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lunar shell
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I really hope those 5 will win without any help

acoustic helm
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It could also happen wano remains closed. And no bounty increase happens.
But if it's open then navy would paint different picture.

lunar shell
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its unlikely, some bounty need to be updated, its about time

weary cliff
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The goal of the arc is to open Wano. That's like saying the raid will fail

dusky acorn
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Yamato hearing from Momo that Luffy is doing fine might make her not feel necessary to come to the roof, but I'm not entirely sure yet

kind gate
lunar shell
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Oden said so

kind gate
kind gate
lunar shell
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I'm confident that the chap 1000 sell was legit.

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yes, dead men dont lie

weary cliff
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They just need BM to dip out of the fight. Like maybe Pero reports the tides turning against the Beast pirates, so he found the poneglyph and now it's time to go

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kind gate
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If bm did that and kaido won she would have to die

dusky acorn
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How close is Yamato to the roof anyway? Seems like their group has a fair amount of floors to go up if they want to be there. If Yamato's trek to the roof is a signifier how long this fight is going to last, that's pretty insane.

lunar shell
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Also, wouldnt it be difficult for Oda to do a fight 4v1 and the like ? I mean, this is a serious fight

dusky acorn
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I guess it was always a given this war would last until 'dawn' comes to be symbolic is the thing anyway though

kind gate
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Momo flies her up there

lunar shell
acoustic helm
lunar shell
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if yamato want to go to the roof she will, its not a problem, and if Oda want that momo is under care of the scarab, he can make that happen

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but if yamato fight, its against Kaido and she doesnt have the ' implosion haki ' so, she would be useless

obtuse pawn
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HOLY FUCK WHAT A CHAPTER

dusky acorn
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Perhaps whatever Yamato's unrevealed fruit is would be the thing that lends to damaging Kaido

lunar shell
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true

obtuse pawn
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Who knows tbh

dusky acorn
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Also, I took this latest chapter as the confirmation to end all confirmation of Yamato not having a dragon fruit like Kaido. Since she called Momo's fruit like "Kaido's power", not hers and Kaido's

lunar shell
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especially if she is a white tiger, so that it match the folklore dragon vs white tiger

obtuse pawn
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yes that was interesting conversation

dusky acorn
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Or I guess, "our family's power" in that context

obtuse pawn
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When did Nami lost zeus again i forgot

acoustic helm
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Yamato goes to every floor giving bagua to every tobi roppo šŸ˜‚

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@obtuse pawn her attack is thunder bagua

obtuse pawn
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yeah ik

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dusky acorn
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Zeus returned to Big Mom once and for all in chapter 988, doesn't seem like she's getting it back

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Since Nami proclaimed their friendship is over

obtuse pawn
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Kaido's humanoid form looks so cool

pure raven
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i think that kaido will be defeated

obtuse pawn
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ofc he will

pure raven
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I KNOW i know a bit of a bold claim

silk acorn
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I donā€™t think heā€™ll die though

obtuse pawn
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definitely

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that man survived a 10 000 meters fall

weary cliff
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I'm scared he won't but I think this will be an exception to standard OP villain defeats

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Literally everyone but Luffy will have no problem pulling that final trigger

silk acorn
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I donā€™t think kaido will die but rather he will have his will broken

obtuse pawn
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any villain Luffy defeats is either sent to prison or escapes somewhere

silk acorn
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Like how he tries to break everyoneā€™s will

obtuse pawn
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sooo yeah i think it will be the latter

dusky acorn
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Kaido of all people having his will broken? That's very tough to imagine

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Kaido has been captured and defeated many times as a pirate, but he's still kicking as strong as ever, so not really sure what this fight would do differently than all his past losses didn't

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If not actual death this time

pure raven
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I still see big mom betraying kaido

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Maybe if perospero gets a rubbing of the road poneglyph and alerts big mom sheā€™ll attack kaido

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Then it will be more of a royal rumble on the rooftop

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1v1v5

kind gate
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Kaido wants to die and I hope luffy does it

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he wouldn't want to die to anyone else
I mean just look at the way he looks at luffy

normal plume
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Hahaha itā€™s enough to make Hancock mad RobinChuckle

hollow grotto
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remembers when Luffy punched several guards into magma in Impel Down

kind gate
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lmao exactly

hollow grotto
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I don't think they'll cause any significant deaths at least lol

zinc iris
pure raven
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Mild burns to their souls

dusky acorn
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Luffy flat out killing Kaido probably wouldn't work as something Oda wants to portray. There is probably still a way Luffy can indirectly cause his death though

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Maybe even to the point where the world at large ends up seeing it that way, hence gets the credit for it

kind gate
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Yh Kaido gives up on his will to live because that death would be legendary or something

fringe tide
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I feel like luffy will beat kaido near death and either zoro or kid will actually kill him

kind gate
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He wouldnā€™t want to die to them especially not zoro

acoustic helm
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Gotta say after all this no one a was able to reopen old wound of koidošŸ˜‚
And it took days for oden koido fight to reach climax

polar bison
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Zoro is the only Strawhat who hasnā€™t tangled with big mom, so it checks out that heā€™d also be the only one who will fight kaidou alongside Luffy instead of her alongside the rest.

and ur also right that the only problem here is sanji

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why donā€™t you like him for vs King and/or Queen? more and more that seems like the most logical end for him

dusky acorn
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Pairing up the two with the best brains up there to do the dirty work of handling Big Mom seems nice, but just them alone wouldn't be enough. The way Zoro and Law mutually agreed and came across the same idea of splitting them up means at least those two will be acting on it, probably Luffy as well since Zoro said he wanted Luffy to help them come up with something.
Tbh, it's going to be all 5 of them doing some team combo to get Big Mom off their tails for a while, no clue what it will be though.

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Good thing is though, there's already a precedent for splitting Big Mom off in this arc, with Robin and Jinbeis combo earlier on. Probably going to be similar to that

pure raven
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Reckon Luffy and Kaido go at it while the other 4 take Big Mom away from them?

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(Luffy and Kaido seem very excited to keep their personal duel going from those final panels)

dusky acorn
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Luffy doesn't seem to be the type who would accurately be able to follow whatever battle plan they're going to come up with, so maybe. It's just Zoro's quote as I stated makes me fairly confident he'll be a part of it

rain wolf
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yo since its revealed that kanjiro was oden.. am still confused why did he heal them? or IF he healed them

pure raven
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Yea I think Luffy will unwittingly go along the plan because Zoro understands that his captain is completely taken with Kaido.

pure raven
rain wolf
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yeah thats what i thought so it could still be toki or hiyori that healed them right?

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dusky acorn
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It's definitely not Toki after this chapter, I'm pretty certain on that. Best to keep your thoughts pointed to Hiyori

wind geode
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Hiyori hide when fake oden come

rain wolf
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i didnt want it to be toki or oden

dusky acorn
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Like, Oda was even making fun of the notion of Oden being revived this chapter and how impossible it is, and Toki wouldn't be too far off from that

rain wolf
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they should be dead cuz their death mean alot for everything thats happening

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am pretty sure its hiyori tbh and i think it will be kinda stupid if its someone else? like unless oda wants to reveal a new character it should be hiyori

desert hatch
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someone reminded me that hiyori said that emotions in battle are bad or something so she bolted

polar bison
wild veldt
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Shanks can send any amount of people after Barto. Make Rockstar or the dude with the moneky take barto out.

dusky acorn
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Also, it seems like Hiyori and Kanjuro didn't have contact like previously thought..

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It seems the two both coincidentally went into the room at separate times by their own volitions

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If Hiyori met up with Kanjuro in any shape or form, he'd have her captured by now

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dusky acorn
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Yep, now the order of events and reason it was silhoutted all makes sense now

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Earlier on, lots of people were saying why would it be Hiyori if she's shadowed out? But it was to create room for belief on the more naive readers for it being Oden

bold gull
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I also think the silhouette was hyori as she also had that sub-plot with the fake(?) miraculous healing toad oil ... but i was wondering how someone like her could possibly get on onigashima without anyone noticing

craggy pumice
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wasnt that Toko?

polar bison
dusky acorn
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I think it's been silhouetted for both of those nuanced reason actually. Since as stated, it being vague only helped to add more firepower to the Oden mystery for some readers and yes, at the end of the day, Hiyori being at Onigashima is still a new revelation in a sense

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Which she isn't formally choosing to introduce yet, and may not ever intend do so tonight unless she's actually forced out of hiding (Kanjuro captures her?)

bold gull
craggy pumice
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that was toad oil? well either case, yeah Hiyori already showed medical knowledge

bold gull
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yes just checked it was chapter 938. It's not very clear whether it's just toko talking about the toad oil or also hiyori

pure raven
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Usopps toad oil saved the scabbards

cyan cliff
pure raven
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I'll wait for Kurozumi Otama BrookTea

polar bison
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I think the fact that John was made a member of Rocks is definitely he biggest evidence in favor of him being Kidd's dad. We can kind of view every single Yonkou as an extension of rocks, right? Kaidou, BM, and Whitebeard were his crew, BB is carrying on his will, and there's a great chance Shanks is his child or otherwise connected to him.

All this is appropriate, as Luffy therefore has to overcome Rocks in all his forms and successors to prove himself as Roger's proper one...

but in relation to Kidd... he's always been obsessed with the Yonkou. if his dad was a former crewmate of theirs, it'd check out for him too. maybe John even got the short end of the stick on his first crew before getting the long and pointy end of it from his second crew that he captained.

kind gate
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Where tf did your mind wander toĀæ

dusky acorn
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The theory wouldn't be something I'd still think all that likely if not for the Rocks relation, so I'm glad to be putting stock into the theory just so that I have more to potentially look forward to for Kaido's flashback.
One thing I wonder about is if how John died was publicised, and if Kid knew about it? If he knew Captain John died from distrust to his crew and betrayal, that could fit with why he became an individual that cares so deeply about them-- to not repeat the same mistake John did.

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just food for thought BrookShrug

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Also lol, I saw a lot of people vaguely predict Kanjuro and a lot of overspecualation to try and prove how he survived, which I'm also guilty of, but none I saw thought up that close of a scenario to what actually happened

pure raven
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I'd also like to know how Buggy knew about John's treasure

kind gate
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Buggyā€™s crew is more resourceful than BMs they get info better

quaint haven
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Can someone explain basil hawkins powers?

pure raven
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It's possible that he knew about the treasure before he ate his fruit. He also commented on how only a fool would eat a devil fruit because there's so much treasure on the seafloor (and maybe John's treasure is there)

quaint haven
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Been trying to search info on him, are the cards related to his straw straw powers?

dusky acorn
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He can create, become, and turn things into straw. He has tarot cards that have certain magical effects. The fortune telling aspect, as in the percentages are his actual fortune telling skills not the fruit

radiant quarry
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Helmeppo will become a devil fruit user

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What fruit you may ask Idk

kind gate
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Is the fish lady some type of witch
The one who can predict the future

dusky acorn
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Helmeppo being a fruit user isn't something I would like, I prefer if him and Koby stay a raw haki duo

quaint haven
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@dusky acorn so hes awakened his fruit an the card stuff is something else

dusky acorn
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He works like an awakened user I suppose but it doesn't seem like the fruit is actually awakened is the weird part... He's just casually able to do all these ungodly applications with the straw

quaint haven
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Yea hes weird. Cant find much info on him.

kind gate
quaint haven
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So i guess he could pop up to help luffy against kaido. Enhance luffys powres

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dusky acorn
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I don't believe Big Mom's separation can be done so easily in just one step. Law would have tried it much earlier on if it was, and this fight has been lasting for like.. half an hour already. What's being highlighted right now is how rooftop gang is collectively trying to think up a plan together, therefore will all play a group effort in casting her out of the battle somehow

polar bison
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now if only they can get the two paired half brain cells they all share over to Law and Killer so they can get together and use their combined capacity to come up with something

kind gate
median slate
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do you guys think the warlord system will be removed after final war?

kind gate
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WarlordĀæ

visual merlin
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hm

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I mean maybe, Fuji has been trying to get them out

visual merlin
median slate
visual merlin
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what is the latest chapter you read CrocThink

median slate
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on anime

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but no ive seen like videos on the manga chapters on 970 and above

visual merlin
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this is a manga channel, so you'll end up getting spoiled on manga things

median slate
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so i watched a video on 1008 today

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sheesh i really gotta put 1008 in the nickname

visual merlin
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ah, then why not just read the manga?

median slate
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more of an anime person,

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but theres not really an anime channel caught up to manga yk what i mean

craggy pumice
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yes because the anime isnt caught up to the manga

median slate
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exactly

onyx marten
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Watching a video about a chapter is not really the same thing as reading the chapter

visual merlin
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Do whatever you prefer I guess

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But you may get spoiled on things you didn't see from these videos you've watched

craggy pumice
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just read it at this point

pastel summit
# polar bison why donā€™t you like him for vs King and/or Queen? more and more that seems like t...

I mean, I think queen fight would suck. no matter who. my main thing is that I don't think the defeat of anyone on the performance floor is really going to matter. the beast pirate fodder are turning sides, gifters being tamed, pleasures and waiters getting sick of queen's shit. the theme of betrayal is strong in this arc so it's fitting they lose because of being betrayed. I just think kaido's defeat signifies the end of the battle, and the rest will give up afterwards

polar bison
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despite CP0 saying the exact opposite about the execs?

muted ember
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Luffy in the last panel of this week's chapter, looks so confident. Too confident.... Why? Does he have an ace in the sleeve?

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ace up his sleeve*

pastel summit
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cp0 also said orochi was dead

polar bison
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itā€™s a fair point

pastel summit
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and yeah. I don't really put stock into what CP0 said. they said that, but prior to that, King said "if we kill momo, we win" so the beast pirates don't even think that

kind gate
muted ember
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Folarin, I'm not gonna lie. I'm sensing MAD G5 / awakening vibes, and I can't shake off this feeling. That face Luffy shows, is not normal Luffy, that's confident that he got this shit in the bag Luffy.

polar bison
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but I think even with that thereā€™s no way Oda shortchanges the fights heā€™s set up with the execs, and given its Kaidou theyā€™re up against I donā€™t think itā€™ll be an issue: theyā€™ll go down before him. now, maybe theyā€™ll be able to get back up later and choose not to, but thatā€™s a separate thing

pastel summit
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they may believe the beast pirates are more motivated than they really are. a lot of them, especially the flying 6, put A LOT of faith in Kaido's strength. and given how kaido recruits people, by breaking their wills and making them submit, his defeat signifies their ultimate loss.

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i mean idk. it's been 11 chapters since jinbei vs ww and nothing has come from it. franky vs sasaki has had a little bit more focus but nothing really important. sanji has nothing setup atm. nami and usopp aren't even trying to fight, they are just running and protecting tama while she converts the gifters which I think will be way more important. chopper went into monster point vs queen, and as much as I hate queen, don't think he's beating queen in that short 3 min time limit.

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robin vs maria might happen as like a fanservice fight? since people have been begging for a robin fight for ages. but that's kinda it.

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and as a comparison, we have MF which had a lot of little scraps, but ultimately, no fight really had any conclusions except for akainu vs wb, akainu vs ace.

muted ember
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what is gear 5

plush pike
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He's going to beat Kaido through guts because Kaido said that they weren't simpleminded fools that relied on guts to win.

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Luffy love proving his opponent wrong.

rain wolf
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i think luffy gotta unlock something new this fight other than the ryuo haki

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i dont wanna push it and say awakening but maybe

peak axle
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Wano Act 3 has been going on for 40+ chapters and has been an absolute blast. But tbh, I really wonder where the direction of this arc is going and how it would lead to act 4. I believe it will end with Onigashima dropping in the Flower Capital as "the tragedy." Anyone have any thoughts on how else act 3 could end?

weary cliff
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Probably ends when the sun comes up/Kaido's defeat

kind gate
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But itā€™s probably a new gear 4 that completely trumps the others

kind gate
kind gate
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Why hasnā€™t anyone disputed my claims

wild veldt
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Cause it's facts

pastel summit
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'cause it's cringe

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people who believe in the tragedy meme are not worth talking to CrocoStare

kind gate
dusky acorn
# kind gate Ashura die, inu die, raizo die it all seems bleak Flower capital crash <:NotLik...

I agree with Ashura dying and Onigashima crashing, but the collateral damage being diminished somehow, either by people evacuating in time or something stalling or diverting the fall.

Things I disagree with, Inu dying for sure, since nobody is really around him right now to even mourn his supposed death. He's fighting Jack alone. I also think Act 3 won't end until the whole war is over.
As for Kaido hitting Zoro and Raizo dying, those are too vague of hypotheticals right now that can't say much on

kind gate
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Hmm okay
I just though luffy was too positive about this fight, and that would bring him back down to reality.

obsidian phoenix
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i think onigashima will be a bit more of a long term thing and i think momo will stop onigashima from falling on the flower capital, using the "failed" kaido fruit
theres just something really poetic about the future shogun of wano using the enemys power against them to save wano from destruction

pastel summit
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yeah, I'm on board with the momo stops onigashima theory.

gloomy canyon
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Itā€™s a million times better than Momo becoming a giant dragon and fighting Kaido 1v1 lol

spark sleet
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Nobody talking about how Monosuke knows that luffy is tired! Wuuuuuuuut

gloomy canyon
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Is it that surprising? Heā€™s confirmed to have CoO or it could be somehow linked to his voice of all things. But I feel like this kind of power co-align with what we know CoO can do

pastel summit
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he's not confirmed to have CoO, just voat.

spark sleet
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Maybe I need to reread up on the how voice of all things work...

grizzled fog
gloomy canyon
pastel summit
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wtf

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cringe

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god I fucking hate vivre cards.

wind geode
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and what about hiyori?

pastel summit
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hiyori is the reject child of oden, neither possessing a natural affinity towards haki like momo, nor possessing the ability to hear the voice of all things.

wind geode
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right to bad hiyori never show it

polar bison
pastel summit
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"still prepping" idk. he's been prepping for 30 chapters

polar bison
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there was comparable prep for dressrosa and enies lobby. + the raid only officially started 20 chapters ago

pastel summit
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and it is comparable because it's 2 large forces clashing against each other.

polar bison
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but whether or not fights happen isnā€™t contingent upon the largeness of the forces

pastel summit
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I mean, 978 is when they got to onigashima. 986 is when Kaido was attacked.

polar bison
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the strawhats were in the middle of a million strong battle in alabasta and all still got 1v1s. itā€™s contingent on what oda wants

ionic peak
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i found interesting fact, moria once was in par with kaido

pastel summit
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because they were fighting to protect vivi. baroque works weren't part of the rebel or royal armies.

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they were trying to kill vivi

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pure raven
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Maybe due to the devil fruit that momo ate which is made using kaido bloodline element by vegapunk

Is it possible that momo might be sharing senses with kaido because of them both sharing same bloodline element

And thats how momk knee luffy is tired as kaido saw and momo sensed it

velvet edge
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Or voice of all things ?

hybrid juniper
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The whole one piece manga turns out to be a dream from 7 year old luffy

supple nimbus
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I don't think so buddy, that would be the worst possible outcome.

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unkempt rock
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Wait, actually true thošŸ¤” šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚

finite topaz
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i know this is a reach but i'm thinking that kaido and luffy might team up at some point, just thinking that big mom is gonna try to backstab kaido

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huge reach though

keen portal
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BM backstabbing is fine, why do you think Luffy is going to jump in between to help either tho

finite topaz
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idk kinda getting a vibe that luffy and kaido are starting to kind of respect each other for being able to put up a fight for this long

keen portal
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sure. but ally on one side even for a battle? Thats too far lol.

finite topaz
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fair enough

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but honestly that would be an insane turning point in the arc

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also you could see that they're both clearly enjoying this fight a bit too much lol

keen portal
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yes but thats not gonna suddenly make luffy's promise to kinemon to take kaido down for good disappear tho. Kaido is the main antagonist for wano, and is an obstacle for luffy in his path to PK.

He isnt gonna ally with kaido for wtv reason, even if it looks like he's respecting his strength

hazy wing
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kaido might offer to leave wano alone

finite topaz
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could be a possibility

hazy wing
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and besides kaidou's main goal is to die

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he tried killing himself so if luffy is stronger than him he might wanna lose and die

light pond
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I think fukurokujo might be a kurozumi too seeing how loyal he is to orochi eventhough he knew it is suicide to go against kaido

hollow grotto
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Vegapunk & The Longhead Tribe

This is a strange theory as there is no solidified basis for it, but I did want to bring it up as there may be just some merit to the idea and it does leave some room for discussion. I believe that Vegapunk, potentially along with other individuals such as Fukurokuju, are part of a branch of humans called the Longhead Tribe, and that Vegapunk is a member of this group. This may not be the most well-structured theory but it's my first attempt, so let's go for it. NamiGrin

The first we ever see of Vegapunk, he is depicted with a science outfit experimenting on Kuma. We don't get to see his head or the rest of his face and I believe this was done intentionally to build the mystery of not only what his face looked like, but the structure of his entire head. The real question really is, why? Why bother to hide it?

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In the past we have been subjected to a few long-headed characters but their existence as a race has never been officiated like the Longarm or Longleg tribe. An example of this supposed race on the planet would be someone like Fukurokuju, a man heavily inspired by the mythological being 'Fukurokuju', one of the Seven Lucky Gods based in Japanese mythology.

However, before we go into detail about Fuku, we need to tackle the most telling connection between Vegapunk to the rest of the story, that of which being Tsukimi and the Space Pirates.

The Space Pirates are shown in the Enel Moon story during the Thriller Bark arc and provide as antagonistic to Enel when he drops onto the surface. Their pirate flag has the symbol of a elongated skull, implying that their natural anatomy is that of a long head, and what we assume is the 'Captain' of these members wears a really long hat which also contains his jolly roger as his symbol. The other members, on the other hand, look much like robots. If this is true, this would imply that they contain the technology to not only go to the moon, but to have fully-working automated robots at their command. However, even under the assumption that they really are just pirates despite their design, it still implies some high level of technology that seems unattainable to most by the One Piece world, to be able to reach the moon and travel among it.
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But why bring up the Space Pirates? How does that relate to Vegapunk?

Well, if we land ourselves back on the planet, we can find an old man named Tsukimi, who was introduced in Chapter 448's cover page. He's introduced as a kind old man hailing from the land of Karakuri Island, which coincidentally, is the same birthplace of the genius Vegapunk, as well as where Franky stayed during his 2 year training. This is interesting because it is linking together the "genius inventors" of Franky, Tsukimi and Vegapunk together. Tsukimi was introduced building small automata; Robotic creatures that acted as assistants to Tsukimi in his old age. However, following an explosion on the moon and Tsukimi's sudden death, they sought to the sky to avenge him.

The reason this is important is because Tsukimi and Vegapunk both seem to have some unspoken similiarities. Both have a passion for science and inventions in laboratories they created, they had both made cyborgnetic creatures (animal-robots by Vegapunk & automata by Tsukimi), and the two of them hailed from the same place: Karakuri Island. Due to this, I believe it's possible that Vegapunk had a long head/face just as Tsukimi does. You could even deduce that Tsukimi and Vegapunk are possibly related. However, that in itself is a bit of a stretch, as just because two people came from the same island doesn't automatically imply a connection. There has to be some sort of deeper connection beyond just their interests. A genetic abnormality such as an elongated head might imply something, but where in the story do we see Vegapunk with a potentially long head?

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Chapter 684. In the imagery below, we can see Caesar and Vegapunk, as well as a discernible, silhouetted head. Given the information and context we have been given prior, we could make the assumption that Vegapunk has a head shaped similarly to the Space Pirates, Tsukimi or Fukurokuju. Itā€™s also worth noting that we donā€™t see any colours of Vegapunkā€™s design, which was most likely intentional to hide his elongated head. We see his head, as well as ear lobes that seem to stream down the side of his head much like that of Fukurokuju. I tried to find a parallel that could hint at this further, but the anime had completely changed what we see, replacing Vegapunk's supposed head and silhouette with a lab coat, lowering the angle from which we see him. This was most likely done intentionally by the anime team as to avoid revealing too much information about Vegapunk's design too early on. That, or they really didnā€™t know what to do and just took an easier route. Regardless of how you spin it, his head is being hidden for a reason. We donā€™t even get to see a full silhouette of him, and it has been nearly 1000 chapters since his first name-drop.
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You may be asking, and understandably so, why is it important to establish that they have long heads? Can't they just have normal heads? What makes the long-headed trait so important, and why hide it in the first place?

Well, I believe that the reason Vegapunk is a genius is because members of the long-headed tribe are, to some degree, more intelligent than that of the average individual. In every case where we have been exposed to long-headed individuals throughout the One Piece story, they all have possessed a level of intelligence that outshines the average person, but that may beg the question... what about Fukurokuju? He isn't a technologically advanced genius, not like the Space Pirates, Vegapunk or Tsukimi to any degree, so how does he fit into this idea?

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ā€ā€Fukurokuju is the leader of the Oniwabanshu and is a great strategist in his own right. He doesn't create any technologically-advanced items as far as we're aware, but he is a complete opportunist and has shown to be duplicitous whenever the time may call for it, even sneaking away during the Onigashima war supposedly to help aid Orochi. (This is not confirmed and only an assumption off what we know, but we know now that Orochi is alive and well), as well as knowing when to change sides to keep himself alive. He's smart in his own right, just not from a scientific standpoint. Not all members of this tribe have to display huge feats to give merit to the idea that they could be related by race. I'd like to also say that I'm firm in believing that the reason we are introduced to Fukurokuju is not only for the narrative developments he provides in Wano, but because it will set up the basis for Vegapunk so we are not as confused when someone we've been waiting so long to see has a long head as another one of Oda's 'wacky designs', and is organically justified through the exposure of people such as the Space Pirates, Tsukimi and Fukurokuju, who all have displayed feats of intelligence just like Vegapunk, all of which have long faces and/or heads.
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ā€ā€ā€Ž
So that's the theory. I believe there's a race of intelligent individuals called the Longhead Tribe who have been consistently lurking through the story, and that Vegapunk is one of these individuals. There are probably things I missed, and things I could have connected better/things I missed that donā€™t make sense, and I cannot summarize why Vegapunk is considered to be so smart that he's '500 years ahead of the world' compared to someone such as Fukurokuju, but it's my first long-written theory so I hope you enjoyed, regardless of the many holes this theory most likely has. Thanks for reading! NamiGrin

covert hazel
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AceJustRight Cool theory!

light pond
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I have a theory about the team that experiments on kaido, vegapunks team and I think it includes queen, judge and caesar and during that time both judge and vegapunk discovers the linage factor that copies df abilities and the one who helped kaido escaped was queen and that is when he become kaidos subordinate, there are many indication that queen knows both judge and vegapunk including queen being a cyborg and have a laser which is a unique vegapunk tech

rapid trout
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I want it to be zoroā€™s last moments in the Kaido and Big Mom vs. The worst generation. Then right before he dies he uses all of his life energy on enma to strike a deciding blow, making him the strongest swordsman right before he dies and says some epic, iconic and sad phrase like,
ā€œI saw the peak of this worldā€™s swordmanship, but if I had lived longer, I could of gone beyond that... ā€œ

waxen light
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Why you gotta kill my boy Zoro like that? ZoroGrief

rapid trout
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Well coz Sanji is gonna die from lung cancer so why not

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north crow
dusky acorn
# hollow grotto ā€ā€ā€Ž So that's the theory. I believe there's a race of intelligent individuals c...

I believe this was done intentionally to build the mystery of not only what his face looked like, but the structure of his entire head. The real question really is, why? Why bother to hide it?

This is a pretty good point. When Kuma was talking about VP, the general face could have been very easily been blackened out entirely instead, but it oddly just cut off right at the neck

what about Fukurokuju? He isn't a technologically advanced genius, not like the Space Pirates, Vegapunk or Tsukimi to any degree, so how does he fit into this idea?

Yeah, as you said I definitely think this could could be amended by how Fukurokuju just didn't grow up in the proper environment to be some sort of technological expert, but he was still brilliant in what his country did teach him-- being a genius strategist and ninja.

even sneaking away during the Onigashima war supposedly to help aid Orochi. (This is not
confirmed and only an assumption off what we know

Actually, this was confirmed in the latest chapter! He's in the background of Orochi's panel helping him by taking care of Beast Pirates for him.

But yeah, I feel as though Vegapunk having some sort of elongated head is all but confirmed at this point especially because of that 684 panel you showed, but him being a part of that last, unrevealed race is something I hadn't thought of.

Tbh, if that unknown race was really hiding in plain sight this whole time, that would be pretty crazy. I think it's even true we didn't see anyone with long heads back in Totland itself, so it matches.
Like.. theirs races for each respective limb arms, legs, even necks! It fits pretty nicely for the ones with heads to be their own too, so I quite like this idea.

Only problem I have to say though is Fukurokuju's head was actually pretty normal 20 years ago.. : (, but that may be some sort of oddity with the race, like maybe the head is only supposed to grow once people reach a certain age.

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People may grow into those elongated heads, so I don't think that discredits the idea, since we never do see Tsukimi or Vegapunk as a young lad, but yeah, I think the introduction of Fukurokuju is being used to explain without directly showing the natural anatomy of Vegapunk's long head without needing to use dialogue. Oda is smart. He doesn't introduce an entirely-new looking type of person, of which we've never seen anybody like him before into the main story without continuing the trend beyond that individual. It's a smart way to just introduce a race without having to use dialogue to explain it, and you could apply this 'long X' race logic to a lot of things. Usopp's long nose, for example, could imply a long-nose heritage.

waxen light
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I would say it was normal compared to what he has now. It still looked strange for a regular human. Maybe the process of elongating starts at a certain age??

hollow grotto
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Glad you guys liked the theory though CarrotHappy

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It does have holes in it unfortunately but that's why I brought it here to discuss explanations

dusky acorn
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Oh yeah, so it was still pretty abnormal, even back then. But yep, this was really good food for thought, def an idea worthy of pinning

hollow grotto
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Ahh I wouldn't put it up there with those legendary theories, they're very well-made compared to this lol

dusky acorn
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No Fortsy lol this is great. I didn't see anything bad at all, but can always go back and edit/revise things you feel iffy about anyway

hollow grotto
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Okay, well - awesome, thanks :D

waxen light
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One kinda bump in the road for the theory is that Fukurokuju is literal just a god of luck in JP mythology and he could not have anything to do with a long head race.

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hollow grotto
dusky acorn
# waxen light One kinda bump in the road for the theory is that Fukurokuju is literal just a g...

Well I'd say this is more of a question of what came first between the chicken and the egg.
It may have been the other way around where Oda always had this idea for the race ever since Vegapunk's conception, and he just so happened to see this god of luck's design and said "Oh, this is fitting to integrate into my story since I already plan on having this as a race in my story!" So he inserted it onto Fuku

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And also, we know Oda wasn't going for a 1:1 comparison with that god of luck figure, considering he made him look slightly different 20 years ago, which could be for a reason like this theory

hollow grotto
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I'm happy it's giving food for thought because I was always confused why nobody brought up the idea of a Longhead Tribe

dusky acorn
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If it was plainly based on him, I'd say he'd have kept Fuku looking the same back then, but there was nuance to his looks, despite still swaying in the direction of having a slightly abnormal head, even back then.

Basically, I think there was a method to this madness, and it being an actual race instead of for the sole reason of making that god of luck comparison, which didn't exactly fit 20 years ago anyway is a good idea.

hollow grotto
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Oda makes really wacky designs, but he justifies them, even if they're based on mythology, by some sort of logical 'race' that is already defined in the world, and explains through races how one survives certain situations (Jack, for example, being a fishman allowed him to survive Zuneisha's attack when he was (probably) launched into the ocean.

dusty galleon
unkempt rock
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Zoro kills Kaido.

lilac mirage
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what do you guys think will happen at the end of wano? luffy defeats kaido? or it's a draw? i personally think luffy defeating kaido might ruin one piece a bit( for me at least) he barely had a chance against katakuri, and now defeating kaido. . i dont think it should happen,
its just my opinion, give me your opinions as well

bold gull
crystal bolt
# unkempt rock Zoro kills Kaido.

It'll be a team effort for sure. Oda might use this opportunity to let Kid shine since its unlikely he'll get an arc of his own like Law . It also might raise Kid to be a serious competitor fo the throne of the pirate king

bold gull
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Also I definitely see chopper curing the smile side effects and everybody crying

lilac mirage
acoustic helm
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Luffy power uping exponentially

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Guy knows future sight, advance armament now

lilac mirage
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kaido is fast

crystal bolt
acoustic helm
lilac mirage
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yup

acoustic helm
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Thing is, to defeat kaido they need PTSD him followed by deadly blow, and red roc wasn't deadly

bold gull
lilac mirage
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cp-0?

acoustic helm
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Look koido needs to die

lilac mirage
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but if luffy does that it wont make sense

acoustic helm
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Momo wants to kill koido,
How it happens is oda's challenge

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Wano no marineford

lilac mirage
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they say that momo will hold onigashima above the capital, not sure tho

acoustic helm
lilac mirage
bold gull
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So... i think the capital will be saved and we know only a few character that can do this.... momo if he learns how to use his powers, fujitora, maybe elizabello with is king punch (that is said to be yonko level). Of course oda can invent another character in the meantime or let the capital get destroyed

acoustic helm
unkempt rock
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For kid to compete he has to show a lot more than his first named attack in 900 chapters

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Or 2nd or 3rd

lilac mirage
errant oxide
acoustic helm
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Koido fill finish to sake bottles after seeing momo in Dragon form

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šŸ‰

lilac mirage
fathom matrix
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I had a thought

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What the hell's gonna happen to all the gifters, waiters and pleasures?

muted ember
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if Luffy gets G5 or Awakening soon, Kaido's done for, he aint surviving that.

marble marlin
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some of them changed sides

fathom matrix
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Do you think Monosuke will be kind enough to be like "You all made horrible mistakes, but you chose to come to our side, and fight against your own. I don't want wano to be a land where we never give second chances, or purge bloodlines for 1 man's mistakes"

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Cause I can imagine he would give some of them a chance of redemption and to give their mistakes or live for a better future.

dapper relic
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Im is written 悤惠 which reads and is spoken as 'imu'. Knowing how Oda likes to mess with names, reading this backwards gives us 'umi' which is ęµ· the word for sea/ocean.

In the reverie arc, it is revealed that "No one sits on the throne as there is no solitary king of the ocean", but in the latter part of that chapter, Im sits on that throne. This hints that he is rightfully the 'king' of the ocean, basically making the whole world his property. Now this may hint along with point 1 that he has some connection to the ocean via Devil Fruit (Water one?) and the rite of history.

The 5 head honchos of the Tenryuubito claim "Who needs to be removed from history this time", this could mean that Im has been wiping history clean from whoever taints his property (hypothetically the whole world). This could make him responsible for the Void Century incident, and the whole secrecy behind the Will of the D. It also could mean that Im has a DF that allows him to live extremely long if he has been pulling the strings of the whole world history.

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The knife through Shirahoshi (Poseidon - world destroying weapon) could be a sign that he does not want anyone else to get ahold of her world ending capabilities and destroy his reign over the world. Again pointing to the theory that Im was a major influence in the world and something happened to cause the Void Century and him to disappear to the backstage.

Ripped Monkey D Luffy and Marshall D Teach photos. From the evidence so far, we can see Luffy is following JoyBoys footsteps and is trying to restore the world to what is was before the Void Century perhaps overthrowing Im at the same time. And Blackbeard is following Rocks D Xebec's footsteps in his quest for knowledge and the polyglyphs. As mentioned earlier, the Will of D are the natural enemy of god, and currently the most 'god-like' figure in One Piece is Im.

The giant straw hat that Im had in his storage is ancient because its cryogenically frozen and may have belonged to JoyBoy who I think was a Giant Race - much like Jaguar D Saul. He compares it to Luffy, which supports the Will of the D is the enemy of 'god' (aka. himself)

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The poneglyph Robin read of JoyBoy apologising may be because he fought Im and lost ages ago, and is apologizing because he knows how Im would corrupt and shape the world for worse.

So basically, I think Im is some type of ancient human that is able to either control the ocean, or able to live extremely long allowing him to have influence over whole of history, and is considered a god much like Enel was in the Skypeia arc.

patent stag
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coming perospero vs sanji

bold gull
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as for gifters I think tama will end up taming all of them... If tama's powers are permanent i guess they will also become allies but this scenario will be kinda weird

fathom matrix
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so I think in order to cure that effect, you need to "cure" devil fruits powers.

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Oh god, the marines would love that. Making weapons that take away DF powers.

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And before anyone says "sea prism" that's weakening and nullifying, not stripping your powers away permantly.

fathom matrix
bold gull
dusty galleon
static mortar
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  • there's already a way to immortality in the world, the opi opi no mi
  • Rocks wanted to be king of the world whcih im is, for all we know he may have achieved it and they one and the same
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is it imu or im?

pure raven
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Artur Piece KumaPause

dusty galleon
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Im in english

quiet quiver
amber oar
dusty galleon
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The Japanese script for it is read as "Imu"

amber oar
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the exact romanization hasn't been given, has it?

dusty galleon
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Don't think so, what does viz call him?

pure raven
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They call him Imu in 908

amber oar
static mortar
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sigh, this arc is prolly still one year from ending, i guess we won't know about vivi till 2022

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regardless, i hope sabo or vivi will be reason for mugiwara to attack marine base and make for a second war against the marines

quiet quiver
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If u read imu from left to right, it's umi. I noticed that on the return to reverie fanfiction

static mortar
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but japanese is written in syllables so they write mu as one "letter"

quiet quiver
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I wonder how imu is gonna factor into the story. I hope the monkey d. family fights imu

jagged quail
muted ember
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!patterns

lone hedgeBOT
pure raven
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I think the one piece is going to be a singular crystal

keen portal
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Of what

craggy pumice
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Crystallium

kind gate
wet shoal
kind gate
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Lmao

still pewter
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if kanjuro had a change of hearts and decided to fight kaido, he could create a copy of kaido right?

quiet quiver
still pewter
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since he was colluding with kaido and orochi giving them both info

quiet quiver
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But will the infamous durability be there in the clone?

still pewter
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he could create a perfect clone like he did with oden

i dont think so lol

quiet quiver
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It would be interesting to see mihawk and kaido fight

acoustic helm
# amber oar

One wrong positioning of that comma and he is dead

queen arrow
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his paintings aren't as strong as the original

fringe tide
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Yeah actual person>>>>painting unless kanjuro is equal to said person probably

zinc iris
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otherwise kanjuro would just draw several kaidos and steamroll everything

queen arrow
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otherwise Kanjuro's Oden would have killed the scabbards

sacred hawk
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Also, it seems he has to remotely control it

ancient vault
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Is Kaido based on some real life inspiration?

plain stirrup
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I believe there is some japanese lore about a waterfall which has monks at the top of it. There are fish which travel up the waterfall, and the fish which made it to the top was turned into a dragon by the monks.

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Kind of like magikarp & gyarados if you know pokemon haha

distant chasm
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What? Did Zoro open his eye on last page of chapter?!?!?!? šŸ˜®

dusky acorn
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Don't need to linger and meme around on it, @pure raven, we all know it's very obviously closed.
If you seriously for some reason have doubts on his eye though @distant chasm, you can check the clearer looking raws. https://i.imgur.com/Csd8MsG.jpeg

grizzled fog
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That link isnā€™t working shimon, at least not for me

ancient vault
grizzled fog
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thanks

ancient vault
livid cave
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the fact that kaido's fruit is called the 'fish fish fruit: model azure dragon' implies that there is a normal fish fruit, a fruit that turns you into a fish, an animal that can only breathe underwater šŸ¤”

dusky acorn
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If other models for the fish-fish fruit exist, it'd seem pretty useless in the full Zoan, so yeah

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I suppose the hybrid would be applicable to normal situations, but even then it's sort of just redundant when fish-men are already in the series as a race. Makes sense why it hasn't truly be done, and probably won't ever

kind gate
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What do yā€™all think the newspaper saidĀæ
I think it said Sabo died but I think he escaped or is hiding out somewhere

mild kite
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Maybe Sabo escaped with Vivi or some shit idek

kind gate
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Hmm okay
Thanks

shadow sinew
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I dont really know why it would say he's dead when he's not

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more likely he's captured and set to be executed imo

mild kite
kind gate
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I doubt weā€™ll get impel down 2.0

shadow sinew
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so do I

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but he's definitely not dead so xD

mild kite
kind gate
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Or maybe if luffy ends up beating Kaido and bm with the alliance
Akainu tries to use Sabo as bait
I could see him trying it again but maybe dragon intervenes before luffy even has to gather the fleet

shadow sinew
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956 heavily implied that the government had no hand in what the newspapers wrote

junior cape
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Yeah the govt had no hand in it because every time they tried to move Morgans he just bounced their checks and beat up their operatives

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Guy said it himself, he's a scrooge, but a journo first and foremost

zinc iris
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I love morgans, he's such a fitting character that I'm amazed he didn't already exists well before WCI

ember orbit
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BB obtaining Kaido's fruit anyone?

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If only the Oden was Catarina and not Kanjuro

zinc iris
ember orbit
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then they ACTUALLY fight

zinc iris
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i think it's decently plausible BB is geing to get a third df, and that one being a zoan, but not something that we already fought

ember orbit
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I would like to see it

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I remember there was a theory about BB being like 2 ppl in one body and that explaining the no sleep thing

zinc iris
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however that his flag has 3 skulls will always be suspect to me

junior cape
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I feel like a Blackbeard vs Kaido fight would be a bit of a wash, solely for the fact that Kaido has 40 years more experience of being a powerhouse than Blackbeard, PLUS he was already renowned for his toughness by the strongest pirates of the age BEFORE he got his devil fruit, so Blackbeard coming by to try and take his mythical zoan would be a one-sided beatdown. ON THE OTHER HAND, It would be nice to see Blackbeard struggle

zinc iris
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eh it's weird because BB seems to be the guy that plays by the rules of destiny and knows it
evil luffy and also savvy, with the same speed in increasing his status and causing change

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so if luffy can beat kaido I'd say BB can too

silent valley
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You think we could see a 1-2month timeskip post Kaido fight? Like if luffy gets comatose for passing his limits by alot... so the SHs stay there as Chopper cures the smile-smile fruit effects, robin teaches momo how to read poneglyphs, zoro gets a newly crafted sword... maybe more?

alpine hill
silent valley
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idk

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non-Luffys SHs get stronger... learn ryou

zinc iris
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1 year is too much, we know by the prophecies that the endgame happens this year

silent valley
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maybe a few months?

pure raven
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3 weeks

silent valley
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just a decent length of time

junior cape
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I feel if Caesar were still around after Onigashima, Chopper would definitely force him into fixing the SMILEs

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Maybe take a few weeks but he'd make him do it

pure raven
silent valley
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ok take back 1 yr

pure raven
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Any predictions on SH bounties post wano?

silent valley
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1-2 months max

junior cape
# pure raven Any predictions on SH bounties post wano?

I posted my predictions a few days ago, but to reiterate: Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE who did not have a 9-digit bounty before Wano, WILL have one after Wano, and those that do have a 9 or 10-digit bounty will have over a Billion, with Luffy breaching the 2.5 billion mark, minimum.

silent valley
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I don't even care if it's just over 100mil, EVERYONE WILL HAVE ONE

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Because think what has to happen in one night: Defeat Big Mom and Kaido COMBINED, defeat all of Kaido's officers, and save an entire country. CP0 is there, reporting will be accurate, bounties will skyrocket.

pure raven
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If luffy gets the credit for taking down two emperors then his bounty should in theory go to alot higher than 3.5bil lol

silent valley
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The main fight will be at least. This raid takes place at like 6PM Wano time, and so far it's only progressed a few hours, at most. IF they pull this off, it'll be one of the biggest power upsets in the OP world history

silent valley
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id say by end of day 2, 80% of Kaidos underlings are beaten, itd take minimum 3 days for 1 Emperor to go down

junior cape
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They do not have the luxury of time. Kaido is moving the island, and Orochi (bless his rotten, twisted soul) has lit the place on fire. THEY WILL FINISH IN 1 NIGHT OR DIE TRYING.

silent valley
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idk man

junior cape
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They are over an ocean. If they have to jump from the island they will die

silent valley
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1 night wont happen unless luffy/kidd/zoro does something insane

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like Gear5 insane mixed with Kidd awakening or smthn

junior cape
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They don't have a choice, so they will figure something out

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IDK man. In this fight, one side has to surpass itself by a LOT if they want to pull this off. The other just has to outlast them.

silent valley
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agreed

junior cape
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For BM+K, it's a battle of attrition. For the rest, it's a fight to survive

silent valley
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if i had to go by that... id favor the Worst Gen... since at least Luffy/Zoro are used to adapting recently

junior cape
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And BM+K have stamina/forces to spare

silent valley
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kaido/bm havent had anyone really match their power who theyve needed to surpass their limits to overcome.....at least in a while

junior cape
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Another thing, if both emperors fall, that'll mean this ragtag group of misfits brought down 2*** MASSIVE*** criminal rings in one night. The power vacuum in that scenario would be a nightmare for the WG

silent valley
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i still think Bm will get away

junior cape
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Because what do you do? These 2 massive stretches of sea suddenly have no structure. You can't fix that overnight

silent valley
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well ASSUMING they both go down... Kidd would be the last emperor ASSUMING the system still exists

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Law will probably get shafted

junior cape
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I think the emperor system will stick around for a while, solely because nobody has a plan to replace it. They'll just stick the emperor tag onto the next powerful group that makes a name for itself

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Which, considering how things might go, would be the Kidd pirates and the Heart Pirates.

silent valley
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5 emperors again?

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like the reason i dont see it collapsing is because of Morgan running the news....

wild veldt
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Replacing an emperor is no easy feat, BB did it in the span of about a year with new world info he got from being in WB's crew for years and years, then by defeating another major contender. Kid and Law both lack the ability to come anywhere close to closing the gap and becoming an emperor after Kaido and Bm go down or their empires collapse. It'll be a long time until someone can keep that yonko system in balance. With 2 going down, BB and Shanks both making moves. The balance is already way outta wack in general.

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Morgans has nothing to do with the system

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The yonko system is already in danger because 2 of them decided to team up

silent valley
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but Luffy...

junior cape
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Yeah Luffy became an emperor out of sheer spite, he had no knowledge and still did it in his first 3 weeks in the New World, solely by getting underlings he didn't really want

odd lichen
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Cp0 will capture BM + Kaidou after luffy and CC's have defeated them

junior cape
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Then he challenged 2 emperors at once

pure raven
wild veldt
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Luffy is not an emperor. That is morgans hying him up

junior cape
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IDK man everyone seems to believe he is

wild veldt
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The yonko themselves were reading the paper and laughing

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The Yonko and the WG are what matter in regards to who is an emperor

junior cape
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No the Yonko were reading the paper and spiting him for ruining their business

kind gate
silent valley
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dey aint gonna laugh when Luffy beats 2 in a row

junior cape
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Shanks was like "Welp I guess we're gonna meet soon" and Blackbeard was like "Huh that's neat and all but I don't think you're ready", BM was like "FUCK YOUUUUUUUU! You ruined my house!" and Kaido was like "THIS fucking guy ruined my business?????"

wild veldt
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Yeah, nothing implies he is regarded as another emperor

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Shanks is the closest to thinking luffy is almost ready to meet him

silent valley
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he'll take 2 emperors territories and beat 2

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thats emperor lvl shit

wild veldt
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Luffy won't take all of BM or Kaido's territory

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Luffy has not the man power

junior cape
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Luffy doesn't care for ruling stretches of ocean, he just wants to be free (see: SHGF initiation at Dressrosa).

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He doesn't CARE about their turf, he just wants to make a name for himself

wild veldt
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yes, but that won't stop luffy's followers from making territory for him

junior cape
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oh no doubt, but he will only be in charge in name

wild veldt
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Barto already has, Orlumbus was about to but changed his mind when he got to the island

junior cape
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he won't actually be ruling, he'll basically be the Queen of England

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A figurehead monarchy

silent valley
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noo

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luffy wont consume adrenochrome tho

wild veldt
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But the yonko system will certainly be collapsing. The entire original balance of the 3 powers is gone. The Marines/WG, Warlords, and Yonko. The marines have the SSG which has made them perhaps over confident, the warlords are fired, 2 yonko have teamed up and the other 2 are making big moves, the WG specifically the gorosei are talking about a great cleansing. The revos make the chaos worse as they have now gotten enough man power or at least confidence to declare war on the WG.

junior cape
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I agree that power is changing hands in OP, and currently chaos is in control, but the title of emperor of the sea will not disappear right after Wano

wild veldt
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Well, if Kaido and BM do go down. Then the only people with a legitimate title of emperor will be Shanks and BB

junior cape
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It will be greatly contested, yes, as the most renowned of them will be gone, but the others will not give it up over that

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PLUS, the marines aren't in a position to do anything about it. They're too busy chasing the warlords, as you said.

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After Wano, Chaos will reign for a while

wild veldt
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BM's crew will having infighting all over the place between siblings, crews that married into the crew, and allies that came under her through force. The same with kaido, the flying 6, hawkins, apoo are all probably not truly loyal to kaido. I don't even think all the calamities are 100% loyal

junior cape
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Oh there'll definitely be infighting in the groups that survive, but the point is that these two major groups, renowned for their strength as a unit and for the strengths of their captains, will be without both after the raid, and that'll cause a power vacuum much larger than any infighting ever could

wild veldt
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Yeah, Shanks, BB, and the marines/WG will take advantage of it

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Along with all other independent pirates

junior cape
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Yep

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I imagine the initial reaction will be a bunch of lower pirates bursting into new world to cause chaos now that the two big ones are gone

silent valley
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then getting demolished

craggy pumice
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Nah

silent valley
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if i heard 2 of the strongest in the world got beat... id stay away

craggy pumice
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Now that those forces are gone

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I'd imagine the new world be more "free" and accessible for new arriving pirates

silent valley
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perfect for the marines to take advantage of

wild veldt
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It'll be exactly what happened after WB went down. People started attacking his territory

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The faces are what keeps their territory so "stable"

junior cape
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Yeah

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It's the prevailing threat of "Oh if we attack this area then a MASSIVELY powerful figure will come and wipe us off the map" that keeps emperor turf stable

sand sail
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^ What they said, that's why wrecking the balance is so terrible

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That is the actual effect in action, the marines are powerless to stop the sudden influx of crime and piracy from people flooding in to occupy the massive vacuum

junior cape
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Or even worse, the monumentally powerful figures already there fighting to take over (See: Big mom crew fighting over succession)

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Remember, most of the big officers in these crews have bounties above 500 million, even 1 billion berries, so some of them clashing is an unstoppable fight for normal marines, and even maybe admirals

shadow pike
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So Oden was actually Kanjuro instead of the Onimaru theory; are we still thinking the other silhouette is Hiyori?

weak arrow
shadow pike
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I wonder why the Kappa was in disbelief of it being Hiyori? Maybe mistaking it for Toki or something, I also wouldn't put it past Oda after the Oden fake for it to actually be Toki

kind gate
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Yh I think he mistook her for toki

tawdry bramble
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I think itā€™s actually toki because her death was offscreen and she still has plenty of unresolved business.

dark palm
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and for her to show up in the middle of a giant war it'd go against everything he knows about her

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which would be the point of this character growth imo, showing she's sick of sulking in the shadows and waiting for the pieces to fall

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that's basically what she did for 20 years

keen portal
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I do want her to come with a plan, or a goal, there tho, if she's taking such a big risk. Not just show up "ayyy bois, i'm here now, less go beat orochi/kaido"

nocturne iron
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Okay Big Brain Chat. I haven't been here in a month

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waht have y'all figured out

light pond
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Robin has so far read 4 out of 9 poneglyphs that makes up the rio with one in laugh tale and the other in lodestar(probably) there is still 3 missing

nocturne iron
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That is a big realization actually

dark palm
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it's an emotional decision regardless of everything

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and less something like "ayy I'm here"

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partly made evident by the fact that she hid herself

keen portal
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Ye if she's here it would have to be her emotions overriding the logical part of not putting herself and the last of the remaining Kozuki blood in danger

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Even if she's here to heal combatants, she couldn't have known for sure the scabbards would be injured so badly tho, before the raid began.

So she couldn't have known or come only just specifically to heal them tho right

dark palm
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to heal anyone more likely

cyan berry
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Yes she is

pure raven
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She is

keen portal
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She's the most likely person for it to be

pure raven
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Toki is dead

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She is not she died 20 years ago after sending 4 of the 9 red scabbards and kozuki momonosuke 20 years into the future

keen portal
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After scolding oden for saying she should go to the future?

pure raven
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After being shot and falling to the floor with witnesses?

dusky acorn
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Okay, let's stop for a second and think of it this way - Putting guessing Toki aside, I don't know why anyone would even want it to be her. It's not like she would be filling some special role Hiyori can't already do. Her fruit power would be pointless at this stage in the story too. It would just be a terrible fake-out death when a much better option of Hiyori already exists.

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The story is wrapping up in like, 2 more months in-story time max. Anything she could try to do with her fruit would be pointless

keen portal
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Toki found what she was looking for, found Wano, found oden, found her family, found her peace.

cyan berry
grizzled fog
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God that would be unsatisfying

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Just a big ā€˜ol fuck you to robin if that happens

static mortar
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well, oden journal prolly has a lot of that written down, it has oden travels and when he read the story at the end he was in the unique position of relating the writings to what toki experienced

tired moss
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So is hitetsu (sukiyaki) teaching momo or will it be robin

dusky acorn
wary sable
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would luffy like to know what's in oden's journal perhaps?

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great minds think alike shimon

dusky acorn
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And Robin probably wouldn't teach Momo, she won't stick around for long enough for him to learn. That's why the Hitetsu = Sukiyaki theory is so good for this.

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Yep

tired moss
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I seriously doubt luffy will let anyone talk about odens diary near him or his crew

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And Yamato having read and knowing of it all, makes me doubt she would fit in on the adventure they want to have

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Solved by luffy making a rule that she can't talk about it and has to see it for herself..

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I feel like carrot will return to zunesha after wano

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Whats the chances kaido and black moria had Yamato? SanjiSmoke

static mortar
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wait, why would luffy care?

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he would not care to listen to the diaries cause it'd make a boring adventure for him but why would he stop others from knowing

dusky acorn
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Yamato keeping her mouth shut about the logbook while on the crew seems likely. The Black Maria wife theory is deconfirmed since she's only 29, and Yamato is 28

static mortar
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what wife theory?

dusky acorn
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Whats the chances kaido and black moria had Yamato?

static mortar
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:V i hope for carrot and yamato to both join the crew, there's reason to believe both will join

tired moss
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Didn't realize she was so old, someone has to be the mom?

hazy wing
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I thought big mom was yamato's mom

dusky acorn
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Carrot just doesn't seem to integrated with the Straw Hats during this Wano arc is the big thing against her, she's sort of been taking her own iniative with her separate plot-line

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And other times just blending in with the minks generally now (earlier on in this arc, prior to the war)

static mortar
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but carrot like franky, brook, chopper and others had an arc fighting alongside strawhats already

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it's not a sure thing but her odds are good

tired moss
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Carrot should be able to go back to zunesha content after avenging pedro?

pure raven
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I think kaido is yamato mother

static mortar
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both yamato and carrot look up to people, pedro and oden, that once left their hometown to adventure the world

dusky acorn
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?

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@pure raven Don't meme in this channel

tired moss
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There really aren't many old female characters in one piece to declare a mom for Yamato, like it could be shakki during her time with rocks or sometime after?

pure raven
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It's not meme

static mortar
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wonder if he means kaido laid an egg

pure raven
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It's an a theory

tired moss
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Kaido and shakky were on rocks crew together right? And it sounded like she had a kid at some point

hazy wing
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Who is shaki

tired moss
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Rayleigh wife

pure raven
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Who is shaki?

static mortar
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she would have mentioned it by now if yamato was her daughter

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i mean, big mom

tired moss
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This one

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dusky acorn
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Shakky doesn't fit plainly due to her hair colour I'd say

hazy wing
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Shaki is Rayleigh's wife why would she have kaidous daughter

tired moss
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They were on rocks crew together

pure raven
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I think luffy will gonna defeat kaido with new gear

tired moss
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Shakky and Ray do have the look to fit mihawk way more

lilac mirage
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.

tired moss
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Besides big mom and shakki, I dont know any other old females ZoroGrief

wary sable
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is it important to know tho?

dusky acorn
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It might be a defining point for Yamato's backstory, so maybe

wary sable
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who yamato's mom is

static mortar
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there's the giant female in hajrudin crew

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meh, it's prolly not important

dusky acorn
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I think most thoughts tend to drift towards Yamato's mom being the good parent compared to the 'big bad' Kaido who shackled her up, but that would be too similar to Sora in Sanji's situation

tired moss
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Yamato mom could just be a random oiran that kaido slept with, like orochi and tama mom?

dusky acorn
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But yeah, Yamato's mom being some kind of Wano resident seems likely, especially with how exotic her hair colour is

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And we've seen that sort of thing in Wano citizens all over

tired moss
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Or Yamato was a product of vegapunk experiments while he captured kaido? Does the timing match at all

static mortar
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hm

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are her horns detachable though? What if it's another human race like long arms and long legs

tired moss
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I'm fairly certain Yamato is an oni like her dad

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And lineage factor research could make a offspring possible to create

pure raven
dusky acorn
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Tbh all these horns seem too minor of a variation to be some whole different race anyway

pure raven
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A freak of nature yes but human

tired moss
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Kaido isn't human UrougeFedora

dusky acorn
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Presumably the 3rd unobtained race by Big Mom should be exceedingly rare, similar to King

static mortar
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kaido's followers "wear horns", i don't think yamato is wearing them, she has them

pure raven
tired moss
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The series has referred to kaido as anything but human

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Only luffy thinks this and luffy is an idiot

static mortar
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oh right, if king's race is different maybe he the wife, we dunno the face, right? could be, and yamato gives precedence in males referring to themselves in male pronouns and queen being male and king being female would be a nice mirror

tired moss
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Onigashima skull is a giant oni head with horns just like kaidos, Yamato also has these horns, club and fangs

pure raven
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Whats probably zoan fangs

tired moss
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I think she would have mentioned her DF by now no?

#

She just met the son of her only idol

static mortar
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ah, king does not have horns, i guess i was wrong there

tired moss
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I think she would share this amazing DF ability that could help the fight if she had one

grizzled fog
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When would she do that? She already almost did it against Sasaki, sheā€™s spent the rest of the time protecting momo, when would she use it

tired moss
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Not use it, but make it be known

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To atleast momo

pure raven
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ā€œSo momo i know this is not the time but i can turn into like a cool tiger check itā€

tired moss
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Is there a reason why people think kaido is human and not an oni?

#

What is the supporting evidence for human kaido?

pure raven
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Why do you think heā€™s an oni

tired moss
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There are a lot of supporting points for oni kaido, the folk tale being the major one, besides his club, horns and "beast" title

grizzled fog
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The default assumption should be that heā€™s a human lol, you have to prove heā€™s not human, not the other way around

tired moss
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So you see a Fishman and should assume he's human? They have visibly different traits

grizzled fog
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If I see a character I assume they are human until proven otherwise, unless they very obviously arenā€™t

pure raven
static mortar
#

have oni ever been showed other than the ultra giant kind?

grizzled fog
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Of all the established races in one piece kaido seems to be a human

tired moss
#

What race is the onigashima skull?

#

Big human with horns?

#

The lair of kaido is a big oni skull, literal proof the race existed at some point

pure raven
#

Or

static mortar
#

oars is proof enough

grizzled fog
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Oars is an ancient giant

pure raven
#

Itā€™s a mountain shapes to look like that or a very very old skull of some ancient creature

static mortar
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but he had horns

grizzled fog
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Horns are meaningless

tired moss
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Its an ancient skull of an oni obviously and the descendents are no where near as big NamiGrumpy

static mortar
#

why would horns be meaningless

grizzled fog
#

!horns

lone hedgeBOT
static mortar
#

šŸ˜®

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i missed that sbs then

wary sable
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then maybe kaido just has sorta buck teeth

tired moss
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That command is so stupid, "look guys, oda said dont take every single detail literal" = the trait appearance of characters doesn't mean shit

static mortar
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ye, i think in yamato it measn something, her horns must be a clue of soem kind

ancient vault
#

Its artificially made

tired moss
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Right, I forgot the skull was called humanigashima ZoroGrief

ancient vault
#

its not a real skull dummy

tired moss
#

Says who

static mortar
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i do wonder, if we already at the arc where luffy achieves yonko beating levels what's next

pure raven
grizzled fog
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Heā€™s not at the level where he can take a yonko 1 on 1 ,not even close

static mortar
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well of course, but i'm sure rocks will appear again, and imu, and blackbeard and the second marine headquarters

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these are the 4 only other arcs i can imagine

tired moss
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What're the chances linlin was adopted by humans? Is she just assumed to be a mutated human?

grizzled fog
pure raven
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Linlin was a human just born a freak of nature

static mortar
grizzled fog
#

BegeTired what a terrible way to justify a theory

tired moss
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Rocks is dead and will be used by moria to get revenge on kaido TokOhNo

grizzled fog
#

Rocks was stated to be dead by Sengoku

hazy wing
static mortar
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just saying as big a character as he seem to be i don't think oda will leave it as a mentioned guy

tired moss
pure raven
static mortar
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sengoku lied during marineford as a strategy, i don't believe the guy

tired moss
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Kaido took moria crew from him, moria will use kaido old crew on him WapolTriggered

grizzled fog
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ā€œjust saying as big a character as he seem to be i don't think oda will leave it as a mentioned guyā€ you could apply this to plenty of characters, oden is a perfect one, but heā€™s dead. Youā€™ll get a rocks flashback rest assured

hazy wing
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But isn't Moria killed by bb

static mortar
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ye i imagine there's a chance of a flashback but i do wonder

grizzled fog
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Doubt Moria is dead

static mortar
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rocks was mentioned not far from imu showing up, when "king of the world" basically became an achievable title

tired moss
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Moria is either dead or accepted to work with BB to accomplish like-minded goals, like taking out kaido

pure raven
hazy wing
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He had pretty good df and knowing bb he would want some of his crew to have it

pure raven
tired moss
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Imu is rocks

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Who is BB ZoroGrief

static mortar
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it's a possibility, not a good one though, i also wanna believe imu is 800 years old

hazy wing
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Imu was present in marijoie for a long time he can't be rocks

light pond
tired moss
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Imu and joyboy both come from the moon before the void century happened

hazy wing
#

Yes he is immortal by surgeon fruit power

static mortar
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hahaha, man whatever happens i only hope enel will be back

tired moss
#

Enel is the messenger of the ancestry of the moon

hazy wing
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But why would he wanna come back

static mortar
#

back in the story, maybe mugiwara last island is the moon bwahhahahaha

light pond
hazy wing
#

Na wg is after her for some other secret thingy

static mortar
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hey, no one can reach that island, maybe the red poneglyphs point to the moon shuttle

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oda is a crazy dude, i won't ever put anything past him

tired moss
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They obviously are going to the moon, where else would they go once they reach every horizontal plane location? Either to the sky or to hell

pure raven
tired moss
#

Space pirates are real

static mortar
#

oh ye, i had forgotten about them

tired moss
#

Yes, we already know for a fact that a race in one piece can do space travel

static mortar
#

also those little robots that managed to reach the moon on balloons, i bet they will at some point connect to vegapunk

tired moss
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They strikingly resemble minks as well, someone who the "moon clan" kozuki are very aligned with historically UrougeFedora

static mortar
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when they say vegapunk had thoughts of hundreds of years in the future, maybe he also is part of the history of the world in some way

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but that's stretching it a bit , i guess,

tired moss
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I'm pretty sure vegapunk is the genius that left with imu and joyboy and maybe even designed the ancient weapons?

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Like he's 800+ years old

static mortar
#

goddamnit, we won't have answers for years to come

wary sable
tired moss
#

Something I wonder about is the prophecy that fishlady made about luffy, the destruction hasn't happened yet right?

wary sable
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nope

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maybe it's gonna happen when luffy faces the wg

static mortar
#

i'mma guess luffy destroying fishman island so he can bring them all to thesurfacec

tired moss
#

I think when luffy pushes towards laugh tale and reaches the secrets the WG doesn't want the world to know about (space travel), they might destroy fish island?

static mortar
#

i can't help but think momonosuke will be as big an asset as Shirahoshi

tired moss
#

They're hinting a lot of great things for momo, like becoming as strong as kaido one day, having the voice of all, being the youngest kozuki member and knowing how to make poneglyphs (not sure how this is relevant for the SH)

wary sable
#

didn't enel go to the moon?

tired moss
#

Yeah his ship can go to space

#

One piece already a story with space travel

wary sable
#

lightyears ahead

tired moss
#

The reason why celestial think they are God's and above all other races is because they descendents from space

#

They don't want the rest of the world to know that for some reason

#

Would make them just as mortal as any other race maybe?

#

They somehow justify slavery and thats a strong focus of the WG and celestials

#

If enel finds luffy at some point near laugh tale, do you figure they'd fight again? Why, revenge? He could have gone after luffy already if thats what enel wants but he knows his power match up is futile

#

Is he just going to be there on the moon when the strawhats get there? Final boss enel?

wary sable
#

their big secret could be something like not being the ones to control the world probably

#

if people found out about that then they start to fight against slavery

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enel did create an army there no?

#

seems like he found something better there and i don't think he will be the final boss

ancient vault
# tired moss Says who

The island was totally empty before. It was nothing special and didnt even have a name

tired moss
#

what about the giant sword that was uncovered?

ancient vault
# tired moss what about the giant sword that was uncovered?

Most likely artificially made to honor the legend of Oars I believe since I think Kaido was born in Ringo and possibly upholds the tradition of Ringo to some degree. At least the stuff resolving around death which Kaido is so obsessed with

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When someone dies, the person's katana will be stuck into the ground right where his grave is, that is a tradition in Ringo.
We see all these katanas stuck into graves when Kawamatsu arrives at Ringo.
This tradition is upheld by the fact that they're gifted a Katana at birth which they keep on/with them for the rest of their lives and use it as a grave marker when they die.

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tired moss
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its gigantic though, like 100x bigger than the sunny

#

who could make that sword?

dark palm
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a lot of people

#

at once

ancient vault
#

By "artificially made" I mean its not real and maybe just like a statue which would be easy to make for the legendary carpenter.
But then again it was shown so often, possibly Kaido found it somewhere and took it with him

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And its seriously a real sword which would be pretty insane but cool

tired moss
#

I just can't see a sword that large being moved or created

ancient vault
#

Kaido can move entire islands

tired moss
#

So kaido could just fling luffy/kid/zoro to space if he wanted? he seems ridiculous

#

well if kaido is showing us now that he can move the skull, couldn't he have found it + the sword somewhere and brought them to the empty island? The carpenter could have fleshed it out to be liveable?

ancient vault
#

liveable?

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The carpenter has no idea on how to forge a sword. The carpenter only works for the sword if the "sword" is not a real sword and the sword just looks like one. But its probably real so Kaido must've found it somewhere.

tired moss
#

I mean the skull itself is not made from mountains but is also real and the sword belonged to the skull's owner?

#

appropriate size ratio

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and kaido used the carpenter to make the skull a base of operations?

ancient vault
#

No the skull is made from the mountain. The carpenter chiseled it into a skull

tired moss
#

is that stated somewhere?

ancient vault
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No, but thats the theory.
Its already weird enough why Oda didnt show us Onigashima in the flashback, which I suspect because he didnt wanna show us that Onigashima was just an empty island of rocks and not more. But Kaido gave the carpenter the design to create this huge skull with a mansion in it.

tired moss
#

I think it could very well still have been an empty island, that kaido dropped a skull and sword onto?

ancient vault
#

Ohh you were thinking that. Lol i misunderstood you, mb.
Yes, thats also possible but that skull is easily 10 times bigger than the normal ancient giant. You'd have to explain why the size changed

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I guess sanjuans wolfs df OTamaThink

flint berry
#

My theory:
On rooftop actually there are 2D and 2Y.
Remembering the 3D2Y, that could also mean a D is missing on rooftop. Could be Kid? Or someone else?
I also thought that, if blackbeard comes when kaido or big mom falls, that could be also 3D2Y.

tired moss
#

3 days and 2 years is what 3D2Y means?

flint berry
#

Yup. I also think that oda could use it by 3 will of D 2 yonko

weary cliff
#

I hope not. The 3D was the part that got crossed out. If we're seriously going with it, it portends the supernovas losing

pure raven
cyan berry
#

lmfao

flint berry
#

I joined this a week ago, cant copy that haha

#

I still think thats going to be real, bb coming after Kaido or BM falls

ancient vault
#

lmfao lillahk

amber oar
#

You were discussing the skull in Onigashima?

This is what I think

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pure raven
#

That's outstanding and would put him taller than Mt. Fuji

cyan sand
#

don't think the body is actually there but probably at least half of what's there

amber oar
#

his skull is like 500m of diameter, what do you expect

dark palm
#

The land under onigasbina always seemed unnatural

sand sail
#

That means Kaido just decapitated it

solemn thunder
#

Guys what's the biggest mystery of One Piece? (Other than the One Piece itself lol)

#

I think for me it might be Imu

wild veldt
#

Lots of good ones to choose from Im, the entire void century, joyboy, the shadows at the emd of thriller bark which will actually never be explained and will stay a mystety, top 4 right there

steel needle
#

Zunesha

keen portal
#

the shadows more than the devil fruit origin, and why the water weakness? or why you cant eat more than 2?

wild veldt
#

Zunisha's curse too, that's a good one

#

Devil fruit origins might be another perma mystery

light pond
visual merlin
#

the void century

keen portal
#

lul devil in the df is the magical explanation

light pond
weary cliff
wild veldt
#

Vega will explain how they work but I don't think he'll know the origins

keen portal
#

origins I could pass up on, but I have a feeling we'll know df origins in void century and ancient weapons stuff

#

vega explaining how they work will be a biggie too

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and no there's no devil in one piece. as of yet. dont give me that

light pond
#

Sbs vol 48:

D: Excuse me!! May I pose a serious question to the typically-vulgar SBS?? In Volume 46, Usopp said that the same power doesn't exist twice. But this doesn't make sense with what you said in the Volume 45 SBS... If the Gomu Gomu no Mi was in a book of fruits, then Luffy HAD to have eaten at least the SECOND known example of the fruit! Now, most beautiful and intelligent Ei-chan, explain it all! āœ© P.N. Takafi
O: Very sharp of you. But I'm cool. I haven't made any mistakes. As a hint, let me rephrase what Usopp is saying. "The same powers don't exist twice AT THE SAME TIME". How's that? For more detail, you'll just have to wait for a certain professor to make his appearance in the story, and explain exactly what the Devil Fruits REALLY are... Eventually.

white merlin
#

I'm definitely curious about zunesha and how he can communicate as well as what the will of d truly is

light pond
#

Will of D is probably around the corner now that Law is snooping in the details of it

#

Zunesha's story could probably tie-in with the void century flashback along with joyboy, poseidon and Im

white merlin
#

Let's hope so

light pond
#

The reason why toki jumped to the future too

#

And the big frozen straw hat too

white merlin
#

So many mysteries that need answers lol damnit oda NotLikeMomo

final fossil
#

so... he didnt die after all

#

hope he helps at least

#

cause now he holds a grudge on kaido so whats next oda...

shadow pike
plucky jay
#

Ho do you think the supernova would beat the 2 yonkos ?

fierce prism
#

Vegapunk seems like he's gonna appear sooner or later in a future arc

scenic hornet
nimble fox
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One Piece = OP = Over Powered. The truth of OP is that once you reach it, you are OP and can do whatever you want.

keen portal
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So why couldn't Roger cure his own disease if he was OP after finding one piece

cyan berry
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it also gives you the disease

amber oar
kind gate
amber oar
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Wait for Killer's name to be revealed as Kamazo D. Killer

queen arrow
fringe tide
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So whos going to the roof in the next couple of chapter? I honestly think it will be zoro kid luffy sanji vs kaido while law marco killer drake fight bm. And both group getting buffs from hawkins

mild kite
wild veldt
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We got plenty of scabbards to go around as well as SHs. Plus those 2 can get beat before the rest get to the roof

dusky acorn
# fringe tide So whos going to the roof in the next couple of chapter? I honestly think it wil...

I feel as though Marco is someone who definitely can't go to the roof, as he even basically said it himself before.

I don't really see this talked about, but it feels like there's almost small Marco death flags. Or at least, a moment is brewing for him where he gets mortally injured, maybe even as badly as Ashura.

With such a high note things on the performance floor ended off and even Hyogoro surviving, along with Perospero dreadfully looming over on his back, I think he's up for taking some kind of dire hit, enough to make him out of commission possibly.

mild kite
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What do you guys think on the theory each chapter so far is strawhat -> non-strawhat, in the order opposite of when the strawhats disappeared from sabaody? so far it's holding up

hollow grotto
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How much have people talked about the Ame no Habakiri? ViviThink

sacred hawk
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I'm pretty sure it's gonna get revealed that Perospero could have been a sweet commander, but rejected the job.

hollow grotto
shadow pike
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What were the shadows on Florian Triangle?

mild kite
# hollow grotto can you elaborate on this?

Robin's chapter (1005) --> Hyougoro's chapter (1006) --> Chopper's chapter (1007) --> Ashua Douji's chapter (1008), with their names being the title of their respective chapter. The order the chapters have been going is strawhat --> non-strawhat since chapter 1005. Also, it is coincidentally the opposite order the strawhats disappeared from sabaody. So, next chapter should be Nami's chapter.

dapper mica
mild kite
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A theory i heard from reddit

grizzled fog
dapper mica
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May never be revealed

hollow grotto
mild kite
hollow grotto
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honestly, you're right

livid nymph
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Is luffy gonna awaken his df.

dusky acorn
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The nature of awakening means that it's more of an arbitrary power-up. It's not as though Luffy would even be aware of the kind of specific power it would give him beforehand, right.

In other words, it wouldn't be like when he felt he must advance his haki to match Katakuri's, or Kaido's tough skin currently. Back in these two cases, Luffy knew exactly what he was striving for, and why he needed them.
For awakening though, Luffy doesn't know A. what the qualifications for awakening are, and B. what power it would even give him exactly, or how it would help.

One more thing! The thing about Luffy is, he's already faced multiple awakened users so far, and never felt the need to try getting his own to match them, so I think the chance for it has swung by already.

sacred hawk
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Speaking of awakening, if Perospero used awakening, would he call it "Candyland"?

lusty swift
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Someone's probably asked this before, but what would a Water-Water Devil Fruit ability look like?

cyan berry
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like the human human fruit

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ie, it does nothing on most people

lusty swift
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Because humans are already 75% water?

silent valley
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uh

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or a water logia?
oda wouldnt make it the ability to control water... since fishman can do that already

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basically

lusty swift
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Fair

cyan berry
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every single fruit in the series, even the weird ones like BB and Marco, share a weakness to water

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It would not make sense for there to be a fruit that lets people bypass that weakness

lusty swift
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I think it would be funny if it had the weakness anyway lol

torpid mist
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Imu's real name is Sad Boy

fringe tide
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If a water water fruit did exist id say make it that you can surround yourself with water made from you but the moment you hit the sea you lose power

dusky acorn
# torpid mist Imu's real name is Sad Boy

No reason to believe Imu has any other name apart from the one the Gorosei called him, seeing as they were completely alone and had no point to hide anything. Unless you're meming, in which case I kindly ask you once not to do in this channel.

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But yeah, that's probably the best case if a water fruit would be added. Make the user normally able to control their own water, but any water from any other source would still drain them like any other fruit user

kind gate
livid hornet
fringe tide
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If a storm storm fruit existed would the user be able to control wind, lightning, water,sand(sandstorms), ice(hailstorms) separately or would he only be able to call up combinations (storms)

weak arrow
cyan berry
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no, based on every pre established rule we have, a fish fruit would not let you swim. Even if you touch the water in full fish form, you'd still think like a rock

weak arrow
cyan berry
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its the same concept as a fishman with a devil fruit

fringe tide
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Maybe lets you breathe underwater if you have enough strength to half transform but youd be be a rock in water

cyan berry
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Jack and Vander Decken were not able to swim in the water at all, but they could breathe

fringe tide
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Those two were originally fishmen so thats what let them breathe but i think for a fish fruit youd have to be able to fully transform or partial transform to breathe imo

weak arrow
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yes, you'd have to be in partial or hybrid to do it, yes

drifting aurora
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Which isn't possible because your df powers get deleted/weakened af underwater

wild veldt
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They don't turn off

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We've known this since arlong park

weak arrow
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it's sort of an odd thing where we dont really know the answer. Chopper reverted to his hybrid form when being surrounded by water (which to us readers, is sort of his base form), so it's reasonable to say other zoans might revert back to their original form

drifting aurora
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Fair to assume though that abilities such as breathing underwater would be removed if a fish zoan drowned

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Unless oda says "oh yeah, fish is immune to sea weakness"

fringe tide
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Hmm if someone manages to cuff chopper would he go to his ā€œbrainā€ point or would be become a reindeer? Imagine the surprise face of whoever cuffs chopper

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Thats the thing i dont get with chopper, chopper said he was ostracized even more after he ate his fruit cause he turned into a hybrid plus his blue nose, why couldnā€™t he go back to his base form so he would just be a normal reindeer woth a blue nose

pure raven
drifting aurora
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Breathing underwater is his natural ability, not df ability, so ofc it wouldn't be removed

fierce prism
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Hopefully when we get more information on Devil Fruits, and what makes them devil fruits, we can get more concrete answers on where they came from

compact gate
cyan berry
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the fish fish fruit is still a devil fruit, he cannot touch water without sinking like a hammer. i fail to see why it being a fish would change established rules. its the same case for fishmen with devil fruits

compact gate
amber oar
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Problem is that people immediately associate "fish" with aquatic creature, because no fish has been discovered permanently living in land. But for all purposes Kaido's zoan is a terrestrial/aerial creature that happens to be grouped with fishes

torpid shale
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Was there at any point a discussion about world nobles i could scroll back to?

fringe tide
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If the fish fish fruit grants swimming maybe land swimming like being able to swim in the ground instead of water, ground is like water to them or something

grizzled fog
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So literally Senor Pinkā€™s fruit

fringe tide
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Yeah thats the only way for them to ā€œswimā€ otherwise whats the point of having a nonmythical fish fish fruit

weak arrow
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Hybrid form can still be useful

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like a pufferfish

distant ibex
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shyarly predicted everything that happened so far

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Do you guys think Luffy will destroy fish man island?
If so for what reason?

kind gate
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Prolly destroy that part of the red line if not the entire thing
The celestial dragons live directly up top

distant ibex
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oooh I never thought about that. thanks

silent valley
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its called the "Red Line Destruction Theory"

peak ingot
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law will join the strawhats and his crew will get absorbed into the fleet like whitebeard did to ace

dusky acorn
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I would actually like this, but it simply doesn't fit Law to do so, and is disingenuous to his character. Law has on multiple occasions expressed his pride in being a captain, and hates being told what to do.

2 years ago he told Eustass multiple times how he would obliterate him for giving him orders, and we're now seeing this portrayed again all over the roof whenever Law is ordered around.

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The addition of Kid into the story means Law is only going to be working even harder not to be shown up by him or Luffy, since his addition flares their rivalry up to the limit. So he certainly won't be willingly going under Luffy like that

fringe tide
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What if we already heard what roger and luffy said in the manga, what if they say ā€œim going to be pirate kingā€ and when someone replies with ā€œso youll rule the pirates?ā€ They replied with ā€œi dont want to rule anything being pirate king means being the freest in the seaā€ which is what shocked the people cause ā€œkingsā€ usually rule over people but to those two its just to be freest. It resonated with oden cause he was kept in wano his entire life to one day become ā€œkingā€(shogun) but what he wanted was to be free

ionic peak
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fren, i was thought, rob luchi and fren they are abandoned by the WG for enies lobbies, i thought lucchy gonna be the good guy, but why he still join cp aegis zero btw ?

wind geode
queen arrow
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Lucci just didn't change his views on the world at all

wild veldt
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Lucci loves to kill, and it doesn't matter who his boss is that allows him to kill. In fact, working for the CDs is better because they probably kill people more often

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Sometimes for no reason unlike the gov who had targets for specific reasons

ionic peak
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physco TokOhNo

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btw the thousand marine on enies lobbies should also can make a rebel , since spanda physcoidiotic speech that wanna sacrifices all of them just to kill the pirate , idiotic spanda also join cp0 ya

queen arrow
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yes he is a psycho

ionic peak
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mass murderer bustard Crydo

ionic peak
queen arrow
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sacrificing people for the sake of justice is not something the WG condemns

queen arrow
real stone
ancient vault
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All he said was "PK doesnt sound that bad". Thats not how you react when you achieve your dream

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dapper mica
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The fact that raftel is actually called laugh tale because Roger laughed when he found the one piece probably suggests that it was a sign with something cheesy on it like ā€œThe true treasure is the journey you had to get hereā€ or ā€œThe one piece is the friends you made along the wayā€

amber oar
dapper mica
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Well what would it have to be to make roger burst out laughing

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It just sounds like it would either be cheesy, ironic or ridiculously pathetic

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Does anyone know or have theories on what comes after the Wano arc?

grizzled fog
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Most likely Elbaf, then Laugh tale, then final war is how I see it, maybe a super short Lode Star

dapper mica
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Also have they revealed the location of the fourth red ponegliff or not?

grizzled fog
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Still unknown

dapper mica
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Elbaf seems likely

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In wano, as much as think luffy will take down the emperors Iā€™m skeptical that he can take both kaido and big mom at once, since they are considered the strongest of the emperors. If oda does make it that luffy beats both of them Iā€™d just find it really unrealistic, but Iā€™m not sure how Oda will write it so that only kaido gets beaten and big mom just stops attacking for some reason, unless big mom decides to let them off once for helping her when she lost her memory

grizzled fog
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Well I donā€™t think the current five on the roof will suffice to beat both, Iā€™m sure more and more people will end up helping in the final fight, so itā€™s not as if luffy is gonna be alone, nor is he now

tidal scarab
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Is he ever defeating his opponents alone? Doffy tier +

grizzled fog
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Maybe akainu if he fights him

rocky saffron
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World Government

Bonney has a mysterious connection to the world government that isn't entirely elaborated on. According to Akainu she escaped from the World Government and that he would return her to them. She also appeared to be a part of the Levely under the alias "Dowager Conny". Bonny seemingly resents the celestial dragons for how they are treating Kuma.

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Any theories on bonney?

Like she is a celestial or maybe a slave?

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And BB didnt killed her but let he get captured

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Maybe she had some connections BB knows about

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(Anne boney real person story)

She married a poor sailor and small-time pirate named James Bonny.[12]Ā James hoped to win possession of his father-in-law's estate, but Bonny was disowned by her father. Anne's father did not approve of James Bonny as a husband for his daughter, and he kicked Anne out of their house.[13

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I can see celestial mother/father or relative

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Since oda is clever with names I can see some connection to real counterpart

pastel summit
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oda does references, but he doesn't copy the story.

rocky saffron
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Yea that's why I said some kind of relation and excluded marriage etc

zinc iris
# rocky saffron Any theories on bonney? Like she is a celestial or maybe a slave?

One of my theories is that she is a runaway noble
There's a possibility her bounty was "only alive" as I don't think we ever saw an official rendition of her wanted poster, but it's such a rare thing that other characters should have commented on it I think

When she posed as Conney, queen of the Sorbet Kingdom, her disguise worked because it was noted somewhere (I don't remember where, gonna check) that she did actually looked like the real person, so it's heavily implied there's an actual blood relation with the real Conney

rocky saffron
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TheĀ Sorbet KingdomĀ is a nation in theĀ South Blue[2]Ā that was once ruled by theĀ revolutionary turnedĀ Warlord,Ā Bartholomew Kuma.

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At an unknown point in the past, the kingdom's ruler, Bartholomew Kuma, joined theĀ Revolutionary Army. However, due to unknown events, he ended up leaving the revolutionaries and losing his royal status to become aĀ Warlord of the SeaĀ and a test subject in the Pacifista program, where he was slowly converted into aĀ cyborgĀ byĀ Dr. Vegapunk.

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She has a yet unindentified relationship withĀ Bartholomew KumaĀ as well, and was heartbroken upon witnessing his brutal enslavement atĀ Mary Geoise, proving she is not completely heartles

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(Wiki)

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So she is somewhat related to kuma (maybe not by blood)

pure raven
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Seriously what are these random periods and extra spaces between lines?

rocky saffron
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Its formatting mess

pure raven
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then fix it BrookShrug

rocky saffron
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If I dont separate them they will look wall of text SengokuHmm

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My point is

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Bonney knows Sorbet kingdom and maybe even Kuma

pure raven
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You can hold shift and press enter

To make a line break without those hideous full stops

rocky saffron
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(On phone ZeusShit )

dapper mica
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Found this theory on Reddit, while far fetched it does seem like something Oda might do:

the theory that Raftel is on or is one of the moons (there are 6).
Think about it, how is it possible in all this time someone hasn't just stumbled on Raftel? There have to be a specific set of conditions met to get there.

The strawhats could get to the moon and see the Red line and Grand line making a giant x. X marks the spot. Breaking it turns the ocean into the all blue, earth united in One Piece.

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Also thereā€™s the Usoppā€™s lies are actually prophecies theory:

List of lies that became true:
Usopp was introduced as a character similar to the main character from the story "The boy who cried wolf". His first lie in the series, pirates coming to attack the village, happened in the same arc we were introduced to him.

While telling stories of his brave adventures to Kaya, he mentions a large goldfish whose poop is so big that it becomes an island. At the end of Little Garden arc, we see Dorry and Broggy beat a large goldfish, while mentioning that its poop is so big that it becomes an island.

He spoke to Kaya about a country of dwarves, which was confirmed when we were introduced to the Tontatta.

Mentioned a huge mole to Kaya, later ended up fighting mrs. Merry Christmas in Arabasta.

Spoke of a cerberus in one of his stories - Thriller Bark arc had the Straw Hats meet a cerberus zombie.

Mentioned a dragon in one of his stories - the crew met a dragon in Punk Hazard.

Although a bit more vague, he said that he's an expert sniper, which is true nonetheless of him being Sogeking.

Said that Luffy's 30 million bounty is actually his. Later down the line, Usopp's first bounty ends up being 30 million.

To get the monster trio's attention, Usopp yelled that a beautiful swordswoman is coming carrying meat. This happened with Rebecca in Dressrosa.

Called himself a singing pirate in Skypiea, later on got a catchy theme song as Sogeking.

pure raven
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Can you link it?

patent coral
dapper mica
mossy dock
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I saw that on morj as well

zinc iris
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What I hear anytime I read "Raftel is on the moon"
https://youtu.be/KF32DRg9opA

YouTube
explod2A03
DuckTales Music (NES) - The Moon Theme

Track 8 / 13 (Complete Soundtrack)

DuckTales, Duck Tales (alt)
ć‚ć‚“ć±ććƒ€ćƒƒć‚Æ夢冒é™ŗ (JP)
Wanpaku Duck Yume Bouken (tJP)
Platform: Famicom / Nintendo Entertainment System

Developer / Publisher: Capcom
Composer: Yoshihiro Sakaguchi (aka Yuukichan's Papa)
Year: 1990 (JP + US + EU)

Tracklist:
1 - DuckTales Theme
2 - Land Select
3 - The Amazon
4 - Transylva...

ā–¶ Play video
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However I don't expect at all for the moon to have the final island

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And so I'm scrambling for other reasons we have to get there

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I had this idea where WB threw it on the moon to hide it, and getting to the moon is the Elbaf Arc because the top of Yggdrasil is going to be the closes point from where to launch

ancient vault
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Ahh I got that one pic wait let me get it

zinc iris
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But then there is an obvious weak point in why would WB launch it on the moon

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And I think it could be related to Roger's wish

ancient vault
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I wonder if this will play any role since we got that giant tree

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Are there also like "stages" on elbaf

ancient vault
tired osprey
zinc iris
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I think the strongest man in the world can use his brawn and power to toss an object several miles away

pure raven
shadow pike
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How did Moria survive in the Florian triangle with all of those other ships disappearing by those massive giant shadows?

keen portal
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He didn't bother them, they didn't bother him

wild veldt
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Moria was the reason ships disappeared too

zinc iris
pure raven
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Oh god I thought this was #also-manga. Please ignore that.

zinc iris
supple nimbus
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Could the Ussop hammer be like some far fetched Mjƶlnir reference?

zinc iris
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no but it can be retroactively done so

supple nimbus
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One of the few things I'm certain Oda, might weasel in cause it's too good of a wink to be ignored.

ancient vault
pure raven
kind gate
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was the whole barrel thing a moria trap I don't remember

hidden tinsel
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what if what Luffy and Roger both said, "And then I'll travel the moon"

hidden tinsel
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the devil fruits come from the moon, and the moon has gravitational pull with earth, hence why people sink to the bottom of the ocean

weary cliff
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The moon's gravity pulls the water in the opposite direction that people tend to sink. It's what makes the tides happen.

zinc iris
kind gate
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thank you

tight kelp
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will blackbeard eventually get a zoan fruit as well?

unreal merlin
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imagine he takes marcos

dapper mica
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Or kaidoā€™s

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Then he would have the strongest paramecia, logia and zoan

unreal merlin
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that makes sense

balmy path
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@dapper mica makes sense since Marco can heal from attacks, which would help with double damage side effect from the Dark Fruit

kind gate
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i wouldn't like this cus Oda would have to pull a very stupid power up out of his ass for bb to lose

unreal merlin
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is luffy affected by quake?

cyan sand
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pretty sure it's just pain that's double, and i cant picture blackbeard as a phoenix

grizzled fog
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BB definitely isnā€™t getting the dragon fruit, that would be terrible

balmy path
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Maybe he already has a zoan, isnā€™t there an animal with 3 stomachs? Thatā€™s how he could eat 3 fruits without trouble considering his body is abnormal

kind gate
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Idk if stomachs actually house df

unreal merlin
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he doesnt sleep