manga-theories

[worn heart]

but the teapot one

[dull pumice]

The ones he got right :big mom is going to Wano, advanced conqueror haki, zoro having coc

[sonic plaza]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bub2stQXSeU

[dull pumice]

But he has some questionable theories for sure

[sonic plaza]

he did get the coc one right, but that was not very farfetched and anyone could have guessed

[pure raven]

theorizing zoro having coc is not impressive

[dull pumice]

Haha although this one is so outlandish, I really do respect his arguments and the way he presented them

[worn heart]

its only a candidate analysis

but good video nonetheless

[dull pumice]

Well where were you couple of weeks ago when I was getting shat on for saying he has it, you could've backed me up my bro

[amber oar]

"predictive" youtubers live in base of one or a couple of hits that overshadow their dozens of misses

[pure raven]

[sonic plaza]

we have seen him use it before tho

its not really a theory

[dull pumice]

How times change

[worn heart]

ill be the one laughing in a few months wait and watch

[pure raven]

why? what is your controversial theory

[worn heart]

its up there scroll up if you want

[pure raven]

can you mark it?

[tired osprey]

morj gave tama a C, morj sucks

[worn heart]

.

[kind gate]

nope

[worn heart]

is it controversial enough?

[kind gate]

I just don't see us going back
like the supernova won't be defeated
or they will die immediately

[ancient vault]

jugol hating again

[pure raven]

I think if they are put in crosses then they die. There won't be a rest/break in this fight

[worn heart]

good good its controversial

i was worried id have to come up with something more outrageous

[amber oar]

am I lying tho?

[sinful wedge]

This might've been discussed to death here

But what is Caribou's role going to be in this arc?

Especially given his knowledge of Poseidon

Also of what use is that info. going to be for Kaido & BM when they're going to fall in this arc?

[vale arrow]

Maybe they don’t fall

Maybe BM and Kaido make it to the next arc and play an even bigger role

[sinful wedge]

There are actually arguments in favor of that

[normal imp]

Do you thinks that´s possible?

[sinful wedge]

But the ones against it outweigh them heavily

[vale arrow]

I mean I could see it happening but it’s very unlikely

Cause rn the fights more in favor of the yonko by a lot

[sinful wedge]

I don't think it's by a lot

Maybe if the rest of the BM pirates showed up

But I doubt that

Fucking slowmode

[vale arrow]

Well I mean the worst gen has gotten some good hits but the yonko are still standing strong and with luffy going one on one vs kaido idk how that’s gonna go

[pure raven]

how much stronger would whitebeard be to kaido

[kind gate]

prime?

[sonic plaza]

prime - much stronger

[zealous grail]

current probably Kaido. I don't know if ch. 1010 spoilers are allowed yet so || Since Kaido can infuse his armament haki with Supreme King and although the tremor tremor fruit is powerful, the durability of Kaido's Zoan and it's ability to fly in the air may help him get that extra edge on top of his Supreme King Haki. Remember during Marineford, Whitebeard couldn't use his Supreme King Haki due to his old age ||
Present it would be Whitebeard

[grizzled fog]

No need to spoiler tag that, ch 1010 discussion is fine here

[olive quail]

In my opinion all of the emperors are roughly equal, with the exception of WB, Roger, probably Rocks (ik two of them arent emperors but you know what i mean), and maybe BB (its been unclear on his strength but we expect he should be able go up against post wano Luffy and he's managed to hold his position as emperor for a reason). Now while I think Roger and Whitebeard are stronger than the current emperors, that doesnt mean they would wipe them, or the emperors have no chance. It just means that Roger and WB would have the edge in that fight. Like if a fight between BM and Kaido is 50-50, prime WB and Kaido is 55-45 or 60-40 at most.

[craggy pumice]

Sounds reasonable

[sonic plaza]

if luffy beats Kaido (by himself), do you guys think his bounty will go over 4b

[olive quail]

Idk. On the one hand, Luffy's bounty usually exceeds that of the person he beats. On the other, Law and Kid will probably share the credit and the three of them could have a bounty that's equal to BM+Kaido's bounties divided amongst them. That comes out to ~3 billion each. So my guess is somewhere between 3-4 billion for Luffy depending on how much credit he gets for this

[sonic plaza]

well, law + kid only damaged him a bit, but im saying, if from here on, Luffy beats Kaido

[pallid quail]

Sounds accurate

[olive quail]

Keep in mind Kid is facing BM and in the end everyone considers the ringleaders to be Luffy Kid and Law. So it will probably come out that way to the public and marines. In the end Luffy fought Doffy 1 on 1 but both he and Law came out with 500 mil berry bounties

[regal badge]

but, also, wano being isolated, could that affect on how they get their new bountys? like, not getting the right info or something like that

[olive quail]

I mean CP0 and Drake are present and Wano will open after this

[sonic plaza]

CP0 is watching the fight likely, so if they saw the whole rooftop fight, then they would know if Luffy beat kaido on his own

[kind gate]

yh maybe 57-43

[sonic plaza]

also,

• although kaido did take damage from kid, zoro, and law,
• Luffy also took damage from Kaido and Big Mom's combined attacks

Kaido has taken more 3rd party damage for sure, but Luffy has too
so, if Luffy beats him, then his bounty deserves to be at least 4b

[rigid shoal]

Personally I don't see Law leaving the rooftop, only because he still has a sense of pride in being a captain. Basing this off earlier interactions on the rooftop. If this is the case that bounty increase will definitely not be 3b+

I just don't see him passing BB like that either, UNLESS we see a offscreen increase for BB

[reef moth]

Just thought of a way that the rest of this war could go with the new information we have

[olive quail]

I should have mentioned it but yeah i kept that in mind. I assume that what BB will do after he and his crew set out before Act 3 will have earned him a higher bounty than Luffy's new bounty

[rigid shoal]

I'm genuinely curious to what BB meant. That whole Sabo thing is so interesting

[reef moth]

-Luffy and Kaido fight somewhat evenly due to Luffy's conq awakening. Kaido will probably be decently fatigued at this point due to the damage he's taken accumulating- especially Zoro's scar. It would be a good way to show how the work everyone put in (yes even Kid 😂) actually had an effect on Kaido.

-Kaido finally acknowledges Luffy as a worthy opponent and activates his Zoan Awakening. Crocodile foreshadowed this in Impel and we haven't seen it since. Kaido having it would be a good way to properly introduce how Zoan Awakenings work and improve upon the design of his Hybrid which people were complaing about. My only hope is that Kaido doesn't just heal the damage everyone delt on him back, because that'd be way too redundant. This'd also solidify the gap between Luffy and Kaido, a Yonko

-Luffy gets stomped out by Kaido much like he did in Round 1 of their fight.

-Either Yamato or Marco will probably help Luffy escape before he's killed. Sanji is on his way to her right now, so he can probably take Momonosuke. Marco is busy with the calamities so that isn't very likely.

-Act 3 ends with Luffy's defeat, and Act 4 is basically just giving the Straw Hats their time to shine while Luffy recovers.

[rigid shoal]

But yea I agree those events can definitely cause some major changes. Its especially fitting since Wano is cut off from the rest of the world, so anything the SH will learn so will we

[olive quail]

Im also kinda looking at this from a progression perspective. This is almost definitely going to be Luffy's second last bounty increase in the series. I personally subscribe to the idea of Luffy's final bounty being 5,656,000,000 (56 56 can be read as gomu gomu in japanese and it's just above Roger'a bounty, showing Luffy surpassed him). I also feel like his final bounty increase is going to be the biggest so it would be weird of he went up like 2.5 billion or more now and then only goes up like 1-1.5 billion in the end.

[rigid shoal]

thats a good point, I think there might be another thrown in between this next and the final. I think after Elbaf there may be another increase, especially if shanks is involved

[olive quail]

Ehh i can see Elbaf being a Zou type arc or directly leading into the final Luffy vs BB arc, especially if Shanks meets Luffy there, since I believe Shanks will be directly tied into the conflict between Luffy and BB. I think that conflict and Luffy finding the One Piece gives him the final 5,656,000,000 bounty and the final war arc against the WG begins

Thats kinda how i see the rest of the series ending

[reef moth]

Elbaf will probably be a Zou type arc. I can see it being mostly exposition before the final part oc the series

[olive quail]

Elbaf arc where shanks meets luffy and final conflict w/ BB and WG is set up, followed by laugh tale arc with fight for One Piece against BB, and finally war arc where everyone comes together to topple the WG

[reef moth]

The Straw Hats to elbaf after the giant ass feast, they find out it's Shanks' territory. Shanks is either not there because he's dealing with Blackbeard and whatever he tries to do or he is. If he isn't there the giants drop exposition on luffy and shows him the road poneglyph. If he is Luffy gives Shanks the hat back and then they have a davy back fight for the road poneglyph.

[olive quail]

Yeah i kinda see luffy giving the hat back, but its only temporary because at some point Shanks and BB will fight and Shanks will get killed before Luffy can get to where they are. Luffy is given the hat back in Shanks' final moments or he takes it back in memory of shanks

Basically shanks is dying at some point and probably to bb

[fringe tide]

I dont think itd be weird if luffys bounty increased by 1-1.5bil since its stated that raising your bounty after 500mil was difficult

[pure raven]

We've already seen 3 awakened zoans in Impel Down, @reef moth

[sand sail]

5*

[fringe tide]

Also not everyone has to have their df awakened, wasnt it said awakened fruits were rare?

[olive quail]

Yeah so is conqueror's haki. I assume those at the top probably figured their devil fruits out

[sand sail]

Yep, if not for Impel Down, it'd be rarer to have awakened fruits than to have conqueror's you can imbue

[olive quail]

If the guards can have it, i dont see why kaido shouldnt. Especially since he is the perfect example of the type of power zoan awakenings could give you

He could* be the perfect example

[hallow nymph]

Will every human or any race eats an devil fruit users will they get a devil fruit power that the guy are using like what big mom did to mother carmel?

[sonic plaza]

okay guys, here is my theory for luffy vs kaido

• In order to beat Kaido, Luffy will have to create Gear 5 (which will imbue advanced coc haki)
• But, Luffy has no idea how to use it, as he was never trained to use it
• So, I feel like the only way for him to unlock it is to just get a massive beating from Kaido to like the brink of death
• If he experienced getting hit by it over and over, I think he could understand how it works

And after Luffy gets beaten to the brink of death, right before Kaido kills him, maybe Yamato goes up and stalls him for a bit

[kind gate]

uhhh but he's already imbue-ding his attacks with coc

[sonic plaza]

not to the advanced level that Kaido uses

[olive quail]

My personal guess on awakened zoans. It gives you ultimate control on your ability to shift between forms. Generally 99% of zoan users have a base, full animal, and hybrid form. However chopper unlocked more forms with his rumble balls. People assume only monster point is awakened, but I think all his forms are an aspect of awakening. The rumble ball basically forcibly awakens your fruit. Monster point is that taken to the maximum. We've also seen users like Marco and Kaido (he took on a more serpentine form on his lower body before hitting Luffy with a Ragnaraki) who can adjust their form outside the basic three forms. I think thats evidence for their awakenings

[visual merlin]

what's the advanced level that kaido uses?

[kind gate]

he does

[sonic plaza]

i stg he doesnt

find the chapter of him using advanced coc, like Kaido used, and like Roger and WB used when they clashed

[visual merlin]

Luffy did the same thing

[kind gate]

we already have the definition for awakened zoans
its not about forms
its about their toughness and absurdly fast recovery
Crocodile states this at impel down

[olive quail]

I mean in what way is Luffy's use of CoC different

[kind gate]

he uses it exactly like roger and wb
infact luffy's technique is prolly better than kaidos atm because he uses ACoA with ACoC

[sand sail]

Kaido never swapped his body parts that way, that was just a kind of poor drawing of the panel

Monster Point also probably won't be awakening, but maybe

[visual merlin]

no difference as far as we know, besides that kaido probably has stronger CoC

[sand sail]

Chapter 1010

It's exactly like Whitebeard and Roger, with even identical commentary lol

[kind gate]

yh most likely
but at the end of this battle luffy's will will prolly cus his CoC to be stronger

[sonic plaza]

marco does

[sand sail]

Marco does, yes

But Marco's fruit is also entirely unique

[kind gate]

why are we still arguing this
crocodile already explained what awakened zoans are

[sand sail]

He just explained what they could do lol

Not necessarily what causes it, or what defines it

[reef moth]

He didn't explain them. He literally just said "ayo watch out those guards are awakened zoans they'll beat yo ass"

[kind gate]

I mean his (UltraBananaBuddy) theory states that being awakened gives you different abilities from the ones Crocodile mentioned

[kind gate]

nah he explained the abilities they have because they're awakened

[sonic plaza]

chopper's monster point was made by rumble balls (science)

• and the devil fruits were prob made by science in the first place in the void century

[olive quail]

He basically said "hey theyre awakened, they're tougher and have a faster recovery rate." I never said that wasn't true, I meant that the reason that was the case is because awakening zoans have complete control over their ability to transform, and so can reach that point where they are tougher, faster, etc. Basically im saying crocodile gave out info that was both true and relevant to their situation, but obviously he didnt explain everything.

[kind gate]

maybe

[sonic plaza]

i think we will see advanced logia with sakazuki and blackbeard in the future, which would make them a lot stronger

[olive quail]

I see it like this: Df awakening is basically complete mastery over the user's df. For producer paramecias like Doflamingo and Katakuri, that means not just producing string/mochi, but turning other things into it as well. For zoans whose ability is basically transforming, wouldn't it make sense that "mastery" would be further control over their form, and the tough forms the guards take is one aspect of this? Logias have been speculated on but I think the popular environment change theory makes sense, since a logia is basically becoming an element, a natural substance, so changing the natural environment makes sense.

[fringe tide]

But that implies that if you train enough you can awaken your fruit, but didnt doffy say the user needs to experience something to awaken

[olive quail]

He only said it was rare i think

[fringe tide]

Also wasnt it already said by crocodile that awakened zoans are just sturdier stronger plus fast healing

[olive quail]

He was warning them of their abilities in the context of their situation. He never said that was all it was. Complete control over your forms should mean you could reach that state.

[sonic plaza]

do any of you guys have a good idea on what the final matchups + new bounties will be for wano

[craggy pumice]

I think we have most of them already

and Sanji vs. King or Queen

[sonic plaza]

do you think zoro is out for the rest of wano?

[dusky acorn]

LOCKED
Jinbei vs Who's Who,
Robin/Brook vs Maria,
Inu vs Jack,
Nami/Usopp/Tama vs Ulti/Page 1
Fukurokuju vs Raizo
NEW
[Yamato]/Luffy vs Kaido,
Kid, Killer, [Hawkins] vs Big Mom,
[Sanji] vs King or Queen,
[Carrot and Marco vs Perospero]
Chopper/[Drake] vs Queen, or
Drake scuffles Apoo until the end of the war seeing as Drake still hates him.
Rest of the Scabbards find and lay the final blow to Kanjuro, and are there in his final moments.

[mild kite]

hell no

[craggy pumice]

Probably will return for a last hoorah like always

[dusky acorn]

Zoro could find Hiyori and be there to ensure Orochi's death with her after Law fixes him, but that's probably going to be it

[craggy pumice]

I see it basically the same as Shimon

[visual merlin]

"Locked -> Jinbei vs Who's who"

[sonic plaza]

seems nice

what about new bounties tho

[dusky acorn]

I'm sorry Jinbei, I can't see more from you until your matchup finally starts getting screentime to conclude feasibly fast enough to do more

Seriously though, that MU needs more screentime

I already did my revised bounty predictions, I'll post the messgae link

#manga-theories message

[sonic plaza]

what about chopper and marco

[visual merlin]

you think marco will get an increase?

[craggy pumice]

next chapter we deffo see more of Jinbei vs. Who's Who!!!

[dusky acorn]

Marco getting a bounty increase? I think his bounty is already extremely high, I don't think any feat he could do here would necessarily increase it, unless he actually takes out a commander

[late adder]

Zoro bounty is going to be like 1.3 he's scarred Kaido if that somehow gets out it'll be big for him.

[sonic plaza]

true

[visual merlin]

anywhere from 900-1.2 bil for zoro for me

[late adder]

Luffy, I agree with your initial bounty shimon for him. Seems about right.

If Kid and Killer defeats Big mom somehow which I don't see how it'll happen but who knows with oda that'll be a huge feat for them.

[dusky acorn]

I'm sort of frightened for how they're going to do, but Kid seemed confident as always to take the imitative against her so hopefully he has something to back it up

[late adder]

Bounty definitely should triple for them.

[sonic plaza]

in terms of luffy's bounty, I feel like it will depend on how much the WG actually knows about the events at Wano

• If they learn that Luffy soloed Kaido for the 2nd half of the fight, then I can see it being 3b-3.5b
• but, if they are told that all 5 supernovas fought the 2 yonkos and Luffy got last hit on Kaido, then Luffy's bounty would be 2.5b-3b

[late adder]

I don't even see how they could beat big mom. She has yet to take damage even through all of this lol.

[dense wing]

I see Zoro over 1 billion for sure

Luffy close to 3 billion is possible, but 2.5 or 2.8 is likely

That only happens IF BB’s new bounty is higher than that though, because there’s no way Luffy will have a higher bounty than him

[late adder]

Big bitch is a tank. Lol

[sonic plaza]

what if BB shows up and kills BM or Kaido to get their fruits

[visual merlin]

It probably won't be a 20% split between the novas anyway, Luffy will get more credit than Killer and zoro at least Im pretty sure

[dense wing]

I don’t think that wherever BB is going is Wano, rather somewhere else

[sonic plaza]

also, at Levely, I think Shanks went to talk to the Elders about BB, maybe about something he did
this could push his bounty above 3b

[dense wing]

My bet is on BB too, he wouldn’t warn them ab Luffy

Shanks has been worried about BB for a long time and now he’s going to the Gorosei? That’s insane

It’s also insane that the WG respects Shanks enough to let him speak

[late adder]

Shanks a snitch lol

[sonic plaza]

they kinda have to tho
he could easily leak the WG's secrets to the whole world

[late adder]

Lil tattletalling ass mf lol. Just go beat BB up yourself.

[dense wing]

The meme is Shanks tells everyone BB is a problem but is too lazy to do anything about it himself lol

[sonic plaza]

Shanks can definitely beat BB, no doubt ever

[late adder]

He's the perfect counter for BB.

[dense wing]

I say it’s even but with whatever buff BB is going for BB is going to be stronger

[late adder]

No fruit, just haki.

[sonic plaza]

Shanks + Rayleigh are BB's perfect counters, yeah

[dense wing]

Narratively, if they fought, Shanks would lose

[sonic plaza]

its likely that their fight wont just be 1v1 fair

[dense wing]

Def not

[late adder]

I think BB going to alabasta for the world weapon.

[ember trench]

Too far away

[sonic plaza]

only Robin knows its precise location tho

[ember trench]

If anything either the government will get it or it’s not really in Alabasta

[sonic plaza]

I also think the gov might have the 4th road poneglyph

[sand sail]

Not relying on a devil fruit doesn't make someone Blackbeard's counter. He still has the strongest Paramecia in the world, and the Yami Yami is a devastating fruit even without stealing powers away

But for Pluton, I want to see Water 7 turn into it

[ember trench]

Ehhhh

I don’t know if Iceberg would ever do that

[sand sail]

Iceburg was already enacting plans to turn it into a ship, and the dude actually did read the prints to Pluton

I'm just saying man

Tweak here, nail there, and you've got yourself a warship.

[craggy pumice]

wouldnt that be disrespecting Franky?

[ember trench]

It’s for the same reason I hate the Sunny being Plutpn theories. Iceberg was totally against making weapons of war, especially Pluton

[craggy pumice]

it would definitely be cool but idk if it would fit Icebergs character

[sonic plaza]

i think the water 7 pluton blueprints storyline is over

[sand sail]

What if he felt he had to?

After seeing to what lengths the government was willing to go to get their way

[sonic plaza]

where is the 4th poneglyph

[ember trench]

Only see him making pluton of the original was found and in the wrong hands. But personally I don’t think he or Franky can recreate it without the blueprints

[late adder]

I wish Franky would have make sunny pluton but honestly that ship already overpowered as is lol. It can go backwards for fucks sake lol

[quaint haven]

I always thought his cola weapon would be like a mini version of pluton as he knows how its built but probably not 😂

That panel at the bottom with the clouds rumbling... Got me thinking dragon was gna appear

[craggy pumice]

Thats Big Moms doing

[pure raven]

What if Laugh Tale was in the Calm Belt?
The Calm Belt seems relatively unexplored. Its purpose in the story so far is mainly to serve as a barrier to enter/escape the Grand Line. The Navy uses the belt as a 'backdoor' to the Grand Line but what are the chances of them having explored the entire thing? Vegapunk only recently introduced the idea of seastones strapped to the hulls of their ships.

Koby himself remarks that it isn't 100% safe so there's the possibility of regular ships not making it.

Lengthwise, there's as much Calm Belt to explore as there is Grand Line. Widthwise there's more to explore according to diagram below:

We already know that islands do indeed exist on the Calm Belt e.g. Amazon Lily and Ruskaina. Even Impel Down is located in the Calm Belt. The Kuja tribe don't seem to be focused on expanding their domain so they probably haven't explored the belt.

Another interesting observation is that Luffy calls it cheating. They've technically cheated by not having to go to the penultimate island.

The Calm Belt is a fundamental and relatively unexplored aspect of the One Piece world's geography. What better place to learn more about it than as the location of Laugh Tale?

Let me know what you guys think

[sonic plaza]

then the navy would have found it

[radiant quarry]

Exactly and if the navy found it they station a admiral level combatant to guard the island

[dense wing]

There’s no way the Marines found Laughtale

While it could be there I believe there’s a specific reason why you need the 4 glyphs to find Laugh Tale besides location, otherwise random people would run into it

[quaint haven]

Its gna be something like king kong island. Appears behind a storm or something. 😂

[zinc latch]

Theory does zoro have conquer haki?kings haki?

[little mortar]

Could it be....! Mom & Lost Daughter

[little mortar]

He has

[zinc latch]

We never seen him use it

[sonic plaza]

he doesnt know he has it

[zinc latch]

Let's wait in till 1011 chapter then

[dusky acorn]

It doesn't matter if he didn't clearly use it, the Conqeurors haki is still what Kaido sensed so he must have it

There's no point in Kaido questioning such a hyper-specific thing about that specific haki category for Zoro if he wasn't exerting it in some fashion

He might have given off the Conqeurors haki aura when he gave it his all, but since there was no fodder around, naturally no one was knocked out

[sonic plaza]

also, if Kaido wasnt sure, I dont think he would have said anything

[nocturne iron]

So any theory about Uranaus

[olive pewter]

i mean, the fact that he said 'can you use conqueror's too?' as a question means he WAS unsure right? im not saying zoro doesnt have it, but i think it could still be up for questioning

[quasi roost]

I mean it was you can use, not can you use so it's more or less confirmed I would say

[errant oxide]

Kaido wouldn’t confuse it for something else.

[olive pewter]

so its more of a question out of surprise than curiosity i guess

[quasi roost]

Yeah that's what I took too, I thought it was can you use too but in the official translation it was you can use, so that confirmed it as a question of surprise

[polar bison]

it's literally a question

[quasi roost]

It's a rhetorical question by the framing

[last halo]

So, do you guys think Kaido will die? As much as Luffy always said he would defeat Kaido, and Zoro talked about cutting him, the remaining characters, like the scabbards and Kid have talked more about killing him, right? I have my personal theory that all the og emperors will achieve their personal "dreams", so I believe we will see Kaido dying in this arc.

The problem is Luffy would never kill him. And now, the characters who I feel like have it in them to kill him, are leaving the fight. Zoro and Law took too much damage, especially Zoro, and Kid is dealing with Big Mom elsewhere. And Kid is the key character in this.

After reading Shimon's theory about how Kid will be the one to defeat Big Mom, I started to question myself on the subject of Kaido's death.

The best scenario I came up with is Kid and Luffy defeating Big Mom and Kaido, respectively. But, since those two are "stamina monsters", they are too strong to just be defeated. Kaido needs to die, or else he'll just get back up later and start terrorizing Wano again, once Luffy leaves. Arresting him is pointless, as we know he has been so many times in the past and look at where he's at now. As for Big Mom, if Kid doesn't manage to use CoC on his attacks, I'd feel like he wouldn't be able to deal the damage necessary to take her out of the fight completely. Mainly because I think she needs to be permanently reverted back to O-Lin, and that would be her character's "goal".

So, in the scenario where Luffy and Kid defeat the emperors, who would still need to be dealt with, what if they simply change opponents? If Kaido needs to be killed and Luffy can't do it, here's Kid who is merciless and should be able to decapitate a defeated Kaido (he talked about replacing the skull on his ship with Kaido's skull). Then, Luffy with his new abilities that damages opponents without touching them, maybe he could have an attack so powerful that would jump past Lillin's tank of a body and do damage inside her, killing the Mother Caramel part of her that the fanbase has theorized so much, thus leaving Lillin, who we know as O-Lin, to go back to what she would perceive as a paradise: a land full of candies, with people from all the races living in harmony.

[polar bison]

shim im so upset at this that im writing a long drawn out anti-zoro coc theory now,

[dusky acorn]

Yeah, I and am sure many other people can't see a scenario where Kaido isn't killed with how much he talks about it, and how none of his past captures ever worked in the past.

I've already made it a point that Big Mom and Kaido will be regrouping at a later stage of this arc, presumably around their final moments, which also means Kid and Luffy will. Big Mom should be by Kaido's presence as his flashback takes place if she's really supposed to be such a relevant character during it, giving him his devil fruit and everything.
It's fitting as you say, both of their characters can lend towards doing what's needed for each Yonko in the end. Kid being bloodthirsty enough to walk the whole mile and make Kaido lose his life, and Luffy hitting deep enough with his haki into Big Mom's noggin to change her psyche once more. Both of these things could end up happening while they're very vulnerable or even flat-out defeated already

Oh lol Khi, I was a big Zoro coc denier as you know as well. It's too difficult to conjure up a good case for it anymore to me. If you can make a good one I can argue on the side for in the future, that'd be awesome though

It just feels sorta disingenuous to go against what seems to be pushed right now, Kaido saying it seems very different from say, how Brook said it prior

I've heard people speculating it can be due to Enma or something though, we'll see what you come up with

[weak arrow]

I mean there's 4 options to what happened imo:

Zoro used Advanced Conqueror's
Zoro used regular conqueror's
Oden's conqueror's will from inside Enma
Zoro's attack was so strong that Kaido thought it had be conqueror's infused

I'd say regular conqueror's is the most likely option at the moment.

[polar bison]

i think it's likely 4, possibly with an assist from 3

Enma was very clearly doing some wonky shit since it literally left the page

[dusky acorn]

Most likely to me is Option 2, then 3 and 4, and then a biig gap between those and ONE*. It would be really weird for Zoro to skip the step all the way to Advanced Conqeurors when he hadn't ever even used the normal one

[polar bison]

would also really be weird for there to be less than 0 visual indicators of it

[weak arrow]

If only we knew more about the creation of black blade process . I feel like knowing that would just increase the chance or eliminate option 3 if we just knew how it worked

i hold some weight into option 3 because I think the creation process heavily involves the will of the swordsman. Idk what y'all think though.

[pure raven]

Bruh
Who deleted my text

[grizzled fog]

Option 4 is weird to me, like I would think it’s just a different feeling? If a strong enough attack FEELS like it has coc, then did Hakai give off that feeling? Did king punch?

[gloomy canyon]

Enma drawing out his Conqueror's haki makes the most sense to me tbh. You can justify that without the necessity for the same visual indicator that Luffy, WB, Roger, and Kaido have for the CoC coating technique they use. In all honesty, there could be a swordsman application of CoC that's different from this coating technique, and it could be what Oden used to damage Kaido as well

Option 3 sounds repulsive to me, I'd rather Zoro not have CoC at all than for it to be Oden's CoC latent inside Enma. That would suck

[grizzled fog]

That’d be funny as shit but I really hate the idea of haki being stored in swords

[polar bison]

but that's literally what Wano has been building towards

[grizzled fog]

¿

[gloomy canyon]

Storing CoC and haki from other people inside swords? No it hasn't

[weak arrow]

Im not sure i agree with khione's wording, but BM hyped zoro's sword, not the attack itself or zoro

[polar bison]

and that's what Oda alluded to when he was asked what devil fruits he'd give the Strawhats - he wouldn't to Zoro - he'd give it to his sword

all the ringo talk of swords maintaining their previous wielders' strength??? the build up for zoro to turn enma into a black blade??? it clearly reacting to chances to wound kaidou, who oden has a personal grudge against? and finally, Zoro's now clear place in the story where he's heading to kill Orochi and avenge Tonoyasu, but also hahahahaha Enma is gonna eat good from that because yes Oden's spirit is within the sword

he's gonna turn enma into a blackblade by beheading orochi bc oda thought it was funny to say zoro would have kaidou as a sword in an sbs when really he's giving him oden as a sword

search ur feelings.

[gloomy canyon]

BM said that's no ordinary sword .... which we know it isn't. It's extracts and exudes ridiculous amounts of the user's haki.

[polar bison]

u know it to be true.

[gloomy canyon]

Ofc Big Mom would warn Kaido, we saw what the attack did, and the attack was so large because Enma is drawing out copious amounts of Zoro's haki at once.

[weak arrow]

That means BM can tell its the sword drawing out the haki and not Zoro himself. BM with hype observation?

[gloomy canyon]

who knows, but she can tell it's Enma drawing out the haki clearly

[dense wing]

Keep in mind Enma is most likely pulling out Oden and Zoro’s Haki in that moment, which is also why BM is so alerted

It’s an immense amount of Haki

I personally agree with Evan, (I think he said this), that Enma drew out Zoro’s CoC

[gloomy canyon]

How would it be pulling out Oden's haki? That would imply that it can store user's haki as well ... which we have not been lead to believe and personally I would not like at all. If Oden's haki still lingered within the sword and that's what damaged kaido, that would just suck. Almost as if Zoro didn't even damage Kaido, but it was Oden again.

[waxen light]

I don't think this passage should be taken literally. Since they are gifted their katanas at birth and carry them until the day they die, it's like an extension of themselves. If your companion dies in battle and you pick up their katana, you're finishing the fight for them. I don't think it's literally saying that their haki is stored there and can be transferred from person to person. It's the whole inherited will thing that permeates the manga.

[polar bison]

why would you not think that passage should be taken literally when we are seeing it before our eyes with Enma and it's been directly stated as such in the manga by the characters

[dense wing]

Fair enough, I think it’s a possibility though

But regardless yeah that panel reinforces that Enma could draw out CoC, even if Zoro isn’t aware

[sand sail]

I didn't remember that was a thing

Lends a lot of strength to Zoro using Oden's conqueror's

[gloomy canyon]

^^ Yep. That would just be hacks. And we kind of already know that's not the case due to Shusui. Shusui was a very powerful sword and one of the 21 great grades, so very high quality. But when Zoro wielded it, he didn't just become as strong as Ryuma or be able to exude Ryuma's haki. Enma itself "works similarly to a cursed blade", that is how Zoro is able to draw out mass amounts of haki

[sand sail]

No, but Shusui did display an "attitude" and drastically improved Zoro's strength

[weak arrow]

Basically, it all boils down to how you think a black blade is made. The most popular theory, and tbh the only good one, is that it involves the swordsman pouring their will (haki) into the blade, and eventually it'll turn black. Since this foreshadows Enma becoming a black blade. It sort of hints that Oden's progress towards it becoming a blackblade is not really nullified upon his death, thus "keeping his will" in the blade

[sand sail]

But also, could be a matter of Shusui never being truly his?

[gloomy canyon]

Does it? "In battle when your companion dies before your eyes, you take his sword and continue onward" To me, this would be more applicable to Zoro inheriting Wado from Kuina and promising to become the WSS for her. And that's what gives him strength. Zoro really has no real connection to Oden other than association with Momo and Hiyori. Whereas with the Wado, his best friend's sword, he carries on her will.

[weak arrow]

the important part is the other speech bubble lol

[sand sail]

No one said they had to be bosom buddies lol

It's just you're carrying on an ally's will

[weak arrow]

"The soul that resides in the katana" part is the important statement

[gloomy canyon]

I'm confused what your stance is then. Because that seems to be a symbolic thing for ALL katanas, and I didn't take it in a literal sense. But then people are saying that ENMA is the how it has somehow stored Oden's haki and that's what Zoro is releasing. So what... is storing the haki of past users something every sword can do?

I'm gonna be frank with you, the idea that Zoro hurt Kaido with Oden's haki and not his own sounds awful to me. I'd rather this not be Zoro's CoC at all than for it to be somebody else's haki

[weak arrow]

Probably every graded sword, at least

[sand sail]

Nah, it's about the relationship

Kuina didn't really have some deep, long history with Wado

Enma was with Oden throughout years of adventures on the other hand, and apparently was almost upgraded because of it

So there's a pretty big difference between it and other swords

[waxen light]

Hmmm, so to put it simply, Enma has a progress bar towards becoming a black blade and it's been filled with Oden's haki and Zoro is unleashing that right now?

[weak arrow]

Basically, if you think enma is becoming black before wado, the only reasonable way of that happening is if oden's "soul/will/haki/whatever you wanna call it" is stored

[gloomy canyon]

And people say they don't like Zoro having CoC because it's not a power he made his own lol. Literally just releasing Oden's haki from a sword that stored it for 20 years is the definition of not using his own power lmao. I think it can store previous' users will or some shit as if you've seen me talk about black blades before, I've said I think it's going "soul/spirit" related, but I don't think swords, including Enma, can just store the specific haki of past users for future use. That doesn't sit right with me at all

Like imagine if Luffy's straw hat has stored the haki of Shanks and Roger and Luffy can tap into their haki for his own use. That would just suck. That's not his own power, that's literally just using 2 of the strongest people ever's power

[waxen light]

God, that would be fucking hilarious.

[gloomy canyon]

Juba said it the other day, but I think this is what's going on. I think Zoro is exuding large amounts of haki, and most likely his CoC haki in his latest attack, and Kaido is detecting that and associating that to his fight with Oden

[waxen light]

I'm with you though, if Zoro is going to be wielding CoC, I want it to be from him. I don't know how I would feel about him tapping into Oden's reserves of Haki.

[gloomy canyon]

For me it would suck. And be hypocritical for the people who want Zoro to have his own power

Zoro just releasing pent up haki from one of the strongest swordsmen to ever exist? Rather than him, the FUTURE world's greatest swordsman, using his own power? Nah, give me a break. That would suck. I'd literally rather Zoro not have CoC at all than for that to be the case

[waxen light]

But yeah, when Juba posted that I went back to read the bits with Kaido mentioning it. It seems like he thinks it's Oden's haki cause the only time he felt it was against Oden but comes to the realization that it's the sword's own aura, which he attributed to Oden initially. Though I can see how you can read it the other way if you think otherwise.

[nimble hinge]

Why does this not apply to Shisui? As an actual black blade which would have even more Haki poured into it, wouldn't it be adding Haki to attacks. Including CoC, since Ryuma was "King of the Swordsman"

[gloomy canyon]

Exactly

[polar bison]

i think it's more that once a sword has been actualized as a black blade, it just gets an insane permanent buff as a sword and stops latently releasing energy or doing any other weird bullshit

[nimble hinge]

There's a lot of assumptions being added to make this work, I feel like.

[weak arrow]

It can also be due to Enma's weird haki effect, which shisui does not have.

[polar bison]

shisui may not have it because it's a black blade and not in the process of becoming one

[nimble hinge]

So once Enma becomes a black blade, Zoro will no longer have access to Oden's haki?

[gloomy canyon]

I think every time Kaido has brought up Oden, it's because the only real reference he can use is his fight with Oden. All by association. I don't know what exactly he's feeling

[nimble hinge]

No CoC based attacks once Enma has become a black blade.

[waxen light]

Yeah that's what I got from the exchange.

[polar bison]

more like blackblade enma = enma + oden's haki permanently

[nimble hinge]

So every attack with enma will be CoC infused using Oden's haki. But Shishui, which is a black blade, and belonged to Ryuma, has no haki attributes.

[glacial kindle]

Quora seems to say that Enma is the same grade as Shusui. But we know that black blades increase a blade's rank by one, so does that mean that Enma, without the status of a black blade, is already more powerful than Shusui?

[weak arrow]

It can also be due to Enma's weird haki effect, which shisui does not have.

[polar bison]

I mean Shisui was monstrously powerful. how are we to say the attributes it had weren't only because of the effects ryuuma's haki had on it to turn it into a black blade?

[nimble hinge]

I thought this whole discussion was about will and souls living on in swords. Not enma in particular. And Enma draws out the users haki. Does it now have the additional property of storing a users haki indefinitely and adding that into attacks?

Even after it's been passed on to a completely different user.

I'm just trying to get everything straight. Because there seems to be a few moving parts, and they're not entirely consistent.

[weak arrow]

I'd say all swords or at least graded ones would be able to "store haki", but since enma is unusual in its haki aspect, it could also pull out the haki also stored in it.

Granted, i'd say this is still a lower chance than zoro just having conqueror's, but it's definitely something that could reasonably be explained if this is how Oda wants to go about it

[gloomy canyon]

Yeah come on, so many assumptions here all to denounce Zoro having CoC. I think the reason the idea of it being Oden's haki rather than Zoro's himself sucks to me is because I find it weird how people don't want Zoro to have CoC because it's not a power he made his own through effort, but then are ok with him literally using Oden's haki to damage Kaido.

Adam you say it's due to Enma's weird haki effect, so then the panel Wanze brought up about the soul residing in the katana doesn't actually apply to other swords, and it's just Enma being weird. I think Enma doing what it normally does with haki, extracting large amounts from the wielder to use at once, with Zoro's CoC is most likely. Just using someone else's haki because your sword stored it sounds like an awful idea to me.

[weak arrow]

Well the soul residing in the swords would still apply, it's just other swords dont have that unique effect. So if some swordsman made immense progress on another sword, but died, and zoro picked it up, it's not like he's starting from scratch. It's not like it's just enma

[sand sail]

The soul residing in the katana only applies to particular blades that have made that connection

[nimble hinge]

And there's the additional question of, when does Enma decide if it wants to add Oden's CoC haki into an attack.

Because clearly, it's not been that case for every attack. There's another requirement, seemingly at least, on top of all the other caveats and assumptions.

[polar bison]

it's been pretty consistently when it's directed at kaidou

[gloomy canyon]

I can buy the idea that if Zoro were to turn Enma black, the progress Oden made when he used it throughout his life would still be applied. But I think this is some spiritual true swordsman shit about harnessing the essence of a sword through many battles. The idea that a sword can store the literal haki of previous users for future use just demeans anything Zoro has done with swords like Enma and Shusui. When Zoro defeated Pica, did he exude Ryuma's haki, not actually his own? How do we know when he's using his own haki and not just someone else's? I would literally attribute this to if Luffy's Straw Hat were to store the haki or Roger and Shanks for Luffy to use. It's the same principle.

[polar bison]

because that's someone Oden has a personal grudge against. and again, Zoro's clear path in onigashima now is to kill orochi

[weak arrow]

Welcome to all the sanji fans who use similar reasoning for hating the raidsuit

[nimble hinge]

Except he's used multiple attacks on the rooftop. And Kaido has commented on CoC exactly once.

[polar bison]

think of it this way: Oden as a character literally exists so that Zoro can use his demonic hell form blackened sword. how cool is that for marimo head

[polar bison]

kaidou's commented on the strange energy coming from zoro's sword,,, several times my dude

[gloomy canyon]

??? Nah, Enma choosing to release Oden's haki only against Kaido? Come on now. That's way too much. Either think Zoro doesn't have CoC at all and Kaido was wrong and it was just Zoro's natural raw power. Or that Zoro has CoC and it's his OWN CoC that he used against Kaido. The idea that Enma stored Oden's haki for the past 20 years and has been specifically waiting for kaido to release it just sounds way too much and out there.

[nimble hinge]

And only now he's realizing it's CoC? After several instances?

[polar bison]

i mean,,,

we r seeing it on page,,, have u watched the rooftop fight

[weak arrow]

you know the sword has literally not been used since oden's death

[polar bison]

actually i'm just gonna write the theory it'll be more coherent i'llg et back to u in like, a day idk

[waxen light]

Oden only existing to prop Zoro up is so cringe lmao

[gloomy canyon]

Exactly, so how would it be choosing to release specifically for kaido lol

[polar bison]

yet literally 100% something a zoro stan like oda would do

[errant oxide]

Can you send this panel

[waxen light]

[polar bison]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/477571830941614080/832060518474186772/unknown.png?width=456&height=570

[gloomy canyon]

You think Zoro stans would like it if Zoro wasn't using his own power and just using Oden's?

[nimble hinge]

The assumptions and reasons keep piling on.

[polar bison]

i don't really care what most zoro stans think, they barely understand the character outside of how hard they get when he cuts someone really good. oda's a true stan who hypes Zoro up in the funniest ways and i absolutely believe this is one of them

[polar bison]

chill out ur not that deep

[nimble hinge]

Ironic saying that after claiming, most people don't understand a character, while I'm assuming, you in your full wisdom clearly do.

[weak arrow]

I mean, Oda really has set it up so that it can be Oden's haki if he wants to. It'd be shitty for the most part but it's definitely there

[polar bison]

no

[nimble hinge]

Do you genuinely believe that attributing a character's strength to someone else, is Oda's way of hyping up that character? I'm not sure I follow that logic.

[gloomy canyon]

The thing is, the raidsuit makes Sanji stronger yes, but it's still Sanji using it. It's literally the same way Enma upgraded Zoro. He got a new sword that could make his attacks stronger. But the key word is HIS. Sanji using the raid suit is still Sanji himself in control of the suit. Getting the raid suit is like everytime Zoro gets a new sword, or Nami gets a new climatact, or Usopp gets a new slingshot. Zoro literally just releasing Oden's CoC is not the same to me. That's someone else's power entirely. Zoro having CoC is still his own power that stems from HE himself. Whereas using someone else's haki just defeats the purpose. Would completely take away from Zoro being the 2nd person to permanently scar Kaido, because it would just be Oden again

[polar bison]

please refer back to my previous statement where I said I would get back to this tomorrow:) goodnight sleep tight don't let the ego bite

[gloomy canyon]

Goodnight

[nimble hinge]

You just said others don't understand a character. Barely understand. Keep the ego shit to yourself.

Completely irrelevant to the discussion.

[polar bison]

I will actually be writing a 100% serious and non-condescending theory when I write it in a vacuum and i'm not fucking with primal

i'm pretty sure it'll be good but feel free to tear it apart then

i didn't even say u barely understood a character bro. i said some zoro stans did. if ur self proclaiming to be a zoro stan idk what to tell u dude

[gloomy canyon]

Lol, I can't believe I thought that Oda potentially faking out Zoro having CoC would be the worst thing. Zoro just using Oden's pent up haki that's been stored in Enma rather than using any of his own power is infinitely worse Almost makes me think Zoro not having CoC isn't even that bad in comparison

[waxen light]

We'll be vindicated in due time

[dense wing]

Honestly watch all of this become moot in 2-3 chapters

There will be some very dejected theorists

[sonic plaza]

i dont think Oda would just troll us with something like that

[pure raven]

If that happens... oh boy

Lolonoa Lolo

The debates will be extra toxic

[gloomy canyon]

I think it's a bad precedent, borderline hypocritical, would not like it at all.

[umbral bison]

Wait Enma may have some of Odens haki in it but it's mostly zoro

When Zoro got Enma they made mention that no one could control it BEFORE and AFTER oden, meaning Enma was doing the haki pull even before Oden used jt

It's probably not Odens haki and Kaido just associates a sword doing that with Oden

But it's drawing from Zoro

[wild veldt]

Either it is all oden haki that's left over or kaido is just wrong. Either way after wano, I think there will be no more oden haki in enma. I still want Zoro to get shusui back and return enma. If enma is just forcefully boosting zoro withoutside haki, he wouldn't really like that. Tho him wanting to taking full control of enma would be a zoro thing as to keep it.

[sand robin]

enma can store oden haki is just ridiculous theory coz they dont like zoro have coc

[wild veldt]

It not a ridiculous theory cause kaido keeps saying it https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/477571830941614080/832060518474186772/unknown.png?width=456&height=570

[pure raven]

When a df user come close to the last island df user get sick do you believe that

[supple nimbus]

He sensed the same type of intense aura, from Zoro a swordsman who he sees as an impudent brat, as he felt from Oden, a swordsman man who was able to get past his defenses. It would be kind of obvious that, Kaido wouldn't associate Zoro with the Haki, becasue he simply at that time could not even think of associating this aura with Zoro cause he simply thought Zoro was just another brat

[tawdry hound]

good point

[jovial fulcrum]

We've only seen Buggy but if Luffy cant go Im throwing hands

[ancient vault]

I agree with you but I still dont think the raid suit was a good power up and im hoping he gets his own thing soon

[dusty galleon]

Idk if this belongs here or in #manga but...
Since we know Big Mom was associated with Musicals, and Kaido has been associated with kabuki, do you guys reckon shanks and bb will also be associated with some form of theatre?

If so, what could those forms be?

[nova elk]

i really wanted to say soap opera, but idk if itd really fit either shanks or bb

[languid badger]

I think it's pretty obvious that Zoro has to have CoC.

He is the Nr 2 of the Strawhats.

There are many parralels like we see in the Roger/Rayleigh flashbacks.
So Rayleigh is Roger's right Hand and also has CoC.

Why should Zoro not have CoC?

For me this is perfectly plausible.

[winter wave]

Will of the D = Will of the Dead. A will so strong that it transcends death and carries on in life. The best example would be Gol D. Roger and Luffy. Luffy carries Roger’s will.

[tame tendon]

I think bc zoro's will power is at the closest level as luffy compare to another SHP crew. It shown the most when the first time he fought mihawk, he'd rather chose to die than step back

[tidal scarab]

What if only enma contains kings haki?

[pure raven]

Whats the debate today?

[waxen light]

Same old

[barren mesa]

This isn't bad, cause coc is a factor in making a blade permanently black, but that's just my theory

[supple yacht]

One of them gotta be sea shanties which isn’t a type of theatre but it’s still like a form of entertainment

Prolly shanks since luffy says he first heard binks sake from shanks

[tawdry oriole]

"tamed"..enma already had some traits before like haki hungry and releasing more power than intended so i wouldnt call everything oden related...sure it might hv some residue of Oden haki being fed ...or maybe Kaido knows coz of the power it released...

[haughty wharf]

I have theory
Wouldn’t it will be cool if MORIA use his power and revive whitebread or gol d roger for luffy as final obstacle for one Piece

Or buggy will give his arm to shanks for his final battle

[tired osprey]

He could revive xebec

[tiny forum]

Yeah possible

[tiny forum]

Not possible

[bold gull]

I think that wano and totto land are a representation of different political ideology rather than forms of theater. Totto land is a capitalistic society, there's way too much food and to live there people are willing to give up a part of their soul. The musical theme really looks like a mockery of old disney movies (especially the beauty and the beast). Wano is a representation of japan society during the edo period. It is isolated from the rest of the world, social classes are completely separated, a few people are incredibly wealthy while the rest of the population can just eat leftovers when they're lucky

The revolutionary army looks like anarchists in this context.

[wispy mirage]

yo

[haughty wharf]

I know but I just want to see

[tiny forum]

After wano it will be like rush game imo because all multiple plotlines will get open and anything can happen

Like revolutionary
Alabasta incident
BB is going against marines
Also shanks is going to make his move

[rigid creek]

What do y'all think about this, Monkey D. Dragon is Uranus.

[marble marlin]

nah i feel like he has a huge part but not uranus

[rigid creek]

Uranus in greek mythology is supposed to be the father of the titans, and god of the sky before zeus.

And in logue town he could control the weather and stuff

[marble marlin]

wow a really nice theory

[rigid creek]

and also pluton is hades or god of the underworld which is what the world government wanted to use if the other ancient weapons were to resurface

And if you take the relationship between Zeus (who is also god of the sky) and hades who is the equivalent of pluton, they aren't friends and more enemies than anything. So if dragon is uranus and the enemy of the world government, the ones who want or will somehow use pluton, then dragon being uranus just fits even more.

[shadow pike]

Funk freed was a sword that ate the zou zou no mi to become an elephant sword right? Is it possible that Oden ate a kata kata no mi fruit and became fused with Enma before he died

[kind gate]

no

[shadow pike]

@kind gate you should change your avatar to you on the bball court

[kind gate]

I would hate that so much lmao
plus he was already dead in the pot how tf will he eat the fruit and be with enma?

[kind gate]

maybe one day

[shadow pike]

Kanjulo drew him haha

I wonder if Spandam will ever make a reappearance

[kind gate]

maybe didn't we see spandam with lucci?
or am I tripping?

[shadow pike]

ah yeah youre right

[sand sail]

Yep, Spandam was at Dressrosa

[dire obsidian]

How popular is the theory that the one piece is Uranus?

If Pluton is a giant boat, Neptune or whatever it’s called is the ability to destroy sea kings, then the Uranus can be something that has the ability to turn the world into almost entirely ocean by destroying the red line and probably fish man island. Lines up with Sharley predicting Luffy destroying fishman island and all blue as well as why Roger would’ve been too early to reach Raftel since Shirahoshi wasn’t born yet

All three of the ancient weapons were going to be used during the void century but the world government stopped it but Joy Boy left Uranus in hiding to be discovered in the future. That also explains why the world government wouldn’t want anyone to find the one piece as well

[shadow pike]

Is it possible that Franky modeled Sunny Go after Pluton?

[dire obsidian]

It’s possible. I imagined Pluton was hiding somewhere in fishman island, but it could be in Marie Jois as well. If the D clan was readying to use the weapons in the void century, it’s possible the world government seized it

[queen arrow]

the Enies Lobby arc wouldn't happen if the government had Pluton

the entire point of Spandam's mission was to get Pluton for the government to help enforce justice

[dull pumice]

Pluton is said to be in Alabasta though

[supple nimbus]

What? No.....

[dire obsidian]

That’s possible. I don’t really have a firm belief on where Pluton is

[fringe tide]

Vivi coming back with pluton for vengeance for what the government “allegedly”did to cobra

[dull pumice]

King Cobra mentioned it being in Alabasta, and the poneglyph in Alabasta supposedly reveals its exact location
We don't have any more clues on it yet but I would bet on it being in Alabasta
It could be related to the reason Nefetari family decided to stay there during the void century

[dire obsidian]

Yeah, maybe they were hiding it there after the world government's attack on the d clan or something

[pure raven]

Yeah it basically shows japan and its journey of industrialisation and the border/outsiders/foreigners
Aint that clear?

[dense wing]

@gloomy canyon @dusky acorn Recap of an earlier argument, in the future if you don't want to be pinged let me know

[gloomy canyon]

lmao

love it

[pure raven]

That is tremendous. Please recommend it as a command or something in #funnies

I want to use it

[dense wing]

Too dense of a video to be a command I think

[bold gull]

I wonder ho far will oda go with this kind of real world parallels and wether one piece is getting too political lol

[pure raven]

One piece prop one of the most political animes there is lmao
Slavery
Industrialisation
Racism
Class war

[light python]

thats a lot of series though

but i agree one piece has time to explore all of those in detail

[bold gull]

That's true but i think that the connections with real world in wano and totto land are much more explicit

[pure raven]

True true but it was also a main part of sabaody

[ancient vault]

post this in #manga and @night jewel pin it lmfao

[craggy pumice]

Eman gave himself the funniest skin

[dense wing]

What can I say, I'm an Ace Detective

If anything I gave Shimon the best character

[cyan berry]

Smh Klavier isn't on the prosecutor's side 0/10

[dense wing]

I made a few errors yeah

[pure raven]

here is my prediction.
zolo is sleeping, kidd and killer will lose to big mom (still don't know where this is headed), luffy vs kaido will end in kaido getting the upperhand and beating luffy while for some reason in base dragon form and zolo will wake up and behead kaido ryuma style at the flower capital

[boreal mica]

zolo

[craggy pumice]

Sounds like a plan

[pure raven]

pirate hunter
Shimotsuki Zolo

[light python]

apparently kaido cant die

[pure raven]

if he can be harmed he can be killed speedreader

[light python]

well he tried to kill himself many times

[pure raven]

big mom can kill him

shanks>Teach>linlin>kaido

[sturdy hawk]

Nah kaido is the strongest

[pure raven]

guys i think i know the ending to one piece, wanna hear it?

[frozen gust]

How do you know shanks strength?

[pure raven]

ask the fishmen

[frozen gust]

Huh

[frozen gust]

I still don't think luffy and Zoro are that strong I think there will be a third party

Although Zoro finishing him off would be good

[pure raven]

big mom betrayal maybe?

[frozen gust]

Could be

Who do you think is the lurking legend that will be introduced during wano ?

[pure raven]

some rando that found sea prism

or a reveal that zolo is a descendant of ryuma

[frozen gust]

We have some clues tho

[frozen gust]

Could be

[pure raven]

also good pfp jack the ripper

[frozen gust]

I think xebec or shiki is the lurking legend
Thanks

[pure raven]

shiki appeared in a cover story

drinking with crocus while wearing the same type of strawhat that oars jr was wearing during marineford

[frozen gust]

Ic ic

[cyan berry]

nah that wasnt confirmed to be shiki

[pure raven]

Do you think tama tames kaido after he is defeated? lol

[split ledge]

@pure raven not gonna happen... she can only use it at SMILE users

[cyan berry]

i mean we don't have confirmation on that yet

[pure raven]

maybe but have we haven't seen it on normal users...

[split ledge]

@frozen gust xebec👍🏻

[cyan berry]

we've just seen her use her powers on Smiles exclusively, so we can't say for sure that her powers dont work on a Zoan fruit user

[split ledge]

I think that xebec is lurking legend who will make a come back with shiki...

[frozen gust]

I think so too

[frozen gust]

Hmm could be

[frozen gust]

Bruh I don't think so...

[pure raven]

yeah but still the conversation of shanks with the gorosei ...

[craggy pumice]

Bruh I think so ...

[cyan berry]

considering we've seen some marine officers outright say "this is the return of the legend" you have no choice but to believe it

[frozen gust]

How can lurking legend be a allience ?

[grizzled fog]

¿

[split ledge]

Or there can be one more thing ... xebec will come and strt gathering his group in order to become king of the world ... and then there will be one if the greatest fight ...

[craggy pumice]

[frozen gust]

There's multiple legends in the series tho

[cyan berry]

Because it symbolizes the return of Rocks in the form of the Big Mom and Kaido alliance, considering they were in the Rocks crew

[frozen gust]

Could be true tbh

[cyan berry]

yes but only two of them are currently alive, and only two of them are on Wano

[pure raven]

the conversation of shanks with the gorosei might imply the lurking legend i think

[cyan berry]

unless you're saying that somehow the marines failed at executing Xebec

[craggy pumice]

Millions of One Piece fans collectively forgetting that "Legend" doesnt always refer to an actual person

[pure raven]

so i dont think it is the alliance

[split ledge]

Shiki🙄🙄🙄

[cyan berry]

you have absolutely nothing to base that on parid

[frozen gust]

That's what I think that's why he's named the lurking legend cuz we have seen sengoku say he's dead

[cyan berry]

ah yes shiki, my favorite legend, the man who has done jack shit since his escape from Impel Down

[split ledge]

Thats one crew at that time but now both bm and kaido have their own crew with a lot of apprentices

[frozen gust]

And if it was big mom and kaido won't it be confirmed by now that it's them ?

[cyan berry]

I understand wanting certain characters to be relevant and the "Lurking Legend" to be an actual character, but so far the only proof we have on this "Lurking Legend" is the Big Mom and Kaido alliance, an alliance said by the marines to be "The Return of the Legend"

obviously Oda won't go "this character is the lurking legend" in the story like some sort of trash writer

[grizzled fog]

The lurking legend thing happened outside the manga yes? Meaning you aren’t gonna get some exact statement calling these two “the lurking legend”. What we have is as close as we’ll get to confirmation

[frozen gust]

Also kaido and big mom were introduced before wano oda said that the lurking legend will hinder in it's way

[cyan berry]

none of the characters in the manga have ever said the words "lurking legend"

Big Mom and Kaido were never allied before Wano

[frozen gust]

I can see why you think it's kaido but it being big mom is not possible

[grizzled fog]

¿

[frozen gust]

Introduction doesn't mean allience

[cosmic bear]

Anyone have any good theories regarding the incident that happened in the Reverie?

[split ledge]

And kaido was also going to strt a war against world ... maybe navy failed to execute xebec and he was staying there in onigashima and pulling strings behind kaidos every moove🙄

[cyan berry]

You realize that Big Mom is also an Emperor of the Sea, just like Kaido, right?

[frozen gust]

That doesn't prove anything

[cyan berry]

i give up

[frozen gust]

Big mom was introduced way back it could be kaido tho

[weak arrow]

It’s lurking legend of Rocks and Kaido and big mom alliance is the new coming of Rocks, thus the lurking legend.

[frozen gust]

It's an non toxic debate don't leave

[cyan berry]

please read what I am saying. I am saying that the LURKING LEGEND is the alliance of BIG MOM AND KAIDO, not either or of them. Alone they are not the lurking legend, but TOGETHER they are

[split ledge]

@cosmic bear gorosei tries to kill vivi ... but cobra came in the way and got killed then vivi saved with the help pf sabo....and there would be some other casualties

[frozen gust]

Hmmm I'll agree to that for now

[dense wing]

Lurking Legend definitely refers to the alliance being a representation of Rocks/Rocks Pirates, Rocks being the legend in question

[cyan berry]

like a marine officer outright said "this is the return of the legend" dude i swear i am not making shit up

[frozen gust]

Ik ik he said that

[cosmic bear]

i heard about the cobra thing. so u think sabo got arrested or something or is he framed for cobras death

[split ledge]

Welll another theory question ... who is stronger XEBEC OR ROGER

[frozen gust]

I was just refering to what oda said

[cyan berry]

and this is a much better result that the lurking legend be a pre-established character or group of characters than them being some random character with 0 build up

[frozen gust]

Makes sense

[pure raven]

we have no info about him so pointless

[split ledge]

In order to save vivi he had done something... he would have got to know about vivi and luffy connection..

[split ledge]

Wht type of info are you asking for🙄🙄

[cyan berry]

my opinion on that is
Im planned to have Vivi and Cobra murdered but Sabo saved Vivi and couldn't save Cobra, so they framed Sabo and his group for murdering Cobra and kidnapping Vivi

[cosmic bear]

ooh thats a good one

[split ledge]

That’s exactly what I was trying to say...

[cosmic bear]

i know sabo cant be dead just cuz of how recent he was introduced

but im tryna see what luffy thinks after wano finishes

[weak arrow]

The news either announced sabo was dead or caught/going to be executed

[cosmic bear]

reintroduced* i should say

[split ledge]

!act3

[lone hedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/164971940648321024/812008302815739914/Untitled-12.png

[grizzled fog]

I feel like the reactions from dragon and Dadan were too extreme for that tho

[weak arrow]

Act 3 never ends cause Oda can’t figure out what to do in the intermission

[cosmic bear]

i mean he was arrested in the marijoa so that kinda could be why

[cyan berry]

going back to Sabo is always an option

[weak arrow]

Yeah I agree, hence why I believe it’s death/caught/planned for execution

[keen portal]

They'd react extremely if they saw, "Revolutionary Leader Sabo Murders Alabasta King Cobra"

[weak arrow]

“We just learned he was alive” is said by one of the thugs iirc

That’s not really something you’d say in respond to that

[split ledge]

Well there is one more thing .. there were two navy admirals fujitora and the other one+ CP9 over there

[keen portal]

It's not a direct response to it no. It's a thread like "we only just learned he's alive and then he's killing kings of countries?" - insert disbelief

[split ledge]

Guesses a lot had happened

[weak arrow]

That’d be a worse red herring than marco’s stupid note

[pure raven]

How strong could cp9 be?

[craggy pumice]

630-4000 doriki strong

[pure raven]

oh meant cp0

[pure raven]

What if it's Shiki?

[lyric dust]

then oda is a hack and youss stops reading the series

[dense wing]

I am going to be writing a full theory soon on why I believe it’s possible for Oniganshima to be evacuated and then destroyed

[lyric dust]

please ping me

[dusky acorn]

Lol nice, this is a really cool recap of that previous discussion

Still waiting on Khione's own theory to come through, wonder if that can change my mind enough not to go with occam's razor on this anymore

[lyric dust]

enma drawing out Zoro's conquerors haki, hmm, never thought of it but sounds very plausible

[frozen gust]

What's his theory ?

[dusky acorn]

That Enma was responsible for the Conqeurors Haki Kaido questioned after feeling Zoro's last attack. It's a weird hypothesis, but I'll wait until it's posted instead of judging based on the previous flat theories regarding it that I've seen earlier

[dense wing]

His basic premise is that a swordsman’s will being tied to their blade as stated earlier in Wano means that it’s possible Enma emitted Oden’s CoC

[fallow knot]

I think from now on we will see other strawhats's fight

[pure raven]

if enma emitted Oden's CoC, wouldn't kaido be able to differentiate between them? He already recognized Oden's haki before so i think he would have said differently about zoro

[dense wing]

Well it’s not my theory lol

[pure raven]

yeah i'm just discussing not pointing at you haha

[dense wing]

I’m firmly in the camp that Enma drew out Zoro’s CoC

[pure raven]

yeah me too

why are we pointing always at enma? he has three swords

[dense wing]

Because Enma is the one drawing out most of his Haki

And BM commented specifically on Enma not being a normal sword

[pure raven]

true about Busoshoku Haki. Does this also mean for CoC? There are a lot of things about CoC that we still dont know

[dense wing]

The statement says Haki in official I believe, I’ll try to pull up the panel

[pure raven]

they talked that enma consumes a lot of ryou

which is advanced armament

[pure raven]

yes wielder's ryou

which is advanced armament haki

[dense wing]

That is a common misconception by the fan base due to us commandeering the word

Ryou is simply the term that Wano residents use for Haki

The fandom took the word Ryou and used it as shorthand for advanced armament

[pure raven]

i have heard this before but have we seen them using normal armament? when Hyogoro was teaching luffy he always meant ryuo about the advanced form or maybe they didn't have another word for it

and we see the aura around the sword which advanced armament

[dense wing]

Ryou here is Haki, and he says that CoA is covering yourself with it like armor

Then he says that there’s a step above that, which is advanced armament

He doesn’t call the advanced alone Ryou

[pure raven]

ok thanks you are right

[dense wing]

👍

[pure raven]

just started the manga with wano and i'm not used looking at details yet

Even if that is true, still it doesn't confirm about CoC. When Roger fought with Whitebeard, Oden didn't know about CoC so this means he hadn't felt CoC being drawn by Enma. Does this make sense?

He supposedly only applied it later

[pure raven]

My hypothesis is that CoC in Zoro's case has to do more with Asura somehow

[dense wing]

Enma doesn’t draw out your CoC everytime, otherwise it would’ve done so to Oden or Zoro previously. Rather we can theorize that Enma brought out CoC due to Zoro putting EVERYTHING into that Ashura

[kind gate]

No CoC is most likely not ashura

[dense wing]

Yeah I don’t think it was Ashura specifically, but rather Zoro using all he had left in that attack

Doubt previous Ashura’s used CoC

[pure raven]

yeah i guess putting everything in the last attack , made him subconsciously add coc to it

[dense wing]

He didn’t, Enma most likely drew it out. I feel like he would notice if he did it on his own

But who knows

[zinc iris]

combat application for coc was a mistake

[pure raven]

hmm maybe being his strongest attack which always uses last , has something to do with it

[dense wing]

So just keep it as a fodder cleanup? Lol

[zinc iris]

unironically yes

it's a power level tied to a lottery, it's not something that can be potentially be reached with training as previously established you either are born with CoC or no
but before this it was just a cool badge, now it's something that is required to be at the top instead of just giving an edge, undercutting the underdog theme the story is attempting to push at the same time

[pure raven]

i personally like it. talent should exist

[zinc iris]

so zoro was born in the title instead of earning it

might as well make him the descendant of ryuma to just drive his character to the ground fully

[kind gate]

??????????

[zinc iris]

the manga that had the legit brilliant idea of roger's son being someone else than luffy that dies mid-story should do better than this

[kind gate]

CoC means you can impact your will unto others
it doesn't guarantee you'll ever be able to do what kaido and luffy are doing

[zinc iris]

but to do that you need to be born with the cool power

[pure raven]

hard work is also coded in talent. not everyone is likely to work as hard

so its not always a will issue

[zinc iris]

which is the usual point where the stories trip over themselves by wanting to explicitly make an underdog story but then betray it by making power lotteries a hard requirement

[kind gate]

?so if you can knock out fodder doesn't mean that his character is any worse

[zinc iris]

when you knock out fodder an that's it it's indeed just a cool badge

but the very chapter where zoro has a power he allegedly doesnt need, then it's revealed it's also something you absolutely need to stand a chance against those enemies

[kind gate]

he didn't use the advanced variant you know?

[clever marsh]

Kidd and killer bout to make big mom soup

[zinc iris]

haki was introduced as some sort of balance patch so that logia would not auto win every encounter and so everyone could stand a chiance if leveled up enough, but now the CoC lottery enters the fray

[pure raven]

he did. you cant cut kaido without it

[kind gate]

what?????

[pure raven]

the scabbards couldnt scar him without coc

[zinc iris]

kaido thinks zoro used coc, but it might just be that the raw power of the attack was just that strong

[kind gate]

^

[zealous grail]

Anyone think God Valley will come back, after Wano that is

[zinc iris]

kaido's hardness is not qualitative

[sand sail]

Scarring and cutting are not the same thing lol

[sonic plaza]

we know nothing about it

for all we know. it could have been completely destroyed and sunk after the battle

[pure raven]

okay i meant you can't scar him without it typo

[zealous grail]

We know that that's where || Garp and Roger fought the Rocks Pirates ||

[kind gate]

when was that stated tho???

[zealous grail]

Not sure from which episode or chapter I should put spoiler tags tbh

[pure raven]

it wasn't but the scabbards only did shallow cuts with ryou

[grizzled fog]

If you can hurt kaido without it, you can scar him too

[pure raven]

to leave a scar like oden you probably need CoC

[tawdry oriole]

one of the reason why enma is op

[sonic plaza]

there could have just been leftover coc haki in enma from oden
Because, there was definitely coc haki used in that move

[zealous grail]

I think that's why only Oden could control Enma in the first place as well

[grizzled fog]

Why? That doesn’t make sense that you can pierce his skin without it but not scar him.

[kind gate]

I don't think so
Odens attack lacked the same black streak as roger and wbs, so where is the indication you need CoC?

[zinc iris]

scar depends on the depth of the cut, so it's a matter of general power

rather than some specific trick

[dense wing]

It’s not as if Luffy won’t be an underdog even after this power up

His future serious opponents will all be Yonko/Admiral level+

Also, in Zoro’s case, it wouldnt be that being born with CoC is the reason he got this far, that would dismiss all of his achievements to get here in the first place

Saying that someone like say, Sanji, who may not be born with CoC cannot compete with those who are born with it like the Yonko isn’t a bad thing

That’s not his role, that’s not his dream, he isn’t ambitious enough to want to be top of the world in that way

Those who DO, whether it be for Pirate King, World’s Strongest Swordsman, etc, are ones more likely to possess Conqueror’s Haki in the first place

[sonic plaza]

the chances of zoro having it are greater than not btw

[dense wing]

Duh, 100 is greater than zero

[pure raven]

we also didnt see black streaks with zoro

so who knows

[kind gate]

exactly meaning he doesn't have it

[visual merlin]

zoro didn't use advanced either

[pure raven]

i actually think he does

it couldn't have been oden's CoC

[sonic plaza]

u got any proof?

[kind gate]

but thats headcanon
he most likely has CoC but not this advanced one
are you trying to say Oda skipped over it for Zoros attack but left it for luffys and kaidos in the same chapter

[visual merlin]

Could simply be that he used normal CoC, and he scarred kaido because strong slash

[kind gate]

for clearance I'm talking about advanced CoC

[sonic plaza]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhh

[dense wing]

All this confirms is no advanced CoC from Zoro, it doesn’t mean he lacks CoC itself

I guess it’s a minor point towards the Kaido thought it was so strong it had to be CoC, but that point is illogical due to him knowing exactly how CoC feels

[sonic plaza]

which one of these did zoro use tho

[dense wing]

Wiki

[visual merlin]

what are all of these lmao

He used normal CoC, is what I think

[dense wing]

^

[visual merlin]

and it knocked no one out since there's only strong people up there

[sonic plaza]

the wiki actually does a good job at listing haki's abilities tho

[grizzled fog]

He literally just released his coc

[visual merlin]

Unfortunately those are made up things

[grizzled fog]

If there were fodder on the roof at that moment we might’ve seen them get knocked out

[dense wing]

Yeah

[visual merlin]

Anyway, I think this page and on is framed odd if zoro had just used advanced CoC 10 seconds before

[dense wing]

I guess the main argument is no visual indicator but Kaido is indicator enough

[pure raven]

true

[zealous grail]

Hope Luffy keeps that captain's coat

[grizzled fog]

Not a dead man walking! Or his dead subordinate!

[dense wing]

Same but it’s not gonna happen

[zealous grail]

I know... but it looks cool af

[visual merlin]

Also, I feel some people don't realize they're saying zoro not only has advanced CoC, but it's so advanced he can make fucking bodies and swords whereas everyone else just does a lame coating

[zealous grail]

It's the kind of coat I want to wear but now if I wear it, I feel like I'll look like I'm cosplaying lol

[visual merlin]

those who think ashura is CoC that is

[dense wing]

No way Ashura itself is caused by CoC

[zealous grail]

To be honest, I've always been curious for why Zoro's been able to create those illusions. Ashura being one but the others being when he cut samurai without actually cutting them, just making them feel as though they have been cut or when he cut Monet but without haki and somehow was able to make her no longer able to put herself back together for a bit of time

[sand sail]

5D Haki, laww

Keep up, come on now

[visual merlin]

[tawdry oriole]

zoro has backup spirits

[sand sail]

But you're right, Asura being conqueror's creates the same problem as the Breath of All Things being armament

[tawdry oriole]

dragon,demon etc

[zealous grail]

CoC could explain those illusions but who knows

The real theory, ever wonder if Oda is secretly here, listening to theories just so he can make it so that none of our theories are ever correct XD

[kindred flint]

same that shit looks so cool

[dense wing]

Ashura is most likely a visual illusion of Zoro cutting fast and strong with his 3 swords

Doubt people wouldn’t comment on seeing 3 Zoros

Made of Haki

[wooden topaz]

Ashura and that visual illusion maybe not the coc itself but could be part of coc. And those things is clue from oda.

[dense wing]

Literally no, it’s a cool visual representation of Zoro’s best attack

[zealous grail]

Also tangent from this whole Zoro having CoC theory, anyone think the other two members of Rocks will come back: Shiki and Wang Zhi? Shiki's name has been brought up multiple times and I know there is a movie but the movies are non-canon and Orochi's flashback had that old woman who actually had Shiki's face saved. I always wondered why that was and better yet, if that was meant to foreshadow something else later after Wano

[dense wing]

I asked about Shiki the other day, I have no clue if he is ever coming back

Captain John’s Treasure though makes me believe we’ll eventually learn more about him, and that there’s more to the treasure than meets the eye. I don’t want to say Road Poneglyph but who knows

[zealous grail]

That's fair, though i think it's more likely Whitebeard has the Road Poneglyph in that island that Marco was at. At least it would make sense considering Whitebeard had Fishman island under his control for a while, though Captain John could have stolen it before that event or something who knows

[kind gate]

I personally liked arsals theory on it
that wado can somehow manifest its wielder's spirit
he said since they are made by the same person it might not be a coincidence

[tawdry oriole]

he change to his best sword for ittoryu evrytime

[zealous grail]

I just realized that would mean only Buggy can guide the Strawhats to that treasure if that treasure is the Road Poneglpyh. Since Buggy has that map from Impel Down when Luffy gave it up

[kind gate]

we could always learn about his treasure through the flashback

[dense wing]

I doubt it will be that easy

I agree with Buggy potentially helping and we find the Road Glyph

Maybe Buggy goes to get help from Shanks after being chased by the Marines, and we see him again when we meet Shanks

Who knows

It’s fun speculation

[zealous grail]

Honestly that's likely. Buggy gets saved by Shanks since Shanks probably still considers Buggy an old friend and everything. It would probably explain how he'd survived the navy attack assuming he does

[dense wing]

I doubt Buggy is getting captured again yeah

Maybe his army

But I just really want Buggy to be relevant, as a Roger pirate

SERIOUS THEORIES only

[zealous grail]

After Wano, the Strawhats at the very least have to go to Elpaf, Lonestar and Hachinosu (since that's Blackbeard's territory). At least imo. Meeting Buggy and getting Captain John's treasure (probably with Shanks) may happen much later.

[pure raven]

that would be funny tho

[dusky acorn]

@forest hornet Listen to Eman, you can speculate on characters like Buggy without making full blown joke theories

[zealous grail]

Do we think Shanks and Strawhats will have an actual battle though? Also Buggy beating Imu might actually occur as a form of an accident like that one dumb and lucky hit that finishes it (The Buggy Bomb)

[dense wing]

We don’t need to invade Blackbeard’s territory to face him

I do agree we’re going to Lodestar

What we do in Lodestar? Who knows

Maybe we fight BB there at the “last”island of the Grand Line

[zealous grail]

We don't need to you right but considering the trend of how Luffy has confronted every warlord or emperor, it's always been on their turf

[dusky acorn]

That does not sound like a serious theory whatsoever and I highly urge you not to elabarote on it in this channel. You can tell me all about it in #manga

[forest hornet]

Luffy will use gear 5th at the final war arc

[sand stirrup]

I was just making a joke man..

[dusky acorn]

Not the right place for jokes, sorry

[dense wing]

I feel that’s due to circumstance, as opposed to a pattern we’re going to keep following

For example I doubt we meet/face Shanks in one of his islands, but again who knows

[zealous grail]

See for me I thought it would be a fight but not with BB but rather with the Navy and that's when Luffy would meet his dad who would tell him to keep sailing beyond this point as they hold off the navy admirals and whatever diabolical weapon Vegapunk made to replace the warlords

[kind gate]

what do you think
#manga-theories message

[dense wing]

Lodestar could be a marine conflict sure

But our final battle against the WG is going to be after Laughtale, so I doubt it’s a grand scale thing

[zealous grail]

That's why Dragon would hold off the marines at Lodestar, they'd come to a stalemate and Luffy would find the One Piece and thus begins the war or something. I don't know how to piece that together.

[tawdry oriole]

well except onepiece doesnt go like typical shonen where someone holds and other go....

[zealous grail]

Bon Clay

[tawdry oriole]

this is in big scale

[dense wing]

Revos will shine in Final war, not Lodestar

Though I think we should see them more before then. We’ll see how things play out

[zealous grail]

Bon Clay wasn't. One dude held off Impel Down so Luffy could fight in the giant MF war

[kind gate]

no wado causes ashura

[dense wing]

We don’t even know if Lodestar is going to be a thing so speculation is a bit hard to do

[dusky acorn]

Oh, I don't feel really keen on that then, Wado isn't even a cursed blade as far as we're aware

[zealous grail]

That is true. Guess all we can do is keep watching Oda bring back random small events that foreshadows huge events that we couldn't predict whatsoever XD

[dusky acorn]

And Wado in Wano still hasn't even gotten the same relevance in this arc as Kitetsu and Enma had. To this day, I still don't think Asura has anything to do with Zoro's swords, it's from his own will

Which is basically what Kaku said, it's Zoro's doing that creates Asura

[tawdry oriole]

and he changed swords

using shusui mostly for ittoryu afterwards'

[kind gate]

I just think it would be a good way to explain ashura without having to jump through many holes
Like if Wado's special ability manifests the users spirit then it would be the reason for Zoro having it.
The idea that he has this unique ability that somehow no one understands is kind of wack to me tbh.

[dusky acorn]

The fact that it's being created from Zoro's own will to sort of be stronger is very cool, because isn't that the reason he chose to use two, and then 3 swords in the first place? Zoro thought having more swords was better, and then actually proved that by mastering the fighting style. This is the manifestation of his desire to be that strong, which creates the image

[nimble hinge]

If it's explained as Haki that's enough for me. There's plenty of weird abilities in One Piece. As long as they have a simple, but somewhat reasonable explanation, I'm good with it

[tawdry oriole]

dude did indirectly...and the circumstances were big for moving forward.....if its gonna be done indirectly im fine....but giving farewell in person is kinda meh

[nimble hinge]

Also Zoro only chose 3 swords because he wanted to carry Kuina's dream along with him. He was a two-sword style swordsman. With 3, he's fulfilling both of their dreams.

[kind gate]

I get what you're saying but what if its Wado that allows him to manifest that spirit or will he has
I certainly don't want this to be his CoC

[nimble hinge]

How is it being a swords will vs a person's will any different. It shouldn't matter lol

[dusky acorn]

I think most everyone has moved past the thought process of Asura as a whole being Conqeurors

Like, nobody thinks he was already using Conqeurors pre TS, that;s sorta absurd

[tawdry oriole]

mutoryu

[kind gate]

oh no I meant the sword manifests Zoro's will

[nimble hinge]

So it's still just his haki anyways, but with an extra step for no reason.

[kind gate]

huh, not really haki but like his spirit will not haki will

[tawdry oriole]

he can manifest even without swords

[kind gate]

thats entirely different

[tawdry oriole]

well he used this with swords and stuff like when he clashed ryuma....

and this is no different than ashura since we r talking abt spirit manifestation

[kind gate]

it is different
he's basically using his hand as the sword here, that's all

[tawdry oriole]

lmao

[kind gate]

?

[grizzled fog]

There’s no illusion to manifestation of will with no sword style, it’s literally just using the same technique with his hand

[sacred hawk]

What if the real reason that the government is so desperate to cover up the void century is because they're trying to cover up an infohazard

Like, some sort of entity that becomes more powerful the more people know it exists

That would put a dark spin on the idea of "A man dies when he is forgotten"

[dense wing]

The Void Century is implied to be covered up because it shows the World Government's corruption and power grabbing

[tawdry oriole]

imagine Im as intelligent version of orochi....wrecked havoc in void century and covered evrything up by setting the CD

[sacred hawk]

I feel like it would be unsatisfying if the secret of the void century was just the government being corrupt. It would just be revealing something we already pretty much know

[night jewel]

What i think is interesting about wado is the fact that it was created by shimotsuki kouzaburo as well, who created enma, another sword with an ability. Zoro's familiarity with enma was said to be due to him using wado ichimonji, so I dont really think its too farfetched to say that it might have some ability or might even have greater relevance as well, enma isnt said to be cursed either but it still has the ability to draw out more haki than needed and whatnot.

[tawdry oriole]

imagine enma reflecting the violent past or something of kozaburo and wado the calm reformed one

[night jewel]

the fact that oda decided to highlight a sort of unknown similarity between the two swords is definitely interesting, but also just that they are connected by them being kozauburo's creations might not be merely coincidental imo

[dusky acorn]

it was created by shimotsuki kouzaburo as well, who created enma, another sword with an ability
I do hope this connection between the swords hasn't dropped its future relevance besides it giving Hiyori more incentive to hand Enma to Zoro.
it might have some ability or might even have greater relevance as well, enma isnt said to be cursed either but it still has the ability to draw out more haki than needed and whatnot.
Having some actual similarity between the blades by both representing some cursed nature, without actually being cursed blades themselves would be cool when you put it like that I suppose.

For Wado, I was expecting some other haki connection, but functioning like a cursed blade in some other way would be alright I suppose. They feel familiar even though Wado doesn't have anything special as far as we know yet? I guess it is a strange thing to note

[night jewel]

yup

Also i feel like it would kind of mean a lot for zoro's character too, like say, if wado has been helping out in the form of asura all along then that would sort of I guess symbolize kuina helping out zoro all this time, backing him up in his fights a bit, i guess. Would make Mihawk's eventual defeat even more cathartic when we realize that Kuina has been helping zoro a little in a way, i guess.

[kind gate]

yes

[fluid lava]

If luffy makes a gear 4th variation for pure strength like how snakeman is for speed and combines it with ryou and advanced conquers haki do you guys think he can beat kaido 1v1?

[kind gate]

u mean bounce man?

[fluid lava]

Is bounce man for strength? I thought it was an all around stat boost because it allows him to fly and stuff

[polar bison]

snakeman is also an all around stat boost

[fluid lava]

Is bounce man physically stronger than snake man?

[kind gate]

I mean its the strongest currently
and snake man isn't faster is it?
it just makes him stretch and maneuver better
like it avoided his area of perception so he could attack him

[tawdry oriole]

if gorilla doesnt define strong in animal world then idk

[fluid lava]

Snake man is way faster

[fluid lava]

True but it could also be like lion man or something like that

[tawdry oriole]

kong gun is luffys strongest attack without advanced armament

[kind gate]

how was it faster tho???

I'm honestly asking where was it depicted to increase speed?

[fluid lava]

It was said multiple times in the fight with katakuri that the point of the form was to increase his speed and maneuverability

[kind gate]

I'll go check

[fluid lava]

I’m pretty sure that’s how it works, at least that was my understanding when I watched the fight

[tawdry oriole]

king kong gun yikes the name

[grizzled fog]

Snake man doesn’t really have faster movement speed, it has longer range and maneuverability with its attacks but that’s kinda it

[kind gate]

Thats what I thought too

[grizzled fog]

Ig you could say it has better attack speed

Not really movement speed tho

[kind gate]

hmmm aii

[tawdry oriole]

yeah attack speed stack

[dense wing]

By speed, Luffy 100% meant attack speed

[fluid lava]

Ah that’s what I meant I didn’t think you guys were talking about travel speed

[sonic plaza]

do you guys think we will see any of these by the end of wano? and if so, how soon?

• new gear 4 forms
• gear 5 (prob a combination of inflating, advanced coc, and ryou)

[fluid lava]

Okay but imagine a gear 4th form where both his arms are in a state of King Kong gun at all times like a gorilla man like the other guy said

Combine that with advanced armament and he wrecks kaido I think

[dense wing]

A new G4 form is possible, one that focuses specifically on attack strength. No, Boundman isn’t that, it’s an all rounder

I think Luffy came up with something in his two weeks

He’ll mix that with this new technique of CoC coating

[fluid lava]

I think a new G4 form is more likely than gear 5 tbh

Bounce man with new CoC and and new CoA alone I would say is enough to smack on kaido a bit but if he brought out a fully offensive G4 with both of those I think kaido loses for sure

[sonic plaza]

the thing is, each gear 4 form is going to be about the same level,
so if we got a full offensive form, it would have little speed and durability

[fluid lava]

I think luffy will smack him down a shit ton and law or zoro with go in for the kill

I don’t see luffy dealing the finishing blow personally because he doesn’t usually kill but zoro definitely would do it

[sonic plaza]

what if bb shows up and does it for kaidos fruit

[fluid lava]

BB showing up to onigashima wouldn’t make much sense since we just saw him on his island not too long ago

It would be even more miraculous than shanks showing up to marineford from the new world in a few days

[sonic plaza]

well, I think that Luffy's bounty after Wano is gonna be around 3b, which is 800m more than bb
and, I think Oda might have bb get a new bounty over Luffy's new one
so, showing up and stealing his fruit would put him high

[covert hazel]

I think SH crew will get a break after wano so probably not a BB encounter yet

[tawdry oriole]

bounce man is gorilla

[sonic plaza]

prob gonna be Elbaf, where Luffy can meet and fight Shanks

Luffy promised that he would give the hat back (and he definitely will) but
Shanks wants Luffy to keep it and PLOT ARMOR!!!!

• so I think he will challenge Shanks for the hat back

[fluid lava]

Nah I mean like a named gorilla man form like I said where his arms are like as big as King Kong gun and the rest of his body is smaller

[fluid lava]

I think he’ll offer the hat to shanks and shanks will refuse saying luffy has made it his own after they fight

It’ll end on a friendly note between them either way

[tawdry oriole]

that would be inconvinient....and bounceman already can adjust size

[fluid lava]

I still don’t think bounce man is the offensive gear 4 I think they’ll make something with more strength based stats than bounce man

Tank man is for defense, snake man is for speed, and something else will be for offensive bounce man just seems like the overall well rounded base gear 4 form

[sonic plaza]

Snake man is more attack speed

[tawdry oriole]

yeah something wch can deal refined attack...for all we know bounce man is raw power

[fluid lava]

Yeah duh who the fuck would think I mean travel speed he isn’t the flash

Doesn’t make him run faster it just does the same thing gear 2nd does but better

[grizzled fog]

I mean gear 2 does make him faster

[sonic plaza]

i think we will get 1 more gear 4 form
and then gear 5 will combine all together and use ryou and advanced coc

[onyx finch]

0

[dense wing]

There may not be a G5, and Luffy’s final power up is just Awakening

Of course Luffy could just name his Awakening technique G5, whatever it may be

[sonic plaza]

i mean. OP is a shonen.
in shonens, the characters usually get new constant powerups - which is one of the biggest ways to draw out hype and excitement readers and watchers
so, i think Gear 5 is bound to happen, because it would bring a ton of hype to op
because of this reason, Oda will likely give Luffy Gear 5 and Awakening (separately) which would be the most exciting

[feral pike]

Shiki next villain after kaidou ❤️

[oak vector]

Ok I know this might be random but I’m so curious on how devil fruits are born or where does it appear when the user dies. Go ahead and tell me what you think

[oak vector]

How did Blackbeard get whiteboards power?

[olive quail]

well we know that devil fruits will respawn into a nearby fruit when the user dies. It was also implied by Big Mom's flashback that you can get the powers by eating the former user.

The only issue with that idea is that an old sbs question asked if eating Luffy would give you his rubber abilities and Oda responded with no. That sbs segment was very early in the series however and Oda could have changed his mind or maybe BM just ate a transformed fruit after killing Mother Caramel during her hunger episode.

My guess would be that BB had a fruit on him and used the sheet to hide the process he used to gain the power, since that method is the clearest one we've seen.

[dusty hamlet]

Sorry i'm late but i agree

luffy's fight with doflamingo was a taste to how much Gear 4 changes up Luffy's attack kit. every attribute of bounceman is shown in his other 2 forms but more pronounced.

1. He's clad in Haki but he maintains his rubberiness. Doflamingo commented on that when he kicked Luffy and Cracker said the same thing when his sword couldn't pierce Tankman's defense. it stands to reason that Tankman has to be the defense side of G4

2. Luffy's Culverin and Python. He did it against Doflamingo but Snakeman used those as the main set and expanded on it to the point that Katakuri was getting caught off guard. Snakeman also lacked Bounceman's defense so snakeman is Luffy's attack speed form.

3. the one thing we haven't seen Luffy expand on is his Kong Gun and Rhino Schenider. I bet if there's an offense form, it'll expand on either one or both in exchange for speed and defense.

[cobalt juniper]

Luffy will be the pirate King

[fleet patio]

Nope, he will die.

[cobalt juniper]

how Commander Pepe?

[fleet patio]

He will become sick for using the different gears and Ivankov's infusions

[patent summit]

Luffy will suffer from unknown anime disease

[fathom wind]

I disagree with the blackbeard part. The sheet was probably to unlock the full potential of his fruit since he's in total darkness while under the sheet. We know his fruit can disable other df abilities. So he probably can steal someone's power while under total darkness. My other theory with blackbeard is he probably can turn into a true logia during night time

[fleet patio]

Still doesn't explain how one person can hold two devil fruit powers.

It is supposed to be impossible and I doubt that rule will change.

[normal plume]

it will be so awesome when the final fight with BB will happen, the entire island will be enveloped in darkness and Luffy will have to pierce his way through that with the help of everyone else, something BB would never have with his dirty cheating ways. Even his crew will abandon him in defeat I think. It'll be like what Luffy said back in his fight with Lucci, "even if the clouds are covering it right now the sky is still above us" or to that effect. I want the same music to play as that fight as well

regarding his gaining multiple devil fruit abilities, its llikely a combination of his weird body and fruit. I say this because definitely his body is essential based on Marco's comments in MF for him being able to do this, but also the fruit because all that time with WB he would've had the chance to gain other powerful fruits had he known his body could hold multiple, but he only was able to do it and did it after acquiring the fruit. But lets see, maybe he has a rotten black heart thats why Lol

[proven sand]

probably bb wont be the final fight

[supple nimbus]

That and the fact that, if after showing both Katakuri and Doffy with awakened devil fruits, and then not giving Luffy an awakening would just be poor writing. Chekhov and his gun would be sad.

[river plaza]

What do you guys think about chapter 1011

[pure raven]

Story change to the downstairs and tell about strawhats and marcos fight

Still wanna know what can robbin do on her fight😍

[fathom matrix]

It may be an age thing. You might need it for 20-30 years to awaken it.

[fathom matrix]

Maybe Teach's fruit works a lot better at night.

Like, its powerful enough during the day, but even more effective at night

[normal plume]

I wonder if it’s the opposite case with Kizaru if so

[idle meadow]

Mihawk has haki, for sure, but why wasn't he able to slice buggy with his sword.

[fathom matrix]

I doubt he even wanted to or was bothered.

You can't argue "black blade", because Zoro cut down Monet with shusui, and that did nothing, because he didn't use haki.

[supple nimbus]

Mihawk had no interest, if he had his way, he would've just stayed behind. Hawky just did a lot of flashy shit so that it'd look like he was doing stuff.

[supple nimbus]

Maybe, there's no parameter for awakenings yet, heck we don't even know if all devil fruits can awaken.......

[fathom matrix]

I think they can, but it's probably not as simple as shouting, powering up, or having a mental breakdown to attain it.

Paramecias have end up slightly different awakening from one another. Though logias like with zoans, may be the same.

[pure raven]

Well as far as i know it is about undersatnading the power of df to the fullest then you can awaken the df by (unlocking the hidden potential of the df)

[supple nimbus]

So Luffy has not found enough?

[fathom matrix]

Well

[last halo]

What makes me confuse is how Burgess was ready to steal Luffy's and Sabo's fruit in Dressrosa. That must mean the process is easier than thought and BB's devil fruit isn't really a necessity. Maybe they steal and eat the user's stomach, or something like that? But then that brings us to Marineford where someone said nothing was different about Whitebeard's body after BB took the fruit.

[fathom matrix]

As buggered as this sounds, maybe mother caramel was a hint towards it. You may have to eat part of the dying body, or if that bite perhaps kills someone, then it counts as a devil fruit power take?

[timber hornet]

so its potentially a special item

[fathom matrix]

Like, I don't think if Aarlong simply bit luffy, he instantly gets the power, but I mean, maybe if Aarlong's killed luffy with that bite and part of his flesh was ripped off or cosumed, Aarling may get devil fruit powers.

[timber hornet]

maybe something dr vegapunk made or void century tech

[fathom matrix]

Maybe Burgess was gonna just kills sabo and eat a part of his body or drink his blood

One Piece established that a 5 year old girl ate her adopted mother, so I woulndn't put it past Oda at this point.

[fathom matrix]

I think a lot of people focus on the knife as something special. Maybe it's a red herring

It could be JUST a knife

[timber hornet]

cant wait until the day its revealed

[fathom matrix]

Yet again, there was a big, gaping hole, so it would have been easy to take something out

2 big gaping holes in fact

[jaunty sleet]

maybe he just needs blood, therefore nothing would be different about whitebeard's body as you cant see the prick that might be made by a needle

[fathom matrix]

Maybe

It feels as if with years of research and slavery, you'd expect the marines and WG to figure this out. Vega punk JUST cracked the code on the lineage factor, and made a "failed" devil fruit.

Maybe the whole blood and organ thing was touched upon at one point, or maybe it was so disgusting they decided against it or said it was dumb.

[rapid nexus]

i think when vegapunk said it failed, was a lie. It worked so well, that vegapunk didnt want it in the hands of the government.

because he is secretly a revolutionary or something, and when he sees luffy is the son of dragon, he will help them out

[fathom matrix]

Yeah, I think Vegapunk realised he couldn't reject it cause they would have axed him off, but he had to attempt, maybe got caught up, atually made a perfect one, but then realised "Oh shit, what have I done, if they realised I perfected it, it's gonna get mass produced and we're screwed", so he lied.

[tropic cape]

burgess was carrying around a bag with df print iirc and that bag is probably what allows him and other bb pirates to steal df’s. i want to say this method is different from bb’s method in which i think is unique to his own devil fruit power

but the print could be something else. just reminded me the most of a devil fruits print

[steel needle]

im is immortal by having the ope ope thing done on her by a previous user of the fruit

[pure raven]

Well maybe luffys df could awkaem in his fight aginst bb

As there could be a possibility bb defeating or injuting or immobilising luffy and tryibg to take luffys df and at that time luffy might awken his df.

BB probably has a limit of df he can take which already may have reached the limit so i don't think it is an issue

[frail sun]

Lol just came up with a baked theory what if b instead of zoro having a demon eye he cut it himself while training with Mihawk so he progresses with limited vision while it heals and this whole time he’s been closing it on purpose whilst training observation haki

[ancient vault]

no he just lost his eye to mihawk and got a scar

[muted estuary]

That’s what I think too, but to improve his observation

[pure raven]

does blackbeard has 2 souls in his body like multi personality or is it because of his devil fruit he can use 2 devil fruit

and how does bb remove devilfruit from user body

[sand sail]

We don't know yet, unfortunately

[muted estuary]

what if you can shape your conquerers haki like zoro with ashura and all luffy is doing is releasing his will upon others

[pure raven]

and do you think bb will interfere in wano arc like coming in the last just to steal devil fruit

[muted estuary]

Might be getting an actual fruit and then it turns into a devil fruit but that seems weird🤔 but when bb took whitebeards devil fruit nothing was wrong with whitebeard

[errant oxide]

I wonder if it has something to do with the Yami Yami no mi

[muted estuary]

Yes what if the yami yami no mi absorb devil fruits into the body of the person

But it doesn’t explain why he can give devil fruits to other people

[pure raven]

There was an adiitional hole in wbs body

Well it was in anime so cant say for its authenticity

This scene gabe me chills for many days

All of tye bb pirates also know the methode to take out df from anothers persons body

[muted estuary]

Did they not say that they need to bring the one they are taking the devil fruit from to black beard 🤔

[pure raven]

IDK MAN

[tranquil lark]

Lysop became Pirate King

[amber oar]

this is meme free zone. Also Lysop

[tranquil lark]

[craggy pumice]

the true spelling

[fathom matrix]

I agree with Swrml, I think he lost his eye while training with mihawk

and nothing's special on it. I think Oda added that in maybe as a tease to get people thinking, but really it may have been just an accident or mihawk catching him off guard.,

[nimble hinge]

I think he either lost it, or is keeping it closed until whatever.

[nimble hinge]

Pirates keeping an eye closed on purpose obviously had their reasons in actual history, so I can see Oda taking that inspiration and adding the shonen flair to it

[sturdy hawk]

Cringe

[robust crystal]

Tea pot momento

[wild veldt]

Cronge

Morj at it again

Does he say the raid fails too?

[amber oar]

at this point not even Morj believes the raid fails

but what is he saying anyway?

[last halo]

He's basically saying it would be weird to have Kid fighting and beating BM just for the sake of keeping the Luffy rivalry, especially because Kid's grudge in the arc is against Kaido and Luffy has story with BM.

He does briefly mention the raid failing, but just when he says there are three possibilities going forward: 1) the raid fails and the current matchups aren't the final ones, 2) the current matchups are the final ones, Luffy beats Kaido and Kid beats BM, and 3) at the end Luffy beats both of them.

[amber oar]

dude covered, like, all the most likely outcomes

[last halo]

Overall, even if I don't agree, I think he makes some sense here. Dude is not as bad as you make him.

[gloomy canyon]

The raid failing just isn’t really an option lol. I don’t know why he holds onto it... well other than it being part of his brand now

[grizzled fog]

Probably gets him clicks at this point

[kind gate]

yh

[haughty wharf]

Who lysop

[olive quail]

He's aware that the story doesnt seem to be going in that direction. It's really just ride or die rn for him now. At this point he barely mentions it and if he does its for like 5 seconds.

[olive quail]

usopp. Uso means lie in japanese or smn like that

[last halo]

It's obviously just a meme at this point. His community's "inside joke".

[amber oar]

Usopp in German translations, and what bananabuddy said

[haughty wharf]

Ok

[sonic plaza]

do you guys actually agree with Morj 🤡

that

• Kid and luffy switch their opponents
• luffy beats BM
• Kid comes close to beating Kaido but is beaten
• Luffy saves Kid and beats Kaido (basically what happened at Dressrosa

i mean, he used good reasoning. its just that the outcome is too dumb story wise

[grizzled fog]

No, every one of those bullets is total clownery

[sonic plaza]

lol

[wide sluice]

no

[grizzled fog]

If oda decides to completely abandon and destroy their rivalry that’s been built up and even reiterated earlier this arc, then maybe those are good options sure

[wide sluice]

oda wont belittle kid like that

i dont think kid and luffy parallel whitebeard and roger, but i think kid is a formidable person

[sonic plaza]

also. if he beat both, his bounty would be above 4.2b, which would surpass Shanks - and I just cant see that happening till after they meet

[wide sluice]

a bounty doesnt indicate strength

[sonic plaza]

ofc

• also consider the fact that Luffy would have 3 road poneglyphs, which would be a major factor

[wide sluice]

shanks doesnt have the territory and infleunce like kaido and bg

[solar glade]

alright so heres my theory about the one piece and the will of d: one piece is the ancient kingdom and joyboy was the king and the people with d in their names are the ones who are either descendents of joyboy or people who were chosen by heaven to become the new king of the ancient kingdom.

[sonic plaza]

Oda said that it was a real treasure

[solar glade]

yeah the ancient kingdom is real

[sonic plaza]

eh

i dont like it. sorry

[wide sluice]

the ancient kingdom is real probably

[solar glade]

and why was it destroyed in the void century? because it was a kingdom ruled by the greatest pirate at the time (joyboy)

[wide sluice]

joyboy wasnt a pirate

it never said he was

[solar glade]

well pirate or not he can still be the ruler of the ancient kingdom

[wide sluice]

yeah ik just pointing out

[solar glade]

what do you think of my theory?

[little kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/war-dogs-war-dogs-movie-stressed-facepalm-gif-5727928

[wide sluice]

its a good theory but i have better ones, its still good tho

[solar glade]

oda probably didnt give too much detail about the ancient kingdom on purpose

[wide sluice]

i dont think it is right because the d or very diverse like one was a giant and another is a normal human

[little kelp]

the raid failing it's just a dumb theory at this point

[wide sluice]

so they cant come from one guy

[solar glade]

yeah because i dont know how wano can proceed if it fails

[wide sluice]

luffy keeps his promises

[solar glade]

didnt the world goverment turn some children in to giants at one point?

[wide sluice]

yeah but he was an actual giant from elbaf

jaguar d saul

[solar glade]

which makes you think how these giants originated

[wide sluice]

from elbaph they r a race

the wg didnt make elbafian giants

[last halo]

I've been on a similar track and have talked about it some days ago here

[solar glade]

what arcs besides elbaf do you think we will see after wano?

[wide sluice]

luffy is too into his fight with kaido to stop now

[last halo]

Here

[wide sluice]

1. Road Star Island: I don' think Oda will reference it without us seeing it.

2. God Valley: No explanation.

3. Laugh Tale: Also no explanation

[solar glade]

i heard of road star island but i dont remember where

[wide sluice]

roger visited it and thought it was the final island

[solar glade]

thats troll :/

[wide sluice]

chapter 964

[last halo]

Elbaf (Shanks) -> Laugh Tale (Blackbeard) -> Final War (WG, Im)

[solar glade]

i think the final war will be before laugh tale

[kindred flint]

after

[wide sluice]

no, cuz luffy is gonna probably do something with the ancient weapons

[kindred flint]

whitebeard stated before his death when someone finds the treasure a great war will break out

[wide sluice]

where is that stated?

[kindred flint]

didn’t he say that before his death

[wide sluice]

no