joy Boys

But it seems to be that Roger could’ve done it, but he was just born too early

What the Sea Kings were hype about was that both their ruler Poseidon and the distant ruler Luffy would be born soon

[fluid lava]

It would explain why they have nearly identical personalities and motivations

[onyx fjord]

i mean the will of the D could be another extension of the original Joyboy

[onyx fjord]

i think it is made clear the main thing hodling Roger back was his illness

[fluid lava]

I believe joyboy was the original holder of the initial D

[cobalt juniper]

can someone explain why people think crocodile was a girl?

[dense wing]

Fair, if you think that older Roger could’ve lived until when Shirahoshi was born and then enact Joy Boy’s will

[fluid lava]

But yeah joyboy and the will of D are clearly connected in some capacity I think

[dense wing]

But I think in general Poseidon being alive is a prerequisite to Joy Boy’s will

[onyx fjord]

The crocodile sex change theory is based off the fact that Ivankov states that crocodile has a secret and blackmails him. Iva's abilities involve hormones and the ability to change the sexes of a person. That is basically it and its sort of a crackpot theory lmao

[dense wing]

Which in general is taking down the WG and it’s corrupted roots

[fluid lava]

Definitely in the void century there was also a mermaid princess with the ability to talk to sea kings

[dense wing]

Joy Boy probably wants all three weapons to be used to destroy the Red Line/Mariejois

[onyx fjord]

do you think Joyboy used the 3 weapons in some sort of war in the void century but it was a failure

[fluid lava]

That’s what I’m thinking too and the noah will carry the refugees of fish man island to the surface and they can live amongst the humans freely

[dense wing]

I think Joy Boy was the king or prince of the Ancient Kingdom

The original 20 Kings who were the CD’s, led by Imu, destroyed the ancient Kingdom in a war

Either cuz they wanted the three weapons, or they already had the three weapons and wanted more power

[fluid lava]

Yeah I think he tried fighting the world government and stop them from establishing but failed for some reason

[onyx fjord]

Yeah this is pretty much the inherited wills theory

[dense wing]

Ye

[onyx fjord]

The strongest evidence for the theory that they will destroy the red line to me is that the all blue seems to be unable to exist in any other capacity besides that lol

[dense wing]

It’s highly probable

Personally I think Joy Boy had the three weapons since the Sea Kings call out to him and his inheritors, such as Luffy and Roger, and he’s connected to Poseidon

[fluid lava]

If joyboy was a ruler of the ancient kingdom than the will of D is probably descendants of the kingdom and luffy and roger were both royal descendants maybe?

[dense wing]

D could stand for the name of the kingdom tbh

[fluid lava]

I think the island of laugh tale itself will be the ruins of the kingdom

[dense wing]

Since the ancient kingdom were enemies of the gods so to speak

The D could easily be what the ancient Kingdom was called

I don’t think D’s are related by blood

But I DO think all D’s descend from citizens of the Ancient Kingdom

[dense wing]

I’d say it’s probable

[fluid lava]

Yeah If that theory is true I would think luffy is a direct descendant of joyboy

[dense wing]

I don’t want that to be the case but who knows

[fluid lava]

It would mean dragon and garp as related to joyboy as well

[dense wing]

Yeah

[onyx fjord]

This would mean it would likely be “Devil”

[dense wing]

It’s possible but D has been hidden so long that it being devil is underwhelming

[onyx fjord]

The enemies of the gods are the devils

[onyx fjord]

I would honestly rather have the D stand for nothing just because I think Monkey Devil Luffy sounds completely stupid

[dense wing]

If the name of the ancient kingdom sounds cool it could work

[fluid lava]

It could be something like develia and the inhabitants are called devils so the kingdom itself isn’t called devil but the people are

[onyx fjord]

Yeah that would make a lot of sense

[dense wing]

Law’s middle name is water lol

We could do worse

[onyx fjord]

Water Law

[dense wing]

Trafalgar D. Water Law

[fluid lava]

Water 6

[onyx fjord]

You know speaking of the D I kind of refuse to believe Jaguar D Saul won’t play a more important role in the story

[dense wing]

Aokiji may tell us more

[onyx fjord]

Theres theories about him surviving and starting the revolutionary army

[dark palm]

the largest role I can see him or his existence playing in the future is the acknowledgement of his tribe of giants during a flashback

[onyx fjord]

There’s a lot of unnamed species, most prominently Oars’

[dense wing]

True Juba. Robin could recognize his tribe and ask about him

[onyx fjord]

You find these pages startingly fast

[dense wing]

I have this saved already lol

Call it my Elbaf.png

Basically whenever people wonder what we’re going to do in Elbaf I have this ready

[fluid lava]

I still think there will be some fighting in elbaf an arc without a big fight is boring

[dense wing]

There may be fighting but it won’t be as grand scale as the fighting in Wano or even WCI unless an admiral or Shanks shows up

[onyx fjord]

It is a strong possibility that Shanks is involved in Elbaf

[fluid lava]

Yeah definitely not but I’m expecting luffy to stretch his muscles a bit and get into a fight with a giant

[fluid lava]

Maybe but I think luffy reuniting with shanks could be it’s own arc tbh

[onyx fjord]

I don’t think Elbaf will be the next arc anyway

[fluid lava]

Me too

[onyx fjord]

Theres likely gonna be a Vegapunk arc in between I think

[fluid lava]

I think elbaf than black beard then laugh tale then the final war

[onyx fjord]

I think in an SBS Oda says that devil fruits will be explained more thoroughly by a professor, who I think will be Vegapunk and I think the time for that has come

[fluid lava]

It would be nice to know

[onyx fjord]

Wano is the 5th to last island of the grand line, no?